Ep. 317: Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning - The MovieFilm Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome Friends, its podcast podcasting don show Jackie again by Yeah,
they're talking to Mom Black.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three seventeen, brought to you
by Mister Boy Productions. I'm Zachy you sign him here
with Brian Hall.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Hey, how's it going, Zachie?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, it's it's We're We're in the thick of summer
movie season now.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah. I can't believe we're already here again.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
If you remember, it's already a year ago. We were
talking about we were talking about Kingdom of the Planet
of the Apes. We were talking about uh furiosa.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, wow, yeah, and that was Uh. I'm still kind
of surprised at how that one underperformed.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I remain not surprised at all that it underperformed.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Noah, I know, and I know, I know, but I
still I don't know or at least as badly as
it did. I just that it's one of those things,
and I feel like I'm pretty good. When I listen to,
you know, other film podcasts or film people talk and
they feel like, oh, yeah, this thing is very popular
and everyone's going to see this, I can sort of

(01:11):
be like, oh no, no, no, like you you are
definitely living in film Twitter or whatever sphears and you
have this impression that this is going to be a
big thing, But I don't. I don't think so. But
I will admit that that's one that I think I got
a little lost in because most people I know really
like Fury Road, So I didn't think this was going

(01:32):
to be some half a billion dollar blockbuster. But I
definitely didn't see it doing as poorly as it did.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
For as much as I loved that movie, and I
liked it a lot, yeah, I would have been more
surprised if it turned out to be a hit.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah. No, I mean maybe it's hindsight now correcting it
in my brain, but I can see it a little bit.
And especially because it was different than Fury Road, it
really was a little more story driven, whereas the first
one was just this like stunt spectacular.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, Fury Road was an experience exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I mean the biggest bummer is is that this probably
spells the end of George Miller's Mad Max stories, you know,
being being brought to the big screen, which I think
would be a damn shame.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah. Yeah, And it sounds like he does have at
least one other story of his sleeve.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So yeah, we're saying a year later, if you haven't
seen Furiosa, watch it.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's awesome. If you like Fury Road, I don't see
how you wouldn't like it. Yeah, honestly, now, I was
gonna stay real quick. For some reason, this was making
me think this is so unrelated. But we've had people
chime in and ask for a pops haul review for

(02:49):
a Mission Impossible? Was it Dead Reckoning Part one? I
said what my dad thought and dial Destiny. I gave
my dad's review, and people were like, what else your dad?
I feel in these days? And I hadn't had anything
for a while, but I read that there's going to
be a sequel to Greyhound, the dad movie of all
dad movies, a submarine movie on Apple TV Plus and

(03:14):
so anyway, I sent the article that a sequel was
coming to my dad, and I mean it was like
telling him that Christmas was tomorrow. He was he you
know what's funny, my dad doesn't rewatch movies. He's you know,
I'll even suggest, like, oh, you know the new Mission
Impossibles coming out, I want you to watch the first one again.
I rewatched it recently it's so good. I think you'll enjoy.

(03:34):
You haven't seen it in like decades, And he's like, no,
I saw it. You know that that's kind of his thing.
Greyhound he's seen three times.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Wow. Okay, so that that is a very high praise.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
He loves that movie. And yes, so Pops is very
much anticipating. Oh yeah, I mean, well, it was really good.
I know we talked about it. I liked that movie
a lot, and I remember that movie isn't like super
action packed per se, and there is action that happens.
But what I would say the hook of that movie
is is it really digs into what was it really

(04:08):
like to be on a submarine in World War Two
and what was the technology like and how did they
communicate to one another and how did they relay information
from one side of the vessel to the other, And
you know, it really gets into the nuts and bolts
of that, and that itself kind of becomes thrilling, you know,
because there's so much effort involved.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
And it's just Tom Hanks being being everybody's dad. Yep,
on a submarine, on a submarine. Yeah. You know what's funny?
That movie completely something in my mind because because My
dad comes over every once in a while and I'll
put on some kind of movie we can watch together,
and you know, and he likes that same type of stuff,
you know, so I'll be like, we watched nineteen seventeen,
and we watched oh gosh, oh thirteen Days, you know,

(04:51):
stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, his historical dramas. And I'm like,
and he loves Tom Hanks, so I'm like, how did
we think of putting on Greyhound? You would love that?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Mm hmm. Yeah, it's it's a good one. I should
I should revisit that, yeah, you know. And speaking of
dad movies, I saw an early review for F one
and it was very high praise. Really yeah, every time
I see the trailer, I feel like I'm forgetting about
that movie, and and then I'm like, oh, no, I bet,

(05:19):
I bet that's gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I mean the direct that's literally like, every time I
see the trailer, I'm like, oh, yes, I'm going to
be enjoying.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
This exactly exactly, And I don't even know how to
put into words the vibe it gives me, but sort
of that top gun Maverick vibe where it's like, no,
this is literally for everybody. It's gonna make you stand
up and cheer by the end of it, you know,
And I get that sense, and from the thing that
I saw, yeah, they really enjoyed it. So it's I

(05:48):
even had to look up when is this coming out?
I know it's I just I see the trailer and
I just know it exists, but it's it's coming into
of June. So now I'm my anticipation for that is rising.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Uh yeah, so well that that's like we said, there's
lots lots of good summer movies coming up. But speaking
of that, have you seen any any of the late
spring movies that that sparked your fancy?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah, well, I've seen quite a bit of thing. So
I'll try to go through some of this a little quickly,
but I do want to call out after we did
our Karate Kid Part two commentary that evening, I watched
Karate Kid Part three, which I had not seen. Wow
you assume actually you know, I was texting you.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
I'm just to go. It's one thing to wait five
years between movies and be like, oh man, but I
mean that's that's like stepping forward off a cliff and
not realizing it's a sheer drop.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
You know. Yes, Well, as I mentioned in the commentary,
I was surprised to learn that Part two is held
in lesser esteem than I realized, because it was a
childhood classic for me, even recognizing that it's not even
on the same you know, playing field as the first one.
But so I watched Part three, hadn't I had not
seen this since the theater with my family in nineteen

(07:08):
eighty nine, So in.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Thirty six years, thirty six years, I.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Couldn't believe how much I remembered for starters, but this
one man Like, so if we talked about Part two
veering from sort of a ground part one being grounded
more or less, and Part two veers into slightly cartoonish
territory in terms of its story and its characters and
the way they behave Part three is like a Hannah

(07:35):
Barbara cartoon. Like this movie. The villain, the way he's like,
you know, we'll drive Daniel into the ground, you know,
kind of a characterization. And like there's a moment where Crease,
who's like trying to get revenge, calls the villain on
a cell phone make his knuckles bleed. Well, okay, yes,
he says that line while he's being massaged by women

(08:00):
in like what looks like a TGIF TV show set
for Hawaii. You know, there's like two plastic palm trees,
two women in hula skirts like kiving of a sage
for some reason really like TV lighting, and him just
like yeah, make him pay, make his knuckles bleed. I
just it was, like you say, it was such a

(08:24):
like I. After we posted part two, I saw some
comments that three is a guilty pudget for people, and
I'm glad, you know, but it was a precipitous drop
I feel from two, and I can understand why that
one hasn't lived as much in the consciousness.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Well, well, I will say two things. Number One, the
next Karate Kid makes Karate Kid Part three look like
the bang of his Namberson's.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
I have not seen that one. The only thing that
could get me to watch that is more Pat Marita.
But it's worth it for him.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
I would agree with that last time seeing him play
at Miyagi, So there is that, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
The other thing I'll say is, and I think I
said this in our commentary track, but Cobra Kai the
television series allows you to contextualize Part three in such
a way where where it's it's part of the tapestry
as opposed to the entire rug.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know, I think that's incredible. And I don't know
if they've given out the Nobel Peace Prize this year
for television for pulling that off. You know, maybe they'll
be in contention, but no. But in all seriousness, I
do want to watch that series and I believe it.
I believe that they can take the components there and
weave it all together into something interesting. And by the way,

(09:43):
the villain, I'm criticizing the villain, but like he's doing
what it's asked of him, and he's doing it well.
It's just does not mesh at all with the tone
that we've gotten in previous installments.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
So that's that's the thing, right, It's like going from
from Rocky one straight to Rocky four, you.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Know, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well and and and to that point, like like that's
what later installments allow is to say, Okay, well this
thing that didn't work, we can find a way to
weave it in and have it more, you know, have
it work retrospectively. And a Cobra Kai is made by
people who just rejoice in the whole franchise.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
And and this is the thing that I say this
about Star Wars all the time. I'm like, look, it
never truly ends. And so even if you have an
entry that doesn't work so well, you can you can
improve it, you know, by virtue of adding later stories
down the line.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, it's it's added toys to the toy box, and uh,
you know, maybe someone else who picks up that toy
will find an interesting way to integrate it into the play.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think I mentioned this to you. I'm going through
the saga with with my daughter.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh yeah, yes, because she saw Revenge of the Sith. Yeah,
that was her first theaters.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
And so that was her first full Star Wars movie.
I mean, she's been exposed to Star Wars all her life,
but that was her first movie. Okay, And again she says,
my favorite character is Anakin.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
She loves Anakin.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
That makes sense. That was our point, Yeah, exactly right.
And we remember being kids and being like, oh, you know, mannequin, Skywalker, whatever,
all the stuff that people said, right right, Not you
and I personally, we were above that sort of tomfoolery.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
And there's no record for it. Anyway, because we hadn't
sarted the podcast yet, so yes.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
And no social media, so our hands are clean. But
I truthfully I did not in fact call it Hayden
Christensen mannequin Skywalker. However, I'm being honest. I wasn't blown
away by his performance in those films.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I think even at the time you and I agreed
that it wasn't the performers.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
You know, maybe if someone did push them a little
bit in different ways, maybe there'd be different results.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But I think there was a better way to say
I'm so in love with you. Yeah, you know, there's
a few you know. I don't know that Olivia could
have delivered.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
That line convincingly, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But I've been going through with her and she liked
the original trilogy just fine. We're two thirds of the
way through the sequel trilogy, and so we just watched
Last Jedi and she enjoyed it, and she's looking forward
to the next one, right, And my point is she
it kind of bears out my hypothesis to some extent
where she's not watching these movies with decades of waiting whatever.

(12:40):
She's just it's all, this is the next one, and
here's the next one, and then whenever that ray movie
comes out, that'll be the next one.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
You know. Yeah, these aren't new there aren't new ones. Yeah,
they just all exist.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
They just all exist. And so she's able to just
sort of take it in that way. And and I
think that's been very instructive because she, for her, she's
viewing Star Wars with a yes and mentality, you know, oh, Okay,
this thing okay, and what else is there? Oh there's
this okay, and what else is there? You know, Oh,

(13:12):
there's an Obi wan Kenobi show. Okay, when are we
gonna watch that? You know, Like she's doing that.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Wow, what a wonderful trade off for her generation. They're
going to inherit the bleak future we're leaving for her, like,
but she gets experienced Star Wars in the most innocent
and lovely way.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
You're welcome kids, You're welcome generation. So that's I'm honestly
looking forward to watching Rise of Skywalker with her and
just getting her perspective on it.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
You know, I would too, and because I know it's
it's the virtue of them being newer and me not
connecting with all the newer characters in the same I
couldn't possibly connect with those characters the same way that
I did with lukhn leiaut right, Yeah, but I would
kind of curious when it's all sudden done, who she

(14:02):
responds to, yeah, the most, And you know, switching from
a laser focus on Anakin Skywalker and then all of
a sudden, we don't even see his face for like
three movies. Now it's all about Luke. Like did she go, okay,
well that it's about Luke and now I'm into Luke,
you know, Or was it like I kind of wish
we were spending a little more time with Anakin.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Well see, that's the cool thing is is for her,
her concept of the saga is characters come and go, mm,
they get older, they die, and new characters. And I think,
I think that's just that's just really cool, you know,
totally yeah, you know, and and it completely it's utterly
different from how we thought of the franchise when we

(14:44):
were kids. Because for us, when we were kids, it
was Star Wars is Han, Luke, layout and Chewy and whatever.
That's Star Wars, you know, And and when the prequels
came out, that required a shift. And and you know,
obviously whatever happened to the sequels is happened. But again,
it's like there's so many entry points, right, there's so many.

(15:07):
I don't know about you, if you've followed the conversation
surrounding and Or.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
A little bit, you know, just in terms of all.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Lapsed fans who've come in through that or people who've
never seen who, that is their entry point to Star
Wars full stop. Yes, and it's amazing. Yeah, yeah, I
can imagine going from and Or, which is about as
grounded as Star Wars has ever been, to you know,
Rogue one, which gets a little more fanciful, and then
right into Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, Like I don't even know how that would play.
I'm curious.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Well, someone you I don't remember who it was, but
someone in your life was doing that, right, like their
wife had not seen Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
And the Yeah that's right, my brother in law, that's right.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
How's that going? Do you know? I mean, I don't know.
I haven't gotten the update, but I'm curious. I've thought
of that several times. I'm still only about maybe like
a third through and Or, Okay, and I.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Was thinking season one or season two, season.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Two, and I was wondering you know how that would
play going from this into I want to go to
Tashi Station to get some power converters, you know, like
I was curious.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
So, so, what do you think so far about it?
You're you'll only watch the first arc so far?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I am. I'm through episode.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Five, okay, so halfway through the second arc.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, I'll be entirely honest. I wasn't quite latching onto
it with the first three episodes.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I yeah, that's all table setting, Yeah, table.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Setting and also wheel spinning perhaps, like I mean like
and or gets, you know, stuck on this planet with
these rebels who are squabbling, and they squabble for multiple episodes,
and I was really like, oh, we're really going to
stretch this out, Like this feels like a one episode
kind of issue.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, and it's like two and a half or something
right like.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Something like that, and it basically ends with you know,
them playing rock paper scissors literally and then him getting away.
And I was like, wow, they spent millions of dollars
on that, you know, like they really felt like that
needed to be told, and so it sounds very harsh
what I'm saying. But then when I got into like
it felt like they didn't need to be three episodes.

(17:20):
I felt like that could have been everything that happens
in three episodes could have been about a two hour thing. Yeah. Sure.
And I was fine with everything that happened when it
was all said and done. And then when I started
getting into four and five, I was like, oh, here
we go. Yeah, like it felt like it was kind
of kicking into gear.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah, well that I was gonna say. I think when
you say wheel spinny, what I would say is it's
more like you know those cars that that you pull
back and then you let go and there sure, Sure,
it's a little bit of that, Like it's just those
first three episodes are pulling the car back.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah, because it's putting stuff in place, like even the
the bit with with and or on that planet. To me,
it's it highlights this idea of like there is no
re alliance. Yes, it's it's just disparate people who don't
know what the hell they're doing, right, And so you know,
I think, I think, what what the what the season

(18:12):
is bending towards is eventually it becoming an alliance.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, and then you have the more extreme rebels that
we see. Yeahs Whitaker and yeah, yeah, I do enjoy
all that. I just I felt like it was stretched
a little bit further than it needs to be. So
it was I'll go admit, it was hard for me
to always choose it every night. There were other things
like no, I hear you, but you know what's keeping
me going? So I just want to say real quick,

(18:36):
what's keeping me going is I know that you liked it,
and I know a lot of other people like where
it ultimately got. So I know that I'm investing in something.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Have you seen there's an episode where there's like a
party and a character has to surreptitiously get rid of
a listening device?

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Have you have you?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Have you?

Speaker 3 (18:56):
No? But I am anticipating that that was great. The
setup for that has happened. I'm sort of the reveal
and I was like, oh, like that was making my
stomach drop thinking about it. So I that was great.
The wedding stuff I thought was good. Everything with mon
Mathma was great. It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, I think I can't remember if I said it
to you, but I'm like, you know, ever since I
was a kid when I watched a Return of the Jedi,
and I saw mon moth. I give that briefing. I've
been like, but did she ever dance like a high
school girl at a raver? Yes? And she did, so
she did that box has been checked.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
And after selling off her daughter, she danced like no
one was looking.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I think I think Stelling Scar's guard is so good
in the show. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he
was good in the first season. But it's just I
just I love I love this character because he's so
unlike anything we've gotten in Star Wars before, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know, and that is I like what you said
about the Rebel The rebels are kind of a mess
at this point. They're not like cohesive, they're not you know,
they don't all have the same matching uniforms at this
point in leadership and whatnot. And so along those lines, yes,
we're seeing these people who are orchestrating this stuff behind
the scenes, and like they're not all entirely likable, you know,

(20:16):
they have methods that are a little like, oh, that's
kind of dark, but that's how this stuff becomes what
it becomes. You know. It's like you need some really
willful people getting it going, you know, and maybe even
doing some things that you don't agree with, And that's
one of the things that I really like about this show.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Yeah, you know, there there is a moment where, and
this is the in the wedding storyline, where essentially Stellin
scar starts character Luth and he finds something out about
another character and essentially he tells mon Mathma. He conveys
to her like, you know, this guy might be a problem.

(20:59):
I kind of yeah, know.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
What you're gonna say?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
So and she's She's like, I don't know what you're
talking about or something, and he says, how very nice
for you or something like that. Yeah, yeah, you know
what I'm talking about. Yes, Yes, And I just I
just love I love that, like like the the meaning
in that line, you know, yep.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, he's he's gonna have to get his hands dirty.
She's not following, Yeah, and it's just sort of like,
how how lovely for you that you don't even have
to weary yourself with what I'm worrying or what I'm
about to carry out.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, he's like, how nice for you? You know?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah? That was good.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Uh, Tony Gilroy Man, he did a good job with
this show. So I'm glad you're enjoying. I'm looking forward
to discussing it once you're once you're fully in the
free and clear.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe I'll try in the next week
or so.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
And I'm curious if you end up going right into
Rogue one right after, you know what.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
I could see that, and I've always liked Rogue one,
And then we did the commentary for it, and that
really hit home because I hadn't seen it in several years, Like, wow,
this is even better than I remember. Yeah, yeah, that's
that's a really good one.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah it at this point. I mean, I think I
said it back then, but I firmly I'm like, Rogue
one plus and Or is the best thing.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Disney has done with the franchise. Yeah, I think so,
in my opinion. I'll mention it. Just a couple of
things real fast. Yeah, just lays through unless did you
have something?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Sorry, no, well I'll let you do your stuff. And
then I saw a few things.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Okay, just because these are sort of current. I saw
the Accountant too. Is it current? Is it current these
days when it's probably streaming two weeks after? But I
thought it was worth mentioning because we've talked about the
Accountant one. The account One, I think you and I
kind of agreed was good enough. You know, it felt

(22:42):
like a not bad T and T movie. So I
went into this like, heck, yeah, like you know, kind
of adult thriller, you know, no big special effects, ben
Affleck playing a character.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
I want to see Ben Affleck doing some math.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Act crunching numbers. But this one, if if IF part
one is a pretty good TNT movie. I would say
this one's an airplane movie at best. Wow.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Okay, the thumbs down on The Accountant too.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
I was really surprised and disappointed. Yeah. I don't know
that it's out and out bad, but it's just there's
some fun to be had throughout. But it's also I
found my mind wandering actually while I was watching it, and.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
It saw you saw this in the theater.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I saw it in the theater with a friend, and
I was thinking, oh, no, she's gonna like this, and
and I'm gonna have to be like, yeah, yeah, it
was fine, And as soon as it was over, she
was like, I don't want to put words in her mouth.
She listens to Busha. But I think we were pretty
much on the same page. And it's a weirdly constructed movie.

(23:53):
It kind of wanders around a little bit. It gets
into sort of, for a lack of a better comparison,
but sort of like rain Man brother hangout territory, where
you know, John Barrett is all just with more murdering.
Yeah we like yeah, frankly, you know, but there's moments where.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's a rain Man after the studio notes.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Yes, yes, like there's they try to have these brother
bonding moments, which are actually kind of fun. So there's
like this whole episode that happens at a western bar
and a fight breaks out and it's meant to be
about their brother's bonding. But I couldn't help but think, like,
aren't there like kidnap children you're supposed to be finding
right now? Why was spending so much time on this?

(24:33):
Like we can still have those moments, but maybe, you know,
maybe keep the urgency up. It just it felt like
the director's cut before they whittle it down to the tight,
sort of focused theatrical version or something like. There were
some moments where they let the actors meander a little
bit because I think that filmmakers thought it was comedic,
but I was like, let's go like this. I don't

(24:55):
know this is as funny as you think it is,
but and you know, the first one, I missed the
snap and the sweetness of the first one, Like I
felt like the first the first one had a clip
and it moved along and there was a niceweetness between
Anna Kendrick and Ben Affleck and I was kind of
missing that in this one. And then the inn the
third act, it gets into like a shootout that I
was like, there's I don't even understand what's happening. I

(25:16):
just feel like they shot people filming, or they filmed
people shooting for like seven minutes and then and.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
They shot people while filming.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
It's exactly but there's like no tension to it, no
geography to hold on to, and it and then they
you know, say the day and I don't know, it's
just fun kind of messy, surprisingly messy. And I had
seen good reviews for this, so I was a little surprised.
But at the same time, if they put out a
third one, I will show up on the hope that

(25:45):
you know, this is an intriguing premise, it's an intriguing character,
so hopefully it'll be a little stronger.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Okay, So so thumb's down on Accountant two, but bring
on Accountant.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Three kind of yeah, I mean I don't know if
that's yeah, Like, well again, off the totally perfectly fineness
of the first one. I could deal with another perfectly
fine adult thriller, frankly. And so this is already established.
He got the characters, he got the big star. Like
they try another swing, I will probably check it out.

(26:18):
There we go, all right? Two more real fast. I
saw the Conan O'Brien Mark Twain Awards ceremony on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Have you seen Oh sure, sure, yeah, I know I
didn't see it, but I know it's on there.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
This is just I mean, if you're a fan of
Conan and the people that he tends to the company
that he keeps, you know, this is just a I mean,
it's under ninety minutes long. It's just people going up
there and saying nice things about Conan or playing clips
from his show, and then Conan gets up at the
end and says, you know, some really nice things and
basically about how much the award means to him because

(26:52):
the type of person Mark Twain was, and it's just
an easy going, you know, nice thing to watch in
the evening on Netflix. And you know, I think I
was texting you because you sent me an unedited interview, yes,
with Conan and a journalist from the Today Show. I
want to say, I think that was Today Show. Yeah,
and it just really this special and that interview that

(27:13):
I did watch just really hit home something which is
why we've liked Conan for thirty plus years, which is
he is hilarious, and he's really very much our sense
of humor, and he's wacky, but he always continues to
surprise and he never punches down, you know, so what
he does always feels kind of fresh and timeless. But

(27:34):
he also just seems like he's got a good heart. Yeah,
you know, so through it all, as wacky and silly
and funny as he is, there's always a decency to
everything he's doing. And I really feel like I haven't
thought about that very much, but it's was illuminated to
me recently that that's probably a big reason why we
love him so much.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I think you're right, Yeah, you know, you know, I
when he left the The Tonight Show, you know, and
that came after all of that stuff that happened, but
you know, he gave kind of a final closing monologue
on that show, and from that day to now we're
talking whatever, sixteen years, I still remember what he said.
I carry those words with me. Yeah, we're number one.

(28:15):
When he talks about not being cynical because it's not
it's not a useful emotion, you know, and he says,
and this is from memory, he says, nobody gets one
hundred percent of what they want in life, but if
you work hard and your kind, amazing things will happen. Yep.
And I carry those words with me wherever I go. Yeah,

(28:39):
and I think he does embody them to a large extent.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I think so too. Yeah, it's uh, yeah, just I
just love the guy. It's you know, they talk about
celebrities who you'd be devastated if you learn anything negative about.
And there's some people where you're like, yeah, that tracks,
you know, but but with Connor, I would be devastated,
Like because I really appreciate not only just his humor

(29:01):
just as an entertainer, but I just appreciate someone who
is in the position that he is continuing to be
kind all these years and put out a positivity like
you just spoke about that has resonated with you all
these years.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, yeah, so that's fun.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
It's a really easy watch. I think fans of Conan
will enjoy it. And then lastly, I feel like I
should talk about this because it's a recent release and
it did really well this past weekend. I saw Final
Destination Bloodlines.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Okay, are you a Final Destination? Are you a an
fit head?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I was literally just about to ask you that because
I don't know. I yeah, I think I have seen
them all. You know, famously, we're not big horror guys,
even though I'm finding my tolerance is you know, I'm
becoming more tolerant to them in recent years for some reason.
But yeah, I have always kind of enjoyed these because

(29:55):
they're very clever. You know. It isn't about some person
in a mass stalking someone down, which is fine for
the people who enjoy that, but this is like a
real like Rube Goldberg. How can you step into a
room and find everything in it dangerous? Yeah? Right, And
there's something kind of clever and silly and fun about that,

(30:18):
you know. So it's like when someone walks into you know,
I'm just looking at my office, you know, it's just like, okay,
so then the pen falls onto the floor which connects
with the thing, which like there's a real fun in
being like, oh no, okay, what's happening? You know. So,
but what's interesting is the first ones from the two thousands,
I think we're a little more self serious, right, I mean,

(30:41):
the they embraced how crazy the things were, but the
characters in the movie were taking it very serious. And
I think over time with the sequels, they've become more
splatter comedies. And this one is very much that interesting.
I don't know that I would have checked this out,
but my friends want to go, so I went with them,
and it was fine. It was totally fine. I had

(31:04):
a friend who likes the earlier ones a lot, and
he thought it was too silly, and because he had
heard it has like a ninety percent on Rotten Tomatoes
interesting and so I think he was.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And this is this is number six.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I couldn't tell you because it's they don't even call it.
It's like Final Destination, Bloodlines. So yeah, you know, I
don't even know, but I will say it is a
very clever conceit, which is basically the opening sequence is
in the past, and this woman saves all of these
people from this You know, a big, huge group of

(31:39):
people in this location, which this is the best sequence
in the whole movie, basically in the Space Needle. It's
not the Space Needle, but it's like the Space Needle
in Seattle, and there's like, you know, this sixties band
playing shout as everyone's dancing on a glass floor, which
is a genius idea, so high up in the air. Yeah,
just so many things as that could go wrong, and
she saves all of them. And then you realize all
the past Final Destination movies is death catching up with

(32:03):
all the people who survived, the relatives of the people
from that thing in the.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Past, which bloodlines, Okay, blood lines.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I was like, that's that's good, that's clever. And another
thing they did was this isn't just a gang of teens.
This is like a family. Okay, so there's an uncle
and aunt, you know, cousins, and it added like a
unexpected sweetness to all of it because they're family and
they really care about each other and they're close in
a certain way that only family could be. And I

(32:32):
kind of enjoyed that. And I have to call out
for anyone who's seen it. I won't spoil it, but
they can appreciate this. But there's like this one moment
where everyone's questioning this girl, like, oh, okay, so we're
walking on this open sidewalk and somehow death is gonna,
you know, catch up with us with the things on
this street. How could it possibly do that? And she's like, well,
I don't know. So she starts looking around and calling

(32:55):
out all the things that she sees, like these kids
playing soccer and a leaf blower and this and that
and whatever, and the movie finds this really funny way
to support everything that she's saying. That was so funny.
It basically plays out like a naked gun gag. Okay,
like kind of out of focus in the background, and
I was clapping. It was so unexpected and funny. But

(33:17):
at the end of the day when it ends, you're like, okay,
you know what I mean, Like I just watched a
bunch of people get squished. Yeah, you know it. It's
so like, if this is your bag, you'll probably enjoy it,
and if not, you're probably not going to miss anything.
But uh, you know, I had my fun with it.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Low risk glow reward sounds like yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well I want to ask you, Yeah, do you have
a relationship with these movies at all.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
I saw the first one. Sean recommended it to me
way way back in the day, and so I saw
it through him and I did enjoy that. I think
I saw the second one.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yeah, that's the one with the logs on the on
the highway, right like pretty iconic, Yeah right, yeah, thing.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, I don't remember which which one was it with
the with the garbage disposal in this.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Oh my gosh, they you know, I don't know if.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
That's one of them, but ever since I saw that,
I have this preternatural fear of garbage disposals.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah. Well, and the one that got me, I think
it was the first one, which was someone getting in
the shower and it has to do with you know,
the shampoo bottles slipping and making the floor slick, and
you know, just I do think about it from time
to time. So it's these things do get in your head.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, yeah, because because essentially, you know, some of these
movies are premised on let's let's do a whole movie
of just Darwin Award.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Stories totally totally, and environments you live in, so things
you have around your house, how can we have Yeah,
Rube Goldberg themselves into something that could kill you, that's right,
which is kind of kind of irresistible. I mean it's
kind of a genius idea.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah. Now Tony Todd is in this one, is that correct?

Speaker 3 (34:52):
He is? He has since passed.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
As final final appearance.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yes, and he does. He does look ill in it,
and it's kind of bittersweet seeing him, but you know,
he gives like a nice little apparently they had him
improvise a little bit, and he kind of gives his
own personal farewell in the film and advice to living life.
So he knew he was on his way out. Yeah,

(35:17):
and he's also, by the way, he's in that Indiana
Jones game, the Great Circle he plays.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
That was delightful to see.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, so that's Final Destination's number indeterminate indetermined. Yeah, well,
hey here's something I saw. Yes, and just this past week,
you know, they re released Kingdom of Heaven into theaters.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I didn't know that, Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yea, yeah, the really Scott movie, the Ridley Scott movie,
and it was the director's cut and I haven't seen
that in you know, nineteen years or whatever since they
released the director's cut. Whenever that was, and so you know,
I told my oldest son. I was like, dude, we
got to go see this. It's a great movie, you know,
and it is one of really Scott's best movies.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
I am disappointed because I didn't know this. I'm looking
right now in my app because I've never seen it
and it.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Was like a one night release.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Oh, because yeah, everyone says the director's cut is the
version to watch, and so oh, I would have been
there in heartbeat. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I was actually thinking of it because I think we
recorded our Mission Impossible commentary that day. Oh okay, okay,
and I just forgot to mention it to you. Okay, Well,
I still no excuse. I have to check it out.
But yeah, tell me about the experience. Well, it's first
of all, I mean, this is a movie that I wanted.
I wanted to watch it my son and and I'm

(36:35):
glad we watched it in the theatrical environment because it
really drives home how you know. It's it's three and
a half hours long or something like that, and you
just you need to be a captive of the screen
to really take it all in.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I think that I'm somebody who I didn't dislike the
theatrical cut. I did like it. I picked I picked
Kingdom of Heaven as one of my top movies of
that year. I think the director's cut is orders of
magnitude better. Sure in a lot of ways now it is.
It is historical mishmosh, you know, So don't don't look

(37:09):
at this as a document, but as a story of humanity.
I think it's tremendous, you know, I think, and I've
articulated this before, I think the problem still is that
Orlando Bloom is a good actor, and he's fine in
the lead. But I think you just you needed somebody
a little more seasoned, even like Orlando Bloom ten years older. Sure, sure,

(37:34):
but I can see the studio thinking of like, oh,
Orlando Bloom is like the hot young thing, right because
of Pirates of the Caribbean, et cetera. So slot him
in and I you know, I wouldn't say it it
it it wrecks the movie.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
But I do think about that a little bit, like,
you know, the movie maybe asks more of him than
he was able to give it at that point in
his life. But all of that outstanding, tremendous cast, and
you know, it's a story of the Second Crusade and
how Jerusalem was was retaken, you know, by the Saracens
after after the Christians had had it for you know

(38:12):
whatever one hundred years and and you know, I mean
it's ultimately it's it's a story about about people and
how how how you know, dogma can get in the
way of people just finding a way to coexist. I
think that's that's a message that feels sort of uniquely
timely these days, but lord knows it's it's timely all
the time. Sure, Yeah, I very much want you to

(38:36):
watch it because I I think you will enjoy.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
It, but I just want to be able to discuss
it with you. Yeah, okay, I'll try to get on
that soon. Yeah. That's just one of those ones that's
uh like always been there, Like hey, like, okay, that's
the thing I should get to.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yeah, you've seen neither theatrical nor director's cut. No, Yeah,
I mean it's it is. It's just a murderer's row
of great actors. I mean, you got Liam Neeson and
Jeremy Irons, Edward Norton is in there. Eva Green. First
time I ever saw Eva.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Green was in this movie. Oh wow, I didn't know,
you know, and just.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
A I'm sure I'm missing people whole bunch of people
who you will recognize, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Okay, okay, yeah, I mean I'm certain it's up my alley.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
So yeah, that's your assignment for our next regular show.
That sounds good, Get on that shit. And then I
also saw coming out this weekend, so it'll be out
by the time people are listening to this Leelo and Stitch.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Oh, I was really wishing I could catch it in
time for the episode. So I tell me what you think.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I thought it was fine. Oh really, I mean, I
you know, I'm I'm past the point of finding much
value in these Disney Live action remakes as anything other
than a cash grab. Sure, and so on that spectrum,
it's you know, it's not as good as The Jungle

(39:58):
Book or maybe Cinderella.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Uh huh, it's better than.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Mufasata be Yeah, it's better than Mufasa, better than The
Lion King, Yeah, better than Pinocchio. You know, there's a
mecash that was rough. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I'm still
I think ultimately, when a movie ends, it has to
and have answered the question, is this preferable to the

(40:24):
animated version, and I don't know that it is. It's not.
If you like the animated one, I suspect you.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Like this, you know it's funny because people I've talked
with about this one, it seems to be the consensus
is I don't typically like that Disney just remakes all
their animated movies into live action films. But I could
see this one being a good case for it. Not
that it needs it, but this could be a fun

(40:51):
movie to also experience in live action in a slightly
different way. But it sounds like it doesn't really no.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
I mean it's like a net neutral, is what I
would say. So I guess on the spectrum of these movies,
that's a good thing, right, because it doesn't make it worse.
There aren't any changes I can think of that are
that are like, egregiously worse. There's a few like that.
You've seen the animator, right, Yeah, yeah, I like the
alien guys who are after Stitch. Yeah, take take human

(41:21):
form in this. So that's how you get Zach Galfanakis
and Billy magnuson. Sure, And that's like fine, you know, sure,
it's you know, it's it's not a it's a change,
but it's not necessarily a bad change. I do like
that they found a way to include Tia Carrera and
Jason Scott Lee oh.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
In key roles. I appreciated that. Oh that makes me happy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
And Chris Sanders, you know he who I interviewed just
last year. He directed the you know, the Wild Robot.
He is the voice of Stitch, and they brought him back,
so he's doing his Stitch thing.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Nice. Nice.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
And the little girl who plays Leelo, her name is
Maya Kaloha. She is a durable Oh yeah, yeah. And
so I the movie is like totally fine. I don't
feel like I needed to see it.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Even I took I took my daughter and my younger
and my my I was gonna say youngest son, my
my second to youngest son, uh and they were like, man,
it was fine. That was their reaction. Okay, So make
of that what you will.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Well. I really enjoy the animated one because it feels,
especially for Disney, it just feels like it has its
own special personality, like it doesn't feel like other Disney
films in the best way. It has like so many
quirks to it, and and like even like a little
bit of menace, you know, and and that's so much fun,
you know, like Stitches cuddly, but he's also like like

(42:47):
a real rascal and he really messes things up. And
so does Leelo. You know, she can be a little
dark sometimes and quirky and interesting, and so yeah, I
was kind of curious what that would feel like in
a in a live action interpretation of it.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I think they kept most of that right, So I
think there's worse ways to spend an afternoon.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
And it's it's.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Not an insult to the original, but it doesn't to
me answer that essential question of do we need to
remake it?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
I would say, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I didn't get anything out of this that I didn't
already get out of the animated one.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Okay, Okay, Well, I'll definitely check it out at some point.
And I'm so curious. I mean, obviously it's going to
do well, but I'm curious how well, like is this
going to be like a complete obliteration.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Or well, it's it's a good counter programming against Mission Impossible.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
So yeah, it seems like two of the biggest movies
of the summer head to head.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
None, Yeah, it doesn't. It hasn't happened in a while.
We had Barbenheimer a couple of summers ago. Yeah, and
now we have a stitch Stitching Impossible Impossible.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Be Yeah, I'm curious if you end up watching it though.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
One last thing I wanted to mention was the series
duster On on Max.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Yeah. I'm very curious about this.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah. So this is the this is the name of
jj Abrams and LaToya Morgan series set in the seventies,
and the entire premise is let's just have Josh Holloway
be really cool.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
So Josh Holloway he was, he was un lost, he
played Sawyer. He was like the embodiment of cool.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Oh totally right.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Uh, and then it feels like he went away.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah. I remember he was in Mission Impossible four. I
want to see yeah for like a minute. Yeah. Yeah,
it was sort of a yeah, he's just in the
opening sequence.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, they did the jj Abrams thing where you have
you prominently place a familiar face and then and then
kill him off.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Yeah. But but it's it felt very welcome, like everyone
was like, oh cool, like this is we want to
see this guy. But then we just didn't. I hadn't
done much for Yeah, I don't know what he has
appeared on. I remember he was in Yellowstone for like
a mini arc, but it's surprising, for as beloved as
he was that we didn't see him more.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, So it feels like the premise of this literally was,
let's find something to wrap around Josh Holloway. And so
you know, he's he's like a getaway driver for a
seventies crime.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Boss come on and yeah, right, so perfect.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
And so it's it's like a caper series. And I
did a review of this for the for the Ramp.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. A lot of fun. And I'm like,
I'm like, we got the Pit earlier this year, we
got Duster right now. Both the Max shows about as
different as they can be, with the common thread being
you get like a charismatic actor people like, and you

(45:44):
wrap a compelling premise around him and you just see
what happens. You know.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
What I like about it too, is that they don't
feel like HBO shows. Yeah, you know, and I mean
that in a good way. I feel like HBO was
starting to get a little.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Well, it's not HBO, it's Max. Well, we will come
back to that later in the episode. Yeah, but everything
called foreshadowing everybody.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Yeah, just everything was getting relentlessly dark, and it's like
if it doesn't have incest, is it hbo? You know,
like it it was just so oppressively, like hard, and
I love that these are I don't know, it feels
like they're spreading their wings a little bit.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I think you will enjoy Duster, is it we Well.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Actually I do have a question because it does feel
a little bit different than this sort of yeah, relentlessly heavy,
oppressive stuff. But is it is it gritty? Is it light?
Is it? What's the tone? Is it a comedy?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Is it as It's not a comedy, but it it
It has a it steps a little more nimbly, you know.
It's uh, there's sort of a Tarantino meets Coen Brothers vibe.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Oh interesting, Okay, right.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
You know there there is a storyline that plays out
over the over the season, and so you're following that,
but but you you know, it's not just about Josh Hollow,
It's about these other characters. Keith David plays the crime
boss and come on, just give me Keith David saying
anything and I'll watch you know. Uh, it checks a

(47:13):
lot of the boxes, you know I and you know it.
The season ends in a way where it wraps things up,
but also there's room for more. So I'm like, yeah,
I want more. I'd watch another season of this, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
I think I'm gonna watch this tonight. Yeah, check it out,
check it out. It sounds like something I'm in the
mood for. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
But yeah, So with that, Hey, we got some listener letters.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I believe you have been looking for me.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Eighteen thousand letters, all addressed.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
You've got me.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
So here Here was a message I got before we
even get to our letters. Here was a message I
got from Pervez, who listens to the show and he's
guessed on the show a few times, and he says,
I got to thank you for my recent foray into
the filmography of a dashing Scottish lad named Gerard Butler.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Okay, look at.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
This, he says, Den of Thieves was my entry drug.
Then the sequel, then Plane, then Greenland. The last two movies.
I was like, these movies have no business being this good.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
And those are the two I haven't seen, so I
need to because I really enjoyed both Den of Thieves film.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, so you definitely gotta watch Plain and Greenland. You'll
enjoy both of those. Okay, but that is gratifying to
know I'm not a crazy person.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
No.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, you were really stumping for him a couple episodes ago,
So I gotta catch up with Parvez. Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
So here's a message we got at the movie on
podcast at gmail dot com from Alex Nam, who says,
good morning gents. During the most recent Thunderbolts episode, you
spoke about the trailer for Tron ares and it reminded
me that this is a major blind spot in my
pop culture viewing. I've never seen a Tron film in
my life. I've also never seen any of the Evil

(49:02):
Dead films.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Wait, you have to have mentioned what he wrote.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
He wrote c audible gasp.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Because I did. That's why I was like, Oh, I
didn't hear the gasp. I made like a sound.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
But when I saw that he wrote a Q gasp,
I was like, Oh, you have to go.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
You gotta do that for both of those, but Tron
and Evil did. I must appeal to your impeccable judgment
and ask which of these colde classic franchises I should
prioritize watching first. I'm also starting to think that I
too should watch Cobra Kai boy, oh boy, my schedule
is getting packed. Thank you for your time and for
the outstanding work you do. There should be statues built

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in your honor.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Thanks Alex, thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
You know, you know the President put out an executive
order to build a Garden of Heroes statue with garden
the statues of American heroes?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Is that true? I haven't even that is a real.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Thing, end I'm making that up. So I'm going to say,
you know, maybe maybe we should we should put ourselves
on that shortlist.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Or at the very least, in the middle of the night,
we should sneak in some statues of ourselves and see
if I would notice this.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
That might that might work work better?

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Oh kay. So, so as far as the Tron, whether
to watch Tron or Evil Dead? Now, if if my
memory serves, you've not seen any of the Evil deads
or you've seen Army of Darkness.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
I was gonna say I have seen Army of Darkness.
I can't really answer this question because I've I've seen
all of the Tron films, yes, but all two of them. Well, yeah, Actually,
as I was saying it, I was realizing, yeah, there's
like two. But I've seen both Tron films and one
Evil Dead film when there's well very.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Dead in it, it's yeah, yeah, it's more of a
more of a romp.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah, you know, I just they've never really felt like
they would be my thing, so I haven't checked them out.
So actually, I guess I have to ask you. I mean,
what do you think? And and and and fill me
in too, how how should I should checkout?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
I'm I mean, I I think they're fine. I I
think the second one is basically a remake of the
first one, right, just with with more money. So, of
those two, I prefer the second one. But it's you know, honestly,
I'll tell you something. The Evil did those three Samuraimi ones.
It's very much a reflection or or or it evokes

(51:23):
to me what George Miller did with the first three
Mad Max movies.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Mmm.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
So the first one is real, you know, down down
to the ground, gritty, low budget showing what this guy
can do with no money. Second one, give him a
little bit of a bigger budget. He can cut loose
a little bit more and the third one, studio money
comes in. We gotta we gotta gussy it up a little,
make it a little more family friendly.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Wow, what a perfect comparison.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
It's it. It's like one to one.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, that's funny. You know.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So so certainly as as I think both of us,
we appreciate Sam Raimi quite a bit. And if you
want to see the Petri Dish in which he was
he was birthed, you know it's worth watching. I'm not
in love with those movies. I reviewed Evil Dead whatever.
The last one was I forget what it's called, Evil
Dead Rise, which was not directed by Sam Ramy, but

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it was just too much for me.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Yeah. They kind of revel in uh like liquids, right,
like kind of grotesque sort of people. Well, I mean
it makes me think of what's that movie with Alison
Lohman and she's the bank teller Send Me to Hell. Yes,
it was all about people puking and other people dragged
me to drag me to hell? Yeah? Yeah, is that

(52:41):
with Justin Long? I am pretty sure. I only saw
it once a long time ago, but it's it's like
kind of not my flavor. Yeah, I can see, especially
with the Army of Darkness. It's it's got a real funny,
silly quirkiness to it, and I totally get why people
enjoy it, but it's just not quite my thing, I guess.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah, So I think they're worth watching just in terms
of your ones film education, you know, sure, But i'd
be very curious, actually, Alex, not having seen Tron, That's
actually what I'm most curious about. You're coming and completely cold.
What does one make in twenty twenty five of that
first movie from nineteen eighty two, So I'm like invested

(53:24):
in what Alex thinks of that movie.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I second that completely because I saw it when I
was a kid, so I've always liked it. Yeah, probably
seen it as an adult, maybe once or twice. We
at least once, but maybe twice. And you know, the
tempo's a little probably slower than what people would be
used to these days. Obviously, the visual effects are not

(53:46):
where we are now, but they're It's the only movie
that looks the way it looks that's right, And I
just find that compelling on its own in twenty twenty five,
So I would be super curious. I hope Alex checks
it out and lets us know please let us know.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yeah, here's a message we got from Dan Keatis, also
in mo Film podcast g Motter Comedy says, I's.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Acting, Brian.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Don't get me wrong. I'm always happy to listen to
a movie film commentary, even if you guys are talking
about a film I've never seen listening to two great
friends with a deep knowledge and love of send him
as always a welcome accompaniment to my train journey, dog walk, cooking,
or any other time I feel like stuffing you into
my ears.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Thanks for that.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
However, your recent Mission Impossible commentary was elite tear.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I loved your discussion of the film, the franchise and
how our expectations of a series and film in general
have changed as the franchise has gone on. I was
also great to see your appreciation of William Dunlow, played
by actor Rolf Saxon, and I'm so glad he's returning
to our screens in the latest film, the one that's
coming out this weekend. Rolf is actually a friend of
my former acting coach way back in the day, and

(54:51):
was nice enough to reply to me a few years
back when I sent him some gushing fan mail on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Oh, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, he says.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
You see, Dunlow is not the only character that Rolf
has been playing since nineteen ninety six. Since that time,
he's lent his warm, dulcet tones to the voice of
George Stoubart in the Broken Sword video game series, a
series of popular point and click adventure games that are
especially beloved by gamers of a certain age here in
the UK. Oh and one more thing, I have to
confess I do have a particular fondness for Mission Impossible too.

(55:23):
I have to admire it's commitment to being as two
thousand as a film from two thousand could possibly be.
From limp biscuits gleeful butchering at the Mission Impossible theme
to the ever pressing need to add as many extreme
sports into the plot as possible. It takes me back
to a time when we all had spiky hair and
goateease and thought that we were living in the future,
before the world found itself in an unceasing chain of

(55:45):
economic perma crises. Anyway, thanks for everything you do and
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on Final Reckoning.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Have a great day. Oh thanks Dan, that was really fun.
That makes me really happy about Rolf Saxon.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, good for him.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, I mean we were really you know, remarking on
just he plays this character that could be easily like
just oh, the guy who has to leave the room,
but somehow he just brings something more to it where
he just becomes really memorable and sympathetic. Yeah, and it
stuck with me ever since I first saw that character.
When I think of the first Mission Impossible and the
things I remember, I remember him and so that's and yeah, apparently,

(56:25):
I mean he has his own character poster for the
upcoming Mission Impossible. Well what we're about to talk about,
and so yeah, I really appreciate knowing that that you
connected with him, and then he's a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
And I think your connection to Mission Impossible too. I'm
just gonna say, bless your heart.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
You know I would. This isn't going to be a
defense of it. I just I think I always feel
like I'm putting it down because I'm trying to cover
bases when.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I'm I know other people. I know other people who
love it. So so Dan is not alone at all.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah. Yeah, Well, because for example, my my brother's wife,
she's not seen any of them, so they're going through
them right now. So I think just as a shorthand,
I was sort of like, oh, well, Mission Impossible two
is not good, just almost so she understands that it's
not like the others. And I don't love a lot
of the things that are in it, but you do,
almost like Batman and Robin, you almost kind of have

(57:24):
to appreciate it as this singular object. Sure that is
true to itself or something. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, I think Dan's mention of extreme sports is very
funny because I didn't. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
I didn't like clock that and.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Then yeah, you know, it's like yeah, because a Triple
X that was like yeah, you're a couple of years later, right,
and kind of in that same same window.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, yeah, because I mean the opening, you know, is
him on that mountaintop free climbing and then basically he
gets his mission on like these oakly glasses and like
you know, mission accepted and throws them at the screen
and they blow up. You know, it really is, It's
just a different thousand. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, Well, at some point we're going to be revisiting
that one, you know, on this shows.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
I think that's gonna be fun. That's a coming.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Here's a comment we got on YouTube, and this was
in reference to our commentary track from Many Moons Ago
for Batman Returns from nineteen ninety two. Oh, this is
a great thing about, you know, putting these commentary tracks
out there. Sometimes people discover them way down the line
and it's a whole new engagement, you know. So this
is from Luke's mail twenty four. He says, my dad

(58:33):
actually worked on the merchandising for this movie. WHOA yeah,
he says, me, being a huge fan of the eighty
nine movie, was eleven years old and as a kid,
was so thrilled when I found out he would be
working on it.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
He was fortunate to visit.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
The sets when filming, and one thing he said to
me was the little details which unfortunately really can't be
seen in the movies, such as in the Shrek office
there were screws everywhere, and the implying was that Shrek
is screwing everyone over.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Unfortunately, when he told me all the sets were indoors,
it really affected how I finally viewed the film, because
I even thought the sets were impressive, they always felt
on stage to me very much I remember very Yeah,
I remember him saying the big problem he had with
the film is how you ended up having more simpathy
for the penguin than anyone else nowadays, after so many
superhero movies, I can't help but feel maybe that helped

(59:21):
make the film stand out. I can totally identify it
with the torm relationship you guys have with it. Great commentary.
Ever thought of doing a commentary for the nineteen sixty
six movie.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
I love this, This is great. I would have been
freaking out as a kid getting to learn new things
in such like an exclusive way about an upcoming Batman movie. Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah. So as far as the sets, I can't remember
if I said this on the commentary, but it's certainly
how I feel. I feel like the movie it's like
it's set inside a snow globe.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, that feels familiar you saying that, And that's so apt,
you know, Yeah, I mean it clearly. He feels like
it's on a stage at Warner Brothers, like eaven the
you know, where the mayor's giving his speech or whatever,
and the Christmas tree all that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, And and I think that what what what he
says about, you know, the movie standing out I think
that's sort of That's what I like about it, is
that it's just a completely unique Batman movie out of
all of the many Batman movies.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean it feels even different than the
other Tim Burton Batman and the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Other Tim Burton one exactly. And and and you know
you mentioned Batman and Robin just a couple of minutes ago.
I think that's that's what's great about all the all
the Batman movies is you know, they're just doing something different.
They're all Batman, yep, but they're all kind of you know,
they got just like a different gear that they're in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Yeah. I mean needed I think time and distance to
understand that. Almost. Yeah, but because now we have so
many so you can sort of pick the one you
want off the shelf. But I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
And then as far as the sixty sixth movie, I
I know it's on my list to do a commentary
for eventually.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Yeah. Absolutely. I I was just I have a friend
who plays cinematrix with every morning, and she was talking
about for some reason, we were talking about Batman movies,
and she was like, you know which Batman movie? Oh,
because one of the categories was movies over two hours,
and I picked Batman Forever from Kilmer and she was like,
you know what Batman movie feels like it's three hours,
but it isn't. She said Batman sixty six. I was like, really,

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I don't remember it, like I remember liking that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
But I mean I haven't seen it in decades.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
So that was the quintessential Fox thirty two Saturday afternoon movie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yep, exactly, Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Yeah. I mean, you know, some days you can't get
rid of a bomb.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Yeah. I well, you know, next year is the sixtieth
anniversary of that movie, so perfect I could find a
rational for that. And then of course, you know, we
still have to talk through the Batman yeah, which would
be ancient history by the time the sequel to that
one comes out, if yeah, if it ever does.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
So, but thank you for checking out. You know, I
love the commentary tracks because they have a long tail
and people discover them and find new things, and I'm
glad that they are worth listening to and relistening to.
That makes me really happy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Yeah, It's really means a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah. Hey we got some headlines Brian extra extra loo Okay, well, hey, hey,
we got our first full trailer for Superman. Yes, that's exciting.
So let's play some of the audio from this new trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Are you being serious right now? Yeah? You'd let me
interview you as Superman. Let's do it, Cronkite, Superman, Miss Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Recently you've come under a lot of fire for where
some might want.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Today the Secretary of Defense said he was going to
look into your actions.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
That's funny. My actions. I stopped a war?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Maybe not, maybe I did. In effect, you illegally entered
a country.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
This is how you're going to be I'm not the
one being interviewed Superman. Did you consult with the president?

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
You seemingly acting as a representative ad and doing good?
I would question myself in the same situation and consider
the consequences. People were going to die.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
All right, So, Brian, I want to I want to
get your thoughts. Okay, Well, it's funny because I was
most interested in yours. But still say the best for last.
You know something I've been saying all along that I
think we've been gleaning about the Superman is that it
feels sincere, Like it looks like they're aiming for a
very sincere tone, and I am like completely here for that.

(01:04:10):
I will say the more that we're seeing there is
a bit of a sort of like computery, yeah, cg Veneer,
a little bit more than I was expecting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I also say it's sort of mc usque.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Yeah, a lot of fish eye like, sort of unnatural looking,
and everything looks a little sort of I don't know,
just a little bit more than I was expecting from
a Superman movie and just noting it. I've caught it
both times with both trailers, so I'll say it. But
hopefully it's something I get used to. You know, you
watch the movie and you acclimate to its visual look,

(01:04:50):
and you know what's kind of interesting too, is this
is it feels a little bit more I don't know
sci fi is the right word or comic bookie, but
like we're seeing these robots and these characters we don't
tend to see and the Superman cinematic universes, and so
I'm like very intrigued by this because this just isn't
what I'm used to, And so that's kind of what
I want to ask you, is you who know so

(01:05:13):
many more Superman stories than I do, through the comics
and everything else does this feel like the Superman, you know,
because like I said, I'm limited to cinematic Superman, which
it tends to be Lex Luthor and you know, less
like Kaiju in the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
And things like that, so trying to steal land.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Yeah, exactly, and so it is a little different for me.
But I'm open to it because I just really am
hungry for a new Superman story. Yeah, and I like
James Gunn, so I'm figuring that I'm going to like
catch up with what he's doing as I'm watching it.
It just feels a little bit jarring to me through trailers,
but yeah, I'm curious. What do you think about it all?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Well, the first thing I'll say is is I agree
with you about the sort of the aesthetic approach, and
I I feel like that's something that once you're in
the movie, you'll sort of you'll get on the wavelength, you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Know, I'm assuming, So yeah, that's kind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Of that's my that's my assumption as well. And and
what makes me feel better about it is the opening
scene sequence rather of this trailer, which is the faux
interview between Superman and lois that you know, so this
trailer reveals that Lois knows that Clark is Superman, and

(01:06:29):
I like the back and forth between them. I like
how we get we get a window into Clark's personality
and his sort of his relationship with her in a
sense of humor. And then the study, you know, when
he says people were going to die. I love that, right,
And I think it was a very interesting choice to

(01:06:50):
start the trailer with that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
I agree because I just want to say real quick,
because I'm more interested in your opinion. But yeah, that
kind of caught me off guard, being honest, like in
the first thirty seconds of this trailer, seeing Clark raise
his voice at Lois, and it's you know, I'm sure
within the context of the film, it all makes sense.
And I'm intrigued because typically Clark or Superman is very stoic, yeah,

(01:07:17):
you know, and very much a boy scout, and like
if he were to like sneeze wrong, people would be like, oh, oh,
that wasn't a perfect sneeze, you know, Like it's like,
you know, I mean, that's kind of what we have
gotten and maybe even expect from cinematic Superman. So seeing
him have a wider range of emotions frustration is different
and it's a little jarring, but it's also really intriguing

(01:07:39):
to me. So does that feel it felt felt good
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Yeah, it's something different, you know, it's kind of a
different flavor, and it lets us know that we're a
little deeper into this Superman's history than him having just
arrived on Earth, you know, in terms of what you
referring to before with like the robots and the Fortress
and all that. You know, that's that's very much part
of the Silver Age stories. It's also if you've I

(01:08:06):
think you've read All Star Superman by Grant Morrison.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Yeah you got it for me?

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, oh I did, right, Okay, yeah, so so very
much indebted to that, and so that you know, I'm
I can sort of pull some of the references of
where this story is likely coming from. One of them
at Superman Birthright by Mark Wade, which is a great
story if you haven't read that, and then and then
All Star Superman, And I'm like, well, if those are

(01:08:30):
your inspirations, that's not a bad place to be, you know, totally.
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I don't I still don't fully know what the movie
is gonna be about. I like, there's one thing, which
I guess is maybe a spoiler, but we see a
scene from presumably later in the movie, and we see
Jonathan Kent in that scene, and I'm like, Okay, so
Jonathan is alive when Superman is like a grown up

(01:09:03):
and he's Superman. And that's something that I like. That's
something from the comic books that I grew up reading.
You know, the Kents are both alive into his time
as as Superman. You know, I think we talked about
it when we did our Lows and Clerk commentary, like
I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Superman can go home and visit his parents, and that,
you know, even as as emotional as it is in
the seventy eight movie when when Glenn Ford clutches his
chest and falls and you know, he has a Superman
learns that lesson that you know, all those things I
can do and I still can't save him. That's an
important lesson. Yes, it's important. But I I like the

(01:09:38):
Kents being alive. Yeah, yeah, so I hope that's the
case by the time the credits roll.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Right, right, Well, it's like thunderbolts, right. There was a
I can't think of the name of the character who
oh is this spoiler? Well, anyway, some character doesn't make
it throughout the film. But oh right, and then yeah,
they inserted this character into the trailers. It seemed like
they went further.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Oh those bastards.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Can you imagine that they did that with popcor And yeah,
I will be irked by that. You would do like
a Anna Damas lawsuit with the Yesterday thing with those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Do you remember that, Yes, we thought she was gonna
be in it more or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Right, yeah, Well there was a trailer for the movie
Yesterday where the guy only one guy, remembers the Beatles songs. Yes,
And in the trailer, an A. Dahamas plays herself on
a talk show sitting next to the guy. Cut to
the movie comes out and that scene isn't in the
movie at all. So she's not in the movie period.
That's funny. So these guys put forth a lawsuit saying

(01:10:38):
that they were deceived into seeing the movie from that
trailer featuring an actress who wasn't even in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I'm assuming it was literally laughed out of court, right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
I don't recall. I do know they like lost okay
at whatever stage, I don't know, but yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
So that's come in this July. And then a week
before Superman is a Jurassic World rebirth. Yeah, new trailer
for that just dropped in the last twenty four hours.
So can we play some of the audio from that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
On the island we're headed to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Two dozen species have survived there alone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
The theme park owners did experimental work.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Maybe only the worst ones here. If we get this
DNA millions of lader said, maybe we should make this quick.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Huh. Okay. So I have said before, I've said it
many times on this very program. I am an easy
lay for the Jurassic Park movies.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
Yes, yes, I don't require.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I don't require. I don't apologize for that, Brian. This
franchise can have its way with me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
I don't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
And honestly, I'm like, just give me dinosaurs chasing people
and choun down on them. I'm in good shape.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I will say this, This new trailer gives me, gives
me some of that some of that same feeling I
get from from that first movie. I don't know, am
I am I being foolishly optimistic here?

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
I don't think so. You know I did not love
the Jurassic World movies.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
The first one is totally entertaining. Uh, And I feel
like I liked them less and less. I can't even
remember exactly why, but I know a big part of
it was that I just never latched onto the characters, right, Like,
I just felt no chemistry between them. I didn't care
about them. So it really was completely left up to

(01:12:46):
are you enjoying the dino action? And the answer to
that was sometimes, you know, like I don't know if
it was as clever or thrilling or as inventive as
the first trilogy, you know whatever. But with this one,
I have to say, you know, I don't know anything
about the characters yet, but I really love what I
saw in this trailer. I mean that whole opening thing
with the people in the river raft. Yep, that's what

(01:13:10):
I want. That's I want, like a real natural setting,
but put a dinosaur in it. So, like, how terrifying
would it be if you were in a raft going
down a river and then a dinosaur is there. That's
the kind of action that I think, more so than
anything that's like super colossal and that I can't necessarily
relate to. And it's a bunch of big things smashing

(01:13:31):
into each other and it's just people, you know, wandering
between it. I'm not going to relate to that as
much because I can't wrap my head around that. But this,
everything in that shot is real except for the dinosaur,
and that, to me, I find really exciting. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
You know, as soon as Garrett Edwards signed on to direct,
I was like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Sold, Yeah, we really like his vibe. He doesn't always
close unfortunately. Yeah, but like his this vibe is so good.
It's very earthy, like sci fi elements in very earthy
natural settings.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Yeah, Like, correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like
we both appreciated the creator more than we liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Yeah, I know, we were like straining to like it. Yeah,
but it was like, yeah, we appreciated the setting and
the effort.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
And his visuals were splendiferous, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Out of this world. Yeah. He's really unique talent, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
I think he's clearly a student of Spielberg in terms
of his visual approach. And I think the fact that
David Kep is involved in this I think Lost World
I think he wrote, right, I think that's the last
one he was involved with. Okay, and taking it back
to something a little more horrory horrory horrorsh yeah, that's articulating,

(01:14:53):
that's all interesting. Yeah, I kinda I can't get too
jazzed about the story yet because I don't really no much.
But I think the opening sequence of this new trailer
that shows sort of this this horror movie thing with
the the dinosaur unleashed inside a you know, like a
science room or whatever. That's different, something new.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
That and the thing at the end too, I really
respond to the wrath thing. It's what I'm like, completely
latching onto similar sorts of things. But the thing where
the Scarlett Johansson and some you know, the other people
are on this like boat and it's not about some
creature climbing all over the boat in some way where
the physics don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
There's an outcropping of rock and you have to duck
your head exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
It's pushing the boat into, yeah, like a cliff side,
and I'm like, oh no, like that funny. I can
wrap my head around that, and that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
I saw that shot and I was like, that's a
Brian shot, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Yeah. Well, you know it reminds me in a way
sort of spiritual cousins or something to like last Crusade.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yep, the tank, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
The tank. I mean that. I know everyone always brings
up the truck sequence and Raiders and it is incredible yep,
but like that take tank sequence almost goes slept on
because they you always say, you know, using every part
of the buffalo. It's like Spielberg had a model of
a tank and thought of four hundred different exciting things

(01:16:18):
he could do just using the tank in the palm
of his hand. And one of those is just if
you were to pitch it to a studio, they'd be like, no, no, more,
more and more. But it's like, no, it's just Andy
hanging off the side of a freaking tank and then
someone being like, hey, there's like a little cliff thing
coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
Like crush him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
And it's one of the most thrilling moments in the
entire movie, you know, because it's relatable and it's how
is he going to get out of that? So I
was feeling those vibes from them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And I don't want to like get too optimistic. Yeah yeah, right,
there is that, but but I don't know, like for me,
like my baseline is like I don't need this. I
don't need this to be the ninety three movie, and
I know it's not going to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Yeah, that's a very healthy thing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
I'm I say that. I'm like that that movie is
the Shining City on the Hill. Yes, I don't you know,
I don't care if we ever get back there, but
you know, give me something that's closer to that than
some of the other ones. I'm usually I'm gonna I'm
gonna be on board. I am not a an objective
critic when it comes to the Jurassic franchise. I'm just

(01:17:25):
I'm just putting that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
Yeah, I mean, this one looks good. Though good characters
would be a plus, it would be nice, but uh yeah,
I just in the age when we can do literally
anything with visual effects, the real trick is can you
show me something fresh and that makes me grip my seat? Yeah,

(01:17:46):
and that's that's what I'm hoping for. If they can
do that, then I'll be a happy camper. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
So, so this one comes out Independence Day.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
Weekend, Okay, Oh, and you know it's gonna be colossal.
Like it's it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Well, July is is packed because we got Jurassic, we
got Superman, we got Fantastic four, and I suspect all
three of.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Those are gonna do reasonably. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Let's check back, like you know, Labor Day weekend. See
what kind of an asshole I sound like. But that's
my that's my prediction right now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
We didn't anticipate that the Aliens would arrive July first.
It's like us from a bunker doing an emergency episode.
We didn't know, we didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
All right, other headlines, here's a little bit of sad news.
Brian George Went has passed away.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Yeah, I'm sad to see.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
George Went beloved for two generations as Norm on Cheers.
He was seventy six years old, and you know he
he of course he was also in the super Fans
sketches on SNL.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Yeah yeah, yeah, right, but let's be honest. Norm is
his place in history absolutely and what a place to
be beloved character.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Right, I would say, one of the truly iconic sitcom characters.
And and what's crazy, by the way, is you realize
like he was in his early thirties on to say
when he started playing that role.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
That's one of those things we talk about that a lot,
like underestimating certain people's ages. From the past or whatever.
But that's a meme. I see a lot where it's
the cast of Cheers with their ages over their heads,
and it's surprising. It's surprising how young they were.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Surprising. You know, I can't remember you a Cheers guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
No, you know that was I was a little too
young to be into it maybe in its heyday, like
I was very much aware of it when it was
wrapping up, knowing that it was beloved. But then yeah,
I've never kind of, you know, gotten around to the
DVDs or streaming of it. So it's I know, I
have like a classic series waiting for me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Oh dude, you you really you have? You are in
for a treat. Yeah, because here's a show that starts
great and remains great really right like like there's a
few bits and pieces that need to fall into place,
right Like, you know, Cliff doesn't become a regular until,

(01:20:16):
you know, maybe a third of the way through the
first season, and obviously Woody comes in a little bit
later and frasier, you know what I mean, like some
but but the essential dynamics of the show are there
right from the start, and and it's just it's just
rock solid all the way through.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Yeah, Cheers is one of those shows where sometimes when
I'm driving, I will just put on an episode on
my phone and just like listen to it. Yeah, because
it's just pleasing to hear mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
And I I'm guessing that it works well as a
radio play.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
It absolutely does. That's what's so great, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Right, I guess yeah. I mean you have all the
characters in one location, hanging out, chatting with one another exactly, you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Know, And and and you know, I think that above
and beyond a norm just being this icon, you know,
George went. The most gratifying thing to hear following his
passing is just how genuinely kind he was. And we
say this a lot whenever we mark these passings that
ultimately what you leave behind is your work, but it's
how you make people feel. And to the one like,

(01:21:22):
people who who worked with him, not not necessarily big stars,
but just just working actors were like he was just
incredibly funny, just warm and kind and everything you'd hope
he would be. Yeah, And and you know, I think
the it is sad, obviously, but what I think about

(01:21:42):
is like his work will be watched forever, Like Cheers
will live on into the far long long into the future. Right,
and that's something pretty remarkable.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
That's really nice.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
Yeah, and it will be Cheers will be experienced very
shortly by Brian Hall.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Yes, actually that would be a fun one to uh yeah,
dip into and then occasionally check back with you about.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
I would I would very much like that. Yeah, and
I know our friend Sean Coyle would love that very much.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yes, uh, here's some other news, you know, Max the
streaming service Max.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Yes, yes, I've finally come around. You know, I didn't
really like how they're changing their name up so much,
but you know what, screw it. I'm used to it
now Max Max.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
It is Max. You're you're about to max out on Max?

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Yeah, I think so. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
I have some some troubling news for you in that case. Oh,
what started out as as HBO Max is about to
be once again HBO Max. Because what is dead can
never truly die, right. This is another another another genius

(01:22:54):
business maneuver from the same company that killed the Batgirl
movie after it was almost fully shot and put it
shoved in a drawer, and then they tried to get
rid of this Looney Teunes movie before selling it off
to somebody else, let them make the money off it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
There's more.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
I'm sure there's a litany of terrible Warner Brothers decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Yeah, strange from one of the more sturdier studios, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Well, yeah, I'm I'm gonna put this out there. It
seems to me. I'm I'm no fortune five hundred CEO
or anything like that. But it seems to me that
this this David Zaslov fella, This this whipper snapper here,
who's it seems like he may not know entirely what
he's doing. When something works, you don't pee on it

(01:23:39):
to make it better. Yeah, and and Zaslov has been
whipping it out and spraying away. I don't know yet
the the precise rationale for it, but I would presume
it's because of what everyone has said for the last
two years, which is, well, HBO is the brand. Why

(01:24:01):
would you get rid of that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
I think that's what happened, right, because they acquired like
Discovery content and all sorts of things, right, and so
I think they were trying to have some big banner
that was like, this isn't just HBO, this is all
types of material. But then it come to find out
no one cares about that material, and it's watering down
the HBO brand, which is one of the most well

(01:24:24):
known and trusted brands and entertainment. So why would you
take the HBO out of the thing. And that's the
thing that everyone pays extra for. They pay extra for HBO.
It makes no sense, Brian. Yeah, well, and they came
around to that, they did, but they came around at
a moment in time where it feels like the bottom
is falling out of the streaming bonanza. Right, Sure, it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Does sort of feel like that, right, like like what
I've been forecasting for nigh on a decade, like a
drunken Cassandra, that you're spending all this money on the content.
How are you gonna make it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Mack?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
How do you? How does the business make sense? And
all these folks are suddenly realizing, Hey, guys, how do
we make this business make sense? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
It can make sense for one or two people, right
where that's their main focus and they started it, you know,
right at the beginning and figured it out. And it's
not like everyone then can be like, hey, let's just
do what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Surely that will work for us. You know it won't work,
and don't call me, surely, you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
It was really annoying me the other night. So Wes
Anderson has another movie coming out this month, the Phoenician Scheme,
and I was like, you know, I wasn't too hot
on Asteroid City, but it's an hour and forty five minutes,
and I don't know, maybe just without the anticipation and everything, like,
I'll give it another shot. I'll just I'm kind of

(01:25:49):
in the mood to sit down and maybe give that
another shot. When it was nights, so I'm googling, all right,
where do I watch this? And it is not available anywhere? Wow?
Free me let me say, Like, it's not on HBO Max,
which I subscribe to, it's not on Prime, which I
subscribe to. It's on Netflix, which I subscribe to. It's
not on Canopy, which is the library service I tout

(01:26:09):
every now and then, Like it's this is silly. Of course,
it's only a rental price, but I was just annoyed
at how many things I'm paying per month full price
to access so many things, but the one movie I
want to watch is not available on any of those
things for what I'm already paying.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
For this is this is the age that we're living in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Yeah, so it's on It's on Peacock and I was like, oh,
of course it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
That's the one service you don't have. Correct, That's pretty funny. Hey, look,
you know everybody you know decided to walk away from
physical media and we're paying the price now. Yeah, yeah,
not I mind you. I'm keeping one foot in physical media.
Not to say I have my copy of Asteroid City.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Yeah exactly, I was gonna say. I mean I do
two to a degree, Like when we do the lethal weapons,
you know, for our commentaries and things. I have those
on Blu Ray, and so I do I make a
point of digging them up and watching them that way
because I have them. But yeah, I haven't like kept
up with it, you know. I don't know that I
have a lot of newer things on physical media.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Well anyway, so HBO max is coming back, and I'm
sure it'll be a very happy homecoming for all involved.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
You know, I saw this somewhere where someone was like,
I wonder how much someone got paid to present that
idea and have it go through like you know what,
like some consulting firm, why don't you bring the HBO
back and then you know, then they made their millions
and genius. I know, there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Well, ultimately, it was never about the journey from HBO
to Max to HBO Max. It was about the friends
we made along the way.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
Right, I'm looking at you the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Pit and what the hell, duster and throw you in
there too. Yeah, John Oliver, You've always been there for me.
Thank you. Hey, here's some other news, another big move.
This is I greeted this news with a good feeling,
to be honest, and it is that Disney has pushed

(01:28:27):
the release dates of the next two Avengers movies. So
Avengers Doomsday was scheduled for just under a year from now,
was scheduled to open May first, it's now being pushed
to December eighteenth of next year. And Avengers Secret Wars
was going to open on May seventh of twenty twenty seven.
Now it's moving to December seventeenth of twenty twenty seven.

(01:28:47):
And I saw that headline and I was like, you know,
thank God, yeah, right right right, Because if there's one
thing I've come to realize is the way these release
dates locked movies into potential mediocrity. It's bitten Disney in
the ass enough times that I'm glad to see them

(01:29:08):
being like, no, let's give it, Let's give it the
time it needs to breathe.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I love the way you said that, I mean, locking
yourself into potential mediocrity, like you think they would learn
by now, you know, I understand it's really about pleasing
shareholders versus pleasing audiences like that. That is king when
it comes to these studios. It is show business. I
do recognize that. But at the same time, I mean,
if you want to have something that's going to yield

(01:29:33):
results for years and years and years, and maybe you
know it be something that people love so much that you
can open a new wing in Disneyland and have a
ride for it, Like, well, it's got to be good,
you know. So it makes no sense to just lock
in a date and have it not be ready. But well,
hell or high water, you know, it's it's gonna be
on that date. And yeah, I think this is great.
This gives me confidence that we're going to get a

(01:29:55):
better product than we would have in May. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
And what that means is that next year is gonna
be MCU barren until the very end of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
And then people are gonna be thirsty for it that right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
I I was like, that's kind of perfect because this
is the movie you really want to build up the
anticipation for. So why not why not played out? Because
because think about it, they got they got Avatar three
opening in December, mm, like in a few months, which
is weird that we've seen neither Hide nor Hair from
that movie.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Right, wait this year, this year is coming up in December.
Oh wow, weird, right, I didn't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
Yeah, yeah, so so that means that, yeah, because because yeah,
fire and Ash that's the title. H that's December of
this year. Okay, They're re releasing Avatar two in October.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
That's this year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
And then my point is like, that's gonna play through
the first part.

Speaker 3 (01:30:59):
Of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Yes, right, So Disney's like already sitting on that money,
so why not pace himself? And then next May is
the Mandalorian movie, right, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Next year twenty twenty six? That feels right? Right? Yeah? Right?
Well so yeah, and then you have less competition, I
mean even just thinking about Avengers now, So instead of
coming out in May and having a solid couple of
weeks and then just things nibbling away at your your
box office then, because it's the summer movie months. Yes,
it seems like when you put these movies out in December,

(01:31:34):
the Star Wars Films, Avatars whatever, there isn't a lot
of competition typically in January, February, March, so you can
just you know, steamroll for a while and probably make
more money that way. It makes more sense, right, I think?
So business wise?

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Yeah, I mean they're sitting on enough enough of these
big properties in lieu of Avengers opening next May. Instead,
Disney is putting The Devilwares P.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Seriously, that is true.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
So I didn't even know they were making that. I
didn't either, But.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Here it comes, ready ready for that hot Avengers audience.
That's just ready for for you know, Victor von Doom.
Instead we got Meryl Streep being judgmental.

Speaker 3 (01:32:20):
I'm very curious where the story goes. But I didn't
even know they were making one. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
That's I mean, it's been twenty years, right, The last
one was twenty twenty six. Excuse me, twenty oh six, Okay,
so literally it'll be twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Wow. Well you know what though, I mean this it's
got its audience, it's got its following.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they're making.
I mean, clearly, yeah, people like it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
I think. I mean, as long as we are just
continuing to remake things from the past. It actually that
one makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, not remake,
but you know, make another twenty years later. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Well, and I'm just looking like, who's I'm assuming Meryl
Streep is coming back?

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Yeah, I'm trying to read this thing. I don't see
anything says it's made.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
This is me. This is me reading on Mike. It's
a great audio, right, I don't see anything about the cast.
The story's next chapter will see Miranda Priestley, Streeps character
in the original film, dealing with the decline of magazine publishing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
Mm there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Sounds like a rip snorting way to start summer movie season.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
Print is dying. I can't wait to get its popcorn bucket.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
I wanted to be just like a sculpture of Streep's
head as that character popcorn out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Dude, By the way, I mean speaking of I mean
Mission impossibles. Popcorn bucket is like next level. Have you
seen what is it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
I don't even know. It looks like Tom Cruise's head
you eat out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Yeah, it looks like a sort of like, I don't know,
I have to describe it, some sort of like bomb
looking device and clear in the middle so you can
see the popcorn. But it's got these two caps on
either end that are red and you lift the top
off or up and it reveals the cruciform key and
you put it together and like turn it and open

(01:34:18):
it to eat the popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
This seems like a lot of effort. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
It's I mean, these things are really more collector's items,
I think, than practical popcorn.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
And at some point, like I'm picturing, you know, it
reminds me of collectible DVD cases that became so big
and ridiculous that there was no room for them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
You remember I had this Planet of the Apes bust.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Do you remember this? I do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
It was like a big honkin thing. It was like
life size bust of Roddy mcdewll as Caesar. And there's
like a little teeny slot where the DVDs are, but
otherwise it's this big thing, and I'm like, I'm a fan.
I love playing it. I'm like, what I was supposed
to do with this thing?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of shelf space to consider.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah, that's what these these popcorn buckets are turning into.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
And they're cool, I gotta admit. I mean I saw
it and I had this little impulse like, oh, that
thing's so cool. But then yeah, I have to think, well,
what am I gonna do with it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Like I didn't realize we'd enter a stage of popcorn
buckets requiring engineering.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Back in my day we just put the popcorn in
and eat it, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
And it's amazing the things that they make them for.
I can't remember if I brought this up, but you know,
they had a night at the opera with like Boachelly, right,
and as far as I understand, it was if not
only a week long release, maybe even just a night,
but my theater had popcorn tins for that, the Bochelli
popcorn tin Wow, which I just and so then it

(01:35:49):
got you know, I don't think they sold enough. So
then if you ordered a popcorn, they were just giving
you those just to kind of get rid of them,
you know. So months later they were still giving out
the Butchelli popcorn tin. So I my friend and I
got one, and it's just kind of a fun inside
joke with us. Now that's really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Yeah, well with that, Hey, there's a big new release
in theaters right now. Yes, so why don't we talk
about it on the other side of this and now
we're pleased to bring you our features. All right, we

(01:36:26):
are back. And you know who else is back? Brian?

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Who's that Zichy? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
It's none other than Impossible Mission Force leader Ethan Hunt.
I have it on good authority that he is the
manifestation of destiny.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
Yeah, he has been the chosen one throughout this franchise,
and I love how Mission Impossible the final reckoning outright
says Ethan you are the chosen one basically.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Yeah, So this is the three hour near three hour behemoth.
You and I just got out of it. Literally, Yeah,
we're running home from the theater. I'll Eatan Hunt for
multiple times in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
He does multiple times, and I was there for every
second of it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
So this is a big finale twenty nine years in
the making. So I want to hear you thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
What do you think, you know, I just right off
the bat, I have to say. I got to the
theater and they had a little thing before the movie started,
not like it was attached to the film, but just
from the theater itself, and it basically was like the
first Mission Impossible came out in nineteen ninety six, what
else was happening in nineteen ninety six, And they started
talking about the introduction of DVDs and the macarena and

(01:37:40):
all sorts of things, and I was like, wow, like
it just that stuff doesn't feel like it does feel
like a long time ago, but it also doesn't. And
I was thinking, that's almost thirty years so that'd be
like when I was watching that movie. Yeah, I mean
they hadn't been on the Moon yet when that one
came out thirty years previous, you know what I mean.
So it's yeah, I was having a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Well thirty years previous to the original movie the TV
series premiered.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
Oh wow, okay, think about that wild anyway. So having
said that, uh, I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed this.
It's this is an interesting movie. I mean, this is
very much part two, right, like we kick right into
where we left off. And there's a lot of lifting

(01:38:31):
here that the movie has to do to remind you
because they're assuming you didn't just watch therever the titles
now part, well, yes, you probably didn't just watch that,
And there's a lot of things at play, right, So
the first hour of this movie is a lot of
table setting, a lot a lot, And I think it's

(01:38:54):
helpful to know that because and also I think it's
good to know that this movie is a little less
playful than the others. Yeah, you know, like the when
I think of four, you know, we always joke that
when he's climbing the building and the you know, you're
you're out of rope, and like, just like the jokes
and the playfulones, even the last one with the the

(01:39:15):
car that he gets, you know, and it's controlled. Yeah,
but it doesn't work very well. And there's a lot
of humor rung out of that moment in Rome, and uh,
this one doesn't have a lot of humor in it also,
so this is it feels like a bit of a
different beast, honestly. Yeah, And I'll admit, like halfway through,

(01:39:36):
I wasn't quite sure how I felt about it, because
there was a lot going on and I was having
a little bit of like, when are we gonna get
to the fireworks factory? But but then we do. Then
we do, and there's some really great set pieces. And
when I walked out of it, and I was letting

(01:39:57):
it settle in my mind, and I was realizing that
my body had been tense for almost three hours, you know,
I was like, you know what, though, this is different
and it wasn't exactly what I expected from the others,
but they earned this, Like this is a capper, you
know what I mean. And they built a lot up
and the world is literally at stake, and it's always

(01:40:19):
at stake. But I think this is their version of
like no, literally like by the end of this movie,
there may not be a planet Earth. Yeah, and so
they live in that and there's a lot of tension
and a lot of seriousness that has to happen, but
they still do, you know, manage to wink in the
second half of this movie a little bit and have

(01:40:39):
some fun and you know, feel like the mission impossible
that I know and love. So yeah, I went on
a journey with this, I think for a little bit,
I was like, wow, this is a lot okay, okay,
and like, oh, we're We're not, you know, chuckling as
much as we usually do in these. But then when
it all was sudden done by the end, which I
can't wait to talk about some specific things spoilers, but

(01:41:00):
I was like, ah, what a what a rip roar
in time, and I walked out enjoying it, enjoying it.
I don't know that this is one that I will
go back to as often as the others for those
reasons that I just said, but I did get my
money's worth for sure and enjoyed it. So very curious
what you thought.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
So this is very much an Imax experience, and I
am glad I got the Imax viewing because that really
like that, that is kind of what you're paying for,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
I literally thought that. I mean, it's in the trailer,
the plane sequence. I thought as I was watching it,
maybe this would be worth going to see again on
an Imax screen.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
Yeah. I was initially going to watch it on a
regular sized thing, and then an opportunity came up to
see it on Imax. Early I was like, you know what,
I'm gonna do it, and I'm glad I did that.
I I well, one thing I'll say, is that. In
our commentary track for the original film, I said, for me,
the peak trilogy is Ghost Protocol, Rogunation, and Fallout in

(01:42:06):
terms of Mission Impossible films, and I would say the
Final Reckoning is not in danger of busting that trilogy.
I think, I think it's I was ultimately satisfied. But
I think I think you said a lot of table setting.
I think that by the time the table setting is over,
you realize there's nowhere for anyone to sit because there's

(01:42:28):
so much plot that they've packed in that you know,
it's feel it feels like the character beats are sort
of squeezed in wherever they can, and and so it
felt like the pacing felt off to me. I would say,
all the way through the first hour and a half,

(01:42:50):
maybe two hours up up through the submarine sequence, the
pacing felt weird to.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Me, Yes, very much so. And because like I was saying, like,
this isn't a Mission Impossible movie. This is part two
to another Mission Impossible movie, and so just by virtue
of that and the way that they stick to that,
I mean it is, Yeah, the pacing of this is

(01:43:15):
different for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Yeah, So you know that that was something kind of
kind of like you alluded to, I had to adjust
to that a little bit, and by the time it ended,
I was like, I was like, I enjoyed that, but
I was also like, you know what, it's a good ending.
Let's leave it there. Sure in the sense that I
don't know what else you can do in this vein Yes, right,

(01:43:39):
I feel I feel like and this was a critique
I had with the previous film, and you know this
is a continuation of that. I think the essential the
big bad, which is this nebulous AI called the entity
every time I wanted to take a shot every time
somebody says the entity, because yeah, I would have been
dead from alcohol poisoning and say, you know, twenty eight minutes.

(01:44:01):
But I'm like, I just fundamentally I find that conceit
kind of coka.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
Maybe you know, I've felt that in the last film also,
But the film was entertaining enough and it had all
the things I kind of have come to expect from
a mission impossible film that I was able to almost
push that to the side and just enjoy the ride.
But yeah, this, yeah, it's it's I mean, it's the internet.

(01:44:29):
It's Ethan versus the Internet in a way to really
you know, well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
And the issue is that in the last film, the
Gabriel character played by EASi Morals is essentially the personification, yes,
of of the of the entity, and and Ethan's opposite number.
And in this film, it's very weird where he he's
in the beginning and then he's gone for like two hours, right,

(01:44:56):
and then he shows up again. And so like the
steaks feel weird because I'm sort of I'm like being
jerked this way and that, and and without getting into spoilers,
you know, there's these these character beats that well he's
actually not with them anymore. Now he's there, and you're
like trying to keep up, you know. And so so
ultimately I was like, okay, they got they got all

(01:45:17):
these plates they're trying to spin. I need I need
to just hunker down and and appreciate the craft sure
of the caper and that that's that's where I kind
of by the time we get get to the third egg.
And this isn't a spoiler because it's all the you know,
it's it's in all posters and everything. Ethan, uh, you know,

(01:45:40):
define gravity on a biplane.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
I mean that stuff is riveting it's amazing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Amazing photography. And you're like, well, that's definitely Tom Cruise
doing that, because he's an insane, crazy person.

Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
Yeah, you know, God love.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Him and and so so by the time it ended,
I I would say that I was like, Okay, I
think this is a good place to leave it. Whatever what.
I don't believe for one second that Mission Impossible has done.
But I'm like, I think we've played this thread out
about as much as it needs to.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
And and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Uh, for me, the final reckoning is a little bit
like it's it's a little Rise of Skywalker, it's a
little Dark Knight Rises.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Ha ha, Yeah, I think I think Dark Night Rises
for sure, very for me, very overstupped, right, a lot
of plot. Yeah, you know, I do think Dark Knight
Rises actually pulls it off a little better in terms
of feeling complete. Right. I was thinking, if you're not

(01:46:46):
a fan of this series, I don't know what you
would think, just being like I'm gonna go watch a
Mission Impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Well, so that that's kind of that's why I give
this movie some rope, because I'm like, look, anybody who's
watching Mission Impossible eight has been on the ride for
at least a portion of the last twenty nine years, right,
so you know what you're getting, right, So that's I
give them the rope to do that. But I think
that I think there was there was a lot they

(01:47:15):
were trying to accomplish, and I would say they successfully
accomplished maybe maybe two thirds of it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:20):
Yeah, wow, Okay, good, Well it sounds like we're on
the same page. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
Yeah, I mean it is a thumbs up from me.
But I think kind of what you said, like, you
should probably know what you're what to expect from this
and it's certainly not something that people should watch cold.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
You know. Well, my parents were eager to know what
I thought and whatever, and I said, I called them
right away in case they went this weekend. I was like,
just no, the first hour is a lot, and you're
gonna be like, when is he gonna be on a
car chase or something? You know what I mean kind
of a thing because that's what we expect out of
these movies. And I was like, it's a lot. It

(01:47:55):
catches you up not only on the last film, it
catches you up on the last seven films. Yeah, and
it takes a lot of real estate for kind of
fan service stuff, frankly, which I appreciated as a fan,
but I did kind of wonder if you were taking
someone like, hey, these movies are great. You're gonna love

(01:48:16):
this Crackerjack action film. This is different than that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
Yeah, you know, if I'm being honest, I was not
crazy about this sort of being like, oh, we've been
telling this one story for the last thirty years kind
of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
Yes, it felt forced to me because I'm like, that's
not what this has ever been, and I don't think
you need that to make this movie feel impactful, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Yeah, yeah, we can get into specifics of it, but
in a way, it almost undoes what makes one of
the you know, mcguffins of a previous film so charming.

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Yes, right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:48:53):
Yeah, So yeah, I mean I definitely had those feelings.
I am seeing it again in like two days with
a group of friends, and I'm kind of looking forward
to me too. I think things will play a little
more clearly and I might be able to follow it
a little better and probably appreciate some things that might
have just kind of whiz past me. Yeah, but yeah, yeah,

(01:49:16):
Dark Knight Rises is a good comp for me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
And I agree with you. I think I think Dark
Knight Rise has stuck the landing a little better. But
that doesn't make this any less of an experience worth having,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
That's what it is. If you're a fan of these
movies and you know what you're getting into, and it
isn't quite a complete and playful film as the previous ones,
but this is a capper to everything that's come before.
I did enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
That ride, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
You know. I did walk out not realizing how tense
I had been, and sort of exhaling, And that's a
fun feeling. That's what I paid for.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Well, what you said earlier in this discussion is exactly
what I experienced. Where about about halfway through, like I said,
right around when when when ethan Is is swimming around
a submarine, I was like, Okay, this is getting a
little this is getting a little rough. And then by
the end I was like, well, holy smokes, that was

(01:50:13):
that was exhilarating.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
That submarine scene is where the movie takes off.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Yeah, it, I would say, about halfway through that submarine scene.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. But
by the end of that thing, I was like whoa that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Well, when I talk about the pacing, I'm like, they
could have trimmed some of this stuff down in ways
that would have heightened attention.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
In the sub Yeah, that's a good. Yeah, I agree
with that. And I was even thinking I saw some
interview because I did know that this was long, and
I guess some people have brought it to mcquory's attention
and asked him like, so three hours, huh? And he
paraphrasing him from memory, it was something like, we tried
every conceivable thing we could. This is what the movie

(01:51:00):
needed to be. And I'm like, you know what, I
believe you for having your head in it for probably
two some years or three some years or something, but like,
I bet you could have shaved maybe fifteen minutes out
of this. I would say, being honest, I don't think
this movie needed to be two hours and fifty minutes.
I think you could have gotten down to lean two

(01:51:20):
hours and thirty minutes and it would have been fine.
I think two thirty would have been a yeah. I
agree him. You know, do we want to talk spoilers?

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
I can't wait. Okay, spoiler.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
So when the movie starts and you see Luther You're like, Ah, Luther,
God bless you. I'm so I'm so happy you're here.
I'm so happy you've been a consistent presence in my life.
You good friend. And then they kill him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
Yeah he I mean, I don't even remember what the
line is because this is again, this is really still
rumbling around in my head. But there was something he
says or something that someone says to him, and I
was like, oh, shoot, yep, he's not long for the
rest of this film.

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
Now you tell me personally, I have to be honest,
I don't feel like the Luther death hit.

Speaker 3 (01:52:15):
As hard as it should have. No, you know what,
I really am like thinking this through for the first
time right now, so I'm processing. But something felt a
little off in the first thirty or so minutes of
this didn't. Yeah, just there's even a joke where basically

(01:52:37):
Haley Atwell and Tom Cruise aer you know, captive, and
then basically he like butchers these people off screen and
then we're watching her face like, oh, like, what are
we not seeing and then we see it like a
guy with like a butcher's knife in his chest and whatever,
and the joke is like good Lord and him realizing like, oh, yeah,

(01:52:57):
I guess that was kind of intense. Huh. You know,
it's like for for laughs. But I was like, something's
not this is not executed correctly. I don't know what
it is. Yeah, I don't know. Something. Something was a
little off in the first third.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
The pacing was a little a little screwy.

Speaker 3 (01:53:17):
Yeah, I don't know. And then and then to what
you were just saying the whole Luther thing, knowing we're
going to lose a friend here in a minute, and
then he does sacrifice himself and something didn't hit the
way it should have.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
I think it should have hit harder.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
Yeah, yeah, that that being said, I loved how they
you know, tied a bow around it at the very end.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Me too. That was nice. The narration, Yeah, that was voiceover.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Yeah, And I like that by virtue of losing Luther,
suddenly everyone else is potentially in play, you know, totally right,
like like I think, I think, I don't know about you,
but I was like genuinely like, okay, is Benji about
to check.

Speaker 3 (01:53:58):
Out me too? That actually did move me. Yeah, when
she was doing the surgery on him, and you know,
he had like a couple of moments where he was
like basically passing out, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Really was like, no, no, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
And and then when he appears at the end my theater,
you could sense I sensed like an exhale. I think
he was happy he made it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Another thing I wanted to mention and this felt completely
out of the blue, is that Shaye Wigham's character Briggs
from the previous film turns out he's Jim Phelps Junior.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
Okay, I laughed and thought of you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
I was like, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
I was like, this series really hates that family.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Felt it was so weird, like like you know, I
it had no bearing on anything. It was. It was
such a weird it felt like something that would have
been cut out. Yeah, yeah, because it had no bearing
on anything in the film.

Speaker 3 (01:54:53):
No, No, it maybe like a hat on a hat
with that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
So that was And I really I like Wigham as
an actor period. I think he's just he's I've always
enjoyed him. He's a great character actor. I liked him
in Last Week. I like him in this one just fine.
But that was a weird thing, like, oh, should I
call you Phelps?

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Right? He was a great foil in the last one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:14):
Yeah, Yeah, he was yeah, and I like that, you know,
his partner joins Ethan's team in the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
I thought was really cool me too. And it's funny
because it does get called out by maybe Kittridge, but
I was thinking, like, oh, Ethan's team is not professional
IMF people. Ye Like, he's just got like racked egg
people He's picked up along the way. And that's kind
of interesting because the fate of the world is in
their hands. That's right, you know. And actually, I mean
skipping ahead a little bit. I was actually quite moved

(01:55:43):
by the ending of this movie where there's so many
people that like need to stick their necks out to
do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Yeah, and that's right, right, like.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
The the woman on the carrier and the submarine captain
and all that. And then at the end we do
get this little montage moment where we see all of
them after everything's been been worked out, and I did
feel a little like, you know, this interconnectedness of humanity
and people in these important positions, like I say, sticking
their necks out, like they did the difficult thing. And

(01:56:18):
because they did that, and they all unknowingly sort of
worked together, they saved the day. And I was kind
of moved by that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
It's like a it's like a manifestation of destiny. By
the way, Hannah Wattingham, she's also in the Lelan and
Stitch this the same weekend, so she's I didn't know
that she's going to be grossing all kinds of box
office money.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
This was good for her, you know, from ted Lasso,
And it was it like unnerving to hear her speak
with an American accent.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
It was it was so weird.

Speaker 3 (01:56:46):
I was like, you know, you and McGregor, I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got it. But with her, I was like, no,
this is not that she did a fantastic job, but
I was like, this is disconcerting.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
Well, actually, well we're talking about, you know, the ragtag
folks that that that end up joining the mission. We
have to talk about Rolf Saxon making his three decades
later return as as William Dunlow.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
I felt like when he shows up, it's like Han
Solo in the Force Awake.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Actually, I was gonna say when when Ethan basically apologizes
him on Dude Lane.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
No, no, no, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
So, uh, last week we recorded our commentary track yes,
right about this film. And this is I I had
to go back to the transcript. This is what Brian
Hall said during our commentary track about his hopes for
the return of the William Dunlow character. This is the
exact quote. They put him on a desk in Alaska.
I would like to imagine that he met a nice

(01:57:51):
woman there and then rediscovered what life was all about,
and them and their dog walk by like a nice
icy creek every day. So maybe this is a thing
that ever happened to him. That's what I want to
go with. And I just want to say, Brabo, Brian,
you manifested that shit.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Literally what I was gonna say. It honestly felt threw
the button every single thing. It felt like a personal
gift from McCrory and Cruise. To me, I loved every
second of it. And I was like already having a thought, geez,
I wish I could have at their avid like whittle

(01:58:34):
this movie down, But I would not take out one
second of Don Lo in this movie. I loved all
of it. And that moment I actually was moved when
he was on the plane and Tom Cruise is like
basically like I ruined your life. I don't. I don't
know what I can do. Yeah, because I took your
life away and and and don Lo's like, you gave

(01:58:55):
me a life, you know, I swear for me that
was my Avengers and game on your left moment. I
was like, like emotional, and I don't know why. I've
always felt so like endeared to that character. But I
couldn't believe all these years later, they literally they could
have just had some sort of winky moment. Yes, he's
at that station and whatever. No, they did that. They

(01:59:17):
gave him a wife, they gave him a life, they
can save the day.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Literally says that's the best thing that ever happened to me.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
Yes, and then that was enough for me. And then
they include him at the end where he's willing to
sacrifice himself to set up to bomb and he survives.
And he survived, dude, I could not have asked. I
feel spoiled. I feel spoiled.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
If a movie could give someone a hug, that's what
just happened to Brian Hall right now.

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
It was I loved I loved that so much, so much,
and him and his wife at all.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
It was wonderfulous, I was. I was so happy for
you like on your behalf watching this movie, you know,
because because I saw it, you know, like just an
hour earlier than you, so like I was, I was
literally like that based on the time. I was like, oh,
I bet to right around now. Brian's got a smile.

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
On his face. That's incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
I mean perfection. It really was, and it was it
was obviously personally for me. I really loved it. But
that's good if you're wrapping up an eight movie series thing,
that's nice, you know, getting someone all the way from
the first film and making them important. Yeah, you know,
so yeah. Other things that jumped out at you, Well,

(02:00:38):
I enjoyed seeing what's his name, I know him, milcheck
on Severance, Tremmel, Tillman submar He's got such a unique
specific delivery that I added a fun energy because he's
it's not quite the energy you'd expect from the submarine captain.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
But it was like this.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Calmness and a little bit of humor with it. And
I really enjoyed seeing him Nick off from and I
enjoyed seeing so many people in this movie. He had
a nice moment he did yeah expected, yeah, I'm trying
to think there's so much in this movie. I'm trying
to remember it all. I mean, just even the small
stuff with the president and her son, and you know,

(02:01:16):
and I did think.

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
Of that that that is, by the way, the most
unbelievable part of this movie, that it's a a commanding
black woman is the president.

Speaker 3 (02:01:24):
Of the United States.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
Oh so so you watch it, you're like, huh.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
I did actually think about that, Like, yeah, this would
have played differently.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
Maybe it really would have. But I mean, that's the
thing because because it all comes down to President Angela
Bassett being like, no, I will not nuke in American City,
and we're like, well, thank goodness for that. And then
and then right away you imagine the real world sliding
doors version and you're like, hmm, how would that play
out in real life?

Speaker 3 (02:01:52):
I don't know what do you give me? But I
did think, you know, we talk about that. That's the
thing that really rouses us with movies is when people
do the almost the next two impossible thing, you know,
not because it's easy, but because it's hard, you know,
that's right, and and and seeing her make that decision
against almost everyone's wishes in that room because it's the

(02:02:14):
right thing damn it, Like that stuff stirs me and
I really did enjoy that. Yeah, dude, Like the last
hour forty five of this movie are great. Yeah I agree, Yeah,
I know what about you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
I think that I was. I was bummed by the
fact that Gabriel didn't really end up amounting too much.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
Yeah yeah, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Like the plane sequence at the end is a spectacle
and it's fun to watch, but he's sort of.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
Kind of goofy, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Yeah, like like he goes out like a little punk
because he gets it. Basically, he's like, ha ha, I
got a parachute. Ooh, and then he gets like hitting
the nuts basically, and and he you know, he gives
himself a bottom of me before he falls. Like I
mean it was really like, like, you know, he because
the way the movies present him, he's like, I'm the
architect of your pain, ethan kind of thing, and then

(02:03:10):
it didn't amount to much. The Gabriel arc.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
It is funny because yes, he is so stoic and yeah,
filled with these like epic serious, self serious sort of
like monologues in the first one and in this one.
You're totally right, Like even when Ethan is trying to
get closer to him on the plane, he's doing these
little like shoo shoe fly like kind of and it
felt like like an old timey silent movie, like a
Buster Keaton thing or something. Yeah, yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 2 (02:03:35):
Like I that's kind of like I was trying to
I understood the stakes insofar as what we got to
do to capture the entity or whatever, but but it
feels like they didn't know what to do with Gabriel.

Speaker 3 (02:03:53):
I mean, do you think some of what we're talking about,
or much of what we're talking about, is a result
of them making these movies kind of on.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
The fly as they do, Yes, one hundred percent, Yeah,
one hundred percent, because because again, the way his character
just disappears from the middle, it's it's like they forgot, like,
oh shit, we gotta we should probably wrap that story
line up too.

Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
He should be involved somehow, Yeah, And basically the only
way he's really involved is he has the thing around
his neck that Ethan needs. Right, That's exactly it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
Yeah, right now, Again, it's it's one of those things
where it's not a deal breaker for me, but it's
very apparent that that villain arc was not as well articulated,
well thought through as as you know, for example, you
know cavil in in Fallout, and also the other guy
what's his name you know from the previous whatever his

(02:04:47):
name is, the you know the guy you're talking about,
the guy with the with the.

Speaker 3 (02:04:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't remember his name. Yeah yeah, yeah,
he's he's in five and six. Yeah yeah, yeah. We
hear his voice in here like briefly.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
But yes, that's right, Like like both of those characters
were terrific villains, right, And and I think that I
think this is really what it comes down to. I
don't think I think the entity is just too out
there for me.

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
Yeah. Yeah, you can't really wrap your head around it.
There's no villain to stare down into their eyes.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
I think when you have a bunch of characters say
repeatedly several times something to the effect of we're living
the entity's reality now or whatever the hell I'm I'm, I'm,
my eyes start making like pinwheels a little bit, because
it's like it's just too fantastical for the world these.

Speaker 3 (02:05:40):
Movies have created. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
And so for me in the previous film, I rolled
with it because again it was like, well, all of
that sci fi hugger mugger to one side. It's about
this guy who's got an extra grind with Ethan. And
that's a thread that was left dangling at the end
of Dead Record, And so that is part of my
disappointment that I don't feel like we got the proper

(02:06:04):
resolution for that story.

Speaker 3 (02:06:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean all the way down to the
climax at the end where he makes that guy fail
his mission and knocks him off the train and like
all that. Yeah, that felt more like the mission Impossible,
I know, right, that last one, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
The other thought I had was the I'm assuming romantic
relationship between Grace and Ethan. Yeah, I found it kind
of icky personally.

Speaker 3 (02:06:38):
I found it like they couldn't make up their minds,
you know what I mean. I will admit actually I
thought it was sweet when he was in the depressurizing
unit because we you know, she takes him out of
the ice. I loved. I like that submarine thing. I mean, yeah,
maybe the setup is a little long, but like the

(02:06:59):
seeing the water, you know, as it's rolling kind of
at weird angles because you can see that, you know,
a room's only half filled with water and it's rolling
around and that was great, having to get into the
firing tube or whatever and take his stuff off because
it doesn't fit. When he didn't fit, I think I
out loud, like swore or something like, you know, like

(02:07:20):
just I was so into it and not thinking about
being surrounded by people and anyway, So yeah, she gets
him out. My first thought was like she was doing
CPR on him, and I thought, no, no, no, he needs
to be depressurized. He needs to And then you, I
don't know if it was intentional that you couldn't tell
right away, but it sort of reveals that she's in
the unit with him. Yeah, so he's getting healed and

(02:07:41):
she's by his side, and I did find that kind
of sweet. Sure, But yeah, I don't sense a real
chemistry between them. And maybe it's just I don't know
ages or I don't know what it is, but it's
but it feels like the movie wants to have that
energy at the very like there's a lot of times
where it feels like they're about to kiss. It.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
It's clearly it to me. I don't see much difference
between Tom Cruise or rather Ethan and Grace, as you know,
Ethan and Ilsa. You know, yeah, yeah, I mean I said,
you know previously it felt like Tom Cruise swapping one
wife for a younger model.

Speaker 3 (02:08:22):
Yeah, I know, I remember.

Speaker 2 (02:08:23):
Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. It just it seems ichy
to me, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:08:28):
Yeah, it seems like he's old.

Speaker 2 (02:08:29):
Enough now, older enough that it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:32):
I don't know. No, I I agree with that. I
or at least I didn't. It just didn't quite work
for me for all the above. Yeah, but I will
say Haley at Well was really good. She's very charming,
she's good and everything. Though. Yeah, she's great, and like
when you see her appear in the crowd at the end,
I smile because I'm happy to see her and the

(02:08:53):
whole where she gets the whole business where she has
to basically trap the entity and that like glass tube
and like pull it off, you know, in the blink
of an eye and whatever. I enjoyed all that. I
think she you know what I'm saying, Like, she she
was good. I miss Rebecca Ferguson. But yeah, I'm not
sure if I followed this correctly, but it seems like
she kind of wanted out of the series, like she

(02:09:14):
had things coming her way and she was feeling that
was my sense, yeah, from the interview that she gave him. Yeah, yeah,
like these movies kind of keep you on hold exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Jeremy Renner said something similar about why he had to
bow out.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
Yeah, because they are kind of making them up as
they go, So it's like, you're.

Speaker 2 (02:09:34):
Just so we might need.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
You between, you know, like this four month window and
it's like yeah, And I think she had a quote
where she's like, I don't want to be sitting in
a trailer right if they they may need me, they
may not, and then I'm kind of, you know, missing
out on some other things. So completely understandable in real life.
I will say I really enjoyed her in the series
and I missed her. Yeah, but yeah, haileyett Well did

(02:09:58):
what was asked of her, and she was very charming
and fun well.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
And I really like Palm Clementiev by the way, I
should say, I think I think she brings a unique energy.

Speaker 3 (02:10:06):
I love. Yeah, I like because her energy is so different.
She's like this weird, dangerous wild card, like you don't
quite know what she's going to do or I'm just
I'm looking at her. Ondb right now. I didn't realize
she only speaks French and her name is Paris. That's right,
I didn't. I didn't guess. I didn't clock that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
Paris, by the way, is the name of the character
Lennard Nimoy played on the original series.

Speaker 3 (02:10:31):
Oh interesting, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
So I guess I guess one could assume that this
is its own different timeline.

Speaker 3 (02:10:38):
You know, Yes, I do like it because I mean,
if you're going to keep collecting people, you want them
to feel different and add a new energy. And I
did like she doesn't get a ton to do, but
whenever she's on screen, she crackles, you know, yeah, I agree. Yeah.
And her moments with the Benji I thought were kind
of sweet. You know. It wasn't romantic, but there was
a real humanity connection that like touched me well.

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
And the surgery scene I kind of love where where
she's like I just kill people and he's like, no,
I trust you to save my life, you know yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:11:11):
Yeah, and then as it seems like he's dying where
she's kind of hugging him from behind. I was like, oh,
like seeing her doing that, it just felt sweet.

Speaker 2 (02:11:19):
Yeah, So you know, I went on a bit of
a roller coaster with this movie. But but definitely by
the end of it, I was like, it was a
fulfilling thirty year journey.

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
I'll tell you that it sounds like we're on the
exact same page I I I would just say, yeah,
if you weren't like a diehard of this series, it
might be even more impenetrable to you. Yeah, but by
the end, I think you will be dazzled, you know,
but you might find yourself going, what is happening for
the first at least third of it? Yeah? Well no, yeah,

(02:11:53):
I guess the third because it's so long, right exactly,
But yeah, I can't deny that I walked out, yeah,
like thrilled. So so, you know, they zigzagged a little bit,
but ultimately they stuck the landing. Well, you know, let
me ask you then, I mean, what did you feel
by the end of it when they're sort of knowingly

(02:12:15):
looking at one another in a crowd and then basically
go their separate ways. I mean, I like it. I
don't know that I quite felt it the way.

Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
That it didn't feel like an ending ending exactly exactly.
But I don't know what you do, right, because I
don't I don't think killing off Ethan hunt I would.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:12:35):
I wouldn't have wanted that me neither. I wasn't sure
because they've killed James Bond in recent years, and I
thought it's possible, but I definitely didn't want that.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
Yeah, I was like, I was going back and forth
about whether they'd actually do it right, and and like
I said, Luther's death kind of buys you the sense of, like, well,
anything can happen, right, I wouldn't have wanted that, but
by virtue of Ethan still being alive, that means the
franchise is not over over, you know, like, yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
Can even come back as a mentor exactly right.

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
I don't the way the character has been constructed, I
just don't imagine him staying out the game, you know, totally, unless,
as I alluded to earlier, unless you have him betray
the next lead of the mission possible franchise, which would
be goddamn hilarious and I would be laughing my ass off.

Speaker 3 (02:13:31):
I yes, I would love that and be thinking of
you and have it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:36):
Be exactly as incomprehensible as the last time they did it.

Speaker 3 (02:13:39):
You know, you're right, that would be incredible and we
will be pissed off, but a younger generation will be like,
I don't know, we'll we're falling this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:13:49):
Now it's fine yea, yeah, because my attention spans will
be so so, you know, just just complete microcosmic that
even three years later people were like, what who was he?
But there we go, Mission impossible, a final reckoning.

Speaker 3 (02:14:03):
It's a difficult one to you know, just sum up. Yeah,
I'm glad we were able to kind of have this discussion.

Speaker 2 (02:14:10):
It's complicated, but it's a thumbs up.

Speaker 3 (02:14:12):
I'm reckoning yep. Actually it was funny. Gabriel at one
point says something to Ethan. He's like, this is your
final Reckoning yep, And I was like, oh, did they
know they had changed the title by then or did
he originally say this is this is your Dead Reckoning
part two.

Speaker 2 (02:14:31):
This is your Mission impossible dash Dead Reckoning part two. Hunt. Yeah.
Let us know your thoughts though on what's this movie
called Final Reckoning? Yep?

Speaker 3 (02:14:43):
Yep, let us know what you thought.

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Speaker 2 (02:16:33):
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So that'll be that'll be keeping us busy. But in
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My name is Zachie a Son. Thanks everybody for listening.
We'll catch you next time.

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