CFL Week 15 Results + Reactions! Winners and Losers From CFL 2024 Week 15!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Well here we are back here Monday afternoon, back on time.
This week's schedules allowed. We'll talk through some programming notes
here in a minute. Welcome everybody. It's always fun. I
get logged into stream yard here and then there's like
a thousand different changes and new updates and stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think we are okay.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
We have Jason standing by, I have dark mode now,
lots of options on the stream yard.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Jason, how are you doing, sir?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Doing good read? Thanks for having me as always. Let's
talk some football.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, happy victory Monday.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
You Jason clean the clocks out of the Dolphins here
earlier last week. Not as much stress over the weekend,
but we have victory for the Commanders. We didn't even
need to score a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
We won.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Appreciate that we have a lot of you know, it's exciting.
I was working last week coming back from a destination wedding.
Miss kind of didn't get my full Sunday kind of
sit down, be able to be over things. So I
appreciated that had my Sunday ticket going with YouTube and
all that stuff. If you can't tell Vampion a little
bit today, we have three games to talk through. We'll
get through all of that stuff. CFL Week fifteen in

(01:37):
the books. Please like it, subscribe, but we're going to
give away a UFL custom jersey for more retchos a
CFL custom jersey once we hit four thousand subscribers. Looks
like we will be having some UFL news tomorrow. The
Professor Andrew Murray and I, I think we'll be streaming
at two o'clock. I think what works for him the
announcements in the morning, but I'm not going to make

(01:59):
Andy stream mid eight in.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
The morning with the UFL schedule earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Server the hell else is going on, Jason, But we
will be doing that and then probably going to take
a couple of week hiatus here. I got to go
to Atlanta next week and then Texas again for these
interviews the week after.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
That, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
It might be kind of mid mid October before we
get back in the swing here.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
But we'll do this today.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
We'll touch base and maybe it's good to get the
Lions kind of out of my life for a couple
of weeks here, and then we'll talk to UFL tomorrow
and then we'll get everything else going.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Jason. Three games this weekend.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
We talked kind of preview last week, you know, weird,
just one of those scheduling quirks. How did the games
go for you this weekend? Pretty exciting, especially your tie Cats.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, certainly I thought that it was a very unpredictable weekend.
And my main takeaway is that everybody is still alive
at this point of the season technically. I mean, even
if Hamilton and Calgary that they're like, you know, long
shots to make the playoffs of this, but by winning
this week and are tying Aurey's case, they stay alive
for another week. And I think that's a sign of

(03:05):
what things have been like this season in the CFL,
where the team's the top versus the teams at the bottom,
it's a lot closer than it has been in recent years.
So I think that's been big for the league and
a great sign for the season.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think it is, and I think it's been We've
gotten a lot of comments on here really excited that way. Obviously,
we still have winning pig here leading the West a
little bit more rint and repeat that way, but it
does feel like, you know, at least the last couple
of seasons we've done this and things were really kind
of locked in coming down the stretch and you know,
good to see Hamilton having some fight in them. I
saw I liked in the recap today. Was catching up

(03:41):
this morning Rod Smith showing throwing some shade of the
tie Cats fans on the recap. He's like, well, you know,
you just got to play every game at a time,
and well, if you're the tie Cats, you don't have
any other option. You're gonna need to live throughout that
man like Rod is pretty you know, I like Rod
taking some shots at the CFL, you know, the tie
Cats fans, but exciting that way.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
It was good, you know, frustrating here.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
We'll talk to the Lions kind of all that stuff
we were messaging you at the beginning, kind of figure
it out everything for today and you go, well, it's
three games.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
We're gonna have to vamp. I go, but we have ties.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
We had to tie again, Jason here, almost back to
back ties. How often historically is this is this happened
in the CFL, especially the I think it was Derek
Taylor posted today like it only happened X number of
times in Calgary and Hamilton were involved in all of them.
So kind of walk us through because it's not as
it may be a little more uncommon than we think.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh yeah, absolutely so. I think the last tie before
this season was in twenty eighteen. I believe it was
a Calgary Audible tie. And it's Calgary and AUDIWA that
had been involved for since two thousand and seven and
every single tie that's happened in the CFL, and I
believe it was two thousand and seven that also had
two ties, the last year that there were two ties,

(04:58):
So it is a very rare runs in the CFL.
But I mean, I was arguing with some people on
Facebook today about, you know, because people think it's wrong
for a football game to end in a tie, but
it really doesn't bother me too much because it doesn't
happen all too often, and I think in a lot
of these cases, both of those teams don't deserve to

(05:19):
win those games. So I think at the end of
the day, you know, it doesn't really bother me too much.
I think it's really doesn't happen enough to be something
that people complain about.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well, as I would say, my hockey fandom has basically
numbed me to the idea of being upset about the
tie because so many hockey games go down and you
get the overtime loss or the overtime win, and then
you'll get one point versus two in the standings that way.
And so maybe if I would have had a different
opinion four years ago or whatever, before we got in

(05:49):
the crack and here, I might have had a different take.
But so many of the times, really in the standings,
you're grasping for that point or whatever and kind of
needing the ties to kind of break up that stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So it doesn't bother me as much. It was funny.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Hey, don't argue with people on Facebook. It's really not
worth your stress level. Because I'm watching the game this
sort because you know, I knew BC lost, I knew
Hamilton won, and I'm sitting there and I'm like, I
just had kind of forgotten, you know, with my weddings,
and I'm like, okay, I don't there's no way in
the world Montreal loses this game to Calgary. Like, I
don't care, there's no way, and hey, love hold they

(06:22):
didn't lose the game. They lost in the time. But
I just, uh, that was a wacky game. We'll talk
through that as well. I didn't really seem like anyone
wanted to win that game for a while. A lot
of turnovers, I don't know, to me, the overriding kind
of story of the weekend as we look, even as
we have Bryce Young today here being announced that he's
going to be bench for the Panthers, Like here he

(06:42):
had Jake Mayer come back out play a pretty decent
game after being at you know, bench last week. What
was that Logan Bonner? Right, we have Levi is still
playing well, like a lot of this you know, quarterback carousel,
and I want to get your thoughts on the Lions
here with Brendan Adams and all that, but it seems like,
you know, here we're week fifteen, we're still kind of

(07:03):
trying to tweak that stuff out with this, you know,
just weird how it kind of is cyclical that way.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, for sure, I feel like, you know, the quarterbacks
have been very interesting this year in the CFL. Obviously
dealt with a lot of injuries throughout the league with
a number of teams, but also situations like Calgary where
the incumbent quarterback has struggled and he's kind of boom
ranked back into the starting position. So it'll be interesting
to see what teams guys. What do you call what

(07:34):
guy teams ride with down the stretch. I think it'll
be really interesting to see in some cases, particularly BC.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well, and I totally forgot too. Yeah Mozzoli. You had
Mozzoli appearance for ju Brown, you know. So I mean
we're seeing this kind of all around and just trying
to get sparks. Let's talk through BC Toronto. I was
at SmackDown. Was here Friday. We went to SmackDown and
I was watching the Mariner game and I had the
phone on at the bar waiting for Dorothy to come.
Disappointing loss, especially you know, when BC's fighting for the

(08:05):
number one spot. We talk here, Hamilton obviously still still
playing like they have a lot to prove or play
for in terms of pride, even if nothing else in
the standings.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's bizarre to me, and.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
I have a hypothetical we'll go through in a minute here,
but it's bizarre to me here with this deep into
the season that you just can't count on BC for
kind of any of it. Like, Okay, we're back home,
we're doing the seventy fifth anniversary, we got the gun belt,
we got all this kind of stuff, and then they
just totally, you had messaged me Friday. I can't believe
I stayed up to watch this obviously late on the
on the West coast, you know, timey wise general thoughts

(08:38):
of the game.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, so I was very disappointed with the effort for
this game from the Lions. I think that I came
on this show last week and I said they have
a very good chance to finish first in the West.
But you know, it didn't take one week for them
to kind of blow my confidence in them. I think that,
you know, considering how down Toronto looked against Ottawa, I

(09:02):
expected BC to come out, especially at home, and win
that game, but unfortunately, they just seemed off right from
the beginning of that game. I think that Nathan in particular,
just did not look his best in this game at all.
Like it felt like it took them into like the
second quarter before they could even really get a first down.
So it was very disappointing effort from them. Their defense

(09:24):
was able to hold the RGOs to some field goals
in the first half that kind of made the score
look a little bit more respectable by the end, but overall,
just really poor effort by the Lions, and in particular
I thought that it was a really poor game for
Rick Campbell, the head coach. I think that fifty seconds
into the game, I believe it was the first minute
of the game, he throws a challenge flag and it

(09:45):
was one of those calls that could have went either way.
It was one of those pass interference calls. But why
risk losing your challenge? Admitutated the game. I feel like
it's just not worth it from a risk reward perspective,
And sure enough he lost the challenge and he was
out of it for the rest of the game. And
then he decides to make that bizarre decision to put
rourkean or sorry Adams in to start the second half

(10:06):
after Nathan Rourke, who did struggle like I said, in
the first half, but his last drive of the first
half he leads a touchdown drive, so I'm thinking, like,
maybe he can get some momentum going to start the
second half. Nope, let's put Bernon Adams in, who they
said like before going into this week that they would
reevaluate the quarterback situation after the bye week. So I

(10:27):
thought there was no way we're going to see Vernon
in this game. Regardless of how it turned out. Thought
they were going to give Nathan the full sixty minutes,
but I guess not. And then Bernon obviously didn't provide
much of a spark either, So just disappointing all round
for the Lions.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, it was weird, and I'll pull up here, we'll
get to kind of the you know, the actual stats
and kind of all that stuff. It is weird, and
like with the challenges, it's so bizarre, just because obviously
my wife's a bigger college football fan than I am,
was more interested. Washington State played University of Washington this
week again they had the Big Apple Cup, and it's

(11:02):
it's always weird for me.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
How to watch a lot of college football.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
I'm kind of okay watching that, or watch the CFL,
watch the NFL, and you know, with college like you
can get it feels like they get the ball eighty
seven times each per game, Like there's just a lot
of back and forth and you're not really going to
have these like game ceiling drives all the way down
the field where you feel like in the NFL sometimes
like oh my god, the Chiefs got the ball, there's
seven minutes left, like they could just take.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
It all the way down.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Score game over, I fail that way with the CFL
a little bit too, Like you're going to get the
ball back, you're going to get a stop, all you
need is want to drop pass, and so like I
agree with you the whole like, well, we got a
challenge here, Like I think having that down the stretch
is more important to me than kind of interrupting.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
A drive so early in the game.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
That way, it is frustrating, Like you said, when you
look at Toronto last week, when you look at how
terrible BC looked as a Mariner fan this season and
as a Commander fan, you know, this season's a little
different obviously with Jane Daniels and all of that. But
I'm used to having like the get right games be
against us.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Right, Like the Mariners will face a rookie pitcher has never.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Faced anyone before, will strike out, you know, a nine
or ten getting nine or ten strikeouts, you know before
they're polled, or like you know, they'll have a career
best or you know, career lowest whatever. Against us. It
always seems that we're the get right game for the Giants.
As bad as their season looks, it always feels like
they come.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
In to luckily we won yesterday.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
You know that was you know, any different obviously now
with kind of the new regime.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I'm used to that.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
And yeah, it was so frustrating to have you know,
Jack Kelly come in watching the recap again today.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
I don't think in the in the what they.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Had posted on YouTube, I don't think BC had the
ball for the first six minutes of the recap, you know,
of the game from Friday night.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was all Toronto and Toronto and Toronto and field
goal and this and that.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'm like, I mean they think, I mean, it was
just it was just such a weird kind of dichotomy,
that way kind of balance. And it is frustrating because
here's someone you know, they talk all the time. It's
horrible beat travel at East and all this. I don't know, man,
you got Toronto coming into your house. It's laid on
a Friday. Let's use some of this momentum. But just
feels like, you know, this elusive home field advantage. I

(13:10):
don't know if BC ever really feels like that they're
utilizing out.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
All the way.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Yeah, I don't really get the sense that from watching
the game's at least on TV. I've never been to
BC place in person, obviously going to be there for
the Great Cup this year, but it never seems like
it's a you know, a very loud stadium to play
in despite its size. It feels like, you know, that
the atmosphere is really lacking when you watch it on TV.
And maybe that's why some teams feel very comfortably comfortable

(13:40):
going in there and playing a football game. So you know,
maybe that there's something to that, But you know, ultimately
I think that Toronto I think just given the fact
that they had such a poor week last week and
even how bad that they looked, I thought that, uh,
you know, maybe they did have a bounce back back

(14:00):
in them, but I thought that, you know, BC should
have been you know, like they're a team that was
expected to be a first place team in the West
this year. I think they're a team that's shown the
highest ceiling of any team in the West this year.
So I thought that they were going to take the
Bowl by the horns and kind of run with it,
especially after beating Montreal last week. So again, just a

(14:23):
really disappointing performance by the Lions and I really don't
have much more to say about it from that perspective.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, we'll get like we get, we'll laugh the type
the game was bat a little bit. But my hypothetical
for you is if I'm if I'm a mar Doman
and I understand that Lamar is not you know, he's
not like a Jerry Jones where I'm in there, I'm
really meddling with the player personnel of the Cowboys or whatever.
But if I'm a mar Doman and and you're Rick Campbell,
and I come up to you and I go, we

(14:50):
just brought back Nathan Warke. We're paying them two hundred
and fifty thousand this year, paying them eight hundred thousand
in the next two years.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Why'd you mention it? Half?

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Like? What is like, if you're Campbell, we needed the spark.
I mean, is that it right?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Is it worth inviting in this whole Like there's already
been talks and Okay, Vernon and I understand Vernon's cool
with Nathan. I understand Nathan's cool with Vernon. But at
the end of the day, we're competing for the same spot.
And I've noticed they've tried to be really cute see
about like, oh, we've got food deals. I'm like, oh, look,
here's Nathan and Vernon like see they're together. It's all fun,
but you're inviting that whenever you're going to bench your

(15:27):
starting quarterback, especially when I just I'm curious if you're
if you're Rick Campbell and I'm Amar Doman, and I'm
asking you that, what is your rationale if you have
any Maybe you don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Well, like I said, I wouldn't have plugged Adams in
this game, especially given the fact that they said that
before the game that they would re evaluate the whole
quarterback situation after their bye weeks. So I really didn't
understand the decision at all. From Rick Campbell's point of view, Yeah,
I get it, you want to get a spark, but
you know, play a quarterback that hasn't played in what

(15:59):
like six weeks now, you know, and expecting him to
come into the game, albeit like a guy that has had,
you know, a lot of success in this league. I
just didn't think that was the right decision for the Lions.
And I think you're right. If I was a Mare Doman,
I'd be pretty disappointed with the results we've seen from
this team this year. I believe they've already have more

(16:21):
losses than they've had last year. I believe they were
like twelve and six, thirteen and five last year and
have to check. But seven losses already this year. It's
been a pretty disappointing regular season in a Great Cup
hosting year for them. So I would like to point
to other areas of the team as well, But the
quarterback position just seeing as you have too like guys

(16:42):
that are seen as really two of the top four
or five guys in this league. It's it's disappointing to
see where they're at at this point of the season.
And yeah, they need to get that right and get
hot down the stretch if they if they want to
still have that dream alive about winning the Great Cup
at home.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean just from a from a player personal stable,
like I just I don't know what else you need here,
Like I don't know what else you need. Like you
said you got two of the highest paid quarterbacks in
the league, you bringing Matthew Betts, You've got stand back,
like you've tried to address all these things, and I
just don't understand, Like what else in the world do
you possibly need.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's like, you know, to go back to baseball. It's
like the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I'm like, Oh, they're going to be on this guy
at the free agency or this guy the trade themline.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
You're like, you.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Spend a billion dollars in free agency in the offseason.
Like I don't understand, like what on the earth you
could possibly need here to try to get over and
like Toronto is not a good.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Team right now.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
You just came out you beat Montreal at home last week, right,
I mean, it feels like you're building momentum there in
terms of consistency, not any of that.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm looking here at the at the game.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Notes and we can kind of dive down a little
bit here to this, but like I didn't realize obviously
kind of what catching up today whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean, they didn't move the ball at all. I mean,
you got Nathan six.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
To twelve for one ten he ran for another, I
mean nine one one carry on that stand back is
almost a it exists, Like I just I don't even
know what you did for sixty minutes of football here.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Well, they they definitely Toronto definitely got a lot of
pressure on Nathan Rourke. I think that's one thing I
forgot to say. I think that you know, that was
one thing that was really evident from the first snap
of the game that BC was just not prepared to
play this game from a physical standpoint. I believe they
give six sacks in this game, and when you're gonna

(18:26):
give up six sacks, you're not gonna win many football
games playing like that. But I think, you know, some
of that was on Nathan as well. I think, you know,
getting the ball out quicker, generating the easy yards. It
didn't seem like they were being able to generate that
place necessary to stay on the field early in the game.
So I think that's a big reason why the game

(18:47):
kind of got away from them as we got into
the second quarter there. And like I said, Toronto had
a few field goals. I think the first four you know,
scoring drives ended in field goals, so it made the
game look a lot closer. But Toronto, you know, put
punches the ball into the end zone because they were
moving the ball that entire game. You know, it would
have been a much bigger blowt for for Toronto in

(19:09):
this game. So yeah, that's one thing I definitely noticed
was the big disadvantage in terms of the trenches, and
that's been a perennial problem for PC. I think their
offensive line problems have really sprung up again this year,
especially the last handful of weeks since Nathan's gotten back.
So something the watch down the stretch here, especially when
they start to play you know, Winnipeg and other teams

(19:32):
like that in these playoff games. So yeah, it's it's
definitely a concern for the Lions.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, I mean you look at there's twenty one minutes
of field possession, like sin, I mean, you know, you
got you know, three fourths in the game, you don't.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Have the ball in your like just remarkable that way.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Like we were just talking at the start, you know, CFL,
you do feel like you go a little bit more
of that back and forth. But yeah, for Toronto, just
totally like drive down and keep the ball that way.
Do you think Chad looks like I mean, we've kept
being critical about him the last few weeks and really
trying to get back after his you know, suspension.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
And kind of all that.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
You know, how had the decent game here at least
outline wise. What did you make of his performance?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Oh? We lost. It looks like we lost.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Jason yer Wall talk through this for a minute here,
We'll get Jason back on it. I think he has
some Internet issues.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
To me, Chad looks a little bit better, a little
bit like less uncomfortably as he has the last few weeks.
That really feels like he's really, I don't know, kind
of hurry up often, hurry up studying here, trying to
get back in and kind of figure out what he
wants this to look like with the Argonauts moving forward. Obviously,
Cameron Duke's played decently for Chad kind of in his stead.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Uh, let's let's see Jason here.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
We were talking Chad Kelly, kind of your thoughts about
you know, we've been critical about him recently.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Yeah, definitely a guy that showcased his talent in this one.
I felt like, not a guy you want to heat
praise on. You know, it's given his his personal action,
but I think he definitely does possess the talent to
uh to succeed in this league, and you saw it
on full display in this game. He has the mobility,
the big arm. It really stands out when you see

(21:11):
him on a Canadian Football League field when you watch
these other quarterbacks. So you really did see him really
put it all together and have a huge bounce back game.
Makai Polk has really turned into a nice player for
them in the receiving corps. He had a massive game.
Looks like he has some nice you know chemistry with Kelly,
which is huge down the stretch because you know they've

(21:32):
they've lost some guys in that receiving cores over the
last couple of years or since last year, I should say, so,
I think that you know, they really need to continue
this going forward. But Toronto, like, if they get their
stuff together and they play like this, this is a team.
I think we were talking after the show last week
that I could see going on a run this year.
I definitely think that this is still a very talented

(21:54):
and scary football team that just hasn't been playing their
best the last few years. So the last step weeks,
so I think, you know, if if Toronto can just
piece a couple of weeks like this together, I think
people will start taking them a little more seriously. When
they comes to you know, the overall playoff discussion.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Well and it is you know, they were in that
weird position with the Chad Kelly of it all where
basically is like they started their season was it three
weeks ago or whatever it was.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
My mouth is all screwed up.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
It's basically like they needed to exist long enough for Nate,
for for Chatt to get in. It kind of felt
like the Lions was at two seasons ago, where like
we needed tread wather with Vernon long enough to get
Nathan back and then we'll kind of figure out whatever's
going on. And that's what's so frustrating because you know,
for BC, you know, even without the Nathan thing of

(22:44):
it all, you really didn't address the backup position at all,
the back of the quarterback position. You know, Vernon was
going to go out right, you got rid of you know,
pre cop right, you got dollg Allay in there.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
He's not great.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
No, I don't even know who I mean, should I
know who the hell Chase the Bryce is? And did
we get a didn we get a siding from him
a couple of weeks ago, But like I just it.
But just in terms of like, you know, adversity over
the season, whether it's self inflicted or not, Toronto's had
heaps of it, you know, coming off of and all
the people they lost on the off season. We've talked

(23:15):
about that going into the year and they've had to
kind of rebuild and then the whole chack kelly of
it all, Like you know, what's BC's excuse to this point,
Like you've been more or less, you know, kind of
chugging along here for I mean, obviously you're gonna have
your seasonal injuries like everyone else and Vernon and all that,
but like, I don't know, just like you said, Toronto,
if they're kind of getting their stuff together right now,
whether they won game behind Ottawa here eight and four

(23:37):
and seven and six, I mean, you know, the bye
weeks and kind of all that stuff, but yeah, they're
right in this and you go into Ottawa, they can win.
I mean we didn't. We got we saw them got
their clocks cleaned last week. But I mean that's certainly
a competitive game, that are you. So you're pretty bullish
on Toronto still had no.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I would say, so. I think I was a little
concerned going into this week because I thought, be like
like you said, I thought BC was gonna take this one.
I thought that, you know, b C was gonna be
rotting high coming off that win against Montreal, whereas Toronto
was gonna be a little bit in the dumps after
losing against Ottawa last week, but you know, they were
able to put it all together in this one and

(24:16):
started to look a little bit more like that team
from last year. And you know, basically last year, the
entire year, they were the consensus best team in the CFL. Obviously,
this year's team a lot different from from last year's
team because of all the players that they lost in
free agency. But I think, you know, there's still a
core of a great team there. I think having Wynton

(24:38):
McManus back, who I believe is back practicing this week
just in time to play the tie Cats on Friday.
He is really the engine of that defense. I think
he is the most important player for them, So getting
him back down the stretch, that's gonna really help for
that team. If Chad Kelly can play like he did
in this game and and cut down on the turnovers,
and I only think he had a turnover in this

(24:58):
game at all, So you know, if you can do that,
this team is going to be a very scary team
down the stretch. Ryan din Windy knows head to coach
offensive football in the CFL, so I think they have
all the components here to go on a run here.
But As for them catching Audible, I don't think they're
gonna be able to do it, just because you know
there are a couple behind in the lost column. Oudawa

(25:19):
already won the first game of the season series. They
do have a game against Oddawa coming up, I believe,
But you know, I think when you play at the
same or you play an even number of games against
the team in the season series, the tiebreaker is the
point deferential. So Toronto I believe, would have to win
the second game by fifteen points and even them because

(25:41):
the tie. I don't think you're ever going to get
a situation at the end of the year unless Toronto
gets a tie themselves to what do you call it,
have a tie breaker scenario. So I don't think they're
going to catch Ottawa. But in a playoff game, sure
they can go in there and beat Ottawa. And if
they do that, I think they would really want to
get revenge on flash year if they met up in
the East Final.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Just to kind of round up the conversation here again
with you know, Rick Campbell and kind of all of that.
We've talked to him about hearing there's a lot on
here back and forth throughout the season. And just you know,
and I get the oh, you know, the players love
him and he's loved the locker room kind of all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
I lived with Dave Haxtill last year with the Kraken,
and everyone thought he was a really swell guy and
we just could never show up and be motivated. And
I don't know if messaging gets lost or it's too
chill or not chill enough or whatever, but something's there.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
And this whole benching of the roork thing is weird
to me. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Overall, I don't I don't see like, you know, we've
talked him like this. He survived the season, and I
agree with you. I don't know if we should or not.
I don't see Mr being kind of that if he's
even the one really cares enough to even be.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Involved in that, right is that? Like is that a macle?

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Like?

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Who who would that be?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
In terms of the CFL, in terms of ownership oversight,
I feel like Amar is kind of not checked out,
but kind of on a different level.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
You get the question, you mean, who would make the
decision to uh.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, like who's you know, in terms of like, I
don't know if Lamar is like really sitting there at
day to day kind of like riding in and I'm
just curious kind of where that decision would come from.
Obviously the money's with him, but.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, I'm not too sure if Neil McAvoy the GM
would have that the power to make that decision or
you know, because in football it's interesting because you sometimes
get situations where the coach has more power than the GM.
So I'm looking at Bill Belichick famously in New England
and then obviously he became the GM later on, so
you know, it can't happen the reverse way. And I

(27:39):
do think Rick Campbell has a lot of sway in
that organization. He's similar to like a Jeff Fisher to me.
You know, Jeff Fisher, he survived a long time in
the in the NFL with being like a pretty mediocre
head coach, a guy that went like I think it
was like eight and eight every seven and nine every year.
Rick Campbell's not that bad by CFL standards. Obviously, he

(28:00):
has had a couple of very good years the last
couple of years, and then he you know, won a
Great Cup back then with Odawa in twenty sixteen with
Henry Burris, but even that Ottawa team had a losing record,
So I think, you know, in terms of his overall
coaching resume, I've always been kind of skeptical about him
being this great coach because again, the team that he

(28:20):
won the Great Cup with was not that good in
terms of the regular season success. You look at his
career win loss I believe it's just slightly above five hundred.
If you take it into account his time in Oudwall,
which it was a long six year stretch, I believe
he was below five hundred there. So you know, I
don't know exactly what brings to the table schematically. I

(28:41):
know he's a guy that players love, and I think
that goes a long way, and I think that's not
really not a given in today's league, in today's sporting world,
that the players will love the coach. But I think
you also need to have a head coach that brings
something to the table schematically, especially when you lose coordinators
to head coaching jobs. And you know, I think we

(29:01):
could see that with BC in the in the coming years,
if not as soon as this off season, with Ryan
Phillips and Jordan Max Simmock. So I think you know
Rick Campbell I've always had questions about and I do
think that if he fails, if they lose the first
playoff game this year, or they stumble down the stretch here,
I definitely could see them making a coaching change because

(29:22):
they're just so much riding on this season for BC.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well that's I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
And like, I love Rick, I love the team, I
love the line, like I love all that. You know,
this is not this is not I got I got
switch switched around here on that. On the other side,
I don't like, I don't you know this is this
is the frustration is me as a fan, right and
someone that's not a far Han, that's not in there,
it's not on the sideline. You know, I think you
get I always said a couple of weeks ago, like

(29:46):
I was going to call you know, far Han and
they're kind of handling them the Nathan thing, because I
do think you get too entrenched in the CFL and Okay,
we're so close, so we do this and we know
these people and all this kind of stuff, and you know,
Rick's got a lot of sway there, and is he
better in the CFL. You know, he's probably one of
the better CFL coaches, you're going to get right now,
but you know a lot riding on it, and I

(30:09):
don't know if you need to, you know, lose someone
just to shake it up or whatever. And like you said,
there's so much you know, they you'd rather stick with
what you kind of know versus that, you know, the
mystery of Okay, who are we going to bring in?
But the last thing I was trying to rack my
brain here to remember to bring up was, you know,
we'd even talked last week, like, oh, do they deal

(30:31):
Vernon the Calgary in the offseason?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
They're like, who comes going for Nance's? Like, shoot, man,
they needed both of them in this game and they
still lost. Like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I mean, DC like, are we always going to have
to have like and I love Vernon and I love Nathan?
Was like, are we always going to have to have
like big brother Vernon around in case Nathan gets a
little rattled? And they're like, okay, we gotta bring and
Nathan's not having a good game, Like I don't like that.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know, Nathan's young and obviously he's still.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Maturing and going through a lot of that, but like,
are you going to have that kind of thing where, Okay,
we always got to have someone else around because if
Nathan's in the pissy mood that we got to kind
of figure out what's going on. I don't know, it's
really a mess. And you just would have thought with
all the money that they that they spent in everything
here to i'd still just be at five hundred now,
you know, with whether is it seven six, seven weeks

(31:17):
to go whatever, It's just it's just incredible to me.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I just can't go over right now.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, and I think.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
That, yeah, I'll let you go. Sorry, Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
No, I was gonna say that maybe it works the
opposite way, where, you know, next year, when when Nathan's
by himself here, I think maybe that does wonders for
his you know, confidence, not having another guy that's so
experienced and so prove and over his shoulder. I think
maybe maybe that helps next year. But you know, I
think regardless, they've made their bed with Nate. I think

(31:48):
that's obviously who they're gonna be going with next year,
given the contract and everything like that. But we'll have
to see how it plays on in the off season.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, last thing here, we'll get to the other games.
But this is good.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
You know, we needed a van, we needed a film
time for another game here, but this is good talking
that you know, they downfall the Alliance, but like this
just doesn't feel And obviously you don't care in sports
and winning and all of that stuff, but like if
you had said at the beginning of the year, OLBC
is hosting and they're going to bring back Nathan and
they're going to bring back Matthew Bett's and they're gonna
do all the suffect, Oh my god, they're going to

(32:20):
be unstoppable. And like even with all that and the
drama involved in that and this whole salary cap thing
and the marketing and like.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Even with everything, like they're still and so you're.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Almost getting like that heel heat a little bit, but
then they're not even winning really all the way. So
it's just really kind of the worst of both worlds
here where you're making moves, maybe controversial moves unless you're
Alliance fan, and then you're still losing. And then if yeah,
they get knocked out of the playoffs, I mean, I
think the I think they'll be in the playoffs, but
if you're knocked out in that first round or even

(32:50):
if we see the same thing we've seen with Winnipeg
the last couple of years. Like, I don't know, I
mean I think I would hope not all jobs are
safe at that point, because that would be pretty pretty
big downfall.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah for sure. I mean it makes for great drama
down the stretch though.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right, Yeah, all right, let's get to so this was
you know, you were joking with me again, and you
always like it when I make proclamations and then your
team comes out. I had that like we're just talking
the red hot out of a red flax, and then
holy hell, you got the red hot Hamilton Tiger Cats.
Here are four wins coming back. Uh, Jason, you were

(33:30):
at the game. I watched this a lot of back
and forth, a lot of interesting things. We had Miszoli
siding here, beu Levi is on top of the world.
Would you make of this one.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
The most complete effort that we've seen from this Ti
Cats team this season? I would say I think that,
you know, all three phases of that team just really
clicked from the beginning of this game. Again, they they
almost let audible back into it late, but you know,
I think for the first three quarters of that game,
it was such a convincing effort from them. I think

(34:03):
a lot of credit actually has to go to Chris
Jones for what he's doing with this defense right now.
Just a crazy improvement from what they were the first
what it was at seven or eight weeks the season
before they brought him in. Just crazy improvement. I think
that they're geniting turnovers. I think it's ten turnovers that
they forced in their last three games. So that's a

(34:25):
really good sign of what Chris Jones's defenses have been
at their best. And I think even though they're not
world beaters on that side of the ball, I don't
think they have the personnel to do that. But in
terms of the improvement, it's just been crazy. And I
think that a lot of these players that they brought
in the offseason are really starting to bring the promise
that people hoped when they signed them. So I think

(34:45):
Jamal Peters is one of those guys. I think he's
really shown out the last couple of weeks as kind
of being that shutdown corner. Had an interception late in
this game. But you know, I just was really impressed
by the ty Cats in this one. I thought that
they had a good chance to win this game. Going
into this game, I thought maybe it was a letdown
spot for Autawa coming off that huge win against Toronto,
and Ottawa has not been the same team on the

(35:07):
road this season than they have been at home where
they're undefeated. So I think Hamilton had a chance to
win this game. But I was blown away by the
effort the energy that was in tim Orton's Field for
what was a three and nine football team going into
the day. Just I think it was twenty two thousand
that they got out at attendance, and I think that
was just incredible attendance for being such a poor team.

(35:30):
It really shows you that the passion that the ty
Cats fans have for the football team. And I'm just
happy as a fan that tim Orton's Field is becoming
a harder place to play again. I felt like the
last couple of years they kind of lost a bit
of that home of the advantage. It felt like, you know,
it didn't matter if they're on the road or at home.
It seemed like a very similar energy around the team.

(35:51):
But the last couple of weeks, winning at Labor Day
on Labor Day and this week, I think it's really
showing the starting to show that this place is a
harder place to play again. Even if you're gonna get
a win here, it's gonna be tough to do so.
And I think, yeah, I was really impressed by the
ty Cats all around in this one. And you know,
for Autawa, I thought that Mizzoli coming in midway through

(36:14):
the game after Drew Brown really struggled throughout this game.
I thought that was a cool story. You know. Again,
I was pretty scared when they cut it to an
eight point lead in the fourth quarter. I thought, maybe
this is this the storybook kind of comeback from Azzoli here,
but sure not. The tay Cats able to score the
next drive and secure the victory. So yeah, just a

(36:34):
really entertaining game at Tim Morrinsfield from my perspective.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Anyway, Manzoli against this former team, the Hamilton Tiger Cats,
like you know, it would have been a pretty I
I will say, I We'll go through more. I got
more followup comments, but I hate like when you were
talking like Ottawa on the road whatever, Like I hate
it because it's believe me that the Kraken I think

(36:59):
it was last year we could not win at home
at all.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
We could not win at home.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I'm like, are we lounging too long on the couch
before we get up to go in? And we spending
too much time with the like I hate. And it
goes either way, the teams that can't win on the
road or the teams that can't win at home.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I'm like, just be a professional.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Do whatever. You're like, you have whatever your routine is, Okay, Now, okay,
you got a Monday morning. You know we would be
playing some like Monday games at noon or whatever on
the holiday.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Your whole rhythm's thrown out and you're used to it
like it just it kills me either way. And I've
had teams that can't win this way, can't win that way, Like, yeah, Ottawa,
you know you're great at home. You got to maintain that.
Going into all this, I think Anthony Miller was in
our group chat where he was like, you know, is
Drew Brown terrible or is he not? It kind of
seems like week to week it's kind of upward debate.

(37:49):
Were you surprised to see him?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Zoe come in here? Right?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
We saw him earlier this year when Drew Brown was injured. Right,
he had this big win and we kind of celebrated that.
But were you surprised to see them as all in here?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
I was not totally shocked. I thought that just given
the score of the game, and I think it was
like early in the third or later quarter, I should say,
when it was twenty nine to six, so twenty three
point game for the tyke ats. Otto was just trying
anything to create a spark, and sure enough, Mazzoli coming
off the bench did that, and you know, as a

(38:25):
typical veteran quarterback just showing you know, his his moxie
and you know, ability to to lead his team down
the field. But I think Joe Brown in general has
looked pretty good this year. I don't know exactly if
he's a guy that's gonna be a consistent top five
quarterback in this league, you know, going forward, but I
think he's shown enough this year to not let one

(38:46):
game let him lose rip on the starter's job. I
think that, Yes, it was a very poor game from
them in this one. I think had plenty of opportunities
to to score, but they actually had so many turnovers. Obviously,
Brown actually only had the one interceptions, only had the two,
but they had a couple of instances where it was

(39:07):
there was a short yard situation that they were stopped in.
I think there was just a lot of like missed
execution from auto in this one, and that was probably
the most disappointing aspect from their perspective in this game.
And I think their defense definitely had some lapses, some
poor tackling. I think they had some big runs after
catch yards after catch for the ty Cats receivers in

(39:30):
this one. So I think attaway it was just really
a bad day at the offense overall, just one week.
I think it's kind of a burn the tape kind
of game. But that being said, they did fight their
way back into it a little bit late, so they
can draw a little bit of a silver lining from
that perspective. But again that's when Brown was not in
the game.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Still, Uh yeah, you're sounding a lot like our good
friend Rick Campbell. Every every loss with Rick Campbell as
a burn the tape. We don't need to worry about
that to move on to next. He's like, well, no, Rick,
maybe you do need to kind of at engineer. It
was good to see and I'm just looking through the
player stature, you know, good to see dominic rhymes for
once here kind of leading leading yardage for the receivers.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
He's been working this way up but felt like kind
of a slow start in that way.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
I know hard he's been good in Actlin, but I
good to see him kind of moving the ball and
be it involved Moore. I don't know if that was
a you know, a Mizoic thing versus whatever, but he
had just kind of been sleepy here the whole kind
of first part of the season, obviously coming from BC.
But good to see that. I Mizzoli had, like you said,
the interception, you know, coming late. He's trying to make
action there. But it was pretty close.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
There at the end.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Were you nervous tree there coming in and having Missouri
run ruckshot on everything that lasts?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Like, what was it last quarter or so?

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Uh yeah, So he was there for they the last
quarter in a bit, maybe quarter in five minutes, and
uh yeah, it was just touchdown drive, touchdown drive plus
two point diversion, the kind of d eight points and
then I was I was officially terrified. At that point.
There was about eight minutes left in the game, I
think when the cut of date, so there was more
than enough time for the Red Blacks to pull it off,

(41:10):
but sure enough, Hamilton responded with the drive they absolutely needed.
You know, Greg Bell. Just a big talking point with
this team that we haven't really got to is James
Butler being healthy. Scratched the last handful of weeks for
Greg Bell. And you know, I love James Butler. He
was fantastic last year, very good early this year as

(41:31):
well for the ty Cat So I don't don't agree
with the decision from that perspective, but I can't, you know,
fault the way Greg Bell is playing right now. I
think he is really showcasing why they put him in
the lineup. He does appear to have a little bit
more of that you know, straight line speed that James
Butler has, so I think maybe that's what they see.

(41:53):
He's maybe a little bit bigger back as well. So
he's had a lot of production the last couple of
weeks and I've been a big reason for this team's
a little bit of a mini resurgence here, especially on
this week and on Labor Day. So yeah, Greg Bell
a huge piece of that that team, and I think
a big reason why the ty Cats could, you know,
go on a little bit of a late season run here.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, I want to follow up with that.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
I was gonna make the joke like James Butler, you
are a BC Lion, like come on, bring him in.
They just say, you know, drop the money, bring him in. Hey,
maybe that'll help.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
We need a spark.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
It was like again I bring up all these other
sports like the Maritors is here felt like every every
other week, like Okay, we got a trade for someone
like Dallan can bring a spark, or like okay, let's
call up someone that'll be a spark.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Okay, let's do this. I'll be a spark.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Like maybe that's the Lions here. Okay, we gotta bring
a Butler. Now we need something else, like you know,
let's let's make that happen. You were talking because yeah,
Hamilton Ligan decent here right obviously with the Toronto where
is my I lost my schedule here, but right be
Toronto here last week they were off the week I'm
looking to hear it so after we before, but they
had the big win against tront know they're here and

(43:01):
then they're going into Toronto again obviously going to play
at BEMO. You were staying so frustrating for you since
you know, slow starts.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
We've talked before.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
You brought that, you know, slow starts to the seasons
for the tight Cats all around. But they have a
play and then now to have dug themselves such a
hole here, is that frustrating?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Oh? Absolutely, it's It just seems like in the case
the entire fandom of this team really and it's really
illustrated by the fact they've won one season opener in
the last I think fifteen years or something like fifteen
twenty years or something like that, and I think that
was twenty nineteen. So the last three years, I believe
they've started zero to four. So you're just not going

(43:44):
to be able to advance yourself up the standings. Basically,
the only way you're geting to the playoffs is if
you luckily, you know, grab that last playoff spot. So
I don't think they're gonna make it this year. I
think they've dug themselves way too big of a hole.
I think when they suffered that nine flows, I think
it was really that was it for the their season.
Even if they do win the rest of their games,

(44:06):
yes they would make the playoffs, but I just don't
see this team playing with the consistency necessary to make
that happen, plus a couple of really tough games coming up.
I think at Toronto that is a game that Argos
in particular will be will be circling because they lost
the first two games in the season series and playing
at tim Wortonsfield is playing at BEMO where they're very

(44:27):
hard to play, and then I believe the week after
the week after that they play Winnipeg. Granted they have
bet Winnipeg the last two years in Hamilton, but Winnipeg
obviously playing really well. Right now, they have to go
to the Lions. And we've talked about BC being a
little bit disappointing recently, but they're gonna be a team
that's really hungry for getting some wins down stretch too,

(44:49):
So I really don't see them winning out. The best
I can see them doing is winning four of their
last five, and that would get them to eight and ten,
which would maybe get them into like a crossover to
the West. But I don't see them catch in Toronto,
even though they do have the tiebreaker there. They're just
a little bit too far behind. Toronto had lost to
BC on Friday night, I would have had a lot

(45:10):
more belief in the ty Cats possibly making a run
to the playoffs, but it's it's too big of a
gap at this point for for Hamilton to make up
and make the playoffs out east. It would have to
be a crazy scenario where they make it as the
West crossover. And it's definitely possible. Everything's possible if you
look at the standings right now. But I don't see
it happening now.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I'm just telling you now, I don't want to be
you know, don't get mad if I get your hope
so too much here, But so obviously BC is on
a you know bye this week here right week sixteen,
will miss all this here, Oh, Bob's questioning them the chat, Bob,
we were just talking about that James Butler and everything.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Bob's a tie Cats fan. Here is that? Is that? Bob?
Is that Bob Young? But BC's on the bye.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
You look here, they're going to be coming out of
the by BC week seven teen, Hamilton's going into BC place.
I have seen this before, slow start coming out the buye.
We're at home, like, oh, what's going on? I would
bet you money that Hamilton wins that game. Week seventeen,
here Friday Night, at BC. You'll be standing up late

(46:15):
and that's the seven thirty start, so it's even later
than the one on Friday. You'll be glued to your television.
I bet you, Hamilton. I could totally see BC coming
in there.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Trap game.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It was about this damn time last year when they lost.
I was at a wedding now and I had this
country wedding and it was one of the last ones
of the year we had. It was a couple weeks
earlier because I think it was at the end of August.
But like I remember we I think we were sitting
there messing it. Like I was at this family's backyard.
They had these cardboard box dance for whatever in the
middle of this field with the ten I'm like, oh yeah,
COVID was never a thing like this is totally fine

(46:47):
and BC is getting railed by Hamilton, mark my words. Friday,
September twenty seventh, Get ready for your popcorn there, Jason.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I'll only be one win for you.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
All right, man. I'll I'll remember this and you know,
we'll we'll talk about it the next show that we
have after that, and you know, see who was.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Right anything else on this We'll talk to you Montreal
and then we'll look at the other games here. But
anything else from the tay Cats Red Blacks here.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, I'll give a shout out to Lawrence Woods, who
was reinserted into the lineup as the In the first
touch of the game, he takes to the house on
a punt return touchdown. Really good to see that from him.
Last year he was in bc Or, he bounced around
a bit. I think they tried to move him to
defensive back or playing Mora as of defensive back and

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instead of focusing on his special teams role. But the
year before in twenty twenty two, he was very good
for Hamilton in that return role. So it's good him
re established himself in that regard. That's been a really
sore point for the tay Cats this season. Usually his
strength for the tay Cats. They've had a lot of
great returners over the years, but you know, this year
they haven't really had too many special plays from the

(48:02):
return game, and so it was really good to see
that from the tight Gats in this one.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, just good for them.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Like I said, you know, I have a lot of
respect for teams there maybe out of it a little bit,
and they're still fighting through and you know here playing
for the fans, you got everyone coming and kind of
all that. You know, you got Jason here talking through
everything every week on here being the big you know,
being the big tight Cats fan. Let me pull up here.
We go about ten minutes left. We'll get through this

(48:29):
and then I'll put this to bed and then we'll
get to We got our big.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Monday night football hopefully.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
You know, Anthony Miller's Philadelphia Eagles lose tonight to the Falcons,
even though I'm not the biggest Kirk Cousins fan, which
is surprising because obviously his time with Washington and everything else.
But you know, it would like I would like to
stick it to Anthony and have the Commanders be the
ones together win this week. We talked off the top
the tie. I was like, God, how the hell is
Montreal going to lose this game? I don't see that happening.

(48:56):
They tie here, we go to overtime. Kind of all
that stuff thoughts on this one because a ton of
turnovers right, Montre had the two off the top, and
then there was the blocked punt that was like the
roughing the kicker, which I I thought it looked decently clean.
I never know how they make those delineations with all
of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
What did you make of this one?

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Yeah, well, first of all, on the block punt, yes,
I totally agree that should have been a legal play.
I thought all ball and everything like that, but I
didn't know the CFL has this weird rule where if
you even if you hit the ball. I believe they
changed a few years ago that if you hit the
plant leg it's regardless. It's a penalty, which I don't

(49:39):
agree with, but just one of those rules that they
should really look at fixing. But those are my thoughts
on that. And that was really a big turning point
in the game. Calgaries up by ten at that point
in Montreal would have scored their first point to the game,
so it really could have been a completely different ball
game from that point on. But this game just shows
you how unpredictable the CFL can be, that no team

(50:00):
is really out of it. Like I said earlier at
the beginning of the show, I think this this game
willly shows that you know what the league really has
become this year, with how almost any team can be
competitive with every other team. And I think Calgary, which
most teams most people, I should say, would have had

(50:21):
as the worst team in the CFL going this week,
and many people would still have them as the worst
team in the CFL. They really took the best team
in the CFL the task in this one and really
played really well, especially defensively, for the most part in
this game. Calgary, I think offensively still not a very
exciting team. I think they're the most unwatchable offense in
the league. Just just really boring play calling. And you know,

(50:44):
Jake Mayer, you know, don't want to beat a dead horse, literally,
but I think that, yeah, I just they don't have
any trust in him in terms of throwing the ball
down the field. They don't like to see him hold
the ball and really press to do anything. So they
run a lot of screens and try to get creative
in that sense, but it doesn't really usually work out

(51:06):
for them. Their running game came alive in this one,
which is always big for them. A couple of years
ago they had the best running game in the CFL,
but that's really declined this year especially, so it's good
to see that from them, and you know, the tie
for them kind of keeps them alive just by a
thread in this in this playoff race, because they got
a couple of games coming up against the Skatchewan and

(51:28):
if they win those games, you know, it's a completely
different season for them. So somehow, some way they're still
in it, and you know, tie kind of helps them
in a way. And for Montreal it doesn't really hurt
them because they have been up there with them with
Ottawa and the standings, and Ottawa actually have lost this
week and so actually gained a bit of distance the

(51:51):
standings with the tie.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, it seems like, you know, we had the whole
Logan Bonner thing last week. It seems like back to
Jake is like we ever left, same kind of game plan,
same kind of stat line for him, same kind of
looking game, like you said, except for the defense to
turnovers and if that blocked punt, which I totally I'm glad,
Like I don't know if that, you know, I'm just
kind of sitting here today like I don't have anyone

(52:14):
to bounce that off agains, So I'm glad we agree
with that. But yeah, if it wasn't for that, I
think Montreal wins us in the landslide. There was just
so many things and they have the ball turned over
that many times and give up that many penalties and
kind of still be you know, a tie game at
nineteen at the end of the game to me is good.
I mean, I do you have any cause for concern
with Montreal? I mean I don't, but I'm just to

(52:35):
give you a chance to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, for sure, I think that Like, like I said,
I don't like you. I don't think that many concerns
for Montreal. I think they've had a couple of off weeks here,
But as I was saying last week, it's not great
historically to be one of these juggernaut teams in the CFL.
They generally do not pin break ups. So maybe them
losing a couple of games here along the way may

(52:59):
actually help their ability to get hot down the stretch again.
So you know, I don't think I'm too concerned with them.
I think that Algui just played a really solid game,
especially defensively in this one, had some luck with the turnovers.
Like you said, I still saw plenty of good stuff
for Montreal in this one. And I think Walter Fletcher again,

(53:20):
he had an explosive run fifty five yards in this one,
So I think He's continued to look really good. The
receiving corps is a little bit banged up right now,
as we were saying in previous shows, so maybe that's
a concern right now. But they did get keyon Julian
Grant and Tyler Sneaed back in the lineup in this one,
so that's a good sign for them going forward, even

(53:41):
if they didn't result in a ton of points scored
in this game. So again I'm not too concerned. Their
defense still looked really good, as it has for most
of the season. So I think, you know, it's never
easy for an Eastern team to go out West and
play regardless of what the records are. So I think,
you know, Montreal should be a team that read as
we go down the stretch here and that closes out

(54:02):
the season as the best team in the East.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
And I don't know if we talked timing wise last week,
Tyson philipot right out for the season. I think I
saw that late like Thursday, Friday. I can't remember when.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
That came out. Obviously, that's a big blow. Any thoughts on.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
That, Yeah, that's that's a huge loss for them because
I think, you know, especially with the Wayne Montreal likes
to run their offense. They're kind of like that West
Coast style offense where they throw a lot of short passes.
They don't run the ball a ton in terms of
a ton of volume, but they throw a lot to
the running backs and they throw a lot of short passes.
And I think Tyson Philpott one thing he does better

(54:39):
than almost any receiver in the CFL is generate those
yards after catch. He's a special player with the ball
in his hands. He would have easily brushed past a
thousand yards this season. I think he ended his season
like seven and eighty yards unfortunately, so he easily would
have crossed that marketing loops of the games. So I think,
you know, it's a huge loss for Montreal. Obviously, he

(55:01):
won or scored the last touchdown the Great Cup last
year was a big part of that, so it's disappointing
to see him miss the rest of the season. But
I think they do have other guys that are capable
of especially if Austin Mack can get healthy down the stretch.
I think they have enough there to definitely go on
another run here this season.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Let's look real quick here ahead, and then we'll get
out of here, Like I said, like and subscribe if
you're at this point. We'll be off the next couple
of weeks. We'll do the UFL schedule tomorrow at two
pm Pacific and then.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
We'll figure it out. Yeah, I gotta go, and I
got a conference.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Really just kind of at least we're doing these and
I feel like I'm I feel like, you know, I'm
in touch enough to kind of, you know, keep track
here because it's really just been crazy this summer. It
can bear to any other kind of keeping track of
the CFL, sup. So I appreciate Jason's flexibility and all
that stuff. So we talked Hamilton going into Toronto there,

(55:58):
Saskatchewan coming back right they were off. It should be
a good Western game here in Saskatchewan at Calgary, Montreal
at Ottawa, and then Winnipeg Edmonton. That Edmonton coming back
multiple buyas last week. That to me is exciting just
to kind of see how Edmonton fairs against Winnipeg here.
And we got Trey Ford right, he's coming back after
the bye. In terms of that game you're most excited

(56:20):
for here.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Yeah, absolutely would have to be Winnipeg Edmondson, I think,
and they also played the week after this, so this too,
these two games, this two game little series could decide
a ton in the West. It could determine Edmonton. If
they win the next two weeks BC loses a game,
I believe Edbittson would be in first in the in
two weeks, so you know, a lot can change and

(56:48):
vice versa. I think that if Edmonton loses the next
two weeks, they're basically done. So it's basically for season.
You know, if they get a split in this one,
they're very much alive for one of those last playoff spot.
But if they win or lose either way, I think
that's gonna be a really big change for their scene
in the West standings, in particular because I do believe

(57:09):
Edmonton also has the tiebreaker with d because of their
win earlier this season, because they split and the one
that BC one was a very close victory and Edmonton
was able to blow them out in Edmonton. So Edmonton
has a great opportunity here. They're obviously going back to
Trey Ford so well, he looks coming back from his injury.

(57:32):
But I think, yeah, it's gonna be a very interesting game,
and I think the last couple of years even when
Edmonton's that been in the dole drums of the CFL.
They have played Winnipeg very tight. They just have not
been able to get a victory. But they're due for one.
I think they haven't beaten Winnipeg. I believe I Sustins
twenty eighteen or something like that. It's been a long time.
So I think they're due for it. And it's gonna

(57:55):
be a really big important game for BC Edmonton on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well, that was the game last year, right, that was
the big tray Ford Invitational where he came out and
it looked really looks like Edmonton was going to win,
and then Winnipeg came back and kind of slammed the
door on that. What you were saying with the standings,
I think Dave Campbell had posted a similar thing obviously
with the Alex and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, I hate it, Like I totally hate it.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
You know, here, BC had every advantage in the world,
and like you said, here are a couple of wins
and they're off a week and who never knows, and
it's just frustrating. It's frustrating to kind of have that
and have the lead and be able to look back
you know, Mariners are in that right now where the
teams were behind or teams that they have a game
in hand on us, or they have the tiebreak or whatever.

(58:39):
Like it's really really frustrating when you're trying to like
look at the standings and then you know, like, well,
we actually are two games behind that team because we
got to beat you know, equal to them and then
get a game up or whatever. So Jason, I appreciate it.
We'll see and maybe I'll be happy or not having
to watch a BC here the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Anything else from you before we get out.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Uh No, I just think I'm really excited to see
how the rest of this season plays out. I think
really anything is still possible with this season, as we've discussed. So,
like I said, it's really excited and happy with how
the seasons turned out to this point, even if my
favorite team hasn't exactly lived up to expectations.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Jason, I think both of our team, I think we're
both heading here for heartbreak here. I think it's going
to be Montreal Winnipeg again here. Maybe we can help
for the Edmonton on that Chris Mason is asking the time,
I've already said that I don't want the Eagles to win.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I hate the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Commanderstand you, Jason doesn't have a horse in the race.
But I assume you just like Anthony Miller as much
as I do, and you want to see the Eagles lose.
I don't know, do you have a do you have
a horse in the fire with Atlanta?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
You know, I've always kind of liked Philly the most
out of those AFC NFC East teams. I mean, I
guess i'm partial Wating now that you know I'm friends
with you, but I think, you know, Philly's always been
kind of my my favorite team out of that division.
Even though I generally just like most of those teams,
I feel like they get like a disproportionate attention relative

(01:00:08):
to the rest of the NFL, so especially Dallas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
So I would be very surprised if Philadelphia loses tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
All jokes aside.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I think Anthony's probably pretty stafe there. We'll see, you know,
Kirk Cousins and everything in Atlanta's kind of a mess,
and I don't know what they're trying to do anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
So, Jason, I appreciate that like and subscribe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Everyone go enjoy and get your beverages and everything here
before football, and we'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Thanks,