Commentary Track: The Karate Kid Part II

We're mere weeks away from a brand new KARATE KID sequel hitting theaters, so the MovieFilm boys decided to (crane) kick back and take in the franchise's FIRST sequel! Listen separately or watch along as we talk through 1986's THE KARATE KID PART II! There are plenty of behind-the-scenes stories, random anecdotes and bouts of laughter as we reminisce about the Ralph Macchio-Pat Morita smash, so won't you join us? 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome friends, Come podcasts. Podcast is done.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Show jackigin Ryan the talking dad by the back has
only read.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
He is quicker, he is stronger. Miyagi taught him well.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Secret of Maaggi family practice. You're wire.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
Miyagi discovered the man within the boy. Now Daniel must
discover the man within himself.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Here.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
No more tournaments, no more cheering crowns. This time the
combat is real. Karate Kid Part two.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is
Zaki Son. I'm here with Brian Hall.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hey, how's it going, Zaki? Brian?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know one thing I want to say before we
start this commentary is that I am a man who
will fight for your honor. I'll be the hero you've
been dreaming of.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, that means an awful lot.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I just thought you should know that.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Thanks man, Thank you. I would fight to the death
in an ancient castle over your honor any day.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
There you go, But we need we need some Peter
Setara music playing in the background.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, exactly, the full effect.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
The Peter Sirtara song The Glory of Love is, of
course the theme tune for the Karate Kid Part two.
I would offer a weirdly inappropriate theme too. I don't
know that it works for this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
I will be honest. I don't know that I've ever
thought about the lyrics. What is it about?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's what I just said. It's I am a man
who will fight for your honor. Yeah, I guess it
kind of works.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
But it's weird.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know it's weird. I don't know. It was nominated
for an oscar, wasn't It wasnmated for an oscar amazing
although fun fact, it was rejected by Sylvester Stallone for
inclusion in Rocky four, which is how it ended up
in this movie.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Right, and instead he used Hearts on fire. Hearts on Fire,
which feels I mean that it's a banger in that movie.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
So personally, I think that the Rocky Drago fight with
Glory of Love playing over it would have added a
whole different layer of meaning to that movie. Frankly, yeah,
I agree. I think it's a missed opportunity for the ages.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, if only we were on that timeline.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'd like to visit that timeline. But we're in this
timeline where the Karate Kid Part two exists as we
know it. This movie came out in nineteen eighty six,
and it was a remarkably successful film. One might say,
one might say Brian a blockbuster. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, this is one of the first movies I can
remember as a young person. I was looking forward to,
like a sequel to something that I knew, because I
had already seen Karate Kid, and there was like a
new one coming and I was kind of I was six,
I think when this came out, So I was like
new to movies and everything, and it was really exciting
to me that I was going to get to see
more adventures with characters I loved.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
So you saw this in the theater?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
I think I did. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I went
with my family. Karate Kid was like really big with
my family. There weren't a ton of movies we really shared,
Like my parents didn't show me Star Wars. That was
something I found on my own and that sort of thing.
But yeah, this was a series we all liked as
a family.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, there you go. So it's a series that you
will fight for its honor.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I may have to. I don't know what you thought
about this. I recently guested on The Midman Podcast with
Paul Shiri. I was stepping in for Sean Coyle, who
was out for the week, and I said, yeah, Zaki
and I are going to be doing a commentary for
the Karate Kid too, and he goes, oh, that movie
is and I went so good and at the same
time you went so bad, and I was like, wait,

(04:05):
wait what.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think I will land somewhere in between you and
say so silly.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know what. I Well, I hadn't seen it in
at least twenty years, so there was part of me
that was like, oh no, Like I have my nostalgic
memory of it, you know, but I haven't watched it
all the way through in decades. So I really did
enjoy that experience and I can't wait to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, it's certainly a part and parcel of the nostalgic
experience that is nineteen eighty cinema, and I would not
change one bit of that, I will say absolutely. So, hey,
you know, it seems like an appropriate moment to delve
back into the Karate Kid franchise with the new Karate
Kid Legends films about to hit theaters mere weeks from

(04:55):
when we record this, so you know, it had been
a minute since we since we actual the original I
think twenty nineteen. Wow, we our we did our track for.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
The Karate Kids.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's it's more than more than do that. We that
we look at the sequel.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, So with that in mind, we're gonna watch nineteen
eighty six, it's The Karate Kid Part two. If you
want to watch along with us, you are certainly welcome
to do that. If not, hey, we'll do our best
to keep our conversation lively enough that you don't regret
having hit play.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
So that's the aim. That is the aim.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
That's the that's the low bar that we are saying,
no regrets. So you cute up, Brian, and I'm ready
all right, So we'll do the usual thing. We'll hit
play on three. So one two three play right, one
two three play?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. So I mean, as I said, this is a
big movie for me in my childhood, but I do
have to admit, yeah, I in the years since, because
I think, you know what, I remember, our neighbor made
a bootleg of this for us. You know, he took
two VCRs and I think he knew we liked the movies,
and I remember him giving us this movie, and so

(06:10):
I watched it a lot. But as I got older.
It's the first one that I kept going back to,
and that would be on television and even during the pandemic,
that was one of the outdoor movie screenings in your
car things that I went to. It was Karate Kid won. Yeah,
so it been it's been a while. When was the
last time you watched part two?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Part two? It's been probably probably twenty years.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Okay, so about saying yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Like I when they released the trilogy on actually, no,
they released the quadrilogy on DVD.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Oh with the next Karate Kid.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
With the Next Karate Kid, and so you gotta have that. Yeah,
that's part of the cannon Son.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know, I've never seen that with Hillary Swank.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Hillary Swank. Oh, it's it's unbelievably awful. But I would
offer it's not a particularly steep drop from the third one,
which isn't exactly you know, it's not it's not brushing
up against the magnificent Amberson's Let's see.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's my memory of that, because I remember very clearly
seeing that with my family in the theater and when
it becomes you know, the villain. I I don't know
that I've seen it since maybe the eighties and I
remember it's like the villain as a ponytail, and there's
like talk of toxic waste, and I was like, I
remember it feeling not of a piece with the earlier
films and more like the eighties bad guy toxic waste,

(07:33):
you get it.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
The Dinatox Corporation.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So yeah, And and and that that actor who played
uh Terry Silver, who, by the way, you know that
they brought the character back, you know, in in in
Cobra Kai. Yeah, which I I give all the props
in the world to that show for really making you know,
this entire franchise feel like this big contiguous hole, this

(08:00):
you know, multiversal thing.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
You know, it's pretty I mean it feels like even
knowing that Chosen is in it. Yeah, and apparently he
and Daniel are allies. I was like, a, I can't
even picture it. Beat me. That sounds like a thing
you would hear and go oh no, that sounds terrible,
But that it works and that it's beloved. I can't
believe it's taking me so long to get.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
To it, that's right. But yeah, that actor Thomasy and
Griffith is is a year younger than Ralph Maccio.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Yeah, he's one of those cases right where he looks
like a teenager but he's really like twenty nine or something.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Machio, Yeah, Machio, Yeah, yeah, it's bananas. I mean, he's
very well preserved considering he's in his sixties now, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, I mean he still looks good. But in
these movies, he definitely he has like a teen quality
to him when he's.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
And I would say probably that worked against him insofar
as breaking out of this character.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah. Yeah, that's by the way, I just have to
call out. We're seeing sort of a previously on christ kid.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
This is this is the rocky you know thing where
they do the montage from the previous movie.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, and I just because it's so rad, I have
to call it the shot. So we're seeing the you know,
Cobra Kai kids and their skeleton outfits. It's all smoky
and foggy and they're beating up Daniel and Miyagi shows up,
and I mean it's just the look is iconic, you
know them as the skeletons. But there's that low angle
shot with the kid with his arm around Daniel's neck
as Miyaki is slowly climbing the fence and I was like, damn,

(09:33):
that is cinema. But I mean that seriously, Like I've
been watching these movies recently, like new movies, and I'm like, yeah,
the movies are fine, but there's no like Panash, you know, visually,
and like that shot and the fact that they chose
to show that we're seeing the Henchman kid instead of

(09:54):
Johnny shouting out the stuff. It's like this weird sort
of it gives you this feeling that's a little off.
And then you notice Miyagi creeping over the fence and
I was like, I love that shot, so I just
I had to give it some love. Well stated yeah,
but I mean this is just so rousing even it
was we're fast forwarding through the movie, you know, getting

(10:15):
back to the karate tournament, and you said it so
well in our Karate Kid one commentary where it's like,
this is just a little high school karate competition in
a gymnasium deep in the valley, and this movie makes
us feel like it's life and death. And now, as
a forty five year old man, I still watch this
feeling like the world is at stake.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, and see, so that's kind of because in the
movie that we're watching now, suddenly it is life or death. Yes,
and I'm a little bit like, I don't know about this.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I did have a moment. We'll get to that. I
did have a moment where I thought if Daniel could know,
you know, like if he was not a senior, like
if he wasn't graduating, and it's like he had to
come back and talk about his summer vacation. It's like, well,
you know, I met this girl in Japan and this
guy tried to kill me in a castle, and I
could have killed him, but I decided to let him live.
You know.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Anyway, what did you do?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah? What you do? I saw Epcot Center by the way. Okay,
and so now we're post the final scene of the
first movie, and I just want to call it this
specific shot. I was like, so we're seeing Miyagi waiting
for Daniel while he's showering, and those kids in the
background are legit naked, which I thought was a choice.

(11:30):
Like you're like, hey, you want to be an extra
in the Karate Kids sequel those PG rated family movies. Heck,
yeah I do. And they're like, okay, take your pants off.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Literally, I was like they couldn't just put it above
the waist. It just feels like a you know, just
nudge it up two inches.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's like, that's that's really fun. I didn't even notice
until you called it out. That's really fun.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
That was a choice.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
So this opening scene here, now many people think it
is a like it was shot for the first movie
and deleted, right. That is not in fact the case.
It was script did for the first movie, right, But
they shot it for this one. And I feel like
the giveaway is that there's no Elizabeth's shoe in this scene.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Great point because I had kind of bought into that
that urban legend too, and that makes total sense. We're
in his mother of course.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, exactly, it's.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Great, and you can see wanting to have this scene
like Miyagi kind of gets his little button. Yeah, but
it's sort of like the The et Ending right, Like
it's incredible when it ends with the ship flying away
and the wind blowing Elliott's face and he's smiling there's
a rainbow in the sky, But there actually was. They
shot a scene that goes after that, and that's you know,

(12:40):
of course, you know, Spielberg was like no, no, no, no,
Like the story's done like that, it can only deflate
the incredible thing we've just set up. And uh so
I could see the decision and take.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
We have to call you from Arcida. I'm from Mercida.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yes. So we have these two little boys come up
to Daniel wanting his autograph and he's like, where you
from the Crosida and from seen from sudo? Like it's
just one of those lines. It just became like a.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
It's weird that I say that all the time, like randomly, Yeah,
isn't that funny?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Like I don't know why, but it just became one
of those lines for us.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
But what you were talking about, like John, John Apleton,
I think is really good at that because even with
the original Rocky, right, the the original ending for that
film was after the fight ends, the movie would have
ended with the whole the whole arena empties out and
just Rocky and Adrian walk out of the arena hand
in hand, and you know that shot of them walking

(13:30):
away back to the camera, that's actually one of the posters.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
But what he realized is the emotional him and still on. Obviously,
the emotional high point is when Adrian says, I love you,
so I love you too in the end, you know,
prease frame and so he had a same similar inclination
with Karate Kid. But I I think, I think this scene,
I'm glad it exists, and I'm glad it's part of
this movie because I think it's important, not only in

(13:57):
terms of tying up the Cobra Kai business, yeah, but
also obviously like the if you look at the Karate
Kid mythology, this scene ends up being very important when
we look at Cobra Kai the series and everything else.
But it also sets up, you know, obviously the end
of the movie with what Daniel does you know.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Dude, Oh yeah, absolutely, you know, I love I remember
as a kid, this blew my mind because I was
seeing more from the night, you know, the important night
from the movie that I already loved, and it was good,
Like this is really kind of intense stuff for at
least for me when it was younger, you know, like
seeing this coach bully a kid who just lost for him,

(14:39):
you know, and then just seeing also what Miyagi is
capable of. But he he he could really do some
damage on this guy, but he chooses not to because
he chooses to his nose, which is so perfect. But
seeing him punch through those car windows and having the
blood on his hands, I mean I remember that making
a huge impression on me as a kid. This was
like a really powerful scene.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, John Creaese is one of these great archetypal eighties
bad guys, you know, and Martin Cove. We just saw
Martin Cove a couple of weeks ago and we watched
a rambo yep. And I always found him frightening. I
think I said before you know, I saw him at
conventions and I'm sure he's a lovely man, but I
was always scared to talk to him because of because
John Creese was scary to me.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
He just yeah, that's the vibe he gives off. I mean,
I've said this story before on the podcast, but when
I worked at a production company, I sat at a
desk that was kind of near a restroom and one
day someone was like, Hey, can you tell me where
the restroom is? And I look up and it's Martin Cove.
I was like, holy crap. Like he because I haven't
seen him in a ton of things. I know him
mostly as Crease from Karate Kid, and it was like

(15:43):
the movie like last action hero, like he stepped out
of a movie screen and was suddenly in front of
my desk.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
It was you should have been like, the restroom does
not exist in this dojo, and then he just beats
the shit out of you. It was worth it because
you said that to John Creese exactly, and even having
like a black eye from Creese, like.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
You say that to him, you have it's a big smile.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
We cut to you like with like a band age
around your head and a black eye and broken teeth
as you tell that story to somebody.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
And then I.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Told I love Daniel's suit. Here his dumb and dumber
suit thing he's going on.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I was wondering about this. I don't get the whole
blue ruffled shirt tuxedo thing because usually it's played kind
of for laughs, But when it existed, I was a
little too young to kind of know it's place in
fashion history. So I you know what I'm saying, Like,
I get that it's kind of a joke, but I
guess in this movie in eighty six, I'm like, is

(16:47):
this a joke or is this a remnant of something?

Speaker 2 (16:50):
I just assumed that's how people dressed back then.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Exactly. You know, but then it seems to get played
for laughs in certain things a little later on too, so.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's yeah, not that much longer later by the you know. Yeah,
but I love how the first movie really invests us
in his relationship with Ali yes and young love and
just the heartbreak, and then this movie within three minutes
like what a bitch?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I literally yeah, it's very uh indelicate the way that
they I mean literally it's like for for all intents
and purposes, first scene of this news story and literally
it's like his car is like completely damaged and the
bumpers hanging off, and he's like, so, you know that
girl that I spent the whole movie pining over and

(17:35):
that the audiences love, well, she crashed my car, she
cheated on me, she killed my mom, you know. And
you're like and I was like, like, the movie goes hard, right,
like I remember her, forget her, we hate her now? Yeah,
and you should too. Moving on.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, apparently that they wanted her in this movie in
some capacity, but she went off to Harvard or something.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Okay, I've heard that story about her going to school,
and I also heard a story from Ralph Machio in
an interview that Apparently he was at a World Series
game in the eighties or something, and Elizabeth Shoe approached
him and was like, so, what's up, Like why wasn't
I in the sequel? You know, like did something happen?
Like what's going on? Like she was kind of hurt

(18:25):
about it.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
And and I guess he was like, I don't know,
like I'm not a decision maker on these things. I
really don't know why that was. And I'm sorry. So
I think things were actually a little, it seems, even
from her interviews with her, a little awkward. And so
it was nice for her when she got to return
on Cobra Kai.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I'm glad they did that, and it was it was
a great little storyline for her.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, it sounds like they did some damage control with
her character. And you know what I mean, Like, well,
when I say damage control, I mean from the writers
of this movie. Yeah, they did, because they were like, Okay,
well that's Daniel's point of view, but here's her point
of view of what happened, and which I think is
a nice way to go about. See.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
You see, I'm like envious of you because you have
not yet watched the majority of Cobra Kai. Yep, and
you have just a lot of fun TV waiting for you.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I can't believe I haven't because I love this these
movies so much. So yeah, maybe that'll be soon.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Well it it really that's the fun of watching this
movie to me is that I can I can take
in all of its sort of eccentricities and and things
that you know, the eye rollly bits and be like,
but you know, it's part of that great tapestry, you know,
and it's and it's these are the threads that make
that make the sweater that that we see in Cobra Kai.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
You know, mm hmm. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It is funny too watching Daniel literally like the night
after prom and he's like, hey, cool, hey here's a hammer.
It's funny just as like even if viewer the movie,
I was feeling like I'd be so exhausted if someone
did that to me. But it's the sweet reveal that
he's building a guest house for Daniel.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Yeah yeah, well and this is the thing, right, I
said this during our uh Karate Kid Part one commentary track,
like you really like you watch it and you just
say we would all hope to have a friend like
mister Miyagi.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah. Yeah, and it also feels, you know, I was
realizing this feels this story is kind of a Back
to the Future three sort of story. Had thought, right, totally, yeah,
where we're getting Daniel's like the guest star in this.
This is really the Miyagi story. Yeah, yeah, this is
the mentor's story. And uh, and it's well, I mean,

(20:44):
we'll debate how we've yeah, how it ranks or whatever,
but like I I enjoy, I certainly enjoy the performers,
and I enjoy seeing the characters, and I like the
business that they give them. The execution we can debate,
but I also thought, well, isn't that it made me
think of Back to the Future three? But I also thought,
what an interesting time because Back to the Future probably

(21:05):
came out while they were shooting this movie. And you
just don't like having this young teenage kid and like
a much older mentor. It's just not a dynamic you
see much anymore. And maybe it might even be thought
of too like cynically these days, or like, well, what's
the story with that? That doesn't make any sense?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Or like is he such a good point?

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Right? Like is he a creeper and it's like, no, no,
it's it's just not like that. Like it's just I
love that Doc and Marty and Daniel and mister Miyagi
are these really compelling and believable duos, you know, like
I really buy the genuine affection and respect that Daniel
and Miagi share and it's it's beautiful. Honestly, I really

(21:47):
enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, there was you know, there was a TV show
you maybe remember it. It was called My Secret Identity.
You ever heard of that? No, it's starred Jerry O'Connell. Okay,
and this back when you this is like post stand
by Me, but he was, you know, post dork phase.
But he played he plays this kid who has a
neighbor who's like a wacky scientist and he ends up

(22:12):
getting superpower stere O'Connell and that's the show. It's him
and the wacky scientist. And I was like that was
just a trope that you know it like growing up,
I was like, oh, the kid and the wacky scientist
neighbor between Back to the Future, My Secret Identity, it
just felt like a thing.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Right, And then you realize, I guess that's not as.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Much of a thing. This is a very specific thing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, And I mean it even seeps into like comedians
now sort of looking back, even though Back to the
Future is much beloved, but it's like, well, how were
they friends? Why were they friends? What was really going on?
It's like, I don't know, Like I never questioned it before,
and every time I watch it still to this day,
I believe it and like, wish I had a relationship
like that in my life. True, it's got a nice.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
I bet you do. You wish you had a relationship
like Sato in your life. This guy's complicated.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's complicated.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I'm gonna say he's bipolar honestly.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Well for some yeah, yeah, I mean for something that
he's held on to for I think forty years or something.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, I'm like, bro let it go, man.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, he has a very either Ebenezer Scrooge or you know,
kind of turn at the end. But I was gonna say,
it's interesting too that we get both the same director
and writer back for this sea. That's right, which is nice,
you know, I think sometimes for all three of these yeah,

(23:36):
Like sometimes I feel like you can sense a little
tonal shift when when it's in new hands and well, actually,
as I'm saying this out loud, maybe there's a tonal
shift in this movie too.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I would say so, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
There's just something that it retains that I like, and
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Interesting if sorry, if I can just I think what
that tonal shift points to is that I think they
realized we basically ran out a premise at the end
of the first movie, sure, at least in so far
as what we can have Daniel get up to, right,
and so it was kind of like, well, there was

(24:12):
nowhere else to go but mister Miyagi's backstory.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Right, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
And as a grown up now, I'm like, well that
is more interesting to me. Sure, all the Miyagi stuff
is pretty interesting anyway, Sorry, go on, No.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
It's true, because I mean you're right. I mean, what
like Daniel works at Hot Dog on a stick in
the summer and then there's like a bully you know,
in the food court once once you win the All Valley,
there's not you know. It's it's a good point, especially
when do that again, I guess, which they tried to do, Yeah,
to bearing results, you know. Yeah, No, I agree, it
does feel like, well I did read that there was

(24:47):
thoughts about maybe there's like the Crease revenge story which
they did, which you mean in the opening, and no,
they did it one movie later. Credit could oh yes,
see again. I I barely remember it. I do remember
when he's in his girlfriend are like repelling to like
get a tree, and they like cut his rope for.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, man, it's pretty like these kids got to relax
a little bit. They need a little Nintendo in their
life or something, because yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do
in any of that shit when I was that age,
because I was busy trying to defeat Super Mario three,
you know, cutting people's ropes and breaking their bond size
and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
It's true. But yes, I agree. I think it does
feel natural then, like, all right, well, let's study Miagi
in his story now, and we got little teases of
it in the first movie.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So yeah, And it's funny.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Because again, as a six year old, I didn't find
this movie boring. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Right, That's that's interesting. That's a good point because this
is measurably slower than the first one far it is
action packed than the first one, and yet my recollection
is that it was fairly well liked when it came
out by the kid audience.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
You know. I yeah, well, because then there were action
figures to follow, which I had the video game, which
I remember playing. I remember playing the Typhoon level on
the Nintendo game. And then there was an animated series.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, well that was like eighty nine. That was after
the third movie. But I remember the video game. I
don't remember. I think it was the ANS one where
it had or no, it would have been the computer game.
There was like a thing where you would have Daniel
break the ice.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was in the Nintendo
one too.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay, it was a Nintendo One, and.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
That was like the coolest thing when I was a kid.
I mean that was scene. And I gotta say that
scene I think still holds up to me. It's not
just being a fun Oh I remember this, This is fun,
but like it just the way it's constructed.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
No, No, I think it's one of the best things
in the movie.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, yeah, I really agree. But yeah, I was a
little surprised. I mean, I knew this one didn't linger
like the last one, but it it has a forty
five percent rotten Tomatoes score. Really it's a little lower
than I expected. I wouldn't be surprised for like sixty
five or something, but in part one had an eighty
nine percent.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
But are those reviews contemporaneous or are they retrospective?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
It could be a combination.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, So that's what I'd be curious about, like, like,
is this movie viewed? Was this viewed worse at the time,
or is it viewed better now?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
You know? It's Oh, that's interesting because I did watch
it as always. I watched the Cisco neibit review and
they were if my memory serves, Ebert was pretty high
on the first one and Cisco was just high enough
to give it a thumbs up, but it had thoughts.
And on the second one, they were both were a
little let down but still gave it thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Oh, they both give it thumbs up.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
That's my memory, I think it was. But they were like,
they had a lot of nitpicks. Most of their talk
was nitpicks. But they were like, but these two are
so compelling that it's you know. And then I also
looked up the Cinema score was an an, which is
pretty phenomenal. So that's that's where audiences were.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
At that's interesting. So it tells you that audience has
had a lot more patience, like you know what I mean,
Like for a relatively slow movie with a few key
action highlights, it's not like people were bored out of
their gorge. It's like, maybe give people credit, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Know, but isn't that sometimes the case when you watch
these older films, even ones that we knew and loved
as kids, and then you're like, oh, wow, this I
didn't realize that the guy doesn't become the superhero till
like forty five minutes into the movie, you know, or
we don't see Batman, you know. I mean we do,
I guess in the opening scene. But it's like that
eighty nine Batman is a lot more patient then you

(28:36):
would think that a movie might be.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
It has one city block that we chase round and round,
and god damn it, that's we were happy to get it.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, we stood up and cheered. But but yeah, so,
I mean, I think you've kind of alluded to this.
Well I do. By the way, I do like this
the you know, he's got the Okinawa book and he's
learning all about it. Anyway, this does feel much more like, well,
the first one feels like an eighties movie, but this

(29:08):
one kind of almost reminds me of like an eighties
TV show plot.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah right, there's like a bad guy and he owns
the town and he's a bully, and you know it,
people's behaviors and the actions that carry out. It does
feel a little more cartoonish in this one.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Now they did not they did
not actually shoot in Okay. Now, they they went scouted
locations there, but they found that it was just very
run down and it wasn't cinematic, right, and so they
went they shot in in Hawaii instead. Yeah, despite what what,

(29:50):
Conan O'Brien's producer, Jordan Slansky.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Terrible. I like hurt inside for him in that moment
that was so bad. This is folks.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
If you go to YouTube, look up Conan O'Brien probably
Karate Kid, I'm guessing yeah, probably, Yeah, you know, but
but basically his producer, Jordan Slansky, was like this Japanese
officionado and that that that affinity all started with watching
The Karate Kid Part two, and so he became just

(30:24):
very insufferable with his knowledge of Japanese culture. So of
course Conan took every opportunity could to just dunk on him,
and the greatest dunk being Jordan's assurance that it was
filmed in Okinawa, but he got Ralph Machio on the
phone to say, no, we shot it in Hawaii. It's
just a movie, right, And Conan is just like in

(30:48):
your face. He's like your boyhood idol came out of
my phone and shit in your hair, man.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
And do you remember when he presented the Lego Millennium
falcon Harrison Ford? Then Harrison dropped it on the crowd.
Every now and then, I feel like there need to
be wellness checks for Jordan, because it's like, look, man,
I love laughing at this stuff, but let's just make
sure he's all right and then we can keep going.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Jordan walks off camera and Conan's like, I think I
think I heard a muffled gunshot.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Oh man, this is a big thing that I remembered,
because I remembered much of this movie, but I remember
the whole you know, big wood block sat I was
trying to break. And there's a lot of like memorable
moment's iconography whatever from this one chosen. So he becomes

(31:56):
pounced with Chosen Huh.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, it's really it was. It was funny because I
was thinking about that because Chosen is is pretty darn
lovable in Cobra Kai fascinating, I know, and I'm like, man,
what an asshole this guy is. You know, I'd forgotten.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I know. He's so good though, right Like he's he's
perfect at this, Like he's like a kind of a
I don't know, just his attitude and his smirk, his cockiness,
but he's also intimidating and deadly, and so it just
he's the perfect foil in this movie.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
See right there where he says, I hope your stay
here is a pleasant one, Brian, I'm gonna go on
a limit say, I don't think he's sincere. I don't know.
I wouldn't say I'm a great reader of human behavior,
but seems to me it might be. It might be disingenuous.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't know, Zachi, Let's just see where this thing goes.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I was like, I was like, don't get in the
car with the guy who says I hope you're stay
is a pleasant one.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
And who's like death gripping your hand.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, I'm like don't don't get in his car.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
That's hilarious. Actually, I'm kind of disappointed in Miyagi for
not clocking this. It's the adult here. By the way,
I noticed that the song and I looked it up
what it was called. But the song playing here is
called Fascination Waltz in the Car, and that's the same
song that was playing at the country club when Daniel

(33:28):
was in the kitchen watching Ali dance with See.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's like a sign of danger. It's like seeing oranges
in The Godfather.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, that's good, that's good. I like that. Yeah, never
want to be driven into an empty warehouse.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yes, you know, it's like, hey, we're going the wrong way. No, no,
it's the right way.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Man, there's a lot of red flags here, right, a
red tarp at this point.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
That is hilarious. But yeah, it's uh, you know, we
we we got snippets of Miyagi's history in the first movie,
but this is kind of interesting. We're learning about a
lost love and you know, it's I like it. It gives
a sense of like kind of tragedy. Yeah, you know,
I mean there are he was tragedy in the first one,

(34:18):
But I don't know. I found all this stuff that
they added to Myoggi story compelling, you know. And then this,
even this, even if this is kind of ridiculous, this
whole childhood you know, former best friend now enemy over
like some sort of honor code. You know.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, I so so. Danny Kamakona, who plays Sato, he
he's sort of this like cartoonish, yes, like he's like
a captain planet villain in this. Okay, right, Well.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Explain that to me because I didn't watch that.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
What do you mean, Well, just very like it just
is very over the top. He's got this he's got
this voice, you know, like it feels like like an
animation voiceover almost you know, sure, sure, sure, sure, And
then again we just flip a switch, sure about two
thirds of the way through, you know, and I just
I just found it hilarious, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah. Well, and it's funny because yes, I mean, they
were in love with the same woman, and the woman
was arranged to be married to Sato, and so there's
some sort of like uh and then Miagi speaks up
to the village and says his intentions. I love this
woman and I'd like to marry her, and Sosato's disrespected
and basically he now wants to fight him to the death.

(35:36):
All these decades later, he's still that worked up about it, And.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
That's I admire the effort to be that worked up,
you know, forty years later, right, I'm like that, I
can't muster that much energy for anything these days.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Well, yeah, I mean that's where you can see this, like, Okay,
I'm coming up with a plot something about Miyagi, and
you can imagine being like like a white guy like
in the eighties, trying to write a Japanese story and
you're like, I don't know, like honor, you know, like see.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Here's my thought, here's my thought. I feel like it's
if it's sorry, if it's Sato blaming Miyagi for the
death of somebody close to him, totally I might buy
that totally.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yes, right, yes, the love of a woman is compelling.
But just add to that a little bit. Yes, maybe
there was some sort of accident or whatever.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, like Sato's father died or I don't know something, you.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Know, Yeah, and his last memory of last thing he
experienced was this disrespect to his son or something, and
that's yeah, he could let go of yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
You know, because again, you know, we're talking about Cobra Kai,
where you know, again Daniel and chosen to become friends.
And pretty much the theme of Cobra Kai is like
let this shit go. Really, I mean a lot of it. Yeah,
you know, yeah, yeah, because because because in in Cobra Kai,
Daniel is on good terms with each of the the

(37:12):
the martial arts antagonists in each of the movies.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Does he is he already there? Or is the show
about him getting onto good terms with them?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, it's yeah, it's about him getting there, Okay, okay, right,
but yeah, because because Johnny well obviously Johnny chosen and
even Mike Barnes, who's you know, the guy from the
third movie. I mean, that's what I like about the show.
I think that's what people like about it.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, But I I think to your point about about
delving into Miagie's backstory, I think what helps is that
Pat Marita makes mister Miyagi such a three dimensional character.
Right when you think about it, he could have very
easily been a cliche factory dude totally right, spouting these aphorisms,

(38:03):
and I mean he does that, but like, but that's
it you know, but.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
He does it in such a compelling way and a
charming way then.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
And he does it with a wink. Yeah, yeah, we
like it exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Like in the first film, we have the scene where
he's drunk and he's telling Daniel, you know, excuse me
about what happened to his wife, and and that allows
us to really ground his character. And then and you know,
I mean, look, Pat Merita walked away with an Academy
Award nomination, so you see why he came back.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Oh, totally. And you know, in that Ciskel and Ebert
review for the first movie, Ebert even says like, I
would not be surprised if Rita was nominated for an
Oscar for this.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
So that's like, on first first glance at this kind
of popcorn family film, it's that's how strong that performance was.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And it was and and and I think he knew
that it was like the best role he'd had, you know, yeah, yeah,
in terms of really getting getting getting layers to play.
I mean, all of this stuff is great. What we're
seeing here and stuff with his dad and stuff. I
love all of it.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Sam, you know, you know, it is fascinating. I did
watch Happy Days. I can't say I remember Pat Marita
on it.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
I remember the the al Molinario episodes.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
More same, I guess, Oh, I guess I didn't even
realize that that it was one or the other. But
same and uh. But it's fascinating because yes, so I
know Marita mostly from Karate Kids, so I know this
Miyagi voice. So it's always trippy when you see him
in interviews and he doesn't have this you know, affectation
or accent or whatever at all. Right, like this is

(39:44):
a true character voice everything, you know. It's it's trippy.
It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I love playing Yagi, you know,
kind of a yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I always I love the you know, the behind the
scenes doco on U from like twenty years ago, you know,
and it's him. He's like, yeah, you know, they sent
me the script and I read it and I see
this character and Mayogi, yeah just come here, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, incredible.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
The great thing is, especially if you listen to that
commentary track, which is Pat Marita and Ralph Macchio, You're like,
they're they're Daniel and Meagi in real life. I mean,
they they genuinely loved each other. That's so great, and
that was that was nice. You know, like up until
the end, they were very close.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
You know, I love that. That's what you want, right, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
It's like when we see Michael J. Fox and Christopher
these days and they still you know, whenever they have
their arms around each other or something, You're like, yeah, man,
that's the world I want to live in.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I mean seriously, right, because like you know, at the
time of Leonard Nimoy's death, he and William Shatner had
had a some kind of an argument, so they hadn't
spoken for several years, a couple of years, and who
wants to hear that?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, I know, right, yeah, yeah. Well, and in going
back specifically to the Marty Doc thing, well, and related
to all this, the unlikely really warm friendship between people
such in such different ages, you know, and that we
buy it and believe it. I was I remember on Reddit,

(41:21):
I was seeing a thing and it was talking about
like most underrated shots in certain films, and one was
Marty and Doc hugging in Back to the Future one,
and I was like, yeah, like that move moment puts
a little lump in my throat every time, and I
believe it, you know, and just for something, so that
could just possibly not work or you wouldn't buy, or

(41:42):
you'd be like, oh, let's just have fun. I don't
care if they really get you know, or like I
just wanted to get see Marty get back to the future.
He's too weird. Why would they be friends? It's like, no, no,
they land it and and in some ways, you know,
Miyagi and Daniel are a little unlikely too, but it's
like you completely buy their connection.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
That's it's very true. Yeah, it's tricky, right, it's tricky
to pull off.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
No, absolutely, and I don't think it always works like that.
I mean it's in both cases. I would classify them
as lightning in a bottle.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, she's so great, isn't she.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, yeah, I was, I I really I love her.
She has got great chemistry with pat Marita. Yes, this
is Nobel McCarthy. By the way, she was a model
before this, and she by this time she was only
doing stage work. But I just it's they're a very
cute couple, you know, you like you like seeing them together.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, she hasn't given a ton to do, necessarily, but
she makes an impression and in that scene we had
with me Agi and his father and the way she
has tears in her eyes and just so much care
and also just wow, the love of my life. Yeah,
in front of me again.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Hmm. I also really like Tamlin Tomda in this by
the way.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
She's very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remembered her from
sort of her key moments, but I didn't remember the
performance really and yeah, I thought it was great.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yeah, she's another actor who, like she has continued acting
up to this very day. I mean, she was just
recently on one of the regulars on The Good Doctor.
Oh interest, Oh great, and they brought her back on
Corba Kai too.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Actually, dude, what am I doing? What am I doing?

Speaker 4 (43:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Well, maybe this is perfect. Maybe this is what I'll do.
I'll watch three now that I've sort of caught up
on one and two, watch three because you gotta. And
then maybe I'll start the series.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
And then just roll right in like the The only
piece of Karate Kid lore that show did not plump, well,
I guess the the the Jackie Chan movie, which which
is now retconned into being part of the universe, you know, right,
but also the Hillary Swank one, you know, they never
I think that was on their wish list to try
to get her to show up on but that never

(43:55):
happened unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
By the way, that drum, you know, he's talking about,
you know, his father or his family and that drum
being a part of their karate technique or whatever. So
I remember my dad would go on a bunch of
business trips when I was a kid, and he'd always
you know, bring back something, even if it was just
peanuts from the airplane. I didn't care. It was just something.
Was always like kind of fun to receive when he

(44:19):
was back from his trips. And I remember one time
he came back and he had two of those drums
for my brother and I, and it was like blew
my mind, you know, like now you can go in
like gift shops and you see him, or probably even then,
I mean, but like for me, it was like this
special unique thing to this movie that like I couldn't
believe I was holding in real life. And I loved

(44:40):
that drum.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And then and then you stepped up to the bully
at school, cut to you with the bandage around your
head and the black guy. Except when I started spinning
the drum, but he didn't wait, you know, he wasn't
momentarily confused as I exe him to be exactly, which

(45:02):
was admittedly my mistake.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
But it would be funny to try some of these
techniques and like the sort of like praying, concentrating your focus,
breathing thing he does later the ice and like some
guy like give me your lunch money, I'm like PLoP.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
It reminds me that that SNL sketch with the Andy
Samberg is the superhero?

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Do you remember that? Yes?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yes, and Jason Sadekas just punches him in the face
fifty times in a row.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
It's like one minute of Samberg talking about how he's
going to clean up the streets as a superhero and
then three minutes of him getting like punched in a row.
It's so good. Oh man, man, have you ever been
to Hawaii?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Oh, honeymoon? I went there for my honeymoon.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah. Yeah, as soon as I said it, because I
have a mug, you got me from there. Yeah that's right. Yeah,
I've never been if always wanted to go.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Oh it's it's beautiful. Yeah, it's I mean it's expensive, sure, sure,
but it's worth it. I'm gonna want to go back.
And I'm like, okay, well I'm not paying for six
children to go to Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Oh yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
They can either go to college or go to Hawaii
for a week.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
So I don't know, maybe you can smuggle them in
some luggage or something like a big crate, put a
hole in it. Here's a couple of straws. That's basically
what you have to do. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. I

(46:55):
was about to say something and then I'm like, just checked.
I'm like, wait, what's happening here. I didn't want to
like talk over something that might be Oh yeah, well
so it is, uh, you know interesting too, Like he's
like that, yeah, the cliche bad guy who like owns
every part of a town and has the whole town
under his thumb and.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
He's got the nice suits.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
It's always a bad sign.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah. I mean, even at the airport, you see him
advertising a dojo and then you know, you know, it's
his name on an airport hangar and uh. And then
I noticed a brothel that I hadn't noticed before. Sure
on first feeling, everybody's kid brothel.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, I think it's important. It's a it's an important
part of the repertoire.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, if you want to have everything covered. Yeah,
but yeah, I yes, rewatching this.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I'm like bro settled down, man, No, I know, I
faking kidding me. You know.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
That's the thing, because I did remember the stakes. I
remember there was a fractured childhood friendship that needed to
be repaired, and I remembered, you know, this bully and everything,
but I didn't remember how heightened I guess it was,
or at least especially in comparison to the first movie, right,
which feels kind of grounded is.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
The right word, but it's it's right, Well, this is
the thing, right, Well, it's it's not grounded in the
sense that it makes it seem a lot more dramatic
than it is, but it is grounded in that it's
just it's just a tournament, you know. So it's it's
grounded the way Rocky One is grounded.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah, and it's all excuse me, believable behavior in that
oh you know, kid breaks the boom box and then
well and and kids, kids act like freaking idiots. Yes, yes, yes,
like putting the hose over him in the bathroom and
then getting the crap kicked out. Yeah, like, like you
can write that off.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
To Daniel being a fifteen year old moron. Yes, this,
these are grown ass adults. Well, Miyagi's doing fine, He's
not doing anything wrong. I'm saying, Sato. I'm telling him, man,
I think he needs to talk to a shrink.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, literally over.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Hills beyond the you know, oh Miogi ran away fifty
years ago or whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, so yeah, literally over his uh Miyagi's dead father
and father figured Asato. He literally is still exhaling probably
a little breath, and it's just like, I give you
three days and I'm going to kill you. I agree
with you. I think there should have been some sort
of death all those years ago involved.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's that to me. As I was watching it, I
was like, I was like, that's the only thing that
makes sense to me in this context.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah, you know, I think that's a great, great.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Note, Like maybe the filmmakers were hesitant to have something
as dark as that. But then I'm like, yeah, but
the final you know, the conflict is presented as a
life or death conflict.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
And at the same time, I mean, you know, we
were willing to go with different degrees of things in
different eras and clearly. I mean this movie made one
hundred and fifteen million worldwide in nineteen eighty six, money, right,
like you said, audience scorer of an A. You know,
maybe this is exactly what people want on this. Maybe
they didn't want anything heavier than this. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
That's well, that's also so you know this this came
out the same year as Rocky four.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
And they both occupy the same same lane of silly.
I would say, yeah, yeah, but beloved. You know, so
this scene here clearly the inspiration for Thor the Dark World,
when Thor's mother dies and you know, they set off
all the little lamps and everything. Obviously it was a
Karate Kid Part two homage. I'm just joking.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
I was actually not sure.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
How can you not see it, Brian, it's clear as day.
Well you never know what Figy, you know, he's a
I could see actually doing something like that.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Right, I mean, if he was like, I don't even
care if it makes sense. Every person in one person
in this phase and every film will lose a limb
just because I love Empire strikes back.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
But it's a nice scene right here. This is another
one of the best scenes in this movie.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, So we have Miyagi mourning on a rock looking
at the sunset, and he doesn't say, oh, it's so beautiful.
He doesn't even say anything, just with his face the hurt.
And then Daniel's trying to relay a story about when
his father passed, which I mean, I didn't remember this story,
and so I was leaning forward, like wanting to hear
Daniel talk more about his dad. And just in a way,

(51:56):
he's the mentor in this scene. He's experienced this and
he he can, yeah, give something to Miyagi and seeing
the tears begin to collect.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Yeah, No, I like that they gave Machio something to play.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Uh, And this scene really demonstrats he's a talented actor,
you know. Yeah, this is a really really beautiful scene
and literally beautiful, I mean the sunset and everything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Shoot, there's something I'm gonna say I forgot.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Well, uh, while you think of that, I should mention,
you know the score for this movie, Bill, Bill Conti.
It's a terrific score. Yeah, look at look at the
tears in Maaggi's eyes. Look great. Yeah, it's a great score.
It's really I like how it leans into the Eastern influence,
you know, which is some of the best stuff in
the first score. I thought it was interesting that he

(52:51):
Bill Kanty was the composer of record for the Rocky films,
and when it came time to choose between Rocky four
and Karate Kid two, eachos Karate Kid too, right, which
I was thinking. I was like, man, that's you wouldn't
think he would have made that choice, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
No, I have to.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Imagine it was some some loyalty to John g Abolson
because because you know, Avalson was who brought him onto
the first Rocky obviously, right. But I'm glad, I'm glad
he did this. Like I can't imagine Kanti doing the
score to Rocky four because that's so married to that
synth score in my lane, right, So, so you know,
everything went the way it should have in that in

(53:28):
that instance totally.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And I wonder if there was a little more to
play with in doing a score like this.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
That's true, Yeah, because by by Rocky four, you're sort
of locked in in terms of the themes, and you know,
you gotta have the training montage music and this and the.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
That you know, Yeah, you know, watching this is kind
of beautiful the silhouettes of them. I love that. I
love the silhouettes of them sparring and then then giving
like high fives to one another, you know what I mean.
Like it's just this beautiful short hand between them now
and like a language that they share, and you know,

(54:04):
the karate and the like yeah, man, high five. You know.
But I think this movie finds an interesting way to
not shoehorn karate in necessarily right with the title being
karate Kid. But of course it does feature it, but
it doesn't feel the need to like fit it in
in awkward ways, like just having that moment that feels organic,

(54:26):
like of course they'd go into his dojo and spa
a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, I think it helps that they're in Japan, sure,
and it does. It feels like it would be a
more natural part of the setting, you know, totally. And
and well this scene here where we're introduced to the
drum technique, which honestly I'm still trying to figure out,

(54:51):
Like the drum technique doesn't make sense to me. Yeah,
like crane Kick also doesn't make sense outside of the
world of that movie, right, because you know I was
telling you right before we got on you know, the
comedian Gary Goldman has this great routine where he talks
about how well Miagi is like if if done right,

(55:14):
no can defend, and he's like, well, can defend right, right, right,
can defend? You know, drum technique makes less sense to
me than the crane kick.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Yeah, well, because we sort of see two different like
displays of it, like right, like here, it's sort of
like this getting out of the way of some sort
of attack, right.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Right, So and what we saw earlier, yeah with the drum. Yeah,
I'm I don't know. This is why I'm not a
karate kid.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Brian, Well, yeah, we weren't so lucky to have a Miyagi.
But but yeah, later it just becomes like a way
for Daniel to just sort of wave his arms and
bass chosen his head in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Okay, So well I have thoughts on that. I'll hold those.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, but I sort of get it. If they had
maybe like broadened it out a little bit and said
it had something to do with your core, like planting
your feet, you know, but agility in your core and
you know, being able to move out of the way
of anything and strike back with a certain sort of power,
maybe they could have like honed it in a little
bit and it might have made some mark See.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
It feels like they were they were like, oh, we
need a thing in this movie. Yes, and you know, oh,
I guess it's this, you know. Yeah, And I have
no doubt that it's part of the repertoire of karate moves,
you know, but maybe maybe they just didn't explain it, right, you.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Know, sure, sure, Sure.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
There's also the fact that that, let's be honest, Ralph maccio,
it's not a martial artist, sure right, right, So I mean, look,
he is the karate kid TM and copyright. Yeah, so
nothing but love and respect hashtag my karate kid. But

(57:08):
he does what I call teenage white boy karate. Sure, sure, sure,
And so there is that, right, not exactly Jackie Chan here,
you know, no, no, who does not do karate. He
does kung fu, but still martial.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Arts, right, yeah, you know, I will say yes. And
when we get to the Jaden Smith movie I remember,
which we both enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yes, but it does like a freaking goddamn neo and
the Matrix thing at the.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
End exactly, there's like wirework happening, yeah, which is a
little like almost where you feel like movies were at
in twenty ten where it's like, well, yeah, but people
won't feel thrilled enough if we don't see him do
some sort of matrix move and it's like no, no, no,
So there's I do appreciate the authenticity at least of
literally seeing Ralph Maccio.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Well, I'm not, but I'm not saying he should be
like jet Lee and Letho Webbin four. I'm just saying, like,
you know, one presumes that a karate champion is more
more of a you know karate you know, uh impresario.
You know, he's able to do more stuff.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
No, I agree with you, because I do feel like, yes,
then at the end, when we're watching that fight, it
would be nice to see it like a wee bit more.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
The fight at the end of this movie is some
weak sauce that. That's That's what I will say.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
It's also not quite the set piece I remembered it being. No,
it's really just sort of the stinger at the end
right exactly. And and I think part of that is
we don't have like just a banger after banger on
the soundtrack. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
I think that's all that's part of the problem. We
need some You're the best round, oh man, Yeah, in
order to really get the get the blood pumping always.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I don't care what movie we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So I thought this was interesting. So we see the
Chosen is manipulating a scale as he's paying out people
who are trying to sell their like vegetables or whatever. Yeah,
but it's weird to me that the weight is like
light or something.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I don't understand the scam. Maybe I just don't understand
this movie. Brian, Well, maybe myself as a dullard as right,
I was thinking that.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
I was like, what's this?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
What's the scam he's doing?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I mean, this would be terrible, it wouldn't work at all,
but it would be more likely he would see a
weight and it says like five pounds on it, and
then Daniel rubs the five pounds and it really says
ten pounds, right, because then that means that they would
have to be selling more vegetables than they realized and
getting less money. And so I didn't quite understand what
was happening there.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
So the he yeah, right, because if it's if it's
a light weight and the weight is the counter scale
for the vegetables.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That feels like a scam the villagers would pull.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I feel like I'm trying to figure out the water thing,
the water puzzle and die Hard three right right, I'm
at that moment where I'm almost there and then my
brain breaks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
See, I'm finally, thank god, after our commentary, I'm now
like Neo with the no I can see the numbers.
I remember. All you do is you continue pouring the
bottle into the other and then you'll eventually get four. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah, yeah, but can you figure out Chosen's weight scam?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
That's the new one that's in the next five years
of my life. Go ahead, get to work. Yeah, I
You know, going back to these movies that we sort
of grew up, and of course even movies earlier than that,
you do notice when you revisit them that there's more patients. Yeah,
in certain sort of scenes that they're willing to have
scenes that are kind of quiet and just two characters interacting,

(01:00:50):
which just helps us to understand them more. And you
can sort of sense a lack of patience these days,
like we got to get to it fast. You know,
the scene is not quick enough. We got to cut
it tighter, you know. Yeah, I appreciate that this blockbuster
has nice quiet moments like that with the Yuki and
Miyagi on that balcony.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I think that that, you know, John G. Avelton doesn't
get enough credit for sort of the the humanity that
he lends these films with, you know, yeah, like I
it feels to me. I mean like I knew his

(01:01:31):
name as a kid because of Rocky and because of this,
But I don't know that he gets talked about very
much or mentioned very much anymore, especially you know. I mean,
he hadn't directed a movie in a while before his passing,
But I mean, I think he is kind of the
secret ingredient, you know, that lends consistency to all three
of them totally.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
And I'm actually I'm looking at his IMDb right now,
so I saw he well, yeah, he did Karate Kid three,
then he did Rocky five. Yeah, I'd forgotten he did
that movie eight seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Eight seconds, which was good, Yeah, Luke Perry.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah, and it's like a bull riding movie.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
M h.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Yeah. By I remember when that came out. I remember
when that came out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Same and I'm thinking how did I miss that? It
feels like something I would love.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
That was a good movie, like that was. You know
what's funny is that was at the time where all
the chicks liked Luke Perry, so therefore I had to
dislike Luke Perry, right, that was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah, that's an interesting point, sure right, Yeah, so I
definitely didn't watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Then I watched it about five years later when it
was on TV on WPWR, and I really enjoyed it.
And I remember watching that on TV and be like, hey,
Luke Perry is a good actor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Yeah, And he was on he was on this TV
show a couple of years later called Jeremiah, which is
like this post apocalyptic show. It's terrific in it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
M rip Luke Perry. Oh yeah, yeah, one of the greats.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
But but yeah, Avilson's last movie was I want to
say it was like a Van damflick really and and
it was like a while like it was it was
like early two thousands actually looking up, let me look
it up. Actually, no, ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
By the way, he was born in Oak Park, Illinois,
John G. Evilson.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Oh wow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
But he he died in twenty seventeen and his last
movie director was twenty It was nineteen ninety nine, Okay,
and I'm like, what a shame, Like, you know, he
just he just stopped, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm looking at the screenwriter to
Robert Mark Caman. He did a lot more than I realized,
so taken. It's kind of all over the place too. Yeah,
Welumbiana Transporter, Fifth Element, a Walk in the Clouds, that
kna Reeves romance movie, Lethal Weapon three, Gladiator, not the

(01:03:55):
two thousand and one with the boxing one yep, taps.
I mean that's people might not know him by name,
but it's like, man, what a what a fascinating career there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Well the nice thing is that you know he he
he created the core of the Karate Kid franchise. So
I mean, I'm hoping that he's getting some kind of
payout for everything since then, you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Know, dude, totally totally well yeah, with the series now
and everything. Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, we have like I
was thinking, like, all right, like we set up a
number of these sort of encounters for chosen to get
like one over.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
I feel like there's one too many because Daniel comes
off looking like a wiener you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
It's funny. I'm see. I'm glad you said that because
I like clocked it, and I was wondering why I
clocked it. I was like, maybe yeh need one, maybe
it's one too many. Yeah, maybe you do two. And
then the end is like the square off with all
that or something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
See, I feel like you do the weight thing where
he gets one over on him, and then you get
the thing where we're chosen to like piece of shit
out of him right there, and then the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Ice Yeah it takes all his money.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Yeah, but there's like another one after that, right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Yeah, that's my memory from like two nights ago. I
should remember that. But I like this tea ceremony thing, yeah,
you know, like it's sweet them glimpsing Miyagi and his
long lost love.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Well, and I actually, yeah, got no, no, finish your thought.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Well no, because then we see Kamiko doing the same
ceremony with Daniel, and I got to be honest, in
my ignorance, I didn't know if this was something the
movie is making up and trying to seem like they
we're doing something authentic here, or if it was like real,
And so I googled it. I wanted to learn and
it is real. And I actually watched the whole video
of people who are like experts on that ceremony watching

(01:06:00):
this scene or the scene with Daniel and Kamiko and
sort of critiquing it lovingly but critiquing it. Now, this
is very fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
That was actually what I was going to ask, was, so,
is that something that people in the culture would be like, yeah,
none of that makes sense. So I'm glad that you
see that. Look at that we were on the same wavelength.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I'm glad that you didn't know either. I'll just say
that because yeah, this movie, I was alluding to it earlier,
but it goes so hard on honor and how far
these grown men, like in their sixties you should just
be happy they own a town and have people under
their thumb. Kind of come on, just at least enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
But you're a crime ball lord, enjoy it or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
But I was like, so, I mean, I don't know, like,
is it real, possible or realistic? You know, this degree
of slavishness to honor. And then I was reading through
other people's you know, who knows, I don't know, just
stuff on the internet, but most people are like no.
So I was like, okay, you know, like I don't
know the culture, and so likewise with the tea thing,

(01:07:02):
I thought that was really nice. But I wondered if
that was something invented to sort of be like, oh,
she's doing something in quotes traditional so we get to
know that they're falling in love. But no, it turns
out that actually is a genuine ceremony.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Okay, honest, that's get Well, we know that fighting for
honor mattered to Peter Satara if nothing else. It's right,
that's right, So so that that's important.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Yeah, is this where the song starts playing?

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
It's right here, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched the music video.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Well, it's just an eighty you know, you know the
type has the clips. Yeah, it's Peter Satara singing with
clips fro karate Kid cartoon. I'm like, this is just
in congress. It doesn't fit to me at all, you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Know, something like a little more upbeat.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You're thinking it, well, it's meant to It sort of
revolves around the Daniel Kumiko love story, which, being honest,
it doesn't really do much for me. You know, it
gets close, it gets close for me, but I agree
with you that it doesn't quite go over the top
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
But they're cute together. But I wish I did feel
a little.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Maybe the song would have been better in over the top.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Yeah maybe. Yeah. I didn't quite get where we you know,
with him and Ali in the first one. But but
it's sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like, it's fine. It's funny
because because I was watching this with theo'mna and and
I was like, yeah, it's weird how he just rebounds
after Ali and he right right away jumps into a
new romance and and I'm gonna's like, no, they're not
They're not romance. They like they're like brother and sister.
I'm like, it's like a Luke and Leap brother and

(01:08:40):
sister thing. They they they swap spit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Okay, that's fascinating that that's well there you go. I
mean that there's the chemistry, you know, measurement. Right right
after they.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Kiss, Kumi goes it's like kissing my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
You know. That was like a total catchphrase in the eighties.
It's in a lot of films.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Didn't every movie have that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah, but no, I did think like, well, what are
they gonna do after this when he goes home. And
I thought it'd be funny if in the third film
it starts with him pulling up at Miyagi's house and
he's like, you won't believe it. You know, Miko crash
my car, she stabbed my dog. You know, Like that's
how they dispose of all of his love interests. It's
the beginning of the next movie. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
I think like in the third one, the female lead
is played by Robin Lively, and she was like like
seventeen or something. Oh interesting, like she was a kid,
So that like they don't even have a real romance
because it would have been super weird, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Oh really, so they're just kind of like pals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Yeah, but she's supposed to be like the same age
as sure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Oh I see, but they just technically don't show them
being like too intimate because that would be strange.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yeah, And as my recollection is that the character disappears
like before the third act, yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
She was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Yeah, she was like seventeen when they made the third one. Yeah. Yeah,
see here's the Okay I didn't realis we're gonna spend
so much time talking about the third one, but the
third one came out five years after the first one.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Uh waited it again.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
The third one came out five years later, so eighty
nine okay, but it's set the following year, oh, because
it's like the next year's all Valley And I'm like, well,
why would you do that? Yeah, Like, why don't you
just say, you know what I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Mean, like, it's okay to age him up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Right, Like why don't you make Daniel you know whatever,
he's postgraduate or whatever, and you know, to do that story.
So I always think about that. I thought about that
as a kid. I was like, it's clearly not a
year later because he's grown and he's heavier, and you know,
like right right, very odd.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Yeah, it is kind of like I keep going back
to the future. But you know, with Marty, yeah, five
years later, yeah, or four ish years later in part two.
I mean, he's like he's a man, you know, he's
not he's not a seventeen eighteen year old kid, you know,
but it just Michael J. Fox was right at that
moment where we're still willing to buy it or you
squint and be like, we don't care this. It's Marty

(01:11:21):
and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
A weird thing because because like, at least with the sequels,
you just sort of forget that Marty's supposed to be
a teenager, yeah, because you don't see him around to
high school exactly right, He's just Marty.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah, like that's part of the secret sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
So jeez real quick, did you see B. D. Wong earlier? Yes? Yes,
I did, yeh, yeah, I had to call him out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I think this was his first movie too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
Wow. B D.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Wong who gone on to become you know, the the
de facto Big Bad of the Jurassic franchise. Yeah, who
saw that? Come?

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I know? Now this set piece is just like perfection
to me. Yep, you know. I mean we've already know
that these guys can't stand each other. We're in this
really interesting setting with like this really compelling challenge that
I've never seen before, but that is so specific to

(01:12:21):
the skill set of our heroes, you know, Like it's yeah,
and like the music is so good. I remember even
before seeing it, like from twenty years previous. I remember
the music in this scene because it's so good. And
then just the escalation and then it's like, you know,
Miyagi shows up and then Sato shows up and like
everyone just waiting for, you know, the thing to happen.

(01:12:44):
But it's like it reminds me of you know, like
the some of the best moments with the jedis where
we're ready to see them kick ass, but they're like, no,
we're gonna like pray first. You know, we're gonna like
concentrate and you're like, oh no, something really awesome is
about that happened. You know, we give that little pause
to like, you know, get us ramped up, and like
seeing him and Miagi do that sort of focusing thing together.

(01:13:06):
This I adore this scene. I remember that from a
kid adoring it, and it completely held up for me
as an adult.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Yeah. No, well, it's like I said earlier, I think
it's one of the best parts of this movie. Yeah,
and it's kind of just picking up on what you're saying.
It's unique to the identity of these films, Like it
feels very organically a part of this universe.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
And I mean these are not crazy shots, but they're
very compelling the way like seeing him side by side
with Miagi and the ice right there, that's some great blocking.
And then I love this blocking with satso there like
like we're seeing out of focus Daniel's you know, hand
movements things. But we're watching so through Sodo through the crowd,

(01:13:54):
like watching, observing, thinking something. There's something on his face.
Chosen cackling in the background. A plus, man, I love.
I'm getting like hyped up just watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yeah yeah, see that that I remember is is in
the video game. Yeah, it was like a it wasn't
like uh it was like a between levels thing where
you have Daniel break the ice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Yeah I remember that. Yeah, but you just know, like,
uh no, like taking all the money Chosen, It's gonna
be so pissed.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
See. So so you look at Sato, I'm like you
a grown ass man.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
That's I know. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
It's like, dude, see I I can, I can. I
can roll with it with Chosen because he's a he's
a dumb kid. Yeah yeah, but but uncle, you know,
come on yeah yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
And see that's nice. He gets his money back for
his college tuition after he's that money on the plane ticket.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
I think that's that's a nice little gesture. And what
is it, like how much money does he get? I
don't remember that's six hundred so it would be like
twelve hundred probably right. Wow, he has to cover the
bet right, Yeah, not bad, not bad in nineteen eighty
six dollars. Yeah, yeah, good point tell you that. Yeah

(01:15:27):
it was funny too, uh yeah b d Wong. I
guess he was passing up the flyer for that sockhop, right, yes,
But by the way, I should say, as soon as
they were at the sockhop, I was like, I was
thinking of you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
I was just gonna say. That's my common example of
like this weird thing when you grow up in a
certain era, you're learning about culture from someone who's like
twenty years older than you, you know what I mean,
like the writers of your TV shows. So as a kid,
I'm watching something that a thirty year old remembers from
when they were a kid, and some of those things
like carry on through me, even though kids today would

(01:16:01):
be like what are you talking about? You know what
I mean? Like for me, for some reason, it was
sock hops, and I don't remember where it came from,
but now I'm realizing it was partially from here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah. Yeah, you ever go to you ever go to
a sockhop? Brian? No, No, I don't know, I just
the idea is so fun and magical and compelling to
me for some reason. Though, So when I was writing
for Puppy Dog Pals, I pitched a story that took
place at a sockhop, even though I'm sure in twenty
twenty five, you know, a kid be like, what are
you talking about? Yeah? This, I remember this, the Sato

(01:16:38):
trying to break that log or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
It's like a it's like a testa character for him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Yeah yeah, and looking at it, you're like, you're not
going to break that, Like it's like how long are
you going to punish your hand? You know? But like

(01:17:08):
this stuff feels a little bit more down to earth,
just the conversation between them, just this anger and hatred
and clinging to the past. It's kind of nice. Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
I guess here's what I'll say. I guess I should
feel lucky that I've I've never had a decades long
feud with anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Like I've just lived an ordinary life, an ordinary non
feuded life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Yeah. Maybe we just can't relate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
Yeah, so you know, just take the w I guess
because he's he mean, says he left when he was
eighteen and he's you know, whatever he is in this
I'm probably in his fifth I'm guessing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, I looked it up. It was something
like Middish fifties, Okay, which is strange because at this
point I have friends that are in their early fifties
and yeah, totally crap.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Like, well, the fact that Ralph Maccio is quite a
bit older now than Miyagi was in this than Pat
Marito was in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah, you know, yeah, now yeah, just I mean looking
at the sokop here, like there's just something I'm sure
a lot of it has to do with this is
kind of like the music my parents were listening to
in the car. So there's a lot of like nostalgia
tied to it, you know, right, Like a lot of
times when I'm in a friend's car, they want to

(01:18:43):
put on like satellite radio, and then I pick a decade.
I either go sixties or nineties. So that stuff for
my youth.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Yeah, yeah, I well, I you know, I I I
read a thing a while ago. I talked about how
we basically stopped paying attention to new music after we
turned thirty five, right right, and and I'm I initially
I was like what now, come on now. But then
I'm like, no, I think that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Yeah, no, I think so too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Right, notwithstanding the odd thing that kind of catches your
your your fancy, but I mean, you don't actively seek
it out anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I kind of agree, I kind of because.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
You got your music. It's like, no, I got you know,
I got my music.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Yeah, you know what, You're gonna probably queue up exactly
every now and then when something's kind of blowing up,
I'll be like, okay, let me give that a shot,
Like just check it out in the car and see
if I connect with it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Maybe occasionally I do, but less often than that we're
aging out, Brian, I know, I know, hate to say it, Yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Now Earth Angel is playing the background here. I clocked that,
and and I'm gonna was like, oh did they play
is that case of Back to the Future? And I
was like, well, the song did exist.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Before Back the Future?

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Yeah, yes, it's a nineteen fifties sock op, so it
makes sense that it would have heard Things, which is
a great song. By the way, It's completely separate from
Back in the Future. It's just a great song.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I was trying to think.
So if this came out in eighty six, it's possible
that this was being filmed while back to the future.
I'm not saying that that's why they chose it, but
it's like in theaters they're a little closer than all these.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
Movies intersected in this weird way.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of cool to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
So, you know, we as we were talking about earlier
in this conversation, you know, they made movies a certain
way that we just have nostalgia for. And is that
a reflection of the quality being better or is that
just a reflection of us imprinting on them at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I'm willing to say both. Okay, I think a lot
of it is the imprinting, but I do feel this
is not I can't say this to everything, but I
do feel like there was a little more attention to
cinematic effect in older movies, like just visual, more thoughtful

(01:21:15):
visual sort of setups and executions and you know, tilting
the camera to make you feel something, And I just
don't see that as often anymore. And I can't say
that's better or worse, but that is my preference, you
know what I mean? And it's like these people who

(01:21:36):
are making these movies, they were influenced by a certain
set of movies.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
It kind of goes back to the Sokop thing, right,
So it's like they were influenced by something that came
before them that imprinted on me. And so that's what
I feel like movies should look like. I feel like
they should have that little bit of style, and not overstyle,
but just some sort of style, a little pinache, a
little it's a visual medium, so it's involve that in
the narrative, right, Yeah. But then you have younger people

(01:22:04):
coming up and they're used to just shooting stuff with
phones and or watching things that have just been kind
of shot with phones, and they might be thinking less
about how to move the camera and more about just
capturing something with a camera.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
It's just a great point.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
It's just different, you know, and I miss it. I
prefer the previous style, but that could be what's happening.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Well, they're not better than Froggy, They're just different.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Mmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Which I have a feeling a portion of our audience
will nod knowingly right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Right, and a portion will be like, I don't know
what he just said, I'm very curious.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
That that is a reference to Lethal Weapon four.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Actually, why don't you explain it. It's a really beautiful
moment that you and I actually talk about a lot. Really,
I mean, I know it's funny, but I it is.
It comes up in my life a lot. Want you
go ahead and explain it for people who don't know. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
In Lethal Weapon four, at the end of the film,
you have you Have Riggs played by Mel Gibson. He's
at his wife's grave and he's telling his wife, you know,
I still love you, I miss you, but I'm in
love with Lorna and who's played by Renee Russo, and
I mean, kit, I don't know what to do. She
wants to get married. And then at that point, Joe
Peshi shows up as Leo and he says, you know,
when I was a little kid, I had a pet frog.

(01:23:18):
His name was Froggy. And I loved that frog and
I took him wherever I went and he was my
best friend. And and then one day the frog jumped
out of the basket and his bike and he accidentally
ran him over at the front tire and he died.
And he thought I had never have a friend like
this again. And then you know, much later in life
he met Riggs and Roger and and they treated him

(01:23:43):
a lot better than he felt like he deserved, and
they became his best friends. And they were They weren't
better friends than Froggy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
They were just different.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
And you know, I find, believe it or not, that
is so applicable to so many walks of my life.
It's a remarkable.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I can't tell you more than I ever would have imagined.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
I think about that, I say all the time. Not
better than Frocky, just different.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
So Sam, Sam, Yep, yeah, I got.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
We were talking earlier about about your sort of befuddlement
at the idea that Chosen and Daniel'll become friends. And
you watch a scene like this and you're like, God, damn,
this guy's an asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Dude. I've talked about this before, where I have this
really weird thing where, for example, and Batman begins when
you know, Wayne Manner gets burned to the ground. Obviously,
it's very cinematic and dramatic, and we will rebuild, but
I can't help but feel the real world sort of
feelings of like, oh, it's so much work, like that

(01:24:46):
whole thing. It's gone, and you gotta get tractors and
move all the debris and you gotta get no more bricks.
And I know something about it exhausts me or it feels.
And so anyway, watching chow In like basically spear up
and destroy this really old historic dojo here like really

(01:25:09):
bothered me. You know. I was like, no, you can't
replace that. That's really like this. Look, man, you want
to kick the crap out of him, that's one thing,
but like this stuff has like been here a long time,
and this is really disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Well, you know a big part of his storyline in
Cobra Kai is that, you know, he's in love with
Koumako and he tells her how he feels and she
doesn't feel the same way, et cetera. And and I'm
rewatching this. I'm like, bro, you put a knife to
her throat and you cold cocked her.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
That is it? I don't read.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Yeah, I'm like, yeah, that'd be a hard thing to
look past. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Yeah, he like straight up punches her in this movie. Right,
So okay, this goes back to what you were saying. Also,
good can replacement right there? Right? I mean again, I
don't think movies think about that. They just kind of
point and shake and shoot and try to go for
this natural thing, which totally works for certain stories. But
there's something about no put it low. It's going to

(01:26:07):
make you feel a certain way. Strike the light that way,
it's gonna make you evoke a feeling. And watching Chosen
with that spirit of Daniel's neck, that framing alone makes
me feel something. And that's the stuff I personally respond to.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
But so okay, so you were saying this is beautifully
lit Daniel, isn't, you know? Jetly? Basically? So you know,
we have Pat Marita as far as I can tell,
doing a lot of this, a lot of the moves here,
and you can kind of feel that, you know what
I mean, Like he's got as much power as Pat

(01:26:43):
Maria can bring. And it's so, you know, I like
watching him kind of do these kicks and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
It doesn't well, you can't have him like Yoda in
Attack of the Clone.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah, bouncing off it wouldn't work. But it's it's like
a give and take, right, I do you actually seeing
him do this stuff? Like it feels powerful because I'm
seeing the actual guy do the actual thing, but you
kind of have to squint a little bit because it's
doing maybe enough to knock like a really ripped twenty

(01:27:14):
eight year old guy to the ground, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, well it's a tough
I mean, look, people's expectations were probably just kind of
different in the eighties too. Yeah, although this is a
post Bruce Lee reality, that's true, unless you're like, well, yeah,

(01:27:37):
but that's Bruce Lee, Like there's sure he's on an
island or something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
I don't know, I don't know, No.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
I mean that's possible. Yeah, I mean I'm trying to think, like,
who were the the martial artists of note during this
specific era. Chuck Norris, Yeah, I guess Chuck Norris. Well,
supposedly like Chuck Norris, there's this rumor that he had
been offered the role of Oncrease in the first film,
and he turned it down because he said it it's

(01:28:05):
you know, it disrespects Karate hm hm, And Noris said,
that's it's not true. He's never offered the role. However,
he would have turned it down for that same.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Reason because it disrespects Karate. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I
didn't say it, but I would have said it. Oh see,
I eat up all of this, like I really buy
into this relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
But did you as a six year old really not?

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
It's not on the same I'm sure I can't imagine
I did. I mean, I'm probably the movie I saw
right before this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Was like you didn't lean forward kind of rubbing your chin. Yeah,
in in wrap fascination? Yeah, yeah, I doubt it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
What's gonna happen at the Oban Dance? Yeah? Yeah. I
would actually love to interview myself about these movies. It
just sort of see what I said, because I was saying, like,
right before this, I probably I remember seeing fall that
bird in the theater probably around this time. It's like
big bird was gone and now he's back. It's probably

(01:29:25):
like how I felt about things.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
I took my daughter to see Thunderbolts, and I mean
she's eight, so it's a little bit older. But she
was surprisingly like engaged on She's like, yeah, you know,
Bob's dark side is something that he hit away because
his dad was mean to his mom.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
I was like, holy shit, it's true, though, isn't it.
A lot of times kids will surprise you how much
they're actually tracking.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Yeah, I mean I was kind of impressed, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Yeah, yeah, well you know what, and that kind of
makes sense. I mean, they'll track with what they're observing.
But to your point, like three minutes ago, I didn't
have the life experience that I'm probably now bringing watching
this sort of doomed romance and all that, So it,
you know, probably hits in different ways. But I'm sure
as a kid, I clocked.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Are you so you weren't like, you know, Miyagi shouldn't
have stepped up to Sato's women.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
You know, there's consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Right as brothers and sisters do, as was the style
at the time. But yeah, this is another one of
those moments.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
I was like, ah, geez na, like, don't destroy this stuff.
It's gonna take so long a clean.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
But come on, you're making a mess.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Yeah, but this does feel sort of eighties villain, you know, like, yeah,
bull those the stuff for you town. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
I'm just fascinated by by Chosen's like and shirt right there.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Oh yeah, man, he's got some style.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Pretty sure I had a shirt like that. Really, I
was rocking it in the eighties. Yeah, like sort of
it looks like kind of like a silk Yeah, yeah,
button up shortly. Yeah, it was like a silk blend
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
You know. What shirt I always loved and wanted was
Marty's in the fifties. When he's uh talking to his
dad about like the plan for the evenings, he gets
this like cool red button up shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
I'm picturing it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, when they're doing the clothesline thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Well, that's the thing. What I found about fifties fashions
is that they hold up no matter when you wear them. Yeah,
some things are just kind of right classic. I can't
really do that with the seventies, can't really do with
the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Isn't that fascinating?

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Yeah, like fifties and sixties. I feel like that that's
sort of timeless.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
That is so, you know, I think that sometimes when
I look at like the seventies and I'm like, really,
like people actually thought that those colors looked good, you know,
like those pants like are that insane? Shirt? Like was that?
I don't know what the equivalent is. You know, like
you remember the two thousands when kids were wearing those

(01:32:09):
jeans that looked like they were wearing like a wall
with a slit down the middle. You know, it's like
those huge, big, big, big jeans. I mean like even
at the time, we were like I don't know, you know,
or some of us were like those crazy seventies shirts
with the collars that went down to like their nipples.
Like was that in the seventies. Did everyone just go

(01:32:31):
agree that that was cool? Or was that just sort
of like a faction of people.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Well, that's but that's how it always is, right, Like
the quote unquote cool people decide what's cool. Yeah, right,
I mean they have other people who were like, that's
not cool, that's square, and they make the sign with
their fingers.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Yeah, and then like it animated version of a square
appears as they may.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
That's as was the style at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
Yes, But I was just talking about this with someone
because they sent me, Oh, it was the Star Wars
theme as a disco song, and like I've heard that. Yeah,
I heard that, and I was like, isn't that fascinating too,
Like disco music, it's a thing that cropped up. Yeah,
and it existed and we have it on record, and
then everyone decided they hated it, and now it has disappeared,

(01:33:17):
Like disco is not a category at the music shop
you know or whatever anymore, right, Like that's how often
does that happen, like a whole new genre or something,
or well.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
It's like we collectively a society decided this was a mistake,
right right, Yeah, we we have to ensure this never
happens again.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Yeah, yeah, but blue we need more I think.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
We need more of that. We need more collective recognition
we made a mistake. Let's not do this anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
Yeah, that's okay. We can acknowledge it, and that's that's
part of healing, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Well, like I would say, seventies fashions, the most extreme
elements of seventies fashions never came back.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
That's a point because things cycle, Right. When we were
in the nineties, there was like sixties fashions coming back.
I remember that, and then now you saw recently like
nineties fashions come back. But yeah, it seems like people
skipped over the seventies, right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
It's not like bell bottoms didn't really come back, and
you know, yeah not necessarily the collars and stuff. You know. Yeah,
white people with the afros that didn't come back should
be grateful for that. I would say, you know, right,
that's really funny.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Anyway. So yeah, now we have the the tea ceremony,
which is sweet, like we got you know, we sort
of had it set up earlier where we saw it
with yeah, Miyagi and Yuki, so we sort of know
what this is. Part of me wonders too, if this
is sort of like do you remember that Full House
episode where it was like DJ like walked around a

(01:34:51):
table three times and it's like, oh my gosh, you're
married like according to like Greek tradition or something like.
Like not knowing what this was, I didn't know how
serious it was, you know, like what is she expressing
to him here? And I was imagining mi Agi walking
by and be.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
Like, oh, Daniel Son run like hell right exactly, You're
going to pay alimony in that right right? But no,
they're going steady. It's very it's very chaste.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Yes, it's very Yeah, it's very sweet and kind of beautiful.
But yeah, so that video they went over this scene
and they were critiquing everything, I mean, in good humor,
but like, oh yeah she did that with a napkin, right,
Well not that not that you know, like you know,
or that wouldn't be downturned, you know, or that would
you wouldn't put that on the table or that. But

(01:35:41):
and then the way that she turns the bowl and
then they kind of turned the bowl back. It's sort
of about the most beautiful part of the bowl being
front facing to the person that you're you're facing. So
I was like, oh, so there's like a it's cool
learning what every move meant. See.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I feel bad because I was going to be like,
you know, it'd be funny if the whole scene is
just like a sex metaphor, like you know, when he
had like the train entering the tunnel and you're like, oh,
I get what they're doing exactly. Apparently there's like cultural
significance and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
I love that though. If you don't know she's dipping
the water and putting it pass now view it through
that prism.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
Suddenly it's all dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
It doesn't even matter. Like now it's just like, yeah,
nixing the macha if you know what I mean, Yes,
you just got to add that to everything. Now she
turns the bowl three times. Oh no, what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
So I was I was looking at Tamlin Tamita's credits
and I found this fascinating. She Among her credits is
voice work on the Karate Kid animated television series Oh
no kidding, where she voiced additional characters. Now now, not

(01:37:08):
for nothing, right, but if you're doing a Karate Kid
animated series and you have one of the only star
from them films.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Yeah, make her a damn character.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Make her a character.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
If not this character right right right right? That show also,
it would have these little interstitials at the start of
the episode, so it would show like clips from the episode,
and it would be a voiceover from mister Miyagi being like,
on today's story, me and Daniel Son, you know, spank
the monkey or whatever, like whatever happens to that episode.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
It's the scene you're watching right now, isn't it. It's
just it's what your brain Elaine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, exactly. Anyway, but that the voiceover was Pat Marita, okay,
but the voiceover during the show was some whoever was
doing the voice of mister Mayagi.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
Didn't he do that With Back to the Future, I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Was gonna say so reminded me of Back to the Future.
This is this is this is the old bait and switch,
you know, yep, Because the Back to the Future cartoon
would open and close with with these live action segments
with Christopher Lloyd introducing the episode, and you'd be like, well,
obviously he's doing the voice, but in fact it was
Dan Castell Lena.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Doing the voice of crazy Homer Stock. Yeah. Yeah, did
Docy did Genie right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
And the y Genie that's right, the Laddin sequels, yeah,
and the animated the TV series.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
Yeah. You know, it's impressive in this moment before CGI,
the scene where we're watching them do the innuendo t ceremony.
According to Jackie, Uh, what I love is it begins
kind of moody, you know, with the weather and whatever like.
It just feels very intimate and kind of heightened and romantic,

(01:38:59):
but it is slowly escalating into a storm.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Yeah, and that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
That's impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It doesn't just come out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Yeah, I mean just I don't know the way they
convey that, and they don't have the computers to change
the backgrounds in the windows like I However they did that.
I think it's really elegantly done.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Well, and this whole sequence is pretty pretty effective, I
think as I think this is the dramatic high point
of the film.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Right, So I think to your point, That's what makes
the the final act throwdown feel sort of perfunctory, right,
It feels like a necessity, like you gotta check that box.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
Right, right, right right, you know. And I think that's
why this movie held up in my mind and why
even though I look at it a little bit like, Okay,
maybe it's a little cartoonier than I remembered in detail,
but there's so many Daniel and Miagi are still great
throughout this entire film. Their dynamic is fantastic. I'm always

(01:40:02):
happy when I'm spending time with them. But there's so
many strong moments in this movie. Yeah, like the the
ice sequence and then this typhoon sequence, and you know,
say what you will about the ending, but it is memorable,
you know. And so you know, the everyone in the
crowd with the drums, and you know, so there's there's
so many things that I think you walk out and
you go, oh, that moment was great, Oh that moment
was great. Yeah, and you kind of forget about the

(01:40:25):
tendons holding it together. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Well, right, I don't think this is a bad movie
by any stretch. I think it's a lot of fun
to watch, and we can have fun picking at you know,
the various things. But I think that that's the fun
of the experience, you know, I certainly I think it's
a better movie than the third one, But I think

(01:40:49):
the third one is very watchable in a pulpy bad
movie kind of way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
Sure, if you know what you're it's not the first one,
and know what you're getting into.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
I think the first look, it's again the Rocky comparison abounds, right,
It's like, look, Rocky four is a very different animal
than Rocky one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're both very watchable.
But you got to know that you're reading from, you're
singing from two different hymnals.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
I like that expression.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
Yeah, you know, Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
I like that. But yeah, I mean this is again
where it's like, but this is very compelling, and I
love this where first of all, I mean Chosen like, yeah,
he's dead, trust me, you know, like obviously not so
I don't know how close he looked, just scared of
the thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
His arms are flailing, He's like, help me, help, My
uncle is dead.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
Help right, right, But yeah, so you got shadow.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Chosen says it louder because his uncle's screaming he's dead. No,
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
But but yeah, you're having him under that beam, you know,
and it just seems a little crazy. He's like, just
leave me. It's like what your mind, Like, we can
get out of here. But but there's something cool about
Miagi breaking the beam that kind of resembles the beam
that Soato couldn't break. Yeah. Yeah, and then this, I mean,
like that's great, but this is harrowing hearing a little

(01:42:31):
girl screaming in the middle of a storm high up
on this rickety ladder. And and then you know, being
in his bunker, there's like something really uh, I don't know,
just delicious about like the village is in this place
and this drama is taking place in the middle of
this crowd contained in this small room where it's like
go up that girl and chosen like no, you know,

(01:42:53):
backing away. But Daniel, yeah, Daniel, go out there. He's
the crowdy kid, our man.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Daniel.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Yep. Yeah. This is this is good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Good They're they're built from sterner stuff in Reseda.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
I'll tell you exactly. Oh, I forgot to tell this story.
But when I was working on this movie and I
was like running errands, I was a pa. I had
to go to Reseda. And I said to the guy
who you know, was gonna send me there. I was like, Rocida.
Isn't that It's like karate Kid, right, It's from Rosida.
And it was like him and this production secretary and
they're like, oh yeah, wow, yeah, everybody remembered that line.

(01:43:28):
And they're like hey, and they gave me some cash.
They're like, if you like go in a store and
you see like a shirt says Resida, get it for me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Do they have Resieda shirts?

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
I don't. You know, sometimes when you go in to
a CVS or like a drug store or something, and
there will be like the name of the town you're
in on a T.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Shirt, like like Chicago or I mean, you know it's
not gonna be like Wheaten.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
Well I was gonna say, I actually do remember Wheaten shirts.
Really yeah, so I.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Think, well I stand corrected.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Then I do remember not seeing a Resida shirt. Okay,
but yeah, anyway, but yeah, this is all good. This
is all good drama. This is very embarrassing for Chosen.
This is niceeing Sato, even though yes he's having his
Ebenezer Scrooge kind of you know, I'm sure everyone The

(01:44:15):
next morning was like what I know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Boy, what day is it? It's Christmas? Sir?

Speaker 1 (01:44:23):
Yes, yeah, And after he was just like, in the
name of honor, I have to kill you, Miyagi. In
the name of honor, you must let me die, like
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
What, Yeah, pick a lane, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
You know, I don't care. I don't like speaking of
the hymnal. Like I've acclimated to these songs. I'm on board.
I will say. When I was watching this, I was
checking the time and there was only like fourteen minutes
left in the movie here, and I thought, wait, isn't
there like a huge showdown at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Not as huge as you remembered? Is the takeaway? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
Like to me in my memory, that was like the
karate tournament again. Yeah, I mean not exactly, not all
the rounds and everything. Sure, I thought it was longer
than it really is. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
He's a new man this really. I mean, somebody set
the switch to evil, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Yeah, I mean he is. He's having like a solid
Paul moment here, and it's like that would be funny.
He's like, no, call me you know something else. Now,
I'm not going to even try to make up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
It's It's like, you know, when when Homer asked mister
Burns to sponsor the bowling team. Yes, yes, because he
was hopped up on goofballs or something.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
That's right, that's right. Yeah, I mean again, this does
feel almost like Saturday Morning cartoon logic with the bad guy.
But it's I don't care. I acknowledge it. And you
are I'm not saying you, but the royal you. Yes,
you are correct. But like Daniel being like really, yeah, hey,

(01:46:06):
can we have the ceremony at the castle, Like, yes,
yes you can. We'll have the ceremony at the castle.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Henceforth, and you will dance, and I will dance, everybody
will dance. Isn't it a beautiful day?

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Exactly? And yeah, he kind of skips away whistling a.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
Tune and we see at the bottom of the screen,
you know something whatever the you know, what's the song
from the Naked Gun?

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
You know some oh something tells me. I'm man, it's
a little block at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Yeah, here's what I'll say. I I think that Miagi
is so good right that it's gratifying that just through
the power of his personality and just remaining who he is,
he's able to to change Sato. Yeah, right, because because

(01:47:02):
when you think about it, why does Daniel go out
there and why does he save the girl? It's because
of who Miyagi has made him.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Hm hm that's a great point, right, the way that
he reacts, the way he's been excuse me, side by
side with Sato, he elevates everyone else around him, and
even even the plot points of the movie, because like, yeah,
to your point here, it's kind of insane that this
high school kid from Acida would go out for a
battle to the death. But because Meagi's like, yes, go yeah,

(01:47:31):
he sort of like, okay, well he should probably go.
That's right, you believe it. That actor with.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
The glasses, by the way, I remember him from Gung Ho.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Oh yeah, I just recently watched that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Yeah, yeah, that was what we.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
We talked about it. We're like, is this racist? Yeah, yeah,
it's like possible.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
I don't know that we settled the question. I think
it's it's it's the question. It hangs in the air still.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
I guess really the real question is did they mean
it to be racist? That's a good point. I don't
think so. And it was we talked about it, but
it was fun seeing Michael Keaton and a gear that
I'm not used to seeing him in, Like everyone always
talks about he's this comedian, and I'm just kind of
used to him from my age Beatlejuice and beyond, so
I know him with a little bit of darker edge

(01:48:15):
and whatever. But seeing him be pure manic comedian in
that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
It was kind of just very funny in that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:48:21):
Yeah. Oh yeah, he's like Jim Carrey in that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Yeah, I say what you want about anything else, I
think it's worth watching just to see Michael Keaton being
absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
So that red jacket, if I recall, that was at
least one of the versions of Daniel who could get
in the action figure line.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
Yeah, good call, man, I wish I had all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:48:44):
Still, that stuff it probably goes for a fortune at
this point, I wonder, Yeah, those figures, Yeah, now that
it's kind of popular again. There was Miagi, there was
Sato that was chosen. Yeah, right, and then they had
the whole all balley tournament play set.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Yeah, and they weren't like the three what do you
call it, the three inch or whatever, like g I
Joe size. Yeah, they were like bigger. Yeah, they were
like the original G I. Joe size.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
They were like, no, no, they weren't that big. They
were like probably like five inches something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:18):
Yeah or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
But they had like these action features where you could
have them like break boards and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yeah. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
I remember they had soft goods jackets. I remember that too.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
Yeah, this is pretty cool, like her doing the dance
and him in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Doing like a Eathan Hunt off.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
The Yeah, but I like that you have to catch it,
you know, they don't just sort of as this is happening,
and then they cut to him like slowly rising over
a wall and entering. It's like we're lingering on her
dancing and your eye has to catch him in the
background sliding in the frame, which I kind of like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Now we're chosen right there, he says, I cannot hear
your uncle. I'm dead to you, remember, Yeah, I have
to say he's got him there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
It's a pretty badass line. I love that in the
court of law he's got him. That's good. He's got
him there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
But Chosen goes from like sort of you know, high
spirited dick to murderous asshole like pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Yeah, I mean in the tone of this world, I mean,
he has been humiliated multiple times, clearly takes honor pretty seriously. Yeah.
I mean, I don't know how he thinks this is
gonna get him his honor back. That doesn't make a
lick of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
But I mean I think you as the audience are
supposed to be like.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Eh, it's Japan right, right, right right, which I think.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
I think Japanese people would be like, pardon.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
Me, exactly exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
This is the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
It wasn't like, you know, no, we would some century
you know, yeah, exactly, we would subdue him and he
would go to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
Man, I remember I probably watched this so many times.
This scene, yeah, I mean this movie, but this scene.
I remember this scene like I can hear it, like
all the sound effects and everything, and as I'm watching
it on mute. But you gotta wonder. I mean, if
I was Yagi, I think she should have like done
a shot because like, yeah, he's this guy wants to

(01:51:31):
fight Daniel to the death, and he's like, not only that,
join me out, you know, And there's this mote remove
the bridge. We're gonna settle till one of us is dead.
And it'd be kind of funny if they cut to
Miyaga and he's like, oh, his mom's gonna kill me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
I was about to say, right, like, if something happens
to Daniel, I'm imagining the phone call to his mom,
like she's like, oh, you're gonna spend the summer with
with mister Meg and Jape. He's like, so, uh Daniel
fight for Anna and uh fund on a well, but uh.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Mistakes were made. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If this was twenty
twenty five, it would be funny if she like FaceTime
Yagi in this moment and he just picked up, like, uh,
we'll call you back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Things are fine, It's all fine, now, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Yeah? I mean because again, as a kid, I was
just like buying all this, but like, yeah, I was
an adult. I'm like Yaggi, dude, no, you probably should.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
I'm picturing Miyagi FaceTime.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
You see he sent her frame his face and you
just see like.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Daniel and Chosen just flying back and forth behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Oh, I don't want to die. Jesus, dude, this is great.

(01:53:05):
I love this, and I gotta say I'm gonna be
that guy. I keep repeating myself, but like, I just
don't feel like the same care is put into visuals
and like smoking things out and having this stuff out
of focus in the foreground and whatever and all. I mean,
look at this thing with like chosen out of focus
Daniel the smoke and then him coming into it, Like

(01:53:27):
it really sells what we're doing here, you know what
I mean? It goes a long way and immersing us
in this.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Thing said, I agree with you. Shot wise, However, wouldn't
chosen also know the drum technique? Like why wouldn't Why
wouldn't chosen be like, oh, I should do the drum?

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
He's like, oh, they're all encouraging me. Yeah, he's getting
the wrong message, right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
That's number one. Number two? This right here? Why would
you do this in shot reverse in close up as
opposed to doing a wide at least give us a
little bit of a wide so we can see what
the hell is happening.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
Maybe they have the wide, Zaki, I'm gonna submit. Maybe
they have, and they're like it didn't look great.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Maybe I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Actually it probably did because that looks fine.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
That was my thought, because I couldn't what was happening,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Sure, but that goes to the sort of murkiness of
what exactly drum technique is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Okay, fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Well well no, no, no, no, you're right, because we know
what he's doing, so you could show it clearly. But
earlier it was more of like an evasive sort of thing, right, yeah,
whereas this is like an attack.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Well I yeah, it's like dinoisasan beat him like a drum.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
That's what I write, That's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
What I assumed.

Speaker 1 (01:54:50):
Right, it's got it, but it's powerful though. Right again,
in the movies, if we're in its reality, like just
seeing everybody there doing drum thing together, and it's a
it's a rousing ending.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I think I agree, although you know, I wonder if
I would have liked to see I would have liked
to see them leave. I would have liked to see
Miyagio and Sato part as friends, and I would I
would have liked to see some resolution to the Japan storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:55:24):
You know, I don't disagree. I do think this is
nice because it leaves you. I mean, seeing Miaggi smile
again and you know cutting out, Well, my heart's still racing.
There is something to be said for that, but this
is a different animal than the first movie, and yeah,
it might be nice to see. Well, I mean, what
is he gonna do with his former flame? Are they?
I mean, is she gonna come with him?

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
Or like, well, I, as far as I know, no,
because she's not. You know, she's not in the third
one that I recall.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
I wish she had come. And then Miyagi pulls up
with his busted car.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
He's like, you won't believe she'd break cars, Daniel Sun
and then she cheated on me with Sato.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
Right right, Well, it's credits are rolling. I want to
bring up this story because were you gonna say something?

Speaker 2 (01:56:12):
I was just like, here's here's the song you ask
her not many Peter Satara song.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Yeah, which is great. I just wanted to bring up
I thought this was an interesting little tidbit. So when
this movie came out in nineteen eighty six, they offered
a free screening that anyone could go to, and it
was let's see, it was in celebration of Liberty Weekend,
which was a four day celebration held to mark the

(01:56:36):
nineteen eighty four to eighty six restoration of the Statue
of Liberty. So they had for July fourth weekend. They
called it the Weekend, and in celebration of that, they
said our way of thanking America, Columbia Pictures said, We're
gonna hold a free screening of Karate Kid Part two.
Anybody who wants to go can just go see it
for free.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
In the statement, they said, we we've got a Japanese
America star, an Italian American star, and a Jewish American
producer on this movie, and we've all had families come
through there by the Statue of Liberty. So it was
in celebration of that, and I thought that was kind
of cool. Actually, that is very cool. Yeah, I like that.
That's a good way to wrap up this discussion. Yeah,

(01:57:20):
that's the times I want to live in.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
It's a time I wouldn't mind going back to.

Speaker 1 (01:57:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Yeah, so we've gotten a sense. But what are your
thoughts on Karate Kid Part two? Some thirty what is
it forty four years after its release?

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
No thoughts? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
Oh, I thought you were pussing that to the audience
for people to write in and share their thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
I was like, yeah, I'd really love to hear that too.
I was like, I'll let Brian ponder, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
Do think this series goes from relatively grounded human drama
to a little bit of a caper in Japan, and
I acknowledge that. But I, like I said, I think
the leads are just so damn compelling and so lovable,
and I enjoy spending time with them and just enjoy
observing their chemistry. It's just so fun. And there's enough

(01:58:21):
great moments that happen in this movie that over dinner,
if I'm thinking about this movie, I'm probably just gonna
remember the good stuff that puts it over the top
for me. While acknowledging that, yes, I mean it, it
is also a little it's certainly sillier than the first
one and maybe just a little bit silly period. So
ultimately thumbs up for me, but I acknowledge that could

(01:58:44):
be nostalgia talking.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Well, I think once you decide to take the Karate
Kid ride, I mean you got to you gotta make
all the stops. Yeah, And what I will offer is
that if you plan to watch Cobra Kai, well you
really got to watch all the movies. Sure, you know so,
I think if nothing else, we say, well, this is
one more opportunity for you and I to have a conversation,

(01:59:08):
and it just teases us up to talk through the
third one. Whenever we get around to that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
I'm into that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
I need to revisit that for sure, you know, but
going back to what Brian was alluding to before, let
us know your thoughts. Listeners to Karate Kid Part two
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Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
There you go, And if you're looking for me online,
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That's the Aki S Corner. You can also read my
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Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
Oh yeah, episodes I've written of Young Jedi Adventures are
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Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
There you go, and with that on behalf of my
partner Brian Holl. My name is Zachia. This has been
our movie film, a commentary track for Karate Kid Part two.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
We'll catch you next time. Thanks folks,