January 3, 2026 • 25 mins
As a special bonus show, we hopped on mic to discuss the super-sized finale to Netflix's STRANGER THINGS. Listen for our thoughts on how the show wrapped up its ten-year run and whether we think it lived up to expectations!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey everybody. So, uh, this is Zachi. Brian is here.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
So, so Brian just got done watching The Stranger Things finale.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Literally like literally, I'm still humming David Bowie's heroes in
my head. What turned off the TV and walked into
this room.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So so we were texting and Brian was like, so,
what did you think?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I was like, well, why don't we Why don't
we just get on Mike?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I just I was starting a conversation.
You're like, let's get on Mike.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And that was it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And here we are and here we are. This is
this is this is the most impromptu I think we've
ever been.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I know really very little of what people think about it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I've been avoiding reviews.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I've been I've seen little things on Instagram and like, nope, nope,
I don't want to know anything.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I don't even know what you thought about it. And
I'm and it's still, like I said, rattling in my head.
So and I'm kind of high on it at the moment.
So I mean, you know, when we hang up, I
might think of ten other things I'd like to say,
or like, wait a minute, that didn't make sense at all.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But right now this is me fresh.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So let's just just dispense with the non spoiler thing
and let just let if you're listening to this, assume
we will be talking spoilers totally.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I don't know how else we could talk about it.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, so by way of context, I saw it two
nights ago. I saw it on New Year's Eve. I
was lucky and I was able to finagle a ticket
to one of the theatrical screenings that have been you know,
sort of dotting the landscape, and so I was able
to get in and have that experience. Brian, I know
you tried.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I tried. Well.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
New Year's Eve was a little tricky just because of
you know, New Year's Eve events, and then yesterday I
ended up it was great, Like I got invited to
a friend's family's place and a dinner and whatever. So
I was thinking the whole day was out. But then
I got home earlier than I expected, like seven pm.
I was like, oh, maybe I can catch some of
these screenings. So I looked in the app and the
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next one was at ten thirty pm, and I was
like ooh, and like with thirty minutes of trailers that
means it's starting at eleven oh eleven, and I was like, uh,
you know, I'll wait and say oh, and there was
only like two seats literally okay left and I was
like yeah, So I waited till it was about ten pm,
and I was like, I just don't know, like I
(02:18):
don't want to go.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
In there and be like fall asleep in a seat.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So yeah, I watched it at home.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I should say technically there were no trailers. Actually we
actually got an email. I got an email. This is
from at the cinema and it said arrive on time
because there aren't going to be any any you know,
any trailers before him.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That is so kind that for them to like even
say like, hey, we know, we know, we know you
don't want to you come later to these things because
of all the ads, but we're letting you know, we
don't need to miss out.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's great that being said. That's that is what they said. However,
they were about fifteen minutes worth of coming attractions, so
maybe not movie trailers, but like like they played target
ad with mister Wheeler in it, and you.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Know, oh sure, oh so it was all themed.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I think so, although I think that that that Simuliu series.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They showed it. They showed a thingy for that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Is that Netflix?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
No, yeah, that's Peacock, I think, yeah, but they did
show a thing for that. But anyway, I so I
got to have that experience packed room and that was fun.
And then you know, I had to rush right home
and I had to write my review, which which was
for the chronicle. But I got to have that experience,
which I'm very glad about. And you did not have that.
You watched it in the comfort of your home. Uh So,
I'm curious how how our reactions are sort of reflective
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of the different experiences we had.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Watching I want to hear all about the experience, because
you know, I remember having this unique thing happen when
we saw the Simpsons movie, Yeah, in the theater where obviously,
you know, decades of watching it on television alone, you know,
or with like a sibling or friends or something, and
then seeing it in the theater just seeing like every
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you know, a demographic of person you can imagine, young, old, whatever.
Like I was like, oh wow, this is like you
think when it's a TV show, it almost feels like
your thing or something. And then when you were in
this big space and watching quote unquote your thing with
everybody and everybody's laughing at what Bart says. I remember
(04:23):
that feeling very unique and special. Yeah, so I'm kind
of curious again, Stranger Things is something I'm used to
in my living room. What was it like being amongst
fans and what were the fans like and how was
it like a loud experience? Was everyone kind of you know,
talking to the screen and cheering and whatever, or were
(04:44):
they all I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, yeah, well I texted this day.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I said it was like in Avengers end Game level audience, right.
Not I'm not not not saying that about the film,
but certainly the that audience was that level of plugged
in or you know, a Return of the King, you know,
like kind of it felt like a culminative audience totally.
And and and I will say, well, and we'll get
(05:10):
into our thoughts about the episode that I can sort
of talk about the crowd reaction too. But but uh,
I think that for me this was the first time,
you know, because because so much of my experience of
Stranger Things is I watch it and then I partake
or observe the online discussion. And that's really about it.
(05:31):
M M right, I mean you talk about it with
friends or whatever, but like sort of that thing that
we experience collectively, h that shared experience. It was so
fun to be part of that, right, I'm so jealous, Yeah, jealous.
That really made it fun. So do you wanna should
we just give our like, what did we think of
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the episode before we get here?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, I haven't read your review or anything, so I'm
dying to know, well what here?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Here are my thoughts. I I I.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm not gonna say it's the best finale ever, and
and you know, you know it's in the top tier
final episodes of all time. I don't think that's even fair.
I don't think I think that's an unfair burden to
put on this show. But I think it is the
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perfect finale to this series. And I'm very very happy
with how they ended it.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Completely agree completely, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I again, I'm still it's minutes from finishing it, but
I'm feeling like great, and I feel like it's scratched
every itch I wanted it to like. I actually, as
we were I was waiting for you to hop on
and everything I was trying to remember things that I
thought throughout it a little bit and I was starting
to write them down. We can get to them, and
I was like, oh, yeah, well that's kind of a
(06:53):
question I still have or I wonder about that, and
we'll get to that. But like, it gave me everything
I wanted. It gave the kids all working together with
their cobbled together homemade weapons. Everyone was useful, everyone had
a moment the you know, defeating the bad guy was
very satisfying, and then even I think one of the
(07:13):
trickiest parts of a series finale is wrapping up the characters.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I liked how they did it. I liked what
they did with everyone, and I think they did this
perfect mix of which we can get into giving me
everything I wanted to feel, but not leaving things a
little ambiguous.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You can kind of make of.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It what you want to the perfect degree. I think,
you know what I mean, Because as Mike is telling
everyone's stories, and we know he's a storyteller, we do
get these sort of flash forward images of them.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Kind of a six feet under esque.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Not to the same extent, but no, yeah, exactly exactly,
and you could take those literal or you could take
those as what he hopes for everyone. And I just
felt like that balance was perfect because it made me
feel like, as I walk away from it, I realized like, oh, well,
I hope that's what happens. But as I was watching it,
(08:23):
I felt like that was what was happening, and it
made me very happy. And so I think they walked
that tight rope kind of perfectly because then, you know
what I mean, they didn't necessarily give everybody a happy ending,
but they gave you the feeling that they probably likely could.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well when you think about it, right, like, because over
the last day or so, you know, I've dipped in
and look at some of the conversation online and there's
a lot of heated back and forth about whether Mike's
you know, flash forward moment, all of the things that
he alludes to, if those are quote unquote real, right,
(09:02):
And and I'm like, well, none of it's real. That's
the beauty of it, right, right, Like it it leaves
it entirely up to you because because it's you know,
it's sort of like it's it's like asking, oh, is
inception all a dream? And you say, well, it doesn't
matter because it's it's a movie. You know, Sure, this
(09:22):
is an imaginary story, aren't they all that kind of thing,
you know, right right, But because we see it, it's
real to us, all of it, you know. And and
it doesn't matter because we're not going to revisit these characters.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So you can sort of choose, you can't whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
You want it to be. And that's what that's what
I liked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I like that it really it luxuriated in the ambiguity,
but it doubled down on the feeling, right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's what I I.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, I think I'm trying to say is like I
feel like they handled that tightrope so perfectly. And because
with l which we can get to, I actually don't
know if that one is true. And I and it
reminded me of that movie Radio Flyer.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, one of the most depressing movies I saw as
a kid. And like, I'm gonna spoil Radio Flyer to
make a point, but basically, there's a kid and he's
being abused by his dad, and so his brother builds
him like out of a radio flyer wagon, like a
flying vehicle, so he can fly away and at the
end of the movie, the boy, the little abused boy,
(10:37):
flies away in the radio flyer, and then you hear
this narration from the brother as an adult, like, well,
you know, that's not what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Obviously, but that's what I choose.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's how I choose to remember it, right, And so
he's telling me that's not true, even though obviously you know,
a flying wagon, you know. But like in this one,
I liked that they don't tell me. It's up to me,
you know what I mean, They kind of allow themselves
a little bit of an out so you can go, oh,
I hope that's what happens, versus that's literally what happens.
(11:08):
And I think that was the perfect balance to strike.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think, so, you know, and and you know, there
has been a lot of sort of you know, people
going back and forth as sort of like, oh, there
weren't any steaks in the finale, and I'm assuming my
stakes they mean nobody died or you know, definitively died,
you know, And I'm amused at that a little bit
(11:35):
because I'm like, yeah, nobody died in the Goonies either,
And I didn't watch the Jies, being like why didn't
they kill Mouth, you know or whatever? There are no steaks,
you know, Mouth is still alive or whatever. You know,
Like that's the point, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's so funny.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I've always agreed with that sentiment, but I love that
specific example.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And it's not to say that.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Obviously a character sacrificing themselves and many many stories make sense,
but I don't always want that in every story, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I've brought this up.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I know Harrison Ford, and I've heard other people say that, like, well,
Hans Solo should have died in Return to the Jedi,
and I'm like, no, I want to see all my
friends standing at the fence singing with ewoks, you know.
And some stories and maybe some storytelling book objectively I'm wrong,
you know, Is would tell me I'm wrong, But some
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stories that's just what I want.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And I would have been really devastated if any of
these characters had died.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, right, And I think the Duffers are right there
with you, and that's evident in how they approach this,
I should say. I mean, speaking of the theatrical experience,
I have never in my life heard a sound in
a theater like when it looked like Steve was about
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to die. Oh yeah, oh wow, really I have never
in my life I've heard it, Like, I will carry
that sound with me for the rest of my days.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, tell me about it, tell me about it. So
he's hanging from that tower.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
He's if you remember, you see his hands slip and
then it goes to black.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, Now do you do you have Netflix like with commercials?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Okay? I was curious, like does it go to a commercial?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
All that vies evil?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Evil?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So at that moment I was like, oh shit, okay,
I guess they did it, you know, and then and
then the payoff to me is much better that Jonathan
catches him.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That it wasn't because he wasn't even the closest one
to him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I think I even said out loud, like perfect, it
should be him because of their dynamic.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But you know what's funny is at that moment, once
I saw that Steve lived, I was like, I think
everyone's going to make it out of this. Yeah, that
was my thought, right, because because I was just sort
of like the structure of the story was such like
to me, it was like, you know, I mean, the
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closest we get to a fatality is l right, and
they deliberately leave that vague.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well her her sister Kelly, right.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
To me, she's like, I'm just second, She's she's like
a tertiary character.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
But to me, I was like the our main group.
I was literally like Hopper, they already did the death
fake out earlier in the season. I was like, they're
not going to do it now, right, And then when
hop gives l that speech right about you know you're
gonna live and that all everything he says, right, I
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was like, I don't. I don't think he gives her
that speech and then and then they just decisively end it.
So literally, like when we got to the end, I
was like, they're leaving themselves some wiggle room, you know, right,
And it was precisely because they just want you to
interpret it however you will. But I'm telling you that
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the audience's reaction when when we thought Steve was going
to croak, which is very funny to me because because
it shows how beloved he became. Yeah, yeah, right, considering
I think he was supposed to die after the first season.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Right or during the first season.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh wow, right.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But to me, a lot of people are sort of
talking about how the last forty minutes and change is
just epilogue, right, sure, And honestly, maybe it's just me.
I'm like, no, I loved all of that. I'm people
like what happened to the military. I'm like, honestly, I
don't even care, Like they're not there now.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I will that.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That was one of the things that crossed my mind
as I was settling. Yeah, but I agree with you, like,
well something.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, because I'm like, okay, well, if they think Elle
is dead and every all of their like, what's keeping
them in Hawkins?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So okay, something happened, right because because to me, the
last everything after you know, Vecna dies and by the way, man,
when when Joyce kills Begna?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Dude? When?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So, yeah, there's so much I want to talk about. No, no,
I don't interrupt you. Sorry, you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
What a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, we'll circle back to that. But everything after the
under the upside down gets destroyed. It's it's all, it's
you know, it's it's it's the the epilogue of the epilogues.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Of Return of the King.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, sure, right, and by the way, just like Return
of the King, I don't want anyone in the Fellowship
to die, right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We lost Bormir already.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Eddie Munson is like the boromere right right, no one else,
you know, It's kind of the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But I I liked all of that, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I liked all the stuff about you know what, Mike,
the grief that he's going through, and I just every
seeing seeing everybody have their moment. I love the rooftop scene,
you know, with with with Steve and Nancy and and.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Robin, etc.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Just all those moments because I'm like, well, we're saying
goodbye to these characters, so just give me that. Give
me them talking to each other, give me them being
with each other.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's the stuff I like.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I completely agree. I think I wouldn't have minded if
there had been like not that I needed. I really
didn't need this, but it did pop into my brain,
so I will say it.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But like the Linda Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Character, like maybe she's in jail now or some you know,
some sort of because it is like our heroes are
essentially in handcuffs with them and then it just kind
of cuts to the future where everything is okay. And
I was like oh man, they had the whole town lockdown,
and that's right. Like I could imagine a brief moment
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where maybe we see people emerging from their homes and
watching on as military vehicles.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Are exiting town leaving.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, and maybe someone even says something like they were
never heard from again, you know, like it's since been
covered up or something.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I wouldn't have minded that.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I wouldn't have minded it, but I was happy to
move on with how do my people feel right now?
And I did like that Mike was a little you know,
tortured and sad, and they all kind of moved on
in their own ways, and I thought that was interesting.
I loved you know, Dustin's graduation speech was really fun.
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I like when I saw that the dad was still alive,
I was like, oh yay. Karen has those like Quoriz
scars across her chest, right, I was.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like, that is so cool. I love that. Oh man.
I mean, there's just so many different but oh, I
do want to say.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, well, well we end the opening day of Indiana
Jones the last crusde that's more perfect than.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
That, which is great, yes, and also nice and it
makes sense because it would be May graduation time. And
also I thought, oh, that's so fitting that they never.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Make it to the nineties. You know, they end the
most series in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
But yeah, with the whole Return of the King thing,
a lot of the episode being deaded well because I
texted you about watching it and you were like, how
far do you have left? And I was like, oh,
they're graduating. And then I clicked on my thing and
I saw there's like forty minutes.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
L forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Oh crap. But I wouldn't cut a minute of it. Yeah,
Like it's if you think of it as.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
A fifty hour movie, you know whatever. I don't know
how many episodes it is, but it's like, well, I
want I don't I want to want to think of
it as one episode and you just have like a
ten minute little wrap up. It's like, no, we're wrapping
up a series that I've been watching for ten years.
Like I want to spend some time with these people
saying goodbye. And I feel like I don't feel like
they indulged. I feel like they gave us the perfect amount.
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Like you said, the older kids on the roof, which
is the only time I'm going to pick on this
but they've never nailed that radio station looking like it
exists in the real world. Like I actually was like,
you know, people say, how does Jurassic Park from nineteen
ninety three look better than visual effects now?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Still?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And there was like a moment where those kids were
sitting up on the roof and I was like, how
does it look like they're in the movie the room?
Like you know what I mean, that scene where Hommy
Waiseau and whatever and Mark and they're on the roof
and it's like, looks like completely.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was like, this looks I don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
All the other stuff looks great, So I don't want
to pick on the visual effects generally.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I just that scene is.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Like wow, now that' said the scene itself, the emotional
dynamic underlying it, man, that was when I started getting
teary eyed.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Dude, I actually yeah, I cried, Like I didn't like weepy,
but I had tears in my eyes.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well there were a few points, you know, as we progressed,
you know, but definitely like where they all agree, oh,
we're gonna meet once a month, and I was like,
oh you you you poor naive children.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I had the same thought and I think this might
be why we're okay with the ambiguity in.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Some of the moments. Yeah right, because I wonder if
I was.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Like nineteen or eighteen watching this, and I might believe them,
yeah right, they're going to get together every month, But
in my forties, I'm like, they won't. Yeah, but that
doesn't mean they didn't mean it, right, and it doesn't
mean they don't want to.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But that's just not how life.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's that's not life exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And so for me, there was a sweetness and I
did tear up at that, but there was also a
maybe a wistfulness, yeah, knowing that they were they're all
moving on to another portion of their lives, and it
reminded me of that feeling that I haven't felt that long.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
That's what got me emotional, is that sense of you know,
on the you know, Steve is like, you know, I
want to deserve this, you know, what we have here,
and it's like we all want that. We all have
those moments. It's like I just wish I could exist
in this moment forever. But I mean that's not not.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Never to be yeah, you know, even with Mike. I mean,
I have so many things.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I know, we're hopping around, but when Mike was being
called up for dinner and he goes up the stairs
at the end, it just reminded me of that funny
feeling graduating high school and the world that you've known.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Your entire life.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You were about to cross into something else and it's
a weird, exciting, sad, unknowable, you know, mix of feelings.
And I thought they evoked that, they reminded me of that.
I was feeling those feelings again that I hadn't had
since I graduated high school.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I thought they did an excellent job of voking
that well.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And when you think about it, like that's part of
the result of it being set. When it's set, is
you know nowadays you know, you know you got your
group chain, yeah, and you know everybody's chatting and then
you know and no, that it wasn't like that back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It just wasn't right. Yep, you know, pre social media,
pre all that stuff. It's like, you know, no, people
move on, right, that's just what happens.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, you lose touch. Actually, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Just last or yesterday, my friend we posted or he
posted some picture from New Year's Eve and he goes, hey,
do you remember so and so from like work, you know,
fifteen years ago? She liked the picture, and I had
this thought like, wow, twenty five some years ago, that
would have been a person who was in my life
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that I would have never you know, come in contact
with again. Yeah, but now with social media, we are
almost forever connected.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Even if we never speak.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
But I will see that it's so and so's birthday
from some job twelve years ago, right, you know, like
we're we are. There's this web of connection now that mains. Yeah,
that did not in the era that stranger things. The
last episode ended like those people, some of them will
lose touch.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I mean that's exactly it, right, I mean that that
that's that's no matter what. That's the future that awaits
these people.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Again, that's just life. That's not good or bad. It's
just it's what happens, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But but did we want to get into sort of
the vecna of it all?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, the beats and stuff, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh So one thing I'll say I really liked. But
I said I think I says before I've really enjoyed
Will's journey this whole season me too. I loved the
moment when he connects to Henry and he's like, you
know the the mind flare it it lied to you,
It manipulated you, And we think it's it's maybe there's
(24:51):
a redemption element. There's a Ben solo thing in the
in the mix.
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Speaker 2 (25:41):
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Hey everybody. So, uh, this is Zachi. Brian is here.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
So, so Brian just got done watching The Stranger Things finale.
Speaker 4 (00:12):
Literally like literally, I'm still humming David Bowie's heroes in
my head. What turned off the TV and walked into
this room.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
So so we were texting and Brian was like, so,
what did you think?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And I was like, well, why don't we Why don't
we just get on Mike?
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Yeah, yeah, no, I just I was starting a conversation.
You're like, let's get on Mike.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
And that was it.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
And here we are and here we are. This is
this is this is the most impromptu I think we've
ever been.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I know really very little of what people think about it.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
I've been avoiding reviews.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
I've been I've seen little things on Instagram and like, nope, nope,
I don't want to know anything.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
So I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I don't even know what you thought about it. And
I'm and it's still, like I said, rattling in my head.
So and I'm kind of high on it at the moment.
So I mean, you know, when we hang up, I
might think of ten other things I'd like to say,
or like, wait a minute, that didn't make sense at all.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
But right now this is me fresh.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So let's just just dispense with the non spoiler thing
and let just let if you're listening to this, assume
we will be talking spoilers totally.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I don't know how else we could talk about it.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, so by way of context, I saw it two
nights ago. I saw it on New Year's Eve. I
was lucky and I was able to finagle a ticket
to one of the theatrical screenings that have been you know,
sort of dotting the landscape, and so I was able
to get in and have that experience. Brian, I know
you tried.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I tried. Well.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
New Year's Eve was a little tricky just because of
you know, New Year's Eve events, and then yesterday I
ended up it was great, Like I got invited to
a friend's family's place and a dinner and whatever. So
I was thinking the whole day was out. But then
I got home earlier than I expected, like seven pm.
I was like, oh, maybe I can catch some of
these screenings. So I looked in the app and the
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next one was at ten thirty pm, and I was
like ooh, and like with thirty minutes of trailers that
means it's starting at eleven oh eleven, and I was like, uh,
you know, I'll wait and say oh, and there was
only like two seats literally okay left and I was
like yeah, So I waited till it was about ten pm,
and I was like, I just don't know, like I
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don't want to go.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
In there and be like fall asleep in a seat.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So yeah, I watched it at home.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I should say technically there were no trailers. Actually we
actually got an email. I got an email. This is
from at the cinema and it said arrive on time
because there aren't going to be any any you know,
any trailers before him.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That is so kind that for them to like even
say like, hey, we know, we know, we know you
don't want to you come later to these things because
of all the ads, but we're letting you know, we
don't need to miss out.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's great that being said. That's that is what they said. However,
they were about fifteen minutes worth of coming attractions, so
maybe not movie trailers, but like like they played target
ad with mister Wheeler in it, and you.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Know, oh sure, oh so it was all themed.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I think so, although I think that that that Simuliu series.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They showed it. They showed a thingy for that.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Is that Netflix?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
No, yeah, that's Peacock, I think, yeah, but they did
show a thing for that. But anyway, I so I
got to have that experience packed room and that was fun.
And then you know, I had to rush right home
and I had to write my review, which which was
for the chronicle. But I got to have that experience,
which I'm very glad about. And you did not have that.
You watched it in the comfort of your home. Uh So,
I'm curious how how our reactions are sort of reflective
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of the different experiences we had.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Watching I want to hear all about the experience, because
you know, I remember having this unique thing happen when
we saw the Simpsons movie, Yeah, in the theater where obviously,
you know, decades of watching it on television alone, you know,
or with like a sibling or friends or something, and
then seeing it in the theater just seeing like every
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you know, a demographic of person you can imagine, young, old, whatever.
Like I was like, oh wow, this is like you
think when it's a TV show, it almost feels like
your thing or something. And then when you were in
this big space and watching quote unquote your thing with
everybody and everybody's laughing at what Bart says. I remember
(04:23):
that feeling very unique and special. Yeah, so I'm kind
of curious again, Stranger Things is something I'm used to
in my living room. What was it like being amongst
fans and what were the fans like and how was
it like a loud experience? Was everyone kind of you know,
talking to the screen and cheering and whatever, or were
(04:44):
they all I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, yeah, well I texted this day.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I said it was like in Avengers end Game level audience, right.
Not I'm not not not saying that about the film,
but certainly the that audience was that level of plugged
in or you know, a Return of the King, you know,
like kind of it felt like a culminative audience totally.
And and and I will say, well, and we'll get
(05:10):
into our thoughts about the episode that I can sort
of talk about the crowd reaction too. But but uh,
I think that for me this was the first time,
you know, because because so much of my experience of
Stranger Things is I watch it and then I partake
or observe the online discussion. And that's really about it.
(05:31):
M M right, I mean you talk about it with
friends or whatever, but like sort of that thing that
we experience collectively, h that shared experience. It was so
fun to be part of that, right, I'm so jealous, Yeah, jealous.
That really made it fun. So do you wanna should
we just give our like, what did we think of
(05:52):
the episode before we get here?
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah, I haven't read your review or anything, so I'm
dying to know, well what here?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Here are my thoughts. I I I.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I'm not gonna say it's the best finale ever, and
and you know, you know it's in the top tier
final episodes of all time. I don't think that's even fair.
I don't think I think that's an unfair burden to
put on this show. But I think it is the
(06:21):
perfect finale to this series. And I'm very very happy
with how they ended it.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Completely agree completely, I loved it.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
I again, I'm still it's minutes from finishing it, but
I'm feeling like great, and I feel like it's scratched
every itch I wanted it to like. I actually, as
we were I was waiting for you to hop on
and everything I was trying to remember things that I
thought throughout it a little bit and I was starting
to write them down. We can get to them, and
I was like, oh, yeah, well that's kind of a
(06:53):
question I still have or I wonder about that, and
we'll get to that. But like, it gave me everything
I wanted. It gave the kids all working together with
their cobbled together homemade weapons. Everyone was useful, everyone had
a moment the you know, defeating the bad guy was
very satisfying, and then even I think one of the
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trickiest parts of a series finale is wrapping up the characters.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
And I liked how they did it. I liked what
they did with everyone, and I think they did this
perfect mix of which we can get into giving me
everything I wanted to feel, but not leaving things a
little ambiguous.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
You can kind of make of.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
It what you want to the perfect degree. I think,
you know what I mean, Because as Mike is telling
everyone's stories, and we know he's a storyteller, we do
get these sort of flash forward images of them.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Kind of a six feet under esque.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, I thought.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Not to the same extent, but no, yeah, exactly exactly,
and you could take those literal or you could take
those as what he hopes for everyone. And I just
felt like that balance was perfect because it made me
feel like, as I walk away from it, I realized like, oh, well,
I hope that's what happens. But as I was watching it,
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I felt like that was what was happening, and it
made me very happy. And so I think they walked
that tight rope kind of perfectly because then, you know
what I mean, they didn't necessarily give everybody a happy ending,
but they gave you the feeling that they probably likely could.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well when you think about it, right, like, because over
the last day or so, you know, I've dipped in
and look at some of the conversation online and there's
a lot of heated back and forth about whether Mike's
you know, flash forward moment, all of the things that
he alludes to, if those are quote unquote real, right,
(09:02):
And and I'm like, well, none of it's real. That's
the beauty of it, right, right, Like it it leaves
it entirely up to you because because it's you know,
it's sort of like it's it's like asking, oh, is
inception all a dream? And you say, well, it doesn't
matter because it's it's a movie. You know, Sure, this
(09:22):
is an imaginary story, aren't they all that kind of thing,
you know, right right, But because we see it, it's
real to us, all of it, you know. And and
it doesn't matter because we're not going to revisit these characters.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So you can sort of choose, you can't whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
You want it to be. And that's what that's what
I liked about it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I like that it really it luxuriated in the ambiguity,
but it doubled down on the feeling, right.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That's what I I.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, I think I'm trying to say is like I
feel like they handled that tightrope so perfectly. And because
with l which we can get to, I actually don't
know if that one is true. And I and it
reminded me of that movie Radio Flyer.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Yeah, one of the most depressing movies I saw as
a kid. And like, I'm gonna spoil Radio Flyer to
make a point, but basically, there's a kid and he's
being abused by his dad, and so his brother builds
him like out of a radio flyer wagon, like a
flying vehicle, so he can fly away and at the
end of the movie, the boy, the little abused boy,
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flies away in the radio flyer, and then you hear
this narration from the brother as an adult, like, well,
you know, that's not what happened.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Obviously, but that's what I choose.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
That's how I choose to remember it, right, And so
he's telling me that's not true, even though obviously you know,
a flying wagon, you know. But like in this one,
I liked that they don't tell me. It's up to me,
you know what I mean, They kind of allow themselves
a little bit of an out so you can go, oh,
I hope that's what happens, versus that's literally what happens.
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And I think that was the perfect balance to strike.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think, so, you know, and and you know, there
has been a lot of sort of you know, people
going back and forth as sort of like, oh, there
weren't any steaks in the finale, and I'm assuming my
stakes they mean nobody died or you know, definitively died,
you know, And I'm amused at that a little bit
(11:35):
because I'm like, yeah, nobody died in the Goonies either,
And I didn't watch the Jies, being like why didn't
they kill Mouth, you know or whatever? There are no steaks,
you know, Mouth is still alive or whatever. You know,
Like that's the point, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
It's so funny.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
I've always agreed with that sentiment, but I love that
specific example.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And it's not to say that.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Obviously a character sacrificing themselves and many many stories make sense,
but I don't always want that in every story, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I've brought this up.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
I know Harrison Ford, and I've heard other people say that, like, well,
Hans Solo should have died in Return to the Jedi,
and I'm like, no, I want to see all my
friends standing at the fence singing with ewoks, you know.
And some stories and maybe some storytelling book objectively I'm wrong,
you know, Is would tell me I'm wrong, But some
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stories that's just what I want.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
And I would have been really devastated if any of
these characters had died.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, right, And I think the Duffers are right there
with you, and that's evident in how they approach this,
I should say. I mean, speaking of the theatrical experience,
I have never in my life heard a sound in
a theater like when it looked like Steve was about
(12:56):
to die. Oh yeah, oh wow, really I have never
in my life I've heard it, Like, I will carry
that sound with me for the rest of my days.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Well, tell me about it, tell me about it. So
he's hanging from that tower.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
He's if you remember, you see his hands slip and
then it goes to black.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yes, Now do you do you have Netflix like with commercials?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Okay? I was curious, like does it go to a commercial?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
All that vies evil?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Evil?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
So at that moment I was like, oh shit, okay,
I guess they did it, you know, and then and
then the payoff to me is much better that Jonathan
catches him.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
That it wasn't because he wasn't even the closest one
to him.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
I think I even said out loud, like perfect, it
should be him because of their dynamic.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
But you know what's funny is at that moment, once
I saw that Steve lived, I was like, I think
everyone's going to make it out of this. Yeah, that
was my thought, right, because because I was just sort
of like the structure of the story was such like
to me, it was like, you know, I mean, the
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closest we get to a fatality is l right, and
they deliberately leave that vague.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well her her sister Kelly, right.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
To me, she's like, I'm just second, She's she's like
a tertiary character.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
But to me, I was like the our main group.
I was literally like Hopper, they already did the death
fake out earlier in the season. I was like, they're
not going to do it now, right, And then when
hop gives l that speech right about you know you're
gonna live and that all everything he says, right, I
(14:39):
was like, I don't. I don't think he gives her
that speech and then and then they just decisively end it.
So literally, like when we got to the end, I
was like, they're leaving themselves some wiggle room, you know, right,
And it was precisely because they just want you to
interpret it however you will. But I'm telling you that
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the audience's reaction when when we thought Steve was going
to croak, which is very funny to me because because
it shows how beloved he became. Yeah, yeah, right, considering
I think he was supposed to die after the first season.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Right or during the first season.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh wow, right.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
But to me, a lot of people are sort of
talking about how the last forty minutes and change is
just epilogue, right, sure, And honestly, maybe it's just me.
I'm like, no, I loved all of that. I'm people
like what happened to the military. I'm like, honestly, I
don't even care, Like they're not there now.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I will that.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That was one of the things that crossed my mind
as I was settling. Yeah, but I agree with you, like,
well something.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, because I'm like, okay, well, if they think Elle
is dead and every all of their like, what's keeping
them in Hawkins?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
So okay, something happened, right because because to me, the
last everything after you know, Vecna dies and by the way, man,
when when Joyce kills Begna?
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Dude? When?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So, yeah, there's so much I want to talk about. No, no,
I don't interrupt you. Sorry, you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
What a moment.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, we'll circle back to that. But everything after the
under the upside down gets destroyed. It's it's all, it's
you know, it's it's it's the the epilogue of the epilogues.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Of Return of the King.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, sure, right, and by the way, just like Return
of the King, I don't want anyone in the Fellowship
to die, right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
We lost Bormir already.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Eddie Munson is like the boromere right right, no one else,
you know, It's kind of the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But I I liked all of that, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I liked all the stuff about you know what, Mike,
the grief that he's going through, and I just every
seeing seeing everybody have their moment. I love the rooftop scene,
you know, with with with Steve and Nancy and and.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Robin, etc.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Just all those moments because I'm like, well, we're saying
goodbye to these characters, so just give me that. Give
me them talking to each other, give me them being
with each other.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's the stuff I like.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I completely agree. I think I wouldn't have minded if
there had been like not that I needed. I really
didn't need this, but it did pop into my brain,
so I will say it.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But like the Linda Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Character, like maybe she's in jail now or some you know,
some sort of because it is like our heroes are
essentially in handcuffs with them and then it just kind
of cuts to the future where everything is okay. And
I was like oh man, they had the whole town lockdown,
and that's right. Like I could imagine a brief moment
(17:47):
where maybe we see people emerging from their homes and
watching on as military vehicles.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Are exiting town leaving.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, and maybe someone even says something like they were
never heard from again, you know, like it's since been
covered up or something.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I wouldn't have minded that.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I wouldn't have minded it, but I was happy to
move on with how do my people feel right now?
And I did like that Mike was a little you know,
tortured and sad, and they all kind of moved on
in their own ways, and I thought that was interesting.
I loved you know, Dustin's graduation speech was really fun.
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I like when I saw that the dad was still alive,
I was like, oh yay. Karen has those like Quoriz
scars across her chest, right, I was.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like, that is so cool. I love that. Oh man.
I mean, there's just so many different but oh, I
do want to say.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, well, well we end the opening day of Indiana
Jones the last crusde that's more perfect than.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
That, which is great, yes, and also nice and it
makes sense because it would be May graduation time. And
also I thought, oh, that's so fitting that they never.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Make it to the nineties. You know, they end the
most series in the eighties.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
But yeah, with the whole Return of the King thing,
a lot of the episode being deaded well because I
texted you about watching it and you were like, how
far do you have left? And I was like, oh,
they're graduating. And then I clicked on my thing and
I saw there's like forty minutes.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
L forty minutes.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Oh crap. But I wouldn't cut a minute of it. Yeah,
Like it's if you think of it as.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
A fifty hour movie, you know whatever. I don't know
how many episodes it is, but it's like, well, I
want I don't I want to want to think of
it as one episode and you just have like a
ten minute little wrap up. It's like, no, we're wrapping
up a series that I've been watching for ten years.
Like I want to spend some time with these people
saying goodbye. And I feel like I don't feel like
they indulged. I feel like they gave us the perfect amount.
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Like you said, the older kids on the roof, which
is the only time I'm going to pick on this
but they've never nailed that radio station looking like it
exists in the real world. Like I actually was like,
you know, people say, how does Jurassic Park from nineteen
ninety three look better than visual effects now?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Still?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And there was like a moment where those kids were
sitting up on the roof and I was like, how
does it look like they're in the movie the room?
Like you know what I mean, that scene where Hommy
Waiseau and whatever and Mark and they're on the roof
and it's like, looks like completely.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
I was like, this looks I don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
All the other stuff looks great, So I don't want
to pick on the visual effects generally.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I just that scene is.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Like wow, now that' said the scene itself, the emotional
dynamic underlying it, man, that was when I started getting
teary eyed.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Dude, I actually yeah, I cried, Like I didn't like weepy,
but I had tears in my eyes.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Well there were a few points, you know, as we progressed,
you know, but definitely like where they all agree, oh,
we're gonna meet once a month, and I was like,
oh you you you poor naive children.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I had the same thought and I think this might
be why we're okay with the ambiguity in.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Some of the moments. Yeah right, because I wonder if
I was.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Like nineteen or eighteen watching this, and I might believe them,
yeah right, they're going to get together every month, But
in my forties, I'm like, they won't. Yeah, but that
doesn't mean they didn't mean it, right, and it doesn't
mean they don't want to.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
But that's just not how life.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
That's that's not life exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
And so for me, there was a sweetness and I
did tear up at that, but there was also a
maybe a wistfulness, yeah, knowing that they were they're all
moving on to another portion of their lives, and it
reminded me of that feeling that I haven't felt that long.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
That's what got me emotional, is that sense of you know,
on the you know, Steve is like, you know, I
want to deserve this, you know, what we have here,
and it's like we all want that. We all have
those moments. It's like I just wish I could exist
in this moment forever. But I mean that's not not.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Never to be yeah, you know, even with Mike. I mean,
I have so many things.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
I know, we're hopping around, but when Mike was being
called up for dinner and he goes up the stairs
at the end, it just reminded me of that funny
feeling graduating high school and the world that you've known.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Your entire life.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You were about to cross into something else and it's
a weird, exciting, sad, unknowable, you know, mix of feelings.
And I thought they evoked that, they reminded me of that.
I was feeling those feelings again that I hadn't had
since I graduated high school.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And I thought they did an excellent job of voking
that well.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
And when you think about it, like that's part of
the result of it being set. When it's set, is
you know nowadays you know, you know you got your
group chain, yeah, and you know everybody's chatting and then
you know and no, that it wasn't like that back
in the day.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
It just wasn't right. Yep, you know, pre social media,
pre all that stuff. It's like, you know, no, people
move on, right, that's just what happens.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know, you lose touch. Actually, it's funny.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Just last or yesterday, my friend we posted or he
posted some picture from New Year's Eve and he goes, hey,
do you remember so and so from like work, you know,
fifteen years ago? She liked the picture, and I had
this thought like, wow, twenty five some years ago, that
would have been a person who was in my life
(23:39):
that I would have never you know, come in contact
with again. Yeah, but now with social media, we are
almost forever connected.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Even if we never speak.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
But I will see that it's so and so's birthday
from some job twelve years ago, right, you know, like
we're we are. There's this web of connection now that mains. Yeah,
that did not in the era that stranger things. The
last episode ended like those people, some of them will
lose touch.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I mean that's exactly it, right, I mean that that
that's that's no matter what. That's the future that awaits
these people.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Again, that's just life. That's not good or bad. It's
just it's what happens, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
But but did we want to get into sort of
the vecna of it all?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, the beats and stuff, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Uh So one thing I'll say I really liked. But
I said I think I says before I've really enjoyed
Will's journey this whole season me too. I loved the
moment when he connects to Henry and he's like, you
know the the mind flare it it lied to you,
It manipulated you, And we think it's it's maybe there's
(24:51):
a redemption element. There's a Ben solo thing in the
in the mix.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Hey, this is Brian and what you just heard was
a preview of an hour long conversation Zachie and I
had discussing the series finale of Stranger Things. The conversation
was completely unplanned, and when we were finished, we thought
this is the perfect type of bonus conversation.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
We're looking to.
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