Commentary Track: Jurassic World

There's a new JURASSIC WORLD movie in theaters this week,and the MovieFilm boys hopped on mic to talk through the 2015 franchise reboot. Listen separately or watch along as we point out behind-the-scenes stoiries and make plot observations about the Chris Pratt dinosaur adventure!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome Friends podcast podcasting Don show Jackie again Brian. They're
talking about movie mom podcast on baby.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Welcome to Jurassic World. You're a new guy, right. Do
you ever wonder why there's a job opening? As you know,
consumers want everything bigger. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.
You have an asset out of containment. You get the
kids someplace safe. Jurassic World is PG thirteen. Welcome to

(00:49):
a movie film commentary track. My name is Zaki is Son.
I'm here with Brian Hall. Hey.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
How's it going, Zachie?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hey? Uh, I was gonna ask you would you consider
yourself more of a blue or more of a delta,
echo or Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
You know, I think I like to think of myself
as a delta. Okay, I'm not sure if that's the guy,
the one that just bursts his head into that moving vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It might be that one, but I might.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Be I might be a bit of a Charlie, you know,
to you my own.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh see, I was gonna say, I don't mean to
put myself up on a pedestal, but I've always thought
of myself as a blue. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Why
is that? I don't know? You know, I think I'm
pretty confident I'm sort of the the you know, out
of all the other raptors, I'm probably the most able
to catch the frozen rat or whatever it gets gets

(01:38):
tought right, right, right right, that's my particular skill set. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, I'm just saying I was thinking, you know, I
like being capable, but also happily following your lead over here,
we'll take it.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
So what are we talking about while we're talking about
some of some of the specific mechanics that power that
magical place that that kingdom on an eye and far
away called Jurassic World.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, yeah, a sequel twenty two years in the making, that.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Is was it? Was it twenty two years? It was
twenty two years later, yeah, well after the first one,
after the first one. Yeah, And it's been ten years
since this movie came out.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Now that's crazy. I mean putting this in time, this
is the same year that Force Awakens came out, right.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So that is true. That is true. It opened and
it was an opening weekend box office record, if you
recall a record shortly shattered by the Force Awakens. We
should say, yeah, but regardless, it seems appropriate. It is
ten years since Jurassic World. It's also we're on the
eve of a brand new Jurassic World movie coming out. Yeah, yep,

(02:42):
this week. No time like the present to dip into
the old archives and watch watch the fourth Jurassic movie,
but the first Jurassic World movie.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Hmm yeah, and this new one is a Jurassic World
colon movie, right.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
That's right. So I think at this point it's just
the Jurassic World franchise. Yeah, yeah, I guess this is
you know which which. I gotta be honest, it kind
of makes me go, oh, I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
I mean, if I were ever to buy a shirt
or have a mug or something, I mean, I would
only want it to say park on it.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
You and me, we're we're the Jake Johnson's up in
this place. Yeah that's right, that's right. We're keeping a
real old school Yeah all right. Well, well, with that
in mind, we are going to be watching this film together.
There's only one cut, it is the theatrical cut, so
we'll try to keep our conversation interesting enough. And you know,
if y'all feel like watching along with us, you can.

(03:38):
If not, you know, we'll see. We'll see where this goes.
It's not gonna be just a walk in the park.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh no, it never is, it rarely, if ever is.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
That's right. Uh So I'm ready on my end. How
about you, Brian, I'm ready. So we are cued up
to just before the universal logos. So you know, if
you got like an FBI warring or whatever, you know,
you don't need to watch that. Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
I had to bypass some of that over in my end.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So there we go. I hear you, I hear you
out there experience. So I'm right, I'm holding onto my butt. Okay,
here we okay, here we go. I we'll do the
usual thing on three one, two to three play ready,
h huh one two three plate? All right?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
So, I mean you already mentioned this, but I mean
this was gargantuan when this opened.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
It really was, and that made me happy, and if
I'm honesty, it surprised me a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, that's even why I bring it up, because I
think you kind of expect a Jurassic Park sequel to
do pretty well, right, maybe even very well. But it
opened opening weekend, made two hundred and eight million amazing
in one weekend.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's crazy. Well, I think it shows that there was,
in fact a lot of pent up demand for a
new one of these movies fourteen years after the previous one.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, yep, And I mean that's that's domestic opening, but
global opening opening five hundred and twenty four million, half
a billion dollars opening, absolutely wild And so I mean,
and that's just been And then it went on to
make a billion dollars and it came that year the
fourth highest grossing movie of all time. Yeah, you know,

(05:27):
I'm sure nobody saw that coming. And I feel like
even as the sequels, the Jurassic World sequels have come
out and people have felt like it's fine, you know
kind of feelings, they continue to make gobs of money. Yeah,
like this this is a like, proven tested franchise that
people will show up for, no matter if they get better, worser,

(05:49):
or anywhere in between.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I always feel like everything we're saying right now should
have a little asterisk at the end of it, because
this is in the lead up to Jurassic World. We
don't know how the story ends. Let's assume if nothing else,
but I yes, yes, that movie's arrival so quickly after

(06:12):
last one shows that that universal has a lot of
faith in it, but we don't have absolute certainty yet.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
No, no, but I'd be willing to to bet that
it's going to be I.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Think it's going to do it. It's going to do
just fine, is sort of my my assumption, you know.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, hey, by the way, so we should comment so
the way, you know, we see these eggs cracking open
and dinosaurs being born, and then we see a giant
sort of claw foot stomp into the ground. And it's
a misdirect because as we pull back, we reveal it's
just a bird in present day, right and in the
same year. No, no, no, I'm sorry, wait that was
Last Jedi. Never mind, I'm wrong. I was gonna say.

(06:53):
In the Last Jedi, we got kind of a similar
sort of joke, right where we see the close up
of this shape and team shooting out of it. Oh sure, sure, yeah,
we're meant to believe that it's a cruiser, starship or something.
It was the eye ending or taking off for whatever
it is, and we pull back and it's an iron
It's kind of funny. I didn't even think about how
it's similar style jokes, very simply.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, So, well, those eggs that we see hatch at
the very beginning. Those are the two indominus Rexes that
that in gen has bred. Of course, one of them
we found out was was eaten by the other. Right,
that's right, there's my girlfriend, Judy Greer. Yeah. Yeah, this
movie came out just a year after I saw Judy Green.

(07:35):
I was at I was at the world premiere of
Kingdom of the U not King of the Planet of
the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and
there was Judy Greer, and and honestly, I was too
shy to approach her.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
You know what, though, I understand it, and I bet
she's the type of person who would appreciate being appreciated.
You know, she's she's the paraphrasing another you know, she's
the guy behind the guy. She's the girl behind the girl,
you know what I mean. Like, she's the one who's
really getting the job done, playing so many people's best friends,
saying all the one liners that everybody actually laughs at

(08:08):
and remembers. But she's you know, she's always always the bridesmaid.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Well that's hilarious. This was the same summer as ant Man,
so she was playing two very similar roles.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Oh that's right, Yeah, Wow, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
So you're you're not wrong, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, yeah, but got her locked in, you know, it's
so funny. I mean, then we have this moment. I
can't remember this guy's name but from the office.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yes, Oh, I forget his name too. Yeah, I'm trying
to look real fat. But I just saw Andy Buckley.
He was just I just saw him in Fubar the
series Arnold Treusninger, and he's one of the best things
in that show. So well, you know what.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I was just reading about him recently where he was
one of those actors where things just were not clicking
for him and he was almost ready to leave the business.
And then they brought him in for the Office and
he's I haven't watched that show since it aired. I
watched the whole thing, but when it actually aired, and
he's so memorable in that, I mean, he's one of
the more memorable characters in there. And then showing up

(09:10):
in this big franchise and now he's in a Schwarzenegger's
streaming series like you love to hear it.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Sometimes it's just he got to build up that momentum
and it just keeps you going from one thing to
the next.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, and so I had forgot I hadn't watched this
in many years. I was gonna ask, like, when's the
last time you saw this? All the way through, I
don't know. I mean I saw it in the theater.
I'm certain I watched it one other time at least,
but all the way through, I'd be willing to bet
yesterday was the third time. Okay, wow, wow, Okay, Yeah,

(09:44):
but I was I was kind of chuckling because it's like,
you know, these kids getting sent off to the park,
the parents saying goodbye at the airport, and then we
get the sense like, oh, I think they're getting divorced. Yeah,
And I was just like imagining Spielberg being like, I
have a note. It's like the parents gotta be getting divorced.
It's so funny, it's so depressing.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
That's really funny, you know. I think that there is
there there is sort of like a meta commentary here
where like the music as we are hearing this this
build up, I mean, this is just all the John
Williams theme and and in the original film we hear
it as we're seeing these dinosaurs, but in this movie

(10:30):
we hear it as we're seeing the park. Yes, isn't
that interesting?

Speaker 3 (10:35):
You know, it's very cool. I mean, this is such
an amazing take. I mean, you read, we can dig
into it. All the ideas they had for sequels, and
some got rejected. They didn't get past an outline phase.
There were many scripts. But it's incredible to me that
it took them this long to be like, what if
the park opened?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, and that was a Spielberg's being a Spielberg notes,
that was a Spielberg note.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's brilliant, you know. I mean we've seen you know,
people being where they shouldn't and there's dinosaurs on the loose,
which they've been fun and great. But let's see the
promise of the park and then see the dinosaurs break
out and attacking all the tourists. It's yeah, I mean
it just feels so obvious now, you know in hindsight, Well,

(11:20):
what what.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You realize about this movie is it's basically Jaws three
plus Deep Blue Sea. That's funny, that's what. That's all.
That's all. It is nothing wrong with that, But that's
that's the DNA that that doctor wu stitch together for
this little movie.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's that's a good point. I mean, I get the
deep blue sea thing. I have not seen Jaws three.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Jaws three. It's just you've got a shark loose in
in a theme park right in Sea World, right, How
does that work?

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I mean, if it's restricted to water, they they keep
finding way for people to fall into the tank.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
It works badly, I will say that.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Right, right, or it gets like a bubblesuit filled with water.
When he was thinking like.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
So so in terms of we talked about how successful
this movie was at the box office, which I think
speaks to just the long standing affinity people have for
the Jurassic films. And this is something I've obviously mentioned
many a time, but but I've seen it vis a
vis my students and things like that. It's just people

(12:35):
just watch the Jurassic movies with their families. Old, new,
doesn't matter, you know. So that's what that's why they
continue to do well. And and I'm always reminded when
I watched this movie, how excited humsa My oldest was
to go see this, yeah, right, and and he so
when when they re released the original film in three D,

(12:57):
he was six, and I took him with me to
the three D screening and it scared the shit out
of him, but he loved it, and just you know,
he imprinted on it like a baby raptor at six
years old, you know. And so whenever there was new
news about this, I'd be like, Oh, the new one
is coming. He's called Jurassic World whatever. And I'd be like, Oh,
it's coming out next week, you know. And I still

(13:18):
remember I was like, Oh, the week that it came out,
on Saturday morning, we're gonna go see it. And he
comes into my room at like six am or something crazy.
He's like, is it time yet? Is it time? You know?
That's so cute. He's like Gray in this movie, you know,
like his time look at this. Yeah, and he was
so excited. And I still remember when we came home,
he's telling my wife and he's telling his mom. At

(13:40):
the end, you know what happened. They opened Paddock nine.
They opened Paddock nine. Mom. She's like, I don't know
what that means, right right? I love that.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I mean I remember having a realization where I mean,
I was thirteen when the first one came out, and
I love it. I mean, it's still one of my
favorite movies. Yeah, favorite Spielberg movies and I do remember
when they started selling shirts at Target, you know, maybe
when I was in my thirties or something, and seeing
so many young people wearing it and realizing like, oh,

(14:14):
this is like their Jaws, like what Jaws kind of
was for me, like an older film that I really
loved and carried with me, like it was just kind
of cool. I didn't realize that. And I mean, you're
giving the perfect example that that's what happened with your sons.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, I think that. I mean, bottom line, people are
always going to be fascinated by dinosaurs, right, and so
that was something that Spielberg just he just cracked the
code with the first one, you know, and we always
whenever there's a new one of these Jurassic movies comes out,
there's always you always have the conversation, oh God, or

(14:51):
they when are they going to stop making these movies?
You know? And I'm like, Okay, look, none of them
are as good as the first one. Let's just acknowledge that. Yeah.
I don't thin anybody would dispute that. But in my opinion,
there is a fascinating world to tell stories in. I agree,
and and for me, like the premise of this film,

(15:13):
which again Spielberg very smartly was like, well, what if
the park they figured it out? Now, what happens next? Hey,
you got a great story to tell, you know. And
and I think this one largely works because because, like you,
I haven't seen it a ton. I remember watching it
a couple times in the theater and then you know,

(15:34):
I've seen it maybe once or twice since then, but
it had been long enough that it felt somewhat fresh
m hm. And I was like, yeah, you know, it's
still working for me. You know, there's things that that
bump me a little bit here and there. But I
think as a progression of the Jurassic I was gonna
say Jassic World, but as you know, the franchise, I

(15:56):
think I think it does a lot right. I think
so too.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I I think some of the sequels, Jurassic World sequels
have yeah, made things like poisoned the pool of my
mind a little bit with these, Like I'm sort of like,
oh wait, yeah, the Jurassic World.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I'm not sure I'm crazy about those, but.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
I and I also I feel like I never quite
latched on to Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard. I
agree with their characters as anchors for multiple movies. So
when I went back to this, I was thinking, like, oh, yeah,
I'm not crazy about those characters or they'd never felt
like strong enough to me. And this one's like pretty

(16:35):
good I remember, but like, I don't know, it's just
but rewatching it last night, I was like, no, this
one's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know, I think I liked him most. I get it, right,
I think so. By the way, this is the first
time I saw Jake Johnson was on this, and he's hilarious.
But he's great. Yeah it is. It is like now
when I see this, all I hear is Peter B.
Parker from the Spider Verse movies.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Oh that's funny.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm like, but it's just funny because
he's he's basically playing like the Seth Green character or
the Jason Lee character or the you know, like that
guy who's who's snarkily comments on everything that we're seeing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, and it's kind of a geek. Yeah yeah, yeah,
but I mean to go, I'll call him Owen and
Claire like the two adults in this film, like.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
As as I call him Chuck manley Man. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, I love how even the boys are like who's
that guy. I'd follow him anywhere, and I mean, you
know I would do in this film. But they're good,
Like I I remember just not tracking with just caring
about them and as a couple and stuff as the
movie subsequent movies, but in this one, I feel like

(17:53):
they're they're perfect. I think they're fine. I think her
is like sort of the corporated person in the park
and her getting in in the mix and him being
the guy who you know, has bonded with some of
the dinosaurs. It's it's interesting. I think they are a
good pair in this movie.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
I think me personally, I would have liked a little
more shade to Claire's character because it's very like she's
a button down workaholic. Oh for sure. Yeah, it's like,
all right, we get it.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, yeah, no, will to use your line. It's
not the magnificent Emerson's, but.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean she is she just yeah, she's kind of
a tight She's cartoonishly buttoned down workaholic, you know, right.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Right until she unbuttons her shirt and ties it into
a little not like right then she becomes like jungle
version of Claire, you know, like that action figure that's
a different.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, that's that's the variant figure. So so irpon con
I love. He's just a great actor, right rip rip Yeah,
amazing actor and even in kind of a nothing role
like this, he brings like gravitas, you know that said,
I can't figure out what the movie wants me to
think about about Simon Mazrani, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, because he has some moments of integrity, yes, right, yeah,
and he seems to really care about the spirit of
the park exactly versus the business of the park.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, so you're like, oh, okay, he's kind of a
John Hammond type because I think we like Hammond when
I was said and done right, right, But then you know,
when he flies alicopter, you know, towards the middle, he's
being kind of a kind of a jackass, right right.
So I was like, I don't know, I don't know
if the movie knows.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I wonder if that comes from many drafts of a
screenplay or something.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That is a good point. Wow, well, I mean speaking
of many drafts, we should talk about the sort of
tortured history that led from Jurassic Park three to Jurassic World,
I mean fourteen years of development. Yeah, yeah, it is remarkable.
I mean that they're at one point Joe Johnston was
going to come back do one. Then he dipped out,

(20:02):
and then other people got involved, and then Joe Johnson
came back, and then he dipped out again. They were
gonna do they had John Sales do a draft with
like dinosaur human hybrid people. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I was reading that, like, uh what, yeah, right, that's
sort of like the Super Mario Brothers movie.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I you know what's funny though, is I feel like
the longer these movies go on, the more inevitable that
happening is.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
I yeah, yeah, I mean, well this movie, this is
like a big part of it. I mean a lot
of the dialogue here is saying it's very meta, right, yes,
where they're like, well, we've created this new dinosaur that
never existed because you know, people are dinosaurs aren't enough
for people anymore. Kids aren't wowed by them, you know,

(20:52):
so we've got to create something bigger, more teeth, which
obviously they're commenting in this movie why they added a
dinosaur that never existed, because it's like, well, we have
three dinosaur movies and maybe kids won't be thrilled by
that anymore. So we got to give them something bigger
and so okay, now we did that. Now we got
mutant dinosaurs, right, So yeah, where do you go from that?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
You gotta keep escalating.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I suppose that's the I you know, I think in
terms of and that's that's a problem that they're gonna
have to resolve the further along they go. But certainly
with this movie, they they tackled what I always thought
was a problem with the prior sequels, which was if
the dinosaurs are all on an island and you are

(21:40):
not on that island, just don't go to that island, right,
and problem solved, you know, And so they would always
have to do like both two and three have some
equivalent of either Ian Malcolm or Alan Grant going no way,
I'm not going to that island, not a chance, And
how did I get on this island? Or you know,
right right right? And this it's like, well, we're all

(22:03):
here anyway, because they in between movies, we worked through
all the logistics and we got the park working, and
so that at least explains why none of the legacy
characters are in this movie. And I remember at the time,
I was like, I was like, oh, you know, because
I wanted my old friends back.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Yeah, and those were some of the earlier iterations. That's
right involved at least Alan, Grant, Andy and Malcolm I think, right, yes.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
That's right. And maybe had they had they you know,
jumped on that a little sooner, we probably would have
gotten that. I think in the context of this film,
Colin Trevarro said something to the effect of like he
didn't want to just rope those characters in if if
the story didn't justify it, which I respect. Like, I'm

(22:53):
with you.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
I'm like, well, I really would like to see them, yeah,
but I also don't want it to feel kind of
silly enforced.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, well it is. I've said this before. I feel
like with the Jurassic World trilogy, they almost looked at
the Star Wars sequel trilogy with regards to the legacy characters,
and we're like, what, well, we will don't do that
what those movies did.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Don't do that the Star Wars sequels, Yes, like don't
kill them.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
All that, and and like have them together and have
you know, yeah, yeah, you know. And and that's because
because one thing I've said about about the third one
of these, which I haven't seen it a ton. But
the one thing I loved was that it I felt
like it fed our mad Our legacy characters. It made
them vital to the story.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, yeah, I remember not loving that one. I this
did make me curious, like in for a penny, you know,
all right, Well I don't think i've seen the other
two since the theater. Yeah, so maybe for fun, I'll
watch those again.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
So the the for dominion. If you're gonna watch it,
watch the extended cut that that Travarro uh prefers. Wait,
this is ringing a bell.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
So he got to do a director's cut.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, essentially that was like his trade off with Universal,
where it's like he got the assurance that they would
put out the extended cut, which is his preferred cut.
Oh what.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I mean, you don't have to get into the nitty gritty,
but like, what what's generally different about it? And why
do you think they is it just because it's longer?
Why would they?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah, because the movie was like long enough already and
this adds about I want to say, like twenty minutes
to it. But I personally think, I mean, look, it's
it's a difference of degrees, but I think those degrees
matter I think it gives us a little bit more
breathing room with lots of different scenes, and you know,
I think I think it flows better. I think the

(24:54):
movie still has its problems. But but for me, what
I always appreciated was the how it wove in the
legacy characters. That's just me personally, No, i'd be same.
I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I just remember feeling underwhelmed. But of course I was
very happy to see the Yeah them involved.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, No, I'm basically with you. I think that that
film it felt like that they they didn't want to
grapple with the premise where the previous film left them,
which is there's dinosaurs everywhere. Now, Yeah, I feel like
the movie should have done more with that. You know.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's funny because my memory is that people didn't like
Love whatever. The second one was Fallen Kingdom, Fallen Kingdom.
But for me, that was kind of what I loved
about it was that there were dinosaurs running around a house.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, that's what I want to see. I want to
see dinosaurs where they shouldn't be. That's right, you know,
That's why I loved I always I remember seeing a
Lost World in the theater and walking out with my
friends who were disappointed, and I was like, but there
were dinosaurs running around San Diego. That's cool, you know,
knocking over the little ball from the gas station.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
And that's right, that's the stuff. Yeah, yeah, I love
that stuff. Well, and I think and by the way,
should say I mean the Owen Grady character who like
he's trained the dinosaurs. That was another Spielberg note.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Uh, yes, you know, And I remember I think before well,
we can you know Vincent Dnafrio here, which is kind
of cool, okay, as as Johnny Mustache Twirler, the first
he really is, and uh, I kept thinking, I don't
know why. I just specifically last night as I was
watching this, I was thinking, if I was any of
these actors, I'd be like, holy crap.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Man, like Vincent Danafrio.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Like yeah, right, like because I think because he's playing
such like a bumbly like you say, like Mustache Twirler,
but it's like, damn, that's like pile you know, from
a Little Jacket, and like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
That's Detective Robert Goren from the Law and Order Criminal Intent. Yeah,
to put some respect on his name. That's Thor from
Adventures and babysitting. That's right, it's four and the Kingpin.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Yeah, but I would just feel like overwhelmed, I think,
being opposite him. But but yeah, there was this I
remember reading early on, even before this movie came out,
that there was the thinking, you know, maybe we'll have
it where the dinosaurs will be you know, part of
the military. Yeah, you know, working alongside humans. And I

(27:21):
was always thinking that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
So I was thinking that this particular bit right here,
I was thinking, because he's like, you know the problem
with drones they can get hack wit he use dinosaurs.
I'm like, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
It makes no sense none. And I mean obviously Owen
is making that case. He's like, these are like wild animals, dude,
you know. But I but I do think in a way,
I think this is almost the best version of it
because you do get to introduce that idea that they
obviously wanted to play with. But then you also get

(27:54):
to have the counterpoint where it's like, no, man, that's nuts,
it would never work, right, you know, And but you
get just enough. You know, you got a character who
imprinted on these velociraptors. Early they have some sort of
just a threadbare bit of a respect for him, you know,
where he's the alpha. It pushes it as far as

(28:15):
I think you possibly could. Yeah, and you have this
moment here that went kind of viral.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Right, it did, right, I remember that. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
So you got this poor kid who falls into the
I don't know what you'd call it, their little area. Yeah,
so Owen has to run in there and let the
kid get out. And he's doing that thing where he's
standing there holding out his hand.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
This is this is basically me trying to referee a
fight between my kids exactly. This. I'm like, don't give
me that ship. You know, that's hilarious. You need a
clicker that would make the difference. Actually.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, and Omar Sai here, I haven't called him out yet,
but I forgot that he was in this.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
He's such a good actor. He comes back for the
third one. Also, it just happened since I was watching
X Men Days of Future Past last night and he's
in that. Also.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Wow, I have not seen that in a while.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah. No, I've been going through all those movies with
my daughter. She's like loving it.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Oh, that's that's that's what's so fun. Is like you
get to not only revisit those films, but kind of
see them through fresh eyes.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
It's so funny to because my daughter is now at
the watch the X Men age, so she said, what's
his mutant power? You know?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
That's so fun.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
That Chris Pratt was having a good couple of years
here because he had I mean Guardians of the Galaxy
the prior summer just exploded him onto the A list,
and I think Lego movie was either just before just
after that, right, m yeah, right, and then this so
I mean he he was like a multi billion dollar man.

(29:59):
You know, he went from relative obscurity to just you know,
a bona fide movie star. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Well, I mean he was on Parks and rec right,
but he was like a really he was like a Doe, Yeah, exactly,
the Dowe, funny guy. Yeah, and then like overnight he
becomes like handsome leading man.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
That's right, because like he was in Zero Dark thirty,
he was in Moneyball, but I mean, you know, he
was like a second third tier you know.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, and I think then he got maybe a little overexposed.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
And I think I still think he's got the goods,
but I think then they just started slotting him into
too many things, and I think if he kind of
was a little more choosy and did the things that
were suited to him, I think, you know what I mean,
instead of just putting him into any leading role, I
think it.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Might have helped him a little bit. The thing is
that when you when you look at his performances, pretty
much every time he played star Lord, he he oh, yeah,
he's great.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
He's That's the perfect role for him, it really is.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
And that's end the role. Yeah, that is the role.
And I think the Jurassic movies somewhat did did him
a disservice because I don't know what we really learn
about Owen, yeah, than him being Chuck manley Man and
he loves his Waser Raptors. You know, that's just it, right.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I think, like I said, I think he's pretty good
in this, and he is. He gets the job done
and you enjoy him. But then as you make more
stories with him, you realize there isn't anymore there, you
know for that character. Like he's he's very effective in this,
but they, I don't know, they don't build him out

(31:40):
in enough interesting ways. He just starts to become less
and less interesting as they go along or something.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's a tough one though,
right because because like if we look at Alan Grant
in in what does Jurassic Park three give us new
about about Alan? You know, that's a good point, Like
that too, is leaning on our established affinity for him.

(32:06):
M hmmm, right. I think that the difference is that
Jurassic Park gives Alan Grant a rich arc yes, where
he's fundamentally a different person at the end then he's
at the beginning, you know. Yep. I remember when you
and I talked through Jurassic Park three and we mentioned
how it had this weird Looney Tunes style ending where

(32:28):
it just kind of it just it just runs out,
you know, as you know, and and you know, I
was talking to you about the original plan where it
would have had, you know, a final pterodactyl attack and
he would have this thing where well Grant has to
use the raptor claw to claw through and then he
has to let go, you know, and there's like this

(32:48):
whole thing and and that boy Eric says, oh, where
do you think they're going? And Grant is like, oh,
they're flying off or going where, and he says, I
hope they serve vibe or something to that effect in
grants like, I hope so too. And I loved that
because it was this great culmination of his arc in
that movie where he starts out he's like, those aren't dinosaurs,

(33:10):
those are theme park monsters, where he comes to appreciate
them as animals too, right, So in other words, they
originally they gave they gave him a journey. Yeah, And
when I think about Owen in this film, fundamentally he's
the same dude at the end as he is at
the beginning, because basically the whole movie is him being like,

(33:32):
don't do this. Oh you should have listened to me
because I was right, And that happens multiple times. Yep,
you know, yep. That's a great point. And I think
I think the opportunity as always and this is not
a not just about this but in general, right, you
want to look at it in terms of how do
we how do we give our character some kind of

(33:53):
a failing or a weakness that he has to overcome
and we don't really get that, I don't think with Owen.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
No, that's that's a great point, that that's exactly it.
And I think that's why it works well enough in
this movie, because we know.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
There's sort of a there's sort of an inner propulsion
with the story. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Yeah, and he gets the job done, and that's satisfying
to watch. But then we realize that there isn't really
anything more to him as we spend more time with
him in sequels.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, and you know, I think I think Chris Pratt
is just generally a charming guy. But I think I
think he works He works well as kind of an
accidental hero, you know, Yes, yes, which is what he well,
for a time, was sort of tending to play.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
But this Yeah, he's got it all figured out. He's
always got the answer. Yeah, he understands everything. Yeah, it's
I don't know, we kind of want to see him.
I would love to see him think he knows what
he's doing, and then it doesn't go that way and
he goes h you know, and then has figure something
else clever out, you don't he Yeah, like you're saying,
I mean, he he's always in control.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
And it's I think that you know, the idea that
you know, he he's got velociraptors figured out. And then
and then now here. Here's here's an animal no one
has ever known, and what what does he do?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Then?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Right? That's kind of the movie Toys with that a
little bit, but it always has him like he's he's
on the job. He's on the case, you know, like
like to me, it's a little thing. But when when
he cuts the gas line, yeah, so that you know

(35:41):
the smell, you know, the I just want to smell.
I think that's a cool moment. I think it's really cool,
and I I would have liked if it took him
a second to make that realization that he needs to
do that. Ah yeah, yeah, sure, does that make sense?
You know?

Speaker 3 (35:56):
No, you know it's so funny. You're saying something that
I didn't even like fully form in my brain last night,
because when he did it, I was thinking, like, oh,
did he like clock something that I missed about the
dinosaur finding that other guy because of his scent? But yeah,
I don't think it's there.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
He just kind of does yeah, because you're like, no,
he's on the case. He got it, cause's Chuck manley Man.
He's got to figure it out, right.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Right, Yeah, he's already run this scenario in his Yeah,
if I'm ever being pursued by a dinosaur and I'm
happened to be underneath a car cut the gas line.
This by the way, So I was watching this moment
here where we're seeing is it the Moses sore in
the tank? And it looks like SeaWorld. You've got everybody

(36:43):
out in the open air in the stadium seating and
get splashed by the water. And then when the creature
goes back under the water, the seat's lower lower, and
so then now they're underground getting to watch it swim
in the tank. And I thought, man, that is really
well thought out. That is just a really clever I
don't know of some like storyboard artist or you know,

(37:04):
concept art or something, but like, what a genius idea
for this particular attraction and at a theme park. And
then later I saw that that was Steven Spielberg's idea.
Of course it was yeah, they had the SeaWorld part
of it, but he was like, but what if the
seat's lowered and then you can see it underwater and
I was like, ah, yes, And along those lines getting

(37:26):
ahead of it, he also came up with those gyrosphere vehicles.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
I love those. Those are so great.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, the little like hamster balls. And then I was like,
you know, of course he's got these theme park instincts, right,
you know. I mean he's one of the people who's
contributed so much to Universal Studios, so much so and
lending you know, et and he came up with the
concept of the ET ride and said it's okay to
do it and whatever. And because of that, he got

(37:54):
it in a contract that he gets a cut of
all ticket sales from Universal Studios every single year.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Make that money, Steve.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Oh man, I mean just that alone. Can you imagine
how much about Yeah? But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
See that's the reason he can he can do his
his fablemans that make no money. Yeah, it doesn't even matter.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, yep, because he's.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Like Uncle Screws swimming in that money, Ben three hundred
and sixty four days out of the year. You know.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
But he's one of those people that you you know,
he has like got a ton of money. But then
when you just think about all these other things, you know,
and like the video game things he's done and it's
not called duty, but the other one I can't remember,
maybe it his call of duty. There was one World
War two game. It was like his idea really yeah,
and he was just I think it was after Private Ryan.
He's like, there should be a playable video game version

(38:47):
like World War Two, and so I mean, yeah, just
all the I don't know, all the money that must
be coming in for that guy, I can't even fathom it.
I was wondering why this guy wearing a hard hat
sitting indoors at his computer.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Well, because he still occasionally has to go outside, that's true.
I just I don't think you're getting much protection from
that hard hat. Probably they're right, right, I don't know. Yeah.
The Indominus rex is very funny to me because you
know they kind of they kind of hand wave it
as like, well, we added like this characteristic because of

(39:26):
this and because we want him to look you know,
colorful or whatever, and it's like, you gave it the
worst characteristics of all time. Yes, yes, it's like, why
why does its chest open up and a rocket launcher
comes out? Yeah? Yeah, you know, you know, the the
knob tailed gecko has that characteristic.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
What we gave it an inherent distrust of human beings?
You know, why would you do that?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Oh, that's uh Ian Nuckham's book, right, there.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Right, Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
That is so funny. Yeah, Like why wouldn't you make
it big and give it a lot of teeth but
sort of domesticated a little.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, exactly, make it very docile. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, we also gave it, you know, puppy dog jeans.
It wags its tail when you when you uppear. But this,
this is this is fun. I mean, this is uh.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
This sequence is very effective in terms of tention.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah yeah, And I love that it's uh smart and
it's creating a distraction for them and it's using its
abilities against them while they're you know, luring them in.
But like, you know, it's kind of interesting too. Uh well,

(40:46):
I'll say it. I was gonna get to the kids.
I was like, we haven't even talked about the kids,
but but no, just I I just love the concept
of this. Like they have the park, it's in working order,
they've got all these things in a control, but they've
introduced an unknown element into it now.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, sort of like.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Completely human engineered.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
You can't take the win, like like yeah, yeah, you
guys figured it out. You after after three movies of
Just Mayhem, you got to a place where where people
are showing up and you got to you know, the
corporate interest has to has to step on common sense.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, but I sort of get it, like you you
got the t rex figured out, so it's like, all right,
well it's the hubris of it, all right, Like, well,
let's if we if we've gone this far, we've made,
you know, a version of a t rex and or whatever,
Like what can't we make.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
That's what they should have called the Hubrisaurus.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
That would be so funny, the Hubrisaurus.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Ohen, do you realize what you've done? Yeah? I just
like all this.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I mean, I guess what I'm saying is you could
have the version where like the t Rex just breaks
out in the park. Yeah, like it's already there in
the park, But I like this sort of experimental thing
on the side, and it buys them a little bit
of time, like the dread of its heading towards them.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah. Yeah, that's right exactly. You know. But and I
I think that the movie, like when we talk about
why it performed as well as it did, I mean
I think it really it it benefited from that extended hiatus.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, a lot of pent up and excitement about it. Yeah,
so you know, that's that speaks to just the continued
affinity people have for this, this universe. You know, this
so sad that shot guy. On the other hand, I
would say he's the idiot who opened the gate to
begin with. That's true.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I'm not saying he didn't have it coming. I'm just
saying that that is such a sad face that he
It's that is true.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
But so right there, Owen, like right away he's like,
m cuts the gas line. I'm just like, give us,
give us a little bit of him figuring that out.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I mean, if you give literally maybe it's on the nose,
but like the dinosaur like yeah, you know, kind of
a thing, or even him like oh like smells his
arm or something, you know, like yeah and then yeah
and then cut the Yeah. I'm with you on that.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I like that. It's weird because I think those are
the little moments that endear you to characters.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, watching them be clever. Yeah, Yeah, it's fun watching
people figure stuff out, you know. So Colin Trevarro, yes,
like he went the movie he made before this had

(43:56):
a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars budget, amazing, and
then he made Jurassic World, which made half a billion
dollars in one weekend and had like a you know,
two hundred million dollar budget. That's crazy, and it really is.
And honestly, I think he did a great job. I
think this movie's directed very well. I think the tension
is executed really well. There's some really you know, clever

(44:19):
shots it. You know, there was this, especially with the
Marvel films, there was this trend of Okay, well let's
take someone like Chloe Joao or someone you know like these, Yeah,
they had this successful indie film and then let's give
them a superhero movie or a blockbuster. And sometimes it worked,
sometimes it didn't. But I think Trevarro this is a
real success story. I mean, we can get into he's

(44:42):
had a tricky path after that, but like, I think
this turned out really well.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Well. If nothing else, he would say that he you know,
he has proven financially successful with the totality of the
Jurassic World trilogy because he he wrote the stories for
all three, you know, and he director the third one,
which you know, again, I think he's a competent filmmaker.
It's weird. There was a moment there everybody was kind
of taking a dump on him.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
He's had such an interesting path. I mean, again, I
think this is a very I wouldn't even just call
it competent. I would say this is a very well
directed I agree Jurassic.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Park film, and it's a perfectly good calling calling card
as far as what he's capable of doing.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Absolutely, I mean, I think he goes like the extra
mile in terms of being clever in the way that
he reveals things and you know, visually and everything.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah. But yeah, So then he was going.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
To do the third Star Wars sequel, right, But then
somewhere along the line he directed a movie.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Was it called like the Book Book of Henry Book.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Of Henry And I never saw it, but man, did
that thing get like completely.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
People were lining up to ship on its head.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Which I don't understand because it didn't feel like there
was It wasn't like residual from anything that he had done, right, Like,
it was just people really hated this movie, but they
didn't just it wasn't enough to be like, oh, misfire.
It was like, yeah, like, let's eviscerate this and invistrate him.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And it was like, yeah, this guy's gonna do a
Star Wars f him.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yeah, which well, and I don't know if we know
for certain, but then yes, following that, he was dismissed
from doing the third Star Wars film, and in one
of those sort of magical things that happens, you're like, oh, man,
if only I could read the screenplay he wrote for that,
And then it appeared he did get to read.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
It, and look, I will go to my grape being like,
that was a better movie than the Rise of Skywalker.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Yeah, and I'm sure they would have worked on it
and worked out any kinks. But I remember enjoying it too,
And I say, you know, one of those magical moments
because I remember that with what's his name, shaw Shank
oh dere Mont Derabant, you know, he had written an
Indiana Jones far and then you know, they went with
something else, and I remember thinking, oh, only I could

(47:01):
read Derbahn's script. Then like a week later, there it was.
I love when that happens. But yeah, that was wild,
and so I think he just took a ding, maybe reputationally,
like oh, they like kicked him off of Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Geez, you think it was solely because I mean not solely,
but but like that that reaction to Book of Henry
like precipitated that you think, see, that's just it.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
I don't know. I'm like kind of hesitant to think
that it could be that that really just because of that,
I don't I don't know. There had to be something else,
like maybe where they had things that they wanted to
do and maybe he was pushing back or yeah, I
don't know. By the way, all right, we got to
call these kids. This kid I've said it before, I
don't remember. It might have been iron Man three ty Simpkins.

(47:44):
This kid is one of the best child actors. I
feel like I've seen I love him.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
He is so look at him, Yeah, that it's breaking
my heart looking at him crying here thinking about his
parents divorcing and his brother isn't like comforting comfort him
like he needs right here, Like I it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Like sometimes you see people in very like instagramy speak,
you know, like they see a dog or something like
I would die for that dog, you know, or whatever,
Like I feel that way about this kid, Like I
want to be this kid's dad, like I want to
protect him, Like he's just so like when he's happy,
I just feel this joy inside. And when he's crying.
I just want to like hug him and tell him

(48:23):
it's going to be okay. You know, I've seen good
child actors before recently and twenty eight years later, but
like this kid. Man, he's got the goods, Like he
just really is so natural and with all the emotions.
And I remember feeling that when this first came out
and revisiting this, I was like, Man, this kid. I'm
surprised we didn't see more of him, honestly in this.

(48:44):
I know he's still around and he's older now, but
as a child actor, I'm surprised we didn't see more.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah. Well, yeah, he was in Iron Man three, he
was in this. He's in the opening scene of the
Good Guys or Nice Guys, Nice Guys. I mean, yep, yep.
And that's about it. I think that I know, you know,
hasn't that wild.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
It feels like it'd be more. But and it's an
interesting dynamic these brothers, you know, it's I remember that
they bond through this experience. But I was really hating
the older brother when it started. He is so annoying.
He's just so I mean, you know, you get the
he's got the googly eyes with the girls, which is
part understandable, part like this is kind of creep. I

(49:24):
can't tell.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
He's like a horny teenager.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Well yes, and we all were. But like there's that
one saying I don't think it's happened yet where he's
standing in line and he's basically just like staring this
girl down, like he's not even like smiling. Yeah, it's
almost like he's trying to talk to her through his
mind with like esp and I'm like, this is weird.
But along the way, of course, it brings the brothers
closer and it's really sweet.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
This actor right here right in front, that's Brian t.
He was a regular on Chicago Mad, which is what
I most spell him from. But he also played the
Shredder in a teenage mc nat turtle Out of the Shadows. Ah. Nice.
He's a good actor.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Yeah, well he definitely when he gets uh attacked here, Yeah,
he stands out. He doesn't just feel like guy number
four like he I remember it from last night, like
his face and his yell. So the dinosaur remembers where
they put in the tracking device.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah see again, scientists maybe maybe think this stuff through.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
A little bit, you know, Yeah, give them some forgetfulness,
give them the quickness of a sloth.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
See. I almost wonder if, like you don't you engineer
something like instead of breeding it with all of these traits,
you create a dinosaur and in true Ian Malcolm fashion,
life finds the way it ends up evolved these characteristics, right, and.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Which would give Grady something interesting to do where they
could be like, we don't understand we get him this
way and he's like, no, no, you you don't understand. They
didn't get to bond, yeah, the way that a wild
creature should. And because you did this, it found a
way to do this instead. And you know, right like there's.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Some of that in the beginning where he talks about
how it all it knows is is you know, uh,
being in this thing and you know it's bred to hunt,
and you know that's not you know that stuff is
really interesting. But I think this notion that you can
explain every trait that it has based on you know,
uh doctor wu checking a box. You know, yeah, yeah,

(51:39):
I think it's more interesting that that you bread it
to be one way. And you know, just like remember, oh,
the they're not supposed to be able to reproduce, but
somehow they did because life finds a way that that
would have been the way to go. You know.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
I mean that's like the the ethos of this series, right, Yeah,
that like we think we're in control the humans, and
we can we understand, we can manipulate things through the
science that we we wield, but it's like man, sometimes
life just finds a way to do the thing that's unexpected.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
That's unexpected.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Yeah, yeah, see, I think that when when we talk
about the dynamic between the two characters, I think that's
that's what I.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Missed, was something that allows us to see that Claire
is filling a gap that Owen has, while Owen fills
a gap that she has. Right, So, in other words,
together they are they make for this team that can
solve this problem. Yep, yep, because what it essentially becomes
is her having to learn how to how to you know,

(52:44):
just stand behind Chuck manley Man, you know, yep.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah, it's so funny you say that. I mean my
brother and I we were actually starting to write something
together and this past weekend we were talking about the
two characters and literally we said, like, what does this
guy have that he doesn't and what does this guy.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Have that he doesn't how funny?

Speaker 3 (53:06):
How do they how do they compliment one another?

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
What can they learn from each other?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
See? I think that when we look at the original
Jurassic Like, I think that, honestly, that's why those three
characters are so beloved to this day, because they are
such distinct types and they provide such cool contrasts with
each other, right, Like, well, I'm not gonna speak for you,

(53:33):
but I love the scenes with Alan and Ian. Yeah,
you know, because because it's just he's kind of in
this gear. He's in this gear, and together they have
this this different energy, you know. And and for me
that you know, I again, you know when the t

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Rex breaks out of the paddock and and you know,
Grant is like Ian frees what a great scene? Yeah right,
And and and you realize it's because because Malcolm isn't
thinking scientifically, He's like, look, I'm going to do this
to rescue the kids.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Yep, yep, right, I'll put my life at risk, you know, yep.
And they're both smart, they're just smart in different ways,
different ways, you know. Yeah, that kid is such perfect casting.
I fun a ride attendant.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Put upon ride attendant. He's perfect.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I was Uh, sorry, guys, it's clothes, you know, I
just work here.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
But you saw that weird sterry he has given that girl, right,
I did. Yeah, it's a weird I mean, by the way,
I don't blame the actor. I almost kind of like
blame the director that you know, like just you should
have even like given if you just smirked a little
like he's trying to send something her way, but instead
he's just kind of like staring her down.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
It's very weird. Yeah, or or do something like he's
looking at her and if she glanced at it and
he kind of looks away.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something a little more playful.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I don't know. I don't know. It's it's been a
long time since you were a teenager, Brian. That's true,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
That's probably I probably thought I was doing one thing
in my mind, and that's what I was doing, but
like worse.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Uh yeah, I mean the you know, you don't understand
how us young people. I get it. I get it,
old man, that's pretty sure. I'm older than you. But
so b d.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Wong is back, I know, and he's a major player now.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
They should have they should have put his name in
all caps on the poster above the title.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Above the right. But you know, I remember not being
sure how I felt about him becoming well another Mustache
swirler basically in this Yeah, maybe because I thought it
was cool that he was from the original and I'm like, oh, no,
he's a smart science guy like, he's you know, he's
like Hammon's right hand science guy man like. But then

(56:09):
on the other hand, yeah, that's kind of fun, you know,
like maybe it's he's science guy now kind of run
him up and it gets bad Wong some fun things
to do, and it is a link from the films
that I love to this one.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
And you know, I don't know, I I certainly appreciate
the thinking of bringing him back. Like, you know, if
if Trevarro and Derrick Connelly's calculation was, you know, we
want any legacy characters, we want there to be some
story reason, well there you go. There's there is certainly
a story reason for for uh doctor Wu to be

(56:45):
in this And and I think, to be fair, I
don't think he is like Mustache chorally in this one.
Per se.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
He gets it though, doesn't he at one point? Or
maybe just like arrogant, and mister.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Arrogant is like he he has the like I don't
think he's like he's never like mohaha, level no, you're right,
you're right, right, But but there is that sense of like, well,
this is I'm doing what you hired me to do,
Like what did you think we were making? Kind of thing?
And you know, he is exactly who Malcolm is talking

(57:21):
about in that great scene at the in the dinner scene,
right or your scientists were so obsessed with whether they
could they didn't think that they should. Well that is
Henry wu mm hmm, right, And so in that sense,
and we see that in the one scene he's in
in the original where he doesn't think twice about the
fact that they're velociraptors and things.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Right, right, So he's a little smug in that scene too.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Exactly, that's exactly it, right, Yeah, so it is it
feels like a normal progression. Now that being said, my
recollection is he gets a little mustache truly in the
second one of these. And I could be wrong about that,
but that's my you.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Know what, that's probably what I'm applying because that's my
memory of him.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
By the way, this is the Jimmy Fallon thing that's
playing in the Gyrosphere.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
You know, it's so perfect because at the Universal studios
like tour you get to go, there's a Jimmy Fallon
video funny, and so this just feels like something that
they would do, Like.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I love it it just for me.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
It's like they have some fun details about theme parks
in here, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean this movie really is like
product placement palooza.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
It is, but in a way that feels. I mean, Trevorrow,
i think is even said he did it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
You know, and and well it's great because because you
can do it on purpose in terms of making meta commentary. Yeah,
but you're also you're also getting the money from these
companies as they have their products.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah yeah, while the grill still gets to have their
little store.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Front, right you know. Yeah, Jimmy Buffetts or whatever, isn't
that in here somewhere?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, we literally see him too, right.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah. Now, now that we were just talking about the
Gyrosphere and how cool that is, you could not pay
me enough to get one of those things and roll
around among dinosaurs. Sorry, never, no way.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I would always want to be behind glass, right, Well,
I mean I know that's glass, but that's like glass
that he could you know, pick up and yeah exactly,
or like kick you know, kick like a soccer ball
and me across the jungle, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Well, and also like it's you know, he like get
goes off the path or something, right.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Yeah, there feels like there should be a safeguard against that.
You know, they like, you know, if you can they
have whatever the technology, so you can't take a shopping
cart out of the parking lot of a grocery store.
It feels like this things would have some sort of
fail safe.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Well, in the original park, it was those cars that
were on the track right right right, do something like that. Yeah,
but plot, techy plot. Those are the things that always
take me out where It's like, I don't believe any
theme park would allow people to just just go off

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in one of these things. No way, that's like a
lawsuit waiting to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Yeah, they'd wander off or they'd never come back.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, it never come out exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Yeah, but you know what, I gotta admit watching this
last night, even though I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I was doing a couple of other things too, but
like I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Didn't think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, sure, I mean you roll with it literally in
those guyse Yeah. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I thought this was kind of interesting too, just the
filmmaking part of it, where Tavarro wanted to shoot this
in two thirty nine espect ratio, which is really really wide, yeah,
and Spielberg was like, no, no, no, you gotta do one
eight five, which is still widescreen, but it's a lot taller.
That's basically what TVs are now these days. One eight

(01:00:54):
five interesting, and that's how he shot the original Jurassic Park,
and his reason was headroom for the dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
It makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
So the compromise was Trevarro shot this in like two
point zero zero, which is rarely ever used, and so
that way he's like, well, it gave us the headroom
and we also get the scope that I wanted. I
thought that was kind of funny that he I imagine
if Spielberg was like, no, Brian, shoot in't one a
five that's how I did the first one, I'd be like, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I was thinking that. I was like, if Spielberg tells
you to do anything, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
But I thought that I kind of get it though.
I gotta be honest, Like, I understand having it taller.
That does make sense because of the height of the dinosaurs.
But I also get there is just something maybe even
subconscious about like a wider frame feeling more cinematic or something.
It's funny that he found that compromise with like a
lesser used aspect ratio.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
I wonder if Trevarro was like a dick about the
compromise today He's like, how about okay, I'll shoot it
in two ohh Is that okay? Steve right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
And then Steve got right on the horn with Kathy
Kennedy and I was like, yeah, we need to talk
about your boy here. And that's how he got off
of That's the backstory.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Look at Simpkins, he's so scared. I just want to
like hug him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
He just he just has that younger brother energy. Maybe
that's what it is. The older brother in me is
just completely like locked onto the younger brother energy here
right for him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I that's definitely like I see this whole thing, and
I just it's like me and my brother when we
were younger, you know, because yeah, you know, I totally
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Yeah, this is kind of smart too. I was thinking
just story wise, like give these extra dinosaurs to buy
you time to have the big one working on those
before he would pay attention to the kids. And it's
great too, like the phone buzzing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's perfect. Yeah, good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
Tech that didn't exist in the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
First amazing seriously, Yeah, those movies relied heavily on satellite phones,
you know. Yep. I also like how this bit here
where it put puts its claws into their the gyrosphere
and you see the glass start to crack. It reminds
me of in Lost World, you know, when they're the

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the van is the hanging and the glass starts to crack.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
You know they're on it, right, aren't they like rarely
on it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, Julianne Moore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Yeah, well it's also you know, you just had Jimmy
fallon in that video being like shooting a handgun. Yeah,
the glass being like, oh this glass is really really tough,
and then you see the claw go immediately through it.
You know, okay, we're screwed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
See this's right here. That's where I have explosive diarrhea.
Oh my god, just shit everywhere. That'd be funny. That's
like us pitching.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Or it's like, you know, you look at the you know,
the screenwriting credits and it's like Brian and Zachi and
then whoever ended up finally doing this, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Oh, why did they have to get those extra writers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
It's like, well, this scene was always in our version,
but there was diarrhea everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
There was a lot of diarrhea.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, yeah, so we still got credited.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
They went in a different direction, which you know, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Yeah, someone got paid twenty thousand dollars just to take
out the diarrhea.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
See that right there? Man, jump off. You got to
jump off of that because there's a rampaging dinosaur coming
after you. I don't know, there's a bunch of bad options.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Have you ever gone cliff diving? Do you think I've
ever done cliff diving?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
I kind of knew it as I was asking, Yeah,
but you know me, I haven't either. I'm not a
I am a competent swimmer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I am a feat on the ground person.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm I'm not a skillful swimmer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
I would say so, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I would only do this if a dinosaur was chasing
me off a cliffs edge, like you've gone skydiving.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Right No? Oh no, oh you have not? Oh Sean
has Sean? Yeah, that's a no for me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Same same. I mean, I don't know. I mean I
I if you know, friends wanted to go, I wouldn't
think they were, you know, being reckless. You do what
you want to do. But to me, it's like a
human being has to pack that thingy and like even
I don't care how skilled they are, like there's still
a human being and like just leaving a piece of

(01:05:33):
cloth packed in a certain way, you know, that's that's
life and death.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I agree. Well, I I've said this before. If if
the plane is going to land anyway, I will wait
and and just get on the ground that way. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Yeah, No, I think you know, in bungee jumping, I no,
I feel like bungee jumping would be harder because you
can see the ground and you have to choose to
leap off the ground. I think I would have almost
a harder time doing that, Like my body would resist it, right, like, no,

(01:06:09):
don't do that, you're silly goose.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Okay, So this, by the way, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I would say the CG I think is pretty good
in this movie there's like just a couple of moments
where you're like, oh, I don't know what it is.
I don't know what magic ingredient in the past ten
years they've come up with. Where it gets a little better.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
There's a couple times wh I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Oh, that looks like okay, but like I would say,
buy and large, pretty darn good. But this is really
great where we get our animatronic actually there on set dinosaur,
which is yeah, this is a nice moment. I will
admit last night watching this, I was sort of like,
aren't you like looking for those kids, like let's go,
you know, like right, but we do get a nice

(01:06:56):
moment where dinosaurs are monsters in this movie, yeah, essentially,
But here we get a moment where it's like, well,
they're they're kind of they're animals.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, well, this is important for Claire to realize.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
Exactly, right, they're not assets. She keeps on them, ask.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Exactly, they're not just an abstract thing. The other thing.
I mean, this reminds me a little bit of the
scene with the sick trice eratops and the first.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Exactly yeah, we get to actually kind of a you know,
I was gonna say human you know, but you relate
to it as a living creature exactly. You're both living
creatures and this thing is suffering and dying and said,
and I think the animatronic is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
It's amazing, Yeah, very effective. Yeah. Yeah, it's a shame,
you know, as stan Winston, you know, in the early
earliest stages of development of this project, you know, had
planned to be involved, but obviously he passed away. And
I think, regardless of how effective and impressive the designs
are here, you know, you miss his pre Yeah. And

(01:08:02):
yet it all it's all built on the work that
he did, you know, Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
I read somewhere in the trivia that they wanted a
starting point just to scan something to start building the
dinosaurs and the computers. And they literally, want to say,
it was like ILM or something. There was just like
a sculpture that they had just on display as something
cool to look at, and they're like, well, use that.

(01:08:27):
So they took that sculpture from like a past film,
no kidding, re scanned it and built it again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Amazing love it. But yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
And by the way, I when I say the CGI
thing and how your eyes you know, sometimes when you
watch something older like things catch. I think it's interesting.
I think what they keep getting better and better at
over the years is I don't know what word to use,
but like a sheene or something like, when you look
at really old things, it's missing a couple extra passes
where things look maybe less plastic y and a little

(01:09:00):
bit more you know, the light shimmers in a more
realistic way or whatever. And so in this one, I'd say,
it's like, still pretty damn good. But then it also
makes you realize, like, wow, they've even come further since,
you know, because now I look at most things and
don't even think about it. I'm like, yeah, that looks
like it's in the environment. Now, it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
The one thing you can say about all all six
of the Jurassic movies up to this point, I presume
the next one too, is that that all the dinosaur
effects are very effective. I think, so, yeah, you know,
I can't, off the top of my head think of
any moments that are just like ropey and like obviously fake. Yeah,

(01:09:41):
And I would think part of the reason for that
is this recognition that the standard that the nineteen ninety
three film set is still an effect. You know, like,
to this day, people are trying to measure up to
what the first JP did. I this remarkable anything. It's
a thirty plus year old movie.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
It's incredible how much that movie still holds up. I mean,
I think of I mean, obviously the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
This is hilarious. How's the navy not the Naboo? That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Oh yeah, because she's like, can you pick up on
the kids scent?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yeah, it's pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
That's a good line.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
I think honestly, the moments where they kind of let
Chris Pratt just Chris Pratt. Yes, that's when his character
comes to life a little bit. You know, you're kind
of reminding me. I think that's sort of how I felt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
I think I've gotten used to who he is now,
but like when we first saw it, yeah, I wanted
him to not be so stoic. Yeah, because it's like, well,
if you got a funny guy, let him be a
little funny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Exactly. Yeah. It's very funny right here too, where she
ties off the thing and he's like, what are you doing? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Right, I'll probably forget it later. But I was wondering, like,
what's that conversation you have with an actress, because as
the movie goes along, she gets a little bit sweatier
and her shirt opens up a little more and she
gets like a slit up her skirt, you know, and
she's becoming kind of sexier. And it reminds me of
I think the clumsier version of that is in Attack

(01:11:08):
of the Clones. We have Natalie Portman right in the
arena and then she basically gets like brushed by some
creature and the next thing you know, she's got.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Her shirt torn in her midri of showing and stuff.
And I'm like, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
I mean, that's just what happens in movies sometimes, But like,
what's that conversation with the actress because it's probably not written,
you know, like and now your skirt's got a bigger
tear in it, and it looks it looks amazing, you know,
Like do you just be like okay? So, like I'm thinking, like,
here we like do this. I was like, it just
seems like it'd be really weird.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
That's it. Well okay, so I well, I would say
in the in the case of this movie, they they
handle it better.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
It feels pretty much more natural.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
And she, I mean, she's not looking like red Sonia
at the end of the So you know, she looks
like she's been through a rough day, but it's still
you know, it's like within reason, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So this bit right here, tell me this isn't just
like Ray going through the Death Star too, you know, yes, yes,
this is very Here's the thing. Okay, people has complaining

(01:12:15):
about these franchises that use these member berries. You know,
oh remember this, remember that. Honestly, I'm all about a
scene like this where we are in the old visitor center.
It's completely story appropriate, and it gives a chance for
those of us who've been on this jurty the entire
time to be like, I know this place, I've been

(01:12:36):
in this place. I see no problem with it. I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
I mean I think, yeah, this is a great execution
of that yeah idea, right. I mean, sometimes they can
be a little clumsier, but this is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Feels natural in the story right now as they're wandering
through trying to get back, and it just happens to
be this place that we know every inch of, so
it's fun for us to watch them walk through it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I mean I love this here where where I mean
this is the cafeteria. And you know, I was just
watching this yesterday with my second Mikayle. He's like, so
did they rebuild the whole thing? I was like, well,
part of it at least. But I mean obviously he
recognizes it, you know, like they got they got it
close enough that it evokes all of those feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
I mean, just looking at this now is making me
wish they had put the first one back in theaters, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
I would have, you know, just I mean they're doing
that now, you know, just for like a week or so,
like I in anticipation of the new one. I would
have definitely gone.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
I got to see like about two years ago they
the SF Symphony. No, Yeah, didn't. Man, what an experience
that was. That's that's the perfect film too, I mean, yeah,
such an amazing score. That's it's really because because we
did that and then we the Empire strikes back. And
I always I tell the boys, I'm like, you have
to go see a movie that you know every note

(01:14:07):
of Yes, that's what makes it fun.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Yes, makes you really appreciate what you're witnessing. Yeah, yeah,
and you appreciate the little little ways it's different. So
that he reminds you, oh, this is a live orchestra
playing exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Yes, Like I've seen a couple movies like that Star
Wars one. I think I did see Jurassic Park, and
it's like sometimes you forget that they're playing until you
hear something that's slightly different and you go, what, oh, yep, yeah,
they're like doing this now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Actually, in this week at the
Hollywood Bowl in twenty twenty five, they're doing Jaws live.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Oh nice, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I mean Williams he's the perfect one to do these right,
And I know around Christmas time out here they do
Home alone because his movies tend to be so score
heavy and they're so iconic and they're fun to listen
to all the way through. I mean, he's I wonder
how much, speaking of you know, Spielberg in his theme park,
you know, revenue streams or whatever. I wonder for Williams

(01:15:08):
just licensing out his scores to play live everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
What that's like, Yeah, you know, only tangentially connected to this,
But but John Williams, you know, there was a in
the eighties, there was a Superman animated series. Is like
eighty eight and for the opening title music, they licensed
thirty seconds of John Williams's music. Wow. So it's literally

(01:15:32):
if you listen to the credit sequences, maybe a minute something,
and it's like it starts and it's Williams, Williams, Williams,
and then at like twenty nine seconds it transitions into
this other thing. Ohh they got like a loophole. It's
that they licensed the use of his music for thirty seconds.
Oh I see, I see, Okay, It's like exactly thirty

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seconds and then it kind of becomes something different. But
you know that'd be funny if it's like yeah, du
and then.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Like what we needed another like second and a half
and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
I panicked. I was with regards to to the the
new film Rebirth. You know, Alexander Desplat is doing the music.
I love him, Yeah, and it What was cool is
that I saw a little YouTube featurette about how, you know,
he has new music, but they have to incorporate the

(01:16:30):
the Williams themes, and so just hearing that made me like, okay, good,
good dude.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I'm like, it makes me want to cut it up
on Spotify as soon as we're done here. Yeah, right,
So curious what he'll do with a Jurassic Park movie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
He's so good. So the scene that we just saw
where Masrani gets on the helicopter and you know that
she's like, oh, we can't find your instructor. He's like,
we don't need him, you know, right, And and it
almost feels like a different character. Yes, yes, because I
don't get the sense that he's like an arrogant guy. Yes, yes,
to that point, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
Yeah, Yeah, he hadn't been sort of cocky and like
I'll do it. Yeah, person Like that seems like the
thing you would have seen earlier where someone's like working
on something on a computer, like, oh, I can't seem
to me, he's like, ah, scooted over, I can do anything,
you know, kind of characteristic.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Yeah, right, exactly. He hasn't been like that to this point. Yeah,
good point. Shoot. So there ends our visit to the
visitor center. Well this is the visitor center too, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Yeah, oh you know what we haven't talked about yet.
There was a really like popular theory around this time
that Owen Chris Pratt's characters was a grown up version
of the Little Boy. From the opening of Jurassic Park. Yes,
Alan Grant, I don't know, intimidates.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
That's right, you know what I mean. He's like, that's
not scary.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
It's like a big turkey, yeah, you know kid, And
I kind of like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
I I don't know why they didn't canonize that, because
I think I think it's great.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Maybe it's too you know, I don't know, cute or something,
but like I do love that. I love that Maybe
that set the kid on a path and now he's
become exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I think that's perfect that you start with him being like,
oh turkey, and then Alan Grant puts the fear of
God into this kid and makes the respect to them
m hm, and he ends up devoting his life to it.
I think that's great. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Yeah, and then maybe you even have a moment where
it's just like, you know, there was a moment when
I didn't have respect for them, Yeah, but then this
guy he pretended like claw was ripping my guts out
in front of a large group of adults who were
laughing at me, and I decided.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
I kissed myself in that very moment. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Or it's just like I went diarrhea everywhere, And then
cut to you know the notes me and they're like,
Brian Zachy, dammit, so vision, Yeah they have.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
You know when when Owen meets Grant in the third one,
you know he has oh Alan Grant and it's like
he's about to say it. He's about to say and
it's like I read your book or something like that.
I was like, well, god, damn it. Right, it was
very disappointing. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
It would be kind of funny actually is when the
dinosaurs coming into the garage and Chris, it would be
funny if he like just immediately cut the gas line.
She's like, what the hell are you doing? Let's go
like that's just if it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Very smarts no matter what. It's just like his first.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
That's his go to move in every situation. And it
just happened to make sense the first time we saw
him do it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
She's like, is it over here?

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Why are you doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
See where Mazarani are there? Did your general ever fly
into battle with you? Yeah, it's almost trying to set
you up to be like, oh, his own arrogance got
him killed. Yes, And I feel like that feels weird
to me because I almost feel like you could make
his death mean more by making it slightly more heroic.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
I don't know how, you know, Yeah, no, I I yeah,
if you remain like a Hammon figure, maybe a little
more tragic than him, Yeah, exactly, sort of being sacrificed
or sacrificing himself, Yeah, for the saiety of others by
something that he refused to see in his benevolence.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yeah. And to some extent, the movie's already getting there,
right because it's like he didn't know about the the
indominous and in terms of why in Jen was doing it,
and you have hoskins representing the the the malevolent face
in gen yes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Yes, wait, so I was like, am I seeing things?
So these pterodactyls or whatever they are, Yeah, some of
them have like a weird like t rex head, right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
I think it's a kind of because they're not all pterodactyls.
There's pterosaurs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Okay, So I was like, is that like some weird
sort of like Mars attacks where it's like the body,
you know, of a dog with the head of a
human like this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Just we're just getting really scratch leaves. So I'm not
an expert, but I think there was some flying dinosaurs
that looked like that. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:31):
I also don't love that the helicopter is able to
crash through that glass, because if this glass is supposed
to hold those things in with these razor sharp beaks,
it feels like it should be stronger than that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
That is a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Also, that's like one of the cooler shots in the
movie where the helicopters exploding. Yes, and yeah, yeah, and Dominans.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
Is just like wow, see that, Like it just looks
very like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
T rex head.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying. Now. I think
that's a type of flying dinosaur.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Yeah, I believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
See I gotta say, you know, don't I don't know
if this is a controversial opinion, but I'm glad the
dinosaurs are extinct. I know. I don't know if that's
going to piss people off, I know, but I just like,
I don't like any of this.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
No, I don't need you know what, I don't need.
I don't need this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Yeah, life is hard enough. I like this moment by
the way that they didn't have to include.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
But like the kid kids in the jeep and they
break through that gait and they just kind of like
smile and laugh about it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Like, whoa cool?

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Like it's like a very like realistic moment for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Like, yeah, yep, the older brother. Wasn't he in something too?
You know? I looked him up yesterday. I mean, look,
he's good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
He's good too. I mean he does play the good
sort of He's not like an a hole, but he's
just he's like, isn't that selfish teenage years?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Look? Look, I have a sixteen year old. I can
assure you he's very much in the in the vein
of what sixteen year olds are like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Yeah, yeah, like I think he's doing that well because
it's it's a tricky tightrope, you know, Yeah, between being
like a jerk and just being like, you know, like
a teen in your own union.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
He's not Wayane from the Wonder Years, you know. Yeah, yeah,
he doesn't call him Scrote or scrop See, I'm trying
to look him up. He's not in the Love Simon.
Wasn't he in that? I don't know? I think that's
his name? Oh, Nick Robinson, Okay, yes, Nick Robinson, that's right.
Let's see Jurassic World, everything, everything, Boardwalk, Empire, Kings of Summer,

(01:23:45):
those are the big ones are highlighting snackshack recently. Oh,
he's in History of the World Part two that Hulu.
Oh right, I remember that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Oh yep, love Simon, Love Simon.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
That's what I remember from Okay, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
He's in Kong Skull Island.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
I don't remember that that. I don't remember. Huh, Well
there you go. Well, okay, so here.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
I mean, this is like what we see is really
well executed, so good. Well, there's yeah, Jimmy Buffett, Jimmy
Buffett saving is margarita's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
That's a funny idea.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I remember that moment being called out even before I
think people realized that that was Jimmy Buffett, just like, oh,
there's that funny moment where the guy, you know, everyone's
under attack, but he's like saving his margaritas.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Yeah, but this is great.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
I mean this looks like Universal City Walk.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
That's what's so perfect about it. Seeing a Ben and
Jerry's and all that and then seeing dinosaurs attacking story.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Well, that's exactly it. I mean, we're getting something we've
never seen in a Jurassic movie before.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
Yep, yep, that's what I mean. Like, I can't believe
this wasn't even like the first, second, third, four wor
idea they had for a sequel.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Right, yeah, right, it's so.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Funny because I mean, if you were to ask me,
I actually don't really remember where the other ones go.
Like I remember the revealed that they cloned humans and
just you know what I mean, I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Like, yeah, So the next the next one, they essentially
close off Isla New Blar, right because the volcano erupts
and so the whole it's all destroyed, and so whatever
dinosaurs are left, they're taken to the state owned by
John Hammond's old partner, right, James Cromwell, and then they

(01:25:48):
end up being released into the world at the end.
Ah well, let's just talk about this, right, Okay. So
Katie McGrath as Zara, who is Claire's assistant up to
this point, I would say she's been standoffish.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Maybe she hasn't done anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Sure, at worst, she's been you know's she seemed like
she'd rather be somewhere else. Yes, yes, However, per the
sort of Rube Goldberg sequence that has her picked up
by one dinosaur, tossed down, picked up by another, that

(01:26:27):
one is swallowed by another. I mean, it is a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
She has a horrifying death that feels so over the
top that it uh can't help but make you think
how unfair it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
Is for her you Now, that being said, I agree
with that. However, I saw an interview with Katie McGrath
during the filming of this because it was largely her.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Oh actually, like not a stunt person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Not for the majority of it was her being yanked
up at the wires and she's like, how cool is
it that I get this great death scene?

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
It's so funny. Yeah, Like, if I was in a
Jurassic Park movie, of course, i'd want to be one
of the like swat guys who's like, you know, get
oh now and like but it's just I don't know.
He feels like there's usually rules to these things, you know,
where it's like like the lawyer in the first movie.
He's not a bad guy either, he's not a great guy,
but he's you didn't like hurt anybody, you know what

(01:27:22):
I mean, But like it makes a little more sense
that he's the one who'd get picked off over some
other people, but in this one, she's just I think
it's funny that enough people sensed that that it feels like, man,
what why did they pick on her like that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
That's the interesting thing. I can certainly because from Tomorrow's perspective,
he's like, look there, there's no you know, it's just
fair as fair it It can happen to anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Which actually is a great point, right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
He actually have.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Some quotes from him here that I thought were interested.
He said he wanted to make he wanted to make
that and this is his quote, the most spectacular death
we can possibly imagine. And he also he also wanted
to surprise moviegoers, stating, let's have someone die who just
doesn't deserve to die at all.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Sure, yeah, but maybe just make her slightly more of
a character. Then, yeah, that's true. I mean I don't know,
you know, like I don't disagree with that. I think
that she hasn't been enough of a presence to warrant
like this weirdly specific death scene, and that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Maybe it becomes weirdly specific, so then you start thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
It that's exactly it. Yeah, which, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
I do want to call out also, I mean, really
I want to keep complimenting Trevarro, but that that whole
frenzy that's happening on this sort of CityWalk esque boulevard there.
It's like captured really well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
It is it shot really.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
Well, it's cut really well. Like it's not this crazy
shaky cam trying to manufacture some sort of you know,
melee or tension or frenzy or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Like it's it's very.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
Confident and it is still terrifying in just the way
that the ominousness of having any things swooping down and
picking up people at random. And it's cut with a
lot of patience.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
It doesn't feel like it's got these great overhead shots.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Yeah, yeah, it feels very skillful.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
I mean this is first blockbuster. I think he did
a really really good job with this. I agree because
you can imagine the version where they just keep shaking
the camera around and they do a lot of cuts, right,
you know what I mean. And this is just a
very confident execution of this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Yeah, and effective. Well, I mean, I would say, you know,
because Jaya Bayona did the second one. I thought he
did a good job directing that one as well. He
brought a very distinct visual tone to it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
That's my memory of it. I feel like, yeah, more
people had problems with the story. Yeah, which again I
don't quite remember, but you know, I saw a thing.
I was looking at some reviews for the new one
this morning, and I don't remember which site it was,
but someone was saying, like, people just always show up
for these, and it's almost surprising that Hollywood hasn't been like,

(01:30:09):
let's make more dinosaur movies. And I was like, you know, yes,
I understand that argument, but also I don't know that
I would show up for all of them, like Jurassic
Park or Jurassic fill in the blank afterward. To me,
that's like the good housekeeping stamp.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Of a that's so funny, right, you know, you know,
you know what's funny is is that brings my mind
to the old toy lines that that Kenner made, you know,
to tie with the original film. And you know, obviously
the big angle was, hey, we got well, we gotta
have dinosaurs again. Steven Spielberg very heavily involved with with
the toy line. Right by the way, the Jurassic Park logo,

(01:30:48):
the Kenner folks came up with that as like as
a placeholder, and and Spielberg saw that, he was like,
let's use that for the movie. Interesting, and that funny
because Kenner was pitching for the toy line.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Okay, well, and it's tweaked from the original novel, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Well, the original novel the cover only shows the skeleton
of the t rex.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Right right, and they like took it and kind of
tweaked it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
They took that. They added the the you know, the
badge around it and the Jurassic Park the typeface that
was from Kenner.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
Which is yeah, I mean iconic. And I only mention
that because I know the guy who came up with
the visual for the book has felt a little slighted. Sure,
you know, like well, I mean, yeah, I know, you
put the thing around it and whatever, but like I
came up with that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Specific right, So well, I mean you know, what do
they say, success has many fathers? Yeah? Sure, But regardless,
they they knew that, well, a key plank of the
toy line is going to we got to have great dinosaurs,
right yeah. And the whole issue was like, well, everyone
and their cousin makes dinosaur toys. I mean you can
get them for a quarter at your dollar store. Yeah,

(01:31:56):
how do we make them distinctive? And what do they do?
They came up with the JP brand? Yeah, yeah, like
each each dinosaur had a JP stamp on it, and
it's just it's a dinosaur toy. We just got this
little deco on it. But that's the real one. Mm hmm.
That's the one I want, genius, right, It's pretty brilliant
and completely understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
I get it, you know, it's funny. I'm not a
big popcorn bucket guy. I don't know if people twenty
years from now are going to be listening to this,
but right now, feeders are finding ways to generate more
money by coming up with popcorn buckets that are designed
you know, they're themed after like whatever big movie's coming out.
So anyway, I saw the Jurassic World rebirth buckets. Oh interesting, okay,

(01:32:39):
And there was one and it looked like a weird
like sort of like incubated, looking like a dinosaur fetus
or something. I was like, gross, Like I wouldn't want
that thing. So I was thinking like, oh, I guess
you know, And then I saw the other one was
just a regular looking bucket that had the Jurassic Park
logo on it, the skeleton with the stamp and the whatever,

(01:33:01):
and I thought, yeah, that's kind of cool. I kind
of want that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
Like it's just how funny.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
It's been there for most of my life and seeing
it makes me think, oh, that's cool. You know, it's
a really effective, littly smart Yeah. So now, I mean
just story wise, right, like Dinafrio's saying, you know, what
choice do we have but to unleash the raptors because
we can use them as their soldiers. How else can

(01:33:27):
we battle this giant dinosaur?

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Right? Right? Come on?

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
How sweet is that in the back of the truck
where she's telling their brothers like, all right, just you know,
stay there and hold hands, right, you get hold for
a minute, the two brothers sitting side by side, and
then the little brother holds out his hand.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
So cute.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
So then you kind of get the story thing that
it seems like they'd wanted for decades, where it's like,
how do we get dinosaurs as soldiers? And this feels
like to me at least as far as you can
go before it starts to feel ridiculous, right, you know, no,
I think you're right, Yeah, so you do get to

(01:34:11):
see I think I was reading in one of the
really early versions they had some idea of like a
guy on a motorcycle with these raptors alongside him and
you get your moment here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Right, yeah, and that was on all the posters and stuff.
It's pretty cool, I think, so yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
funny because because I definitely remember people at the time
being like, oh that's so cheesy, sure a guy riding
the motorcycle along the raptors, And I'm like, I don't know, man,

(01:34:46):
like maybe allow room for joy in your life, like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
You know, I mean, look, I'm willing to believe I
might have been one of the people like we'll see
or something. But then it's just like it is funny
how much you get beaten down with sequels where it's
like sequel four you're like, this isn't very good, and
then by sequel seven you're like, you know, for it's
like not bad, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Right, oh yeah, I hear you, Yeah you adapt, you
get Yeah. I mean this is something we talk about
all the time, right, like how the longer these things
go on, the more you sort of leave room for
yourself to just be okay with stuff, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Yeah, yeah I said adapt, I meant acclimated. You just
get acclimated exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah. Yeah, but this is fun.

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
This is kind of fun to see like these raptors
unleashed sort of working for us. Yeah, sort of, you know,
sort of, But that that's the key thing, And I
think I think the movies are pains to reinforce this point,
which is that, yeah, you know, like we're we're just

(01:35:55):
a part of the food chain here.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Yeah. I think that's the dilemma, right, you can't anthropomorphize
these creatures too much. Like I think that's where the
second or third one one of them gets with with
the character the blue with Blue the raptor, where they
make they make her too.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Oh, I remember that, I think it with the third one,
I think I remember that. Yeah, isn't it there sort
of like your free girl kind of a moment where
you let's loose in the woods or something.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I think it's even like come with us or something.
I'm like, it is a velociraptor, right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
I can understand the impulse because then you can sell
some stuffed animals.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
But like, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
I think what makes these really fun is, well they
are dinosaurs and like they are scary, right, you don't
want to like make them cute.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
That looks so good, doesn't it? Them running through there
with the backlit by the truck. Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:36:58):
You know, I was reading somewhere that a lot of
the dinosaur stuff was created through motion capture, like human beings,
I guess specifically human beings playing the raptors.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Okay, oh interesting, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
The thinking was when a human was behind the movements,
you can sense more weight.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Oh interesting, that's really smart. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Yeah, hell see this is the stuff I like seeing,
like just this, like nighttime people in the jungle and whatever,
and then like dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Right, so well and and I think this moment coming
up here, this is the first time we really get
a oh shit moment from from Owen. This is great, yes, right, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Well because then yes, I mean, I don't know how
many things they had in the mixing bowl for this
adonymous adonamous rex, but they're like, oh yeah this that
whatever and velocity. Yeah, so the raptors who they thought
would be the humans thought would be helping them. Now
that Donovanetz is like, hey, I speak your language too,
can't you follow me?

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
See they should have had him like talking to each
other like in Jurassic Park three, you remember with the
mak of that noise.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, sorry, I immediately we say, Dassic Park
three and Alan no not that allan, Yeah, I not
think of yes, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually I'm
kind of surprised they didn't use that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Noise there you go shoot shooting shooting rockets at your raptors,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Yeah, that's another trick too, is where you got to
balance it where you know, they do kind of a
good job in this series of being like, yeah, they're
scary and they're chasing us, but they're just doing what
they're made to do. It's like kind of our fault
for reintroducing them into this sort of thing. So it's
like sometimes you can feel kind of bad for them,

(01:39:10):
and then other times you're okay when rockets are being
fired at them, right, because I remember, is it two
or three where we see the one get like fire
bombed and it's like, oh geez, it's kind of sad.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
Of these of the Jurassic World ones.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Yeah, right, isn't there one where it's like we see
them like nuking the island or something, and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
We well, it's not what in the second one, the
volcano like overtakes everything? Right, Oh, is that what it is?
That's what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Okay, Well, that's not our fault.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
That's nature. That's nature. Our hands are clean, except that
we brought them back when we shouldn't have. Yes, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
Nature is correcting our mistake.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
That's right. I haven't seen it since the theater. I
gotta see it again. I look. I mean, this is
the point that Malcolm makes the first one. Dinosaurs had
their chance and nature decided yep. So what's the arrogance
of humanity that says that we can reintroduce these these creatures?

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
And it's funny because it feels like there's a news
story every four or five years where they're like, yeah,
you know, we get like wooly mammoth, DNA or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Yeah, like we're going to try to recreate this. It's like, oh,
maybe don't. Right, Well, so that that's exactly it, right,
Like you get these stories like Dolly the Sheep or whatever,
and it's like, you know, you go back and forth
because on the one hand, it's like, oh, this is
in defiance of God's law kind of thing, right, And

(01:40:43):
I'm like, well, if we have the capacity to do
it and it is happening, you know, maybe it's not
in defiance of God's law because we wouldn't be able
to do it then, you know, but there is still
are do we have the wisdom to do these things

(01:41:03):
ethically and responsibly? And that I don't know because generally speaking,
it's been my experience when it comes to human beings,
we're not usually wise or ethical, right right the text,
so there is that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
Yeah, and then I mean they even riff on that
in here right where it's sort of like Sprite Presents
and Dominus Rex like it's all going to be you know, corporatized.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
And I think it's like Verizon Wireless. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
I kind of love the idea. Like if I was
one of these guys soldiers and if I was like injured,
then instead of being like actually helpful and being like,
hey you got to run, hurry, go, go go like that,
I would do something like out of a horror movie
and just put my bloody paw and then just to
scare the person first, like no, go go. You know,

(01:41:57):
it's kind of a funny. This, This is really effect.
This reminds me of a combination of things, kind of
like et when they're in the back of the truck,
and then that like oh sure, scientists is crawling up
and there's something kind of cool and palpable about that.
But then yeah, I got the kids in the back
of the truck here, and you've got a vlociraptors coming
after them and throwing things out of the truck to

(01:42:19):
slow them down.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
This a good sequence. See. You know the thought I
have is that that echo of et it like when
you say it, I'm like, oh yeah, But like, is
that something trevorro even necessarily thought of?

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
You know, I wondered that when the Moses Soor is
fed a shark, if the thinking was like just a
playful little thing with Spielberg and like, yeah, you know
that was the scary thing in nineteen seventy five, and
now this giant monster is eating the shark, and I
mean I thought it, but I wondered if is that
intentional or is it right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
But yeah, this is a I keep saying it. But
this is the thing I love. Like, I want to
see not just dinosaurs man versus dinosaur in the jungle.
I want to see us using the things that we
have from exact civilization, like an ambulance and whatever junk
is in the back of an ambulance against dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Fun for me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
That's that's what makes these movies interesting is when we
when we have that juxtaposition.

Speaker 3 (01:43:23):
Exactly, we brought them into our reality. It's not like
we went back in time and we're in like prehistoric
times on their turf, like they're in our weird modern turf.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well and I like that that, you know,
kind of what you alluded to, right, I mean, the
threat of what happens when the Indominus makes it to
the park has been sort of hanging over it ever
since he escaped, and now that's what we're headed towards. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Yeah, So wait, what's the business happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
So Hoskins wants doctor to take a powder so that
they can save whatever the embryos are and things that
they've that they've created.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
For their military experiments, right, that's right. Yeah, And Wu
was like not happy about his stuff being confiscated?

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Is that what it is? Yeah? I think because he's
he was under the impression that they would get to
keep working icy I see. But but Hoskins is like, well,
by tomorrow, like there's gonna be a lawsuit, you know,
comping every into this. So it's all gonna be gone,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Yeah, this is one of the moments I remember from this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
It is pretty funny. Yeah, which I read.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
I was trying to look for the character's name, but
I'm just gonna call.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Him Jake Lowry Lowry.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Yeah, And Lauren lapkis here. You know, he's gonna stay
behind and do what he can. And she's like, all right, well,
you know, good luck, and you think it's gonna be
this big moment where they kiss, and she's like, who whoa,
I got a boyfriend, which was apparently an improvisation on
her part.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Really yeah, so originally they were supposed to kiss.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
I don't know, that's a good question. But they're both
you know, comedians usually typically doing comedy stuff, so right right,
makes sense they would go there subvert it. You know
we haven't talked about. Is a Giacchino?

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:30):
Really score here, which you know I read this in
some of the trivia, but apparently one of his earlier
gigs was doing score for video games, including the Lost
World video game.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Oh how funny.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Yeah, and I guess somewhere in here he took some
of the music from that video game and incorporated it
into the movie, which is like, I mean, come on,
how cool and full circle?

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Is that? How fascinating? Yeah, there is a moment. It's
it's towards the end when when Blue runs towards the
indominance to Attacker, where we hear this music that sounds
like the music from the Lost World. I don't know
if that's you know, that's what Giaquino added there, you know,

(01:46:17):
but it's it was noticeable to me where it's like, oh,
that's the Lost World, Like I know that score very well. Yeah, wow,
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
I mean when they really did their homework, and it's
like they could have just been like I'll take this
theme that you know, and then I'll just kind of
do my thing and we'll call it a day. But
it's like studying the scores of the series and incorporating
all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
Yeah. I remember when we when we watched the SF
Symphony performance, you know, during the intermission when when the
when they were ramping back up to the movie, they
played it's the music from the Lost World where Malcolm
and Julie and more are driving into the you know

(01:47:02):
that San Diego Jurassic Park exhibit, you know I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and like you hear the the JP theme mm hmm,
but I'm like, I know that's not Jurassic part that's
Lost World. That's I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
I think you wonder what the thinking is. Why did
they just choose that. Yeah, someone has a decision. It's
a and it works as a good segue back into
the that's great man did not for you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Such a weasel in this, Like I know he like
that's that's sort of like, first of all, the way
he dies, that's like Darwin Award in action. Yeah, hey,
just stick your hand right in front of them gaping
maw of this predator. What could go wrong?

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
But I love it, like the cockiness of it, like trying, well,
I can do what Owen does. Yeah, you know, like
I'll do the thing I saw. I understand these things
holding out his hand, but that's the first thing to go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
It's like every movie has to have that one fatality
the the it's aout damn time fatality. Yeah right, and
this is definitely that. It's like, you know Ludlow in
the Lost World, you know Hammond's nephew who oh yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. At the end of the movie, remember he's
trying to capture the baby Rex and they're like, oh,

(01:48:18):
there you go. That's the it's about damn time. Yeah,
you know, it's always very effective.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
You could show like a really gory death, you know.
I know people are always like, oh, make it r rated,
everybody will love it, but there's something very effective about
someone about to be killed in a certain sort of
way and then cutting away and seeing like blood splatter.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
I agree, yeah, well this is the thing. I mean,
Jurassic Park, the first film, when it came out, if
you recalled, there was a lot of conversation about it
being too intense for kids and stuff. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
Spielberg himself talked about it, saying that he wouldn't let
some of his kids watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:57):
Yeah, And obviously, depending on the a, JO would agree
with that, although again I was six, so you know
that might make me a bad parent. But my point is,
like the gore in that movie, the the only gore
I can think of is when when ray Arnold's arm
is on Ellie. Right, Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, Like,

(01:49:18):
like we see Gennaro get eaten, but that's not particularly gory.
It's kind of shocking, but other than that, not really
like nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Wait, By the way, did you know when Gennaro gets
eaten the digital body model that they're using that's like
being swung about in his mouth is Robert Patrick from
Terminator to Wow, Like ILM had a scan of his
body and they needed like a man's body in the
you know, the t rex' mouth, and then you only

(01:49:46):
see half of it, so they used Robert Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Yeah, I just read that recently, but no, Yeah, it
feels like a good gateway for like when you' younger
kids are ready for something a little more intense and
fun that you think they'll enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Curassic Park feels like a good gateway movie to me,
Like like Jurassic Park was what like two years after
T two. Yeah, And you and I have talked often
about how T two is a few cuts shy of
a PG thirteen. It's it's on the the tamer end

(01:50:28):
of an R rating. Yeah, you know, you know what
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
It's very violent, but it's not gleeful in its violence
T two. Yeah, and I think that is kind of
a secret to it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
I I agree, well, and probably the cussing is what
got it more to the R than anything. That's a
good point. Yeah, yeah, just Sarah Connor alone in that
one scene in the beginning. Yeah right, you can see
the rating ding ding ding ding ding ding. Just hearing that.
I know what happens. It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
I just saw someone post something the other day where
it was just sort of like, well, just showed you know,
my ten year old T two, Like I've been waiting
for this day. I was ten, now my son's ten.
It's like a write a passage. I was like, yeah,
I don't know how to explain it. And each kid
is different. I mean, obviously parents have to take that
into account, but like I saw it when I was eleven,
it's just kind of something about it hits at that age.

(01:51:21):
It's like just right, I agree. I took comes top
when he was ten. Yeah, about ten, ten eleven, I remember, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
This sequence is fantastic. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
I remember this from the We reviewed this right on
our show when it first came out, and I remember
praising this sequence. I mean, this is just a really
great like location. You know you have because again you're
on the city walk esque sort of area. You've got
this like Habachi grill or whatever it is over there,
and it's just like getting to throw dinosaurs into there

(01:51:55):
and seeing big flames, and.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
You know, there's something so eerie about an empty amusement park.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Yes, yes, I agree, And again Hartbeay goes to the
thing that I'm saying, like, I love seeing something we're
all familiar with, but twist it a little bit and
make it a little creepier, right, Like I can relate
to the idea of a theme park, but like what
if it was at night and it was empty and
there's a dinosaur there? Yep, that's just so delightful to

(01:52:22):
like ten year old Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Serious dud, be a man and do something with your life.
He's like, why do you have to make it personal?
I know this poor guy man, he stayed behind.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
He's getting it from all sides though, Like you know,
the crush he has turning him down.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
This woman, Like, you know what I would have liked
to see. I would have liked to see the hotel
get overrun by the dinosaurs.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
Oh, like a lobby and with their luggage thinking they're
gonna get out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
But yeah, exactly. Oh that's a great idea, is right.
That would have scared the crap out of me. That's
a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
I like that, so we should probably talk about this.
I mean this, people made a big deal out of this.
Bryce dellis, this is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
The most unbelievable part of the movie. Is Bryce Hound
or Howard running at a full sprint with those stilettos.

Speaker 3 (01:53:07):
And I mean, I remember this was like wild widely
criticized and talked about when it came out, and apparently
it was her idea. Yeah, and I'm sure it was
her sort of owning like, well, this is who she
was sort of at the beginning, but now she's doing
badass things and still you know who she is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:27):
Look, I'm now granted I've never worn heels like that,
but that's just extremely dangerous. You're gonna break your leg
running like that in those heels.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know, Like you can imagine,
like there's a version where you're like throw the shackles
off and like right, yeah, Like but she was like, no, no,
maybe it's more empowering if I don't but I just
own it, like be a badass in the heels or something.
But it was enough that it distracted. It became a
conversation point with the movie that it just it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Is distracting because you're on that close up if you
see her running barefoot. No, but he would have.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
Said anything, I mean, I agree, yeah right, yeah. And
then I think when they did the sequel, Chavarro even
put out some sort of hashtag himself that said like
no heels in twenty eighteen or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Yeah, that's see that gets to something basic, right, Like
like the movie tells us, oh, we cloned this DNA
and this that and the other thing, and here's a dinosaur.
We're like, okay, right, but you see Bryce Howard running
at a full sprint in those heels, and we're like, well,
I know physics right right, and I know how the

(01:54:34):
human body works, and that seems unbelievable to me. Right,
It's it's funny how that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
Works, right, right, or just simply not the wisest decision making. Yeah, yeah,
oh this is this is really good. I just I
don't know, I feel like I'm so used to like
being frustrated with sequences like this, where I'm like, I
wish they would just you know, be brave enough to
hold the cameras still so we can kind of see

(01:54:59):
what's happening and be rolled by what's happening.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Right here by the way we hear this music that
is like right out of the Lost World and it's
dum dum du, which is like that's when Malcolm is
on the island.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
And I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, but
I just feel like this is this is captured in
a way that delights myself.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Oh it's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
I think it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
Well, I think what I mean. Look the way it's
it's framed as a tracking shot.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Yes, going in and out of the gift shop as
this chaos is happening outside, and some of the damage
from the chaos is getting thrown at them, but they
are ducking and dodging it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Yeah, it's great. By the way, we mentioned that Henry
Wu is the only legacy character in this film, which
is not true because Rexy Yeah is of course the
very same t Rex from from the first JP and
she is a beloved legacy character because she makes it
all the way to the end of this trilogy. How

(01:55:59):
does it with her? I don't remember, Well, she's she's
still alive, because I think people would get pissed off
if she did.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That Moses Sare is living
good these days, just needing all sorts of characters from
this movie, including the Big Dad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Yeah, I like this. This is great.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
Like the t Rex in the in Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
They have an understanding yep, yep. It's like the body
language on them. I mean, obviously they're not speaking. It's
just so good. See. I think I think Blue should
have stuck with the t Rex have been like the sidekick.
What do we do? What are we gonna do to
that Rocky? What are we gonna do? Yeah? I love Rocky? Yeah,
shut up you Yeah, always annoyed with Blue.

Speaker 3 (01:56:47):
Yeah, you're right about the I'm gonna try not to
stumble over this word anthropomorphized.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
You know, you could go too far with it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:55):
Yeah, but and you do get like a little look
of recognition from Blue with right, But it's just enough
to be believable as a creature versus sort of like
a nod, you know, like its odds and like salutes
or something like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
I always say, like like, it's not Caesar, you know
what I mean, it's yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
Jake Johnson silent hero here they saved the day. Lowry,
no one, no one congratulating him.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
That's okay. He's walking over to the set of the Mummy.
Oh yeah, holy crap.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
Wow, man, I remember next to nothing about that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
I remember him being in it and me being like,
why is this character in this movie? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
I wonder if it would be that bad now if
I was watching it with less scrutiny and just as
something to enjoy for, you know, an hour and fifty minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
Well, I'm just gonna put this out here right now,
put it on WAX. I think in a couple of
years you and I should reconvene and do a little
one of these for that. I would like it. I
would like it. We're coming up on ten years right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
It's a sweet parents, are you now?

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
I wish Judy Greer would hug me. That's hilarious, you
know what.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
I want that for you. I'll see what I can do.
I'll reach out through cameo and.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
That's so fun, you know what.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
By the way, I remember this shot from the first
time I watched it. I love this silhouetted show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Oh yeah, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Man of Owen and Claire coming together. I don't know, man,
I'm just surprised we haven't seen more from Trevarro. He
really seems to have the goods.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
I mean, it really like people just lined up to
take a whack at him, and then then it's like
a brother couldn't catch a break. I don't know, I
don't know. I don't know, although, you know, maybe it
comes down to the fact that what make If you
remember Jurassic World, Dominion was the very first blockbuster that
got back in gear post pandemic or like during the pandemic. Yeah,

(01:59:20):
and I would imagine that that entire experience, for however
successful the movie turned out to be, was soul crushing,
you know, probably right. I mean it drove Tom Cruise
to like go ape shit on a bunch of people,
right like this. Yeah, yeah, Pandemic movie making was not fun.
So maybe dudes just like taking a breather for like
half a decade. Yeah, yeah, that would make sense. I

(01:59:44):
remember reading something similar from John Watts when he talked about,
you know, he made Spider Man No Way Home, and
he was supposed to go into he was supposed to
do Fantastic Four, right, and he was like, I just
I had nothing left after making Spider Man, you know, right, right, Yeah,
that's a good point. Rick Joff and Amanda Silver, speaking

(02:00:06):
of Caesar, they are the creators of the rebooted Planet
of the Ape series. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I had
the good fortune of connecting with them after the Rise
of the Planet of the Apes came out and I
got to me. They got me invited to the premiere
for Dawn. You know, that's so cool. Yeah, that was
a very very memorable experience for me. Yeah. Wow. So

(02:00:27):
Jurassic World ten years later, where does this one sit
for you? I you know, better than I remember it, Like,
I think it's I would agree with that now.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
I mean, look, nothing's going to touch the first one.
That's just the way it is, right, Yeah, And so
if you're going to make more sequels, I think this
is like one of the better ones you could do.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah money uh no, just to add to that,
it comes down to having a compelling hook, which in
this case act what if the park is active? That
gives you so many story possibilities.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
That's all I was going to say. I mean, perfect premise, like, Okay,
well we've dealt with we can't open the park like, well,
let's say they did, and then we get to see
what would happen if things went amok?

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Then yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, And when you look at
the ultimate testament of what this film accomplished. Look, I
mean this was three billion dollar films. Mm hmm. And
one thing that's become increasingly clear in the post pandemic
age is a billion dollars is by no means a given. Yeah,
So that says something about what these movies were able

(02:01:37):
to accomplish. And I think the success of the latter
two films rests on this one laying out characters, and
I think the point that we've been making throughout is like,
you know, Claire and Owen are sort of ciphers, you
know when you when you look at the sweep of
the trilogy, but they were compelling enough in this film

(02:02:01):
that people didn't mind seeing them again. Yeah yeah, And
you know that's okay too.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
I think you had great notes, especially about Owen. Yeah,
how you could improve him in this movie. But I
still feel like they're both like good enough, Like they
do the trick in this film.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
So we just saw mister DNA credited to Colin Travarro
and now I don't remember seeing mister DNA in this film,
and no, I'm a little disappointed, and pay attention for that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
He's when they show the center with all the holograms,
and there's like kids looking at different sorts of displays.
The camera kind of sweeps around this glass display and
he's on it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
I see, I see, Okay, Yeah, and Brad Bird is
one of the announcers. We just saw him credit at also.
Oh really. Yeah. They spent fourteen years trying to get
the Fourth Jurassic going, and you know, I think given
how successful this turned out to be, you know, the
lesson is one that Hollywood fails to learn far too often,

(02:03:03):
which is, you know, sometimes you got to let your
roses grow.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
Right. I think ultimately it's hard to say whether the
seql ideas that had been mooted and the immediate aftermath
of the third one, if they would have been good
or not. I don't know, but I do know that
once they came up with the premise for this one,
they they put it into development, but they also they
delayed it by a full year in order to develop

(02:03:30):
the script.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Yeah, I read that, and that's just what you have
to do, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
You know, I was thinking as I was reading that, like,
I wonder if you get to do that because you're
Steven Spielberg.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
Yeah, like, we'll do.

Speaker 3 (02:03:41):
It when it's ready, and it's like, that's great. That's
a luxury, you know, and not everybody gets that luxury.
But I'm glad that they had it because yeah, I
probably got it to the billion dollar place it got
to well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:54):
And also, you know, there was gaps of three and
four years between the film homes and that's a good
thing too. Yep, yep. Right. We spend a lot of
time talking about how you know, sometimes you just got
to increase the scarcity. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, when
when it comes to Jurassic I don't want the streaming series,

(02:04:15):
I don't want the I don't want the eight different spinoffs.
Just every couple of years, give me one of these
and I'll be fine, you know, totally right. I think
I think in that sense, Universal sort of benefits from
the fact that you know that that Jurassic is just
one of their properties. Alwus do pretty well. I mean,
I mean this this is the same year as Furious seven.

(02:04:39):
Wasn't that this year? Wasn't it twenty fifteen? It was
twenty fifteen, yeah, right, And so you had Furious seven
make a billion you know, like a month before this
or two months before this, you know, and it's like
that kind of helps too, and not everything's relying on this. Yeah,
that's a good point. Yeah, you know, but yeah, I

(02:05:02):
mean the nice thing. Hey, you know, you said you
haven't watched the next one in a while, but I suspect,
you know, assuming this new one does well, we'll probably
be back in a couple of years to talk through
the previous one. You know.

Speaker 3 (02:05:14):
I'm down, I'm down, I'm ready to go back. I'm
enjoying being in this world. Then I'm definitely looking forward
to seeing the new one.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
Yeah, I mean, I have to say I will probably
end up watching Fallen Kingdom tonight, just because I watched
this yesterday with my kids and we're kind of in
the ramp up now to the new one. So nice
seems as good a time as any, you know, I think.

Speaker 1 (02:05:31):
So.

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
Yeah. Well, hey, but let us know your thoughts. Everybody
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we're big boys. We can take it. You can email

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We'd be very grateful and there you go. And if
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About You, Brian.

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
Episodes I've written of Young Jedi adventures are available to
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Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
There you go with that on behalf of my partner
Brian Hold. My name is Zachie Hassan. This has been
our movie film commentary track for Jurassic World. We will
catch you next time. Thanks folks.