Ep. 323: The Fantastic Four: First Steps / The Naked Gun

Marvel's first family is back in THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS, and Liam Neeson is picking up where Leslie Nielsen left off in the new THE NAKED GUN! The MovieFilm boys chime in with their thoughts on both big budget reboots, plus quick takes on THE BEAR, FREAKIER FRIDAY, Ice Cube's WAR OF THE WORLDS and much more!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome friends. It's come podcast podcasting time show Jack again
by head. They're talking to Mom down Black. Welcome to
Movie Film.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's episode three hundred and twenty three, brought to you
by mister Wood Productions. I'm Zaki a sign. I'm here
with Brian Hall.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
Hey, how's it going, Zachie.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's it's been a minute, it really has, right we have.
We have taken our traditional late summer hiatus and we're back.
We're back, ready to play.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Yeah, well I'll start real quick because yours is a
little longer, and I'm very interested to hear about it.
But I'll just say on my end, my parents are
out here visiting, which they tend to mostly come out
at the end of the year around Christmas time.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
And they live in Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
They live in Oklahoma, and every Christmas we always say, oh,
it would be you know, so fun if you came
out in the summer and there's just different things available,
you know, go to Cataline, know, we can go to
the Hollywood Bowl, we can do that sort of thing.
And so just a couple of weeks in advance, they
were like, hey, you guys free into July, which is
very unlike them, and so we were my brother and

(01:10):
I Dan. We were very excited and so they came
out and it was great. We went to spend a
day at Catalina and they had a good time. And
my brother's wife, her family is out here and so
we had like a get together with them and we
took them to all our favorite restaurants and it was
just an unexpected but really awesome time with the family.

(01:33):
So that was nice.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm glad you get to enjoy that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, And then you you've you've been traveling, Yeah, I did.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I did my usual Chicago stopover, as I try to
do during the summer. This one was especially packed because
there was a lot of family stuff going. But you know,
it's I was basically I was with two of my kids,
so I was at one third capacity.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Is that what's the typical load for these visits? I mean,
how many people tend to come?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Is it usually just it portions in the family or
does the whole family ever go?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
So a few years back, the whole family went and
that was challenging, sure, because that's just a lot. However,
I think at some point, probably like whenever the next
trip is, it will probably be the whole family, and
I'm kind of, you know, I'm stealing myself for that

(02:34):
because that can be challenging just getting everybody to you know,
traveling is like airport travel is not fun anyway, No, Yeah,
and then when you factor in just all the the
logistics involved, you know, it starts becoming a lot you know.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, and also the time spent. So when my parents
were out here, I'm very lucky because they're very easy going.
But I kept feeling like, Okay, we'll do this restaurant.
Maybe that gives us time to go to this Japanese garden,
and you know, like you just trying to make sure
everyone isn't bored. And like I said, I'm very lucky
because they're like, we're cool man, Like, we're just happy

(03:13):
to be out here. You don't have to worry about
that thing. If we're just gonna hang around this afternoon,
We're just gonna hang around. But I'm thinking of having
your kids and they're a bunch of different ages and
having to sort of be like, Okay, is this person
like do I need to entertain them? Are they cool
doing this thing?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Is everyone going to.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Enjoy that thing? There'd be a lot to manage well.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So I went with my first one on my third.
So they're eighteen and fourteen, so they're pretty self reliant
as far as keeping themselves entertained. Yeah, it's good, you know,
but you know, every day was busy in terms of
doing sort of tercy stuff or meeting relatives and things.
So it was very, very busy, but a lot of fun.

(03:54):
We went to the Museum of Science and Industry, which
has ended up becoming kind of an annual thing, and
this year they have a Spider Man exhibit History of
Spider Man exhbit. I think it's called beyond amazing cool.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
What was that? Like? Would they have it? Was?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It was super cool? It was like stuff that I
already know.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Sure, okay, so it's like telling the the whole history
of Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
But it was neat to just be you know, they
have costumes from the films on display, the original artwork
and stuff, and uh, it's just neat to see that stuff,
you know, totally totally and and I'm I'm pretty sure
I talked about this previously, but I want to say again.
There's there's there's uh an attraction at Navy Pier called
Flyover Chicago. Which is similar to soaring at Disneyland.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yes, Yes, which is yeah awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Yeah, And and this is I went last year with
my second and and this year specifically, I was like, oh,
I'm going to take these guys with me on that.
It's it's freaking amazing, man.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So it's it's you're in a chair suspended that kind
of thing.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, And it's like an interactive you know, sensory you know,
they have like mists and smells and stuff makes you
feel like you're flying through the.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
City of Chicago.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, You're like flying over the history of Chicago, like
over the stockyards, and you're like smells.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like pooh, I mean kind of you know, super cool.
It feels like being Superman.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
That's awesome, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
So I really enjoyed that. So that's just like my plug.
Like anybody listening who either lives there and has never been,
or you know, your happened to visit, go to Navy
Purret fly for Chicago. It is awesome, you know. And
then other than that, I watched some movies and stuff,
which I guess we'll talk about as we get into
this discussion.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, a couple of things to catch up on. I'm
excited about it.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Well, what have you seen other than that, other than
the stuff we're going to talk about?

Speaker 1 (05:50):
You gave me the perfect segue with Chicago. I will
just last night finished season four of The Bear, which
is on Hulu and and I'm sure most people at
this point are kind of aware what it's about. But
it's about this chef who returns to Chicago where his
family ran sort of like an Italian beef sandwich shop,

(06:12):
but he decides to transform it into like a high
end dining experience. And it's, you know, about all the
different personalities in this place. His family is very high
strung and combustible and a lot of tension there and
so but when they are able to work in harmony,
they create amazing things. And so season one I really loved.

(06:38):
Season two I remember liking to I remember season three
was where critics and some people were starting to be like,
maybe this show is losing its way. It's starting to
get like a little up its own butt a bit,
you know, and sort of a little pretentious, or you
know what, was season three even really about anything? And
it's just sort of loosey goosey, following its whims way

(07:00):
that it seems to be really admiring, like it's admiring itself,
but is it entertaining to watch? I actually did kind
of like season three and season four. I had read
many people saying was a bit of a return to form,
and I I think so. But I would still call
the show a little bit at this point of a
mixed bag for me. Oh wow, okay, but leaning positive

(07:24):
because I'm still always going to come back. I do
like the characters, I like the setting, I like the story,
and I want to see them succeed. But it does
like it's very funny. You don't know what you're gonna
get with each episode. Like one episode might be just
very self serious and like sort of teetering on pretentious,
you know, but then you'll get another episode that's like
really character focused and hits really hard and is so

(07:46):
emotional and satisfying and triumphant. So yeah, it's it's funny,
like you kind of it seesaws a bit you don't
know what you're gonna get with each episode, but by
the end of it, of course, I'm like, well, when's
the next season? So I mean, overall, I like it,
but it is I don't know. I mean that's what
it is. I guess that is part of their voice

(08:07):
is sometimes it's going to be a little ponderous and
sometimes it will hit and sometimes I'll be like, oh boy,
like I kind of have my hand on my phone
a little bit, but I will say I got to
call out Eben Moss backrack yeh, who will be talking
about again with fantastics to it. He plays this character
named you know, he's cousin cousin Richie. He is phenomenal.

(08:31):
Why I've loved him, He's always been interesting and then
he has kind of a character turn. I want to
say at the end of season two ish and which
is one of my favorite episodes of all time of
any television show with this character just such an incredible
character piece, and seeing where he's gone and where the

(08:55):
season four ended last night and what he was given
to do his character the performance, it's just I was like,
who who is doing anything like this right now? It's
so singular him and it's so well done and effective,
and I just want to watch this guy like I
would watch one hundred episodes of this guy. So anyway,

(09:18):
I just I had to single him out because I
just think he's so phenomenal, and I was so happy
that he was in Fantastic four because I just want
to see this guy all over the place. I just
think he's so interesting and so good. So so there
we go. The Bear, The Bear I am looking forward to.
I guess twenty twenty six there will be a season five,
So okay, I just I haven't done a Brian's like

(09:41):
reading corner in a while, and I wanted to call
out that. A little while back, I finished a book
called Project Hail Mary.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Oh Yes, and Andy Weer's new Thing.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Andy Weer he was the author of The Martian, which
was another excellent book, and it was turned into a
Ridley Scott movie starring Matt Damon, where an astronaut gets
stuck on Mars. And what was so interesting about it
is you can imagine the you know, the big budget
action movie version of that, which would be interesting. But
what's so great about that book is the main character

(10:15):
is the narrator, and he's the scientist, and it's literally
and he's very funny, he's very witty, and he's just
literally going through the math of how in the world
do I survive on Mars with this amount of oxygen?
With this amount of food with this amount of you
know whatever, and so it's you know what we talk
about sometimes where we like procedure movies or especially like

(10:38):
journalism movies, where it's about the nuts and bolts of
like right of everything, and that's that's what this author
does really well. And so like that with projectail Mary.
It's hard not to you don't want to spoil all
the fun to be had. But basically, the sun is
dying and there's a reason, and it's in the first

(11:01):
act of the movie. You know the reason, but I
won't spoil it. And so you know, Ryan Gosling finds
himself in space and oh, sorry, it's going to be
a movie with Ryan Gosling. I was literally looking at
the IMDb page for it and seeing the name Ryan Goslin.
But yeah, Ryan Goslin's going to play the lead character.
But basically, yeah, the Sun is dying. Ryan Gosling's in
space and he's got to figure out how can we

(11:23):
stop this or the Earth will become uninhabitable. And there's
just when he's out there, it's basically a one way ticket.
He's got to go so far out there. There's just
no it's not sustainable for him to get back right,
and as you see in the trailer for the movie,
so I feel like this is as far as I'll
go as spoilers. He's way way out there, probably never

(11:44):
going to see another human being again, and then he
sees another spaceship who's on it?

Speaker 2 (11:51):
You know?

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And so it's just delightful. I love this book. It
was a page turner. When it was over, I was
sad it was over. I didn't want to leave the world.
So I thought I would throw it out there as
a recommendation because I think people will enjoy reading it,
and it will probably only enhance seeing the movie version

(12:12):
of it, which is coming from Lord and Miller. Yeah right,
and starring Ryan Gosling. I think next March March twenty
twenty six. So big, high recommendation for Project Hill Mary Nice. Yeah. Yeah.
And then lastly, I watched Happy Gilmore two.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Oh, so how is this?

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I'm so curious to hear your thoughts on this.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Man, this is a weird one. Do you have any
interest in this?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I mean, I like the original. I suppose I'll get
to the sequel at some point. I'm yeah, this is
what I'll say. I didn't mind it, ok, and it
did make me laugh, but it's a weird movie. I mean,
We're Happy Gilmore one came out when I was like
fifteen years old, so I mean I am the sweet
spot with the audience for that.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Like, I still love that movie. It still makes me laugh.
And that movie feels like a movie, right, I mean,
there's just a real there's stakes, there's an arc. You know,
it doesn't linger, you know, it's it's not all about
the cameos. There are cameos, but they're all part of

(13:21):
the scene that's getting you. Something needs to be accomplished
to get to the next scene. This Happy Gilmore two
feels like a series of sketches, almost like an excuse
to stuff in as many cameos as possible. Like to me,
I thought it had like the loose, free willing energy
of a variety show where it's like, you know, so

(13:44):
it's like, all right, well Happy needs to get his
swing back, and hey, look kids, it's he's paired up
with Margaret quality eric Andre and then one of the
please Don't Destroy guys from SNL and then you wait
for audience applause to be happy to see them, and
then you spend a really long time, much longer than
that moment should be, because all those people, because they're

(14:07):
these cameos, need to spend as much time as possible
hamming it up as long as they're on screen, right,
you know, and just talking and talking and talking as
if you know, you can use some of this, right,
and they're like, no, we're using all of it, you know.
So and so it becomes like a two hour ish comedy,
which comedies, it's a little long for a comedy, And
so you start to.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Be like I kind of after this past week, I'm
gonna say, eighty five minutes is maybe the sweet spot first, Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Like ninety is one hundred minutes or something like that.
But like, so, but that doesn't mean I didn't laugh, okay, right, So,
but I just I wish they had been a little
more disciplined.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
You could have laughed more.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I bet if they had given it a little
more snap and not indulged as much as they did.
But on the other hand, maybe I'm maybe that's what
people want. Maybe they want to experience this kind of
like a variety show, like we are gonna get a
loose story, We're gonna get to spend time with Happy,
and we're gonna just throw a bunch of different cameo
cameos in each scenario, and you're gonna like kick back

(15:08):
and go, oh, I can't wait to watch this sketch
versus like a scene in a movie that feels a
little more propulsive and taught, you know, and so kind
of a mixed bag. But I will say, at the
end of the day, I did laugh. I wished it
had been a little tighter and felt more like a
film than like a hangout with these people, because maybe

(15:29):
some of it is not all of it worked for me, okay,
But then after you know, a scene that I didn't
feel very strongly about, I was laughing again. And also, interestingly,
the movie is you know, in the first movie, Happy
is a little bit of a man child and he's
got a real you know, anger issues, and that would

(15:51):
be weird to see with him in his fifties, and
I think, interestingly they've decided like, yeah, no, no, he's
a guy in his fifties and sometimes he's sad, and like,
we're gonna be okay with showing him being sad, and
you know, in the first movie he has a happy
place right where it's like this woman in lingerie holding
beer in two hands, and this year now his happy

(16:14):
place in his fifties is someone handing him a pair
of pants for him and there are size medium and
he's like oh. And then like there's like the sprinklers
and instead of a woman in lingerie, it's a nurse
and she holds up a sign that says cholesterol, and
it says good with a check mark in it, and
that's really funny. So I do think if people are

(16:36):
fans of the first one, it's not a terrible Friday
night on Netflix, Okay, right, I might.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Well, And it's a good thing it went straight to Netflix.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I was gonna say, I might be even like a
little more like oh if it had gone to theaters.
But it's not a bad hang. But I wouldn't have
minded if it had felt, like I said, just a
little tighter and more urgent and more like a movie
versus like who's gonna show up next and let's spend
some time with him. Yeah, So i'd be curious if
you check it out.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, Like I said, I may at some point, but
that's like I don't think Amana is gonna want to
watch that with me, so.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh okay, yeah, well, you know it's funny because I
feel like, now that I think about it, That's what
I'm saying is sort of like the tug of war
with the reviews I'm seeing where some people just hate
it and some people are like, oh, it was fun.
And I really do feel like I was going back
and forth as I was watching it, because if a
scene worked, I was like, oh, that was fun. And
then if a scene didn't kind of work and it

(17:31):
kept going and it was like, how many people are
you going to stuff into this? You know? Then I
was like, okay, next, next, like ready for it to
the story to continue, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
So does he get into a fight with Drew Carey
just to keep the prices right?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Oh? That would have been good, but no, there is Oh. Oh,
I do have to call out Christopher MacDonald because it
was I didn't realize how much I missed him. Shooter
mcgav Shooter mcgav and he's really fun in this movie
and you can tell he is so happy to be
there and he is h He's like one of the
best parts of the movie.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Really.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, he's great, But they do this is something too
where it's a little indulgent, but I did kind of
appreciate it. Is a lot of people have passed, you know,
since the first one, and they all get tributes, okay,
and they're totally meta, you know, and call attention to themselves.
But that's one of the facets of Sandler that I

(18:22):
actually kind of love.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Like you seen Carl Weathers and yeah, and he.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Just he seems to love his people, and he cares
about his people, and he's willing to stop the movie
a little bit to honor friends who are no longer
with him, and I kind of I appreciated that. I
thought that was nice.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well, you damn sure better honor Chubbs.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
That's right, Chubs. I love the first one. It's so good.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Well, I saw a few things, bright'll, let's hear it.
So when I was in Chicago, I saw an advanced
screening of The Bad Guys too, Okay, okay, which I
should say, by the way, I went to a press
screening for this, so this is like, you know, normally
i'd be in San Francisco, but the press screening was
when I was traveling, so I made arrangements to go
see there.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Cool and it was super weird.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Because I'm used to going into you know, there's like
the publicists who I know and you know, and this
is like everything is just slightly off. Yeah, so I
felt like I was in Shelbyville, yes, where it's like
who are you? And they have to check my name
on list? But but that was odd. But anyway, the
movie itself. Have you seen The Bad Guys the first one?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
No? No, but I remember you kind of enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I really enjoyed the first one, really enjoyed the second one. Man,
I have to say, this is an animated franchise that
I am. I am thoroughly on board with.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Really, so why is that? Why does it stand apart
like that? You know?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think so? The premise is you have a cast
of creatures who are traditionally thought of as the bad guys.
So you have the wolf and the snake and the
tarantula and the shark, right, and so you know they
essentially are like, well, since we're the bad guys, anyway,
we're gonna become a gang of criminals and they execute

(20:09):
elaborate heists Ocean's eleven style, okay, And the first film
is all about them trying to redeem themselves, and so
this one carries that story forward, and so number one,
I appreciate that it kind of carries the ball ahead
from where we left it. So there's actually a progression
of story. But beyond that, I mean, it really comes

(20:30):
down to the voice cast. You get Sam Rockwell as
mister Wolf and it's just full on channeling. George Clooney
as Danny Ocean. Yeah, and Mark Maren is the Snake.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Oh interesting, Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Right, and he's having a grand old time. And you know,
you got like Craig Robinson's Shark and Aquafina's you know,
you got a whole bunch of people. Anthony Ramos is
the Piranha.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Those are all such strong personalities, so I can imagine
their voices having tons of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
They animate very well. You know, it's just a fun
it's a fun franchise. Like I would love to see
more of these because I think it just it works
for the kids. But I'm I genuinely like, I laugh
a lot. I think it's very funny that the stories
are pretty clever. You know, it's nice nice to see
them doing doing something something with these films. You know,

(21:27):
the first one, I feel like it was like you know,
one of the first big kids franchises out of the pandemic,
you know, and I was glad to see that one
do well. I hope this one does well because I
love I mean, there's like twenty books.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
M oh I didn't know that, it's.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Like a whole children's book series, So I mean, I
would love to see them keep going with that. Okay,
other thing I saw and by that, you can read
my review in The Chronicle for Bad Guys too. And
another review I did was for Eyes of Wakanda, which
is an animated mini series that's on that's on Disney Plus,
and it's it's short, it's just four episodes, and basically

(22:06):
this is this is the type of stuff I think
Marvel should be doing more of via streaming. We could,
and we'll talk about this more later, I'm sure, but
you know, they have so so diluted their brand, you know, Yeah,
that what what what's put up on streaming needs to
be something different, something that you just wouldn't get in
a theater. And so this is Ryan Coogler, executive producer.

(22:28):
It's an animated series that looks at basically famous historical
and mythological events through the eyes of Wakandan agents out
in the world.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So basically, like you know, in Wakanda, you have oh
this is an MC you thing. I don't know if
I just I don't know if I bury the lead here.
So you know, we know we know the door of
the lage a. Right, they're the bodyguards, you know, Toni career, etcetera. Well,
there's also in in addition to them, and in Wakanda
there's the war dogs, okay, and these are the spies, right.

(23:04):
So like Killmonger's dad played by Stralian K. Brown, he's
a war dog, okay, right, and and what's his name,
Forest Whitaker, you know. And basically they're tasked with going
on to the world, preserving Wakanda's secrets and retrieving Wakandan technology, okay.

(23:26):
And so for example, you have one episode where it's
about the Trojan war hm hm and you realize how
there was a Wakandan agent in the middle of it.
Oh that's fun, right, yeah, And that's that type of
stuff I love.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, me too, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
And so it's literally each episode is just this vignette
throughout history, going from like twelve hundred BC to like
the nineteenth century you know, and you just see all
the ways that that they've been interspersed throughout history.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I love, actually, I really love that stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So yeah, and the great thing about I mean, each
episode is short, is just half an hour, huh. And
and honestly that's kind of it. That's like the cool thing, like, oh,
it is so short. But it's also by the time
it's done, you're like, oh, well, geez, that's it. Yeah. Yeah,
but but it's the animation is really this kind of fascinating,
you know, painterly style, you know, really well done. And

(24:24):
it was just a very pleasant surprise for me. So
I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
That's great, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
And if you like the whole Black Panther mythology, this
one is it like it it ends in a way
that like recontextualizes stuff from the first movie. Oh okay,
in a neat way.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
So I yeah, I really enjoyed this great.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I wasn't even aware of it, so I'm glad you
brought it up.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, yeah, if you check it out, I'd love to
hear it. And then and you can read my review
for that in the paper. And then also, I just
watched a movie that's as we're recording this, it's hit theaters.
No Freaky or Friday. Yeah, yeah, the twenty two years
later sequel to Freaky Friday. Wow?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
How of that going around? Really?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Like, I suspect this one is going to clean up
because there's gonna be a lot of now grown moms
who wanted who saw this, you know, and the original
when they were preteens and teens and well, you know,
just as an aside, I sure hope. So because when
I first heard about this, I assumed it would be
a Disney Plus movie like.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Home Alone nine or whatever they.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Made pocus Pocus even was that?

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Did that go straight to Disney Plus? Yeah? Yeah, which
was stupid.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
They left money on the table.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's what I'm saying, Like, I love, like, take a chance,
put it out there, and then you know, yeah, like
you said, watch it clean up, because it probably will.
And so I I like what you said about ISAA Waconda,
Like there's certain stuff that's just going to thrive and
be the perfect place on streaming. And of course, you
know have your occasional movies. I mean, frankly Happy Gillmore
to fit a little bit better on there, I think,

(26:05):
But yeah, give this stuff a shot. I'm really happy
that it's it's going to be in theaters.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, And I'll say, I mean, like, I think.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I think the movie will give you what's on the tin. Sure, sure,
I you know, I don't think there's anything particularly or
chattering here, but I don't know that that's any what
anyone's expecting.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Really, Can I ask you a question, you may I
saw the trailer.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Is it confusing to have so many people swapping bodies?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Okay it So what Brian is referring to is that,
whereas before you had Jamie Lee Curtis as the mom
swaped minds with or bodies whatever, with Lindsay Lohan as
her daughter, now we have we have Jamie Lee Curtis
as grandma, Lindsay Lowen is mom, and then we have

(27:02):
Lindsay Lohan's daughter.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Played by Julia Butters from Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood is Wild. She's yeah, yeah, they grew up so crazy. Yeah,
and she was terrific in that movie, by the way.
And then we also have her future stepsister, Kay played
by Sophia Hammond's So that's four people, and obviously as

(27:25):
an older person I'm like, I'm more interested in what
the original characters are up to. Sure, Sure, And it
was a little bit like, wait, so this is so
and so this you know, and you're doing long division
trying to figure out who went where you know.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Well, and it's so fun and like perfect when you
have the frazzled mom who has, you know, older person
problems and you have the teenage girl who has sort
of like a younger perspective, and so seeing the younger
person in an older body fun and easy two clock
and vice first, right, like seeing the older person, you know,

(28:02):
seeing a teenager be like now you should be home
by this time, like you can. That's understandable and fun
to see. But there was so many characters and I
don't know how different their personalities will feel. So I
wondered if it was harder to track who was in
which body.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
And yeah, I would say the movie does an okay
job of giving giving the characters enough of a you know,
a runway before the Switcherusiananigan's happened, so you're somewhat able
to follow it, but it's all. There was definitely points
where because you have future stepsister is swapped with Jamie

(28:37):
Lee Curtis, and so it's a lot of it. I'm
so old. Look at these crows feet, and my skin
is shriveling away, and you know, and I peed in
my pants and I need depends. And at some point
I was like, guys, like, go easy, right, right, you know,

(28:58):
I'm like, I mean, I'm I'm Jamie Lee Curtis said
the words. So I'm assuming she was okay with it,
but I don't know, it might hurt my feelings after
a while.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, this is what someone like you, your age is like. Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
And then and the other thought that I had was
the step sister is English.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Okay, okay, okay, So she.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Swaps with Jamielee Curtis. But Jamie Lee Curtis in future
stepsister's body is still speaking with a British accent. And
so now this is where my brain starts going into overdrive.
I'm like, wait a minute, does your accent stay with
your body?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
See that's funny because I was thinking, oh, that's a
great little detail for me to be able to keep track.
This person has an accent, this person is old, this
person is young. But so that doesn't even.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Yeah, like I I mean, just as a matter of science.
I think that the accent resides in the.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Mind, right right, right right? Not not yeah the hardware.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Now, granted, like what am I doing trying to find
logic in this? But I'm also like, that would have
been a funny runner where you've got Jamie Lee Curtis
in the body of the British girl and so she
has to like try to do a British accent and
she's bad at it. Like that would be funny, totally,
totally right.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yes, that's a great idea.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, you know, so that's this is where my and
again I'm like, okay, so we're at four switches with
Freaky Friday twenty three two years later. So in twenty
forty seven, when we do Freakiest Friday, it's gonna be
like eighteen people, and you know, when.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
It's like a family reunion, you're like.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh, yeah, it'll be sixteen people. You know, it's just
a hilarity ensues. Is the movie good? I would say
it's good enough to accomplish what it needs to. I
took an eye as she's eight, So she just watched
the original with my wife last week and I was like,

(30:57):
what do you think she's like it was good. It's
the same thing, really savvy in that exact tone, And
I'm like, you know that's about right, Sure, sure, you know,
but I think it will be something absolutely that moms
and daughters love bonding with each other. I think it'll
be fun for them. I think the moms will enjoy

(31:18):
it more than the daughters. Sure, sure, you know. Great.
You know you know Mark Harmon is back. You know
he played you know, Jamie Lee Curtis. Mary's his character
in the original film. So he's still married to I thinkfully,
And I was like, man, that original movie came out
like before ncis Wow. So that was twenty one seasons

(31:42):
of ncis ago.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah wow wow. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
The other thing, by the way, and this is just
stuff I realized as I was doing research, is that
the the original original movie, the nineteen seventy six movie
A Freaking Friday, which stars Jody Foster, that technically exists
in the same universe as these movies. Oh really, Yeah,

(32:10):
because because you have Mark McClure in the original as
like a love interest character, who he's in the three
one as the same character.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Oh see, I don't even remember that.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's just like a cameo okay, and I was like, well,
see this is we got to like multi verse this
ship up.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah, I mean as well, right, you.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Want to get really freaky, you get Jody Foster in there. Yeah, yeah,
totally you know what that and there's like a twenty
sixteen or sorry, a nineteen ninety six one with with
with Shelley Long. We should we should have we should
have freakied that one in too.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well that's if this one succeeds that you go in
and pitch that for the There you go, we needed
the post credit scene. Yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know, Shelley Long's door rings and she's like it's
time or something like that.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, I was thinking, it's like raining outside and Jody
Foster's there. It's like it's happening.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Jody Foster her with like a shotgun, She's like let's go.
Yeah right, and then Shelley Long grabs her purse or something. Anyway,
so yeah, that's freaky or Friday.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I remember Lindsay Lowan about the first one that she
was like in a band? Does she still do music
in this one?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Just curious? Well, as it happens, Brian, I'm glad you
asked that question. That's a central element of the plot
where she has left behind a rock star life and
you know it feels like an untended sore and that
she wishes she hadn't there you go. Great band was
called Pink Slip. Yes, that's right, that's right, Lindsay Low.

(33:38):
And I should say, she is really good in this,
and it's so good to see her be good in
this good good yeah. And I hope, you know, I
hope this is the first step on her doing you know,
stuff that's that's more respectable again, you.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Know, absolutely. I mean she's one of those people where
she was like a tabloid darling, right, like everybody just
loves to do all these pictures of her, you know,
wild partying, partying and things like that, and you know,
I'm sure she made certain choices, but she also was
a star in a time where it seemed like the
world wanted these people to crash and burn.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
That's that's my exact though, you know, I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Really yeah, they were pushing these people absolutely hundred percent.
And she was sexualized at a very young age, absolutely,
and it's really effed up. Yes, yes, so it's it
makes me happy that she came out the other side
of that, and hopefully she can continue to do what
she does well now in a world that will hopefully
treat her a little better.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
One of hope.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
The other thing I wanted to mention is is the
love interest. So so Lindsay Loan's character is engaged in
this movie to a guy played by Manny Jacinto. Hmmm,
and this man, I I was so charmed by him
in this. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
He's in the good place, right, A good.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Place, that's right. He was also in in he was
in The Acolyte last year. Okay, uh and and you
know he was like a cit bad like sit adjacent character, you.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Know, oh interesting, He's so he's so charming and funny
in the good place.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
This guy needs to be in more stuff. I mean honestly, like,
I put put him in some I don't care if
it's a rom com or a romantic drama.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
He's got the goods. Yeah, yeah, oh good, well good.
I'm glad this is a good showcase for him.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, yeah, it really is.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
And you think about all the things that are out
right now, it's so varied in a really exciting way.
I mean, Naked Gun, Fantastic four Weapons is opening tonight,
you got this freaky, freakier Friday. Like, you know, it
feels like we're healing right.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
One one hopes, yeah, one certainly hopes. Yeah. And oh
oh here, I can't believe I almost forgot to mention this.
I saw, Brian, I saw a movie. Yeah, I saw
a movie. Let me just okay, this this is one

(35:59):
for the ages. This is I don't know if you've
heard of this. It's called War of the Worlds. It's
a remake of War of the Worlds.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Okay, yes, I've heard of this. I was shocked that
there was going to be a new War of the Worlds.
And then I was more shocked when I saw some
footage from it and realized, oh, oh, that's what this is.
So but I haven't read any of the articles. I
don't really know any anything more about it than the

(36:27):
stuff that's kind of going viral on Instagram and stuff.
So please fill me in.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
This is very funny, because yeah, I saw it. It
dropped last week or whatever on Amazon. I think it escaped,
you know, and I was up late and I was
just fumbling around on my phone and I just like
it would never even cross my radar. It's just like,
I happened to look at my Amazon in my Prime

(36:51):
video app, which I'd like never look at, and it
was right there, and it's like an hour and a half.
I was like, eh, you know, this is interesting.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
A new take on War of the World's all right,
starring ice Cube?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, which you know, look I like ice Cube, Not
sure not somebody I would necessarily think of in this context.
But I was like, all right, let's check it out.
And so this is this is a it's it's called
screen life. That's like the genre, yes, which I didn't
even know that that was a thing like that that

(37:24):
it has a label.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, like the John Chow movie, Yeah, Searching, Searching, which
is very good, by the way. It's uh, he plays
a father and I think his his daughter I believe,
goes missing, and it's about him trying to figure out
what happened. But the whole movie, you're basically looking at
a computer screen. So all the different ways that he

(37:48):
can communicate with people through FaceTime or then is a
Google search, and then there's maybe I can tap into
this and look at a security camera to see when
it was the last time she was in this location.
And it's kind of genius, like you never leave a
computer screen and they're able to tell an entire and
affecting story. And yeah, I guess it's called screen life.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
So so Searching is produced by Teamer bech menber bech
mem betf.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yep, yep, wanted.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
He did Wanting. I think he also did the Ben
hur remake. I think, right, I forgot about that. I
feel like, right, that wasn't that him? I think that
was him?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it feels right that, Yeah, that he also did.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
He also did a movie which I do like, called
Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I should say, oh, yeah, did he direct that?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
He directed that?

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, kudos, that is a that is a fun movie.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
That is a fun one. Anyway, So he did Searching,
he did Unfriended, So I guess he kind of pioneered
screen life. Okay, So I admire the desire to expand
the boundaries of this format, m I I can I
can appreciate that. Yeah, I would say, maybe, uh, War
of the worlds illustrates the limits of this format. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

(39:03):
so sorry, wrap the bat.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
I'm like, that'd be interesting to see it from the
point of view of someone in a newsroom, right, maybe,
but that's not that's not the same thing.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, so so so I think contextually the film was
shot in twenty twenty, so peak COVID time, right, and
and I think the instinct is, hey, I mean again,
I like I want to give credit to like, hey,
let's let's do something a little funky.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
You know, this is coming into focus now, the more
you say, okay, right, okay.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Like I can totally appreciate that. I think this thing
is such a mess, uh structurally that the format is
like the eighth bad thing about it, you know what
I mean? Okay, because so so ice Cube plays like
the head of homeland security or something like that. Like

(39:52):
he's pretty high up there, and it's so weird because
like he's like all by himself. He's just staring into
a screen, and I'm like, I don't know, there be
more people in homeland security.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
You know, right right right?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And you know it's like the movie starts and he's
like using his position to to like spy on what
his daughter is doing, and like he hacks her her
like Wi Fi fridge thing so he can see like
why don't you have this type of food or whatever?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Okay, and then like, oh, like he see his son
has downloaded a video game and he hacks into his
computer and like deletes the game from his computer. Stuff
like that. Wow, this and it's like it's like a
bad guy.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Uh.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
And it's just it's very ice cube. That's the thing.
Like you can hear it in your in your.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Head, Yeah, I can hear it.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
That's that's what what you hear. That's what's the movie,
you know. Yeah, okay, And so then uh, Meteor's hit
Earth and we see all this through like he's like
looking at his zoom screen and then he's like pulling up,
you know, a news video and stuff like it's all
as if looking at a screen, you know. And and
then and we find out that there's aliens. I mean,

(41:06):
this is War of the World's I'm not it's War
of the worlds that okay, look up. The story of
War the World is basically that the twist in this
is that the aliens are hungry for our data, okay,
and so they are devouring our data and so like
our data is getting deleted because the aliens are eating
our data.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Wait, waitit like they want to absorb our data or
like they just want to destroy it, like eat like
consume it. They're like they want to learn or they
want to just eat it. Yes, I was picturing like
Johnny five going through the book like no no, no, no, no, no,
no input like it. I guess that's what I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
It doesn't make any sense in a variety of ways
because it's treating data like it's like it's a finite resource.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
So the more data they eat, like then we lose
like information like if we have this way.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
There is a scene where ice Cube because his his
wife is dead by the way, okay, so we should
He's not a sociopath over overbearing parent. He's just a
concerned dad because he lost his wife. So he's like
looking at her Facebook page and like it gets deleted

(42:30):
because the aliens have eaten the data.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
And he's like fuck, Like he's like so mad, right.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
And I'm like, I'm like, I don't think it works
that way.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
I don't know. I don't understand. I mean, if they
like blew up the server, that's one thing.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
But yeah, so then so they ate they ate her
Facebook page, okay, and now bear in my He's like
I gotta get out of here. And he tries to leave,
but it's locked, so he just stays there, like in
the building the whole time. Okay, and oh there's a
at one point like his daughter's like, dad, help me.
She facetimes him and he he like hacks Tesla's self

(43:10):
driving thing and sends it to her. I'm like, this
guy can do everything.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Just sit, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'm like, this is terrifying that one man has as
much power. Yeah, right, And and there's like it's it's
like gratuitous Amazon product placement. So okay, so yeah, I've
heard this, yeah, because it's like, wait, the aliens can
can find out what's in your Amazon shopping cart, you know,
the aliens can see what's in your shopping history.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Like they say that a lot. Really Yeah, it's very funny,
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And then and then so so there's like so much
so so Eva Longoria is in here, Clark Gregg's in here.
It's a bunch of people. The president is played by
that guy who does the impressions. I forget his name.
He does really good impressions and he's saying through I
there's lots of people does impressions, but yeah, I forget
the guy's he was in that Fresh Prince episode where

(44:02):
he's the professor. He's like the cool professor that will
tries to get into his class.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
I do remember that, oh uh, Jim.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Escumen, Jim yeah, oh yeah yeah. And it's really funny
because because he, like ice Cube, has a like a
FaceTime meeting with the President, and you think it would
be in the situation room, but it's like in the
Oval office. So it's clearly like a like a zoom
background of the the the Oval room, you know, right

(44:32):
right right, you know. Anyway, so so oh god, oh
so the girlfriend sorry, the daughter's boyfriend is an Amazon
delivery driver.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
So of course, of course, so.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
The climax, the climax of the movie is that the
the oh this is the sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I'm like, I want to hear it all, Zach.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
So the Sun there is like this mysterious hacker who's like,
I'm going to expose what the government is doing. It
turns out that's ice cube son, okay. And and he
finds out because ice Cube plays one of his videos
and then he runs it through like the voice you know,
modulea Tron two thousand, yeah, yeah, and modulate his voice.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
He's like that's my son, and it's like, well, you've
had that thing that just occurred to you to do
that right, right, right right? So anyway, so son, it
comes up with a virus, and daughter is like a scientist,
so she comes up. I've So they come up with
a virus. It's like a cannibalizing virus. But they have
to upload it into the the server or whatever that'll

(45:40):
it's this is like the entity and mission impossible.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, okay, okay, like Independence Day, like they're going to
give it a cold.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
There basically okay, okay, but the problem is, you know,
I was thinking tangent. I remember like twenty two years ago,
twenty three years ago, we watched Signs. We're like, man,
this is like the next evolution of like an alien
invasion movie. Yeah, and it's like twenty three years later,
we're here.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
It's just like the de evolution of They just the
aliens just ate Google Maps. I can't find you.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
That's kind of what it is. So yeah, yeah, so
they up. Now, bear in mind, the aliens have only
eaten Meta, not Google, because they these guys, they're able
to upload a video onto YouTube explaining like what's going on.
You know, they haven't made their way to Google branded
products yet anyway, so they got to upload the virus.
But how do we do that? Well, you need a

(46:34):
thumb drive, and ice Cube's like, I can't have a
thumb drive in here, you know, it's like a secure facility.
I'm like, dude, you're doing everything in there.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
That's like right, right right.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
And so the solution is is Boyfriend is like, wait,
I'm a delivery driver. I can drone a thumb drive.
I can fly a thumb drive to you via drone.
And so we watch ice Cube order a thumb drive
on Amazon. He makes the purchase so that it can

(47:07):
go through so that the drone can then fly.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Dude, if it went through the you know, the pay options,
it's like, I would like to use my Discovery exactly.
Like it's just all the details of ordering off of it.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, and then and so the drone is going and
then oh and it like it. It falls, it like it,
it gets hit by it falls, and so they they
they offer a homeless man, they give him a thousand
dollars Amazon gift card. So then no, yeah, so that

(47:42):
he'll turn it over and he'll fly again.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Give Amazon gift cards. Yeah, okay, so this was like
some Amazon marketers brilliant.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Idea basically, right, and then and then anyway, it gets
to the They get the drone to him and and
I t is your Cube. Sorry, I don't want to
drag ice Tea into this. That man is doing the
Lord's work on.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
SVU every week. Right, ice Cube.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Gets the drone and the thing and the aliens, and
the aliens are defeated. And then and then basically he
sends a message to everybody. He's like, Hey, I've quit
the government. Now I'm going to become a hacker with
my son, and I'm gonna be watching you what.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah, why because the.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Government knew about it the whole time. That was the thing.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Oh, he's gonna be watching the government.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
He's gonna be watching the government, not the aliens, because
the government knew about it, but they wanted to keep
knowing because they were like the more data the government gathered,
the more tempting it was to the aliens. But they
didn't care because they want to see what's in people's
Amazon carts. Oh it's like a metaphor, I guess.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
So it sounds is it worth it? I mean, this
kind of sounds fun or is it not fun enough?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, I would say it is an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, so that's you know, like the Room or something
that you watch like knowing what's getting.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Honestly, it is bad to that degree. So I mean
that there is a certain amount of fun to be had.
I absolutely, I absolutely see this thing becoming like a
cult favorite. Okay, okay, but I mean it's it to
me illustrates just like, look, there's a limit to every

(49:29):
creative you know, choice in terms of how you choose
to tell stories. You know, it's kind of like like
I got I was so done with found footage movies.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
If I you know, if I never see another screen life,
I'll be good.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we Well searching is legitimately good.
I would recommend searching. I think it's really affecting, Like
it's it gets emotional and it's thrilling. It's really the
best like execution of that concept. But what else can
you do?

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Right?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
They did it.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Well, And that's the thing. I appreciate the thinking of,
like can we find a way to tell this type
of story this way? And again you appreciate, Look, it's
pandemic time and you're trying to find new ways to
do stuff. Everybody, if you remember back then, everybody remember SNL.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they're pandemic episodes. So I appreciate

(50:26):
the just taking a swing.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, And what you mean by that is that everybody
had to you know, shelter in place, stay in their
own homes, and so for SNL they were doing sketches
out of their own living rooms. Yeah, and broadcasting though,
So yeah, I can kind of see that if this
was conceived and like, hey man, let's let's make something
yeah in twenty twenty where we have to be isolated
a screen life movie sounds perfect.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, but it.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Sounds like, I mean when you have it being like
basically an Amazon commercial and you know, I still don't
understand how the aliens are eating data, you know, like, yeah,
maybe not like the the Worst War the World's screen
life movie. Still to me, I'm like, I can picture
a version of that that's possibly good or has potential

(51:11):
at least, but it just sounds like a lot of
bad decisions story wise with this.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, I think I can't. You know, maybe you can
find a way to work around limitations. This does not
do that. It's there's the one. It's like because they're
eating the data and then suddenly airplanes are crashing and
it says airplanes. I'm misremembering maybe, but it says planes,
airplanes are falling to their deaths like a news It's

(51:41):
like like like a caption like airplanes are falling to
their deaths.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Okay, I have to this either sounds like a project
made by eighth graders for an AV class, you know
what I mean. It's like, yeah, like the aliens are
like eating daddy, what do you get? You know, that
kind of thing. And then so imy like you're all right,
the news headline, all right, take it, Jeff, planes faull
to their death? Hey, you know? Or it sounds like AI,
Like if Amazon was trying to develop some sort of AI.

(52:09):
You could see him being like, hey, you guess what
you know? You didn't realize this thing was written by AI.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, so that's that's what that is. Wow, that sounds.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I don't know if I will get to that point
that I put this on, but I am a little
tempted by what you're describing.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Watch it on Amazon Prime or don't.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Watch it on Amazon? How can we turn this into
an Amazon commerce. You know what you need to do.
You need to go on Amazon and order yourself some
microwavable popcorn.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Have a drone flight to your door. Yeah, and you'll
be in good shape. Hey, we have a whole bunch
of mail that's accumulated over the last several weeks. Oh,
why don't we dive into the old mail bag? Eighteen
thousands all addressed.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
You've got me.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
All right, look at it. So here's a note I
got from Joshua Polonski on a blue sky. Okay, and
he says, funny story, Mike, Brian, you're gonna this is
This is really bananas.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
He says.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
My car doesn't have AC and since I live in Michigan,
I just put up with it for the two hot
months of the year instead of getting it fixed. That
means I have to drive with my windows down. A
few days ago, it was hot and I was on
my way back from Meyer. You know, you know Meyer,
I do. That's grocery, right, It's a very Midwest reference,
which I love.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Uh, And I pull up to a stoplight. I hear
two voices laughing. That sounds very familiar. It takes me
a minute to realize the car in the turn lane
to my right is playing something through their stereo and
also has their windows down, and it takes me another
minute to realize it was you and Brian.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Wow, so bizarre.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I wanted to signal to the other driver somehow that
I'm also a movie film listener. I thought briefly about
humming the intro tune, but I knew that would only
confuse him further. I decided it ain't no Magnificent Amberson's.
We both laughed and then went our own ways.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I wish this is where it would be good if
this is a video podcast, because my face like disbelief
and joy, in utter astonishment. I can't believe that.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Wow, that's amazing, And that they happened to pull up
next to each other in the wild like that, Hello
do you both?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, that's that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
That is amazing, And then that the Amberson's has become
such like a catchphase. Actually, my friend Jason Thorwall, who listens,
we were just talking about something the other day and
he's like, well, it's no Magnificent Emberson's just over text.
I was like, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, thank you for that. John, thank you very much. Seriously,
that's just.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
That makes my year. That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Right. Here's a note I got from Kelly Boucher, who
emailed us at a movie on podcast at dot com. Say, hey, guys,
I loved your comments on Saturday morning cartoons. This was
in our previous discussion. As an eighties nineties kid, I
think we were talking about Smurfs. Think, oh that's right.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I didn't watch it.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yes, that's right. As an eighties slash nineties kid, my
Saturday Morning path was a yearly ritual to optimize my
precious Saturday mornings for another season. This is so funny.
I relate so much as that there's always a challenge
to decide which cartoons to watch and which ones to miss.
Some of my non negotiables were Teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtles,
The Real Ghostbusters, Garfield and Friends, and definitely Tiny Tunes.

(55:59):
I remember my friends being very polarized on Tiny Tuns.
I loved it for the same reasons you did. Hey,
I get that reference. I guess some of my fellow
ten year olds didn't know who Humphrey Bogart was weird? Right?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Why did we? Zachy? I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
That is a good, great question, and I don't have
an answer. Uh, he goes on. Plus, tiny tunes left
an indelible mark on our society forever. Everyone knows the
answer to this question. What are we going to do today? Brain?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
What was that tiny tuns? Or is that anemeniacs?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Well, that was animaniacs. But you don't get animaniacs with that, right, right, right, right,
So transitive property is an effect. Finally, I felt the
same way about The Littles.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Right, we didn't Nobody liked the Littles.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Nobody liked the one.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Prove me, prove me wrong.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I would watch it because in my area it was
the last cartoon chance. Yeah, because because by then nobody
was watching. They're like, whatever, yeah, shove this out the door.
We got we got thirteen of these, we got to
burn off.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah. Then we have an NBA inside jam or whatever
it's called, with a modern shod coming up. Right.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
That was after inside stuff, Inside stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
The other channels had already moved on to gardening or sports,
like you just said. Right, But I never loved the Littles,
and I couldn't put my finger on why. Maybe because
I knew Saturday Morning was over and I had to
get through another week of school.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Yeah, I love the podcast. Keep it up, Thanks Kelly,
Thank you, Kelly.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
That was great. That was a little fly. I was
feeling things. I was remembering that feeling of the excitement
of navigating, like, Okay, it's beginning, so i hop over
to a channel too, and then I'm gonna go to NBC,
and then I go back to two, and then I
go to Fox and then and then yeah, that's sort
of Oh, I guess I got to start my Saturday
when the Littles are on. That's great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
They used to show that in Sadi Arabia when I
was when I was growing up. So the way it
was in Saudi Arabia is like every night, every week night,
there would be an hour of cartoons. Okay, so you
would have for about forty minutes, you would have like shorts,
so like Looney Tunes and you know wood Wood, you

(58:07):
would packer stuff like that exactly, And that was for
about forty minutes, and then there would be the twenty
minute like long cartoon, and that long cartoon would air
every every weeknight until there were no more episodes.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Okay, right.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So you know, if there was twenty six episodes of
a show that you'd get that, you'd be you'd get
that for three months or whatever it was, right, So
usually these things would cycle through, and inevitably when The
Littles came back, that was like, oh damn it. And
you would never know that was the other thing. It
was just you would you would watch and then the

(58:43):
show would start and either the show you like would
continue airing or it was done. It would be a
new thing, and so you know the Littles that was
that was a sign of Okay, well, I guess I'm
not watching cartoons for a little while.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
I was gonna say, is it like that moment and
the sims when Itchy and Scratchy go nice? So all
the kids are like, huh, I guess I'll go outside
and then I mean kind of slowly everyone exits, you know,
and like sort of oh, the winces from the sun.
But then picks up a jump rope and a scooter
and that's basically what it was.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Like, Yeah, yeah, hey, here's a note we got from
David from Melbourne.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Low to Australia.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
I know, right, he says, I would just like to
say how much I enjoyed your commentary on Superman Returns.
I am from Australia and I'm also a Superman comic
book fan, but almost exclusively from the nineteen eighties to
the early nineties. I'm also in my mid forties with
two kids, perhaps because of work and parental duties. I
still enjoyed delving back into these comics from that period,
partly due to nostalgia, but also because of the simple

(59:45):
joy of the great storylines and artwork of the time.
My brother worked on Superman Returns, and by all accounts,
Brandon Routh was an extremely nice man.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
That's nice good.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I also heard firsthand about Kevin Spacey's behavior as well
as Brian Singers on the project.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Wow, yikes, yikes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I like yourselves, was fairly disappointed in the movie, despite
being invested for several reasons, including loving the character and
also because my brother worked on the film. We had
Superman one and two on VHS and along with Star
Wars and James Bond, played them on repeat. You really
articulated and crystallized the reasons why this was somewhat of
a letdown. Although I can revisit it occasionally and enjoy

(01:00:24):
certain moments. I am from Sydney and there was quite
a buzz about all these movies being filmed here, as
was the style.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Of the time. It was because it was Star Wars,
the Matrix this it was like a real bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Hopefully the new movie can capture the spirit of the character,
which hasn't really been achieved since Christopher Reeve took the role.
Love your podcast and love the sincerity without the meanness.
Keep up the good work. David from Melbourg, Thank you, David.
That was very nice.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I appreciate that account too. That's really Uh. It's exciting,
isn't it when you have either you're involved or you
know someone who's involved with a film and you feel
kind of tied with it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah, well I I feel a little bit, you know,
because when when we were growing up, there was a
lot of big movies that shot in Chicago, and you
know when I went to when I was going to Columbia,
that was you know, they they were shooting Road to
Perdition and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
You know, I drove That's fun to see how they
had done was a Geneva where they did that Saint
Charles something like that. But I remember driving over there
because it was so exciting to see the lights and
the old cars, and it was really special.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Here's a note we got from Philip Barker. This is
also in regards to our our review of Superman the
New Superman Okay, which is doing pretty well. By the
way I've been, It's been gratifying to see it hold
up very well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah. Well, it's uh outperformed Jurassic Park like it's gonna
be one of the higher movies of the summer, right, Yeah.
I think Leland Stitch, you know, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Think, well, Leland Stitch is gonna be tops, I think
for the summer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
But but doing okay, I think more so domestically than internationally.
Seems like yeah, yeah, but holding its own, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
I'm glad, uh So.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Phillip says after listening to a review of James gunn Superman,
I wanted to write you guys a heartfelt response. First
of all, it makes me happy knowing you two love
the movie. I say that as someone who frankly wasn't
a big fan of much of it, and that largely
has to do with the James gun factor of it all.
The tempo, tone and execution of the film just wasn't
my speed. That said, if there was something I took

(01:02:27):
away from the film at all, and especially after you
guys talked so highly of it, was that it worked
for so many other people and it gave something to
be joyous about in twenty twenty five. Of the things
I'll say worked for me, I will say that the
cast largely did exactly what was asked, and Rachel Brosnahan
and Eddie Kethegi were true standouts. Mister Terrific deserves his
own solo project after this film. Meanwhile, I wasn't too

(01:02:48):
favorable of Nicholas Holt as Lex Luthor for a variety
of reasons. He is a great actor, but the performances
in writing left a lot to be desired. I say
all of this as someone who likes quite a few
different versions of Superman. Maybe my bar's a little too high,
but I still think there hasn't been a truly great
Superman lex dynamic on film that rivals that of Clancy
Brown as Lex and Tim Daley slash George Newbern as Superman.

(01:03:12):
That's in the animated versions. Because to me, and I
would agree with Philip there actually to me, that is
not only my favorite interpretation of that rivalry, but the
best executed. It might be a little unfair to compare
live action to animation, but more often than not, some
people would go as far as to say that Batman
Mask of the Phantasm is the best Batman film ever made.

(01:03:35):
Philip goes on for a little bit, but he ends
by saying, as a nearly decade long listener, I appreciate
and value this podcast in more ways than I can count.
Looking forward to you, guys thoughts on the Fantastic four
First Steps as well as the Naked Gun sequel, among
many many more films to come. Thank you for being
genuine and honest in your musings, gentlemen. Apologies for the
long winded email, but I'd been meaning to send one

(01:03:56):
for a while and this seemed like a great opportunity
to do. So much love take care.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I love it. I really appreciate you know, Thank you, Philip,
and thank you for taking the time to articulate, you know,
sort of. We had one one take and set of
feelings on it, and it's really interesting and nice hearing
a counterpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
You know, yeah, and I think look, you know, Phil
is coming at it as a fan of the Snyder verse,
and look, I mean that that whole journey has been
pretty pretty you know, emotionally fraught for the people who
were invested in it totally, you know, whether people liked

(01:04:38):
what he was doing, or whether people liked what Zack
Snyder was doing with those films or not. I mean,
I think we have to sort of assume good faith
that everybody wanted a good portrayal of Superman or version
that would would stand the test of time. And the
fact that it ended the way it did for Henry

(01:04:58):
cavill and fairly ignominious fashion sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah, definitely, you know, it just does. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
And then here is one last note we're talking about
Superman is from Dan Keatis, who says, I hope you're
enjoying the end of term. You don't mind reaching mind
my reaching out to you. I haven't seen Superman twenty
five yet, but I'm currently listening to your Superman episode.
He says, I tend to listen right up to the
future presentation part. See, that's helpful, Brian, having the you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Having the demarcation in there. Yeah, I'm glad we have that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, I listen right up to the future presentation part
if you're discussing a film I haven't seen, but intendency
as a longtime fan of the show and a former
Twitter mutual before I left the Bad Place, and it
is very much the bad place. I know what a
colossal Superman fan you are and hoped that it would
be okay for me to share this video essay I
made with you. This video is a defense of Zack

(01:05:55):
Snyder's take on the character, on which, as I recall
your mixed to positive more positive than mixed, and why
his interpretation is perhaps more timely now than when the
films were released. I don't know how well the themes
are reflected in Superman twenty five because as I haven't
seen it yet, but as a huge Superman fan whose
opinion I respect a great deal, I'd really appreciate it
if you could take a look at the link below.

(01:06:17):
And I did have a chance to watch dance video
and I thought it was really terrific. So this will
be on our Facebook page under the link for this episode.
So I hope people will check out his video after
hearing this letter.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Great, yeah, I know I will.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
With that we got well, we got we got two
big releases. I figured we can just dive into those, right, Brian, Yeah, yeah,
but but before we do that, I did want to
take a moment before too much time it passed to
mark the passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
I'm glad, I'm glad you're bringing this up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yeah, man, talk about like we get a lot of
these obviously, right, Yeah, this one was a real kick
in the stomach.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Just an absolute shock, and especially for people our age,
Like we grew up with him playing THEO Huxtable and
he had that rare thing which was totally from him,
where you know, sometimes you get like a teenage character
on a TV show and they're braddy, or they're too hammy,

(01:07:26):
or they're a little insufferable or whatever. Like THEO is
a guy you wanted to be friends with. Like he
was goofy, but relatively goofy, and he was fun and
funny and made mistakes but like learned from his mistakes
and was sincere and like he was just an incredible
character brought to life by Malcolm Jamal Warner. And it
really really broke my heart seeing this news.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
So he was he was fifty four. I think he
was just shy of his fifty fifth birthday. Yeah, he
drowned off the off of Costa Rica.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I think there's like a riptide or something
he got.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
That's like my nightmare, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Uh And and you know worth mentioning that, you know,
in the in the decades since the Cosby Show ended,
he had he had never stopped working. He was remarkable.
You know. He was on a show called Malcolm and
Eddie with Eddie Griffin on UPN. He was on I
think it was on Girlfriends. I think he was on
a terrific show about twenty plus years ago called Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
I remember that, Yeah, I remember you being a fan
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
I was a big fan. It's a sci fi show
where it's like there was there was something called The
Big Death where everybody over like thirty died and so
like the next this was about like a decade after
when all the remaining kids are now adults and they
have to rebuild the world, you know. And it starred
Luke Perry and Malcolm Jamal Warner, and now both of

(01:08:55):
those actors are gone. Wow, And there's just something about
that that hits you know. Yeah. Yeah. He had just
recently been on a medical show called The Resident. He
has never stopped working and and everything year about him
is just a decent guy. You know. I saw I
saw a post from Keisha Knight pull him, who played
Rudy Huxtable, you know, just talking about how her brother

(01:09:16):
is gone, you know. And and yeah, I mean that
Cosby Cosby show legacy is obviously forever tainted. Yep. And
it's a damn shame because like, there was so much
good work done on that show by so many people.
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
It's funny. It's like I almost don't want to invoke
that guy. But at the same time, it is such
a tragedy that this show isn't airing in reruns all
over the place right now, you know, because it should
be like I Love Lucy or any of those shows
that just continues to air and it doesn't matter what
generation you're from. It's just timelessly funny, and the characters

(01:09:57):
are timelessly you know, lovable, And it's bums me out
that maybe you know, your kids might not know the
character of THEO, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It's yeah, yeah, it's a damn shame, it absolutely is. Yeah,
so I wanted to make sure we remembered him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Yeah, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yeah, But with that, let's get to our our two
big releases for this week. Let's do it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Now we're pleased to bring you our feature.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
All right. So The Fantastic four First Steps is in
theaters now. It's been been in theaters for two weeks
as we're recording this latest from Marvel Studios. And it
opened really well. Hm second weekend? Uh not so not
so not so good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Didn't hold? Didn't hold think you would want it to?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Not ideal? Obviously, I'm sure that there's there's reasons for
all that we can get into. But uh, you and
I have not discussed this at all on vacation. Yeah, so,
uh I am. I am fascinated to hear your thoughts
on this. So this is this is for those keeping score,
This is this is the MCU's third at bat in
movie theaters this year.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I first I thought you're
gonna say it with Fantastic Four.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
It is also the well, it's the Fantastic four is
fourth that is technically if you want to include the
unreleased one. Yeah, but so so we had Captain America
Brave New World back in February, we had we had
Thunderbolts at the start of May, and and now now
we hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Know, and it's funny because you think of Thunderbolts, that
was the one where people were like, hey, this is
actually good, but it just didn't perform. Yeah, you know,
and uh, I've even seen online a little bit people
catching it now on Disney Plus and going, hey this
was good. Yeah. Yeah, like yeah, it's hard to get
people to show up, I guess at this, you know,

(01:11:55):
or they need to be convinced.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Before we even get into the movie. Can we and
this may be covering old ground, but can we talk
about how Disney shot itself in the dick when it
came to ruining some of the entrenched value of its
most iconic franchises.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Definitely, I mean specifically yes with Disney, but you just
look at like streaming all together and how it just
made people like all the studios became like that wolf
where the tongue rolled out of its mouth and it
had a fork and knife in each hand. They're like,
we can make so much money, and it's just like
it's a lot harder than you think it is. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
It's yeah, you're absolutely right, And I think when it
comes to Disney in particular, the very thing that they
deemed as giving value to its streaming service has devalued
its theatrical Yes, exactly right. Yes, so we got Pixar,
we got Star Wars, we got Marvel, and all three

(01:13:01):
have taken body blows recently.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Yeah, And I mean for some it's oversaturation with Star
Wars and Marvel, and then with Pixar. It's like they
accidentally conditioned people to think that Pixar movies are you know,
that's something you can watch on your couch at home,
and they an't worth leaving your house anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
So with regards to Fantastic Four, I mean the reviews
very positive. Overall audience scores seem to be pretty good.
I saw the cinema score was like a A minus.
I think, yeah, sure, so you know about what you'd want.
But I think there is sort of a there is
a sense of if not oh I'm not interested, it's

(01:13:41):
I'll get to it when I get to it, totally,
and that's killer man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, I mean my question, did Brian's parents feel the
need to go see this one? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Yeah, because they back in the day I remember they're like, Oh,
we're gonna go see Captain Marvel because we want to
be ready for endgame or was that Infinity War endgame?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Uh? Endgame?

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Endgame? Yeah, so I mean that, Yeah, they were doing
their Marvel homework at one point. Yeah. No, they have
not seen this. I would recommend it to them, though.
I mean, if I'm going to start talking about what
I felt, I you know, I mean, honestly, I can't
say what I felt because it relates to exactly what
you're talking about, which is I really enjoyed it, Like
this is a really fun superhero movie and it stands

(01:14:27):
on its own. You don't need to know the other films.
And at the same time, I mean it's it's not groundbreaking, no,
you know, and it's just a good and this I
mean this in the most positive way. It's a really
good superhero movie. But I think all these years in
now and with this many movies coming out of a year

(01:14:49):
there's superhero films, is that enough right to well, it isn't.
I was gonna say to perform like they used to,
and at this point it isn't. And I don't know
what you do to be groundbreaking again or shattering or
make people feel like, oh, I hear that's good. I'll
get to that because they've seen so much. We talk
about the oversaturation, you know, I don't exactly know, but well,

(01:15:14):
we'll get into the details of why I liked it,
but I want to hear your opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Well, I so, yeah, not to bury the lead, I
thoroughly enjoyed it. I think, certainly, of all the Fantastic
Four movies up to this point, this is the best
one in my opinion. I do think that in terms
of sort of firing up ward of mouth, I think
perhaps it had the misfortune of coming so close on
the heels of Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Yeah, sure, which I think that movie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
Has done more to kind of make people feel like
it's something a little different.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
You know What's funny. I actually thought Fantastic four this
is very specific for a certain generation, but Fantastic Four
almost feels like a Guns N' Roses record coming out
after Nevermind, you know what I mean, where you're like, oh, yeah, no,
it's good. It's good, but like, have you heard it

(01:16:09):
smells like teen Spirit?

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Yeah? Uh, I definitely like like of of the of
the I think this year the Marvel movies. For me,
I think I think Captain America braven year old. I
think what I said back then, I was like, I
think it's fine. Yeah, I still feel that way. I
think Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four, on the other hand, I
think are very good, agreed, and and so the fact

(01:16:36):
that well, and and let me also say, I think
Fantastic four is doing okay, and I suspect it'll stabilize
a little bit and end up doing when all of
a sudden done, It'll have done okay. Thunderbolts is a disappointment.
I don't think Fantastic Four will be when all of
a sudden done.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yeah, but as the kickoff to a new phase, yes,
probably not what they were hoping for.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
It's it's concerning because each of these that underperforms or
doesn't measure up puts more of an onus on Avengers
Doomsday next year to really lift the load. And that's
where I start to worry, because it that's when I
start thinking that the studio is gonna get all handsy

(01:17:21):
and try to you know what I mean, sure to
really make it, you know, be something special, that to
make it be something that maybe it just can't beat
right as far as this this movie. I think it helps,
honestly that you and I watched the the O five
movie like just before me too. There's a little bit

(01:17:42):
of context, right because because I I well, refresh my memory.
But I my sense is when we watched the Old
five movie, we're both like, you know, this is good
for what it was, and it was like a fun oddity,
like a throwaway thing. Yeah, And I think we were like,
you know, if nothing else, the cast really jelled totally right,

(01:18:05):
So I guess the compliment I can pay this movie
is the cast gelled even better for me than the
previous cast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
They felt a little richer. Yeah, not to take anything
away from the original cast, because they were bringing it
and you could tell they were invested in their characters.
But it's a different.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Flavor, different flavor. Yeah, yeah, this feels just a little richer.
I think setting this one on a different Earth was
very smart.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Definitely. Well, I don't know definitely, but I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Yeah. I think for me, I was like, I liked
obviously the future retro future Jetson's aesthetic that it had
going on, but also I think it mattered for this
story that the Fantastic Four be be the first the

(01:18:56):
only heroes in order for the story to work, you know. Yeah,
And and I think that where the movie leaves things,
it makes me excited to see where things are going
to go next, you know. And I think ultimately that's
that's what Marvel's hoping for. We've already gotten the t's
at the end of Thunderbolts, so we know that they're
showing up, you know, and gonna mess around with the

(01:19:21):
other Marvel characters. So I'm like, you know, it left
me at a place where I'm like, Okay, well I
want to see that totally. In terms of the cast,
obviously you mentioned Evan Moss Backgrack. He was great, huh.
But I love Jase Joseph Quinn in this Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yeah, Well that's the thing I mean when I say
like that, it's not like earth shattering, It's like, because
we've seen so many movies where people can fly and
a big thing, a big guy is there, and they
got to stop the big guy. But why I really
like this movie was the characters. I feel like each
character got a solid moment. It made him feel like

(01:19:59):
a real person and very interesting, and they got to
be interesting against one another. And there was like cool
events that happened in this movie that I think about
where I'm like, oh, I really enjoyed this event. I
enjoyed when this character experienced this. There was enough of
those more so than I feel like I've felt in
a while, certainly with something like Brave New World. Yeah,
that made it feel like strong, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Yeah, yeah, that was my definitely my thought. I was like,
you know, the human torch gets his moment to shine,
you know, I think the thing gets a lot of
great character beats. Vanessa Kirby, who I've been a fan
of for a while. She really is like the beating
heart of this movie in so many ways. And I

(01:20:44):
know there's been like this whole thing like oh, Pedro
Pascal is overexposed or whatever, which, like I guess, but
that's not really his fault. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
It's hilarious in my head thinking of my response that
was forming in my brain. It was literally, I guess
because I feel the same way like yeah, I mean, yeah,
I mean just the way that things have been released
that yeah, we're getting a lot of him, but like,
I don't know, I like him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I like him. I think he's good. I think he
does something a little different with this. I liked his
version of Reid. I kind of liked.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
First I've said this elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I don't remember if I said it on the show,
but Pedro Pascal to me looks like a Jack Kirby drawing.
H Yeah, and so I think it's very appropriate that
that he's playing read Richard's I like the way the
movie visualized mister Fantastics powers m which because hold back
on a little bit till till the end, huh, they do, right,

(01:21:39):
and and and even then they sort of establish some limits.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Which I kind of liked because that's one of my
main complaints with superhero movies is it's always like a
fight begins, they pummel each other for five minutes, and
then for some reason they stop, and no one won
or lost, right, right, And in this yeah, he yeah,
we see some limits. And I was like, oh, I
didn't know that. I didn't know that could hurt him
like that, Well stop, you know, right, So then I'm

(01:22:05):
now I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
Invested, exactly right. I think you need that. And I
also because the issue with the you know, the prior
films and maybe this was just as this was as
much a result of technology not being up to it
is that I never bought sort of the physics of
how he stretches, and I kind of like, it feels

(01:22:26):
like this movie they borrowed a page from how Pixar
did Elasta Girls, Yeah, Incredibles movies in terms of how
mister Fantastic bounces and stretches and and it just made
it my mind bought it more. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
That's yeah, that's a good point, because I mean, it
is what it is when you watch those early two
thousand ones where VFX were at the time, but they
literally do feel like someone just was like an Adobe
or something. It just like just pulled on arms and
like exactly, it doesn't really look like a human arm anymore.
There's just no bicep, and there's no forearm, and there's

(01:23:02):
no elbow, and it's just like stretching the image or something.
It looks a little wonky. But yeah, this, yeah, it's
well put. There's like a real squash to it that
feels understandable.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Yeah, you know, and I think to me, the portion
of the movie I found most interesting was up to
and including the you know, when they when they go
off into space, right, So that's whatever it is, half hour,
forty minutes, and it's just character stuff. It's how they
are with each other, it's how they are with the world,

(01:23:34):
and you know, like all of that stuff, I just
I find I found that somewhat novel. And that's what
I liked about it. The dynamics of this team being
a family. They did such a good job of really
articulating it clearly. It right away makes it different from
you know, the Avengers or whomever, and so you're like, oh,

(01:23:57):
you know, they'll bring a different dynamic to the whole
gang whenever that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
Yeah, you know, I mean to call it something specifically,
you know, read when he's talking to Sue. Sue basically
he's trying to come out with all the potential outcomes
or something or all their options, and his options tend
to like lean dark, you know, all the outcomes lean dark.
And Sue is like, look, I go to be honest

(01:24:24):
with you. This really bothers me. Yeah, like I know,
like you're really brilliant, and so that's why you think
those things, or maybe that's his defense. It's like I
have to think those things so we can think something better. Yeah,
but she's like as his wife, Like it just bothers me.
You would even say some of these things, and I
love that, like in a Superhero movie where that's one
of the moments that I remember afterward, that dynamic between

(01:24:46):
the two of them, Like, that's why I enjoyed it,
Like I did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Absolutely. Yeah, you know, so, I guess the high level
what I would say to people is it's gonna give
you in up of the familiar MCU flavor that that
you know that you like, presumably, but it's also going
to give you something different enough that you'll feel glad

(01:25:13):
that you watched it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I think, so, yeah, yeah, And then I mean, also,
Julia Garner is a Silver Surfer. I I guess I
didn't know what to expect. Oh, I didn't tell you this,
but I did watch the sequel Rise of Silver Surfer.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Oh this this is kind of like a pseudo remake
of that, isn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
It kind of? Yeah? Yeah, and he he feels I mean,
I'm sure it's related to the comics, but just a
little you know, he's voiced by Lawrence Fishburne, and he
feels a little I don't know, ethereal or something or
like not quite relatable, but it was. It wasn't bad,
it was fine. But I like that we dig in
to this silver Surfer and she's she's got an arc. Yeah,

(01:25:56):
you know, and I actually found it really potent and
one of the big things I took away from the movie.
And I liked when she was struggling, you know. I
guess I'm trying to dance around not getting spoilery, but
like you know, there's like a moment where she's suffering
and I really felt it, and I felt for her
and I liked her arc in this, and I thought

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that was another standout thing for the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Yeah, any other non spoiler stuff that we wanted to
talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
You know, they do interesting things with their abilities, like
they don't do as much as the Fox movie did.
Like I was saying, they withheld Reid's stretchiness a little
bit toward the end, so we don't really see him
in the lab Where's my pencil and then street stretching across.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Yeah, I was thinking we'd get more of that, to
be honest, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Me too. But with Sue and her invisible abilities, there's
a moment where Reid's sort of worrying about the health
of their child and her she makes her stomach invisible
so they can check on him, and I was like, wow,
what a great idea, like does so you know, there's
like clever implementation of that stuff. And then of course,
again I don't know how much to say or not,

(01:27:05):
but like there's the baby's born, very exciting scene. Yeah
that was great, Yeah that was that was very cool.
And then you've got again I don't whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Well, okay, I'll say a couple a couple of non
supo other things. I we were talking about Johnny again,
Joseph Quentin, I thought did a great job. I like
that the movie. It starts with like kind of a
we see like archival footage of them, you know, before
they go off in space, and read as like, you know,
these people with me are the most brilliant scientists I know,

(01:27:39):
and and I like that the movie introduced that aspect
of like these are all very smart people. And it
makes Johnny Storm not an idiot, yes, like a Hammo exactly,
which was which the Chris Evans version leaned into a lot.
This one almost virtually issues.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That but it but the the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Part of the solution rests with Johnny, and he arrives
at it in a very intelligent, scientific way, which I
was like, Hey, that's that's great. I like that me too,
you know. And then also Herbie the Robot, Can I
get a Herbie the Robot please? That guy was just
frigging adorable. Yep. So Herbie the Robot fun fact originated

(01:28:22):
in the nineteen seventy eight Fantastic Four animated series Oh Okay,
because at that time he was a ringer for the
Human Torch because for whatever reason, Marvel had licensed out
the rights to the Human Torch separately.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
Interesting, so they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
Didn't have him to use in their own Fantastic Four cartoon, huh.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
So they invented Herbie Herbie the Robots or take the
place to take it, right, And so I love that,
you know. Several decades later, you know, almost fifty years later,
they rope him back in and they make him bring
him back into the pop culture spotlight. Yeah, yeah, he
was cute. I liked him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
I liked what I loved. First of all, he's got
his little wait and everybody understands what he says. But
this is like a little thing I noticed the second time,
as anytime he goes near Johnny and he gives Johnny
something Johnny scratches the top.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Of his eyes. I did notice that. Yeah, that was cute.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
I just thought that was really cute.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Yeah, yeah, oh spoilers, Oh yeah, oh yeah, I didn't
know we were gonna do it. Yeah, definitely, let's do it. Okay, spoiler.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
All right, So we finally get to see Galactus. Yes,
and you know, I've he's not a cloud.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
He's not a cloud. I was gonna say, I've lamented
a little bit about how now that we've seen everything,
because visual effects make everything possible. Now, even incredible things
seem less spectacular or thrilling to me as an audience goer.
But like the way that they conveyed Galactic Galactic the

(01:30:03):
villain scale against New York, I thought was like breathtaking, Yeah,
really effective, very effective, very cool.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
So he's portrayed by Ralph Innocent, who brings a proper,
you know, sense of ominous sort of villainy, but also
like a little bit of humanity, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Yeah, he doesn't necessarily want to be doing what he's doing.
I don't know if that was I completely understood it,
if I'm being honest, like he felt like he could
pass the mantle or the thirst that he had to
devour worlds on and be free of this thing. It
was like a burden to him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Well, the in the comic books, Galactus is basically an
explorer from another universe who you know, ventured too far
into you know things, man is not meant to know
kind of stuff, and so he ends up being transformed
into Galactus, who serves a universal function, which is that

(01:31:10):
due to his hunger, he thigns out the universe. So
he serves a necessary role. But obviously, you know, there
is an element of tragedy as any good Marvel character,
you know. So I think they did a good job
for traying that. I also, by the way, he's he's
he's Vego, Like he's just Vego from Ghostbusters too.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
Yeah, so I think that makes the Silver Surfer, you know,
Peter McNichol, Yeah, well that's right. Yeah, the Harold the
child that I may live again, and she's.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Like the child you know, holy crap. Yeah, you're right,
way more than I even realized.

Speaker 2 (01:31:51):
It's it's a rise of the Silver Surfer smushed with
Ghostbusters chef and you get fat stuff. Yeah right, the
right with Sue dying just like the other movie. Yeah,
oh yeah, that's right, and then she's brought to life
with the power cosmic, just like that other movie.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
So yeah, I gotta say it really worked for me.
There was like a split second they went just far
enough where I was like, oh, are they really doing this, dude?
Not they for me?

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
There were times that when when Galactus is stretching read
like taffy yes, yes, which I was alluding to earlier,
I was like, is he gonna die?

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Yeah. I don't know if I even thought that, but
I was like, oh, so he there is a limit,
like he can be stretched too far, and I really
like that. And then yeah it so like I said,
if there was like a fight and I knew there
was no limits, I would just be like okay, yep,
and then we'd move on to the next thing. But
in this it made me lean forward in my seat
and go like, well help him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
See. I think for me, knowing it's an alternate Earth,
there was like a small part of me that was like,
you know, they have a little bit of license to
kill folks off. M h.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
So near the end, when when it looks like Johnny's
going to sacrifice himself, I was like, is Johnny about today, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
And I think they got the best of both worlds there,
and they pulled it off where he got to have
his heroic moment and I bought it and I knew
he would have done it and that makes me love right,
But that's right. But then they get the best of
both worlds. Then Silver Surfer gets her moments and that
meant a lot to me after, like she got her redemption,

(01:33:29):
you know. And there was actually a shot that I
really liked. Sometimes I complain about movies where they don't
do enough close ups because I really want to like
get into the person's sort of feelings. And they did
this sort of almost fishy thing on her as she
was like determinedly, determinedly sacrificing herself, and I was like,
it gave me that moment to be with her and go, oh,

(01:33:50):
she's choosing this and she's going to go out a hero,
and I really appreciated that choice.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
But yeah, to the point you were making earlier, I mean,
I think, I think when when when we think Sue
is dead, the way the way Pedro Pascal plays it,
and just that all totally worked for me. Yeah, you know,
And and I think as a matter of contrast, you know,
the earlier film Rise of the Silver Surfer. I don't
think you ever doubt that she's going to come back

(01:34:17):
to life. The Jessica albo One, you know, sure, And
I think part of that is just that's the nature
of that film, which is more more of a lark
you know. Yeah, yeah, but it's it's it's like a
film school assignment, you know, you take the same setup
and how do you execute Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Oh, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Yeah, yes, for sure, right, just just ring a little
bit of drama out of it, just just a couple
more seconds. I think. I think when when they put
the baby on her chest, and I mean it's like,
what's going to happen? You don't know genuinely, you know,
but I think it works. So in the comics, Franklin
Richards is like the most powerful mutant in the universe,

(01:35:04):
and so you know that, and but he's obviously like
an eternal child in the Marvel time. But it's not
like in the future. One day he's going to become,
you know, the most powerful of all. So like how
is he going to be raised? Who's going to raise him?
Kind of thing?

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
You know, yeah, calling out specifics that you alluded to earlier.
With Johnny having his moment like him working backwards to
learn the language silver surfer's language, I thought that was
a really cool moment for him, Yeah, showing his smarts,
So yeah, I enjoyed that. And then him have you know,

(01:35:40):
going out there and having the standoff with her, and yeah,
like every character got a great moment in this, I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
I think so, yeah, I think that, you know, there
was a lot of consternation, uh, when it was first
announced that the silver surfer in this film would be
would be the female version, would be the Shalli bal version,
And I think that so for context, the traditional silver
surfer in like the mainline Marvel universe's his name is

(01:36:09):
noorn Rad and Schalibal is his his love and so
he sacrifices his own humanity to protect his planet and
his love. And so in this they made and there's
precedent because there's you know, this is like another universe.
There's like a Shallabal silver surfer. So it's not invented

(01:36:31):
from whole cloth. But I like that they made it.
She's like a mirror image of Sue in a sense, right,
because they're both driven by motherhood. She does. She so
Schaalibal sacrifices her humanity to protect her child and her planet,

(01:36:51):
and Sue is driven by that same need to protect
her child. You know. So I think it allows for
a richer arc for both characters. Yep, you know, I
love where Sue. You know, you have all the people
who are like, oh, Galactus says, if you give him
your kid, he'll save the planet. So give him your kid, right,

(01:37:15):
And this is what you were talking about earlier. Reads
like you can see why. It's it's mathematical, it's available. Hey, right,
he's very clinical, you know. But then what does Sue do?
She goes out there, she's like, this is Franklin and
she says, I'm not going to sacrifice my son for
this planet. But I won't sacrifice this planet for my son.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
Amazing. Yeah, right, loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
It's so great, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
And I think that's the trick about Vanessa Kirby. She
just had she's she carries she's sort of luminous, you know,
she she just carries this authority with her. I don't know.
I absolutely loved her in this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Yeah, same, you know, yeah, she always she always shines.
I mean you think of mission and possible and she
usually shows up for like two or three scenes or something,
but she always.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Pops Yeah you know Hobbs and Shaw. Yeah that too,
that too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Oh, Moleman. I love Paul Walter Hauser. He's having a
good couple of weeks. Double feature this week with him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
But you know what's funny is is there's him because
because he's he's in Fantastic Four, and then a week
later he's in The Naked Gun Natasha Leoni. Oh yes,
and she was a voice in The Bad Guys too.
Oh and then a week before that she was a
voice in Smurfs.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Wow. Yeah, she's having him, so, I mean she had
poke her face too. That was season two, I think
was recently.

Speaker 2 (01:38:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
Yeah, gosh, she's over exposed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
If he asked me again, yeah, yeah. Paul tries a
very funny So he's playing the Moleman, who's a character
from the comics, but he also comes across like the
Underminer from from Incredible Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
And I was like, this is the inherent problem with
the Fantastic Four is that the Incredibles got there first.

Speaker 1 (01:39:04):
It's like the John Carter of Mars problem.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It's it's totally that yeah, you know, And so in
a way, I'm kind of glad that there is so
much distance because because what made the five movie however
it is, was because they were trying to deliber relate
to differentiate it from The Incredibles. And I kind of
like that there's been so much distance now between not
just those earlier films but also the Incredibles, that this

(01:39:27):
can be more unabashedly what it always is anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Yeah. Yeah, and that seems to be the secret sauce,
which seems so obvious. But with Figy, he was like, Hey,
if they wear a yellow and blue suit, they're gonna
wear a yellow and blue suit because that's what it is,
and that's what's cool, and people will like it because
it's I think it's cool, and they'll think it's cool too,
you know what I mean. I love that, and it's
just leaning into exactly what it is and then you

(01:39:53):
get the best versions of all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
I agree. Yeah, I love.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Moment when everyone's going underground. He's like, please wipe your feet,
just kidding, it's all dirt.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
I like where he's like, hey, Johnny, don't get mad
at me. I'm not the one who dressed you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Yeah, it makes a lot out of a little screen time.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Yeah, well Paul Trowser so good at that. Yeah, just
in general, a little fun fact, this is Earth eight
twenty eight. The traditional MCU Earth is, of course six
one six. This one's called eight twenty eight because Jack Kirby,
co creator with Fantastic For, was born August twenty eighth.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
I like that, nice little tribute. And there's a scene
where when the when the Silver Surfer arrives on Earth,
you know, you get various people looking you see inside
a comic book art studio, and you see two people
who I'm fairly certain are meant to be stan Lee
and Jack Kirby. Oh I did notice that, which, Yeah,
that was only something that popped up in my second viewing. Yeah.

(01:40:54):
We also get cameos from the cast of the nineteen
ninety four unreleased Fantastic Four movie.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Oh where were They? I knew that before I saw it,
but I I don't know who they are? So where
were they?

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
So I saw that I saw there. There is first
of all, during the big montage for evidence like Thank
You Fantastic For, there's one where all four of them
are together saying that that's great. And then also there
is a newscast when it's like, you know, Sue, Sue
Storm is expecting your baby, and the copdown is on.
That's Alex Hyde White, who played Reid Richards in the

(01:41:27):
earlier film.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Yeah, And then I am pretty sure I saw Michael
Bailey Smith who plays Ben Grimm. He plays like a
construction worker.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Well, I think that's really cool for people who don't know.
There was a point where, you know, a Fantastic four
a movie was made, but the only reason it was made.
This is in the nineties, right, it was the only
reason it was made was to keep the rights to
the Fantastic Four, and so they made a movie that
was never intended to be released. It was only made

(01:41:56):
for a million dollars to keep the rights somewhere. So
these people are acting their hearts out and thinking they're
going to be in this cool superhero movie. Little do
they know, like right, they weren't aware this movie was
never going.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
To see the light of day exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
And so it's become sort of like a you know,
cult artifact right at comic cons throughout the years, where
you could see a bootleg version of this movie, so
people know who is in it, they know the story,
but they've never most people have never really seen the film.
So to have those actors, after everything they went through,
get to be in this big version of the movie
and even have.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
Like acknowledging their place in the lineage, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
Yeah, I think that's really thoughtful and cool.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
There is a documentary about all of this. It's called Doomed,
which is you can watch for free. It's on YouTube.
So nice, it's a fantastic documentary. Yeah, oh is it
That was unintended, but yeah, but that was cool. It
was nice to see them acknowledged totally. Totally. We haven't

(01:42:58):
really talked about Evan Moss back. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
That's funny. I was gonna bring that up because when
you brought up Natasha Leone, Yeah, you know, I want
to minded one more scene with them. I agree he
felt maybe, yeah, exactly, It did feel that way, and I,
if it's to be believed, there was a lot of
behind the scenes talk about a lot of reshooting on
this and.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
As with all of these Marvel movies, as with.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
All of them, but it did feel he brought a
lot just because I liked that actor and he made
that character thing feel soulful. But I wouldn't have minded
a little bit more with him. I think he was
probably the most underserved of the four.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
I agree, well, I think you know, we get the
scene between him and Red, which I really liked, where
he's like, hey, stop beating yourself up. Yeah, it's not
your fault kind of thing, which is nice. But I
think I would have liked one scene of him grappling
with the fact that he's beating himself up. That Ben

(01:44:02):
is that he's not happy, Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Like he puts on a front, but he's fundamentally not
happy to look that way, because who would be, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Yeah, And I know it's a much bigger on the
nose moment, but I love it. In the two thousand
and five version, but when his fiance or wife or
whoever it is, yeah, takes her ring off her finger
and sets it in the middle of a freeway, which
is really weird because.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
She's a horrible, horrible person.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Yeah, listen to the commentary. We get into it. But
for him to be so sad and to want to
pick up the ring just to look at it, but
he can't do it because of his hands. His fingers
are too big. Yeah, I wouldn't have minded. It didn't
have to be that big. But some sort of moment
where we get a little more interiority with him, and

(01:44:49):
I think we got a little bit of that with
the Leon character and so and it seems like he
has a crush on it. It's all very like teased
in st chased, well, very chased, but also like, so
does he know her, like he wants to talk to her,
like it's kind of nice when he showed up at
the end.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
He's Yeah, it's clearly like he's got some kind of
feelings for her.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
You can connect the dots, but I wouldn't have minded,
just like to your point, even if it was just
something on his own. Maybe he's even looking at a
picture of himself in a you know, on a picture
and then his reflection of his new face is over
it and he looks away or something, you know, just
just to understand the guy even just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
I think that one scene where they're talking to each
other and she just like holds his hand or something
exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
It doesn't matter, she's not afraid of touching him or
his hand is his hand and she wants to hold it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, I do agree with that. That said,
the visualization of the thing is the best I've ever seen.
He looks fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
Yeah, he looks really good.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
It's just like the comic book version.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
Yeah. You mentioned that during the commentary, the the brow
yep that he has.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they really nailed it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Yeah, now we'll say this. I don't know that I
entirely agree, but I did sense this a little bit.
But a friend of mine who saw this movie, who
liked it, he said, he's, like, it was good. I
liked it. He's like, I think if I had some
sort of issue, it'd be that none of them felt
like a main character. So like they're all like pretty

(01:46:27):
interesting and together, like, yeah, they make this team, the
Fantastic Four, but like none of them, like Red didn't
necessarily feel like a leader, you know, and Sue gets
some strong moments and things kind of interesting, but you know,
like we were just saying we don't entirely understand what's
going on inside. And so just compared to Superman, where
you're like, well, yeah, I'm gonna go see Superman. But

(01:46:48):
when you see the trailer for this movie. It's like,
all right, who's the person like I'm attaching myself to.
It's like it they feel like four kind of main
characters in the film. That was what he was saying,
and I sort of underst and what he's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
I agree with that to to an extent, but I
would almost disagree with that as a critique. I would
say that that's the point true.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
But like trying to get someone to see the movie,
you know what I mean, Like maybe that it doesn't
pop like a Superman on a poster where you got
four people and you're like, well, who's like they're all
kind of equally interesting, But maybe it doesn't, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, I mean to me, I
wish you was here to say it better than I'm
saying right now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Yeah, better than you screwing it up.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
I don't know, but I I I.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Concede the point, but I would say that that is
the point though the same way, like I'm not interested
in mister Incredible by himself. I like him as part
of the family totally. So that's where the Fantastic Four
is different from the Avengers, because the Avengers are all
character like Captain America has his own adventures a group

(01:48:00):
of main characters. Yeah, and then they all get together
and they have some fun adventures together. But the FF
is the f F Right, there's like, like to me,
I mean, granted, the thing had his own like solo
title for a little while and it was fine, But
to me, none of these characters are interesting apart from
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Right, Well, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
It's the family dynamic that makes me, that makes me
interested in them, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:25):
Yeah, that's interesting because I mean you basically said what
he said and he was like not sure how he
felt about it, but you see that as a strength
and that interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
But yeah, I would say if it's too bad, if
the poster or the trailers or something didn't make this
movie feel like it would be something different or that
they would get a lot out of, like Okay, well
maybe I'll just wait for the one where Robert Downey
Junior comes back. But yeah, my selling point would be
it does have enough moments where the characters pop, and

(01:48:59):
where the pop individually, they pop against one another, you know,
interacting with one another. There's like the scene where Sue's
giving birth and they're like traveling around a black hole
and silver surfers surfing start us to catch up with them.
Like I mean, it's awesome, you know, like there's there
are strong moments in this movie, and maybe it's hard
to convey in a trailer or something.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
But I presume that these characters are going to be
pretty pretty important to Avengers Doomsday, and so at the
very least, I think that that a lot of the
ones that people have missed, people will come back and
and check out, you know. Yeah, So that's kind of

(01:49:43):
what it comes down to for me, is that what
we saw during the Infinity saga was that the Marvel
films were a rush out and see it theatrical event.
And one thing you used to say all the time
during those those days is that it's essential a TV series,
and so like many TV series, people are just waiting

(01:50:05):
to watch it and they'll just catch up all at once.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Yeah, And I have been thinking about because I do
feel that this is a good one, and I do
think this is one if people are being a little choosier,
I think this is one worth checking out. But then
I've gone back and re evaluated what I've said about
some of the other ones because I remember not being
too hard on Brave New World, which I would say

(01:50:28):
is much more less stand than this one. I agree,
but I was like, well, so was I not being truthful?
And I was like, well, no, I am. I think
I am measuring it against maybe even my expectations of it,
and to what you just said, I am kind of
viewing it as a just one long TV show and
I watch every episode, right, you know, and some I

(01:50:49):
have outright not liked. But Brave New World I was like, look,
is it as good as the others? Like not really?
Maybe like Middle Middle ish, you know, it had its moments,
but no, it's not as strong and whatever. But like,
did I mind tuning in that week for it? I
can't say I did.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I think for me Brave New World, what makes it
value added is you get a kick ass performance by
Harrison Ford. Yeah, yeah, playing in this playground that I enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Exactly exactly that. But then I guess if I'm going
to say that, I don't want to like confuse people
and say that I think that one's as good as this,
like that that's like not a terrible episode in this
television series quote unquote, Yeah, you get some things that
are kind of interesting. Not the best, not the worst,
but this is one of those ones that's like a
standout episode I think, especially of Late.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Yeah, and you know the the well, okay, I guess
there's Spider Man for is the next one out to shoot? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
Do you think they I've seen so much behind the
scenes about that, almost like an unusual amount. Do you
think that's them sort of like trying to be like
it's common, it's common Spider Man's I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Don't doubt that that's a part of it. And there's
a lot of him like actually swinging around doing some
of that, like a lot of practical just looks awesome,
freaking amazing, right, Yeah, yeah, I sent you this picture.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
I don't think it was a set photographer. I think
it was just like an amateur on the street. Yeah,
and he captured Spider Man on this rig swinging following
a bus, but from a distance like sort of like
telephoto lens sort of looking effect on it, and it
looks so real, like as if someone on the street
held up their phone. It was like, oh, there's Spider

(01:52:30):
Man swinging by again, and it just like delighted me.
It just looked so cool, Like what I want out
of these movies. I want to. I realize there are
limitations and you have to do certain visual effects and whatever,
because you just can't have a guy flipping through skyscrapers.
But like, if you can get a couple shots like that,
the very similitude of it, just like, oh yeah, hot, damn,

(01:52:52):
Like that is what what it would look like a
Spider Man existed swinging through New York.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
That's exciting, I'll tell you. I mean the first uh
Andrew Garfield movie did a lot of that. Yeah, and
it looked fantastic, you know, yeah, or one might say amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
It looked I was like, I'm not gonna call it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
Yeah. What the struggles Marvel has had post COVID, post Endgame,
which happens to coincide of COVID, some of them are
self inflicted. Too much content, ye, putting a subpar content
on streaming, Yeah, devaluing the brand. The other stuff is
is they were putting characters in place who were kind

(01:53:30):
of meant to shoulder the burden. You know, Well, what
happened to Chadwick Boseman. Obviously nobody could have you know,
anticipated that, and that that was a that was a
body blow. You know, I think they've been trying to
set new characters up to to you know, slot in

(01:53:50):
and and it's not Anthony Mackie's fault. He's he's not
Steve Rogers, you know, right that, I'm I'm down to
see more of Anthony Mackie as Sam Will Captain America.
But there's no doubt people miss the other Captain America.
I think that the Fantastic Four to me is one
of the the the instances where they're putting new characters

(01:54:14):
on the board who I'm like, I'm excited to see
more of. You know, I can't necessarily say that about
the Eternals or whoever. Yeah, yeah, right that said, you know,
I saw the picture of Tom Holland. You know, it's
like the little teaser that they put out.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, And I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Like, this guy he's a man now, you know, like yeah,
I mean he's he's like pushing thirty now yeah, and
You're like, man, he's been doing this joint for a
long time. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
It's funny. Tom Holland was in ciner Matrix this morning.
Oh yes, that's not if you did it yet. But
then I was like, yeah, I was writing all the
Marvel movies he was in. I was like, oh, wow,
he's been in a lot, he's been.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Yeah, I know that that's always a good thing because
you can sort of figure out what the less remembered
one to get your score down. Yeah, although you know,
it's funny you Laurence Fishburne was I think in Yesterday's YEP,
and then you were like Rise of Silver for a
surfer and I was like, oh God, damn it, that
would have been a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Uh, Anyway, the point is based on where we're at now.
So we got Spider Man is next out the shoot,
and the next December is of Engers Doomsday. I'm more
I'm I was. I mean, obviously you and I were
both gonna watch of Andrews Doomsday anyway, but I'm more
intrigued now based on the teases that we've had, based
on the stuff that we've gotten this year than I

(01:55:33):
was a year ago. Let's say, yeah, for sure, you
know we do get that little Pope mid credit tease.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, wow, I forgot all about those, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Which I think is a scene from Avengers Doomsday. If
I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
It was shot by the Russo Brothers, right, Yeah, it's
my understanding, and I thought I read somewhere that it
actually was Robert Downey Junior, even though you don't see
his face.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
I'm wondering if the reason we don't see his face
is so that they could have saved some some of
that RDJ bucks that they got a dish out all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
I mean, it would make way more sense if we
didn't see them.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
Right again, it's it's I think it's a good tease,
it's a good setup.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
Oh you know, here's another thing I wanted to say. So,
so at the end of Thunderbolts post credits scene, we
get the shot of the Fantastic Four ship coming through
the portal, and I don't know, I think we've even
talked about this. You sort of get the It leaves
you with at least some expectation that there they don't
save their world, right right, So I went into this

(01:56:38):
movie with that existing as a possibility in my mind,
which actually made it a very pleasant surprise that they
do save their world.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
That would have been kind of funny if it ended
with them piling into the ship like we gotta get
out of here a right, guys, we're wrong bye. Yeah, yeah,
and then fantastic for they're just directed.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
By you know, all the photos and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:57:05):
Yeah, disappointed human faces moments before their extinction. But watching
the ship take.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
Off, people just people looking soberly to the sky. So yeah,
thumbs up for the fantastic four first steps. Yep, yeah right, Hey,
well it doesn't end there, Brian, No, let's get naked.
I'm already there, Oh are you?

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
That's why I knew there's a good reason this wasn't
a vig.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
You think I wear pants? Whant to record? The naked
Gun is in theaters as we record this, and it
is not in the title at least from the files
of Police Squad. Oh yeah, but it remains so in
our hearts. So this one, now you can I say this.
You got to see like an early screening of this.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
I did several months ago. I saw a test screening of.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
It, and so I have to say Brian didn't tell
me anything about it, but.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
I didn't want to run it. I mean, this is
a movie where you tell the jokes, this.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Is the thing, And I was just like, did you
see it? I was like, yeah, I wait, I said,
did you see it? And he said yes, and I
said what'd you think? And he wouldn't say anything. Yeah,
And so I was very jealous. But I watched it,
and did you watch it again? Have you seen like
the Finish Finish version?

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
I have?

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Yeah, Okay, So the movie is eighty five minutes long,
and I would say I spent about seventy eight of
those minutes laughing.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
I have to tell you, so I guess I should
go back. So I was very nervous about this movie.
And I used to live in an area where there
were test screenings every single week. Well actually, I mean
I kind of still do, like I yeah, every week
there's something going on, but you have to wait in
line and you might not be guaranteed a seat, and

(01:58:57):
so I've been going less and less, but sometimes there's
a movie where I'm like, I have to know. And
so anyway, the Naked Gun was playing, I was like,
I'm just so nervous about this being good. I just
I have to know early. And it was really awesome
getting to go in a completely packed theater and I'm
talking every demographic represented, every age represented, and even part

(01:59:21):
of me kind of wondered like, oh, I I didn't
know who the fandom in twenty twenty five was for
this series right right, And in the beginning where you
see that picture of Leslie Nielsen as Frank Dreben on
the wall, the audience erupted an applause nice at this
test screening, and I was like, well, that makes me hope, wow, okay,
And I mean the whole way through the audience was roaring,

(01:59:43):
and I had the greatest experience. I thought it was
really fun and funny, but then I couldn't talk about
it with anybody, you know. I mean you literally sign
something that you won't talk about it, and so I
was like waiting because I was like, I think this
is really good, but I maybe I don't know. Maybe
it's like the heat of the moment, you know, when
you're with everybody who's laughing around you, like maybe I'm wrong,

(02:00:04):
and I'm gonna say, oh, it's good, you should go
see it, and then everyone's gonna go, what were you
talking about? You know, my electro experience. I've been burned before,
so it makes me really happy that it's been getting
great reviews. And then you texted me about one moment
specifically and how you were like in stitches and I

(02:00:25):
was like, oh, okay, so that what I was feeling.
I was like, on the right check. I felt validated.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
It was so refreshing seeing a movie like that. I mean, honestly,
it feels like an artifact, doesn't it, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
You know why for so many reasons, a comedy in
the theater is one Sorry to cut you off, but
I'll just say this one specific thing, and I think
this is maybe what you're about to say. It's not topical. Yeah, yeah,
it's not about anything in this moment, and it's not
even about pop culture in this moment. It's just jokes.
It's jokes. Everyone can laugh at it. It's eighty five

(02:01:00):
minutes of stuff anybody can laugh at. And I can't
remember the last time I saw something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think the most topical
it gets, I would say, is like the to me,
the Danny Houston character feels vaguely elon adjacent.

Speaker 1 (02:01:18):
Totally totally, but you could still he could still be
general enough.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
That it's right in the in the most non specific
you know, if you know, you know kind of way. Yeah,
but just the the the staging, you know, the this
is in the trailer, you know, the opening sequence, which
is this bank heist, you know, and then and then
Frank Dreben Junior shows up, and I love how it

(02:01:42):
echoes the opening scene of the of the first film, right.
But what what this movie does is that it it
that tricky thing where it it puts a comical character
into a serious situation. Yeah, and I think that's what
makes it funny. I mean, Leslie Nielsen, that's what he

(02:02:05):
did in those earlier films, right, He was a serious
actor doing comedy, and so he played it straight, you know.
And I think Liam Neeson it's almost in congress the
idea of him playing Leslie Nielsen's son, but it works
so perfectly.

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, And I think honestly, when
I saw the trailer, I didn't exactly love that moment
where he's the little girl and then he rips the
head off because it was just so fantastical and weird.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
It works better in context, in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I think it works better in context, but it just
it's what made me like slightly nervous.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
I was like, oh, maybe they're the humor is going
to be different and whatever. But what I think they
really pulled off and they should be applauded for is
this does feel like a nikky gun movie, but it's
the year twenty twenty five, Like it's you want it
to be faithful to what made the originals so great,
and a lot of that is verbal humor. Yes, but

(02:03:01):
this isn't Leslie Nielsen and this isn't the eighties, and
it's not necessarily a riff on noirs. In a way,
it's kind of a riff on Leam Neeson's movies. Yes, yeah,
you know, and that's smart. Well, just you know the beginning,
when we get the title sequence, the fact that it's
not you know, the siren going through.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
They didn't do that. Yes, I liked that they didn't
do that. Yeah, Instead they did a thing that looks
like mid two thousands action movie intros, which was hilarious.
And then yeah, and then they do like a funny
thing with that. You know, there's so many like I
remember when you and I think this is when we

(02:03:42):
did our commentary track. We're talking about how Ciskel and
Ebert were like laughing during their review, you know. Yeah, yeah,
and this is me yesterday telling my brother to watch it,
and I'm like remembering scenes like when Dreben Junior is
interviewing Busta Rhymes and they show the body cam footage. Yeah, dude,

(02:04:06):
it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (02:04:07):
Dude, you know what's funny. Well, I want to comment
on that, but I just want to say in that
opening scene, I think what they they say it out
loud where some woman says to Drebyn like who are you?
He's like, I'm Frank Dreben the new version. Yeah, but
he's just like, you know, I want to be a
little bit like the old one, but not exactly the same,
kind of different, you know, Like that's what he says

(02:04:28):
to to Frank Senior's picture. Oh oh sorry, I was
confusing the moment. Yeah, but that's that's what I think
they did. Like, I think they changed it enough to
feel like a movie in this twenty twenty five, but
it has the soul of the original Naked Gun. Yeah,
you know, they didn't betray it sold So that's what
I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
And so that to me, the bodycam scene is that
like that that would be perfectly at home in those
earlier films.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
Yeah. Yeah, And I hope this isn't going outside of
the bounds what I should be talking about. But when
I first saw that at the test screening. That was
my much longer oh interesting, and I didn't find it
as funny how funny I actually thought it was. I
was sort of thinking like, oh, this is kind of gross,
and because they lingered too much on it. But what

(02:05:13):
they did and it's they should test it that way
because then they're seeing when does everyone laugh and when
does everyone stop laughing? And so they trimmed it up
in such a way that you didn't linger on how
gross it was anymore. You just almost like kind of
related to it, like oh, I've been in that situation,
you know, and then it just and then it moved
to the next moment like Okay, now he's in this
coffee shop, and then there's a line and then the

(02:05:34):
next like it was just like a real I almost
wish people could see the difference, because it felt like
a real lesson in comedy, whittling it down to its
perfect essence where it's the perfect version of that gag.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
I mean I was I was laughing out loud in
the theater and then again remembering later I was laughing
out loud, yeah you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:53):
Yeah, yeah, But you know what I love about that,
it's because he keeps hitting these corn dogs. And then
let you know, then he's just after the bath room incident,
he's like, I hate more corn dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Busts like, don't do it, man, Yeah, watching the footage.

Speaker 1 (02:06:08):
And then what I love later is then when Liam
Neeson's holding the device in his hand, the plot device literally, yep,
He's just like, well, it weighs about two and a
half corn dogs.

Speaker 2 (02:06:21):
There's a scene earlier in the movie where they're at
the car and they're investigating a car crash, and you
see Frank put on his rubber glove. Yes, and then
he reaches into with his other hand, right right, right right.
They spent so much time on Hi putting on that club.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Wait, so maybe we should get into spoilers. Like all
this to say, I think people who are fans of
the original Naked Gun will enjoy this. I think, and
I mean this in the best way. I think it
feels like family Family Guy meets Naked Gun, which is
and I would say the best of Family Guy, you know,
because they do have like some funny observational humor and

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rug pull kind of humor.

Speaker 2 (02:07:00):
And lonely Island.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
One might say lonely Island for sure. This feels like
a perfect marriage of all those things, and I think
it's something that across the board. There's not a joke
in the movie too. Yep, yep. I think most people
are are gonna have a great time.

Speaker 2 (02:07:20):
Just I think you're making me want to watch it again.

Speaker 1 (02:07:27):
I know me too, actually, but yeah, I think most
people are gonna like this. It's just there's jokes for everybody.
It gets a little cheeky little pg. Thirteen, But that aside,
there's just jokes for everybody here. So do you want
to are doing to the jokes? Yeah, I think we
should get to laugh about them.

Speaker 4 (02:07:43):
Okay spoiler, So.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
You're talking about things getting cheeky. I would say the
cheekiest is obviously when when Kevin durant Is is looking
at through the uh you know, the yes, the heat
sensor and he's seeing the outlines. As as as a
drab In is on his date with with Pam Anderson's character.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
Yeah, I would say that's like a notch up from
the Austin Powers stuff where it's, yeah, you have the
Austin Powers shadowed gags where it looks like, you know,
the Heather Gram's playing an umbrella. Yes, this goes like
a hint more sexual, but and it also reminded me
of The Simpsons, you know, where they put the heat
device to monitor Homer.

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
Yeah, yeah, he's stewing in his own juice.

Speaker 1 (02:08:33):
Yeah, but they accidentally are focusing in on a turkey
that's being cooked in the oven, like, wow, he's four
hundred degrees. But yes, okay, so you texted me. The
only thing you texted me was the Snowman.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
Yes, so yeah, that's Snowman. So it's a montage set
to Nothing's going to stop us now right. Yeah, so
this is sort of this verse, this movie's version of
something tells me, I'm it is something good?

Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Yes, yes, yeah, the date montage.

Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
And and it's and it's uh Drebon and Beth. They
go off to like a winter cabin and they have fun.
They build a snowman, and then they find a book
of magic incantations and they built they bring the snowman
to life. Yeah, and then he's involved in a three
way with them. Yeah, and now he's jealous and he's

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shut out. And it was so funny because that was
hilarious enough where you just see him staring into the
through the window at them.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Yeah, feeling left out.

Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
But then during the course of that that music that
music video, we.

Speaker 1 (02:09:36):
See Frank puff on an inhaler. Yeah, and that was
solely so.

Speaker 2 (02:09:41):
That we could see the snowman like go like empty
out the inhaler.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
Yeah, he's he's plotting how he's gonna kill.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
And at that moment I am doubled over in laughter. Yeah, yeah,
because I'm like, that is so funny, you know. And
then he's chasing after them with a shotgun or whatever,
and I was like, first so again, I was like
I couldn't breathe. I was laughing so hard, and I
texted I was like, this is like our sense of humor. Yeah, totally,

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Like I was like, I was like, I love the
fact that they had this really bizarre thought and they
just rolled with it, like it reminds me of the
thing that you and I did and Sean with the robot,
you know, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was totally in
that vein and You're right, yeah, it really was. It's
totally and and so I love that that made it
into this movie. And then you know, the the it

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felt entirely of a piece with the franchise.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Yeah, yeah, but it felt specific.

Speaker 2 (02:10:41):
To something that that that this new team is bringing
in exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:10:46):
Yeah, that was the one that was the hardest to
keep all these months because I was, well, you know that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:51):
If you described that, it would be like nobody would
understand what you were saying, right, right, that's the other thing,
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:11:00):
Pam Anderson's really good in this too.

Speaker 1 (02:11:02):
Yeah, she really gets to shine. She was cracking me
up when she was doing the scatting on stage and
then she's like playing with that stand up bass and
she's like, that's really funny.

Speaker 2 (02:11:17):
There was when when when Drebin walks in on the
Dead Reporter.

Speaker 1 (02:11:23):
Oh yeah yeah right.

Speaker 2 (02:11:25):
And he's like, I got this red stuff. I'm getting
it everywhere. I picked up your knife. Now what.

Speaker 1 (02:11:35):
You know what I loved was his chief's husband. Yes,
he is sleeping. She or she's like, you know, get
him to me immediately. Yeah, this instant, Yeah, this instant.
She's like in bed, it's like the middle of the night,
and then he's like standing at the foot of their bed,
but they're whispering because her husband is sleeping with this Like,
imask on.

Speaker 2 (02:11:54):
What make that so fun? She's like, get me drebbing
this instant, and then we cut to Drebbin and we're like, oh,
this must be the next day and the office yes, yes, yeah,
yeah yeah, and then we cut back to her reverse
and and they're like.

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
He's got a big data out. He's working on this
presentation and the like Frank knows about it. He's like,
oh yeah, well, he's like what we do for that promotion?
Why haven't they given it to him yet? And then
later he shows up at the end like the chief
and then the husband still has the eyemask on.

Speaker 2 (02:12:20):
Yeah, like the the the oh oh, Priscilla Presley's cameo.

Speaker 1 (02:12:28):
Yeah yeah, kind of almost like blink and you miss it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
It told you know, there's a scene where he's sneaking
into uh, Danny Houston's thing and he falls whatever, and
he gets a call and he's like, mom, I'll call
you back whatever. He says, oh yeah right, And so
in my head I was like, I wonder if we're
gonna see Priscilla Presley in this.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
You know what's funny, I didn't even think about it.
That's that he would be talking to Priscilla Presley. That
did crack me up.

Speaker 2 (02:12:52):
Though.

Speaker 1 (02:12:53):
After he's like trying to sneak into the place and
there's a little squeak in the floor and then falls
all down down the set of stairs and then he
gets the call I love to call you back.

Speaker 2 (02:13:04):
I love that the whole sequence at the end with
Frank at the m M A thing like that's basically
this movie's version of the the Baseball Game totally yeah, right,
and and then and then you know, we the whole
you know, the way it all erupts and everything, and
then and it's just uh when he when he's finally

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fighting with Danny Houston.

Speaker 1 (02:13:29):
And he's like, you wouldn't mean the stomach?

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
Have you ever been in a fight?

Speaker 1 (02:13:34):
That was the heart I saw? It was Sean, And okay,
that was the hardest Sean left the whole movie. Really,
he doubled over because yeah, he Liam Neeson punches the
bad guy in the stomach and the guy goes, you
punched my belly. He's like, you hit the soft part
of my belly. And then he's like, I've got a bar. Yeah,
and then Dragon's like, have you even been in a fight? Before?

(02:13:56):
Sean was losing it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
Did he like the movie?

Speaker 1 (02:13:59):
He did?

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
Yeah? Good, I'm so glad.

Speaker 1 (02:14:02):
Yeah, I was wondering. I was wondering, but he was
laughing the whole way through.

Speaker 2 (02:14:07):
Oh man, I'm trying to think like that. There's some
o oh the I love the thing with Dave Batista.
Oh that was funny. Yeah, yeah, just like just so
in Congress and then and then he gets like taken
apart by the mob, you know, right.

Speaker 1 (02:14:20):
Oh you know it's a good, good the internal affairs thing. Yeah,
a mission impossible confession revealed.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
Oh I was going to bring that up. Oh my god,
so funny.

Speaker 1 (02:14:32):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like did you get that?

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
Yeah, we break a few loss did you get that?
And then what is it like like yeah, osha standards
right oh man. Yeah, Like like off the top of
my head, there's like five gags I can think of
where I'm like, oh, I want to see that again,
just to see that gag, you know, And that's one

(02:14:58):
of them. Yeah. Yeah, know, we were talking with Paul
Walter Houser. It's a good, good straight man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:03):
He had a funny moment. It almost reminded me of
the kind of humor O. J. Simpson was doing in
the Originals where he's like, Okay, well I've got to
go under cover as this like beer. Yeah, you know,
but then people are like, hey, man, can I have
a beer? It's like uh yeah, all right, And then
you cut back later, you know, and he's like really
doing the job, but he's like handing out beer to everyone,

(02:15:24):
including kids.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
Like a total nord Berg thing.

Speaker 1 (02:15:26):
Yeah, total Nordirg thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
Well that and even like the bit with the with
the electric car. Yes, yeah, you know, and he's getting
kicked around when he's beating up those kids. Yeah right right,
Oh man, that was hilarious. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:41):
Oh the claw machine thing was really funny. Yeah that
was good too.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
That's a total throwaway gag, right, yeah, that's that's totally
in the vein of the earlier films.

Speaker 1 (02:15:50):
Yeah, and that drops the car and everyone's like, oh oh.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
The runner about coffee, yes, yes, I love that. That's
the thing that you're probably not even really paying attention to,
but it happens so much.

Speaker 1 (02:16:06):
Yeah, they do it like one or two times where
it feels natural. Yeah, but then I think they give
him like an oversized cup of coffee and then it
becomes about like yeah, I think he sets it on
a table and there's like a hundred coffees on it. Yeah,
and then when he's driving, someone hands him a coffee
while he's driving. I wonder if they saw that gag
in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, where Willem Dafoe keeps getting handed coffee,

(02:16:27):
and if they're like, oh, no, oh, it's just one
of those funny things like great minds.

Speaker 2 (02:16:32):
Yeah, yeah, wow, Yeah, I'm glad to see it. It seems
to be doing okay.

Speaker 1 (02:16:39):
Hopefully this will be a word of mouth thing for sure.
I think it did sixteen million.

Speaker 2 (02:16:44):
Yeah, which I mean considering considering, like.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
Not, I wouldn't say that's terrible. I obviously you'd probably
hope for like a twenty or something, but like, hopefully,
it seems like everyone I've talked to enjoys it, and
so hopefully it gives it a little I hope Paramount
doesn't jump the gun and just throw this onto streaming
like two weeks. I hope they like, give it, let it,
let it have some legs, because I think this is
a movie that could.

Speaker 2 (02:17:06):
I I absolutely think that, and I don't I don't
think there's anything really playing for the next several weeks,
you know, exactly, this is like the right moment and
and it's so short that I think that that's gonna
be something that that gets.

Speaker 1 (02:17:17):
People into theaters totally.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
Oh it's just ninety minutes. You can just you know, yeah,
you know, it's it's weird, how like sometimes that longer
movie is a deterrent as much as anything else.

Speaker 1 (02:17:27):
H you know, oh preach brother. Oh you know. It's
a good gag too. Was when the car Dreven's car
has been taken over. Oh that is gonna right, and
so other than like the windshields like breaks, but then
the car gets filled up with balloons and bees and
then you see these guys and usually it's like a
plate of glass windshield, but it's a windshield. And then

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like reattaches itself to the car and seals them back in.
That's a great gags, so funny.

Speaker 2 (02:18:00):
Oh my god, see I know that after I get
off this call, like eight more things I had meant
that that's the.

Speaker 1 (02:18:08):
That's what makes it great, right, because then you can
watch it a couple of times because you're just gonna forget.

Speaker 2 (02:18:14):
I like the thing when when and Pam Anderson is
first in his office and he looks in the window
and he sees her outline right right right, and he
opens it and it's just like a like a mop
or something, you know, right right, And then when she
when she leaves, he's got like his internal monologue, oh yes, yes,
and then everybody else's internal monologue that's like.

Speaker 1 (02:18:38):
He's like, hey, guys, it's just such like a dumb
joke too, where trying to make up her name as
cover when she's going to hang out with the villain,
and so he's looking around the room. He kind of
like that wrongly accused gag. It's totally that, but it's
you know, the Cherry Roosevelt fat poso eating spaghetti. So
then for the rest of the movie, the villain is

(02:19:00):
just like miss Spaghetti, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:04):
The whole thing when when Drebin like goes into his
lair and he's just beating up those guys and they're
all lined up. Yeah yeah, crack me up, you know,
and there's like the now serving number whatever, and it
keeps every time he punches them in the he knocks
them out, you know. Yeah, yeah, you know, I would
love to see more of these.

Speaker 1 (02:19:23):
Oh man, I really hope yeah they keep doing this. Yeah,
this would be an easy thing. Like every well, I
say not an easy thing to write. It'd be really hard,
but like that's the thing. Yeah, it would be a
great thing, like every two years to have another one
of these.

Speaker 2 (02:19:37):
Totally right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So hey, two good movies
this week.

Speaker 1 (02:19:44):
Yes, I think if people see either of these they
will not be disappointed.

Speaker 2 (02:19:49):
I fully agree. Make it, make it a double feature,
what the hell?

Speaker 1 (02:19:52):
Yeah? Sure, I mean, but if you swush these two together,
they're probably still shorter than some of them. Three our
movies we've been getting recently.

Speaker 2 (02:20:01):
Well, we got we got Avatar coming up soon. That's
gonna be however long, right.

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
Yeah, did you say the way? Well, I quick I
complained about length felt a lot a movie.

Speaker 2 (02:20:12):
It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion
in the ocean exact.

Speaker 1 (02:20:15):
Get Yeah, I mean like a lot of movies earn
that length for sure, you know what I mean, Like
they use every minute and you don't think about the
running time. But sometimes I think, when I feel like,
all right, I've got to watch this for the show
or we're gonna do this commentary or whatever, I just
sometimes I'll see the length and I'll be like I'll.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
Feel well to that point, uh, you know, the I
think The Avatar Fire and Ash trailer is a good example,
at least for me. I had this. I don't know
about you, but it started and I was like, Oh,
we're doing more of this?

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
Huh really?

Speaker 2 (02:20:46):
And then and then it ended, I was like, oh,
we're doing more of this, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:51):
Yeah, I think I've I've understand my relationship to those
movies now, oh, absolutely, Like I'm not gonna watch them
at home, yep, but I will be there probably opening
weekend and completely wowed, right, you know, and then I
won't watch it again, and then I'll go show up
for the next one and enjoy it, like and think

(02:21:11):
it's very cool.

Speaker 2 (02:21:13):
Yeah. That's basically where I'm at. And that was my
entire emotional journey just during that trailer, right, I'm like, no,
I we know what this is, right, right, right. We
spent a big chunk of the you know, the first
decade of this show being like who cares about another Avatar? Right?

(02:21:33):
And I think at this point we're a little bit
older and wiser, right, we realized that a lot of
people do.

Speaker 1 (02:21:40):
Actually, yeah, oh my goodness, I mean, isn't it funny
how quaint it is now to think back when people
were like, I don't know, Cameron, Yeah, Cameron, Cameron never loses,
but this could be his first loss.

Speaker 2 (02:21:51):
Yeah, you know, and then it'd be how foolish we
all were.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
Yeah. Well, and he was like, if this movie's going
to be profitable, it has to become at least the
second ice grossing movie of all time. You're like, who
says that? Yeah, you know, and then it becomes the
number one grossing movie of all time, you know. Okay, okay,
foiled again.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
Yeah, well, I will be talking about that in a
few months.

Speaker 1 (02:22:14):
We will.

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
In the meantime, Hey, we'll be back soon with a
commentary track.

Speaker 1 (02:22:19):
Oh, I'm very excited about this next week.

Speaker 2 (02:22:21):
It'll be a fun one, so look for listen for
that soon.

Speaker 1 (02:22:25):
Yep, yep.

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