UFL 2025 Week 8 Results + Reactions!!!

We are going LIVE to react to and recap UFL 2025 week 8 on Tuesday, May 20th!! Join John Lewis Sports and me for your weekly UFL 2025 recap show with results from the weekend's United Football League games, including our reactions and analysis!!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Well here we are back here. Happy UFL Week eight.
Let me bring in John Lewis here. We're back tuesday.
How that we got We were going to do one
last week and I said maybe, and then you were
traveling and then we were working, and then we did
not do it. But we're back here today. Someone I
think it was on Twitter stead I like the schedule
better in the last two weeks.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Wait, buddy, that's not very then they're not watching right
now out right.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Now we're back here.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
We were talking already ahead of time John's pilgrimage to
Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We'll talk through all of that stuff. We have, Mike Mitchell.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
We have all the TV ratings, we have everything else,
we have all the attendance, all of those things. We're
even gonna talk about Dustin and Roll retros and all
of that. I have exciting things to talk through all that.
But John, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It's been two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You were out of town for Mother's Day, right, and
then we were gonna do it and then I just
got lazy last week.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Sorry, So how are you doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
I'm doing good.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I mean we've had like two really good weeks of
football here now, I know, you know, the next two
weeks might not matter a lot because the playoffs are set,
but I'm optimistic about what we might see these next
two weeks because it's going to be a challenge for
you know, these players want to get taped. These coaches
are going to try to help them. I mean, we
we might see some quarterbacks that we never thought we

(01:48):
would see all season, so there's there's still things for
them to play for. So I'm still looking forward to
the next two weeks, but I'm ready for the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
We yeah, not allowed to mean in the next couple
of weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
We joked, I really feel like I'm pretty caught up
right now on UFL for some weeks, like I've been
traveling and whatever. And even last week when I knew
we were in the show, we were joking. Dorothy comes
downstairs and I'm watching and texting you in the group chat,
and she's like, well, I thought I think we were
doing the show. I'm like one theory, like I still
joy blocking the games. I'm like texting it's really you.

(02:20):
It's really like texting you. I need to get you
back on Twitter, and then the group chat. It's really
the only thing that is keeping me one of these
days me involved in all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
We'll get through all that stuff. So anyway, like and subscribe.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
You know, we we had a people upset and like
I came up. We made someone mad and then they
pulled a bunch of subs. They said the stream fell off.
But here we are.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I think I think we're doing our best.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
John, before we get started, like and subscribe, now, I
did want to tell this story. Like and subscribe, give
us up to four thousand subscribers. John has his code
jls P role retros, right, So we're gonna do that
because I finally got and I'm going to pick it
up Friday.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
But I got my I texted John this though.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
I got my custom made Randy Land Randy Rose ran
a jersey for the Maritors courtesy of help with.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Dust In the world retros. So this is the front here.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
You can see kind of the it's the guy that
we do him kind of does a mishmash of you
see the world series logo on there. I kind of
sourced all this stuff, but you see that green M
and e there source from a Team Mexico replica that
Dustin kind of helped me.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Basically just sold me. The sold me the jerseys without
the letter or the letters without the jersey. So I
thought that was pretty cool. John, what do you think
of this?

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Armand is not it's not jealous, But Jim Mullen gave
me the thumbs up.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Far Han just gave me a laugh. So what do
you make of this?

Speaker 4 (03:40):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, especially if you're into, like, you know, kidnapping notes,
it looks awesome. But no, I love I'll have all
the different letters and the way you got it laid out.
I think that's really cool.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
So anyway, so I used John's code that you know
JLS over there on Dustin can't make you this, but
he can help you source. But you can buy jerseys
through there and then we're gonna give to y. See
it's all connected. Subscribe, give it thumbs up, use John's code,
do all that stuff. Yeah, Pat checking in here. Yeah,
lots of officiating. And I was about it was last week.

(04:10):
I think I was about ready to charge the TV
and then we didn't do the show.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
But I was like very upset with the Mike.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Prayer and all that, very upset with Dean Blandino and
everything else. So we'll get to all of that stuff.
Good games here this weekend. We had the split squad Saturday,
but overall really exciting games. I thought the Saturday game
was awesome. Trigger warning for Seahawks fans For the Sunday game.
I texted John as he was traveling back from Saint
Louis for that one with Louis Brez's pass, What did

(04:37):
you make it? I mean, I thought it was great.
I just had it had a blast kind of watching
the games.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
I mean, it was a great game. Yeah, you gave
me the fair warning there, the trigger warning because I
came back and I started to watch the game.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
After we got back from Saint Louis. My wife had had.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Enough of UFL football, so she sent me to the
basement to watch the game.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
But yeah, I was like, I it was just shocking
to me.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I mean, as and if you if you guys watched
and educating, if you don't, you should, like Pat really
broke it down. I mean simply, that's not something that
you see from Louis Perez and you just can't do
that and win games.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
If it was miscommunication, if it was he was, you know,
just called his own number decide what to do.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I just don't know. I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
But leading up to that, it was an incredible game still,
I mean, it was still an incredible game, and just
what a wild way to finish. And it was a
lot like you know, with Saint Louis and Birmingham, It's like,
that's not what you expected. We thought it would be
a defensive game. There was some huge plays from Birmingham
and then they ended up losing on a fumble.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
It was just it was a wild weekend.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
May may or may not surprise you, but I tend
to be very vocal sometimes watching games.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
It's very.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I have a clip of her that it's not safe
for any bride.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
But I when Louis Perez through that, I had just
come upstairs. I was finishing that, you know, I was
finishing my ride. I got the game my laptop and
I literally just set it down on the I mean
island to go get coffee, and I screamed out loud.
She literally came in, she goes, what is happening? I
just it was really wild, really exciting. Because we can

(06:14):
get to all of that stuff. Let's do first off,
because we have a comment here Mike's talking about TV ratings,
Let's do all of that.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
First off, how do I do? Did I?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Here we go?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I of course I got rid of the one and
then we'll do that. But here we go.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
So, first off TV ratings, we had the Friday game yesterday,
and then everything else came out with that five seventy
three for Friday split window on Fox, the five ninety one,
and then nine to seventy three ABC for that the
Sunday game. Mike's comment was just ABC really killing Foxes
ratings this year. I have lots of thoughts about that,

(06:49):
But what's your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, my thought is Fox has got to figure out
if this Friday night thing, They've got to figure out
what the flex is now. I know there were a
lot of fans that would be upset, but he knew
at least a week ahead of time, or even longer
than that, Saint Louis Birmingham is going to be a
better game than you know, Memphis San Antonio as far
as matchups go. I mean, that game actually ended up
being an incredible game, went to overtime, it was crazy.

(07:12):
But you're I just don't think that you're gonna get
as many fans to watch that game on a Friday
night than if you had moved you know, Birmingham and
Saint Louis to that night. Now thankfully they didn't because
I was at the game the next day. But yeah,
I to me, those Fox ratings, that's not sustainable. I
don't you know, you can get five hundred thousand to

(07:35):
watch a rerun of whatever Fox show you've got there,
so you you know, you can put on a rerun
of Mass Singer and get and get probably more than that.
So they've got to really look at that. There are
three things that there are a couple of things they
got to look at. The UFL has to look at
and with Fox or those Friday night games and the
ratings and how to make that better. And then they've

(07:56):
got to shore up a couple of these franchises. But
you're right, like ABC man, and I don't I don't
think this was any kind of positive spin that Mike
was trying to put on.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
And I think it was true.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It ended up being one of the higher rated games
and actually peaked at over a million. So I mean
that you had that many eyeballs, I think that's that
that's just great. And I don't understand the split broadcast window.
I don't know if anybody's figured that out, if there's
a reason for that, but that doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
When I can explain all that, okay, hit me, I
would love to know.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, yeah, so, first of you, I did like the
mic spin of like again I joke with my you know,
it was like the highest rated game of the season.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
And then we also had some Yeah that's fine.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
So I look at the Fox Friday thing, that's its
own thing, right, that's it, that's separate one. And then
we have the split game thing that's issue too, and
then we have the Fox first ABC thing. I think
it's wild a that the the normal Fox games with
ABC is being hurt so bad, like because this is
all like this is Fox's brainchild, right, like, Hey.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
We're going to start the USFL and bring this.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
In and do all this, and then meanwhile, you know ABC,
you know ESPN's doing a lot of that heavy lifting,
and then they get these ABC and now we can
talk about the NB you know that movie. Uh uh
that then moving the game to ABC for to the NBA,
which I bet is why that game peaked At the
end of the ratings, Mike Mitchell and the UFL and
brass That's why. And this is why I peaked at

(09:22):
the end and not the beginning, is because it was
leading into the NBA pregum. But they got to figure
that out. Yeah, because Fox, they're taking it in the
bath here where that's like this is their baby, like
this was their whole, Like let's get Brian and let's
do the USFL, we got the Spring League, let's do
all this. And then yeah, ABC is just well, we're
just kind of broadcasting some games.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
For the split window, I will say I saw I
think it was Zach with newsroom posted the map. It
showed Texas and then whether it would have been Texas
and Michigan right for the or what, Yeah, it would
have been like there was only two. It was a
very limited split window. Mostly everyone got this Nat Lewis game.
I saw the map, and then the reason why Fox

(10:05):
does that.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Is so they can say, we'll see we had two games.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
They had two Fox games on two different games got
Maine Fox slots, even though one only got shown in
five percent of the country.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
That's why they do that.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't know that that helps build a league. At
my I mean you can pad your staffs. I guess,
so you still got five hundred ninety one thousand that
you pulled put out on Nielsen. So I mean to me,
I don't know, but I will say the people that
actually watch both those games, but I mean pretty decent.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, who is pat saying?

Speaker 1 (10:34):
And the comments are on fire. There's a new option
that I can like show this, like show the comments
I think live as they come in. I don't trust that.
I don't trust.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
I get it. Well, they are really heating up here.
You're right, but no.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
But anyway, so for that regard, but I will say.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I I would take the ABC Sunday rating with a
grain of salt because of that. Because of that peak,
we had a doula on here. The NBA countdown lead
in the reason for the game was over. So you know,
it is what it is and you're not going to
quibble over any of that. The USFL did that right
season two when they let in the indie Indy car
ask I don't know.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
When Kentucky derby NBC Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, it blew up and they were like, we had
like a million, one point five million viewers.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh it had I think it had too million million,
it was huge.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
They lead in for that and that's what you need
to do, but they don't.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I mean, you know, we're talking here and we'll move
on here.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
But uh, you know, there's a lot of comments like
why are they on this slot or why are John
We can't even schedule the home games in our playoffs
where we want to have them, so like you know
what I mean, And I'm not saying that for slight
I mean, I you know, I mean, I try it.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
It's the same with me.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Like I could probably ask to interview a lot of
people on the show, and then there's a lot of
people that will probably say no because like you you know,
but you're just where you are and league you got
to kind of know you're picking or any other big takeaway.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
I don't want to do like an hour on.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
This, but anything else because we don't normally have the
full the full picture there. But oh yeah, I'd be
super happy with the ABC but Fox two of the
issues there from.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
That Friday Night is still rough.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, they got to work on that, it is, and
you know, eventually, I think, you know, I think there
will be a twenty twenty six season. I think there's
gonna be some maybe some wholesale changes here. And if
they continue to do the Fox Friday Night, I can't
imagine that Fox doesn't say, Okay, we want to flex
at least a few of these games after maybe Week
five or something like that.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Here's the question. So I guess, yes, we are.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Technically we've confirmed the twenty six season, right, they sent
out there there you can buy season tickets now, right,
you can pre buy season tickets for twenty six And
then I have another news item. But does that change
your life at all? Or is that just status quo?

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Uh No, I mean, you can take deposits and sell
season tickets, but are I mean, are we really thinking
that there's going to be a team in Houston or
in Memphis next year? I mean, I don't know. I
mean that you're going to get that deposit back. I
don't know how that works. I you know, I would
love I hope there is. I mean, but they've got
they got to they gotta fix some things there. But no,

(13:18):
I mean the short answer is that it really doesn't.
I mean, it's good. But also, you know, something that
you and I had talked about before is remember when
we all knew with this merger that some teams are
going to be out and they're signing players and they're
hiring coaches, and we're like, as you said, this seems
disingenuous because we knew none of this was gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well and no, I mean the reason I ask, and
I don't mean to be facetious, but I do.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Sometimes we get these news stories like.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know, Specialists, you know, Specialist showcase announced for next year,
and it's like, well, there you go, like, you know,
whatever can so you know that that might change your lot.
I don't you know, it might make you feel better.
That's why I'm asking. I was bought into. You know,
I got my dragons, what was it? I guess I
got my dragons money back when COVID happened, right, And
then I think for my Sea dragons, I think we

(14:08):
had paid in for the next year, and I think
we got our money back.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I'm trying to remember. I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
It was right at that line where like we were committed,
you know, it happened, right. I feel like we paid
our money and it was quickly refunded or we didn't.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
It was right before we paid it.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I mean I hope it doesn't get to that point,
but you got to. You gotta think the UFL's already
have has been having some talks behind the scenes, and
we haven't heard a lot about expansion either.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
So the other quick story and Pat I think had
tweeted it with some of the work that Pat does
with his school for coaching. But the UFL is doing
these like offseason local I had the list. I don't
know if they I was seeing if I could bring
it up on like the computer. I just got the email.
I don't think we have a let me see if
I can do that, but I just think it's cool

(14:53):
to kind of be do more outreach that way and
kind of brings more any thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I want to see if I can pull that up
real quest.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Yeah, I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
It gets the UFL out in the community, and places
like Memphis have been getting out in the community and
you're seeing a lot more of that. Talking to some
people still like in Birmingham and some other markets that
the marketing there, the outreaches that there, but these but
there are a lot of markets that are doing this
and I love seeing Yeah, this, I love seeing the
UFL do this in their markets. That's really that's really.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Cool one hundred percent. And just because I've been on
here in a couple of weeks, this is great. You
have all the locations here, we're doing one you know,
in every city, hosted by the teams. You know, let's
get some of the players out to be involved in that.
And then also I just got another email from the
Showboats with the story for Boogie Roberts. And I know
that the Renegades have done a really good job too

(15:43):
with doing David over there, with the Renegades running some
of their socials posting stories every I just wanted to
make sure because I did complain about that, like maybe
a month or so ago, like it was in me,
I would have one.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Of these stories every week. So there's two teams that
are doing that, So that's great.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
No, I think these youth are great because that one
thing that separates to me, that separates the UFL from
a lot of leagues is it's accessible. And these kinds
of camps, you know, these are hands on, These are
kids that get to go there, and then it's not
going to completely break the bank if you want to
take your kids to one of the games. Now the
tickets prices are a little bit higher, but you can,

(16:19):
you know, you can still go to a game and
it's affordable, and you know, you build a base. It
makes the parents feel good, It certainly makes the kids excited.
But when you can get out and you know you
can touch these players and you can talk to them
and it's one on one and in these markets, I mean,
there's no loss on this.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
This is all. This is all a win win situation.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
We had one comment here, We'll do y uh, We'll
do attendance and then we'll move on. Need more memes
and bigger in between the teams. I will stay And
I agree with this where Mike Mitchell and we were
talking even in our group chat this week that uh,
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
It was a big McLendon had.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
A completion for a touchdown and you know, the caption
was like my nay, and Mike was like, this is
such an impressive like could we please like it? Just
it found very lame kind of Twitter posting. And I
would agree because I think that Fox and them have
taken over a lot of this this year. So we
know that Leo with the BattleHawks, I don't believe it's

(17:15):
with the league anymore. We knew Jay friend of the
you know, uh, friend of the show and medium or whatever.
He's not with the Brahmas, so they're you know, you
have like one guy in Fox Corporate that's doing a
lot of this stuff. Like it's just you don't have
you lose that, and I think it's very lost.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well, it just felt like last year the Brahmas and
BattleHawks were two of the biggest trash talkers certainly on
Instagram that I saw, and it was it was really
funny stuff. I mean it was you know, sometimes those
kinds of things feel forced but you're in, which I
think it does a little bit this year with some
of them, but yeah, they were I just thought that
was really good and it's too bad that they lose
those people because that is such another you know, accessible

(17:54):
outreach and they and a lot of times they will,
you know, they'll talk back, you know with fans and
that kind of thing. And I think you know, when
you do that, you you you feed a base and
then you grow a base that way, and it's free.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
It's free.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Oh, I think it's great.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I mean, I think it's it's uh, it's I've said
this before. The UFL is far closer to the CFL
than they would like to.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Admit, and that I mean that in a great way
of the CFL engaging.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I mean, the CFL does such a great job, especially
at post COVID and kind of ramping it back up,
but rolling out into the communities and do it. I mean,
I have notifications on for the Lions just because I
know Matt and it's my team, and I mean they're
always out somewhere at some bar doing the show where
they're at some you.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Know, the cheerleaders or the thing or the like. It's
just you need to do that.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
One quick comment here, de Marcus had the Fox podcast
could use some juice boxing jes got I was just.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Gonna make a joner.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I texted John, I've been making fun of sam Acha
the last couple of weeks on the broadcast. Yeah, this weekend, right,
he's in the ESPN. I I don't really, I don't.
I don't see like network, Like I just kind of
turned on the TV and I like, whatever it's on,
So whatever Sam's on. But he looked like he was
in the Nation of Domination, and so I tweeted, I said,

(19:13):
sam Acho is personally keeping Spencer Gifts in business in
twenty twenty five, and I didn't realize that he followed me,
and so I clickly deleted the tweet. But the damage
was done, John Sam Sam's damage.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Ye, you lost a follower.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
It was worth it, though, Well, I can tell you
one thing, Gus Johnson would have been a thousand times
better than what we heard from Tam Brando on that game.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
It is like, God bless him.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I think tam Brando probably did USFL games back in
the eighties, but that that was not it.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Just real quick here as we're twenty minutes, Sam, We're
doing good though, any thoughts, attendance figures, I just to
say it came out.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
I just want to make sure we touch dc Uh.
That was rough.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
It was, I mean we talk all this that the cherry,
you know, the just did versus whatever. I will just
say I've been in Audifield twice for XFL games and
then I've obviously watched a lot of on my TV,
and that was the least amount of people I've ever
seen them there.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
That was a very poor showing for.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
The Yeah, you know when they're showing those wide shots,
especially where the beer Snake is. I don't know if
you've heard about the beer Snake, but they've got.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
A thing there.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Wait, this might be something new for you. Uh, but yeah,
that that did look pretty empty.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I was at Saint Louis. I don't know that it
was thirty thousand, but there was an awfully good crowd there,
especially considering the bad weather that it hit, you know,
the night before and everything that was going on in
Saint Louis. And I think that there probably would have
probably would have been thirty thousand people there for that
game because that was huge.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
It was just funny because even in the it's allid
was that the way that Logan Bill was at Like
I can't remember I saw Lugan Bill was at the
DC game.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Okay, So they were.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Talking and he's like, he goes, yeah, you know the beers. Yeah,
of course, like everyone knows the beer Snake. He's like, yeah,
you know, they're really kind of lack and they really
they're postures like they need to hold it back, like
because it was kind of getting sloppy. I go even
there over it, Like I'm overholding this beer snake for
four hours, Like I'm over it. Could you imagine like

(21:12):
that's my seat, that's what I do.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
I don't know, well, you know, you know, I mean
it went to it really quickly, like that's that's their
cash cow, that's the low that's the low hanging fruit
on this. But you know, I'm not gonna beat them
up too bad because the casual who watches this for
the first time is going to see that for the
first time and they're going to be like, hey, what
is this.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
That's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
So I know, for us again, we're the Sikos who
watched every down, so we've seen it before.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Had had no one ever stacked a beer cup inside
another beer cup in the continue this line before DC
played in the XFL and twenty.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
They never did that in Madrid or like Barcelona. They
never like.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Men in college, I don't know, I mean, did.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
They do that in Tablasso?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Like I'm just really maybe they will see maybe maybe
DC is going to start something and people will say,
where did the bear snake originate? And like the DC
defenders And let me tell you about the UFL, you know,
like where Jehovah's witnesses here.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Let you have time to talk about the UFL.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
You know, the university. You know what is it?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
A fan at the University of Washington created the wave
and I hate them to this day. Did you know
that the wave at UW? It's like, but that's credited as.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
That was that? Who was it? Bill Parcells?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
It was one of the NFL coaches back in the
eighties who just absolutely hated that and talked about it
all the time.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I hate it.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Here we go the day it's new, but you can't
bring in the cups? All right, Uh, let's go into
all this stuff. I think we've done any of that stuff.
Where is my standings here?

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Do I have that?

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Do all that? All right?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
So we kind of have things locked down. We'll do
the games here. D C was able to lock down.
Well I guess not right, not home field, but we
were hosting it in Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
What do you make I guess what do you make
of that?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
What do you make of neither first place team being
able to host in their conference?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Well, you know it does because it's you know, it
feels like the UFL had even said like they knew
this was a possibility. So why why did this? Why
is this still a possibility, and why did this happen.
I think they were trying to maybe avoid the worst
like they did last year. If you'll remember Birmingham and
Michigan played at Birmingham last year, it was for home

(23:33):
field advantage. But once again Michigan they weren't able. They
wouldn't have been able to play at Ford Field, but
Birmingham ended up beating him. I think it was last
year year before, so they were able. They were able
to avoid that. No, so it does kind of bother me.
But you know, I like Shannon Harris's take. He says,
you know that we can play on the moon. Uh,
you know, we'll just have to get our astronauts.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Suit ready and we'll play. So he's fine with it.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
But I think he did this as he said, I
hated for the fans because you know, the fans are
the ones who are coming out there and you know,
you feel like you want to be playing for something
like obviously you want to be playing for a playoff spot,
but also what how about the extra juice that it
gives to like, well, if we do this and we
get some help or we you know, went out, then

(24:17):
we're going to have home field advantage. And you're just
you're hamstrung when you when you begin. So no, I
don't like that at all. But you know, again, this
is a spring football league. We're continuing it. There's tinks
to work out, and hopefully year after year there'll be
a little bit more learning and a little bit way
to figure out some of these situations.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's it's really hard. And I was just reading before
we came on here.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Right, the NFL is they're doing all their voting for
their flag football, and I think even their owners are
voting to get rid of the you know, you automatically
get the home field advantage if you win your division,
which I think is horrible. And I I'm split.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I hate this because you know it it makes a
mockery of the entire right like idea.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Of playing and what do we do with standings and
everything else? But like does it?

Speaker 1 (25:06):
I think the Saint Louis DC one matters more to
me the Birmingham Michigan one. You're getting on a plane
anyway and flying like, I don't does six thousand in
Michigan like six thousand in Michigan, I don't. That to
me doesn't matter as much.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah, I know, I think it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I think it affects the XFL Conference much more because
you those are the two strongest home field advantages that
you have in the entire league.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
So that, yeah, to me, it's.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Like that that takes away a little bit of this.
It takes away some of the seriousness of this league. Uh,
if that makes sense, I think it hurts the brand
a little bit. I don't know that again, the casual
viewers out there who will be watching the playoffs, I
seriously doubt the broadcasts are really going to go into well,
it should have been this, but because you know, they're
having the rodeo or whatever's happening, they couldn't play there.

(25:52):
I don't think they're going to go into that. So
I don't think a lot of people are going to
know this outside of our you know, niche of people
watching here.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
And that that That's kind of where I'm at, Like,
I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I think it's bad. And you said, I feel bad
for the fans.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
And if you lived in you know, yeah, if you
lived in Outfield, you know, if you if you lived
in a Field, if you lived in DC, like remember
when Baker Mayfield like lived at the Browns stadium.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
I loved those commercials. Is that protective?

Speaker 4 (26:19):
That was though?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
That Yeah, that was when he was played for the
Browns and he was progressive. It was, yeah, and it
was it was on some insurance.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Commerce all stay protect your house at Baker That might
have been it anyway, but.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Yeah, no, I mean so I feel bad that way.
You know the players. Yeah, it's totally bush league.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
But it's like, like I said, you're getting on you
already have ag mccerran making fun of getting on the
same plane with guys Like does it matter if you're
playing it.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
I don't know, it is what it is. I would
be upset, but I got it.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well, you think about it too.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
If you're a season ticket holder, like and you're supposed
to get, like, you know, first DIBs on tickets, Well.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
What's the incentive for me to buy season tickets if
I know that my team couldn't get home field advantage
but I'm not going to be able to see them,
so that I mean to me that that's one thing
that would bother me.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
You know if I lived in one of those communities.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Well not only that, but I mean you can pre
buy in theory, pre buy your season tickets for next
year if potentially your team was here and potentially they come.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Back and they make it to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
And yeah, I mean anyway, all right, so let's uh,
let's see all this we have the Friday night game.
Speaking of all that brom is here going down, I
saw a lot of them like aj Smith tweeting on
Twitter like he's really gone crazy here just with obviously
him not on the team anymore and everything and showboats
and coming down to overtime, a lot of back and
forth that what did.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
You make we only will do a deep dive? We
got a half power? What'd you make it? This one?

Speaker 2 (27:41):
What I really liked is those are two teams have
nothing to play for, like other than individual you know,
trying to get as we said before, trying to get tape,
and you're playing for pride. And to see that, you
know what they that to me like that was that
was really cool to see those two teams like still
continue to give it their all. And you know, I
don't think any of these guys are gonna be quitters

(28:03):
or too many of them now. I think we're gonna
see a lot more retirement, So I know, you know,
Pat's already written an article about some of the guys
who're retiring. I think we're gonna see a lot more,
you know, maybe even could have been some today that
I haven't seen. But as we move along, especially after
this this next week, like, are some of these guys
who don't have a chance, are they gonna just say, like,
I'm not playing another week of this.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
I'm gonna move on.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
But I just really liked what we saw with this game.
It was an entertaining game and nothing on the line,
but man, that was fun.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
It's just hard.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
It's hard with the ten week season to have these
teams out with two weeks.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's just it's really hard. And the CFL gets brutal
like the last.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because I mean, the CFLs what did they do twenty
one eighteen games twenty one.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Weeks through, Like it's just the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Unless it really matters for one of the team, it's
just brutal to watch. So I certainly feel about that
way and just I mean just the brahmas. I just
feel like the players just totally got hose and it's
just a really unfortunate situation this year.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
I feel like at least Memphis has had.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Uh you know, we've at least had like fun talking
about Dresser winning. So I can't remember the last time
like we enjoyed talking about the Brahmas.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, no, that's a good point. And you know, both
these teams said a lot of turmoil and coaching changes
and they've gone through quarterbacks and everything else. But yeah,
you're right, it was that was that was a fun game.
I'm I'm interested to see what interested to see what
happens in the last two weeks with a lot of
these teams.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
There was I think past specifically, but a lot of
us with Kevin Hogan playing for the Brahmas not maybe
giving other people a chance or you have something you
know you're talking here the next couple of weeks, Like
in terms of the Brahma's game plan on this, do
you think that was weird that Kevin Hogan saw so
much of the game time.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, I'm very reluctant to talk bad about Kevin Hogan
because I know Pat's watching and I don't want him
to block my number because I want my wife to
love me as much as he loves Kevin Hogan. But yeah,
you're right, you're starting to take your I think you're
taking reps away from guys who have a future. That's
why I think we might see a lot more, a
lot of different quarterbacks here.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
I was, and the Troy Williams thinks surprised me too.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
It's like maybe they felt like dresser Win had enough
they wanted to give Troy Williams, you know, an opportunity here.
So uh but yeah, I think I think we're gonna
see a lot of different players, different skill position players especially,
you know, get in there last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Do you think that coach has done enough Jim Turner
here with the show notes to kind of stick around
next year?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Do you think he would?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
I mean, we're I'm just trying to get one more
question here about this game before we move on.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
But do you feel like he's invested? Like what do
you send to this? Is he done? See?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I could hit me like, well, I mean, I could
see that, but you know, I don't know. I don't
I don't haven't talked to him, so I don't know.
I don't know what's going on behind the scenes in Memphis,
if there will be a Memphis team next year. On
the surface, though I would love to see him come
back in some capacity, whether it's a head coach or
you know, maybe he just he's like, you know, I'm

(30:56):
going to be a position coach. I want to work
with these guys. I don't need all this other stuff
because you saw the frustration a few times on the
sideline last few games. So yeah, I don't know, but
I would love to see him come back. I mean,
it's not even not even that he's a character. I
think he's a really good football coach.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Just looking at this and I'm just I'm just such
a loss for both of these teams. I like the Brahmas,
and we've had so much with the attendance and the season,
and they still have home games because they were you know,
they were backloaded.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
They have more because of March madness, and like, right,
it's really tough to be.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I mean, at least Memphis I got a little bit
of a thumb up, But maybe you don't. I mean,
just to put a pin in both these teams, do
you feel like you have any motivation or fam I
just it feels like it's pretty mild both these teams
moving forward, both football wise and off the field.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, I meant a wonder. I mean, I think I
think Memphis is on the fence. I mean, as far
as as a franchise goes, you know, you know, they
they it felt like they were doing everything right getting
out in the community. As I've said several times, I
mean I saw it, and you know, there there was
a hardcore group of fans, but it's you know, it's
it's too small. And but as far as San Antonio goes,

(32:08):
I think if that team had been better, we would
have seen the kind of turnout that we've seen before.
Even though when you start to look at the other
San Antonio Spring football franchises, including was that the San
Antonio was the commanders that were there in the AAF.
I mean that they had great crowds, and I just
think maybe that community has gotten a little burnt a

(32:29):
little bit on spring football, especially after that, and you know,
and then and then Hines Ward walking away, and now
you've got Wade Phillips walking away so much. So many
things has happened last couple of years. But I think
Memphis is kind of the big question mark right now
for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, I feel I don't know, malaise is that the
right word?

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Is out of no.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
I think I think that's fair.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Yeah, I and just in general with some of these teams.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And we were even talking before on you know, just
time text earlier today about you know, it's real hot
right now here and just you know, kind of the
space and fring football and everything, and I think it's
really I mean, it's twenty five, it's gonna be six yeah,
next season is gonna be six years since twenty twenty.
Like I do feel like you're running the course on
some of these teams or franchises.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I mean when it's a comin for another time, but
I just don't I don't know how you even like
if I worked in San Antonio, Like I don't even
know how do I send an email out like please
please be excited about our.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
Team next year, please come to a game that I mean,
I mean that in.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
All seriously, I just it's so hard Memphis too, but
it's it's pretty ch it.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Is and you know, it was just interesting in Saint Louis,
like the local Fox station does a thirty minute pregame show,
you know, from it was like from eleven thirty eastern
to noon before kickoff. You knew the battle Hawks were
playing there, like you know, and I'm not trying to
cause there's but Saint Louis is such an outlier. But
I do think that there are things to be learned

(33:57):
from that. And I have to think that some of
these these you know, other teams and general managers and
everything have gone to them. It's like, you know, what's
working here now. Granted again, it's an outlier because of
the situation with the Rams and how that you know,
there was still I saw another you know, cronky suck
shirt when I was there, so there that's that that's
still there, and that's one of the big reasons, uh,

(34:19):
that the BattleHawks have been so popular. But also that's
a football town and these other places are football towns,
and you know, there's but but you're right, like, what
what is it that you like you said, how what
do you email out? What do you tell the community, like, yeah,
please get excited about this.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I don't know, It's really it's really hard to me
for like some of these markets.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I look at ahead here because I just want to
it's like about it anymore because I'm just like God,
I just till this.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I want to talk through this with the Saint louis Is.
Speaking of value, the pregame, John was in Saint Louis. Uh,
super fan here. No one doubt him for being the
super fan of the UFL, for going out to the games.
So this was I don't think we'll do too much
on the other doubleheader that we didn't get to see
a ton of, right, did Houston?

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I can't even remember the Houston. Yeah, Michigan won now
of course.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, yeah, so we'll we'll we'll touch on that in
a quick second. But you were in attendance for this
and I watched every snap of this game.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
This was an exciting one.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Uh. First up, general thoughts, because then I have a
very pointed question for you.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
You know, I think there's legitimate concern for Max dug
and a quarterback, and you know, again, how do you
bet against Skip Holtz? You know, I know it's not
going to be popular to give him and you know,
a Coach of the Year award because he's won three
straight championships and all that, but what he has done
this year with what feels like seventy three different quarterbacks,

(35:42):
it's just it's incredible. And then you know Jmar comes
in off the street. He's had two really good games.
I mean he just you know, there.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Was just the you know, there was the fumble at
the end. That was a great defensive play. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
But you know, obviously the atmosphere it was it was fun.
Even though it might not have been thirty thousand people,
it's just such a fun place. It's there were they
even had even sold tickets up in the four hundred
sections up top.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
It was really cool. It's it was fun. And those
were two.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It was worthy when you see like what this might
have been a UFL championship preview. Uh, these were two
really good teams and it came down to one play.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Here's my question, Uh do well actually have a couple?
But does do the BattleHawks.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Win this game?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
If anyone previous to Jmr Smith this quarterback in the stiance.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
I mean, I don't know that that would have changed
a whole lot. I mean I understand that you know
your offense is going to go through your quarterback, but
I don't know that it would have changed a whole lot.
I just like, like, are you're saying like if like
Alex Magoo had played.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yeah, I mean it struck me a lot that JMR
was running for his life a lot, right, And I'm
looking down here on the stats and you had you know,
Skips yelling at JMR on the sidelines and not being
He's like, well, you can't throw a screen pass, you
can't play, and so to me and I'm I'm, you know,
super excited that the BattleHawks won and this is your
both your teams, and I'm sure you were just going

(37:11):
crazy because it's like this is like John's super Bowl
and oh well, and and let us make sure we
shout out, you know, anyone that was hurt and in
the tornado there because you kind of survived that driving.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I mean, there was a lot of like stuff. I
don't want to kind of wash over that.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
But it felt to me like JMR just wasn't I mean,
I know he had the three times, it just it
didn't feel like you were beating Jamar that. I'm just
curious to me, there's an asterisk there because the battle
Hawks beat the Stallions with JMAR, with Skip yell and
they have not known what was going on.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well, I think a lot of that is, you know,
Skip and JMR have been together for quite a while,
so I think a lot of that is. Those are
just two very competitive people. And you know, he knows
Skip Holtz knows he can talk to Jmar that way.
And it's not gonna be Jmr is not going to
a shell. He's gonna he's gonna listen to it and
do better. But man, I mean he had some great
passes and that first one, I mean that first touchdown

(38:04):
passed that Jmar Smith had, I mean that crowd went silent,
and then they you know, and and then I think
they kicked a field goal after that, and we're you know,
I'm looking at my wife, I'm like, this might be
this one.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Might be over.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
They had some big plays, they had some explosive plays.
I mean, I'll give them, I'll give them that. But
Saint Louis's defense did tighten up quite a bit. And
but I honestly, I don't know that, you know, I
don't I'm not sure that that a different quarterback, either
on either side would have made a difference.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
I think it would have. We would have seen that
and it would have come down to the wire.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
We had a couple of comments here, Pat says, crowd
gets two hundred yards sixty five yards rushing. That's very
likely mar is the only quarterback they could have won
with worse others.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Uh, there you go.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I I just I let's just say this. You know,
I might not lay the Stallions that much just because
of like everything just in my life.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
It's the last how many years they existed.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Imagine like just like use your head, like imagine why
read might not like the stiance and then imagine like
then Jamar comes back, and then then he gets like
all the publicity like on that team that I also
don't like, and then like he's sitting there like I
just I'm like very annoyed, and he's got the megamind
brain like I'm just very annoyed.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
You I'm just trying to poke holes. I'm trying to
poke holes.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I get it. You you you need to work through this.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Every I have.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
I mean, you are a known hater.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
We know that for a fact, that you're a known
hater of the XFL, the USFL, the Birmingham Stallions.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
I mean, we can go on and.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
On, but no, I just to me, and there are
a lot of people out there and probably some people
that are watching this that think that if Birmingham wins again,
it's bad for the league. Uh, I don't share that opinion.
I think that if you you can, you're working in
a spring league that has ten games a season, that
has eight teams, and you can build a dynasty that quickly.

(39:59):
I mean, to me, I think that's more headline grabbing
than if another team win. Now, if it's Saint Louis
and they win there and it's you know, fifty thousand
people show up, then that's a different story. But no,
I think it's I think it's good. Uh you know,
I think the Stallion story is good. And yeah, maybe
I'm biased too because that was always my USFL team,

(40:19):
So maybe I was biased.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Uh. Now, I'm going to put something on the screen here,
John and I. This is all abdual, So this is
not this is not read secret account to see Saint
Louis show up to the game and when the tornado
went through their community and Birmingham can attend the game
because the church.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
It's not nice. It's just not nice.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
It It's true though, And here's what I'll say that
that storm, you know, all kidding aside, that tornado was
it was devastated. Uh, you know a lot of the
area and certain people there, and still you had and
there was a moment of silence at the game and
you but you still had that many people show up. Now,
the UFL did not do Birmingham any favors to put

(41:04):
a game on Sunday, Mother's Day at eleven am Central time,
because you got exactly what any anybody watching this right now,
including you and me, would know, you're gonna get four
hundred people show up. I mean that was just like,
why would you schedule Birmingham at home on that day?

Speaker 4 (41:23):
But it is.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
But Abdul has a point when Birmingham, I think a
lot of people like to go to Sunday school and church.
Don't schedule those games. I remember going to the USFL
games down there in twenty twenty two when you got
you know, you got the game Saturday and Sunday. They
put the stallions on at night and it was you know,
the low the place was packed. But then you go

(41:46):
to the Sunday noon game or whatever time that was,
and there's nobody there. I was one of about fifty
people there. That's just that's what it's gonna be, even
when the home team's there on a Sunday.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
We got a comment here at your friend Gregory new
slash read this the Stallions John from Michigan to show
the photo that he texted to me over the week.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Well, of course, of course I gotn't pulled.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
That's what I was doing here John and Gregory out
here outside. We saw Gregory at the championship game last
year Stallions. He's got the three, he wants the four anyway,
Gregory was checking there.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Yes, we got you, Gregory. I was very excited.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
John texted me that he said he was having the
seven numbers.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Did you have fun so you got recognized? I mean
that's exciting.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Well, I mean, greg he knew I was going to
be there.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
That was It's not like I wasn't don't have to
qualify John, So no, it was. Uh it was funny
last year when I went, there was a guy he
he I think he put in my YouTube comments later
he's like, I thought I saw you at the game.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
I thought you were there.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
It's like, come on, man, that my wife would have
actually been impressed that someone would have recognized me at
the Saint Louis battle Ized game.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
But no, it was cool.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
And here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
The Saint Louis fans, some of them were giving greg
some grief and he went along with it and he
and it was great and most of them were like
they were cool with it, and you know, it was
like to see a Birmingham guy in the Birmingham Stallion's
sweatshirt show up. But it was a cool atmosphere. I
thought everybody. Everybody was was cool about it, even though
he took some grief, but he Cook called with him.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's funny because I knew Gregory when he said hi.
But I will get the occasional like we'll be like
when we were in Arlington. I'll get the egage like hey,
read what's going on? And Dorothy would be like who
was to I'm like, no idea, So you know, I mean,
you know, it's like I just you know, my god,
oh or or oh it's x P Y seven to

(43:38):
two whatever on Twitter, you know, like you know all
this stuff. One comment just from David because this is true.
It does just feel like the Stallions have given him
going yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
It kind of in that market, it does.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
And again, you know, being down there last year and
well I've been down there the last three years. If
you didn't know that the Birmingham Stallions were playing at
Protective stadium. You're not gonna find out anywhere else. Now,
they did have a billboard up. It was one of
those you know that rotated things. It wasn't a permanent
billboard like near the stadium. But there's just it just

(44:13):
felt like there's not a lot of outreach in that
market for whatever reason, and you know they're not going
to show up just obviously just because you win championships.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Any other thoughts I had one, I have a couple
of comments I'll throw any other thoughts.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
On the game itself.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
How do I hide of that of the current anything
else from Saint Louis and Birmingham?

Speaker 3 (44:32):
The game?

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, I think, you know, for Saint Louis and Pat
Pat Pat put it the right way this is it
was kind of funny what he says about Max Duggan's
throwing motion. It's like it's the wind up and the
pitch and it's like you you know it, you know
what's coming, because it's like it's almost I'm not going
to compare him to Tebow.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
I wouldn't do him that way because I think he's
a better quarterback.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
But it's just it the there's a motion there that
he's got to work on and I know you're jmar hater,
but I mean two hundred sixty two yards and three
touchdowns against a very good defense was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
It's good. I'm excited. I mean i'd be I'd be happy.
I mean, I'm like, I'm out, you know, I'm I'm
Switzerland at this point. So I haven't really interested.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Did you catch any of the split game in your
in your rewatch or.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
I did not?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I have not yet watched it, And then like, I
do want I kind of want to see it, but
Bryce Perkins didn't play, so I was like, well, I
don't you know, and then it was a you know,
thirty to twelve games or eighteen or whatever it was.
So I was like, eh, although, my god, I just
I just seen the light.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I didn't realize Jayleen McLain that threw fifty passes.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
That's why I was didn't either, So I was just
gonna ask me.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
You know, no one else knew it either, apparently.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Well, because I get I saw and that's why it's
not I know that I think it was DeMarcus. I
think I had retweeted on on there that you know
both games are on the app. I mean, I get
why well, I told you why they do it at
the top of the show. But anyway, I just we
don't need to do a whole deep dive on best.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
That's a lot. That's like a CFL style.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, I will go back and watch. This might be
my treadmill watch in the morning.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Okay, okay, there you Danny Atlan's on fire if he
was all fan.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
So this was a game.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I mean, this was this was a game, and this
came down to it and I get to you know,
we talked off the top and because I knew John
was driving back, so I text him a bunch of
stuff and I said, you know, you enjoy all this when.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
You get back. I don't know if you did it
or not. You can maybe enjoy it or consume it.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
But I mean, far lesser stakes and not at the
not at the goal line. But that was that just
brought back the Seahawks there, but the least at least
throwing that pass.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
In the interception.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I thought, Oh, I just I was I don't know
if I remember where I was when that happened.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I mean the Seahawks game I was watching that. Maybe
you do, But anyway, what'd you make of the game?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Well, I'd really rather not talk about the Seahawks. Thank
you too soon. But yeah, I mean, you know, what
a great game. It was again one of those that
comes down to the wire. But that was just very
un Luis like, uh, you know, to do that, and
it probably will not show up in a new version
of this which by the way, is still available. I
just wonder, if you know, I still got to wonder

(47:13):
if if this might be it for him?

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Uh if you? If you?

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But I just finished this book, by the way, I
don't know how many times that I that he said,
like this might be it for me, Like, and.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I just wanted to make sure you got on there
big enough.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
There we go. How's that?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
But he just I mean, he does have a great story,
but there's and and it's all in there. But it's like,
after after reading that book, I'm thinking, and then this
happens this year, and then this happens in this game,
like he might go into coaching after this. I mean,
still he's a Hall of Famer, there's no question in
my mind. But yeah, but what a game. And again,

(47:54):
let's not overlook the DC Defenders, because I mean this team,
this team might be primed. I was it was interesting
to see that the ESPN bat I think they were
the longest odds for the UFL championship, which I mean
to me, that's that's pretty surprising.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Uh, this this was this I David, I see your
comments in the chat. We'll do David's comments at the
end he screened. But I forgot about the injury reports.
We can do about Mike Nolan well Panthers, Well, we'll
do that. But no, I mean, this was like the
Tamu game. I mean, this felt like you Prime Tamu
running around and I mean, this is, like you said,

(48:32):
it's probably the last time the Louis press is that
we're going to play football against especially probably with s
Jordan Tamu kind of like this. I mean, it's cool
kind of way for them to go out after the game.
I think it was after the pick and then they
you know, there there's the sidelines. I think Bob got
a about three words out and then they had to
cut the audio because yes, I think he was pretty
upset with Luis afterward.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Blame that.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I mean, I don't want to put the whole game
down to that, but do you have any thoughts on
just yeah that.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, I mean Louis Perez did throw was say what
are we looking at here? Three hundred and sixty yards
and a couple of touchdowns and the yeah, I mean
the the that one interception that was tough, but it's
still I mean, I don't know how you hang a
loss on you know, he wasn't out there playing safety,
so he's not out there playing corner. Uh, you don't
that loss, you can't. You cannot hang on him on

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that one.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
But yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Jordan Tommy, like he's just he is such he is
so fun to watch and it feels like he there
might be a little you know, he was one of
those kind of eleventh hour guys you didn't know if
he was going to come back or not, you know
sometimes and it feels like there's a joy with him now,
like he's he seems to be like, you know, really
enjoying the play and a certainly the team. So it's

(49:44):
it's just fun to watch him and fun to watch DC.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So David does Funny Com says, I know, he says
he has a lot of good comments.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
He said, you have to buy the Caper back to
see how it ends. There he got out of me the.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
But yeah, I mean I'm just continually impressed with DC
here all the turma this year and Shannis Harris, you know,
really never faltering and kind of getting these guys and
you know here they are primed too to have a
deep as deep a run as you can have kind
of in the playoffs here in the UFL just with
the one who can the gamp run.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
But I mean, they look really good.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
They look good, and you know, we're well, you know,
they lose their head coach, then they lose their defensive
coordinator and it flt like well that that would have
been really easy for that team and that staff to
just say, you know, it's this is not going to
be our year. Let's just let's all look, you know,
especially the coaching staff. Maybe we just move on. But
what Fred Kaie has done as offensive coordinator with that team, Uh,

(50:42):
they got such talent, you know, and even Abram Smith
has not been like you know what we thought he
might be coming back from that injury. They're still a
great player they've got. I mean, that's just that's an
all around good team and for them to be the
longest shot on the board at least the last last
I saw with ESPN bet was was interesting.

Speaker 4 (50:59):
It might be worth a few dollars.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I wanted to make sure I was looking on here
to see if I had any other tweets. I know, Pat,
I'm just seeing here, I retweeted Pat, how this Tamu
and UH and louis kind of I think because he
had an article out on football as well, kind of
talking about Uh, you know, just kind of them playing
against each other for that, I guess. Let me thoughts
on them moving to the NBA game at the end

(51:23):
of them. Let me make sure because I want to
pull up my tweet talking about the Mike Pereiras or
deem Land, you know, kind of all the any of
all the efficients.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Have any thoughts on the that the what was it? Minute?
Was it like a minute ten left?

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah? It was something. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Because I'm watching, I see on my DVR that it's
about to run out.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
I'm like, what happened here? And I did.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I had to go to YouTube to watch, you know,
the the actually the highlight. I never got to see
it like you know, from the broadcast. But hey, listen,
the UFL had its Heidi game. It got on, you know,
I think it was on maybe Pro Football Talk had
it on, So of course NBC is going to take
a swipe at ABC or whatever. But it was I

(52:00):
thought that or ESPN or whatever it was. But anyway,
so yeah, it was a it was a bad move,
you understand it. But my god, it was an It
was a pregame show. It wasn't like they were delaying
the tip for you know, you would understand, oh, well
they're getting ready to tip off an NBA playoff game.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
That wasn't.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
It was pregame show.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
But we know, I guess we know where the ratings
are and we know where this falls into the the
tier of importance for Disney and ABC.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, it just it was like when the USFL was
it two years ago? They got pulled for because Hardy
Knight Live was starting or they needed to get the
local news and before Sennel or I can't remember what
the order was, but they got they got bumped on
a Saturday, right.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
I do remember the the original the original XFL, Yeah,
had Jennifer Lopez was was the was the host and
it was a big deal and Lord Michaels was about
to lose his mind. And there's actually I mean it
was it was bad because the game. I think the
game was either it was just a long game or

(53:01):
it went to overtime and it and they were it
was it was bad. That was that was a scene.
And then of course people were making fun of how
hew this this flagship show just got just got busted
and had to be I think I don't know. I
guess they went late. But anyway, for the for the
XFL whatever this is.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I had and I think, oh, maybe it was I
had texted it to you. I think I wanted to
talk about it was the Mike Pereira stuff in this game, right,
you remind me on that.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Okay, you were.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Telling me about the catch? Was it not a catch?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
I did so, well, it just there's just to me
this the officiating is just broken in the UFL, and
so it it used to be. I mean even when
the season started, like that was kind of their calling
card this year was hey, we got these challenges and
like we get full access and we have all this stuff,
and you know, we've talked about this on here and

(53:53):
the challenges and the and the touchdowns being pulled back,
and then now it's like, well, uh, they were I
think it was Joel Klatt was Admonichine so like because
they used the challenge and they weren't in like a game.
They were like, they weren't in like a scoring situation.
And I'm like, yeah, last last week, you could challenge

(54:14):
like anything and they would just find something.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
They're like, oh, yeah, that guy held over there.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
And then this week they're like, oh, Anthony Beck, like
you're so dumb, like that was second down, like why
would you have in charge? And then they had that yeah,
the receiver caught the ball right the sidelines and they
they're like, ah, that kind of looks like a catch,
and Mike Prayer is like, no, that's not a catch,
like no, way, like not way too close to review right,

(54:38):
And then I think it was stupid or whoever it
was through the flag.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And then they're like oh, shoot, okay, I got to
look at this. Wow, I guess it is a catch.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I'm like, so then should we be challenging Like he
didn't even bother to review it. Like in the the
announcers are like that looks like a catch and Mike goes, no,
it's not a catch, and then they challenge it and
they looked at it like now like what is the
point of having him be like the review guy.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, well yeah, and he I do remember him saying that,
and you'd given me the heads up on it, and
he's like, oh that, you know, wouldn't that's that's too close,
you know, wouldn't even bother reviewing that until oh I
get okay, I guess we are. Does it correct me
if I'm wrong here, and I'm sure the comments will too.
Does it feel like the challenge has and the rules

(55:25):
of the challenge has evolved a little bit over the season,
because it felt like there were times where you could
throw a challenge flat at the Super Challenge and then
they might find something, but then it was like, oh, well,
you have to tell us, And there have been there
have been a few coaches that were like, wait a second,
I've got to do what now, Like you have to
tell us exactly the number and all this, and if
you get the number wrong then no, it wasn't. I mean,

(55:47):
it was just I didn't know if it was just
me not paying attention. But it felt like that has
evolved over the year.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
It's absolutely changed, because I remember last year and we
talked about it on the show. Whoever was on that
week that I think it was Saint Louis and d C.
I think it was them still and it was uh
back challenged something.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
It was a big run or they had something.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
He goes there had someone had to be holding there,
someone had to be holding, and so then they challenge
it and they're like, oh, yeah, the guy did. But
then you had last week, you know Luis's uh, you know,
touching on it pulled back because oh, well we should
have called that and we didn't. And then we I'm
remembering all this now, and then we had the Dean
Plandino blow the play call mid play because they were

(56:31):
reviewing the play and they go, oh, we have the
whistle go off before the staff.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
No you didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
He was five yards down the field rushing and then
you blew the plate like you can't. What do they
talk about in the NFL, like oh they got the playoff,
Like whoo oh that was crazy, you know, like luckily
they got that playoff because that would have been overturned.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
I just hated that. I just think that it's a mess.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
And yes, you went from you can find anything and
then it was too powerful and then like Dean missed something,
so now he's stopping the game to look at stuff,
and then I doesn't want to look at anything.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
And there's way you can't have.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I don't think you can have a Mike Pereira and
a Dean Landino and they're different personality types, both trying
to run this league.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Officiating.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah, I will say I still like this officiating and
the openness of it and with the mics and everything
better than any other league. I'll take it. I'll take
it every time. And I know sometimes Mike Peer, Mike
Pierre tries to be uh, he tries to be up.
He tries to be a personality sometimes, and that's fine.

(57:34):
I mean, that's okay, but I I do like it.
But I understand what you're saying. I think they need
to be a little bit more. Yeah, they They've got
to be a little bit more consistent there.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
Let me check.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
I just got to be sure.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
He's always like, look let me check here.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
No, I like, but I do like the way that
that they do the officiating and it's open and you
hear you know, and you hear you hear the officials
talk to each other, which is great. I mean I
always there was one of the games and he's and
one of the officials. She said like, uh, you know,
and he was doing all this mess or he's doing
all this business, and I was.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Like, you know, he's no.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
She said, he's playing with this his yes, oh yeah,
grabbing his crotch and all this business. And so it's
like that's how officials talk to each other. If you've
ever been down on the on any level, you hear
him talking to each other like that.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
So that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
But yeah, I think they're going to try to They
need to be a little bit more consistent in it.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
You just to me and I am also just to
round this out, Sam Schwartzey and has talked a lot
about this, and I think he even brought it up
a couple of weeks. You know, we always have this
talk with the challenges and it's Wendy, I hope you
can hear me. Okay, but he said in the original
EXF you know, their original plan for twenty twenty was
they would just review everything, right, so the coaches, because

(58:57):
he's like, I don't want my coaches how to worry
about deploying a challenge or a super challenge or whatever. Right,
But yeah, you know it's hard not but especially some
of these coaches like Shannon Harris or Jim Trump, like okay,
good luck game promoted mid season and also now you
got to remember to do this, like it's an the possibility.
So I like that them doing all that, it's just

(59:19):
so broken. And even then like Stoops won the challenge
and then they're like, well that's your two challenges. You
lost your challenge and he's like, but I won, Like
I won.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
The challenges, Like what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Like, what do you mean I lost both of my challenges.
You guys were wrong twice. I told you twice, and
now I'm screwed.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yo, And uh that might have been the play where
the official said that's a UFL rule.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, it's like you have I think it's like the word,
but you just need to decide it, because yes you
can't because it was. It's it's just it's not the
same rule, it's not the same deployment. And I think
that what I think happened is I think they got
screwed on some of these whatever and now they're like,
we really have to keep.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
An eye on all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Well, you know, you can't talk about training your officials,
and like we promote all these guys to the NFL
and then also like having this kind of stuff anyway,
that's just it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
It's a work in progress, but it's a great It's
it's great in theory. Uh you know, sometimes you just
it's all in the execution sometimes. But I'll still take
it over you know, the whatever, you know, the Ivory
Tower that some of the NFL officials are in.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Last comment for me today because we'll get out of here.
David had this. I just wanted to make sure we
talked about the depth chart just super.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Quick on this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Yeah, because there was all they they didn't have the
right quarterbacks listed, you know, for Michigan that he was
listed as probable and kind of probable, right I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
And and what's your thoughts and then all show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I mean I think this was gamesmanship. But but
David brings up a very good point. Gamesmanship is one
thing people are put bunny on these games, and as
he points out rightfully, so they're partners with underdog. Not
to mention, I don't know if you've ever noticed this,
but ESPN talks a lot about the over under and
other prop bets and things like that. So yeah, I

(01:01:13):
don't know about investigated. But I do think that there
might be some questions that they sit down and say
this is this is this is not how we do
things here. If you is he really probable or is
is he out like that's I mean to say he's
probable and then doesn't play that that stinks that there's
something stinks about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Yeah, I just to me, I don't know if I
need to still have it up or not.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
I just like it just annoys me because and this
is what I tweeted. Whoever someone had tweeted out like
one of the fantasy guys. Jake's one of the guys
I've had on that runs the fancy stuff, and yeah,
he was complaining in and I just said it just
they're so unaware. They're just so unaware of how gambling
and sports betty works. And I said, if they high it,

(01:01:58):
not me, I don't know anything about I don't on it,
like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
I can't bet on sports because I get too upset.
Like I can't. I just I will never bet.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I'm with you. I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
You don't need to worry about it because I'll blow
a gasket. But you need to if you hired someone
for six figures and just said all you need to
do is like you are in charge of the fantasy
and gambling for the UFL and these injured reports like
you would see ten times full. They don't understand this
whole because what the hell would I ever bet on
any of this stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I mean it's weak.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I mean I would get if this was week one
and all these coaches week one, like we know we
could be a competition by week eight. There's no excuse
why you can't. And I would be pissed if I
had money on the game. Yeah, Jake, thank you, Yeah, Jake,
I would just yeah, I'll give credit. He was the
one that tweeted.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
I can't remember he though, but he's a good fanswer guy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
No, I think that that's right, that that turns people off,
and it's not fair. It's not fair to people, you know,
if it's you know, you and me betting five dollars
or somebody else laying a lot more on it, I
think that's something that they will probably look at. And yeah,
I mean I'm not trying to question, you know, like
Mike Nolan being a cheater or something, but no, if
that's if that was the case, where he there was

(01:03:07):
some games and ship then that just can't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
I bet the conversation would go like this, Uh Darryl
or Russ whoever would be like, why do we care?

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
And they would move.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Like, yeah, I don't think he's cheap. I just think
they don't. I don't think they get it. It was
the same thing that the first year, and we would
have to beg them to post the injury.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Or the practice, the injury reports for the practice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, and I remember I think it was even Sam Shaddy,
you know, on his thing on Sam Shady, like he
tweeted one of them. I think it was last year
and they got mad, They're like, well, you can't share these,
and he's like, but you're you know, you're you're sending
them out to the media members. And then we're not
a lot like because even the first year, I was
like should I be posting these?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
They just don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
But like you you were all football people, Like you're
all football people, you're all NFL people, Like how do
you not understand the importance of like on time injury
report and like they're gonna come out Monday, once you're
Friday or whenever you say, like, you're NFL people.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
How is that even a question? Like it's an injury report?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Oh wait, I mean remember we used to get them
at three morning.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I mean you can get them or or uh they
tweeted out Sunday's transaction or Saturday these transactions on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
They go there was no transactions yesterday. What what.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
It's still a work in progress.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Read I'm getting upset. I should get on anything else, John,
anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
I think you need to end this right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Like and subscribe, give them some jails, royal retros, remember
all that stuff, like and subscribe, give the thumb stuff
on here, appreciate everyone. Well, I think I'm good. Now
for a couple of weeks, we'll see what John's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Maybe we'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
About you know, we'll try to do it. We'll get
all that stuff and then should be exciting John. Anything
else you want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
No, I appreciate it, and uh, you know it's all.
It's I'm glad to be back. I think you know
there's still there are things to talk about. We can
get excited about these things.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
It's good.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I had a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Like I said to her, He's like, why are you
watching this game because I want to talk to my friends,
like that's all I was doing. She's like, oh yeah,
well she comes downstairs because what happened is I set
up the treadmill on the TV. And then she's got
her spin bikes and then she'll be like, oh, we're
watching this or you know, so if it's like True
Blood or something, at least it's like, you know, it's

(01:05:27):
like Eye Candy a little bit, like she likes some
of the guys on there, but you know, for the
you know, Dresser Wind isn't doing it for her yet.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
But anyway, all right, we're getting out here. We'll see
you guys.