Episode 20: The murder of 3-year-old foster child Marcus Fiesel (part 2 of 2)

In 2006, foster mother Liz Carroll made a plea to the public for the safe return of Marcus Fiesel, the 3-year-old foster care in her care. From the beginning, authorities were suspicious. After an investigation, the police learned that Marcus was murdered by David and Liz Carroll, his foster parents. He was bound with a blanket and tape before being placed inside a closet without any food or water. After he died, the Carrolls tried to cover up their crime. This is part two of a two part true crime story. This episode has audio from killers Liz and David Carroll.

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Episode Transcript

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I'm asking that anybody that saw mewith my kids, or saw me or
saw Marcus to please contact authorities.Welcome to another episode of the Markam.

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This is Mark. I hope thatyou're all having a great evening. Last
week was part one of the MarcusFaisal story. It's considered one of Cincinnati's
most horrific murders of a foster child. At the time, I've worked in
social services for Hamilton County. Joband Family Services are you to secure out

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of home care contracts with various agenciesthroughout Ohio. Our mission was to find
a safe home for abused children.One of my contracts was with a facility
called LifeWay for Youth and it wasthis agency that placed Marcus Fisel with the
Carols. It wasn't our county thathad placed him, but we did have

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children place in foster care through lifeWay. After conducting an investigation of LifeWay
Hamilton County children, we were eventuallyremoved from LifeWay's care and placed in other
homes. Since then, Marcus's casehas led to reforms and foster care practices.
Although there is no perfect system,the goal is for various counties to

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work with license agencies to protect thewelfare of our ice people. In the
case of Marcus fisl, he wasfailed by so many people. I think
that it all started with his mother. She couldn't care for him and would
eventually give up her parental rights afterdeciding that she couldn't care for him anymore.

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Had he not died, you'd beturning sixteen this year. Think about
that in being sixteen, and thinkabout what you were doing when you were
sixteen. Most sixteen year olds you'rehanging out with their friends, learning to
drive, getting their first jobs,and just enjoying the life. That's what

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I did, and that's probably whatyou did. I sometimes wonder how Marcus
would have turned out had he hadnot been murdered thirteen years ago, But
then I guess it's a mood pointis we will never know. If you
haven't listened to the first episode,you may want to go back and listen

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to it before this one. Afterlosing David Carrol while rested killing Marcus Faisal

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in August two thousand and six,this Carol went the trial. Her husband
David had accepted a pre deal andhe's serving a sixteen year at a life
sentence, which means people likely comeup for parole in a few years.
This Carol was offered the same deal, but she rejected it. She decided

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to take her chances in court.It would turn out to be the second
worst mistake of her life. Herfirst one was leaving a three year old
boy in a hot closet without anyfood or water. On February twelfth,
two thousand and seven, Liz Carroll'strial began. She was represented by Attorning

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Gregory A. Cohen. To getan idea of the events that transpired about
Marcus's murder, I will provide statementsmade from Amy Baker, the prosecutor's star
witness. The following is from theCincinnati Acquirer. Amy Baker exudes anything but

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girlish innocence. The mother three hadgained a tadary reputation as tough, talking,
aren't drinking, and brazen, avixen who steals other women's husbands,
engages in kiki, sexual trists,and threatens people to get her way.
She is bold, say, She'sbeen known to pull her shirt off and

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throw it down like a gauntlet fora fist fight. One sperm wife was
so sick of her meddling in hermarriage that she has to judge to keep
Baker away from her and her twoyoung children. Two years of trouble with
Baker had escalated, and Baker wasdriving by their home, throwing things at
the windows and kicking our door.The woman said, it's getting worse now

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that she's seen my husband, thewoman said. In court records, Baker
told police that Lives and David Carroll, the couple she lived and slept with,
had left their three year old fosterson, Marcus, in a closet
to die while the Carrolls and Bakerattended a family reading in Kentucky for two
days. The boy was dead whenthey returned August sixth. Baker was with

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David Carroll when he burned the developmentallydelayed child's buying in an abandoned himney in
Royal Brown, cat Ohio. Manypeople wondered why Baker wasn't charged as an
accessory, but according to the prosecutors, they needed Baker to make their case
against the Carrols. Carol relatives calledit a deal with the devil. Between

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the Carrol's and Baker. There wasa lot of fingerpointing. Liz and David
Carroll both blamed Baker for killing Marcus. They said Marcus was dead August the
fourth, before they left for theirreunion, and that Liz Carroll wasn't home
when it happened. David Carroll saidBaker bound the boy in blankets and strapping

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tape and put him in a closetso that he and Baker could have sex
while his wife was gone. TheCarrol's both said that Baker threatened to hurt
their children and their families if theytold authorities. She's devious, David Carroll
said, But Baker had said thatshe told the truth about everything everybody to
ruin my credibility, so David Lizcan walk out of here, walk free

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and kill me. Is that whatpeople want? Baker said. The right
people know how Marcus died and whowas responsible, and it wasn't her.
Added Baker, she also wants toknow why nothing good has ever reported about
her on television and in the newspapers. She's tired of people trashing her name.

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I didn't save no whales or anything, Baker said. But I don't
want people thinking I'm some kind ofa monster and all I do is sleep
with married men. Baker said,a relationship with the Carrols wasn't as twisted
as it sounds. She hadn't metthem in two thousand and five, when
the Claremont County Department of Job andFamily Services referred to Liz Carroll to her

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as a babysitter. She had laterlied to help the Carrols become foster parents
by telling officials that LifeWay for Youththat she had known the Carols for five
years and she had at them ina morning league. According to the state
investigation in a Marcus's death, heraffair with David Carroll began early last year

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after he separated from his wife.She said she and David Carroll lived with
his mother, Debbie Houndshell, forabout two months. Debbie Hounshell said she
didn't care for Baker because she refusedto get a job, and David Carroll
returned home to his wife, LizCarroll, he brought Baker along. Baker

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said she was in love with DavidCarroll. It wasn't some three way live
in slept thing, Baker said ofthe sleeping arrangements at the Carroll's valley Wood
drive house. David Carroll would sayotherwise, she was our living girlfriend,
he said, regarding Marcus. Bakersaid she never interacted with him. She

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had also said that David Carroll wasmean to Marcus and never had anything to
do with him. She had witnessedhim abuse Marcus. She said he tripped
Marcus when he walked by or puthim in a cold bath. Baker said
that she saw Marcus taped up beforethe weekend of August the fourth, but

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didn't know how many times or anyspecific dates. According to Baker, no
one really ever did anything with Marcus. He mostly stayed in his room.
He loved everyone. It wasn't justLiz. He ran up to everybody.
Baker said that she didn't see theCarol's rating Marcus up before the family reunion.

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She also said she didn't help DallasMarcus with gasoline or burn his body,
but she did say that Carrol hadgone back to the fire three times.
The next day, Baker says shereturned to the chimney. She never
looked into the pillowcases that David Carrollhad brought back from the chimney. She
said they then went to her father'shouse put them into garbage bags. Baker

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tied the bags because David Carroll didn'twant his prince to be found. Because
he had been arrested before his princewere on file. Baker said that she
was driving as David Carroll through Marcus'sremains into the Ohio River. Baker said

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that David Carroll was wearing the glovesand through the trash bags into the river.
She said he couldn't tie the bagswith gloves on, so he had
her time there. But You're askedBaker what she never called the police when
she had previously seen Marcus found byDavid Carroll, simply answered, oh no.

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So if I'm in someone's house andthey wrapped their child in a blank
in tape, my first instinct wouldbe to notify the authorities. So I
cannot fathom how Baker could see thisand think it was okay. I mean,
she has her own children. Bakeralso said that she was never personally

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involved in binding Marcus and she neverbeat him, but she described the morning
they discovered Marcus was dead. Afterreturning home from the family of reunion on
Sunday, David Carroll ran up thesteps and went into the house and screamed,
came out and he was pale.He whispered, Marcus is dead.

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Baker said that she and Liz Carrolllan into the house and found Marcus's dead
body. His feet were chapped andblood it dripped from his nose. His
little body was hard. He wasin a fetal position and lying on his
side. Baker said that she wantedto call nine one one, but David

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Carroll wouldn't let her because rinter mortishad set in and authorities would know he
had been dead for a while.Baker said the Carroll's discussed having Marcus go
missing. David Carroll suggested burning thebody because if there was no body,
they couldn't trace it back to them. Baker told David Carroll about the abandoned

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chimney and Brown County. Baker andDavid Carroll then went to Brown County to
burn the body while Liz Carroll weremade with the children. David Carroll took
a blanket and put Marcus's body ina box and covered him with clothing.
Baker said they then stopped at aconvenience store and bought three gas cans full
of gas. After getting the gas, they got matches and went to the

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chimney. Baker said David Carroll tookthe box out of the car and placed
it in the chimney, poured gasonto the box and set it on fire.
Baker then said she went to herfather's house. David Carroll got to
two by four so he could keepthe fire going, went back to the

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chimney and added more ghastline to thefire. Baker said they then went home
and told Liz what they had done. The Carrol's in play Marcus's Disappearance.
He went to a Bengals game,but David Carroll worried about all the cameras.
They also thought about staging it atKing's Island in Ohio Amusement Park.

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On August tenth, Baker said thatshe and David Carroll took the older children
and went to get a check fromLive Away for Youth for taking care of
Marcus. Baker said in the weekafter Marcus's death, no one slept upstairs.
They all slept downstairs. Perhaps itwas a guilty conscience. He gave

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the play band of friends and boughtanother one. Baker said the Carrol's also
had a yard sale and then weeksbefore the stage disappearance at Jules Park in
Henderson Township. She also testified thatLiz Carroll didn't want to bring Marcus to
her family reunion because Marcus had abruise on his neck that happened when David

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Carroll had left him in a carseat overnight, and her aunt would be
suspicious in the bruise. Achieved thechildren from being suspicious about Marcus's disappearance.

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Said the Carrolls took a Teddy bearplaced it in Marcus's bed, or they
would tell the children that Marcus wasat school or visiting his mother. On
August the fifteenth, the day ofmarcus a stage disappearance, Aker said that
she knew Lizz Carroll was going tofake passing out at the park. She

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said David Carroll looked at her andsaid, she's doing it now. Aker
said she went to her mother's forthe rest of the day and then went
to stay with her sister Tina.She was first contacted by the police on
Wednesday, August the sixteenth, andshe wrote out a statement for them.
She admitted the lyne to the police. She never told him Marcus was already

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dead. She didn't see the policeagain until August twenty fifth, when they
visited her mother's home and said thatthey wanted a tape statement. The police
would again return on Monday, Augusttwenty eighth, when she went before the
grand jury. She testified about heraffair with David Carroll and how it began.
From February until June, she sawhim daily. She also moved into

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his mother's house with Carroll. Forabout a month last spring, Carol went
to Liz Carroll's home every day andhelped her with the children because he wasn't
paying child support. Baker called LosCarroll and told her about her affair with
David. According to Baker, LizCarroll wasn't upset and even asked her to
move into their home. David didn'twant to lose Amy, and Liz wanted

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David to be happy. Liz toldAmy that other women had previously lived in
the house with them. Baker describedwhat happened on the weekend of August the
fourth to the sixth, when ProsecutorSaint Marcus died. She didn't want to
go to the Kentucky reunion. Originallyshe wanted to stay at the Carroll's home
and get her stuff out and reunitewith her husband. Brian. Baker said

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that she and David Carol cleaned uppoop which Marcus has smeared over the room.
She said they cleaned the room asbest as they could. Carol's never
talked about taking Marcus on the reunion, Baker said. She said that Liz
Carol wanted to wrap up Marcus likethey had before. Baker said that she

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had seen Marcus trust up like thatbefore, but she never called the police.
They'd leave him in the house alonewhile they went out to run errands
or a ten football practice or cheerleading. Baker said that neither she nor David
Carroll objected to blinding Marcus. Otherchildren in the Carroll family saw Marcus wrapped

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up. Under questioning from the prosecution, Baker said the Carols wrapped up their
own children and acted like it wassome type of a game. And she
said the last time that she sawMarcus was on August the fourth. He
was in a high chair. Andthen she said that either one or both
of the Carrols with Marcus upstairs,but she couldn't remember which one did,

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but she did say that she neversaw him in the playpen. That night,
Liz Carroll went back into the houseto get something. She returned to
the car and said that Marcus wasfreaking out. Baker said that Liz Carroll
held him while Dave wrapped him up, and he slobbered on her shoulder.
She said that after leaving the house, the group went to a Milia,

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to a friend's house and Kroger,and then Baker's mother's house, and then
they went to Liz Carroll's father's house. Courtroom was packed full of people wanting
to hear Baker testify against Liz Carroll. On February twenty first, two thousand
and seven, Liz Carroll was foundguilty of all charges. One you remember

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said that she knew in her heartthat Liz Carroll was guilty on February twenty
second, two thousand and seven,and she received a sentence of fifty four
years a life well in prison.Lets Carol try to blame her issues on
the prosecution. Amy Baker's latest legalmove is stirring controversy, But the latest

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voice of opposition comes from behind bars. I am appalled by Woody Briar's affidavits.
She would not surprise me Whatdy Briaris lying. Liz Carroll speaks out
from Marysville prison. News five hasobtained this exclusive taped statement. As Carrol
blast Claremont County Prosecutor Woody Brier inthe wake of the latest developments, prior

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does not have a problem presenting wiseor lying himself. Bryer also says that
Amy Baker passed the line detective testondentharm Marcus and I know that's not possible.
His affidavits are only a way totry to make his opmunity appear justified
for his own political career. Carroll'stape was made yesterday after News five broke

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the story that unfolded in this document. Emotions request filed by Amy Baker's attorney
saying Mason County Prosecutor John Esto agreednot to prosecute Baker in Kentucky. Briar
signed this affid David's spelling out thedetails. Claremont prosecutors could not be reached,
but have said Liz Carroll is aproven liar. Despite her claims,

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none of the words that came outof Amy Baker's mouth are fast and it's
the shame that Peters and Brier claimedthe mart David Carroll accepted a plea deal
and pled guilty to murder and grossabuse of a corpse. He received sixteen
years a life in prison. Thismeans that he could potentially be out one

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day. Carroll claimed that he waspresent when Baker bound Marcus, as if
that made his role any less significant. Even in an interview from prison,
doesn't sound like a man sorry abouthis crime. Behind the razor wire fences

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of Lucasville Prison, David Carroll liveswith the state's most dangerous inmates and something
even worse his part in the deathof Marcus Feisel, But he says what
happened was nothing like what Amy Bakertold a jury in Liz Carroll's trial.

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What I really really have a problemwith is that my wife wasn't even home
when when any of this occurred,when any of occurred, and she wanted
to stand and said that my wifewas my wife, and I taped him
up and we went on a familyunion. That's the problem I have because
that's not exactly that's not that's notexactly what happened at all. Exactly what

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happened is we had we left him, We left him, we went to
family union, but he was alreadydead. Amy and I we wanted to
have sex, got you know,got greedy, Amy and said, you
know, take the kids outside,We'll put Marcus down. For a nap.
She was supposedly supposed to be puttingMarcus down for nap. We found
out later on that my wife andI when we found Marcus later on,
that she wasn't actually put him downfor nap. She taped them up and
she in a blanket and he died. David says several hours passed before he

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discovered Marcus dead. So I randownstairs and I told wife. I was
like, he's dead. He's this. She's like, who's dead? And
she was like she was smiling atme because she didn't know. She thought
I was kidding. And then aftershe seen my face was white, you
know, she was like she startedfreaking out and cry. I was like
what. She ran upstairs behind me. Soon she turned to the corner.
She's seen him, and she droppedher knees and she looked at me and

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she said, what did you do? Like blaming me. I said,
I didn't do this. I saidshe did it talking to Amy, and
Amy was like, I just forgotabout it. I'm so sorry. I'm
so sorry. My wife immediately goesto grab the phone, and Amy grabs
the phone and she's like, no, no, we can't. She's like
we can't call the cops. Youcan't call the cops, and was like,
well, I'm calling amulance. I'mcalling ambulance. Amy's gonna no,
He's already dead. It's not gonnado any good to call the cops,
the ambulance or anything else whatever,And Liza like, we got to we

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got to a Samy grab the phonefrom her, her name, got into
like a little argument. Amy startedpushing her and grab the fun out of
her hand because she started saying,you've seen what happened to Marcus. That
can happen to your kids too,if anything, if anything like this gets
out. After that, the planwas hatched and involved this remote chimney to
burn the body of Marcus. Thenthousands turned out to search for the boy.

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After the cover story that Liz passedout and Marcus wandered off at Julius
Park. I'm sorry. I apologizeall the public that that helped in this
and the search, and uh,I'm very sorry for you know, every
bit of my actions. I apologize. That's what That's what I want to
say. This is so appalling whathappened to him, and then what happened

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to him afterward. How do youlive with yourself. You know, it's
tough. It is tough, andI think about I have dreams about it.
I have nightmares about it. Um. And I was on medication night
when I first got here, andyou know, it was helping out.
And it's I've had a lot oftime to grieve. I've had a lot
of time to grieve. You know, I've believed my cell and cried many
many nights. Um. You knowthat's in that that helped. You know,

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that helped, you know, withthe crime and the grieving. Now,
what I try to do is whenI start thinking about it too much,
I'll pick up a book or magazineand I'll just try to read,
just keep my mind completely off it. That's the only wagon really deal with
that. So how does David Carrollnow view Amy Baker. I honestly believe
it was an accident. I believethat it was an accident that she'd done
that. You know, I don'tthink she did it on purpose. I

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think that she just was in youknow, just made a stupid, stupid,
stupid mistake. But you know,it's it's still don't it's still don't
negate the fact that she needs toto fess up to her responsibilities, take
responsible to what she done. DavidCarroll serving sixteen years to life, Liz
is serving at least fifty four years, and Amy Baker free for that community
deal she got. You know,it really seems like he wants Liz to

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get an appeal. Do you thinkhe was lying for that sake? You
know, it's it's very difficult totell. I mean, this story has
so many ins and outs, andthere may be a story we have never
heard out there still that no oneknows, and it's you know, it's
just one of those things that wemay never know. Yeah, and I
know you mentioned earlier. The detailsare just incredible. I mean, he
just spills so many tiny details.There were a lot of details in this

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and it was a very complete storyand it fit together very well, given
that although Baker received immunity from Ohio, Kentucky wanted the press charges against her
because they had jurisdiction over the sectionof the Ohio River where she disposed of
Marcus with David Carroll. In twothousand and eight, Kentucky dropped all charges

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against Baker. Although she was involvedin covering up the murder, she never
served any time for her role formany people in this community. This is
where it all began in Julia's Park, where David Carroll first reported Marcus Fisal
missing, and tonight this ending tothat tragic still where he has many people
who live around here absolutely outraged.For me, I'm very upset. I

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think she should fry for what shedid. Amy Baker won't find any supported
Grandma's Pizza and Amelia tonight, eventhough she used to work here. I
think that's unfair. I think it'snot right that our judicial, our government
is doing this to people. Ina forty nine page opinion handed down late
today, a Mason County judge droppedthe charges against Baker for her involvement in
disposing of the body of three yearold Marcus Feisel. Ohio prosecutors who struck

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the original deal with Baker are callingit the right thing to do, but
those who brought the charges against Bakerin Kentucky disagree. Mason County Attorney John
Astell had this to say, quote. Indeed, the decision by Judge Nichols,
and the bulk of the argument inthis case, forgets the most salient
facts, primarily that Amy Baker andDavid Carroll entered Mason County for one purpose,

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to avoid prosecution by disposing of thecorpse of a murdered child. And
the family of Liz and David Carroll, who will spend life in prison for
their role in Marcus's death, arealso outraged. David Carroll's stepmom says,
quote, we are very, verydisappointed. Kentucky dropped the ball, but
Amy didn't get off without punishment.Ultimately, she will be judged for her

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crime, and some who are judgingBaker in her hometown tonight say they couldn't
be more disappointed. This is theworst conclusion I could come out with it.
This is the wrong way to doit. Now, I'm told this
decision could be appealed. We'll certainlylearn more about that in the coming days.
As for Amy Baker and what's nextfor her, a family member tells

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News five she'll begin to concentrate ontrying to get her children back. Reporting
live in Anderson Township tonight, Ihave Amy Wagner News five. Liz Carroll

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has been locked up for more thana decade. A local news channel interviewed
her a few years ago. Tome, doesn't sound like she was sorry
about Marcus's death either. She seemsto be more concerned about Baker, wearing
her clothes to the trial and blamingeverything on Baker the only way on News

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five. Well, she has nowspent the last six years in prison.
But now Liz Carroll is breaking hersilence, saying the star witness led on
the stand, and for the veryfirst time, she's also talking about her
relationship with Amy Baker. And shespoke exclusively with our News fives Brian here,
Mary Bryan and Shari the murder ofMarcus five. So many people found
the crime unbelievable, and now thecentral figure in the case of saying so

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as a story, they got herconvicted. That's not all Liz Carroll is
saying about Amy Baker, the womanonce called the Carrol's living girlfriend. It's
not justice for Marcus at all.It's not It's a mess. Mis Carrol
is speaking for the first time sinceher arrest from behind the razor wire at

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Marysville Prison, saying she was convictedon a lie. I'm not like a
trying to get out of everything.I'm admitting to what I did do.
I just don't want to pay forwhat I didn't do. Amy Baker was
the star witness for the prosecution whosaid Liz and her husband David Carroll taped
Marcus in a blanket left him ina hot closet to die. Liz says

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it was Amy who really taped Marcus, but the jury never heard that because
of what happened behind the scenes.Bobby wanted to see you testify. What
was your I wanted to testify,Liz defer to the advice of her attorney,
Great Cohen, A, Baker's storywas essentially unchallenged. Do you blame

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her for your situation? Yes,and no. I blame myself for my
lies. Because of my lies overgot me and everything. You know,
even with her threats, I stillhad the opportunity to tell the truth several
times. But she didn't go onstand and lie, and then even had

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the nerve to smile at me andwear my clothes at my trial because she
went into my house after I wasarrested and took some of my stuff,
glue and my clothes. She woremy clothes at my trial. A lot
of people described this as any Bakerwho came there as your living girlfriend,
where she she wasn't my girlfriend.I don't know why people keep saying that

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she wasn't my living girlfriend. Sheand Dave You've had an affair. It
wasn't my girlfriend. She was notmy living girlfriend. You never had any
kind of relationship like that. I'mnot gonna lie. I did a couple
of times for my husband. Idon't try it, just disgusted. Liz

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is talking now because she passed apolygraph test specifics about the murder. She
says is true. She is notthe killer. Prosecutors should not be happy
at all. The public should notbe happy. The public one injustice.
They still having a justice. It'sobvious that Liz Terrell is bitter about sitting

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in prison while Baker is free.But it's always been said there is no
honor among thieves, and when multiplepeople are involved, it will all turn
on each other. For the bestdealer was the one who got the deal.
Although she was involved, her testimonywas necessary to secure Liz Carroll's conviction.

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David Carroll appears to take the samestance as Liz and blame everything on
Amy Baker. Liz and Dave Carrolltold the Inquirer and separate face to face
interviews that Amy Baker killed Marcus.This Carol's mother said she believes her daughter
with every ounce of her being andthanks her daughter's attorney, Greg Cohen,

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led her down. Greg didn't fightfor her at all. You let her
go down the river, Simms saidin a telephone interview less than two hours
after the verdict. After her daughter'sconviction, Simms lost it. I got
her. It was our life.It was a fine child. It was

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that did it. Simms walked fromthe courthouse. The media continued to tailor,
with several camera people racing ahead torecord images of her face. She
continued to plead that the wrong womanwas convicted. A man getting into a
blue Ford at Market and Main Street'sscreamed at her murderer. On Saturday,

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April twenty first, two thousand andseven, that chimney used to burn Marcus's
remains was demolished and turned into amemorial for him. The death of Marcus
was tragic, but it led tomuch legal wrangling over foster Karen, Ohio
Life Way for Youth had its licenserevoked and other legal changes have since been

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made to ensure the safety of fosterchildren and after the Carols were incarcerated,
Dona Trevino Marcus's birth mother tried tocash in on Marcus's death. Yes,
the same woman who gave up herparental rights to her son. Remember,
she had stopped contact with this childand didn't want to be his parent.

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Once the court maintained she had theright to sue, she filed a five
million dollar lawsuit against the county,the Carol's Amy Baker, and a life
Way. The prosecutor pointed out thatif she would have done her job as
a parent, none of this wouldhave ever happened. In February two thousand

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and seven, Travino's suit was settledfor just over two hundred thousand dollars.
However, Trevino did not get thecash. The money went to the care
of her children as long as theydid not live with her. It went
to the foster parents, and ifshe were ever to regain custody to them,
she would have to show receipts foreverything she bought and there would be

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a trust officer involved. I'd callthat irony. I guess even God has
a sense of humor. The lateWhitney Houston had it right with lyrics from
her Greatest Love of All song,I believe the children are our future.
Teach them well and let them leadthe way. Show them all the beauty

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they possess inside, give them asense of pride to make it easier.
Let the children's laugh to remind ushow we used to be. Sadly,
no one ever cared about the beautyMarcus Feisel possessed inside his timey body.
And this will conclude the second halfof the Marcus Feisel's story. If you

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listen to this, it may havebeen difficult. You may find it hard
to believe that somebody could harm achild, but it does happen. Unfortunately,
it's part of life, and assomebody that worked in social services,
it's part of that profession as wellto see those type of things happen to

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innocent children. They're helpless and allthey want is love and for somebody to
care for them. It doesn't seemlike too much to ask. For some
people, it is too much toask because giving love and compassion it doesn't

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appear to be something that they haveto offer. So if you have children
or grandchildren, be sure to givethem an extra hug, tell them you'll
love them, use something special forthem. If nothing else, just be
sure to be a part of theirlife in a positive influence. And always

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remember if you wake up on theright side of the grass, you're having
a great day.