September 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Author/former contract air traffic controller Harold Phifer talks about his latest release “My Bully, My Aunt & Her Final Gift” exploring the lasting wounds of an abusive upbringing offering an unfitted look at the chaos that shaped him & the resilience the saved him, and for those raised by mentally ill parents, his story is more than a memoir, it’s a guide to healing! Harold grew up in the 60’s who endured relentless bullying and systematic racism in the South with instability at home with a schizophrenic mother and an abusive aunt, served in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay facing enemy fire and surviving Taliban suicide bombs, and explains how writing became his path to healing & self-acceptance while facing trauma head-on instead of suppressing is the key to breaking free! Check out the amazing Harold Phifer and his latest release at www.riseandread.com today! #haroldphifer #author #contractor #airtrafficcontroller #mybullymyauntandherfinalgift #abuse #bullying #resilence #schizophrenia #iraq #afghanistan #guantanamobay #enemyfire #taliban #healing #selfacceptance #spreaker #iheartradio #spotify #applemusic #youtube #anchorfm #bitchute #rumble #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnerharoldphifer #themikewagnershowharoldphifer
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Samist Today Amazon keyword sweets Samas Serena Wagner. Today we're
here at the amazing author who serves as a contract
air controller in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, facing every
enemy fire and surviving the Taliban suicide bombs. The fan
grew up in the sixties, endured relent bullying, systematic racism,
the South, instability at home with a skiss, the frank Mom,
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an abusive amp and has a new book exploring the
lastly wounds an abusive upbringing off an unffitting look at
the chaos that shaped him and the resilience that saved him.
And the book is called My Boy, My Aunt and
Her Final Gift Live Laces and General plus Studio Somewhere
in Iraq. The Amazing gentleman who's a contract air controller
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in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantana, but Donalba Bay. Great authors who
did surviving chaos. Wonderful story to share the multi time
Harold Fifer, Harold, good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Thanks
for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Hey, thanks, I appreciate it. Glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What it's great to have you on board as well too.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So you serve as a contract air court control in Iraq,
Afghanistan when Tonable Bay faced enemy fire, surviving Taliban suicide bombing.
You grew up in the sixties and during Latin's bullying,
systematic racism in the South, instabilitated at home with a scisso
frank mom an abusive event. You have a new book
that explores the lastly wounds abusive upbringing. You offered an
(02:36):
unfitted look at the chaos that shaped you and the
resilience that saved you as well. In the book is
called My Bully, My Aunt and her Final Gift. And
before getting Ali, Harold tell us how I first got started.
Oh way back way back, machine Sherman, Way back way back.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Uh. I went to college Basbath States State, it's your
state universy city. Four years there and UH left there
fec for a while. Right then I went to jack
and State Jackson, Mississippi, and from there I started my
career as an attract controller with the FAA for the
(03:16):
Aviation Administration people. The people have been the news recently.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, that's right, and I think we've all been aware
of what's going on with the crashes and everything.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And my question is if you ran the FAA, would
you do.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
If I if they ran the fa Yes, actually, uh yeah,
you kind of hate to hear this, but uh they're
doing good. I mean, things kind of happen and you're
not proud of it. And they do a lot of homework,
they do a lot of investigation. They do all they
(03:53):
can to keep it to you know, to none existence.
But you know, like they say Murphys Lowe, some time
you know what.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
It can go wrong, It will go wrong. Yes, but yeah,
someone's happening in America, Belie. It's not getting the news
about the FAA and be on contract air traffic control
like in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. And I guess,
you know, having all the crashes everything often you get
you know, crashes around where we're at Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
We've been lucky. I haven't had anything major, you know,
airplane a breakdown or something, but we haven't had anything major,
so we've been lucky and if we say knock on wood,
I'm proud of that. You know.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, it sounds like you're doing a really good job
as well too. And you know, graduate at Jackson State
and you also mentioned was it Mississippi State?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
What did you are graduating? I forgot to ask you
on that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's okay. I graduated uh bus administration in the state
and I couldn't find a job right out of it
around eighty two and found a job. Then I went
to Jackson State and got into information system and it
was going well. Almost got a chance to work with
(05:11):
Natural Security Agency and kind of didn't work out, and
then the FAA kind of came and calling, and that
was a good connection. Like I say, I had some
running Like I said, I never had too many racial
running in but you know, just like anybody, your bad conversation,
you know, or or you run into somebody, and I'm
(05:34):
sure people say the same name about me. We read
the hair, bad day or whatever. But nothing that stood
in the way, you know. So you know, went through
the FA hit a spot where I got kind of
complacent and I needed to change, and so a chance
to do contract, so I retired and started a contract
(05:57):
in Afghanistan and after bid go ahead, no, no, go ahead, No.
I was just expanding on how I got into writing
from there. I had a dysfunctional childhood. My mother was
a schizophrenic and it was day to day after day,
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and so it made it hard for me to study
it or whatever because she would always have an episode
in it and they would go maybe from six in
the evening to I don't know, maybe eleven at night.
So I would try to you know, outlimb them or
survive them, and then try and study. Well, you know,
at school, I'd be totally exhausted trying to trying to
(06:42):
study do ma am from eleven to whatever am in
the morning, and you at school, you're exhausted. So uh,
you know, we were poor, and you know, so with
that and the schizophrene, you know, I got bullied a lot,
you know, so I wanted to fit in which was light.
So I never told anybody my story. Once I got
(07:03):
to colleget kind of brother I started getting from home.
I kept trying to bear or trying to hide it.
So I get to uh Afghanistan and it had been
you know, years, because I didn't I didn't want to
I never brought this stuff up, and I can't get
tagged by the Taliban, and the Taliban m was Obama
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plays and you know, I mean even sacrificed himself the
Obama play and whoever was left, they were running and
try to shoot so many people, you know they could
so after I can't get bombed there I was. You know,
I'm still alive. You know I got two eyes, I
can feel my nose and you can hear.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Most importantly, yes, I mean having a bombing like that
can also really erect your ears and PTSD as well too.
So And do you think we're saying like of course,
you know, the whole thing about PTSD was war and
everything like that. You know, how much of it do
you think has effect? Did you or did strong words
to say just brush it off and everything like that,
because I hear about those stories all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Y'all bombings in front of you.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Something get a really bad case, some people get like
average case, some people get small.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Some people liked it's just where it is.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. Immediately after probably about maybe about a month maybe
after I camp got bombed, I met with this restaurant
and in uh Caboul on the base and they had
this night out where the DJ was trying to up
his equipment and he put the prawing in their own
(08:40):
Jack made this loud noise and I just I just
jumped out of my seat. It just just reflect like
like kind of like not a game, right, And then
I had a numble and common one. H that hit
me probably about two years after that, because this this
pitch was happen around about twenty sixteen. So about two
(09:03):
years later, I'm in the mall and all of a sudden,
the lights go out and and this was what happened
when we got bombed. It just every everything went black
and the boom. You know, it's just weird. I remember
going black and in the explosion. So I'm in the
mall and for summery the lights went out and I
was so nervous. I mean, I'm you know, like I
(09:25):
got to get out of here. You know. That's when
I knew PTSD had, you know, had had had caught me.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And of course you also spent some time on Guantanamo Bay,
maybe a bit about the Fenture's way. He talked about Iraq, Afghanistan,
and you do all a bit of time on Gontanamo
Bay as well.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right right, it's kind of straightforward. You know that they
do have the person that you guys heard of. They
don't let you get too close, that's for sure. You know.
That's all like to say about that when you know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Right, the course, you also served as a mercenary as
well too in Afghanistan, but you also left the country.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
He tell us about your time as a mercenary.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, pretty much the same thing. Like I said, I'm
a contractor, which I work with the military, and we
do a lot of it's kind of political, I hate
to say, but we do a lot that they took
away from the military. So that way you could say
the military not here doing work, but we're doing it.
(10:31):
You know, I'm seeing so you know, so it's like,
you know, they pay us, we'll do it. So yeah,
that's how mercenary part. But it's it's good days and
bad days. You know, when you had those incomings of
bombs or or people you know, trying to kill you,
you know that those the bad days, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And of course surviving taliban bombings, you know, is it
is it easier or more difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It's the same as surviving childhood.
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Author hell Fifer of My Bully, My and and her
Final Gift there on the mic wad in her show,
and you talked about your your encounters with Taliban bombings
being up close, but managed you survive with Taliban bombings?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Now was it? It?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Was it easier? Was it just the same or difficult
to survive your own childhood?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
To me, it was easier, Uh, I mean because you know,
as a child you can bullet. You've been ostracized. You
you're never comfortable day to day and like I said,
being in Afghanistan all in a couple of days, you
weren't com you know, So to me that was easier.
I mean, but as a kid, I felt like, you know,
(13:52):
my world was on the line or or you know
that I didn't have much of a life. And that's
how I tell so dealing with the telemanion, yeah it
could have been life ending. But it wasn't consistent though,
and that was and that's the big difference. Like I said,
when I got started to write it, like so, once
we got bombed, I knew I always want want to
(14:15):
be a writer, maybe back to forth eight fourteen. But
then I'm sitting there we got bomb I'm sitting there like, man,
you know, I never wrote that book, and I'm praying
and trying to find my ways back to the safe room,
and I'm like, God, if you let me out of here,
I write that book. So fortunately I made it out
or wrote the book said bout being chaos. I found
piece at the beach.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Bar U sal was in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You wrote it. I kind of had all the materials
since I thought, oh, okay, got how much?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, all right, I was just going to say about
the Taban bombing. At least once your bombed, you have
to worry about name calling or anything like that. So
I kind of thought about it, so I was like, well,
what's your bomb? You have to worry about the name
calling from from those bullies. Their bombs are right, you
have to bully anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So you're right, you're right, so if you know what
to you. My bully and my aunt never found a gift.
After I wrote to bab and K, people asked me
about one of the character which was my aunt, and
said what she liked it? You know, you know, how
did you you know how to bob her? You know
what you know? And I like kind of hit me, Hey,
(15:21):
she deliver a book of her own, so that, you know,
kind of made me get into writing that book. My
bully mine have found a gift now, both of them.
I tried to bring out a lot of the human
allowed the whackies. I didn't want to be so dramatic,
so woe as me. So they're both very funny, and
(15:42):
of course my bully even more humor discussed. I went after,
you know, someone who passed away, you don't want to
beat them up too bad, So I wanted to follow
the wacky and all the humorous moment I had with her,
you know, And they're funny now. But they weren't funny
being with their funny now.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And of course, you know, before you're writing a book,
who's some of your favorite authors and writers our favorite books?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Scoring up, I'll say, al James Patterson. Of course you
like the Stephen King.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I mean, everybody's got to read a Stephen King mile.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
But of course I had the honors of him watching
the Shining a bit of Christine and everything like that,
and having Jack Nicholson and Stephen King Booby you know,
doesn't hurt either too.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
No, it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I mean, and all Stephen King movies, to be honest
with you, he had made more money stelf, you know,
you know, sitting at a Lakers game, So that could
be like a nice uh novel itself. They like, you know,
horrors at watching the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah right, that's kind of where they are today, right right.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, that's a scary novel itself, you know. Unfortunately
it's not the old Clippers arena.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
But we just have that too, okay, So so we
just have all that and the course, you know, of
course a lot of it shaped you more resilient and everything,
and maybe just a bit about what your mom did
to you back in the day and what your aunt
did to you back in the day, and maybe a
(17:13):
thing or two what they did to you and how
do you manage to resolve it and how do you
manage to overcome Maybe people can learn from it.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh wow, uh humor. Humor was one of the big one.
I knew. I knew, you know, if I made it
to college, I felt I would get to be to
reshape myself, recreate myself. And and that was my goal. Hey,
if I could, if I just advited it into college,
(17:42):
you know, and then after that, you know, it was
just an opportunity, after the opportunity whatever got created, put
my best foot forward, you know, trying not to look
behind me and and and like that's what got buried
for years because I wanted to fit in. And one
thing I learned, you know, if you always complain about
(18:02):
your che an el or how you've been treated or whatever,
or people may listen to make it simply, but they
won't invite you to the parties. They're like, you might
want to kind of squaw something that you know, and
that's what.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, exactly, don't bring your problems to a party or rights.
So yeah, it's like okay, Okay, now let's move on.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So we just have that.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
But of course, unlike most people who you know, suppress
the trauma and all that puts aside, either they drink
drugs or whatever it is, you manage to face it
head on and suppressing it. And you know, what was
the key elements that face a head on and if
somebody's having the trauma will be the best advice for
you to someone face a trauma head on?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh well, no doubt, get counseling. But look at your
small excess. If I mean there's something you did, something
you do well, somebody that does like you, you know,
lean towards that and build on it. You know, hey,
I got past this moment okay before I or I
overcome something or I succeeded at something. Build on that. Well, okay,
(19:08):
I can do it again. Okay, you know, just keep
building and building from that and the eventure you'll walk
your way out of most traumas.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I think, and I think so as well too. Maybe
just a bit or two about a TRAUMAA face as
well too, like a particular one if you like or
it is it's like maybe one or two. It's like
what you encountered and how do you manage to overcome
you know, maybe just a couple of things are kind
of just you know, you know, just shape. It's like,
(19:35):
you know, maybe talk about a trauma or too. It's like,
how did you manage to overcome it? Maybe people can
learn from it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Right, right right? And you know, like I said, things happen,
and as a kid, I learned, you know, hey, go
ahead and cry whatever, you know, it's not gonna fix.
Going to get it out and then think of a
way forward. Well, as an adult, you gotta look at it. Okay,
you're gonna have your moment. You're gonna do that. You're
gonna beat yourself up, and after that, start trying to
(20:03):
find a solution. You know, people you can talk to,
you know, anyone you can reach out, you know, just
start trying to you know, move your way forward.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And I think that's important as well too. And of
course you know there's ways to overcome bullying. And how'd
you manage to overcome your mother? And also your aunts
as well?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh I got away from my aunt my mom it
just like I said, didn't get away onto college. My
aunt she was a challenge, but I just started to distance,
I said, but you know, growing up, you know, without
a father and everything. So you I thought so much
of her, but I didn't see the oakie dope until
(20:45):
I was about eleven. I started to see, Yeah, she
don't love you as much as you think, Carol, you know, right,
So I started to distance myself and then I share
a story with you know what made it happen even faster.
I was about eighteen, and me and my older brother
got into it, and he should always beat me up
when I said younger, and so I would go tell
(21:07):
my aunt and she would, you know, patch me up,
whatever you give me a band aid or whatever, send
me back home. So after all those years, I was
about eighteen and my brother, he and I gets into
it and I get the better of him. So he
tells my mind about it. Right well, I never disrespected
my aunt, never never talked back, never looked down she's
(21:28):
talking to me, never talked down to my brow, never
rolled my eyes, never basically did offtenly what she told
me to do. So she come to and my brother defense,
she'd come to see me and she tells me, you know, hey,
this be'll not happened again. And then she showed me
her thirty eight pistol, and I was like, oh, I've
(21:50):
never been Just why the first time you say admonished
me you gotta have a gun, Not like I'm beating
up folks in the house or beating up folks in
the trade, or that blew me away. That really pushed
me further further away from her.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Oh with a gun, I see, okay, so yeah, so
so people have encountered that.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And what are some tips, some some advice for those
whoever schizophrenic parent or or having like an abuse of
a parent. You know, what are some of tips advice
unhandling someone that's his schizophrenial or even abuse.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You gotta tread it lightly, uh, try to be someone
understanding that they are in a state that you know,
you really can't you really can't do anything. Because even
when I tried to challenge my mom once I talked
about in the book for bob Ka, you know, you know,
I kind of like, hey, what are you doing disturbing me?
(22:50):
And you know you need to cut this out. She
didn't say anything, but once I came out of the bathroom,
she blinds at me and hit me with a assault
with one of those huh oh yeah, it kind of
split my thigh open. And I learned from that, you know,
shut my mouth, just let her do the thing, the bullying.
(23:15):
I don't encourage people to do what I did. This
an episode where I talked about it in the in
the book that I'm be Chao, where IF threw a
urine on this guy and I was that kind of kid.
I mean I knew, I mean he was like fourteen fifteen.
I was like, dang, I knew he was gonna beat
(23:35):
me up, but but that moment he was gonna he
was gonna get the humiliation. So I mean, he caught me,
beat me up. I'm not proud of it, but he
never messed with me after that. He learned that, hey,
this kid might try to stand up to me. You know,
I don't care. I don't encourage kids to do go
(23:55):
that drastic, but it it pushed some people.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Away that wanted right exactly too.
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Speaker 3 (26:08):
Hey, Hey, this is Raye Howers and boy are you
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Right time? Tuned into the Mike Wagner Show.
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You heard me? Went back on auth there hell five
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My and and Her Final Gift and one of the
books you had on. So if I've been chaos, I
find peace at a beach bar. Tell us more about that.
A peace bar finding piece there.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I wish I could at times.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So it was kind of coincidental. After the bombing, I
went to Thailand and I rent it to this banker.
He was their own vacation. It was at this bar,
uh yeah, my named Dylan, and he prodded me, you
know about my life. You know, I'm sitting there just
(26:57):
in my own world. And Dylan had been there, I guess,
in his own work for a couple of days and
gosh yeah yeah. So and then he'd come by, start
buying me drink, start the conversation, and I started telling
the stories you know, about my life, and so that
that's how how I found Peak of the Beach Park. Dylan.
(27:18):
He brought it all out. I mean he's askeding about
uh this Afghanistan, you know, asked me about my childhood. Uh,
you know, asked me about the Taliban. And yeah, he
used to guy to actually pull it all out.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh wow, Okay, maybe think of Margaret Rievel when I
saw the Surviving Past book and made me think of
it except being wasted away.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So we had a good time and talked a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But you had some some challenges as well too, and
how he managed overcoming right.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
In the front, right right one of the writing about
my mom got to be hard, and you know I
would have to take days of time, you know, you know,
to digest and you know, get fortitude to go forward.
She passed in twenty seventeen. I released her book first
(28:13):
around about twenty eighteen. So after she passed, I felt
myself looking at those walls, and because she wouldn't gut
the wall, she would fight with the wall. She'd cuss
at the wall, suld beat it on the wall. And
so after she passed, I'm sitting there looking at the walls,
like did the walls win or did she win by
(28:36):
leaving them? You know? It was spooky, very earie.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, really walls winning or her winning I've never heard
of that.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, I mean she she had these battles, you know,
it was ongoing. So once she's no longer there, you're like, Okay,
who won this? You know? Or did she take her
demons with her?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It was it was that was eating at me, and
you know, it was hard to write past that, but
I had to go on because I wanted to tell
the story.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Of course, you know, two more in the South as well, too,
grew up of racism and everything, Martin Luther King and
all that. And of course you all, you know, being
bullying school and everything. Were they aware that you had
a schizophrenic mom and abusive.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And or was that just like kept on the covers?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh yeah they knew? Oh god, the you Yeah they knew. Yeah. Yeah,
I got a weird story for you. When our school integrated, Sure,
I just functioned. I was our school integrated. All the
white kids came down of school school who called mitchmon
(29:46):
Moore Elementary, and it was this white kid would kiss
his mom every day when you know, when you got
a car about fifth sixth grade. It was so weird
to me that because I never kissed my mom blew.
I mean I would watch this guy and envy.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you know, I was a kissing mom goodbye bye,
I love you.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, yes, I wasn't used to that. And it was
the weirdest thing to me. Yeah, yeah, it's something I
my kissing the kissed me goodbye all the time. But
I cherished take him to school.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
When, you know, or some people like that bye, we
love you.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Kids, I know it just like that guy left an
impression on me to this day, you know, I mean him,
him and his mom and we became best to buts
and what was weird though. I would go visit them
and uh, we'll do a homework whatever and uh and
so his mother in the friend tried to come to
(31:03):
see me and because we didn't live that part part
and my mom ran the moll and it broke me
in a lot. I mean I was broken. I was embarrassed,
but mostly broken because after that we were never as
buddy as we were before. And you know, just mom
(31:26):
being mom.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
You know, so your mom pretty much broke up that friendship, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
She broke with a bunch of friends. She broke with
a bunch of them. Yeah, that was one for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Boy. That is sad, right, there is it's really sad.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, and I think that's the cash right there too.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And in fact, you also Mad to be Sweet, sleep
walking off Afghanistan, walking all back and tell us more
about that book.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, that was the original and and it's not as
uh say, as wacky or humans at saviving kao Savibancass
is a combination of two book. That's another book I
wrote called The Bicycle, which was more about my mom.
So I just morphed the two books and created Surviving Chaos.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Okay, so that's kind of combined all together. And where
can you find all your books at air on the
what's your website?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah? You definitely find them all on Amazon dot com. Uh,
Surviving Chaos, a half Found Piece at the Beach bar
uh and My Ladies, My Bully, my Aunt and a
Final Gift on Amazon dot com. Or you can go
to book Baby, Book Baby Bookshop. They got it there,
Barns and Noble, all the book houses have it. My website,
(32:43):
Rise and Read dot com, Uh like get up Rise
and Read dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Is that your own company? Rising readers at and affiliate
with a bunch of other authors.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
No, it's my own I write under a pen name
pen name named Dean Con I write picture under that,
So I try to separate kind of the two genre
and my non fictions on the Herald Pipe.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
As Harold five for dot Com Okay, no, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Sorry, just on the website. I kind of stood them
up on the.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Website, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Okay, We'll make sure everybody go to Rise and read
dot com for all the great books were there, amazing
multitalent author Harold five for My Bully, My Aunt and
her Final Gift on Mike Writers Show, just a few
more things, Harold, what else can expect me? Twenty twenty
five and beyond?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh more of My Bully Mind and her Final Gift.
There's a book I'm just trying to reshape. I wrote
about being a contract, all the weird stuff that they do.
I get a short insight. You know, we lived in
complex at kind of right off the base, and so
(33:52):
we weren't supposed to really mess with the Afghan kid.
But you kind of couldn't help it because they were
always there. They're always around, go to work. You know,
they mob and you they won't anything right. So I
got to know a couple and there was two one
like about ten years old. His names like Abdul and
so I come out of out of the complex one
(34:13):
day and his feet are coming out of his shoes.
He's like middle of July. So I'm giving him a
hard time. Hey man, what are you wining? Is this hot?
You need? You need shoes? He said, I don't have anything.
That's all I got. So I go across to the base,
I buy shoes, come back for him and his friend,
and so, you know, fast forward about two weeks later,
(34:33):
I come out, I see him again. He got those
same racking shoes. Beat coming out, I said, what happened?
You know, I'm I'm really getting on. What happened to
these shoes? I got? You? You know, what are you doing?
He go, shoes a finish? I said what he said,
shoes a finish? He sold the shoes I bought for
(34:54):
money and put back back on directly one. So you
know that hit me, you know how you know how
grave it is for them. And another thing like that,
we have tons and tons of water, you know, lying
around would get water, taking the camp take you know,
whatever take to work, and so we would give them
(35:15):
water time to time, you know, you know, just just
to get just to get rid of We'll give them
a packet of water. Well the next day they'd be
trying to fill that same water back to you.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Really, so it's like they're trying to get money for
themselves or something. And have you found out what do
they use the money for?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, a lot of them didn't go to school, so
they would whatever they could get, take take home whatever,
you know, good money, hopefully money, you know, they would
take home to the folks. And and that's when it
hit me that, Man, I didn't get bored at all,
you know, m hmm.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Just simply fortunes. Some people just had it worse. So
I can see where that's coming from. I think we
all need a big career for on that. And also
just a couple of things here. Who you considered biggest
influence in the career.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Oh wow, huh. I would say my my boy scout, uh,
my dead master. I've had some great coaches.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I didn't I didn't play sport, but I would say
I'll say equipment manager. They were good influences. I love sports.
I have to say Muhammad Ali big Ali. Uh love
author ash yeah yeah yeah, even even met met Archie
(36:39):
Manny when I was about eleven teen, long before anybody
new kids, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Mm hmmm, the ultimate quarterback himself on a proper team.
Got to say that and two great kids a legacy
right there. And what's the best advice you can give
the aim.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
By this point, oh even yourself. And like they said,
hard time gonna come. Just know they're not gonna laugh,
you know, especially if you keep putting your best foot
forward there. You know you're a vib You'll get past.
It may not be the way you want it to
turn out in the end, but it'll be better than
(37:17):
it was.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
And I think that's a great idea as well.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Here's amazing about the talent author Harold Piffer, My Bully
My and or final gift there on Mike Waders Show. Harold,
very big, thanks for telling me about as fantastic, learned
a lot looking forward having soon keeps up today, keep
in touch, laugh at you back. And what's your website?
How do people contact you? Whoring people purchase or check
out your books?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Sure, I like, said Amazon dot com. And eventually you
would be to buy my books on my website right now,
maybe about a month in that, but right now go
to Amazon Amazon dot com get the book ebook. I
don't think the hardcover that, but the the audiobook is
there as well.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Okay, and what's your website.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Rajanread dot com.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
We want Airby to go to that website right now.
Once again, Herod, very big thanks you gotving, Ben Apps amazing,
looking for him soon, keeps up, they keep in touch,
lave av me back, We wish I'll best and Harold
you definitely have a great future.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Hey, thank you.
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Harold Fifer, Harold, good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Thanks
for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Hey, thanks, I appreciate it. Glad to be here.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What it's great to have you on board as well too.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So you serve as a contract air court control in Iraq,
Afghanistan when Tonable Bay faced enemy fire, surviving Taliban suicide bombing.
You grew up in the sixties and during Latin's bullying,
systematic racism in the South, instabilitated at home with a scisso
frank mom an abusive event. You have a new book
that explores the lastly wounds abusive upbringing. You offered an
(02:36):
unfitted look at the chaos that shaped you and the
resilience that saved you as well. In the book is
called My Bully, My Aunt and her Final Gift. And
before getting Ali, Harold tell us how I first got started.
Oh way back way back, machine Sherman, Way back way back.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Uh. I went to college Basbath States State, it's your
state universy city. Four years there and UH left there
fec for a while. Right then I went to jack
and State Jackson, Mississippi, and from there I started my
career as an attract controller with the FAA for the
(03:16):
Aviation Administration people. The people have been the news recently.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yes, that's right, and I think we've all been aware
of what's going on with the crashes and everything.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
And my question is if you ran the FAA, would
you do.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
If I if they ran the fa Yes, actually, uh yeah,
you kind of hate to hear this, but uh they're
doing good. I mean, things kind of happen and you're
not proud of it. And they do a lot of homework,
they do a lot of investigation. They do all they
(03:53):
can to keep it to you know, to none existence.
But you know, like they say Murphys Lowe, some time
you know what.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
It can go wrong, It will go wrong. Yes, but yeah,
someone's happening in America, Belie. It's not getting the news
about the FAA and be on contract air traffic control
like in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. And I guess,
you know, having all the crashes everything often you get
you know, crashes around where we're at Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
We've been lucky. I haven't had anything major, you know,
airplane a breakdown or something, but we haven't had anything major,
so we've been lucky and if we say knock on wood,
I'm proud of that. You know.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, it sounds like you're doing a really good job
as well too. And you know, graduate at Jackson State
and you also mentioned was it Mississippi State?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
What did you are graduating? I forgot to ask you
on that.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
That's okay. I graduated uh bus administration in the state
and I couldn't find a job right out of it
around eighty two and found a job. Then I went
to Jackson State and got into information system and it
was going well. Almost got a chance to work with
(05:11):
Natural Security Agency and kind of didn't work out, and
then the FAA kind of came and calling, and that
was a good connection. Like I say, I had some
running Like I said, I never had too many racial
running in but you know, just like anybody, your bad conversation,
you know, or or you run into somebody, and I'm
(05:34):
sure people say the same name about me. We read
the hair, bad day or whatever. But nothing that stood
in the way, you know. So you know, went through
the FA hit a spot where I got kind of
complacent and I needed to change, and so a chance
to do contract, so I retired and started a contract
(05:57):
in Afghanistan and after bid go ahead, no, no, go ahead, No.
I was just expanding on how I got into writing
from there. I had a dysfunctional childhood. My mother was
a schizophrenic and it was day to day after day,
(06:21):
and so it made it hard for me to study
it or whatever because she would always have an episode
in it and they would go maybe from six in
the evening to I don't know, maybe eleven at night.
So I would try to you know, outlimb them or
survive them, and then try and study. Well, you know,
at school, I'd be totally exhausted trying to trying to
(06:42):
study do ma am from eleven to whatever am in
the morning, and you at school, you're exhausted. So uh,
you know, we were poor, and you know, so with
that and the schizophrene, you know, I got bullied a lot,
you know, so I wanted to fit in which was light.
So I never told anybody my story. Once I got
(07:03):
to colleget kind of brother I started getting from home.
I kept trying to bear or trying to hide it.
So I get to uh Afghanistan and it had been
you know, years, because I didn't I didn't want to
I never brought this stuff up, and I can't get
tagged by the Taliban, and the Taliban m was Obama
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plays and you know, I mean even sacrificed himself the
Obama play and whoever was left, they were running and
try to shoot so many people, you know they could
so after I can't get bombed there I was. You know,
I'm still alive. You know I got two eyes, I
can feel my nose and you can hear.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Most importantly, yes, I mean having a bombing like that
can also really erect your ears and PTSD as well too.
So And do you think we're saying like of course,
you know, the whole thing about PTSD was war and
everything like that. You know, how much of it do
you think has effect? Did you or did strong words
to say just brush it off and everything like that,
because I hear about those stories all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Y'all bombings in front of you.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Something get a really bad case, some people get like
average case, some people get small.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Some people liked it's just where it is.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. Immediately after probably about maybe about a month maybe
after I camp got bombed, I met with this restaurant
and in uh Caboul on the base and they had
this night out where the DJ was trying to up
his equipment and he put the prawing in their own
(08:40):
Jack made this loud noise and I just I just
jumped out of my seat. It just just reflect like
like kind of like not a game, right, And then
I had a numble and common one. H that hit
me probably about two years after that, because this this
pitch was happen around about twenty sixteen. So about two
(09:03):
years later, I'm in the mall and all of a sudden,
the lights go out and and this was what happened
when we got bombed. It just every everything went black
and the boom. You know, it's just weird. I remember
going black and in the explosion. So I'm in the
mall and for summery the lights went out and I
was so nervous. I mean, I'm you know, like I
(09:25):
got to get out of here. You know. That's when
I knew PTSD had, you know, had had had caught me.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
And of course you also spent some time on Guantanamo Bay,
maybe a bit about the Fenture's way. He talked about Iraq, Afghanistan,
and you do all a bit of time on Gontanamo
Bay as well.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Right right, it's kind of straightforward. You know that they
do have the person that you guys heard of. They
don't let you get too close, that's for sure. You know.
That's all like to say about that when you know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Right, the course, you also served as a mercenary as
well too in Afghanistan, but you also left the country.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
He tell us about your time as a mercenary.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well, pretty much the same thing. Like I said, I'm
a contractor, which I work with the military, and we
do a lot of it's kind of political, I hate
to say, but we do a lot that they took
away from the military. So that way you could say
the military not here doing work, but we're doing it.
(10:31):
You know, I'm seeing so you know, so it's like,
you know, they pay us, we'll do it. So yeah,
that's how mercenary part. But it's it's good days and
bad days. You know, when you had those incomings of
bombs or or people you know, trying to kill you,
you know that those the bad days, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Right exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
And of course surviving taliban bombings, you know, is it
is it easier or more difficult.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It's the same as surviving childhood.
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Speaker 3 (13:08):
We're Here's amazing.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Author hell Fifer of My Bully, My and and her
Final Gift there on the mic wad in her show,
and you talked about your your encounters with Taliban bombings
being up close, but managed you survive with Taliban bombings?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Now was it? It?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Was it easier? Was it just the same or difficult
to survive your own childhood?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
To me, it was easier, Uh, I mean because you know,
as a child you can bullet. You've been ostracized. You
you're never comfortable day to day and like I said,
being in Afghanistan all in a couple of days, you
weren't com you know, So to me that was easier.
I mean, but as a kid, I felt like, you know,
(13:52):
my world was on the line or or you know
that I didn't have much of a life. And that's
how I tell so dealing with the telemanion, yeah it
could have been life ending. But it wasn't consistent though,
and that was and that's the big difference. Like I said,
when I got started to write it, like so, once
we got bombed, I knew I always want want to
(14:15):
be a writer, maybe back to forth eight fourteen. But
then I'm sitting there we got bomb I'm sitting there like, man,
you know, I never wrote that book, and I'm praying
and trying to find my ways back to the safe room,
and I'm like, God, if you let me out of here,
I write that book. So fortunately I made it out
or wrote the book said bout being chaos. I found
piece at the beach.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Bar U sal was in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
You wrote it. I kind of had all the materials
since I thought, oh, okay, got how much?
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, all right, I was just going to say about
the Taban bombing. At least once your bombed, you have
to worry about name calling or anything like that. So
I kind of thought about it, so I was like, well,
what's your bomb? You have to worry about the name
calling from from those bullies. Their bombs are right, you
have to bully anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So you're right, you're right, so if you know what
to you. My bully and my aunt never found a gift.
After I wrote to bab and K, people asked me
about one of the character which was my aunt, and
said what she liked it? You know, you know, how
did you you know how to bob her? You know
what you know? And I like kind of hit me, Hey,
(15:21):
she deliver a book of her own, so that, you know,
kind of made me get into writing that book. My
bully mine have found a gift now, both of them.
I tried to bring out a lot of the human
allowed the whackies. I didn't want to be so dramatic,
so woe as me. So they're both very funny, and
(15:42):
of course my bully even more humor discussed. I went after,
you know, someone who passed away, you don't want to
beat them up too bad, So I wanted to follow
the wacky and all the humorous moment I had with her,
you know, And they're funny now. But they weren't funny
being with their funny now.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And of course, you know, before you're writing a book,
who's some of your favorite authors and writers our favorite books?
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Scoring up, I'll say, al James Patterson. Of course you
like the Stephen King.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I mean, everybody's got to read a Stephen King mile.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
But of course I had the honors of him watching
the Shining a bit of Christine and everything like that,
and having Jack Nicholson and Stephen King Booby you know,
doesn't hurt either too.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
No, it doesn't hurt.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I mean, and all Stephen King movies, to be honest
with you, he had made more money stelf, you know,
you know, sitting at a Lakers game, So that could
be like a nice uh novel itself. They like, you know,
horrors at watching the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah right, that's kind of where they are today, right right.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
I mean, that's a scary novel itself, you know. Unfortunately
it's not the old Clippers arena.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
But we just have that too, okay, So so we
just have all that and the course, you know, of
course a lot of it shaped you more resilient and everything,
and maybe just a bit about what your mom did
to you back in the day and what your aunt
did to you back in the day, and maybe a
(17:13):
thing or two what they did to you and how
do you manage to resolve it and how do you
manage to overcome Maybe people can learn from it.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Oh wow, uh humor. Humor was one of the big one.
I knew. I knew, you know, if I made it
to college, I felt I would get to be to
reshape myself, recreate myself. And and that was my goal. Hey,
if I could, if I just advited it into college,
(17:42):
you know, and then after that, you know, it was
just an opportunity, after the opportunity whatever got created, put
my best foot forward, you know, trying not to look
behind me and and and like that's what got buried
for years because I wanted to fit in. And one
thing I learned, you know, if you always complain about
(18:02):
your che an el or how you've been treated or whatever,
or people may listen to make it simply, but they
won't invite you to the parties. They're like, you might
want to kind of squaw something that you know, and
that's what.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Yeah, exactly, don't bring your problems to a party or rights.
So yeah, it's like okay, Okay, now let's move on.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So we just have that.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
But of course, unlike most people who you know, suppress
the trauma and all that puts aside, either they drink
drugs or whatever it is, you manage to face it
head on and suppressing it. And you know, what was
the key elements that face a head on and if
somebody's having the trauma will be the best advice for
you to someone face a trauma head on?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh well, no doubt, get counseling. But look at your
small excess. If I mean there's something you did, something
you do well, somebody that does like you, you know,
lean towards that and build on it. You know, hey,
I got past this moment okay before I or I
overcome something or I succeeded at something. Build on that. Well, okay,
(19:08):
I can do it again. Okay, you know, just keep
building and building from that and the eventure you'll walk
your way out of most traumas.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I think, and I think so as well too. Maybe
just a bit or two about a TRAUMAA face as
well too, like a particular one if you like or
it is it's like maybe one or two. It's like
what you encountered and how do you manage to overcome
you know, maybe just a couple of things are kind
of just you know, you know, just shape. It's like,
(19:35):
you know, maybe talk about a trauma or too. It's like,
how did you manage to overcome it? Maybe people can
learn from it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Right, right right? And you know, like I said, things happen,
and as a kid, I learned, you know, hey, go
ahead and cry whatever, you know, it's not gonna fix.
Going to get it out and then think of a
way forward. Well, as an adult, you gotta look at it. Okay,
you're gonna have your moment. You're gonna do that. You're
gonna beat yourself up, and after that, start trying to
(20:03):
find a solution. You know, people you can talk to,
you know, anyone you can reach out, you know, just
start trying to you know, move your way forward.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
And I think that's important as well too. And of
course you know there's ways to overcome bullying. And how'd
you manage to overcome your mother? And also your aunts
as well?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Oh I got away from my aunt my mom it
just like I said, didn't get away onto college. My
aunt she was a challenge, but I just started to distance,
I said, but you know, growing up, you know, without
a father and everything. So you I thought so much
of her, but I didn't see the oakie dope until
(20:45):
I was about eleven. I started to see, Yeah, she
don't love you as much as you think, Carol, you know, right,
So I started to distance myself and then I share
a story with you know what made it happen even faster.
I was about eighteen, and me and my older brother
got into it, and he should always beat me up
when I said younger, and so I would go tell
(21:07):
my aunt and she would, you know, patch me up,
whatever you give me a band aid or whatever, send
me back home. So after all those years, I was
about eighteen and my brother, he and I gets into
it and I get the better of him. So he
tells my mind about it. Right well, I never disrespected
my aunt, never never talked back, never looked down she's
(21:28):
talking to me, never talked down to my brow, never
rolled my eyes, never basically did offtenly what she told
me to do. So she come to and my brother defense,
she'd come to see me and she tells me, you know, hey,
this be'll not happened again. And then she showed me
her thirty eight pistol, and I was like, oh, I've
(21:50):
never been Just why the first time you say admonished
me you gotta have a gun, Not like I'm beating
up folks in the house or beating up folks in
the trade, or that blew me away. That really pushed
me further further away from her.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Oh with a gun, I see, okay, so yeah, so
so people have encountered that.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And what are some tips, some some advice for those
whoever schizophrenic parent or or having like an abuse of
a parent. You know, what are some of tips advice
unhandling someone that's his schizophrenial or even abuse.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You gotta tread it lightly, uh, try to be someone
understanding that they are in a state that you know,
you really can't you really can't do anything. Because even
when I tried to challenge my mom once I talked
about in the book for bob Ka, you know, you know,
I kind of like, hey, what are you doing disturbing me?
(22:50):
And you know you need to cut this out. She
didn't say anything, but once I came out of the bathroom,
she blinds at me and hit me with a assault
with one of those huh oh yeah, it kind of
split my thigh open. And I learned from that, you know,
shut my mouth, just let her do the thing, the bullying.
(23:15):
I don't encourage people to do what I did. This
an episode where I talked about it in the in
the book that I'm be Chao, where IF threw a
urine on this guy and I was that kind of kid.
I mean I knew, I mean he was like fourteen fifteen.
I was like, dang, I knew he was gonna beat
(23:35):
me up, but but that moment he was gonna he
was gonna get the humiliation. So I mean, he caught me,
beat me up. I'm not proud of it, but he
never messed with me after that. He learned that, hey,
this kid might try to stand up to me. You know,
I don't care. I don't encourage kids to do go
(23:55):
that drastic, but it it pushed some people.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Away that wanted right exactly too.
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Speaker 3 (26:08):
Hey, Hey, this is Raye Howers and boy are you
in luck? Right place?
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Speaker 4 (26:16):
You heard me? Went back on auth there hell five
for a hare to Mike Wayner Show of My Boy,
My and and Her Final Gift and one of the
books you had on. So if I've been chaos, I
find peace at a beach bar. Tell us more about that.
A peace bar finding piece there.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I wish I could at times.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
So it was kind of coincidental. After the bombing, I
went to Thailand and I rent it to this banker.
He was their own vacation. It was at this bar,
uh yeah, my named Dylan, and he prodded me, you
know about my life. You know, I'm sitting there just
(26:57):
in my own world. And Dylan had been there, I guess,
in his own work for a couple of days and
gosh yeah yeah. So and then he'd come by, start
buying me drink, start the conversation, and I started telling
the stories you know, about my life, and so that
that's how how I found Peak of the Beach Park. Dylan.
(27:18):
He brought it all out. I mean he's askeding about
uh this Afghanistan, you know, asked me about my childhood. Uh,
you know, asked me about the Taliban. And yeah, he
used to guy to actually pull it all out.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Oh wow, Okay, maybe think of Margaret Rievel when I
saw the Surviving Past book and made me think of
it except being wasted away.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
So we had a good time and talked a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But you had some some challenges as well too, and
how he managed overcoming right.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
In the front, right right one of the writing about
my mom got to be hard, and you know I
would have to take days of time, you know, you know,
to digest and you know, get fortitude to go forward.
She passed in twenty seventeen. I released her book first
(28:13):
around about twenty eighteen. So after she passed, I felt
myself looking at those walls, and because she wouldn't gut
the wall, she would fight with the wall. She'd cuss
at the wall, suld beat it on the wall. And
so after she passed, I'm sitting there looking at the walls,
like did the walls win or did she win by
(28:36):
leaving them? You know? It was spooky, very earie.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, really walls winning or her winning I've never heard
of that.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, I mean she she had these battles, you know,
it was ongoing. So once she's no longer there, you're like, Okay,
who won this? You know? Or did she take her
demons with her?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
You know?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It was it was that was eating at me, and
you know, it was hard to write past that, but
I had to go on because I wanted to tell
the story.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Of course, you know, two more in the South as well, too,
grew up of racism and everything, Martin Luther King and
all that. And of course you all, you know, being
bullying school and everything. Were they aware that you had
a schizophrenic mom and abusive.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
And or was that just like kept on the covers?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh yeah they knew? Oh god, the you Yeah they knew. Yeah. Yeah,
I got a weird story for you. When our school integrated, Sure,
I just functioned. I was our school integrated. All the
white kids came down of school school who called mitchmon
(29:46):
Moore Elementary, and it was this white kid would kiss
his mom every day when you know, when you got
a car about fifth sixth grade. It was so weird
to me that because I never kissed my mom blew.
I mean I would watch this guy and envy.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
And you know, I was a kissing mom goodbye bye,
I love you.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, yes, I wasn't used to that. And it was
the weirdest thing to me. Yeah, yeah, it's something I
my kissing the kissed me goodbye all the time. But
I cherished take him to school.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
When, you know, or some people like that bye, we
love you.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Kids, I know it just like that guy left an
impression on me to this day, you know, I mean him,
him and his mom and we became best to buts
and what was weird though. I would go visit them
and uh, we'll do a homework whatever and uh and
so his mother in the friend tried to come to
(31:03):
see me and because we didn't live that part part
and my mom ran the moll and it broke me
in a lot. I mean I was broken. I was embarrassed,
but mostly broken because after that we were never as
buddy as we were before. And you know, just mom
(31:26):
being mom.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
You know, so your mom pretty much broke up that friendship, right, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
She broke with a bunch of friends. She broke with
a bunch of them. Yeah, that was one for sure.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Boy. That is sad, right, there is it's really sad.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Yeah, and I think that's the cash right there too.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And in fact, you also Mad to be Sweet, sleep
walking off Afghanistan, walking all back and tell us more
about that book.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, that was the original and and it's not as
uh say, as wacky or humans at saviving kao Savibancass
is a combination of two book. That's another book I
wrote called The Bicycle, which was more about my mom.
So I just morphed the two books and created Surviving Chaos.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Okay, so that's kind of combined all together. And where
can you find all your books at air on the
what's your website?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah? You definitely find them all on Amazon dot com. Uh,
Surviving Chaos, a half Found Piece at the Beach bar
uh and My Ladies, My Bully, my Aunt and a
Final Gift on Amazon dot com. Or you can go
to book Baby, Book Baby Bookshop. They got it there,
Barns and Noble, all the book houses have it. My website,
(32:43):
Rise and Read dot com, Uh like get up Rise
and Read dot com.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Is that your own company? Rising readers at and affiliate
with a bunch of other authors.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
No, it's my own I write under a pen name
pen name named Dean Con I write picture under that,
So I try to separate kind of the two genre
and my non fictions on the Herald Pipe.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
As Harold five for dot Com Okay, no, I'm.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Sorry, just on the website. I kind of stood them
up on the.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Website, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Okay, We'll make sure everybody go to Rise and read
dot com for all the great books were there, amazing
multitalent author Harold five for My Bully, My Aunt and
her Final Gift on Mike Writers Show, just a few
more things, Harold, what else can expect me? Twenty twenty
five and beyond?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh more of My Bully Mind and her Final Gift.
There's a book I'm just trying to reshape. I wrote
about being a contract, all the weird stuff that they do.
I get a short insight. You know, we lived in
complex at kind of right off the base, and so
(33:52):
we weren't supposed to really mess with the Afghan kid.
But you kind of couldn't help it because they were
always there. They're always around, go to work. You know,
they mob and you they won't anything right. So I
got to know a couple and there was two one
like about ten years old. His names like Abdul and
so I come out of out of the complex one
(34:13):
day and his feet are coming out of his shoes.
He's like middle of July. So I'm giving him a
hard time. Hey man, what are you wining? Is this hot?
You need? You need shoes? He said, I don't have anything.
That's all I got. So I go across to the base,
I buy shoes, come back for him and his friend,
and so, you know, fast forward about two weeks later,
(34:33):
I come out, I see him again. He got those
same racking shoes. Beat coming out, I said, what happened?
You know, I'm I'm really getting on. What happened to
these shoes? I got? You? You know, what are you doing?
He go, shoes a finish? I said what he said,
shoes a finish? He sold the shoes I bought for
(34:54):
money and put back back on directly one. So you
know that hit me, you know how you know how
grave it is for them. And another thing like that,
we have tons and tons of water, you know, lying
around would get water, taking the camp take you know,
whatever take to work, and so we would give them
(35:15):
water time to time, you know, you know, just just
to get just to get rid of We'll give them
a packet of water. Well the next day they'd be
trying to fill that same water back to you.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Really, so it's like they're trying to get money for
themselves or something. And have you found out what do
they use the money for?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Well, a lot of them didn't go to school, so
they would whatever they could get, take take home whatever,
you know, good money, hopefully money, you know, they would
take home to the folks. And and that's when it
hit me that, Man, I didn't get bored at all,
you know, m hmm.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Just simply fortunes. Some people just had it worse. So
I can see where that's coming from. I think we
all need a big career for on that. And also
just a couple of things here. Who you considered biggest
influence in the career.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Oh wow, huh. I would say my my boy scout, uh,
my dead master. I've had some great coaches.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I didn't I didn't play sport, but I would say
I'll say equipment manager. They were good influences. I love sports.
I have to say Muhammad Ali big Ali. Uh love
author ash yeah yeah yeah, even even met met Archie
(36:39):
Manny when I was about eleven teen, long before anybody
new kids, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Mm hmmm, the ultimate quarterback himself on a proper team.
Got to say that and two great kids a legacy
right there. And what's the best advice you can give
the aim.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
By this point, oh even yourself. And like they said,
hard time gonna come. Just know they're not gonna laugh,
you know, especially if you keep putting your best foot
forward there. You know you're a vib You'll get past.
It may not be the way you want it to
turn out in the end, but it'll be better than
(37:17):
it was.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
And I think that's a great idea as well.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Here's amazing about the talent author Harold Piffer, My Bully
My and or final gift there on Mike Waders Show. Harold,
very big, thanks for telling me about as fantastic, learned
a lot looking forward having soon keeps up today, keep
in touch, laugh at you back. And what's your website?
How do people contact you? Whoring people purchase or check
out your books?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Sure, I like, said Amazon dot com. And eventually you
would be to buy my books on my website right now,
maybe about a month in that, but right now go
to Amazon Amazon dot com get the book ebook. I
don't think the hardcover that, but the the audiobook is
there as well.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Okay, and what's your website.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Rajanread dot com.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
We want Airby to go to that website right now.
Once again, Herod, very big thanks you gotving, Ben Apps amazing,
looking for him soon, keeps up, they keep in touch,
lave av me back, We wish I'll best and Harold
you definitely have a great future.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Hey, thank you.
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a book. You're buying a story, a thought, a message,
and a good book entertains and inspires. And that's exactly
what a Missing by award winning author me On the Ziadas.
I have his book right here, and it's based on
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to finish. I personally love this book. It's super powerful
and meaningful through and you can actually get it on
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