Ep. 321: Jurassic World Rebirth

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome Friends, its podcast podcasting time jo Jack again by
Yeah they're talking to booming back.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three twenty one, brought
to you by Mister Boy Productions. I'm zachy Son. I'm
here with Brian hall Day.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
How's it going, Zachie. It is going, It is going.
This is uh. We're post July fourth, We're we're hauling
through the summer right now.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
There is something slightly sad to me about being post
July fourth, because I know, right it's like I feel
like the bulk of my summer is over now. That's
what it feels like for me.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I know, it's a real marker. I was thinking about
that the other day. Actually, we've talked about it on
air about how sometimes I forget about the whole I
don't think of the year in semesters and summer vacations anymore,
but like you do. Yep, you know, I mean, certainly
with your kids, but also with you being a professor.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, so there's definitely you know, once we once we
get once we get past your life fourth, I'm starting,
I'm sort of like, okay, I've got a handful of
weeks left before you know, the grind begins anew and
I enjoy the grind, I should say, I'm sure a fan.
I'm a fan of the grind, but I also enjoy
the not grind person absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I mean, I mean, who doesn't, right, But I will
say this to be optimistic. We're still in the single
digits of July as we record, so.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
That is true, and we want to cherish every every moment.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Let's live for today.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I agree. As as we discuss a pretty Bonker's summer
movie season, which certainly feels like one of the summer
movie seasons of your.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
It definitely does yep yep, especially I mean, well, I'm
very excited. We have the Nikky Gun coming up. We
have a comedy, yeah, honest to goodness comedy coming to theaters,
mixed in with with everything else. I You're right, it
feels like the world is healing a little bit well
in some ways, in some ways, in some ways.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
What have you seen lately other than the thing we're
going to talk about later in the episode.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, probably one main thing I'll talk about, but I'll
say real quick. I did start up Squid Game Okay
season three on Netflix, which is kind of fascinating because
when season one came out that was a cultural phenomenon.
It was right, I mean that Halloween people were dressing up.
I mean it was so The iconography of that show
was just so immediate and felt like it had always

(02:28):
been there in sort of a way, like the sort
of mc esher style rooms that are painted pink and
blue and the people in the pink jumpsuits and the
masks with the PlayStation symbols on them and stuff, right,
and I really enjoyed it. It seems like a show
I would hate because it's so sadistic, but something about it,

(02:49):
just the ingredients of it were just, i don't know,
perfectly calibrated for me to not mind that stuff and
just kind of enjoy it. Then he had season two,
which happened only you know, a handful of months ago,
and I feel like there was a little less fanfare
for that. Now season three has come out, the final season,
and I feel like there is like do people even
know this is out? Like it's it's amazing how quickly

(03:11):
I feel like something that everyone was so into her
at least talking about, or was, you know, in the culture,
and now this is the wrap up, and I feel
like I haven't seen anything about it. I haven't heard
anything about it. I barely knew that it had just released.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
That is interesting. Do you do you think that because
I'm I'm aware that it ended, and you know, I'm
gonna watched it with the kids.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Okay, it's the finale.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, she watched all of it. Okay. Like I said,
I haven't seen it, but the rest of the family has,
and so they've been into it. But I don't think
I was. I don't think I clocked until you mentioned it.
How there hasn't been a ton of cultural conversation surrounding it.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, And I guess the main reason I'm saying that
is because I was barely aware that it was happening,
and it is something that I've enjoyed and I do
want to see how it ends, and so and I
haven't even you know, you and I traverse the sort
of movie internet space, and I just feel like I
haven't even seen a lot written about it, and you know,

(04:15):
even people's opinions or takes on it. So I was like, oh,
that's just fascinating. Yeah, compared to the way that it
came out of the gate.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Do you think that partly that's just the Netflix model
where they just drop the whole thing and there is
no sort of extended conversation.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I do wonder if there's some sort of thinking, like
we've gotten what we need out of this already. If
you're in a squid game, you'll find it on your
grid when you open up the app. And if not,
do we need to throw all this money into this
thing when people already kind of know what it is,
you know, Like, I wonder if there is just some
sort of math behind that.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I mean, what can I say that's just some dystopian
squid game level?

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I agree, I agree, but well I'll say I'm halfway
through it just feel like, you know, a teensy bit
of the magic is gone. But because it was so
fresh and surprising and shocking when you first watched it,
and now we're seeing something we've sort of seen before,
where it's like, okay, well now they're gonna do jump rope.
You know. But what I think the strength of the

(05:23):
show is is it keeps coming up with new characters
I find interesting, you know, because there's so many characters
that basically get eliminated as the show goes on, and
I just continue to find myself liking certain people and
not wanting them to die, and I think that's why
the show is still working for me. And also there's

(05:43):
only six episodes season three, so I'm like, I have
of course I'm gonna watch those to see how it ends.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, so you haven't You haven't watched the ending yet?

Speaker 3 (05:50):
No, well, actually maybe not tonight, but this week. I'll
probably finish it this week. But what I do find
fascinating is there was i don't know a or it
was being teased that David Fincher was going to do
a US version of Squid Game, and that just felt like, yeah,
that sounds like a rumor, right, you know, he Fincher's

(06:11):
kind of become a Netflix guy, and you know, squid
Game is IP, and it just feels like that's possible,
but I'll believe it when I see it. And then
sure enough, I don't know if you saw that clip
with Kate Blenchett basically playing a version of a character
from Squid Game as like a recruiter basically, and I

(06:31):
was like, WHOA, this is happening, Like this is actually happening.
Like season three, the final season literally dropped in like
the last week or two and we're already getting someone
of David Fincher's caliber spending his time to already remake
this thing. That's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Isn't Fincher's doing the Cliff Booth movie, right, that's.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
True that you know what that's I would assume that's
going right now and we'll probably drop next year. And
my understanding is that he's shooting squid Game at the
end of this year, So well, you know what, that's
funny too, because again, there's certain people where you think,
you know, your Spielberger's, your Tarantino's, your Fincher's or Whoever's,
like they kind of have the thing that they're willing

(07:17):
to do and the thing where it's like, well, that's
not something I would spend time on, you know, because
I have my voice, and I will because I have
the blank check that I have. I'm ready to work
on the things that are strictly within my voice. And
so it's Fincher I think of as one of those people,
and that's fascinating that he's going to be shooting a

(07:38):
Tarantino script of all things, and then remaking yeah, this
this Netflix series. So I don't know, I guess I
always keep them guessing I guess.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
So yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Anyway, I still want to see Elio. By the way,
I'm gonna throw that out there. I really want to
see something original, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
You might be part of a small minority based on
how that movie is doing, oh.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Very much so. But like I still, I still would
like to see it, and I don't want to wait
for Disney. Plus, if I have the ability, I'm going
to try to see in theaters. Just throwing out there.
And I did rewatch something I saw. I wanted to
mention this. I saw f one again okay in theaters
in four d X and okay, I'll say this, and
I know I've talked about it a little bit, but

(08:26):
I wanted to mention it again. You because that's a
regal thing. I guess. Do you have theaters like that
by you where they the seats shake and it sprays
water in your face?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Not nearby?

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Okay, okay, well, you know, I'll say this. I I'm
kind of curious. I'd be interested if people want to
write in and share their experiences or feelings about for
dy X, because look, I'm not against it, because if
it's something that generates a little bit more money, for
theaters and that keeps them going and people want that.
I think that's great. I enjoyed F one all over again.

(09:02):
It's a really great time at the theater. It's why
we go to see movies on the big screen. However,
I really didn't enjoy my forty X experience.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
I would imagine so like you describing it, just I'm like,
I don't know that. It doesn't sound fun.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
You know, I'll say this, I've seen a handful of
them because my friends enjoy them.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I saw Twister the ninety six to one, okay, and
it was perfect, Like it jostled you when you needed
to be job because you know they're bouncing around in
a truck and you know it missed you. They throw
cows at you, yes, but you know it lights up
for the lightning and it missed it on you when
it was you know, rainy. It was just when there's

(09:49):
wind going through the theater. I was like, this is
what this is for. This makes complete sense. But with
F one, you know, you'd think you're sitting in this
high speed vehicle. You would give like a little jiggle
or something like this. This is like a buzz and
then maybe jerky to the right and jerky to the left.
But this, I swear it was like the seat was

(10:11):
trying to kick me out of it. Dude. I was like,
I'm I can't think. I'm like holding onto my seat
and I was like not looking at the screen. I
was like thinking about my head. And then dude, when
they're shaking champagne because they've won the race, it literally
squirted water in my face and I was like, I

(10:35):
don't want that. And then oh, and then there's that
whole race where it's raining and it just rained for
two and a half minutes on us. Oh my god,
that's just like.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
That sounds like an SNL sketch to be honest.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, like the like too far, too far, there was
a line. But dude, the theater was packed. I literally
had to sit second row because it was so full. Everybody,
And that's what I'm saying to each their own. I'm
glad if if more money to the theaters and people
want this, that's great. But I man, I was really

(11:07):
glad it wasn't the first time I watched the movie,
because I feel like the cinematography of that movie is
a good majority of why I love it, and I
felt like this time, I missed a lot of it
because I was fighting for my life, you know, like
I was like, look, I wasn't looking at the screen.
I was trying to make sense of what was happening
to me in my seat, and I would yeah, anyway,

(11:31):
it's I just had to throw that out there. It's
so anyway, my friend recently, you know, Jaws is coming
back into theaters in late August, and he went he
just put forty X or Imax. I was like Imax
Imax period.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Jaws. The seats actually bite you in half.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Oh in the best one is there's like a bar
in the seat that punches you in the back during
so and things. So it's literally like a pool like
hit in your back occasion.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I don't like any of that. None of that sounds good.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
I don't know. Anyway, I just had to throw that
out there because I went through it. I have to
use this platform.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
To well that's that's what it's for.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, But you know what, truly, if there's there are
people who who love it, I would love to hear
their perspective on it. I I don't know, I don't know.
It just you know, we all go to the movies
for different reasons, and some people want to be thrown
into the movies in ways like my whole thing when
picking a seat. Actually, sorry, this is a whole pivot,
and I actually want to know your answer to this.

(12:35):
I want to see the four corners of the screen.
I don't care if I'm close, I don't care. Well,
I don't love to be too far back, but as
long as I can see the four corners of the screen, Like,
the visuals are just the thing that I really really
love being able to take in on top of the
story and everything else, you know, more so than sound
and other things like, I just really want to see

(12:56):
what they meant to capture within that rectangle. And so
this distracted me from that, whereas other people might not matter.
It might not matter as much. Maybe they like sitting
close to the front and they don't need to see
all the corners. They just want to feel immersed. That
I can understand. Yeah, what about you, where do you
like to when you pick a seat? What's your preference?

Speaker 2 (13:18):
So generally middle and screen left.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Screen left? Okay? Is there a reason for that or
that just happens to be where you tech?

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I just generally, I you know, one thing I've always
it's just been sort of inculcated in me, is that
this our focus tends to be screen left and shots
are tend to be composed more that way. So that's
just been my habit, and now I'm just old and

(13:47):
set in my ways. It's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, I get that, I'd say for us funny enough.
When I'm with my friends, certain friends, we always go
screen left, but we do this certain row where there's
like these bars that you can put your feet up on.
Oh sure, yeah, so we're a little bit closer and
a little bit more left than some people may want
to be. But I've just gotten very used to it,
and I just love that I can put my feet

(14:13):
up and not bother anybody.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's where we watched Madam Webb. Yes, yes, and thank
goodness for that. Wou wouldn't want to have missed any
of those four corners.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I still think of walking out of that movie and
that one guy who is in our screen, he looked
at us and he's like, man, that was so funny.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
What else anything else you've seen recently?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Well, Zachie, I watched something because I was getting strong
suggestions from a close friend that I should wrap up
a series that I had begun and kind of walked
away from I finished and or may yes, And strictly
because of your nudging.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
My incessant pestering.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, I was noticing they were getting more and more
insistent and more and more forceful. I was like, during
the f one episode, I noticed even just a little
bit of like, so you know more so in your voice.
I was like, Oh, this is this isn't going to stop,
this is it's only going to escalate. So I was like, Okay, okay,

(15:28):
I'm gonna do this, and this is the honest truth.
And I told you this already through texts. I believed you,
like when you said that this was going to be
good and worth my time. And even though I wasn't
feeling as invested as I would have liked, I knew.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
You were right.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
I believed you. Especially when you think I'll like something,
I would say like nine and a half out of
ten times you were right on the money. So truly
it was you nudging me that got me back, and
you were right. I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Well, I'm glad. I'm glad you're enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yeah, I just you know to go through it really briefly.
I mean I started, I enjoyed season one. I think
it's a slow burned style of a story, and so
I've understood why some people got into it and other
people didn't. But I was in the right mood for it,
and I enjoyed, you know, seeing a Star Wars story

(16:21):
in a different kind of arena of the Star Wars universe,
with different sorts of characters. So season one enjoyed it.
Season two, I don't know if it was just the
timing was a little off for me or something, but
I just was having a hard time finding my way
into it. And I already mentioned this, but you know,
and or runs into these unorganized rebellion like soldiers basically,

(16:48):
which I appreciated. I do appreciate seeing like the early
stage rebellion, the squabbling, how unorganized it is. I just
felt like the story itself in those first three episodes
felt a little stretched thin, m hm. And so it
was making me a little nervous that I had nine
more episodes to go. Okay anyway, So then four through

(17:08):
six was what I also watched. I watched basically one
through six together, and four through six I enjoyed. We
got into a little bit of the spycraft of things.
You know, there's like a secret device that maybe uncovered,
so we got to get it back, and that was
the stuff. I was like, oh, yeah, okay, this is good.
I'm enjoying this. But I mentioned to you, I I

(17:30):
just wasn't finding enough of a connection with the characters personally. Yeah,
and so really the only reason for me at that
point to keep going was to find out what was
going to happen next. And I see, okay, And so
that's why when I had an interruption, maybe it was
like a couple movies we had to watch or something suddenly,

(17:53):
it never became the thing that was top of my
list to get back to. The intrigue was good, it
was ramping up and it was good, but just other
things were becoming more enticing. But then you were encouraging me,
give me crap whatever you want to call it, every
week to watch it. So I finally went back, and

(18:15):
then I watched seven through nine, which I thought were fantastic.
I mean, this, it's what I really loved about. It
was and I'm trying to I'm being intentionally vague because
for people who haven't watched it. I don't want to
spoil certain things, but what I really loved about it
was it really gave you like a boots on the
ground look at the galaxy in turmoil under the Empire,

(18:38):
Like what is that really like? And what are the
sort of real world feeling ways that the Empire sucks
and they're making life miserable, I mean, instigating genocides.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
And.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
It for me helped me to better understand in the
best way, like why, Luke, someone on this distant you know,
sand planet would feel so compelled to join the fight
because we know he wants to join, and it's like,
of course he wants to join the good guys, and
we can understand that on a general level. But seeing
this and knowing what's going on all over the galaxy

(19:17):
and how miserable it is and innocent people being killed
and the Empire just getting their way and plowing over
people like it was really palpable, and I would say
gave me a greater appreciation of the Star Wars universe.
And so I really enjoyed those episodes. Man, Mathma really,
I mean, she's always been an interesting character, but she's

(19:39):
got some really good stuff going on in there, you know,
her and and or mixing together toward the end of that.
You know, seven, eight and nine was really great, thrilling stuff,
so that I was like, oh, I'm I'm really glad
that Zachi talked me into this and got me back.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So that's great.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Yeah. Then finally, you know, ten through twelve, this had
the character stuff I've been for. You know, Luthan and Claya.
You get like a little bit of a backstory, and
I don't know how you would have weaved it in earlier,
but if you have the patience to get to episode ten,
it really builds them out in a way that I

(20:15):
really loved. You get k Twoso in the mix again,
and it becomes kind of like Rogue Oney Shenanigans and
it's just fun, just fun spy adventure stuff and setting
right up to Rogue one. Right, This hes off right

(20:38):
where Rogue one picks.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Up, it ends and Rogue one starts.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
And I would say, in a way that doesn't feel like, yeah,
Rogue one is an interesting sort of build up to
a new Hope and this is also kind of an
interesting build up. I thought this was an interesting build
up to Rogue one. Yes, it's still adding more pieces
to the puzzle of how all these people had to
step up and stick their necks out and possibly sacrifice themselves,

(21:05):
you know, and become double agents or you know, die
for the cause. All this had to happen for Luke
to get to his moment where he gets to blow
up the dust Star.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
And I found it rich and interesting and definitely worth it.
So it's it was a little difficult for me to
get into it, but when all of a sudden done,
my brother he's become kind of skeptical of Star Wars things.
He needs a real recommendation after the sequels, frankly, and
he loves Rogue one, and he's gotten really into the
novels as I've mentioned. But I felt strongly enough about

(21:39):
this that I was like, I know, at the beginning
you might not be so sure, but I think when
you're done with this, you're gonna feel like it was
additive to your enjoyment of the Star Wars universe.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah. Well, I you know, I've seen the whole season
twice now, and I mean I think it's singularly, you know,
the best thing that Disney has done. When we take
Rogue one and and or together. That's it enriches it

(22:14):
rather than you know, indulges in a lot of fan service.
And I don't mind fan service, it has its place,
but uh, when when I look at the total, the
totality of what Disney has done with the franchise, I'm like,
look that this is I was gonna say, this is
the way. I mean, it is the way though it is.

(22:37):
And I can't remember if I said this on the show,
but it's endlessly amusing to me that the genesis of
the and Or series was essentially, you know, the Disney
plus folks being like, oh, you know, you should do
like and Or and K two and have like their
adventures together. And Tony Gilroy is like, no, I'm not

(22:59):
doing that, all right, right, and and we got something
so much richer as a result. And we do get
some K two in there, but you know, I think
the what we get in the lead up to that
is so much more fulfilling. I mean what you said,
episodes seven through nine, I mean that's just some of

(23:21):
the best Star Wars I've ever seen. Period.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah. I told my brother, I was like, I recommend
it all because I think it's helpful to have the
earlier stuff. But if you must, yeah, at least watch seven,
eight and nine.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, yeah, well I hope people will will it will
pay heed to your recommendation.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Yeah, my late arrival to the party.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Hey, we got we got some listener leaders here, Brian.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Be eighteen thousands all addressed. You've got malo.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Okay, here's a note we got from alex Naom who says,
good day mates. I don't know how many Australian listeners
and or patreonites you have, however many that is could
never be enough for such a fine program. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, thanks, Els.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's really nice. But I was tough to hear you
mentioned the Dry in your f one episode. You may
recall I mentioned that that's the franchise starring Eric Banna,
Right right, that's right, He says. It is such a
great little mystery film. The performances are great, how the
mystery unfolds is intriguing, and I love how the environment
is portrayed as oppressive and suffocating with how dry and

(24:41):
isolating it is. The cast is pretty impressive too, with
how much they've permeated pop culture. You have the Hulk
and Hector, Eric Banna, Rozal Ghoul from Arrow Matt Nabel,
the Mouth of Sourn and the gyrocopter pilot Bruce Spence,
mon Freakin' mathma Hey, navivl Riley, and the repe artist's
brother from Wedding Crashers kier O'Donnell. That cast makes me

(25:04):
want to say, in my best Brian impression, I mean,
come on, what's not to like?

Speaker 3 (25:10):
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
That's you, Brian, that's you know. I see I see
a T shirt of you with kind of like your
hands and like a shrug emoji, like.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Like yeah, I send that Inji.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I'm very curious to hear what you two think about
Jurassic World Rebirth. Oh oh, you'll get our thoughts. A
personal emergency made me leave the theater and miss everything
after them starting to ab sail down a cliff. But
what I liked about the film is how the dinosaurs
were filmed with such reverence. I thought, that's why you
hire Gareth Edwards. The action sequences were really well done

(25:45):
and made the dinosaurs really menacing. It was probably the
most edge of your seat Jurassic movie since The Lost World.
M Okay, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Dude, I am on the edge of my seat to
talk about this movie.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
With you.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, so Alex went on to say a little bit
of a spoiler, and I'll hold off on that.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh uh okay, yeah yeah, I was trying to read
a real fest Yeah, gotchah.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
He closes by saying, thanks as always for the stellar
work you two do and how much time you dedicate
to entertaining and informing us. Best wishes to you both
and to all the listeners out there, wannas regards Alex.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Thank you, Alex, Yes, thank you very much, Alex.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Here's one we got from Charles Landy. This is on Facebook,
and this is in regards to our commentary track for
Jurassic World, the first film that we just dropped. He says,
I genuinely do love this big dumb movie. But what
makes me include the word dumb in that description is
the dialogue. It's terrible, and it's everywhere.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
It's terrible, and it's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I don't know why you would put Bert Macklin FBI
in your movie and then give all the lines that
were meant to be funny to an annoying nothing character
like Jake Johnson.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
This is good.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I love the faux military jargon that Chris Pratt gets
to rattle off. I've had Raptors got a new Alpha
stuck in my head all week. But come on, he's
a funny guy. Let him be funny. And the younger
brother inexplicably asks how much the island weighs, but how
many pounds? It just feels like words that human beings
do not say. The older brother is just a dick

(27:19):
and a borderline creepy stalker dick who already has a
girlfriend back home to thank you, thank you, that is.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's what I kept saying. He's like it was directed
so weird.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
That was weird.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah, anyway, that.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Said, though, Colin Travarro does a bang up job directing
and keeping it moving like any good Jurassic movie should.
For me, he's got James Cameron disease. He's a good
director who can't create three dimensional characters that feel like
normal human things to save his life. Interesting anyway, Hey,
fun movie, Raptor's got a new alpha.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
That's great, Charles.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
I know.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
I hear that about James Cameron a lot. I can't
say I entirely agree. Although he has his awkward moments,
I do feel like he also reaches really heartwarming moments.
I agree, you know, I mean Titanic off the top
of my head. Terminator two, of course, off the top
of my head. You know, even you know, even true lies.

(28:18):
I agree, but I do appreciate. I was reading something
about this new Jurassic. I haven't seen a lot of
reviews for the new Jurassic movie, so that's why I'm
very curious to talk about with you. I did see
one thing that was giving Trevorrow a hard time, and
I was like, look, man, I don't know. I didn't
see the Book of Henry or whatever it was called.
And I know, you know, the last Jurassic leaves something

(28:42):
to be desired for some people. I don't even remember it.
I can't even comment on it because I don't remember
it very well. But I always feel in my mind
that I don't love Jurassic World, and then when I
rewatch it, I go, oh, you know, that's actually not
as bad as I remember. Yeah, you know, And I
think we commented several times on how it's like very
not just competently directed, but pretty well directed.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I would agree throughout.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
So I appreciate Charles calling that out because I do
think he did a pretty good job.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, after we recorded our commentary for Dressic World. I
went and watched the other two films in that trilogy,
and you know, I think that Charles's critique of the
Pratt character is addressed in the second one, and that
he is he is a little more, a little more
pretty and get some funny lines. It's weird how we've

(29:31):
talked about this. There's there's been this weird. I don't
know if it's just an online phenomenon only or people
have decided they hate Chris Pratt right right, right, And
I don't hate him. I find him generally charming.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, no, I'm same, you know, Yeah, I think I
think we might have mentioned this, but sometimes he's on
fire when he's slotted into the right character, That is true.
And I don't think that he can just play any
leading man, right, because then he's not allowed to do
the thing that he does best. So yeah, I think

(30:08):
though that what he does do well, he does very well.
And I would like to see him maybe in some more,
you know, a loof comedic kind of roles.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Again, Like remember when everyone and their cousin was fan
casting him as Indiana Jones. I do yeah, yeah right,
And I was like, no, yeah, right, I was like nothing, no, no,
no Shade, no cap no cap Trist Chris Pratt. But
I'm like, he doesn't have that specific indie mojo.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
You know, well you've heard that. I mean, that's like
the rumor floating around right now, right that lucasfilm is
you know, thinking about rebooting. Yeah, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well? Okay, so first of all, of course they're thinking
about it, like why they be thinking about it, right?
And I'm sure what has precipitated those thoughts even further
is the fact that that last video game to put
out did pretty well, right, Yeah, yeah, I what I've
heard is they're they're gonna let the franchise sit for

(31:10):
a little while.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
I think it's a good idea, right.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
I have no illusions about the idea that that indie
is going into a drawer forever. I I've always said, look,
at some point, this is an ip and it will
be revisited, right, And yes, that probably means at some
point it gets recast, right, I would say, maybe don't

(31:34):
do it while Harrison is still around.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, I don't want to. It's hard for me to
think that way, right for what that means, But I
think you're right, Yeah, as long as he's around it.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Man, you know there's just something there's something unseemly about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right,
And and I I honestly think, like, look, you could
put out eight more of those video games and people
will play them. Yeah, Like why not just do that?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
You know? Do do something animated, you know, like not
CG animated or not not like Weird Uncanny Valley animated.
But do you know, do do something you know?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
No, I say, go full Polar Express, like Dead behind
the Eyes.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Go full Final Fantasy, the Spirits Within with the CGI
Ben Affleck voiced by Alec Baldwin. It's just full on
nightmare juice. Yeah, I think that that. I view it
as an inevitability. At some point there will be in

(32:41):
Indiana Jones not played by Harrison for I don't think
you need to do it right away. And I I
remember saying so much two years ago, like I in
a way it it in a weird way. It helps
that the last movie tanked so badly that it maybe
makes them slow their role a little bit, right as
far as is pressing ahead with more Indiana Jones, Right,

(33:02):
you know, I always go back to my conversation with
Lawrence Kasten, who wrote Raiders a lot of Stark and
so he certainly has some some skin in the game.
And I said, can you see anybody else playing that role?
And he says, well, I don't envy them number one,
but number two, why not just create a new thing?
You know, Indiana Jones was a pastiche. Do another pastiche,

(33:25):
right right? You know, we don't live in that reality unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Isn't that funny though? We've talked about this sort of
where you know, the speaking of pastiches. I mean when
that those Indiana Jones movies were coming out and we
were kids, those filmmakers were riffing on stuff from when
they were kids, but we weren't familiar with that stuff, right,
So Indy felt fresh to me, right like. And it

(33:53):
wasn't like our parents were like, oh that's the total.
That's like those old serious you know, like nobody was
queuing those up on weren't still playing on TV, they
weren't being re released in theaters. But now we live
in a world where Indiana Jones is like forty four
years old and still I mean, I saw it's playing
in a theater to night near my house. You know
what I mean. So it's never really gone away. So

(34:15):
it makes it more difficult than to do Indiana Jones
pastiche because Indiana Jones is still here with us.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's kind of a unique thing that wasn't happening when
these things were first introduced.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I I know I've said this before, but you know
the time to recast Indy was after the Last Crusade.
If you're it once, you came back almost twenty years later,
and you're like, hey, here's Indy as an older man,
and then we again, hey here's him as a you know, octogenarian.
You pretty much locked in Harrison Ford into that role,

(34:53):
which I don't have a problem with. And I also think,
like Harrison Ford is the kind of movie star we
are very unlikely to ever see again. Yes, and and
so why why give whichever like Indy two point zero?
Why saddle him with that baggage? You're not Harrison Ford?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Why? Why do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's
it's too high a hill for most actors to be
able to climb.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, you know, it makes me think of the James
Bond upcoming film, and they've listed some young men who
are in the running for it, and my reactions were
from no, no, no, to who you know? And I
mean it just illuminates the fact that there really hasn't

(35:47):
been another crop of superstars.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, not not that that us US oldsters are familiar with, certainly.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah yeah, but I mean that's true, and that could
have a lot to do with the fact that we
don't have a mono culture anymore, because you know, in
the monoculture when we were going on Tom Cruise, Harrison Ford,
Julia Roberts, you know, Sandra Bullock. But there isn't anything
like that. So yeah, they maybe that's that's a good point, Zachy,
because if I clicked on these people's instagrams, they may

(36:16):
have like one hundred million followers, and I'll be like, well,
I'll be damned, you know. But what does that mean
to the movie going world. Maybe something, maybe nothing. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Well, I think your point is very well stated in
that who are the new superstars? Right? Like, using Tom
Cruise as an example, anyone between the ages of you know,
eighty and eight knows who Tom Cruises. My daughter is eight.
If you should, oh that's Tom Cruise. And again you

(36:48):
show that picture to somebody in their eighties, they would
know Tom Cruisers. Give me, give me another example like
that of anybody who's come up in this century. Yeah, right,
doesn't doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
And there's nothing wrong with that necessarily. That's just the
way that the culture is moving forward. But it's just interesting, but.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
It makes it harder to have these blockbuster events that
really transcend any one specific demographic, right. I mean there's
a reason that, for example, the Mission Impossible movies work
in a way that very few other franchises do. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, Okay,

(37:28):
you know we're discussing today is an example of a
franchise that works in a way very few franchises do.
But that's not because of a singular star, you know, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
And I was just going to bring up as long
as we're talking about Tom Cruise and Mission Impossible, I mean,
you have is it Rogue Nation, the one with Jeremy Renner,
And there.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Was a ghost protocol and.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Ghost protocol sorry, yeah, And and there was the thinking that, oh, well,
maybe Cruise will eventually step aside and Renner will step
up as the the guy. But and Renner, you know,
he's is great that he does. But those movies are
Tom Cruise. You know, that's that's that's mission impossible, and
which makes me think it'll be difficult if they try

(38:06):
to keep Mission Impossible going without Tom Cruise. I mean,
the star power is a big part of the juice
of those things.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, well it I mean, that's that's very comparable to
the Indiana Jones situation, right, yeah, good luck? What what
actor do you want to slot into that role?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah? I mean at this point, Harrison Ford is Indiana
Jones or Indiana Jones is Harrison Ford, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And and Tom Cruise is mission impossible. It doesn't matter
if you have another agent, right, It's like, no, we
want to see Tom Cruise hanging from stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Right right you know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Uh that that well should be should be interesting. I suspect.
I suspect at this stage the Indiana Jones news is
just hushed whispers, you know. Yeah, yeah, but I do
expect it to get more real as more time goes by.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah, and for now, I really enjoyed the video game
The Great Circle, and I would love them to make
you know, more of those over the years. That would
keep me satisfied with my Indiana Jones needs.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah. Well, and and I'm repeating myself here too, But
what's wrong with it just being five movies and that's it?
Like that's it, the story ended, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, that'd be nice, Like it's okay, but it's it's
an ip.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Anyway, here's another ip, Brian. Yes, a new trailer that
just dropped past week for the remake of The Running Man. Yes,
it was directed by Edgar Wright and its stars Glenn
Pound the lead ule. Why don't we play some of
the trailer audio here? First, people in these games never
come back. I'm not trying to give myself killed, so

(39:55):
kiss my ass twice.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Right there is why you can win this game. The
rules are simple, survive thirty days the entire nation haunting
me down. We'll get your family had a slumicide for good.
I'm gonna come back here and burn this building down.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I promise. That's the spirit. Okay. So, first of all,
where are you at with the original film from nineteen
eighty eight?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
You know, it's funny. This is one of those movies
I never saw as a kid.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I've heard people mention it just the title, like as
an eighties Schwarzenegger movie and a couple of years ago,
I thought, how have I missed this? So I watched it.
I'm gonna be honest, I don't even really remember it
very well.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
It is kind of forgettable, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
But it's a it's a cool idea, I mean, especially
in the eighties. I mean now, it doesn't feel too
far from the entertainment we have anyway. Yeah, it's true.
I mean, well we should say, right, it's based off
of Stephen King's story.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Writing suonymously, I think it Richard Bachman, there you go, yep.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
And basically, I mean, would you say dystopian like future,
some sort of future?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
It's pretty dystopian.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Yeah. And there's a game show where prisoners people are
trying to kill them, and the people get to watch
on television as these prisoners try to evade these people
trying to kill them and win the game.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
That's the gist of it. And and so that the
original and it wasn't it was eighty seven at eighty eight,
but it it is a perfectly cromulent movie.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Yeah, yeah, sure, totally fine.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
It's very much of that era. It's it's peak Schwarzenegger.
And you know it came out the same year as Predator.
I would say Predator is the superior Schwartzenegger definite joint
from there, it's totally fine. But but I think that
this remake is exactly what you should I haven't seen

(41:56):
the movie, admittedly, but exactly the approach you should take
with Three May is where you're like, Okay, what's a
movie that has an interesting premise but doesn't necessarily fully
live up to its premise boom.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Right totally and it's not like some sort of classic,
you know exactly?

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, Like I don't know that. Like, like I
remember when the remake of Total Recall came out of
you know, a couple of years back, thirteen years ago,
it was like, why, like the original one did it well?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
And you remember all of the things from it exactly,
So then you're just waiting for them to either repeat
it or try to improve upon it, which is probably
not going to happen this one. Like I said, I
watched it a couple of years ago and I don't
remember it very well.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, and you know, it's directed by by Paul Michael
Glazer the original and he was he was Starsky of
Starsky and Hutch fame, and you know, he did a
functional job. You know it again. It's like, I don't
dislike movie. I think it's totally fine for what it is.
But you say, oh, Edgar Wright has a take that

(43:00):
has me intrigued. I'm generally a fan of Glenn Powell
based on what he's done recently, so I was already intrigued.
I see the trailer, I'm like, oh, man, this looks
like it could be a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Totally totally. I mean, Edgar Wright is very interesting. I
feel like I'm always on board for an Edgar Wright movie,
and because at the very least they're going to be
a fun watch, right. I remember Last Night and Soho
was one of those movies that I so badly wanted
to like, and I feel like I admired it more
than I actually enjoyed it, because like, the story just

(43:35):
kinda loses itself as it goes along and just loses
its way and just becomes something like, oh, okay, I
guess that's it. But the premise is so intriguing and
the execution is so unique and watchable in Edgar, which
is Edgar Wright's style. So yeah, like this kind of

(43:55):
a story like a futuristic game show where someone's running
literally for their life as everybody watches along from someone
who's got like those you know, crazy superstylized you know visuals,
and even just down to the sound design and the
editing that Edgar Wright does. Sign me up.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I agree. Yeah, So this one comes out the beginning
of November. It actually comes out the same day as
the new Predator movie. I believe.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Oh wow, okay, which seems like one of these.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Movies should move.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, they feel like, yeah, eating each other's audience.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, so, uh November seventh, but I am, I am
excited to see that.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Yeah. Well that's kind of funny though too. I mean,
if they the originals both came out. Original Predator in
the original Running Man came out the same nineteen eighty seven,
and here we are now the same date. Yeah, twenty
five weird right, Yeah, well not a remake, I guess.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah. This, the Running Man remake came out roughly at
the same time in nineteen eighty seven, November thirteenth, and
this is November seventh. So yeah, getting all that nostalgic
Running Man audience, we better get a cameo by by
Jesse Ventura as Captain Freedom.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I watched it. I don't even remember that.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I I just I remember the various uh you know,
the the hunters or whatever they're called, Like one of
them is called sub Zero.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Oh funny.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
And then there's the electric guy, right, I swear.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Man it went. It went in one eyeball, and I'm
trying to do the one year out the other. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I kind of applaud the you know, the novelty of
having Richard Dawson, you know, of of family feud play
the evil game.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Show host that was yes, so it should be like
Steve Harvey in this one.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Writing right, and do you know it's just Schwarzenegger being
all Schwartzeger because the movie starts with him he's like,
you know, he's sent to prison wrongly because you know,
the the fascist government is telling him he's like a
helicopter pilot and they're telling him to fire on these
protesters and he says, the hell would you. I'm not

(46:15):
firing unarmed civilians. And then you know, and he gets
his one liners either he kills sub Zero and then
he says he says, hey Killian. Yeah sub Zero now
playing zero.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Really, Yeah, it's pretty good. That's hilarious. Maybe I should
we watch it?

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Well, I feel like we may want to. We won't
we want to go. We may want to commentary track
that one, you know, before this new one comes out.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
That could be a lot of fun. I bet it's
like ninety minutes.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, let me let me look it up. What's the
what's the run time? Oh it says two and eighty minutes. No, noah,
it's like one hundred minutes, soaking wet, perfect. That might
be a fun one.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Yeah, we'll see what We'll.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Be talking about the Running Man this fall.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Hey, Brian, we got some headlines extrao. Okay, Well, just
to start things off, a lot of famous faces and
names have passed away since the last time we talked,
and I wanted to pay them their due respect. Yep, yep,

(47:29):
we lost Michael Madson.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, that was very sad, surprised Michael.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Michael Madson kind of one of the one of I
feel like he was so indelibly linked to Tarantino that
like he just sort of had he I either Tarantino, uh,
you know, was able to transfer some of the coolness
of his movies to Madsen or Michael Madsen just transferred

(47:57):
his own coolness to Tarantino.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, well, I mean certainly in Reservoir Dogs. I mean
he's unforgettable, especially, I mean he's great in Kill Bill
and everything else. But like I mean him doing that
dance with the razor in his hand. I mean, it's
that's the thing you remember from that movie. And I
who else, who else could pull off the like kind
of cool, very very sadistic and menacing balance that he

(48:23):
does in that scene. It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Yeah, Michael Madsen, I should say he was a native
Chicagoan born September twenty fifth, nineteen fifty seven, so exactly,
you know, twenty two years before me in the very
same city.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
And of course he is. He was an older brother
of Virginia Manson.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Yeah. Yeah, I saw she She announced it, didn't she
She did.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
She wrote a very very poignant statement talking about just
everything that he encompassed but a captain by saying I
miss my brother, which ultimately, I mean, that's that's really
what it comes down to. Yeah. But but what a career, right, Obviously,
the the Tarantino films, but in addition to that, he

(49:11):
was in War Games, He's in the Natural Wow. He
was in the original species Donnie Brosco. He's in Telman
Louise of.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Course, right right, Free Willie for Free Willy.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I haven't seen that many many years, but seeing that now,
I'm like, oh, I do remember that, and being in
there he wasn't die another day as kind of they
were setting him up to be kind of the Felix
Lighter character. Hmmm for for Pierce bras AND's I remember that.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, he's well, not not a huge role in that film,
but enough to be like, oh, there's more coming, which
you know that unfortunately didn't happen, but you know, a
remarkable career, a lengthy career. And he talked about how,
you know, he sort of just ended up becoming an actor.
He would have been happy being a bricklayer, and yet

(50:00):
what he brought was something so singular.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, and you know, uh, having worked at
Bob's Burgers, there's a little bit of lore around Michael Madsen.
Basically I don't remember what season it is. This is
before my time, but the story keeps getting handed down.
There's an episode where Tim Cup is playing I guess
and like Kevin Costner in the Bob's Burgers universe, Kevin

(50:25):
Costner's in there and he has this line and Michael
Madsen plays Kevin Costner, but this one line and the
reason that is is Madson. His driver dropped him off
at the wrong building one day, okay, which happened to
be the Bob's Burgers building. Get out of here, and
one of the employees on the show, one of the
crew saw him and was like, are you Michael Madsen

(50:49):
And he's like yeah, and he's like, uh, I mean,
we're like recording an episode. Do you want to do
a line? And he's like sure. So they come in
They're like, I haven't been Avin Costner. So he does
like one line in the episode, Michael Madson and then
he went on his way.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Isn't that great?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Amazing? I love that. Yeah, a remarkable career and you know,
he is one of those actors' work is going to
be watched forever. Yep, yep, So he will be missed.
Michael Madison gone at age sixty seven. Also, this one
was surprising. Julian McMahon has passed away.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, yeah, another I'm fifty six.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Fifty six, so he had been dealing with cancer for
a little while. It was a private battle at cancer.
But you know, we were just a couple of weeks
ago we were talking about the show Nip Tuck in
the context of I don't remember how we were talking
about Niptuck. Oh, we were talking about Dylan Walsh in Congo. Oh,

(51:53):
that's right, and how he was just a few years
removed from Nip Tuck and Julian McMahon really like that's
the movie that launched him into a whole different level.
He played Christian Troy, you know, the The Devil May
Care plastic surgeon. But before that he had been on
you know, he had been on Charmed and various other things,

(52:16):
probably best known in the movies for having played Doctor
Doom in the Fantastic Four films in the two thousands.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Recently he was on FBI Most Wanted. And you talk
about like the perfect kind of role for an actor
like Julian McMahon was being the lead in a procedural,
Oh totally, because they rest on the charisma of the
main character, and this is a guy who was always charismatic. Yeah.

(52:46):
I actually just saw him a few months ago in
the residence. Yeah, it's the Netflix series about a murder
in the White House residence.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
That's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And he played the Australian Prime mini stir oh interesting,
which is uh, doubly appropriate because his father was the
the Australian Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Oh wow, funny.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
So his father or his or his grandfather, he's he
has descended from from Australian Uh. You know, I was
gonna say royalty. That's not right, you know, yeah, political royalty,
you know. Yeah, but just just a charming guy. And
and I think the most important thing is always with
these things, what we hear in the wake of his

(53:32):
passing is all the people talking about what a decent
person he was, which is always you know, ultimately that's
the legacy you leave behind.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
And I saw a very nice tribute by by Dylan
Walsh from uh from from Niptok, which I wanted to share.
And this is this, This is a statement to the
New York Post and he's Dear Jewels, I know you
like to flat the boundaries, but this time you've gone

(54:03):
too far. Let's meet at the Biltmore, have a martini
and we'll talk this through. We'll laugh hard. The valet
will bring up your hummer and right behind my hatchback
with car seats and bird shit out of the window.
We've laughed at this too many times. Now it's just us.
You'll kiss me on the cheek and say bye Dell,
goodbye Jewles.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Jesus make me tear up all right?

Speaker 2 (54:26):
You know, this is what he had told Deadline. He says,
I'm stunned. We rode this wave together and I loved him.
My heart goes out to Kelly and his daughter Maddie Jewles.
I know you'd want me to say something to make
you smile. All the inside jokes, all those years you
had my back, and my god, we laughed. My heart
is with you, and I've been just seeing variations of

(54:47):
that from everybody. Yeah, you know, Alyssa Milano, who played
his wife on Charmed, said something very similar, and you know,
it's just, I mean, just a really unique presence, you know.
Like I said, I I you know, I would I
would occasionally dip into two FBI most wanted and I

(55:08):
was like, I mean, it was a great role for him.
And he left that show, I would imagine because of
his illness, right, you know, and Dylan McDermott took over
on that. But regardless, it's just it's like fifty six,
is he young?

Speaker 3 (55:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Oh yeah, that's that's hopskipping a jump from where we are,
you know, I know. And these type of things do
sort of make you, make you uniquely cognizant of how short,
how short a span we have, absolutely, even even with
the best of circumstances, you know, Julian McMahon, he will

(55:45):
be missed. Here's someone else who passed away, Mark Snow.
Not composer, the composer, Mark Snow. Right, so he was
seventy eight years old, and I was thinking, I was like,
Mark Snow had a remark career that stretched from the
nineteen seventies all the way to to you know, just

(56:06):
just a few years ago. Right, But if nothing else,
if nothing else, he will live forever because he composed
the theme music for The X Files.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Which is incredible, right, yeah, one of those iconic themes.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Right like that, that's a piece of music that even
people who haven't seen the show know that music, right,
And certainly for me, I remember being in high school
when The X Files came on and paying attention to
Mark Snow's name because of that music, and so as
a result, I became aware every time he did other stuff, right,

(56:45):
so he did, you know he did He did music
for Peewee's Playhouse, and he did music for Falcon Kres
all this other stuff in the past, but in moving
forward for me, it was, you know, he did music
for Smallville. He did music for this terrific sh show
which nobody watched called nowhere Man starring Bruce Greenwood the

(57:06):
Twilight Zone in the early two thousands. And just just
you know, a dependable television composer.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Holy cow, Ernest Saves Christmas. That was a Brian Hall
ten year old classic.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Look at that. You were imbibing his work and you
didn't even know it.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah, you know. Wow, So it's all over the place.
That's that's amazing, very diverse.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
What a legacy. Yeah you know so that too again cancer, Yeah,
but but a remarkable run. And then one last thing
I wanted to mention real quick is Jim Shooter passed
away and and and he too was relatively young. He

(57:51):
was seventy three. And I suspect you don't know Jim Shooter.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Now I had to look him up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
So Jim Shooter was editor in chief of Marvel Comics
during the late seven into the late eighties and really
an important and controversial figure in the history of the
comic book industry. But when we look at some of
the highest highs that Marvel achieved during the eighties, it

(58:16):
was on his watch. Okay, So things like Frank Miller
becoming a prominent you know creator happened under Shooter, where
he became writer and artist of Daredevil, you know, the
original Secret Wars series, which is about to become a movie,
you know, in the in the next couple of years.
I was written by Jim Shooter. Jim Shooter started writing

(58:39):
comics at age get this, fourteen, wow, fourteen. So he
he was a he was a kid, and you know,
he would he would be reading comics. So he was,
he was, he was he had had served or whatever,

(59:00):
and he's in the hospital, you know, reading comics, and
he realizes that, you know, these Marvel comics this is
like early sixties, are better than these d C comics.
And so what he does again he's like thirteen fourteen,
he he he draws up d C comics that are

(59:21):
written in the style of Marvel comics, and he sends
them to the editor at d C, mort Weisinger, who
is the supermanitor, and that guy's like, hey, these are
pretty good, and he reaches out to him and this
is all via telephone, so he doesn't realize that this
is like a little kid. This should be a movie, right,
Isn't that amazing?

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It's a great story.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
And so that's how he got into the game. He
would just write these comics, you know, Legion of Superheroes
and super Boy, et cetera. And then eventually, as he
got a little bit older, he went over to Marvel,
and you know, he said that what you have to
realize is in the seventies Marvel had just our musical

(01:00:02):
chairs when it came to editors in cheap because he
had stan Lee, he was the big guy. He vacates
that chair because he takes more of a corporate role,
and then you have people coming in who are more creatives,
and you know, there's this there's the sense of like
the wheels are starting to come off the wagon. Books
are late and whatever. And so in the late seventies,
Shooter takes over and he institutes, you know, strict deadlines,

(01:00:25):
and he institutes essentially a fill in policy where if
a book is running late, then we have a fill
in issue. That slotted so that we don't miss a deadline.
This is like kind of basic stuff, right, but this
was not happening, and so all of that's helped kind
of write the ship. And you know, royalties came in

(01:00:47):
under his watch, So a lot of good stuff he did.
I want to be clear, he was a controversial figure
because he was also very very polarizing in terms of
the people he worked with. And so I think I
think any any remembrance has to include.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
That, what do you mean, the people that he worked with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I think he had very strong views about how certain
things should be. And I think my sense is it's
one thing if you're trying to fix things that are broken.
It's another thing if things are working fine and you
keep trying to fix them. And I would imagine that
was part of his tendency. Okay, right, But regardless, left

(01:01:27):
a very big market Marvel, and then he later went
on he continued writing. I mean, he wrote he was
back at d C in the mid two thousands and stuff,
and he was in charge of various companies. But the
history that he helped bring about again, I've said this before,
you know, with regards to Peter David, the writer who

(01:01:47):
passed to me a couple of weeks ago. I don't
think you get to our conception of Marvel as we
know it today without the work that Jim Shooter did
in the eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
You know, so the big, big mark that the impact
is going to be felt for a long time. I also,
you know, I I think that the Spider Man's black costume,
right like that, that doesn't happen without Jim Shooter. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
I remember reading about how how the Disney folks reached
out to him to give him some kind of a
payout for essentially to say to not to not say
he has any claim to the black suit, really, you know.
And and he's like, yeah, it's fine, I'll sign whatever. Like, no,

(01:02:43):
you're not, like you already paid. I got paid for
it back in the day. I'm not owed to anything
beyond that which which agree or disagree with that sentiment.
I can respect him taking that position. Yeah, sure, you
know what I mean that that's that's not nothing. You know.
So an intro sting figure and certainly an important one
in the history of American comics.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
I'm happy to have learned about him. I'm glad you
brought him up.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, so he gone at seventy three again cancer. I
think the thread this week is f cancer. Yeah, seriously,
because god damn yeah, all of them. They will be missed.
We have more headlines. However, Hey, here's something, Brian, I'm

(01:03:27):
very curious to hear what you think about this, Michael Bay.
We're fans of Michael Bay, here are we?

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yes? I mean I can laugh at the same time
as admitting that he still knows how to dazzle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Certainly, with the right tool kit, he can build you
something impressive. Well, he may be headed back to something
that I don't know if it will dazzle you, Brian,
But it's looking like Michael Bay maybe in the process
of reuniting with the Transformers franchise. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
That. Look, Transformers one is a lot of fun, it is.
I've seen all of them. I don't remember much from.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
All of all of his movies.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Yeah, oh, there's only one I have not seen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
And you didn't see Rise of the Beasts, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Right, Yeah, correct, And I think I like the way
that you said that with the right tool kit, he
knows how to dazzle, because I think the problem with
Transformers was I think the first one was well calibrated,
and then they just got bigger and more dizzy ing,
and just when I think of those movies, I'm just

(01:04:43):
picturing nothing in my vision but like clinking metal parts
colliding into one another and not knowing what's going on
or carrying what's going on, And they just became so
overwhelming that I just I was like, I don't even
know what I'm rooting for here, I don't, you know, right,
So it was kind of cool when he stepped away

(01:05:05):
and then he made Ambulance, which we've talked about. It
didn't really hit I guess, but it was cool to
see him do his thing a little bit more, you know,
on the ground level again, like the earlier movies we
like of his, like the Rock and stuff. That's what
I want from him. Frankly, I wish he would tell more,

(01:05:27):
I don't know, like less fantastical stories and just tell
some great action, make some great action movies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I'm happy that Edgar Wright is making The Running Man,
but I would like to see Michael Bay make something
like that, you know what I mean. That's kind of
what I want to see him do. I can't say
that I'm looking forward to more of the thing that
I was getting exhausted from from him, which is the
later Transformers movies. But I don't know, what do you
think about this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Yeah, I'm look, I'm not a fan of anything he
did with that franchise after the first film. Yeah, so this,
I think there's probably a portion of the audience that's
just that's popping all kinds of confetti. Sure, sure, you know,
because what you realize is, well, that first movie came out,
you know, eighteen years ago. Wow, right, So there is

(01:06:16):
a whole demographic that's come of age with Michael Bay's
vision of Transformers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Sure, it's a classic to them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
It's it's like, you know, it's like Spielberg coming back
to Indy or something. You know. Sure, yeah, I am
not in that boat. I think the franchise was doing
a good job of moving away from from his influence,
and I think that was a good thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Yeah, Bumblebee, I thought Bumblebee was great.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Bumblebee was good. I Mean, I wasn't crazy about Rise
of the Beasts, but you know, I could follow the
action at least. Honestly, I thought Transformers won the animated
film from last year that was pointing in the direction
of where this franchise should be headed, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
But isn't that the way? Like it was really fun
and good and well done and it had a great
heart to it, and nobody saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Nobody watched it. So I think we have a situation.
My understanding is that Michael Bay went to Paramount Interesting
rather than them seeking him out. But I do think
this probably dovetails with their with their needs. But I'm like, look,
nobody watched his last movie, m right, which was was

(01:07:24):
that ten years ago? Already? No?

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
It might it was like twenty sixteen, Holy cow, because
Bumblebee was twenty eighteen. Okay, so it's probably twenty because
we had we had Age of Extinction. See why do
I Why do I know this?

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Brian? Well, you know what, that's why we're here, That's why.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Why do I need to know this? Twenty fourteen was
Age of Extinction and twenty I think twenty sixteen was
the last night. Okay, I think that's right, or twenty seventeen.
Maybe that was twenty seventeen because Bumblebee came out like
right away, right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Last night seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, okay, that's in fact, I know that's right, because yeah,
that was the same year as Fate of the Furious.
Oh okay, and they're both about like, oh, is the
leader of the good guy suddenly a bad guy? You know?
That was like the premise of both, and it was
fake in both, you know, right, although Optimus Prime was
more animated than Vin Diesel. Weirdly, Yeah, so supposedly he's

(01:08:29):
got some idea. If I were to guess, it will
be a loving tribute to our armed forces with some
animated robots stuck in edgewise.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Right, that's Alius.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I don't you know. I'm kind of like, dude, why
don't you just make just make that, make those you know, like, was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
It thirteen hours? Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Thirteen hours?

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, yeah, you know, just go go do that. I think,
you know, when you say Edgar Wright, like do something
like Edgar Wright is, I'm like, I don't think Michael
Bay is capable of doing what Edgar Wright does.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
I don't well no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't think
he is either. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying
a remake. Look, if I had to choose a remake
of The Running Man, I would go Edgar Wright every time.
But I'm saying that is at least a concept or
a type of film. If Michael Bay is going to
continue to make things, I'd prefer to see something like
that from him, you know, a guy on the run

(01:09:27):
and action set pieces, yeah, versus just his huge, over
the top, confusing visual effects robot smashy smashy movies. You
know what I'm saying. Yeah, No, absolutely, or heck like
Armageddon or something. You know, like even if those are
not you know, the characters are ridiculous and the emotions

(01:09:47):
are way over the time. Like, I want to see
him kind of do something like that again personally, not
just more of the same that was already tired.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yes, but I definitely agree with that. My point is,
I don't I don't know that this is as much
of a slam dunk as they necessarily think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You know, it is funny though, you would imagine it
could possibly be paramount that was coming back because they're
having a difficult time figuring out how to make transformers
hit the way that they want. Speaking yps, they own it.
It's it's waiting there if it's milked correctly to make
a lot of money for them, And he's the one
who was able to do it. So it makes sense

(01:10:25):
if they were like, hey, man, like help me Obi
wan Kenobi. But interesting, he feels like he's got more
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
That's that's I I wonder. I don't know that he
had that much to say with the would say four
of the last five movies.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
So I don't know what we're adding to that mix.
But that is, hey, watch the space because I have
a feeling if that movie does come out, Brian will
be uh, you know, just chomping at bits to talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
I'm having flashbacks now. I forgot like when a new
one would come out and then we had to do
an episode, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Like, yeah, what I remember most is sort of existential
angst Brian, which is my favorite action figure variant.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
That's gonna say, like if I can give it to myself,
it doesn't that guy doesn't come out a lot. No,
I'm pretty open minded. I try. I try to show
up for each thing. But I mean I remember the
one with the Eachselba the stand move or not the stand.
Oh yeah, dark Tower, Dark Tower, which, by the way,
I would love to see a great version of that,

(01:11:32):
But I remember knowing that that one wasn't gonna work,
or having a bad feeling about it. I remember feeling
real dread. I think I kept taking a picture of
myself as I was walking to the theater to see
it and sending it to you, and it's like me
upset leaving my place, me upset at a stoplight, me
upset entering the theater. I don't remember how I knew

(01:11:52):
that that I was anticipating it being bad, but that's
my memory of it. And then, yes, the Transformers ones
like they're just the same movie over and over and
over again, and how much more can we do this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Yeah? Yeah, Well, I remember saying in my review of
the second one, I was like, I aged out of
the demographic while watching this movie, right, I entered a
Transformers fan, and I left the theater an old, bitter,
bitter man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I want to see a new, young filmmaker's take. The
Transformers are cool, they're interesting. You can get great action
set pieces out of those things. I just want to
see someone else's take.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Well, I said this before. You know Travis Knight, who
did Bumblebee. One thing that I appreciated about his take
was he clearly grew up with Transformers, and he had
that level of familiarity which I could into it, you know,
just based on the film that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
We got, Yes, and it had a real big heart
to it is my memory too. And honestly he's Transformers
in a weird sort of way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Yeah. And Travis Knight, by the way, is directing the
Master's Universe movie, Okay, which is why I have at
least some some hope that that'll be something interesting, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Same, Yeah, that feels good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, but hey, like I said, we'll, we'll, we'll have
more to discuss if that story to Bob's here's something
I was intrigued by this.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
We have a new Spider Man movie coming out next year. Wow,
spider Man Brand New Day. Okay, that's next to next
July or something like that. July, like basically a year
from now, July three verst Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
That's gonna be a busy time for Tom Holland. You
got the Odyssey in a year from now too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Well, as it happens, it's also going to be a
busy month for Tom Holland's co star in the Odyssey,
John Brenthall. Oh, because he is joining He's joining Spider
Man Brand New Day, as his Marvel character The Punisher.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Wow, which began as a Netflix show.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
It it began as a Netflix show spinning off of
Netflix's Daredevil show.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
Right, which in that moment seemed like those characters would
probably never reach like movie status exactly, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Oh okay, and and this is this is sort of
full circle for the Punisher because he started out as
a Spider Man villain back in the seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
Okay, so that's entirely appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
But but John Burnham, I'm a John Burenthal fan. Yes,
it seems like a decent dude. That's a great actor.
I love that you saw the trailer for the Odyssey,
I'm assuming.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Yes, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
The trailer is just waves and John Burnhal being like,
tell me about Odysseus in the most John burnhaal the
way possible. And I'm like, I want to know about
a Disseus too, God damn.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
It, I know, I know. Well, they're still shooting, which
is kind of interesting. So this is just the footage
they have so far.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
That's that's and that's all you need if you ask me,
just give me, give me two and a half hours
of John Berenthal shouting at people to tell him about Odysseus. Yeah,
and I will leave that theater a happy man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
I love the idea of you've never seen the Netflix
Punisher show?

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
I don't haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
No, have you seen any of those Netflix and Marvel shows?

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I think I watched Daredevil. I saw Jennifer Jones, Jessica Jones,
Jessica Jones, there you go, and and maybe one other
that I don't remember. But no, I wasn't like steeped
in that Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Sure, well, it's a lot. I mean, each season is
like thirteen episodes and stuff. Who's got time for that shit?
But regardless, fairly R rated is my point. Yeah, right, right, right,
And so certainly the idea of tossing the Punisher in
with an extremely PG thirteen character like Spider Man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
That sounds like a fun energy, doesn't it. Those two together.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
I like the idea of them bantering back and forth,
kind of Deadpool and Wolverine energy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Totally totally right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
And that was my thought. I was like, I would
not be surprised even a little bit if Deadpool and
Wolverine was partly what led to this pairing here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Yeah. Yeah, it makes me think of a terminator tu
in a way. Also you know, you can't go around
just killing people. Yeah, look kind of energy. That's fun
and very different.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Very different. So what I've also heard is that Mark
Ruffalo is in it as the Hulk. Okay, so I
don't know what's going on in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
I know, yeah, you know, but I had leary. It
feels like it a little bit right, Yeah, But I
love where we left off with what is it? No
Way Home?

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
No Way Home?

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Right? Where the spell has been cast and nobody remembers
who Peter Parker is and it was man that was
really emotional to me, Like I remember, it was very sad,
you know, his friend's not recognizing him, and so then
he goes and gets his little apartment and he's just
gonna be friendly neighborhood spider Man.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, just grounded.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Yeah. So I'm curious where we go from here, where
that all goes, if he's going to try to reconnect
with his friends or whatever. And yeah, having him bounce
off the Punisher, that sounds cool and different.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Cool and different. Well, And I do kind of love
that Tom Holland and John Brenthal themselves there their MCU
destinies are intertwined because they were making a movie together
back in the day called Pilgrimage, and they were both
in the midst of their MCU auditions. Oh huh, so
they were like helping each other.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Oh that's great. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
This is according to John Burnhall. This is what he
said on Jimmy Kimmelive. We did Pilgrimage about seven or
eight years ago. That was where both Tom did his
audition for Spider Man and I did my audition for Punisher.
We actually made each other's audition tapes on that film.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
That's I love that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
And this is he says. I was like, there's probably
a lot of people that want to be Spider Man.
I mean, you're super talented at all, about the odds
are kind of against you, but yeah, let's make the tape.
He just had this belief and when you get to
know him and see how he shows up, there's a
reason why he's the movie star that he is. And
and this is he says. I gave him. I gave
him the note Tom, maybe you should run up that
wall and do a double backflip and then start the scene.

(01:18:16):
And he was like, yeah, you think I should do that?
That's not too much. And he says, I was like,
I don't think any of these other fools are able
to do that, And in fact, he did that. It's
not that I take responsibility for him, but you know,
like a little something dude, but you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Think any of these other fools doing that? That totally
sounds like John Burenthal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
What I love is that, right, there is a sneak
preview of what we'll probably get as Spider Man and
the Punisher. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
Oh yeah, that's a totally great point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Yeah, yeah, No, Burnenthal, he came back for Daredevil Born Again.
He's in a couple episodes of that. Okay, and now
they got him doing like a special. You know remember
that Werewolf by Night special that they did.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Yeah, they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Something like that. But it's The Punisher and he's like, right,
and he's writing it. Wow, okay, burnhos So he is
terrific in that role. I mean it is. It is
a fantastic marriage of actor and character. So I'm all
about seeing him continue.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
That sounds great.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Yeah, kind of kind of an interesting niche in the
in the MCU all to himself, you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Know, yeah, wait, sorry, and now I'm just thinking about timelines.
When is the new Avengers movie coming out.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Avengers is, well, it was supposed to be May, right, okay,
and then they pushed it to December.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Okay, so same year but later in the year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Yeah, So I think next year we got Spider Man
and Avengers and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I think, Yeah, those are big ones. I think that's
going to be a good year for them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I think it will be. And and by the way,
we got Fantastic four coming out next week or two
weeks from now, and so once again we get to
have the media ask with bated breadth whether the MCU
is over because it's we play roulette every couple of months.
It feels like, you know, right, so reset reload the

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deck for that. But that's next summer. Hey, there's a
new movie in theaters, Brian, Oh yeah, why don't we
talk about it on the other side of this?

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
And now we're pleased to renew our features.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
And we are back and you know what else is back? Brian?

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
What else is back?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Why? It is Universal's dare I say, most indestructible film
franchise in their coffers?

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
I think?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
So we are, of course talking about Jurassic World now
in rebirth form.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Rebirth form, Yeah, this is I assume what is the
start of a third trilogy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Presumably presumably, although it is blissfully self contained, which is
just like kind of nice.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I agree, I agree, I kind of like that. And
I was thinking about that, are we going to spend
more movie or yeah, more movie time with these characters
or is this one off? Or I wonder what the
plan is that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
Well, I'm very curious about that. Jurassic World Rebirth opened
surpassing expectations. It made one hundred and forty let's see
hundred and about one hundred and forty million over its
five days, right, And I think what was fascinating was

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if you watched the box office every day, the estimate
kept getting higher.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Right, Yeah, yeah, exceeded expectations, which.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
In this day and age, you know what, that's a
good thing. Reviews are a little bit more mixed from
what I've seen. I haven't dug too deep, but just
a glance at Rotten Tomatoes says that this is about
par for almost every Jurassic movie, not including the original one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yeah. I think it's around like fifty three percent critics
and audiences somewhere around seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Okay, okay, sounds about right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
That feels about right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Mm hmmm, uh, it's it's certainly a feather in the
cap for for Scarlett Johansson.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Yeah, who apparently is a longtime fan and had been
asking for years to be in a Jurassic Park movie.
I think she waited around long enough to get the
right role for her.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
I agree with that. Yeah, she she rather than being
a romantic interest, she became the action lead. Garrett Edwards also,
this is this is a this is a feather in
his camp. I think it's a pretty impressive opening. Yep,
speaking of Rogue one second only to Rogue one right,
m hm, So I I have seen this movie twice now, oh,

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because I have enough kids where we have to go
in shifts.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
I really basically.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Shift one shift too. Yeah, but yeah, I we you
and I we have not discussed this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
No, I literally have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Well, who wants to go for? You go first?

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
You go first?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I first.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Okay, I'm gonna go first because I think people probably
already know what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Well, I think people already know what I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
Actually I wasn't sure because of something you said earlier.
I would call this a mixed bag for me. I think, look,
Jurassic Park one is one of my favorite movies of
all time. It's one of those movies that is like,
you know, it's imprinted on me. I saw it when

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I was thirteen, made an enormous impression. It's the movie
I've seen the most in theaters. In its first run,
I saw it eight times with my brother, and I've
seen it on re releases. They're playing it at the Bowl,
Hollywood Bowl. In a couple of weeks. I planned to go,
you know, and see it with a live orchestra. I

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think it's a masterpiece of adventure filmmaking. It's majestic and
filled with wonder and spectacle and brilliant, inventive, masterclass thrills,
and it has wonderfully defined characters who are interesting and
have points of view and shine individually and together. I

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realized that's kind of an impossible bar to measure any
movie against, let alone any sequel in a series. I mean,
Spielberg's own sequel in the Jurassic Park series didn't live
up to the high bar of the first one. So
with all that in mind, though, I do have a
certain level of expectation with this series and so with Rebirth,

(01:24:38):
you know, I yeah, it felt a bit like a
mixed bag for me. I mean, I feel like the
characters are pretty one dimensional. It's kind of interesting. It
feels like two movies ideas that they had that they
couldn't decide between, and they smushed it into one movie,
you know, with like one set of characters and another

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set of characters that just sort of awkwardly. The movie
toggles between them and sometimes puts them together, sometimes split
them apart. Mostly I just didn't really connect with the
characters as much as I wish I had. And at
the same time, Dinosaur action, you know what I mean,
Like it's undeniable. So I did find myself wishing that

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a lot of it was stronger than it was, and
at the same time I did enjoy, you know. I
found there was one moment I noticed I hadn't even
realized I was doing this, but I was leaning forward
in my seat smiling, and I realized it. I suddenly
noticed it about myself, and I'm like, well, I mean
there you go, you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Know what I mean like, and it was just so
without spoiling anything, I found myself doing that. In the
scene where Jonathan Bailey's character first encounters a real dinosaur.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Thoughts about this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Okay, you might not like them, Okay, I I really
liked that scene personally.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
I wanted to and I couldn't help. My cynical brain
took over a little bit because I thought the beginning
of this movie, the first scene is dinosaurs are so commonplace,
They're boring. Yeah, and literally in the streets of New
York there's a dying dinosaur, you know, holding up traffic,

(01:26:27):
and someone's like, oh damn it, like I'm gonna be
late for work. So I was confused about people's feelings
about the majesty of dinosaurs. I was like, that's but
not his character.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
I mean, we're pretty clear.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
But he's in New York, right, I mean, so he
hasn't encountered one, like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Just I took it to mean that this is this
is them as they're supposed to be in They're in
their glory, in their territory, like living, surviving. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
See. Now that is a good point, because I was
a selling point to that character about like why should
I go on this dangerous mission? It's well, don't you
want to see these things you're passionate about? In their turf.
But you know, it's funny because that was the moment
in the movie. They keep withholding the theme, the John
Williams theme from you, and so then they've got this
valley and then there's all the dinosaurs and then they

(01:27:15):
just you know, blast the dress park theme. And I
couldn't help but think, to me, it felt like an afterthought,
like they realized that they'd made a whole cut of
this movie and forgotten about it, and we're like yeah, yeah,
and just like that's how it was, and they're like
here and then like the Majesty of dinosaurs. N it

(01:27:36):
felt so shoehorned to me that moment. I'm, oh, Brian,
I know, but I couldn't. That's my feeling, and I
would never take that away from you. I wish I
had felt the way that that you had felt in
that moment, but I I don't know. I and like
the characters too, Like I just literally like Scarlett Johansson
plays action lady yeah, and like you know, Mahashala Ali

(01:27:59):
is like mercenary guy. Yeah, and you know, and it's
like and the Professor and like that's it. Like they
don't have arcs. They don't like they're just kind of
doing their thing. And I was like, you know, I
I just expect more when you have the Jurassic Park name,
I would like something a little bit more. Oh so

(01:28:21):
this is one more thing to submit what I'm trying
to say this movie. We've got the King Kong movies,
we got the Godzilla movies, We've got all the Kaiju movies.
I go to Jurassic Park because I expect a little
bit more. Vera similitude.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Okay that I agree with? Right? Like that, we'll we'll
talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Yeah, Like that's what the Jurassic brand is to me.
I like that vera similitude with dinosaurs roaming through it,
you know, and and how to real people in real
cars and real blue sky above them and you know,
grasp beneath them. How do they react to that? You know?
I go, what are the Godzillas and the King Kong's

(01:29:01):
for the janky looking visual effects? And down is up,
up is down, it doesn't matter kind of feeling. And
this one starts getting more into like mutants, right and
monsters and take away the Jurassic Park theme from that
one moment that for me felt shoehorned. And is this
a Godzilla movie. Is this a Jurassic Park movie? Is

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this a you know what I mean? Like it started
to you know, like it didn't feel That's why I
do all my thoughts are coming out of in confusing fashion.
But when I'm rewatching Jurassic World, which like I said,
in my memory, I feel like I don't love as much.
But when I rewatch it, I kind of do like
it is. I think they do a great job of

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capturing the very similitude, the wonder, you know, the majesty
of the dinosaurs, and the really fantastical threat of being
like a human being on planet Earth with a dinosaur.
You and I feel like this one starts to veer
into a little bit more lucy goosey territory away from
Jurassic Park, and it just becomes like Jurassic adjacent and

(01:30:10):
like a pretty good monster film.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Yeah, so a couple a couple of points.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
Yeah, please, that was a lot of talking. I want
to hear everything you have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
So, first of all, I don't know if you remember.
A couple of weeks ago, we were when we were
talking about Congo, I was talking, we were we were
going off on a tangent about Jurassic Park, and I said,
you know, Jurassic Park is really just a reskin of Westworld. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Well Jurassic World Rebirth is a reskin of Congo. Yeah,

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because that's what you realize is, oh, this is That's
what I like. Halfway through, I was like, oh, this
is Congo.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Holy cow. Yeah you're so. I didn't think that, but
you're talking about it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Scarjo is Laura Lenny mahersla Is Ernie Hudson, Jonathan Bailey
is Dylan Walsh, Rupert friend, He's he's Tim Curry.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Wow, that has to be intentional.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
They go off into the wilderness, they encounter some mutants
to get this thing for an evil corporation, and then
they make a decision about that thing that's at odds
with the evil corporation. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
I'm just saying, David Kapp, we're onto you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I don't know if that would have been as clear
to me had I not just rewatched Congo.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Well I did, and it wasn't clear to me. But
you know how I felt about Congo so fascinating that
I almost want to rewatch it now with then.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Well, and that's what kind of made me appreciate the movie.
I was like, oh, this is like Gareth Edwards doing Congo,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Yeah, And you know, I will say I'm a little
jealous that you've seen it twice because I can't help
but go in with the like, look, I know it's
not fair, but like I said, it's Jurassic it is
a Jurassic Park film, So I am going in with
a little bit of a bar in mind. And I
know it'll never touch the first one, nothing will, But

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I just I just felt like a little bit of
the wonder was missing. I feel like a little bit
of the majesty was missing. I feel like the characters
were just a little too bland. I wish for a
little bit more out of them, and so I couldn't
help but feel those things and be a little let
down by them, and that that sticks with me as
I'm watching. But like I said at the same time,

(01:32:29):
that that the first attempt, you know, to fire the
dart at the Moses saar. Yeah, amazing. Yeah, that's a
really thrilling sequence. All well, all the action is pretty good,
like the raft. I mean, I'm talking about things in
the trailer because we're having spoilers. Yeah, but the you know,
the family on the raft that was really like tense

(01:32:49):
and exciting, so that that stuff does play. So that's
I guess if we're trying to tell people whether or
not to go see the movie, it's like, I have
to be honest about the things I felt let down about.
But like, so it depends on what you want. Like
if you're fine with seeing something that's just okay, but
like you want to see some dino action, well this
is going to provide.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
That, Okay. So just just to put a pin in
that point, we now have separate from the first movie,
we have twenty eight years of Jurassic sequels, yeah, as
a data set, and the one unquestionable point that emerges

(01:33:32):
is we will never ever match that first movie. Yes,
it is a unicorn. Yeah, and in a way, at
least for me, I'm not speaking for you, that is
remarkably freeing for me. Yeah, yeah, because I'm like, it's
just I'm never gonna get that, And if I want
that experience, I can pop on that movie and I'll
feel exactly the same way. When Alan Grant says they're

(01:33:52):
moving and herds, they still move, and they do move
and herds. It gets me Misty every single time. Everything else,
ye know what, give me three great dinosaur action sequences
and one scene where we go, ooh ah, give me
those check those box for me. I'm I'm I'm probably
gonna be on board.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
See And I love that. And then in this movie
does provide that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Not only does it provide that, I think, in terms
of dinosaur action scenes, probably the best since Steven Spielberg.

Speaker 3 (01:34:24):
I don't remember the others well enough there you go
to confidently remark on that, but I will say that
I did really like the set pieces a lot. I
think they set up really cool situations and they utilize
them well. Like I said, like, you know, a kid
in a raft and a t rex, yeah, you know,
coming after you, and then eventually the water gets deeper

(01:34:45):
so then it can't run as fast, but then it
can swim, you know, Like I was like, Oh, that's
That's what I'm here for. You know that that's I
just wish that they could you know, elevate the uh,
you know, the in between stuff a little bit more,
but but that that stuff is cool. I can't die.
And the sorry not a spoiler, but the you know

(01:35:06):
the thing at the end too. I won't really get
into the details of it, but the convenience store stuff
and having those dinosaurs stalking around, I mean it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that the characters
are a problem, right, because ultimately, you watch a movie
like this and you're like, do I want to revisit
these characters? I'm I already love revisiting the world. Yes, right,
So we're gonna come back in a couple of years.
I suspect we will based on this one did and
see what else is going on in the Jurassic universe.

(01:35:37):
I'm all about that. Do I care about seeing you know,
Henry Loomis again, I mean not particularly, but we could have.
I mean, I agree, I think that's a problem, you know. Yeah,
just to be clear, if they do bring him back,
I'm fine with that too.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
But the thought I had is I think this is
this is an actor proof franchise, and that's great for Universal, right, right,
because they can just swap out the leads every couple
of years and people still show up. But you know,
the movie alludes to the Henry Loomis being a student

(01:36:16):
of Alan Grant, right, if I'm not mistaken, that's the
one like outright like continuity thread that this movie gives us.
And I'm like, what if this was Alessandro Noavola's character
from from JP three. Remind me Billy, right, he's the
guy who who went on that whole journey and you

(01:36:38):
know he stole it the raptor eggs, Oh yes, yes, yes,
and then you know he's he's alive at the end,
and I'm like, that's something like you can give him
the same business, but there's at least, you know, kind
of an audience connection there, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
I'm not saying we needed that, but I'm saying I
think I think continuity is useful, So why not lean
into it when you can? Yeah, rather than oh, we're
shaking the exer sketch. Everybody's brand new, you know. I
think I think Scarjoe is perfectly fine in the movie.
The character serves her function, yeah, you know, but I

(01:37:18):
don't know that her emotional journey is particularly I don't
really get her emotional journey, to be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
I don't either. I mean, she makes up her mind
about something at the end that feels like it could
have had some impact.

Speaker 2 (01:37:31):
No, it feels very like this is where the plot
needs her to go.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
Yeah, so why not set her up a little differently
in the beginning to make that decision go oh that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Yes, yes, I agree with that, so like that. That's
my That's if I were to look at my issue
with the movie, it's that I didn't dislike the characters.
I just didn't feel particularly in best in them. But
I really liked the all the dinosaur action. I thought

(01:38:06):
they there was a degree of very similitude that I
really appreciated, having just watched Jurassic World Dominion the day before,
which is just green screen city.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Oh is it really?

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Yeah, you know, and it's very distracting because I think
I think Edwards does a much better job of really
making it feel like this we're seeing dinosaurs in the world.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
That's his thing, right, I mean, like incorporating visual effects
into very real, earthy sorts of landscapes and making you
right he is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
The master of scale.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Also, yeah, yeah, there are.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
Some sequences in here that I was just I loved
how you really get a sense of how big the
monsters are compared to the people, and that's something we
really haven't gotten a ton of in this franchise, you know,
other than in the first film and to lesser extent,
the second film. You know, so in terms of directing,
I would say this is the best directed since the

(01:39:01):
second one, and I would I would. I don't care
about the characters coming back necessarily, yeah, but I want
Garrett Edwards to come back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree, Yeah, I agree with that.
You know, it's it's character wise. They came close with
the mirschel h Lee's character. I liked him, Yeah, I mean,
they give him, we can get into it, but they
give him like a detail at the beginning that feels
so like okay, like so I kind of got that

(01:39:29):
that's his thing. Everybody got that right and then and
then later of course it comes into play and dictates
his decisions and I've you see it coming a mile away,
but I'll be damned if it didn't like touch me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
I agree with that. I think what I'm what I'm
acutely aware of, especially after the opening weekend, is the
Jurassic franchise just needs to give what's on the tin,
which is dinosaurs chasing people and eating them, and people
will show up. It's it's remarkable because both times I

(01:40:06):
watched it, the joint was packed. Yeah, and it's full
of families.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
That's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
And I'm like, this is this is it's just time tested,
you know, it's the it's it's the most like safe
kind of scare.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
Yeah, that you can take kids too, and they'll scream
a little bit and then they'll laugh. And I'm like,
you said this about The Falling Kingdom. It's it's a
theme park, right, And I'm like, that's what people go
to these movies where they just want a theme park.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
Right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
And and so judging this on the theme park curve,
you say, once the roller coaster stops, you say, man,
I would say for me personally, it gave me that right, right.
And you know, ultimately I do I do kind of
grade it on a curve, and that is unfair. But
I'm grading it on a curve with all the ones
that are not the first one.

Speaker 3 (01:40:56):
You know what though, But I don't think that's the
wrong way to do it, you know. I mean, and
maybe that's what I have to do. I have to
watch this the first time and be a little disappointed
at what it isn't and then you know, probably watch
it a second time with the curve, which and then
go like, oh well, you know, but that that raft
scene is really fun. And but you know, I will

(01:41:20):
say I I do stand by. I don't love the
veering into monster straight up monster territory kind of thing,
because it feels like these movies, I mean, beginning with
Jurassic World, it's like they're trying to get ahead of
what they think the audience is going to feel by
being like, well, no one cares about dinosaurs anymore. Dinosaurs
aren't scary. We know that, So that's why we are

(01:41:42):
going to push it, you know, in World and also
speaking meta, you know, as a movie, we're going to
give you bigger and more teeth. And I'm like, no, dude,
I like dinosaurs, right. And my favorite sequences in this
one I think were the like I said, a t
rex in the raft because it's the t rex. Yeah,

(01:42:03):
I know, I recognize that, and I don't want that
thing chasing me. And then the cliff side thing with
the the I don't know if they're terodactyls whatever they are,
but like the terosaurs, yeah, yeah, and those were really
they look like dinosaurs to me, and they're really scary
and I can picture myself on the cliff side and
what would I do if those things were trying to
peck at me. Yeah, but then when you get into

(01:42:24):
like this big mutant looking you know, clover Field meets
a Xeno.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
More, I was gonna say it looks like clo Field
Monster yep.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Yeah, or like the Rand Corps. I think I read
somewhere that Gareth Edwards said the Rand Corps was an influence.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
On Rank Corps slash Zeromorph slash Cloverfield and you you
got this.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Yeah, yeah, But then I'm like, well, that's to me,
that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
I agree with your hundred percent. I agree. I I
And actually, why don't why don't we do spoilers?

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
Spoiler so we should say, I mean, the real villain
of this movie, what you realize is it's a Snickers rapper.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
What did you think about that? Did that feel a
little silly?

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
Well, it did feel silly, but I mean you just
kind of roll with it. My thought was it seems
like not not a great design of something that inconsequential
can just f things up so royally on such a
mass scale.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
Yeah, I mean, there are a few things in here,
speaking of like hand wavy, like it doesn't make sense
to me how a rapper could go inside an automatic
door and blow it up. Yeah, you know, that's like
a little bit. And then there was like the moment
in the convenience store thing where they see the waters
going toward that great. Yeah, I was like, wow, I
don't feel like they're going to fit through that. How
are they going to do that? And then it just

(01:43:45):
basically waves its hands and like the cuts away and like,
now that's great, got it? You know, like it does
that like a handful of times, which I thought was
kind of funny.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Yeah, But so well, chronologically, the prologue of the film
is set in twenty ten, so five years before Jurassic World.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
I don't even know if I got that all.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Right, yeah, because it says seventeen years ago. The movie
itself is set in twenty twenty seven, and so that
sort of puts in place some of the stuff that's
going on in Jurassic World, where they, you know, the
Indominus Rex is the final result of several years of
them trying to experiment and create these mutations. So it's

(01:44:28):
at least it fits chronologically with where that happens in
the story, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like, it's
not like, oh, we screwed up so royally with the
Indominus and then they kept going after that, right, it's
before that. But I know I agree with you. That
was my thought watching the climax, certainly a second time,

(01:44:48):
where I'm like, that's not a real dinas. It's the
distortess rex is what it's called.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
I saw it was called the d Rex. I didn't
he that's what a.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Distortis, and it's just this horrific looking, you know, chlorophyll
of a thing. And that was my thought exactly. I'm like,
it's not a dinosaur though, it's just like a movie monster.
And I think in our Jurassic World commentary I made
mention of the fact that they had been, you know,
between Movie three and Jurassic World, they had been all
these ideas, and one of them was these human dinosaur

(01:45:19):
hybrid type things. And I think I said, look, I
think we're going to end up there at some point
the longer these movies go. And I feel that even
more strongly now having watched this movie, which I think
is unfortunate. I think that, and I've said this before,
what I like about the Jurassic films is being able

(01:45:40):
to jump back in every couple of years and just
kind of see where's the world now? And I can't
say I was crazy about this movie sort of wiping
away the last movie, which ends with essentially dinosaurs are
just all over the world, and then this one starts like, yeah,
but they're mostly dead now, right, Well, well what are

(01:46:02):
we doing? You know, Oh, we don't have Island Newblar anymore,
but we you know now it's they're all on this
island now. I'm like, we're just doing the same thing then,
you know, right right, you know, but you roll with it,
I guess because it's just too It's it's kind of
maybe it's like a universe breaking problem if dinosaurs are everywhere, maybe,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
But going back to what I was saying before, I
think that the the the staging of the action sequences
and everything. I mean, it was just it was just
much more visceral and engrossing than we've gotten in some
of the certainly the last one, Like I think, objectively,
the Dress World Domini is probably the weakest out of

(01:46:44):
any of them, you know, And I get I give
that movie a little bit of a pass because it
gives me those original characters again, but the movie itself
is like not not not awesome. You know. Okay, I
think this is better because it's at least giving us
something closer to what we sort of expect from these movies.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
I will say, I really do love the setup, you know,
where it's just like, okay, well we could get something
that would help, you know, the medical world if we
can get extract these things from these dinosaurs. So that's
illegal to get near them, so we're gonna have to
sneak in there, and we'll get like a really tough

(01:47:22):
mercenary types and a scientist and like, you know, that's
your good ragtag gang then step into this dangerous terrain
and try to extract this stuff for the good humanity.
That's a really new interesting thing to happen in the
Jurassic Park world.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Yeah, and it's a pretty decent progression from where things
were last time, right, because in universe we're dealing with
the fact that in Gen is no longer a present
tense company, right, and so you've got all these other
companies who are trying to, you know, find a way
of monetizing the work that they did, and that all
tracks Rupert Friend, who plays the the corporate guy. He

(01:48:03):
is in the parlance of Brian Hall Johnny Mustache twirler.
He really is pretty much from the jump. Yeah, right,
And that's see, that's the thing. You kind of realize,
that's that's what these movies do. They give us that
one character who you're like, man, I can't wait for
him to get his upens.

Speaker 3 (01:48:21):
Yeah. Did you feel that way about the boyfriend?

Speaker 2 (01:48:25):
Yes, initially, Yeah, it's same initially, but I'll admit I
got invested in him as we progressed.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
He was interesting. He well, he started off like over
the top obnoxious, right, like in a way that it
was hard for me to even believe someone his age
would behave in front of like a girlfriend's father or whatever.
Definitely that yeah, yeah, but and I was thinking, I
can't wait to watch him get eaten. And then when

(01:48:54):
he dived off the boat without hesitation after the girlfriend,
I was like, oh, right, exactly, And then I was like,
well it was worth making me hate him to make
me check myself in that moment. Well, what you realize
is that they're putting you in the exact same position
as the dad exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And let me just say I loved the
dad in this I thought he was a really good character.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Mean too. I wanted to bring this up, this family,
because this is literally what I was trying to say earlier.
It was like, this is two like idea movie ideas,
you know, where you got a family who's trying to
just do a boat trip across the Atlantic or whatever
it is, and then they accidentally veer into dinosaur infested
waters and get on this island and have to deal

(01:49:38):
with it, and they have their own dynamics going on.
And the other movie is, yeah, these mercenaries trying to
extract dino blood, right, Yeah, and they bump into one another.
But yeah, I really did enjoy this family. I thought
they were and maybe that speaks to what I'm saying
that I like about these movies is like real people

(01:50:01):
encountering you know, they don't have machine guns, they don't
They just have their wits and they have to discover
things and figure out how they're going to get out
of situations where they're behind a rock but a t
Rex is on the other side of that rock, and yeah,
I enjoyed.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Well, this might be an appropriate time to go back
to the letter we got from Alex who who was
mentioning something vaguely spoilery, and I think it's applicable to
what we're talking about. He says. I loved how Lived
in the Island felt. There's a few moments where you
see in the background a dinosaur approaching to attack one
of the characters. And also with how Isabella the little

(01:50:35):
girl adopts a baby triceratops. Having those dinosaurs appear on
screen in a way that wasn't so stagy made it
feel really authentic, and I totally agree with that. I
think that there was there was a different level of
authenticity here as compared to the last one that I appreciated. Yep,

(01:50:57):
I think that the the third act was would have
been just as effective if it wasn't like mutant dinosaurs,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
I agree. I wish they've just believe in themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Because on the boat they're being attacked by spinosaurs and
it was freaking terrifying.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
It was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And then I don't know,
I guess those were I don't know my dinosaurs, but
the whole thing in the convenience store with whatever those
things are, I don't know if those are hybrids or
those were mutate mutat okay, but they seemed a little
more Dino, like a sure right, and so that was
really fun. I mean, I'm gonna be honest, there was

(01:51:40):
a little part of me when they were in the
aisles and I was like, oh, this reminds me of
the Kitchen sequence. You know, same sort of thing with
these people hiding behind aisles while underneath you can see
the foot of whatever creature stalking and it doesn't even
reach half the height of the Kitchen sequence, you know
what I mean, Like, there's no.

Speaker 2 (01:52:01):
But you know why though, because because the Kitchen sequence
is the Kitchen sequence, and you saw that when you
were at thirteen, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
Like, well, I understand what you're saying, but I just
feel like there's more moves happening in the original. You know,
you have the kids rounding corners seconds before the velociraptor
pops its head through a shelf and the spoon falling down,
alerting the raptors to where the kids are, and Le's
using a reflection as a fake out, and the soap
that spills on the floor, and Tim and the raptor

(01:52:31):
are sliding around and making us clench, worrying that dim
will be able to get away. You know, there's so
much going on in that scene, the original scene that
I feel like entirely holds up tension wise to this day.
So I think maybe it was a little bit of
a mistake to evoke that scene here when it doesn't

(01:52:52):
end up either matching it or at least coming up
with some new clever maneuvers in this similar location.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Well, this was this was littered with Spielberg images. I mean,
the thing with trying to shoot the Moses sore with
the thing. I mean that's clearly you know Edward's doing
a Jaws riff.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Yeah, which is very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
I like that a lot effectively done. I did. I
will say, you know, this movie I would have elevated
a whole letter grade if remember when they're like they're like, uh,
they're they're locked in, like the door thing is locked
and they're trying to get out, and the little girl
squeaks through and she she has the if she looked
at it and she went, I can do this. It's
a Unix. Yeah, that's what we needed.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
That's that's what I was missing.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
That's what was missing. I think that the the climactic
thing with with the the Distortis rex the scene. Here's
the thing when when the loomis character when he fires
the flare and then like the helicopter turns around and

(01:53:55):
in the fog you see the the distortis grabs it.
It's really well staged. It was very effective.

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
Oh totally.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
I mean Edwards is a great director, right, That's what
I'm saying, Like, like, I think he's such a good
match for this franchise. I'd like to see it get
back to no pun intended the DNA of what it
was originally, and I think I think the presence of
mutant dinosaurs. I don't know how you unring that bell. Yeah,
I just think we're in it now. And that's what's

(01:54:23):
somewhat disappointing to me because I don't think you need that,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
And going back to what we were saying before, there's
that thread throughout where where Jonathan Bailey is telling Scarlet
Jansen like, oh, you know, why give it to the corporation,
Like why don't we you know, give it to the
world whatever. Once he puts that out there, I was like, well,
that's how it's gonna end, Like you know what I mean,

(01:54:52):
there's no version where she's like, no, we're actually doing
to the company, right, yeah, obviously, And and once you
see Johnny mustache twirler like almost let the girl die, Yeah,
you're like, welle, hundred percent they're not gonna you know,
like yeah, they they have so telegraphed the ending, there's
no suspense.

Speaker 3 (01:55:11):
See, and more of this is coming to me now.
So when I think of like the original one, and
I think of like when Timmy with the fence, you know,
and you think he's gonna die, and then there's that
really sweet moment where Grant pats his head and he's like,
you know, a little tim you know, a piece of toast,
you know, just like those little human moments. And even
in Jurassic World when we revisited that, you know, the

(01:55:32):
brother's dynamic where the older brother's so aloof and kind
of a jerk, and the little brother's like in tears,
like over his parents' divorce and the way that they
come together and the little brother wants to hold his
bigger brother's hand at the end. Like, I would like
to know how our characters are feeling about things from
moment to moment instead of just bouncing from moment to moment.

(01:55:52):
I guess I kind of expect that out of this series.
I don't expect it out of Godzilla's I don't expect it,
but I do expect that here and so going to
your Scarlet Johansson thing, I would have liked if maybe
she was a little more. I mean, we get the
hint that she needs the money, but maybe she's the
type of person who would never give up the money

(01:56:13):
that she's going to be given. But then at the
end it's a tough decision, but she's after everything she's
been through, she's learned to do the right thing and
give the medicine to the world or like you know
what I mean, like just ring that stuff out a
little bit more and it might have elevated it like
an entire letter grade in No.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
But the but the problem is inherently like they don't
make it a choice. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
That's it. Like the guy, the person's going to pay
them dead, so there's no there's no choice.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
Well that too, but he's also a piece of shit.
Yeah right, well sure, like if think about it, if
he makes the case that has its appeal beyond just hey,
you know, ten and six zeros after it, which by
the way, I'm going to say, ten million not that much, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
I was sitting there like, am I counting wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Yeah, that's what I was doing. I was like, really yeah,
I was like ten ten million. I was like this million.
I was like, dude, I was like, ten million is
not enough for what she does in.

Speaker 3 (01:57:10):
This movie, I thought. And then I was like like,
can't be a hundred. That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
But I was like ten billion.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
You know, dude, I'm so glad I'm not alone in that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
So but I'm but I'm because if you remember, early
in the film, ruper friend tells her like, oh, you
know your your mother might have saved her life or whatever,
and she's like, look, if you get personal, I'm leaving right,
And I'm like, well why not why not have him
make a legitimate humanitarian argument that no this come like,

(01:57:42):
do you get what I'm saying? Like I do? Yeah? Yeah,
Because the problem is once Loomis is like, hey, why
don't we give it to the world, that's like a
third of the way in, and you're like, well that's
how it has to end.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
Yeah, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
The movie is hinging on a decision that we already
know the answer to. Yes, and and that's the problem,
because what makes the first film work is that it's
Alan Grant's emotional journey that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:12):
Yes, I'm doing the like praise hands like yeah you know, yeah,
you know uh.

Speaker 2 (01:58:18):
And this this doesn't this doesn't give us characters who
are who are comparable in that way. And I think
the opportunity was there with the Loomis character, out of
all of the new ones. I I I liked him
being a paleontologist and stuff, because that's those have been
our heroes before. You know. I can't really get on

(01:58:39):
board with a Mrk, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
But I would love to see a murk who likes
just in it for the money, but then decides to
do the right thing because of something personal or something
she learned along the.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Way, you know. I mean, I think that they are
decent people. We see that because they get the they
get the s O s and they're like, we're going
to go get them.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
I love that. I loved that it wasn't even a question.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Exactly, and you know it's funny when that happened. This
is true. I was like, I know, Brian loves that.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
Did you really I did?

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
This is true?

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
I love that she was so unwaighed, like it wasn't
a question. She's like, no, that's we're going that direction.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Yeah. I like, I knew that when we talked about
this movie, that would be one area where you and
I would be like, wasn't that great?

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
You know, that is so funny. Yeah, that was good stuff.
And then and then along those lines too, to give
credit for credits too, I mean the you know, the
kincaid Ali's character. You know, so now we're spoilers. He
lost a child, yeah, and it's kind of you know,
we don't get the details, but it's alluded to. And
so then he becomes very protective of the little girl

(01:59:43):
in that family, and he's willing to sacrifice himself at
the end. Loved it that that stuff, and even you
know him, I was like a little surprised that they
seemingly killed him. For a minute, it just didn't feel
like that movie. But I was okay with it. But
then when he I came back, I could see someone
not being on board with that, but I was like, no,

(02:00:03):
I prefer this.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (02:00:06):
I wanted to be okay, but that I love that.
I love that, and anymore of that would have been great.
For me, with the other characters too, getting their own
business where they like we keep saying their marks or
learning something.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
See. I think ultimately where the movie ends. Oh, by
the way, at the ending, we got the thing with
the dolphins. That's just like the birds. I mean I
kind of like that. It's like it's echoing the birds
at the end of the first movie.

Speaker 3 (02:00:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
I think for me it's like, well, it's inevitable, there's
gonna be another one. Do I care about another trilogy
with these characters, not particularly, but if we were to
intertwine with pre existing characters and into you configuration, I
might be interested in that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
I do think that this story is self contained enough
that you don't need any of them to come back. No,
And I might be fine with that too.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
But you know again, I mean going back to what
we keep saying, like, I bet they could have if
they had juiced them up just enough, we could be like, oh,
I want to see what they're that person's up to now.
But I don't think they're interesting enough for me to wonder, right,
which is kind of a bummer.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
I think this was the problem with the prior trilogy, right. Look,
the the Owen character of the Claire character. They were there,
and so we followed along because we were told to.
But but I know, I know, me personally, watching Jurassic World,
I was like, what's Ian Malcolm up to? You know,

(02:01:43):
h totally I didn't watch this being like, but what's
Owen Grady doing? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
So you know that's that's me.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I mean that's that's kind of it.
Like I I can't help but feel those things and
wish that some of the things were stronger, and I
wish I could let those things go and just enjoy
what's in front of me. But I just I can't
help but think about those things and wish there was
a little bit more character wise basically. But you're you're

(02:02:11):
also right, like, if you're coming for New Dino Action,
there's some good Dino action here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
You know, we got we got hot Dino on Dino Action.
Yeah some Yeah, there's plenty of that, yeah, you know.
And bottom line, I think I think the fact that
this franchise is very very much bulletproof at this moment
is reassuring in a way because, at least to me,
it says, well, they can try again in a couple

(02:02:39):
of years and let's see how that goes, you know, say,
I'll be there, right and and again I'm I'm sanguine
about the fact that that that first film is the
Shining City on the Hill. I don't I don't, I
don't ever expect to get back there with any anything
that comes after it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Same. I just hope they'll always be just slightly better
than any of the King Kong Godzilla. I expect them
to be more than that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:09):
Well, you know, if if they could do something on
par with Godzilla minus one, I sure wouldn't complain, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:17):
Oh yeah, actually I thought of that movie.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Yeah, I mean that that that was very Spielberg. Ye right,
I mean that you can tell that that did oh
a debt to to Jurassic.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
As great great characters, great human story.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Yeah yeah, so give it, give us more of that.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
So, so, uh, I think my sense is I liked
it slightly more than Brian.

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
I'd say mixed for me, and it seems like, yeah,
you probably mixed leaning positive my view as they.

Speaker 2 (02:03:50):
Got on base. I wasn't expecting a home run. Yeah,
but I don't mind, uh, where where it is and
where it left us, and and and I'll look forward
to discussing the next one a couple of years from now.
Me too.

Speaker 3 (02:04:03):
I can't wait already.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
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There we go, and uh, with that on behalf of
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