September 24, 2025 • 44 mins
NJ author/proud ’88 graduate of US Naval Academy Darren Ault talks about his latest release “Out of Bounds” taking on the growing issue of parental interference drawing from real-life experiences, extensive research, and explores how well-meaning parents sometimes cross the line impacting coaches, referees, and most importantly-the kids! Darren is a 6-year US Navy veteran with honorable service as Lieutenant on active duty, also a successful sales leader with 28+ years experience from startups to Fortune 500 companies, also a trusted coach & advisor to team members and clients, and shares the stories of his experiences and more! Check out the amazing Darren Ault and his latest release on all major platforms today! #podmatch #darrenault #newjersey #author #outofbounds #patcraft #basketball #usnavalacademy #usnavy #parentalinterference #salesleader #fortune500 #spreaker #iheartradio #spotify #applemusic #youtube #anchorfm #bitchute #rumble #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnerdarrenault #themikewagnershowdarrenault
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Today we're here with a trifi gentleman who's an author
and of proud graduate at the US Naval Academy, graduating
eighty eight and a six year US Navy veteran with
honorable service as lieutenant on active duty. Also successful sales
leadership with twenty years experience from Starts of Fortune five hundred.
A dynamic leader and trusted coach and adviser to team
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members and clientcies hat Craft Prow.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He's got a new book out which takes on the
growing issue of parental interference, drawn for real life experiences,
including extensive research and exploring the well meeting parents of
March called out of Bounds. Live Ladies and Gentlemen of
plus Dues and beautiful Mammouth County, New Jersey. The amazing
author PROG Graduate of the US Naval Academy and the
author of the book out of Bounds, the multi talented
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Darren Oh Derek, Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Thank you, Mike, thanks for having me on. I'm looking
forward to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
What it's great to have you on board as well too.
And of course team being out of bounds. It's the
NBA Finals and you know people out there, I think
you need to listen up for you kids with basketball,
baseball and everything like that. You're an author, PROG Graduate
the US Naval Academy, graduating eighty eight six year US
Navy veteran Honorable Services, a lieutenant on active duty. You
have successful sales leadership twenty eight years experience, dynamic leader,
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trusted coach and advisor to team members and clients. You
have a new book takes on the growing issue of
air ferns in sports baseball, football, basketball, hockey and a
kind of sport and basically just impacting coaches, referee and
the players alike.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It's called out of Bounds for getting all that. Darren
tell US. I first got started.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I got started with the book.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I gotta start with your career overall, so go way back.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah. Well, I'm originally from California. I was born and
raised in the San Francisco Bay Area, and then you know,
bounced around a little bit in northern California as my
mother was doing her best to raise three children by
herself and then did a great child but that took
her to different locations throughout northern California. And then eventually
got the inkling to apply to the United States Naval Academy.
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And quite honestly, it came from me as a pesky
little brother, poking around in my older brother's room and
I found a catalog for Annapolis, and as I'm looking
through it, it just dawned on me that that was
the place for me. So I applied to one college
and it was the United States Naval Academy, and I
was fortunate enough to get in partially due to my
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father's service he was a Pearl Harbor survivor. And then
actually that allowed me to apply for and I got
the presidential nomination from President Reagan, and then eventually got
in on my congressman's nomination Congressman Champion out of northern California.
So I got on a plane, flew at seventeen years old,
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flew three thousand miles away sight unseen to the Naval Campemy,
and embarked on that magnificent journey that eventually led me
to be a naval officer like you mentioned. For six years,
and unfortunately, I had a high frequency hearing loss in
my left ear, which disqualified me from flying. So I
spent my six years in trying to figure out how
to stay in. But as I was married at the
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time and had three young children, I started to think
I might need to do something else, you know, as
I couldn't find a true career path. So I got out,
moved to New Jersey, where my wife is from, and
we raised our three children together, and I started to
work for a gentleman in the corporate interiors world. His
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name was Howard Burkois. He's a class of fifth seven
from the Naval Academy. Oh wow, okay, and he hired
me coming out of the Navy as a junior salesperson.
And I knew nothing about office furniture, which is what
he was selling. But that's what got me into the
corporate interiors world and then eventually fast forward to twenty
eight years later, I'm on the flooring side of it,
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working for Accraft, which is a division of Shaw Industries
Berkshire Hathaway Company.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
That is certainly amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You're going from the northern California to the Academy and
per twenty eight years and in your service of twenty
eight years, were some of the missions that you have
gone on? Where have you gone all over the world
and everything, and maybe some of your highlights as well,
maybe some stories you want to share in the Navy.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sure, so my naval career outside of the Naval Academy
was only six years. The twenty eight years was more
on the sales side of things. But during my six years,
like I said, with the first big adversity that had
hit me with the hearing loss and derailing me from
going to be a pilot, which was my lifelong ambition,
I started to figure out ways to stay in the military,
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and once I found a direction, I actually ended up
being transferred to the Naval Academy Prep school in Newport,
Rhode Island, and it was there that my basketball journey
actually began. As an assistant coach for the men's program,
which was just it was a collateral duty for me,
which was meaning it wasn't my main job, but it
was something I did to help out the school and
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the young men who were playing the sport at the time.
So but I got the bug. I was bitten then,
and you know, I spent time four years at the
Naval Academy coaching and teaching Naval Academy prep school, getting
young men and women ready for either the Naval Academy,
the Coast Guard Academy, or the Merchant Marine Academy. And
then after there I was transferred to the Bureau Personnel
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in Arlington, Virginia, and that's where I spent the rest
of my time again trying to figure out if I
could how I could stay, and when I ran out options,
I jumped out. But honestly, you know, things happened for
a reason. It was definitely frustrating at the time because
my ambition was to be a career naval officer. But
I've been able to carve out a really nice career
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in the corporate civilian world and have met a lot
of challenges and had a lot of success and learned
from a lot of failures. Along the way as well.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Of course you've had some success being a leader, trusted
coach and advisor and everything like that.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
You know startups.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You worked with Office Furniture Fortune five hundred and how
about some of their ventures have you been in.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, So it's funny that you wouldn't think office furniture
or corporate interiors or flooring where I've spent the last
twelve years, is all that exciting. But it is really
a neat business that the whole corporate interiors world, because
every day is different. You have a wonderful opportunity to
engage a lot of different people, whether they're architect and designers,
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or if they're dealers and distributors of your products, or
directly with the end users of companies of all shapes
and sizes across multiple segments, education, healthcare, corporate, et cetera.
And so you get the opportunity to really engage a
lot of different people to face different challenges. And while
it may not be saving the world or brain surgery,
it is still nonetheless important to the day to day
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operations of the people we serve. So in a larger way,
it gives me the opportunity to continue to be of
service to others, which is really one of the important
attributes when I was in the Navy that drew me
to the Navy to begin with.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And of course you also have been coaching as well too.
And how'd you first get interested in basketball? Were you
playing as basketball? You know, growing up in northern California?
At what point were you playing basketball?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah? So I think basketball was kind of my sport.
I will be very honest in saying I was a
jack of all trades, master of none when it came
to athletics, primarily because unlike today, I played all the
different sports and I enjoyed all the different sports. So
I never really devoted the time or the individual training
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or things like that to develop any one mastery of sport.
But basketball was always the thing I was attracted to.
I'm six six, I was tall when I was younger,
you know, and it was it was a sport that
that elevated the concept of team, which I was always
attracted to. Had some good young coaches when I should
say good coaches when I was younger that had a
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lasting impression on me. And I wanted to kind of
turn that around and give back in that respect. So
played played early on, played in high school, tried to
walk onto the Naval Academy team. Picked a bad time
to do that, as David Robinson was just as solid
I was that, yeah, And there were quite a few
other really good players on that team, Vernon Butler, Carl Lever,
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Doug Wojik who's now the assistant coach at Michigan State,
cliff Rest classmate of mine who was the only one
of my classmates who ended up being on the team
all four years. But a really dynamic team. And you know,
being my height in the area I was by default,
I was either a four or five on the court,
but I was a skinny kid. And when I came
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to the Academy and I looked at the five spot,
of course David was there. And I looked at the
four spot and there was a Vernon was there and
he was six eight two sixty five and I was
six six of buck eighty five.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
So that was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah. And our shooting guard, our shooting guard or forward
was Kyler Whitaker, and he was about my size, but
he could shoot. That was something I hadn't developed when
I was younger.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So Horse my favorite team's Corn up.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Uh. Well, I grew up a Lakers fan primary not
even having anything to do with California. When I was
a young lad, I read a book that had that
highlighted four athletes. One was Kareem Abdul Jabbar, one was
Roger Staubach, one was Bobby Orr and the other one
I was get this one confused either Pete Rose Johnny Bench,
but either way, it was one of the players on
the Big Red Machine. And in California at the time,
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it wasn't a whole lot to do with hockey, so
I focused on the other three individuals and started to
follow those teams. So I loved the Lakers, and of
course when Magic Johnson came out of Michigan State and
created the whole show time, that was a fun time
to be a Laker fan. Grew up Roger Staubach, Cowboys,
you know, Naval Academy connection, Tom Landry, uh you know
(11:28):
America's team. I was all in on the Cowboys and
still am. As you can tell from this.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I can tell you getting right for football season, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm always ready for football season. And then the Big
Red Machine. I just love the way they played. I
love Charlie Hussele. God rest his soul, you know, and
he should be in the Hall of Fame here shortly,
I hope. But I love that whole lineup, that whole
that whole lineup.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know, those are my two favorite players well too,
you ha, Don Gullett and you had a pairball ball bone.
I think you had what was it, Georgia Jack Billingham.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
That's another one.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Although I've been a Cub fan, we're getting killed by
those guys. It was just fun to watch at Cincinnati Club,
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So yeah, so that was a lot of fun. And
then later on the life, obviously, when when David Robinson
became a Spur, that shifted my allegiance to the Spurs
and stayed with them for a very long time. I
just enjoyed watching him and eventually Tim Duncan and managing
obly and you know, that whole that whole roster of
talented Spurs.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And of course great Papaved one of the best coaches
out there too, So you know he's one of the
best out there because you being a coach as well,
and you know, talk about some of the experiences too,
and of course what's going on with kids, parents, referees.
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He s able.
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We're Here's amazing author and proud graduate US Naval Academy.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Darren alt here on The Mike Wedners Show with Out
of Bounds and you talked about, you know, getting the
coaching basketball and everything else and the changing nature of
coaching and everything, and you know, Gabriuek Capbell, what was
that first moment that simply it got you into coaching basketball?
Speaker 5 (15:08):
What was that one moment that says I liked coach.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So it all started at the Naval Academy prep school.
I was an assistant at that point working under a gentlemen.
Tom Marriott, who was the head coach and then later
went on to coach both men and women at the
Naval Academy, so a really good person to be under
and to learn. And we had a one year program
of Naval Academy prep men who were trying to go
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to play at the Academy. Now some of them were
recruits and some of them were not. They just had
experience wanted to play, and that varied every year. We
sometimes we had ten recruits for Navy and sometimes we
had one or two. But the cool part about it
was we started over every year nice with the clean
slate and had the opportunity to learn about the players,
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to learn about, you know, to build relationships of trust
with them, to teach them about our program and how
to work together as a team. And as that started
to unfold and I got probably into my second year,
I said, you know, this is really fun. This is
fun to take young people and to have the opportunity
to be a positive influence on them and help them
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understand what their potential is, not only as an individual,
but more importantly in the team concept. So when I
got out of the Navy in nineteen ninety four, and
we moved back or moved to New Jersey where my
wife was from. My wife had got us enrolled in
the church in parish where she attended as a child,
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in the school that she went to as a child
called Holy Family in Hazlet, New Jersey, and I ended
up applying for I guess it was a volunteer position
or volunteering for the head coach's role in the seventh
and eighth grade boys team, And that's really where it
took off. That's where I really found the passion, my
desire to work with young people and continue to help
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them grow and prepare them as was the Academy's mission.
I took that to heart, which was morally, mentally, and
physically for that next step in life.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I think that's really great what you're doing as
well too. And of course, when you were being coached,
you're playing all the sports and everything like that. How
was it coaching back then compared to coaching now, especially
when when you were playing, How was it coaching back
then for you?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It was much much different, for sure, I would say
coaching teaching any of the authoritative figures I remember specifically
in classroom, I had a couple of teachers who were
One was a retired California highway patrol when he was
about six foot five and a big man. But that
didn't stop me from being a wise guy in class.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Once in a while.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
LUs got rested so many times because you wanted to write.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, but you know, he was not shy about dropping
people for pushups, and and now that would probably be
considered corporal punishment. But when you when you were told
to drop and give him twenty, you did not argue.
You dropped and gave him twenty. And they were well
earned push ups, I will say that. And then then
on the coaching side of it, you know, I had
wonderful coaches. They were great, you know, they I got
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to experience in four years, seventh and eighth grade and
then into high school. I got to experience a lot
of different coaching techniques, and you know, you kind of
cherry pick which ones you think are good, which ones aren't.
But they were tougher, they were strict. I remember my
freshman year in high school. We were zero and eleven
at the time and struggling. We had talent, but were
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struggling to build that chemistry on the court and our
coach got frustrated, so he took us outside to the
football field, which was covered with snow, and had us
run suicides from the five yard back, ten yard back,
fifteen back, and by the time we got to like
the forty yard line, people were dropping to the knees,
were sick, you know, peeking on the phone the football
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field again, something that would absolutely not fly today. But
we showed him. We went to eighteen and learned a
few lessons along the way.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I think there have been great experience as well too.
You're right, it had been a corporate punishment as well.
Of course you got parents referees. You know, nowadays we're
screaming and everything like that, but then back in the day,
it's like, you know, you know, the parents not got involved,
never tell you what to do, never told referees what
to do. It was just let them do their job.
But what point do you think might have happened that
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at what era? If it's like maybe nineties two thousand,
what point do you think around the year whatever that
you think that parents selling got involved, start telling coaches
what to do, Hey play my kid, or selling tell referees, hey,
you make the right calls. Don't get my kid, and
all of a sudden, everybody starts getting on them about hey,
they start controlling the game.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah. I think there's probably an element of that throughout
history of the game, but it got increasingly worse. And
where I started to notice it more specifically is when
I had begun to coach high school girls basketball at
the varsity level and again as the head coach, and
I was building a program at a high school here
in New Jersey called Modern Day. And I was probably
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about nine years in or eight or nine years into
an eleven year stint with Modern Day, and I began
to notice that the connection with some parents and it's
not all I want to be very clear about that.
The vast majority of interactions that I had with parents
was very positive, and parents that I will still see
today whose kids I coached thirty years ago, you know,
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and have a positive interaction. But it was the negative
ones that stood out because they became very heated, very intense,
you know, And I was trying to figure out what
is going on that all of a sudden people are
willing to go to these extreme levels in reference to
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the player coach relationship and how that should develop more organically,
and I started to think about it and actually at
that point started to make a few notes here and there,
just kind of outlining, trying to figure it out, put
the puzzle together in my head as to what was
going on. And that actually took me to the beginnings
of this book, where I went backwards from that point
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to when I was at Holy Family, when I was
at the Naval Academy prep school, you know, through the
high school days, and started to outline and come up
with these little stories around where I thought parents had
crossed that line between the player coach relationship. And I
did notice that it trended worse. It became more visceral,
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more angry as the years went on, and it certainly
that hasn't changed. It continues to get worse.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And of course you've done a lot of research as
well too.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I mean, the parents are well intended, y'all let them play,
But of course, you know, my experience is like, you know,
if there's a bad call, hey, it's a bad call,
but using people out there too, you don't just run
out those stands and they get really personal. I mean,
look at all the baseball stories that goes on as
well too. You know, players against coaches, umpires and everything,
and you see these brawls and everything.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
It's like it is getting worse.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, they're common decency, courtesy, decorum, those things have all
checked out somewhere along the lines. And you know, you
do see people I was I've witnessed to parents coming
down in the middle of the game and taking their
kid off a bench. You know that because they weren't
getting the playing time they thought the deserve, so they
they pulled their son or daughter away from the team
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that they were part of. And I don't think there's
any thought to the embarrassment or frustration that causes the kid.
It's just that that's what they're going to do at
that time. And you mentioned people going to blows. You know,
a couple of months ago here in New Jersey at
a wrestling tournament, it was really well documented in the
press where people in the stands and this is the
worst part. These are adults in the stands who will
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take liberty and feel like as if they are entitled
to say anything to anybody. So they're in the in
the stands throwing out derogatory terms to kids who are
competing on the mats. In that case for wrestling to
the point where the father of one of the wrestlers
you know, went up and asked people to stop throwing
out the term stop talking to the kids that way,
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And they started to get into a scuffle, and the
young man who was a wrestler on the team went
up in the stands and started to support his father,
and and so you know, it turned into a big
kerfuffle and a problem, and police were called and people
were escorted out in handcuffs. And for what reason? What
what is it that is that is so important or
that you feel as being your son or daughters being
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deprived of that would lead you to that point.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And also maybe think of the whole thing with with
then Tom, You're right, you cover that participation trophies. I
mean that's another big thing that just hit upon as well.
When we're competing you didn't win, it's like, hey, you
got there and try hard, you won the trophy, or
he won this because you earned it.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Now they're doing dished out like candy ands.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So do you think that's causing mentality of like, you know, hey,
I'm entoiled to do this.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I can do whatever I.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Want I do. I think the key word that you
just mentioned was entitled or entitlement that that seems to
have really been elevated to a different degree. You know,
I write about it several times in my book Where,
and the most notable one was the one that basically
ended my career as a coach, where a young lady
as a freshman, felt like she and her parents felt
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like she should be playing at the varsity level, and
so they took steps to when it wasn't shaping up
at the pace or at the level they wanted, they
took steps to remove me where you know, it perceived
obstacle to their daughter's growth and development, when the facts
were that if she if they had just allowed her
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to play out and mature and grow within a program,
she would have had a very successful high school career. Instead,
she four high schools in four years because she just
never was satisfied they weren't getting what they wanted. And
you know, any kid who goes from one place to
the other in four years time is going to have
a hard time adjusting and engaging with others. It was disappointing,
(25:16):
It was really disappointing to around that whole or centered
around that whole concept of entitlement that because you know,
because she's my daughter, because I pay for training, because
I do all these things to help her be play
basketball and get better at it doesn't mean she's going
to get better at the time or the speed that
you want her to. Uh. And and that's where you
have to as a parent, let go of the rains
(25:38):
and and trusting the coach and do your part to
understand what the program is all about and what the
pace is and and if anything, if you have a
question is what what can my child do to get better?
What do they need to do to be a better
contributor to your program?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And and also what came what came to mind too
that do you think there's a lot of press want
to come to society that I mean, you see all
these NBA players, you know, be recruited to like say,
go to college as a freshman or you know, play
for the Lakers like Lebron did. Do you think there's
that unrealistic pressure of you're fourteen years old, Hey deserve
(26:15):
to go to the NBA or you know, talk to
a fifteen year old girl who's like, what six', Five,
hey you're entitled to go to THE wnba do you
think that pressure of unrealism is being how SHOULD i,
say it's like just unrealistic putting unrealistic pressure on the
kids like.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That, YEAH i think there's an element to that. Mic
and the problem is kids put so much pressure on
themselves and now on top of that is being piled
on to the parent wants you to work out and
get prepared to go win a scholarship which to, college
which is it's a great, achievement but it's. Not everybody's
not going to do, that, Right so you really have
(26:57):
to commit yourself to the, time, effort and energy to
improve your game to the point where you can give a.
Scholarship and again that's that's a small percentage and then
people who move beyond that to the pros is about
one point three percent for men and less than one
percent for. Women so if you're setting your child up
to go pursue, this and there's absolutely nothing wrong with
(27:20):
striving for the best the best possible, outcome but there
also has to be a balance of realism to your
point that not everybody can do, that and if they
work their butt off and, miss they've still got a
really good career up to that. Point to be to
be grateful, for to be thankful, for and to feel proud.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
About they can also become assistant.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Coaches they could also be like you, know, Coaches they
could be, Trainers they could be you, know writers or
even say silent, reporters broadcasters and everything like. That and
that was SOMETHING i was reading, too that the lifespan
of of an average athlete used to be, like what
fifteen twenty, years it's cut down to like less than,
(28:05):
ten and it's got to point like cut down to.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Five.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
YEAH i think a lot of it depends on what you're.
Doing BUT i think if the beautiful part about being
an athlete is that the skill sets that you learn
beyond what's required to play the, game the skill sets
you learn in terms of, discipline in terms of, commitment
in terms of, teamwork those things transcend sports into. Anything
(28:32):
so you mentioned all these things they could do and
you were still in the sports. World you can take
those things and go out into any. Element and if
you can provide discipline and commitment and work ethic and
teamwork into what you're applying, for you're probably going to
be a pretty successful.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Person and also thought about, too the fact That i'm
seeing a trend in coaches where it's like they pressed
the kids to. Win let's go for the, win let's
go for the. Win then's like coaches simply taught you the.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Game they're prepped.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
To, you like you know how to do, it how
do overcome, failure how to, achieve and like prepare for.
Life it's, like you, know do you see a lot
of coaches that still like your kids prepare for life
or has become like the majority have like been all, Ideal,
hey we're all out to.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
WIN i think there's there are still a lot of
good coaches out, there and the good ones do the
right thing around development of their. Kids they're really committed
to the relationship part of, it the engagement between coach and,
player the opportunity to be a mentor a positive influence
and in that process developed them and help them mature
(29:40):
in the game, itself but also again thinking about what
are what elements of this game can help you do
later on in. Life so there are there are a
lot of good coaches that do, that but there are
also those that you, know will roll out to basketball
and just let them play and drive, them not not
really focus on development and and be ultra focused or
(30:01):
hyper focused on. Winning, now depending on what program you're
in high, school, college you know you kind of have
to win or you may not have a. Job but
IN aau and developmental programs like, that the emphasis shouldn't
be on necessarily winning as well as much as are
we improving game to, game are we taking what we're
(30:22):
learning in practice and employing it on the court to
the point where we're seeing that growth in development and
that the focus should be always on the kid and
the kids and their development and their. Growth but when
you have the opportunity to not be as worried about,
wins you, know you can really focus in on the.
(30:43):
Development and again that's something that will take you further
in life down the. ROAD i, MEAN i tell my
sales team, today don't worry about the. Results don't focus
on the, results focus on the behaviors that drive the
results you. Want and that's the same thing in.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Sports that's the best advice you can give to parents
whose kids are in, basketball, baseball, football, hockey any. Sport
what is the best advice for you give the parents
when it comes to the kids and playing the, game.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well first of, all keep it all in, perspective, right
it is a game at the end of the, day
no matter what sport they're, playing it's a game or
a competition and an opportunity for your child to have
fun in something that is challenging and offers growth and.
Development so keep that in, perspective and when there are
(31:34):
those frustrating moments where maybe your child's not clicking in
the sport or not clicking with their teammates in a particular,
game don't lash out at other. PEOPLE i take a, moment,
breathe and realize THAT i would say in ninety nine
point nine percent of the, cases the coach and the
parents are on the same page in terms of what
(31:56):
their ultimate goal, is and that's to help that. Child
case of parents child, developed have, fun enjoy the context
of a team in a competitive. Environment but the keyword
air is in enjoyment and. Growth and of.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Course the ones that you know call all the, fouls
the shots and everything like. That the referees they deserve
some respect. To we'll get to that With Darren. Alton
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The zia. DOES i have his book right, here and
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(33:33):
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Speaker 4 (34:24):
Show you heard.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Me we're back In, Multitalent Darren, all the author Of
Violid bounds here on The Mike Wagner, show and you
gave us a really good perspective on, coaches, players, parents you,
know being with the game and out of bounds and
how to make it fun and everything else prevent from our.
Control and the ones who probably get more, respected don't
(34:47):
get a lot of our credit are the, referees and
they're the ones that are being really heavy target these.
Days there are once upon a time bomb respective if
they made the right, call right, call wrong, call wrong
call and, everything but it's part of their. Job but
now you're getting lash yet like.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Crazy, yeah you, know as a young, COACH i was
probably guilty of being a little more harsh on refs
than EVENTUALLY i grew and matured in my game and
the WAY i approached it to WHERE i wasn't as.
Bad but you know that it's a different dynamic when
you're when you're a coach and the ref and you
know you're in that game situation and you're trying to
get things or kids to play away a certain, way
(35:25):
and the refs are calling fouls to counter what you're teaching,
them and so that can get a little, frustrating but
that is part of the, game, right that's coaches and
refs and players and refs. Interacting when it spills out
into the, stands OR i should say the stands spill
out onto the, floor that's a. Problem AND i used
to tell my parents before every, season please do not
(35:49):
engage the. Officials you, KNOW i will do that in
the context and the flow of the. Game and there
are times WHERE i, would you, know push it to
the line or in terms of getting a technical or
even earning a technical foul for whatever, reason AND i
would tell the, PARENTS i don't need your. HELP i
don't need you to go get me another one or
to get the refs riled. Up i'll do that on my.
(36:10):
Own but at the same, time again it goes back
to what we were talking about prior to the, break was
just remember that this is a, game, right and the
refs are out, there in all, honesty trying to do
their best to mitigate a. Gain the. Flow the, speed
especially with today's athletes has intensified and they're out there
(36:32):
doing their best for not a whole lot of, money
so give them a, break give them some grace as, well.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
AND i think that's very important as. Well where going
we find your book out of bounds? Ed and how
do people contact?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You so my book is On, Amazon barnes And, Noble Ingram,
spark who's actually the PUBLISHER i was grateful to. Have
the Paper house was my hybrid publisher to help me
get started on. This but it's available in pretty much
any book. Source you can get in touch with me
The instagram or x is at coach alt eighty. Eight
(37:07):
AND i also have a website run Through. Canva a
little bit of a long, handle but It's darren Alt
all one dot my Dot canva dot site backslash. Author
and Also i'm, sorry.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Go, ahead go, Ahead i'm SORRY i call myself on that.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
One, no no. WORRIES i just wanted to also share
with you since you are a podcaster as. WELL i
do have a podcast with my son Called The outside
The Coaches box that we do and is On.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Spotify oh, OKAY i like to hear more about that.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
One it's a lot of, fun a lot of.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Fun it sounds like what's the website?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Again the website is darrenalt dot my Dot canva dot
site backslash.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Author we want airby to check it out as. Well
where is the, Author darren aldabob bound here the mike
when your, Show darren's just a few more? Things what
else can we expect me at twenty twenty five and?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Beyond, well AS i, SAID i Am. Packcraft Proud paccraft
is the company the DIVISION i work for For Shaw,
industries and we as a regional vice president in The
New York city market where we, ARE i am blessed
with an amazing team that is out there driving opportunity
and brand awareness and growth in the. Market and the
fun part about it IS i get to do a
(38:23):
lot of the same coaching style and coaching type outside
of playing a, sport but inside the context of a
sales team and a lot of things still, apply so
that'll be very. Important my wife AND i are getting
ready to celebrate our thirty sixth anniversary coming.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Up at the anniversary thank.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
You it's a lot of fun in today's day and
age where people like over fifty percent of the people
don't make. It absolutely certainly grateful to have found a
life partner for, sure and my wife And i'm looking
forward to the amazing things that are coming from my
three adult children who are all in great shape and
(39:01):
doing wonderful things in their. Lives So i'm looking forward
to being.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
A part of that and sounds great as well, too
looking forward to. That who do you consider biggest influence.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
In the career in my coaching or work just in, general.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So work wise THAT i am actually blessed in a
lot of. Ways So i've had a lot of impactful
leaders people WHO i still stay in touch with to this.
Day so even Though i'm not working with that company,
anymore i still am in touch with the owner of you,
know a company and work, for or THE ceo of
a COMPANY i work, for and that that extends right
(39:36):
into the into Working Foreshaw industries now our leader team
leadership team is amazing and how engaged and personable they
are and how mission driven they, are but also empathetic
and understanding of individual needs as it makes up the.
Team so That i've been blessed with leadership, influences you,
(39:58):
know and that extends to the code which is that
THAT i grew up with as. Well there's one of
my favorite coaches was my eighth grade coach Mister pontoni
out In, Arcada, california a small coastal town In Humboldt,
county and the way that the grace and presence that
he had in engaging players and coaching the game regardless
of what was going on in the. Game he was
(40:20):
just kind of an even keel guy that was that
was a, meaningful you, know person to pay attention to as, well.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And certainly amazing as. Well what's the best advice you
can give the aim by at this?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Point, WELL i actually used this in my, book and
it was it was a quote From Jay wright's Book
attitude about The villanova championship. Campaign but there was a
they had a gentleman Father rob who was their team,
priest and he quoted to the players a parable and
(40:51):
in that, parable there was a phrase called stay connected
to the, vine and basically it was it was stressing
the fact that leaves on a vine are stronger when
they're attached to that, fine but when they fall off
and drift, away they become weak and. Vulnerable and SO
i adapted that actually my last year At Home, dell
where it is also in the, BOOK i adapted that
(41:13):
phrase for my team and anytime we had a moment
of stress or. Uncertainty it was just a great reminder
stay connected to the. Vine we're in this together and
if we stay, together we'll be better for. It so that's,
that AND.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
I think that's great advice as well. TOO i really like.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
THAT.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
R Darren, alt the author Of out Of volunteer on
The Mike Winners. Show, DARREN a very big thanks. You
time to be been absolutely, fantastic learning a, lot looking
forward to having, soon keeps up, today keep and touch.
LIVE i you back on which? Website how do people contact?
You where people purchase or check out your?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Book you can get it At the website Is Darren
ALT dotmi Dot canva dot, site backslash author or the
book is On amazon dot, Com Barnes andoble dot, Com
Ingram's park and you can get me on at or Sorry.
Instagram i'm new to social media ad coach all eighty.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Eight all, right WELL i have everybody check it out once, again,
dinner very big thanks.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
You time you've been.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Absolutely, fantastic looking forward him, soon keeps, up they keep in,
touch Leve i'd be.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Back we wish all best And, darren you definitely have
a great.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Future thank, You, MIKE i appreciate you have a great.
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Level hey, There Dana laxa, Here american news. Anchor, hey
let me ask you something real. Quick why do you
read a. Book you're buying a, story a, thought a,
message and a good book entertains and. Inspires and that's
exactly what A Missing By award winning author Of me
on The zia. DOES i have his book right, here
and it's based on real events with relatable characters that
(43:12):
hook you from start to. FINISH i personally love this.
Book it's super powerful and meaningful through and you can
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Serena wagner's, Book The Sweet sawmist now availve on. Emsoon
this book includes thirty exquisite paintings by well known and
unknown painters And King David. Palms The Sweet salmist gives
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Today we're here with a trifi gentleman who's an author
and of proud graduate at the US Naval Academy, graduating
eighty eight and a six year US Navy veteran with
honorable service as lieutenant on active duty. Also successful sales
leadership with twenty years experience from Starts of Fortune five hundred.
A dynamic leader and trusted coach and adviser to team
(01:48):
members and clientcies hat Craft Prow.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
We'll talk about that.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
He's got a new book out which takes on the
growing issue of parental interference, drawn for real life experiences,
including extensive research and exploring the well meeting parents of
March called out of Bounds. Live Ladies and Gentlemen of
plus Dues and beautiful Mammouth County, New Jersey. The amazing
author PROG Graduate of the US Naval Academy and the
author of the book out of Bounds, the multi talented
(02:13):
Darren Oh Derek, Good morning, good afternoon, good evening.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Thank you, Mike, thanks for having me on. I'm looking
forward to the conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
What it's great to have you on board as well too.
And of course team being out of bounds. It's the
NBA Finals and you know people out there, I think
you need to listen up for you kids with basketball,
baseball and everything like that. You're an author, PROG Graduate
the US Naval Academy, graduating eighty eight six year US
Navy veteran Honorable Services, a lieutenant on active duty. You
have successful sales leadership twenty eight years experience, dynamic leader,
(02:45):
trusted coach and advisor to team members and clients. You
have a new book takes on the growing issue of
air ferns in sports baseball, football, basketball, hockey and a
kind of sport and basically just impacting coaches, referee and
the players alike.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
It's called out of Bounds for getting all that. Darren
tell US. I first got started.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
I got started with the book.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
I gotta start with your career overall, so go way back.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah. Well, I'm originally from California. I was born and
raised in the San Francisco Bay Area, and then you know,
bounced around a little bit in northern California as my
mother was doing her best to raise three children by
herself and then did a great child but that took
her to different locations throughout northern California. And then eventually
got the inkling to apply to the United States Naval Academy.
(03:33):
And quite honestly, it came from me as a pesky
little brother, poking around in my older brother's room and
I found a catalog for Annapolis, and as I'm looking
through it, it just dawned on me that that was
the place for me. So I applied to one college
and it was the United States Naval Academy, and I
was fortunate enough to get in partially due to my
(03:55):
father's service he was a Pearl Harbor survivor. And then
actually that allowed me to apply for and I got
the presidential nomination from President Reagan, and then eventually got
in on my congressman's nomination Congressman Champion out of northern California.
So I got on a plane, flew at seventeen years old,
(04:15):
flew three thousand miles away sight unseen to the Naval Campemy,
and embarked on that magnificent journey that eventually led me
to be a naval officer like you mentioned. For six years,
and unfortunately, I had a high frequency hearing loss in
my left ear, which disqualified me from flying. So I
spent my six years in trying to figure out how
to stay in. But as I was married at the
(04:38):
time and had three young children, I started to think
I might need to do something else, you know, as
I couldn't find a true career path. So I got out,
moved to New Jersey, where my wife is from, and
we raised our three children together, and I started to
work for a gentleman in the corporate interiors world. His
(04:58):
name was Howard Burkois. He's a class of fifth seven
from the Naval Academy. Oh wow, okay, and he hired
me coming out of the Navy as a junior salesperson.
And I knew nothing about office furniture, which is what
he was selling. But that's what got me into the
corporate interiors world and then eventually fast forward to twenty
eight years later, I'm on the flooring side of it,
(05:19):
working for Accraft, which is a division of Shaw Industries
Berkshire Hathaway Company.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
That is certainly amazing.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
You're going from the northern California to the Academy and
per twenty eight years and in your service of twenty
eight years, were some of the missions that you have
gone on? Where have you gone all over the world
and everything, and maybe some of your highlights as well,
maybe some stories you want to share in the Navy.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Sure, so my naval career outside of the Naval Academy
was only six years. The twenty eight years was more
on the sales side of things. But during my six years,
like I said, with the first big adversity that had
hit me with the hearing loss and derailing me from
going to be a pilot, which was my lifelong ambition,
I started to figure out ways to stay in the military,
(06:08):
and once I found a direction, I actually ended up
being transferred to the Naval Academy Prep school in Newport,
Rhode Island, and it was there that my basketball journey
actually began. As an assistant coach for the men's program,
which was just it was a collateral duty for me,
which was meaning it wasn't my main job, but it
was something I did to help out the school and
(06:31):
the young men who were playing the sport at the time.
So but I got the bug. I was bitten then,
and you know, I spent time four years at the
Naval Academy coaching and teaching Naval Academy prep school, getting
young men and women ready for either the Naval Academy,
the Coast Guard Academy, or the Merchant Marine Academy. And
then after there I was transferred to the Bureau Personnel
(06:53):
in Arlington, Virginia, and that's where I spent the rest
of my time again trying to figure out if I
could how I could stay, and when I ran out options,
I jumped out. But honestly, you know, things happened for
a reason. It was definitely frustrating at the time because
my ambition was to be a career naval officer. But
I've been able to carve out a really nice career
(07:14):
in the corporate civilian world and have met a lot
of challenges and had a lot of success and learned
from a lot of failures. Along the way as well.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Of course you've had some success being a leader, trusted
coach and advisor and everything like that.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
You know startups.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
You worked with Office Furniture Fortune five hundred and how
about some of their ventures have you been in.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, So it's funny that you wouldn't think office furniture
or corporate interiors or flooring where I've spent the last
twelve years, is all that exciting. But it is really
a neat business that the whole corporate interiors world, because
every day is different. You have a wonderful opportunity to
engage a lot of different people, whether they're architect and designers,
(08:01):
or if they're dealers and distributors of your products, or
directly with the end users of companies of all shapes
and sizes across multiple segments, education, healthcare, corporate, et cetera.
And so you get the opportunity to really engage a
lot of different people to face different challenges. And while
it may not be saving the world or brain surgery,
it is still nonetheless important to the day to day
(08:24):
operations of the people we serve. So in a larger way,
it gives me the opportunity to continue to be of
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attributes when I was in the Navy that drew me
to the Navy to begin with.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
And of course you also have been coaching as well too.
And how'd you first get interested in basketball? Were you
playing as basketball? You know, growing up in northern California?
At what point were you playing basketball?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Yeah? So I think basketball was kind of my sport.
I will be very honest in saying I was a
jack of all trades, master of none when it came
to athletics, primarily because unlike today, I played all the
different sports and I enjoyed all the different sports. So
I never really devoted the time or the individual training
(09:10):
or things like that to develop any one mastery of sport.
But basketball was always the thing I was attracted to.
I'm six six, I was tall when I was younger,
you know, and it was it was a sport that
that elevated the concept of team, which I was always
attracted to. Had some good young coaches when I should
say good coaches when I was younger that had a
(09:32):
lasting impression on me. And I wanted to kind of
turn that around and give back in that respect. So
played played early on, played in high school, tried to
walk onto the Naval Academy team. Picked a bad time
to do that, as David Robinson was just as solid
I was that, yeah, And there were quite a few
other really good players on that team, Vernon Butler, Carl Lever,
(09:55):
Doug Wojik who's now the assistant coach at Michigan State,
cliff Rest classmate of mine who was the only one
of my classmates who ended up being on the team
all four years. But a really dynamic team. And you know,
being my height in the area I was by default,
I was either a four or five on the court,
but I was a skinny kid. And when I came
(10:17):
to the Academy and I looked at the five spot,
of course David was there. And I looked at the
four spot and there was a Vernon was there and
he was six eight two sixty five and I was
six six of buck eighty five.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
So that was like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah. And our shooting guard, our shooting guard or forward
was Kyler Whitaker, and he was about my size, but
he could shoot. That was something I hadn't developed when
I was younger.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
So Horse my favorite team's Corn up.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Uh. Well, I grew up a Lakers fan primary not
even having anything to do with California. When I was
a young lad, I read a book that had that
highlighted four athletes. One was Kareem Abdul Jabbar, one was
Roger Staubach, one was Bobby Orr and the other one
I was get this one confused either Pete Rose Johnny Bench,
but either way, it was one of the players on
the Big Red Machine. And in California at the time,
(11:06):
it wasn't a whole lot to do with hockey, so
I focused on the other three individuals and started to
follow those teams. So I loved the Lakers, and of
course when Magic Johnson came out of Michigan State and
created the whole show time, that was a fun time
to be a Laker fan. Grew up Roger Staubach, Cowboys,
you know, Naval Academy connection, Tom Landry, uh you know
(11:28):
America's team. I was all in on the Cowboys and
still am. As you can tell from this.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
I can tell you getting right for football season, Yes.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm always ready for football season. And then the Big
Red Machine. I just love the way they played. I
love Charlie Hussele. God rest his soul, you know, and
he should be in the Hall of Fame here shortly,
I hope. But I love that whole lineup, that whole
that whole lineup.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
You know, those are my two favorite players well too,
you ha, Don Gullett and you had a pairball ball bone.
I think you had what was it, Georgia Jack Billingham.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
That's another one.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Although I've been a Cub fan, we're getting killed by
those guys. It was just fun to watch at Cincinnati Club,
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So yeah, so that was a lot of fun. And
then later on the life, obviously, when when David Robinson
became a Spur, that shifted my allegiance to the Spurs
and stayed with them for a very long time. I
just enjoyed watching him and eventually Tim Duncan and managing
obly and you know, that whole that whole roster of
talented Spurs.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
And of course great Papaved one of the best coaches
out there too, So you know he's one of the
best out there because you being a coach as well,
and you know, talk about some of the experiences too,
and of course what's going on with kids, parents, referees.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
He s able.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
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Nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Darren alt here on The Mike Wedners Show with Out
of Bounds and you talked about, you know, getting the
coaching basketball and everything else and the changing nature of
coaching and everything, and you know, Gabriuek Capbell, what was
that first moment that simply it got you into coaching basketball?
Speaker 5 (15:08):
What was that one moment that says I liked coach.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
So it all started at the Naval Academy prep school.
I was an assistant at that point working under a gentlemen.
Tom Marriott, who was the head coach and then later
went on to coach both men and women at the
Naval Academy, so a really good person to be under
and to learn. And we had a one year program
of Naval Academy prep men who were trying to go
(15:33):
to play at the Academy. Now some of them were
recruits and some of them were not. They just had
experience wanted to play, and that varied every year. We
sometimes we had ten recruits for Navy and sometimes we
had one or two. But the cool part about it
was we started over every year nice with the clean
slate and had the opportunity to learn about the players,
(15:53):
to learn about, you know, to build relationships of trust
with them, to teach them about our program and how
to work together as a team. And as that started
to unfold and I got probably into my second year,
I said, you know, this is really fun. This is
fun to take young people and to have the opportunity
to be a positive influence on them and help them
(16:14):
understand what their potential is, not only as an individual,
but more importantly in the team concept. So when I
got out of the Navy in nineteen ninety four, and
we moved back or moved to New Jersey where my
wife was from. My wife had got us enrolled in
the church in parish where she attended as a child,
(16:36):
in the school that she went to as a child
called Holy Family in Hazlet, New Jersey, and I ended
up applying for I guess it was a volunteer position
or volunteering for the head coach's role in the seventh
and eighth grade boys team, And that's really where it
took off. That's where I really found the passion, my
desire to work with young people and continue to help
(16:59):
them grow and prepare them as was the Academy's mission.
I took that to heart, which was morally, mentally, and
physically for that next step in life.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I think that's really great what you're doing as
well too. And of course, when you were being coached,
you're playing all the sports and everything like that. How
was it coaching back then compared to coaching now, especially
when when you were playing, How was it coaching back
then for you?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It was much much different, for sure, I would say
coaching teaching any of the authoritative figures I remember specifically
in classroom, I had a couple of teachers who were
One was a retired California highway patrol when he was
about six foot five and a big man. But that
didn't stop me from being a wise guy in class.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Once in a while.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
LUs got rested so many times because you wanted to write.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, but you know, he was not shy about dropping
people for pushups, and and now that would probably be
considered corporal punishment. But when you when you were told
to drop and give him twenty, you did not argue.
You dropped and gave him twenty. And they were well
earned push ups, I will say that. And then then
on the coaching side of it, you know, I had
wonderful coaches. They were great, you know, they I got
(18:14):
to experience in four years, seventh and eighth grade and
then into high school. I got to experience a lot
of different coaching techniques, and you know, you kind of
cherry pick which ones you think are good, which ones aren't.
But they were tougher, they were strict. I remember my
freshman year in high school. We were zero and eleven
at the time and struggling. We had talent, but were
(18:35):
struggling to build that chemistry on the court and our
coach got frustrated, so he took us outside to the
football field, which was covered with snow, and had us
run suicides from the five yard back, ten yard back,
fifteen back, and by the time we got to like
the forty yard line, people were dropping to the knees,
were sick, you know, peeking on the phone the football
(18:55):
field again, something that would absolutely not fly today. But
we showed him. We went to eighteen and learned a
few lessons along the way.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
And I think there have been great experience as well too.
You're right, it had been a corporate punishment as well.
Of course you got parents referees. You know, nowadays we're
screaming and everything like that, but then back in the day,
it's like, you know, you know, the parents not got involved,
never tell you what to do, never told referees what
to do. It was just let them do their job.
But what point do you think might have happened that
(19:29):
at what era? If it's like maybe nineties two thousand,
what point do you think around the year whatever that
you think that parents selling got involved, start telling coaches
what to do, Hey play my kid, or selling tell referees, hey,
you make the right calls. Don't get my kid, and
all of a sudden, everybody starts getting on them about hey,
they start controlling the game.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yeah. I think there's probably an element of that throughout
history of the game, but it got increasingly worse. And
where I started to notice it more specifically is when
I had begun to coach high school girls basketball at
the varsity level and again as the head coach, and
I was building a program at a high school here
in New Jersey called Modern Day. And I was probably
(20:15):
about nine years in or eight or nine years into
an eleven year stint with Modern Day, and I began
to notice that the connection with some parents and it's
not all I want to be very clear about that.
The vast majority of interactions that I had with parents
was very positive, and parents that I will still see
today whose kids I coached thirty years ago, you know,
(20:38):
and have a positive interaction. But it was the negative
ones that stood out because they became very heated, very intense,
you know, And I was trying to figure out what
is going on that all of a sudden people are
willing to go to these extreme levels in reference to
(20:58):
the player coach relationship and how that should develop more organically,
and I started to think about it and actually at
that point started to make a few notes here and there,
just kind of outlining, trying to figure it out, put
the puzzle together in my head as to what was
going on. And that actually took me to the beginnings
of this book, where I went backwards from that point
(21:18):
to when I was at Holy Family, when I was
at the Naval Academy prep school, you know, through the
high school days, and started to outline and come up
with these little stories around where I thought parents had
crossed that line between the player coach relationship. And I
did notice that it trended worse. It became more visceral,
(21:39):
more angry as the years went on, and it certainly
that hasn't changed. It continues to get worse.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And of course you've done a lot of research as
well too.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I mean, the parents are well intended, y'all let them play,
But of course, you know, my experience is like, you know,
if there's a bad call, hey, it's a bad call,
but using people out there too, you don't just run
out those stands and they get really personal. I mean,
look at all the baseball stories that goes on as
well too. You know, players against coaches, umpires and everything,
and you see these brawls and everything.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
It's like it is getting worse.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, they're common decency, courtesy, decorum, those things have all
checked out somewhere along the lines. And you know, you
do see people I was I've witnessed to parents coming
down in the middle of the game and taking their
kid off a bench. You know that because they weren't
getting the playing time they thought the deserve, so they
they pulled their son or daughter away from the team
(22:36):
that they were part of. And I don't think there's
any thought to the embarrassment or frustration that causes the kid.
It's just that that's what they're going to do at
that time. And you mentioned people going to blows. You know,
a couple of months ago here in New Jersey at
a wrestling tournament, it was really well documented in the
press where people in the stands and this is the
worst part. These are adults in the stands who will
(22:57):
take liberty and feel like as if they are entitled
to say anything to anybody. So they're in the in
the stands throwing out derogatory terms to kids who are
competing on the mats. In that case for wrestling to
the point where the father of one of the wrestlers
you know, went up and asked people to stop throwing
out the term stop talking to the kids that way,
(23:18):
And they started to get into a scuffle, and the
young man who was a wrestler on the team went
up in the stands and started to support his father,
and and so you know, it turned into a big
kerfuffle and a problem, and police were called and people
were escorted out in handcuffs. And for what reason? What
what is it that is that is so important or
that you feel as being your son or daughters being
(23:41):
deprived of that would lead you to that point.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
And also maybe think of the whole thing with with
then Tom, You're right, you cover that participation trophies. I
mean that's another big thing that just hit upon as well.
When we're competing you didn't win, it's like, hey, you
got there and try hard, you won the trophy, or
he won this because you earned it.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Now they're doing dished out like candy ands.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
So do you think that's causing mentality of like, you know, hey,
I'm entoiled to do this.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I can do whatever I.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Want I do. I think the key word that you
just mentioned was entitled or entitlement that that seems to
have really been elevated to a different degree. You know,
I write about it several times in my book Where,
and the most notable one was the one that basically
ended my career as a coach, where a young lady
as a freshman, felt like she and her parents felt
(24:30):
like she should be playing at the varsity level, and
so they took steps to when it wasn't shaping up
at the pace or at the level they wanted, they
took steps to remove me where you know, it perceived
obstacle to their daughter's growth and development, when the facts
were that if she if they had just allowed her
(24:52):
to play out and mature and grow within a program,
she would have had a very successful high school career. Instead,
she four high schools in four years because she just
never was satisfied they weren't getting what they wanted. And
you know, any kid who goes from one place to
the other in four years time is going to have
a hard time adjusting and engaging with others. It was disappointing,
(25:16):
It was really disappointing to around that whole or centered
around that whole concept of entitlement that because you know,
because she's my daughter, because I pay for training, because
I do all these things to help her be play
basketball and get better at it doesn't mean she's going
to get better at the time or the speed that
you want her to. Uh. And and that's where you
have to as a parent, let go of the rains
(25:38):
and and trusting the coach and do your part to
understand what the program is all about and what the
pace is and and if anything, if you have a
question is what what can my child do to get better?
What do they need to do to be a better
contributor to your program?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And and also what came what came to mind too
that do you think there's a lot of press want
to come to society that I mean, you see all
these NBA players, you know, be recruited to like say,
go to college as a freshman or you know, play
for the Lakers like Lebron did. Do you think there's
that unrealistic pressure of you're fourteen years old, Hey deserve
(26:15):
to go to the NBA or you know, talk to
a fifteen year old girl who's like, what six', Five,
hey you're entitled to go to THE wnba do you
think that pressure of unrealism is being how SHOULD i,
say it's like just unrealistic putting unrealistic pressure on the
kids like.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That, YEAH i think there's an element to that. Mic
and the problem is kids put so much pressure on
themselves and now on top of that is being piled
on to the parent wants you to work out and
get prepared to go win a scholarship which to, college
which is it's a great, achievement but it's. Not everybody's
not going to do, that, Right so you really have
(26:57):
to commit yourself to the, time, effort and energy to
improve your game to the point where you can give a.
Scholarship and again that's that's a small percentage and then
people who move beyond that to the pros is about
one point three percent for men and less than one
percent for. Women so if you're setting your child up
to go pursue, this and there's absolutely nothing wrong with
(27:20):
striving for the best the best possible, outcome but there
also has to be a balance of realism to your
point that not everybody can do, that and if they
work their butt off and, miss they've still got a
really good career up to that. Point to be to
be grateful, for to be thankful, for and to feel proud.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
About they can also become assistant.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Coaches they could also be like you, know, Coaches they
could be, Trainers they could be you, know writers or
even say silent, reporters broadcasters and everything like. That and
that was SOMETHING i was reading, too that the lifespan
of of an average athlete used to be, like what
fifteen twenty, years it's cut down to like less than,
(28:05):
ten and it's got to point like cut down to.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Five.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
YEAH i think a lot of it depends on what you're.
Doing BUT i think if the beautiful part about being
an athlete is that the skill sets that you learn
beyond what's required to play the, game the skill sets
you learn in terms of, discipline in terms of, commitment
in terms of, teamwork those things transcend sports into. Anything
(28:32):
so you mentioned all these things they could do and
you were still in the sports. World you can take
those things and go out into any. Element and if
you can provide discipline and commitment and work ethic and
teamwork into what you're applying, for you're probably going to
be a pretty successful.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Person and also thought about, too the fact That i'm
seeing a trend in coaches where it's like they pressed
the kids to. Win let's go for the, win let's
go for the. Win then's like coaches simply taught you the.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
Game they're prepped.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
To, you like you know how to do, it how
do overcome, failure how to, achieve and like prepare for.
Life it's, like you, know do you see a lot
of coaches that still like your kids prepare for life
or has become like the majority have like been all, Ideal,
hey we're all out to.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
WIN i think there's there are still a lot of
good coaches out, there and the good ones do the
right thing around development of their. Kids they're really committed
to the relationship part of, it the engagement between coach and,
player the opportunity to be a mentor a positive influence
and in that process developed them and help them mature
(29:40):
in the game, itself but also again thinking about what
are what elements of this game can help you do
later on in. Life so there are there are a
lot of good coaches that do, that but there are
also those that you, know will roll out to basketball
and just let them play and drive, them not not
really focus on development and and be ultra focused or
(30:01):
hyper focused on. Winning, now depending on what program you're
in high, school, college you know you kind of have
to win or you may not have a. Job but
IN aau and developmental programs like, that the emphasis shouldn't
be on necessarily winning as well as much as are
we improving game to, game are we taking what we're
(30:22):
learning in practice and employing it on the court to
the point where we're seeing that growth in development and
that the focus should be always on the kid and
the kids and their development and their. Growth but when
you have the opportunity to not be as worried about,
wins you, know you can really focus in on the.
(30:43):
Development and again that's something that will take you further
in life down the. ROAD i, MEAN i tell my
sales team, today don't worry about the. Results don't focus
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results you. Want and that's the same thing in.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Sports that's the best advice you can give to parents
whose kids are in, basketball, baseball, football, hockey any. Sport
what is the best advice for you give the parents
when it comes to the kids and playing the, game.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well first of, all keep it all in, perspective, right
it is a game at the end of the, day
no matter what sport they're, playing it's a game or
a competition and an opportunity for your child to have
fun in something that is challenging and offers growth and.
Development so keep that in, perspective and when there are
(31:34):
those frustrating moments where maybe your child's not clicking in
the sport or not clicking with their teammates in a particular,
game don't lash out at other. PEOPLE i take a, moment,
breathe and realize THAT i would say in ninety nine
point nine percent of the, cases the coach and the
parents are on the same page in terms of what
(31:56):
their ultimate goal, is and that's to help that. Child
case of parents child, developed have, fun enjoy the context
of a team in a competitive. Environment but the keyword
air is in enjoyment and. Growth and of.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Course the ones that you know call all the, fouls
the shots and everything like. That the referees they deserve
some respect. To we'll get to that With Darren. Alton
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Him check out the Book The Sweet solmist By Serena,
wagner now available On amazon Keywords Sweet, Salmist Serena. Wagner, Hey,
hey this Is Ray powers and, boy are you in
luck right? Place right time tuned into The Mike Wagner.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
Show you heard.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Me we're back In, Multitalent Darren, all the author Of
Violid bounds here on The Mike Wagner, show and you
gave us a really good perspective on, coaches, players, parents you,
know being with the game and out of bounds and
how to make it fun and everything else prevent from our.
Control and the ones who probably get more, respected don't
(34:47):
get a lot of our credit are the, referees and
they're the ones that are being really heavy target these.
Days there are once upon a time bomb respective if
they made the right, call right, call wrong, call wrong
call and, everything but it's part of their. Job but
now you're getting lash yet like.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Crazy, yeah you, know as a young, COACH i was
probably guilty of being a little more harsh on refs
than EVENTUALLY i grew and matured in my game and
the WAY i approached it to WHERE i wasn't as.
Bad but you know that it's a different dynamic when
you're when you're a coach and the ref and you
know you're in that game situation and you're trying to
get things or kids to play away a certain, way
(35:25):
and the refs are calling fouls to counter what you're teaching,
them and so that can get a little, frustrating but
that is part of the, game, right that's coaches and
refs and players and refs. Interacting when it spills out
into the, stands OR i should say the stands spill
out onto the, floor that's a. Problem AND i used
to tell my parents before every, season please do not
(35:49):
engage the. Officials you, KNOW i will do that in
the context and the flow of the. Game and there
are times WHERE i, would you, know push it to
the line or in terms of getting a technical or
even earning a technical foul for whatever, reason AND i
would tell the, PARENTS i don't need your. HELP i
don't need you to go get me another one or
to get the refs riled. Up i'll do that on my.
(36:10):
Own but at the same, time again it goes back
to what we were talking about prior to the, break was
just remember that this is a, game, right and the
refs are out, there in all, honesty trying to do
their best to mitigate a. Gain the. Flow the, speed
especially with today's athletes has intensified and they're out there
(36:32):
doing their best for not a whole lot of, money
so give them a, break give them some grace as, well.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
AND i think that's very important as. Well where going
we find your book out of bounds? Ed and how
do people contact?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You so my book is On, Amazon barnes And, Noble Ingram,
spark who's actually the PUBLISHER i was grateful to. Have
the Paper house was my hybrid publisher to help me
get started on. This but it's available in pretty much
any book. Source you can get in touch with me
The instagram or x is at coach alt eighty. Eight
(37:07):
AND i also have a website run Through. Canva a
little bit of a long, handle but It's darren Alt
all one dot my Dot canva dot site backslash. Author
and Also i'm, sorry.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Go, ahead go, Ahead i'm SORRY i call myself on that.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
One, no no. WORRIES i just wanted to also share
with you since you are a podcaster as. WELL i
do have a podcast with my son Called The outside
The Coaches box that we do and is On.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Spotify oh, OKAY i like to hear more about that.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
One it's a lot of, fun a lot of.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Fun it sounds like what's the website?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Again the website is darrenalt dot my Dot canva dot
site backslash.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Author we want airby to check it out as. Well
where is the, Author darren aldabob bound here the mike
when your, Show darren's just a few more? Things what
else can we expect me at twenty twenty five and?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Beyond, well AS i, SAID i Am. Packcraft Proud paccraft
is the company the DIVISION i work for For Shaw,
industries and we as a regional vice president in The
New York city market where we, ARE i am blessed
with an amazing team that is out there driving opportunity
and brand awareness and growth in the. Market and the
fun part about it IS i get to do a
(38:23):
lot of the same coaching style and coaching type outside
of playing a, sport but inside the context of a
sales team and a lot of things still, apply so
that'll be very. Important my wife AND i are getting
ready to celebrate our thirty sixth anniversary coming.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
Up at the anniversary thank.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
You it's a lot of fun in today's day and
age where people like over fifty percent of the people
don't make. It absolutely certainly grateful to have found a
life partner for, sure and my wife And i'm looking
forward to the amazing things that are coming from my
three adult children who are all in great shape and
(39:01):
doing wonderful things in their. Lives So i'm looking forward
to being.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
A part of that and sounds great as well, too
looking forward to. That who do you consider biggest influence.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
In the career in my coaching or work just in, general.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
So work wise THAT i am actually blessed in a
lot of. Ways So i've had a lot of impactful
leaders people WHO i still stay in touch with to this.
Day so even Though i'm not working with that company,
anymore i still am in touch with the owner of you,
know a company and work, for or THE ceo of
a COMPANY i work, for and that that extends right
(39:36):
into the into Working Foreshaw industries now our leader team
leadership team is amazing and how engaged and personable they
are and how mission driven they, are but also empathetic
and understanding of individual needs as it makes up the.
Team so That i've been blessed with leadership, influences you,
(39:58):
know and that extends to the code which is that
THAT i grew up with as. Well there's one of
my favorite coaches was my eighth grade coach Mister pontoni
out In, Arcada, california a small coastal town In Humboldt,
county and the way that the grace and presence that
he had in engaging players and coaching the game regardless
of what was going on in the. Game he was
(40:20):
just kind of an even keel guy that was that
was a, meaningful you, know person to pay attention to as, well.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
And certainly amazing as. Well what's the best advice you
can give the aim by at this?
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Point, WELL i actually used this in my, book and
it was it was a quote From Jay wright's Book
attitude about The villanova championship. Campaign but there was a
they had a gentleman Father rob who was their team,
priest and he quoted to the players a parable and
(40:51):
in that, parable there was a phrase called stay connected
to the, vine and basically it was it was stressing
the fact that leaves on a vine are stronger when
they're attached to that, fine but when they fall off
and drift, away they become weak and. Vulnerable and SO
i adapted that actually my last year At Home, dell
where it is also in the, BOOK i adapted that
(41:13):
phrase for my team and anytime we had a moment
of stress or. Uncertainty it was just a great reminder
stay connected to the. Vine we're in this together and
if we stay, together we'll be better for. It so that's,
that AND.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
I think that's great advice as well. TOO i really like.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
THAT.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
R Darren, alt the author Of out Of volunteer on
The Mike Winners. Show, DARREN a very big thanks. You
time to be been absolutely, fantastic learning a, lot looking
forward to having, soon keeps up, today keep and touch.
LIVE i you back on which? Website how do people contact?
You where people purchase or check out your?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Book you can get it At the website Is Darren
ALT dotmi Dot canva dot, site backslash author or the
book is On amazon dot, Com Barnes andoble dot, Com
Ingram's park and you can get me on at or Sorry.
Instagram i'm new to social media ad coach all eighty.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Eight all, right WELL i have everybody check it out once, again,
dinner very big thanks.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
You time you've been.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Absolutely, fantastic looking forward him, soon keeps, up they keep in,
touch Leve i'd be.
Speaker 5 (42:15):
Back we wish all best And, darren you definitely have
a great.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Future thank, You, MIKE i appreciate you have a great.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
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