Democratic Ticket, Take Two (Episode 390)

This week, the gang is joined by progressive radio host Carl Wolfson as they discuss new Democratic nominee Kamala Harris, her potential running mate choices, and the best way for her party to take the general election campaign to the GOP.

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the More Perfect Union thepodcast. It offers real debate without the
hate. I'm Kevin Kelton and asalways, joined by DJ Maguire, who
is still recommending that Donald Trump avoidopen windows for the time being. In
the foreseeable future, we'll talk aboutthat. Rebecca Kushmeider. I am Rebecca

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Kushmeider, and I don't understand whyRepublicans are so worried about the fact that
Kamala Harris doesn't have any biological children. She'll still be able to staff the
White House. She can hire nonrelatives. It'll be fine. That's allowed,
apparently. And joining us tonight someonewho's been on the podcast before,
a friend of mine for many,many years from my stand up days,

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but he has an impressive biograph asidefrom his forty seven years and stand up.
Carl Wolfson is here. And Carlhosted Carl in the Morning in Portland
for like ten years on one ofthe radio stations. There is that,
right, Carl. Yeah, AndI still don't understand gay Republicans, to
tell you the truth about it.They used to call log cabin Republicans.
Now they call them lgbtqanon. SoI never understood the log cabin Republicans thing.

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I mean, like, I've hungout with some gay guys and log
cabin is not what I think of. Yeah, I think it was based
off Lincoln was supposedly, you know, slept with Joshua's speed and they took
the whole log cabin thing. Yeah, I don't think they were doing that
in a log cabin. They probablyhad nicer accommodations by the time Lincoln was
Absolutely if you were gay at thattime period, you weren't in a log

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cab. So some people who areregular listeners might wonder why we're dropping a
podcast on a Wednesday, which andwe haven't done one and I think three
to four weeks. The reason iswe actually did one our regular time slot
on Sunday morning, and we evenjoked during that that by the time we
were done, if things changed inthe political world, all we might have

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left is our hellos and good nights. And sure enough, the political world
changed just a few hours after wefinished that podcast, so we had to
scrap it and here we are again. No, I mean the guys at
pod Save America basically like the momentthey start recording is when news breaks and
their whole show is irrelevant by thetime they're finished recording. So I feel

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like we're going to hit the bigtime here any minute. So let's talk
about where we are. We alljust watched Joe Biden's speech from the Oval
Office, where he explained why hestepped down. As listeners may know,
we've been debating the pros and consof that for a few weeks, and
Rebecca, I'm going to go toyou. I have a sense that you're

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in a pretty good place with what'stranspired. You know. I was actually
very reluctant to accept the idea ofJoe Biden stepping down because I was feeling
very strongly about going what you know, in these situations. And when he
stepped back, I had a lotof feelings, but the one that hit

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made the hardest was realizing I couldstop worrying about what his acceptance speech at
the convention might look like and mightdo not only to his campaign and his
elected chances, but to America.And I've been increasingly optimistic and excited over
the past few days as Kamala hassurged into her own and it's been sort

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of amazing to watch Djay. Theirony in all this is that For all
the talk about Joe Biden being old, what really did him in was when
he tried to be young again,when he tried to be his younger self,
and he became the gaff machine thatthose of us were political junkies got
to know and love in his fortiesand fifties and sixties, but nobody under

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forty had ever seen before and freedthem out. I'm not sure the power
of incumbency was something we should haveput down so lightly. I think there
was a much more logical case forkeeping him at the top of the ticket.
But I am pleasantly surprised by howquickly the Democratic Party realized if we're

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not going to have Biden, wehave to have Harris, and we have
to call us around her, andwe've got to get this done quickly.
The timing was fantastic. And Ialso think one thing that is probably not
talked about was how much Biden probablynegotiated this kind of transition during this period.

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There's a very good chance that itwas not him just dragging his feet,
but him sounding out people saying howquickly can we get this done?
What do we have to line upin a row, et cetera. Et
cetera, et cetera. No,just tell everybody, I'm staying in.
But let's get this sorted out sothat this is as seamless as possible.

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Yeah. I think that's absolutely true. And whatever inner circle he had working
on this was leak proof. Whatevercircle of lawyers and campaign experts was making
sure that we could just basically handa torch or a baton to Kamala did
not leak a word of it.And it was all ready to just hit

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send when Biden mad just made hisannouncement on Sunday, Carl, you had
a slightly different take. You wereon the bandwagon of switching candidates quite early.
You want to talk about that journey. Yeah. First of all,
you know, I've been in aJoe Biden fan for as long as Joe
Biden's better around. In fact,in twenty twenty, I supported him for

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president because I believed he could beatDonald Trump. I was a fundraiser of
about fifty sixty people here Portland whereJoe Biden spoke in October of twenty nineteen.
And by the way, the firstthing he said to us was,
if Donald Trump is reelected, there'llbe no NATO in a few years,
and that, of course, youknow, trump second term would be very

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threatening to Western democracies in NATO,I believe in Joe Biden. I've worried
though over the last couple of yearsthat his poll numbers have not moved,
and I know him being old hasbeen an issue for so many people,
friends and allies, anyone I wouldtalk to. I stayed with him.

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I thought, like most Democrats,that the incumbency would work in our favor.
The night of the debate. Thenext day, I called on my
social media for him to step downand for Kamala Harris to be the nominee.
I am grateful. As Rebecca saidthat the process has been leak proof.

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We know probably the big names behindthe scenes, Nancy Pelosi and others,
but I think the end result hereis exactly what so many of us
hoped it would be. I justthink about Joe Biden at the convention in
Chicago, with the ovation that willgo on and on and on about his

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fifty plus career, fifty year careerin politics, everything he has given us.
He will go out a hero ofthe party, a hero of the
country, and there will be somany people tuned in to see that,
and I was glad tonight in hisspeech that he listed the accomplishments of these
three and a half years. Thatwas very important. And I'll say something

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else. He mentioned joy tonight inhis speech, And sadness can be dominated
by people like Donald Trump and autocratsand his ilk joy. You cannot suppress
joy for so long. That iswhat I see now among Americans in the
Democratic Party. I see the futurethe joy. I cannot tell you from

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Portland, Oregon how excited people areto support Kamala Harris to send whatever cliche
you want to pass the torch.That kind of attitude now is bubbling up
with joy and hope. We didn'thave that several weeks ago. We have
it now. Whatever the process was, the President did what he did for

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the country. I know it hurtshim, It hurts a lot of us
who love him. But the endresult gives us an incredible chance to defeat
Donald Trump and take this country backto what he said we should be tonight,
and that is a republic that wekeep. Rebecca. I was talking
to a friend of mine on Sundaywho has four children who are of age

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to vote, and she has threedaughters in their twenties, and she said,
my girls are so cited to volunteerfor Kamala Harris. They were not
ready to volunteer for Joe Biden.And you know, suddenly they're, in
the words of Megan Rappeno, let'sfucking go. And you know, I
think there are four areas where wecan see Kamala Harris already is going to

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do much better than President Biden.One is young people, two as people
of color, three independence, andfour women. And I'll add one more
element to what I see is herbroadening of her base. I just came
a couple of hours ago from amixer of Democrats here in Georgetown, Texas.

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Now I've spoken a little bit aboutGeorgetown, Texas before on this podcast.
It is a suburb of Austin.Everybody knows that Austin is a liberal
bastion, but actually, even thoughmy little town is only about thirty miles
outside of Austin, it's actually avery conservative town. And I do not
meet very many Democrats in my dayto day life in Austin. But I've

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been dying to do some more socializingin town, and I thought, well,
I'll go visit with one of thesegroups they were having a mixer,
and it turned out at that mixertonight and they were all pretty much people
my age or older. So we'retalking about senior citizens, and it was
their biggest turnout they've ever had multifold, they normally get twenty thirty people.

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They had one hundred and sixty tonight. And the enthusiasm, and again I'm
talking about predominantly and I mean verypredominantly white senior citizens. Yes, these
are people that are engaged voters.But the enthusiasm in that room was as
palpable as if you were at agen Z mixer, and they were excited

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about this. So that gives mea lot of hope that I went into
this. I was like Carl,I was as both Rebecca and DJ Now.
I was early on the bandwagon ofwe need to make a change,
and I spoke about that a coupleof days after the debate on this podcast.
So I won't go through all ofthat again. I really felt in

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my bones that Kamala or whoever becamethe nominee, and we now know it's
going to be Kamala, was goingto energize young voters and bring back independents
who didn't want to vote for DonaldTrump, but couldn't see themselves voting for
Joe Biden. And my experience todaygives me hope that also older voters are

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going to also come home to theparty and be very comfortable with a Kamala
Harris candidacy. And frankly, Kevin, what you've just told me in granted,
the plural of anecdotes aren't data,but it is a data point,
and it's probably the most encouraging datapoint that I have heard. Because the
one concern that everyone had, includingthose who did want to change, was

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who can repeat Joe Biden's success fora Democrat among older white voters, particularly
older white men. And if whatyou are seeing in the suburbs of Austin,
and you're right, the suburbs,the suburbs of Austin are just as
conservative as any other southern suburb that'sout there. If you're seeing a lot

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of older voters, let's call themwhat they are, older voters excited about
Kamala Harris, then that does giveme hope that she can hang on at
least to the voters that Joe Bidenhad that did a little bit that where
he improved on Hillier Clinton's performance twentysixteen, but that that actually is a
very a very hopeful data point,you know, djan I want to add

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to that because I think what we'veseen in poll numbers is attrition among Democratic
coalitions. We've seen a little bitmore movement away from Biden, among black
voters, among young voters, traditionalcohorts that support the Democratic Party. One
of the reasons I have been forKamala is the replacement from the go is

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just look at the three Blue Wallstates. I mean, you've got Pennsylvania,
Michigan, in Wisconsin where I believethe Harris candidacy is really going to
surge. Urban turnout in Philadelphia andPittsburgh and Detroit, in Milwaukee and Madison.
I'm from Philadelphia, and I cantell you the magic of winning Pennsylvania
is winning alligating county. Philadelphia Countybig, but it's those four surrounding counties

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of Philadelphia, suburban counties where Ithink Kamala will now be able to repeat
what Obama got and repeat what Bidengot simply on the issues of reproductive rights,
gun violence. That's how we aregoing to win those three states.
This huge urban turnout, huge suburbanturnout, especially among women. That is

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the path to victory, and Ithink she hits right home in those three
states. On Sunday evening, Ibelieve it was, there was an organizing
call for African American women, andthe original call was supposed to be for
one thousand people. Forty thousand goton the call, so on no notice,

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forty thousand African American women. Ithink it was like forty four thousand.
Yeah, it was a high numberof people who got you know,
got on a zoom call like allright, sign me up, how can
I help? And there have beensimilar calls for African American men. Shannon
Watts, who's the founder of Mom'sDemand Action, is actually putting together an
organizing call for white women, youknow, like, this is our turn

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to get involved and get organized.Let's follow the example of these other groups
that are doing the same thing.I see some of this, and again
this is sort of hits me rightin my heart. In twenty sixteen,
I think there were a lot ofus who thought Hillary had it, and
we didn't organize, and we didn'trally, and we didn't support, And
we did it in twenty twenty asmuch as we could with COVID and now

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with Kamala, everyone is ready togo to work, she kept. She
was saying that in her stump speechover and over again. Are you ready
to get to work? Rebecca jeslet me Interjack. If Hillary had they
were thin margins, she lost.Yeah, so razor thin, razor thin,
I go to You know, there'smisogyny, there's all of those things.

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But had Democrats not stayed home orvoted green, she would have been
the White House. Absolutely absolutely,and so and you know, and so
this is one of these moments wherewe are going to you know, I
said this a few weeks ago.You know, we Democrats count on African
American women to save our goddamn countryevery four years. I share, we're

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literally counting on one. Well,but this year, I don't feel bad,
Okay, And I'm gonna kind ofbring this around to the beginning again.
So we're all, I think somewhatoptimistic and enthusiastic about where the Democratic
Party is now as opposed to let'ssay, four or five weeks ago.
And I just want to give thisone kind of word of advice to our

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listeners. I've noticed on Facebook andthe other social media that I'm on over
the last week or so that there'sstill a lot of people who have a
lot of concerns about Pamla Harris,and I believe she's going to give a
spellbinder of a convention speech, andI think that if she's not already leading
in the polls. And I seemto see on CNN as I'm watching the

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show, I'm excuse me, asI'm doing the podcast, I'm watching CNN
on mute, but it looks likethey're telling us that Harris is already improving
on Biden's performance against Trump in theirlatest poll. So I think that she's
going to be off to a verypositive start. But there's still three months
left before the election, and therewill be good days and there will be

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bad days, and there may bethere may be missteps, as there is
with every candidate, certainly there willbe with the Republican candidate. And I
just want to remind people, ifyou want a two thousand an eight outcome,
be as kind to your candidate thistime as you were to the candidate
in two thousand and eight. Ifyou want a twenty sixteen outcome, treat

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your candidate the way we treated thatcandidate's words, Kevin, you know I
last to my I give a lotof talks to democratic groups, and I
end every speech with the arc ofhistory bends toward justice, but only if
we make it, only if weput the weight on it. That's right,
and it is up to us.I think the president has actually this

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the debate performance. What's happened sincethat debate performance I see as a gift.
I'm not sure whether President Biden wouldhave been able to carry the weight
of the presidency for four more yearsgiven his age. We have now been
given the gift of a statesman whohas stepped aside, handing the torch to
someone who is so capable of beingpresident of the United States. We have

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to take that to our and makeit happen. And one more thought,
also, a candidate who, ifelected, could serve for eight years and
outweit a couple of Supreme Court justiceswho maybe think that they're going to stick
around for the next Republican and maybetime will catch up with them as well.
And I think we all know whoI'm talking about. I believe Kamala

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Harris's speech at the convention in Chicagowill be the most watched convention address in
history, she has a chance inthat moment to almost put the election away.
She has a moment to I knowthere's a roy ips. This poll
out yesterday the Shower showed her twopoints ahead of Donald Trump right now.
I'm also you know, back ineighty eight, to Caucus was seventeen points

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ahead of George Bush after the convention. But everyone is going to be watching.
Kamala ayers that speech can vault heras often in history, one speech
does it. Did it for BarackObama Barack Obama address in two thousand and
four at the convention. If shehits what I know she's going to hit

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is the hope for the future andthe things that President Biden mentioned tonight,
the accomplishment, the vision of wherewe go as a republic, as one
nation, as a tough leader inforeign policy, and frankly, with the
border. I want to see hersay within thirty days of my taking the
oath of of office, I wanta comprehensive border bill on my desk.

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I don't know why Democrats do notsay, over and over you want a
comprehensive plan for the border. Whois the one stomping it? George W.
Bush one of the two best thingshe did as president. One was
saving millions of lives in Africa becauseof his AIDS policy there. The other
was a comprehensive immigration reform, whichwas terrific. Republicans rejected it. Barack

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Obama had another comprehensive ima imigration reformin twenty thirteen that was even better than
Bush's. It passed the Senate withfourteen Republican votes, including Marco Rubio and
some of the same people there.Now, Bayner didn't bring it up in
the House because the Tea Party wouldhave done to him. With the Conservatives

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did the McCarthy, there were enoughvotes to pass it. Had we passed
comprehensive immigration reform in twenty thirteen,we would have had more security than the
Republicans could even imagine at the border. We would have rules in place.
Republicans do not want an answer tothe border because they want to demagogue it.
They want to do what Trump didin twenty sixteen and make it a

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volatile, emotional issue. There's alsothe fact that that business owners don't want
to forego cheap labor, right,that's the That's the other part of it,
Like there's you know, there's alittle under the table action happening.
All I'm out on as probably theonly person, the only person here who

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will openly say yes, I wouldactually like to see an open border.
I would remind you that when anopen business does not mean not mean you
can break the glass and take anyitem that you want. There can be
controls, and there should be controls. I do think they that Donald Trump
blowing up the twenty twenty four compromiseis very useful, and I have seen
Democrats use it on social media.It's never enough. I agree they can

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do more of it, and theyshould, but I know they are starting
to pull out the thing twenty twentyfour. We've now talked about the fact
that we've got a new nominee.Obviously, the next question is who she's
going to pick as a running mate. So I want to go to that
because that's really the money issue.I think for the next two weeks.

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I suspect that she's going to bechoosing someone before the virtual convention, which
is going to have to happen,honor before August seventh. So again I'll
go around, but I'll stuck thistime with Carl. Who do you think
or who would you like to seeas her running mate? You know,
I'm a Josh Shapiro guy, andI think he's incredible. I'm from Pennsylvania.

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If anything, if you follow JoshShapiro, his intellect, his ability
to communicate, he is very wellthought of in Pennsylvania, which is obviously
one of the three, one ofthe five swing states. The only pushback
I hear about Josh Shapiro is Jewish. I remind people the state of Georgia
and the Deep South as two senators. One's an African American, one's Jewish.

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The pushback then I get from thatis, well, Michigan, there's
an Arab American population. Will aJewish person on the ticket continue to be
problematic for the Democrats in Michigan.I don't have an answer to that,
but I just believe Mark Kelly wouldprobably be right up there with me,
because I'm looking at someone who canbe helpful in the five swing states,

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the Blue Wall States, Georgia,and Arizona. So I would start with
those three. I understand the powerof Andy Basheer. I love Andy Basheer.
I don't know if he gets youthose swing state votes that you really
need, though, Rebecca, I'mon the Kelly bandwagon. I think against
swing state Arizona and a particularly criticalswing state. It is a state where

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the governor can appoint a replacement fora senator who has to exit their seat
to a Democratic senator, so we'renot in danger of losing a Senate seat.
And you know, Kelly, asidefrom his outstanding backstory as a naval
officer, as an astronaut, marriedobviously to former Congresswoman Gifford, who has

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been unfortunately a face of gun violenceprevention, he also has an incredible Senate
portfolio that actually makes him a reallygood person to handle a lot of domestic
issues. He sits on the ArmedServices Committee, he sits on joy committees
on aging and the economy. He'san affable guy. You know, he's

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good television and who doesn't love anastronaut. He's a twin. He's got
a twin brother. Also. Anastronaut would help in campaigning because they could
be in these states at once.Again. Yeah, then they call fraud.
I like, I would be goodwith those either of those choices.
But I'm going to bring up acouple of names that one has not been

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talked about at all one has beentalked about some. I would like to
bring up Roy Cooper of North Carolina. North Carolina is always the state that
just seems to get away from us. But Roy Cooper is the only Democrat
who has actually won that state infifteen years. He's done it twice.
Get his name on a ballot andNorth Carolina does become competitive again, I
think, And I think that wouldalso help us in certain areas. And

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there is one person who can ticka bunch of boxes if you want to
really lean in on getting women outto vote, in particular white women,
rum a swing state and can showa sort of a reaching beyond the base
to independent voters and even some Republicans. But nobody's talked about her in years,

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and I understand why. But wemight want to consider the possibility of
Kirsten Cinema. Is she even aDemocratic? Abar? She's an independent,
okay, And that's the whole point, someone who has left the Democratic Party,
someone who has a number of centerand center right friends. There's and

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certainly it's not because of any it'snot because of any you know, I
mean, she's she's she's on allthe cult on all the culture war issues.
She's on the side you would expecther to be. It's on economic
issues where she got where she goesright word, So it's maybe why I
kind of appreciate her more than mostother people. But I think in terms
of she can tick a bunch ofboxes and present the sort of unity angle

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and help us with a number ofcenter right swing voters who are right now
torn between Joe Biden and writing insome dead Republicans name pushing Ukraine and well
getting out of Kinsinger would be perfect. But even I don't think they're gonna
nominate that in Kinsinger. I don'tthink they should. But Kirsen Cinema,
you know, she's there on theon the culture stuff. Yes, she

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has some friction with a party,but I think that helps her as a
general election number two. But that'sjust me. I don't I don't think
the the campaign has asked to vether. So I was just going to
say, I don't think I doubtit. Yeah, she's she's not on
the list. I saw it waslike Cooper Shapiro, Kelly her I'd be

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stunned if they did it. Ijust sue the name out there, Kevin,
who's your Truice. What I'm sayingis embarrassment of riches. And I
feel very comfortable with all of thenames. Maybe not so much Kristen Cinema,
but I feel comfortable with pretty muchall the other names that have been
brought up. I'm a little concernedthat none of them really can give a

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is called a stem winder of aspeech? Is that the phrase sidewinder?
Okay, whatever, But I wasactually looking at speeches today from Josh Shapiro,
Mark Kelly, and Andy Basheer,and they're all fine, but none
of them really whips up a crowdthe way let's say Barack Obama or Kamala

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Harris Ken. So I'm not surewho's going to help most in campaigning.
For instance, I think Pete BootageEdge would be better at that aspect of
campaigning, but of course he bringsother potential liabilities. I'd be happy with
any of them. I think ifI had to pick one, I'd probably
error on the side of Josh Shapirobecause if a vice presidential running mate can

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help an estate, and we allknow that that's kind of an antiquated political
theory that has sort of been thrownout in modern times. But if this
is an election where the VP choiceactually could help carry a state, why
not go with the one state thatDemocrats almost absolutely have to win to be
competitive. You know, Kevin,I was just going to say that,

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I'm glad you said it for me, because I think traditionally the running mate
may not help that much, exceptwell Lyndon Johnson in nineteen sixty, but
they can hurt, like Sarah Palinand so forth. Now, I think
Josh Shapiro's appeal to me is hecan go to every nook and cranny in

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Pennsylvania, he can go to similardemographic counties in Michigan in Wisconsin, and
he has a message that works andresonates. So I actually think with an
election that is still going to bevery very close, that communication and get
out the vote may be very helpful. I want to mention a couple things

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about Mark Kelly. Number one,he never had bone spurs, so I
think that's really good. Gabby Giffords, let's not gloss over this. I
saw her speak here in Portland,and an issue especially there should be an
issue for all of us as Americais gun violence. Americans overwhelming don't want

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assault weapons or weapons of war onour streets. Gabby Giffords is a reminder,
a courageous reminder of the price weare paying for gun violence, and
that is an issue that hits homefor not just suburban women, but for
everyone. I also like Roy Cooperin the healthcare debate because under Roy Cooper,

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North Carolina became the fortieth state toexpand Medicaid under Obama. He did
that in a state that is rural, in a state that has a large
Republican constituency. Frankly, because Republicanrepresenting world their people wanted it. Obamacare
saves rural hospitals. Notice the Republicansin North Carolina don't call it Obamacare.

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They now call it the Affordable CareAct. But Roy Cooper has that as
a victory, and we ought togo out there full force on our issues
while also we talk and take onthe ineptness of Donald Trump and the dangers
of Donald Trump. So I thinkwhen we talk about people like Jos Shapiro

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and Mark Kelly and Roy Cooper,they have something to bring with a success.
Well, yeah, and in termsof real policies that have had real
impacts on real people. And DonaldTrump not only did the policies that his
administration champions suck, but he wasn'tthe guy doing them. So lets me

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talk a little bit. Let's talka little bit about the Trump campaign.
We've talked a lot about the Democraticcampaign in the podcast that we had to
toss in the circular file. Wetalked a lot about the JD Vance pick,
So I don't want to spend alot of time on it, but
I'd love to hear from everybody whatthey now think of that pick. We

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didn't like it to begin with,and how you see the Trump campaign responding
to this change in the Democratic ticket? And I'll start with dj Jdvans is
still the Kremlin's favorite senator outside ofTom Tuberville. That has not changed.
He still is who he is.He is still very, very bad.
And if Trump does get back inthe lat ass in twenty twenty five,

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I am convinced that he will bedead before twenty twenty six, because nothing
will solidify the complete colonization of theUnited States to cag be bumping off Donald
Trump because why why pay for thecow Donald Trump is selling when Jade Vance
is giving you the milk for free. Watching Kamala's speech yesterday, in Milwaukee

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and contrasting it to Trump's stump speechwith all the Hannibal Lecter content and the
sharks and the batteries. She's aprofessional. She is focused, and she
is sharp, and she is smart, and she is direct, and she
doesn't sound like an idiot. AndI'm really looking forward to the side by

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side videos that are going to circulateon TikTok of the two of them talking
and he's going to look like abuffoon. And the idea of the two
of them trying to stand on astage next to each other and for Kamala
to turn that smile on Donald Trumpand say I'm speaking, I'm speaking just
fills me with glee, which iswhy Trump wants to can's all the next

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debate, because he doesn't want thatsmile or to be told she's speaking.
But the visual now, you know, people to point it out that Trump
is now the oldest guy in historyrunning for president. He is this old
man who's you know, his hair, the comb over and the suits with

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the ties that are too long andthe red, sweaty face. Next to
Kamala Harris, it's striking, andhe does not farewell in comparison. I
want to go back to Trump saidtoday, Kamala Harris is a radical.
Jadie Vance is a radical. Wegot to start throwing this stuff back in

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their face. Someone who does notsupport a woman's right to choose even after
rape or incest is a radical.Someone who is willing to hand over Ukraine
to Vladimir Putin is a radical.Those two things alone go against two thirds
of the wishes of the American public. He is the radical. Everything we

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know about Donald Trump, it's allprojection. It was his charity that was
corrupt, not the Clinton's charity.You can just tell what Donald Trump will
say by picking up projection. AndI don't think Campbell, Harris or Democrats
are in a mood to let Trumpand the Republican Party say things without a
rejoinder. That's powerful saying they arethe radicals. He is the first president

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in our history not to accept theresults of a free and fair election.
That is what is radical. Yeah, I just saw a clip of Vance
saying something along the lines of givingchildren a vote, but their parents exercise
it for them until they're of age, meaning that like adults who have children

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get several votes. So you know, Jade Vance discriminate against people with infertility.
That's great, super cool. Well, he's for him. One of
Kamala's biggest problems is she has nonatural children. Yeah, and neither did
George Washington. Yeah, that wasgonna be surprised to George Washington. Okay,
so apparently Donald Trump tonight at anevent said, you know, I

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was supposed to be nice. Theysay something happened to me when I got
shot. I became nice. Ifyou don't mind, I'm not going to
be nice. Is that okay?Yay? Yes, you know how bad
things are for Republicans right now.Marjorie Taylor Green is complaining about flag burning,
you know, in the Immortal Wordswith George w. Bush, seated
next to Michelle Obama during Trump's inauguraladdress. He turned to her and said

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that was weird. Yeah. So, my friend's kid just graduated from college.
Got a job for Wisconsin DEM's workingon the Biden campaign. His first
week on the job, he hadto have special credentials to get through the
perimeter for the convention because his officewas within the security perimeter. His second
week on the job, Joe Bidendrops out and he's supposed to cat Aleson's

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office. I mean like he's atthe back of the room taking blurry some
pictures. But man, talk abouta lunch. History comes at you very
fast, very fast. And hisdad, a good friend of mine,
is joking like, what would wegive to have Trump defeated our firstborn?
Literally he's in Milwaukee right now,by the way, best speech. If

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I had had more time, Ineed to get a hold of a transcript.
Her speech yesterday was so full ofcallbacks and references to different points and
different strong movements within democratic politics.It was her writers are so good because
she was hitting resonances that you don'teven know why you were so stoked to

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hear it, but you know shewas getting on all of Joe Biden's best
stuff about the middle class that shealso she kept talking about, let's get
to work. Let's get to work. That was the video when she was
announced where Joe called her and said, Kamelo, it's Joe, are you
ready to get to work at thecampaign headquarters? You know, and we
have personal attacks and insults from aRepublicans only helps us. They're offending women,

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they're offending young people, they're offendingpeople of color. You know,
So let him go ahead and takethat course. I want it to close
this. I want to quote apoem that Joe Biden has often quoted,
The Cure of Troy by Irish poetshamusiny. It says history says, don't
hope on the side of the grave. But then once in a lifetime,

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the longed for title wave of justicecan rise up and hope and history rhyme.
Joe Biden is history, he hasbeen a force of history, and
Kamala Harris represents hope. Perhaps thisis the moment where hope and history rhyme.
I love that. And with that, we want to thank everybody for
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And we want to thank Alan Kennyfor our theme music. Car I
want to thank you for joining ustonight, and hopefully it won't be another
four weeks before we do one ofthese things. It actually makes it to
the air. I'm going to betraveling the next couple of weekends, so

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I will be off having adventures withmy family. So you guys carry the
torch the way Kavala would carry it. We'll certainly try, thanks for listening,
and see you again soon.