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Statistics. They can mean many things. It can be a batting average,
a win percentage, correlations, andstandard deviation. But numbers aren't just for
nerds. In life, decisions needdata. In wrestling decisions, projections and
hypotheticals also need data. Here onMatt Stats we take historical data, theories,

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and statistics and apply it to theworld's oldest and greatest sport. Now
to your trio of numerical nerd balls, Glenn Gormley, Kevin Hazard, and
Jason Bryant, Welcome back to anotherepisode of the Matt Stats Show, Wrestling's
version of Moneyball. Along with GlennGormley Kevin Hazard, I'm Jason Bryant,
and today this is the annual MeShow. And when I say Me Show,

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I mean this is the precursor tothe NCAA Championships. The stats,
the facts, the figures, allthe things that we talk about on this
show all year long, a lotof it is based on the NCAA Championships.
Well. For the past twelve years, I have provided a product for
the wrestling community which has basically justbeen boiled down to its common name.

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The guide it is the officially namedis the Matt Talk Online Division I Wrestling
Championship Preview Guide. It's basically justbeen called the Guide. I'm not sure
who came up with that. Itmight have been Jim Gibbons. It might
have been Chain Sparks. It mighthave been somebody Adam Amin from ESPN.
It might have been Jerry Daniels whoused to be in the truck. I'm
not sure who came up with callingit the guide. Hey, hey,

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when's the guide going to be ready? So now I'm just calling it the
guide because that's what it is.You see it there on the screen if
you are watching the video version.If you're not watching, you can check
that out at Wrestling preview guide dotcom. So this is a digital accompaniment.
It is. It's not endorsed bythe NCAAA, but it has every
NCAAA statistic for the season in there, and some caveats that it is every

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match that the committee uses. Theat law is everything D one versus D
one, because we know matches againsthigh school don't count, matches against the
post collegians don't count, matches againstteammates no longer count Matches against non D
one opponents count for your official record, but they do not count for qualification
records. So this is the tournament'sstatistics in a digital format. So that's

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how I've been doing it. That'swhat it is. That's what we're talking
about today on the Match Stats show. We're going to go diving into sections
of it. But Glenn, youused to own a bar and it was
called the green Leaf Cafe. Againgood people, good food, bad parking,
right there in Williamsburg, Virginia.And the concept of this show came
from an email actually got the otherday. I got it from newspapers dot

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com, which is a resource thatI use for a lot of research,
and it was about Guinness. Now, you, as a bar owner,
know that Guinness is a very popularlibation worldwide. But I did not know
until the other day that Ginnis theBeer and Guinness the Book of World Records

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are one and the same. Andbeing a trivia guy, I'm stunt.
My wife was stunned that I didnot know this. So the basically the
generational or the germination of the GuinnessBook of World Records came around bar arguments
about data, about facts, andGlenn, sitting at the Green Leaf for

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over twenty five years, You've hadyour share of bar arguments and being a
wrestling guy for even longer. Thereis no shortage of bar wrestling arguments we've
gotten in over the year. Sothat's where we're going with this. Yes,
Jason, that's quite true. Iremember, oh god, it was
in the eighties when I was owingthe leaf and one of the Guinness distributors

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came in and told me that storythat Jason just relaid. So I've known
that for years. But of courseI've sold a decent amount of Guinness in
my day, and some to Jasonand some to Kevin. Yeah, and
even in my younger days where Iwasn't understanding it, wasn't appreciating the differences
between Stouts, Laggers, Ambers,box Belgian Strongs and such. Now I'm
a bit of a connoisseur of thecraft beers sometimes, you know, So

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to back to go backward a littlebit. I have a bar, I
have a speakeasy. This is whereI shoot my side of the show from.
I built it right in preparation afterrenovation for twenty twenty, which we
know we didn't have a chance tohave an after party here in the speakeasy,
and throughout the course of that yearI was sampling all styles of Minnesota
beers. So when I had peopleover after the championships, because I don't

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get to do a lot of socializingtournament because me and me and Brian are
announcing, So we get Tuesday,maybe a little bit Wednesday, and then
we're basically sequestered, so not sequesteredby choice, we just make the adult
decision to not consume things. Andyou can hear my voice a little raspy.
I'm coming off of D three's anda hockey game this weekend. So

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I had the bar built, andI had the perfect beer fridge set,
the perfect Minnesota beer fridge. Ifyou liked an eye, I p A,
I had my favorite I PA.If you liked half of ice in
which, even though it's not reallyin season, you can get that.
I I searched the entire state's brewerylines as best I could given where we're
at, for the perfect Minnesota stoutbecause winter time is still stout season.

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We're moving into the uh more oflike the cold snap season. We're starting
to get into the wheats again aswe warm up. But I searched for
the perfect Minnesota stout mainly for forme, but I also my wife likes
Guinness, and I wanted to havea beer in the fridge for her.
Well, guess what we must Imust. I don't know how many I
tried, Say hey, Abby,try this. We tried dessert stouts.
We tried uh, you know,dry stouts. We tried you know more,

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go more porters. What was thewinter Glen? What was the ultimate
beer that the ultimate stout? Iwould say brew New Poults has a lot
of nice breweries up there. Whatwas your winner in Minnesota? Go ahead,
teld me, I can't cast foryou win. No, it was
for my wife's choice was Guinness.And you know what, again, there's
always going to be a Guinness inmy fridge. So that kind of contributes

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into this, this this situation whereGuinness, the book of World records,
Guinness the beer, get us thestout. You've got to have the perfect
poor for the Guinness. There's aprocess involved to it. You do not
sit there and order four Guinnesses fromthe bar and expect to get them like
quickly. Matter of fact, Brianand I did that at the Big Tens.
We both ordered a Guinness and ittook a little while to get there,
so they poured it right, Sothat is the beer. Go ahead.

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Guinness is the best poured beer asa bar owner because there's the least
waste, So you get more profitout of Guinness and you get the other
beers because the way the nitrogen isrequired with the Guinness keg, it's a
bar owner's dream beer. Yeah,it's on nitro. It's got those tiny
bubbles. So also if you everorder a beer that's on nitro, just
be prepared to wait because it's it'sworth it. You get the and if

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you've got some facial area and youget the flavor, saber, we'll sit
there and just like stick there.And you gotta always have a napkin with
with with anything on nitro. Soas we've gotten to the beer, that's
where we're at today. Again,so before we even get any further,
we have a promo code. Soright now, this right now, as
we stand, is two hundred andfifty eight pages deep. If you print

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it, I recommend front and backdraft mode. If you want to kill
your printer ink go go print incolor. If you don't, just go
draft mode black and white. Ifyou want to take it to like a
FedEx office or UPS store, it'sgoing to cost you about twenty five bucks
to print, so know that,or you can do it that way.
So or if you have access toyour office printer that your coworkers don't mind,
or your boss is out playing golfthat day, I'd say do that.

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Don't print it at home. Usethose resources because it's a hefty thing.
So right now currently two hundred andfifty eight pages. This could change
by the time it is released Tuesday, So recording this on Monday, March
eighteenth. Release is officially Tuesday Marchnineteenth. Well I don't even know.
Yeah, Tuesday March nineteenth is whenit will officially be released. Wrestling preview

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Guide dot Com and viewers of thisshow the promo code in Matt Stats.
You'll save ten bucks. It retailsfor thirty dollars. Yes, thirty dollars,
but two hundred and fifty eight pages. Compared to the NCAA Championships program,
it's not even close. You willnot find more information in any one
place about the Division One Championships thanthis. Twelve years, ESPN uses this

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book, the head table uses thisbook, so the sideline reporters use this
book. The media, you knowit's it gets used I mean people use
this year round for research because thehistory, the historical significance of this document
is pretty tangible. Again, Iput my reputation on this stuff, and
if you get it and you finda typo, you find an error,

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don't hesitate to email me, becauseI am still finding historical results that are
incorrect or names that are wrong fromevents in the fifties and sixties that I'll
stumble across and I'll find something thatI need to change. So history and
stats evolve and they get tweaked andthey get fixed over time. So if
you find something in this thing that'swrong, let me know, because I

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will love I love correcting things becausethat tells me where it was wrong,
and it might it often leads medown to another rabbit hole of fixing something
else, or it gives me think, oh, well, how about this.
So that's kind of what this allmorphed into. Let me say that
I've been using the guy I have. I think I was a member since
the first year, and I justwant to just emphasize the point that Jason

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just made. It is the bestguy. If you do a little fun
thing at the tournament, this isthe best guy to use. It's wonderful.
Yeah, and since I worked forthe ANCAA, I'm not a gambling
guy anyway. But you know,if you want to do your fan pick
them pools or your pick them challengesand stuff, and you need a resource,

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there isn't one better than this,especially if you're in a room and
you know you're trying to look upWrestlestat or something on your phone and all
that stuff. But no, it'sall right here. Just flip the page,
or if you've got the digital version, the table of contents, you
click on it and it'll take youright too. It's an interactive bracket,
so it also links to the LatejhammondsWrestling stats dot Com brackets. So while

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the guide itself, the printed versiontwo hundred and fifty eight pages, does
not include every bracket from history,it provides a link to every bracket of
the NCAA championships in history, soyou can quickly go look up nineteen sixty
three championship, or you can golook up, you know what else happened
in nineteen seventy when Gable got betbioing, So all sorts of access points
as well. Yeah, and it'slet me just say this Jason as a

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I'm the analytical guy on the statsthing, but this is like Christmas when
I get the guide every year fromJason, because you cannot do any analytics
without the data provided to you.And when I need data, I go
to Jason because he's the biggest compileof data in the wrestling world I've ever
met. And this guide has itall there for the Men's D one Nationals.

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If you're going to the D oneNationals, you need this guide.
And Glenn to our theme where wegot it kind of a little off track,
because we do that when we geekout about wrestling stuff, and just
like topics at the bar Bar,trivia, Guinness Book of World Records,
it all stemmed over stats, factsand random trivia. So we're going to
kind of give Glenn the calm herea little bit. Glenn and Kevin are

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going to throw some questions at thegroup, and that group being me,
and well, I'll be honest withyou, I've been busy this week trying
to put this thing together and getit out, so I may not have
them all off the top of myhead, but there are things that you
will be able to find in thisguy. They're going to throw this way
and we'll see if we can findhim, and if they're not, I
can tell you where they're at.And if not, it's like, well,

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we'll add that next year. SoI'm constantly adding it. I remember
the first year I did it,I think it was maybe fifty pages and
it was great. Then new editions. This year, I've added the number
of high school state titles these wrestlershave won. That's always a common question.
How many wrestlers weren't all weren't statechampions? I have that. How
many wrestlers play Eton Fargo. Willieover at matt Scouts sent me his big

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Board rankings back since like twenty eighteen, so I can tell you what their
prospect ranking was, how good werethey work coming out of high school?
According to it to Willy's ranking,So all those things are in there.
So Glenna, are you ready toplay moderator here? And then just yes,
see what I can find here.I'm playing moderator today and Jason's give
them as the answers. Jay said, what has started out with this?

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How long have you and Brian Hazardbeen the lead announcers at NCAA. We
started in twenty sixteen and that isa new addition to the page to the
guy this year. So since nineteenseventy three, the NCAA has had a
lead announcer or or pair of announcersthose of you that are older than forty
and I use that because I'm fortyfour and I started going in two thousand

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and two, which is the yearEd did not announce it. Ed Aliverti
was the long time announcer. Soif we go to page fourteen, I
give you a brief announcing history.I call it speaking up because it's a
pun. So Ed Aliverti started atnineteen ten, seventy three when it was
in Seattle. He wrestled. Heannounced this tournament until two thousand. Sandy
joined Ed in Ames in nineteen eightytwo. Believes it was Zarah, Yeah,

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nineteen eighty two. I believe shetold me it was Ames Ames or
Iowa City, Yes, Ames innineteen eighty two. That's in there,
And there's a there's a you know, if you're watching, you see the
picture of Ed and Sandy. Ifyou're listing, there is a kind of
an iconic picture of Ed and Sandy. I believe that logo on her lapel
there. I think that was ninetynine. That might be the logo from

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ninety nine or two thousand, butEd and Sandy were the voices of this
thing together from eighty two to twothousand. Sandy announced with Don blasing Game
for two years, and Don wasthe Oklahoma the two proud of John's a
great man, great, great boomingvoice. Todd Hibbs was on the mic
for ten years with Sandy through KansasCity, actually he started in Kansas City

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in three. Then Al Hayslip,another another great Oklahoma state wrestling announcer,
finished out the run, and thenBrian Hazard and I I you know Kevin's
progeny there took over in twenty sixteenand we've been doing it together ever since.
We've just finished up the Big Tenstogether two weeks ago, we did
the d threes this past weekend together. So twenty sixteen to now is where
we've been manning it, and weuse it frequently to pull stacks, stats,

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facts and figures out when we throwthe bad dad jokes, but we
we back it up with statistics.It's not just us trying to hear us
talk. We're there to educate becausewe know a lot of you people there
know a lot more about wrestling thanwe do, especially me. You know,
Brian wrestled at the division one level. I never started a high school
match in my life. So whenit comes to the wrestling knowledge, I
need to give you something that youdon't know more than me at and that's

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that's the data. So that's where'sthat's where my value is too. With
the ends, a quick question,is there any chance that you and Brian
will sing the national anthem like Edused to? No, No, just
not gonna happen. I know Brianhas done the anthem before. I thought
about having it in my arsenal justin case, mainly at hockey. If

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if there's something happens to the PAsystem and the music camp play or something
like that and we don't have somebodysinging. I've thought about being able to
try to be able to do it, but I've never been a singer.
Now I can rock some karaoke badlyand I've done it worldwide, but no,
and I know Brian said he's doneit. And here's another thing.
When it comes to those who camebefore us, like I pay homage to

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Ed in the way I call afall, we pay tribute to Sandy with
the tradition she helped start with thehow many years you've been to the national
Championships. We pay tribute to ToddHibbs, who started the senior sendoff,
to which we've brought to every divisionthat we announced now, So if you're

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a senior and you're a place winnercoming off the mat in that fifth eighth
place round, you're a senior winnerlose, We're recognizing you who you are.
It's been kind of tough of theseCOVID years. So while you know,
we have our own styles, butwe definitely honor and pay homage to
those who came before us with certainthings. But I'm never gonna I'm never
gonna sing America They're beautiful because Iwill never well one, I can't carry

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a tune. And Ed first timeI heard ed do oh Maraca at the
Virginia Duels, it was it waslife changing. Yeah, he was so
good, Ed could really sing.We all miss it. Okay, Now
you've really told me that what inspiredyou to the guide and stuff like that?
Jase, So I really appreciate thatbecause a lot of people are wondering
this. But the biggest question I'vegotten from people and of course, you

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know, there's another sport going onnow with an NCAA championship that everyone just
talks about the seeds and stuff.I've gotten so many questions from Willie Mary
alumni. Could you explain as bestas you can because you know more about
the subjects. How are the seedsdone? How is the seeding done?
What determines that? All? Right? So we got a formula, and
I just made sure I got aprimer on this before we started, because

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it's it's it's a lot of it'sformulaic. It's not tent coaches in a
room. It's not twenty coaches withsheets anymore. It is mostly formulaic with
a committee to talk about things whenthey get close. So there are Here
are the criteria and the percentage thatgo into the seating formula. You get
one hundred points. Thirty three wrestlersare put on a board per weight class,

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and I'm using board, you know, more or less what's the word
I'm looking for, like, notrhetorically, but kind of like, you
know, figuratively. Here, Sohead to head, twenty five percent of
your points are coming from head tohead. Quality wins are twenty percent.
Fifteen percent come from your conference tournamentplacing. Remember that conference tournament placing I

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was fifteen percent of your total.That is a change from last year.
It used to be coach's rank wasfifteen percent. Now coaches rank is ten
percent, common opponents is ten percent, win percentage is ten percent, and
RPI a rating percentage index, whichis a measure of your win percentage,

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your opponents win percent and your opponent'sopponents win percentage loosely termed a strength of
schedule, but it just it justbasically you're not beating up on the sisters
of the poor. So it's arating. It is not a ranking.
It doesn't tell you who the betterwrestler is. It says who's got the
long term battle of you know,kind of better competition. Now that is
also at the bottom of the listof these seven criteria. So you get

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one hundred points to play with orone hundred percentage points. All those thirty
three are put on a board,you know again that figurative board there,
and they're all compared against the field. So it's not one to one,
one to one, you're not compared. Okay, who's the one? We
fok four names up and then argueyou're thrown in there, and then when
you get those points breaking out ifyou're within three points. So if say

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wrestler A has forty points wrestler B. So if you're number one has forty
and wrestler two has thirty five,guess what, there's no discussion that you're
number one. So then you gotwo. All right, well they've got
thirty five, and then the thirdperson is thirty four, and then thirty
three, and then they go downthe thirty. So then those three in
there in that middle they get comparedagainst one another to determine the two seed.

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So they go through all those things. Now if there's a tie,
they go to another set of things. They weigh things like your matches against
wrestlers in the field. They callthem quality wins, which are determined as
wrestlers who qualified for the tournament wrestlersin the field. Bad losses are losses
to wrestlers that aren't in the tournamentor wrestlers who may be in the tournament

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that have under five hundred records.So there's different tiers of how they compare
it. But again, so saywe got what you're looking one to one,
so we're arguing who the two andthree seed is well, I've got
you on head to head, Iwin that one. I get a point.
We're tied here, we both gethalf a point. I win here,
I get a point. You know, so when you compare each other,

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then you look at the points totaltogether in those criteria. So a
lot of it's now now when weget two ties and things of that nature,
that's where we look at at it. The we go deeper. We
analyze data, analyze data, analyzeddata, analyzed data. I know it
looks like in case of one seventyfour, you have three returning champions or
former not you'd never a former champ, but you're a past champ on one
side of the bracket. What youdid last year means nothing. And I

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know that's a hard pill for somepeople to swallow. Well, you know,
but guess what that was a questionI was going to ask. It's
about pretty sure zero because years agowhen we had the and I hate to
use smoke filled rooms because I don'treally know in the last twenty five years
any wrestling coaches that have smoked,unless they're in Russia. The you know,

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you know the rooms, the oldseating meetings. I mean I've just
heard nightmare stories about how these coacheswould just kind of screw each other over
with with with the with the seatings, and then you know, and it
would get nasty, it would getugly in those meetings. Friendships are broken
and things like that. Now,you know, you can blame the math,
but you know, the rules arethe way they are because of what
we've had laid out in front ofus. No more manipulating trying to you

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know, I'll be honest with you. There were coaches who called me when
I was doing the national rankings atInternet to try to get me to change
a ranking or say, here's theranking. Here's why we think it should
be ranking because our seeds use yourranking. You know, our tournament uses
your rankings and seeds. They're tryingto manipulate the media to change rankings to
get better seeds at their tournament.Well, here, you know that's not
gonna have you take every Oh,he's a four time national qualifier. Yeah,

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he's compared against a freshman, sothat's not a fair comparison. He's
got more chance and more bites atthe apple. So it takes a lot
of it. And some people sayit takes common sense out of it.
No, it really, it mightlook optically bad. I'm not going to
say it doesn't, and I'm notreally going to say it's a perfect system.
But here's the thing in the caseI like Carter, which is the
one a lot of people are justfocusing on. He did not wrestle.

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You know, forfeits was a bigproblem two years ago and last year.
Well now they've solved that because toomany people were trying to manipulate the system.
A lot of our wrestling coaches loveto find a rule and exploit it
immediately. So you know, youmake a role, well, then you
make a rule, and then youmake another rule, and you make another
rule. And this is what wehave because this is our own doing.
So remember that, folks. Solast year doesn't mean anything. It's what

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you did this year. That's that'syour matches question. About Starachi, you
know he went on the mats.They ran two seconds on the clock and
stopped it. That's because if hedid not step on the mat, he
did not wrestle in the tournament,Am I right? And he would not
be eligible for the NCAA's Yeah,And that was that was a tweak to

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the I don't know if there wasa change. It was more of a
tweak because last year you could stepon the mat, take an injury default,
and then forfeit out. Well,that forfeit didn't count as a loss.
Well, this year, the firstforfeit after a default counts as accountable
medical loss. So now it's like, well, and that they sweet you

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have to step on the mat twicein your conference tournament to be eligible for
an at large berth, whereas I'mgonna blow the whistle once and I'm out
and I don't take an extra losson it. And now the loss is
the accountable medical forfeits, and thedefaults they count against you. It's a
loss. And now that was aweird situation where you know, you wouldn't
have during the regular season, youwould just take that l You wouldn't have

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you didn't step on the mat,it would just be the accountable medical loss.
Well, now you've got to wrestle. The rule says you have to
wrestle in your conference tournament twice.So hence we got two injury defaults,
and you know, with low matchcounts, and you know that's where one
thing we're wrestling a small a lighterschedule. This is where if Carter had
forty matches this year and took twomedical defaults, he'd still I think he'd

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be a top three, top fourseat. Although knowing that your conference tournament
place is fifteen percent of it nowand you got zero place, you know,
you're not top eight, you don'tdefault eight, you have zero place.
That's where he's hurt. So youknow, the versus here is a
product of the system, which isa product of the system that created it.

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So you know, it's basically likea catch twenty two of blame,
if you want to put it thatway. So it's uh and so that's
and that's why the what's his namefrom Michigan did not have to step on
the mats on the finals because he'dalready had his matches. Well, he
wrestled, he yeah, he hegot he got hurt, and he took
a loss for it. Yeah,he took a medically he didn't thought he

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did not have no. Yeah,he had already wrestled two matches. Yeah,
he'd already wrestled enough. Okay.Yeah, So that's where we're at
with the because everybody's the talk ofthe tournament and the seating has been starachi
for the most part, and youknow, other shows have gotten into real
detail and in my new show aboutthat. So I encourage you if you
want to know more about the thearguments about it, by all means,

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take those because uh, that's that'swhere that's where they're spending a lot of
their time. So and Jason,who set up the system, the coaches,
the ones, it's the NCAA NCAAWrestled Committee, which changes and I
don't have who they are in frontof me, championships and such, and
it's just basically a lot of theserule changes get pushed through or they get
discussed at the convention, and thenthey get recommended by the by the coaches,

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leadership groups and such, and thenthat's how they get that's how they
get put into place. So Istill think it's even though it's got it,
it's got its flaws, it's stillbetter than what we had prior to
two thousand and nine. So yeah, that's no systems perfect that system.
Yeah no, So that that systemleft twenty to twenty five good guys home
a year. So all right,okay, now, so is the other

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other one? There was two twothat were kind of Cardis Darracci and then
the Cornell thirty three pounder, buthe had two losses. Right, they're
both the same guy who was undefeated. But again it's they don't count.
Vido's match count was really low,so you don't have a lot of wiggle

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room for error when you're wrestling underfifteen matches a year. That's kind of
what what kind of what it says, that's not what it says literally,
but that's kind of what what whatyou're seeing is put into practice is got
to wrestle more matches, and yeah, that does that does ding dings people
who are hurt or who have beennagging injuries. But guess what, nobody's
healthy come March either. And youknow one thing in wrestling is we think

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everybody's gonna be wrestling the best versionof themselves all the time, and that's
just that's just not true. So, uh, it's one of those things
where well, he's he's he onlywrestled with many matches. Well that that
means is he if he's not onehundred percent, why should he be one
If he's not, if he's notwrestling to this So and that's not veto
specific that's like anybody. You couldsay, wrestler X is you know,
oh he's eight. No, butyou know he's coming off a torn a

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cl or he heard his or he'sgot an MCLs brain or something like that,
and it's like, well, well, yeah, he should be a
one. Should he is? Heis? He the best wrestler in the
country right now. So again thatthat's more and that's a bar argument that
can't be argued with stats. That'sthe one thing that makes wrestling also uh
great, you can't or you can'twin that argument stats honestly. Yeah.

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Well that's why I love the newseating system because it's a you know,
number driven thing and not the debate. Okay, now, could you explain
to the viewers how the automatic qualifiersin the at large you get into the
tournament. Yeah, we've got that, so if we want to jump into
where that is, so we goto our table of contents, like how
does this happen? Allocation and atlarge bids, So there is a short

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version of it. It's all detailedhere. So the three criteria win percentage,
RPI and coaches rank. If youhit two of the three criteria,
you've qualified your conference and allocation.They are released about a week before the
conference tournaments. Each tournament, eacheach school gets you know, each school
gets or each conference gets an allocationnumber, which is anywhere from two hundred

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and eighty to two hundred and eightyfive a year. What they do is,
you can see on the sliding scalein the bottom of the screen,
they start with thresholds, So theystart with seventy percent win percentage, thirty
RPI, thirty coaches rank. Theygo down and see how many people hit
those thresholds. If that's thirty fivepeople, then they move it up to
seven, ten, twenty nine,twenty nine. Okay, now we're at

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thirty one people. No, notyet. When we get to twenty,
when we get to twenty seven,twenty eight or twenty nine, that is
where they will set the threshold andthat determines okay, that's how many are
going to be allocated, and thenthis is how many are left over for
at large bids. So it's asliding scale, it's not. It's it's
by weight class because each weight hasdifferent everything. Every every weight is its

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own moving monster. It's like youwant to talk about the basketball bracket.
Yeah, it's ten of those.You know, we'll looking at seventy seven
to seventy eight guys depending on youknow, the year of eligibility. So
that's how that works. And thenthe allocation at large, we look at
the standards here again on the screen, twenty five percent has head to head,
twenty percent as quality wins, andthen we've got fifteen percent conference tournament.

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Just like I said, they usethe same criteria. All those come
together and those the at large standards. So also, if you earn an
allocation, you're in the at largepool. If you hit one of the
criteria bronze, silver, gold,you are in the at large pool.
And if you finish one spot behinda qualifying position, you are on the
board. So if the Big tenqualified, okay, let's use this for
an example, Big ten qualifies eight, Well, they wrestle a ninth place

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bracket to determine who is in thatpool about eligible applicants for the at large
bid. So if you're ninth inthe Big ten, they take eight,
you're in the pool to be considered. So that's how the at larges are
taken care of. Thank you verymuch for that, Jason. How did
we come up with it? Ithink it's been thirty three people per weight
class. It's like oh nine orsomething. How did that number? How

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did we get that number? SoI've got it bolded you can see.
So we've got the most you know, in the early in the fifties,
we've got a bunch of them.You know, we got the most wrestlers
we had three ninety four nineteen seventy. Yep. The most teams we and
the most teams we ever had nineteeneighty was one hundred twenty eight. One
hundred and twenty eight, that's correct. So uh yeah. So as I

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spent all that time looking for itwas very it was right in front of
my face. So yeah, wedid level out at three thirty. Now
it's actually been three thirty I wantto say since about ninety two. Now,
those numbers are a little off becausethere's forfeits and people that didn't make
weight and they didn't replace yet,so or there were the number of Division
two we got up to where theD two and D three qualifiers were grandfathered

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out. So you know, postninety one, we've been pretty consistent.
So ninety two, I think iswhere we started to see the most consistency
at least three twenty seven and threethirty is where we've been at since nineteen
ninety two. Well, it makesit makes a whole lot of sense.
You got a thirty two team bracket, and then you know, somebody asked

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the question, you know what we'vegot really thirty three? Really great?
Well we'll run a pigtail match andit sounds like the D three D two
They got two pigtail matches. Yeah, they also have a teen of bracket,
so and then as it used tobe sixteen, but they weren't always
equal either where you had the oldwildcards and so some years you'd have a
buy into the quarterfinals and then youhave to win one match to be an

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All American. So the one thing, you know, thirty three is weird.
Do I think we could go withthirty two? Yeah? But do
you want to take away that opportunity? That's the thing. We've now had
a thirty three seed place. Sowe've had a thirty two guy in the
blood round twice and we've had athirty three seed place. So do we

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want to take that opportunity away?I don't think we can take things away
once we already have them. That'sthat's kind of a problem. Yeah,
and it's a great thing, Jason, because like you said, we have
thirty three guys per weight class,you know, with a sport with about
eighty one eighty two right now dependingwho's all you know, octave right now,
and look at basketball, there's sixtyeight of the three hundred and fifty

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schools or whatever it is, it'sthree fifty three sixty. I think we
do sixty now, yeah, yeah, maybe it's threet sixty now. Yeah,
So it's definitely a much better opportunitywhere we're like, you know,
in the forty range. You know, they're one fifth. So yeah,
that's great. Hi, Now,all right, who was three? Who

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was the thirty three that placed thosewhite sheets wide sheets? That's right,
that's also in here. So ifwe go so I also keep that word
again, that'll jump around. Sowhen we go to seed placement, unseeded
history and historical performance, Now wedon't have seeds anymore, but I go
back and I track who out whatwhat seeds are, what people have placed

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that have been unseeded. Of course, we know we have unseeded champions Matt
Reese and and Pat Smith. I'mnot Pat Smith, Mark Branch in those
two and then we've got you know, those are the two that we have.
And what's interesting, Mark Branch beatanother unseeded guy in the finals.
He'd bet Laslo Molnar who was unseated. So and we look at the seed
performance. That's also one here.We also since then, since we've gone

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to thirty three, I have achar now which I'm eventually going to have
to prune to just placers. Sosince twenty nineteen when we went to thirty
three, technically thirty two at thirtythree doesn't have a seed, but we
just call it the thirty three justfor argument's sake. But a ton of
guys in the Blood Round that havebeen seventeen to thirty three. But again,
Vinnie Urban was Blood round last yearsof thirty two. You know where

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why you go where he is thereis white sheets the thirty three. And
actually Wyatt was not even actually inthe tournament. He was an alternate.
He was added and then got slidinto the thirty three and came back and
finished eighth. So that's also herein the guide. You can you can
charte him since twenty nineteen, andthen we have the top unseated placements.

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You know, since since since theywent to seventy nine, which is I
say, we placed, We've seatedto twelve, then we placed eight.
So that's kind of where I usethose benchmarks. There have been unseated guys
went way way back. So Ihave a story for you about the Moldar
Sheets spell. When they met inthe finals and they were both unseated.
We mentioned, you know, Sandyand ed Al already already in the show.

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They announced that the right before thefinals that from the research they had
done at the time, that wasthe first time that ever happened, you
know, but they were just doingit on the flot. We didn't have
the guide back then. No,but Jay, you know, guys like
Jay Hammond and gimp and and youknow the late Danny Dial, the late
John Harmon, they were all thereand they they you know Jess you know

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Jess well actually Jess wasn't around you. But John Hoak and Ron Good you
know they're there. I mean thoseJay, Carl Giman, I mean these
all. They used to have abrain trust of people that were you know,
if they didn't know. And that'sanother reason why I kind of created
it, is to keep people fromlike passing along information that they misremember.
They may not be completely wrong,but they like misremember something and then or

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they forget somebody. So this issomething that kind of helps cure the you
know, I remember it was whenBrandon Womack plays from Alabama. He's from
Alabama for Cornell. He was like, first of all Americ from Alabama's no,
no, that we can. Wecan look that up really quickly.
So putting it in paper and usingit as a resources has gotten a lot
of people to stop recycling bad informationas well. That's another thing I did

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this for all Right, great JasonHowe. Who votes on the OW When
do they vote? And why isit not announced doing the TV broadcast?
Okay, it's not an official NCAAaward. The NCAA doesn't announce that doesn't
award that. They never have.It's always been the Coaches Association. So

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now it's a digital vote. Sothis past weekend Division three is Jim Grunwald,
the head coach at Wheaton as presidentof the D three Coaches Association,
so he's sitting there. They sendthe ballot out to all the coaches.
They have to be done as soonas Heavyweight's done, and they compile the
votes and said, all right,okay. The OW boom for Division three
was Chase Randall from the United StatesCoast Guard Academy. One hundred and thirty

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three pounds. It's all digital voteand it's the coach is one coach,
you know, one team, oneteam gets a vote and boom, there
you go. It's all digital thesedays. And it's not officially part of
the NCAA Championships, so it cannotbe part of the formal championships. So
this is where every year I haveto like say that lightly and to say
it so it reminds people to justwait, you know, because we and

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we close these championships, what aboutOW? Well, guess what it's I've
been doing this since six six orsixteen. You know this now, I've
told you multiple times. So it'sthe same every year. It's always after
the NCAA official awards are done.So that's how that's that's configured by the
way every history of the OW alsoin the book something you can also not

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find. You can find that everywhere. But here's another thing with the most
falls on the least time. Alsonot an NCAA award also presented by the
MWCA. But we also have thestatistics on who's got the most ow's and
the standings the all time Glorieran Awards. Who if you add them all to
one tournament, who's got it themost? Darryl Peterson has the five fastest

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falls combined in NCAA history at fiveminutes and thirty one seconds. Wow.
I remember one of Brian's kids wonat one year. Yeah, Bret Jones.
But he he only got two where'she at? Brent got two in
twenty ten, two for combined minuteand thirty one So Brent was also a

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chin whipper, so he definitely wasa chin whipper. He could he could
definitely throw. Let's get into somelittle trivia numbers. Sure, how many
of returning All Americans are there thisyear? There are as if last count
that is on page that's early inthe book. That's something that always gets

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asked. And this is also moresemantics that we get to it, because
seventy returning All Americans. Now here'sthe caveat, folks, this is not
seventy of returning place winners. Becausethat great column you see on the screen
that is the COVID year where theNBCA announced first and second team in honorable

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mention, So you are first orsecond team. You are in this list
as an All American returning in theguide. When you see place winners and
then you see all Americans, thereis a weird distinction there. Now I
may say, and actually we're gettingto the point wee we're almost seeing So
you'll hear Brian and I say fourtime All American, three time place winner.

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That is because they were a recipientof the All American Honor certificate in
twenty twenty when there was no tournament. Factually, the NCAA also does not
award all Americans. The trophy youget does not say All American. The
plaque you get from the NWCA saysAll American. That varies by sport.

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For basketball, for example, theAssociated Press names the All American team wrestling
because we wrestle to tournaments and haveplaces. This is why our Coaches Association
have tended to go with the placewinners. The NJCAA, for example,
though the Junior calls they actually awardall Americans, whereas they go top five,

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the NBCA awards those other three AllAmerican certificates. So the actual place
we earn on the podium. We'vecommonly said all American. Technically it's not
accurate. However, that's how wrestlinghas done it since nineteen twenty eight,
and that is how we say it. So it is pretty much a foregone

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conclusion that when you hit top eightyou're an All American, because that is
basically the precedent. Sent twenty twentygave us something different. So returning place
winners, I do not know offthe top of my head. Returning all
Americans, there are seventy of them. So is that COVID here that's got
one more year to run? Wellbecause of the six year rule for them,

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Well, everybody, the twenty twentykids didn't get the extra year.
You had to have wrestled in twentytwenty one to get the extra year.
So we're getting close. So youknow, there's also the thing is now
it's not just the COVID year.It's like, you know, the NCAA
lets the cure or whoever. Theyhand out red shirts like candy these days.
So who knows who's going to getsix and seventy years moving forward?
Maybe a Miami football tight end withyear nine. Yeah, the Falls got

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a guy on the football team isplaying in seventh year next year, so
okay, how many transfers have qualifiedthis year? Jason Well, transfer portal
is an interesting thing. It's atopic that we get and we will have
right now. Fifty nine and thisis what sheet that actually had to update
a couple different times since I firstpublished it because I found another one this
morning that I had neglected to miss. I missed Edmund Ruth actually starting his

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career at Lehigh, So fifty nine. The most in away class is eight
at one eighty four and then eightat one forty nine, So a couple
wrestlers have transferred twice. Jet Strickenbergerwas it two junior colleges beforehand. Mitch
Moore has been at Oklahoma Virginia Tech. Austin Gomez, as we know,
has been at Wiscon and Iowa State. Boone McDermott was at Rutgers, and
I was Central before doing his gradyear at Oregon State. And Will Feldcamp

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was at Clarion in northern Illinois.So fifty nine but not fifty nine total
transfers, fifty nine athletes, andthat does not count commitments. That's if
you committed, because like Quinn Kinnerfor example, committed in Ze State,
but went to Ohio State and thentransferred to Rider. What about Tesky?
Tesky's at I'm sure I got Teskeyon here. Yep, Northern Iowa,

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Penn State. There we go.He's on the list. Okay, yes,
every name, because if I forgetevery name, I think I'm forgetting
it. No, it's on there. You make me. You give me
a heart attack, Kevin, comeon, man, No? Sorry?
Yeah, so they're all on herethe guide. Yes, you are eight.
Like I said, if you findan error, eight eighteen percent of
all qualifiers have transferred. That's interesting. Okay, fill us in on the

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team poll, Jason, how's thosewho votes on that? Who compiles it?
The team coaches poll? Right?So this is again wrestling is one
of those things where we wrestle ninetypercent of a schedule. That doesn't mean
anything in terms of its results.The individual results matter, but your duelmate
doesn't mean anything for the NCAA championship. So, but because I coordinate the

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coaches poll and have coordinated it mostlysince two thousand and five, there were
a year two in between where Iwas in between jobs, or I was
USA Wrestling and I was a rustlingfour one one, and you know somebody
else on the staff had done it. I've done it consistently since two thousand
and five. One coach per conferencewas the old way we did it.
We did one voting coach per conference, and then we had a wildcard voter.

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In some years, that wildcard voterwas me basically in reserve, just
to make sure if somebody missed theirvote, I would fill in that vote.
I don't do that anymore. It'sbeen fifteen years since I've done that.
But now since we got seven conferences, it's two coaches per conference that
vote. And this is put together. It's decided by the Leader Group,

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which Jim fallis heads up for theNWCA. They picked their fourteen voters.
Each week, I get the results, I send them out on a ballot.
They digitally put the ballot in.It's a dragon drop. It's got
every result all season long. It'sgot every result that week. It's got
the how the top twenty five fared, every school one through seventy eight,

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and I did the eighty one.I did the transitional schools this year as
well, and every result their recordfor the year, what they did that
week, who they won, whothey lost to. If they lose,
they're bolded and red if they wentif they're against the ranked team, it's
bolded. So that's how it's compiled. And you get twenty five points for
a first place vote, you getone for twenty fifth place vote. So
on the screen and in the guideyou have all weeks of the Coach's Poll,

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so you can see Penn State wasa wire to wire number one.
We'll also have some stats in thereabout how many different teams were ranked,
how many different teams from different conferences, and things like that, so like,
for example, polling related numbers.Again, I'm not going to give
all this stuff away here on theshow. Conteams from the top twenty five
for the last two weeks of theseason, Campbell and app State were So
that's how the Coach's Poll works.Well, thank you very much for that.

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All right, what coaches the mosttitles? Give us the top three
coaches with titles. Top three coaches. That's one of my favorite things about
this because we're creeping up on thehistory about it. So we look at
the coaches that have one of themost titles. Well, actually, let's
ask who do you think Kevin whodo you think has the most coaching titles?

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Sot's start with that Gable, Well, you'd be right, Dan Gable
with fifteen, second Ed Gallagher witheleven, and Cale is at ten.
So Cale Sanderson could with his loadedPenn State team this year, tie the
legendary Ed Gallagher for second most titlesall time. And Cale and I are
two months apart in age. Heis two months older than I am,

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so he will have eleven, potentiallyhave eleven titles by the time he's forty
four. The Gable retired to whatforty seven, I'm not you know,
I'm thinking, so he would actuallyhave to go a little longer than Gable
to break his record, but that'sstill he could potentially break his record before
he turns fifty, which is freakingnightmarriage to think about, Like from like
an anti Penn statement, it's likenight marriage to be having. How the

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heck, that's amazing, like nightmarishlygood, is what I'm saying here.
So, yeah, what coaches don'tseem like that was going to be an
unbreakable record when he did it,when Gable did it, Yep, what
coaches the most top ten finishes?Harold Nichols got twenty eight, John Smith
active at twenty six a second,uh, and in the guy to have

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a list of this, and againbold is of act are bolder active,
So you get an idea of who'sstill who's still at it. You know,
you sit there and look through youand be like, oh, wow,
Mark Manning's got twelve top ten finishesat Nebraska. You know, these
are things that when we get timeto these coaches to retire and like the
Hall of Fame, we'll go outand put them on you know, ballots

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for distinguished member lists. Now weget like, yeah, these guys had
x many you know, not youknow, only eleven teams have won a
title. So it's not like championshipcoaches are going to have all these oh
they won all these national titles.Well, there's only a few coaches that
have won national titles in the grandscheme of things. So top ten and
top four finishes are stats that matterwhen it comes to that point. Yeah,
Phillison on what schools have won themost titles, because of course Penn

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State's winning them all now and Iwe was before that. Well that's pretty
much thirty four in county in OklahomaState, we got a nice little graphic
that. Last year, in caseyou're wondering, which are probably not.
Last year, I did a Nintendoeight bit kind of theme. That was
a monster to try to do allthe font formats, so I just stuck
with basic fonts on the inside.Our We've got a comic book theme this

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year. But here's a little visualaid to tell you that Oklahoma's won thirty
four. I was won twenty four, penn State at eleven, so it's
KALs ten plus the one back infifty three. And Ross Bednick from Wrestle
Chicago does all those cool graphic arts. He did this little vector image of
the trophy. So I played aroundwith some fun graphical elements here. So

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let's let's get into some fun stuffhere. What school, how's wrestlers from
the most states? What college doeswrestlers for the most states? Things Glenn
that I thought about a couple ofyears ago, because you know, one
of the arguments is that Pennsylvania hasso many qualifiers because there's so many colleges

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in Pennsylvania. And then the counterto that is, well, especially the
folks from Iowa, the good wrestlingfolks from Iowa, per capita is the
is the first thing. They love, the per capital argument. And then
there's well all the good schools arerecruiting the Lehigh Valley and the Whippio like
Pennsylvania's best wrestling states. Of courseall those schools are getting cherry picks.
So there's so many different arguments.But so that kind of with the impetus

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to be like, well how manyschools have how many wrestlers. So it's
one of those things where we gotto go to our qualifiers. Glenn,
if you know what page that isoff the top of my head, because
I'm sure I know, I knowboth nebrask and Virginia Tech have eight eight
different states there go I found it, so I don't know the pass by

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home state. There we go totalstates by team. Yeah, Nebraska and
Virginia Tech have eight, Iowa Statehas seven, penn State has seven.
So that's where we go. Wecan also look at another thing that's in
the guy multiple entries by high school. Now I added this chart last year.
It's called home state qualifiers by weight, so you can if you want

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to make an all star team ofyour states, here's who you're looking at,
versus thinking like, well, no, that kid and this is again
we've got boarding schools and such likeBlair, for example, always throws the
throws the number off and now moreBlair and sem Seminary because they get kids
that come there from out of state. Whatever you're listed at on your college

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bio, I am taking all subjectivityout of it, and it stinks sometimes
because like Max Huntley, I knewas a Virginia kid, but for some
reason he put ember Lyle, NorthCarolina on bio, so he was a
he was a North Carolina kid inthe stats. Since you know, like
again, it's I want to takesubjectivity out of the statistics. So you're
in an all state team where youare listed. So if you went to

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Blair and you're from Jersey, ofcourse your Jersey. But if you went
to Blair and you're from Pennsylvania,you're a Pennsylvania kid in this stase.
It's your hometown, not where yourhigh school is. And both Player and
Wyoming semin I have six qualifiers,which leads the packs. That's a lot.
Arrowhead High School and Wyoming Seminary havea unique distinction. I'm adding this

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this year too, And this isBen Askron who's asked me because these are
three of his kids that wrestled hisclub Arrowhead, and Heartland, Wisconsin has
three wrestlers at one sixty five,including the top two seeds. So that
is something that I looked at aslike, Wow, that hasn't happened a
whole lot, and then I lookand SEM has three of them this year.
Now Arrowhead, that is the distinctionof all three of those kids were

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on the same high school team atthe same time. They were all high
school teammates, whereas Coyowen from collLumbia didn't get to SEM until after Bo
Bartlett had already left, so theywere not They were three guys from Wyoming
Seminary at one forty one with Owen, Bo Bartlett and Lachlan McNeil, but
they were not all teammates at thesame time. They're also boarding school where

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oddly enough, McNeil's from Canada,Owen's from Florida, and Bartlett's from Arizona,
whereas Heartland Arrowheads they're all from thatarea. Now, that did lead
me down the rabbit hole of well, I'm pretty sure, and I remember
doing the Gray Simon Show. We'vegot one more episode of that to go,
and I'm looking at Gray in hishistory. In nineteen sixty two,

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there were four Grammy wrestlers in thedraw at one point fifteen, and these
were not thirty three man brackets.You had Gray Simons, you had Oaklea
Johnson from Michigan State. Gray wasfrom Locke Ave and Oklan Johnson from Michigan
State, Bill Merriam from Lehigh,and Mike Grandstaff from Virginia Tech. Grand
Staff and Gray were teammates until theyredrew the lines. So grand Staff went

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to Norview and actually beat Gray Simonsin the state finals when Gray was a
junior. So they were all teammatesat one time until they redrew the line
and then grand Staff ended up goingto Norview when Gray couldn't wrestle his senior
year his last semester senior year becausehe had started high school early in the
he went from eighth grade to ninthgrade. Bill Merriam won the state title
in Gray's absence in the same spotin the lineup. So interesting thing where

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the guide takes you historically. Ididn't know this when I started the year.
And yeah, so Grammy's got atleast four. I have not done
the deep dive on every single schoolthat's had three or four because I don't
have high school data for every singleplay qualifier ever, but I do have
hometown data for every qualifier, sothe high school data, I've got ninety

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percent of the finals too, Sothat's something I may add to the guide.
Do we have high school teammates thathave ever met in the state and
the NCAN Championship finals? Then whatdo you think? Yes, you told
me that yesterday. We have TJ. Williams beat out who he beat Tony
Davis? Thank you. I didnot know that until woot there right now,
So I'm writing that down to uhMount Calm that you know. Yeah,

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and then all right, you know, of course a couple of years
ago to Fine Shilvers from Duke twosets of twins, four brothers, and
the thing, did Sanderson's ever havefour of them at the same time?
There was the Cole Cole and Kyler. The gap between those two or too
much collect Cole was done before Ithink I even started going to the nationals.
And then Kyler was I covered himin high school. So yeah,

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Kyler, that could be the Imean, having four brothers is staggering.
You know, it's the same tournament. Yeah, Now there are eight sets
of brothers in this tournament this yeartoo, So if I'm beating it to
that punch, but I'll save thatone for if you actually look at the
guide to see it is one setof twins, the Crooks that are at
different schools, and you have aset of brothers, the stouts in the

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same weight class, also crooks,Crooks ones at Tech. Where's the other
one? Harvard? Harvard, thesmart twin and real quick. This is
something that I also wanted to pointout. We talked about the data and
stuff and the impetus. So theoriginal Wrestling Guides brand tail about nineteen eighty

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two. I actually have their onscreen, a couple of them, the
hard copies. They're not very big. They fit in your back pocket,
and they sold for a dollar fifty. This one's got Dan Gable on the
cover from nineteen seventy and this one'sgot Randy Batton from Chattanooga in nineteen seventy
seven. So it had it wasthe rule book. The back of it
was the rule book, and thenthe front of it were the results.

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So the pack eight, yeah,pack eight, what's we're getting? It's
lower than that. Now the President'sAthletic Conference, the Rocky Mountainet like it
was like every conference Division one.Well actually in seventy seven, yeah,
we had three divisions then by theway, fiftieth year, Division two and
Division three this year, so fiftyyears. So that's where that comes from,
too, is where you've got allthe stats and results. These things
don't exist anymore. So that's alsoa little bit of my throwback to history.

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Granted, minds a lot bigger.It's a full broadsheet, you know,
it's a full eight and a half. These were these were like you
put two of these, I meanthat might be a sheet. I don't
know. I'm putting them together.I don't know. But yeah, so
that's kind of where they come fromas well, the idea for this as
well. Yeah. No, lastyear, the notionals, of course,
were in Tulsa, and I believethey said Tulsa's had footy how many champs

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to the city of Tulsa had.I was in last year's guide. I
didn't put it in this year's guide. So uh, this year's gude,
No, I took Tulsa out.Okay, that was last year's Okay,
Yeah, because that was inutter offact, I see now made search Tulsa
and see what I know the cityof Tulsa. How many national champions they've

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had? Oh yeah, that's inthe books. I didn't ask the question,
will Yeah so last year I hadwell because Tulsa hosted last year.
So that that's why I pointed upbecause I mentioned it. Yeah, so
Tulsa, that would be in thehistorical information. Where do we go with
that? That's so ridiculous stumbium.Yeah, it's it's a lot and a
lot of it has to do withthe old forty social teams qualify a quick

(55:07):
list that is in the historical listsand records. There we go, There
we go. Tulsa, Oklahoma haswon forty eight titles. Yeah, wrestlers
from Tulsa. That's such a bignumber. I thought I was misremembering it,
because that's why I brought up,because I remember the last year when
they made a big thing out ofit. Yeah, and a lot of

(55:28):
it was obviously in the in thein the foundation years from twenty eight to
like pre World War two is kindof how we group the eras it's the
pre World War Two era, thepost World War two era, and then
as some people call it the Gableera, the freshman eligibility era, so
basically, and then there's the yeah, because that's the four year eligibility was
sixty nine, which also learned sixtyeight. There were some freshman eligible.
It was a conference issue at aconversation with Dan Gable about this about the

(55:52):
late Chuck Jean who won two titlesat Iowa State and then left Iowa State
ended up in the ANAI and wontwo titles there. He did not win
as a freshman, though, butthey changed the rule while Chuck was in
college. And I'm not sure whatthe ANAI records were or eligibility were back
in the in the seventies, buthe got two more titles, and I

(56:15):
believe they might have said, okay, well you didn't get the wrestle there,
you did here, because for awhile the NAI had had some interesting
algibility requirements. Anyway, it wassemesters and whatnot. So Chuck jeans four
time national champion two divisions, whichis uh, It's kind of leads to
another thing we've got in the bookthis year, Glenn. We've got the
total. You know, it's alwaysan argument, you know about the D

(56:35):
two and D three, is thatthat oh, well, they should do
that now. That only happened forseventeen years. It's not like that was
a gigantic thing because we didn't havedivisions until nineteen seventy three seventy four.
But one thing that I'm jumping to, and it might maybe not be a
question, but it's the historical championsand such that go back in the day.
So the non division one qualifier era. We know that we've got Carlton

(56:57):
Hasselriga has got six. Well,well, it's guys like Chuck Jean we
miss out on because they were notin the NCAA. And prior to us
going to the divisional format, theNAIA was a big place where Bloomsburg and
the smaller schools in the Pennsylvania Portlandstate was in nai A school for example.
And you talk about the great RickSanders Well Grace Simons, who again

(57:20):
I say I didn't wrest in college, but he was a coach at Old
Dominion when I was there, callingmy college coach just because it's easier for
that, I don't have to explainthat every single time he won seven four
in the NAIA, three in theNCAA. So that is a new addition
to the guy this year. Itused to be just who's got you know,
the hasslerig stuff. You know,we've got the Bakersfield guys from the
air of course, Tom Martucci andKen Mallory, which are always the D

(57:43):
three guys that the D three guysloved us. O oh, we'll back
a Ken Mallory. Well, KenMallory did that forty one years ago.
Forty some years ago. Actually,now we're looking at forty six years ago.
Cheez. So yeah, it's notexactly recent memory. But those are
other things that are added the guythis year. Yeah, well, it's
great. We're ready to put somethingin about Gray Shimons, you know,
mo College coach. Now, onething that's come up for a couple of

(58:05):
years. I believe it started whenDake and Magic Man wrestled in the finals
that they put that bout last.Who how do we decide what weight starts
in the finals and what goes last? How do we decide that? And
who decides that? That is prettymuch a committee decision. And when I
said, we say committee. Sothere's you know, there's that the D
one Wrestling Committee. And you know, Anthony Holeman is the director of championships.

(58:30):
So in some cases they'll be adiscusis it's more or less a conversation.
It's not a vote, but it'slike, what do we think?
And they work with the ESPN,and the work with the committee, and
they work with the NCAAA. Ifit makes sense, they'll change it.
They'll change the starweight if it doeslike it was a couple of years like
you end with I mean, youend with Gwzdowski and Sneyder. You're wrestling

(58:51):
heavyweight last. And if it's somethingwhere like okay, well eighty four to
ninety seven and heavyweights boom boom boom. There's also the situation where you got
to look at the TV break inthe middle too. You've got that.
You got to think for television,you got to look at timing. You
also got to look at press conferenceavailability, like if you want to if
you change the order and you dolike these massive ones where you're like,
all right, we're going to wrestlethem in this order, or you're in

(59:12):
your crushing your press coverage, it'slike they're all going to have to try
to scramble. So this is wherehaving him in weight class order and finding
a starting weight is beneficial. Sothat is that is usually a day of
decision or actually I think it's madeafter the semifinals as that's right, well,
because I've been in that committee roowhere they're talking and they usually are
having that conversation after the semifinals aredone. Yeah, I just wish they

(59:34):
would have wrestle Bo Nicol and MylesMartin last the year that Nickel Pinnedham because
whoever won that won the team titletoo. Yeah, you also can't,
you don't. You don't know thatafter the semis because you've still got placement
matches in conci semis, you know, So those are the things you can't.
Yeah, yeah, that's that's somethinglike you can't You've got to give
the wrestler and the coaching staff,you know, ample time to be able

(59:54):
to prepare for the next day.So oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I understand and would have just beeneath Now, how do we determine where
the NCAA tournament is? Who makesthat decision? How does that happen?
Like what? It's a big process. Yeah, that's a big process.
So every I believe every four years, there's a bid cycles and they put
out, you know, requests foryou know bids and it's the CVBS,

(01:00:17):
the sports commissions. Uh, theyput the bid out and the NCAA for
the last several years actually going backto when I was at that inter maatt.
Uh, they do it in fouryear four year chunks and do it
for all the sports at the sametime. So they come in to decide,
they look at the bid package,They look at transportation, location,
you know, facilities, amenities costfor you know, looking where you can

(01:00:40):
put a fan fest as a lotof those moving parts that come into it.
But uh, it's it's Anthony Holman'spart of that process. Uh.
He might be a good guest toget on in the future for some of
these other questions. But yeah,it's it's it's a decision by the NCAA
and it's a bid. You can'tput it places that don't want it.
That's the one thing you gotta thought, Well you put it in Denver.
Denver does in bid. They don'tget it. If you don't want it,

(01:01:01):
you don't get it. They're notgonna put something someplace where people don't
want it. So ultimately that's wherethat's where somethings like USA Wrestling events,
Well we're gonna do it here.Well, we put a bid out,
bid, bid, process out.We got three people bid on it.
Do we put in Colorado Springs andkeep it here? Do we send it
to to add to eat at Oklahomaor Fargo or Fort Wayne. So a
lot of these events that you've got, the places have to want it for

(01:01:23):
it to be there. Of course, do you think we'll have like in
twenty twenty was supposed to be wherethe Vikings play football. You think we'll
ever have in a football stadium again, not that we have ever had.
I think we will now and nowNorthern Iowa back and it was at ninety
seven that was that was a footballthat was not a full that's a that's
a that's an FCS side. Ithink that only seats comparable what an indoor

(01:01:46):
arena does. It just has abig, big footprint with a football field
in it. So yeah, yeah, because it'd be nice if we would
try it out it something like wherethe Vikings played, But solidly that doesn't
work, you questions, yeah,Kea, Yeah, Kevin, you've been
leving a bartender take everything. Well, he's got the guy because he is

(01:02:09):
the bartender, right, he settlesall the bets. Well, I you
know, we were looking at ateam that's just been dominated for the past
decade. I can't remember. Imean I wrestled during the Gable era,
but seeing a team this dominant,I mean they placed nine out of ten

(01:02:31):
in the top three in the atthe Big Ten, which is just a
phenomenal and half of them are underclassmen. So just is there, like,
what's the history on having five nationalchamps or six national champs in one year?
And what is the record? Yeah? Five is the record, and

(01:02:52):
I can tell you it's happened threetimes without actually pulling up the guy,
but it's in the guy because you'veloved these These questions are so loaded.
I love it, guys. Sowhen we look at the history and who's
done what All American? We goto multiple champs in team AA's by team.
So this list shows you the onlytime there's been ten All Americans Minnesota

(01:03:15):
two thousand and one, oddly nochamps. But then we look at the
amount of teams, where to go. I just had it here. That
was the one shart. Yeah,we did a show on the Greatest Team.
Yeah, and that's how where Igot all my data from. But
yeah, so the top national championships. Of course, I'm gonna screw this
up. Yeah, Oklahoma State,multiple champions by Iowa and Penn State.

(01:03:38):
Yeah, five x. No,it's happened five times. It's happened Iowa
ninety seven, Iowa eighty six,Oklahoma State, OH five, Penn State
and twenty two Penn State in seventeen. Only twice has it been five champs
in eight All Americans. That's Iowaboth times. Oklahoma State had seven All
Americans and O five. Penn Statehad five and six in seventeen and twenty

(01:04:01):
two. So I misspoke. Itwas actually five, not three, and
that is available on page one fortyeight. So that's all in this list
where you've had at least one championand multiple All Americans in a season one
hundred and fifty five times. Yeah, so multiple champions multiple a's one hundred
and fifty five times in history.So that's there, so go e the

(01:04:25):
way along with it. I alsowant to say, if you've got the
digital guide going back and forth,I've got a little footnote on every single
page. It's in blue. It'sthe live link back to track wrestling.
So at any point you need topull up the brackets. You just tap
it. Boom, it's back tothe brackets. Now, We'll say you
might have eighteen browser windows open bythe end of the tournament with the same

(01:04:46):
link over to track wrestling, butit's linked directly to the Division one live
brackets for track wrestling on each page. So if you need to get back
to the tournament data for this yearand the live events, there's a link
on every page for that. Notyou going along, going along with that
same question, what's the most pointscored and who's done it in it?

(01:05:08):
And has it changed because of changesin scoring? Well, I'm one hundred
percent sure it's happened. Changes inthe scoring because we've had superior decisions,
we brought the addition to the technicalfall, we've had all of those things.
I cannot tell you specifically when thatrule changed happened, but the History
of Collegiate Wrestling by Jay Hammond,which you can buy from the National Wrestling
Hall of Fame, has that allof its appendixes. I did not pull

(01:05:31):
that type of information into the guidebecause again, that's been published somewhere else.
I don't want to sit there inbogart what Jay's work was. But
when we look at the past teamchampionships on there, that's a question.
You get The largest spread was Iowawas seventy three and three quarter point victory
over Oklahoma in nineteen eighty six.So in the team point record is one

(01:05:56):
hundred and seventy, which was afifty six and a half point spread in
nine. So set one seventies theone people are talking about this year.
Can Penn State break the record?Can they get ten All Americans for just
a second time in NCA wrestling historythat anybody's got that number? So we
mentioned Minnesota, but yeah, thosespreads are available. Those anything over forty
four is also in the guide earlyin the book too, so because that's

(01:06:17):
a big talk. Yeah, pennchState's one guy did in place of the
big tangents, a three time championbecause you didn't wrestle, It'srooching. Yeah
wait, wait the way you saidthat, that that just sounds weird,
even though we all know, likewe know what happened, but it's like
to say it like that, it'slike you're not factually incorrect. So yeah,

(01:06:41):
that's that's how good that team is. The works Guard. The team's
a three time champ, the bigtime. I wouldn't say it like that
though. Now I'm being facetious withthe whole thing, with the whole number
thing. I was just saying,how good they're going to be this year.
Oh, that's I got a knockon wood for that. That's I

(01:07:05):
just I'm watching the Big Tens.It was just phenomenal to me how well
prepared those kids were and just howmuch growth there was in the last month
of the season. Just it wasphenomenal. Yeah, that was h And
that was the first that's the firstBig Tens I've announced, and then you
know, it's the second one I'vebeen to. I was only on the

(01:07:25):
second day a couple of years ago, but now that was impressive. It's
also crazy as being down on thefloor like and then seeing the interaction with
these coaches and the officials and it'sjust, uh, wow, guys,
all I gotta say wow. Letme say something here. We've gone on
a little bit here and I'm allexcited about starting to get out to Kansas
City for this. So I said, we put a bow on this thing

(01:07:47):
and wrap it up, and I'mgonna let Jason finish it. This was
his baby, but go ahead Jason, let's wrap it up real quick.
All right, So again I've hadthe table of contents on the screen the
entire time pretty much. This isagain to show you what is in here.
We weren't going to go through everysingle thing. We weren't going to
ask questions about every single thing.This is just basically the overview of here's

(01:08:11):
what's in this wrestling preview guide dotcom. On the discount code when you
go add to kart and then togo to check out, now it's on
the right side. I did haveone fan didn't see where the promo code
went, and it's right underneath.Actually, yeah, let me see if
I've got that screenshot available. Ican I can maybe describe it. Can
I pull it up on screen?Probably not pull it up on screen because

(01:08:32):
I didn't prepare for that. Butyeah, So when you hit add the
cart, you go to check out, it's a check out. You enter
your email and then it's like,okay, I'm ordering this as a company
business. But on the right sideit has order summary, it has discount
code. You enter Matt stats.It case it's one word, but it's
not case sensitive, so you cantype matt stats one word that will take

(01:08:54):
ten bucks off, so you'll getit for twenty instead of thirty. And
it's digitally delivered. This is nota hard copy propum. Now there's a
couple that I'd make for the table, so if you see that, you're
not getting that. But it's adigital product. It'll be delivered to your
email. Now, when there areupdates, somebody finds a typo or something,
I will send out an email thatthere is a new update. Here's

(01:09:15):
the thing. I will tell youwhat page that update is and what the
error is. So if you don'twant to redownload it because it's something you
really don't care about, you arefree not to download it. So it's
basically I'm giving you updates. Soanyway discount code, you click continue,
you get the payment thing. It'seither paypaler you can do a PayPal or
your credit card, which is processedthrough Stripe. It's all secure, so

(01:09:38):
that's how that is. It'll bedigitally delivered on Tuesday, March nineteenth.
You can buy it all the waythrough and then it'll be opened to buy
at the end of the tournament aswell if you want it for a yearbook,
those type of things. So it'sa thirty dollars retail two hundred and
fifty eight pages, maybe more.I'm still sitting there trying to think should
add the Joe Williams or the TJ. Williams Tony Davis thing to it.

(01:09:58):
I need to probably add the matrion seating and such after we've just talked
about it. Here. I gota couple gaps and some pages I can
do there. So Wrestling Preview Guidedot Com use promo code, Matt Stats
save ten dollars on it. Andagain it's something that again if you see
on screen that's the table. That'show much stuff is in there. Actually,
the last thing, actually, theone thing we didn't do is I
actually, for those that are unsurewhen you jump through, here's what's in

(01:10:20):
every section I actually did. Iforgot the one of the most important things
about this. It's not just history. Each weight I get the top seed
a spot, some over the overarchingstats about the weight class, and then
this is the nuts and bolts ofit. Every single wrestler bio information,

(01:10:41):
how they qualified, their record,hometown, high school, their year in
school, how many times they've beento the tournament, what their record is
all time in the NCAAA Tournament,their record versus the teams or the wrestlers
in the in the tournament, theirrecord versus starters all year long, their
bonus victories, their bonus percentage,the number of high titles they've won,
how many Fargo Medals they've won,the Big Board ranking on Willie's Mad Scout

(01:11:03):
stunt, their pronunciation, and everymatch they've wrestled against the Division one opponent
this season. Boom right there,the entire back half, every single wrestler
in the tournament, not to mention, one hundred and sixty pages of history
you cannot find in one place anywhereelse. So that's what it is.

(01:11:24):
And of course it's a big comicbook theme this year, so we got
the year volume ninety two of theNCAA Championships. This is the twelfth year
I've done it. It's the GuideWrestling Preview Guide dot Com. Matt Stats
is your discount code to save youten bucks. That's what's in it.
That's why I did. The backhalf of this thing is where the gold
is. The history is great,but the back half is what you're gonna
sit there arguing your bets with.That's what I got, guys, Thank

(01:11:47):
you so much, Jason. Welook forward to hearing you all weekend.
With Brian Hazard and Kevin, Iwill be voting for you guys in Sweden.
Love to seeing the matches on behalfof Kevin and Jason. I'm playing
Gormley for match stats. See youeveryone in Kansas City.

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