May 27, 2019 • 51 mins
In the conclusion of this story, I interviewed Tyleigh who lived on a property in Virginia once occupied by slaves. Her story was told on an episode of The Dead Files. She describes the illnesses she has suffered from living in her former home, apparitions, electrical problems, and an unexplained evil that seems impossible to remove. The land is cursed and will likely remain a place where the dead still roam. If you would like to watch the episode that featured her story, click on the link: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2je7ot
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Were a lot of people here.It's stressful, very stressful. I truly
hope there's somebody living here. Iwould not be good. This place is
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crawling with dead people who have theability to affect the living in horrific ways.
And I think it will make youterribly ill, terribly ill live here.
And it makes me feel sick.What sort of stuff do you think
people would experience here? Men's voiceand arguing, seeing apparitions. Just watch
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your step, geez, you won'tkidding. This really isn't funing. This
is probably the worst place. Ijust do not come down here. I
have terrible feelings, just dread,sadness, m pain. We were told
actually that slaves were kept down hereas well. Down here, Yes,
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sir, have you ever seen anythingabout here? I've seen alpheritions, yes,
sir. I've seen um man withlike dark pants and it just kind
of walked across the floor and thisdisappeared a sou What are you actually feeling
right now, really nauseous, kindof lightheaded and dizzy, and you don't
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have the okay, This week Ibring you the conclusion of my interview with
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a young mother named Tyley, whoappeared on an episode of The Dead Files,
an extremely popular show on the TravelChannel. I also recommend that you've
listened to the first episode of thisstory. So here's the conclusion to a
story I called the Cursed Land ofthe Dead. I'm surprised you lived there
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as long as you did. Ijust don't think I could have handled that.
I really don't well finances, youknow, after we've built the other
house financially, and see, Iwas a chef for a while for a
long time, and when the riverwas diagnosed autism, I was just so
exhausted. I couldn't do it anymore. You know, I just could not
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go on two hours of sleep.I had went on that way for about
a year, and just finally Ihad to signed from my position. I
just couldn't work full time anymore.You know. It had taken so much
out of me, because not onlywas I trying to find my son again
out of the deep dark abyss ofautism, and yeah, I believe the
paranormal as well, that I wasjust drained. I was so drained,
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you know, bizarre accidents would happen. Troy's brother got shot accidentally on the
property right in front of the oldhouse. Um, they were shooting a
gun in the gun mouth function andthey thought that it had ejected the last
bullet. Well, the bullet actuallywent through Jesse and went through his long
puncture just one collapses long and it'slike one force of a millimeter away from
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his like in his spine and hisneck. I believe that I was killing
awful lot of tragedy, you know, you know, just a random thing.
Now, that's it. That islike a family home, right,
I mean it's like I think yousaid it was past. It's a generational
house. Yeah. Um. Theypurchased the Bresents Perch, just that part
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of property in nineteen thirty three.There's the threes again and have owned it
ever since and the boys will befour generation owners. So you know,
and sometimes I worry about if there'ssome kind of like bizarre curse on that
property or my boys going to beaffected. You know, I'm still affected.
I still have chronic illness, butnow if anything as he's will become
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more aware of paranormal issues, youknow, things that are going on.
And it's like I'm a medium ina sense and a sensitive and impath.
I could start like texting crazy stuff, like when his uncle had it got
really sick and we didn't know whatwas going on. We're at the hospital
and they had for some reason,it just came out of the blue.
I said, check his long andI think he has lung cancer. Doctors
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came back to know he doesn't haveno lung cancer. And so I went
outside and I talked to the position. I said, look, run the
tests again, do the tests again. I told him exactly where it was
at, told him the location ofit. And when they came back,
he pulled me out of the room. He said, how did you know
that? I said, I don'tknow. I just did right. You
know. It was weird. Wewould have times where we would leave,
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like from the house and have likeputrid smells. Okay, Troy would leave
from the house to go to youknow, go to work or something,
and I'd be at home and Iwould smell the same thing. He would
have the same thing in the vehicleuntil he crossed the bridge and it just
went away like a future smell ofvomit or you know, just disgusting sulfur
smells. Um that they had noreason to be there, right, that's
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outside. Day, night didn't matters, Like so many orbs in these pictures.
It was just crazy, Um,anybody that came down there that had
like ill intentions. I think someof the spears there had gotten protective over
me and the boys specifically. Theywould get like really sick pretty immediately.
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Yeah, but I guess I'm guessingyou probably didn't have too many visitors out
there. Did you have a lotof people come out or constant visitors?
You know, I think the firstfew years when we lived there, we
may have had some gatherings universities andstuff. And as time when on,
and I've got a point where Ijust didn't want people to come down.
I was so scared that they wouldtake things home with them, or they
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would piss something off and we'd payfor it, you know, and things
would fire up, you know,without a warning or anything like that.
And I just didn't want to putanybody else for its away. You know,
we were already taking the runt ofit, and I felt like,
you know, I'm not gonna dothat to anybody else if they're in a
punish And I felt like I wasa slave. I'm going to be very
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honest, like I had become aslave to that place and um and did
in so many work ways. Soyou know, I just felt like it
owned me, you know what Imean, like that property owned me.
There was no safe like if weplanned, like maybe trying to think about
league or something, you know,there was definitely ways that would keep you
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from doing something. And if wewould start talking like we are like different
people to try to help us,there would be like electrical disturbances, the
phone would start acting up, youknow, the phone would shut off,
and then the people couldn't call itback. You know. It was constantly
just a battle anyway you look atit, you know, and it gets
to that point you almost feel like, your god, this is going to
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kill me. I mean, it'salready tried to kill Troy several times.
It's it's one of these things thatyou know, is I mean, he's
cost the blood before and it's justreally bad, really sad, and then
that end up destroying our marriage becausehe wouldn't see pass the point, you
know, he knew it was haunted, and he knew that a lot of
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that stuff was caused by it.But I don't say, because of the
way it was passed down that hewould ever have the heart to move forward
and go somewhere else. I cansort of understand that, but then I
can't right now when I have totake yeah, because it's to me,
it's it's just a piece of property. I want to have boys down there.
I'd try and not stay there toolong. And there's still things going
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on there now. You know,my other dog got accidentally ran over UM
by my oldest done backing up andcost development ten thousand dollars and bet that
he had never done that before,never ran out the door like that.
And so my son did seem andaccidentally ran over and been a very expensive,
a very taxing place to be Um. As far as mentally emotionally,
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I've got PTSD now got to beour anxiety, which in the fiber Alga
has not gotten any better by nomeans, I got more issues if anything.
So it's just well, there's nocure. I'm glad I'm no longer
there, but I still own theproperty, you know what I mean.
And there's things that I would liketo change, but before I do that,
I would want one bad person thatcould get rid of everything and bring
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peace to it again. But Idon't think that's fun to happen. Yeah,
I think there's things there that it'sjust are just so old and it's
been there for so long because everysingle family that just lived on that property
has seen nothing but dread, bloodand tears. Yeah. Period. I
don't think there's too much you cando about that. It's just it's just
one of those things that it's justkind of the way it's going to be.
Yeah, I don't I don't thinkanybody. I don't think anybody can
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do anything. Hard thing to acceptit is. But so when did you
leave? What? When did youget away from the When did you leave?
The propect away from there? Yeah? When'd you get away? Um?
I left going on four years aga? So what was the what was
the moment? What I mean youhad lived there for you said what ten
years, eleven years? Whatever?What was it that made you go,
Okay, screw this, I'm gone. I can't take no more better and
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it just you know, I hadstarted, um, just trying my best
to get my things together as Ifinally wanted to get out of there.
Yeah, and you know, hehad a lot of control over troyded at
the time he had changed to hewas no longer the person that I had
married. He was somebody else.You know. He says, he's,
you know, be different now.But you know it's all good, be
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good. That touris laugh. Yeah, but we don't know, you know,
exactly what's going on with him either, you know. And that's the
thing that I feel like I haveto prepare my daughter for as well.
You know, we've been preparing forthat, and it's just one of those
things like today my son's my youngerson's a lizard passed away and you know,
now he's all upset about that becausehe's not very old. All kids
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get attach to their pets. That'sso, you know, just a lot
of stuff that's been very painful.But you know, like now I feel
that I don't know if I walkedaway with a stronger gift with the paranormal
now definitely much stronger home. It'sdefinitely made me a way more humble with
life. And it's just something thatyou can't let your imagination go too far.
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But sometimes that's a hard thing.The reception is everything you know day
to day life. But I feltlike I was being punished for being alive.
I really do. I'm glad you'reable to move out of there,
but yeah, that's definitely that's definitelyterrible. I still have to deal with
it in so many ways. Youknow, you have a lot have a
love for the property because it's beautiful. It is, it's very, very
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beautiful. But let me tay something. Where there's beautiful, beauty does not
mean there's not evil, right,And sometimes evil takes a long time because
it's feeding off of you to rearits locally hit right, and what its
goal is to destroy everything in sight, and that's what it pretty much does.
It just kept taking and taking wherethere's nothing left. And I believe
so many people out there that ifthey need any advice, they or feel
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free to contact me because I knowwhat it's right well from my experience.
And you tell people even today youtell me, you tell people about paranormal
experiences, and they look at youlike there's three eyeballs on you. So
a lot of people don't believe it. I mean, I can understand,
you know, if never felt likean oddball my entire life anyways. And
I've always had like a drawn tospirituality anyways for some reason, because I
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mean my first experiences is when Iwas very very young. I mean,
I'm severely abused for a very verylong time from pry about the age of
three to thirteen, and my brotherand I were severely beaten and stuff.
And you know, it's one ofthese things that I think sometimes you develop
a skeel or something to protect yourself, you know, maybe not to crush
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your soul, you know. Um, but I definitely look at things a
lot differently, and my perception isjust so heightened now. I have to
like find ways to turn it onand off, you know, and that's
sometimes hard. I have issues sleepingbecause I can hear things talking, I
see them, you know. It'sit's pretty scary. I can look at
a picture and somebody will ask meabout it, and I can I can
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text everything within the picture with abrief amount of time, and they're just
blown away by it, you know. And I believe it's just you know,
my experience is now on the propertyjust you know, just push things
through the roof now where bizarre It'slike a bizarre gift. Well, I've
heard of that scientists. To behonest, yeah, I've heard that people.
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Everybody kind of has the ability,some kind of spiritual ability. But
it's like when you get old,you kind of lose it because you don't
necessarily believe in it. Some peopleare able to keep it, I mean,
because I don't have anything like that. I mean, I've experienced some
things, but I don't have anykind of abilities of anything. I don't
see anything but my heightened. Mysenses aren't heightened. I don't think like
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yours are. And I do believethat there are people who do have that
ability, that have heightened senses,that they can pick up things, just
like I believe that. I'm notso sure about dogs, but well I
believe dogs, but I think especiallycats. I think cats pick up yet
spiritual too. In the property,and I kind of wished I would I
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had an outdoor cat. Um.But I can tell you something that was
bizarre last night. I have threecats with four chattles, but three of
them are personally mine and their namesWillow, Feeter, and Ivan. And
it was bizarre because they kept lookingupstairs where my son, you know,
my younger son had lost lizards today, but they kept looking upstairs. Yeah,
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It's like, why are they lookingbecause you know, he hadn't been
feeling good. Un listener hadn't beenfeeling good. But you know, maybe
just that we thought he was sheddingand that that was the deal. But
they kind of knew and also can't. Um, there's been a lot of
research on that, and they believethat they have an ability to keep that
things away, which is kind ofare leaving in my aspect because you know,
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I've got so many things that aredrawn to me. I don't you
know, I carry across, Isay my prayers, um, but some
things just you know, I thinkthey try to poke the bear, and
I really I'm just at this point, I don't I don't just jump off
and say, oh it's a goodgood or it's just a good entity,
you know, because where there's good, there's bad, and then there's evil.
I don't know, I don't thinkthere's really when you see their spirits,
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I'm not gonna say they're all evil, but I'm not I'm not certainly
not going to say any of they'renot. I'm not gonna say they're good.
Yeah, I won't say they're good. I'm not gonna say that either,
because I'd heard somebody say something onlong lines of any time anybody has
any type of spiritual experiences, theynever end well. They always they you
know, they just don't end well. They're not good experiences overall, well
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because because they've been touched in likepsychological you know, their soul has been
touched by the experience somehow somewhat.And like you know, you say right
now that you haven't experienced anything,but that doesn't mean you want in the
future, right you know, itcould be tonight tomorrow. But a lot
of times people that have had experiencesdo have reoccurring to shoot. I mean,
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you know, experiences, it justends, and some people can shut
it off. Maybe that's why I'vedone. Maybe that's why I don't know.
I mean, maybe I maybe Idid. I just I just I
don't know. But I don't seeanything. I don't I don't see her
here or anything. I mean,I just don't. Well, actually,
actually I take that back. Itake that back. I have to say
because me and my mother in law, Now let me tell you. Let
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me share a couple of stories withyou. My mother in law died in
twenty fifteen. She was a heavysmoker, so she had lung cancer.
She had COPD, she had shewas on an oxygen machine. I mean
about eight or nine ten days beforeshe died. She knew she was gonna
die. I sat in an apartmentwith her and we had this find this
real long conversation for about an hour, and she told me she's like,
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Mark, I'm gonna die. I'mlike, what, I might get out
of here. You're not gonna die, you know, people say that you're
just I was kind of like,oh, yeah, sure, you'll be
fine. She's like, no,I'm gonna die. It's it's my time.
I'm gonna be gone soon, verysoon. And it's just I just
know. And I said, soyou're good with everything. She's like,
yeah, I believed my life.I'm ready. I'm I'm I'm ready to
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go. And it's okay, I'mtotally at peace and I'm ready. And
she ended up dying about a weeklater, nine or ten days later.
But after she died, Okay,now this is really fucked up. Okay,
my ex wife and I and myex he my mother laws neighbor surely
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was her best one of her bestfriends. Now The thing is, we
came over, like I don't know, not long after she died, and
we were cleaning out of her apartmentand the three of us were there.
Well, the first thing I didwas come in there. I turned the
heat off because she always kept theplace really hot, and I, you
know, I think we all putup windows, lots of air in.
I turned the heat off, andit was September, I believe, so
I was like, you know,it's not we don't need the heat on.
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And so that was the first thingI did. And then we started
unpacking stuff. So I unplugged herphone. She had a landline, because
you know, all older people havelandlines. So I unplugged the landline the
electrical chord. I unplugged the chordthat you know goes into the wall to
the actual phone line. I wrappedboth chords. I wrapped both chords around
the phone. I put the phonein the box, and I'll be damned,
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about five minutes later, man,that phone was ringing by itself,
and me and my ex wife andthe neighbor were all like, oh my
god, what's going on? Howis that phone ringing? We were all
shocked. I'm like, oh,I guess i'd better answer it. So
I answered it after like the thirdor fourth ring, and of course there
was nobody on the line, butI knew who it was. I knew
it was my mother in law.I knew it was her letting me know
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she was okay. And then aboutI don't know, a half hour later,
you know, in the middle ofwhatever we're doing, all of a
sudden, the heat came on.Because I'm like, man, it feels
kind of starting kind of warming here. What's going on? You know?
And I heard I heard some clickingsounds, and I was like, what
the hell is that? And Iheard the heat come on. I'm like,
that heat is not on. Ijust I turned it off on myself.
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I know, I turned that heatoff. You know. We first
walked in here, I was like, the first thing I did. I
walked over and sure enough, nothingwas on by itself. It was creepy.
And then and then when she diedand we got somewhere, I've got
her nights stand and she used tosmoke in her room, and so when
I first bought brought her nights standover here, you could smell the cigarette
smoke on it real bad. SoI cleaned it up and you could still
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smell it a little bit. ButI figured, Okay, it'll dissipate.
So I sleep next to it everynight. I put it on my bed,
and even today, every once ina while, I'll smell. Now,
she's been gone, like I said, for going on four years,
so he shouldn't. I shouldn't besmelling any cigarette smoke coming off of that
thing. Every once in a while, i'll smell cigarette smoke coming off I'll
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smell it. I'll smell cigarette smokecoming off of that thing, and I
know it's her. So sometimes Iyeah. And sometimes in this house because
I live by myself, it's justme and my cat. Nobody lives here.
I've had three bedroom house, Ilive alone, and sometimes I can
actually feel her presence. I canfeel my mother in law in here.
You know, even though me andher daughter are divorced, I still feel
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like she's still looking out for mebecause me and my mother in law were
like best buds. I mean alot of people don't like their mother laws.
I love, absolutely love my motherand dot law to death. I
mean, she was she was mybuddy. I loved her to death.
I have done anything for her.Yeah, so we were always really close
and I've and I've told her daughter. I was like, you know,
I just feel like your mom's stilland I'm looking out for me sometimes,
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you know. So, but yeah, so I can't say I haven't had
anything, but I mean, butit's been kind of positive. It's not
really been like, oh, nothingbad. So yeah, you know,
but yeah, you know, Idon't know. I can't explain it.
Just like you said, I don'teven know. I don't even know what
to think about it. Why thesethings happen. Like I said, it's
kind of something that I wrestle withbecause of my biblical beliefs. I almost
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like don't want to say I believein ghosts, but I can't say that
because I've experienced them. It's justI just find it hard to believe because
I grew up being told that thatjust doesn't happen, you know, Yeah,
exactly. You don't see when youhave all these things that go on,
ye and you try to go toreach out to a past or something,
and they make you feel like crap, like you're doing something wrong,
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yeah, or they don't be doingwrong, or they just they don't they
don't believe you. So I'm kindof used to that telling people stuff and
it's hard, you know. Andlike I said, you know, I
reached out to neary worse people andyou know, try different things, and
just nothing never worked. I meannothing, And that kind of hurts.
You know, that that bothers youin ways that you know, because then
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you realize, well, I'm notgoing to have no key care ever.
Ever, so when you come torationalize that, you just you know,
I mean, I had to getback on my feet, pretty much lost
everything that I had except for thehouses and stuff and the land, but
I had to start all over,and so I ended up leaving and moving
into my brother's house for a while. So I got back on my feet,
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you know. And then now Ido pilative care nursing, which is
challenging in its own realm M.But you know, people passing doesn't bother
me anymore. You know. Ithink I've seen and witness things that a
lot of people can't do. Butspearially, you know, I know that
they're going to a better place,and the ones that behaved were good people,
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good souls. Um I'm not ohyeah, we're not if they're not
good people in life. I don'tthink they were going to be good people
or spirity. No, And that'ssomething that I definitely do believe in.
I just I don't believe that atyou can be an evil person, that
you could be like a Ted Bundyor Charles Manson and kill people whole bunches
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of people, or like even AdolphHitler, and that when you die that
you're gonna be good. You know, everything's gonna be good for you.
No. No, I think whatyou do here, if you're evil here,
you're gonna pay for it in theafterlife. I've heard stories from nurses
that have told me that, youknow, they were with somebody before they
died and the person was like freakingout, like yelling or screaming like oh
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no, no, no no,and then they just die like you know,
but they had like a terrified lookon their face, you know,
before they died, you know.So it's like it doesn't sound like they
went to a good place, youknow, and you know, that makes
evil think maybe I should be alittle bit more kinder. Maybe I should
pay it forward, right, MaybeI should volunteer and do something beautiful,
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you know, doesn't may take muchin this wife to do something kind and
beautiful. It helps this world bea bit of a better place. This
world so angry right now, especiallyyou know, our country, it's just
filled with hatred and you know,and ust not be that way. You
know, neighbors looked out for eachother. Now you can't even trust your
neighbor. No, No, Itried to, you know, tycho behind
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the door. Yeah, I there'sa lot of evil out there, and
that's really present right now in theUnited States. Just say that. It's
all you got people trying to legalizepedophilia because that is a way of life
for them. Yeah, we justwe talked. We talked about that in
our Bible study session a couple ofweeks ago. My pastor brought that up.
And I've read about a movement andyou know what, I hate to
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say it, but it's going tohappen, mark my words. It's going
to happen one day. Now.Hopefully, I hope, and I pray
to God that I don't live longenough to see that happen. But if
I don't, my grandson will probablylive to see that it'll happen. I
mean, I mean what angers meis that you know, I don't mind
I can treat everybody that the waythey treat me, I'll give them the
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favor back. And I respect everybody'sdecisions. I don't. I don't have
a you know, where I haveto be a certain way. I'm not
like that. I'm pretty open minded. But when you've got transgender children or
teenagers competing with girls, you knowthat's not right. Yeah, there's there's
a lot. There's a lot ofthe men it's going to be, and
it's just there that the world's gottenoff kilt. Yeah, it's so off
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kilt, you know, from moralsto value to everything. You know,
it's became a world of you know, all the smut that's on TV.
You know a lot of ghosts,these shows, you know, a lot
of it is Hollywood. A lotof it is to get raiding right.
And that's why I don't I'm alot of those. I don't watch them.
I really don't. I don't watchthem. I I kind of try
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to watch them after I don't thinkthat I experience. I don't believe it.
Yeah, because I I you know, we've saying nothing bad or anything,
but I was left a lot todeal with afterwards. And you know,
when you're my philosophy is if you'rebringing the dark arts to something that
you're trying to cleanse or get ridof. I just don't think that the
appropriate answer to things. You know, sometimes it takes a long time to
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figure it out. Sometimes you neverwill and you know have and somebody say
we'll just tear the house down andthat will solve all your problems. That
won't solve it because somebody, somebodyanything, because somebody will put something on
top of that. Even if youtore down that house, somebody's gonna put
something in the energy that was inthe home. Anyway, the problem if
somebody puts a business or another houseor condos on top of it, then
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yeah, it's gonna it's gonna staythere. I mean, it's it's in
the land. It's just that's justthe way it is. I mean,
there's evil and there's evil spirits thatjust stay here. And unfortunately a lot
of people just think that, wellI don't see it, I don't believe
it. They think if they can'tsee it, that it's not there or
they don't believe and it's like,well, yeah, exactly, but that's
it's it's there. It's there,even in the Bible, and I even,
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oh, that's been photoshopped or thatjust shape the camera or yes,
I would be like, First ofall, a lot of the pictures I
had taken was before strodostopt even existed. Second of all, why would a
lie? I mean, I couldn'tmake this crap up if I wanted to,
you know what I mean. Andthat's the hardest part. Yea.
You know they automatically, people automaticallyjump to judge for reading the entire story.
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You know, they look at thecover. Yeah, they probably deserve
it, or it's all in theirhead or just so that or the other,
instead of reading the whole entire storythat's so important, you know,
And people jumps at their own conclusionsand basically a lot of it's from perception
that they see on TV. Lifeis not Life is a reality, but
it's not a TV show. Well, you may have lines to go by,
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right, they have certain like numbersthey want to hit to keep getting
that show on the air. It'snot like that. Yeah, well you
figure when you make those programs thatmean you have to see something or because
people won't watch, so it's allabout you know rating. You know,
they have to get ratings, youknow, so they have to Hollywood.
Like I said, you know atthe beginning we first started talking, they
have to hollywood it up, soyou know, I mean, yeah,
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I don't know what people think whenthey watched these shows. I mean people
either think, oh my god,this stuff real or well it's like you
know other reality shows where you seeeverything became so fake. Yeah, and
they are. If it's a realityshow, then where the hell is the
real? Yeah, they're not.It's not that way no more. No,
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it's like rustling. Yeah, it'snot real. I mean I remember,
I'm old enough and you are tooto remember when wrestling, when you
remember back in the day, inthe eighties and the seventies, where you
thought it was real, and theyused to deny that it was fake.
They would always say, oh,it's real, it's real. But then
later on, eventually they finally cameout and then finally admitted to it that,
Okay, it's not real. That'swhy we call it entertainment. It's
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entertainment. It's not real rustling.But people used to think, and I
can remember being a kid believing itwas real. You know, when you
see people they hate each other,you thought this is real and it wasn't
real, but you thought it wasreal, and unfortunately. I think that's
what one of the things about seeingparanormal programs when you see them on TV,
and I think it's almost like thesame attitude with rust. People watch
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wrestling, they automatically well, oh, that's fake. So when they see
these ghost shows and there's a lotof them now I remember when they're used
only be a few. Oh that'sfakes, are fake, but there probably
is scripted. I mean, well, they know who's gonna win, and
time shows and slots and stuff.Well, they have a time limit and
win the exactly and they have theguy that's supposed to win and the guy
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that's supposed to lose, and thenthey know how long they're supposed to wrestle,
and then when the losers getting readyto lose, then then the winner
knows that make the right They dothe right thing, the right moves to
make the guy lose. So yeah, it's it's said paranormal shows come in
and that, and I'm not justjust barking in them. I'm glad they're
out there. But you know,like I would never cuts out spirit because
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I would never treat a living personthat way, if I'm going to aggravate
something, you don't know what you'reaggravating or pissing off first of all,
all right, and sometimes they canmake things so much worse because then you
have kids that are teenagers that aregoing to experience that because oh I'm going
to be spirit No, because letme tell you something. This stuff is
real and you can die from itand kill you in many different ways.
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Well, I think, you know, and slow agonizing that, Yeah,
it's not quick. You don't getrunner by someone. I mean, you
get people that live in those placeslike you've experienced, they get sick.
Those spirits make them sick, andyou know, they ended up with diseases
or illnesses and you know, anxietydepression. So yeah, everything you know,
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and I'm still you know, Iwill never be what I was before,
and I understand that, but there'ssome days, you know, I
feel like regretted staying as long asI did. But now I just feel
like a shadow of a person ofwhat I used to be, you know
what I mean, Right, itdoesn't it draw me down so far.
And I'm a very strong human being. I mean, after everything I've seen
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and dealt with there's not too muchthat I have it right. But that's
what I try to teach my kids. You know, kids are kids.
They're gonna say thing about other people, and I'm like, well, you
don't know what's going on at theirhome. You don't know what they're dealing
with, you know, not likethey're doing in school, but you don't
know. So just kind of likehow y'all live through things? Boys?
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Think about that, And when peoplewere picking on you'all fans that you were
full of crap because there's been familymembers down there. I mean, some
family members would have experienced, otherswouldn't, others would not. But here's
the thing, Maybe that the spiritrealm chose not to deal with them,
you know, because they knew thatyou know, they'd probably go crazy or
something. Yeah, yeah, said, I mean, there's there's there's a
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lot to it. I mean,it's I can't even explain, like I
said, even with my own experiencesI've talked to people, I can't.
I can't explain. I don't knowwhy it happened or I don't even know
what the heck it was about,you know, it just it's something that
just happened. It kind of Ididn't pick it. I guess it picked
me. I don't know. Andsee, that's something we'll never know,
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you know, it was it atest, could be, could be for
us to broaden our way of thing. And that's the thing, you know.
I try to love people for whothey are, you know, not
what they have or not what they'reabout, but their soul. And I
try to see through all this othercraft. It's so fake and beauty is
not on the outside either, it'sin the inside. And I know some
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people know that, but some othersdon't, right, And it's become destructive
in so many ways because if ithasn't, our nation wouldn't be going through
the stuff that is right now.And I think a lot of that is
the blame from the TV shows makinglife seem so perfect and it's not.
It's not. It's hard. Well, what what's happening is easy a silver
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spoon. We live in a nation, you know what I mean, We
live in a nation with no shame, that's right, and that's what's going
on. I mean, we weknow people don't have any shame anymore.
I mean, people just do whateverthe heck they want. No, I
mean, you know, it's peoplejust do whatever they want to do these
days, you know, I mean, I mean the stuff that I lived
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through and went through down at Mark, I pretty much had lost my mind.
I had lost it a couple ofyears before that, but it just
kept getting worse and worse. Theonly thing that kept me going with my
baby, and they could see andfor whatever reason, they would have experiences.
The adult took the brunt of it. And that's what I would rather
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that happen, right than go throughanything. You know, it was bad.
You know what my experience. Nowwhen you had when dead Files came
out, did you and your exhusband did you believe that they would be
able to help you or did youthink, oh, they're not gonna be
able to Yeah, we did.You were so you really were hoping and
praying that hey, these guys help. Really really was. But see this
is not to blame anybod It's not. You know, he's a very gifted
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medium and Steve the Shabby is avery gifted um you know, researcher,
you know, ex police officer.And I really liked them, I really
did. And I was so hopeful. I was so hopeful. I really
really was. And you know whenthings went all to craft. After the
fact, it just it kind ofI think I must like kind of snapped
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a little. I felt like therewas no end if this person had been
to so many places and you know, suggestively or perceptionally that everything was it,
you know. But now they saywe will help you if we can.
There's some things just not answers to, you know. I would love
to be able to like get agroup of scientists together, and a group
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of skeptical people together, and paranormalpeople together. But I would want them
to see it for what it isand not make it up. And they
did tell our story, but theydidn't tell all the layers and layers and
layers that is actually it was there, you know. And and to be
honest stuff, I think that ifI would stayed there too much longer,
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I don't think I'd be here.Now that's pretty bad. Actually, I'd
either be in the nuthouse because Ihad a nervous breakdown. I was straight
up had a nervous breakdown and wastrying to steal function with things around me.
Did not go get any help,you know. And but what I
did do it brought me closer toGod and praying even though stuff still continued.
I you know, my faith wasrebuilt because it had done destroyed that
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as well, you know what Imean, it had just annihilated that and
it just took it's still taking timefor me to you know, for my
anxiety not to get really you know, buffed up for you know, my
PTSD is it's controlled now, butit's controlled by medication. Unfortunately. You
know, it's one of these thingsthat it has left a mark and more.
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It wasn't just the one thing andthen it's gone. And I continue
to this very day to deal withthings that I still can't expertly say because
I'm not an expert. I've justlived through it, you know, and
it's a totally different thing when you'reactually living through something like that, yes,
versus just having brief experiences, right, you know, we're experienced totally
different, all right, because that'swhere I think people get caught up.
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You know, they want an experience. Let me tell you something. Be
careful what you wish for, becauseall sometimes you're not going to get what
you think you're going to get,right, You're going to get something that's
going to recomplete hell in your lifeand rip it apart. That's what some
of the evil ones and what we'vetalked about for demonic or act. It
doesn't matter if you're a Christian,you believe in God and you know you're
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a good person and all these things. Yeah, you're susceptible evil. It
doesn't matter. Like you just said, it doesn't matter how good person you
are, how good of a Christian. You're susceptible evil because evil's here and
it rules, and it's just notgoing to go away. All you can
do is pray and kind of hope, you know, it misses you if
possible. So yeah, I wantto hear people say that they wish they
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had they could live in a hauntedhouse, or they wish they could have
an a supernational experience, they wishthey could see it, or I'm like,
no, no you don't. They'llsay that, yeah, or just
to get a minute of skill,you know, like scared and thrilled,
you know, because of the adrenal. Oh no, no, no,
no, it's just it's not likethat. When you're living in them constantly,
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you're staying on like an edge.You change, you become withdrawn,
you become depressed because you feel likehe's going crazy, literally breakdown. It's
like you know, and some peoplethat had visited the property before, I
remember them saying, well, nothingnever happened to me down there. It's
like, well, shoot, Iwish, but there were so many that
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did you know here the piano planand the piano room. You know,
hearing creaking floors, doors open,the doors shutting, uh, you know,
hearing laughter and then hearing you know, crazy voices, people screaming music.
You know all these explanations that Imean, you know examples with no
nation, Where did it come from? Where to come from? Well,
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I mean just because you visit,you're not necessarily going to see anything.
I mean, if you live therefishing, it's like fishing, you're taking
a chance of catching something or nothing. It's just the way it goes.
It's and there's no guarantee to doanything. And as far as provoking a
spirit, absolutely not. If youhave a truly haunted place, Duck does
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want to go on around the clockwith whatever they decide to do. Some
can be like a residual haunting,and some can be like a where you
hear the same thing at the sametime and you know it's repetitive, but
it's so much more than that becareful. And that's what one thing I
do know, I want people torealize is that they have got to be
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careful because I didn't do anything toprovoke anything. It was just like that
from the beginning, you know.And I think it's been that gap for
hundreds of years because just from thehistory alone, there's just so many tragedies
that to the point where you're like, h right, a whole lot of
abnormal of the amount, you know, so yeah, you just yeah,
you don't even want to tempt faith. You know. I've talked to other
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people and I've said, for instance, Okay, I don't do the bloody
marrything. I don't have a board. I don't do the Luigi board.
I don't have one, I don'twant one, seances, I will not
the tarot cards. I don't doany of that stuff. I do none
of it. I don't even wantto open the door or you know,
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invite anybody in. But you opena door with don't messing any of those
things. If you're invoking it andgiving it power, then it's fun to
absolutely show up. I mean,I've seen I've seen people like because I'm
on several different paranormal boards, andI love them. And I've seen people
talk about, oh, I've neverhad a Wigi board or I want to
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do that. You know, it'slike no, I you know, and
they're like, oh, it's notreal, it's not I'm like, no,
it's just the toy. I'm like, no, it's not just the
toy. It's it's not even aboutthe It's not yeah, it's it's spirit,
right, And it's they're like,well, I bought it. I
bought it at Walmart, or Ibought it at kmart. It's it's like,
what, it's not about that toy, It's right, It's what when
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you go on there and you starttrying to communicate with a spirit. I
mean, if there's a spirit around, whether whether it's a two dollar toy
or whether it's a homemade well,it doesn't matter. I mean, it's
not even about that toy, right, right. And and they can come
in through a toy, and theycan come in through objects. They can't
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do that. They come in Imean, spirits can come through paintings,
um, toys, books, Imean, there's a there's a lot of
different ways it can come through.And you know, people but people always
go, oh, it's just thetoy. I've heard that it's just the
toy. I mean, white,how come I can buy it bookshelf or
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cut dresser. I mean at onetime that their antique there were someone else.
You better hope that you hit somethingpretty good. Yeah, well see
if there's an attachment. Yeah,And I've heard stories and read about a
lot of stories about people who wouldbought stuff from like antiques that are one
hundred years old, and you know, and there's something connected to it.
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As a matter of fact, Iwrote a column about a chest that was
built by a slave and the masterdidn't like the work. The chest was
supposed to be a gift for hiswife or something, and he ended up
murdering Well, I guess it wasn'tmurder because they could do what they wanted
with the slaves. But he endedup killing this slave. And this now,
this slave was like a carpenter orsomething. But the slave was beloved
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among the other slaves because he ownedlike a big plantation or something. But
everybody loved this slave. I meanhe was a very kind gentle man that
was just popped with it with everybody, and everybody liked him. And I
guess he was a skilled carpenter.He had a gift for being able to
build things with wood or whatever withhis hands. So after the plantation owner
murdered him, UM, a bunchof other slaves that believed in voodoo,
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I believe, got together and theyput a curse on him, on the
family of the plantation owner, andthey said that anybody, anybody, they
put a curse on the chest,and they said anybody that uses that chest
will suffer immensely. And I don'tthink the plantation owner knew it. And
if you know about the curse onthe chest, or if he did,
he probably didn't believe it. Sohe just went ahead and started using it.
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And apparently all these bad things startedhappening to people who had it.
So eventually the Kentucky Kentucky has it. It's um. They put it up
like in one of their I thinkit's in a government facility. They actually
have stored away so nobody can useit. And in my column, my
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column, leaving my column, Iput the I list the list words at
and the number that's has been assignedby the state of Kentucky that they assigned
to that item. So and that'sa real chest and they won't even let
anybody touch it. And there's ayeah, and there's all right. And
there was a column that I wrote, another column that I wrote about a
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chair. It's called the Busby chair, where a man was hanged over that
chair because he would go to thistavern in England and he when he came
into the tavern, everybody knew thatthat was Busby's chair. So if somebody
was sitting in his bar stool,they had to get their butt up because
that was where he sat and didhis drinking. And he came in I
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guess every day. He was aregular. Well apparently somebody was sitting in
there or something happened. I don'tremember what. He's all the like I
said, I wrote a column aboutit, but there were some kind of
details and he ended up murdering somebodyand he was sentenced to be hanged.
But he put a curse on thatchair. He said, anybody that sits
on that chair, you know they'regonna die. You know, I put
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a curse on him. I don'twant anybody ever sitting in a chair again.
And people sat in it, andthere was a bunch of documented cases
for years. Even pilots in WorldWar Two, these pilots who came in
who were in the Air Force,that British Air Force, had sat in
it and they didn't come home whenthey went off the war. They did
not make it home people who satin that chair. So it got so
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bad that that people because the peoplewere like didn't believe it. They didn't
believe it, Oh that's a bullcrap, I want to sit in it.
And all these people just kept rightand they would sit in it and they
would end up dead within a shorttime. And I think the last person
to die was like a mailman.And what happened was the pub had taken
it away and put it down inthe basement or something. They put it
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away because they were just tired ofit people dying sitting in it. So
I think this mailman or ups guyor some kind of delivery me has sat
in it, you know, andthis was like a I guess a modern
time deal. And he didn't thinknothing of it, and I think he
ended up getting killed in a caraccident or something. And then the owner
or the pub just said, that'sthe last straw, you know, we
have to get rid of it.So they ended up donating it to a
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museum and they put the chair upon a wall. It's hanging on a
wall, and I've seen pictures.There's pictures of it on the internet,
and it's in a museum and it'sactually put up so nobody will ever sit
in that chair again, because that'sa cursed chair and everybody's ever sat in
it has died. You know.It's just like that chess that's locked up
in Kentucky, you know. Soit's like, you know, hey,
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these things are real. I mean, come on a chair where you can't
sit in a chess that they don'twant anybody using it? Are real if
you give it power to be.I mean, think about it. Say
that that's putting perception in everybody's mind. But however, if there's a reason
why they have a saying the curiositykilled the cat, you know what I
mean. And if you think aboutit, whatever we put out into the
world comes back, it could useit comes back three fold or worse.
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It's just it's it's there's a certainlaw we have that we need to understand.
And I think, you know,put negative energy out to come back
to you, And yes, Ido that when I'm having a bad day,
but it will come back in oneform or another. So you know,
it's it's hard to even a manand something like that. But curses,
you know, there's parts in theBible where it talks about you know,
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family curses and stuff like that.You know, scary, but it's
real. Yeah, that thing,it's real. It boils down to evils
real and there's always going to beevil in this world. So all right,
well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this last
question. What would you say toanybody that is having an experience with supernatural
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somebody that's maybe they don't want totell anybody because there they don't want anybody
to think they're crazy. But whatwould your advice? Yeah, but I
mean what would you tell them todo? Would you tell me to do?
Let's you tell me get a prettystuff. If you're really truly having
that and you're not having any othermental health or haven't had any other mental
health at all, you know,unless there's something some kind of trapp traumatic
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event that's taken place that I cankind of set things off as well.
I mean, it's I think youneed to get with experts in the paranormal
somebody that will come back several timesthat you just can't do it once or
twice. It doesn't work that way, especially for severe haunting. Now,
some things all easy, breezy,just a cleansing and it's gone, you
know. But if it's a badcase, you know, it's not that
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simple, and you better be readyto roll your sleeves up. And yes,
it'll be harder. Some days you'regonna just be like, I don't
even want to go back there,you know what I mean, You just
want to stay away, But youknow, reality are I can't afford it
and be you know, you knowthat as your home, and to me,
it's it's an evasion in every kindof aspect and it shouldn't be.
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You know, they had their timeon the first you know, why are
they messing with mine? So Iwould definitely get them to get an experience.
Someone that's going to come back outseveral times, you may make sure
they know what they're dealing with,and to also find ways to help,
you know, get it done andtake care of it. And sometimes there's
things are just so bad, nothing'sgoing to take care It's just this is
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the way it is, and wedon't know why some questions they're not to
be answered. You know, there'sa lot of mystery and a lot of
I think we know, but there'sHonestly, if anybody says that's an expert,
I just don't think that's possible.And if it is, it's somebody
that should be very knowledgeable and alot of things you know. And I
feel for you, I really reallyfeel for you because I knew. But
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it's like, and I'm sure there'sthere's places I have worse than stuff going
on than I did, and Itotally get that, I really do.
But you know, I pray forthem and wish them the best of the
book. M M my and andm hm m m the people, the m M
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Were a lot of people here.It's stressful, very stressful. I truly
hope there's somebody living here. Iwould not be good. This place is
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crawling with dead people who have theability to affect the living in horrific ways.
And I think it will make youterribly ill, terribly ill live here.
And it makes me feel sick.What sort of stuff do you think
people would experience here? Men's voiceand arguing, seeing apparitions. Just watch
(02:53):
your step, geez, you won'tkidding. This really isn't funing. This
is probably the worst place. Ijust do not come down here. I
have terrible feelings, just dread,sadness, m pain. We were told
actually that slaves were kept down hereas well. Down here, Yes,
(03:15):
sir, have you ever seen anythingabout here? I've seen alpheritions, yes,
sir. I've seen um man withlike dark pants and it just kind
of walked across the floor and thisdisappeared a sou What are you actually feeling
right now, really nauseous, kindof lightheaded and dizzy, and you don't
(03:38):
have the okay, This week Ibring you the conclusion of my interview with
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a young mother named Tyley, whoappeared on an episode of The Dead Files,
an extremely popular show on the TravelChannel. I also recommend that you've
listened to the first episode of thisstory. So here's the conclusion to a
story I called the Cursed Land ofthe Dead. I'm surprised you lived there
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as long as you did. Ijust don't think I could have handled that.
I really don't well finances, youknow, after we've built the other
house financially, and see, Iwas a chef for a while for a
long time, and when the riverwas diagnosed autism, I was just so
exhausted. I couldn't do it anymore. You know, I just could not
(04:54):
go on two hours of sleep.I had went on that way for about
a year, and just finally Ihad to signed from my position. I
just couldn't work full time anymore.You know. It had taken so much
out of me, because not onlywas I trying to find my son again
out of the deep dark abyss ofautism, and yeah, I believe the
paranormal as well, that I wasjust drained. I was so drained,
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you know, bizarre accidents would happen. Troy's brother got shot accidentally on the
property right in front of the oldhouse. Um, they were shooting a
gun in the gun mouth function andthey thought that it had ejected the last
bullet. Well, the bullet actuallywent through Jesse and went through his long
puncture just one collapses long and it'slike one force of a millimeter away from
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his like in his spine and hisneck. I believe that I was killing
awful lot of tragedy, you know, you know, just a random thing.
Now, that's it. That islike a family home, right,
I mean it's like I think yousaid it was past. It's a generational
house. Yeah. Um. Theypurchased the Bresents Perch, just that part
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of property in nineteen thirty three.There's the threes again and have owned it
ever since and the boys will befour generation owners. So you know,
and sometimes I worry about if there'ssome kind of like bizarre curse on that
property or my boys going to beaffected. You know, I'm still affected.
I still have chronic illness, butnow if anything as he's will become
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more aware of paranormal issues, youknow, things that are going on.
And it's like I'm a medium ina sense and a sensitive and impath.
I could start like texting crazy stuff, like when his uncle had it got
really sick and we didn't know whatwas going on. We're at the hospital
and they had for some reason,it just came out of the blue.
I said, check his long andI think he has lung cancer. Doctors
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came back to know he doesn't haveno lung cancer. And so I went
outside and I talked to the position. I said, look, run the
tests again, do the tests again. I told him exactly where it was
at, told him the location ofit. And when they came back,
he pulled me out of the room. He said, how did you know
that? I said, I don'tknow. I just did right. You
know. It was weird. Wewould have times where we would leave,
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like from the house and have likeputrid smells. Okay, Troy would leave
from the house to go to youknow, go to work or something,
and I'd be at home and Iwould smell the same thing. He would
have the same thing in the vehicleuntil he crossed the bridge and it just
went away like a future smell ofvomit or you know, just disgusting sulfur
smells. Um that they had noreason to be there, right, that's
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outside. Day, night didn't matters, Like so many orbs in these pictures.
It was just crazy, Um,anybody that came down there that had
like ill intentions. I think someof the spears there had gotten protective over
me and the boys specifically. Theywould get like really sick pretty immediately.
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Yeah, but I guess I'm guessingyou probably didn't have too many visitors out
there. Did you have a lotof people come out or constant visitors?
You know, I think the firstfew years when we lived there, we
may have had some gatherings universities andstuff. And as time when on,
and I've got a point where Ijust didn't want people to come down.
I was so scared that they wouldtake things home with them, or they
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would piss something off and we'd payfor it, you know, and things
would fire up, you know,without a warning or anything like that.
And I just didn't want to putanybody else for its away. You know,
we were already taking the runt ofit, and I felt like,
you know, I'm not gonna dothat to anybody else if they're in a
punish And I felt like I wasa slave. I'm going to be very
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honest, like I had become aslave to that place and um and did
in so many work ways. Soyou know, I just felt like it
owned me, you know what Imean, like that property owned me.
There was no safe like if weplanned, like maybe trying to think about
league or something, you know,there was definitely ways that would keep you
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from doing something. And if wewould start talking like we are like different
people to try to help us,there would be like electrical disturbances, the
phone would start acting up, youknow, the phone would shut off,
and then the people couldn't call itback. You know. It was constantly
just a battle anyway you look atit, you know, and it gets
to that point you almost feel like, your god, this is going to
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kill me. I mean, it'salready tried to kill Troy several times.
It's it's one of these things thatyou know, is I mean, he's
cost the blood before and it's justreally bad, really sad, and then
that end up destroying our marriage becausehe wouldn't see pass the point, you
know, he knew it was haunted, and he knew that a lot of
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that stuff was caused by it.But I don't say, because of the
way it was passed down that hewould ever have the heart to move forward
and go somewhere else. I cansort of understand that, but then I
can't right now when I have totake yeah, because it's to me,
it's it's just a piece of property. I want to have boys down there.
I'd try and not stay there toolong. And there's still things going
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on there now. You know,my other dog got accidentally ran over UM
by my oldest done backing up andcost development ten thousand dollars and bet that
he had never done that before,never ran out the door like that.
And so my son did seem andaccidentally ran over and been a very expensive,
a very taxing place to be Um. As far as mentally emotionally,
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I've got PTSD now got to beour anxiety, which in the fiber Alga
has not gotten any better by nomeans, I got more issues if anything.
So it's just well, there's nocure. I'm glad I'm no longer
there, but I still own theproperty, you know what I mean.
And there's things that I would liketo change, but before I do that,
I would want one bad person thatcould get rid of everything and bring
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peace to it again. But Idon't think that's fun to happen. Yeah,
I think there's things there that it'sjust are just so old and it's
been there for so long because everysingle family that just lived on that property
has seen nothing but dread, bloodand tears. Yeah. Period. I
don't think there's too much you cando about that. It's just it's just
one of those things that it's justkind of the way it's going to be.
Yeah, I don't I don't thinkanybody. I don't think anybody can
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do anything. Hard thing to acceptit is. But so when did you
leave? What? When did youget away from the When did you leave?
The propect away from there? Yeah? When'd you get away? Um?
I left going on four years aga? So what was the what was
the moment? What I mean youhad lived there for you said what ten
years, eleven years? Whatever?What was it that made you go,
Okay, screw this, I'm gone. I can't take no more better and
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it just you know, I hadstarted, um, just trying my best
to get my things together as Ifinally wanted to get out of there.
Yeah, and you know, hehad a lot of control over troyded at
the time he had changed to hewas no longer the person that I had
married. He was somebody else.You know. He says, he's,
you know, be different now.But you know it's all good, be
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good. That touris laugh. Yeah, but we don't know, you know,
exactly what's going on with him either, you know. And that's the
thing that I feel like I haveto prepare my daughter for as well.
You know, we've been preparing forthat, and it's just one of those
things like today my son's my youngerson's a lizard passed away and you know,
now he's all upset about that becausehe's not very old. All kids
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get attach to their pets. That'sso, you know, just a lot
of stuff that's been very painful.But you know, like now I feel
that I don't know if I walkedaway with a stronger gift with the paranormal
now definitely much stronger home. It'sdefinitely made me a way more humble with
life. And it's just something thatyou can't let your imagination go too far.
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But sometimes that's a hard thing.The reception is everything you know day
to day life. But I feltlike I was being punished for being alive.
I really do. I'm glad you'reable to move out of there,
but yeah, that's definitely that's definitelyterrible. I still have to deal with
it in so many ways. Youknow, you have a lot have a
love for the property because it's beautiful. It is, it's very, very
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beautiful. But let me tay something. Where there's beautiful, beauty does not
mean there's not evil, right,And sometimes evil takes a long time because
it's feeding off of you to rearits locally hit right, and what its
goal is to destroy everything in sight, and that's what it pretty much does.
It just kept taking and taking wherethere's nothing left. And I believe
so many people out there that ifthey need any advice, they or feel
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free to contact me because I knowwhat it's right well from my experience.
And you tell people even today youtell me, you tell people about paranormal
experiences, and they look at youlike there's three eyeballs on you. So
a lot of people don't believe it. I mean, I can understand,
you know, if never felt likean oddball my entire life anyways. And
I've always had like a drawn tospirituality anyways for some reason, because I
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mean my first experiences is when Iwas very very young. I mean,
I'm severely abused for a very verylong time from pry about the age of
three to thirteen, and my brotherand I were severely beaten and stuff.
And you know, it's one ofthese things that I think sometimes you develop
a skeel or something to protect yourself, you know, maybe not to crush
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your soul, you know. Um, but I definitely look at things a
lot differently, and my perception isjust so heightened now. I have to
like find ways to turn it onand off, you know, and that's
sometimes hard. I have issues sleepingbecause I can hear things talking, I
see them, you know. It'sit's pretty scary. I can look at
a picture and somebody will ask meabout it, and I can I can
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text everything within the picture with abrief amount of time, and they're just
blown away by it, you know. And I believe it's just you know,
my experience is now on the propertyjust you know, just push things
through the roof now where bizarre It'slike a bizarre gift. Well, I've
heard of that scientists. To behonest, yeah, I've heard that people.
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Everybody kind of has the ability,some kind of spiritual ability. But
it's like when you get old,you kind of lose it because you don't
necessarily believe in it. Some peopleare able to keep it, I mean,
because I don't have anything like that. I mean, I've experienced some
things, but I don't have anykind of abilities of anything. I don't
see anything but my heightened. Mysenses aren't heightened. I don't think like
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yours are. And I do believethat there are people who do have that
ability, that have heightened senses,that they can pick up things, just
like I believe that. I'm notso sure about dogs, but well I
believe dogs, but I think especiallycats. I think cats pick up yet
spiritual too. In the property,and I kind of wished I would I
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had an outdoor cat. Um.But I can tell you something that was
bizarre last night. I have threecats with four chattles, but three of
them are personally mine and their namesWillow, Feeter, and Ivan. And
it was bizarre because they kept lookingupstairs where my son, you know,
my younger son had lost lizards today, but they kept looking upstairs. Yeah,
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It's like, why are they lookingbecause you know, he hadn't been
feeling good. Un listener hadn't beenfeeling good. But you know, maybe
just that we thought he was sheddingand that that was the deal. But
they kind of knew and also can't. Um, there's been a lot of
research on that, and they believethat they have an ability to keep that
things away, which is kind ofare leaving in my aspect because you know,
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I've got so many things that aredrawn to me. I don't you
know, I carry across, Isay my prayers, um, but some
things just you know, I thinkthey try to poke the bear, and
I really I'm just at this point, I don't I don't just jump off
and say, oh it's a goodgood or it's just a good entity,
you know, because where there's good, there's bad, and then there's evil.
I don't know, I don't thinkthere's really when you see their spirits,
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I'm not gonna say they're all evil, but I'm not I'm not certainly
not going to say any of they'renot. I'm not gonna say they're good.
Yeah, I won't say they're good. I'm not gonna say that either,
because I'd heard somebody say something onlong lines of any time anybody has
any type of spiritual experiences, theynever end well. They always they you
know, they just don't end well. They're not good experiences overall, well
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because because they've been touched in likepsychological you know, their soul has been
touched by the experience somehow somewhat.And like you know, you say right
now that you haven't experienced anything,but that doesn't mean you want in the
future, right you know, itcould be tonight tomorrow. But a lot
of times people that have had experiencesdo have reoccurring to shoot. I mean,
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you know, experiences, it justends, and some people can shut
it off. Maybe that's why I'vedone. Maybe that's why I don't know.
I mean, maybe I maybe Idid. I just I just I
don't know. But I don't seeanything. I don't I don't see her
here or anything. I mean,I just don't. Well, actually,
actually I take that back. Itake that back. I have to say
because me and my mother in law, Now let me tell you. Let
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me share a couple of stories withyou. My mother in law died in
twenty fifteen. She was a heavysmoker, so she had lung cancer.
She had COPD, she had shewas on an oxygen machine. I mean
about eight or nine ten days beforeshe died. She knew she was gonna
die. I sat in an apartmentwith her and we had this find this
real long conversation for about an hour, and she told me she's like,
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Mark, I'm gonna die. I'mlike, what, I might get out
of here. You're not gonna die, you know, people say that you're
just I was kind of like,oh, yeah, sure, you'll be
fine. She's like, no,I'm gonna die. It's it's my time.
I'm gonna be gone soon, verysoon. And it's just I just
know. And I said, soyou're good with everything. She's like,
yeah, I believed my life.I'm ready. I'm I'm I'm ready to
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go. And it's okay, I'mtotally at peace and I'm ready. And
she ended up dying about a weeklater, nine or ten days later.
But after she died, Okay,now this is really fucked up. Okay,
my ex wife and I and myex he my mother laws neighbor surely
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was her best one of her bestfriends. Now The thing is, we
came over, like I don't know, not long after she died, and
we were cleaning out of her apartmentand the three of us were there.
Well, the first thing I didwas come in there. I turned the
heat off because she always kept theplace really hot, and I, you
know, I think we all putup windows, lots of air in.
I turned the heat off, andit was September, I believe, so
I was like, you know,it's not we don't need the heat on.
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And so that was the first thingI did. And then we started
unpacking stuff. So I unplugged herphone. She had a landline, because
you know, all older people havelandlines. So I unplugged the landline the
electrical chord. I unplugged the chordthat you know goes into the wall to
the actual phone line. I wrappedboth chords. I wrapped both chords around
the phone. I put the phonein the box, and I'll be damned,
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about five minutes later, man,that phone was ringing by itself,
and me and my ex wife andthe neighbor were all like, oh my
god, what's going on? Howis that phone ringing? We were all
shocked. I'm like, oh,I guess i'd better answer it. So
I answered it after like the thirdor fourth ring, and of course there
was nobody on the line, butI knew who it was. I knew
it was my mother in law.I knew it was her letting me know
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she was okay. And then aboutI don't know, a half hour later,
you know, in the middle ofwhatever we're doing, all of a
sudden, the heat came on.Because I'm like, man, it feels
kind of starting kind of warming here. What's going on? You know?
And I heard I heard some clickingsounds, and I was like, what
the hell is that? And Iheard the heat come on. I'm like,
that heat is not on. Ijust I turned it off on myself.
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I know, I turned that heatoff. You know. We first
walked in here, I was like, the first thing I did. I
walked over and sure enough, nothingwas on by itself. It was creepy.
And then and then when she diedand we got somewhere, I've got
her nights stand and she used tosmoke in her room, and so when
I first bought brought her nights standover here, you could smell the cigarette
smoke on it real bad. SoI cleaned it up and you could still
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smell it a little bit. ButI figured, Okay, it'll dissipate.
So I sleep next to it everynight. I put it on my bed,
and even today, every once ina while, I'll smell. Now,
she's been gone, like I said, for going on four years,
so he shouldn't. I shouldn't besmelling any cigarette smoke coming off of that
thing. Every once in a while, i'll smell cigarette smoke coming off I'll
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smell it. I'll smell cigarette smokecoming off of that thing, and I
know it's her. So sometimes Iyeah. And sometimes in this house because
I live by myself, it's justme and my cat. Nobody lives here.
I've had three bedroom house, Ilive alone, and sometimes I can
actually feel her presence. I canfeel my mother in law in here.
You know, even though me andher daughter are divorced, I still feel
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like she's still looking out for mebecause me and my mother in law were
like best buds. I mean alot of people don't like their mother laws.
I love, absolutely love my motherand dot law to death. I
mean, she was she was mybuddy. I loved her to death.
I have done anything for her.Yeah, so we were always really close
and I've and I've told her daughter. I was like, you know,
I just feel like your mom's stilland I'm looking out for me sometimes,
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you know. So, but yeah, so I can't say I haven't had
anything, but I mean, butit's been kind of positive. It's not
really been like, oh, nothingbad. So yeah, you know,
but yeah, you know, Idon't know. I can't explain it.
Just like you said, I don'teven know. I don't even know what
to think about it. Why thesethings happen. Like I said, it's
kind of something that I wrestle withbecause of my biblical beliefs. I almost
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like don't want to say I believein ghosts, but I can't say that
because I've experienced them. It's justI just find it hard to believe because
I grew up being told that thatjust doesn't happen, you know, Yeah,
exactly. You don't see when youhave all these things that go on,
ye and you try to go toreach out to a past or something,
and they make you feel like crap, like you're doing something wrong,
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yeah, or they don't be doingwrong, or they just they don't they
don't believe you. So I'm kindof used to that telling people stuff and
it's hard, you know. Andlike I said, you know, I
reached out to neary worse people andyou know, try different things, and
just nothing never worked. I meannothing, And that kind of hurts.
You know, that that bothers youin ways that you know, because then
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you realize, well, I'm notgoing to have no key care ever.
Ever, so when you come torationalize that, you just you know,
I mean, I had to getback on my feet, pretty much lost
everything that I had except for thehouses and stuff and the land, but
I had to start all over,and so I ended up leaving and moving
into my brother's house for a while. So I got back on my feet,
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you know. And then now Ido pilative care nursing, which is
challenging in its own realm M.But you know, people passing doesn't bother
me anymore. You know. Ithink I've seen and witness things that a
lot of people can't do. Butspearially, you know, I know that
they're going to a better place,and the ones that behaved were good people,
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good souls. Um I'm not ohyeah, we're not if they're not
good people in life. I don'tthink they were going to be good people
or spirity. No, And that'ssomething that I definitely do believe in.
I just I don't believe that atyou can be an evil person, that
you could be like a Ted Bundyor Charles Manson and kill people whole bunches
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of people, or like even AdolphHitler, and that when you die that
you're gonna be good. You know, everything's gonna be good for you.
No. No, I think whatyou do here, if you're evil here,
you're gonna pay for it in theafterlife. I've heard stories from nurses
that have told me that, youknow, they were with somebody before they
died and the person was like freakingout, like yelling or screaming like oh
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no, no, no no,and then they just die like you know,
but they had like a terrified lookon their face, you know,
before they died, you know.So it's like it doesn't sound like they
went to a good place, youknow, and you know, that makes
evil think maybe I should be alittle bit more kinder. Maybe I should
pay it forward, right, MaybeI should volunteer and do something beautiful,
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you know, doesn't may take muchin this wife to do something kind and
beautiful. It helps this world bea bit of a better place. This
world so angry right now, especiallyyou know, our country, it's just
filled with hatred and you know,and ust not be that way. You
know, neighbors looked out for eachother. Now you can't even trust your
neighbor. No, No, Itried to, you know, tycho behind
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the door. Yeah, I there'sa lot of evil out there, and
that's really present right now in theUnited States. Just say that. It's
all you got people trying to legalizepedophilia because that is a way of life
for them. Yeah, we justwe talked. We talked about that in
our Bible study session a couple ofweeks ago. My pastor brought that up.
And I've read about a movement andyou know what, I hate to
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say it, but it's going tohappen, mark my words. It's going
to happen one day. Now.Hopefully, I hope, and I pray
to God that I don't live longenough to see that happen. But if
I don't, my grandson will probablylive to see that it'll happen. I
mean, I mean what angers meis that you know, I don't mind
I can treat everybody that the waythey treat me, I'll give them the
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favor back. And I respect everybody'sdecisions. I don't. I don't have
a you know, where I haveto be a certain way. I'm not
like that. I'm pretty open minded. But when you've got transgender children or
teenagers competing with girls, you knowthat's not right. Yeah, there's there's
a lot. There's a lot ofthe men it's going to be, and
it's just there that the world's gottenoff kilt. Yeah, it's so off
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kilt, you know, from moralsto value to everything. You know,
it's became a world of you know, all the smut that's on TV.
You know a lot of ghosts,these shows, you know, a lot
of it is Hollywood. A lotof it is to get raiding right.
And that's why I don't I'm alot of those. I don't watch them.
I really don't. I don't watchthem. I I kind of try
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to watch them after I don't thinkthat I experience. I don't believe it.
Yeah, because I I you know, we've saying nothing bad or anything,
but I was left a lot todeal with afterwards. And you know,
when you're my philosophy is if you'rebringing the dark arts to something that
you're trying to cleanse or get ridof. I just don't think that the
appropriate answer to things. You know, sometimes it takes a long time to
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figure it out. Sometimes you neverwill and you know have and somebody say
we'll just tear the house down andthat will solve all your problems. That
won't solve it because somebody, somebodyanything, because somebody will put something on
top of that. Even if youtore down that house, somebody's gonna put
something in the energy that was inthe home. Anyway, the problem if
somebody puts a business or another houseor condos on top of it, then
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yeah, it's gonna it's gonna staythere. I mean, it's it's in
the land. It's just that's justthe way it is. I mean,
there's evil and there's evil spirits thatjust stay here. And unfortunately a lot
of people just think that, wellI don't see it, I don't believe
it. They think if they can'tsee it, that it's not there or
they don't believe and it's like,well, yeah, exactly, but that's
it's it's there. It's there,even in the Bible, and I even,
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oh, that's been photoshopped or thatjust shape the camera or yes,
I would be like, First ofall, a lot of the pictures I
had taken was before strodostopt even existed. Second of all, why would a
lie? I mean, I couldn'tmake this crap up if I wanted to,
you know what I mean. Andthat's the hardest part. Yea.
You know they automatically, people automaticallyjump to judge for reading the entire story.
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You know, they look at thecover. Yeah, they probably deserve
it, or it's all in theirhead or just so that or the other,
instead of reading the whole entire storythat's so important, you know,
And people jumps at their own conclusionsand basically a lot of it's from perception
that they see on TV. Lifeis not Life is a reality, but
it's not a TV show. Well, you may have lines to go by,
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right, they have certain like numbersthey want to hit to keep getting
that show on the air. It'snot like that. Yeah, well you
figure when you make those programs thatmean you have to see something or because
people won't watch, so it's allabout you know rating. You know,
they have to get ratings, youknow, so they have to Hollywood.
Like I said, you know atthe beginning we first started talking, they
have to hollywood it up, soyou know, I mean, yeah,
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I don't know what people think whenthey watched these shows. I mean people
either think, oh my god,this stuff real or well it's like you
know other reality shows where you seeeverything became so fake. Yeah, and
they are. If it's a realityshow, then where the hell is the
real? Yeah, they're not.It's not that way no more. No,
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it's like rustling. Yeah, it'snot real. I mean I remember,
I'm old enough and you are tooto remember when wrestling, when you
remember back in the day, inthe eighties and the seventies, where you
thought it was real, and theyused to deny that it was fake.
They would always say, oh,it's real, it's real. But then
later on, eventually they finally cameout and then finally admitted to it that,
Okay, it's not real. That'swhy we call it entertainment. It's
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entertainment. It's not real rustling.But people used to think, and I
can remember being a kid believing itwas real. You know, when you
see people they hate each other,you thought this is real and it wasn't
real, but you thought it wasreal, and unfortunately. I think that's
what one of the things about seeingparanormal programs when you see them on TV,
and I think it's almost like thesame attitude with rust. People watch
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wrestling, they automatically well, oh, that's fake. So when they see
these ghost shows and there's a lotof them now I remember when they're used
only be a few. Oh that'sfakes, are fake, but there probably
is scripted. I mean, well, they know who's gonna win, and
time shows and slots and stuff.Well, they have a time limit and
win the exactly and they have theguy that's supposed to win and the guy
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that's supposed to lose, and thenthey know how long they're supposed to wrestle,
and then when the losers getting readyto lose, then then the winner
knows that make the right They dothe right thing, the right moves to
make the guy lose. So yeah, it's it's said paranormal shows come in
and that, and I'm not justjust barking in them. I'm glad they're
out there. But you know,like I would never cuts out spirit because
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I would never treat a living personthat way, if I'm going to aggravate
something, you don't know what you'reaggravating or pissing off first of all,
all right, and sometimes they canmake things so much worse because then you
have kids that are teenagers that aregoing to experience that because oh I'm going
to be spirit No, because letme tell you something. This stuff is
real and you can die from itand kill you in many different ways.
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Well, I think, you know, and slow agonizing that, Yeah,
it's not quick. You don't getrunner by someone. I mean, you
get people that live in those placeslike you've experienced, they get sick.
Those spirits make them sick, andyou know, they ended up with diseases
or illnesses and you know, anxietydepression. So yeah, everything you know,
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and I'm still you know, Iwill never be what I was before,
and I understand that, but there'ssome days, you know, I
feel like regretted staying as long asI did. But now I just feel
like a shadow of a person ofwhat I used to be, you know
what I mean, Right, itdoesn't it draw me down so far.
And I'm a very strong human being. I mean, after everything I've seen
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and dealt with there's not too muchthat I have it right. But that's
what I try to teach my kids. You know, kids are kids.
They're gonna say thing about other people, and I'm like, well, you
don't know what's going on at theirhome. You don't know what they're dealing
with, you know, not likethey're doing in school, but you don't
know. So just kind of likehow y'all live through things? Boys?
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Think about that, And when peoplewere picking on you'all fans that you were
full of crap because there's been familymembers down there. I mean, some
family members would have experienced, otherswouldn't, others would not. But here's
the thing, Maybe that the spiritrealm chose not to deal with them,
you know, because they knew thatyou know, they'd probably go crazy or
something. Yeah, yeah, said, I mean, there's there's there's a
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lot to it. I mean,it's I can't even explain, like I
said, even with my own experiencesI've talked to people, I can't.
I can't explain. I don't knowwhy it happened or I don't even know
what the heck it was about,you know, it just it's something that
just happened. It kind of Ididn't pick it. I guess it picked
me. I don't know. Andsee, that's something we'll never know,
(33:12):
you know, it was it atest, could be, could be for
us to broaden our way of thing. And that's the thing, you know.
I try to love people for whothey are, you know, not
what they have or not what they'reabout, but their soul. And I
try to see through all this othercraft. It's so fake and beauty is
not on the outside either, it'sin the inside. And I know some
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people know that, but some othersdon't, right, And it's become destructive
in so many ways because if ithasn't, our nation wouldn't be going through
the stuff that is right now.And I think a lot of that is
the blame from the TV shows makinglife seem so perfect and it's not.
It's not. It's hard. Well, what what's happening is easy a silver
(33:53):
spoon. We live in a nation, you know what I mean, We
live in a nation with no shame, that's right, and that's what's going
on. I mean, we weknow people don't have any shame anymore.
I mean, people just do whateverthe heck they want. No, I
mean, you know, it's peoplejust do whatever they want to do these
days, you know, I mean, I mean the stuff that I lived
(34:15):
through and went through down at Mark, I pretty much had lost my mind.
I had lost it a couple ofyears before that, but it just
kept getting worse and worse. Theonly thing that kept me going with my
baby, and they could see andfor whatever reason, they would have experiences.
The adult took the brunt of it. And that's what I would rather
(34:36):
that happen, right than go throughanything. You know, it was bad.
You know what my experience. Nowwhen you had when dead Files came
out, did you and your exhusband did you believe that they would be
able to help you or did youthink, oh, they're not gonna be
able to Yeah, we did.You were so you really were hoping and
praying that hey, these guys help. Really really was. But see this
is not to blame anybod It's not. You know, he's a very gifted
(35:00):
medium and Steve the Shabby is avery gifted um you know, researcher,
you know, ex police officer.And I really liked them, I really
did. And I was so hopeful. I was so hopeful. I really
really was. And you know whenthings went all to craft. After the
fact, it just it kind ofI think I must like kind of snapped
(35:22):
a little. I felt like therewas no end if this person had been
to so many places and you know, suggestively or perceptionally that everything was it,
you know. But now they saywe will help you if we can.
There's some things just not answers to, you know. I would love
to be able to like get agroup of scientists together, and a group
(35:42):
of skeptical people together, and paranormalpeople together. But I would want them
to see it for what it isand not make it up. And they
did tell our story, but theydidn't tell all the layers and layers and
layers that is actually it was there, you know. And and to be
honest stuff, I think that ifI would stayed there too much longer,
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I don't think I'd be here.Now that's pretty bad. Actually, I'd
either be in the nuthouse because Ihad a nervous breakdown. I was straight
up had a nervous breakdown and wastrying to steal function with things around me.
Did not go get any help,you know. And but what I
did do it brought me closer toGod and praying even though stuff still continued.
I you know, my faith wasrebuilt because it had done destroyed that
(36:28):
as well, you know what Imean, it had just annihilated that and
it just took it's still taking timefor me to you know, for my
anxiety not to get really you know, buffed up for you know, my
PTSD is it's controlled now, butit's controlled by medication. Unfortunately. You
know, it's one of these thingsthat it has left a mark and more.
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It wasn't just the one thing andthen it's gone. And I continue
to this very day to deal withthings that I still can't expertly say because
I'm not an expert. I've justlived through it, you know, and
it's a totally different thing when you'reactually living through something like that, yes,
versus just having brief experiences, right, you know, we're experienced totally
different, all right, because that'swhere I think people get caught up.
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You know, they want an experience. Let me tell you something. Be
careful what you wish for, becauseall sometimes you're not going to get what
you think you're going to get,right, You're going to get something that's
going to recomplete hell in your lifeand rip it apart. That's what some
of the evil ones and what we'vetalked about for demonic or act. It
doesn't matter if you're a Christian,you believe in God and you know you're
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a good person and all these things. Yeah, you're susceptible evil. It
doesn't matter. Like you just said, it doesn't matter how good person you
are, how good of a Christian. You're susceptible evil because evil's here and
it rules, and it's just notgoing to go away. All you can
do is pray and kind of hope, you know, it misses you if
possible. So yeah, I wantto hear people say that they wish they
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had they could live in a hauntedhouse, or they wish they could have
an a supernational experience, they wishthey could see it, or I'm like,
no, no you don't. They'llsay that, yeah, or just
to get a minute of skill,you know, like scared and thrilled,
you know, because of the adrenal. Oh no, no, no,
no, it's just it's not likethat. When you're living in them constantly,
(38:19):
you're staying on like an edge.You change, you become withdrawn,
you become depressed because you feel likehe's going crazy, literally breakdown. It's
like you know, and some peoplethat had visited the property before, I
remember them saying, well, nothingnever happened to me down there. It's
like, well, shoot, Iwish, but there were so many that
(38:40):
did you know here the piano planand the piano room. You know,
hearing creaking floors, doors open,the doors shutting, uh, you know,
hearing laughter and then hearing you know, crazy voices, people screaming music.
You know all these explanations that Imean, you know examples with no
nation, Where did it come from? Where to come from? Well,
(39:01):
I mean just because you visit,you're not necessarily going to see anything.
I mean, if you live therefishing, it's like fishing, you're taking
a chance of catching something or nothing. It's just the way it goes.
It's and there's no guarantee to doanything. And as far as provoking a
spirit, absolutely not. If youhave a truly haunted place, Duck does
(39:23):
want to go on around the clockwith whatever they decide to do. Some
can be like a residual haunting,and some can be like a where you
hear the same thing at the sametime and you know it's repetitive, but
it's so much more than that becareful. And that's what one thing I
do know, I want people torealize is that they have got to be
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careful because I didn't do anything toprovoke anything. It was just like that
from the beginning, you know.And I think it's been that gap for
hundreds of years because just from thehistory alone, there's just so many tragedies
that to the point where you're like, h right, a whole lot of
abnormal of the amount, you know, so yeah, you just yeah,
you don't even want to tempt faith. You know. I've talked to other
(40:07):
people and I've said, for instance, Okay, I don't do the bloody
marrything. I don't have a board. I don't do the Luigi board.
I don't have one, I don'twant one, seances, I will not
the tarot cards. I don't doany of that stuff. I do none
of it. I don't even wantto open the door or you know,
(40:28):
invite anybody in. But you opena door with don't messing any of those
things. If you're invoking it andgiving it power, then it's fun to
absolutely show up. I mean,I've seen I've seen people like because I'm
on several different paranormal boards, andI love them. And I've seen people
talk about, oh, I've neverhad a Wigi board or I want to
(40:51):
do that. You know, it'slike no, I you know, and
they're like, oh, it's notreal, it's not I'm like, no,
it's just the toy. I'm like, no, it's not just the
toy. It's it's not even aboutthe It's not yeah, it's it's spirit,
right, And it's they're like,well, I bought it. I
bought it at Walmart, or Ibought it at kmart. It's it's like,
what, it's not about that toy, It's right, It's what when
(41:15):
you go on there and you starttrying to communicate with a spirit. I
mean, if there's a spirit around, whether whether it's a two dollar toy
or whether it's a homemade well,it doesn't matter. I mean, it's
not even about that toy, right, right. And and they can come
in through a toy, and theycan come in through objects. They can't
(41:37):
do that. They come in Imean, spirits can come through paintings,
um, toys, books, Imean, there's a there's a lot of
different ways it can come through.And you know, people but people always
go, oh, it's just thetoy. I've heard that it's just the
toy. I mean, white,how come I can buy it bookshelf or
(41:58):
cut dresser. I mean at onetime that their antique there were someone else.
You better hope that you hit somethingpretty good. Yeah, well see
if there's an attachment. Yeah,And I've heard stories and read about a
lot of stories about people who wouldbought stuff from like antiques that are one
hundred years old, and you know, and there's something connected to it.
(42:20):
As a matter of fact, Iwrote a column about a chest that was
built by a slave and the masterdidn't like the work. The chest was
supposed to be a gift for hiswife or something, and he ended up
murdering Well, I guess it wasn'tmurder because they could do what they wanted
with the slaves. But he endedup killing this slave. And this now,
this slave was like a carpenter orsomething. But the slave was beloved
(42:43):
among the other slaves because he ownedlike a big plantation or something. But
everybody loved this slave. I meanhe was a very kind gentle man that
was just popped with it with everybody, and everybody liked him. And I
guess he was a skilled carpenter.He had a gift for being able to
build things with wood or whatever withhis hands. So after the plantation owner
murdered him, UM, a bunchof other slaves that believed in voodoo,
(43:06):
I believe, got together and theyput a curse on him, on the
family of the plantation owner, andthey said that anybody, anybody, they
put a curse on the chest,and they said anybody that uses that chest
will suffer immensely. And I don'tthink the plantation owner knew it. And
if you know about the curse onthe chest, or if he did,
he probably didn't believe it. Sohe just went ahead and started using it.
(43:28):
And apparently all these bad things startedhappening to people who had it.
So eventually the Kentucky Kentucky has it. It's um. They put it up
like in one of their I thinkit's in a government facility. They actually
have stored away so nobody can useit. And in my column, my
(43:49):
column, leaving my column, Iput the I list the list words at
and the number that's has been assignedby the state of Kentucky that they assigned
to that item. So and that'sa real chest and they won't even let
anybody touch it. And there's ayeah, and there's all right. And
there was a column that I wrote, another column that I wrote about a
(44:10):
chair. It's called the Busby chair, where a man was hanged over that
chair because he would go to thistavern in England and he when he came
into the tavern, everybody knew thatthat was Busby's chair. So if somebody
was sitting in his bar stool,they had to get their butt up because
that was where he sat and didhis drinking. And he came in I
(44:31):
guess every day. He was aregular. Well apparently somebody was sitting in
there or something happened. I don'tremember what. He's all the like I
said, I wrote a column aboutit, but there were some kind of
details and he ended up murdering somebodyand he was sentenced to be hanged.
But he put a curse on thatchair. He said, anybody that sits
on that chair, you know they'regonna die. You know, I put
(44:52):
a curse on him. I don'twant anybody ever sitting in a chair again.
And people sat in it, andthere was a bunch of documented cases
for years. Even pilots in WorldWar Two, these pilots who came in
who were in the Air Force,that British Air Force, had sat in
it and they didn't come home whenthey went off the war. They did
not make it home people who satin that chair. So it got so
(45:14):
bad that that people because the peoplewere like didn't believe it. They didn't
believe it, Oh that's a bullcrap, I want to sit in it.
And all these people just kept rightand they would sit in it and they
would end up dead within a shorttime. And I think the last person
to die was like a mailman.And what happened was the pub had taken
it away and put it down inthe basement or something. They put it
(45:35):
away because they were just tired ofit people dying sitting in it. So
I think this mailman or ups guyor some kind of delivery me has sat
in it, you know, andthis was like a I guess a modern
time deal. And he didn't thinknothing of it, and I think he
ended up getting killed in a caraccident or something. And then the owner
or the pub just said, that'sthe last straw, you know, we
have to get rid of it.So they ended up donating it to a
(45:57):
museum and they put the chair upon a wall. It's hanging on a
wall, and I've seen pictures.There's pictures of it on the internet,
and it's in a museum and it'sactually put up so nobody will ever sit
in that chair again, because that'sa cursed chair and everybody's ever sat in
it has died. You know.It's just like that chess that's locked up
in Kentucky, you know. Soit's like, you know, hey,
(46:17):
these things are real. I mean, come on a chair where you can't
sit in a chess that they don'twant anybody using it? Are real if
you give it power to be.I mean, think about it. Say
that that's putting perception in everybody's mind. But however, if there's a reason
why they have a saying the curiositykilled the cat, you know what I
mean. And if you think aboutit, whatever we put out into the
world comes back, it could useit comes back three fold or worse.
(46:42):
It's just it's it's there's a certainlaw we have that we need to understand.
And I think, you know,put negative energy out to come back
to you, And yes, Ido that when I'm having a bad day,
but it will come back in oneform or another. So you know,
it's it's hard to even a manand something like that. But curses,
you know, there's parts in theBible where it talks about you know,
(47:06):
family curses and stuff like that.You know, scary, but it's
real. Yeah, that thing,it's real. It boils down to evils
real and there's always going to beevil in this world. So all right,
well, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this last
question. What would you say toanybody that is having an experience with supernatural
(47:27):
somebody that's maybe they don't want totell anybody because there they don't want anybody
to think they're crazy. But whatwould your advice? Yeah, but I
mean what would you tell them todo? Would you tell me to do?
Let's you tell me get a prettystuff. If you're really truly having
that and you're not having any othermental health or haven't had any other mental
health at all, you know,unless there's something some kind of trapp traumatic
(47:47):
event that's taken place that I cankind of set things off as well.
I mean, it's I think youneed to get with experts in the paranormal
somebody that will come back several timesthat you just can't do it once or
twice. It doesn't work that way, especially for severe haunting. Now,
some things all easy, breezy,just a cleansing and it's gone, you
know. But if it's a badcase, you know, it's not that
(48:09):
simple, and you better be readyto roll your sleeves up. And yes,
it'll be harder. Some days you'regonna just be like, I don't
even want to go back there,you know what I mean, You just
want to stay away, But youknow, reality are I can't afford it
and be you know, you knowthat as your home, and to me,
it's it's an evasion in every kindof aspect and it shouldn't be.
(48:30):
You know, they had their timeon the first you know, why are
they messing with mine? So Iwould definitely get them to get an experience.
Someone that's going to come back outseveral times, you may make sure
they know what they're dealing with,and to also find ways to help,
you know, get it done andtake care of it. And sometimes there's
things are just so bad, nothing'sgoing to take care It's just this is
(48:52):
the way it is, and wedon't know why some questions they're not to
be answered. You know, there'sa lot of mystery and a lot of
I think we know, but there'sHonestly, if anybody says that's an expert,
I just don't think that's possible.And if it is, it's somebody
that should be very knowledgeable and alot of things you know. And I
feel for you, I really reallyfeel for you because I knew. But
(49:15):
it's like, and I'm sure there'sthere's places I have worse than stuff going
on than I did, and Itotally get that, I really do.
But you know, I pray forthem and wish them the best of the
book. M M my and andm hm m m the people, the m M
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