February 17, 2025 • 41 mins
In this conversation, Jasmine Dennis discusses her journey in the health and wellness industry, emphasizing the importance of compassionate leadership in preventing burnout. She introduces the concept of the 'burnout pie' to help visualize and address stressors in life. Jasmine shares insights on herbal remedies for better sleep and the benefits of laughter yoga. The conversation highlights the need for a wellness culture in organizations and the significance of community and connection in healing.
Takeaways
Takeaways
- Jasmine Dennis has over 20 years of experience in health and wellness.
- Compassionate leadership is crucial in preventing employee burnout.
- Burnout is recognized by the World Health Organization as an occupational phenomenon.
- Visualizing burnout as a pie can help identify and address stressors.
- Healthy employees contribute to a healthy home environment.
- Herbal remedies, like lavender tea, can aid in better sleep.
- Laughter yoga is a powerful tool for mental health.
- Creating a wellness culture in organizations can reduce healthcare costs.
- Mindfulness and self-check-ins are essential for personal well-being.
- Community and connection are vital for healing and support.
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hello, and welcome to the Meeting Project podcast. I'm your host,
doctor daniel A Franz, and as always, thank you for
this opportunity to bring a little bit of meaning, purpose
and resilience to your day Today. On the podcast, I
have guests Jasmine Dennis and Jasmine is a powerhouse. She
is so much energy and wisdom and enlightenment. She was
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a fun chats. She is in the wellderness industry. She
was directly involved in building more than twenty fitness facilities
from the ground up, including this was so cool three
for the former heavyweight champion of the World, Lennox Lewis,
and I love she was talking about Lennox Lewis and
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his partner in this endeavor. I'm not going to tell
you that person's name because when she said it, I
just about spit out my tea because it was kind
of cool. So listen, you know, listen to that and
see if you catch the name of Lennox Lewis's business
partner in this. But after all those years building fitness
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centers and helping in the Workman's Compensation Board, she has
gone into helping businesses and corporations improve their wellness and
her formula was pretty dang solid and pretty consistent with
what we talk about here on the Meaning Project. So
I hope you enjoy our conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know I did.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
This is Jasmine Dennis of Jazzbhealth dot com. You can
find her at jazz you know the word Jazz Bhealth
dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Enjoy all right, Jasmine Dennis, thank you so much for
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taking some time to do with us. We've already had
an amazing, insightful conversation before hitting the record. But now
that I've hit record, yes, tell me a little bit
about your First of all, your website. Your background is amazing.
I don't want to give away any spoilers, but it's
pretty cool. Let's talk about Jazz d Health.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Okay, great, So Jazz the Health and Wellness is born
out of about twenty years off in the health and
wellness space, you know, building health and ladless facilities from
a hold in the ground, including three for the former
heavyweight champion up the world, Lennox Lewis. And at the time,
you know, I was with another business partner and and
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they heard I was on my way out to go
do my own business. And you know, Lennox and ty Dome,
you had owned a facility in the city and they said,
we want to talk to you, and I said, oh,
you want to talk to me. I'm going to do
my own thing, but I'll come listen to you. So
long story short.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You let me jump in real quick. I'm going to
jump in real quick.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Already, y you just said tie Domi and just breeze
like like ty DOMI former NHL hockey p Yes, yes, yes,
he was a bruiser.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes, this is a bruiser.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So he and.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Lennox did own this facility in the city. And you know,
I got a call to go in because I was
out from the other one to go do my own.
And I was determined to.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Do my own.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And I went into the meeting with Lennox and I
walked in very cocky and said, you know what, I
listened to you, but I'm gonna do my own. You know,
I'm just gonna do my own. So long story short,
I said, I'll consult with you for six months. I'll
get your business up and running, and then I'm gonna
from my own. When I was walking out, he said
to me, you know, so how can I sweeten the pot?
And I said, well, you know, if you want me
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to be your assistant to do dry cleaning. Nothing wrong
with that, but that's not my skill. You know. My
skill is getting down there with a hard hat, helping
build the fillingses and bring it back to success. So
then you know, he said, well, I'm going to sweeten
the pot and I'm going to have you like, you know,
come shadow one of my boxing events that was in
England at the time, and I did, you know, and
I wrote him what I thought was going on, and
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that's you know it, you know, take it from there.
We did it all over the world, Vegas, wherever, South Africa, wherever. However,
when he moved his business out of Canada, I went
into real estate knowing that my passion is totally health
and wellness, because I thought, I have a lifestyle I
have to keep up. Maybe this is the best place
to merge into. I had great clients to get me wrong,
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and I'm good at it, but my passion is health
and wellness. And during those times when I was building
facilities at the time, I went in to the facilities
into a corporate company and said, you know what, I
want you to give your employees the gift of health.
I want you to not give you. It can give
them the watching, it can give them the vacation, but
what about the gifts of health. It took me hard
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to get to the top to get it done. But yes,
so my sales staff didn't have to work for a
year because this whole corporation would come in and they're
just signing up memberships. And you know, the City of
Toronto was one of our big clients at the time.
So in the real estate, my mind and my heart.
You know, when it's your passion, when you put on
this earth for something, you can run, but you can't hide.
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You know. They used to give my dad, who was
a minister, a hard time and say, your children are
not looking like they're Christians, you know, And my dad
would always say, give it time. They'll come to Jesus
on time, you know. So it's the same thing with
jazzit the health and wellness. So I do I try
to align myself with corporation in the to prevent burnouts.
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So I go from the point of compassionate leader, because
a compassionate leader would also have emotional intelligence and they
would see, like Bernard is one of the biggest and
I have a book on that Bernard is one of
the biggest, biggest. The World Health Organization says, it's an
accumation of the phenomenon. So what I try to tell
employers is not us coming in and slapping you on
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the hand and say you don't have a corporate program
and you don't have a leadership development program. We want
to not integrate where you have a wellness culture, where
programs are designed, because we spend a lot of time
at work, right and I'm telling you right now, a
healthy work. And as you see on my website, if
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an employee is healthy, they're going to take it home
to be healthy. They're not going to you know, and
when they go home, you know, they don't understand why.
You know, sometimes the wife or the husband is upset
and they're crying because you know, my book says hidden signs,
Identify and emotional book. And so because you have the
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hidden signs of emotional burnout, it's not recognized quite often.
So I like to give a visual demonstration up you know,
make it very visual, and I create this burnout pie.
Two pies. One has empty slots and one has eight slices.
You know, doctor Dan, if I come to you and
I said, you know, doctor Dan, I'm gonna give you
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a peach pie right now, and if you eat it
that all at once, you're not gonna feel that well.
But if you slice it up, and if you pay
attention and mindfully eat that slice, you're gonna enjoy it more. So.
In a burnout pie, I would lay out the hidden
signs of lack of sleep, which is so hidden you
don't know why you're sleeping. You think you had too
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much caffeine that day, or you think you're stressed. That's
called burnout. So there's sleep, there is you know, chronic stress,
there is irritability, there's for performance at work, there's detachment,
and even the children in the home. You don't understand
why one of your kid is acting up. And you know,
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if you really do that emotion and say, you know what,
I'm going to not just say, you know, Johnny's a
bad boy or whatever the case to be, I'm going
to go beyond that. You might find out that he's
experienced a stressful time at school, you know, and it's
the same time at home. You know, you know the
man cave thing. Why do you think we have the
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man cave thing? He just wants to go in there
and feel himself again. But a wife will take it
very personal. So what I tell my clients is to
visualize this pie and eat slices. Eight slices, not a lot,
because there's way more burnout symptoms, but we're gonna deal
with eight. And I want you to take, for instance, sleeplessness,
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and I want you to just work on sleeplessness, and
you know, we'll go through to help you to get
to feeling good. And I know in your practice, doctor Dan,
you're you're pretty good at getting people to feel themselves
and feel good. Right, that's the said, yes, you know,
so I said, you know, we're going to take these
steps so that you feel good, so that you are
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getting to the point and you're going to find yourself
maybe oh my god, maybe a week. Oh I slept
through the night. I do it myself when I sleep
straight through the night. I I'm going, girl, you're doing good.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's that's really interesting because I run into so much
sleeplessness in my practice. So many people are struggling with
getting to sleep, staying asleep, sleeping long enough, And like
you said, that is just a I mean, that is
a sign of so many other underlying problems.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Absolutely so when they have conquered that sleepless less however,
we've designed that prob because I'm also a certified herbalist.
You know, I can I know all the bushes that
you know they say God makes a bush in the
in the in the forest for everything. We al right,
So when we can to that point where we where
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we take that, the goal is for that person or
that company, or that department or that leader to say,
I can now shift that slice of sleepness over to
the empty pie, and that you're going to grade it
as I'm sleeping. So there you go until you address
so then you're gonna say detachment at work. You know,
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the reason I'm really phoning on and compassionate leadership is
because at work that employ that leader herself or himself
could be in burnout moda not knowing but be able
to identify. Make it so that they trust you to
come and say, you know, I'm having a heart day
at work today, you know, and and and you know
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among this hamster wheel of going, going, going, going, going,
you know, that compassionate leader has to leave the door
right open so that employee can come at work on
the next piece of their pie, which is detachment at work,
low job performance at work, you know, so that compassionate
leader can also will also recognize cinta. Oh maybe I
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feel like that employee and the deadline. Constantly trying to
get to that deadline is detrimental. I'll give you. Let
me tell you a quick story. I have a friend
of mine and I was meeting her to do something
one day, and when she came in the car, she
had tears in her eyes, and I said, what's up?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And she had her.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Phone in her hand and she says, I feel like
I could just have you run over this phone right now.
And I said why And she said to me, I
have to take the phone eating too the bathroom. My
boss makes me take it so I don't miss an
email and I don't miss a call. And I said
to myself, did you talk to your supervisor? Did you
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talk to your boss? And said, you know what, I
would like at least that little time, maybe to go
outside and do some laughing yoga, you know which. People
don't understand the benefits of laughing yoga. The mind, they say,
doesn't know really what's real from what's so real. You
laugh yourself back into a state of happiness if you can,
you know, trust that individual to say, you know, I
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really would like to leave my phone on my desk,
you know, and I really like to go do what
I need to do. She says, No, I didn't tellerrate
anything because you probably fire me. And I said, you know,
you know, when you have to if you get into
the stage where you're at right now, you know, you
really have to say, do I ask for help there?
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Or do I leave and go get help from my
standing because it's not there's a reason why they say
is like I said, the World Health Organization says, are
not occupational phenomenon. And we walk around with all eight slices.
Most people walk around all eight slices and until it
gets to you know, somebody, you know my somebody just
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called me and says, did you hear this popular guy
just dropped dead from a stoke? And you know? And
I said, no, wonder because it's everywhere. It's so even
though I hone in on the corporation, the corporation takes
it to the commune, and the corporation and the individual
at the corporation take it to the hume. So you're
healing across all spectrum, so that when you get to
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a place where and there's some companies.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That do it quite well, but that is refreshing to hear.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, there's some companies that do it right well. And
it starts from the top down. I usually say to
the confessionally, do an individual do a check up from
the neck up? You know? And so this is my
spin on corporate health. It's you know, doctor, Like I
tell you, it is not a sexy job. Most people
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you don't go to some people it says i'd like
to develop a wellness program in your corporation. You're going
to get pushed back every single every time, every single time,
you know, And you don't have to say, you know,
I'm here to serve, I'm here to help, and I
don't even have to be here. You can pick your
most crested leader and I can work with that leader
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to bring a corporate culture into your work. I mean
a wellness culture into your corporation, into your organization, into
your home. And so that's what you know, I think
that's what I'm deserved to go do. I don't know why,
could be some of a lot easier jobs.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well, I tell you, your passion and your knowledge definitely comes through.
Just in this conversation, I've got kind of a two
pronged question here, right, Yes, the World of Health organization
tells us that that burnout is such a critical situation
in the work environment. Yeah, I guess the two questions are,
how do you define burnout? Because it has such a
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big definition, But why do you think it's become such
a problem in the past decade or.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So, because like it's hidden, the signs are hidden, and
it's masked by so many other things. You know, if
if you walk through the door and says, you know what, Jasmine,
you look tired today, I might say, oh, I didn't
get that much sleep? Well, what is the root cause
of that? So you know you have to get to
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the root. And because it is hidden, you walk and
myself included my I catch myself. And only because I'm
in this field, I catch myself if I'm short, if
I don't have the patience when I pull the card
to the garage and you know, I don't have the
time and the spatient because I'm rushing and I don't
give it time to warm up, or you know, when
I get to work, I do you know, go to
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the door and employ if if you stand back and watch.
You know, sometimes I do a little secret work. If
I'm going to you know, trying to approach an organization,
I will go on the main floor of that building
and I will just stand and watch, and it's just
fifteen people try to go the one in levator all
that time because I got to get there, and they
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gotta get it done, and they got to get there.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Everybody's in a rush.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
So I would say it up to then is to
first of all, you have to identified, you have to
do a checkup. You have to sit with yourself. You
have to be mindful to say how am I feeling today?
Why am I There's a reason for everything you do
in life. You know, if you walk down the street
and a guy waved to you and say hello, you know,
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he's not just waiting to you and say hellong. He
might like you, might like you have a little bit
of five minute conversation with you. Right, So there is
a hidden cause and a hidden reason for everything. And
it takes an emotionally intelligent leader and a compassionate leader
within the workforce to say, you know what my team
is constantly under producing, what is it without admission, without
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you know, chastisement, without laying off. You know, when I
was in the wellness business and one of the wellness
facility we took it took from it was supposed to
be a four forty thousand script facility. Then it went
to a sixty thousand spirt facility. Then it went to
a seventy five thousand spirtuality and it was in building
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for seven years. And because you know, one of the
part owner at that time was mister Canada and he
was an association with Arnold Schwarzenegga where they trained for bodybuilding.
And so Joe Gold, the head of Goldgym, once a
year has this big sourray in California for all the
gem owners. And I remember we went to that and
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everybody had to stand up to see what projects are
you in and what you're doing? And I stood up
and you know, I said, oh, you know, my name
is Jasmine Dennis, and we're building this. You know, this
beautiful facility. It's been building for seven years. You could
drop a pin. I think people's sporks were dropping on
their plate. And during that time, doctor Dad, I must
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have lost every single employee because they didn't have the patients,
they couldn't see further, or you know, they were like saying,
this is gonna burn me out. I can't do this.
But I always say to them, wherever somebody is going,
take her self with you before you decide to quit
an organization. And this is what I try to stress.
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We're not here to have employees walk out on their
jobs because they're burnout. We're here to say, before you
take that drastic step of going somewhere else, checking with yourself.
Is it me? What's causing me to feel that way?
What's causing the child to go to school every morning
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and cry every morning before I don't want to go
to school, don't want to go to school. You gotta
stop and check. And a little quick story again because
I weave my personal life in there, because I like
to lead by example and to show that I'm just
human like everyone else. When I had my daughter, young daughter,
and we had a babysitter, and I had to take
my daughter to the babysitter. But every time the babysitter
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opens the door, she chop me. She doesn't want to
go sh hang on so tight. So what I did
I went to work, but I did a spot check
during the middle of the day, and when I got there,
I not she had my plate in there. When I
got there, I could hear the kids all prime, you know,
in her apartment. But then I heard laughter down the
other apartment. And so she was at her friends watching
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soap opera and let all the kids. So when I
when she came in, there was four other kids in
my child's playpen, you know. So yes, so you have
to check. And it brings you back to if you
have a team, if you yourself every day you go
to work and you're having a stomach ache, just to
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check in with yourself. If it means this is you know,
one's gonna change, it's not producive to your help, then
you leave and you seek the necessary help that is
going to make you well. We're all here to be well,
you know, and my framework is wellness, and what wellness
spells is a lot of things. You know, we all
need to and we all can be well. You know.
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You know that, doctor, you know, well, it's it's the
goal right now.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Pardon have the ability, but you're right, when we work
in an environment that does not allow that. My mentor
doctor Victor Frankel would call that the Sunday neurosis. Right
when you're preparing Sunday night, you know Monday's coming and
you're just all tied up and you feel sick and
angry and grumpy and you don't want to go in
the next day. That's a big queue for burnout, right there.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I have that, But I read a book on that,
because it will tell you my job started works compensation
board and you know, and what someone would do not
to go to work, you know in that you don't
had my experience in you know, Mondays at work, and
there's studies that show their more heart attacks that happen
on a Monday. Sure more suicide unfortunately that happens on
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a Monday. And people you get Friday and you might say,
thank god it's Friday. You go get some beers and
you have a bird time, and then Saturday comes and
you kind of feel a good halfway through Saturday, but
Sunday comes and boy, oh boy. So I have a
book on that. You know that. I'll send you both
books anyway, because you know, you know, doctor Donald like
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to leave the burnout book and that book because you
brought it up. I'll send you the link to that
so that your artists can get it for free.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Thanks too, So I do. I'm so curious.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
So when you talk about the Burnout Pie specifically sleep,
because I'm struggling with a lot of people trying to find.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Solutions for better sleep.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
As a certified herbalist, what do you recommend for that?
What are some of the things you recommend for that
slice of the pie to help people their sleepless nights?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Oh as this, Oh my god, there are so many,
you know, and I to speak. I wish I could
take a picture off my one of my cabin. A
whole wall is dedicated to different you know, shoots, to
different teas, and I'm heavily into teas and stuff like that.
And they work on like a layered you know, layered choppy.
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So I start off, you know, like you know the
main ones that are good for sleep or like you
know lavendery number one, right, you know, it's one of
the main one for teeth, And you start and I
mix them. I mix them because as long as they're
not conflicting and contradicting with each other, I mix them.
And then before I getting to start doing the remedy,
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I make sure that there's nothing physically wrong with me.
You know, uh, my blood pressure, okay, it's my blood sugar. Okay,
it's my heart beating. Right? Is there palpulation in my heart?
Am I getting in that exercise? And you know, and
because I'm not necessarily you know, prone to far pharmaceutical stuff,
I'm not, you know, That's why I'm in the herbalisms
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within me from the dead was more. My dad was
a farmer and the minister, so I'm used to growing
my own stuff. And I usually say, you know what,
if someone loves their coffee, yes, by all means, have
your coffee, but cut off the time you have your coffee,
drink your coffee in the morning and enjoy that copany
you know, they're not they're seeing their benefits for that.
I mean, if I wasn't so hyper to begin with,
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I love the smell of coffee, I'm too high for
any of a couple of herbal teas throughout the day,
you know, And now you know, you get into start
maybe doing you know, high biscus. You're looking at, you know,
with tea with a little earl gray mixed in it,
so you're getting a little bit of caffeine but not
the job of one there, right, And because I know
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huge coffee drinkers don't like decaf coffees, even though they
say the benefits are the same. And you start laying
you don't just say, okay, drink my coffee this morning
at ten am, and then you go to your labbin
the tea in the afternoon. And I don't know what
happens to me. Coffee makes me sleepy.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I've heard that for some people. Yeah, and usually it's
the people that tend to have extra energy and might
be a little hyper. Anyway, the caffeine almost works in reverse.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yes, I can take it and go to bed, but
you know, so just I'm just scared the one night
I do that, I'll never sleep. So, you know, yeah,
it's got a careful So you start lanning wee. You
merge it into like a high biscus and I like
the the you know, the leaves, and I go to
have like small I buy small batch, you know, from EG,
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and I look for the grade they put on there,
the grade of caffeine. So there's somebody who's used to
that pulting caffeine. You look for that way you merge
it into you know, where there's a little bit of
caffeine in there, but it's not going to affect your sleeplessness.
And then in the afternoon you just brew something and
you know, sip it the Japanese no tea sip and
just sip it in whatever. Some people, my former mother
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in law used to say to me, I can't believe
you wake up in the morning and drink tea. It
makes me say, why would you drink coffee kind of thing.
But you know I drink strong black teas in the morning,
so I get like our strong green tea and I
get my caffeine. Kid, So you merge it and you
take it down and basically bread the breath is it.
There's a reason why we have breath in our lungs
because it works amazing. You know, I don't put my
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foot on bed unless I sit up and do five
deep rats. And I don't lay when I lie down,
I might do ten threats and I just slowly take
myself down. So I combine the herbal remedies with the mindfulness.
And you know, I'm a certified yoga teacher, but I'm
not gonna do yoga at night. And most people are
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not used to that, you know, when I want energy
during the day, though, I will do a laugh in yoga,
and I don't care who sees me laughing, because after
laughing for about two minutes, you can laugh yourself to
tears coming down. And that's what I heard.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You mentioned that earlier, and I was going to ask,
but since you brought that up, I don't think I've
ever heard of laughing yoga.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So please tell me more.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh yes, absolutely so laughing yogurts. It's coming me. So
of course everything is you know, eastern where western, so
everything starts there. And you start off basically taking some
deep breaths because your mind it means you take deep breaths.
There's a correlation between the okay, she's ready to do
something now, you know, that's an indication to the body
that something is coming when you stop and mindfully do
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by you know, some breaths. Right, So I do that,
and then I might just start chuckling, and then I
probably think of something, you know, a little bit funny,
and then after what I just start, you know, and
it goes in until you actually laugh without any reason
to laugh out loud loud, and you try, doctor, you laugh,
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you laugh, You have tears coming down your eyes because
you're laughing that much. Because it realizes and you come
here and go, oh, that was good. I'm gonna have
to give it a try. I'm gonna have to you know,
that does well. And that suggests to me that maybe.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, boy, my audience is gonna gonna flip when they
hear this. Maybe there is some benefit to all of
those videos. Everybody's out there watching and scrolling on their phone.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
They do make us giggle a little bit.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Unfortunately they don't have the benefit of what you just described.
I mean, taking those deep breasts and feeling a true
and honest belly laugh.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yes, can be so healing.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yes, Stoctor, that your mind is a powerful, powerful brain.
You know that. It's how I see you're drinking. Is
your coffee or your tea? You're drinking?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
You know, most of the time sometimes it would be coffee,
but today I don't and I didn't even know you were.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Gonna speak on tea. But it is tea.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I've got a little ginger and some cinnamon and uh
maybe even some green tea going on.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Oh it's not lovely, Oh that I have so many
teapots at home. All kinds. So no, no, it's literally honestly,
you can I don't know. I want to shout it
from the rooftop. I want to shout it to everybody
that will listen, that you know, we are here and
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we are meant and we have the intellect and the
desire to heal ourselves. Back in the days, did people
live to one hundred and twenty thirty forty held long? Yeah,
I can't remember the names of ben right now. My
dad won't be pleased, But.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, we saw that the inner healing intelligence right when
it comes to mental health, we all have that ability
within us to heal from burnout, to to you know,
to sort our sleep issues.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Sometimes it takes little help.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It takes help from a trained expert like yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And it takes and you know, doctor Dan, you do
some great jobs too with you know, your remedies that
you use and and your retreats that you do for people.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You know, it is.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
It's it's it's a matter of each one helped lun
And you know, people will say to me, you know,
Jasmine or you know, someone say to me, I said,
you know, I got invited to do this podcast. And
the first thing, the person said to me to get paid,
and I go, this is the world we live in nowadays.
You know that, you know when I wake up in
the morning doing what I love and perfect doing what
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I love at the end of the day, that opens
up something in me, the universe, everything that out of
the blue, something you know you get rewarded is not
the first thing. You're just happy when somebody gets someone
gets well. And you know a quick and nolan story.
You let me know if I'm going too much. But
back in the world was business. I remember a son
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and mother came in and the son came in with
the mother because there was real problem. He said, home
with the husband and the mother, his father and his mother.
And she was probably three hundred pounds overweight. And when
she came in my office, she sat down and I
just said, you know, till the Sunday introduced us. And
I said, to the sudden you know, not that I
(29:43):
don't want you in there, but I just would you
leave for a minute. And what I wanted her to
do because she sat down and I could see the
tears well in. I didn't want to hear anything that day.
I made her. I created a safe space, a trust
in space where she could sit and the body recognizes
that this is how we have to think about where
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this mischi, where this thing on earth, intelligent thing on
earth that it knows. And I let her sit and
she cried and she cried and she cried and she
cried and she cried, and I didn't see a word.
I just sat there. I didn't doodle on my I
didn't lift up my phone. I just sat there at
my hands in my lap and I just sat and
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I let her cry right up to there was no
more tears for her to cry. And I said, you know,
I'm going to ask you to do something for me now.
I want you to go home. I'm not going to
ask you anything today. I'm going to have you go home,
and I want you to come back whichever your schedule
is within this week. Didn't ask about I'm going to
put you on a program. I'm gonna want to give
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you this money and it. I just want you to
go home. I created something for her. She told me
later that she's never had she was able to be herself,
get the emotions down, developed trust through me. Know that
there was no nothing else I wanted from her other
than for her to feel well and that was a
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big dose of wellness for her. And so when she
came back long story short, we dissected what we needed
to do for her. I said, you're gonna have to
trust me. You're gonna have to follow my lead. And
this is how we're gonna make you know because this
oftentimes is not the husband that much. We dissected why
she was reacting everything in her home that was making
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her unwell. So when she found herself, her voice and
herself and her confidence competed in a bodybuilding competition after
I couldn't shut her down, she was like, WHOA.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
What a beautiful gift to give her that safe place,
that container to share those emotions.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And you're so right.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
We and especially I think all people right now struggle
to find that safe place, whether it's at home with
their partner or spousor and friendships. We need that, We
need that community, We need that connection.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
We need to be.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Able to have somebody or several people where we can
be our true authentic self and get those emotions out. Wow,
what a beautiful gift you gave that person.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Thank you so much, doctor, Then thank you, thank you,
And like I said, you know it's it's it's my
you know, when each one teach one, each one helped one, right,
And for me, what most people don't understand is at
that time, the universe is funny. I took that whatever,
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fifteen to twenty minutes of silence myself, you know, and
I enjoyed that. Because my offices revolve indoor. I enjoyed
that silence as well. And that's why I just let
it be what it is. And then you know, I
see her Sally. Sally said, Sally, I don't know how
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to continue anymore. You just a beast. You just you know,
commands is happy again, everybody's happy again. The husband got
a hot looking wife and that's Beau, and that's to
be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I think you make a good point. I think
we struggle as people to sit in with our own
silence these days, yes, right, we always have to be
entertained by a screen or well usually a screen or
something going on that we don't read books very much anymore,
and we certainly don't sit in Simon Stino personally, in
my recent work, I've I've found the power of that
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silence for myself and for others to just allow that
container that there is that inner healing intelligence that we
can tap into. And this woman that you helped so
wonderfully obviously did that through that first session, and I'm
sure through all the other amazing help you provide.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Oh oh absolutely absolutely. And it's you don't understand what
you do at that time until you see the end product, right,
So true, you know, and it's not it wasn't about money,
it wasn't about anything. It was about this people. This
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person need this space and I probably needed that space.
And that's how you go about doing what you need
to do without expectations, then without existation. And I say
that when I go into into a company, you know,
and I tell you I don't. If someone asked me
when I go in to do a presentation, the first
(34:39):
thing they asked me what I charge? I deliberately don't answer.
I do that. I deliberate it. And I've done it
in real estate where I walk into somebody and they said, oh,
you know, I've interviewed three agents and I've gotten them
down to two percent, and you know, what's your commission?
I said, you know, I'm here to do a presentation
for you. I'll do the presentation. We'll address about that time,
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and in the end I get my full commission. And
it's the same thing. It's I do you know, So
when you go into an organization and you're saying, you know,
I'm here to help your organization create a wellness culture,
that would you know, foster employee wellbeing, you know, productivity,
cut back on healthcare costs, you know, aid in whateverthing
(35:23):
that spells wellness. And sometimes I ask them what does
wellness mean to them? I'm not coming in here. I
can do that because I teach a mean class. I'm
not coming in here to disrupt your work by having
a big aerobics class in the middle of the day.
You know, I'm here even ergonomics. How your employees sit
(35:47):
at their desk? I said, how they put their hands
on their keyboard, maybe maybe how they're around the space.
So wellness for me is, you know, skill, mastering simple
skills to give big results. That's bottom line. That's my
bottom line with wellness. And I'm educating someone that says
(36:11):
wellness help. When I say health and wellness, it's a
big canvas, you know, And someone might say to me,
what would you want to speak on I sometimes you say, well,
what do you want to speak on because I can
speak from A to B. You know, if you can
say to me, if you just speaking building a business,
I'm still going to put wellness in there with a
(36:31):
lot of sick businesses out yeah, a lot of sick
businesses out there, you know. So I can put wellness
into any basket that you put me to, because if
you're stop tured, if you're a financial guy, if you're
an accountant, if you're that, if you're that, and you know,
these are the people the organization that I get budded most,
(36:55):
you know, because you know they're saying, you know, will
you this girl coming and telling me, you know, I
have you go do this finance thing, and I have
to get this and you know there's a stop that's
going up, and you know, my you know, and I'm
just I'm just taking a little piece. I can't fix
the world, but if I just just a little bit,
just a little bit bit.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Well, I love your idea that when you when you
helped just a little bit, that helps the company to
help me, the company helps the community, the community helps
the world, and just with that little bit, you can
have a big impact.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Thank you so much. Step to Dan, thank you so
I can call it doctor Dan Ray, you.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Can you can call it what did we say earlier?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
As all as you're not custing me out, you can
find me whatever you want yet.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Thanks Jesse, and as you have been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Thank you so much for taking the time out of
your busy schedule and the cold up there in Canada
to inside to the warm.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And chat with me.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Where can you people find out more about your amazing
work and what you do.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Absolutely, they can go on Jazzyhealth and Wellness dot com.
The website, and because I like your audience to get
a copy of my free book, I'll do the Burnout Book.
I can do the two you know, Happiness Monday, whatever.
But I'll send you the link for those that you
can put in your note and that will dig on
my website that little If you were to go on
(38:15):
my website right now and just to ABC it comes
to me like that, tun it so and so on.
On the website jazz Dyhealth dot and it's you know,
jazz d health is one word, jazz Dyhealth Dot. Then
they can go into LinkedIn. They can find me on LinkedIn,
and I'll see a little bit about LinkedIn because In
my former working with the Hitwy Champion of the World,
(38:35):
everything was so private, private. We weren't on social media anywhere,
so you know, you can you don't want anybody to
find you. You know, you could want little mistake and
you lose a bite. It's so anyway. So now I'm
building my LinkedIn again so you can find me LinkedIn
on Facebook and on YouTube as well jazz d Health there,
(38:56):
I'm doing a training platform there where it's just snippet
off little bits and pieces, whether it's for h R managers,
whether it's for just someone wanted to chuck it just
a little bit. They're not long on workplace health and wellness,
so there are quite a few videos on that as well.
They can go onto the jazz on the YouTube and
get that. So yeah, they can find me anywhere and
(39:16):
you know, reach out to me. And like I said that,
the minute they say the around Doctor Dan Show, I
will tell somehow they can get that book on burnout
and I'll maybe I'll include the one on you know
Monday funny one I look for.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I can't wait to read it. You heard it?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Everybody check out jazz d jazz d elf dot com,
Yes and connect with Jasmine here again. What a wonderful conversation.
And that's just a small sample of the beautiful work
that you do for the people that bring you in.
So again, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Thank you so much, Doctorvan. I appreciate it, and I
follow you and I listen to you. You know, I
follow your work and I do you know a created
and all that stuff. Well, hope to talk to you
in the future on that. Hey, Andy, sorry, let me
know when you're doing a retreat.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'll let you know. We'll do a retreat together.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Okay, fantastic. Why would I love that. I'm an awesome
rest of the day. Thank you so much for having
me again.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's a been a pleasure to take care YouTube bye bye.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I tell you I'm did I tell you she had energy.
I'm exhausted after the conversation and we who took the
conversation further afterwards? She had What a great storyteller. She
continued to share some interesting stories with me. But to
find out more about her work to bring her to
your company, corporation, group, or speaking engagement, check out jazzbehealth
(40:46):
dot com and for listeners of the show, I Know
I'm going to check out both of her books. If
there are anything like her storytelling here, they're going to
be fascinating. So that will be in the show notes
or on the YouTube notes. Wherever you listen to this,
read the section that talks about the podcast, and you'll
have that link to go take a look at her books.
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So to find out more about what I'm up to,
you know you can find me at daniel a Franz
dot com. That's d a n i e l A
f r a n z dot com. As always, thank
you for this opportunity to bring some meaning, purpose and
resilience to your day. Take care,
Hello, and welcome to the Meeting Project podcast. I'm your host,
doctor daniel A Franz, and as always, thank you for
this opportunity to bring a little bit of meaning, purpose
and resilience to your day Today. On the podcast, I
have guests Jasmine Dennis and Jasmine is a powerhouse. She
is so much energy and wisdom and enlightenment. She was
(00:41):
a fun chats. She is in the wellderness industry. She
was directly involved in building more than twenty fitness facilities
from the ground up, including this was so cool three
for the former heavyweight champion of the World, Lennox Lewis,
and I love she was talking about Lennox Lewis and
(01:01):
his partner in this endeavor. I'm not going to tell
you that person's name because when she said it, I
just about spit out my tea because it was kind
of cool. So listen, you know, listen to that and
see if you catch the name of Lennox Lewis's business
partner in this. But after all those years building fitness
(01:23):
centers and helping in the Workman's Compensation Board, she has
gone into helping businesses and corporations improve their wellness and
her formula was pretty dang solid and pretty consistent with
what we talk about here on the Meaning Project. So
I hope you enjoy our conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I know I did.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
This is Jasmine Dennis of Jazzbhealth dot com. You can
find her at jazz you know the word Jazz Bhealth
dot com.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Enjoy all right, Jasmine Dennis, thank you so much for
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taking some time to do with us. We've already had
an amazing, insightful conversation before hitting the record. But now
that I've hit record, yes, tell me a little bit
about your First of all, your website. Your background is amazing.
I don't want to give away any spoilers, but it's
pretty cool. Let's talk about Jazz d Health.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Okay, great, So Jazz the Health and Wellness is born
out of about twenty years off in the health and
wellness space, you know, building health and ladless facilities from
a hold in the ground, including three for the former
heavyweight champion up the world, Lennox Lewis. And at the time,
you know, I was with another business partner and and
(03:05):
they heard I was on my way out to go
do my own business. And you know, Lennox and ty Dome,
you had owned a facility in the city and they said,
we want to talk to you, and I said, oh,
you want to talk to me. I'm going to do
my own thing, but I'll come listen to you. So
long story short.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You let me jump in real quick. I'm going to
jump in real quick.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Already, y you just said tie Domi and just breeze
like like ty DOMI former NHL hockey p Yes, yes, yes,
he was a bruiser.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes, this is a bruiser.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
So he and.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Lennox did own this facility in the city. And you know,
I got a call to go in because I was
out from the other one to go do my own.
And I was determined to.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Do my own.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And I went into the meeting with Lennox and I
walked in very cocky and said, you know what, I
listened to you, but I'm gonna do my own. You know,
I'm just gonna do my own. So long story short,
I said, I'll consult with you for six months. I'll
get your business up and running, and then I'm gonna
from my own. When I was walking out, he said
to me, you know, so how can I sweeten the pot?
And I said, well, you know, if you want me
(04:09):
to be your assistant to do dry cleaning. Nothing wrong
with that, but that's not my skill. You know. My
skill is getting down there with a hard hat, helping
build the fillingses and bring it back to success. So
then you know, he said, well, I'm going to sweeten
the pot and I'm going to have you like, you know,
come shadow one of my boxing events that was in
England at the time, and I did, you know, and
I wrote him what I thought was going on, and
(04:30):
that's you know it, you know, take it from there.
We did it all over the world, Vegas, wherever, South Africa, wherever. However,
when he moved his business out of Canada, I went
into real estate knowing that my passion is totally health
and wellness, because I thought, I have a lifestyle I
have to keep up. Maybe this is the best place
to merge into. I had great clients to get me wrong,
(04:51):
and I'm good at it, but my passion is health
and wellness. And during those times when I was building
facilities at the time, I went in to the facilities
into a corporate company and said, you know what, I
want you to give your employees the gift of health.
I want you to not give you. It can give
them the watching, it can give them the vacation, but
what about the gifts of health. It took me hard
(05:12):
to get to the top to get it done. But yes,
so my sales staff didn't have to work for a
year because this whole corporation would come in and they're
just signing up memberships. And you know, the City of
Toronto was one of our big clients at the time.
So in the real estate, my mind and my heart.
You know, when it's your passion, when you put on
this earth for something, you can run, but you can't hide.
(05:34):
You know. They used to give my dad, who was
a minister, a hard time and say, your children are
not looking like they're Christians, you know, And my dad
would always say, give it time. They'll come to Jesus
on time, you know. So it's the same thing with
jazzit the health and wellness. So I do I try
to align myself with corporation in the to prevent burnouts.
(05:58):
So I go from the point of compassionate leader, because
a compassionate leader would also have emotional intelligence and they
would see, like Bernard is one of the biggest and
I have a book on that Bernard is one of
the biggest, biggest. The World Health Organization says, it's an
accumation of the phenomenon. So what I try to tell
employers is not us coming in and slapping you on
(06:20):
the hand and say you don't have a corporate program
and you don't have a leadership development program. We want
to not integrate where you have a wellness culture, where
programs are designed, because we spend a lot of time
at work, right and I'm telling you right now, a
healthy work. And as you see on my website, if
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an employee is healthy, they're going to take it home
to be healthy. They're not going to you know, and
when they go home, you know, they don't understand why.
You know, sometimes the wife or the husband is upset
and they're crying because you know, my book says hidden signs,
Identify and emotional book. And so because you have the
(07:05):
hidden signs of emotional burnout, it's not recognized quite often.
So I like to give a visual demonstration up you know,
make it very visual, and I create this burnout pie.
Two pies. One has empty slots and one has eight slices.
You know, doctor Dan, if I come to you and
I said, you know, doctor Dan, I'm gonna give you
(07:26):
a peach pie right now, and if you eat it
that all at once, you're not gonna feel that well.
But if you slice it up, and if you pay
attention and mindfully eat that slice, you're gonna enjoy it more. So.
In a burnout pie, I would lay out the hidden
signs of lack of sleep, which is so hidden you
don't know why you're sleeping. You think you had too
(07:47):
much caffeine that day, or you think you're stressed. That's
called burnout. So there's sleep, there is you know, chronic stress,
there is irritability, there's for performance at work, there's detachment,
and even the children in the home. You don't understand
why one of your kid is acting up. And you know,
(08:08):
if you really do that emotion and say, you know what,
I'm going to not just say, you know, Johnny's a
bad boy or whatever the case to be, I'm going
to go beyond that. You might find out that he's
experienced a stressful time at school, you know, and it's
the same time at home. You know, you know the
man cave thing. Why do you think we have the
(08:29):
man cave thing? He just wants to go in there
and feel himself again. But a wife will take it
very personal. So what I tell my clients is to
visualize this pie and eat slices. Eight slices, not a lot,
because there's way more burnout symptoms, but we're gonna deal
with eight. And I want you to take, for instance, sleeplessness,
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and I want you to just work on sleeplessness, and
you know, we'll go through to help you to get
to feeling good. And I know in your practice, doctor Dan,
you're you're pretty good at getting people to feel themselves
and feel good. Right, that's the said, yes, you know,
so I said, you know, we're going to take these
steps so that you feel good, so that you are
(09:12):
getting to the point and you're going to find yourself
maybe oh my god, maybe a week. Oh I slept
through the night. I do it myself when I sleep
straight through the night. I I'm going, girl, you're doing good.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You know.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's that's really interesting because I run into so much
sleeplessness in my practice. So many people are struggling with
getting to sleep, staying asleep, sleeping long enough, And like
you said, that is just a I mean, that is
a sign of so many other underlying problems.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Absolutely so when they have conquered that sleepless less however,
we've designed that prob because I'm also a certified herbalist.
You know, I can I know all the bushes that
you know they say God makes a bush in the
in the in the forest for everything. We al right,
So when we can to that point where we where
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we take that, the goal is for that person or
that company, or that department or that leader to say,
I can now shift that slice of sleepness over to
the empty pie, and that you're going to grade it
as I'm sleeping. So there you go until you address
so then you're gonna say detachment at work. You know,
(10:23):
the reason I'm really phoning on and compassionate leadership is
because at work that employ that leader herself or himself
could be in burnout moda not knowing but be able
to identify. Make it so that they trust you to
come and say, you know, I'm having a heart day
at work today, you know, and and and you know
(10:43):
among this hamster wheel of going, going, going, going, going,
you know, that compassionate leader has to leave the door
right open so that employee can come at work on
the next piece of their pie, which is detachment at work,
low job performance at work, you know, so that compassionate
leader can also will also recognize cinta. Oh maybe I
(11:05):
feel like that employee and the deadline. Constantly trying to
get to that deadline is detrimental. I'll give you. Let
me tell you a quick story. I have a friend
of mine and I was meeting her to do something
one day, and when she came in the car, she
had tears in her eyes, and I said, what's up?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And she had her.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Phone in her hand and she says, I feel like
I could just have you run over this phone right now.
And I said why And she said to me, I
have to take the phone eating too the bathroom. My
boss makes me take it so I don't miss an
email and I don't miss a call. And I said
to myself, did you talk to your supervisor? Did you
(11:44):
talk to your boss? And said, you know what, I
would like at least that little time, maybe to go
outside and do some laughing yoga, you know which. People
don't understand the benefits of laughing yoga. The mind, they say,
doesn't know really what's real from what's so real. You
laugh yourself back into a state of happiness if you can,
you know, trust that individual to say, you know, I
(12:06):
really would like to leave my phone on my desk,
you know, and I really like to go do what
I need to do. She says, No, I didn't tellerrate
anything because you probably fire me. And I said, you know,
you know, when you have to if you get into
the stage where you're at right now, you know, you
really have to say, do I ask for help there?
(12:27):
Or do I leave and go get help from my
standing because it's not there's a reason why they say
is like I said, the World Health Organization says, are
not occupational phenomenon. And we walk around with all eight slices.
Most people walk around all eight slices and until it
gets to you know, somebody, you know my somebody just
(12:48):
called me and says, did you hear this popular guy
just dropped dead from a stoke? And you know? And
I said, no, wonder because it's everywhere. It's so even
though I hone in on the corporation, the corporation takes
it to the commune, and the corporation and the individual
at the corporation take it to the hume. So you're
healing across all spectrum, so that when you get to
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a place where and there's some companies.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
That do it quite well, but that is refreshing to hear.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
Yeah, there's some companies that do it right well. And
it starts from the top down. I usually say to
the confessionally, do an individual do a check up from
the neck up? You know? And so this is my
spin on corporate health. It's you know, doctor, Like I
tell you, it is not a sexy job. Most people
(13:39):
you don't go to some people it says i'd like
to develop a wellness program in your corporation. You're going
to get pushed back every single every time, every single time,
you know, And you don't have to say, you know,
I'm here to serve, I'm here to help, and I
don't even have to be here. You can pick your
most crested leader and I can work with that leader
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to bring a corporate culture into your work. I mean
a wellness culture into your corporation, into your organization, into
your home. And so that's what you know, I think
that's what I'm deserved to go do. I don't know why,
could be some of a lot easier jobs.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Well, I tell you, your passion and your knowledge definitely comes through.
Just in this conversation, I've got kind of a two
pronged question here, right, Yes, the World of Health organization
tells us that that burnout is such a critical situation
in the work environment. Yeah, I guess the two questions are,
how do you define burnout? Because it has such a
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big definition, But why do you think it's become such
a problem in the past decade or.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
So, because like it's hidden, the signs are hidden, and
it's masked by so many other things. You know, if
if you walk through the door and says, you know what, Jasmine,
you look tired today, I might say, oh, I didn't
get that much sleep? Well, what is the root cause
of that? So you know you have to get to
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the root. And because it is hidden, you walk and
myself included my I catch myself. And only because I'm
in this field, I catch myself if I'm short, if
I don't have the patience when I pull the card
to the garage and you know, I don't have the
time and the spatient because I'm rushing and I don't
give it time to warm up, or you know, when
I get to work, I do you know, go to
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the door and employ if if you stand back and watch.
You know, sometimes I do a little secret work. If
I'm going to you know, trying to approach an organization,
I will go on the main floor of that building
and I will just stand and watch, and it's just
fifteen people try to go the one in levator all
that time because I got to get there, and they
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gotta get it done, and they got to get there.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Everybody's in a rush.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
So I would say it up to then is to
first of all, you have to identified, you have to
do a checkup. You have to sit with yourself. You
have to be mindful to say how am I feeling today?
Why am I There's a reason for everything you do
in life. You know, if you walk down the street
and a guy waved to you and say hello, you know,
(16:17):
he's not just waiting to you and say hellong. He
might like you, might like you have a little bit
of five minute conversation with you. Right, So there is
a hidden cause and a hidden reason for everything. And
it takes an emotionally intelligent leader and a compassionate leader
within the workforce to say, you know what my team
is constantly under producing, what is it without admission, without
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you know, chastisement, without laying off. You know, when I
was in the wellness business and one of the wellness
facility we took it took from it was supposed to
be a four forty thousand script facility. Then it went
to a sixty thousand spirt facility. Then it went to
a seventy five thousand spirtuality and it was in building
(17:01):
for seven years. And because you know, one of the
part owner at that time was mister Canada and he
was an association with Arnold Schwarzenegga where they trained for bodybuilding.
And so Joe Gold, the head of Goldgym, once a
year has this big sourray in California for all the
gem owners. And I remember we went to that and
(17:23):
everybody had to stand up to see what projects are
you in and what you're doing? And I stood up
and you know, I said, oh, you know, my name
is Jasmine Dennis, and we're building this. You know, this
beautiful facility. It's been building for seven years. You could
drop a pin. I think people's sporks were dropping on
their plate. And during that time, doctor Dad, I must
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have lost every single employee because they didn't have the patients,
they couldn't see further, or you know, they were like saying,
this is gonna burn me out. I can't do this.
But I always say to them, wherever somebody is going,
take her self with you before you decide to quit
an organization. And this is what I try to stress.
(18:04):
We're not here to have employees walk out on their
jobs because they're burnout. We're here to say, before you
take that drastic step of going somewhere else, checking with yourself.
Is it me? What's causing me to feel that way?
What's causing the child to go to school every morning
(18:26):
and cry every morning before I don't want to go
to school, don't want to go to school. You gotta
stop and check. And a little quick story again because
I weave my personal life in there, because I like
to lead by example and to show that I'm just
human like everyone else. When I had my daughter, young daughter,
and we had a babysitter, and I had to take
my daughter to the babysitter. But every time the babysitter
(18:47):
opens the door, she chop me. She doesn't want to
go sh hang on so tight. So what I did
I went to work, but I did a spot check
during the middle of the day, and when I got there,
I not she had my plate in there. When I
got there, I could hear the kids all prime, you know,
in her apartment. But then I heard laughter down the
other apartment. And so she was at her friends watching
(19:09):
soap opera and let all the kids. So when I
when she came in, there was four other kids in
my child's playpen, you know. So yes, so you have
to check. And it brings you back to if you
have a team, if you yourself every day you go
to work and you're having a stomach ache, just to
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check in with yourself. If it means this is you know,
one's gonna change, it's not producive to your help, then
you leave and you seek the necessary help that is
going to make you well. We're all here to be well,
you know, and my framework is wellness, and what wellness
spells is a lot of things. You know, we all
need to and we all can be well. You know.
(19:55):
You know that, doctor, you know, well, it's it's the
goal right now.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Pardon have the ability, but you're right, when we work
in an environment that does not allow that. My mentor
doctor Victor Frankel would call that the Sunday neurosis. Right
when you're preparing Sunday night, you know Monday's coming and
you're just all tied up and you feel sick and
angry and grumpy and you don't want to go in
the next day. That's a big queue for burnout, right there.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I have that, But I read a book on that,
because it will tell you my job started works compensation
board and you know, and what someone would do not
to go to work, you know in that you don't
had my experience in you know, Mondays at work, and
there's studies that show their more heart attacks that happen
on a Monday. Sure more suicide unfortunately that happens on
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a Monday. And people you get Friday and you might say,
thank god it's Friday. You go get some beers and
you have a bird time, and then Saturday comes and
you kind of feel a good halfway through Saturday, but
Sunday comes and boy, oh boy. So I have a
book on that. You know that. I'll send you both
books anyway, because you know, you know, doctor Donald like
(21:06):
to leave the burnout book and that book because you
brought it up. I'll send you the link to that
so that your artists can get it for free.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Thanks too, So I do. I'm so curious.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
So when you talk about the Burnout Pie specifically sleep,
because I'm struggling with a lot of people trying to find.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Solutions for better sleep.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
As a certified herbalist, what do you recommend for that?
What are some of the things you recommend for that
slice of the pie to help people their sleepless nights?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Oh as this, Oh my god, there are so many,
you know, and I to speak. I wish I could
take a picture off my one of my cabin. A
whole wall is dedicated to different you know, shoots, to
different teas, and I'm heavily into teas and stuff like that.
And they work on like a layered you know, layered choppy.
(21:54):
So I start off, you know, like you know the
main ones that are good for sleep or like you
know lavendery number one, right, you know, it's one of
the main one for teeth, And you start and I
mix them. I mix them because as long as they're
not conflicting and contradicting with each other, I mix them.
And then before I getting to start doing the remedy,
(22:17):
I make sure that there's nothing physically wrong with me.
You know, uh, my blood pressure, okay, it's my blood sugar. Okay,
it's my heart beating. Right? Is there palpulation in my heart?
Am I getting in that exercise? And you know, and
because I'm not necessarily you know, prone to far pharmaceutical stuff,
I'm not, you know, That's why I'm in the herbalisms
(22:38):
within me from the dead was more. My dad was
a farmer and the minister, so I'm used to growing
my own stuff. And I usually say, you know what,
if someone loves their coffee, yes, by all means, have
your coffee, but cut off the time you have your coffee,
drink your coffee in the morning and enjoy that copany
you know, they're not they're seeing their benefits for that.
I mean, if I wasn't so hyper to begin with,
(22:58):
I love the smell of coffee, I'm too high for
any of a couple of herbal teas throughout the day,
you know, And now you know, you get into start
maybe doing you know, high biscus. You're looking at, you know,
with tea with a little earl gray mixed in it,
so you're getting a little bit of caffeine but not
the job of one there, right, And because I know
(23:19):
huge coffee drinkers don't like decaf coffees, even though they
say the benefits are the same. And you start laying
you don't just say, okay, drink my coffee this morning
at ten am, and then you go to your labbin
the tea in the afternoon. And I don't know what
happens to me. Coffee makes me sleepy.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I've heard that for some people. Yeah, and usually it's
the people that tend to have extra energy and might
be a little hyper. Anyway, the caffeine almost works in reverse.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Yes, I can take it and go to bed, but
you know, so just I'm just scared the one night
I do that, I'll never sleep. So, you know, yeah,
it's got a careful So you start lanning wee. You
merge it into like a high biscus and I like
the the you know, the leaves, and I go to
have like small I buy small batch, you know, from EG,
(24:05):
and I look for the grade they put on there,
the grade of caffeine. So there's somebody who's used to
that pulting caffeine. You look for that way you merge
it into you know, where there's a little bit of
caffeine in there, but it's not going to affect your sleeplessness.
And then in the afternoon you just brew something and
you know, sip it the Japanese no tea sip and
just sip it in whatever. Some people, my former mother
(24:29):
in law used to say to me, I can't believe
you wake up in the morning and drink tea. It
makes me say, why would you drink coffee kind of thing.
But you know I drink strong black teas in the morning,
so I get like our strong green tea and I
get my caffeine. Kid, So you merge it and you
take it down and basically bread the breath is it.
There's a reason why we have breath in our lungs
because it works amazing. You know, I don't put my
(24:52):
foot on bed unless I sit up and do five
deep rats. And I don't lay when I lie down,
I might do ten threats and I just slowly take
myself down. So I combine the herbal remedies with the mindfulness.
And you know, I'm a certified yoga teacher, but I'm
not gonna do yoga at night. And most people are
(25:12):
not used to that, you know, when I want energy
during the day, though, I will do a laugh in yoga,
and I don't care who sees me laughing, because after
laughing for about two minutes, you can laugh yourself to
tears coming down. And that's what I heard.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You mentioned that earlier, and I was going to ask,
but since you brought that up, I don't think I've
ever heard of laughing yoga.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So please tell me more.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
Oh yes, absolutely so laughing yogurts. It's coming me. So
of course everything is you know, eastern where western, so
everything starts there. And you start off basically taking some
deep breaths because your mind it means you take deep breaths.
There's a correlation between the okay, she's ready to do
something now, you know, that's an indication to the body
that something is coming when you stop and mindfully do
(25:58):
by you know, some breaths. Right, So I do that,
and then I might just start chuckling, and then I
probably think of something, you know, a little bit funny,
and then after what I just start, you know, and
it goes in until you actually laugh without any reason
to laugh out loud loud, and you try, doctor, you laugh,
(26:19):
you laugh, You have tears coming down your eyes because
you're laughing that much. Because it realizes and you come
here and go, oh, that was good. I'm gonna have
to give it a try. I'm gonna have to you know,
that does well. And that suggests to me that maybe.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, boy, my audience is gonna gonna flip when they
hear this. Maybe there is some benefit to all of
those videos. Everybody's out there watching and scrolling on their phone.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
They do make us giggle a little bit.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Unfortunately they don't have the benefit of what you just described.
I mean, taking those deep breasts and feeling a true
and honest belly laugh.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yes, can be so healing.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yes, Stoctor, that your mind is a powerful, powerful brain.
You know that. It's how I see you're drinking. Is
your coffee or your tea? You're drinking?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
You know, most of the time sometimes it would be coffee,
but today I don't and I didn't even know you were.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Gonna speak on tea. But it is tea.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I've got a little ginger and some cinnamon and uh
maybe even some green tea going on.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Oh it's not lovely, Oh that I have so many
teapots at home. All kinds. So no, no, it's literally honestly,
you can I don't know. I want to shout it
from the rooftop. I want to shout it to everybody
that will listen, that you know, we are here and
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we are meant and we have the intellect and the
desire to heal ourselves. Back in the days, did people
live to one hundred and twenty thirty forty held long? Yeah,
I can't remember the names of ben right now. My
dad won't be pleased, But.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Well, we saw that the inner healing intelligence right when
it comes to mental health, we all have that ability
within us to heal from burnout, to to you know,
to sort our sleep issues.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Sometimes it takes little help.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It takes help from a trained expert like yourself.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
And it takes and you know, doctor Dan, you do
some great jobs too with you know, your remedies that
you use and and your retreats that you do for people.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
You know, it is.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
It's it's it's a matter of each one helped lun
And you know, people will say to me, you know,
Jasmine or you know, someone say to me, I said,
you know, I got invited to do this podcast. And
the first thing, the person said to me to get paid,
and I go, this is the world we live in nowadays.
You know that, you know when I wake up in
the morning doing what I love and perfect doing what
(29:00):
I love at the end of the day, that opens
up something in me, the universe, everything that out of
the blue, something you know you get rewarded is not
the first thing. You're just happy when somebody gets someone
gets well. And you know a quick and nolan story.
You let me know if I'm going too much. But
back in the world was business. I remember a son
(29:22):
and mother came in and the son came in with
the mother because there was real problem. He said, home
with the husband and the mother, his father and his mother.
And she was probably three hundred pounds overweight. And when
she came in my office, she sat down and I
just said, you know, till the Sunday introduced us. And
I said, to the sudden you know, not that I
(29:43):
don't want you in there, but I just would you
leave for a minute. And what I wanted her to
do because she sat down and I could see the
tears well in. I didn't want to hear anything that day.
I made her. I created a safe space, a trust
in space where she could sit and the body recognizes
that this is how we have to think about where
(30:05):
this mischi, where this thing on earth, intelligent thing on
earth that it knows. And I let her sit and
she cried and she cried and she cried and she
cried and she cried, and I didn't see a word.
I just sat there. I didn't doodle on my I
didn't lift up my phone. I just sat there at
my hands in my lap and I just sat and
(30:27):
I let her cry right up to there was no
more tears for her to cry. And I said, you know,
I'm going to ask you to do something for me now.
I want you to go home. I'm not going to
ask you anything today. I'm going to have you go home,
and I want you to come back whichever your schedule
is within this week. Didn't ask about I'm going to
put you on a program. I'm gonna want to give
(30:48):
you this money and it. I just want you to
go home. I created something for her. She told me
later that she's never had she was able to be herself,
get the emotions down, developed trust through me. Know that
there was no nothing else I wanted from her other
than for her to feel well and that was a
(31:10):
big dose of wellness for her. And so when she
came back long story short, we dissected what we needed
to do for her. I said, you're gonna have to
trust me. You're gonna have to follow my lead. And
this is how we're gonna make you know because this
oftentimes is not the husband that much. We dissected why
she was reacting everything in her home that was making
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her unwell. So when she found herself, her voice and
herself and her confidence competed in a bodybuilding competition after
I couldn't shut her down, she was like, WHOA.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
What a beautiful gift to give her that safe place,
that container to share those emotions.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
And you're so right.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
We and especially I think all people right now struggle
to find that safe place, whether it's at home with
their partner or spousor and friendships. We need that, We
need that community, We need that connection.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
We need to be.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Able to have somebody or several people where we can
be our true authentic self and get those emotions out. Wow,
what a beautiful gift you gave that person.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Thank you so much, doctor, Then thank you, thank you,
And like I said, you know it's it's it's my
you know, when each one teach one, each one helped one, right,
And for me, what most people don't understand is at
that time, the universe is funny. I took that whatever,
(32:46):
fifteen to twenty minutes of silence myself, you know, and
I enjoyed that. Because my offices revolve indoor. I enjoyed
that silence as well. And that's why I just let
it be what it is. And then you know, I
see her Sally. Sally said, Sally, I don't know how
(33:07):
to continue anymore. You just a beast. You just you know,
commands is happy again, everybody's happy again. The husband got
a hot looking wife and that's Beau, and that's to
be Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I think you make a good point. I think
we struggle as people to sit in with our own
silence these days, yes, right, we always have to be
entertained by a screen or well usually a screen or
something going on that we don't read books very much anymore,
and we certainly don't sit in Simon Stino personally, in
my recent work, I've I've found the power of that
(33:41):
silence for myself and for others to just allow that
container that there is that inner healing intelligence that we
can tap into. And this woman that you helped so
wonderfully obviously did that through that first session, and I'm
sure through all the other amazing help you provide.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Oh oh absolutely absolutely. And it's you don't understand what
you do at that time until you see the end product, right,
So true, you know, and it's not it wasn't about money,
it wasn't about anything. It was about this people. This
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person need this space and I probably needed that space.
And that's how you go about doing what you need
to do without expectations, then without existation. And I say
that when I go into into a company, you know,
and I tell you I don't. If someone asked me
when I go in to do a presentation, the first
(34:39):
thing they asked me what I charge? I deliberately don't answer.
I do that. I deliberate it. And I've done it
in real estate where I walk into somebody and they said, oh,
you know, I've interviewed three agents and I've gotten them
down to two percent, and you know, what's your commission?
I said, you know, I'm here to do a presentation
for you. I'll do the presentation. We'll address about that time,
(35:00):
and in the end I get my full commission. And
it's the same thing. It's I do you know, So
when you go into an organization and you're saying, you know,
I'm here to help your organization create a wellness culture,
that would you know, foster employee wellbeing, you know, productivity,
cut back on healthcare costs, you know, aid in whateverthing
(35:23):
that spells wellness. And sometimes I ask them what does
wellness mean to them? I'm not coming in here. I
can do that because I teach a mean class. I'm
not coming in here to disrupt your work by having
a big aerobics class in the middle of the day.
You know, I'm here even ergonomics. How your employees sit
(35:47):
at their desk? I said, how they put their hands
on their keyboard, maybe maybe how they're around the space.
So wellness for me is, you know, skill, mastering simple
skills to give big results. That's bottom line. That's my
bottom line with wellness. And I'm educating someone that says
(36:11):
wellness help. When I say health and wellness, it's a
big canvas, you know, And someone might say to me,
what would you want to speak on I sometimes you say, well,
what do you want to speak on because I can
speak from A to B. You know, if you can
say to me, if you just speaking building a business,
I'm still going to put wellness in there with a
(36:31):
lot of sick businesses out yeah, a lot of sick
businesses out there, you know. So I can put wellness
into any basket that you put me to, because if
you're stop tured, if you're a financial guy, if you're
an accountant, if you're that, if you're that, and you know,
these are the people the organization that I get budded most,
(36:55):
you know, because you know they're saying, you know, will
you this girl coming and telling me, you know, I
have you go do this finance thing, and I have
to get this and you know there's a stop that's
going up, and you know, my you know, and I'm
just I'm just taking a little piece. I can't fix
the world, but if I just just a little bit,
just a little bit bit.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Well, I love your idea that when you when you
helped just a little bit, that helps the company to
help me, the company helps the community, the community helps
the world, and just with that little bit, you can
have a big impact.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Thank you so much. Step to Dan, thank you so
I can call it doctor Dan Ray, you.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Can you can call it what did we say earlier?
Speaker 3 (37:32):
As all as you're not custing me out, you can
find me whatever you want yet.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Thanks Jesse, and as you have been an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Thank you so much for taking the time out of
your busy schedule and the cold up there in Canada
to inside to the warm.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And chat with me.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Where can you people find out more about your amazing
work and what you do.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Absolutely, they can go on Jazzyhealth and Wellness dot com.
The website, and because I like your audience to get
a copy of my free book, I'll do the Burnout Book.
I can do the two you know, Happiness Monday, whatever.
But I'll send you the link for those that you
can put in your note and that will dig on
my website that little If you were to go on
(38:15):
my website right now and just to ABC it comes
to me like that, tun it so and so on.
On the website jazz Dyhealth dot and it's you know,
jazz d health is one word, jazz Dyhealth Dot. Then
they can go into LinkedIn. They can find me on LinkedIn,
and I'll see a little bit about LinkedIn because In
my former working with the Hitwy Champion of the World,
(38:35):
everything was so private, private. We weren't on social media anywhere,
so you know, you can you don't want anybody to
find you. You know, you could want little mistake and
you lose a bite. It's so anyway. So now I'm
building my LinkedIn again so you can find me LinkedIn
on Facebook and on YouTube as well jazz d Health there,
(38:56):
I'm doing a training platform there where it's just snippet
off little bits and pieces, whether it's for h R managers,
whether it's for just someone wanted to chuck it just
a little bit. They're not long on workplace health and wellness,
so there are quite a few videos on that as well.
They can go onto the jazz on the YouTube and
get that. So yeah, they can find me anywhere and
(39:16):
you know, reach out to me. And like I said that,
the minute they say the around Doctor Dan Show, I
will tell somehow they can get that book on burnout
and I'll maybe I'll include the one on you know
Monday funny one I look for.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
I can't wait to read it. You heard it?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Everybody check out jazz d jazz d elf dot com,
Yes and connect with Jasmine here again. What a wonderful conversation.
And that's just a small sample of the beautiful work
that you do for the people that bring you in.
So again, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Thank you so much, Doctorvan. I appreciate it, and I
follow you and I listen to you. You know, I
follow your work and I do you know a created
and all that stuff. Well, hope to talk to you
in the future on that. Hey, Andy, sorry, let me
know when you're doing a retreat.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I'll let you know. We'll do a retreat together.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Okay, fantastic. Why would I love that. I'm an awesome
rest of the day. Thank you so much for having
me again.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's a been a pleasure to take care YouTube bye bye.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I tell you I'm did I tell you she had energy.
I'm exhausted after the conversation and we who took the
conversation further afterwards? She had What a great storyteller. She
continued to share some interesting stories with me. But to
find out more about her work to bring her to
your company, corporation, group, or speaking engagement, check out jazzbehealth
(40:46):
dot com and for listeners of the show, I Know
I'm going to check out both of her books. If
there are anything like her storytelling here, they're going to
be fascinating. So that will be in the show notes
or on the YouTube notes. Wherever you listen to this,
read the section that talks about the podcast, and you'll
have that link to go take a look at her books.
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So to find out more about what I'm up to,
you know you can find me at daniel a Franz
dot com. That's d a n i e l A
f r a n z dot com. As always, thank
you for this opportunity to bring some meaning, purpose and
resilience to your day. Take care,
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