December 17, 2025 • 51 mins
The multi-talented author/publishing trailblazer and literary maverick Bob Martin is a story of reinvention and resilience with a remarkable journey as criminal attorney, social worker, therapist, professor and mindfulness teacher! Bob was also a columnist, happiness coach diverse in various spiritual paths while drawing extensive experience from his professions to help others discover clarity, resilience and peace plus served a stint under prosecutor Janet Reno during the Miami cocaine era and the author of “Children of Abraham”, “I Am The Way” and shares numerous stories of his amazing careers! Check out Bob Martin and all his works at www.awiseandhappylife.com & www.linktr.ee/themikewagnershow today! #podmatch #bobmartin #author #publishingtrailblazer #reinventionandresilience #literarymaverick #criminalattorney #socialworker #therapist #spiritual #janetreno #miami #childrenofabraham #iamtheway #spreaker #spotify #iheartradio #applemusic #bitchute #rumble #youtube #mikewagner #themikewagnershow #mikewagnerbobmartin #themikewagnershowbobmartin
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the amazing gentleman who's an author, publishing trailblazer and literary
maverick with remarkable journey as a criminal trial attorney, social worker, therapist,
professor and mindfulness teacher.
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Also a calumnist, happiness coach and also diverse in a
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Way Live Lace and gentlemen in the Plus Studios, vacationing
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beautiful out there. I wish we were there. The amazing
author publishing trail blazer literary Maverick a story of reinvention
and resilience with his two books Children of Abraham and
I'm the Way.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The multi talent Bob Martin. Bob, good morning, good afternoon,
good evening. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and thanks for having me.
And what a great platform was going to be all
over the world. I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
What's great to have you on board too, even in
Costa Rico. It gets to be heard, which is great
about this.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's so amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
So you're an author publishing trail blazer literary Maverick who
Marcole journey as a criminal trial attorney, social worker, therapist,
and a professional professor in mindfulness. You also are communists,
happiness coach in diverse and various spiritual paths. You draw
extense of experience free professions to help others discover their experience, clarity, resilience,
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and peace. You have two books called Children of Abraham,
and I'm the way. You also were works of stamps
or prosecutor under gen Renal during Miami's cocaine era before
getting out with your two bocks. In an amazing story,
Bob tell us how I first got started?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
First got started in what way?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Back machine?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Way back, Bob, you don't think back, remember remember Sherman,
mister Peabody, into the time into the time machine?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Or if you're into doctor who guitar is good? Doctor?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, you know, just to give you like a frame
of reference, you know, my my growing up years, you know,
the elementary school years. Just to give you a frame
of reference, those were the Eisenhower years.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Eisenhower years.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Okay, yeah, that's all I mean, good thing that goes
way back. I was born in nineteen fifty and and
so yeah, my you know, my growing up years were
the fifties, and then my high school years were the sixties,
and my college years were you know, the sixties and seventies,
and so you know all that hippie dippy stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Oh yeah, yes, yes, George Carlin alike, yes, yeah, yeah,
no cos as a youngster too, so he was into it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, those were all the influences, Those were all the
influences that had. But if you want to go way
back and ask me, like, what were some of the
big influences in my life back from those days, I
would say, you know, there were two books that made
a big difference in my life. One of them was
To Kill a Mockingbird and Atticus Finch, you know, the
lawyer in the book. He was such a you know,
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such a what I would call a quiet hero, you
know he was. He was a humble, quiet, confident hero
who just you know, he did the right thing without
any fanfare. It was just, you know, you just do
the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
And you know, he held he stood up for justice
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and fairness. And I don't know, I read that when
I was an early teenager, like thirteen or fourteen, and
I just fell in love with the guy. And I guess,
you know, that might be why I eventually became a lawyer.
And the other book that had a big influence on
me was was Don Quixote de la Mancha Man of
la Mancha.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Oh yeah, my favorite, especially a movie, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Uh huh, yeah, you know, to dream the impossible dream.
And this guy was another one who was you know,
he was a crazy dude, but you know, he was
going to stand up for honor and for justice, and
you know, fighting against these windmills which he thought were
great demons, and his craziness, but nevertheless, you know that
(05:55):
that backbone of righteousness. It was something that affected me.
And so I think those were two big influences in
my life. And I would have to say there's one
other that I ought to mention, and it was a
guy named Dennis Geezy. Dennis Geezy was my eighth grade
English teacher. Interesting, yeah, and and I don't know why,
(06:20):
I don't remember any of the details of it, but
one day in class he held up a composition I
had written and he just went on and on about
how great it was. And I think that that would
probably lay the seed for me to become a writer.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
As thanks your eighth grade teacher.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, thanks, And actually in my second book, I dedicated
it to him.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Okay, and that's I'm is that the I am the
way or children, I am the way. I am the way?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, all right, So I just want to get that
clear here, so yeah, I keep going here. So I
just wanted to get that clear, so keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah. So so I grew up, I was. I was
a big boy. Uh, you know I was. In those days,
we called them chubby. Actually the word that was used
was husky, and J. C. Pennies was the only store
in town that had a husky department. Oh I remember that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yes, I remember the husky department. But that was a
good thing back then. It's like, you know, Husky says, hey,
that's a good thing. You're you're a Husky player. You're
a great football player. Of course, got the corner Huskers Nebraska.
They take husky to a whole new level.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, right, that worked.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's true, that's true. The only trouble was is that
they weren't very good at fitting those clothes back then,
and so so they they didn't fit real well. And
I remember that. I also remember my mama, uh taking
me by the hand into J. C. Pennies and screaming
out in her high pitched voice, where's the husky department?
(07:58):
Embarrassing the heck out of it. Yeah. But in my
just as I was coming into my middle school, you know,
eighth grade, ninth grade, I discovered that my big body
was good for football.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh yeah, yes, that's a good thing about it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Uh, huh.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah. So I became a defensive back defensive tackle actually,
and I found, you know, that there was some use
to it, and so I got a I got a
scholarship to Boston University. But then in my sophomore year,
I broke my ankle and I broke up with my
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high school sweetheart out in the same month.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So for the rest of the year all I did was, well,
I'll be a little confessional here. All I did was
kind of smoke pot and sleep. Flunked out of Boston University.
But then I went to another school and got through,
and by one weird set of circumstances, I wound up
(09:08):
applying to a law school, and one law school accepted me.
And then I guess a big pivot point in my
life came on the first couple of days before the
first class started. We went to the bookstore. We got
this pile of books that was five feet high, and
(09:30):
this is crazy, and we're sitting around in the lounge
and everybody's saying, what kind of a lawyer do you
want to be? And they got to me and I
didn't have any idea. I mean I was I didn't
even think I had a right to be there, and
I said, I want to be a judge. And it's
(09:51):
funny when I said those words, and then sitting in
a law school, I'm thinking, how did I get here?
All of a sudden, it occurred to me that I
might amount to something. I might have opened a door
that's going to give me the opportunity to make a
difference in this world. So I needed to take myself seriously.
(10:13):
And I went from being a flunk out and a
very mediocre student to graduating Dean's List and got hired
by Janet Reno back in I'll tell you what year
it was. It was nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh wow, was around that time? Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah. She was before she became the Attorney General
for the Clinton administration. She was the district attorney for
Miami Dade County. And this was the time of Scarface
and Miami Vice and those guys, and Miami was like that.
It was crazy. There was just it was. It was crazy.
(10:54):
I mean, if you ever see the movie or the
documentary Cocaine Cowboy, they show these guys walking into banks
with Douffel bags full of money, and it was really
like that. It was really like that, and so as.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What I have on the abundance of it too.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And plus people get caught in the trade very easy
as well too. I talked to some people and said
it's way too easily or confident, but trying to get
out it's difficult.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it depends. It depends on how you navigate it.
Because we hit the mob up when I was a prosecutor.
We hit the mob up for millions of dollars seventy million, wow.
And I left the office shortly thereafter, and what happened,
I mean crazy. Two weeks out of the office, I
(11:45):
hang my shingle up and this guy from the Italian
branch of the Gambino mob comes walking into my office, Giovanni.
I call him Johnny and sits down and scared the
Jesus out of me because I knew who he was
because I had prosecuted him his people. And eventually it
(12:06):
came down to this, He goes, you know, our lawyers
are pretty good, and you beat them, so you must
be pretty good, so we want to hire you. So
it's not like I was conciliati or anything like that,
but I was taking all of their runners and their
mules and all of their distributors. You know, when they
(12:28):
would get in trouble, they would get referred to me
and I would be handling them. But you talk about
getting out of it. You see, if you get into
a situation and you're dealing with people that are well,
you know, on the other side of the line, you
have to be very clear with them about what you're
willing to do and what you're not willing to do,
(12:51):
and you get an agreement. And surprisingly, those folks are
very very good for their word, you know, because if
you think about it, they don't really have a police
force or a court system that they can sue you in,
you know. So the rule is that you have to
be good for your word. And as long as I
(13:13):
told him I wasn't going to do anything unethical, I
wasn't going to do anything illegal. And I explained to
him that it's in their best interest because they would
want to have a lawyer that was trusted and respected
by the courts, and if I blew my reputation, you know,
on something that was a little bit you know, smelly,
(13:36):
I wouldn't be much good to them. And they agreed
and we were able to work very well together until
Johnny's son got arrested.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Oh what happened?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, he basically said, I appreciate our agreement, but right now,
you need to do what I tell you to do.
And I said, Johnny, I'm not willing to do that.
I'm not going to create evidence. I'm not going to
suborn perjury. I'm not going to do that. And so
we decided that it would be better if I left Miami.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right exactly, just say see you later, and yeah, you
go to your other destination. And where from Miami did
you go?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
North Carolina? And we shook hands on it. We shook
hands on it, and we parted and I never heard
from them again. They never bothered me. They were good
for their word. And I got to North Carolina and
I was able. It was interesting because I was able to,
but I was being presented with an entirely blank canvas.
I said, you know, here, I've lived it was nineteen
(14:43):
it was like nineteen ninety, so I was forty years old.
I said, here, I'm being presented with this totally blank canvas.
Nobody knows me, nobody knows anything about me. I can
create or recreate myself anyway I want. And what had
happened in the meantime, is that hanging out with Johnny
and his friends. I'm gonna admit I was doing some
(15:05):
of the stuff that they do, so some that white powder.
And I was hanging out at the nightclubs, and I
was ignoring my family and my life was taking a
downward spiral. I was seeing a therapist, and I came
to this really important crossroads in my life, and I
asked my therapist, you know, George, what should I do here?
(15:28):
And I expected that he was going to come back
with some therapists talk like, well, Bob, what do you
think you should do here?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
You know, oh yeah, or you know, to find that
go deep inside, laying on your chair, Take two aspens,
call me in the morrior, take two pills, call me
next time.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But he didn't. What he did was he picked up
three coins and he shook them in his hands and
he dropped them on the table, and he made some
mathematical calculations. And he did that a number of times,
and he came up with the number. The number was
thirty two. And then he reached behind himself and he
got a book out and he turned to chapter thirty two,
(16:04):
and he showed me, and the title of the chapter
was Retreat. I looked at it and I cursed him
out because I thought that my therapist had become some
kind of fortune teller. And I stopped out of the room,
said f you and stopped right.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, or call him doctor quack afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Doctor quack. And yeah, but that was the best advice
I ever got. And so I pulled back from a
lot of those excessive behaviors and I came back and
I asked him what that was, and he said, well,
that's the Iching. The Iiching is a book from Dallast philosophy,
(16:50):
and it means the ching always means a classical book,
and the eye means changes. So this is the classical
book of changes, and it encapsulates. Well, you know the
tai Chi symbol, the yin yang symbol, Well, most people
don't know what the significance of that is, and what
(17:11):
it is is. You know, there's a white side on
the black side, but the black side has a white
dot in it, and the white side has a black
dot in it. But the dot isn't a dot, it's
a seed. It's a seed. In Yin is the seed
of yang, and in yang is the seed of Yin,
and eventually that seed will grow and it will take over,
(17:33):
and Yin will take over Yang, and Yang will take
over Yin. And what it symbolizes is the cycling of
the universe that day turns tonight and night turns today,
winter turns to summer. But what most people don't understand
is that it also goes to human behavior, like good
times become bad times, bad times become good times, and
(17:58):
there are appropriate ways is to act at the different
points of the cycle. And what dow is and teaches
you is it teaches you how to recognize where you
are on the cycle and then how to align yourself
to be most effective and efficient. So I was captivated
(18:18):
by this because I didn't grow up in a religious family.
And then I found out that my therapist, George was
the English language editor for Master watching me dig this
a seventy second generation Grand Master from this shallin Temple,
(18:40):
Wow Wow. And Masterne came to Miami the next week
and I met this guy and he just blew me away.
You just meet him for a second. And Mike, the
only way I can describe meeting him is usually when
you look at me or I look at you, We're
(19:02):
aware of the fact that I'm looking at your eyes.
Right when you look at Master Knee, it doesn't look
like he's looking at your eyes. It looks like he's
focused on something like four inches behind your eyes.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Interesting, it's like take on different meanings.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, it's like he looks right into you. And I
just said, I want to know what this guy knows.
So I studied under Master Nee for eight years and
that's just when Giovanni's son got arrested. And so with
this transformation that had occurred with Master Knee and moving
(19:46):
to North Carolina, I truly had an opportunity to reinvent
myself on many levels.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And and do a great job and as well too
with all those spiritual traditions. And I was going to
mention earlier, like you know, summer, summer and everything like
that and things change. It made me think of Ecclesiasis
a time to time to die, there's a trip for everything,
and made me think of the song Turn Turn Turned
by the Brads. You know, a time for a time
(20:14):
for this, a time for that and everything. And you
also accomplish a balance as well too, especially in books
some Children of Abraham and I'm the way and how's
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trail blazer and one time criminal attorney in Miami, Bob
Martin here on The Mic Winners Show. He is a
story of reinvention and resilience. And before we talk, you
with two books, Children of Abraham and I Am the
Way we discussed earlier about with the transformation ty Chi
and everything. But of course, you know you gotta figure
out a bounce, and how do you manage to manage
to spounce, like we say in your the Western Christianity
(22:51):
Eastern philosophy, So how do you manage to blend us
all together?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Especially when you're right?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, I had a big motivator and that is is
once I came to North Carolina. Who I was was
a little different than the first wife that I married,
so we divorced. But then I found my second wife,
who I've been married to now for coming on twenty
five years.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
In congratulations, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
She is an absolute saint. In Buddhism, we use the
word bodhisatva and bodi satapa.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That sounds like a steely Dan song. Is that right.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I know what it means, Thank you Dan.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And but she is a she was a Southern Baptist
and she is a Bible literalist. So we connected on
our values and what we wanted to accomplish with our lives.
But I thought that I couldn't buy into her science.
(23:57):
You know, the world four thousand years old, Adam and
Eve and creationism and the like.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Right and apple, so that's everybody still say, snake ay, apple.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And original sin and eternity and hell. I just that
those were foreign concepts to me and her, and she
just thought my stuff was just weird. So we really
didn't have much to talk about in terms of, you know,
our cosmologies. But one day she was telling me what,
(24:30):
you know, she was into a you know, what would
Jesus do conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Right w W j D. I remember that, uh huh.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Right, And I was thinking Loutsu l a O t
z U was the author of a book called the
Dow to Ching, which again Ching means a classical book,
now means the Way, and Tay means virtue. So this
is the classical book of the Way of Virtue. And
it is eighty one short, one page chapters that really
(25:02):
become it is. It is, without a question, an operating
manual for how to live a human life.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And this is the book I'm the way right, No, obviously.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
This is the book by laud Sue, which is kind
of like the seminal main book of Taoism. But she
would tell me a little bit about something where she
was talking about what Jesus would do, and I was thinking, well,
lud Sue gave the same lesson in chapter forty two.
So I would go back and look at my readings
and I was thinking, well, you know, this is exactly
(25:39):
the same lesson, It's just expressed differently. So maybe I
could take the old Chinese pithy poetic lesson and transform
it reimagine it in Christian terms. So I mean the
Taoist concept of a divine force is the Tao, which
(26:03):
literally means the way, so you know, and in Christian
terminologies we're talking about the Lord of God. So maybe
if I just translated the Tao to the Lord or
talked about God in those terms. So I started playing
with it, and again, I love to write. I started
(26:25):
playing with it and I made that transition and I
showed it to her and she goes, yeah, I get it,
I said. She said, where did you get this? And
I said, well, that was chapter forty one from the data.
He said, let me see it. Let me see it.
So she read it, and when she read it, after
reading the Christian version of it, she goes, oh, I
(26:45):
get it. This isn't so weird. It was just the
way that it was expressed.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
So simply wrote different from a different perspective or a
different mind frame, wavelength and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So I said, well, let me write another one, and
she said this is great, and I wrote another one.
So all of a sudden it started becoming like a
Rosetta stone. It translated our cultures for us, and I
continued to write them, and finally I completed all eighty
one chapters and then like out of the blue, a
(27:18):
publisher heard about it and they said, we want to
publish your book. And now it's out there. And the
cool part about it is I'm getting letters from all
over the country from folks who say, you know, I
left the church because of the my way or the
highway and that original sin and eternity and hell, I
(27:44):
couldn't buy into that. But I've read this and it
has reintroduced me to my love and my relationship for
Jesus and God. And I said, well, that's wonderful, and
so that was just a blessing.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Oh my God, that certainly is and makes you want
to pick up the book. And what was that book again?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Maybe readers it's called well, it's a little play on
words because remember the doaw means the way, and Jesus
said I am the way. So maybe Jesus was really saying,
I am the dow.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I am the doubt.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
By the way, the dow is not the dow Jones, guys,
for those who worship money, not the dow Jones.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, it's Tao right.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, So we don't want to get that clear to
everybody here for those you know interpret as well too.
And I think that's great, exploring in your face virtuality, harmony,
creating a bridge and everything else. You also got Children
of Abraham as well too, and you know about your
first book, and that seems to really take off your
writing career.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yes, it did, it did. And the interesting part and
for those would be authors out there, uh, you know,
I want to I want to say that writing a
book is maybe a third of the battle. Getting you
published is the other two thirds, uh, finding somebody to
do it. And so when I first wrote Children of Abraham,
(29:03):
it's a novel and it's a thought experiment, and I
was thinking it, you know, after nine to eleven and everybody,
you know that she and the Sunni and our forces
and our allied forces, everybody was running around killing in
the name of God. And I was thinking, you know,
if God was, if God was up there, and if
(29:27):
God thought like we do, and if he spoke in English,
then he might be looking down thinking, yeah, not really
what I intended for you guys.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right exactly, And that's where he says, okay, I corrections,
boom boom boom.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right. And so in the book, I bring God down
to Earth through little messages that are left on the
ticker on the bottom of your TV, like, you're all
my children God, right, So messages from God start showing up,
and the thought experiment the book is about would that
(30:04):
really make a difference in the world. Who would listen,
who would change their behaviors? What kinds of faults are
redeemable which ones may not be? So those are the
questions that we explore in that book. And it's pretty
fast paced novel. It's got seven characters. Each one has
(30:28):
one of the flaws of the seven Deadly Sins, and
they all interact and they're all from different religions. And
so I had a lot of fun writing it. But
then I try to get it published and I beat
my head against the ground, and so I decided I'd
self publish it. And man, I'll tell you, you get into
(30:48):
that world and if you don't know anything about it
and you don't have a good guide, the sharks will
come along and they'll just eat you up.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I need the Jaws version too. If you're wondering about.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
George, Yeah, yeah, no, they these guys, you know that
they want publicity, and they want this guy and and
a consultant and this guy and the money was just
bleeding out and so but I self published it and
it didn't do too badly. The cool part about it
is that once I got this new book published, which
(31:22):
was just a couple of years ago, the publisher said, well,
let me see your other book, and now she's re
released it under their brand.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Nice Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
So that's a that's amazing experience between self publishing and
traditional publishing means O you. But then it's like, but
then it's like, if they pick up a book, traditional
publishing seems to be a better way to go. So
maybe you can also explain the difference, you know, self
publishing traditional publishing, especially all the beginning authors out there,
would be the best route for them.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, there's a there's a new breed of publishers called
hybrid publishers, okay, And this is a good combination between
self publishing and traditional publishing. It is they're usually niche houses,
and they'll ask you for a small fee to cover
(32:16):
the editing and the creation process. You might be talking
about anywhere from six to nine hundred dollars, and that
is your total expense, at your total expense, and from
there on they publish it, they get it into all
the houses they put their sales force into action. They
get you on the shelves, they provide you with promotional
(32:37):
materials and the like, and the ability to get them
to listen to you is a little bit better than
it is in the traditional houses. Not as good as
self publishing, because all you need to do to get
self published is spend money. You don't have to be good.
(32:59):
You don't have to have a well put together book
or even a marketable book. If you want to spend
the money on it, you can become self published. But
the hybrid is kind of like something in the middle.
So that's a great place to get started for a
new new writer.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Now, now, how much control do you have when it
comes to hybrid publishing? Because self publishing, you know, have
total control. Traditional publishing it's in the hands of the
traditional publisher. How much control do you have when it
comes to a hybrid publisher?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They will that you, I mean they you surrender your
copyright to them. They own it, but they in the
agreement they will give it back to you on request.
Oh so there's that there's a hybrid version there, and
they pay you much better than Amazon, Like Amazon might
(33:52):
might put a book up for nineteen ninety five. I
don't know how much Amazon pays, but but I know
a hybrid publisher I was talking to. They paid five
dollars on a nineteen dollars book, and they paid three
dollars on an ebook commission, and they take care of
all the expenses. So it's a pretty good it's you know,
(34:16):
it's a pretty good commission. It's about thirty percent. They
pay about thirty percent, whereas traditional publishers really only pay
about fifteen or twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And then self publishing is what percentage would that be
about me?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, self publishing generally you pay a fee for the printing,
and whatever you make, you make.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
So okay, just want to check on that one.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
So the hybrid you just get a bit more as
well too, and then traditional you will get about a
smaller percentage. And then the self publishing you get virtually
all the profits.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
All the profits minus your cost for the book. So
let's say if the book, if you're selling the book
for nineteen dollars and you're buying it for five dollars,
you're making fourteen dollars on the book. But then you
have to pay for all of the publicy. You have
to pay for your fees to go to book fairs.
You have to pay your transportation, so by the time
(35:10):
you're done, it may not even be a profitable endeavor.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I'm gonna throw this question out you just for fun.
What would Jesus do when it comes to self publishing
traditional hybrid along.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
With with the Tai Chiet? What would they do?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So well? I think I think Jesus would basically said,
just go go where you're called to go and say
what you're called to say, and let God take care
of it. Do the next right thing, and don't worry
(35:46):
about it because your prayers will be answered. Maybe, but
then again maybe not. I mean, you know, I mean
you do, you reap what you sew and you have
to put energy into it. So I guess Jesus would say,
just be authentic and truthful and do the right thing.
(36:08):
Uh uh. And Loud too would say, be aware of
the time and put your energy where they're most effective.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
M And I think that's really important as well too.
And maintain authenticity, authenticity and the narratives.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
We'll get to that with.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
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Speaker 2 (38:30):
Hey, Hey, this is Ray Powers and boy are you
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Speaker 5 (38:39):
You heard me.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well back on author bar Martin.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
He's a story of reinvention and resilience featuring children for Abraham,
I'm the way here on the Mike Wenders Show. And
just one more things that kind of made came to
mind as well. We talked about some of the narriatives,
what would Jesus do and everything, and how do you
maintain the authenticity, authenticity and narratives managing practical aspects of
bookmarking and distribution. So, I guess that's one hurdle.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Maybe it has to be clear somehow, it has to
be what it has to be clear.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
So how you maintain authenticity or narratives and managing the
aspects of book marketing distribution?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I always, you know, I yeah, it's a good question.
You know. There there's this balance of being compassionate, being kind,
(39:38):
being gentle, But then there's also the other side of
it is you don't want to be a wos and
you don't want to be taken advantage of right, Yes,
you know, so, I mean, authenticity to me is like
a given. If you don't have that, you don't have anything.
You just have to be you know. My dad always said,
(40:00):
you know, all you need to do is take care
of your business, and then your business will take care
of you. Don't worry about the yucame another thing you
told me when he was teaching me tennis. He says,
you play each point like your life depends on it,
but don't be worried about the scoreboard. At the end
of the game, the scoreboard will be whatever it is,
(40:21):
and you just go on to the next game. So
and loud Sue says the same thing. You know, give
it your full effort, but don't be attached to the results.
And and I think that that's just good advice for everything,
you you know, I mean the coach for the Green
(40:42):
Bay Packers, the famous coach, Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Vince Lombardi are the Packers.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I love that, you know, he said, all you want
to do is at the end of the day, make
sure that you left everything on the field. You know.
I remember the wing you lose that secondary.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Right, Yeah, And of course you know I had some
great quotes. My favorite one is winning isn't everything, it's
the only thing.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And he ranks up there as
well too.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
In the meantime, where can we find your book set
and everything else?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Bob? Well, you can find everything about me at a
Wiseanhappy life dot com, a wisanhappylife dot com. And actually,
tonight I have Tonight is the second Tuesday of the month.
I don't know if your podcast is going to get
out that quickly, but on the second Tuesday of every month,
(41:41):
at the seven pm Eastern time, I have a free
drop in mindfulness meetup where if you're interested in meditation, mindfulness,
happiness or anything like that, you can just come on
and be part of the group and ask questions and
and we sit and talk about things like forgiveness and
(42:03):
happiness and you know, what does it take to live
in an authentic purposal and meaningful life?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
That is interesting? Where can we find that?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
If you go to a wise and happylife dot com
you'll find a link to register for the meetup.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
All right, well, and.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
There's also also a free book you know, an introduction
to meditation and twenty five tips and tricks on how
to reduce stress, and also three hundred different educational and
instructional handouts on different kinds of meditation, and how to
(42:42):
evaluate your happiness in your career, all kinds of stuff.
This is a bunch of free.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Stuff, lots of freestyle. We want Araba to check that
out here. The amazing author Bob Martin. He's a story
of reinvention, resilience with Chill Abraham and I'm the boy
herel Mike when your show just a few more things?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
What else can we shot? Five and beyond?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I've got a new novel I just finished that I'm
really excited about. My beta readers are telling me it's
the best yet. It is. It is a kind of
a sprawling historical novel of a United States. A fella
who's born before World War One in Hungary gets kicked
(43:26):
out by the Bolsheviks, travels across Europe, eventually comes through
Ellis Island and gives the you know, the archetypical immigrants story.
But he has an adversary that's interfering with his life
and the coast and Ustra gets involved and he has
a mentor and a sidekick and all of them. He's
(43:47):
got an Obi wan Kenobi and he's got you know,
all of those typical you know, heroes, narrative journey characters
in it. And I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Oh certainly, Gray, I'll love to have you on and
as soon as he you know, you know, and put
out the book, look to talk to more about that.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Who do you consider biggest influence in your career?
Speaker 4 (44:10):
I know I asked you that, But who's your biggest
influence in the current We love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Judge Jerry Cogan, I would say, Judge Jerry Cogan. Before
he was a judge, he was a lawyer, and I
was an intern, just third year of law school, an
intern in this DA's office in Miami, and my supervising
attorney was there we could do some preliminary hearings and
(44:39):
Judge Cogan, well he was Jerry Cogan. Then he walked
in and my supervisor said to me, he's going to
beat your ass my language. And I said, why, I've
got a good case here, and I've got this and
I've got it all lined up and I'm ready. No,
I got this one. He goes, no, he's going to
beat your ass, and and we went in, we had
(45:00):
the hearing, and I don't know how he did it,
but he beat my ass. And I just said, who
is this guy? And how did he do that? And
I need to figure this out. So I became as
friendly as I could as a prosecutor with him. But
then when he ran for judge as a prosecutor, I
(45:20):
threw him a couple of barbecues and some other things
because I just really wanted him to be a judge.
And it's very unusual for a prosecutor to do something
like that. And he never forgot it, and he became
my mentor all through those years. And can I tell
you one of the stories that one of the things
that he told me? Uh huh sure, Okay. So in
(45:44):
the Criminal Justice Building in Miami, there were fourteen felony
trial courts and on Monday mornings, it was crazy because
the entire calendar for the week and every one of
the courts got called and all of the cases that
were said for that week in the fourteen different courses
on two different floors, probably one hundred and ten defendants
(46:07):
in each courtroom. Oh wow, it was like a war room.
The air conditioning couldn't keep up with the body heat.
They're papers strewn everywhere. Just imagine. But you go down
to Jerry Cogan's courtroom and everybody had a seat and
it was cool and it was going along apparently slowly
(46:29):
instead of all heated. And I went in to see
him in his chambers once and I said, it's cogin.
Have you ever walked around here on a Monday morning
and seen the craziness And how come your courtroom's like
an oasis? And he said, yeah, Bob, I've noticed that.
And I tell you it's like this. Life is a
(46:50):
question of timing. If you try to pick an apple
before it's ripe, you're gonna struggle and twist and it's
gonna come off hard, and when you finally buy into it,
it's sour. And if you wait too long, it's going
to drop and rot. But if you pick it just right,
it comes off easy and it's sweet. Now, these other judges,
(47:13):
they get emotionally involved in the cases and they resist
requests to suspend it. But most of these cases, sometimes
they need to be suspended. Other cases need to be tried.
You have to have a sense of when something is
ripe and what needs to be done, and you have
to be willing to do what needs to be done
(47:33):
when it needs to be done. And I think that
saves me a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
It's called and I think that's brilliant. That is so brilliant.
We want araboy remember that. And lastly, what's the best
advice you can give to any body at this point?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Well, it's what I teach my meditation students. You're not
your thoughts. You are not your thoughts, you are your
Most of us are trapped in our thoughts, and we
believe we are our thoughts. I believe when I have
a judgment, that is the truth. But actually that version
of ourselves is so small, and we're so much bigger
(48:12):
than that because we are the creator of our thoughts.
And once we understand the creative ability that we have,
we just grow exponentially and we get to realize our potential.
But only once you realize that you're not your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
That is a very good point right there as well too.
Here with author Barb Martin, here's a story of reinvention
resilience with children. Abraham and I'm the way here on
the Mike Winner Show. Bob A very big thank you,
time you band apps amazing, looking forward, having soon keeps
up today, keep in touch live, have you back? What
your website? How do people contact you? Where in people
purchase or check out your books?
Speaker 2 (48:53):
A Wiseanhappy life dot com.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
All right, we'll certainly check that out once again.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
Bob, A very big thanks you, time you band appste
F tac looking forham soon keeps up today, keep in
touch left back, we wish I'll bust and Bob you
definitely have for great feature.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Hey, okay, thank you Mike.
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and a good book entertains and inspires. And that's exactly
what a Missing by Award winning author me On Zia does.
I have his book right here, and it's based on
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and meaningful through You can actually get it on Amazon
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Speaker 3 (02:25):
The multi talent Bob Martin. Bob, good morning, good afternoon,
good evening. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and thanks for having me.
And what a great platform was going to be all
over the world. I'm so excited.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
What's great to have you on board too, even in
Costa Rico. It gets to be heard, which is great
about this.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
It's so amazing. Yeah.
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So you're an author publishing trail blazer literary Maverick who
Marcole journey as a criminal trial attorney, social worker, therapist,
and a professional professor in mindfulness. You also are communists,
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extense of experience free professions to help others discover their experience, clarity, resilience,
(03:05):
and peace. You have two books called Children of Abraham,
and I'm the way. You also were works of stamps
or prosecutor under gen Renal during Miami's cocaine era before
getting out with your two bocks. In an amazing story,
Bob tell us how I first got started?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
First got started in what way?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Back machine?
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Way back, Bob, you don't think back, remember remember Sherman,
mister Peabody, into the time into the time machine?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Or if you're into doctor who guitar is good? Doctor?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, you know, just to give you like a frame
of reference, you know, my my growing up years, you know,
the elementary school years. Just to give you a frame
of reference, those were the Eisenhower years.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Eisenhower years.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Okay, yeah, that's all I mean, good thing that goes
way back. I was born in nineteen fifty and and
so yeah, my you know, my growing up years were
the fifties, and then my high school years were the sixties,
and my college years were you know, the sixties and seventies,
and so you know all that hippie dippy stuff.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Oh yeah, yes, yes, George Carlin alike, yes, yeah, yeah,
no cos as a youngster too, so he was into it.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, those were all the influences, Those were all the
influences that had. But if you want to go way
back and ask me, like, what were some of the
big influences in my life back from those days, I
would say, you know, there were two books that made
a big difference in my life. One of them was
To Kill a Mockingbird and Atticus Finch, you know, the
lawyer in the book. He was such a you know,
(04:48):
such a what I would call a quiet hero, you
know he was. He was a humble, quiet, confident hero
who just you know, he did the right thing without
any fanfare. It was just, you know, you just do
the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
And you know, he held he stood up for justice
(05:10):
and fairness. And I don't know, I read that when
I was an early teenager, like thirteen or fourteen, and
I just fell in love with the guy. And I guess,
you know, that might be why I eventually became a lawyer.
And the other book that had a big influence on
me was was Don Quixote de la Mancha Man of
la Mancha.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Oh yeah, my favorite, especially a movie, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Uh huh, yeah, you know, to dream the impossible dream.
And this guy was another one who was you know,
he was a crazy dude, but you know, he was
going to stand up for honor and for justice, and
you know, fighting against these windmills which he thought were
great demons, and his craziness, but nevertheless, you know that
(05:55):
that backbone of righteousness. It was something that affected me.
And so I think those were two big influences in
my life. And I would have to say there's one
other that I ought to mention, and it was a
guy named Dennis Geezy. Dennis Geezy was my eighth grade
English teacher. Interesting, yeah, and and I don't know why,
(06:20):
I don't remember any of the details of it, but
one day in class he held up a composition I
had written and he just went on and on about
how great it was. And I think that that would
probably lay the seed for me to become a writer.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
As thanks your eighth grade teacher.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, thanks, And actually in my second book, I dedicated
it to him.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Okay, and that's I'm is that the I am the
way or children, I am the way. I am the way?
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Okay, all right, So I just want to get that
clear here, so yeah, I keep going here. So I
just wanted to get that clear, so keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah. So so I grew up, I was. I was
a big boy. Uh, you know I was. In those days,
we called them chubby. Actually the word that was used
was husky, and J. C. Pennies was the only store
in town that had a husky department. Oh I remember that.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yes, I remember the husky department. But that was a
good thing back then. It's like, you know, Husky says, hey,
that's a good thing. You're you're a Husky player. You're
a great football player. Of course, got the corner Huskers Nebraska.
They take husky to a whole new level.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, right, that worked.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's true, that's true. The only trouble was is that
they weren't very good at fitting those clothes back then,
and so so they they didn't fit real well. And
I remember that. I also remember my mama, uh taking
me by the hand into J. C. Pennies and screaming
out in her high pitched voice, where's the husky department?
(07:58):
Embarrassing the heck out of it. Yeah. But in my
just as I was coming into my middle school, you know,
eighth grade, ninth grade, I discovered that my big body
was good for football.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh yeah, yes, that's a good thing about it.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Uh, huh.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah. So I became a defensive back defensive tackle actually,
and I found, you know, that there was some use
to it, and so I got a I got a
scholarship to Boston University. But then in my sophomore year,
I broke my ankle and I broke up with my
(08:39):
high school sweetheart out in the same month.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
So for the rest of the year all I did was, well,
I'll be a little confessional here. All I did was
kind of smoke pot and sleep. Flunked out of Boston University.
But then I went to another school and got through,
and by one weird set of circumstances, I wound up
(09:08):
applying to a law school, and one law school accepted me.
And then I guess a big pivot point in my
life came on the first couple of days before the
first class started. We went to the bookstore. We got
this pile of books that was five feet high, and
(09:30):
this is crazy, and we're sitting around in the lounge
and everybody's saying, what kind of a lawyer do you
want to be? And they got to me and I
didn't have any idea. I mean I was I didn't
even think I had a right to be there, and
I said, I want to be a judge. And it's
(09:51):
funny when I said those words, and then sitting in
a law school, I'm thinking, how did I get here?
All of a sudden, it occurred to me that I
might amount to something. I might have opened a door
that's going to give me the opportunity to make a
difference in this world. So I needed to take myself seriously.
(10:13):
And I went from being a flunk out and a
very mediocre student to graduating Dean's List and got hired
by Janet Reno back in I'll tell you what year
it was. It was nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Oh wow, was around that time? Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah. She was before she became the Attorney General
for the Clinton administration. She was the district attorney for
Miami Dade County. And this was the time of Scarface
and Miami Vice and those guys, and Miami was like that.
It was crazy. There was just it was. It was crazy.
(10:54):
I mean, if you ever see the movie or the
documentary Cocaine Cowboy, they show these guys walking into banks
with Douffel bags full of money, and it was really
like that. It was really like that, and so as.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
What I have on the abundance of it too.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
And plus people get caught in the trade very easy
as well too. I talked to some people and said
it's way too easily or confident, but trying to get
out it's difficult.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, it depends. It depends on how you navigate it.
Because we hit the mob up when I was a prosecutor.
We hit the mob up for millions of dollars seventy million, wow.
And I left the office shortly thereafter, and what happened,
I mean crazy. Two weeks out of the office, I
(11:45):
hang my shingle up and this guy from the Italian
branch of the Gambino mob comes walking into my office, Giovanni.
I call him Johnny and sits down and scared the
Jesus out of me because I knew who he was
because I had prosecuted him his people. And eventually it
(12:06):
came down to this, He goes, you know, our lawyers
are pretty good, and you beat them, so you must
be pretty good, so we want to hire you. So
it's not like I was conciliati or anything like that,
but I was taking all of their runners and their
mules and all of their distributors. You know, when they
(12:28):
would get in trouble, they would get referred to me
and I would be handling them. But you talk about
getting out of it. You see, if you get into
a situation and you're dealing with people that are well,
you know, on the other side of the line, you
have to be very clear with them about what you're
willing to do and what you're not willing to do,
(12:51):
and you get an agreement. And surprisingly, those folks are
very very good for their word, you know, because if
you think about it, they don't really have a police
force or a court system that they can sue you in,
you know. So the rule is that you have to
be good for your word. And as long as I
(13:13):
told him I wasn't going to do anything unethical, I
wasn't going to do anything illegal. And I explained to
him that it's in their best interest because they would
want to have a lawyer that was trusted and respected
by the courts, and if I blew my reputation, you know,
on something that was a little bit you know, smelly,
(13:36):
I wouldn't be much good to them. And they agreed
and we were able to work very well together until
Johnny's son got arrested.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Oh what happened?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, he basically said, I appreciate our agreement, but right now,
you need to do what I tell you to do.
And I said, Johnny, I'm not willing to do that.
I'm not going to create evidence. I'm not going to
suborn perjury. I'm not going to do that. And so
we decided that it would be better if I left Miami.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right exactly, just say see you later, and yeah, you
go to your other destination. And where from Miami did
you go?
Speaker 2 (14:21):
North Carolina? And we shook hands on it. We shook
hands on it, and we parted and I never heard
from them again. They never bothered me. They were good
for their word. And I got to North Carolina and
I was able. It was interesting because I was able to,
but I was being presented with an entirely blank canvas.
I said, you know, here, I've lived it was nineteen
(14:43):
it was like nineteen ninety, so I was forty years old.
I said, here, I'm being presented with this totally blank canvas.
Nobody knows me, nobody knows anything about me. I can
create or recreate myself anyway I want. And what had
happened in the meantime, is that hanging out with Johnny
and his friends. I'm gonna admit I was doing some
(15:05):
of the stuff that they do, so some that white powder.
And I was hanging out at the nightclubs, and I
was ignoring my family and my life was taking a
downward spiral. I was seeing a therapist, and I came
to this really important crossroads in my life, and I
asked my therapist, you know, George, what should I do here?
(15:28):
And I expected that he was going to come back
with some therapists talk like, well, Bob, what do you
think you should do here?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
You know, oh yeah, or you know, to find that
go deep inside, laying on your chair, Take two aspens,
call me in the morrior, take two pills, call me
next time.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
But he didn't. What he did was he picked up
three coins and he shook them in his hands and
he dropped them on the table, and he made some
mathematical calculations. And he did that a number of times,
and he came up with the number. The number was
thirty two. And then he reached behind himself and he
got a book out and he turned to chapter thirty two,
(16:04):
and he showed me, and the title of the chapter
was Retreat. I looked at it and I cursed him
out because I thought that my therapist had become some
kind of fortune teller. And I stopped out of the room,
said f you and stopped right.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, or call him doctor quack afterwards.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Doctor quack. And yeah, but that was the best advice
I ever got. And so I pulled back from a
lot of those excessive behaviors and I came back and
I asked him what that was, and he said, well,
that's the Iching. The Iiching is a book from Dallast philosophy,
(16:50):
and it means the ching always means a classical book,
and the eye means changes. So this is the classical
book of changes, and it encapsulates. Well, you know the
tai Chi symbol, the yin yang symbol, Well, most people
don't know what the significance of that is, and what
(17:11):
it is is. You know, there's a white side on
the black side, but the black side has a white
dot in it, and the white side has a black
dot in it. But the dot isn't a dot, it's
a seed. It's a seed. In Yin is the seed
of yang, and in yang is the seed of Yin,
and eventually that seed will grow and it will take over,
(17:33):
and Yin will take over Yang, and Yang will take
over Yin. And what it symbolizes is the cycling of
the universe that day turns tonight and night turns today,
winter turns to summer. But what most people don't understand
is that it also goes to human behavior, like good
times become bad times, bad times become good times, and
(17:58):
there are appropriate ways is to act at the different
points of the cycle. And what dow is and teaches
you is it teaches you how to recognize where you
are on the cycle and then how to align yourself
to be most effective and efficient. So I was captivated
(18:18):
by this because I didn't grow up in a religious family.
And then I found out that my therapist, George was
the English language editor for Master watching me dig this
a seventy second generation Grand Master from this shallin Temple,
(18:40):
Wow Wow. And Masterne came to Miami the next week
and I met this guy and he just blew me away.
You just meet him for a second. And Mike, the
only way I can describe meeting him is usually when
you look at me or I look at you, We're
(19:02):
aware of the fact that I'm looking at your eyes.
Right when you look at Master Knee, it doesn't look
like he's looking at your eyes. It looks like he's
focused on something like four inches behind your eyes.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Interesting, it's like take on different meanings.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, it's like he looks right into you. And I
just said, I want to know what this guy knows.
So I studied under Master Nee for eight years and
that's just when Giovanni's son got arrested. And so with
this transformation that had occurred with Master Knee and moving
(19:46):
to North Carolina, I truly had an opportunity to reinvent
myself on many levels.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
And and do a great job and as well too
with all those spiritual traditions. And I was going to
mention earlier, like you know, summer, summer and everything like
that and things change. It made me think of Ecclesiasis
a time to time to die, there's a trip for everything,
and made me think of the song Turn Turn Turned
by the Brads. You know, a time for a time
(20:14):
for this, a time for that and everything. And you
also accomplish a balance as well too, especially in books
some Children of Abraham and I'm the way and how's
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trail blazer and one time criminal attorney in Miami, Bob
Martin here on The Mic Winners Show. He is a
story of reinvention and resilience. And before we talk, you
with two books, Children of Abraham and I Am the
Way we discussed earlier about with the transformation ty Chi
and everything. But of course, you know you gotta figure
out a bounce, and how do you manage to manage
to spounce, like we say in your the Western Christianity
(22:51):
Eastern philosophy, So how do you manage to blend us
all together?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Especially when you're right?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Well, I had a big motivator and that is is
once I came to North Carolina. Who I was was
a little different than the first wife that I married,
so we divorced. But then I found my second wife,
who I've been married to now for coming on twenty
five years.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
In congratulations, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
She is an absolute saint. In Buddhism, we use the
word bodhisatva and bodi satapa.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That sounds like a steely Dan song. Is that right.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Now?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I know what it means, Thank you Dan.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
And but she is a she was a Southern Baptist
and she is a Bible literalist. So we connected on
our values and what we wanted to accomplish with our lives.
But I thought that I couldn't buy into her science.
(23:57):
You know, the world four thousand years old, Adam and
Eve and creationism and the like.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Right and apple, so that's everybody still say, snake ay, apple.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
And original sin and eternity and hell. I just that
those were foreign concepts to me and her, and she
just thought my stuff was just weird. So we really
didn't have much to talk about in terms of, you know,
our cosmologies. But one day she was telling me what,
(24:30):
you know, she was into a you know, what would
Jesus do conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Right w W j D. I remember that, uh huh.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Right, And I was thinking Loutsu l a O t
z U was the author of a book called the
Dow to Ching, which again Ching means a classical book,
now means the Way, and Tay means virtue. So this
is the classical book of the Way of Virtue. And
it is eighty one short, one page chapters that really
(25:02):
become it is. It is, without a question, an operating
manual for how to live a human life.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
And this is the book I'm the way right, No, obviously.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
This is the book by laud Sue, which is kind
of like the seminal main book of Taoism. But she
would tell me a little bit about something where she
was talking about what Jesus would do, and I was thinking, well,
lud Sue gave the same lesson in chapter forty two.
So I would go back and look at my readings
and I was thinking, well, you know, this is exactly
(25:39):
the same lesson, It's just expressed differently. So maybe I
could take the old Chinese pithy poetic lesson and transform
it reimagine it in Christian terms. So I mean the
Taoist concept of a divine force is the Tao, which
(26:03):
literally means the way, so you know, and in Christian
terminologies we're talking about the Lord of God. So maybe
if I just translated the Tao to the Lord or
talked about God in those terms. So I started playing
with it, and again, I love to write. I started
(26:25):
playing with it and I made that transition and I
showed it to her and she goes, yeah, I get it,
I said. She said, where did you get this? And
I said, well, that was chapter forty one from the data.
He said, let me see it. Let me see it.
So she read it, and when she read it, after
reading the Christian version of it, she goes, oh, I
(26:45):
get it. This isn't so weird. It was just the
way that it was expressed.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
So simply wrote different from a different perspective or a
different mind frame, wavelength and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So I said, well, let me write another one, and
she said this is great, and I wrote another one.
So all of a sudden it started becoming like a
Rosetta stone. It translated our cultures for us, and I
continued to write them, and finally I completed all eighty
one chapters and then like out of the blue, a
(27:18):
publisher heard about it and they said, we want to
publish your book. And now it's out there. And the
cool part about it is I'm getting letters from all
over the country from folks who say, you know, I
left the church because of the my way or the
highway and that original sin and eternity and hell, I
(27:44):
couldn't buy into that. But I've read this and it
has reintroduced me to my love and my relationship for
Jesus and God. And I said, well, that's wonderful, and
so that was just a blessing.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Oh my God, that certainly is and makes you want
to pick up the book. And what was that book again?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Maybe readers it's called well, it's a little play on
words because remember the doaw means the way, and Jesus
said I am the way. So maybe Jesus was really saying,
I am the dow.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I am the doubt.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
By the way, the dow is not the dow Jones, guys,
for those who worship money, not the dow Jones.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, it's Tao right.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, So we don't want to get that clear to
everybody here for those you know interpret as well too.
And I think that's great, exploring in your face virtuality, harmony,
creating a bridge and everything else. You also got Children
of Abraham as well too, and you know about your
first book, and that seems to really take off your
writing career.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yes, it did, it did. And the interesting part and
for those would be authors out there, uh, you know,
I want to I want to say that writing a
book is maybe a third of the battle. Getting you
published is the other two thirds, uh, finding somebody to
do it. And so when I first wrote Children of Abraham,
(29:03):
it's a novel and it's a thought experiment, and I
was thinking it, you know, after nine to eleven and everybody,
you know that she and the Sunni and our forces
and our allied forces, everybody was running around killing in
the name of God. And I was thinking, you know,
if God was, if God was up there, and if
(29:27):
God thought like we do, and if he spoke in English,
then he might be looking down thinking, yeah, not really
what I intended for you guys.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Right exactly, And that's where he says, okay, I corrections,
boom boom boom.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right. And so in the book, I bring God down
to Earth through little messages that are left on the
ticker on the bottom of your TV, like, you're all
my children God, right, So messages from God start showing up,
and the thought experiment the book is about would that
(30:04):
really make a difference in the world. Who would listen,
who would change their behaviors? What kinds of faults are
redeemable which ones may not be? So those are the
questions that we explore in that book. And it's pretty
fast paced novel. It's got seven characters. Each one has
(30:28):
one of the flaws of the seven Deadly Sins, and
they all interact and they're all from different religions. And
so I had a lot of fun writing it. But
then I try to get it published and I beat
my head against the ground, and so I decided I'd
self publish it. And man, I'll tell you, you get into
(30:48):
that world and if you don't know anything about it
and you don't have a good guide, the sharks will
come along and they'll just eat you up.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I need the Jaws version too. If you're wondering about.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
George, Yeah, yeah, no, they these guys, you know that
they want publicity, and they want this guy and and
a consultant and this guy and the money was just
bleeding out and so but I self published it and
it didn't do too badly. The cool part about it
is that once I got this new book published, which
(31:22):
was just a couple of years ago, the publisher said, well,
let me see your other book, and now she's re
released it under their brand.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Nice Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
So that's a that's amazing experience between self publishing and
traditional publishing means O you. But then it's like, but
then it's like, if they pick up a book, traditional
publishing seems to be a better way to go. So
maybe you can also explain the difference, you know, self
publishing traditional publishing, especially all the beginning authors out there,
would be the best route for them.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Well, there's a there's a new breed of publishers called
hybrid publishers, okay, And this is a good combination between
self publishing and traditional publishing. It is they're usually niche houses,
and they'll ask you for a small fee to cover
(32:16):
the editing and the creation process. You might be talking
about anywhere from six to nine hundred dollars, and that
is your total expense, at your total expense, and from
there on they publish it, they get it into all
the houses they put their sales force into action. They
get you on the shelves, they provide you with promotional
(32:37):
materials and the like, and the ability to get them
to listen to you is a little bit better than
it is in the traditional houses. Not as good as
self publishing, because all you need to do to get
self published is spend money. You don't have to be good.
(32:59):
You don't have to have a well put together book
or even a marketable book. If you want to spend
the money on it, you can become self published. But
the hybrid is kind of like something in the middle.
So that's a great place to get started for a
new new writer.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Now, now, how much control do you have when it
comes to hybrid publishing? Because self publishing, you know, have
total control. Traditional publishing it's in the hands of the
traditional publisher. How much control do you have when it
comes to a hybrid publisher?
Speaker 2 (33:27):
They will that you, I mean they you surrender your
copyright to them. They own it, but they in the
agreement they will give it back to you on request.
Oh so there's that there's a hybrid version there, and
they pay you much better than Amazon, Like Amazon might
(33:52):
might put a book up for nineteen ninety five. I
don't know how much Amazon pays, but but I know
a hybrid publisher I was talking to. They paid five
dollars on a nineteen dollars book, and they paid three
dollars on an ebook commission, and they take care of
all the expenses. So it's a pretty good it's you know,
(34:16):
it's a pretty good commission. It's about thirty percent. They
pay about thirty percent, whereas traditional publishers really only pay
about fifteen or twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
And then self publishing is what percentage would that be
about me?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Well, self publishing generally you pay a fee for the printing,
and whatever you make, you make.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
So okay, just want to check on that one.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
So the hybrid you just get a bit more as
well too, and then traditional you will get about a
smaller percentage. And then the self publishing you get virtually
all the profits.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
All the profits minus your cost for the book. So
let's say if the book, if you're selling the book
for nineteen dollars and you're buying it for five dollars,
you're making fourteen dollars on the book. But then you
have to pay for all of the publicy. You have
to pay for your fees to go to book fairs.
You have to pay your transportation, so by the time
(35:10):
you're done, it may not even be a profitable endeavor.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
I'm gonna throw this question out you just for fun.
What would Jesus do when it comes to self publishing
traditional hybrid along.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
With with the Tai Chiet? What would they do?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So well? I think I think Jesus would basically said,
just go go where you're called to go and say
what you're called to say, and let God take care
of it. Do the next right thing, and don't worry
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about it because your prayers will be answered. Maybe, but
then again maybe not. I mean, you know, I mean
you do, you reap what you sew and you have
to put energy into it. So I guess Jesus would say,
just be authentic and truthful and do the right thing.
(36:08):
Uh uh. And Loud too would say, be aware of
the time and put your energy where they're most effective.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
M And I think that's really important as well too.
And maintain authenticity, authenticity and the narratives.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
We'll get to that with.
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Speaker 2 (38:30):
Hey, Hey, this is Ray Powers and boy are you
in luck right place? Right time? Tuned into the Mike
Wagner Show.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
You heard me.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Well back on author bar Martin.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
He's a story of reinvention and resilience featuring children for Abraham,
I'm the way here on the Mike Wenders Show. And
just one more things that kind of made came to
mind as well. We talked about some of the narriatives,
what would Jesus do and everything, and how do you
maintain the authenticity, authenticity and narratives managing practical aspects of
bookmarking and distribution. So, I guess that's one hurdle.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Maybe it has to be clear somehow, it has to
be what it has to be clear.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
So how you maintain authenticity or narratives and managing the
aspects of book marketing distribution?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, I always, you know, I yeah, it's a good question.
You know. There there's this balance of being compassionate, being kind,
(39:38):
being gentle, But then there's also the other side of
it is you don't want to be a wos and
you don't want to be taken advantage of right, Yes,
you know, so, I mean, authenticity to me is like
a given. If you don't have that, you don't have anything.
You just have to be you know. My dad always said,
(40:00):
you know, all you need to do is take care
of your business, and then your business will take care
of you. Don't worry about the yucame another thing you
told me when he was teaching me tennis. He says,
you play each point like your life depends on it,
but don't be worried about the scoreboard. At the end
of the game, the scoreboard will be whatever it is,
(40:21):
and you just go on to the next game. So
and loud Sue says the same thing. You know, give
it your full effort, but don't be attached to the results.
And and I think that that's just good advice for everything,
you you know, I mean the coach for the Green
(40:42):
Bay Packers, the famous coach, Vince Lombardi.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Vince Lombardi are the Packers.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I love that, you know, he said, all you want
to do is at the end of the day, make
sure that you left everything on the field. You know.
I remember the wing you lose that secondary.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Right, Yeah, And of course you know I had some
great quotes. My favorite one is winning isn't everything, it's
the only thing.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, And he ranks up there as
well too.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
In the meantime, where can we find your book set
and everything else?
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Bob? Well, you can find everything about me at a
Wiseanhappy life dot com, a wisanhappylife dot com. And actually,
tonight I have Tonight is the second Tuesday of the month.
I don't know if your podcast is going to get
out that quickly, but on the second Tuesday of every month,
(41:41):
at the seven pm Eastern time, I have a free
drop in mindfulness meetup where if you're interested in meditation, mindfulness,
happiness or anything like that, you can just come on
and be part of the group and ask questions and
and we sit and talk about things like forgiveness and
(42:03):
happiness and you know, what does it take to live
in an authentic purposal and meaningful life?
Speaker 3 (42:09):
That is interesting? Where can we find that?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
If you go to a wise and happylife dot com
you'll find a link to register for the meetup.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
All right, well, and.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
There's also also a free book you know, an introduction
to meditation and twenty five tips and tricks on how
to reduce stress, and also three hundred different educational and
instructional handouts on different kinds of meditation, and how to
(42:42):
evaluate your happiness in your career, all kinds of stuff.
This is a bunch of free.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
Stuff, lots of freestyle. We want Araba to check that
out here. The amazing author Bob Martin. He's a story
of reinvention, resilience with Chill Abraham and I'm the boy
herel Mike when your show just a few more things?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
What else can we shot? Five and beyond?
Speaker 2 (43:03):
I've got a new novel I just finished that I'm
really excited about. My beta readers are telling me it's
the best yet. It is. It is a kind of
a sprawling historical novel of a United States. A fella
who's born before World War One in Hungary gets kicked
(43:26):
out by the Bolsheviks, travels across Europe, eventually comes through
Ellis Island and gives the you know, the archetypical immigrants story.
But he has an adversary that's interfering with his life
and the coast and Ustra gets involved and he has
a mentor and a sidekick and all of them. He's
(43:47):
got an Obi wan Kenobi and he's got you know,
all of those typical you know, heroes, narrative journey characters
in it. And I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Oh certainly, Gray, I'll love to have you on and
as soon as he you know, you know, and put
out the book, look to talk to more about that.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Who do you consider biggest influence in your career?
Speaker 4 (44:10):
I know I asked you that, But who's your biggest
influence in the current We love to hear it.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Judge Jerry Cogan, I would say, Judge Jerry Cogan. Before
he was a judge, he was a lawyer, and I
was an intern, just third year of law school, an
intern in this DA's office in Miami, and my supervising
attorney was there we could do some preliminary hearings and
(44:39):
Judge Cogan, well he was Jerry Cogan. Then he walked
in and my supervisor said to me, he's going to
beat your ass my language. And I said, why, I've
got a good case here, and I've got this and
I've got it all lined up and I'm ready. No,
I got this one. He goes, no, he's going to
beat your ass, and and we went in, we had
(45:00):
the hearing, and I don't know how he did it,
but he beat my ass. And I just said, who
is this guy? And how did he do that? And
I need to figure this out. So I became as
friendly as I could as a prosecutor with him. But
then when he ran for judge as a prosecutor, I
(45:20):
threw him a couple of barbecues and some other things
because I just really wanted him to be a judge.
And it's very unusual for a prosecutor to do something
like that. And he never forgot it, and he became
my mentor all through those years. And can I tell
you one of the stories that one of the things
that he told me? Uh huh sure, Okay. So in
(45:44):
the Criminal Justice Building in Miami, there were fourteen felony
trial courts and on Monday mornings, it was crazy because
the entire calendar for the week and every one of
the courts got called and all of the cases that
were said for that week in the fourteen different courses
on two different floors, probably one hundred and ten defendants
(46:07):
in each courtroom. Oh wow, it was like a war room.
The air conditioning couldn't keep up with the body heat.
They're papers strewn everywhere. Just imagine. But you go down
to Jerry Cogan's courtroom and everybody had a seat and
it was cool and it was going along apparently slowly
(46:29):
instead of all heated. And I went in to see
him in his chambers once and I said, it's cogin.
Have you ever walked around here on a Monday morning
and seen the craziness And how come your courtroom's like
an oasis? And he said, yeah, Bob, I've noticed that.
And I tell you it's like this. Life is a
(46:50):
question of timing. If you try to pick an apple
before it's ripe, you're gonna struggle and twist and it's
gonna come off hard, and when you finally buy into it,
it's sour. And if you wait too long, it's going
to drop and rot. But if you pick it just right,
it comes off easy and it's sweet. Now, these other judges,
(47:13):
they get emotionally involved in the cases and they resist
requests to suspend it. But most of these cases, sometimes
they need to be suspended. Other cases need to be tried.
You have to have a sense of when something is
ripe and what needs to be done, and you have
to be willing to do what needs to be done
(47:33):
when it needs to be done. And I think that
saves me a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
It's called and I think that's brilliant. That is so brilliant.
We want araboy remember that. And lastly, what's the best
advice you can give to any body at this point?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Well, it's what I teach my meditation students. You're not
your thoughts. You are not your thoughts, you are your
Most of us are trapped in our thoughts, and we
believe we are our thoughts. I believe when I have
a judgment, that is the truth. But actually that version
of ourselves is so small, and we're so much bigger
(48:12):
than that because we are the creator of our thoughts.
And once we understand the creative ability that we have,
we just grow exponentially and we get to realize our potential.
But only once you realize that you're not your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (48:31):
That is a very good point right there as well too.
Here with author Barb Martin, here's a story of reinvention
resilience with children. Abraham and I'm the way here on
the Mike Winner Show. Bob A very big thank you,
time you band apps amazing, looking forward, having soon keeps
up today, keep in touch live, have you back? What
your website? How do people contact you? Where in people
purchase or check out your books?
Speaker 2 (48:53):
A Wiseanhappy life dot com.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
All right, we'll certainly check that out once again.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
Bob, A very big thanks you, time you band appste
F tac looking forham soon keeps up today, keep in
touch left back, we wish I'll bust and Bob you
definitely have for great feature.
Speaker 2 (49:06):
Hey, okay, thank you Mike.
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Hey there, Dana Laxa here, American news anchor. Hey, let
me ask you something real quick. Why do you read
a book You're buying a story, a thought, a message,
and a good book entertains and inspires. And that's exactly
what a Missing by Award winning author me On Zia does.
I have his book right here, and it's based on
real events with relatable characters that hook you from start
(50:01):
to finish. I personally love this book. It's super powerful
and meaningful through You can actually get it on Amazon
right now.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
The Mike Wagner Show is brought to you by Serena
Wagner's book The Sweet Sawmist, now availed on Amazon. This
book includes thirty exquisite pintings by well known and unknown
painters and King David Palms. The Sweet Sawmist gives us
a new perspective on his life in this book through
the songs he wrote. His time as a shepherd in
the field is where the book starts, and it goes
on to describe his complicated and turbulent relationship with King Saul,
(50:28):
as well as other events. It's a story of love, betrayal, repentance,
and more. It also offers advice on approaching God and
living a life that pleases him. Check out the book
The Sweet Salmist by Serena Wagner, now available on Amazon
keywords sweet sawmis Serena Wagner.
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