Ep. 322: Superman

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome friends.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Its podcast podcasting time Jackie again by Yeah they're talking
to mom.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Now, Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three twenty two,
brought to you by Mister Boy Productions. I'm Zaki his son.
I'm here with Brian Hame.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey. How's it going, Zachi?

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey? Man, what's happening.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
What's happening.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I was trying to avoid slipping into that cadence, but
it is hard.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Hey, Peter, what's happening.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Man?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, I'm I'm I'm extremely chilled out right now.
I'm feeling good. And I know that this is the
part of the year or that I get to be
the most chilled out. So I'm just I'm just trying
to savor it. You know. We're in the thick of summer,
and and I think we said this in our last
episode that like, for me, as the weeks take by,

(01:01):
I'm like, oh, fall semester is about to start, It's
getting closer.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah, And I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I love doing what I do, but I also like
having a little bit of a breather, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh absolutely, I mean I actually I didn't even realize
that I was thinking about this, but yesterday when you
had mentioned like, oh, wow, summer is chugging by, I
remember trying to make you feel better about it by saying, yeah,
I mean it's July, but we're still in single digits.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Not anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, And then yesterday I think it was the fifteenth,
and I was like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
But that's okay. We got lots of stuff to watch. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
And actually, speaking of summer and things to watch, we
wanted to share with everyone. I'll look ahead at our
schedule for the next couple of weeks between the two
of us. We have some travel and some family visiting
from out of town, but we wanted to make sure
that there are things continuing to drop each week for
you guys. So in order to do that, we're going

(02:00):
to be dropping two commentaries in the next two weeks,
both related to upcoming releases. First, we'll be covering Fantastic four,
the one from two thousand and five from twentieth Century Fox,
and the following week we'll have a commentary for the
original Naked Gun, which we haven't recorded that yet, but
I'm already buzzing in my seat just thinking about doing

(02:22):
that with you. Then the first week of August will
be dropping a doubled up episode covering the new Fantastic
Four movie from Marvel and the Naked Gun sequel, which
is coming out soon. So that's what you can expect
in your feeds or however you listen over the next
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I like it. Yeah, I am intrigued by your proposal,
and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Yeah,
but before we get to that, have you seen anything else? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, well I had mentioned I think last regular episode
that I had started up the last the last season
of squid Game. I really enjoy it. I feel like
digging a little bit online. I saw some people's enthusiasm
waning a little bit with the series, but and I

(03:19):
kind of finished it out of obligation because there was
only six episode left. I wasn't feeling as much anticipation
for it because I was like, well, I know what
it is. I know I've enjoyed it, but is it
going to be any different from what I've seen? But
I'll do it anyway.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I think squid Game strength is its characters. I mean,
obviously there's the crazy like it's almost like Saw, but
with bright colors, you know what I mean, like children's
games like jump Rope becomes a deadly game and season three.
But what really keeps you going is I really care
about a lot of these people and the things they're

(03:57):
going through and the reasons that they're there. And there's
people I really hate, there's people that are just such jerks,
but there's such well drawn jerks that they're interesting. And yeah,
I'm really glad that I wrapped it up. It was
interesting to see how they brought it to a conclusion,
and I referenced the ending on accident. I didn't realize

(04:17):
it was the ending because I was seeing it online.
But one of the final scenes is they're in America
because this takes place in Korea, and this was the
last scene, is there in America and we see a
recruiter for squid games in America, like recruiting people off
the streets in Los Angeles. So either that's kind of

(04:37):
a funny little ending like the end of Back to
the Future where it's like, hey, something's got to be
done about your kids. Hey joke, you know, and then
it ends, or maybe that is the literal setup for
what apparently it'd be David Fincher's us I don't know, remake, continuation, extension,
whatever it's going to be of Squid Games, But it

(04:59):
was kind of funny, and it's Kate Blanchette plays the recruiter,
which was, you know, someone of her prestige. It was
a little surprising singer.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Isn't she in the the the David Fincher Win.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Actually, I don't know pretty much anything about it. I
wouldn't be surprised. I mean, she's worked with him before, right,
Benjamin Button.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Oh, okay, I guess she's not in it?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Okay, Yeah, but it makes me very curious.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I mean, why have an actor like her unless you
plan to pull that thread later?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
And that's kind of what I mean, Like that's why
it does work as a really fun, potent little stinger
at the end, like the Back to the Future thing
where it's just kind of a joke, and then you
get like a real famous actor to play that person
and it makes it land even stronger. But I'm just
I know I already talked about this, but I'm just
so surprised with someone like David Fincher, whose voice feels

(05:55):
so singular and unique, and that he would then devote
so much time to kind of doing what we've seen
already again, right, and it wasn't this niche thing that
only a few people were aware of. And then he's
going to bring it to America. I mean, it's still
in the top ten in America weeks after its debut.
So I don't know. I'm curious what he wants to

(06:19):
bring to it or add to it or I don't know. Well, yeah,
and I'm sure I'll check it out.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I feel like he must have something to say, you know,
h yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, you have to imagine, right, right, But but yeah,
I watched that, and then going way way back, I
watched for the first time Blood Simple, which is the
Coen Brothers first Wow. Okay, yeah, so I've mentioned this,
but occasionally I listened to a podcast called blank Check
and it's really good. They go through directors filmographies in order,

(06:51):
and they've just begun a series on the Coen Brothers,
and sometimes I use that podcast as an excuse to
fill in gaps I have with certain directors that I like.
And so they kicked it off with Blood Simple, so
I was like, oh, I got to listen to that,
and so let's check it out. Have you ever seen it.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I saw it probably in the nineties. I'm good, I know.
I saw it at Columbia, So it was like either
either late nineties, early two thousand and something like that. Yeah,
the late great mm at Walsh, Oh so good in
it National Treasure, that guy.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, and and dan Idea Francis mcdorman's first movie. This.
I was very delighted by this. I mean it's just
like a scrappy, promising film debut.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Yeah right, It's like it's like watching Evil Dead and yeah, yeah, like, oh,
this guy's gonna gonna go places. You know.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
That's the thing, right, because from the future, you're like, oh, wow,
they're whatever voice they honed and perfected along the way.
You can absolutely see that voice in that in this movie.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
And you can imagine back in nineteen eighty before watching it,
going oh, I'm not just watching like some you know,
little murder yarn. Like these people are doing something interesting.
They're doing something a little different. There's like a wicked
sense of humor in here. I mean yeah, just like
the funny little absurdities that they have. You know, they're

(08:20):
not as prominent in this, but there's like one or
two things in here that you're like, oh gosh, there
they are. That's the Coen Brothers right there. And I
mean it has the perfect final line from em At
Walsh that's just so dark and funny and like ironic
and just very Coheny. So yeah, it's a little rough
around the edges, but it's like ninety minutes. It's a

(08:41):
tale about people who are bad at crime, you know,
which is very Coeny. And I think for people who
love the Coen Brothers and who haven't seen this, I
think it's worth checking out just as a an awesome
artifact of their work. I'm sure a lot of people
are like, uh, dub Bryan, but.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, no, But I have feeling a lot of pep
listening have not seen it, so so you might just
be the nudge that prompts me be able to check
it out.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
I think if you're a fan of the Cohen Brothers,
I think.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
It's worth it.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah. And then finally going back again, I rewatched a
movie called match stick Men. Yeah, Ridley Scott, really Scott,
and I want to say two thousand and three, and
this movie has always had like a nice little personal
spot in my heart.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
I know I remember you talking about it quite often.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, and the reason being I wasn't much of a
reader in high school, and then when I graduated, and
it wasn't sort of forced on me in school. I
just it was interested to like find a book that
I wanted to Well, you know I've said this before.
I loved the John Grisham books. I liked reading what
I wanted to read. And anyway, somehow I was aware

(09:49):
of this book match Stickmen, and then I learned that
it was going to become a Nicholas Cage movie Ridley Scott,
and I thought, oh, well, that'd be fun to read
it and then see the movie and compare and that
I got it from the library and it just kicked
off this reading streak for me. So I have very
fond memories of that book, and I really liked the

(10:10):
book a lot, and then when I saw the movie,
I thought it was a great interpretation of the book.
And so anyway, I've been on a real reading streak
again recently, and it made me think I'd love to
go back and revisit mag Stick Men, because I remember
loving that like over twenty years ago, and so I
reread it, enjoyed it all over again and thought, well,
let's revisit the movie, and I mean, I'm telling you,

(10:32):
this is just like a really underseen gem. Yeah, just
I mean, really Scott doing something a little bit different.
You know. Usually he does these real epic movies, you know,
Gladiator and huge special effect historical spectacles, and this is
just like a little character yarn. And the characters are

(10:55):
very interesting. The performances are incredible. I think it's one
of Nicholas Cage's best performances. I was going to say that, Yeah,
Sam Rockwall is just effortlessly fun and watchable in this.
Alison Lohman, who has been doing a lot lately, but
she is just perfection in this for the character she's playing.
And yeah, I just wanted to shine a little light

(11:16):
on it because it's just, yeah, just forgotten little gem
from Ridley Scott that I think people might enjoy is
just a little character yarn. But something else I wanted
to mention was I had the DVD from back in
the day, and so I saw that it had these
bonus features and I was like, oh, let's just you know,
see what this is all about. And there is a

(11:37):
ninety minute behind the scenes documentary about the making of
this movie. That's literally three acts. It's pre production, production
and post production, okay, And I mean this is like
real fly on the wall, nitty gritty stuff, like you
actually see the ad get into a fight with the
sound guy.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, this sound guy wants to get into the trunk
of a car to get the best audio, but the
ad wasn't informed and he's like, that's not safe, and
you're gonna make Nick nervous. And they're like filming all
of this and including it in the documentary. And then
there's a moment like Ridley, you know, seems like pretty
chill in his later years, but there's a moment where
a camera jams and he gets all pissed off and
Rockwell like walks off just to collect himself because he

(12:21):
knows he just delivered an amazing scene that is like lost.
And then there was another thing because it reminded me
of my days working on feature films and just that
exciting but sort of nervous energy you have being in
the offices with these you know, sort of sometimes Titanic
figures you're working with, and you can see the costume
designer with Alison Lohman, and he needs to keep showing

(12:44):
different costumes to really Scott, but really Scott's busy, and
you see that sort of awkward thing where they're hanging
around in a doorway waiting for the right moment to
come in and show it to Ridley. And it just
brought me back to that feeling of being in production offices, right,
And I thought, wow, you just do not see well.
Bonus feature is hardly at all anymore. But anything like this,

(13:06):
like this naked and just honest, and I don't know,
it just made me pine for those you know, golden
years of DVD bonus features.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
You know, we didn't know how good we had it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that used to be a selling
point for me a movie that I might not buy
necessarily on its own, But if it was a movie
I liked but it had a wealth of features, I wouldn't.
I knew that I would enjoy digging into that, I
would enjoy listening to the commentary. I would watch this
ninety minute behind the scenes thing, because I mean it's

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kind of like a nice little film school. They get
into the post production on matchtig Men and they screen it,
and the audio that the test screening it doesn't go great, right,
And they're honest about it, and they show Ridley talking
about it, and then they show the problem solving and
they literally solve it by reshooting a scene. But all
they do is add three lines. They go to this location,

(14:04):
add three lines, and I guess Warner brother they showed up.
They started rolling at eleven, They wrapped at eleven twenty,
and Warner Brothers called and was like, what, like, we
spent all this money, we got this location, you only
shop for twenty minutes, shoot more, and they're honest about
all that, And I just I found it very uh,
Like I said, it made me nostalgic for my days

(14:26):
working on sets like that. And also I think for
people who are interested in filmmaking, something like this would
be really valuable. I just I wish they did more
things like this.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
Still, yeah, it's well, there was that period. It was
about a five year period, you know, from from you
know ninety eight to two thousand and three or thereabouts,
where DVDs were being purchased.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
By just normies, right yeah, yeah, not like just film obsessives,
but like it was common to go into someone who
you didn't even think of it as a movie person
and they had a DVD collection.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, you know, so, so even if we want to
push it to like the mid auts basically, and you know,
you just have these these DVDs that were just overflowing
with a rich behind the scenes chronicle, and you started
to see them chipping away at that once the market

(15:24):
just didn't justify it, right, Yeah, And and that's kind
of where we are now. But for that window, we were,
we were kings, Brian, we were damn hell ass kings.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Literally thinking that because of you.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
But but like, now, see here's the thing. Uh, bonus
features have not gone away. They have just become the
province of boutique. Uh, you know, DVD companies certainly that.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I would also say two things. I would say if
there are any on a more major, less boutiqui release,
but on a major you know, Warner Brothers release, they're
more curated, right Like I mean, yeah, well you have
the classic example where you have the DVD commentary with
Ben Affleck poking holes in the plot of Armageddon. This

(16:12):
doesn't make any sense and you would never have that.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Now yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
But yeah, of course you have you know, I think
Arrow and Criterion and all these people and.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Shout factory, Quino Lauribur. There's some good companies out there
doing stuff, so.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, and they're like digging into archives and finding you know,
never before released deleted scenes and things. So yeah, you're right,
it's still out there, but you have to maybe pay
a little bit extra for that sort of thing from
a specialty company.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
That's right. Yeah, Well there we go with folks. So
dig in to your used you know, you go to
your resputant records or whatever, so you can find the
Matchstick Men DVD. Yeah, for Brian's reck.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah. And then and one more thing, because I'm very
curious what you've been watching. But I thought i'd throw
this out there. This was just a random text conversation
having yesterday. But I saw apparently Jurassic Park Rebirth is
coming out on digital streaming.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Jurassic World Rebirth, thinks, Oh, I.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Say, I still can't do it, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jurassic
let's just call it Jurassic seven. There you go.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Is uh.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
I was at the movies last night actually, and for
some reason, they showed the Jurassic World Rebirth trailer even
though it's been out for weeks. And the guy behind
me sarcastically is like Jurassic twenty five. I was like,
damn anyway, but Jurassic World seven whatever, that doesn't make sense. Whatever,

(17:40):
It's the one with Scarla Johansson is coming out digital
streaming August fifth, Yes, which blew my freaking mind because
it's still in the top three box office.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yep, it just.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Came out, and I was telling you, isn't that crazy?
So out of curiosity, I went to Google and was like,
how long did it take for Jurassic Park one in
nineteen ninety three to come out on VHS? Because I
remember the day it came out, like anticipating it, having
my allowance money, going to Sun Coast Video and buying
that VHS cassette. I remember that, And it turns out

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it was sixteen months after the theatrical release that the
VHS release came out.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Sixteen months over a year.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
We had to wait for that movie to be in
our homes. Yeah, I mean, I know this is like
not new news, but it's just I don't know even
now with like with Megan two point zero, which did
not perform unsurprisingly, that is now streaming already, it's streaming
right now. But Jurassic seven, which was a huge hit,

(18:43):
remains a huge hit streaming in like a week or two.
It's crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, well, so I have two thoughts on this. First,
my first thought is that I agree with you in
that geez, just like let it breathe, you know. The
other thought I have though is you have to and
the Universal folks are aware that it's still making money
in the theaters, right sure, And you know, I'm sure

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they're calculus is, Look, we we mark these things up
on initial release on sure to the tune of like
thirty plus dollars, right right, So they're probably like if
people don't want to go to the theater, but they're
willing to pay thirty dollars, yeah, yeah, that we keep

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most of as opposed to splitting the take with the theater,
like why not?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
And realistically, most people who are going to see at
the theater have already seen it, right, so maybe it
is pretty.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
And again, if you got folks who are willing to
pay that they are either bound and determined not to
go to the theater, yes, or they've already seen it
in theater and they just.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Really want to watch it at home, right, or they're unable.
I have a friend who has a newborn and she
is just she was like, I you know, Sinners just
debuted on HBO, and she was really excited. She finally
got to see it. She can't get out of the house.
So there's her now she can finally see.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
So we've managed to talk ourselves straight.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, I know, thank you for walking me through that.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But I'm just I'm thinking because because we know that
there are movies that continue to play in theaters and
do pretty well while they are available for streaming, and
so I that's my only thought. I'm like, I'm sure
the money people at Universal have thought this through.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, you know, absolutely, And I guess I got an
opportunity to be a bit of an old man and
reminisce about how long I had to wait day again.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, the thing is that Jurassic Park, for
however long it took, was still a pittance compared to
how long it took ET to come to home video.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Oh years and years.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah exactly. So you know these things, you know, time
time leaves us behind. I guess that's the takeaway.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, I might, I might be wrong, but I think
that movie came out in nineteen eighty two. I want
to say the VHS was nineteen eighty nine.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So yeah, that's yeah pretty wild.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well real quickly, I'll mention there is a new Smurfs
coming to theaters.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Are you smurfing kidding me?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Indeed?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
I am not.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I am not smurfing kidding.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
I smurf you not.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
I'm trying to see how many Smurf puns I can do.
You know, what I'm gonna say is that there are
three previous Smurfs movies. They were released by Sony between
twenty eleven and twenty seventeen, and this is by Paramount,
and it is it is better than those three. Oh okay,
now I want to emphasize that says more about the

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bar than the Leap. Sure, but it wasn't bad. I
would say I was mostly charmed by it. It didn't
change my life, but I enjoyed the animation. The you know,
everybody's doing the Spider Verse thing, which is kind of

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baked in now. But I like how the character designs
looked looked like the the nineteen eighties cartoon. Yeah, and
they weren't trying to make it all like you know,
three D looking Sure. Sure, in a way that I
found distracting, like those the earlier movies with you know,
Neil Patrick Harris or whatever. Rihanna is smurfat.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
That's right, that's right. I saw the trailer last night.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Actually, yeah, I mean she gets top billing. She there,
it's like Rihanna in Smurfs. That's right, right, that's the marketing.
She's fine. James Corden is the lead character. And I
don't know if this is a controversial pick, but I'm
just gonna put this out there. Uh, I think a
little James Corden goes a long way.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well, you know, it's funny, is like I said, I
just saw the trailer less than twelve hours ago. I
remember so many more names and voices than his, like
are the sort of keeping him out of the trailers
because I would not be a friend. And John Goodman
and yeah yeah, and then they're both great.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
You got Kurt Russell as a smurf, really and and
the smurf looks like what you'd expect when you hear
that Kurt Russell is playing a smurf.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
You know, does he ever go like hell?

Speaker 3 (23:29):
I wish he did now. So again, I'm not saying
anybody should rush out and see it. I'm saying, if
your kids twist your arm, there's probably worse ways to
spend ninety minutes than watching this. I think, I think
the kids will enjoy it, and I was. I was
mostly entertained.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
All right, Well, so is it I mean, does it
do that thing where it's entertaining for kids, but there's
also stuff in there for the parents.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I chuckled a few times. I would say, yeah, you know,
maybe this is just I've been beaten into submission by
those previous ones that I had to watch and I
didn't like it all.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
What's the difference.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
The approach is a little different, you know, this is
uh it's directed by the guy who did Pussing Boots
the first one, Okay, And and you know the writer
is she she's like a South Park van. So there's
an attempt to be a little bit more pop culture y,
you know, And like I said, it's weird. I'm I

(24:30):
don't want to raise the bar too high. I'm just
saying it's not as bad as the other ones. So
that's that's where I'm That's where I'm at with Smurfs.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Paramount has chosen Mercy.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, it's it's not as good as like Ninja Turtles
a couple of summers ago, you know, where that one
was really kind of swinging for something, kind of wish
they would have done that more. Sure, sure, but I didn't.
I didn't mind it for what it was, you know,
well good Like, where were you at with the Smurfs
in the eighties? Did you watch the cartoon?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Oh they were an hour long? They were, that's true,
And I remember kind of bopping around them, you know,
like when they came on, I kind of flipped over.
I was a very like, you know, Muppet Babies, I.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Don't know, which was also a gadget man.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, it's funny now that you say that, but I
loved it. That show is so offbeat though, right like
they would Muppet Babies. Yeah, they would show clips from
Star Wars and horror movies and all sorts of and
they would incorporate themselves into it. Maybe there's something about
that that was really appealing to me, like the v
pop culture aspect of it. I hear you, Yeah, what

(25:39):
about you?

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I mean I don't think I was ever like, oh,
Smurfs is on, you know, stop what we're doing. I
think it was like, oh, Smurfs is on, and you
know this is back before we had the clicker, so
it's like, well, I can get up and change the
channel where I can just just settle in and watch,
you know, one hour of you know, Grumpy Smurf being

(26:04):
or Grouchy Smurf saying he hates stuff and Vanity Smurf
looking in the mirror and you know, yeah, Hefty Smurf
lifting stuff up. I guess it was that.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
And I remember when the Littles would come on.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
I was like, all right, I did not like the Littles.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, same, and I can't remember why, but those are
the ones I remember when they would start, either I
would flip the channel or I would get up and
do something else.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah. That man, I miss Saturday morning cartoons.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
You know, you know, we really think about it. There
were so many options, really, I I mean, you did
have the three networks you could toggle right, yeah, and
they were all showing stuff for a couple of hours.
So there was a real variety, and you found like
your little you know, your little path that you would
take every Saturday, like ten, you know, or like nine,
I go to Channel two and then nine thirty I

(26:53):
go to Fox thirty two and then yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
See what you realize is because yeah, you had you
had NBC, ABCC and then Fox came in in the
early nineties and they were just catering to us.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, it wasn't about them grown ups.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Well I remember, and I guess this is kind of
a weekday afternoon, but that was on Saturday mornings as well.
But Tiny Tunes I remember really loving because they would
make jokes about Tim Burton. Yeah, yeah, and he would
be a character in there. And you know, I was
ten or eleven or something, but I knew who Tim
Burton was, and so it felt like, wow, they're really

(27:29):
like unafraid to make jokes that speak directly to me
but might not speak to every ten year old.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
I remember Tiny Tunes. I remember on Tiny Tunes they
made a joke about Sean Young harassing Tim Burton. While
that's right, right, yeah, And I was, you know, twelve,
and I was like, I was like Captain America, I
get that reference. Yeah, I think we both agree it's
kind of mean spirited now, like.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't do it now, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
But yeah, I mean that whole era, like what you realize.
It's like death by a thousand paper cuts. Like, little
did we know when Saved by the Bell premiered that
that was the thing that would eventually lead NBC to
just get rid of Saturday Morning cartoons. Yeah, yeah, that's true,
because then they just did all of them shows, you know,
like live action high school teen show. Yeah yeah, yeah,

(28:23):
City guys. And there's a.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Basketball one too, right, hang time, how do I know this?

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Why do I know this?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
California Dreams? I think you tell it? Yeah? Yeah, But
and isn't it kind of amazing how long Saved by
the Bell has lived on?

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yes, well many of the other ones have really Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
I mean there was a the I don't know you
call it remake, but like a like a sequel series,
and it was good.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
It was on Peacock.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, and those reruns are still on, and I know
people show them to their kids now, and their kids
still enjoy it. It's just back then, I'm sure parents
were like, what is this stupid stuck show? But like
who knew? Thirty plus years later it lives on.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Who to Thunk?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah? Hey, speaking of Who to Thunk? Who did thunk?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
We got all these letters in the mail oox, you
have been for b eighteen thousands, all addressed.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
You've got Mayo.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
All right, So here we go. This is a comment
we got on YouTube with regards to our last episode
about Jurassic World Rebirth. Okay, and this is from Luke's
mail who says, I have mixed feelings about the four
D experience. For me, it really does depend on the
film and my familiarity with the movie. I think this
is what you were talking about. Where where What did
you see?

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I saw F one f one and that was not
in I liked the movie. I did like the forty
X experience.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Uh, He says I saw Creed three for the first
time in forty and really didn't enjoy it because I
found it very distracting. Yeah, they just have people punching
you in the face.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
There literally is a bar in the back of a
seat that punches you in the back.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah. That doesn't sound appealing to him, says On the
other hand, in April, I saw Revenge of the Sith
in forty for the re release and had a great
time because I was too familiar with the movie, so
it added something to the experience.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
However, my friend who hadn't seen the movie since two
thousand and nine, found it totally distracting and not enjoyable.
I think if you get seasick, Jaws probably wouldn't be
the best in forty I would agree with that. Plus
I really don't want to smell Quint's shack. No fens
to the late Robert Shaw, congratulations on finally getting through
and or Brian, thank you. My favorite show of the

(30:41):
year so far. Remember when it was announced and a
lot of Star Wars fans were like, why would you
make that into a show that There was definitely a
lot of that. Absolutely. I don't know if I was
among them, but I definitely remember that that feeling interesting
to see just how quickly the reputation of a film
or TV project can change from positive to negative and

(31:02):
vice versa. Game of Thrones anyone, And I am Australian too,
so there are two Australians that listen.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
To you at least, Hey, amazing.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Hey we welcome all of Australia.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, I love knowing that.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah, you're a Game of Thrones guy, right, or you were?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
I was. I didn't read the books or anything, but
I just followed the series and yeah, I mean, I
wasn't like passionate about it. There'd be certain characters where
I'm like, wait, who's that again, you know, kind of
a thing. But I did. I did enjoy it, and
I watched the whole thing. But yeah, it definitely, uh,
you know, had a steep declining quality. I think from

(31:41):
what I understand, it kind of happened once the showrunners
didn't have the books to follow anymore and people didn't
love all the decisions they were making, and characters started
behaving in ways that felt a little out of character. Yeah,
one of those things. I mean, it was a phenomenon,
and it's amazing that now it's legacy is like, oh yeah,
that's that show that just fell apart.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
It feels like within minutes of the series finale airing,
people were burning their their Game of Thrones fan club
membership cards, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right, their little pennants. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, it happened pretty fast. And honestly, this this House
of the Dragon, I mean, I it seems like there
was a little bit of buzz surrounding it, but I
don't I don't get the sense that the fan base
is quite as passionate.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I could be wrong, you know, I haven't watched it.
I sort of feel like I've did it. You did
your time and my time in that universe a little bit.
But yeah, it seems like people like it well enough,
but I don't know that it's become the phenomenon. Yeah
that the original, but but I do want to say
I was talking about forty X with my friend last night,

(32:48):
who got us the F one forty X tickets. Yeah,
and I was telling him that I didn't really love it.
I felt kind of bad because it was his idea
and he was a little surprised, and I was like,
you know, here's the thing, and Luke mail twenty four
I kind of have a similar feeling. I enjoyed Twister.

(33:10):
They put nineteen ninety six's Twister in forty X, which
I'm very familiar with, and I really enjoyed that experience.
That was probably my favorite forty X experience. But I
do also think it was perfectly utilized. You did feel
win to come through the theater. That was really fun.
It did rain on you, but it's raining in the movie,

(33:31):
so that was kind of you know, you're in for
a little bit of a rollercoaster ride with the weather,
and it did shake me. But it wasn't very it
wasn't aggressive, you know, it just it felt appropriate. And
so I don't know, it's partially maybe a movie I
was already familiar with, so I wasn't as concerned about
being distracted. And also I just feel like it was

(33:51):
programmed very well. But with F one, I was telling
my friend last night, I would have preferred in the
driving scenes. I would preferred if they had just kind
of buzzed a little bit the seats, like you're in
a fast moving car, and then maybe slanted right and
slanted left and slanted right. But instead, I mean, it
really did feel like they were just shaking all over

(34:14):
the place and trying to make you fall out of
the chair. And that doesn't that's not what it feels
like being in a car. Yeah, And if you hadn't
seen the movie before, well you're not looking at the
screen anymore. You're concentrating on not spilling your drink or
you know, making sure you're well there are there are
no seatbelts, but you're like holding on to your your chair.
So it just it could have been a combination of

(34:37):
just I didn't like the way that those motions were
programmed and that's a movie I don't know as well,
so I do want to pay attention to the screen,
right right, right, So.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Well, yeah, I'll be circumspect about whether I choose to
partake in the fourty x based on what you said. Yeah. Yeah,
here's another comment we got but on YouTube. This is
from lad Jen Tuoit who. This is with regards to
our Superman Returns commentary, which will just dropped last week.
Feeling so spoiled with all of the content. Ooh, Parker

(35:10):
Posey as lois nice call. I think Brandon Routh was
a good Clark after Christopher Reeve until Tyler Hecklan, who
is a great Superman and Clark and I will just say,
you're goddamn right.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I know he's your guy.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Anytime I can hype up Superman and Lois, I will
take that opportunity because it's a it's a damn good
show that people should check out. Yeah. Here's Rob Kelly,
who love to comment on Facebook. Again. This is with
regards to Superman insurance. He says, show me on the
remaindered Superman Returns action figures where this movie touched you guys? No?

(35:47):
Oh no, sorry, Rob, kidding aside While I like this
movie more than you guys obviously do, I can't really
argue with anything you said. Superman Returns is deeply flawed,
and I've always regarded it as a pretty great execute
of a bunch of bad ideas that should never have
made it into a finished screenplay. Superman being gone for
five years to go on a very selfish mission, Superman

(36:09):
as a deadbeat dad, a superpowered kid who murders someone,
giving lois a likable husband, so we have no real
reason for her to get back with Superman. No, No,
no again no and great row do I hate the
the one dog ate the other dog joke? Wtf is
that doing in a Superman movie?

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Right?

Speaker 3 (36:31):
Thanks for another fun commentary, even if it was more
acidic than usual. See, I didn't realize we were acidic.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
There was a point where I realized everything we were
saying was negative. Yeah, And so I remember trying to
be like, Okay, I do want to at least call
out the things that I enjoy.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
And as few went far between as they might have been.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
But you know, I think Rob makes a great point
because he leans positive on this while still calling out
the same things, yeah, as negatives. So we felt that
the you know that those things were negatives also, but
we just sort of leaned a little bit negative.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah. You know, if I might add, one thing that
occurs to me now is that I we recorded that
commentary within gosh like twelve hours of me having watched
the new film. And maybe this is tipping my head
a little bit, but I have a feeling that may
have impacted slightly I pit into the movie that you

(37:29):
and I were watching.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
I can imagine that.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, here's a note we got from David Guccierrez who
says years ago at Comic Con, Brian Singer showed some
very early footage from Superman Returns, mostly of young Clark.
Do with that as you will. He said the movie
was about old boyfriends coming back, which clearly muddied the movie.
As to your comments on the film's look, Singer said

(37:53):
he was basing the look of the film on classic
movies like Rebecca, so that may contribute to the film's
fuzzy look. Now, for the rumors the bank robber scene
was added because there wasn't enough action in the film.
I can't remember what else was added, but I do
remember there was one additional sequence that was added much
later too. Also, a VFX friend of mine told me
there was a VFX artist on Wang duty. Their job

(38:16):
was to shave down the crotch area I'm assuming of
Brandon Rout's costume. Imagine showing up to work each day
for that great commentary. I took the day off to
see this movie, and I remember thinking, maybe a day
at work wouldn't be so bad. David, Rob's gonna have
some words for you. Also, this is the first time

(38:38):
I saw a device distracting me from a film. This
lady rose in front of me kept checking her BlackBerry,
so my eyes kept getting drawn to it. It was
the beginning of a thing I hate to this day.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Wow, that's so funny that he remembers that. Actually, I
remember that with Avatar.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
One of the first times I had to tell someone
you know what it was? It was because he had
it on his Remember some people had like holsters for
their phones.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Oh, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
His was on a holster and it was facing me
and it kept lighting up.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
I remember I had to lean overs like ah, sir,
And he was actually kind of cool about it. You
never know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Wang Duty. Hey, that'd be a good band name, Wang.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Duty Wangdoty playing at Coachella.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Uh. Here's the note we got from Jeffrey Meiser and
this was on our Patreon and he says, I had
a thought connected to the topic of Fox News repeat
cycle of complaining about Superman. I wanted to share because
it drives me crazy. Anytime Superman is in the news,
Fox brings out Dean Kane, who loves to proclaim how
back in his Superman days he was proud to say
he fought for the American way. Here's the ironic thing

(39:48):
that I desperately wish someone would point out to him.
He never said it. Second episode of his series had
the first Lowest Interviews Superman scene, and he said he's
here to help. She presses him for a a better quote,
like what if you were here to fight for truth
and justice? And Superman says truth and justice sounds good.
You can use that well.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
I'll be damned.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I have a soft spot for Lowis and Clark, me too,
me too. I want to say, yeah, yeah, and I.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Think you do too, Brian, Oh yeah, I watched it
back in the day.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, And I've met Dean at cons and He's been
very nice to me and my family. I don't like
to sound like I'm bashing him, but I strongly disagree
with his politics, and I don't stand for trying to
rewrite history, especially to gatekeep Superman. Gatekeeping is like trying
to drag the characters you love onto the ground with you,
instead of celebrating that these stories will continue with future generations.

(40:40):
I want my kids to love Superman. I want everyone's
kids to love Superman.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
I love that. Note.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's a very well articulated and expressed note. I could
not agree more. Yep, And with that, why don't we
take a short break and then we can talk about Superman.
And now we're pleased to bring our feature presentation and

(41:11):
we are back. And you know who else is back? Brian,
who's not Zachy? Why why? It's cub reporter and noted
ladies man Jimmy Olson. He's so fine and of course
you know his best pal, Superman. Oh yeah, that guy,
that guy too. Superman is in theaters right now and

(41:33):
it is doing okay at the box office.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Doing pretty well, pretty well around the world.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Right yeah, it's it's looking like there is based on
the most recent I'm trying to have the absolute most
recent box office information. It made one hundred and twenty
five million at the domestic box office and then another
another ninety five or so worldwide or not including North America,

(42:04):
so doing okay. More interesting to me is that the
day to day holds have been pretty decent, which shows
that word amount seems to be pretty good. As we
that we're recording this on a Wednesday, and it has
the biggest Tuesday of twenty twenty five. Wow, so that's something.
It's eyeing fifty five million dollars for a second weekend.

(42:25):
So all of that is to say it opened pretty
decently world amouns seems to be good, so it seems
to be on track to do our right now. I
would imagine that there's some folks who are invested in
a prior iteration of this character, who are maybe you know,
trying to find every reason to say it's a flop.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, yeah, that's going to be difficult. I mean, I
can understand having a preference for sure, but yeah, trying
to prove that this one isn't performing. I think it's
gonna be.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
I think it's at least doing our right, And the
thought I had was I would imagine that that what
Warner Brothers is looking for is not something that breaks
a billion dollars, but that does well enough not only
at the box office, but in terms of public perception
to warrant continuing. And I think that was the dilemma
they had visa The Man of Steel. So if they're

(43:22):
looking at this from a Batman Begins perspective, I think
I think they're probably in good shape.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
You know, I mentioned as that the movies. Last night
seeing something else, it was a Tuesday night to the
random middle of the week Tuesday night thing, and in
the lobby I saw mom and her two kids, and
the mom was wearing a Superman cape. So I mean, yeah,
speaking of like getting the public back, you know, in
love with Superman and ready to show up for him

(43:49):
over the next couple of years, I think I think
they did it.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
They may have so. So obviously this was a big
gamble because James Gunn when he came in and became
head of DC in late twenty twenty two, he essentially
is like, we're just gonna broom everything and start over,
which which basically meant every single movie that they had
lined up for twenty twenty three flopped. Yeah, and so

(44:16):
really it was like, okay, well it's put up or
shut up time promising start. I will whatever, dude, I'm
just gonna put it out there. I've seen this twice now.
I love this movie. I love it so much.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Me too, I've seen it twice also now and I
I won't see it again.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Last night, I took my I took my kids, and
I took my nieces, all my brother's daughters, and you know,
they know that I've been like a Superman nut for
for a long time now. And as we left, one
of them was like, I get it now. Really, I'm like, okay,
that's all right.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Yeah. Well, you know what's so interesting too, is and
this is I didn't when James Gunn said he's going
to make a Superman movie. I didn't exactly know what
to expect. Is he going to make a James gun
movie or is James Gunn gonna contort himself a little
bit away from the little Troma weirdo he is at
heart and just sort of not cosplay but just sort

(45:19):
of be like, I'm going to make what I think
a Superman movie is the best that I can and
and the answer is he made a James Gunn movie. Yeah,
it's also firmly and delightfully a Superman movie. Like it
is a funny combination of all the above. And it's
been really cool seeing how much people have been enjoying

(45:40):
that take. Yeah, right, it's mostly what I've been seeing.
I went with some people and I thought, at least
one person was not gonna like it because of the
very comic book ye ness of it, you know, like
the Superman having robots and Kaiju's in the street, and
because he's used to, you know, the Chris for Reeve one,

(46:00):
and maybe he wants something that feels a little bit
more traditional, an old school feeling. And he was the
one I think liked it most of anybody Woway, which
I was like, wow, okay, that's fascinating.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, well, I mean let's get into it. But what
are the things that work for us?

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah? Well, and real quick, before I forget something you
just said that I do want to comment on. Can
you imagine the pressure James Gunn was feeling?

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Sure, you know, he appears calm and collected when he
speaks on social media or does his interviews or whatever.
But like, yeah, he wiped everything off the board and
was like, I'm going to start from scratch with you know,
the big tuna, with the big guy here, Superman and
this everything's writing on this being accepted and liked for

(46:50):
my plans for like the next ten years and beyond.
I mean, I can't even imagine then sitting at my
laptop and being like the pressure, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Well, and and the thought I had is right, like
because because at the moment he came in, he could
have been like, all right, well, these are the pieces
in play, right now, let me see if I can
sort of adjust course working with what I have. Yeah, right,
because because my sense is that whether people liked or
disliked the movies he was in, there was a general

(47:23):
sense that Henry Cavill was liked in the role. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I hear that from everybody, whether or not to even
love those movies. They're like, he is a great superman.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
Like he he if there's a problem, he was not
the problem, right, And so one supposes he could have
he at least considered that as a possibility, right, And
but he made the he he made the calculus that
whatever he needed to do required a clean start, and
whatever he wanted to do it was worth the risk

(47:56):
of getting rid of a well liked you know. The
analogy I make is is when when the BROCCOLI's back,
when they were in charge of the Bond franchise, you know,
after Die Another Day, which was very successful, they wanted
a reset, and the reset they required meant getting rid
of the James Bond that was very well liked in

(48:17):
that role ap Pierce Brosnan, Right, And they gambled that
what they had planned would win people over and people
would realize it was worth it. Right. You know what
i mean with with Casino Royal, it's bold, it's a
big swing. And this is this is this is a
comparable swing, not only in terms of recasting everything else,
but but the entire approach to the character. And I

(48:39):
want to be very clear, this is this is not
meant as a criticism of Man of Steel, a movie
that I do like, but it is a reflection of
how James Gunn saw the character. And what you realize
is his vision was not compatible with where with that
prior version of the character. Yeah, totally, you know, so

(49:01):
I personally, this is the only point I'm making. I
like that he did that. I like that he cut
the cord and he lets that version stand on its own. Yeah,
rather than try to try to turn it into something
that that Zack Snyder would not have wanted. It stands there.
It is. It is that that is a trilogy. And
then now we got this new thing.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah, well, yeah, I agree with all that, you know,
but go on, well yeah, I mean, let's just get
to the heart of it. I love this Superman. Yeah,
I love this take. You know, David cornsweat the way.
I think he's great. I think he looks like Superman

(49:44):
all those things. But what I really love is that
I've liked all the takes for different reasons. But what
I think is interesting is that he still feels like Superman,
but he also feels a little different, a little maybe
even like more nuanced in interesting ways, because you know,

(50:04):
we've had Supermen that are a little brooding. We've had
Superman that are kind of stoic and almost like holy
you know, like like the Boy Scout kind of takes,
which they all work in their respective films. But I
like seeing a new version of Superman who gets irritated, right, yeah,
and he's like kind of a dork, but he's also

(50:27):
truly sweet and wants to be a good person. Yea, like,
so all those things are still in there. He really is.
He has a humongous, beating heart and loves humanity. But
he's also a human being and when he gets pressed,
he might get a little annoyed, you know, but at
the end of the day, he's getting annoyed trying to
defend something that he feels is right. You know. I

(50:49):
think when those trailers first came out where you see
the interview between Lois and Clark Flash Superman, he's getting irritated.
I was like, well, that's an interesting choice. And we
haven't seen the film yet, but when you see that
scene in the movie, it's it's an incredible scene. Yeah right,
and it really helps you to understand who this version
of Superman is. And I really love this version, uh not.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Just who this version of Superman is. It helps us
get a clear sense right away of who this version
of los Laine is. Yeah. Sure, Dave Cornsweat is fantastic.
I think he's a star after this movie. You know.
I first of all, a little bit of a brandan
Fraser vibe.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Oh interesting, Yeah, I see that, which.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I which I loved, and I find it appropriate because, like,
you know, back in the early aughts, he was somebody
who was being at least linked to the role, you know,
but kind of the aw shucks energy, you know. He
I think he says like what the hey, and god
when the dog is chomping it is yeah, I love
that stuff, but the hey, dude, yeah, this is a

(51:57):
Superman who says dude, you know, yeah, yeah. I think
that there's a lot of interesting choices that James gun made. Okay,
number one, right off the top, we skip the origin
and and good. I'm glad because because we don't need it,
everybody knows it. It's cultural shorthand and I love that.
And this is not a spoiler because it's in the trailer.
The first sight that we have of Superman is mere

(52:21):
minutes after he got his ass kicked hard, right, And
I think that's a very interesting choice, right, because this
is the whole this is the whole critique people have
about Superman. Oh, he's too overpowered, and he's and you know,
he's not relatable. And here's a guy who's who's gasping
for air. And right away you lean forward a little bit.
You're like, man, how'd this happen? Right? And so our

(52:43):
first introduction to him is as as somebody who is vulnerable, right,
And I think I think it's a it's a perfect
way to segue us into this, uh, this this universe.
I also love. Actually before that even is is the
little text exposition dump that we get where it's like

(53:05):
three centuries ago meta humans showed up, you know, thirty
years ago Superman landed, etcetera, etcetera. And and what it's
doing is just laying out what we need to know
for this universe while dropping us into the middle of it. Yep.
You know what what Gun does with this film is
very interesting because because he pulls from all these different

(53:29):
iterations of Superman and and you know, this is this
is the thing people like, oh, this is not in character,
that's not of like every version. They'll be like, oh,
that's not like Superman would never do this or whatever.
And it's like there are so many versions, right, right,
I can't say that because there are so many versions, right,
And he has the the good fortune of just being

(53:50):
able to be like I'm going to take this from this,
I'm gonna take this from that. You know, this movie
is just this cornucopia of aspects pulled from the Silver Age,
from the the Modern Age, from from the John Byrne reboot,
from the Christopher Reeve movies, from from Man of Steele,
even we got we get pieces of it all in
this kind of this, this just all reimagining and and

(54:16):
it it all fits together, at least for me, in
a way where the most important thing it does is
its centers Superman as somebody who who we we not
only do we admire in the film, but we he
presents a model of heroism that that is aspirational and

(54:40):
absolutely is something right. We talk about this all the time,
you know, when characters make the decent choice, the harder choice,
but they do it and it demonstrates their their morality.
And this this movie is just chocolate block full of that.
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
I know, I agree with everything you just said, and
I love like you said, from all the inner all
his good qualities, all his qualities you might not expect
from Superman, you see them all here. He's very three dimensional,
but at his core he is like always trying to
do the decent thing. Yeah, and he's a good person
and you really really get that sense, and corn Sweat

(55:17):
really exudes that, like he really brings that to life.
And I mean I love the little things that happen
here that give us senses of his character too, or
what type of Superman he is. I mean there's like
big battles happening in the city where people are focusing on, well,
we got to take this. I mean it's in the trailer,
you know, the big monster, and it's like, well, you

(55:38):
got to take this big monster out, like no matter
the cost. And it's bumping into buildings and things are falling,
and while everyone's focusing on the monster up above, Superman's like, guys,
be careful, there's people down there. He's always thinking about
his surroundings. He's always thinking about the people.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Not just that. He's like, don't hurt it.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, well that too, yes, yeah, like trying to kill it.
He's like, maybe we could put it in an intergalactic zoo, right, Yeah.
I love it. I love it when he when he
and even is trying to protect a building at one
point because it's gonna fall or lean on a building,
and he holds it back like he's just so conscious
of everything and he just cares so much, Like I

(56:17):
was just beaming smiling. I just love this guy.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
There. There is a moment with regards to that that
you know, that big Kaiju where again he's trying to
to spare it as well, and you have you know,
the other character. Essentially something happens that results in it.
You know, he's not able to do that, and and
the look on his face, he's like he didn't want

(56:42):
that either, you know. Yep, And and it's you know, uh,
the thesis of the movie is exactly that. I mean,
you know, it's it's maybe being nice is punk rock,
you know, yeah, and you know, you know that can
be cheesy. I suppose I don't doubt there will be
x percentage people watch this who are like, yeah, that's

(57:02):
that's so lame, you know, yeah, sure, sure, But I
think I honestly feel like we're at a cultural moment
where we really want this, we need we need that,
you know.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I agree with that. And we've talked about that a lot,
like certain movies that come out after the Dark Night,
you know, and then you just in Bond was you know,
the same year, I think, right it begins or something,
but it's like in this kind of post nine to
eleven thing where it's like, let's be a little less
fantastical and be like, how would these normally superheroic people

(57:33):
behave in a world that's just a little grimmer and
a little grittier and a little bit more like ours.
And we got that for a little bit, but then yeah,
it's you know, it's a wave you ride, And then
we get that for a while and that's interesting. But
then there's a moment where I want to feel like
everything's a little lighter and a little more fun and
fanciful and there's whimsy, and that's That's what I'm feeling

(57:55):
right now. I want that, and I think that's maybe
why I really connect did with what this movie was doing.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah, the the the stuff that had to happen here
in terms of setting up this broader universe. What I
really like is that it it. I mean, there's there's
stuff that we can imagine, are like, there's threads that
will be pulled on later. But I think Gun to

(58:23):
some extent looked at the first Iron Man sure, which
of course he did right, uh, in terms of creating
a story that's fairly self contained mm hm, and he
really focused in on Look, let's just let's just tell
let's just create something that's compelling, m and that'll be
the thing that makes people want to come back, right. Uh.

(58:44):
I think all all of the stuff with the with
the the Daily Planet, that was something I really liked.
I wanted more of that, to be honest.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, it was fun seeing their camaraderie at work.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Yeah, you know, they're interesting. Like I wanted more of
Wendell Pierce as Perry.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
He too, well, I was thinking of Franklinella. Actually it's
kind of the same thing where you cast someone really
interesting and you want to see them do their thing,
but they don't really get an opportunity to do much,
and you mostly remember them because they are played by
someone you find interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
That's right. I. In fact, if there was one thing
that did disappoint me, it's that we only get one
scene with Clark Kent as reporter Clark Kent.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Huh, just the one near the beginning of the film. Yeah,
I wanted more of that. But one presumes that's something
that they can do in a sequel. I mentioned this
at the start of our conversation. Jimmy Olsen is a
freaking rock star in this movie. Mabe. I mean, seriously,
this is like the best Jimmy Olsen we've ever had. Yeah, yeah,
skylet Gizanto, because this is the thing from the comics

(59:49):
is that he's not like a dork. He's like this
cool guy. And I love that they actually kept that
in and he had some very funny moments totally. Yeah.
The there's a funny bit where where he meets the
Eve character, you know, off the grid, and there's this
very long pause before he's like, yeah, I busted out

(01:00:15):
laughing both times.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Well yeah, and he's he's crucial to the plot exactly.
He's an important character.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, Lex Luthor, very different, Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I'm very curious what you feel about this so well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I think Nicholas Holt is a great choice. I said
that from the start, and I do love that that
he he was he auditioned for Superman, but he got
Lex Luthor. And and I said to you a meme
that that somebody posted, I think so so applicable. It's
like that's almost the perfect way of casting. Lex Luthor's
cast the guy who didn't get to play Superman. Right, Yeah,

(01:00:49):
you know, but here's the thing. Superman his superpower is empathy.
This is something you know, I've said it for years,
and that's the thesis of this movie. We live in
an age right now where our real life Lex Luthor
aka Elon Musk was on you know, the Joe Rogan

(01:01:12):
Show just a couple of months ago, and he's like,
empathy is the biggest weakness in Western civilization, right, like
straight up supervillain talk. Yeah, right, and and and I'm
like that that. You know, this is tech bro Lex Luthor,
and it could not have been intentional to the extent

(01:01:35):
that it feels like, because you know, I mean this
movie was planned before a lot of what's going on
right now, and yet it just speaks to something basic,
which is that to go against our own just our
own innate decency, our own innate empathy, there is something
twisted about that. Yeah, and that's what this film demonstrates

(01:01:55):
so well, you know, the it's it's a conflict between
that idea right selflessness and selfishness. And that's that's necessary
right now, you know, Yeah, definitely Without getting into spoilers,
you know, Superman has this monologue near the film's end
that just crystallizes all of that. But what does it

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mean to be human?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And man? That just hit me, you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Know, yep, yeah, you know you're making me think because
we just recently we're just speaking about Jimmy and this
take on Lex and you know, watching Superman returns so recently.
There are some things I like about it, but just
thinking about Jimmy Olsen specifically, I don't remember the actor's name.

(01:02:43):
He does a good job of what you think of
as the old fashion Jimmy Olsen, You're right, like a
little bit g willakers Clark kind of guy, you know,
and that's fun, but that just doesn't really make a
lot of sense in twenty twenty five, you know what
I mean, because then you're just kind of making a
period film, like right right, yea. And so I think

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what they managed to do really well was to take
all these characters into twenty twenty five and still feel
classically themselves, but also like they could live.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
In the world. I know, also right now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yeah what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Yeah, and it's it's tricky, yeah yeah, yeah, oh totally yeah.
I think I think that's that that was the the
the task that Gun had where he he needed to
put these characters in in in play and so you know,
we need we need the Daily Planet, we need all
of that, and and we need them to be viable

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characters for the future. You know. Oh, Beck Bennett as
Steve Lombard, he was great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
He doesn't get like a ton to do, but everything
he does hits so funny. We were thirty seat belts.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Oh and Mikhaela Hoover, she was Kat Grant. We've had
her on the show a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Yeah, yeah, a friend of James Gunn. Do we want
to talk spoilers? I guess we should.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Oh, I think we should. Definite.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah, there's some stuff I want to talk about. But yeah,
let's let's pass the spoiler wall first.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it. Spoiler Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
So, so the big change in the lore that that
might catch some people by surprise is that Superman's parents,
his Kryptonian parents, turns out they may not have had
as benevolent intentions for their son as prior iterations have
have portrayed. Right, So it's a runner throughout the movie

(01:04:51):
that he has this this message from from Jorel, played
by the way by Rocket Raccoon himself. Yeah, that's right.
Bradley Cooper and and he I forget who who plays Laura.
I thought it was Lady Gaga for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Oh, I can see that. Yeah, she was on Westworld. Yes,
that's right, Angela Seraphion.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Okay, So we so we hear their their message in Kryptonian,
and the translation is you know our son, and we
hope we love you and data right, they kind of
boiler plate Jorell and and we think nothing of it.
And and what we find out after after Lex Luthor
breaks into the fortress, as he tends to do in

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these movies, by the way, right, doesn't matter what virsion
Lex Luthor. The access to the fortress is far too
easy for Lex Luthor, so you know, you gotta do
something about that. But but they translate the corrupted portion
of the message, and we find out that that Jorel
and Laura said, and when you get to Earth, just
conquer that ship, knock up a whole bunch of women,

(01:05:56):
and and and and you know, beat them into submit
if you need to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, which is pretty shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
It is shocking, right, Yeah. And and certainly when we
have you know, Marlon Brando saying, you know, they can
be a good people, but they lack the light. That's
why I've sent them you my only son, you know.
And then and then Russell Crowe says, you know, they
will stumble, they will fall, but they will follow you
into the light. Now it's like just knock them, knock
them all up. Yeah, it's a little different, and I

(01:06:26):
will admit and I initially I was like, oh, oh my,
you know, and you kind of expect the third actor
reveal like, oh, Lex Luthor faked it because he's a
piece of shit, right. I wondered that, yeah, you know,
And instead it's like, no, no, this is this is
what this is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah, mister terrific. Basically, let's the audience know. He's like, no, no,
I know, people's legit, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Right right away He's like nope, right, And I was like,
a couple things. Number one, this is not that far
removed from some other versions.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I was wondering, okay, okay, So.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
A couple of things. For example, in small throughout throughout
the series, there's a Joe l Ai that is voiced
by Terrence stamp And and he is so shitty to
Clark that I remember when the show was airing, people
were like, is that maybe, like it's not Jorell. It's
odd and he just thinks it's Jorelle, you know, huh,

(01:07:18):
And it's like, no, it's just Jorelle. In what way
it was like what was he like like he torments him,
he like brands him, like it's all kinds of pretty.
He's a pretty shitty dad. And then at the very
end of the show he's like, my son, I am
proud of you. Now you are Superman. It's like, dude,
you're like abusive for ten seasons. Interesting, it's just a AI.
Also in the in the Man of Steel comic, the

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reboot that John Byrne did, which I've talked to you
about before, that that series, you know, it starts showing
Krypton about to explode and and you see jorel he
pulls up, you know. He tells Laura, I'm going to
send him to Earth and he shows a picture of
like the human you know people, and she's like, oh
my god, they're they're awful. Look at the the barrick,
you know. And he's like, no, no, he's gonna have

(01:08:02):
powers there. He'll be stronger than any of them. And
she goes, oh, then maybe he'll rule them, and he
just says perhaps, you know, yeah, and that whole serious.
I mean, that's not that doesn't go as far as this,
but it is it is about ultimately Superman making the choice.
He says, Krypton gave me life, but Earth is what

(01:08:23):
made me who I am, right, and so what I
what I like And admittedly it took me kind of
sleeping on it is how this version really detaches itself
from the Christ parable m Yeah, right, and in a
sense it's it's about him figuring it out for himself.

(01:08:43):
And I'll tell you something, man, I will say the
portrayal of the Kents. Yes, initially I didn't know what
I thought of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
I saw you post about that, yeah, and so I
was curious how you felt about After a second viewing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
It took me sort of like fixing my my expectations, right,
because you sort of you expect like Glenn Ford or
you know, Kevin Costner whatever you know, and and Pruett
Taylor Vince's is different.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Yeah, actually, can you get into that a little I
have a thought too, but specifically, like, what was it
that made you hesitate a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Okay, so obviously visually very different, sure, but I think
more like there I was like that they seem to
be portrayed almost like Bumpkins.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Okay, I had the same problem, right, I was like,
I know what you're trying to do, but I think
you accidentally went a few too many degrees into like
cleitis the slack.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Shot yogl yes that right now. Now, now that being said,
I think that the they're the scene in the film
where you've got Clark and Jonathan sitting on the bench
next to each other. I'll be honest, the second time
I watched it, I found myself getting teary eyed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Yes, you know all of it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Right. So Clark is like, I don't. All this time
I thought I was this and this is what I
And it turns out I was saying here for this,
And I love what Jonathan says. He says what you
thought the message meant says more about you than what
it says.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah, isn't that amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
And I love the bookend his relationship to them. Provided
you know, you open the film where Superman is beaten
up and his helper Robots put on video of his
Kryptonian parents, saying it soothes him to watch a video
of his parents, And then of course you learned that
they weren't exactly who he thought they were, and it's
very troubling to him. And then when the movie ends,

(01:10:51):
the robots repeat that line from the beginning. You know,
we're going to put on video of his parents. It
soothes him. And this time, after everything we've been through,
it's video of Ma and Pa Kent, the parents who
raised him and gave him the tools to become the
person he became. And you see them on Christmas morning

(01:11:12):
and Pa lifting you know, young Clark into the air,
and you know, Superman is watching all this with a big,
warm smile on his face. It made me tear up.
It was just it's just so wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
I mean, so it took a second for me to
adjust to this portrayal of the Kents. But but the message,
I'm one hundred percent on board with.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Agree with that completely. And I think the second time,
knowing what it was, yes, it went down a little easier.
I still might have, like if I had been on set,
been like, hey, maybe like move the dial just like
two degrees, you know. Yeah, But I guess with with
Ma Kent, yes, she's a little I mean, by the way,

(01:12:00):
I like my parents struggle with their phone you know,
like it's it's it's not like the fact that they
don't know how to use a phone, but it's just
a little like Clark the talking box ain't working, you know,
like they're.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Kind of yelling into the phone and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Yeah, yeah, just dial that stuff a little bit back.
But otherwise, everything that they're doing for Clark and for
the story and everything, I really liked.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
One hundred percent. Yeah, I agree with that, and and
I think that it just makes for such an effective
contrast with with with Lex, right because because you realize,
like Clark is who he is because he was he
was raised by these folks. We're just they're just simple.
They're just simple, salt of the earth types. And and

(01:12:44):
Lex is such a damaged person for for reasons that
I hope future movies get into. Yeah. I would like
that honestly, that that you know, he really has this
this twisted view of humanity. You know. Oh, did we
want to talk about the Justice Gang?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Yeah, and real quick, I just want to add to
the Lex thing. What I really enjoyed was, I mean
he admits that he's driven by envy, which is like, yeah,
no shit, yeah, yeah, of course you know that. But
he thinks that that can drive him to great things,
that can drive him to success, which is interesting. But
I also thought what was interesting was, you know, he

(01:13:21):
really wants to take down Superman and make the world
not trust him or meta humans anymore, and like have
humanity reclaim their humanity or whatever. But what I like
was at the end, when he's thwarted and exposed and
then everyone hates him, a tear goes down his face.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
I saw interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I love that because he is a human being. He's complicated,
you know it doesn't like forgive anything he's done. But
he's not just a one dimensional, you know, monster person.
Like like you said, he comes from somewhere, and I
do hope we explore that at some point. But I
just loved that little detail at the end, like just

(01:14:01):
the first you know, hint of weakness or humanity that
we've seen from him the whole film. I just I
wanted to call that out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
No, I really clocked that the second time I saw it,
you know. Yeah, Actually, speaking of tears, one of the
moments that really hit me was when Clark is in
the when Superman is in the Pocket Universe prison and
they just play Russian roulette with that poor guy.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
That's pretty rough, by the way. You know, I've seen
that scene called out and I mean it ultimately is
effective within the story, but it is pretty intense, you know, literally,
I see, I've always had like a weird thing with
Russian Roulette in films. I just find it so disturbing.
And I know that's obvious, but just the whole idea

(01:14:46):
that someone could point a gun at someone's head and
not know what's going to happen, but just lack yeah,
enough humanity to be willing to pull the trigger to
see what happens. That always has just disturbed me to
my core. And I was a little surprised to see
that in this movie. I mean, do you want to
establish what an absolute piece of shit your bad guy is.

(01:15:07):
That's a pretty good way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
To do it. That's true, right, And obviously I can't
help but but but you know, notice the fact that
they cast a a brown Muslim guy, you know, Muslim character.
You know, I mean, this is this is a movie
ultimately about this this immigrant who's deemed as not belonging right,

(01:15:33):
And what is more present tense than that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know, And as hard as it was
to watch, I did love that the movie ended with
Clark writing a piece about him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but the callousness of Lex not only
doing it, but then he's like I thought that would
take longer. Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, and and again
like like a Superman just screams in frustration, and again
you just see a tear go down down his face.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I mean to me that that idea, that he is
just so driven to help people no matter what, and
when he's not able to it, that's when he's at
his worst, you know, I mean it. I mentioned to
you about Kingdom Come, you know, the mini series. I
think when we were doing our Superman Returns commentary, this

(01:16:23):
to me felt so in tune with that, the way
that character is depicted, you know, which is entirely appropriate
now that I think about it, because that was written
by Mark Wade, who also wrote Superman Birthright, which is
an origin retelling. I don't know if you've read that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Well, you know, it's funny. You mentioned it in Superman
Returns and when we did the commentary and I couldn't
remember if I had read it, And then lo and behold,
a day or two later, it shows up at my door.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Okay, to become. Yeah, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Was just like, ah, it touched me that you sent
that over.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Well, I hope you enjoyed whatever you rid of it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Yeah, I'm three quarters through it now, but I immediately
I mean, yeah, the portrayal of Lex. There's even a
moment where his secretary gets murdered. Yeah, and it's just like,
oh geez, you know, kind of and it reminded me
of of that moment, the Russian Roulette moment. And then
of course there's the whole Sorry I don't mean to
lead to something else, but the whole that meta humans

(01:17:20):
are a thing, right that everyone has to deal with,
and in this movie they're mostly good, but they're just
not paying close attention to the collateral damage they're creating, right,
Whereas in Kingdom Come, they're just kind of a mixed
bag and mostly like kind of disdain humans and are

(01:17:41):
attacking humans Willy Nelly. But yeah, I really enjoyed reading
that after watching this movie, and yes, see, oh that's
so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Yeah having that as context, you know, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah, it was great and I really appreciate it as
a gift.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I'm glad you're enjoying it. Yeah. So Mark Wade wrote
Kingdom Come. He also wrote Birthright, and so you've got
like this origin story for Superman and then you've got
this Ladder Year's story of Superman, right, And I think
both of these works really drilled down on what makes
the character who he is. And I feel like there's
a very strong influence being felt in this movie in

(01:18:13):
terms of how he's depicted. That was very very long
way of saying what I was trying to But but
to your point, the other heroes in this movie, I
initially I was like, I don't know, are we are
we over stuff in this thing?

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
From like the trailers, you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
From from the trailers, yeah, and just from casting, like
oh and this person is playing this person, you know.
But I I was one hundred percent on board with
First of all, mister Terrific is such a great character.
Like I've liked him for a long time. I remember
buying his very first appearance, No really late nineties. Yeah,

(01:18:50):
And I never would have thought we'd get like mister
Terrific in a movie, right, And he is exactly the
way he is in the comics. He's really he's just
this bad as super genius, you know, one hundred percent.
And Eddie Kthega who plays him. He was in X
Men First Class as Darwin and I don't know if

(01:19:10):
you remember that movie, but he's the guy he's like
the first one killed. Yeah, I don't remember. So his
whole power is he adapts to survive. That's so whatever circumstance,
he finds an adaptation and survives. That's in the movie.
But he's the first one to die. I'm like, man,
I get it that the brother always dies first, but
that you gave that was his power, right right, And

(01:19:32):
I'm just like, man, he had to wait fourteen years,
but he got his his just reward, you know. And
then and then Guy Gardner played by by Nathan Phillian.
Oh my god, this is like, I'm guessing you have
no idea who Guy Gardner is before seeing this movie. No, yeah,
so Guy Gardner's the asshole green lantern. That that's his

(01:19:53):
whole thing. And and Nathan Fillion just embodied him so perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Oh yeah, he's You know. What I love too is
if this wasn't James Gunn and he wasn't friends with
Nathan Fillion, and he wasn't the head of the studio,
they might feel, you know, Warner Brothers might be like, well,
can you cast this hot person off of social media?
Or can you cast this big actor off of this movie?
But instead Gunn got to cast exactly the guy who wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Yeah, who's perfect for it, who just nailed it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
But what I love is that obviously they have some
importance in the story, and we presume that there's some
pieces being put in place for whatever becomes of a
you know, a Justice League down the line. But their
presence in the story is important in terms of how
the third act ultimately revolves around them, them living up

(01:20:46):
to Superman's example, and so they show up at the
end even though it's like, hey, we shouldn't be getting
involved in this stuff, right, you know, for me, the
scene where you have these people from the you know,
the the invasion is about to happen, and jahan Pur
and all people are just chanting Superman, Superman Man. I
don't know, I love that stuff. Oh yeah, that kid

(01:21:06):
with the flag, you know, yeah, it just it just
totally worked for me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
That was the other thing too, is like I don't
know how much older versions have really gotten into the
idea of no, really, if Superman saw a war was
about to start, of course he would feel compelled to
save lives, but what would that mean globally?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
You know, Now I feel like this movie did a
good job of I mean, obviously that could get really
nuanced and complicated, and I think they found the perfect
balance of that idea but not making it overly you know,
sticky or complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a good I mean it's it's because
lowis press is him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
In their interview, you know, like it's, of course I
understand why you did it, but did you consider these
things and do you feel like this is okay? And
do you need to you know, consult with the present
in it first before you do such a thing. And
he's just like, you know, being the big beating heart
that he is, He's like, people were going to die. Yeah,
So I did what I had to do with the

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time that I had, and he and he stands by it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
And that's that's the real tricky thing, right, because because
what this film is trying to do, and presumably what
future films are, they're going to try to reckon with
the geopolitical impact of a world where these type of
characters exist, right, And it's something we've talked about before,
like if you try to go too realistic, then you

(01:22:35):
start bumping up against just the reality that well, a
world with superheroes in it has no resemblance to our world,
right if you follow it down that track. So it's
like it has to be somewhat relatable, but we have
to grapple with what is it like when you have
characters like this and and that kind of like the
whole running you know, background plot about people the Pentagon

(01:23:00):
Rick Flagg played by by Frank Rillo, whose character Rick
that is Rick Flagg Senior and he is the father
of Rick Flagg Junior played by Joel Kinneman, who of
course was in the Suicide Squad film.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Oh yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Because if you remember the technically the Suicide Squad is
can into this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Film, right right, yeah, because Peacemaker and Peacemaker shows up
he's in this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
Yeah yeah. So so that's a weird one, Like I'm curious,
you know, because because Peacemaker Season one, the finale has
the Justice League in it, hmm, played by I mean
we see Ezra Miller and Jason Momoa.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Oh interesting, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
So it's kind of this weird tweener of a thing
that's in both the universes, I guess. But regardless, you know, uh,
the events of the Suicide Squad do factor in somehow
to this universe, and and Frank Grillo is gonna be
one of these continuing characters, right, and that, like my
point is, I'm interested in seeing that storyline play out. Yeah,
where you see the government getting more heavy handed. I

(01:23:59):
suspect this is what leads to some kind of a
justice league, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Yeah, well, I mean we see the Hall of Justice
right like straight out of the purtoon that was pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Right, Which is the actual place in Cincinnati?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Is it really?

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Oh I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Yeah, it's it's a it's ah, I forget what it
is exactly, but it's it's an actual location that that
the Hall of Justice was modeled on. And then they
just you know, they shot there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
And if you notice, it's like under construction and stuff.
So I mean, yes, there's like subtle things that they're
setting up for later, you know, right, right, But I did.

Speaker 1 (01:24:36):
I did enjoyed seeing that there are other people who
are helping, but you know, they have their different personalities
and attitudes and just seeing Superman cooperating with them, but
also being like, guys, come on, like yep, be careful,
Like that was such a great way to understand Superman
even better.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
You know what we haven't talked about is at the
very beginning, there is a bad guy, the Engineer is
that her name?

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
Yes, the Engineer that's right, who.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Is literally just walking nan nights. And I was like,
Nana Nights. Why did it have to be Nana Nights?
And then you know it's like, oh, yeah, you know,
we did this conversion with you, so you're made of
nothing but nan nights and you can turn into anything
and become anything. And there's like a moment where she
has like a T one thousand kind of thing where

(01:25:30):
she like turns upside down her feet in her hands
on whatever. And I was like, but you know what,
credit where credits do? And also I do want to say,
I mean this movie does at times kind of go
into like big CGI gobbledegook.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Yeah, you know, but a little much in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
A little much in my opinion too. But where I
will give it credit is I always cared about what
was happening, even when we were in that pocket universe,
and there was you know, sort of that stream that
was going into the black hole or whatever it was.
It was a little loosey goosey, and you know, I
always call it like screensaver looking, you know whatever. But

(01:26:13):
I cared about what was happening. So I don't always
have an easy time connecting with those types of set pieces,
but I and even at the end a little bit.
What we haven't even talked about when Supermin fights is clone.
But that stuff gets a little bit like, oh, just
two CG figures pummeling one another. But I did always
care about the outcome. And I do feel like I

(01:26:35):
had this thought in my head where it was sort
of like when I grew up in the nineties, I
had my opinion about what rock and roll was. Rock
and roll sounds like this because that's what I grew
up with. And I think that happens to me with
movies a little bit, where I'm like, well, this is
what an action movie looks like. But you know, eventually
the two thousands happened, and then there's this pop punk
thing and I'm like, well, yeah, that's okay, but it

(01:26:56):
doesn't quite sound like the rock and roll that I know,
but you're like, yeah, but time marches on and then
eventually it gets a little bit later, and rock, in
my opinion, became a little softer. And I was like,
this isn't rock and roll, but like you talk to
a kid and they're like, yeah, this is rock and roll.
And so I had this moment where I was like, well,
in the Superman movie, in my mind, I don't know
that I would have gone into like so much of

(01:27:16):
the like cosmic CGI in this universes stuff. But like
Marvel's happened, Guardians has happened, you know all these like
it evolves, It changes what rock and roll is, what
movies are. They continue to change and progress and become
new things. And as long as a movie in twenty
twenty five, that's a superhero film, you know, after what

(01:27:39):
we've had everything come before, that's what they feel like. Now,
that's what they are. And I think, then if you
can do that well and I care through the whole thing,
then I personally would say I have to call that
a success. And so I was. I was feeling those
feelings a little more strongly the first time, grappling with
them a little bit. Yeah, then that's why I think

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you and I were both saying, we're glad we saw
it a second time because I was able to put
all those sort of active thoughts in my mind as
I was watching the first time behind me, now I
know what it is. And I watched it again, you know,
the second time, and I was like, I just I
just love this, you know, I just love these people.
I like how this movie makes me feel. I do
feel like as a modern superhero movie in twenty twenty five,

(01:28:25):
with some things I like and some things maybe I
would have done a little differently, I'd still call it
a success at the.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
End of the day. Yeah, well, let me just echo, Yeah,
what you said was exactly my process going from screening
one to screening two. And that's you know, it's it's
one of those things where, Mike, one of my major
critiques of Man of Steel has been just the super
destructive third act, and so this did something in that

(01:28:55):
vein and it was a little bit like, you know,
let's just pull it back a little bit, you know,
that said the I like that it was the wrap
up ultimately revolved around Superman, you know, expressing his humanity,
right like it was it was that that that monologue

(01:29:18):
that he has that really places his character in context,
you know, and and I think you know you alluded
to the clone. I think that first of all, I
have to say I I I figured out pretty early on.
I was like, I'll bet you that's a Superman clone.
I'm very proud of myself. I leaned over to him
and I was like, I think he's a clone of Superman,

(01:29:39):
because because I was like, how do they get into
the fortress? Right? You know? But I was like, number one,
it's clearly some version of Bizarro. Right, I can easily
see that character returning as Bizarro.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
Yeah, we talked about that, oh with with your group, Yeah,
with Sean and everybody. Yeah. And then also I was like,
he's also like new clear Man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Oh yeah, I didn't think of that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
That's also a character from the Strand of Hair, from
the Strand of Air, right, was the Nails, And that
would have been Brian's favorite fantasy come to life. No
but but but but the idea, right, like like you
can create a super creature, but what makes him, what

(01:30:27):
makes him a hero, is his humanity, right, And that's
the ultimate dichotomy. And you know, the futility with which
Lex is like, you know, just calling out the fight
pattern sequences A one, A one exactly, you know. I
I it's been interesting because I've seen a lot of folks,

(01:30:47):
you know, not be crazy about this Lex Luthor because
he's like screaming and whatever. And I'm like, I like that.
He's very different. I like that he's different from other.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Lex Luthors were not composed. Is that what they don't like?

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Yeah, And I'm like, well, look, Lex Luthor, unlike Superman,
you have a very wide range of characterizations available m hm.
And so you can have Gene Hackman and John Shay
you know from from Loewis and Clark and Nicholas Holton.
They're all doing completely different versions, right, but they all

(01:31:22):
work for me totally, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
Yeah. I also just remembering things now, I like the
the eve Testmacker. Yeah, with the selfies, I was like, oh,
that's that's fun, that's clever. Yeah, because I mean it
made sense her being a type where you know, there's
a monster fighting in the background and she's just taking
a selfie and they you know, I thought they you
could see that happening. Now, I would be probably you know,

(01:31:48):
like taking pictures with my phone and whatever. But then
just baking that in and her seeming so sort of
you know, dim witted or whatever. But then it turns
out she's been sort of protecting herself or building something
away out this whole time. I thought was a fun
little twist.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
I you know, there's that moment when when he like
throws his stapler at her. Yes, and and for me,
that's like, like, God, what a piece of shit this
guy is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
I thought the same thing. I think it's like a
pencil or something. And I remember thinking like, ow, dude,
yeah that's not nice.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
And then he like knocks his shit down. He's like,
pick all that up, right, right, I'm like, and you realize, well,
that's the mentality, right, this this entitlement mentality. Right, I
am better than you, and therefore you need to, you know,
subjugate yourself to my whims. And and again you can

(01:32:38):
trast it with Superman, who's like, I'm not better than anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
M h.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
I mean, come on, dude, I don't know. That just
speaks to me. That's what's so intrinsic about this character.
You know, I have I have loved Superman my entire life,
and and I remember just a few weeks ago, literally
like well before the movie came out. You know, my
daughter came into the my cave where I've got all

(01:33:05):
my Superman stuff, and she's like, Bob, but why do
you like Superman? And I said, At first, I was like, Oh,
this moment is finally here, right come, sweetheart? Said but
I said, I said, because he has the power to
do anything he wants, and he he chooses to help people.
That's why he's my favorite, because we can all do

(01:33:26):
our best to help people. And this movie is a
reflection of that thing I told my daughter, And that's
why I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
That's beautiful, by the way. I love that you got
to have that moment with her. I did have this
moment where I thought, you know, I've said before my
brother and I sort of joke that I'm a little
more like Batman and he's a little more like Superman.
And because sometimes I have an immediate reaction when someone
does something wrong or hurts someone, my first thought is like,
you know, like grabbing them by the collar and holding
them over a building and being like how dare you? Oh,

(01:33:57):
you know, and being like kind of aggressive. But Superman's
who I want to be, and I think this movie
did a great job of showing a superman I want
to be like, you know, going back to what I
was saying earlier, he gets irritated, he has his foibles,
and he behaves like a human, but when it comes

(01:34:17):
down to it, he's always doing his best and he
really really cares and he wants everybody to come out alright.
And I just found that so like rousing, And you know,
that's a character I want, I want to root for
and watch.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Yeah, and hopefully we'll get to watch more of him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Yeah. Well, and lastly, I know we talked about it
a little bit, but I just want to say I
also loved Lewis and Clark in this. I thought it
was a very romantic and sweet and nuanced feeling relationship.
Like they you can tell it's still kind of fresh.
It's only been three months and they have you know,
she says something like, I'm not good at relationship, and

(01:35:00):
then at another point she's like, we're very different. Yeah,
and that is true, and they are. They've always been
different in every iteration, but there's something that brings them together.
And I thought this movie did a good job of
highlighting those differences and making them true to themselves, but
also making a compelling case for why they're drawn to
one another. And I found it so sweet. After that

(01:35:22):
big battle at the end where she's like, oh, do
you want to do an interview and tell me about it?
Like over here maybe away from everybody, He's like, yeah,
that sounds good, and they like going the building and
kiss and float and then they're so funny when Perry
to Jimmy like, so, how long has that been going on?
Jimmy's like, oh, like three months? Like everybody knows.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
I love that part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Yeah, and I think I think it's a great, great
way to wrap things up. Yep, you know. I also
liked the oh you know, we didn't mention the cameo
by a Supergirl at the end. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
so setting up the Supergirl movie, which is coming out
next summer, I think a year from now. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Millie Alcott, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Who was speaking of the Game of Throne spinoff, Yeah
that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Yeah, kind of an interesting portrayal of the character.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Not what I expected. I mean when I think of Supergirl,
and I got to be honest, I haven't read any
of the comics and I have not seen the film,
I think from nineteen eighty four or whatever it is,
but in my head, it's like, oh, well, she's just
a female version of Superman. She's like, right, you know,
altruistic and gets the job done. But so it was
very surprising to see her stumbling into the cave or

(01:36:39):
the fortress drunk, you know, and just calling Superman a bitch.
You know, just now what I expected. So I'm curious,
what is this take on her? I mean, is this
from something or.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Yeah, it's based on a storyline called Supergirl, Woman of
Tomorrow by Tom King, and it kind of gets into
her her whole backstory, which is quite a bit more tragic,
you know. And so you know, we see her dealing
with the hangover, and what you realize is that, you know,

(01:37:15):
she's she's dealing with a lot of stuff. I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
You know. What I liked about it immediately was that
she was different than him.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:24):
So we're not just going to get like female Superman
in one year and just a similar story, right, you know,
where she just behaves exactly like kelll like, she's got
her own thing going on. She's got a very different personality.
But she has the same powers, and that's I look
forward to seeing someone with those powers who's very different
and how they grapple.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, And and you know, I hope
that this this is enough of a tease to make
people interested in checking that out. We haven't mentioned Crypto
at all. Oh yeah, wow, Yeah, Crypto is a good boy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
So what'd you think. I've seen more people than I
expected saying they thought there's a little too much of him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
I didn't think there was too much of him. I
you know, I I I think what they did with
him worked, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
I agree. Actually I didn't feel that way at all.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
So I yeah, I and I think, like you talk
about something value added, like we've never gotten Crypto in
a movie. It's something totally different. It sets this version apart,
you know. And I thought I thought it was very cute,
you know, that he's just this very unmanageable, lovable dog,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
Yeah. Yeah. And then in the opening scene where Superman's
all beaten up and he calls Crypto over for help,
but Crypto's just jumping on him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
He's like, oh god, I don't know. I tracked with
all that me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Too, And I actually I love the moment also when
the fortress has been raided and then Superman barges into
Lex's office, It's like, where's the dog? Which and that
would be enough for me to be like, I love
this guy. I love Then when he's talking to Lois,
he's like, I gotta go find that dog and she's like,
it's just a dog. He's like, yeah, well he's alone

(01:39:07):
and he's probably scared, so I know, I was like, oh,
I mean come on, yeah, I mean seriously, you know
that was a great scene too. By the way, the
you know where that like I don't know, interdimensional monster
was being in the background. Yeah, yeah, fought in the
background and Superman just sitting there like no, it's fine,
it's just a little and they got it. They got it.

(01:39:29):
But he's just sitting there like, uh, bad day.

Speaker 3 (01:39:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
In that moment between him and Lois, excuse me, I
think that's when they were highlighting how different they are. Yeah,
but you also see why they're drawn to one another.
And she gives them the cocoa and there's that really
funny shot where the monster fight is out of focus
and he's drinking the coco and he's like it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
It's oh by the way, speaking of like little little
things that they just feel very very James Gunn esque.
When Lois is just pouring that sugar in the coffee,
right and you just see Jimmy he just keeps looking
down at her, just pouring that sugar. He just cracked
me up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Yeah. And by the way, he really has a thing
for poking people in the eyeball, doesn't he. I was like, oh,
I was like, gun please. I remember Suicide Squad a
big starfish with the eye, and then this one there
when that Kaiju they're like get him in the eye.
I was like, no, so gross.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
You know, in Guardians of the Galaxy three, you know,
there's that whole storyline about Rocket and his remember like yeah,
like his his animal friends and everything. And I remember
like just the when his friends get killed and it's
the flashback and Rocket just screams you remember that, yeah,
oh yeah yeah. And And what you realize is James
gun just has a real soft spot for for you know,

(01:40:51):
our furry friends.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:53):
Yeah, And and so I think it's very sweet all
little stuff in here, you know, like when he when
he's when Superman's lifting the Kaiju and he blows that
dog out out from under it because you go away.
Yeah yeah, and then he rescues the squirrel and all
this stuff. I'm like, no, this is just like right
in line. Here's another thought. Actually, I have no doubt
that there is something therapeutic for James Gunn about writing

(01:41:17):
a movie where a guy, a shitty person, essentially breaks
into his social media history and finds a bunch of
shit that, taken out of context, makes him look really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
I can't believe I didn't even think about that, right,
You're so right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
And the reason I say that, think about it the
fact that the message itself was not altered. It was
just here is what this is. It's this shitty person
who found this questionable thing. And and when I look
at everything James gun went through VISAVI getting canceled, you know,
by Marvel and everything, the one thing he said, He's like, look,

(01:41:59):
I said that stuff. I own it because it's it's true,
you know. And so I have no doubt in my
mind that he was working some stuff out with this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
That's what great artists do, right, They're able to take
something from their lives and translate it into something that
becomes universal. Yeah, that's I didn't even think about that.
That's really interesting, and that was kind of funny in
the Pocket universe, he has all the monkeys. It's like
mister Burns with all the monkeys just likes me.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
It was the best of times. It was the blurst
of times.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
It's literally what's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
All that stuff? And honestly, what's so great about that?
All those monkeys typing, you know, stuff up on social media?
Is that such a great way to just view Twitter?

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
Now? It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:47):
Whenever you just see this, this this swamp of just
hateful nonsense, it's like you just imagine just row upon
row of monkeys with with with electrodes in their brains.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
You know, I know, well I you know speaking to
this specific moment in time. I mean, Elmo's ex account
was just hacked, and I was like, what kind of
a world do we live in? This guy wants nothing
more but for us to believe in ourselves and be happy.
And like I was telling my friends last night, you know, Anonymous,

(01:43:18):
remember those hackers that used to kind of do things,
And it seems like largely they were sort of like
going after people in power and exposing things and trying to,
you know, taking down the big guy that people who
seem sort of protected. But I was like this, and
I'm not saying that's good or bad. I don't even know,
Like probably case by case, I have an opinion on it,

(01:43:38):
but like, who in this day and age is going
into Elmo's like social media and putting hateful things on it,
you know, And so like you just said, I mean,
seeing these monkeys with electrodes in their heads just writing
nonsense on a social media I just felt very aptin
of the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:43:59):
Yeah, you know again, I have no doubt that that
that was very very personal to James gun.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:09):
Anything else that we that we missed, not that I
can recall.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
But yeah, like I said, I mean, I've seen it
twice now, and I could I could see easily seeing
it again. I mean, I would love to see it
again theaters big, but I certainly wanted streaming down the line.
I know this is one I'll be revisiting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
I have every expectation of watching again in the theater
within the next week. So yeah, still a couple of
my kids haven't seen it. So perfect. There you go,
As if I needed an excuse, Yeah, you know, I
think it's a great start to the new DC movie universe.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
I'm excited. I'm excited for the Green Lantern series. I
think that's going to be on HBO or HBO Max
or whatever. And I'm really curious about Batman. Yes, I
am so curious about James guns Batman. What Batman looks
like in the universe that I just saw here with Superman, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
What is that like? Yeah? I think I think that
enthusiasm that you're feeling is echoed by a lot of
other people, which I think puts puts this movie in
a good position to point towards something new and interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:45:17):
Yeah. I mean I want to acknowledge. I know this
didn't work for everybody, and I've seen that and for
people whose opinions I really you know, respect and I
get it absolutely, but it was nice to see that largely,
it feels like people connected with this, and it's nice
when a large group of people connect with something that's
just so positive.

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
I agree fully with that. Yeah, And by the way,
I want to just circle back to what we were
saying at the beginning. You know, I think I think
the Snyder films, they still exist, and you know, that
trilogy of Man of Steel and the longer cut of
Batman for Superman and Snyder's Justice League. You know what,
that's a great story that can be visited and revisited

(01:45:59):
as well. And it's just as valid an interpretation of
these characters as any other. And you know, I think
I say this about Batman at Superman and any of
these great characters. You know they can't. They are strong
enough to withstand multiple interpretations, right, you know, and and
right now we're in this place with this interpretation. I'm

(01:46:20):
happy and I look forward to seeing David's scorn sweat
continue to fly for you know, another ten years or
so hopefully, and see what happens there ditto. All right, Well,
I think that's a good place to leave this discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:46:33):
Yeah, this is fun. I mean, you and I really
hadn't talked about it and not at all, and I
was so curious, so I was looking forward to this. Well,
but let us know your thoughts about the movie, and
let us know your thoughts on our thoughts about the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:46:46):
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Thanks folks, welcome friends.

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