October 17, 2025 • 46 mins
Port Angeles, WA singer/songwriter spanning more than 2 decades with a dogged pursuit to make music for music’s sake Mark Fredson talks about his latest release “Company Man” featuring the title track, “Just As God Intended”, “Expectations”, “Desperate Measures” and more! Mark’s ’career highlights features as a sophomore high school when he signed his first record deal, worked with The Lonely H Band and spent 14+years in Nashville with his works ranging from outlaw country to theatrical pop and indie-pop, has a loyal following on YouTube, Spotify, etc. and shares the stories behind the music! If you like Warren Zevon, Tom Petty, or Tame Impala, check out the amazing Mark Fredson and his latest release on all major platforms today and www.missingpiecegroup.com/mark-fredson today! #markfredson #portangeleswashington #singer #songwriter #companyman #justasgodintended #expectation #desparatemeasures #thelonelyhband #nashville #outlawcountry #thatricalpop #tameimpala #warrenzevon #tompetty #spreaker #iheartradio #spotify #applemusic #youtube #anchorfm #bitchute #rumble #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnermarkfredson #themikewagnershowmarkfredson
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spending more than two decades marked by a dog and
commitment to pursue making music for music's sake. Worked with
the Lonely Eighth Band, spent fourteen years in the Nashville
Music's Team. His music ranges from outlaw country, Theaps, Goal Pop,
indie pop and MORM and loyal filing on Spotify, YouTube
and MORM. He's got the relays least called company Man.
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We'll be playing one of his tracks at the end
of the audio interview and make sure you check that
out live, ladies and on the plus dues and beautiful
downtown Port Angelus, Washington. You're managing singer songwriter from that territory,
spending more than two decades, the multi talented Mark Frantzon, Mark,
good morning, good afternoon, gave me. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Today, all those things. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
What's great to have you on board. Marks. You're a
singer songwriter from Port Angelis, Washington, spending more than two
decades marked by a joga commitment to pursuing making music
for music's sake. You've been in too music seeing fourteen
years in Nashville. You're with the Lonely Age Band. You
have ranges from an outlaw country, theatrical pop, indie pop,
and more. You have a long fie on Spotify, YouTube
(02:35):
and more. You have a new release called company Man.
We'd be playing the title track at the end of
the audio interview, plus some of the other cuts, previous
releases and more. For kitting all that, Mark, tell us
how first got started.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I think I was thrown into choir in seventh grade
just because they didn't know where else to put me.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, that's logical, it's like do something, and also your
parents Comeingie.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Williams, you got you gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It was not my choice, but I ended up being
a soprano. I ended up, like Homer Simpson, having the
Holy Night solo for the Winter concert, and I remember
getting a little taste of of life on the stage.
I actually really enjoyed singing. I kept doing it. A
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couple friends of mine decided to start a band, you know.
One of them was a drummer, one of them was
a guitarist, and they asked me if I went to join,
And even though I didn't really know how to sing,
I was in choir, and so I told them that
I did, and then I kind of figured out how
to do it along the way. I also took piano
lessons from an early age, and once I figured out
(03:44):
how to play Let it Be by the Beatles, I
got really obsessed with the idea of writing my own songs.
So joining this band just kind of happenstance with my
buddies and being thrown into choir, and then my mom
forced me to take piano lessons.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
All kind of culminated in me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Falling in love with writing and making music and singing
really kind of most of all from a pretty early age,
i'd say it. All the fireworks really went off when
I was about fourteen, and I've kind of been in
love ever since.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Oh my gosh, So you began choir? You staying in
the seventh grade? Was that writer?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, choir seventh grade and then two periods a day
all throughout high school jazz choir and symphonic choir, and
then the band formed in eighth grade, and we were
basically going from eighth grade until the age of I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
I think I was about.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Twenty four when we broke up, twenty four or twenty five,
and then I kind of just went back to the woodshed.
I was heartbroken for a while because it was my.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Whole identity.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I didn't really know what music was supposed to
be outside of that core unit of hometown boys that I,
you know, basically had been my world musically for about
twelve years, think was how long it spanned. So it
took me a few years to get my feedback on
the ground musically and decide to just be the solo
(05:08):
guy and kind of cash in on all my my my,
my Nashville musician friends that I'd made so far and
kind of formed my own band. But it, just put
my name on it and started writing, recording and uh
and producing music under my own name. And now I'm
four albums in on that front.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
That is so amazing what you've done. And what was
that one exact, precise moment that simply influenced doing what
your rest of your career. Talk about being a choir
and seventh grade and you'll get in a band eighth grade.
What was that one exact moment that simply said this
is what I'm I do.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
It was probably the eighth Great Talent Show.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
We had a an original song called Sam Can Stop
the Rain. It was kind of the Nirvana format where
you just kind of play the same chord structure for
the verse and then hit the distortion pedal for the
and all of a sudden, it's a chorus. But I
remember I had this signature move where I decided to
(06:08):
whip my jacket off during the guitar solo, and the
response was good enough to the point where I was like, Okay,
this is what's up. And then I'd say to solidify
that the band. When we were freshman in high school,
we entered a Battle of the Bands in the Big City,
Seattle at the Experienced Music Project in Seattle Center. I
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think like close to one hundred bands applied and we
were one of nine. I think they got I got
chosen that got chosen to participate, and being a freshman,
being a fourteen year old living in a small town
and getting chosen for something like that was a really
really huge deal at the time, and I think still,
(06:50):
you know, still to this day, that was kind of
served as the springboard for us to really get serious,
and we ended up getting a manager and a pretty
and we ended up getting second I think to uh
a band. Yeah, we almost got first, but this band
called mon Frere Uh they beat us out for the
(07:10):
top spot. They were a little bit older and they
played all their songs and drop D. I wonder what
they're up to.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
But yeah, basically from that point on, you know, we
released our first album when we were sophomores in high school,
our second album the two weeks after we graduated high school,
and then our third you know, maybe a year or
so later, and really just kind of hit the road hard.
And yeah, we were a bunch of you know, blonde,
long haired kids from a small town. I think it
(07:39):
was intriguing for a lot of people. I'm not sure
if the music was really that great.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I still don't. I don't go back and listen to
it that often, but I think it was earnest and
I think there was something going on enough to to warrant,
you know, a little bit of buzz. But yeah, i'd
say those those early days and all the you know,
attention you get when you're kind of when you when
you go all in as a young musician and you
(08:04):
start getting noticed, you know, you you you get hooked.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And certainly did a great job of that as well too.
And who's your mare feorite singer songs and musicians growing up?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Uh, Well, in my household, it was kind of a
mix of a lot of the stuff that my mom
grew up on, So Beatles, Crosby Stills, Nash Young, Tom Petty.
Uh but those are those were some of the the
major heavy hitters. But then you know, mix mix that
(08:38):
with you know, your your nineties girls, your Alanis Morissets
and you're Natalie Imbruglias and you're Joan Osbourne's and your
Indigo girls, you know, all that kind of like heavy
nineties little affair sort of stuff. Not that I would
say I'm super influenced by them, but they were around
(08:58):
and I think, you know, definitely definitely became part of
my musical makeup. But it wasn't until probably the friends
of mine that were in the band. They introduced me
to a larger kind of arena of classic rock. So
I started getting to Neil Young and I got in
I ended up getting into Springsteen and getting into led Zeppelin,
(09:20):
and yes a little bit more like psyde Rock, Pink
Floyd and then really what ended up being my number
one that I you know, that I had such a
major connection to as a kid and still have a
major connection to today, which is like a major through
line for me as far as inspirations go, would probably
be Tom Petty. He's kind of like the gold standard
(09:45):
for me, i'd say, and.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
Certainly did as well too. And you also got your
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It hit the amazing singer songwriter from Port Angelis, Washington,
spending more than two decades Mark fretzen Harel of Mike
Wedders Show. Before we get more into company, man, you
spent time with the Lonely Age Band fourteen years in Nashville,
and tell us more about the Lonely Age Band and
your fourteen years, especially journey going from Port Angelis over
(12:21):
the Nashville.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, we were all hometown boys. We released three records
and hit the road pretty heavily behind the latter two
of them around the ages of Way eighteen nineteen, and
we were kind of looking to make a move.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
We with an emphasis on touring.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We thought that Nashville served as a really great home
base to do a lot of like weekend runs, so
we kind of, uh, we kind of scoped it out
and that ended up really being embraced by the community there,
falling in love with the music scene at the time.
This is about twenty ten when we finally made the decision.
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We basically posted up at a show promoter's house for
a week or so, played about three or four times
at what became our favorite local haunt, the five Spot,
which is still going strong after all these years, even
after so many changes in the landscape down there. So
(13:35):
shout out to five Spot for really taking us in
and being home base for us for all those years.
Just a great stalwart. I'm not sure if I'm using
that word correctly of the mess like that. Yeah, I'm like,
I've never said that word out loud, but I'm gonna try.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's okay. You learn something new and bringing something new
every day, which is good.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Let me know in the comments if that isn't the
correct usage.
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Speaker 2 (14:06):
But so we moved back to Port Angelis. We all
got summer jobs. Springing summer jobs. Mine was down at
the Red Lion Hotel on the waterfront in my hometown
Port Angelis, Washington, which is where I am currently, and
I was cleaning rooms for about five or six months,
(14:26):
saving up to move down to Nashville. We got there
in a fall twenty ten, and we basically started hitting
the scene really hard, playing the five Spot a lot,
playing a lot of other local haunts, and made a
lot of friends. We got in with a producer down
there and made our fourth album, which I'm very proud of.
(14:49):
But it just it just took a really long time.
We had a bassist that had gotten married and had
a like, I think a second kid on the way,
or just you know, oh wow, had just had his
second child.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Uh you know.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
The other the other guys were kind of getting courted
by other by other bands. I wasn't really trying to
go that avenue of being a hired gun just yet
because I was too hungry for for the spotlight and
singing and writing my own song.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
So for me, it was kind of all or nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It was like either we we are all in when
one hundred percent on this thing, or you know, you
guys go out and do.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Do your side gigs.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I think my ego was just a little too
too bruised to accept anything other than one hundred percent commitment,
which I look back on and I think was just
kind of stupid and just like I was a little
too prideful. But you know, I was young and I
didn't know better, and it was my whole world. I
didn't really know how to venture out outside of outside
(15:51):
of the core unit, which was you know, my hometown
boys and that band. So I probably took it the hardest.
I kind of just let it disintegrate a little bit,
to tell you the truth, and I think I was
just a little too proud to admit it, and I
kind of just, yeah, I kind of just let it
die after that fourth album, and like I had mentioned earlier,
(16:17):
I kind of went back to the drawing board, you know,
had a few lost years there. But you know, a
few years later I was able to pick it up
and start playing under my own name. I want to
say it took about four years for me to play
a solo show under my own name, full band, and
then once I started going, it was like full tilt.
I was just like I was hooked again and I
was more excited about music than i'd been since I
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was a teenager. And ended up it took me a
few years to get the first album out, but I think,
you know, I got, I got sober for six months,
basically taught myself how to how to produce it myself,
and then yeah, that started the solo journey. But I
guess that's that's further than than the question that you asked.
But yeah, that's that's it in a nutshell.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I think that's a great story right there as well too.
You have Going to the Movies, Nothing but Night and
also Outskirts. Tell us more about those.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yeah, going to the Movies is the album one.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Like I said, I I didn't you know, I had
always done demos on garage band and kind of I
feel like I made really nice, fancy demos and that
was about the extent of it. But I had a
friend that told me, who was also a singer songwriter.
He said, no one's ever going to care about your
thing as much as you care about your thing, And
(17:32):
I really took that the heart, and I was like, Okay,
you know, I had the band, we had had, we
had actually come up with the arrangements on a lot
of stuff. I'd like demoed out most of the songs
on that first album, and they'd kind of embellished on them.
But for the most part, I had a vision for
almost all the parts and the bass and the kick
patterns and what I wanted to fill and you know,
(17:53):
and they brought their own juice to it, but I
was it was it was pretty much intact when I
brought those songs to but we we spent about six
months to a year, I want to say, basically playing
all those songs around town, just playing a bunch around town.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And really hitting it hard.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And then I decided, you know, instead of I, you know,
I interviewed a few different producers around town that I knew,
and kind of was like toying with the idea and
courting some people, and I realized that, like if I
wanted to do it the way that I was hearing
it in my head, and I wanted to do it,
you know, first and foremost on my own timeline and
(18:35):
with full control and a little bit cheap, more cheap
than it would be booking a bunch of studio time
with the producer who cost you know, two hundred an
hour or whatever it would be. I was like, you know, whatever,
you don't know, just figure it out. So so I
invested a little bit of a little bit of mailbox
(18:56):
money in my own recording equipment and just started started
basically really really zoning in on logic pro and turning
those demos. You know, I kept some of the core
tracks to him into what became going to the movies,
(19:16):
and then when I realized it was out of it
was out of my hands, I kicked it upstairs to
an engineer that I knew who booked a little bit
of time at a studio that he had engineered at
for years, and kind of as a favor, I just
brought him on. We didn't have to pay for the studio,
and then I brought in my rhythm section, drums and bass,
(19:39):
and we played over all of the guitar, the vocals,
the keyboards, and the percussion tracks. So we kind of
did it out of order. Everything else was done and
the last thing to be tracked on going to the
movies was the rhythm tracks, and then he ended up
mixing it, and then I had a mastering engineer that
I really respected loved in town take it from there,
(20:03):
because you know, I hit my ceiling. I was like, Okay,
I got it almost to the finish line, but I
needed help to get it to the finish line. And
every record after that kind of had its own journey,
but that was that was kind of how I finally
realized that, like I could produce my own stuff and
I didn't necessarily need as much help as I would
(20:28):
have needed five years prior. You know, I just kind of,
by sheer force of will, taught myself how to do it,
and you know, I ended up I feel like that
first record I'm still really proud of. We just had
the fifth year anniversary a couple of weeks back, which
was monumental. It seemed like yesterday. Yeah, it just so
happened that, like, you know, it was done. It was
(20:48):
probably mastered and mixed and finalized for over a year,
and then we slated it for a May fifteenth, twenty
twenty release, and then you know, mid March twenty twenty
hits and my manager at the time was like, you
still want to do this, and I'm like, I've been
sitting on this too long, Like for my own mental
(21:08):
emotional health, I need to get this out there. So
it probably wasn't the most opportune time in which to
release your debut album because I couldn't really go on
the road and promote it, you know, was courting the
booking agent and was you know there, maybe there's an
alternate world where you know, the pandemic didn't hit and
I was able to really hit it and.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Could be in a different place.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But all that being said, I got it out there
and the response was great, especially for having a pretty
small team, and kind of have kept that same very
in house, produce it myself. No one's going to care
about your thing as much as you do ethos For
the most part, every album's its own unique thing. But
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that's kind of been the foundation of in the springboard
for what became the solo career.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And how about Nothing but Night and also outscarts about those.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So so uh so Nothing but Night was written after
most of the songs on that album were written within
the span of a few months, a big creative burst
after a breakup, and I was kind of the agent
hipster out on the town and I always really wanted
to make my own heart of Saturday Night or you know,
(22:28):
like those xivon songs, an excitable boy that like oh yes,
uh huh where he's just where, he's a man about
town and uh, you know, poor poor Piti for me
and uh lawyer's guns and money. Always I wanted to
make songs like that, like I wanted. I wanted to
get that album out of my system, and I feel
like Nothing but Night is kind of that album I kept,
(22:51):
Like I said, I always made really fancy demos when
I was writing songs, and I ended up keeping a
lot of the original tracks from those demos and just
kind of really just embellishing upon them. So what you
hear on that album are almost like, very very close.
I'd say eighty percent. I did immediately after writing the songs.
(23:11):
The vocals, almost all of them are laid down, like
one two days after I wrote it, so it was
really fresh and really kind of vibrant, and I was
just really inspired. And what it lacks in production value,
I think it makes up for in in heart and
inspiration and this kind of creative fire that I was
(23:32):
feeling at the time.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So I feel like it's while I.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Sometimes I wish I could go back and like maybe
add more live drums or you know, and embellish a
little bit on the production side, I still do think
that songwriting. I feel like that was some of the
most creative just kind of just easy songs.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
They were just pouring out of me.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So nothing at night was from a fraud but very
creative and also like fun but also slightly chaotic period
in my life.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
And I think those are great inspirations. Well this led
you over to Outskirts and a bit more about that.
It seems a progress along way, especially Outskirts.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Outskirts was almost like a nothing but Night part two.
I was still I was still kind of going on
that same journey where I think I was starting to
run out of creative juices in regards to in regards
to using my my nightlife as a form of like anthropology,
(24:33):
you know, basically like mining this this party monster, aging
hipster personality for as much as I could get out
of it. And you know, you get older. It was
post pandemic then, and and I think I was just
starting to to realize that whatever whatever this lifestyle I
(24:55):
was forcing upon myself or had fallen into, was kind
of had its hooks in me, but was also draining
me of my life force. And uh if even if
it was cute in my twenties, you know, in your
early thirties, it's really not cute anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
So I think that was like it was basically.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
My last hurrah of of being a bar crawler, being
a night crawler in Nashville, which was which was a
large part of my life for a lot.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Of the time I was there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know, they say Nashville is a is a drinking
town with a music problem, and I can I can
attest to that, and I and I fell into it.
And so Outskirts is me literally kind of on the
outskirts of that lifestyle and on the on the outskirts
of what I thought was even an acceptable life and
(25:49):
trying to to mind that for all it was worth.
But I think I got squeezed every little bit of
it that I could have squeezed out on that album.
And I really wanted to just make a rock album,
kind of more in life with some of the stuff
I was making with The Lonely H. And I wanted
to showcase a guitarist that had been on the last album,
The Lonely H, that I had worked with intermittently over
(26:11):
all of my time in Nashville, a lot of cover shows,
and we just we there was a musical kismet there
and I and I feel like nobody had ever really
utilized him in the studio the way that he deserved,
because I think he's in addition to just having just
exceptional tone and just absolute encyclopedic knowledge of like classic
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rock tones and amps and pedals, and just how to
make how to make the full Moon Fever petty sound,
how to make how to make the Exile on Main Street.
Keith Richard's tone, you know, like he just in addition
to that, I think he just has taste through the
roof and I just wanted and I wrote a lot
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of those songs with him in mind. So so he's
kind of, you know, in addition of the vocals and
the songs, I think he's one of the He's one
of the main stars of that album. So I was
happy to have a moment in which to provide the
space for him to really show off because I just
think he's so great.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
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Speaker 6 (29:27):
Right?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Place right time, tuned into the Mike Wagner Show. You
heard Me, We're back with singer songwriter from Port Angeles,
Washing Mark present here and Mike Wer's show, and we
went through the lonely age going to the movies nothing
but night outskirts and this led you up to Company
(29:48):
Man your latest and tell us more about the album.
Way inspired to write it?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, yeah, it was kind of whether or not I
knew it when I started writing the album.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I think I subconsciously had this idea that a chapter
of my life was ending. I hadn't made the decision
to move back to the Northwest yet, or at least
my brain hadn't made the decision, but but I was
flirting with the idea of being sober. I want to say,
(30:20):
you know, did the in like early twenty twenty three.
I did about three months, took some time off, did
another few months, took some time off, and then I think,
you know, and I and I was starting to like
form the idea of what the record would be. I
think I had a couple of the songs, Desperate Measures
being one of them, which is kind of like I
feel like thematically falls in line even more with outskirts
(30:41):
and and and nothing but night.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But I ended up on this record and then I
just kind of went full fledged. I've been sober for
almost two years now. Not that this album's about that,
but I think it just kind of when you make
a big decision like that, and a lot of culture
and your social life in a place revolves around bars
(31:05):
and drinking, and that's your that that's just what your
social interaction springs from. Once you cut that out of
your life, you kind of get a certain clarity as
to where you stand in the city you live in,
in where you're at in your life, at your age,
in your career, as far as you know you have
(31:26):
you have difficult conversations with yourself and and I think
some of these conversations.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Are happening on Company Man.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I was starting to think about my life in the
restaurant business, because that's what everybody does when you're a
musician in Nashville, because you know, because A B and
C and a being flexible schedule and you know, be
being you don't really have to work super early in
the morning, so you can hang out at night.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But I had kind of always been regarded by whether
or not it was true, but been regarded by employers
as somewhat responsible. So I ended up being the manager
at all these places, and they always they demanded this
loyalty from me that I didn't really feel like giving them.
And I started to, I don't know, think about my
(32:15):
what part I was playing in capitalism. I was starting
to think about what part I was playing and keeping
keeping the wheels going, however small that part would be.
But you know how like the the duality of being
somebody who's loyal to an employer and loyal to you know,
who has bills to pay and it hasn't been able
(32:38):
to make their dream hasn't been able to monetize their
dream yet probably never will.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Versus versus still.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Hanging on to your dreams and and and having music
and and artistic pursuit be such a large part of
your identity ever since you were a child, you know,
because I was still so young and my brain was
still so malleable when I was, you know, telling myself
that rock and roll was my life, you know, and yeah, yeah,
I know what you mean, uh huh, And was getting
(33:10):
the attention from such an early age, and people, you know,
solidifying that for me and telling me that, yeah, it
should be your Everything you guys are doing is great.
So that was that was who I became. I became
marked the musician. And and you know, you make it
to your early thirties and you're proud of the work
(33:30):
that you've done, but you're not where you thought you
were going to be when you were sixteen releasing your
first album, you were like, oh, yeah, by the some
of in my early thirties, you know this, that and
the other. Uh, And I wasn't able to check those boxes,
a lot of those boxes. And so I think on
this record, you're having hard hard I was. I'm having
hard conversations with myself about where I stand with getting older,
(33:54):
where I stand with.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
With my place.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
In in capitalism, in uh, you know, on the on
the social realm, and and with my status as somebody
who's been chasing their dreams their whole adult life and
most of their adolescent life, and and trying to reckon
(34:22):
with whether it was the right decision or and just
reckon with what's that, what that has meant for for
the rest of my life moving forward, and for you know,
for my relationships, And yeah, it's heavy stuff. So just
as God intendants me kind of reckon with that. That's
(34:42):
that is very very is the last song on the album,
and it's basically my goodbye to Nashville song. That's something
that I really needed to write. Was very therapeutic for me,
kind of kind of saying it in a very z
Vonnie style, tried to be bombastic with it, and but
it's still yeah, it's still kind of still gets to
(35:04):
me even when I listen to I don't listen to
it all the time, but if I throw it on, yeah,
I feel like it's a little painful, but I'm glad
I got it out of my system. So yeah, that's
that's Company Man in a nutshell.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I think did a great job as well too. And
where can we find a company? All your works at Mark?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, so Mark fredst bandcamp dot com. You can buy
them all. You can also holler at me via Instagram
and I have some physical copies. I'm a small enough
operation that all I gotta do is just message me
and uh and I will send you a CD. I
have Company Man on CD. I have Going to the
Movies on compact disc as well. I don't have two
(35:49):
and three nothing, but Night and outskirts yet, but with
enough demand maybe I'll print them. But other than that,
you know, all the streaming platforms if you just looking
to check it out and get a feel for it, Spotify,
Apple Music, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
And well certainly checked out as well with you amazing
Mark Frezen of Company Man here on the Mike Winters
Show March is a few more things. What else can
we expect from you in twenty twenty five and beyond?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You know, just finally got a band together up in
the Northwest. I got some buddies in Seattle that backed
me up last week for a show and Ballard and
I finally broke my full band dry spell with them
and that felt really good.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
So hopefully being.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Hitting the scene regionally, either with a full band or solo.
And I have this idea in my back pocket that
I've had for years that is starting to really the
seeds are really starting to grow about an album with
the main focus on my hometown, thinking kind of like
Heartland rock and roll Springsteen esque, sort of like scenes
(36:59):
from my weird, kind of screwed up little town that
I think is absolutely a beautiful, intriguing place with some
dark corners and some really really light pockets as well.
I think there's a lot of stories to be told
from this town, and it's a really daunting task, but
I feel like I'm up for it. But I just
I take it really seriously and I and I haven't
(37:22):
really attempted anything to that with that sort of scope yet,
but I think that's the next thing I want to make.
So I'm just kind of excited about making that for
the most part.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And we're looking forward to as well. Mark who to
consider biggest influence in the career.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Like, like I mentioned before, it's probably it's probably gotta
be Tom Patty.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I listened to him when I was growing up. He
was my first concert. I ended up seeing him three times.
There's just his songs speak to me. I feel like
he was pulling them out of the ether. They just
they're timeless, they're relatable, they sound great. It's just like
the perfect the perfect kind of rock and roll for me,
Like it's it just feels so classic and perfect. And
(38:07):
I just love the way the drums sound, I love
the guitar sounds. I love his voice. If there's ever
been an artist that I'm the most influenced by and
like it's easy to tell.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It. It's got to be him.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
And certainly as as well too. What's the best advice
you can give the a at.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
This point if you're young, and you're and you're starting out,
and you and you want to play music, and you
want to make records and you want to be in
a band, just make it your priority, you know, you know,
do be poor, write a lot, play a lot, and
(38:45):
just live in it. Just make it your world. Turn
train your brain to see everything within the parameters of
of how could this be a song?
Speaker 6 (38:56):
You know, make it make it your life. And and if.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
If it's your life, then when people hear you, they'll
believe you, they'll trust you that you're doing it for
the right reasons. And and I feel like that's the
best way to really, uh to to really make it happen,
you know it, and even if it doesn't, there's a
lot of different ways in which to be happy making music.
(39:23):
You know, so many great artists out there that don't
end up having a successful career, not because they're not great,
just because there's only so much room. But there's a
lot of different ways to be happy making music. And
as long as you do it for the right reasons,
and you do it just because you can't think of
doing anything else, and and you you believe in your
(39:49):
heart of hearts that you have something to say, then
then it's worth.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It and certainly worth it as well too, And you're
doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Worth you.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Amazing multi talented singer songwriter from Port Angeles, Washington, Mark
Fredswan with company manager on Mike Whders show plays the
title track at the end of the audio interview. Make
sure you check that out. Mark a very big thanks
for the time. You've been absolutely fantastic. Learned a lot
looking Ford Hamn soon keep us up today, keep in touch,
lave heavy back and watch your website. How do people
contact you? And we can people purchase or check out
(40:20):
your music?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, so no official website, but you can. You can
find me on the socials. Instagram is where it's going
to be most up to date. I hop on Facebook
as well. Feel free to message me about CDs. I
can just go ahead and send them your way. I
got a couple of bubble mailers ready to go, so yeah,
that's an easy way to get a hold of me,
(40:43):
and then you can find me on any of the
streaming platforms as well well.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Certainly check that out once again, Market very big thanks
for time. You've been absolutely fantastic looking ford Hamn soon
keep us up to date, keep in touch, love heavy back,
we wish I'll best and Mark you definitely have a
great feature.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
He you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I don't want to be a company made. I don't
want to know the pain I've given you had no
my I someone who's Eska.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
But my time's going short of me.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I don't want to lose the light. I don't want
to be a comp time a copy. You want east
me on the screen. That'll be hard for you to understand.
(42:04):
Put him hanging on the dreams. Maybe only by couple three,
but I'm holding on this time. I don't want to
be COMPI.
Speaker 8 (42:58):
There's a companyment don't at the gy. We hate to
see the wheels go bron.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
So we gotta do my ship doing that.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
I don't say that guy had ever chol I'll served.
We gotta do it for the color, that's right, the count,
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the counting, the.
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spending more than two decades marked by a dog and
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spending more than two decades, the multi talented Mark Frantzon, Mark,
good morning, good afternoon, gave me. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Today, all those things. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
What's great to have you on board. Marks. You're a
singer songwriter from Port Angelis, Washington, spending more than two
decades marked by a joga commitment to pursuing making music
for music's sake. You've been in too music seeing fourteen
years in Nashville. You're with the Lonely Age Band. You
have ranges from an outlaw country, theatrical pop, indie pop,
and more. You have a long fie on Spotify, YouTube
(02:35):
and more. You have a new release called company Man.
We'd be playing the title track at the end of
the audio interview, plus some of the other cuts, previous
releases and more. For kitting all that, Mark, tell us
how first got started.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
I think I was thrown into choir in seventh grade
just because they didn't know where else to put me.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Well, that's logical, it's like do something, and also your
parents Comeingie.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Williams, you got you gotta go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It was not my choice, but I ended up being
a soprano. I ended up, like Homer Simpson, having the
Holy Night solo for the Winter concert, and I remember
getting a little taste of of life on the stage.
I actually really enjoyed singing. I kept doing it. A
(03:23):
couple friends of mine decided to start a band, you know.
One of them was a drummer, one of them was
a guitarist, and they asked me if I went to join,
And even though I didn't really know how to sing,
I was in choir, and so I told them that
I did, and then I kind of figured out how
to do it along the way. I also took piano
lessons from an early age, and once I figured out
(03:44):
how to play Let it Be by the Beatles, I
got really obsessed with the idea of writing my own songs.
So joining this band just kind of happenstance with my
buddies and being thrown into choir, and then my mom
forced me to take piano lessons.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
All kind of culminated in me.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Falling in love with writing and making music and singing
really kind of most of all from a pretty early age,
i'd say it. All the fireworks really went off when
I was about fourteen, and I've kind of been in
love ever since.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Oh my gosh, So you began choir? You staying in
the seventh grade? Was that writer?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, choir seventh grade and then two periods a day
all throughout high school jazz choir and symphonic choir, and
then the band formed in eighth grade, and we were
basically going from eighth grade until the age of I
don't know.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
I think I was about.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Twenty four when we broke up, twenty four or twenty five,
and then I kind of just went back to the woodshed.
I was heartbroken for a while because it was my.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
Whole identity.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And I didn't really know what music was supposed to
be outside of that core unit of hometown boys that I,
you know, basically had been my world musically for about
twelve years, think was how long it spanned. So it
took me a few years to get my feedback on
the ground musically and decide to just be the solo
(05:08):
guy and kind of cash in on all my my my,
my Nashville musician friends that I'd made so far and
kind of formed my own band. But it, just put
my name on it and started writing, recording and uh
and producing music under my own name. And now I'm
four albums in on that front.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
That is so amazing what you've done. And what was
that one exact, precise moment that simply influenced doing what
your rest of your career. Talk about being a choir
and seventh grade and you'll get in a band eighth grade.
What was that one exact moment that simply said this
is what I'm I do.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
It was probably the eighth Great Talent Show.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
We had a an original song called Sam Can Stop
the Rain. It was kind of the Nirvana format where
you just kind of play the same chord structure for
the verse and then hit the distortion pedal for the
and all of a sudden, it's a chorus. But I
remember I had this signature move where I decided to
(06:08):
whip my jacket off during the guitar solo, and the
response was good enough to the point where I was like, Okay,
this is what's up. And then I'd say to solidify
that the band. When we were freshman in high school,
we entered a Battle of the Bands in the Big City,
Seattle at the Experienced Music Project in Seattle Center. I
(06:28):
think like close to one hundred bands applied and we
were one of nine. I think they got I got
chosen that got chosen to participate, and being a freshman,
being a fourteen year old living in a small town
and getting chosen for something like that was a really
really huge deal at the time, and I think still,
(06:50):
you know, still to this day, that was kind of
served as the springboard for us to really get serious,
and we ended up getting a manager and a pretty
and we ended up getting second I think to uh
a band. Yeah, we almost got first, but this band
called mon Frere Uh they beat us out for the
(07:10):
top spot. They were a little bit older and they
played all their songs and drop D. I wonder what
they're up to.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
But yeah, basically from that point on, you know, we
released our first album when we were sophomores in high school,
our second album the two weeks after we graduated high school,
and then our third you know, maybe a year or
so later, and really just kind of hit the road hard.
And yeah, we were a bunch of you know, blonde,
long haired kids from a small town. I think it
(07:39):
was intriguing for a lot of people. I'm not sure
if the music was really that great.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I still don't. I don't go back and listen to
it that often, but I think it was earnest and
I think there was something going on enough to to warrant,
you know, a little bit of buzz. But yeah, i'd
say those those early days and all the you know,
attention you get when you're kind of when you when
you go all in as a young musician and you
(08:04):
start getting noticed, you know, you you you get hooked.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And certainly did a great job of that as well too.
And who's your mare feorite singer songs and musicians growing up?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Uh, Well, in my household, it was kind of a
mix of a lot of the stuff that my mom
grew up on, So Beatles, Crosby Stills, Nash Young, Tom Petty.
Uh but those are those were some of the the
major heavy hitters. But then you know, mix mix that
(08:38):
with you know, your your nineties girls, your Alanis Morissets
and you're Natalie Imbruglias and you're Joan Osbourne's and your
Indigo girls, you know, all that kind of like heavy
nineties little affair sort of stuff. Not that I would
say I'm super influenced by them, but they were around
(08:58):
and I think, you know, definitely definitely became part of
my musical makeup. But it wasn't until probably the friends
of mine that were in the band. They introduced me
to a larger kind of arena of classic rock. So
I started getting to Neil Young and I got in
I ended up getting into Springsteen and getting into led Zeppelin,
(09:20):
and yes a little bit more like psyde Rock, Pink
Floyd and then really what ended up being my number
one that I you know, that I had such a
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It hit the amazing singer songwriter from Port Angelis, Washington,
spending more than two decades Mark fretzen Harel of Mike
Wedders Show. Before we get more into company, man, you
spent time with the Lonely Age Band fourteen years in Nashville,
and tell us more about the Lonely Age Band and
your fourteen years, especially journey going from Port Angelis over
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the Nashville.
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, we were all hometown boys. We released three records
and hit the road pretty heavily behind the latter two
of them around the ages of Way eighteen nineteen, and
we were kind of looking to make a move.
Speaker 6 (12:45):
We with an emphasis on touring.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
We thought that Nashville served as a really great home
base to do a lot of like weekend runs, so
we kind of, uh, we kind of scoped it out
and that ended up really being embraced by the community there,
falling in love with the music scene at the time.
This is about twenty ten when we finally made the decision.
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We basically posted up at a show promoter's house for
a week or so, played about three or four times
at what became our favorite local haunt, the five Spot,
which is still going strong after all these years, even
after so many changes in the landscape down there. So
(13:35):
shout out to five Spot for really taking us in
and being home base for us for all those years.
Just a great stalwart. I'm not sure if I'm using
that word correctly of the mess like that. Yeah, I'm like,
I've never said that word out loud, but I'm gonna try.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's okay. You learn something new and bringing something new
every day, which is good.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Let me know in the comments if that isn't the
correct usage.
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Speaker 2 (14:06):
But so we moved back to Port Angelis. We all
got summer jobs. Springing summer jobs. Mine was down at
the Red Lion Hotel on the waterfront in my hometown
Port Angelis, Washington, which is where I am currently, and
I was cleaning rooms for about five or six months,
(14:26):
saving up to move down to Nashville. We got there
in a fall twenty ten, and we basically started hitting
the scene really hard, playing the five Spot a lot,
playing a lot of other local haunts, and made a
lot of friends. We got in with a producer down
there and made our fourth album, which I'm very proud of.
(14:49):
But it just it just took a really long time.
We had a bassist that had gotten married and had
a like, I think a second kid on the way,
or just you know, oh wow, had just had his
second child.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Uh you know.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
The other the other guys were kind of getting courted
by other by other bands. I wasn't really trying to
go that avenue of being a hired gun just yet
because I was too hungry for for the spotlight and
singing and writing my own song.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
So for me, it was kind of all or nothing.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
It was like either we we are all in when
one hundred percent on this thing, or you know, you
guys go out and do.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Do your side gigs.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And I think my ego was just a little too
too bruised to accept anything other than one hundred percent commitment,
which I look back on and I think was just
kind of stupid and just like I was a little
too prideful. But you know, I was young and I
didn't know better, and it was my whole world. I
didn't really know how to venture out outside of outside
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of the core unit, which was you know, my hometown
boys and that band. So I probably took it the hardest.
I kind of just let it disintegrate a little bit,
to tell you the truth, and I think I was
just a little too proud to admit it, and I
kind of just, yeah, I kind of just let it
die after that fourth album, and like I had mentioned earlier,
(16:17):
I kind of went back to the drawing board, you know,
had a few lost years there. But you know, a
few years later I was able to pick it up
and start playing under my own name. I want to
say it took about four years for me to play
a solo show under my own name, full band, and
then once I started going, it was like full tilt.
I was just like I was hooked again and I
was more excited about music than i'd been since I
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was a teenager. And ended up it took me a
few years to get the first album out, but I think,
you know, I got, I got sober for six months,
basically taught myself how to how to produce it myself,
and then yeah, that started the solo journey. But I
guess that's that's further than than the question that you asked.
But yeah, that's that's it in a nutshell.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I think that's a great story right there as well too.
You have Going to the Movies, Nothing but Night and
also Outskirts. Tell us more about those.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yeah, going to the Movies is the album one.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Like I said, I I didn't you know, I had
always done demos on garage band and kind of I
feel like I made really nice, fancy demos and that
was about the extent of it. But I had a
friend that told me, who was also a singer songwriter.
He said, no one's ever going to care about your
thing as much as you care about your thing, And
(17:32):
I really took that the heart, and I was like, Okay,
you know, I had the band, we had had, we
had actually come up with the arrangements on a lot
of stuff. I'd like demoed out most of the songs
on that first album, and they'd kind of embellished on them.
But for the most part, I had a vision for
almost all the parts and the bass and the kick
patterns and what I wanted to fill and you know,
(17:53):
and they brought their own juice to it, but I
was it was it was pretty much intact when I
brought those songs to but we we spent about six
months to a year, I want to say, basically playing
all those songs around town, just playing a bunch around town.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
And really hitting it hard.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And then I decided, you know, instead of I, you know,
I interviewed a few different producers around town that I knew,
and kind of was like toying with the idea and
courting some people, and I realized that, like if I
wanted to do it the way that I was hearing
it in my head, and I wanted to do it,
you know, first and foremost on my own timeline and
(18:35):
with full control and a little bit cheap, more cheap
than it would be booking a bunch of studio time
with the producer who cost you know, two hundred an
hour or whatever it would be. I was like, you know, whatever,
you don't know, just figure it out. So so I
invested a little bit of a little bit of mailbox
(18:56):
money in my own recording equipment and just started started
basically really really zoning in on logic pro and turning
those demos. You know, I kept some of the core
tracks to him into what became going to the movies,
(19:16):
and then when I realized it was out of it
was out of my hands, I kicked it upstairs to
an engineer that I knew who booked a little bit
of time at a studio that he had engineered at
for years, and kind of as a favor, I just
brought him on. We didn't have to pay for the studio,
and then I brought in my rhythm section, drums and bass,
(19:39):
and we played over all of the guitar, the vocals,
the keyboards, and the percussion tracks. So we kind of
did it out of order. Everything else was done and
the last thing to be tracked on going to the
movies was the rhythm tracks, and then he ended up
mixing it, and then I had a mastering engineer that
I really respected loved in town take it from there,
(20:03):
because you know, I hit my ceiling. I was like, Okay,
I got it almost to the finish line, but I
needed help to get it to the finish line. And
every record after that kind of had its own journey,
but that was that was kind of how I finally
realized that, like I could produce my own stuff and
I didn't necessarily need as much help as I would
(20:28):
have needed five years prior. You know, I just kind of,
by sheer force of will, taught myself how to do it,
and you know, I ended up I feel like that
first record I'm still really proud of. We just had
the fifth year anniversary a couple of weeks back, which
was monumental. It seemed like yesterday. Yeah, it just so
happened that, like, you know, it was done. It was
(20:48):
probably mastered and mixed and finalized for over a year,
and then we slated it for a May fifteenth, twenty
twenty release, and then you know, mid March twenty twenty
hits and my manager at the time was like, you
still want to do this, and I'm like, I've been
sitting on this too long, Like for my own mental
(21:08):
emotional health, I need to get this out there. So
it probably wasn't the most opportune time in which to
release your debut album because I couldn't really go on
the road and promote it, you know, was courting the
booking agent and was you know there, maybe there's an
alternate world where you know, the pandemic didn't hit and
I was able to really hit it and.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Could be in a different place.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
But all that being said, I got it out there
and the response was great, especially for having a pretty
small team, and kind of have kept that same very
in house, produce it myself. No one's going to care
about your thing as much as you do ethos For
the most part, every album's its own unique thing. But
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that's kind of been the foundation of in the springboard
for what became the solo career.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
And how about Nothing but Night and also outscarts about those.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So so uh so Nothing but Night was written after
most of the songs on that album were written within
the span of a few months, a big creative burst
after a breakup, and I was kind of the agent
hipster out on the town and I always really wanted
to make my own heart of Saturday Night or you know,
(22:28):
like those xivon songs, an excitable boy that like oh yes,
uh huh where he's just where, he's a man about
town and uh, you know, poor poor Piti for me
and uh lawyer's guns and money. Always I wanted to
make songs like that, like I wanted. I wanted to
get that album out of my system, and I feel
like Nothing but Night is kind of that album I kept,
(22:51):
Like I said, I always made really fancy demos when
I was writing songs, and I ended up keeping a
lot of the original tracks from those demos and just
kind of really just embellishing upon them. So what you
hear on that album are almost like, very very close.
I'd say eighty percent. I did immediately after writing the songs.
(23:11):
The vocals, almost all of them are laid down, like
one two days after I wrote it, so it was
really fresh and really kind of vibrant, and I was
just really inspired. And what it lacks in production value,
I think it makes up for in in heart and
inspiration and this kind of creative fire that I was
(23:32):
feeling at the time.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So I feel like it's while I.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Sometimes I wish I could go back and like maybe
add more live drums or you know, and embellish a
little bit on the production side, I still do think
that songwriting. I feel like that was some of the
most creative just kind of just easy songs.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
They were just pouring out of me.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
So nothing at night was from a fraud but very
creative and also like fun but also slightly chaotic period
in my life.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
And I think those are great inspirations. Well this led
you over to Outskirts and a bit more about that.
It seems a progress along way, especially Outskirts.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Outskirts was almost like a nothing but Night part two.
I was still I was still kind of going on
that same journey where I think I was starting to
run out of creative juices in regards to in regards
to using my my nightlife as a form of like anthropology,
(24:33):
you know, basically like mining this this party monster, aging
hipster personality for as much as I could get out
of it. And you know, you get older. It was
post pandemic then, and and I think I was just
starting to to realize that whatever whatever this lifestyle I
(24:55):
was forcing upon myself or had fallen into, was kind
of had its hooks in me, but was also draining
me of my life force. And uh if even if
it was cute in my twenties, you know, in your
early thirties, it's really not cute anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
So I think that was like it was basically.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
My last hurrah of of being a bar crawler, being
a night crawler in Nashville, which was which was a
large part of my life for a lot.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Of the time I was there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
You know, they say Nashville is a is a drinking
town with a music problem, and I can I can
attest to that, and I and I fell into it.
And so Outskirts is me literally kind of on the
outskirts of that lifestyle and on the on the outskirts
of what I thought was even an acceptable life and
(25:49):
trying to to mind that for all it was worth.
But I think I got squeezed every little bit of
it that I could have squeezed out on that album.
And I really wanted to just make a rock album,
kind of more in life with some of the stuff
I was making with The Lonely H. And I wanted
to showcase a guitarist that had been on the last album,
The Lonely H, that I had worked with intermittently over
(26:11):
all of my time in Nashville, a lot of cover shows,
and we just we there was a musical kismet there
and I and I feel like nobody had ever really
utilized him in the studio the way that he deserved,
because I think he's in addition to just having just
exceptional tone and just absolute encyclopedic knowledge of like classic
(26:37):
rock tones and amps and pedals, and just how to
make how to make the full Moon Fever petty sound,
how to make how to make the Exile on Main Street.
Keith Richard's tone, you know, like he just in addition
to that, I think he just has taste through the
roof and I just wanted and I wrote a lot
(26:57):
of those songs with him in mind. So so he's
kind of, you know, in addition of the vocals and
the songs, I think he's one of the He's one
of the main stars of that album. So I was
happy to have a moment in which to provide the
space for him to really show off because I just
think he's so great.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
So that was outskirts right.
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went through the lonely age going to the movies nothing
but night outskirts and this led you up to Company
(29:48):
Man your latest and tell us more about the album.
Way inspired to write it?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, yeah, it was kind of whether or not I
knew it when I started writing the album.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
I think I subconsciously had this idea that a chapter
of my life was ending. I hadn't made the decision
to move back to the Northwest yet, or at least
my brain hadn't made the decision, but but I was
flirting with the idea of being sober. I want to say,
(30:20):
you know, did the in like early twenty twenty three.
I did about three months, took some time off, did
another few months, took some time off, and then I think,
you know, and I and I was starting to like
form the idea of what the record would be. I
think I had a couple of the songs, Desperate Measures
being one of them, which is kind of like I
feel like thematically falls in line even more with outskirts
(30:41):
and and and nothing but night.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
But I ended up on this record and then I
just kind of went full fledged. I've been sober for
almost two years now. Not that this album's about that,
but I think it just kind of when you make
a big decision like that, and a lot of culture
and your social life in a place revolves around bars
(31:05):
and drinking, and that's your that that's just what your
social interaction springs from. Once you cut that out of
your life, you kind of get a certain clarity as
to where you stand in the city you live in,
in where you're at in your life, at your age,
in your career, as far as you know you have
(31:26):
you have difficult conversations with yourself and and I think
some of these conversations.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Are happening on Company Man.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I was starting to think about my life in the
restaurant business, because that's what everybody does when you're a
musician in Nashville, because you know, because A B and
C and a being flexible schedule and you know, be
being you don't really have to work super early in
the morning, so you can hang out at night.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Uh, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But I had kind of always been regarded by whether
or not it was true, but been regarded by employers
as somewhat responsible. So I ended up being the manager
at all these places, and they always they demanded this
loyalty from me that I didn't really feel like giving them.
And I started to, I don't know, think about my
(32:15):
what part I was playing in capitalism. I was starting
to think about what part I was playing and keeping
keeping the wheels going, however small that part would be.
But you know how like the the duality of being
somebody who's loyal to an employer and loyal to you know,
who has bills to pay and it hasn't been able
(32:38):
to make their dream hasn't been able to monetize their
dream yet probably never will.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Versus versus still.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Hanging on to your dreams and and and having music
and and artistic pursuit be such a large part of
your identity ever since you were a child, you know,
because I was still so young and my brain was
still so malleable when I was, you know, telling myself
that rock and roll was my life, you know, and yeah, yeah,
I know what you mean, uh huh, And was getting
(33:10):
the attention from such an early age, and people, you know,
solidifying that for me and telling me that, yeah, it
should be your Everything you guys are doing is great.
So that was that was who I became. I became
marked the musician. And and you know, you make it
to your early thirties and you're proud of the work
(33:30):
that you've done, but you're not where you thought you
were going to be when you were sixteen releasing your
first album, you were like, oh, yeah, by the some
of in my early thirties, you know this, that and
the other. Uh, And I wasn't able to check those boxes,
a lot of those boxes. And so I think on
this record, you're having hard hard I was. I'm having
hard conversations with myself about where I stand with getting older,
(33:54):
where I stand with.
Speaker 6 (33:58):
With my place.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
In in capitalism, in uh, you know, on the on
the social realm, and and with my status as somebody
who's been chasing their dreams their whole adult life and
most of their adolescent life, and and trying to reckon
(34:22):
with whether it was the right decision or and just
reckon with what's that, what that has meant for for
the rest of my life moving forward, and for you know,
for my relationships, And yeah, it's heavy stuff. So just
as God intendants me kind of reckon with that. That's
(34:42):
that is very very is the last song on the album,
and it's basically my goodbye to Nashville song. That's something
that I really needed to write. Was very therapeutic for me,
kind of kind of saying it in a very z
Vonnie style, tried to be bombastic with it, and but
it's still yeah, it's still kind of still gets to
(35:04):
me even when I listen to I don't listen to
it all the time, but if I throw it on, yeah,
I feel like it's a little painful, but I'm glad
I got it out of my system. So yeah, that's
that's Company Man in a nutshell.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
I think did a great job as well too. And
where can we find a company? All your works at Mark?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, so Mark fredst bandcamp dot com. You can buy
them all. You can also holler at me via Instagram
and I have some physical copies. I'm a small enough
operation that all I gotta do is just message me
and uh and I will send you a CD. I
have Company Man on CD. I have Going to the
Movies on compact disc as well. I don't have two
(35:49):
and three nothing, but Night and outskirts yet, but with
enough demand maybe I'll print them. But other than that,
you know, all the streaming platforms if you just looking
to check it out and get a feel for it, Spotify,
Apple Music, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
And well certainly checked out as well with you amazing
Mark Frezen of Company Man here on the Mike Winters
Show March is a few more things. What else can
we expect from you in twenty twenty five and beyond?
Speaker 2 (36:17):
You know, just finally got a band together up in
the Northwest. I got some buddies in Seattle that backed
me up last week for a show and Ballard and
I finally broke my full band dry spell with them
and that felt really good.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
So hopefully being.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Hitting the scene regionally, either with a full band or solo.
And I have this idea in my back pocket that
I've had for years that is starting to really the
seeds are really starting to grow about an album with
the main focus on my hometown, thinking kind of like
Heartland rock and roll Springsteen esque, sort of like scenes
(36:59):
from my weird, kind of screwed up little town that
I think is absolutely a beautiful, intriguing place with some
dark corners and some really really light pockets as well.
I think there's a lot of stories to be told
from this town, and it's a really daunting task, but
I feel like I'm up for it. But I just
I take it really seriously and I and I haven't
(37:22):
really attempted anything to that with that sort of scope yet,
but I think that's the next thing I want to make.
So I'm just kind of excited about making that for
the most part.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
And we're looking forward to as well. Mark who to
consider biggest influence in the career.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Like, like I mentioned before, it's probably it's probably gotta
be Tom Patty.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I listened to him when I was growing up. He
was my first concert. I ended up seeing him three times.
There's just his songs speak to me. I feel like
he was pulling them out of the ether. They just
they're timeless, they're relatable, they sound great. It's just like
the perfect the perfect kind of rock and roll for me,
Like it's it just feels so classic and perfect. And
(38:07):
I just love the way the drums sound, I love
the guitar sounds. I love his voice. If there's ever
been an artist that I'm the most influenced by and
like it's easy to tell.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
It. It's got to be him.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
And certainly as as well too. What's the best advice
you can give the a at.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
This point if you're young, and you're and you're starting out,
and you and you want to play music, and you
want to make records and you want to be in
a band, just make it your priority, you know, you know,
do be poor, write a lot, play a lot, and
(38:45):
just live in it. Just make it your world. Turn
train your brain to see everything within the parameters of
of how could this be a song?
Speaker 6 (38:56):
You know, make it make it your life. And and if.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
If it's your life, then when people hear you, they'll
believe you, they'll trust you that you're doing it for
the right reasons. And and I feel like that's the
best way to really, uh to to really make it happen,
you know it, and even if it doesn't, there's a
lot of different ways in which to be happy making music.
(39:23):
You know, so many great artists out there that don't
end up having a successful career, not because they're not great,
just because there's only so much room. But there's a
lot of different ways to be happy making music. And
as long as you do it for the right reasons,
and you do it just because you can't think of
doing anything else, and and you you believe in your
(39:49):
heart of hearts that you have something to say, then
then it's worth.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It and certainly worth it as well too, And you're
doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Worth you.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Amazing multi talented singer songwriter from Port Angeles, Washington, Mark
Fredswan with company manager on Mike Whders show plays the
title track at the end of the audio interview. Make
sure you check that out. Mark a very big thanks
for the time. You've been absolutely fantastic. Learned a lot
looking Ford Hamn soon keep us up today, keep in touch,
lave heavy back and watch your website. How do people
contact you? And we can people purchase or check out
(40:20):
your music?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, so no official website, but you can. You can
find me on the socials. Instagram is where it's going
to be most up to date. I hop on Facebook
as well. Feel free to message me about CDs. I
can just go ahead and send them your way. I
got a couple of bubble mailers ready to go, so yeah,
that's an easy way to get a hold of me,
(40:43):
and then you can find me on any of the
streaming platforms as well well.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Certainly check that out once again, Market very big thanks
for time. You've been absolutely fantastic looking ford Hamn soon
keep us up to date, keep in touch, love heavy back,
we wish I'll best and Mark you definitely have a
great feature.
Speaker 6 (40:57):
He you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I don't want to be a company made. I don't
want to know the pain I've given you had no
my I someone who's Eska.
Speaker 6 (41:37):
But my time's going short of me.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I don't want to lose the light. I don't want
to be a comp time a copy. You want east
me on the screen. That'll be hard for you to understand.
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Put him hanging on the dreams. Maybe only by couple three,
but I'm holding on this time. I don't want to
be COMPI.
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see the wheels go bron.
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So we gotta do my ship doing that.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
I don't say that guy had ever chol I'll served.
We gotta do it for the color, that's right, the count,
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the counting, the.
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