April 28, 2019 • 50 mins
In 2006, foster mother Liz Carroll made a plea to the public for the safe return of Marcus Fiesel, the 3-year-old foster care in her care. From the beginning, authorities were suspicious. After an investigation, the police learned that Marcus was murdered by David and Liz Carroll, his foster parents. He was bound with a blanket and tape before being placed inside a closet without any food or water. After he died, the Carrolls tried to cover up their crime. This is part one of a two part true crime story.
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A group of determined law enforcement officials, a hunch that paid off, and
a deal with the suspect. That'sthe recipe prosecutors used to get justice for
Marcus. Ten years ago, JoeDieters knew he had to do something to
get justice for three year old MarcusFisel. I said, come in on
Sunday, Come in tomorrow. Iwant to talk to these detectives tomorrow.
That was August twenty seventh, twothousand and six. Fisel was already missing
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for weeks. Now, the HamiltonCounty Prosecutor is sharing how the most crucial
hours of the search played out.I said to the detectives, when was
the last time anyone outside this familysaw him alive? Until this point,
the search for the autistic toddler wasfocused in and around Julius Park. The
detective said, well, they wentto Kentucky for a family reunion. Fisel's
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foster mom, Liz Carroll, madea public plea for help just five days
earlier, asking that anybody that sawme with my kids, or saw me
or saw Marcus to please content authorities. We suspected her from the very start.
Hamilton County detectives went to Kentucky,to determine if Fisel was there for
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that family reunion, and his teammade a bold move. We served Amy
Baker, who was the living girlfriend, and Liz Carroll simultaneously in two separate
police cars with fourth fourth with subpoenaswhich requires him to come to the grand
jury immediately. Prosecutors believed Baker wouldtalk. I said, ma'am, you
don't know me, but you're goingto go in front that grand jury in
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about five minutes, and if youlie to that grand jury, you're going
to prison. Baker eventually buckled,telling prosecutors and the grand jury Marcus Fisel
wasn't missing. He was dead,she claimed, at the hands of her
roommates and Fisel's foster parents. Theywrapped him in a blanket like a cocoon,
and wrapped him in packing tape andthrew him in a plate pen.
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Then Liz Carroll got her turn totalk, and she was telling that same
kidnapping story that she's been telling forthe last, you know, four weeks.
As she spoke, investigators learned Marcusnever went to Kentucky. Word of
that quickly got to prosecutors, andshe just froze because she knew we knew
now. A grand jury transcript showsCarol said Feisel's death was an accident.
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She told how he was left alonein a closet after he was bound with
tape in a blanket. She alsosaid she was innocent they treating him like
trash. Amy Baker's testimony also leddetectives to Marcus's remains. She said she
drove with Liz Carroll's husband David tothis chimney in Brown County and burned the
boy's body. In exchange, prosecutorsmade her a deal. Sometimes you have
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to agree to do something to getthe truth out. Liz and David Carroll
eventually went to trial for Fisel's murderin Claremont County because Fisel died in their
home there. She rejected a pleadeal. Despite her grand jury testimony in
Hamilton County, it was used asevidence against her. We offered him both
fifteen to life. He let Lizroll the dice for us, and she
lost. Yet it's justice for MarcusFeisel, little boy who was forgotten in
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life, but a boy so manywon't ever forget. Hello, this is
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Mark. Welcome to another episode ofThe Mark Hop. Tonight, I will
be discussing a story about a threeyear old child named Marcus Feisel who is
murdered by his foster parents. Thisis part one of a two part story.
Please be sure to listen to thenext week's episode for the conclusion.
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Please also be sure to review mystory notes for information about my website and
my Patreon link if you would liketo donate to help with expenses associated with
this podcast. What's it like tobe a parent? It's one of the
hardest things you'll ever do, butin exchange, it teaches you the meaning
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of unconditional love. This is afitting quote about parenthood from author Nicholas Sparks.
Well. Many of us bust ourhumps and work two or three jobs
and make sacrifices to support our children. There were always exceptions, and it's
these exceptions that can lead to physicalabuse, mental cruelty, or even murder.
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Have you ever heard of the wordphilicide? The word is Latin for
philias and philia, which means sonand daughter, and the suffix side meaning
to kill, murder, or causeddeath. A study in the journal Forensic
Science International looked at three decades worthof philocide cases between nineteen seventy six and
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two thousand and seven. On average, about five hundred children are murdered annually
by their parents. So here's abreakdown of the study. Almost seventy two
percent of those killed or six yearsold or younger. A third of the
victims were just babies under a yearof age, but more than thirteen percent
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of the victims were adults between agesof eighteen to forty, so the thread
of philocide doesn't go away when peopleget old enough to move out on their
own. Fifty seven point four percentof the killers were fathers, while forty
two point six percent were mothers.This means that a mother is just as
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likely to kill her child it's thefather. Cheryl Meyer, a co author
of several books on the subject,said it's probable that a mother kills a
child somewhere in the US once everythree days. So why do parents kill
their children? Forensic psychiatrist Philip J. Resnick, a pioneer in the study
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of philocide research, identified five majorreasons. One altruism the parent kills a
child because he or she may perceiveit to be in the child's best interest.
It may be reality based. Forinstance, the child suffers from a
terminal illness, or perceive the suicideof the parent, as the parent feels
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it would be unfair to leave thechild behind to face the cruel world.
Two acute psychosis. The parent killsthe child based on ideas that are inconsistent
with reality. For example, theparent believes the child has been possessed by
the devil. Three unwanted child.The parent kills a child that he or
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she regards as a hindrance. Fouraccidental. The child's death is an unintentional
outcome of parental physical abuse. Fivespousal revenge. The parent kills the child
in an effort to exact revenge onthe other parent. Although killing a child
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seems difficult to fathom, it happensmore often than many of us can imagine.
The horrific story and I am aboutto share with you is about a
boy named Marcus Feisel, who wasa three year old foster child who lived
and died in Ohio. His bodywas burned and thrown into the Ohio River
like garbage. He was murdered byLIZI and David Perrell, the foster parents
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who were supposed to love this childas their own. Instead of pretend acting
this helpless youngster. They considered hima burden. If he was too much
to handle, they could have returnedhim to the foster care agency they contracted
with, But then that would bea reduction in foster care payments. Did
they simply keep him for the check. It's not a stretch to make such
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an assumption. Apparently they thought killinghim and covering it up would be easier
than returning him. In this episode, you will hear audio from Amy Baker,
who testified against the Carols for immunity. This is Marcus's story. The
human child is the most helpless formof life. Many insects and animals are
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born with an early ability to survivewithout parental guidance, but a human baby
solely depends on an adult for love, care, and protection. Unfortunately,
children become victims of their own environments. If you don't believe me, take
a look at all the prisons inAmerica. Many of the criminals who lived
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behind these steel bars suffered horrific abuseduring their childhoods. Marcus Feisel as one
of America's countless children who will neverreceive a chance to love Mary, have
friends, or have his own children. Marcus Feisel was born on June twenty
fourth, two thousand and three,in Middletown, Ohio. He lived with
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his mother, Donna Trevino, andhis two siblings, Michael Impeaches. A
neighbor referred to Marcus as an awesomelittle guy who loved flowers and Bob the
Builder. Marcus was autistic and attendeda special school for children with special needs.
He was best described as an activechild, but his mother couldn't handle
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him. A neighbor said it wasn'tunusual to see Trevino reduced to tears trying
to care for Marcus. I thinkit would be a safe assumption to say
that most of us love our children. We would do anything for them.
We feed them, clothe them,and teach them the necessary skills to become
successful adults. It's my belief thatthe best parents teach their children how to
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survive without them. Trevino wasn't equippedto be a mother. Not only did
she have three children she couldn't carefor, she was also a victim of
domestic violence. The police had receivedso many calls to her home that they
were practically house guests. Police alsonoticed the house had a flea infestation in
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the acrid smell of feces. OnSeptember twenty ninth, two thousand and five,
police saw bruising on Visal's left bodock. It was reported that the father
of Trevino's youngest child had spanked VISaland left the bruising. Child Welfare services
had already invested aid reports of abuse, so Trevino was already on their radar.
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In January two thousand and six,Marcus climbed out of his second story
window and fell. Thankfully, hewasn't killed, but he did cut his
chin and required stitches. In Apriltwo thousand and six, Fisl was watering
the streets and nearly struck by acar. It took Marcus nearly getting killed
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by a car to get Trevino torealize that she could not care for her
children. She gave them the ButlerCounty. It was reported that Trevino later
went to court to regain custody oftwo of her children, but she didn't
want Marcus back. She terminated herrights to him. This is further evidence
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that Marcus, at the tender ageof three, was unwanted. So I
asked, what could a child havedone in three years of life to be
so unwanted. If you know,please tell me. During the summer of
two thousand and six, Liz andDavid Carroll were living in a single family
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on Valleywood Drive in Claremont County,Ohio. Also living in the home was
Amy Baker, who was David Carroll'sgirlfriend. Amy Baker also sometimes stayed at
other residences during this time period.The Carroll's were licensed foster parents and daycare
providers. It's also worth noting thatproviding foster care in daycare services was the
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Carroll's sole source of income. Inmy opinion, living in a home with
all these people would send me overthe edge. I wasn't able to find
out any valid reasons for why noone in the house held a job.
The Carrols were licensed by LifeWay forYouth, an agency that placed foster children
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from Butler County, Ohio. TheCarols also provided daycare services for Claremont County,
Ohio, and it was Claremont Countythat paid the Carols to provide daycare
for Amy Baker's three children, whowere often at the Valleywood home. The
Carols had two foster child placements inthe summer of two thousand and six.
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One of these children was three yearold Marcus Feisel, who was placed on
May fifth, two thousand and six, by LifeWay for Youth. During the
vetting process, LifeWay informed the Carolsthat Marcus was a difficult child and that
he should never be left unattended.They also informed the Carols that Marcus had
developmental deficiencies and needed constant supervision.The Carols were further informed that if for
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some reason they needed to be awayfrom Marcus, that respite care was available
to relieve them. The Carols willinglyaccepted Marcus's placement, knowing all of his
challenges. During Marcus's short stay withthe Carrolls, they would sooner realize that
he was more difficult to cope withthan what they had expected. Life Waste
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case workers visited each foster child placementonce a week, and on August third,
two thousand and six, a caseworker visited Liz Carroll and Marcus Feifel.
An investigation into life Way for Youfound that the agency wasn't truthful about
their foster care training process and howoften they checked on the children When it
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came down to it, as aspecial needs child, Marcus needed additional care.
I didn't see anything to support thatthe Carols were even qualified to care
for Marcus. Before you finished listeningto this episode, you will be asking
yourself, who in the hell wouldhave allowed these psychos anywhere near a foster
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child. I wouldn't even trust themto watch a hamster. In their own
words, the Carrolls described themselves asbeing mentally unstable, criminal in a moral
long before the state decided they wouldbe fit foster parents for a helpless child,
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Butler County would unknowingly place this threeyear old boy into a house of
horrors. When Life Wait for Youthplaced Marcus with the Carrols, they did
not know that David Carroll had mentalhealth issues, or that a woman named
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Amy Baker, who is said tobe the Carrol's living girlfriend, lived in
the home. It was later discoveredthat the Carrolls and Baker had some type
of unusual sexual arrangement. Both LizCarroll and David Carroll had sexual relations with
Baker. Between having a living girlfriendand David Carroll's mental issues, this should
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have disqualified them from giving care toMarcus. This lack of insight would be
a fatal mistake for Marcus. InJune two thousand and six, David Carroll
was arrested on a domestic violence charge, although it was dismissed. The Carols
didn't report the arrest to LifeWay forYouth, which was required During the investigation.
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Witnesses said David Carroll did not wantfaisal and could not stand all the
attention that he received from Baker andhis wife. He even temporarily left the
residence because he wasn't sure if hewanted to remain a foster parent. He
eventually moved back home, but whenhe had returned, he had brought Baker
with him. On August twenty second, two thousand and six, Liz Carol
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held a press conference asking for Marcus'ssafe return. She said, I need
help from the public to help myson Marcus. I know people think foster
care is temporary, but please returnedhim to a hospital. Waking up every
morning and not having him run tome is very difficult. I'm closer than
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his birth mother to him. Littledid anyone know at the time, it
was already too late for Marcus.He had already died alone, without any
food, water, or anyone caringabout him. But there were holes in
Carol's story. No one saw Marcusat the park on August the fifteenth.
The police in the public had manydoubts about Liz Carroll's story. Under intense
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scrutiny, the police would crack thecase and learn the truth about what really
happened to Marcus. Often the truthis stranger than fiction. In this case,
the truth was horrific. I obtainedthe following information from a State of
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Ohio versus Liz Carroll. During theweekend of August fourth to the sixth,
two thousand and six, Liz Carrollplanned to take the family herself, her
husband, their children, and AmyBaker to her family reunion and Williamstown,
Kentucky, on August the third.Liz made it clear that she did not
want Marcus to come to the familyreunion. She indicated that Marcus would just
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stay there at the house. Inthe past, the Carrols had left Marcus
at home alone for short periods,wrapped in a blanket and tape while they
ran errands they went to youth sportingevents. Liz Carroll indicated that she was
going to leave Marcus alone over theweekend. During the afternoon of August the
fourth, Amy Baker and Liz Carrollwent shopping in purchased groceries. Around five
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thirty pm, the Carrols, theirfour children, the family dog, and
Amy Baker left for the family reunionin Kentucky. Marcus Feisal did not go
alone. He was left behind alonein a closet at Liz Carroll's suggestion.
Marcus was wrapped in a blanket,secured with duct tape, placed in a
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playpen located on a second floor closet, and abandoned. This was confirmed by
Liz Carroll before a grand jury onAugust twenty eighth, two thousand and six,
where she said, I didn't haveany intentions of hurting him. So
think about this statement. She didn'tmean to hurt him. How evil is
it that she left a three yearold boy in a closet but willingly took
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the family dog. The dog receivedfood and water and returned safely with the
family. It's disturbing to think thata dog would receive more humane treatment than
a three year old boy. Stopand take a moment to think about this.
You have three adults that have noproblem with leaving a child alone in
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a house without any food or water. No one thought, hey, we
cannot do this, this is wrong. If they didn't want to take Marcus
to Kentucky. They could have arrangedfor respite care. This would have provided
Marcus with a caregiver while the familywent to Kentucky. As Liz Carroll got
into the car to leave, sheadvised David and Amy that Marcus was freaking
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out. Of course he was,even at the tender age of three,
he knew something was wrong. Unfortunately, he probably figured out that he was
going to die. That's a lotto take in for a three year old
boy. Imagine the terror in Marcus'sfinal moments of life. A three year
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old, helpless boy with no foodor water trapped in a sweltering closet.
Authorities believe he suffocated a slow andpainful death as the temperatures in the closet
reached between one hundred and five toone hundred and ten degrees. The Carrols
arrived at the reunion Friday evening and, according to a relative, proceeded to
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enjoy themselves. In the early morninghours on Sunday, David Carroll began to
feel bad about Marcus and insisted thatthey returned home. They would arrive home
around six am to find that Marcuswas in the closet dead. Rejecting Amy
Baker's suggestion to call nine one one, the Carrolls chose to get rid of
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the body and conceal Marcus's death.The child's body was burned in the chimney
of a burned down house in BrownCounty, Ohio. David Carroll repeatedly poured
gasoline on Marcus's tiny body. Toaccomplish this, David Carroll and Amy Baker
then drove onto the Maysville Bridge,which connects between Kentucky and Ohio. David
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then threw the bagged up remains intothe Ohio River. August tenth, two
thousand and six, Marcus's social workerarrives at the Carrol home, but is
told he is sick. The socialworker leaves without seeing Marcus. It was
determined the case worker left without goingupstairs to physically check on Marcus's welfare.
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On August the fifteenth, the Carrol'sorchestrated the disappearance of Marcus. Liz Carrol
went to Julius Park and Anderson Townshipwith three of the children, while David
Carroll and Amy Baker took the restof the children to the YMCA across from
the park. Liz then pretended topass out. A Hamilton County dispatcher receives
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a nine one one call reporting awoman unconscious and Julis Park with three small
children nearby. Medical personnel responded.After Liz was revived, she told Hamilton
County Sheriff's Deputy Anthony Gardner that shehad three children with her. Deputy Gardner
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very by that there were three childrenaccounted for, and then he went and
checked her car and he saw threecar seats, so he felt that all
the children were present. Liz Carrollwas immediately taken to Mercy Anderson Hospital.
David Carroll arrived at the park andtold authorities about Marcus, and alert about
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a missing child goes out in AndersonTownship. Hundreds of volunteers arrived to help
search for the missing boy. Theappeal for Marcus's safe return led to a
massive ground search for him. Hundredsof people and search dogs unsuccessfully searched the
area. Even more people searched thesurrounding area. August sixteenth, two thousand
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and six. The search of JulesPark and the surrounding area continues as more
volunteers arrive. Police searched the Carol'shome and removed some items. Liz Carroll
later claimed that she told Deputy Gardnerthat there were four children. She even
tried to blame Gardner for the lossof Marcus. In another document, I
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saw that Carroll had also insisted someonefrom the search group may have lost Marcus.
August seventeenth, two thousand and six. Police bring dive teams, police
dogs, and mounted officers. Theyurge anyone who saw Marcus in the park
to come forward. August eighteenth,two thousand and six. Liz Carroll leaves
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the hospital. August twentieth, twothousand and six. Marcus's siblings, who'd
been placed with other foster parents,are taken away from their foster parents by
Butler County Authorities after their foster fatherreceived a d y in Kentucky while the
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children were in his car. ButlerCounty Authorities launched a review of cases handled
by a LifeWay for Youth, theagency that had recruited and trained the Carrolls
and placed Marcus with them. Augusttwenty first, two thousand and six.
Liz Carroll says her Claremont County daycarecertificate was taken away. August twenty third,
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two thousand and six. Police releasemore photos of Marcus. Claremont,
Hamilton, Butler, and Warren Countiesall hauled placements through LifeWay for Youth and
remove some children from life Way forYouth trained foster parents. August twenty fourth,
two thousand and six, Butler Countyofficials revealed that the case worker who
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supposedly saw Marcus on August tenth wastold the boy was sick and he was
turned away. Authorities confirmed that hedid not see Marcus. August of twenty
fifth, two thousand and six,Hamilton County Sheriff Simon Lees says he doubts
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that Marcus is alive. Ultimately,the couple faced charges in both Claremont and
Hamilton Counties. Baker received immunity inOhio and returned for her testimony. Baker
confessed to helping to dispose of Marcus'sbody in the Ohio River. She wouldn't
serve any time in prison for herrole in the homicide. In their statements,
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the Carrols blamed Amy Baker, thegirlfriend they shared, for killing Marcus.
It was Baker, said David Carroll, who put Marcus in the closet.
Baker had moved into the Carrol's homealong with her three children a few
months after David, who had previouslyleft his wife to live with Baker,
returned home. Liz Carroll said sheagreed to the arrangement because she felt sorry
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for Baker's children. Baker, whoclaimed the Carrols put Marcus in the closet,
received immunity from prosecution for her testimonyagainst the Carrols. August twenty eight,
thousand and six, Liz Carroll andAmy Baker are called in before a
Hamilton County grand jury. Liz andDavid Carroll are each indicted on one count
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of involuntary manslaughter and two counts ofchild endangering. David Carroll also faced one
charge of abuse of a corpse.They are arrested and jailed. Investigators searched
in Brown County for the boys remains. August the twenty ninth, two thousand
and six, additional Hamilton County indictmentswere made against the Carrolls. Both David
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and Liz were charged on one countof making false alarms and one count of
inducing panic. Furthermore, David wascharged with one count of gross abuse of
a corpse. Liz was charged withtwo additional charges of perjury. September.
The first two thousand and six,Clarmont County Prosecutor Don White and Hamilton County
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Prosecutor Joe Dieters helped a joint pressconference where they discussed plans for prosecuting the
defendants. All murder and or homicidecharges were to be prosecuted by Claremont County
since Marcus died inside the Carroll's UnionTownship home, but the attempt to cover
up the crime occurred in Hamilton County, so charges related to inducing panic and
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covering up a homicide would be handledby Hamilton County. September the sixth,
two thousand and six, Claremont CountyGrand Jury indicted David Carroll on eight criminal
counts. The charges against the Carrollsincluded murder one count each, involuntary manslaughter
one count each, kidnapping one counteach, volonious assault, one count each,
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endangering children three counts each. Additionally, David Carroll was also charged with
one count of gross abuse of acorpse. Here's audio from Baker's testimony.
In these clips, Baker testified eyesabout how she lost custody of her children
because of her financial circumstances and forher role in Marcus Faisal's death. She
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also testifies about how she met theCarrols in her relationship with them. Your
next witness, mister Brior, AmyBaker. This witness has been previously sworn
in under a You may proceed,Thank you, honor. Would you stage
your name please, Amy Baker.What's your date of birth, ma'am?
Six two eighty one? All right, you need to speak a little bit
louder, six two eighty one.And where were you born? George shown
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Ohio. Can you tell us yourfather's name, Robert Ramsay and your mother's
name Teresa Chapman. Are your parentsmarried still and could you tell us when
they were divorced around nineteen eighty seven? You were around six years old at
the time. Yes. How fardid you go in school? Amy,
I completed my ninth grade year.I went to the middle of my tenth
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grade. Since you completed And wheredid you go to high school? A
combination with Amelia and Felicity? Andsince you completed the ninth grade there and
halfway through the tenth grade. Haveyou made any attempts to obtain a geed?
Yes? And have you been successfulon that? Do you have any
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sisters? Yes? Four? Andwhat are their first names? Tina,
Bobby, Tanya and Jackie, AndI want to do they all have children?
Yes? And I want to specificallyrefer to Tanya and Jackie and taking
Tanya first, is Tanya have children? Yes? How many too? And
what is the youngest child's first name? Kelly? And how old is Kelly
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today? She's one and a half. And Jackie? Does she have children?
Yes? How many? And whatare their ages? Finley is six
and Keegan as one. Do youhave children, ma'am? Yes? And
what are their names and ages?Taylor, Bran and Corey. Taylor is
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seven and a half, Courtney isfour, and Brian is six. Are
you married? Yes? In yourhusband's name, Brian Baker. When were
you married April twelve of oh oneand you are still married today? Yes?
Have you been separated yes? Forapproximately how long three and a half
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years? Have there been times duringthat three and a half years where their
attempts to reconcile with your husband?Yes? Did you in fact move back
in with your husband on a numberof times during the past four years twice?
But as of today you are stillmarried to him. Yes? Are
your three children? Is he thebiological father of your three children? Yes?
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Do you currently have a physical controlcustody of your children? Who does
children's services? And can you tellus when they were taken from you the
twenty ninth of August of last year, two thousand and six. Yes,
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and could you tell us why?Because I was They said I was homeless
and jobless and I subject my kidsto domestic violence and I knew about the
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disappearance of Marcus. Now when yousay subjected them to domestic violence, where
did that allege domestic violence take place? Had David Los's house? Did it
involve you? How often do yousee your children if it's not a holiday
us every Monday once a week?Yes? Are you working on what it's
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called a reunification plan? Yes?Are you currently working? I was suspended
from my job and why was thatbecause of this case? Okay? And
why did well, I'll sustain thatat this point. Now your your your
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husband, Brian Baker. Where didyou meet him through um, a couple
of friends and then I seen himat Holly Lane's Holly Lane's up outside Amelia.
Yes. And did you get toknow him at Holly Lanes? Yeah?
And did you, for lack ofa better word, fall in love
with him? Out of those experiencesat Holly Lanes Yes, and then ultimately
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had the three children. Yes,while you were married and living together.
Was Brian a willing provider for youand your children? Yes? Well overall
this point, did you work duringthe time that the two of you were
together? Um? I never keptwith jobs. No, I didn't have
to. Were there times when thetwo of you fell on your face financially?
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Yes? And what did you doback to my mom's? Did you
and your children and your husband allmove back in with your mom? Yes?
And you say you were separated inwhen two thousand and three? Now,
when did you first meet Liz andDavid Carroll? Two thousand and five?
When they started babysitting my kids?All right, now, you need
to keep your voice up so thesepeople can hear you. In two thousand
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and five, you know when intwo thousand and five, I'm guessing March.
I'm not one hundred percent sure,So sometime in the first quarter or
so of two thousand and five.Yes, And how did that come about?
I mean, how did did youfind them in the newspaper? How
did you determine that that was yousay, to babysitting your children? How
did that come about. The childcarepeople at Claremont County gave me her name
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because my daughter went to Merwin andI wanted to keep her in Merwin school
district. Were you looking for childcare? Yes? Could you afford to pay
for childcare completely on your own?Now? Is that why you went to
the Department of Jobs and Family Service? Yes? Were you seeking some help
with your childcare expenses? Yes?What were you attempting to do at that
time that you needed childcare? Getmy g D? And how many times
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a week was it necessary for youto employ childcare so that you could do
that two times a week three hoursa day. Now you say your daughter,
Taylor, Yes, was in MerwinElementary. Yes. Did you tell
them the people of Jobs and FamilyServices that you had a what you were
looking for with regard to the locationof the childcare that you were seeking?
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Yes? And what was that thatI wanted her to be in. I
wanted to find someone in Merwin's schooldistricts. I didn't have to change my
daughter's schools. Okay, So youwanted childcare somewhere where in the area where
she was going to school? Yes? And what did they tell you in
that regard thank you me Liza's name. I gave you Liza's name. Were
you notified or informed or was thereany representations made to that the Carrolls were,
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in fact, at least Liz Carrollsin fact, a certified daycare provider.
Yes. Did you go meet withLiz Carroll at that time? Yes?
And where was she living at thirtyeight twenty two Bennette Road. Is
that here in Clarmont County? Yes? And what did you find when you
went to meet liz happy home?Did it seem as though that would be
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a place where your children would besafe and secure while you were out doing
what you needed to do. Yes? Had you ever met Liz Carroll before?
So that spring of two thousand andfive was the first time you had
ever seen her? Yes. Withregard to David Carroll, when's the first
time you noticed either him or apicture of him or anything to indicate he
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lived there in the home. Thefirst time I went there, I recognize
I knew him from somewhere in afamily photo, but I couldn't put my
finger on it. I didn't knowwhere. Okay, So you saw a
family photo at Liz's house, hewas in it, and you had some
vague recollection that you knew him fromsome previous experience. Yes, ultimately,
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did you figure out who he was? Yes? Until these people? How
that happened? Me and my sisterwent there to either pick up my kids
or drop them off? And couldyou tell me which sister that was?
Tanya? All right? So youand Tan you go to the Carroll house,
all right, go ahead? Andum, I think that she says
something about knowing him or he sayssomething about him. Well, this is
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not being a received for the truthof the content, but only to explain
the subsequent actions of this witness,and for another purpose LEAs, thank you,
thank you, Go ahead. MEither she Tanya or Dave Reck they
recognized each other, and he'd saidfrom Holly Lanez and U And then that's
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how I remembered him from being fromHolly Lanez when I was like fifteen or
sixteen, or knew him as DaveC. I didn't know him as Dave
Carroll. I just kne him asDave C. Did he work up there
at Holly Lanes? No? Didhe hang around up there at Holly Lanes?
Yes? And he was known atHolly Lanes. Is Dave C.
Yes, and you recognized him afterhe and Tan you talked that that's who
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that person in the picture was.Yes. Now did there come a time
when he began to be around thathome there on Bennett Road more so than
he had been? Yes? Andwhat was that was that he didn't work
anymore, so he was there everytime I dropped off my kids and picked
him up. Were you leaving allthree of your children there? Yes?
And how many days a week?Did it start two days? And did
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it expand to be more than twodays? Yes? And what did it
go to up to, like fourto six days? Because I took a
job, and I didn't work everyday at the cleaners, because I had
to take off either Tuesday or Thursdaybecause I still try to get my ged,
but I had to work one ofthose days. So she would have
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a short day on either Tuesday orThursday where I would only go to get
my ged and the other days Iwould go to work. Okay, from
I would drop him off at fivethirty and pick him up around four thirty
or five five thirty in the morning. You would drop them off, yes,
and pick them up at four orfive in the afternoon. Yes,
Now you say the cleaners during thistime there while they the children were being
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watched on Bennett Road. Where didyou work at the Appearance plus Cleaners?
All right? In any place else? I had a second job at a
country and as a waitress. Butshe didn't watch my kids for that,
okay, So she was just watchingyour kids while you were at g D
and Appearance plus Cleaners. Yes?Did you subsequently take a job somewhere else?
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Yes? And where was that atSalem Wood's nursing home? All right?
And did there come a time whenyou're two dollars per month co pay
changed? Yes? And tell themabout that place. It changed from two
dollars to one hundred and eighty threedollars per month. Yes, so it
went up one hundred and eighty fivedollars per month. One up one hundred
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and eighty one dollars a month permonth? Yes? And why was that?
Because I was I from my Ibelieve that they cannot change your copey
for six months regardless. Well,um, I'm gonna a rule as to
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our understanding every receipt for that purpose. So on that point, um,
well, I understand that it was. It's that every six months they can
only change your cope every six months, even if you get a better job
with more money. So they changemy copey approximately six months later. Yeah,
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they change your cope. At thattime, I was working that Salem
Woods, which made my copae onehundred and eighty three dollars. Okay,
so they reevaluated your needs. Yeah, and then change the cope right now.
Did you ultimately work out some formof deal with Liz regarding that cope?
Yes? And what was that thatif someone else watches my kids um
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one or two days a week,I didn't have to pay a cope.
And by someone else watching your kids, who did you meet my mom or
my sisters? Okay? And whatwould Liz do that? I would just
sign am in and out when theywasn't there, and then she would just
turn it in so she could rephraseyour question. Yes, sir, did
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Liz tell you what she would doin lieu of your cope? Yes?
And what did she tell you thatshe wouldn't have me pay a coupe if
someone else watched my kids for meone or two days out of the month
or once a week, to whereit would equal up to where the coupe
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was being paid for. Basically,and did she tell you she would go
ahead and bill yes, for thosedays even though she was not watching.
Yes, And you in fact signedthat sheets indicating your kids were there when
they were not there? Right?And you knew that was wrong? Yes?
Did this during this time period throughouttwo thousand and five? Was this
pretty much the legitimate babysitting relationship?Right? Did you believe Liz was a
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daycare provider? Yes? Did thetwo of you get along well? Yes?
You did you and Liz become friends? Yes? Did was David around
the house a lot at the end? Yes? Did you consider him to
be a friend? Yes? Nowdo you recall did you know where Dave
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was working when you first began totake your kids there? Yeah? I
remember he was on a business trip. Whenever I first met was U and
she she had told me that hewas in Las Vegas for a Renais center.
Okay, some kind of a conventionor something. And did he come
to tell you, you know,information he made obvious he was working at
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renaissenter. Yeah. And do yourecall, if you do, how long
after you began to have your childrenbabysat there that he terminated that job within
a couple of weeks, not onehundred percent sure how long it was.
And did he began to be aroundthe house there on Road much more frequently
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after that employment relationship ended? Yes? Did there come a time the Carrol's
began to provide certified daycare? AndMike, I assume it would have been
Liz Carroll began to provide certified daycarefor your sister's children. Yes, which
children, Kelly, Keegan, andFinlay. So that would be Keegan and
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Finlay who were Jackie's children. Andyou indicated they were one and six.
They're one and six now, sothey were fairly young at that time.
Yeah, five and eight months orsomething. And Kelly, who was now
one and a half, so itwould have been just under one at the
time. Now directing your attention tothe time period on Bennett Road, and
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I will if I were to tellyou, well strike that the time period
on Bennett Road, did Dave beginto make comments to you which were,
for lack of a better word,ambiguous. To understand what I mean by
that, Ladies and gentlemen, Theanswer to this question is not to be
received as to whether it's true ornot, but only to explain the subsequent
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actions of this witness and for noother purpose. Under eight or one,
you may proceed. Did Dave beginto make comments to you which, in
a sense ambiguously we're suggestive? Yes? And could you give us examples the
type of comments you're talking about?Do you want to stay all night?
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Just sexual comments like I would,asking me like if I wanted to be
with him and Liz? And didyou take those seriously? No? And
nothing, at least at that point, nothing grew out of them. Were
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they the kind of comments that,you know, if you had stepped up
and called him on it, theycould have been sloughed off as innocent?
Yeah? I did. I didn'tnecessarily call them on, but I just
laughed it off, like you're you'recrazy, you're lying in And then I
guess he'd didn't he didn't think likehe knew that I wouldn't do that,
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like I didn't want to do thatstuff, and so he just blew it
off all right. Now going aheadto December of two thousand and five,
Well, first of all, inOctober of two thousand and five that the
Carol's moved from Bennett Road, Yes, and where did they move to Valleywood?
To Valleywood Yes. Now, isValleywood here in Claremont County? Yes,
in the state of Ohio. Yes. I want to show you what's
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been March States Exhibit thirty two,which has been admitted your honor, and
I'll ask you, can you identifythat that's the Valleywood House, That's the
Valleywood Home, and that's the homethat the Carol's moved into sometime in October
of two thousand and five. Yes, and where the carroll is still providing
daycare for your children when they movedto the avocation. Yes. Did they
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provide daycare for your children very muchlong after that? No? And you
recall when you stop using them fordaycare services the end of December of two
thousand and five. Were your kidsever back in that home for babysitting services
or to live there? In otherwords, I'm not talking about a casual
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visit or a visit between friends.I'm not sure there were any of those.
But we're your children ever back inthat home on Valleywood prior to July
of two thousand and six. No. Now, moving ahead to January of
two thousand and six, you wereno longer employing Liz Carroll as a babysity
consider providing daycare. Did you havean opportunity to get together with them in
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kind of a birthday situation? Yes? I want you to tell these people
about That is my son and mydaughter's birthday, and I had a birthday
party at the skating rink for them, and I invited David Liz. Okay,
Now, that'd be the skating rinkup in Union Township off two seventy
five, the beach Mont roll Arena, okay. Is that behind that wrong
tans Chinese restaurant place? Okay?And you had a party there for two
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of your children, yes, andyou invited David Liz. Yes, they
had much con I'm sorry, andtheir children and their children, and you
had much contact with David Liz sinceDecember when you stopped providing using the daycare.
Did they come yes? Was therea discussion at that birthday party about
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the three of you getting together shortlythereafter? M is the three of us
and my two sisters, Tanya andJackie okay, who we're also? We're
Tany and Jackie still using the Carrolsfor babysitting services. Tanya had not been
using her yet. Okay. Howabout Jackie yes, okay, And what
was the nature of the discussion?Then we should all come skating without the
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kids so we could have fun.And where were you going to do that?
They're at Beach mont Roll Arena.And do you know what was that
set up? Was their plans made? Yes? And when did that avice?
Shortly after? I don't know theexact date. Was it sometime in
Lake January or early February of earlyFebruary, early February? And did everyone
all agree to go? Yes?Who all went? Me and Tanya and
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Jackie, David Liz Now at theskating rink? Were their actions by the
defendant, Liz Carroll, which beganto see he began to cause you to
see her in a different light?Yes? And could you explain? Thus
she grabbed my butt and come upbehind me on the skating floor and like
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bounced up against me. It actuallymade me fall, okay. And when
you bounced up against you, whatpart of her body would run into you?
Her troops in her private area.After Marcus's death, there was a
major investigation into Butler County officials inLife Way for Youth who had placed Marcus
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with the Carrols. Both agencies saidThey had no idea that Carroll's were unfit
foster parents, as they appeared suitable. They referred to a glowing reference about
their parenting skills from Amy Baker andscreening the couple LifeWay in Butler County missed
that David Carroll was bipolar and thathe had gotten two other women pregnant.
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The women were sisters. This occurredwhen Liz was expecting her and David's first
child. None of this would behappening if I wasn't so greedy with my
sexual needs, David Carroll told CincinnatiInquired reporters from his jail cell. The
investigation also questioned why Marcus's caseworker didn'tcheck on him on that last visit for
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Marcus's death. After this, Carrolltold him that Marcus was asleep. The
worker didn't confirm that Marcus was evenin the house, but then by that
time, Marcus was already dead.The worker also didn't question why there were
other children in the home. Asa case worker, you have to be
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vigilant and question everything. The workerwasn't charged with any crimes. This will
conclude part one of Marcus Faisal's story. Be sure to listen in next week
for the conclusion, I will havemore audio in details about this horrific crime.
A group of determined law enforcement officials, a hunch that paid off, and
a deal with the suspect. That'sthe recipe prosecutors used to get justice for
Marcus. Ten years ago, JoeDieters knew he had to do something to
get justice for three year old MarcusFisel. I said, come in on
Sunday, Come in tomorrow. Iwant to talk to these detectives tomorrow.
That was August twenty seventh, twothousand and six. Fisel was already missing
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for weeks. Now, the HamiltonCounty Prosecutor is sharing how the most crucial
hours of the search played out.I said to the detectives, when was
the last time anyone outside this familysaw him alive? Until this point,
the search for the autistic toddler wasfocused in and around Julius Park. The
detective said, well, they wentto Kentucky for a family reunion. Fisel's
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foster mom, Liz Carroll, madea public plea for help just five days
earlier, asking that anybody that sawme with my kids, or saw me
or saw Marcus to please content authorities. We suspected her from the very start.
Hamilton County detectives went to Kentucky,to determine if Fisel was there for
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that family reunion, and his teammade a bold move. We served Amy
Baker, who was the living girlfriend, and Liz Carroll simultaneously in two separate
police cars with fourth fourth with subpoenaswhich requires him to come to the grand
jury immediately. Prosecutors believed Baker wouldtalk. I said, ma'am, you
don't know me, but you're goingto go in front that grand jury in
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about five minutes, and if youlie to that grand jury, you're going
to prison. Baker eventually buckled,telling prosecutors and the grand jury Marcus Fisel
wasn't missing. He was dead,she claimed, at the hands of her
roommates and Fisel's foster parents. Theywrapped him in a blanket like a cocoon,
and wrapped him in packing tape andthrew him in a plate pen.
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Then Liz Carroll got her turn totalk, and she was telling that same
kidnapping story that she's been telling forthe last, you know, four weeks.
As she spoke, investigators learned Marcusnever went to Kentucky. Word of
that quickly got to prosecutors, andshe just froze because she knew we knew
now. A grand jury transcript showsCarol said Feisel's death was an accident.
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She told how he was left alonein a closet after he was bound with
tape in a blanket. She alsosaid she was innocent they treating him like
trash. Amy Baker's testimony also leddetectives to Marcus's remains. She said she
drove with Liz Carroll's husband David tothis chimney in Brown County and burned the
boy's body. In exchange, prosecutorsmade her a deal. Sometimes you have
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to agree to do something to getthe truth out. Liz and David Carroll
eventually went to trial for Fisel's murderin Claremont County because Fisel died in their
home there. She rejected a pleadeal. Despite her grand jury testimony in
Hamilton County, it was used asevidence against her. We offered him both
fifteen to life. He let Lizroll the dice for us, and she
lost. Yet it's justice for MarcusFeisel, little boy who was forgotten in
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life, but a boy so manywon't ever forget. Hello, this is
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Mark. Welcome to another episode ofThe Mark Hop. Tonight, I will
be discussing a story about a threeyear old child named Marcus Feisel who is
murdered by his foster parents. Thisis part one of a two part story.
Please be sure to listen to thenext week's episode for the conclusion.
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Please also be sure to review mystory notes for information about my website and
my Patreon link if you would liketo donate to help with expenses associated with
this podcast. What's it like tobe a parent? It's one of the
hardest things you'll ever do, butin exchange, it teaches you the meaning
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of unconditional love. This is afitting quote about parenthood from author Nicholas Sparks.
Well. Many of us bust ourhumps and work two or three jobs
and make sacrifices to support our children. There were always exceptions, and it's
these exceptions that can lead to physicalabuse, mental cruelty, or even murder.
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Have you ever heard of the wordphilicide? The word is Latin for
philias and philia, which means sonand daughter, and the suffix side meaning
to kill, murder, or causeddeath. A study in the journal Forensic
Science International looked at three decades worthof philocide cases between nineteen seventy six and
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two thousand and seven. On average, about five hundred children are murdered annually
by their parents. So here's abreakdown of the study. Almost seventy two
percent of those killed or six yearsold or younger. A third of the
victims were just babies under a yearof age, but more than thirteen percent
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of the victims were adults between agesof eighteen to forty, so the thread
of philocide doesn't go away when peopleget old enough to move out on their
own. Fifty seven point four percentof the killers were fathers, while forty
two point six percent were mothers.This means that a mother is just as
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likely to kill her child it's thefather. Cheryl Meyer, a co author
of several books on the subject,said it's probable that a mother kills a
child somewhere in the US once everythree days. So why do parents kill
their children? Forensic psychiatrist Philip J. Resnick, a pioneer in the study
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of philocide research, identified five majorreasons. One altruism the parent kills a
child because he or she may perceiveit to be in the child's best interest.
It may be reality based. Forinstance, the child suffers from a
terminal illness, or perceive the suicideof the parent, as the parent feels
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it would be unfair to leave thechild behind to face the cruel world.
Two acute psychosis. The parent killsthe child based on ideas that are inconsistent
with reality. For example, theparent believes the child has been possessed by
the devil. Three unwanted child.The parent kills a child that he or
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she regards as a hindrance. Fouraccidental. The child's death is an unintentional
outcome of parental physical abuse. Fivespousal revenge. The parent kills the child
in an effort to exact revenge onthe other parent. Although killing a child
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seems difficult to fathom, it happensmore often than many of us can imagine.
The horrific story and I am aboutto share with you is about a
boy named Marcus Feisel, who wasa three year old foster child who lived
and died in Ohio. His bodywas burned and thrown into the Ohio River
like garbage. He was murdered byLIZI and David Perrell, the foster parents
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who were supposed to love this childas their own. Instead of pretend acting
this helpless youngster. They considered hima burden. If he was too much
to handle, they could have returnedhim to the foster care agency they contracted
with, But then that would bea reduction in foster care payments. Did
they simply keep him for the check. It's not a stretch to make such
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an assumption. Apparently they thought killinghim and covering it up would be easier
than returning him. In this episode, you will hear audio from Amy Baker,
who testified against the Carols for immunity. This is Marcus's story. The
human child is the most helpless formof life. Many insects and animals are
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born with an early ability to survivewithout parental guidance, but a human baby
solely depends on an adult for love, care, and protection. Unfortunately,
children become victims of their own environments. If you don't believe me, take
a look at all the prisons inAmerica. Many of the criminals who lived
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behind these steel bars suffered horrific abuseduring their childhoods. Marcus Feisel as one
of America's countless children who will neverreceive a chance to love Mary, have
friends, or have his own children. Marcus Feisel was born on June twenty
fourth, two thousand and three,in Middletown, Ohio. He lived with
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his mother, Donna Trevino, andhis two siblings, Michael Impeaches. A
neighbor referred to Marcus as an awesomelittle guy who loved flowers and Bob the
Builder. Marcus was autistic and attendeda special school for children with special needs.
He was best described as an activechild, but his mother couldn't handle
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him. A neighbor said it wasn'tunusual to see Trevino reduced to tears trying
to care for Marcus. I thinkit would be a safe assumption to say
that most of us love our children. We would do anything for them.
We feed them, clothe them,and teach them the necessary skills to become
successful adults. It's my belief thatthe best parents teach their children how to
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survive without them. Trevino wasn't equippedto be a mother. Not only did
she have three children she couldn't carefor, she was also a victim of
domestic violence. The police had receivedso many calls to her home that they
were practically house guests. Police alsonoticed the house had a flea infestation in
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the acrid smell of feces. OnSeptember twenty ninth, two thousand and five,
police saw bruising on Visal's left bodock. It was reported that the father
of Trevino's youngest child had spanked VISaland left the bruising. Child Welfare services
had already invested aid reports of abuse, so Trevino was already on their radar.
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In January two thousand and six,Marcus climbed out of his second story
window and fell. Thankfully, hewasn't killed, but he did cut his
chin and required stitches. In Apriltwo thousand and six, Fisl was watering
the streets and nearly struck by acar. It took Marcus nearly getting killed
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by a car to get Trevino torealize that she could not care for her
children. She gave them the ButlerCounty. It was reported that Trevino later
went to court to regain custody oftwo of her children, but she didn't
want Marcus back. She terminated herrights to him. This is further evidence
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that Marcus, at the tender ageof three, was unwanted. So I
asked, what could a child havedone in three years of life to be
so unwanted. If you know,please tell me. During the summer of
two thousand and six, Liz andDavid Carroll were living in a single family
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on Valleywood Drive in Claremont County,Ohio. Also living in the home was
Amy Baker, who was David Carroll'sgirlfriend. Amy Baker also sometimes stayed at
other residences during this time period.The Carroll's were licensed foster parents and daycare
providers. It's also worth noting thatproviding foster care in daycare services was the
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Carroll's sole source of income. Inmy opinion, living in a home with
all these people would send me overthe edge. I wasn't able to find
out any valid reasons for why noone in the house held a job.
The Carrols were licensed by LifeWay forYouth, an agency that placed foster children
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from Butler County, Ohio. TheCarols also provided daycare services for Claremont County,
Ohio, and it was Claremont Countythat paid the Carols to provide daycare
for Amy Baker's three children, whowere often at the Valleywood home. The
Carols had two foster child placements inthe summer of two thousand and six.
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One of these children was three yearold Marcus Feisel, who was placed on
May fifth, two thousand and six, by LifeWay for Youth. During the
vetting process, LifeWay informed the Carolsthat Marcus was a difficult child and that
he should never be left unattended.They also informed the Carols that Marcus had
developmental deficiencies and needed constant supervision.The Carols were further informed that if for
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some reason they needed to be awayfrom Marcus, that respite care was available
to relieve them. The Carols willinglyaccepted Marcus's placement, knowing all of his
challenges. During Marcus's short stay withthe Carrolls, they would sooner realize that
he was more difficult to cope withthan what they had expected. Life Waste
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case workers visited each foster child placementonce a week, and on August third,
two thousand and six, a caseworker visited Liz Carroll and Marcus Feifel.
An investigation into life Way for Youfound that the agency wasn't truthful about
their foster care training process and howoften they checked on the children When it
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came down to it, as aspecial needs child, Marcus needed additional care.
I didn't see anything to support thatthe Carols were even qualified to care
for Marcus. Before you finished listeningto this episode, you will be asking
yourself, who in the hell wouldhave allowed these psychos anywhere near a foster
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child. I wouldn't even trust themto watch a hamster. In their own
words, the Carrolls described themselves asbeing mentally unstable, criminal in a moral
long before the state decided they wouldbe fit foster parents for a helpless child,
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Butler County would unknowingly place this threeyear old boy into a house of
horrors. When Life Wait for Youthplaced Marcus with the Carrols, they did
not know that David Carroll had mentalhealth issues, or that a woman named
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Amy Baker, who is said tobe the Carrol's living girlfriend, lived in
the home. It was later discoveredthat the Carrolls and Baker had some type
of unusual sexual arrangement. Both LizCarroll and David Carroll had sexual relations with
Baker. Between having a living girlfriendand David Carroll's mental issues, this should
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have disqualified them from giving care toMarcus. This lack of insight would be
a fatal mistake for Marcus. InJune two thousand and six, David Carroll
was arrested on a domestic violence charge, although it was dismissed. The Carols
didn't report the arrest to LifeWay forYouth, which was required During the investigation.
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Witnesses said David Carroll did not wantfaisal and could not stand all the
attention that he received from Baker andhis wife. He even temporarily left the
residence because he wasn't sure if hewanted to remain a foster parent. He
eventually moved back home, but whenhe had returned, he had brought Baker
with him. On August twenty second, two thousand and six, Liz Carol
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held a press conference asking for Marcus'ssafe return. She said, I need
help from the public to help myson Marcus. I know people think foster
care is temporary, but please returnedhim to a hospital. Waking up every
morning and not having him run tome is very difficult. I'm closer than
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his birth mother to him. Littledid anyone know at the time, it
was already too late for Marcus.He had already died alone, without any
food, water, or anyone caringabout him. But there were holes in
Carol's story. No one saw Marcusat the park on August the fifteenth.
The police in the public had manydoubts about Liz Carroll's story. Under intense
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scrutiny, the police would crack thecase and learn the truth about what really
happened to Marcus. Often the truthis stranger than fiction. In this case,
the truth was horrific. I obtainedthe following information from a State of
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Ohio versus Liz Carroll. During theweekend of August fourth to the sixth,
two thousand and six, Liz Carrollplanned to take the family herself, her
husband, their children, and AmyBaker to her family reunion and Williamstown,
Kentucky, on August the third.Liz made it clear that she did not
want Marcus to come to the familyreunion. She indicated that Marcus would just
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stay there at the house. Inthe past, the Carrols had left Marcus
at home alone for short periods,wrapped in a blanket and tape while they
ran errands they went to youth sportingevents. Liz Carroll indicated that she was
going to leave Marcus alone over theweekend. During the afternoon of August the
fourth, Amy Baker and Liz Carrollwent shopping in purchased groceries. Around five
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thirty pm, the Carrols, theirfour children, the family dog, and
Amy Baker left for the family reunionin Kentucky. Marcus Feisal did not go
alone. He was left behind alonein a closet at Liz Carroll's suggestion.
Marcus was wrapped in a blanket,secured with duct tape, placed in a
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playpen located on a second floor closet, and abandoned. This was confirmed by
Liz Carroll before a grand jury onAugust twenty eighth, two thousand and six,
where she said, I didn't haveany intentions of hurting him. So
think about this statement. She didn'tmean to hurt him. How evil is
it that she left a three yearold boy in a closet but willingly took
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the family dog. The dog receivedfood and water and returned safely with the
family. It's disturbing to think thata dog would receive more humane treatment than
a three year old boy. Stopand take a moment to think about this.
You have three adults that have noproblem with leaving a child alone in
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a house without any food or water. No one thought, hey, we
cannot do this, this is wrong. If they didn't want to take Marcus
to Kentucky. They could have arrangedfor respite care. This would have provided
Marcus with a caregiver while the familywent to Kentucky. As Liz Carroll got
into the car to leave, sheadvised David and Amy that Marcus was freaking
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out. Of course he was,even at the tender age of three,
he knew something was wrong. Unfortunately, he probably figured out that he was
going to die. That's a lotto take in for a three year old
boy. Imagine the terror in Marcus'sfinal moments of life. A three year
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old, helpless boy with no foodor water trapped in a sweltering closet.
Authorities believe he suffocated a slow andpainful death as the temperatures in the closet
reached between one hundred and five toone hundred and ten degrees. The Carrols
arrived at the reunion Friday evening and, according to a relative, proceeded to
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enjoy themselves. In the early morninghours on Sunday, David Carroll began to
feel bad about Marcus and insisted thatthey returned home. They would arrive home
around six am to find that Marcuswas in the closet dead. Rejecting Amy
Baker's suggestion to call nine one one, the Carrolls chose to get rid of
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the body and conceal Marcus's death.The child's body was burned in the chimney
of a burned down house in BrownCounty, Ohio. David Carroll repeatedly poured
gasoline on Marcus's tiny body. Toaccomplish this, David Carroll and Amy Baker
then drove onto the Maysville Bridge,which connects between Kentucky and Ohio. David
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then threw the bagged up remains intothe Ohio River. August tenth, two
thousand and six, Marcus's social workerarrives at the Carrol home, but is
told he is sick. The socialworker leaves without seeing Marcus. It was
determined the case worker left without goingupstairs to physically check on Marcus's welfare.
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On August the fifteenth, the Carrol'sorchestrated the disappearance of Marcus. Liz Carrol
went to Julius Park and Anderson Townshipwith three of the children, while David
Carroll and Amy Baker took the restof the children to the YMCA across from
the park. Liz then pretended topass out. A Hamilton County dispatcher receives
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a nine one one call reporting awoman unconscious and Julis Park with three small
children nearby. Medical personnel responded.After Liz was revived, she told Hamilton
County Sheriff's Deputy Anthony Gardner that shehad three children with her. Deputy Gardner
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very by that there were three childrenaccounted for, and then he went and
checked her car and he saw threecar seats, so he felt that all
the children were present. Liz Carrollwas immediately taken to Mercy Anderson Hospital.
David Carroll arrived at the park andtold authorities about Marcus, and alert about
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a missing child goes out in AndersonTownship. Hundreds of volunteers arrived to help
search for the missing boy. Theappeal for Marcus's safe return led to a
massive ground search for him. Hundredsof people and search dogs unsuccessfully searched the
area. Even more people searched thesurrounding area. August sixteenth, two thousand
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and six. The search of JulesPark and the surrounding area continues as more
volunteers arrive. Police searched the Carol'shome and removed some items. Liz Carroll
later claimed that she told Deputy Gardnerthat there were four children. She even
tried to blame Gardner for the lossof Marcus. In another document, I
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saw that Carroll had also insisted someonefrom the search group may have lost Marcus.
August seventeenth, two thousand and six. Police bring dive teams, police
dogs, and mounted officers. Theyurge anyone who saw Marcus in the park
to come forward. August eighteenth,two thousand and six. Liz Carroll leaves
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the hospital. August twentieth, twothousand and six. Marcus's siblings, who'd
been placed with other foster parents,are taken away from their foster parents by
Butler County Authorities after their foster fatherreceived a d y in Kentucky while the
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children were in his car. ButlerCounty Authorities launched a review of cases handled
by a LifeWay for Youth, theagency that had recruited and trained the Carrolls
and placed Marcus with them. Augusttwenty first, two thousand and six.
Liz Carroll says her Claremont County daycarecertificate was taken away. August twenty third,
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two thousand and six. Police releasemore photos of Marcus. Claremont,
Hamilton, Butler, and Warren Countiesall hauled placements through LifeWay for Youth and
remove some children from life Way forYouth trained foster parents. August twenty fourth,
two thousand and six, Butler Countyofficials revealed that the case worker who
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supposedly saw Marcus on August tenth wastold the boy was sick and he was
turned away. Authorities confirmed that hedid not see Marcus. August of twenty
fifth, two thousand and six,Hamilton County Sheriff Simon Lees says he doubts
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that Marcus is alive. Ultimately,the couple faced charges in both Claremont and
Hamilton Counties. Baker received immunity inOhio and returned for her testimony. Baker
confessed to helping to dispose of Marcus'sbody in the Ohio River. She wouldn't
serve any time in prison for herrole in the homicide. In their statements,
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the Carrols blamed Amy Baker, thegirlfriend they shared, for killing Marcus.
It was Baker, said David Carroll, who put Marcus in the closet.
Baker had moved into the Carrol's homealong with her three children a few
months after David, who had previouslyleft his wife to live with Baker,
returned home. Liz Carroll said sheagreed to the arrangement because she felt sorry
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for Baker's children. Baker, whoclaimed the Carrols put Marcus in the closet,
received immunity from prosecution for her testimonyagainst the Carrols. August twenty eight,
thousand and six, Liz Carroll andAmy Baker are called in before a
Hamilton County grand jury. Liz andDavid Carroll are each indicted on one count
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of involuntary manslaughter and two counts ofchild endangering. David Carroll also faced one
charge of abuse of a corpse.They are arrested and jailed. Investigators searched
in Brown County for the boys remains. August the twenty ninth, two thousand
and six, additional Hamilton County indictmentswere made against the Carrolls. Both David
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and Liz were charged on one countof making false alarms and one count of
inducing panic. Furthermore, David wascharged with one count of gross abuse of
a corpse. Liz was charged withtwo additional charges of perjury. September.
The first two thousand and six,Clarmont County Prosecutor Don White and Hamilton County
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Prosecutor Joe Dieters helped a joint pressconference where they discussed plans for prosecuting the
defendants. All murder and or homicidecharges were to be prosecuted by Claremont County
since Marcus died inside the Carroll's UnionTownship home, but the attempt to cover
up the crime occurred in Hamilton County, so charges related to inducing panic and
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covering up a homicide would be handledby Hamilton County. September the sixth,
two thousand and six, Claremont CountyGrand Jury indicted David Carroll on eight criminal
counts. The charges against the Carrollsincluded murder one count each, involuntary manslaughter
one count each, kidnapping one counteach, volonious assault, one count each,
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endangering children three counts each. Additionally, David Carroll was also charged with
one count of gross abuse of acorpse. Here's audio from Baker's testimony.
In these clips, Baker testified eyesabout how she lost custody of her children
because of her financial circumstances and forher role in Marcus Faisal's death. She
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also testifies about how she met theCarrols in her relationship with them. Your
next witness, mister Brior, AmyBaker. This witness has been previously sworn
in under a You may proceed,Thank you, honor. Would you stage
your name please, Amy Baker.What's your date of birth, ma'am?
Six two eighty one? All right, you need to speak a little bit
louder, six two eighty one.And where were you born? George shown
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Ohio. Can you tell us yourfather's name, Robert Ramsay and your mother's
name Teresa Chapman. Are your parentsmarried still and could you tell us when
they were divorced around nineteen eighty seven? You were around six years old at
the time. Yes. How fardid you go in school? Amy,
I completed my ninth grade year.I went to the middle of my tenth
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grade. Since you completed And wheredid you go to high school? A
combination with Amelia and Felicity? Andsince you completed the ninth grade there and
halfway through the tenth grade. Haveyou made any attempts to obtain a geed?
Yes? And have you been successfulon that? Do you have any
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sisters? Yes? Four? Andwhat are their first names? Tina,
Bobby, Tanya and Jackie, AndI want to do they all have children?
Yes? And I want to specificallyrefer to Tanya and Jackie and taking
Tanya first, is Tanya have children? Yes? How many too? And
what is the youngest child's first name? Kelly? And how old is Kelly
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today? She's one and a half. And Jackie? Does she have children?
Yes? How many? And whatare their ages? Finley is six
and Keegan as one. Do youhave children, ma'am? Yes? And
what are their names and ages?Taylor, Bran and Corey. Taylor is
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seven and a half, Courtney isfour, and Brian is six. Are
you married? Yes? In yourhusband's name, Brian Baker. When were
you married April twelve of oh oneand you are still married today? Yes?
Have you been separated yes? Forapproximately how long three and a half
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years? Have there been times duringthat three and a half years where their
attempts to reconcile with your husband?Yes? Did you in fact move back
in with your husband on a numberof times during the past four years twice?
But as of today you are stillmarried to him. Yes? Are
your three children? Is he thebiological father of your three children? Yes?
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Do you currently have a physical controlcustody of your children? Who does
children's services? And can you tellus when they were taken from you the
twenty ninth of August of last year, two thousand and six. Yes,
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and could you tell us why?Because I was They said I was homeless
and jobless and I subject my kidsto domestic violence and I knew about the
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disappearance of Marcus. Now when yousay subjected them to domestic violence, where
did that allege domestic violence take place? Had David Los's house? Did it
involve you? How often do yousee your children if it's not a holiday
us every Monday once a week?Yes? Are you working on what it's
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called a reunification plan? Yes?Are you currently working? I was suspended
from my job and why was thatbecause of this case? Okay? And
why did well, I'll sustain thatat this point. Now your your your
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husband, Brian Baker. Where didyou meet him through um, a couple
of friends and then I seen himat Holly Lane's Holly Lane's up outside Amelia.
Yes. And did you get toknow him at Holly Lanes? Yeah?
And did you, for lack ofa better word, fall in love
with him? Out of those experiencesat Holly Lanes Yes, and then ultimately
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had the three children. Yes,while you were married and living together.
Was Brian a willing provider for youand your children? Yes? Well overall
this point, did you work duringthe time that the two of you were
together? Um? I never keptwith jobs. No, I didn't have
to. Were there times when thetwo of you fell on your face financially?
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Yes? And what did you doback to my mom's? Did you
and your children and your husband allmove back in with your mom? Yes?
And you say you were separated inwhen two thousand and three? Now,
when did you first meet Liz andDavid Carroll? Two thousand and five?
When they started babysitting my kids?All right, now, you need
to keep your voice up so thesepeople can hear you. In two thousand
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and five, you know when intwo thousand and five, I'm guessing March.
I'm not one hundred percent sure,So sometime in the first quarter or
so of two thousand and five.Yes, And how did that come about?
I mean, how did did youfind them in the newspaper? How
did you determine that that was yousay, to babysitting your children? How
did that come about. The childcarepeople at Claremont County gave me her name
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because my daughter went to Merwin andI wanted to keep her in Merwin school
district. Were you looking for childcare? Yes? Could you afford to pay
for childcare completely on your own?Now? Is that why you went to
the Department of Jobs and Family Service? Yes? Were you seeking some help
with your childcare expenses? Yes?What were you attempting to do at that
time that you needed childcare? Getmy g D? And how many times
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a week was it necessary for youto employ childcare so that you could do
that two times a week three hoursa day. Now you say your daughter,
Taylor, Yes, was in MerwinElementary. Yes. Did you tell
them the people of Jobs and FamilyServices that you had a what you were
looking for with regard to the locationof the childcare that you were seeking?
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Yes? And what was that thatI wanted her to be in. I
wanted to find someone in Merwin's schooldistricts. I didn't have to change my
daughter's schools. Okay, So youwanted childcare somewhere where in the area where
she was going to school? Yes? And what did they tell you in
that regard thank you me Liza's name. I gave you Liza's name. Were
you notified or informed or was thereany representations made to that the Carrolls were,
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in fact, at least Liz Carrollsin fact, a certified daycare provider.
Yes. Did you go meet withLiz Carroll at that time? Yes?
And where was she living at thirtyeight twenty two Bennette Road. Is
that here in Clarmont County? Yes? And what did you find when you
went to meet liz happy home?Did it seem as though that would be
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a place where your children would besafe and secure while you were out doing
what you needed to do. Yes? Had you ever met Liz Carroll before?
So that spring of two thousand andfive was the first time you had
ever seen her? Yes. Withregard to David Carroll, when's the first
time you noticed either him or apicture of him or anything to indicate he
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lived there in the home. Thefirst time I went there, I recognize
I knew him from somewhere in afamily photo, but I couldn't put my
finger on it. I didn't knowwhere. Okay, So you saw a
family photo at Liz's house, hewas in it, and you had some
vague recollection that you knew him fromsome previous experience. Yes, ultimately,
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did you figure out who he was? Yes? Until these people? How
that happened? Me and my sisterwent there to either pick up my kids
or drop them off? And couldyou tell me which sister that was?
Tanya? All right? So youand Tan you go to the Carroll house,
all right, go ahead? Andum, I think that she says
something about knowing him or he sayssomething about him. Well, this is
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not being a received for the truthof the content, but only to explain
the subsequent actions of this witness,and for another purpose LEAs, thank you,
thank you, Go ahead. MEither she Tanya or Dave Reck they
recognized each other, and he'd saidfrom Holly Lanez and U And then that's
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how I remembered him from being fromHolly Lanez when I was like fifteen or
sixteen, or knew him as DaveC. I didn't know him as Dave
Carroll. I just kne him asDave C. Did he work up there
at Holly Lanes? No? Didhe hang around up there at Holly Lanes?
Yes? And he was known atHolly Lanes. Is Dave C.
Yes, and you recognized him afterhe and Tan you talked that that's who
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that person in the picture was.Yes. Now did there come a time
when he began to be around thathome there on Bennett Road more so than
he had been? Yes? Andwhat was that was that he didn't work
anymore, so he was there everytime I dropped off my kids and picked
him up. Were you leaving allthree of your children there? Yes?
And how many days a week?Did it start two days? And did
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it expand to be more than twodays? Yes? And what did it
go to up to, like fourto six days? Because I took a
job, and I didn't work everyday at the cleaners, because I had
to take off either Tuesday or Thursdaybecause I still try to get my ged,
but I had to work one ofthose days. So she would have
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a short day on either Tuesday orThursday where I would only go to get
my ged and the other days Iwould go to work. Okay, from
I would drop him off at fivethirty and pick him up around four thirty
or five five thirty in the morning. You would drop them off, yes,
and pick them up at four orfive in the afternoon. Yes,
Now you say the cleaners during thistime there while they the children were being
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watched on Bennett Road. Where didyou work at the Appearance plus Cleaners?
All right? In any place else? I had a second job at a
country and as a waitress. Butshe didn't watch my kids for that,
okay, So she was just watchingyour kids while you were at g D
and Appearance plus Cleaners. Yes?Did you subsequently take a job somewhere else?
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Yes? And where was that atSalem Wood's nursing home? All right?
And did there come a time whenyou're two dollars per month co pay
changed? Yes? And tell themabout that place. It changed from two
dollars to one hundred and eighty threedollars per month. Yes, so it
went up one hundred and eighty fivedollars per month. One up one hundred
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and eighty one dollars a month permonth? Yes? And why was that?
Because I was I from my Ibelieve that they cannot change your copey
for six months regardless. Well,um, I'm gonna a rule as to
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our understanding every receipt for that purpose. So on that point, um,
well, I understand that it was. It's that every six months they can
only change your cope every six months, even if you get a better job
with more money. So they changemy copey approximately six months later. Yeah,
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they change your cope. At thattime, I was working that Salem
Woods, which made my copae onehundred and eighty three dollars. Okay,
so they reevaluated your needs. Yeah, and then change the cope right now.
Did you ultimately work out some formof deal with Liz regarding that cope?
Yes? And what was that thatif someone else watches my kids um
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one or two days a week,I didn't have to pay a cope.
And by someone else watching your kids, who did you meet my mom or
my sisters? Okay? And whatwould Liz do that? I would just
sign am in and out when theywasn't there, and then she would just
turn it in so she could rephraseyour question. Yes, sir, did
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Liz tell you what she would doin lieu of your cope? Yes?
And what did she tell you thatshe wouldn't have me pay a coupe if
someone else watched my kids for meone or two days out of the month
or once a week, to whereit would equal up to where the coupe
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was being paid for. Basically,and did she tell you she would go
ahead and bill yes, for thosedays even though she was not watching.
Yes, And you in fact signedthat sheets indicating your kids were there when
they were not there? Right?And you knew that was wrong? Yes?
Did this during this time period throughouttwo thousand and five? Was this
pretty much the legitimate babysitting relationship?Right? Did you believe Liz was a
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daycare provider? Yes? Did thetwo of you get along well? Yes?
You did you and Liz become friends? Yes? Did was David around
the house a lot at the end? Yes? Did you consider him to
be a friend? Yes? Nowdo you recall did you know where Dave
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was working when you first began totake your kids there? Yeah? I
remember he was on a business trip. Whenever I first met was U and
she she had told me that hewas in Las Vegas for a Renais center.
Okay, some kind of a conventionor something. And did he come
to tell you, you know,information he made obvious he was working at
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renaissenter. Yeah. And do yourecall, if you do, how long
after you began to have your childrenbabysat there that he terminated that job within
a couple of weeks, not onehundred percent sure how long it was.
And did he began to be aroundthe house there on Road much more frequently
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after that employment relationship ended? Yes? Did there come a time the Carrol's
began to provide certified daycare? AndMike, I assume it would have been
Liz Carroll began to provide certified daycarefor your sister's children. Yes, which
children, Kelly, Keegan, andFinlay. So that would be Keegan and
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Finlay who were Jackie's children. Andyou indicated they were one and six.
They're one and six now, sothey were fairly young at that time.
Yeah, five and eight months orsomething. And Kelly, who was now
one and a half, so itwould have been just under one at the
time. Now directing your attention tothe time period on Bennett Road, and
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I will if I were to tellyou, well strike that the time period
on Bennett Road, did Dave beginto make comments to you which were,
for lack of a better word,ambiguous. To understand what I mean by
that, Ladies and gentlemen, Theanswer to this question is not to be
received as to whether it's true ornot, but only to explain the subsequent
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actions of this witness and for noother purpose. Under eight or one,
you may proceed. Did Dave beginto make comments to you which, in
a sense ambiguously we're suggestive? Yes? And could you give us examples the
type of comments you're talking about?Do you want to stay all night?
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Just sexual comments like I would,asking me like if I wanted to be
with him and Liz? And didyou take those seriously? No? And
nothing, at least at that point, nothing grew out of them. Were
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they the kind of comments that,you know, if you had stepped up
and called him on it, theycould have been sloughed off as innocent?
Yeah? I did. I didn'tnecessarily call them on, but I just
laughed it off, like you're you'recrazy, you're lying in And then I
guess he'd didn't he didn't think likehe knew that I wouldn't do that,
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like I didn't want to do thatstuff, and so he just blew it
off all right. Now going aheadto December of two thousand and five,
Well, first of all, inOctober of two thousand and five that the
Carol's moved from Bennett Road, Yes, and where did they move to Valleywood?
To Valleywood Yes. Now, isValleywood here in Claremont County? Yes,
in the state of Ohio. Yes. I want to show you what's
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been March States Exhibit thirty two,which has been admitted your honor, and
I'll ask you, can you identifythat that's the Valleywood House, That's the
Valleywood Home, and that's the homethat the Carol's moved into sometime in October
of two thousand and five. Yes, and where the carroll is still providing
daycare for your children when they movedto the avocation. Yes. Did they
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provide daycare for your children very muchlong after that? No? And you
recall when you stop using them fordaycare services the end of December of two
thousand and five. Were your kidsever back in that home for babysitting services
or to live there? In otherwords, I'm not talking about a casual
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visit or a visit between friends.I'm not sure there were any of those.
But we're your children ever back inthat home on Valleywood prior to July
of two thousand and six. No. Now, moving ahead to January of
two thousand and six, you wereno longer employing Liz Carroll as a babysity
consider providing daycare. Did you havean opportunity to get together with them in
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kind of a birthday situation? Yes? I want you to tell these people
about That is my son and mydaughter's birthday, and I had a birthday
party at the skating rink for them, and I invited David Liz. Okay,
Now, that'd be the skating rinkup in Union Township off two seventy
five, the beach Mont roll Arena, okay. Is that behind that wrong
tans Chinese restaurant place? Okay?And you had a party there for two
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of your children, yes, andyou invited David Liz. Yes, they
had much con I'm sorry, andtheir children and their children, and you
had much contact with David Liz sinceDecember when you stopped providing using the daycare.
Did they come yes? Was therea discussion at that birthday party about
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the three of you getting together shortlythereafter? M is the three of us
and my two sisters, Tanya andJackie okay, who we're also? We're
Tany and Jackie still using the Carrolsfor babysitting services. Tanya had not been
using her yet. Okay. Howabout Jackie yes, okay, And what
was the nature of the discussion?Then we should all come skating without the
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kids so we could have fun.And where were you going to do that?
They're at Beach mont Roll Arena.And do you know what was that
set up? Was their plans made? Yes? And when did that avice?
Shortly after? I don't know theexact date. Was it sometime in
Lake January or early February of earlyFebruary, early February? And did everyone
all agree to go? Yes?Who all went? Me and Tanya and
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Jackie, David Liz Now at theskating rink? Were their actions by the
defendant, Liz Carroll, which beganto see he began to cause you to
see her in a different light?Yes? And could you explain? Thus
she grabbed my butt and come upbehind me on the skating floor and like
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bounced up against me. It actuallymade me fall, okay. And when
you bounced up against you, whatpart of her body would run into you?
Her troops in her private area.After Marcus's death, there was a
major investigation into Butler County officials inLife Way for Youth who had placed Marcus
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with the Carrols. Both agencies saidThey had no idea that Carroll's were unfit
foster parents, as they appeared suitable. They referred to a glowing reference about
their parenting skills from Amy Baker andscreening the couple LifeWay in Butler County missed
that David Carroll was bipolar and thathe had gotten two other women pregnant.
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The women were sisters. This occurredwhen Liz was expecting her and David's first
child. None of this would behappening if I wasn't so greedy with my
sexual needs, David Carroll told CincinnatiInquired reporters from his jail cell. The
investigation also questioned why Marcus's caseworker didn'tcheck on him on that last visit for
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Marcus's death. After this, Carrolltold him that Marcus was asleep. The
worker didn't confirm that Marcus was evenin the house, but then by that
time, Marcus was already dead.The worker also didn't question why there were
other children in the home. Asa case worker, you have to be
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vigilant and question everything. The workerwasn't charged with any crimes. This will
conclude part one of Marcus Faisal's story. Be sure to listen in next week
for the conclusion, I will havemore audio in details about this horrific crime.
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