July 29, 2025 • 50 mins
Author/neurologist Robert J. Wolf talks about his newest release “Not A Real Enemy” a true story of one of the most unknown chapters of the Holocaust following the transformation of a young man confronting antisemitism, cruelty, kindness, despair and hope towards freedom where nearly ½ million Hungarian Jews were deported and killed during the holocaust! Robert grew up in suburban Detroit as an only child, attended University of Michigan Medical School, completed his training at Brown & Yale University, and shares the stories of his parents escape from communist Hungary and his father’s tragic history of escaping the Nazis twice but losing his own parents, plus the sharing the family saga of daring escapes, terrifying oppression, tragedy and triumph! Check out the amazing Robert Wolf and his latest release on all major platforms and www.robertjwolfmd.com today! #podmatch #robertjwolfmd #author #neurologist #notarealenemy #robertwolf #detroit #holocuast #hungarian #hungarianjews #antisemitism #universityofmichigan #brownuniversity #yaleuniversity #communism #escape #nazis #spreaker #iheartradio #spotify #applemusic #youtube #anchorfm #bitchute #rumble #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnerrobertjwolf #themikewagnershowrobertjwolf
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We're here of an amazing author and new radiologists attend
the University of Michigan Medical School, completed his training at
Brown and Yale Universities, griven Spurban Detroit as an only child,
and stories of his parents escaped from communist Hungary, and
we'll talk about that. The new book is a true
story of one of the most unknown chapters in the Holocaust,
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folloing the transformation of a young man conferring anti Semitism.
The book is called Not a Real Enemy, Livelace and
Gentleal Plus Studio somewhere in beautiful downtown Florida. The amazing
author and new radiology attend the University of Michigan and
the book Not a Real Enemy, the multi talented Robert Robert,
Good morning, good afternoon, Gaving.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Well, thanks for having me. I'm much I'm very honored,
appreciate it. It's nice to meet you and great to
be on your show.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What's great to have you on board too, Robert hereon,
author of a newer radio I just attend a University of
Michigan medical school, complete your training at Brown and Yale Universities.
You grew up in suburban Detroit as an only child,
and you share and sharing stories of your parents escape
from communists Hungary and father's a tragic history of escaping
the Nazis twice but losing his own parents. And you
(02:34):
have a book which is a true story of one
of the most unknown chapters in the Holocaust, following trans
transformation of a young man, confirming anti Semitism, cruelty, kindness, despair,
hope and freedom, everything and chorus. Also nearly half a
million of the Hungarian Jews to poured and killed during
the Holocaust. The book is called Not a Real Enemy
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and Forkkultna. Robert tell us how you first got started, Well, if.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
You knew me six seven years ago, you'd say this
guy would never write a book about the.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Holocau a podcast. I mean, we're all in the same boat,
right right.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I mean, I'm a science and a math guy. But
in the seventies, well, the books it's a biography about
my dad. It's also an adventure because there's twenty miracles
in the book Four Escapes. We talk more about that
down the road. Four Time Escape artists a lot of miracles,
and the story is about anti Semitism. Anti Semitism in
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the backdrop throughout the book. And so when my mom
and dad they wrote his autobiography when they finally got
settled in the United States in the seventies, and he
was established as an obiguyn. By the way, that's the punchline.
He ended up delivering ten thousand babies in the Detroit area.
You know, redemption for sure, if you can call it that.
It doesn't bring back the six million Jewish people, and
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it doesn't bring back the fifty million that died in
World War Two, but it's certainly bringing life into the world. So,
and he was my hero way, I mean, since ninth grade.
That's all I want to do is become a doctor,
so I became a radiologist, following in his footsteps. Backlog
to the seventies. So they wrote the autobiography. They wrote
the stories as though they'd happened the previous day. Covers Hungary,
(04:13):
so it's a history book too. It covers Hungary from
the end of World War One to the end of
the Hungarian Revolution in nineteen fifty six, so it's about
a forty year span and ends up in their quest
for freedom. So I was inspired by They wrote the
autobiography in the seventies as though the stories happened in
the previous day, and then the you know, paper and
pencil to typewriter to computer to disk. I may have
(04:37):
read the manuscript once thirty years ago. Didn't think much
of it. I was a busy guy now, you know,
practicing radiology, family, all that stuff. I didn't think much
except for his first escape, but I remembered that vividly.
Although my dad would and Mom would talk about the Holocaust,
you know, on and on more so in the second
half of my life, I almost got burnout from it,
you know, Holocaust fatigue they call it. So needless to say,
(04:59):
Dad passes away in nine seven. Unfortunately, Mom passed away
in twenty sixteen. A historian friend of mine hands me
it's now on a disc and she says, you've got
to read this. Didn't think much of it at the time.
Took a year to take care of my mom's affairs,
and then I retired for a year. And a friend
of mine, a radiologist, never burn your bridges A good
lesson there. An old partner said, look, we're short, we're
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short a radiologists. You want to work for us a
couple of days a week remotely from home, and I did,
and that brought me to the book. So as a radiologist,
the left we have two screens. The left screen is
the patient list Q and the right screen of the images.
So between cases, the left screen was my dad's autobiography
and the right screen was me dictating his biography. So
now are twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, we finally finish. I
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moved to Florida. I'm not getting anywhere as far as queries,
so I get a couple of beta reads in twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, and one of them, another author said, look,
hook up with Janis Harper, who's my co author, who's
a miracle worker. So she took the project for a year.
And she's a book coach, she's a writer herself, she's
an author. Wrote about Madagascar of all places, talk about
(06:06):
unknown anyway. So the book became special. She turned it
into a instead of just a to B two C,
she turned into a special novel. Stories in and out
of order, conversations, letters to and from home and like
my parents did, the sites, the sounds, the smells, the fear,
very palpable in the way the story is formulated. And
(06:26):
then bottom of the nine two stream catch. We got
Amsterdam Publishers to publish the book for us, Wow, with
great enthusiasm. So this is where we're at. It's not
an easy process. It's very different than you know, training
with science and math and anatomy, being a writer, an author,
a concert violinist, rock band, any type of performer. It's
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a difficult. It's a fickle and difficult business. But this
is my corner of it for the last six seven years,
just kind of fighting anti Semitism in my own way
and doing a lot of programs, podcasts like this, thank
you book signings, book presentations. It's about thirty seven accounting
just over one hundred podcasts and twenty and twenty four
(07:08):
TV and radio interviews. I guess maybe I can call
this a combination of a podcast and radio interview.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I don't know, a TV broadcast or however you want
to do it. I mean, you can combine everything podcasts, radio, TV.
Some people convert to print, some people convert to a
book and whatever. It's like, you know, I mean, this
is access twenty four seven, three sixty five, call it
whatever you want.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
This like the new media here, which is.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Great, absolutely absolutely so. I was motivated by the stories,
you know, the miracles, and the way the dad wrote
his stories in such a sharp, well put together He
knew the history. Of course, we researched the history, both
myself and my co author, and we had a few
historians review it to make sure it was accurate. And
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certainly things were tweaked, but we wanted to make sure
that the book was bulletproof. Even the cover is a
beautiful cover. And the guy that did in his Croatian,
he was a little as sugar and I he was
a little eccentric, did it all over online, over email.
But for the money we spent, he did an amazing
job and the books won four awards too, which another
(08:13):
miracle in itself. I'm not the type for self congratulations
or to tap myself in the back, but it does
mean that people in the know appreciated the quality of
the work and the importance of the work. And I
owe my team, not only my co author Janis, but
my friend Mark who's been with me on the journey.
He's helped me with the website and learning about socials
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and on and on and on. And it also doesn't
mean much if it doesn't help me in the fight
against anti Semitism. I mean, awards are nice, but if
it's not helping me with getting the message across, then
it doesn't really mean much either.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I also all thought about it too with your parents
being involved as well too, that Miners saying that your
mom was one of the main interesting participants in Survivors
of their show back from the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I mean, that was definitely work right there, very very important.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, I mean I don't know exact number of people
that they interviewed, but she was one of them, and
so she made the cut. I have a copy of
that that that disc I need to look at that
again before before discs become obsolete too, you know, but yeah,
she was a part of that. My mom and dad
were both especially my mom, she was a big Holocaust educator,
and they were very active and respected in the medical community,
(09:24):
the Jewish community, the general community. And then she talked
a lot about history and not only the Holocaust, but
also the Communists and repressive regimes regimes in general. For
the Hungarians, they didn't get a break for you know,
one hundred years. And even now I'm questioning the rise
of anti Semitism is orbon friendly to the Hungarians, to
(09:45):
the Jewish people, because a lot of people weren't. Never
mind Hitler and and and the Aaro Cross for example,
the police, Hungarian police kind of like the Gestapo, worse
of the Jews than the Nazis themselves, and and well documented,
very horrible stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I was just thinking about too, talk about the Hungarian
Jews and during this torture for one hundred years, how
do you think this torture compares to other European countries,
like in like in England, or like in Scotland or France,
or of course you know Germany, or say with let's see,
you know, Finland or Sweden or any of the Jews
reciting in those areas, how much how much torture you think,
(10:23):
you know, compares to the other countries the other Jews
were in as well being perscu of the Holocaust.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, if you're talking about just if you're talking about world,
because I was thinking when you mentioned all these countries,
I'm thinking about today after October seventh, because what's going
on today is certainly comparable, which with what happened in
Europe in the thirties. Now, maybe it's not to the
same extent or the same scale, but it certainly could
turn quicker than that. And for us it's Judeo Christian enemies,
(10:49):
because it's the people that are the enemies. Now are
these the jihadists? You know, the extremists. So back then,
as far as statistics, I believe, and don't quote, I
think Poland and Russia had more people murdered during the Holocaust,
and I think Hungary was third or fourth. Oh wow,
And it was all in a matter of months. It
(11:10):
was an accelerated genocide, I mean. And this happened in
forty two also when the Germans were seemingly losing the
war or getting drilled. They that's why that's when they're
charged became accelerated to murder more people, and so unfortunately
for Hungary, and you know, they were almost due the
end of the war, but my dad was taken away
to forced labor camp in forty three and a couple
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months later, soon his parents were taken to a ghetto,
a collecting place in their hometown, and then they were
all hauled off to Auschwitz. So and many were killed immediately.
My dad spot my dad knew my parents their destinies
in Auschwitz from another witness that he met months after
the war had ended. It's another miracle how we found out. So,
(11:53):
I mean, it's it's bad closure, but at least its closure.
And the good news was you know, I mean, I
can't say it's good news. But his mom didn't have
to suffer. She was taken right away to the gas
chambers with an orphaned child, unfortunately. And then his dadad
died about a week later, probably cholera. He was assigned
to clean out the stool the latrines from lavoxy. Really
(12:15):
not because he was a doctor. He said, well, I'm
a dentist. I could be useful. I'm a doctor, and
that's that's the best he got. So really not, you know,
really hirring stories. But if it were me, it'd be
better than starving for months and being tortured and slave
labored and humiliated. We've been talking about humilation a lot
in this journey too. It's a part of it. Nobody
(12:36):
deserves that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Of course, there may be think too about the treatment
the Hungarian Jews have endured as well too, Comparing you know, Poland,
Russia and all that. Why were the Hungarian Jews were
sort of targeted? What was the extreme hate about it?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Well, I don't know if it's singled out to Hungarian Jews.
It's just Jews in general. I mean, if you were
a Jew, you were screwed. And it wasn't just it.
It wasn't just the Nazis. Even after World War One,
the Admiral Horthy was in charge, and the Jews thought
that he was not friendly to the religion, to the
to the race. And then there was the there's the
red tear, the white tear, pro communist, the anti communist.
(13:12):
You know, you need a program to keep track. But
no matter what, the poor people in that country thought,
you're a junior screwed. I mean they didn't there was
nobody that was friendly to them, and then of course
the rise of fascism, and then even after the Communists
took over, they were not they couldn't have Jewish weddings,
you know, very very strict, very repressive. And it was
(13:34):
true in Poland as well, all at Czech Czech Czech Republic,
but then Czechoslovakia, Romania. So you know, that's it brings
up another good point. If the United States had rescued
Hungary rather than Russia, I probably wouldn't be here. I'd
probably be I would have been raised in Hungary democratic society,
and if I was lucky getting the medical school there
and lived there all my life. But that's but that's
(13:55):
not what happened.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You talked about US saving Russia and South Hungary as well.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Was it basic behind US committed to save the Russians
Jews instead of Hungary?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Just maybe think of it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh, I don't know. I mean, it's just they divided
and conquered. I mean, I'm not a I'm not a
huge I know my little corner of history, but there
are certain parts of history, like the war part. I'm
not real familiar with the battles or the strategies. Truthfully,
but yeah, Americans had their hands full trying to rescue
the West, right, helping with England, France, Germany, Austria, as
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it turns out, you know, neighboring neighboring Hungary. So it
was that close that they could have. And meanwhile the
Soviets they helped free up of course Poland and Hungary
checked Czechoslovakia, and it's just the way it worked. And
then in the East, you know, in the Pacific I
should say that is the Pacific East or West, I
don't know, obviously America, but we had our allies of
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course too. So Italy bailed early, and that's a that's
a bit. You know, all of Europe got hit in
World I was just came from Corfu, for example, one
of the Greek islands. Two thousand Jewish people died at Auschwitz.
They were they were all the way from the Greek Islands,
all the way to Auschwitz, if you can believe that.
So it's an eye opener. And other eye openers. When
(15:08):
we talk about pets, pets in the Holocaust, we don't
really talk and women's slave laborers Hungarian women's slave labors
in the Holocaust, which is an eye opener. I don't
know that much about it, but it's and we don't
talk about in the book, but it's it's definitely a
topic as well, something.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
To And how about child labor as well too?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You talk about you know, you know, pets being slave women,
force in labor.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
What about the children, No doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
You know, we've all seen Schindler's List, and you see
what that's about.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I've seen that. I was just.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
That movie. If my Dad's story ever became a movie,
it would be Schindler's List on steroids because the escapes
would make it. It would make it even more so.
But they're seeing that movie after doing this book versus
before it. There are so many comparisons. And I talked
about this a few weeks ago with another host, and
we compare a lot of the stuff that very comparable
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nineteen forty one Poland with what happened in forty three
forty four Hungry. But yeah, child child labor was a
part of it. Clothes collecting, collecting suitcases and collecting the
brick of brac out of the suitcases, saving whatever, all
kinds of things they were put to work. You know,
my dad was a kid when he was in forced
labor camp. He was what twenty one twenty two, never
(16:21):
lived outside of the house, never worked, had to work
a manual labor or hard in his lifetime, and all
of a sudden he's put into a forced labor camp.
So that saved his life because he was useful, because
he was a young man who could work. And you know,
five percent of those slave labors survived, which is a
remarkable number if you think about it, because thousands have
been So my dad was one of them because he
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was on the run or hiding at the end of
the war, so he was not. The rest of them, unarmed,
were treated as POWs. So just because they were a
part of the paramilitary, very sent.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
And of course your dad had those for escapes and
twenty miracles and everything like that. Or cover some of
those with Robert Wolfe of the book not Real Enemy.
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We're here at the amazing author and neuro radiologist attend
a University of Michigan Robert Wolfere and the Mike Wheners
show and the book Not a Real Enemy and covering
her dad as well to for Escapes and twenty Miracles
and you know.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Talk about one of the forestscapes as well. We like
to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I'd be happy to well. His first was definitely harrowing
and and it was towards the end of the war.
My dad just had a foot foot infection and he
went to a He had to walk to the hospital,
which is who knows how long how far away our
hours and hours walk to the hospital it was with
the cleanliness in the hospital was horrific. The doctor who
(19:40):
saw him said to him, well, it doesn't really matter
if I treat your foot or not. You're going to
be dead soon, That's what I Can you imagine your
doctor actually saying.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
That to you, So probably for insurance purposes nowadays or
BOYD malpractice.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
It's the two options. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah, yeah, now you got a twenty page you get
these twenty page contracts that you don't know, nobody wants
to earn, can't understand even if you do. In Michael anyway,
there was none of that. There was just men and marching.
So he gets back to the in the middle of
nowhere Carpathian mountains or and it's cold, it's it's winter,
and he and his friend Frank, who had been with
(20:15):
him in the forced labor camp throughout and they've been
to multiple spots and it was very harrowing getting urinated
on while digging ditches, getting shelled at by Russian planes
even though these guys were unarmed. Some of the stories
of the people getting injured a musician, for example, very sad,
tragic story, professional musician. Needless to say, they thought that
they were on the death march. There wasn't a lot
(20:37):
of information, but they thought they were on a death march,
like we all know about them from Okinawa and the Pacific,
but we don't talk about them for these forced labors.
So they really thought. So they had about a three
day window to escape, had to get off, and they
marched in line, and they waited till dusk and then boom,
they took off like on the count of three. And
you know, Chris Berman, rumbling, stumbling, bumbling in the wintry
(21:00):
thicket with maybe a backpack and just getting the hell
out of there, so that they'd hide somewhere in the
shrubs in an area that they didn't know at all,
in the mountains. So a third guy follows him. He
wasn't part of the plan, but a third guy follows him.
He gets caught and can imagine hiding in the thicket
and hearing the guards beating him, you know, and the
dog's barking, and you got away and this guy didn't.
(21:21):
It turns out this guy survived though, if I remember correctly,
they out after the fact, so amazing that they didn't
kill him, you know, and that so and he and
his friend Frank, they were supposed to split up. A
little miracle about that story too, but they ended up
meeting back up after escaping and hiding for hours in
the dark in the shrubs, finally making their way down
(21:42):
the mountain find you know, the railroad tracks head toward Budapest,
which is scary enough because we talk about the end
of the light at the end of the tunnel. Well,
what is that? I mean? So you escaped, you're you're
free for ten minutes, but you don't know where your
next meal is coming from. You don't know where you're
going to be sleeping. You have a job, you've got
the yellow so stupid yellow bands on, so you could
get hunted anyway, every time a train goes by. You've
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got to hide, you know, and you're pretty much hiding
until the end of the war. But and also with that,
they didn't know who if it depended who won the war,
if the Germans or the or the the Hungarians or
the United States. You know, if they ended up in Austria,
but the Germans win the war, they're probably worse off
than they were in Hungary. So they had that unknown
too amazing story and they got away from the they
(22:25):
and then they got double crossed once in Budapest. They
had some a lot of friendly people helping them, but
not everybody. So so some truck driver takes the he
double crosses them. He takes them to what they call
the dog pound, where they collected escape forced labors. So
now they're they're imprisoned again and they're thinking they're going
to die or get tortured or get sent back to
(22:46):
a place that was worse than they were. They escaped.
It was right, It was unbelievable. That story, the split
second timing, you know, brains and balls, sorry, that's what
it was. And and the luck of the lord, and
they got out and right in front of Ninezzi headquarters
between guards. Amazing escape and that one I forgot about
the first time I read it. And then once when
(23:07):
he was a METS student under a communist Hungary, he
was tired of the communists. You know, he got to
finally get into medical school, but he hated the communist system.
So he escaped. He got out and arguing with an
armbrushing soldier. Cloak and dagger stories, there was many of
the cloak and dagger stories too, and that's he got away.
I mean, he got through, but he changed his mind.
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He was for fear of reprisal. And then finally with
my mom, a very harrowing escape when they left in
fifty six after the Hungarian Revolution. Mom was a MET
student at the time. She never got to finish, she
never got to go back. My dad was an obgyn
by now, but he had to double down as a
trauma surgeon. The Hungarian Revolution. Not a lot of people
talk about or know about three thousand people died, fourteen
thousand injured, a lot of young that's on both sides,
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a lot of young women and children who actually started
the conflict, and of course the young soldiers at the
Russians sent in with many many tanks. The Hungarians couldn't
win that war at all, but it was a two
week war and then there were a lot of casualties, refugees,
and a lot of destruction. Mom and Dad were front liners.
She ran the blood bank while he doubled down as
a trauma surgeon. And after all that, they said enough
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is enough. Two wars, another repressive regime. They were closing
the borders. The people that really wanted freedom were getting out,
and my mom and dad risked their lives to do that.
And very harrowing story, anti Semitism all the way to Austria,
anti Semitic remarks, and believe it or not, a priest
helped them with that last escape and at the risk
(24:31):
of losing his own life. And so a lot of
great stories, a lot of sad stories, no sugarcoating, you know,
we're just telling it like it is. And like a
friend of mine says, if Dad said that, that's what happened.
Then that's what happened, you know, and denial that there's
deniers out there nine to eleven and the Holocaust it happened.
There's enough evidence. The Nazis were unbelievably meticulous about the evidence.
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You know, they take a lot of photographs and send
them home. This is what we're doing every day, you know,
and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So it's kind of their social media in a sense too.
Hey look what I did, Look who I killed, Look
look what I can do. Look at this mom and
all that.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
So that's Sarah, Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And you know when I think about it's funny you
mention that because I think about the shoes on the Danube.
So the arrow cross is like to get stoppa. They're
the police, these idiots that you treat the Jews were
So twenty one thousand people died in two months, shot
to shot in cold blood on the Danube, and that
makes me think, you know, there's no witnesses, there's no lawyers,
there's no courtroom, there's no social media or TikTok or
(25:34):
it's just then the witness was the next victim. So
who are you gonna tell? So that was very a
horrible story, and there was no reason for that at
the end of the war. It was really at the
end of the war for Hungary. It wasn't like in
Schindler the exact opposite, where all the German soldiers leave
Schindler's factory and go home, even though he really invites
them literally to kill all those survivors. And boy, would
(25:58):
I be nervous if I were in that situation. But
they left, but that didn't happen in Hungary.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I was just going to ask you about comparing Schindler's
List to with Hunger, and I think you pretty much
answer that question. And maybe if he did see Shindless List,
was anything that was inaccurate about what happens well too
compared to what actually happened.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Well, I'm not a big historian about the history of Poland,
but in funny they mentioned Hungary late late into the movie,
because so they're moving along into forty three forty four
towards the end, and now the Hungarians are going through
what the Polish people had to go through. But how
about this mental torture when this this guy, one of
the I think he was the rabbi, he's not making
(26:38):
enough trinkets in the factory, so goth Is he takes
him outside in the to the yard and he's gonna
shoot him in the head, and his gun won't go.
His gun gets jammed, and then he takes his other
gun and he gets jammed. This is in the movie.
And then he gets one of his colleagues, an other
officer's gun, and that gets jammed. So the poor guy
is on his knees, he's got his head to sideways
(26:59):
and he could have been shot, you know. And and
the guy then he just kicks him in the head
or he butts him in the head with the gun
and lets him live. I mean, talk about that kind
of trauma. And then ironically, when they when they hung off,
same thing happened. They had a hard time getting the
step stool out from under his feet, so they would
hang and so he had to experience the same thing
in a similar degree. Well, when my dad was in
(27:21):
forced labor camp, there was a drunk guard, a drunk officer,
excuse me, and somebody was out of line or said
something or we're talking when they weren't supposed to. And
he said, look, you guys are going to tell me
who the perpetrator is or I'm going to shoot one
out of every tenth one of you, and so you
know you're you're secretly counting.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
One through ten like a Russian in a sense, it's a.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Russian roulette, exactly right, It's a Russian roulette. And the
guy he never never came through with the with the
threat so unbelievable. So nobody got killed, but they went
out of ten guys. All these guys thought, well, it
could be me. So it's the same kind of thing.
It's that mental anguish that people have even though you
know you weren't directly you're humiliated, but you're not exactly
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hurt or killed, but you But that's something I would
take with me for a long time. Another thingler is
in the gas chambers. You know the scene when they
think they're in the gas chamber, but they're actually in
a big shower. And I picture my grandmother going into
the chambers and they drop probably cyanide gas and all
you sees a little hole and you're gone in a
in a couple of minutes, I mean. And so that
(28:24):
it's hard when I visit the Holocaust museums, I can't
even get into those trains because I feel it, you know,
it's just it's a different type of claustrophobia. It's just
it's just it's something that I can look at them,
and I can look at the pictures and read the history.
But for me, the trains are another thing. And that
was a similar That's a scene that kind of saund
with me.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And maybe think at Shindler's List. They're literally stripped of
everything and stripped of humility, just stripped all over.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
I could these images life.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Oh my gosh, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Well that's not right, and so over my parents they
lost their house, they lost their belongings. Read along this journey.
I don't know if the right number, but at least
one hundred and fifty thousand, maybe it's three fifty pieces
of art stolen from Hungary, which is it's unreal. Some
of it got recovered, a lot of it didn't. Financial
retribution that's still been I mean, that's still going on.
(29:14):
My mom had a little bit of that from the
German government and from the Hungarian government. It wasn't that much,
but I'm sure for my mom it was a huge
personal victory, you know, because she was in hiding the
whole time. Throughout the war. So she was lucky to survive,
but not as exciting as my dad's story was, but
certainly fearful. She was a young kid. My dad was
twenty one, twenty two.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
She was ten or eleven at the time, so oh wow,
okay during the.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Wars, Yeah, they were eleven years apart.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So that's a big difference as well. And of the
four escapes, what was the escape that got your dad
and mom and t us That was.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
The fourth escape through the Yeah, they were closing down
the roads. There were Russian planes overhead with lights on
and flares and everything to see. The Russians weren't stupid.
They knew people were trying to leave, so they're chopping
down big trees to block the roads. But one of
their nights they were trying to escape, and there was
a baby crying, and my dad had some sedation, and
(30:11):
he gives the baby sedation with the parents permission, and
it works for like an hour, and then the baby's
got this paradoxical the crying and the screaming. So they
had to cancel a night, I mean so, and they
weren't gonna they couldn't take a chance, and so then
the next night they attempted to escape again, and this
time without the kid. But another miracle they found out
I don't know how after the fact that that kid
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and the family made it and they escaped and got
through and not ever run into the United States, some
state in Europe. Lot went to Israel, Canada, Sweden, you know, Scandinavia, astore.
Another great little story. The priest that helped them, my
mom and dad sent them sent the parish money once
a year at Christmas time. Nice thanks of him helping them.
(30:53):
And I think that's a great story. And then one
day they got they got the check back or a
letter saying that the demand had passed away. So another
great story too. So border guards they had no money
to get to Vienna. They say, look, they borrow. They
bribe the border guards with bottles of rum, two bottles
of run.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, we going, And so they get drunk.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, and they're talking about how Hitler was good and all.
They're more anti Semitism. And my mom and dad, believe me,
they wanted to argue with them, but they knew better,
Why you've gone this far, Let's just get the hell
out of here. Let's go. But they convinced them to
lend them some money so that they could just get
the train or the bus just so they can get
into Vienna. And then they were good. My mom's stepfather
waiting there for them, and they did. They actually and
(31:36):
my mom and dad paid them back. So it's part
of integrity, which we talked about in the book presentations determination, determination, hope, integrity, fear,
freedom and obviously and ultimately determination. And uh and what
was the word I'm thinking I'm baking on the last word.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It'll come to me already, meant, I'm sure will. And
what was the city you asked that your mom and
dad end up in? Of course he had the immigration
wave from up they'll end up in Ellis Island. What
was the city in the US that your mom and
dad end up in the first city you know, you.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Know your history, so yes, same thing. They end up
in New York City, Ellis Island. She met her father,
her strange father, already divorced and remarried to save the
family name during the Holocaust and afterwards, and he was
in Providence, Rhode Island, but he drove to New York
City to meet them. The red tape was relatively benign
because my mom was a med student, my dad was
(32:32):
a doctor, and he picked them up in New York
City and that part two of this book, the story
would be from Vienna tell probably the seventies if we
ever do that, but it won't be as important as
the book we did. But strange she hadn't seen her
dad in eighteen years and they had a flat tire,
which is a funny story, and you know, I mean
I wanted to end the book with that that you know,
(32:53):
they just looked at the flat because now, like in
the Florida roads or in New York roads or whatever,
a flat tire would be just a devastating you know,
your day is ruined, right because it's it messes. But
for them, after everything they went through with flat tire,
you know, there was I don't think there was Triple
A in the fifties. Maybe there was, but they took
care of that. And then they went to Providence, Rhode
Island for a while, and it was hard for him.
(33:14):
They didn't speak much English, they were bored, they weren't
getting along with the new wife, and they didn't know
where they were going. So I believe it or not,
my dad got a residency at the Beth Israel, a
Harvard affiliate, which I couldn't get into any Harvard residency
in any specialty. But it's amazing she's taking you know,
elementary school in high school English, redoing his residency in
(33:36):
Obgyn and Boston. So they moved to Boston, and then
when they were done, there were no jobs in Boston
lay fifties early sixties, so they end up in Detroit
for a couple of years, and then in sixty two
they came out to suburbia. They saw the urban blight coming,
they saw the uprising of the unrest, and I'm sure
they weren't afraid, but it was like, really, do we
(33:57):
need more civil unrest and riots We've already.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Right, Yeah, And of course, you know, especially with all
the the the African Americans from the South coming up
to Detroit in the first place, with better opportunities because
the cotton industry had pretty much dried up, and you know,
Motown started and everything like that, and about your dad,
you know, you know, being obe later.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Establishing you know further in the US.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
How is that that system compared to hungering and compared
to us in terms of education, the health and situation
and everything like that, how did how did it compare
to Hungary to us with his ob experience.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Well, that's such a great question and that would be
an our answer. But first on that the cotton versus
the automotives. Then the seven is we had to the
recession because the oil, the oil industry was booming and
the car industry was being replaced with the Japanese and
then then later the Korean. So so that's part of Detroit.
That was part of Detroit's problem. Obviously, I still consider
myself a Detroiter. One thing I got to say about
(34:58):
the healthcare, and I can't speak. While my dad was
well regarded as an excellent surgeon, so you know whoever
trained him, and he loved delivering babies and he would
have worked till the day he died. So whoever trained
him in Hungary really knew what they were doing. Because
now the technology has always been ahead in the United
States and even more so now. But with that has
been healthcare expenses. Of course, the hospital that he worked at,
(35:22):
it was my dad being Jewish. Ironically, it's a it
was Saint Mary's, so it was a It was a
private Catholic hospital that had its own church. Had its
own monastery and nunnery. It was amazing place. I got
to work there for a couple of years as a kid.
And my dad had mitral stenosis because he had rheumatic
fever as a kid, so it ended up affecting one
(35:45):
of his heart valves mitrol stenosis, and there were no
because there were no antibiotics at the time, back when
he was a kid. And if he didn't come to
the United States, he probably would have lived till maybe
fifty five sixty. He lived to seventy four, but he
had two open heart surgeries at the clinic. One was
for the micro valve replacement and a bypass, which I
don't think Hungary had yet, maybe they did in the
(36:07):
late seventies. And then he had the valve perforate. It
was a poor scene valve of pig valvet pers rate perforated,
so it's another adventure. My dad had to go through
the sides. Everything else was two open heart surgeries. But
if he didn't come to the US and go to
the top place like the Cleveland Clinic, his life expectancy
would have been much less.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
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Not a Real Enemy and just a couple of things,
maybe some up the title of not a Real Enemy?
And uh, you know, just how'd you come up with
the name?
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I forgot to ask you that earlier?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Great question.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
No, man, I show the book, absolutely, show it all
you want. It's your Times reflection.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Sorry about the award there, four awards. I can't believe it.
I mean again, it's about the team, and it doesn't
mean anything if it doesn't help me with the fight
against anti Semitism. But not a Real Enemy The true
story of Hungarian Jewish Man's fight for freedom. Four Escapes,
twenty Miracles, Adventure history book. I'm serious about fighting anti
(39:19):
Semitism here in my own little way. I'm doing a
lot of these podcasts. If you want to help me
with it. I can't fight anti Semitism myself, so please
reach out, do reviews, more podcasts, book presentations. I don't
say no to anything. I'm on social media across the board.
Rob Wolf on Meta or Not a Real Enemy by
Robert Wolf as my Facebook author page. I'm on x,
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I'm on Instagram, LinkedIn, TikTok, and blue Sky, so jump along.
I don't just post about the book. We just got
back from Europe and it was a great trip. I
posted beautiful photos from that. Very privileged and grateful to
do that. A couple of years ago, I was in Israel.
I love your King David, excavating the King David's palace,
(40:03):
one of them in Jerusalem, and it's a beautiful site.
Israel is an amazing country. They say every Jewish person
to go to Israel. I say everyone should go to Israel.
So I mean until October seventh, the tolerance was there.
We did a lot of Judeo Christian visiting and a
lot of and Islamic as well, and it was well integrated.
So that's what I'm trying to do, is like my parents,
(40:24):
is get us to be more integrated, to understand other
people's personalities, other people's their cultures and religions, and be neighborly,
because life is short and we have such little time
on this planet, so make the most of it. Stop
hating love people, change your vector if you don't like
what you're at, what you're doing, and realize what happened
(40:44):
to my dad could happen to any one of us,
anyone of any time, natural disaster or war, foreign government,
local government, bad neighbor, a bad business deal. Appreciate what
we have in this country. Because this book is about
the dark world, and it exists, and it exists now
in a different way, but the song remains the same.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
And what can people more learn from the book? Say again,
what can people more learn from the book?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Well, besides the history of Hungary and about the Holocaust
and anti Semitism, the messages are clear, integrity, determination, the
question for freedom, resilience. Redemption is the word I was
looking redemption. So and we we all go through hard
times in our life. And this is such an inspiring
(41:31):
and such an inspiring story that it made me. It
changed my life. And when I get people to tell
me how it changed the way they look on life,
then I will have done my job. So you learn
a little bit about everything, and I get such great feedback.
A lot of people say it should be a movie.
I kind of agree, but I'm biased and we'll see.
I mean, Tom Cruise plays my dad, four time escape artists,
(41:52):
a lot of running scenes.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Just like just like Mission Impossible to Mission Impossible one
hundred Hungarian.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, why not not a real enemy instead? Do something different, Tom, Plus,
you'll help with the fight against anti Semitism. Tom Hanks
plays one of the nicer guards in the labor camp,
if you could call him that. Steven Spielberg directs the movie,
but he's done. I've already reached out, sent him a
query letter. I got a nice letter back, but he's
done with that. Between Schindler and the show a movie,
and I don't know, it's just a it's been a
(42:24):
journey that I never thought I would be on. It's
been a great it's been a great learning experience. It's
wonderful meeting new people, and I highly recommend that too.
It's another way to just meet people like you. And
I'm going to Vegas for a live in studio podcast
coming up, which is so exciting, nice that kind of thing.
So that's you know, Vegas was fun. I'm meeting new
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people and continuing with the message. And I appreciate you being.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And certainly great as well. And you're well established great
and I appreciate as well too. Where can you find
your book at, Robert?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Okay, the book is available not a real enemy, on Amazon,
Barnes and Noble. If it's not in your local store,
it's online and Barnes and Noble, Walmart. My undergrad alma mater,
Tough Stuffs University. And it's also available at four Holocaust museums,
the Zeckelman in Michigan, the Mothership, the United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum in Washington, d C. I've done a couple
(43:19):
of book signings there, the Illinois Holocaust Museum and Tolerance Center,
I think that's right, and Education Center excuse me, and
then the Holocaust Memorial and Tolerance Center of Nassau County,
which I recently did at presentation there. So ye seek
and you shall find. It's there.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
It's out there, and you got and what's your website
in the meantime.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Oh, I appreciate that, Robert Jwolf MD dot com. And
I have a YouTube channel too, so there's.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Okay, all right? Well, so only checked out as well too.
Here with the amazing multi tenant Robert Right.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
And we're here at the amazing Robert Wolf of now
real enemy, here the Mike Waders show Roberts just a
few more things. What else can we expect me twenty
twenty five young besides going to Vegas afterwards?
Speaker 6 (44:04):
I think afterwards? What's that?
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Well, I'm always queering. So my granddaughter, excuse me, My
granddaughter just graduated valedictorian of her class.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
So nice.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
So that's cool. So I'm going up to Massachusetts for
that and in her graduation party, and it's my birthday eighteen.
And then I'm going to Michigan for my forty fifth
year class reunion and hopefully I'll get a book presentation
there in my hometown. When I did one a little
while ago, a couple of years ago, we sold out,
We sold out the books, we packed the place, so
(44:35):
great hometown that's in Michigan. I'm in talks with Yale
from the Yale alumni, so I might get a book
talk through them. I just got off of a cruise
and I'm doing a book podcast in a couple of
weeks through the cruise through Seaborn, and they might give
me two more book presentations in and in Atlanta. So
I'm busy, you know, Like I said, I don't say
(44:56):
not anything, and you never know what's going to come up.
I still try to reach out to people that don't
know about the book, and more importantly just helping the
fight against hate.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And I think that's a great message. Or spraying doing
a great job. Robert, And who do you consider biggest
influence in your career?
Speaker 4 (45:14):
My dad would be one. There's one hundred people. I mean,
Gordon Za is a neuroate al cel, fantastic guy. He's retired.
Now I can go back, you can go back to
elementary school Mspagin. There's so many. You know, the movie
Apocalypse Now reducts the Apocalypse Now is a great influencer
and a motivator while I was doing this project. It's
(45:34):
another twenty minute discussion. But a great Heart of Darkness
was the book. We read that in high school and
that was the beginning of that, you know, that was
where the story. There was other influencer as so many,
I mean the sports influences, Barry Sanders, Joe Dumar's, the
guys that are class class acts. While they're so talented,
(45:55):
but they're they're modest people. And by the way, we
should be following more Gandhi and Moses and Noah and
Jesus rather than listening to the other idiots that are
they're promoting hate and all the other bs that's caused
the cause murders. And we're following the wrong people sometimes.
And that's another.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
And of course it's sports figures as well, to alat
back in your days with the Red Wings, like Steve
Eiserman or like with who do we cover? Let's see
the type? Yes, class X and d Kirk Gibson. I
mean you can do all the flashbacks you want. I
mean just amazing stuff. And lastly, what's the best advice
you can give the aim by at this point.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
You can there's no substitute for experience. As we say
in radiology, you can learn something for every case. Realize
that every case is a person, it's not a case.
But you can there is no substitute for experience. Be
a team player. If you don't like what you're doing,
change vectors, pivot, you know, write a book, write a poem,
go to the library, volunteer at the hospital, like give
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your buy your neighbor a cup of coffee and spend
more time with your family, give back to the community.
Those are all all things that you can do, and
then reach out to government to find out what they're
doing about local hate and make sure that you're protected.
At least the guns aren't pointed at us right now,
and I hope it stays that way.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
And I think that's great advice as well too, in
times like these. Robert Sad's very good advice. We're here
with author Robert Wolf. Amazing Robert Wolf of not a
Real Enemy here on Mike Weners Show. Robert, very big,
thanks you, time, bban as fantastic, learned a lot looking
forehandn soon keeps up today, keep in touch, lave abe
back and what's your website? How do people contact you?
Bring people purchase or check out your book? Thank you sir,
(47:34):
Thank you, and what's your website again?
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Oh, Robert J. Wolf MD dot com. If you google
Robert J. Wolf, MD or not a Real Enemy, you
will find me.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Certainly we'll do as well.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Once again, Robert, very big, thanks you, time, de Ben
abs amazing looking forehandn soon keeps up today, keep in touch,
lave avy back. We wish out best and Robert, you
definitely have a great fitch to have you.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Thanks.
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We're here of an amazing author and new radiologists attend
the University of Michigan Medical School, completed his training at
Brown and Yale Universities, griven Spurban Detroit as an only child,
and stories of his parents escaped from communist Hungary, and
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The book is called Not a Real Enemy, Livelace and
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author and new radiology attend the University of Michigan and
the book Not a Real Enemy, the multi talented Robert Robert,
Good morning, good afternoon, Gaving.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Well, thanks for having me. I'm much I'm very honored,
appreciate it. It's nice to meet you and great to
be on your show.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
What's great to have you on board too, Robert hereon,
author of a newer radio I just attend a University of
Michigan medical school, complete your training at Brown and Yale Universities.
You grew up in suburban Detroit as an only child,
and you share and sharing stories of your parents escape
from communists Hungary and father's a tragic history of escaping
the Nazis twice but losing his own parents. And you
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have a book which is a true story of one
of the most unknown chapters in the Holocaust, following trans
transformation of a young man, confirming anti Semitism, cruelty, kindness, despair,
hope and freedom, everything and chorus. Also nearly half a
million of the Hungarian Jews to poured and killed during
the Holocaust. The book is called Not a Real Enemy
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and Forkkultna. Robert tell us how you first got started, Well, if.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
You knew me six seven years ago, you'd say this
guy would never write a book about the.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Holocau a podcast. I mean, we're all in the same boat,
right right.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I mean, I'm a science and a math guy. But
in the seventies, well, the books it's a biography about
my dad. It's also an adventure because there's twenty miracles
in the book Four Escapes. We talk more about that
down the road. Four Time Escape artists a lot of miracles,
and the story is about anti Semitism. Anti Semitism in
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the backdrop throughout the book. And so when my mom
and dad they wrote his autobiography when they finally got
settled in the United States in the seventies, and he
was established as an obiguyn. By the way, that's the punchline.
He ended up delivering ten thousand babies in the Detroit area.
You know, redemption for sure, if you can call it that.
It doesn't bring back the six million Jewish people, and
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it doesn't bring back the fifty million that died in
World War Two, but it's certainly bringing life into the world. So,
and he was my hero way, I mean, since ninth grade.
That's all I want to do is become a doctor,
so I became a radiologist, following in his footsteps. Backlog
to the seventies. So they wrote the autobiography. They wrote
the stories as though they'd happened the previous day. Covers Hungary,
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so it's a history book too. It covers Hungary from
the end of World War One to the end of
the Hungarian Revolution in nineteen fifty six, so it's about
a forty year span and ends up in their quest
for freedom. So I was inspired by They wrote the
autobiography in the seventies as though the stories happened in
the previous day, and then the you know, paper and
pencil to typewriter to computer to disk. I may have
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read the manuscript once thirty years ago. Didn't think much
of it. I was a busy guy now, you know,
practicing radiology, family, all that stuff. I didn't think much
except for his first escape, but I remembered that vividly.
Although my dad would and Mom would talk about the Holocaust,
you know, on and on more so in the second
half of my life, I almost got burnout from it,
you know, Holocaust fatigue they call it. So needless to say,
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Dad passes away in nine seven. Unfortunately, Mom passed away
in twenty sixteen. A historian friend of mine hands me
it's now on a disc and she says, you've got
to read this. Didn't think much of it at the time.
Took a year to take care of my mom's affairs,
and then I retired for a year. And a friend
of mine, a radiologist, never burn your bridges A good
lesson there. An old partner said, look, we're short, we're
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short a radiologists. You want to work for us a
couple of days a week remotely from home, and I did,
and that brought me to the book. So as a radiologist,
the left we have two screens. The left screen is
the patient list Q and the right screen of the images.
So between cases, the left screen was my dad's autobiography
and the right screen was me dictating his biography. So
now are twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, we finally finish. I
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moved to Florida. I'm not getting anywhere as far as queries,
so I get a couple of beta reads in twenty twenty,
twenty twenty one, and one of them, another author said, look,
hook up with Janis Harper, who's my co author, who's
a miracle worker. So she took the project for a year.
And she's a book coach, she's a writer herself, she's
an author. Wrote about Madagascar of all places, talk about
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unknown anyway. So the book became special. She turned it
into a instead of just a to B two C,
she turned into a special novel. Stories in and out
of order, conversations, letters to and from home and like
my parents did, the sites, the sounds, the smells, the fear,
very palpable in the way the story is formulated. And
(06:26):
then bottom of the nine two stream catch. We got
Amsterdam Publishers to publish the book for us, Wow, with
great enthusiasm. So this is where we're at. It's not
an easy process. It's very different than you know, training
with science and math and anatomy, being a writer, an author,
a concert violinist, rock band, any type of performer. It's
(06:48):
a difficult. It's a fickle and difficult business. But this
is my corner of it for the last six seven years,
just kind of fighting anti Semitism in my own way
and doing a lot of programs, podcasts like this, thank
you book signings, book presentations. It's about thirty seven accounting
just over one hundred podcasts and twenty and twenty four
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TV and radio interviews. I guess maybe I can call
this a combination of a podcast and radio interview.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
I don't know, a TV broadcast or however you want
to do it. I mean, you can combine everything podcasts, radio, TV.
Some people convert to print, some people convert to a
book and whatever. It's like, you know, I mean, this
is access twenty four seven, three sixty five, call it
whatever you want.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
This like the new media here, which is.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Great, absolutely absolutely so. I was motivated by the stories,
you know, the miracles, and the way the dad wrote
his stories in such a sharp, well put together He
knew the history. Of course, we researched the history, both
myself and my co author, and we had a few
historians review it to make sure it was accurate. And
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certainly things were tweaked, but we wanted to make sure
that the book was bulletproof. Even the cover is a
beautiful cover. And the guy that did in his Croatian,
he was a little as sugar and I he was
a little eccentric, did it all over online, over email.
But for the money we spent, he did an amazing
job and the books won four awards too, which another
(08:13):
miracle in itself. I'm not the type for self congratulations
or to tap myself in the back, but it does
mean that people in the know appreciated the quality of
the work and the importance of the work. And I
owe my team, not only my co author Janis, but
my friend Mark who's been with me on the journey.
He's helped me with the website and learning about socials
(08:34):
and on and on and on. And it also doesn't
mean much if it doesn't help me in the fight
against anti Semitism. I mean, awards are nice, but if
it's not helping me with getting the message across, then
it doesn't really mean much either.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I also all thought about it too with your parents
being involved as well too, that Miners saying that your
mom was one of the main interesting participants in Survivors
of their show back from the nineteen nineties.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I mean, that was definitely work right there, very very important.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Yeah, I mean I don't know exact number of people
that they interviewed, but she was one of them, and
so she made the cut. I have a copy of
that that that disc I need to look at that
again before before discs become obsolete too, you know, but yeah,
she was a part of that. My mom and dad
were both especially my mom, she was a big Holocaust educator,
and they were very active and respected in the medical community,
(09:24):
the Jewish community, the general community. And then she talked
a lot about history and not only the Holocaust, but
also the Communists and repressive regimes regimes in general. For
the Hungarians, they didn't get a break for you know,
one hundred years. And even now I'm questioning the rise
of anti Semitism is orbon friendly to the Hungarians, to
(09:45):
the Jewish people, because a lot of people weren't. Never
mind Hitler and and and the Aaro Cross for example,
the police, Hungarian police kind of like the Gestapo, worse
of the Jews than the Nazis themselves, and and well documented,
very horrible stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I was just thinking about too, talk about the Hungarian
Jews and during this torture for one hundred years, how
do you think this torture compares to other European countries,
like in like in England, or like in Scotland or France,
or of course you know Germany, or say with let's see,
you know, Finland or Sweden or any of the Jews
reciting in those areas, how much how much torture you think,
(10:23):
you know, compares to the other countries the other Jews
were in as well being perscu of the Holocaust.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Well, if you're talking about just if you're talking about world,
because I was thinking when you mentioned all these countries,
I'm thinking about today after October seventh, because what's going
on today is certainly comparable, which with what happened in
Europe in the thirties. Now, maybe it's not to the
same extent or the same scale, but it certainly could
turn quicker than that. And for us it's Judeo Christian enemies,
(10:49):
because it's the people that are the enemies. Now are
these the jihadists? You know, the extremists. So back then,
as far as statistics, I believe, and don't quote, I
think Poland and Russia had more people murdered during the Holocaust,
and I think Hungary was third or fourth. Oh wow,
And it was all in a matter of months. It
(11:10):
was an accelerated genocide, I mean. And this happened in
forty two also when the Germans were seemingly losing the
war or getting drilled. They that's why that's when they're
charged became accelerated to murder more people, and so unfortunately
for Hungary, and you know, they were almost due the
end of the war, but my dad was taken away
to forced labor camp in forty three and a couple
(11:32):
months later, soon his parents were taken to a ghetto,
a collecting place in their hometown, and then they were
all hauled off to Auschwitz. So and many were killed immediately.
My dad spot my dad knew my parents their destinies
in Auschwitz from another witness that he met months after
the war had ended. It's another miracle how we found out. So,
(11:53):
I mean, it's it's bad closure, but at least its closure.
And the good news was you know, I mean, I
can't say it's good news. But his mom didn't have
to suffer. She was taken right away to the gas
chambers with an orphaned child, unfortunately. And then his dadad
died about a week later, probably cholera. He was assigned
to clean out the stool the latrines from lavoxy. Really
(12:15):
not because he was a doctor. He said, well, I'm
a dentist. I could be useful. I'm a doctor, and
that's that's the best he got. So really not, you know,
really hirring stories. But if it were me, it'd be
better than starving for months and being tortured and slave
labored and humiliated. We've been talking about humilation a lot
in this journey too. It's a part of it. Nobody
(12:36):
deserves that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Of course, there may be think too about the treatment
the Hungarian Jews have endured as well too, Comparing you know, Poland,
Russia and all that. Why were the Hungarian Jews were
sort of targeted? What was the extreme hate about it?
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Well, I don't know if it's singled out to Hungarian Jews.
It's just Jews in general. I mean, if you were
a Jew, you were screwed. And it wasn't just it.
It wasn't just the Nazis. Even after World War One,
the Admiral Horthy was in charge, and the Jews thought
that he was not friendly to the religion, to the
to the race. And then there was the there's the
red tear, the white tear, pro communist, the anti communist.
(13:12):
You know, you need a program to keep track. But
no matter what, the poor people in that country thought,
you're a junior screwed. I mean they didn't there was
nobody that was friendly to them, and then of course
the rise of fascism, and then even after the Communists
took over, they were not they couldn't have Jewish weddings,
you know, very very strict, very repressive. And it was
(13:34):
true in Poland as well, all at Czech Czech Czech Republic,
but then Czechoslovakia, Romania. So you know, that's it brings
up another good point. If the United States had rescued
Hungary rather than Russia, I probably wouldn't be here. I'd
probably be I would have been raised in Hungary democratic society,
and if I was lucky getting the medical school there
and lived there all my life. But that's but that's
(13:55):
not what happened.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You talked about US saving Russia and South Hungary as well.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Was it basic behind US committed to save the Russians
Jews instead of Hungary?
Speaker 6 (14:05):
Just maybe think of it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Oh, I don't know. I mean, it's just they divided
and conquered. I mean, I'm not a I'm not a
huge I know my little corner of history, but there
are certain parts of history, like the war part. I'm
not real familiar with the battles or the strategies. Truthfully,
but yeah, Americans had their hands full trying to rescue
the West, right, helping with England, France, Germany, Austria, as
(14:27):
it turns out, you know, neighboring neighboring Hungary. So it
was that close that they could have. And meanwhile the
Soviets they helped free up of course Poland and Hungary
checked Czechoslovakia, and it's just the way it worked. And
then in the East, you know, in the Pacific I
should say that is the Pacific East or West, I
don't know, obviously America, but we had our allies of
(14:47):
course too. So Italy bailed early, and that's a that's
a bit. You know, all of Europe got hit in
World I was just came from Corfu, for example, one
of the Greek islands. Two thousand Jewish people died at Auschwitz.
They were they were all the way from the Greek Islands,
all the way to Auschwitz, if you can believe that.
So it's an eye opener. And other eye openers. When
(15:08):
we talk about pets, pets in the Holocaust, we don't
really talk and women's slave laborers Hungarian women's slave labors
in the Holocaust, which is an eye opener. I don't
know that much about it, but it's and we don't
talk about in the book, but it's it's definitely a
topic as well, something.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
To And how about child labor as well too?
Speaker 3 (15:25):
You talk about you know, you know, pets being slave women,
force in labor.
Speaker 6 (15:29):
What about the children, No doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
You know, we've all seen Schindler's List, and you see
what that's about.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
I've seen that. I was just.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
That movie. If my Dad's story ever became a movie,
it would be Schindler's List on steroids because the escapes
would make it. It would make it even more so.
But they're seeing that movie after doing this book versus
before it. There are so many comparisons. And I talked
about this a few weeks ago with another host, and
we compare a lot of the stuff that very comparable
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nineteen forty one Poland with what happened in forty three
forty four Hungry. But yeah, child child labor was a
part of it. Clothes collecting, collecting suitcases and collecting the
brick of brac out of the suitcases, saving whatever, all
kinds of things they were put to work. You know,
my dad was a kid when he was in forced
labor camp. He was what twenty one twenty two, never
(16:21):
lived outside of the house, never worked, had to work
a manual labor or hard in his lifetime, and all
of a sudden he's put into a forced labor camp.
So that saved his life because he was useful, because
he was a young man who could work. And you know,
five percent of those slave labors survived, which is a
remarkable number if you think about it, because thousands have
been So my dad was one of them because he
(16:42):
was on the run or hiding at the end of
the war, so he was not. The rest of them, unarmed,
were treated as POWs. So just because they were a
part of the paramilitary, very sent.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
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twenty miracles and everything like that. Or cover some of
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We're here at the amazing author and neuro radiologist attend
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her dad as well to for Escapes and twenty Miracles
and you know.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Talk about one of the forestscapes as well. We like
to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
I'd be happy to well. His first was definitely harrowing
and and it was towards the end of the war.
My dad just had a foot foot infection and he
went to a He had to walk to the hospital,
which is who knows how long how far away our
hours and hours walk to the hospital it was with
the cleanliness in the hospital was horrific. The doctor who
(19:40):
saw him said to him, well, it doesn't really matter
if I treat your foot or not. You're going to
be dead soon, That's what I Can you imagine your
doctor actually saying.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
That to you, So probably for insurance purposes nowadays or
BOYD malpractice.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
It's the two options. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah, yeah, now you got a twenty page you get
these twenty page contracts that you don't know, nobody wants
to earn, can't understand even if you do. In Michael anyway,
there was none of that. There was just men and marching.
So he gets back to the in the middle of
nowhere Carpathian mountains or and it's cold, it's it's winter,
and he and his friend Frank, who had been with
(20:15):
him in the forced labor camp throughout and they've been
to multiple spots and it was very harrowing getting urinated
on while digging ditches, getting shelled at by Russian planes
even though these guys were unarmed. Some of the stories
of the people getting injured a musician, for example, very sad,
tragic story, professional musician. Needless to say, they thought that
they were on the death march. There wasn't a lot
(20:37):
of information, but they thought they were on a death march,
like we all know about them from Okinawa and the Pacific,
but we don't talk about them for these forced labors.
So they really thought. So they had about a three
day window to escape, had to get off, and they
marched in line, and they waited till dusk and then boom,
they took off like on the count of three. And
you know, Chris Berman, rumbling, stumbling, bumbling in the wintry
(21:00):
thicket with maybe a backpack and just getting the hell
out of there, so that they'd hide somewhere in the
shrubs in an area that they didn't know at all,
in the mountains. So a third guy follows him. He
wasn't part of the plan, but a third guy follows him.
He gets caught and can imagine hiding in the thicket
and hearing the guards beating him, you know, and the
dog's barking, and you got away and this guy didn't.
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It turns out this guy survived though, if I remember correctly,
they out after the fact, so amazing that they didn't
kill him, you know, and that so and he and
his friend Frank, they were supposed to split up. A
little miracle about that story too, but they ended up
meeting back up after escaping and hiding for hours in
the dark in the shrubs, finally making their way down
(21:42):
the mountain find you know, the railroad tracks head toward Budapest,
which is scary enough because we talk about the end
of the light at the end of the tunnel. Well,
what is that? I mean? So you escaped, you're you're
free for ten minutes, but you don't know where your
next meal is coming from. You don't know where you're
going to be sleeping. You have a job, you've got
the yellow so stupid yellow bands on, so you could
get hunted anyway, every time a train goes by. You've
(22:04):
got to hide, you know, and you're pretty much hiding
until the end of the war. But and also with that,
they didn't know who if it depended who won the war,
if the Germans or the or the the Hungarians or
the United States. You know, if they ended up in Austria,
but the Germans win the war, they're probably worse off
than they were in Hungary. So they had that unknown
too amazing story and they got away from the they
(22:25):
and then they got double crossed once in Budapest. They
had some a lot of friendly people helping them, but
not everybody. So so some truck driver takes the he
double crosses them. He takes them to what they call
the dog pound, where they collected escape forced labors. So
now they're they're imprisoned again and they're thinking they're going
to die or get tortured or get sent back to
(22:46):
a place that was worse than they were. They escaped.
It was right, It was unbelievable. That story, the split
second timing, you know, brains and balls, sorry, that's what
it was. And and the luck of the lord, and
they got out and right in front of Ninezzi headquarters
between guards. Amazing escape and that one I forgot about
the first time I read it. And then once when
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he was a METS student under a communist Hungary, he
was tired of the communists. You know, he got to
finally get into medical school, but he hated the communist system.
So he escaped. He got out and arguing with an
armbrushing soldier. Cloak and dagger stories, there was many of
the cloak and dagger stories too, and that's he got away.
I mean, he got through, but he changed his mind.
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He was for fear of reprisal. And then finally with
my mom, a very harrowing escape when they left in
fifty six after the Hungarian Revolution. Mom was a MET
student at the time. She never got to finish, she
never got to go back. My dad was an obgyn
by now, but he had to double down as a
trauma surgeon. The Hungarian Revolution. Not a lot of people
talk about or know about three thousand people died, fourteen
thousand injured, a lot of young that's on both sides,
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a lot of young women and children who actually started
the conflict, and of course the young soldiers at the
Russians sent in with many many tanks. The Hungarians couldn't
win that war at all, but it was a two
week war and then there were a lot of casualties, refugees,
and a lot of destruction. Mom and Dad were front liners.
She ran the blood bank while he doubled down as
a trauma surgeon. And after all that, they said enough
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is enough. Two wars, another repressive regime. They were closing
the borders. The people that really wanted freedom were getting out,
and my mom and dad risked their lives to do that.
And very harrowing story, anti Semitism all the way to Austria,
anti Semitic remarks, and believe it or not, a priest
helped them with that last escape and at the risk
(24:31):
of losing his own life. And so a lot of
great stories, a lot of sad stories, no sugarcoating, you know,
we're just telling it like it is. And like a
friend of mine says, if Dad said that, that's what happened.
Then that's what happened, you know, and denial that there's
deniers out there nine to eleven and the Holocaust it happened.
There's enough evidence. The Nazis were unbelievably meticulous about the evidence.
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You know, they take a lot of photographs and send
them home. This is what we're doing every day, you know,
and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So it's kind of their social media in a sense too.
Hey look what I did, Look who I killed, Look
look what I can do. Look at this mom and
all that.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
So that's Sarah, Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
And you know when I think about it's funny you
mention that because I think about the shoes on the Danube.
So the arrow cross is like to get stoppa. They're
the police, these idiots that you treat the Jews were
So twenty one thousand people died in two months, shot
to shot in cold blood on the Danube, and that
makes me think, you know, there's no witnesses, there's no lawyers,
there's no courtroom, there's no social media or TikTok or
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it's just then the witness was the next victim. So
who are you gonna tell? So that was very a
horrible story, and there was no reason for that at
the end of the war. It was really at the
end of the war for Hungary. It wasn't like in
Schindler the exact opposite, where all the German soldiers leave
Schindler's factory and go home, even though he really invites
them literally to kill all those survivors. And boy, would
(25:58):
I be nervous if I were in that situation. But
they left, but that didn't happen in Hungary.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I was just going to ask you about comparing Schindler's
List to with Hunger, and I think you pretty much
answer that question. And maybe if he did see Shindless List,
was anything that was inaccurate about what happens well too
compared to what actually happened.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Well, I'm not a big historian about the history of Poland,
but in funny they mentioned Hungary late late into the movie,
because so they're moving along into forty three forty four
towards the end, and now the Hungarians are going through
what the Polish people had to go through. But how
about this mental torture when this this guy, one of
the I think he was the rabbi, he's not making
(26:38):
enough trinkets in the factory, so goth Is he takes
him outside in the to the yard and he's gonna
shoot him in the head, and his gun won't go.
His gun gets jammed, and then he takes his other
gun and he gets jammed. This is in the movie.
And then he gets one of his colleagues, an other
officer's gun, and that gets jammed. So the poor guy
is on his knees, he's got his head to sideways
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and he could have been shot, you know. And and
the guy then he just kicks him in the head
or he butts him in the head with the gun
and lets him live. I mean, talk about that kind
of trauma. And then ironically, when they when they hung off,
same thing happened. They had a hard time getting the
step stool out from under his feet, so they would
hang and so he had to experience the same thing
in a similar degree. Well, when my dad was in
(27:21):
forced labor camp, there was a drunk guard, a drunk officer,
excuse me, and somebody was out of line or said
something or we're talking when they weren't supposed to. And
he said, look, you guys are going to tell me
who the perpetrator is or I'm going to shoot one
out of every tenth one of you, and so you
know you're you're secretly counting.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
One through ten like a Russian in a sense, it's a.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Russian roulette, exactly right, It's a Russian roulette. And the
guy he never never came through with the with the
threat so unbelievable. So nobody got killed, but they went
out of ten guys. All these guys thought, well, it
could be me. So it's the same kind of thing.
It's that mental anguish that people have even though you
know you weren't directly you're humiliated, but you're not exactly
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hurt or killed, but you But that's something I would
take with me for a long time. Another thingler is
in the gas chambers. You know the scene when they
think they're in the gas chamber, but they're actually in
a big shower. And I picture my grandmother going into
the chambers and they drop probably cyanide gas and all
you sees a little hole and you're gone in a
in a couple of minutes, I mean. And so that
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it's hard when I visit the Holocaust museums, I can't
even get into those trains because I feel it, you know,
it's just it's a different type of claustrophobia. It's just
it's just it's something that I can look at them,
and I can look at the pictures and read the history.
But for me, the trains are another thing. And that
was a similar That's a scene that kind of saund
with me.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And maybe think at Shindler's List. They're literally stripped of
everything and stripped of humility, just stripped all over.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
I could these images life.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Oh my gosh, you know.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Well that's not right, and so over my parents they
lost their house, they lost their belongings. Read along this journey.
I don't know if the right number, but at least
one hundred and fifty thousand, maybe it's three fifty pieces
of art stolen from Hungary, which is it's unreal. Some
of it got recovered, a lot of it didn't. Financial
retribution that's still been I mean, that's still going on.
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My mom had a little bit of that from the
German government and from the Hungarian government. It wasn't that much,
but I'm sure for my mom it was a huge
personal victory, you know, because she was in hiding the
whole time. Throughout the war. So she was lucky to survive,
but not as exciting as my dad's story was, but
certainly fearful. She was a young kid. My dad was
twenty one, twenty two.
Speaker 6 (29:34):
She was ten or eleven at the time, so oh wow,
okay during the.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Wars, Yeah, they were eleven years apart.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So that's a big difference as well. And of the
four escapes, what was the escape that got your dad
and mom and t us That was.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
The fourth escape through the Yeah, they were closing down
the roads. There were Russian planes overhead with lights on
and flares and everything to see. The Russians weren't stupid.
They knew people were trying to leave, so they're chopping
down big trees to block the roads. But one of
their nights they were trying to escape, and there was
a baby crying, and my dad had some sedation, and
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he gives the baby sedation with the parents permission, and
it works for like an hour, and then the baby's
got this paradoxical the crying and the screaming. So they
had to cancel a night, I mean so, and they
weren't gonna they couldn't take a chance, and so then
the next night they attempted to escape again, and this
time without the kid. But another miracle they found out
I don't know how after the fact that that kid
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and the family made it and they escaped and got
through and not ever run into the United States, some
state in Europe. Lot went to Israel, Canada, Sweden, you know, Scandinavia, astore.
Another great little story. The priest that helped them, my
mom and dad sent them sent the parish money once
a year at Christmas time. Nice thanks of him helping them.
(30:53):
And I think that's a great story. And then one
day they got they got the check back or a
letter saying that the demand had passed away. So another
great story too. So border guards they had no money
to get to Vienna. They say, look, they borrow. They
bribe the border guards with bottles of rum, two bottles
of run.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Yeah, we going, And so they get drunk.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, and they're talking about how Hitler was good and all.
They're more anti Semitism. And my mom and dad, believe me,
they wanted to argue with them, but they knew better,
Why you've gone this far, Let's just get the hell
out of here. Let's go. But they convinced them to
lend them some money so that they could just get
the train or the bus just so they can get
into Vienna. And then they were good. My mom's stepfather
waiting there for them, and they did. They actually and
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my mom and dad paid them back. So it's part
of integrity, which we talked about in the book presentations determination, determination, hope, integrity, fear,
freedom and obviously and ultimately determination. And uh and what
was the word I'm thinking I'm baking on the last word.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
It'll come to me already, meant, I'm sure will. And
what was the city you asked that your mom and
dad end up in? Of course he had the immigration
wave from up they'll end up in Ellis Island. What
was the city in the US that your mom and
dad end up in the first city you know, you.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Know your history, so yes, same thing. They end up
in New York City, Ellis Island. She met her father,
her strange father, already divorced and remarried to save the
family name during the Holocaust and afterwards, and he was
in Providence, Rhode Island, but he drove to New York
City to meet them. The red tape was relatively benign
because my mom was a med student, my dad was
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a doctor, and he picked them up in New York
City and that part two of this book, the story
would be from Vienna tell probably the seventies if we
ever do that, but it won't be as important as
the book we did. But strange she hadn't seen her
dad in eighteen years and they had a flat tire,
which is a funny story, and you know, I mean
I wanted to end the book with that that you know,
(32:53):
they just looked at the flat because now, like in
the Florida roads or in New York roads or whatever,
a flat tire would be just a devastating you know,
your day is ruined, right because it's it messes. But
for them, after everything they went through with flat tire,
you know, there was I don't think there was Triple
A in the fifties. Maybe there was, but they took
care of that. And then they went to Providence, Rhode
Island for a while, and it was hard for him.
(33:14):
They didn't speak much English, they were bored, they weren't
getting along with the new wife, and they didn't know
where they were going. So I believe it or not,
my dad got a residency at the Beth Israel, a
Harvard affiliate, which I couldn't get into any Harvard residency
in any specialty. But it's amazing she's taking you know,
elementary school in high school English, redoing his residency in
(33:36):
Obgyn and Boston. So they moved to Boston, and then
when they were done, there were no jobs in Boston
lay fifties early sixties, so they end up in Detroit
for a couple of years, and then in sixty two
they came out to suburbia. They saw the urban blight coming,
they saw the uprising of the unrest, and I'm sure
they weren't afraid, but it was like, really, do we
(33:57):
need more civil unrest and riots We've already.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Right, Yeah, And of course, you know, especially with all
the the the African Americans from the South coming up
to Detroit in the first place, with better opportunities because
the cotton industry had pretty much dried up, and you know,
Motown started and everything like that, and about your dad,
you know, you know, being obe later.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Establishing you know further in the US.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
How is that that system compared to hungering and compared
to us in terms of education, the health and situation
and everything like that, how did how did it compare
to Hungary to us with his ob experience.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Well, that's such a great question and that would be
an our answer. But first on that the cotton versus
the automotives. Then the seven is we had to the
recession because the oil, the oil industry was booming and
the car industry was being replaced with the Japanese and
then then later the Korean. So so that's part of Detroit.
That was part of Detroit's problem. Obviously, I still consider
myself a Detroiter. One thing I got to say about
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the healthcare, and I can't speak. While my dad was
well regarded as an excellent surgeon, so you know whoever
trained him, and he loved delivering babies and he would
have worked till the day he died. So whoever trained
him in Hungary really knew what they were doing. Because
now the technology has always been ahead in the United
States and even more so now. But with that has
been healthcare expenses. Of course, the hospital that he worked at,
(35:22):
it was my dad being Jewish. Ironically, it's a it
was Saint Mary's, so it was a It was a
private Catholic hospital that had its own church. Had its
own monastery and nunnery. It was amazing place. I got
to work there for a couple of years as a kid.
And my dad had mitral stenosis because he had rheumatic
fever as a kid, so it ended up affecting one
(35:45):
of his heart valves mitrol stenosis, and there were no
because there were no antibiotics at the time, back when
he was a kid. And if he didn't come to
the United States, he probably would have lived till maybe
fifty five sixty. He lived to seventy four, but he
had two open heart surgeries at the clinic. One was
for the micro valve replacement and a bypass, which I
don't think Hungary had yet, maybe they did in the
(36:07):
late seventies. And then he had the valve perforate. It
was a poor scene valve of pig valvet pers rate perforated,
so it's another adventure. My dad had to go through
the sides. Everything else was two open heart surgeries. But
if he didn't come to the US and go to
the top place like the Cleveland Clinic, his life expectancy
would have been much less.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
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Not a Real Enemy and just a couple of things,
maybe some up the title of not a Real Enemy?
And uh, you know, just how'd you come up with
the name?
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I forgot to ask you that earlier?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Great question.
Speaker 6 (38:53):
No, man, I show the book, absolutely, show it all
you want. It's your Times reflection.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Sorry about the award there, four awards. I can't believe it.
I mean again, it's about the team, and it doesn't
mean anything if it doesn't help me with the fight
against anti Semitism. But not a Real Enemy The true
story of Hungarian Jewish Man's fight for freedom. Four Escapes,
twenty Miracles, Adventure history book. I'm serious about fighting anti
(39:19):
Semitism here in my own little way. I'm doing a
lot of these podcasts. If you want to help me
with it. I can't fight anti Semitism myself, so please
reach out, do reviews, more podcasts, book presentations. I don't
say no to anything. I'm on social media across the board.
Rob Wolf on Meta or Not a Real Enemy by
Robert Wolf as my Facebook author page. I'm on x,
(39:40):
I'm on Instagram, LinkedIn, TikTok, and blue Sky, so jump along.
I don't just post about the book. We just got
back from Europe and it was a great trip. I
posted beautiful photos from that. Very privileged and grateful to
do that. A couple of years ago, I was in Israel.
I love your King David, excavating the King David's palace,
(40:03):
one of them in Jerusalem, and it's a beautiful site.
Israel is an amazing country. They say every Jewish person
to go to Israel. I say everyone should go to Israel.
So I mean until October seventh, the tolerance was there.
We did a lot of Judeo Christian visiting and a
lot of and Islamic as well, and it was well integrated.
So that's what I'm trying to do, is like my parents,
(40:24):
is get us to be more integrated, to understand other
people's personalities, other people's their cultures and religions, and be neighborly,
because life is short and we have such little time
on this planet, so make the most of it. Stop
hating love people, change your vector if you don't like
what you're at, what you're doing, and realize what happened
(40:44):
to my dad could happen to any one of us,
anyone of any time, natural disaster or war, foreign government,
local government, bad neighbor, a bad business deal. Appreciate what
we have in this country. Because this book is about
the dark world, and it exists, and it exists now
in a different way, but the song remains the same.
Speaker 6 (41:04):
And what can people more learn from the book? Say again,
what can people more learn from the book?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Well, besides the history of Hungary and about the Holocaust
and anti Semitism, the messages are clear, integrity, determination, the
question for freedom, resilience. Redemption is the word I was
looking redemption. So and we we all go through hard
times in our life. And this is such an inspiring
(41:31):
and such an inspiring story that it made me. It
changed my life. And when I get people to tell
me how it changed the way they look on life,
then I will have done my job. So you learn
a little bit about everything, and I get such great feedback.
A lot of people say it should be a movie.
I kind of agree, but I'm biased and we'll see.
I mean, Tom Cruise plays my dad, four time escape artists,
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a lot of running scenes.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Just like just like Mission Impossible to Mission Impossible one
hundred Hungarian.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, why not not a real enemy instead? Do something different, Tom, Plus,
you'll help with the fight against anti Semitism. Tom Hanks
plays one of the nicer guards in the labor camp,
if you could call him that. Steven Spielberg directs the movie,
but he's done. I've already reached out, sent him a
query letter. I got a nice letter back, but he's
done with that. Between Schindler and the show a movie,
and I don't know, it's just a it's been a
(42:24):
journey that I never thought I would be on. It's
been a great it's been a great learning experience. It's
wonderful meeting new people, and I highly recommend that too.
It's another way to just meet people like you. And
I'm going to Vegas for a live in studio podcast
coming up, which is so exciting, nice that kind of thing.
So that's you know, Vegas was fun. I'm meeting new
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people and continuing with the message. And I appreciate you being.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And certainly great as well. And you're well established great
and I appreciate as well too. Where can you find
your book at, Robert?
Speaker 4 (42:58):
Okay, the book is available not a real enemy, on Amazon,
Barnes and Noble. If it's not in your local store,
it's online and Barnes and Noble, Walmart. My undergrad alma mater,
Tough Stuffs University. And it's also available at four Holocaust museums,
the Zeckelman in Michigan, the Mothership, the United States Holocaust
Memorial Museum in Washington, d C. I've done a couple
(43:19):
of book signings there, the Illinois Holocaust Museum and Tolerance Center,
I think that's right, and Education Center excuse me, and
then the Holocaust Memorial and Tolerance Center of Nassau County,
which I recently did at presentation there. So ye seek
and you shall find. It's there.
Speaker 6 (43:37):
It's out there, and you got and what's your website
in the meantime.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Oh, I appreciate that, Robert Jwolf MD dot com. And
I have a YouTube channel too, so there's.
Speaker 6 (43:48):
Okay, all right? Well, so only checked out as well too.
Here with the amazing multi tenant Robert Right.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
And we're here at the amazing Robert Wolf of now
real enemy, here the Mike Waders show Roberts just a
few more things. What else can we expect me twenty
twenty five young besides going to Vegas afterwards?
Speaker 6 (44:04):
I think afterwards? What's that?
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Well, I'm always queering. So my granddaughter, excuse me, My
granddaughter just graduated valedictorian of her class.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
So nice.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
So that's cool. So I'm going up to Massachusetts for
that and in her graduation party, and it's my birthday eighteen.
And then I'm going to Michigan for my forty fifth
year class reunion and hopefully I'll get a book presentation
there in my hometown. When I did one a little
while ago, a couple of years ago, we sold out,
We sold out the books, we packed the place, so
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great hometown that's in Michigan. I'm in talks with Yale
from the Yale alumni, so I might get a book
talk through them. I just got off of a cruise
and I'm doing a book podcast in a couple of
weeks through the cruise through Seaborn, and they might give
me two more book presentations in and in Atlanta. So
I'm busy, you know, Like I said, I don't say
(44:56):
not anything, and you never know what's going to come up.
I still try to reach out to people that don't
know about the book, and more importantly just helping the
fight against hate.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
And I think that's a great message. Or spraying doing
a great job. Robert, And who do you consider biggest
influence in your career?
Speaker 4 (45:14):
My dad would be one. There's one hundred people. I mean,
Gordon Za is a neuroate al cel, fantastic guy. He's retired.
Now I can go back, you can go back to
elementary school Mspagin. There's so many. You know, the movie
Apocalypse Now reducts the Apocalypse Now is a great influencer
and a motivator while I was doing this project. It's
(45:34):
another twenty minute discussion. But a great Heart of Darkness
was the book. We read that in high school and
that was the beginning of that, you know, that was
where the story. There was other influencer as so many,
I mean the sports influences, Barry Sanders, Joe Dumar's, the
guys that are class class acts. While they're so talented,
(45:55):
but they're they're modest people. And by the way, we
should be following more Gandhi and Moses and Noah and
Jesus rather than listening to the other idiots that are
they're promoting hate and all the other bs that's caused
the cause murders. And we're following the wrong people sometimes.
And that's another.
Speaker 3 (46:13):
And of course it's sports figures as well, to alat
back in your days with the Red Wings, like Steve
Eiserman or like with who do we cover? Let's see
the type? Yes, class X and d Kirk Gibson. I
mean you can do all the flashbacks you want. I
mean just amazing stuff. And lastly, what's the best advice
you can give the aim by at this point.
Speaker 4 (46:33):
You can there's no substitute for experience. As we say
in radiology, you can learn something for every case. Realize
that every case is a person, it's not a case.
But you can there is no substitute for experience. Be
a team player. If you don't like what you're doing,
change vectors, pivot, you know, write a book, write a poem,
go to the library, volunteer at the hospital, like give
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your buy your neighbor a cup of coffee and spend
more time with your family, give back to the community.
Those are all all things that you can do, and
then reach out to government to find out what they're
doing about local hate and make sure that you're protected.
At least the guns aren't pointed at us right now,
and I hope it stays that way.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
And I think that's great advice as well too, in
times like these. Robert Sad's very good advice. We're here
with author Robert Wolf. Amazing Robert Wolf of not a
Real Enemy here on Mike Weners Show. Robert, very big,
thanks you, time, bban as fantastic, learned a lot looking
forehandn soon keeps up today, keep in touch, lave abe
back and what's your website? How do people contact you?
Bring people purchase or check out your book? Thank you sir,
(47:34):
Thank you, and what's your website again?
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Oh, Robert J. Wolf MD dot com. If you google
Robert J. Wolf, MD or not a Real Enemy, you
will find me.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Certainly we'll do as well.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Once again, Robert, very big, thanks you, time, de Ben
abs amazing looking forehandn soon keeps up today, keep in touch,
lave avy back. We wish out best and Robert, you
definitely have a great fitch to have you.
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