Ep. 327: One Battle After Another

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome friends, Its come movie Podcast Podcasting time show Jack again.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Bye, they're talking movie down back.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three twenty seven, brought
to you by Mister Boy Productions. I am Zaki has Son.
I'm here with Brian Hall.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, how's it going, Zachie.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yes, and I saw that we have some new subscribers
this week as well, so we are very grateful for
your support. And as long as we're talking a little
shop here. At the top of the episode, Zakie and
I wanted to share that this podcast was actually nominated
for an award recently.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, we uh the Hollywood Creative Alliance called ASTRA. They're
having a podcast awards the end of October this year,
and so they put out a bunch of categories podcasts
that have been nominated Best Science Podcast, Best True Crime Podcast,
and we got nominated for Best Member Podcast because we

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are both members of ESTRA. So I was surprised and honored.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yeah, it's very exciting, and you know, whether we win
or lose is irrelevant. Being nominated is more than I
would have expected.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I know that's sort of the cliche, right, it's just
an honor to be nominated, but it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I feel very.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Like I said, I was sort of surprised and also flattered,
and it's nice to be recognized. There's a lot of
really great podcasts that are also nominated here, and so yeah,
I was. I was very proud and just thought we'd
share that.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, and we'll speaking of sharing, what movies have you
had a chance to see recently?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You know, I mostly have been watching older films recently,
and as I've been talking about, the Regal Theater by
my house, they're doing something called Month of Masterpieces, which
wraps up today. We're recording September thirtieth, So for every
day in September pretty much, they showed a classic film
in the evening and I tried to see as many

(02:21):
as I could, and so just real quick, I'll run
down the final ones that I was able to check out.
I saw for the first time Cinema Paradiso.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, seen this movie long time ago. Okay, so I
saw it in Marco's class.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Actually, yeah, right, I mean, this is like a classic
film from nineteen eighty eight that I feel like with
film lovers cinophiles. It's much beloved, and I've just never
really come across it. I've not I don't know, I've
never seen it. I don't remember it at the video store,
I stream it. I just don't. I just know that
it's beloved, and so when I saw that it was playing,

(02:58):
I was really excited to check it out. Do you
remember your feelings on it?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Did you like it? I remember not being crazy about it,
but I was admittedly a punk kid.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know, this movie is very hyped, Yeah, and so
I was sort of going in expecting to see like
my new favorite movie in a way, and I will
say I really enjoyed it, But it also was like, oh,
so that's what this is, you know, Like I didn't
know quite what to expect. I thought it was going
to be sort of about like a boy and his

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mentor you know, like it's basically it takes place in
I want to say nineteen forties Italy. I think, and
I say, I think about the year, and this rascal
of a boy is obsessed with movies and so he
wants to be up in the projection booth, and this
grizzled older guy is running the booth showing the films.

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But the boys like handling all the film and you know,
holding up to the light and just just enamored with
just film in general. And they eventually do develop a
bit of a bond. And but what I didn't expect
is it's really about this boy's entire life, because then
he becomes a teenager and he falls in love, and

(04:15):
you know, there's a whole it's it's very episodic, right,
like how is he gonna win the girl over? And
that's an episode. And then eventually he goes and joins
the military, and that's an episode. And then he becomes
a man, and you know, here's what happened to the projectionist.
And and so I was like, oh, you know, I
was truly just taking it as sounds like kind of
kind of a Last Action Hero type thing. Yeah, wouldn't

(04:39):
it be funny Last Action Hero? Like Schwarzenegger was like, well,
clearly this is a remake of cinema parodiso.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
You know, I'm just like, I love I thought, I
want to imagine that Last Action Hero started as an
American remake of Cinemon parodis so and through the notes process.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
They were the notes process, Yes, yeah, so I like
an assas with a fake eyeball that's actually an explosive
And then people are like, you know, I like we
were heading, this is heading in a good direction.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
We need we need a cartoon cat in here. Can
we work that in? You know?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
But yeah, again, I didn't know a lot about this,
but as it was going along, I was like, Oh,
clearly this is like the filmmaker's life story, you know,
sort of interpret probably you know, fixed a little bit
to be more of a film. But I was like, oh,
this is coming from a very personal place, and I
think you can feel that because the locations, like the town,

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the theater itself, the characters are like so lovingly rendered
that I feel like that's what I really took away
from the movie, you know, Like, I don't know that
it's something I will watch again, but I did think
it did a really good job of evoking like a
really nostalgic, lovely feeling just about life, life and a

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town and the people you meet in your life, and
especially some you know, from the point of view of
someone who's just in love with films, and films are
a part of their life through all of that. So
it was interesting and I really appreciated that that was
one of the movies that they put into theaters. Very
cool for one night. Yeah, real quick, I'm going to

(06:20):
get back to that with a little aside, But real quick,
I'll also say I saw Casablanca, which I think you
and I are probably very familiar with. Yeah, it's a masterpiece.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's incredibly written, incredibly acted, incredibly well shot. The camera
work and blocking is just masterful in that movie. And
it's just like a world, a place, a time just
come alive and it's incredible love story. If anyone hasn't
seen Casablanca, do yourself a favor and check that out.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
The first of all, I very much look forward to
doing a commentary track with you one of these days.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
But one thing I always, because I screened that in
my in my history of cinema classes, the thing that
always is remarkable to me, Ma cosa Blanca. It is
essentially a perfect movie.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
But what is so remarkable is we watch that movie
now with you know, nearly a century of hindsight and
able to view to view it in its historical context, right,
like the context of what came after, So you're able
to view the fight. Welcome to the fight. We know

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it's a fight that they are going to win. Victor
Lazlo goes to fight against the Nazis, and we know
that even if he you know, whether it involves him
or not, the Nazis will be defeated. That when it
came out the war was going on. Yeah, yeah, they
had no idea what was going to happen.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, what is that? Nineteen forty two? Yeah, they had
three more years of war left.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Crazy, that is really wild, you know. Yeah, yeah, I
did think about that while I was watching it, because
you know, we didn't really get involved in the US
and get involved to like thirty nine or something, right,
so it's like it's right or no, no, forty one
right the Pearl Harbor. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
I just I was like, Wow, this came together really quickly,

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and it's just amazing when you see these movies, a
lot of classics, I mean, this doesn't always happen. That's
why these movies have endured. But some of these movies
they come together so fast and then their masterpieces that
live forever and you're like, wow, how did that just
I don't know, the alchemy was perfect and it just
was meant to be or something. Yeah, let's see what else.

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I saw two thousand and one, which, you know, I
realized I've only ever seen that movie in a theater
several years back.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Not a bad way to have experienced that movie.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
No, I think that's easily the best way to experience
this way.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
I saw it for the first time a couple of
years ago or several years ago, because I had not
seen it before and it was playing in a theater
and I was like, oh, well, what an opportunity. And
it was one of those movies. When it ended, I
was like every you know now and then in your
life you're like, where has that been my whole life?
Like that. I can't believe I'm only seeing this for
the first time now, and anytime I've had a chance,
I have gone to check it out. And I almost

(09:23):
didn't go because I was going like almost every other
night to the theater watching these movies and I'd seen this before.
But I was like, no, why would I turn down
an opportunity for this? And oh, it's just staggering. It's
just staggering. I love this movie so much. It's it's
like a visual poem, you know, more than it is
really a traditional narrative film. And I think for me,

(09:47):
I've seen it a couple of times. I've read the book,
which is a really I highly recommend it for people
who are fans of the movie because the book was
written alongside the screenplay, like Kubrick and Clark were writing him,
you know, the thing, side side and leaning on one another.
So it's it's not like someone summing up the movie.
It's it's additive. And so anyway, I'm pretty steeped in it.

(10:08):
I have a good handle on what the story is,
as esoteric as it is. And but it was funny
because when it ended, the guy next to me literally
it was like what was that abouts when the lights
came up, and I was like, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no,
this is this is kind of a confusing movie, you know.
But what I tell people is like, it's it's really

(10:29):
best to view at almost like wandering through an art museum,
you know, right, because there is a narrative that you
can pick up there, and it's really more something that
you feel your way through. It's sort of like Tenet, right,
like trying not to think about it, just feel your way.
But but I say the art museum thing, because so
many shots are very very long and they linger for
a very long time of you know, like a space

(10:53):
transport landing and it'll be like a minute and a
half shot. But you need to like look at it
and drink it in. And you look to the left
and go, oh, in that spaceport there's like four windows
with like actual people moving around in it. That's amazing.
How did they do that? And then you know, you
look at all the nooks and crannies on the ship
and see all the gears that are moving when it lands,

(11:16):
you know, like it's suspension, and it's just it's gorgeous.
It's just a movie you drink in. And if that
sounds tedious, it may not be for you. But like
I love it and I was so thankful I got
to see it again. And then finally I saw Chinatown
last night with Bushy and I'm just real quick. I mean,

(11:37):
it's a great movie. Definitely when you need to separate
the art from the artist.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Of course, with regards to Roman Plants, Roman.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Plan Ski, Yeah, but it's incredible scripts great noir. You know,
it's it's a bummer of a film, but it's very
well done and it's very cool to just see like
a twisty turney La new r story you know, of
detected well, and you.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You watched that at least for me, right, because I
probably saw it sometime in the mid nineties, and I'm
guessing like you, you know, my first real exposure to
Jack Nicholson was as the Joker. Oh, totally right, and
and so it for me, it wasn't until watching Chinatown
where I was like, oh, oh, this guy that this

(12:24):
is why he's a star.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a little more wiley, yeah or something.
You know, he's got that because I mean, for me,
most of his work lives you know, the Shining Onward
where he's a little older, a little uh kind of
kind of the Jack persona. Yeah, I was gonna say,

(12:45):
sort of, yeah, the there's like an inherent menace behind everything,
you know and whatever. But so it's and he's got
it a little bit in this too, but he's just
a little younger, a little more spry. So it's interesting
seeing that whatever that thing is that that he has
that those pointed our eyebrows and whatever. But in a
younger person, right, you know, who cracks a few more

(13:08):
jokes and smiles a little more often, you know, and
like it, and and you don't get the sense that
he's about to kill you, you know what I mean, Like
he's it is very interesting seeing him in that period
of his life.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I need I need to rewatch that.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, I mean, it's a it's an incredible script, and
it's it's funny too. Now that I'm older that I
realize that who framed Roger Rabbit as a riff on Chinatown?
Mm hmmm, yeah, it's a really funny idea.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Have you seen the sequel, The Two Jakes.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
No, I'm aware of it. I use it in cinemas. Yeah, sorry,
I was eating something, But no, is it good?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I haven't seen it. That's one of those like I'm
kind of wanting to revisit Chinatown just so I can
watch The Two Jakes, which Nicholson directed, Right.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
The Two Jakes.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, I think it's the only movie is direct And I.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Think, yeah, you know, I mean, why not, right, I mean,
having just spent time with this character, I'd be curious
to see where they go next.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I think, yeah, well, you know it kind of we
were just talking about two thousand and one, right, and
that movie has a sequel, twenty ten, Yes, which I.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Plan to revisit because now that this is fresh in
my head, it's fresh.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
In your mind, right, And I've always admired that movie,
and I often say the only thing going against it
is it's the sequel to two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, And I feel like the two Jakes might be
a similar situation. Maybe, I mean, I don't know, maybe
it's you know, it stinks on ice. I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know heard that expression. But I love it.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I think it's a thing.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
No, I believe you. I just I love that, and
that's something I'm going to incorporate. Wow, okay, no, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
I don't know. I had read I was going through
all the trivia last night after watching it, and apparently
it was a planned trilogy, like we're going to make
several stories about get Us. Yeah, I have a character,
but I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
The second one. It took so long to get up
and going, and then it didn't do particularly well.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah. Well, what I like about it, too, is not
just the revisiting the character, but it was always going
to be a story about Los Angeles also, right like
I think, I don't think it's about land. One of
them was going to be about land, the Chinatown's about water.
I'm not sure what the second one's about. But I
just like that idea, you know, California history, infrastructure, sort
of being part of this mystery, you know that he

(15:33):
gets involved in I'll talk. Okay, one more movie and
then an anecdote I want to share real quick. But
occasionally I listened to the blank Check podcast where they
go through director's filmographies, and right now they're doing the
Cohen Brothers and it's, you know, shining a light on
some gaps I have in their filmographies. And so I've

(15:55):
been watching those and enjoying that. And so I watched
Intolerable te Okay for the first time. Have you seen
this movie? I mean, this came out in the two thousands,
This is like two thousand and three. George Clooney, catherine' zada.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Jordan's Yeah, so I was trying to place it. Yeah, Okay,
I haven't seen it, but but I remember when it
came out.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Well I don't know if you remember, but when it
came out most people didn't like it. Yeah, critics were
a little hard on it. I think Cohen fans, I
think what it was. It was sort of marketed as well,
It's like George Clooney, Catherine Zeta Jones and a zippy
romantic comedy. That's right, you know, and it's not exactly that,

(16:39):
And I think Cohen people were probably like, well, this
isn't exactly what I expect from the Cohens either, So
it landed in this weird middle ground. So I went
I watched it just because I wanted to listen to
that podcast episode, knowing that most people didn't really enjoy it,
and I was surprised I really enjoyed it. I think
I liked it for the reasons I just said, like,
it is a little zippier and flirty and kind of

(17:04):
romantic then a lot of Cohen movies. But it also
takes some turns and there's like, you know, your random
act of nihilistic violence that he comes out of nowhere,
and you're like, yep, I recognize that, you know. And
I thought they were really fun characters and the way
it's basically about a divorce attorney and a gold digger client.

(17:30):
Basically who become enamored with one another, Like she keeps
marrying people to steal their money and he keeps representing
like the men. But he's like falling in love with
this woman because she's just so interesting and sharp, and
he kind of admires her. And they have this really
fun interplay and it just it's like ninety minutes. It's

(17:50):
got some gags that made me laugh out loud. It's
got a little bit of the darkness on the edges,
And when it was over, I was like, what do
he aren't? So I don't know, I felt like I
had to call that out for anyone.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I'm sure there's folks listening who have avoided it for
reasons of its reputation, who might give it a look.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Now, Yeah, I'd be very curious. It would love for
people to write in if they watch it and what
they think if maybe I'm wrong, but so real quick,
I have to tell this story. So at the beginning
of the month, my pal Michael and I went to
go see Interstellar as part of the regal month of Masterpieces.
And if you recall, that movie is freaking loud. YEP,

(18:32):
it's mixed intentionally that way, like blowing blow out the
speakers loud. And when I think of that movie in
its first run, I remember I was lucky enough to
see it at the DGA, and no one was there
to speak afterwards. And what I remember about that now.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
You will call him mister president.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Oh, yes, right of the DGA.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
He's now the president of the DTA.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, but I remember that night. My ears hurt from
seeing it in that theater, and I was like, this
is like, why why would you do that? Anyway, So
watching it at the Regal, it wasn't as painful as
I remembered it, but it was very loud, you know,
blow the speakers loud. And I look and I look

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over and Michael took his air pods out and he
put them in his ears, and I just thought he
was kind of muffling a little bit. But late after
the movie he goes, you know what you can do
is because there's these settings, right, you have noise canceling
adaptive and transparent and so transparent as you can stick
them in your ears, but you're hearing everything the way
that it's supposed to be. Noise canceling self explanatory, but

(19:36):
the adaptive kind of evens out like if something's too loud,
it brings the volume down, or if something's kind of quiet,
I think it brings it up a little bit. And
I was like, well, I'll be darned. So anyway, I'm
watching Cinema Paradiso, which from nineteen eighty eight. It's the
sound isn't great. It's very trebly, very tiny, and it

(19:57):
was super loud, like too loud, like it was a
mistake how loud they had it. And I thought, oh,
I'm gonna pull out my AirPods. So I put the
air pods in. I put it on adaptive, and dude,
it was like levelated, like no kidding, it was incredible,
like it's still it wasn't quiet, like it didn't sound muffled.

(20:19):
I got used to it pretty quickly and I just
enjoyed the movie. And when it ended, I literally saw
people walking out with their fingers in their ears as
the credits were playing, and like because it was hurting
their ears. And so I pulled the air pods out,
and I kid you not, it went from like like

(20:40):
really really loud, and I was like that it's been
like that the whole time, you know, I couldn't imagine
having sat there for over two hours, you know, and
during that So anyway, I thought that was an incredible trick.
I have to pass it along for anyone who finds
themselves in the theater where something's just too loud, or
even at a concert. You know, I've been at concerts

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that are calibrated well in others where I'm like, oh
I am losing my hearing tonight, and just putting in
your ear pods, not just you know. It's one thing
to put in the those little foam earplugs, which worked
well too, of course, but to put these in and
it's actually like digitally manipulating and sort of preserving some

(21:22):
sound quality but also making sure that it's not killing
your ear drums. Pretty amazing, and so I almost always
have them in my pocket when I watch movies. So
I just felt like it was worth sharing.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, there you go, and now here is an ad
from Apple AirPods.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Probably yeah, yeah, or here's from Google.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
We should get paid for what you just said, right,
But it came from the heart.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
It did, damn it, and it's worth sharing. I don't
care if I'm not getting paid. If I'm saving people's
ear drums out there, it's worth it.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
And now is this only like recent air pods versus.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
I don't know for certain, I don't think. I don't
know for certain. I'm not sure like first generation, if
they had the settings, they have the little rubber tips
on the end so they fit even more snugly into
your ear, the ones that I have, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Sure where that is from. But well, well there we go.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Hey cool, Hey Brian, we got some listener letters.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
You have been looking for eighteen thousand, all addressed.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
You've got me. I love that music.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Good, I'm so glad.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I'm like sitting here bopping my head.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I enjoyed too.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
So here's the note we got from Mark le Chanson.
This is this is on Facebook in regards to our
recent depo about the passing of Robert Redford and other
things that are going on right now. And Mark says,
a great episode. Your discussion of the Tom Hanks and
Jimmy Kimmel situations was the most thoughtful one i've heard. Oh,
thank you. He continues, I also really enjoyed the tribute

(23:17):
to Robert Redford. I always wonder why Jeremiah Johnson always
seems to get overlooked when discussing his filmography, as I
feel it's one of his best performances. Lastly, when it
comes to box office numbers, wouldn't a better metric be
how many tickets the film actually sold versus gross As
ticket prices continue to increase as a result of inflation.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Box office Mojo's like, shut up.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
See, I do wonder about that though, I mean, is
that a good metric, because I just feel like the
there is no good comparison from time now versus time
of your because everything's different, right, Like the number of
tickets sold was a reflection of the fact that people
less distractions.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Sure, there will always be an asterisk, yeah, involved, I mean, well,
I do think that's interesting though, that would be I
would think that's interesting to have that in addition to
sure on the spreadsheet.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, it's it's it's a tricky yeah, you know. Yeah.
With with regards to to Redford, you know, Jeremiah Johnson
is is the one surprisingly I've heard, like the most
people like talking about that's so interesting. I didn't even
write that movie existed, Like I knew it existed, and
I like it. I like, I think it's good, you know,

(24:39):
but but it's it is interesting to me. That that
one has come up a lot recently when when people
are going through their their Redford uh you know remembrances.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Well, I definitely want to check it out now. And
I was going to say I was really pleased to
see how many people were bringing up sneakers as sort
of a you may have I missed this one, but
you know, this is a real gem you're missing out
on because obviously we agree. But it's occurring to me
now that that could just be my algorithm. Maybe everyone's
algorithm is sort of tailored to the movies they tend

(25:11):
to favor.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
All trapped them on the algorithm. And and you know,
with regards to the the the Tom Hanks and Jimmy
Kimmel's story, which we discussed on our last episode, you know,
this has been I should say, it has been very
gratifying the feedback we've gotten with regards to how we
tried to tackle all that stuff, all this as I

(25:33):
sort of broadly gesture at you know everything, it's it's
tough because this is not and I think answering for Briana.
This is not a political show. Uh, nor will it
become a political show. But I feel like there are

(25:54):
things that, you know, culturally sort of intersect with politics
that are relevant to what we do cover on this show.
And then it's like, well, we do kind of have
to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, I agree with everything you just said. And you know, yeah,
I only hoped that it's like we were processing, you know,
and I was hoping that it was we were processing
in a way that people could process along with us.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, worth mentioning. I mean the Kimmel thing, Like I
predicted on our show that he would be back like
this week as we're recording. Yeah, and so he actually
came back earlier than I expect. I never I never,
not never, But I to me, it was the least
likely outcome was him just straight up not coming back.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Yeah, you know, based on just everything we knew at
the time that said. Did you watch his opening monologue
from the evening that he did come back? I did.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
I did.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, Well you're not alone. It was viewed by six
million people. Yeah on linear that's just linear TV. Wow,
because it was like, by by the morning on YouTube
it had been watched like sixteen million times.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh wow, it was terrific.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I gotta say, I I I was.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Thinking the pressure, you know, like to come back and
have to cover so many bases. Yeah, you know, and
and still sort of I don't know, stand your ground
a little bit, but also I don't. He just had
so much territory to cover, and I thought he did
it brilliantly.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
He really did. He navigated a lot of you know,
a sort of rhetorical land mines with dexterity, and and
I think the point he made about, you know, look,
this show is not important, but it's important that we'd
be able to have shows like this that really hit

(27:51):
for me.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yep, yep, you know, and it is.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
You know, just just this morning, I saw a headline
on Fox News Kim has lost more than sixty percent
of the audience that tuned in for that, you know,
that his comeback show, you know, as if it's like
what a staggering failure he is. And I'm like, well,
who expected he was going to keep that audience that
was like his second highest audience ever.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
You know what, I heard this very specific, but I
heard Steve Martin's in Planes, Trains and Automobile's voice after
John Canty, He's like, we've been robbed. He's like, do
you think so.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Right? I mean that's not the dunk you think it is,
because because it was always going to settle. Now, the
only question is where it would settle. And I suspect
I haven't looked, but I suspect he's probably settled a
little bit higher than the level he had before. But
you know he was doing okay.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, and even if he went right back to where
he was, yeah, yeah, whatever, you know. I mean, that's
I don't expect like the whole nation now to suddenly
watch it every night, you know.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
It's yeah, It's just it is. You know, some of
some of the conversation I've seen with regards to all
of this as like, you know, first of all, there's
the completely disingenuous thing. It's like, well, a private company
has the right to do whatever they want, and it's like, yes,
if that, if it happened in a vacuum, there might
be plausible deniability, but we know the sequence of events

(29:13):
that led to this. But the other thing I'm seeing
a lot of is like, you know, late night TV
didn't used to be like this, and it's not even
people talking about like Johnny Carson, like David Letterman was
never political. I'm like, really, yeah, did you watch David Letterman. Yeah,
I know, right, Like, I'm like, look, Leno, this is
the thing. This is the first time we've had a

(29:37):
situation where a president is like, don't make jokes about me,
and then then everybody on his team lines up behind him.
It didn't used to be that way because guess what,
whether it was Johnny or Jay Leno or or you know, Letterman,
iitting whatever, guess what they made jokes about whoever happened
to be president at the time. And how many years

(30:00):
of material did Lano get out of Monica Lewinsky that scandal,
you know, totally totally a lot of it, by the way,
not funny, especially in hindsight.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, yeah, like very cruel.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
You know. So it is weird that we're at this
point where it's like, suddenly, now these these things that
we think of as a given our points of conflict.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I know, I know, you know, thinking about it now,
I haven't watched it. I watched it like a week ago.
But the thing that I really loved about it that
he mentioned was the fact that when this happened, it
wasn't just people he would usually think of as allies
becoming his defense. It was people who he's you know,
very publicly they are opposed to one another, like people

(30:47):
like Ted Cruz or Tucker Carlson were all coming to
Kimmel's defense, right, And obviously there's you know, he could
make a joke about that, but I thought it was cool.
He was very sincere in saying like, well, isn't that
isn't that something you know, like if there's like if
this can be like one inch that we move closer

(31:08):
to one another about what we have in common, then
that's a good thing. And that I was like, beautiful
beautifully said.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, yeah, let's find the things we can agree on
and at least start working towards that.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Anyway, So thank you Mark and so many people, I
mean really like the amount of feedback that we got
with regards to that conversation was very heartening because you know,
I don't mind saying, you know, Brian, you and I
were both kind of like, you know, are we are
we tackling this topic as thoughtfully as we can?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Is this even like I mean, do we have a lane?
Are we veering out of our lane a little bit? Yeah?
It was very yeah, encouraging and appreciated people taking the
time to actually reach out and share that they exactly
that conversation.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Well, speaking of the whole Kimmel thing, here's a comment
we got on YouTube. This is from Luke's mail twenty
four and he says, guys, you really helped me mentally
with the conversation on the Charlie Kirk aftermath and Jimmy Kimmel.
I work in media and had to work on the
funeral last week as well as the Kimmel situation, and
I'm currently on stress leave after having to work on
it for days. Wow, and get this, I live in Australia. Oh,

(32:28):
he's dealing with it there, He says. We get Trump
on the front page of our news websites and newspapers,
et cetera every day, so I can only imagine how
things are over there.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
No, it's just like that, he says. I share a
lot of your feelings on the situation where I was
disgusted by people celebrating Kirk's death, but at the same time,
the weaponization of his death was so appalling to me
that I really can't believe the moment we're in. Really,
my question to America regarding Trump is how the f
aren't you guys sick of this. Yet Trump was elected

(32:59):
the day my son was born in twenty sixteen. Man,
the nurses were crying that day, and I don't think
they were happy tears. And honestly, isn't anyone else just
sick of hearing from the US president every waking moment?
Now that, right, there is a statement that should be
applicable regardless of one's politics, right Ryan, Yeah, oh yeah,

(33:21):
just doesn't matter. I don't want to just be quiet,
go do your job.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that when Biden was
in office. And I'm not saying, you know, good or bad,
but I just remember there were stretches where we didn't
hear anything from him for a while, and people were like,
isn't this nice.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Meanwhile, a couple of weeks ago, we hadn't heard from
Trump in a few days, and people were asking, unironically,
is he dead?

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, that's kind of like a well, it's not like Craywolf.
But I was gonna say, yeah, if you just get
so used to one sort of mode, yeah, I know,
he goes on.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
It says something when all the comedians from Late Night
TV rallied around one of their own when they're technically rivals.
So if they can do it, why can't politicians grow
backbones to do the right thing. So, yeah, whilst this
is a movie podcast, I think politics and movies have
always gone together, despite what a lot of people online
nowadays say, mister Smith goes to Washington. Anyone ever seen

(34:16):
that movie with Charlton Heston and Monkeys? No, I don't
know what that was. Sure sounds intriguing, though, So I
think your conversation was very apt and really helped me mentally,
knowing that other people that are just so over the
toxicity of it all finally on behalf of the rest
of the world. I'm sorry your president had to walk
up escalators at the un I believe Amazon is using

(34:41):
this tragic story as the basis for their first double
seven movies, so that's good.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Denny was like, hey, I like the sound of that.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
You know, I saw a meme somebody's like, live your
life in such a way that if the elevator stops
when you're on it, you don't assume it's because people
hate you.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's that's pretty It's a good axiom there.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
I like that. You know, this just gets to the
broader thing about everybody being so just like people are
living online and and they're they're filtering online concerns into
the real world, and that's manifesting in all kinds of
kakaminey ways. Right, the other day, you know, I don't
know if you saw, you know, Pete hag Seth and

(35:24):
the president they gave like an addressed all the generals.
Did you see this? I did?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
So there was one piece that kind of stuck out
to me, which was heg Seth, Who's like, this guy's
planning to run for office or something, right, and he's like,
to our enemies, I say, f a f O and
there's a silence, just like just I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
It wasn't that like some like pop band in the
early two thousands mfl.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
So, So FAFO is online parlance for f around find.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Out, Ah, gotcha got you guys. See.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
So the fact that you didn't know that shows me
that you're you have like a healthy amount of online exposure. Right.
But that's very revealing, is my point, right, Because he
thought it was like a mic drop moment. Everybody's right,
And I was thinking, I was like, to me, that's like,
you know, if you're like too, you know, if you're

(36:23):
in a speech, you're like, I y K y K right,
which is if you know, you know right, yeah, And
so it's this weird thing like like that to me
is indicative of somebody who is just getting their brain
is getting microwave by whatever the hell the online discourse
is to the point where you think that that's that's

(36:45):
gonna you know that this roomful of generals is going
to rise to their feet and hoist you on their
shoulders after that, you.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Know, yeah, it's it's revealing.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
So here's another comment that we got from from Luke's
mail twenty four on on YouTube, and this was with
regards to our commentary track for Rambo First Blood Part two,
which we dropped it oh last last spring. So he says,
if only Sheriff Teazel would have let him cross that
bridge for a sandwich, then the Russians would still be
in Afghanistan. That's what you said, Brian, Yeah, And he

(37:16):
says that comment from Brian made me spit my water
on my monitor at work. It's kind of true. If
if not for Brian Denne. He you know, it turns
out he helped defeat communism. Little did he know at
the time he says a really great call. I grew
up in the eighties and vividly recalled just how big

(37:37):
this film was. The frustrating thing for me as a
fan of Stallone's work is that I really think he
plays vulnerable like very few other action stars can, and
yet he only ever seems to want to play it
very rarely. And that is so true. Yeah, right, A
lot of the time he goes for the generic tough
guy role, or I should say went for I guess

(37:57):
Beck in his prime, right when we've seen and be
really good doing drama within an action piece, like obviously
the first two Rockies, First Blood and Copland. Even in
Cliphinger say, I was gonna bring this up. Even in Clifhanger.
The best thing about his character was how he self
doubts himself in the first half. I don't know why
he bothers with things like escape Plan three. Yeah, that's true.
There's there's two unfortunate sequels to the pretty good Escape Plan.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
You know what's funny, It's makes me realize. I mean,
there's just these trends that happen in movies.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
You look at the eighties and it was sort of
these action figure superheroes, and then in the nineties it
was people like Nicholas Cage, you know, can be action
heroes and they look like more like normal people and
they equip maybe a little bit more or they're self deprecating.
And then it was sort of grounding everything in a gritty,
grim reality, you know, in the early two thousands, like

(38:52):
your Takens or your Dark Knights. And now it seems like,
you know, you have people like the Rock or Jason
Statham are now stallone slipped into it where it's like
heroes never lose a fight, so then there's no stakes
or tension throughout your entire action film. You know, it's
kind of funny, it's very true. You know.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Look I always say, like for me, like what makes
Rocky three such an effective film for me is when
Rocky loses it, when Mick dies, and you see this
peak into his vulnerability, and you know, I think that's
what we want to see. We want to see our
heroes bleed.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
Oh totally, totally.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
So he goes on, he says, thinking about why last Blood,
this is Rambo five, the final one seemed a lot
more disturbing than the previous films. This is Brian you
you might be able to relate to this is. I
think it was because the tone of that film seemed
to aim to be a lot more realistic, whereas the
other sequel seemed happy to be cartoonish. Yeah right, wouldn't

(39:54):
you say, I haven't watched the film since it came out.
You've seen it more recently than me.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, my memory is that. But it begins pretty grounded
and sincere, and then after Rambo's betrayed somewhere in the middle.
The last half of the entire movie is basically Rambo
setting up these elaborate, insane saw meats home alone style
booby traps, followed by like forty minutes of bad guys

(40:21):
walking into this deadly maze and getting creatively mutilated. So
he's like.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Running around, he's like more period morons, and then they
run into the.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
House right, right, right, and then he's ropes right, and
then the old beating heart cutout moment. That's right, that's right. Yeah,
you know, yeah, pretty intense.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You killed my heart, I'm gonna kill your heart whatever
the least is.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Oh, that's right, that's right. It's coming back to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Now you saw this movie like three months ago. It's
not even that the fact that I think vapor, you know, vapor. Yeah, yeah,
he says, here's a question for you guys. At First Blood,
which is really the other film in the series that
had a more realistic tone, had gone for the extreme
violence that Last Blood had, would it still be considered
a classic like it is now? I'm with Brian. The
walk home ending at the end of the fourth film

(41:16):
was the perfect ending, and it was the perfect place
to say goodbye to the character. That's a good question. Actually,
I don't. I don't know what the level of comfort
there was with violence at that time.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Wait, sorry, is this the first one First Blood or
first place?

Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's asking me about First Blood? Like if First Blood
was as violent as Last Blood.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Oh man, I wouldn't be the same thing at all,
because it's really he's on the defense in that movie.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, he himself only kills Yeah, one person.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
I want to say, yeah, And then like the you know,
like I'm thinking of when David Caruso gets like stabbed
in the leg or whatever. Like it's it's kind of intense,
but it really is like a more of a booby trap,
like trying to keep people at bay, like he's not,
you know, dreaming up all these crazy violent scenarios for
how he can like maime a body, you know what

(42:07):
I mean. So I just like all the the whole tone,
that motivation, everything just feels different in that movie to
me from live.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Now. Now that all being said, we haven't talked about this,
but this is appropriate. They just announced in the past
month that they have this Rambo prequel movie coming out. Oh.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I hadn't even heard about this. I knew there was
a movie being made about the making of Rocky.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Yeah, weirdly there's these two Stallone pseudo prequels coming. Yeah,
there is that. It's called I Play Rocky I think. Okay,
that's what it's called. And it's about Stallone trying to
get Rocky made, which is actually a great story for
a movie.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Oh that's fantastic. Yeah. I don't remember the actor who's
playing him, but I saw a picture and was like, oh, wow,
yeah you found them.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, I'm trying to jimmy the guys. Well, I say, oh,
they cast the guy who's gonna play who's gonna play
Carl Weathers. That's Stefan James. Okay, But to Anthony Polito, Hippolito,

(43:16):
Anthony Hippolito. Yeah, oh, I can totally see that.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Well, Separate to that, they have this other movie coming
out called John Rambo.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, and it's It's Rambo in Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
M okay, and.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
It's directed by Joel Marii Hilander, who did see.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Sue Okay, Okay, I've heard of that. I don't know
a lot about it.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I've heard good things about that. But look, just to
be clear, I am completely neutral on this. This is like,
you know, give me the good version. To quote Brian,
I can see the good version.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, you know, you're reminding me when they were talking
about making a John McLean like Diehard prequel, right, and
I remember most people were resistant to it, but there
was a small part of me that thought, I mean,
that would be interesting to see a younger version of
that character and what he's like as a cop in

(44:12):
New York, even though we do get a bit of
that in Diard three. But at the same time, the
real reason we love those movies are Bruce Willis and
Sylvester Stallone, you know, so, and also then it's gonna
be like a war movie. Interesting but I don't know.
That's not what I I know. That's what informs who
John Rambo is, right and who he is as he

(44:36):
exists in different stories post war. So I'm wondering what
are we going to gain by seeing him in the war?
I mean, is it going to be him in a
pow camp?

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Like what? That's the question, right, I mean one one
presumes it would have to be, right, Yeah, But the
actor they cast is Noah Senteneo, who actually, I gotta
say he's a pretty good choice. I can see him
as a young young Stallone.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
So there's two young actors out there that make for
great young Stallone's weird, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean the
Sippolito guy, like he he's got he's got the same
eyes as Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
No centennial, I can I can see him as a
young Rambo, you know. But yeah, to your point, I
would agree, Like if if the point is to go
from young optimistic John Rambo, you know, uh playing stickball,
you know in his neighborhood, and then which is I
assume teenagers did that in the seventies or whatever, and

(45:38):
then you guys want to play stickball.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I was just gonna say, John, it's time for Tenna,
lam let me play with the guys.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
So he's like he goes to Vietnam and then he's
he's weathered and war hardened over there. One presumes that's
the intent, right, sounds so sad. It kind of does,
and especially because I wonder, here's the thing, right, Like
Rambo at the start of First Blood is different from
Rambo at the end of First Blood if you remember, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(46:10):
right when we first see him, he's like smiling and
he's you know, so like he One presumes he's dealt
with some shit when he came home, but he's overall
like he's not like the husk of a man that
he is by the by the latter parts of the series.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, yeah, he gets like triggered right in the first one,
like something that he was not was not on the
surface in that moment gets activated exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
So you know, look, I I'm not willing to write
it off because I think there's the kernel of a
potentially interesting idea there. We'll see. What I don't want
is to for oh, let's just you know, keep this
gravy train going, because I think I can buy doing
like a prequel starring a younger actor. But as far

(46:57):
as I'm concerned, Sylvester stillone was Rambo Rambo Sylvester's alone,
and that's the end of it.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
I'm kind of same, right right.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
So thank you for that. Here's a note we got
from Alex Naom who says, good day, gents on this
finest of days where we celebrate Zachi's thirtieth birthday with
sixteen years experience. Alex wrote to me on my birthday,
which was last last week, and he says, and I

(47:25):
don't I'm at a point now where I no longer
acknowledge my birthday or we you know, we're at that
point now.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, yeah, did you wait? Well yeah, did you have
like a special dinner or did you have a cake
or I did.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
A whole bunch of nothing with a side and nothing. Yeah,
it was my kind of day.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, everything you hoped it could be.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
You know. The best thing was getting text messages from
people wishing me happy birthday. Honestly, it's very very thoughtful.
I never expect it, but it's always nice when people
think of you. This is me, you know, telling Brian like, yeah,
still waiting for my gift to arrive.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Texts are good, but text are cheap.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I still actually, just by chance, on my birthday, I
was wearing the shirt that you got me for my
birthday last year, and I didn't even realize it. It
was the music by John Williams.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Thing, yeah, oh that's right. Yeah, it looks like the
credit from the end of Star Wars with the Blue Years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
And I love like when people see it and like
recognize it. We share like a kind of a knowing nod.
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Isn't that the best when you're like out walking somewhere
and you see like a really niche shirt or something
and you can go, hey, I always make a point
to say something to people because I imagine it must
make them be like, hey, someone gets it. They get
the thing that I obviously care enough about to like advertise.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Did I ever tell you about this?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Is?

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Last time I was in Chicago. So a couple months ago,
I was I was in the city and I see
a guy where wearing a shirt. It's just a black
shirt with white texts that says remember that time RoboCop
shot that dude in the dick question mark. I was like, Oh,
what a specific shirt.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's really funny. It's very conversational. It would be funny
to like if he was wearing a hidden camera or something,
just to watch the reactions of people reading the text
on his shirt, and like some people like I do. Honey,
I do you know?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Alex says, before I had divulged my latest doings, I
hope you too are keeping well amidst all the chaos
around the world, as one was wondering how you plan
on celebrating the upcoming spooky season? Do you have any
TV shows and movies you'll be revisiting? And we'll come
back to his questions just a second, let me get
through this note. Alex says he's on his honeymoon. Congrats London, Congrats.

(50:00):
He says, I'm as shocked as you that she actually said. Yes. Well,
I'm not shocked at all, Alex. You know why, because
you listen to the show, you're obviously a man of
refined taste and unquestionable character. Not surprised at all, he says,
on this penultimate day of his honeymoon, it started with
a visit to a pizza hut buffet restaurant on the strand.
For decades, we've not had these in Australia. So nostalgia

(50:23):
pulled me in like a black hole and I just
had to go there. It seems, however, that you can't
always go home, because I'm sad to say the experience
left me a bit hollow. These restaurants were a haven
for me when I was a kid, being these expansive
culinary paradises. This one, though, was about a third of
the size of the ones I remember, and it reminded
me of the times you two have mentioned that now

(50:43):
derylk chopping wall in Chicago, you frequented as kids, and
how their glory days are but a distant memory growing up.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I know, dude, you know I've been seeing. First of all,
the amount of ai slop on Instagram has rendered that
site almost unusable. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of that too,
But I see what I see a lot of is
I saw one specifically just just yesterday the day before
where it's like, this is what life was like in
two thousand and two. I remember two thousand and two, Brian,

(51:14):
all those years ago, and it shows this kid, this
cgi freaking homunculous. You know what's that polar express looking kid,
but more more realistic now, which makes it more unnerving anyway,
walking through a Walmart excitedly and like pointing at the
aisle of the shelves and whatever, and I'm like, this

(51:35):
is we're doing this now, We're doing Walmart nostalgia now.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
I mean they still exist, you know, right, Aren't they.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Basically the same as they were like for twenty thirty years?

Speaker 2 (51:46):
That's my memory. I'm confused by that one. If they
had had that like smiley face bouncing around and hitting
the prices and the prices dropping. You know, do you
remember those ads?

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I remember that.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I'm trying to think of anything from the past. I
remember's listen.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I got, I got, I got nostalgia for days Son,
But nostalgia for Walmart. I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
No, yeah, I don't understand that. But I will say,
by the way, this is so funny that Alex said this,
because I went to the dentist the other day and
it was next to a pizza hut, and I thought,
when was the last time I saw a pizza.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Hut like a dine in pizza hut, or just like
a pizza hut in general.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
You know, that's a good question. I don't even know
because I didn't go in, but I was like, I
just haven't had it since I was a kid, and
I have so many great memories. I mean, you and
I there was a program called book It when they
were in school. It was like you read a certain
amount of books, you filled up a button with these stars,
and you could bring it into a Pizza Hut and
get a free personal pan pizza. So I was thinking like, oh,

(52:46):
maybe I'll go to pizza for lunch just to try
it again. So I didn't, And now I guess it's
a good thing I didn't see.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
I have very fond memories of like Pizza Hut, dine
in and just that whole experience and those cups that
you would get your soda in all the red. Yeah, yeah,
right exactly, And you know, there's just something about that experience,
which again, as far as I know, I mean, there's
no dyning in pizzas anywhere near me. I haven't had
the pizza. I think the pizza's probably still fine. I

(53:17):
would assume. I can't imagine it's that bad, but like,
you know, it's different when you're a kid, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, they also had arcade games.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
It felt a little more special. I think back then.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
See my association with Pizza Hut now as a grown
up is, you know, about twenty years ago or so,
a little over that. When I first moved to California,
I was working at Target. I was a manager of
the front lanes at Target, and so I worked my
eight hour shift and in the middle of my shift,
I would walk over to the in store Pizza Hut

(53:50):
and I would get, like, you know, one of those
those personal cheese pizzas. Yeah, they'd and it was like
they'd heat it up free and handed to me and
this is my life. And I'd say it was like
something out of an Alexander Payne movie.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
You know, that's so perfect.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I'm just sitting there staring at this personal cheese pizza
eating it, trying to trying to make the most out
of my half hour before I got to go back
to dealing with people wanting discounts and stuff. You know.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Oh my gosh, that was like the perfect analogy. Although
you know what now you're reminding me. I remember liking
their breadsticks a lot. Oh yeah, sure, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Their garlic bread was was what I with the cheese
on it. M that was the stuff. See, they had
pizza out in Taddi, Arabia when I was growing up,
so like a lot of fund memories of that.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, okay, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
But anyway, yeah, this is what they This is what
they took from us, Brian, I don't know what they is,
but that's the general tenor of these these things that
I'm seeing on Instagram. You know what. I'm realizing all
of this stuff, this is what we had and then
and then it's always they took it. And I'm like, you,
you just want to be a kid again. That's it,
I know, And that's fine. I understand that, but like

(55:03):
just admit that that's what you want. Yeah, yeah, because
it doesn't matter when you're a kid, you're always going
to be nostalgic for that.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah right, it's you know, I was watching this video
recently about about toxic nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
It's really interesting. You're talking about how, like, you know,
how studios really kind of weaponize people just our affinity
to want to revisit stuff from the past, and that's
how we get caught up in the cycle of just
reboots and legacy sequels and everything else, you know, and
how you get you know, for example, the Star Wars
sequels or whatever, and you know how so much of

(55:37):
that initial interest was sort of you know, in sequels
and prequels, right. It was like, oh, I want to
feel like I did when I was six, and you
never can, right, Yeah, and you know, all of this
stuff like there's a place for nostalgia, but we also technology.
It can it can get toxic, and we see all
the ways that can happen. Anyway, So I watched that,
and then, you know, completely unrelated to that video, a

(55:57):
new trailer drops for Tron areas, Yeah, and I'm like, hey, sweet,
let's watch this. And it starts with, you know, it
shows us scenes from the original Tron, you know, with
Jeff Bridges and the arcade, you know, and then it
shows Tron Legacy, and then it has the new a
scene from the new movie where you've got the Jared
Leto character meets Flynn played by Jeff Bridges, and he's like,

(56:19):
greeting's program whatever he says, and I'm like, hey, sweet Flynn.
And then suddenly I'm feeling really guilty for having that reaction.
I'm like, wait, am I part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
You're like, take me back? Oh wait, yeah. Yeah, that's amazing.
That movie exists, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
The Tron the new one?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Yeah? Yeah, man, I'm into it. By the way, I
just I can't believe, especially you know, in this well,
I'm actually gonna constradict myself. I was gonna say, IP,
day and age, but like like ips that you can
like fully bang on, you know, like the Marvels are
your start? Actually can you all right? You know what?

(57:02):
Everything I'm saying makes no sense. The world is upside down.
You sure to hit your waitresses walking away?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Alex continues, He says the day ended with a real treat,
the stage show of Back to the Future, the musical,
which you saw, right, you saw, ye, right? He says,
this is actually a pleasant surprise. I love the film
to bits, so hadn't expected to take clipse it. But
it was very inventive in the way it recreated the
driving effects and even recreated the shots of Duc hanging
from the clock tower and the flying car at the end.

(57:33):
I'm being coy with the specific details, so it's not
to spoil anything, but I highly recommend it. As always,
your show brings great joy every time. I bless my
ear holes with your soothing tones one. Uh, that's what
we're all about. We're all about ear holes here at
the movie film shows.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah but no. Yeah, it was pretty amazing the way
that they translated a lot of the action from Back
to the Future to the stage. It was, especially the
third act as pretty inventive and fun.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
When did you say you saw it like a year ago? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
About that? Okay, yeah, yeah, it's touring. I think I
keep seeing it pop up speaking again algorithm. It comes
up every now and then in my Instagram, and I,
as far as I can tell, it continues to tour.
So I could be coming to a town near you.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Do you see the posts in your Instagram and you're like,
this is what we had and they took it from us.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Yeah, yeah, every time.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
A year ago. Here's a note we got from Tyler Closter.
He wrote to us at Movie Film Podcast at Gmail
dot comedy. He says, this most definitely does not have
to be for the podcast since it's so late. You
don't tell us what to do, Tyler, We'll decide what
we put in here. Thank you very much. But I
have been running quite behind on movie filone commentaries and

(58:49):
finally got around to listening to your Wolfman commentary from
this past January. Hey, remember when we recorded a commentary
for the Wolfman. Yeah, that was a special to our
Patreon feed, although we can look for that to drop
on the regular feed just in time for Spooky Season.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, maybe a little gift around Spooky Sea.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Hopefully people like it, he says. I know, and this
was the nineteen forties wolf Man movie starring Lon Cheney Junior.
He says, I enjoyed it and wondered if Brian did
end up watching any more of the old Universal monster movies,
of which I'm a big fan. Like Zach, I would
especially love to hear what Brian thinks of the Frankenstein series.
So if you guys ended up doing commentaries for those,
I would gladly listen, If not the whole series, at

(59:28):
least the carl Off films, along with the Abbot and
Costello one and Young Frankenstein by mel Brooks. Did you
get around to watching any of those?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Young Frankenstein's probably the only Frankenstein movie I've seen.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Oh okay, you know what know?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
But going back, I think Alex was asking right about
what we're gonna watch to prepare for Spooky Season. The
real by my place is showing scary movies now every
night for the month of October, and longtime listeners will
know Zachi and I are not horror officionados. I think

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we like spooky stuff. We like creepy stuff. I like
thrilling stuff, but I don't like gory stuff. So there
were certain things where I was like, no, no, no,
But then you know there's some like creepier stuff in there.
I was like, no, I'm curious about that. And a
bunch of them are these classic monster movies. So I
was like, oh, perfect, I'll finally you know, like, have

(01:00:27):
no excuse, I can just go over there, sit down,
and and it's all of them. So yeah, I'm really
looking forward to doing that. I will be doing that
next month.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
So do you know which ones they're showing or.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
I don't have it off hand?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Okay, are they doing like multiple ones in one evening
because there were many of them are very short, you know, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
A good question.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
I do not know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Okay, I'm looking just give you a general idea of
some of the stuff that is playing a candy Man, Nightmare,
ELM Street screen, stuff like that. Some I like scream
and stuff, but they're showing the wolf Man, they're showing
the Invisible Man, They're showing Dracula, Frankenstein creature from the
Black Lagoon in three Day. Oh, that's interesting, the Mummy,

(01:01:14):
Bride of Frankenstein. Yeah, so perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Let me know, I'll tell you which ones are or
worth making the trip for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah. Great, And then of course, you know, I mean,
I assume Tyler's kind of referring to the fact that
I read Frankenstein for the first time this year and
really enjoyed it. So I'm looking forward to the Germo
del Torover Oh me too, Yeah, yeah, because it's supposed
to be pretty faithful to the book. And then did
you also did you see the trailer for the Bride
exclamation point?

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I saw that the trailer exists. I haven't seen the trailer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Line, okay, yeah, so I was like all the Frankenstein content.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Where we're just saying, that's like Christian Bale as the monster.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I think, correct. Yeah, and Jesse Buckley is the bride.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Okay, and that's mag Gillenhall directed it. Yeah, yep, okay, interesting. Yeah,
Well let me I'm very curious to know what you
think if you do end up diving through some of
those movies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I said no excuse,
and it's the perfect way to really just lock lock
in and enjoy them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I mean, definitely Invisible Man, Frankenstein, Brida Frankenstein, you got,
you got three good movies waiting for you. Okay. Uh,
Dracula is pretty rough, I would say, oh really, I yeah,
I'm not a big fan of the Dracula movie. Other
than the sort of Lugozi being iconic in it, I
think the movie is not not particularly good. Like you,

(01:02:40):
you appreciate it for its significance m hm, because it
got the whole genre started. Okay, but it's an adaptation
of a stage play, and it feels like they're just
filming a stage play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Ah. Interesting, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Okay. Creature from the Black Lagoon, that's an interesting one because, yeah,
especially in three D because it was originally released in
three D, so I'd be curious what that feels like.
The Mummy. I'm not a big fan of that one either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
That's just I remember that for some reason. I remember
that from you. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
It was kind of dull. Yeah. Anyway, Hey, speaking of
our commentaries, this is a note we got from Steven
Enders on Patreon, who says I'm loving your commentaries, Thank you, Steven,
and he says, you guys should do The River Wild
and Death Becomes Her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Ooh, I would love to do both of those.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I would love to do The River Wild me too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Man talk about almost like a lost nineties artifact, what a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Weird like like Meryl Streep in an action movie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yeah, that's like Curtis Hansen, right or am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
I think you're right? Yeah, he doesn't check that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Oh maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
It's like somebody kind of known, isn't it. Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
I am way off, Ben KATAI No, Curtis Hansen. Oh
there was like a remake, wasn't there. Yeah, a couple
of twenty three I see, yes, No, the original Hansen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, the original Secritis Hansen and that was ninety four. Yeah,
And I remember even at the time being like, really,
Meryl Streep like like to me, that's like I mean,
and she is great and that's why like it sells it,
but you don't see her doing that type of movie normally.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like, am I wrong? I haven't seen
it since ninety four, But it's almost like Cape Fear
in a raft there's like a villain, yes, who's stuck
with them, who's like terrorizing them, that's right, and kind
of beaten on them a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Yeah it's Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I would like to rewatch that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Yeah, I would. I would totally be down for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And then death becomes her, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Somebody we're both fans of death becomes her. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I would absolutely be down for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
You know, it's interesting how that movie has been not reclaimed,
but I mean it's sort of been brought back. I
suppose you can say there's a Broadway version of it now,
is there really? Yeah? Yeah, which I apparently people enjoy.
And it just feels like that movie's been again. I
keep thinking of the word we claim that's not it,
but like people are. It's almost like rediscovered or something,

(01:05:12):
and everyone's like, hey, this is really fun and I
like this, which is kind of fun to see.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Uh well, hey, mab, you know we we we've been
pretty eclectic with our commentary picks lately, so yeah, you
never know, you never know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I'm never going to turn down an excuse to gush
over Zamechis when he's on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
And that was definitely the case for that one. Yep,
Hey we got some headlines, Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Extract a lot of school.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Hey we got new Star Wars, Brian, how about that
that that's now news?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, I was trying to that's now news. Yeah, I
guess it is. I mean it's been a while, right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Well, it's been a while since it's been news. It
hasn't been a while since there's been new Star Wars.
And I think the fact that there has been so
much Star Wars is what made it no longer news.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Icye icye icy. Yes, there was a steady stream for
a while there. Yeah, and then there's been just like
a little bit of a pause.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
It's lost its luster because a lot of people felt
like it felt like a steady stream, which was the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yes, yes, and now well, I mean it's been a
lot of TV, right, but now we have new Star
Wars in the theater.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah potentially, so potentially what it was that well, no, yeah,
let me rephrase potentially being excitement. Oh okay, I'm sorry.
There was like two thoughts that collided into each other.
It happens to me all the time, kind of like
a Hammerhead Corvette flying into a Star Destroyer. One might say,

(01:06:54):
like that, you like how I brought that home? Yeah,
that's what it's what I do. So we got our
first look at picture from Star Wars Starfighter, Yeah, yeah,
that's right, which is struck by Sean Levy, right, yep,
And and it's starring Ryan Gosling. And this one it's

(01:07:15):
it's hard to figure out, like what what the premise is,
but my sense is that it's tying in in some
way to this Ray movie that is still planning to
come out at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Yeah, he's Ryan Gosling. It's like he impaired with a
young boy, right, And I am I wrong? Like I
thought I read somewhere that the boy is possibly for sensitive.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Yeah, and he's trying to deliver him to the Jedi Academy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Okay, I don't know if any of this is substantiated.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
This is just this is just the rumors, and that
supposedly Amy Adams plays the boy's mother or whatever. My
thought only and again this is normally we don't delve
too deep into rumors. But let's just take that face
value for a second. I'm like, in the Star Wars
universe's there's one thing parents should definitely not do is
send their kids to a Jedi academy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I feel like that's there have been now two instances
of Jedi academies not ending. Well yep, you know it's
just me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, learn from the past.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
You think you know, you know, kill the past, right right, right,
right whatever, whatever, Kylo Ren says, what's anyway? So so,
so we got our first look at at that and
I'm I was like, okay, this is that's a potentially
exciting h and then uh, and then we got our
first look at footage from the upcoming Mandalorian and Grogo movie. Okay,

(01:08:53):
so I don't, I don't. I don't know what you thought, Austraila,
but I'm gonna give my thoughts. I saw this trailer
and Brian, I think for the first time in a while,
I'm kind of like, I don't know, man, maybe I
might be kind of done with Star Wars. I'm feeling
a little bit really oh because I felt I felt

(01:09:16):
nothing from this trailer. I was like, this is a
movie I'm going to watch. That was it? Because we
talk about it on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I felt a little more than you, but it wasn't
what I'm sure they were hoping for Let's put it
that way, Like I I'm just like a sucker if
I see an ad at Walker, you know, and all
the iconography, like, it's gonna give me a little tingle.
I can't help it. It's who I am. But I

(01:09:48):
will admit that I'm not super in deared to these characters,
or at least I've spent my time with them and
I enjoyed it. But I also did not go back
for like the last season like I felt like I had.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Yeah, even though I've heard it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I believe it. I believe it. So yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it's This is neither a good nor bad comment.
But it does look a lot like the show, but
with a slightly higher budget, right. I do find it
interesting the tone that they're trying to set, Like the
font for the title looks like a sort of pulpy

(01:10:28):
nineteen forties serial, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Yeah, the poster that they put out very similar.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Like the Mandalorian and grogu is like kind of the
tone they're striking, which is interesting. I'm not sure if
the movie will feel that way or I don't know,
just it's a choice because the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Isn't like that, right, But that tone that you referred
to was kind of what the Clone Wars animated series evoked,
and that was Dave Maloney. And I think he's he mmmm,
he's hip deep in this one. I don't know if
he directed it. No, it's Fabreu, right, John Favu. Yeah,

(01:11:06):
So just to be clear, like I'm I wasn't I
want to be I want to couch what I said.
I wasn't like, well, that looks like shit f Star
Wars forever right in the ear right, That's not what
I mean. Yeah, I just I watched the trailer and
I'm like, that looks confidently done. I'm sure it's fine,
but maybe I'm just not the audience for this anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Well, and I mean if that's the case, then that's fine,
so be it. But that, like my utter lack of reaction,
was very telling for me. And you know, anybody who
listens to the show knows how you and I both
feel about Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Yeah, passionately.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Is this like Simpson's Season seventeen for you? Where it
marches on and there are people who have stuck with it,
there are people who have joined later and they are
not endeared to the era that we know in love,
like it is that possible happening?

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
So the metaphor that I was going to use for
just in a couple of minutes with regards to the
Simpsons is just as applicable here. I think Star Wars
is a ship of Theseus. Yeah, sure, sure, where you know,
for those of you don't know, the ship of Theseus.
It's like, it's that's the paradox of it that if you,
if you replace the if you if you're continuously replacing

(01:12:21):
the boards and everything, at some point the ship that
you have is no longer in any way the ship
that you had, but it's still called the ship of Theseus, right,
And I feel like Star Wars is getting there because
the stuff that like Star Wars is the universe, but

(01:12:43):
it's also the characters. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I don't want to interrupt your thought, but I have
something to say about that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
And we're reaching a point now where none of the
characters that are part of my Star Wars are really
in the mix anymore. And that's fine, that's just that's life.
I mean, that happens. But then I look at it
and I'm like, well, I don't have the affinity that
Disney is probably hoping I have for din Jarren and Grogu,

(01:13:11):
I haven't gotten I have. I mean, there's four seasons
of a show that hasn't really given us a particularly
complicated character arc for him. I don't think right, right,
and so, you know, other than a lot of zips
app zoom, I haven't really gotten anything from him. So
you say, oh, here's here's two hours of it. I'm
kind of like, Okay, it's two hours of a guy

(01:13:32):
with his face covered. Maybe maybe Pedro Pascal pops his
face and everyone's in the Blue Moon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
I don't know. That's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Maybe they should have paired him with someone like super Dynamic,
you know, like Chris Tucker or someone for the film.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
I watched that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Energy, I watched the ship out of that Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Real quick. In the Mandalorian, you had that moment where
he remember he took it, violates his oath by taking
off his mask, and the other Mandalorians are like, well,
screw you, buddy, you're out. You're out. You're out of
the team now or what are they doing? Right? And
I'm like, well, that's interesting. Mm hm, because because now
he's got to figure out who he is and now
he's not going to be wearing that helmet all the
goddamn time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Yeah, and it was really meaningful when he took off
the mask and why he took it off. That was
I remember that that was very.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
Powerful, very much so, right, And and then they just
kind of undid it. And maybe it's because Pedro Pascal
is available like once every October for a couple hours, right,
But you know, I don't know that's anyway. That's that's
where I'm at, That's what I'm feeling. And the other thing,
by the way, is there was a time when the
release of a Star Wars trailer, like the world would stop. Yeah,

(01:14:48):
and this it's like, oh is that that a thing? Oh? Okay, man,
I it ain't just me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
I was gonna say. It reminds me of what I
was saying about one of the earlier letters, Like I
guess this is growing up, you know, at some point,
like how long can something feel that singular and special
and unique, Yeah, and strike a chord with you in
a special sort of way. I mean, at some point

(01:15:15):
it is going to evolve and have to bring in
other things. That I am not as endeared to like
story character whatever. Like I obviously the Skywalker saga is
you know, I like I say, it's in my bones.
I mean I saw that when I was six or
something like that, and it's never left me. And it's
still I mean, if it's you know, I'm flipping and
that's on, Like, it doesn't matter how many times I've

(01:15:37):
seen it, I just stop. It's just always going to
have that effect on me. And so at this point
I can just hope, like, well, as they continue to
make things, I hope that some of them you know,
sparked to me, right, yeah, but we will be seeing

(01:15:57):
it and covering it. I mean that in a way,
I kind of like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
That's a benefit of doing this show is I think
there are certain things that I might be like, oh,
I'll get to that, but we do catch them with
a little more urgency so we can talk about them, right.
And so I'm glad to know that I will be
seeing this in theaters. I could see this being like, oh,
I hope I can catch that, but I know we
will catch it for the show, and I'm just hoping

(01:16:23):
to like low expectations, hope to see some cool Star
Wars stuff with some good choreography and you know, filming
and whatever, and you know, yeah, hoping for the best.
I guess, but I completely understand what you're saying. I
gotta admit, Yeah, I the trailer came out and I
didn't even click on it right away, which is same.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah, Ho's like, I'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Yeah, But again, this is I'm kind of curious, what
do your kids think about this? I mean, they're maybe
a little less precious about eras of Star Wars because
it's all just existed. I mean, do they have any
feelings for this?

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
You know? That's really interesting. I don't get the sense
that they're not enthused for it, like they're like, oh,
but but like they've lived in a world where the
Star Wars is just the faut that's always on, so
you know, they're like, you know, go see that. I guess,
you know, sure, sure, Like whatever the new thing is,

(01:17:17):
they they either watch it or they don't, you know,
Like I think they watched Skeleton Crew they liked that.
I don't believe they watched The Acolyte for example, you know,
and I just think there's just too damn much of
this stuff man. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean this
is something you and I have talked about before. But
I think Disney like dealt they they they gut shot

(01:17:43):
Marvel and Star Wars thanks to streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Streaming, man, Streaming is like made everyone's brains go haywire. Yeah,
you know, all the all the studio, the studios and yeah,
I really like you said, I think I think they
shot themselves in the foot with they had agreed on
the brain.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Yeah, so you know, like, yeah, we'll be talking. When
does it come out next? Next May?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
I guess May twenty second? Very Star Wars E eight, Yeah,
twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
That's appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Yeah eight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Well, speaking of the ship of theseus, this is the
point I was making just yesterday as we're recording this,
and this came to my attention solely because of you.
It is you know, you caught it right as the
announcement happened.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
I saw it minutes after and didn't believe it for
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Yeah, so this is a twenty eighth Century Films, which
is now a subsidiary of Disney, announced that a second
Simpsons movie is going to be released in what is
it June of twenty twenty seven. July July of twenty
twenty seven. So I think just under like like five

(01:18:54):
days under twenty years after the previous Simpsons movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, well you pointed out, I mean you that was
like a chalkboard gage has funny to write if you
want to explain that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Yeah. So the season nineteen premiere of The Simpsons, which
was the first season, like right after the movie came
out that summer, so that fall. Bart's gag on the
chalkboard was I will not wait another twenty years to
make a movie, which, well, I guess technically just under
five in five days, so they're beating you know, it's

(01:19:32):
not exactly just under twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Yeah. Yeah. You gotta wonder if anyone clocked that and
was like, oh h pick the date even for that reason,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
So this is so what's interesting to me is somewhat surprising,
and maybe this is just my algorithm. When the announcement happened,
I saw a lot of people excited about it, me too,
and that kind of made me happy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Me too. You know, it's funny because I mean going
back in time, which is so funny. Twenty almost twenty
years when the first movie came out, I had already
fallen off with the show, right, and there was a
lot of well, what's the movie going to be like?
And who's involved? And you know, there's kind of a
golden era many people, you know, think about, and then

(01:20:15):
it was like, oh, we're getting all those writers back
plus the new it's just gonna you know, it's gonna
feel like it's something special. And so it was really
mysterious what is this going to be like? And I
remember at that point, I mean, you know, you can't
even overstate the Simpsons social or cultural dominance in the nineties, right, Yeah,
But in two thousand and seven, I had no idea

(01:20:37):
what a movie theater would look like playing the Simpsons movie,
Like would it be half empty? But I was gonna
say half empty or half full? Let's I was just
talking abouts about that. That's very weird. Would it be
empty or would it be full? Is basically what I
was trying to say. And I remember being packed and

(01:20:58):
it was just every every person you could imagine, was
in their young, old everybody, and it was we watched
it together, if you remember, we did yeah up up
by you, and it was very special. It made me
very happy that so many people turned up out for that. Now,
I'm so curious in twenty twenty seven what a movie
theater looks like. Really, you know, I don't even know

(01:21:20):
what the ratings are like for the show every Sunday,
And I read someone commenting somewhere saying, for people who
haven't kept up with the show, they are in for
a huge surprise when they hear some of the people's voices.
You know, oh sure, yeah, right, yeah, really right, Julie
Kavner is Julie Kavner, Harry Shear. Yes, they just of course,

(01:21:45):
you know, time has passed, but they just sound a
lot different than they did for the episodes that we
have watched probably you know, thirty times. So it's like, right,
get that voice ingrained in your head.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
But but by the time the movie comes out, you're
looking at nearly forty years since the show started, right,
and incredible, Like if you would have told me when
the first movie came out that oh, there's gonna be
another movie in twenty years and the show will still
be going, by the way, yeah, like what are you kidding?

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Right, yeah, so this is this weird thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
I'm I'm you know, you and I we've spent enough
time on the show talking about our relationship with modern Simpsons.
I think people kind of know the score, but like,
I'm sort of at the place where I view it
as the ship of theseus.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yes, that's honestly, that's the best and probably healthiest way.
It's taken me a long time to get there, but
I think that's the best way to view it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Yeah, it's I you know, I still dip in, you know,
and I'll watch and my kids enjoy watching new episodes,
and they're just they've just got a different relationship with
the show, you know. Yeah, And you know, look, those
early seasons are are so formative. They really shaped our
sense humor, certainly formed like the basis of our friendship,

(01:23:03):
I would say, right, But it's just it's not going
to be that because shows are not meant to exist
for this long and be exactly the same thing. Yeah,
so you almost have to view it as a long
running show. It's like you have to view it like
Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Totally totally right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
You have these different eras and and you know the
one the season that just premiered, So the episode that
just aired a couple days ago, I was telling you,
it's about Lisa discovers Marge's nineties clothing that she had
when she was a kid again in the nineties, because

(01:23:44):
she gets into it because they they discover the Dawson's
Creek type show that Marge liked again in the late
nineties when she was Lisa's ages, and so you watched
I watched that, and I'm like, huh, yeah, well, because
I thought Marge had a crush on Ringo Star, which

(01:24:05):
he was, and then eventually Homer was like a Kurt
Cobaine figure in the nineties and his yeah twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Now it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Funny, and so you know, it's just like, well, that's
what this is, you know. And I have to say,
the episode that I watched it, I did chuckle a
few times. I found it amusing. But just like, fundamentally,
the ethos of the show has changed. How can it
not change? So much of it, like the industry has changed.

(01:24:35):
Everything has changed, and the fact that The Simpsons has
lasted as long as it has, we can view it
through the most cynical lens and say, God, why is
this show still on the air, Which is the instinct
that many people have, and that's usually you know, usually
in the comment section, but I'm looking at it, like,

(01:24:57):
how remarkable is it that this show is still on
the year. Isn't that amazing? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
Well, I mean the characters that they created that they
could endure in decades, you know, generations, that's how strong
those characters are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Yeah, And and look, TV is not charity, right, So
the fact that it's still going is a reflection that, well,
people are watching it. Maybe I don't have any illusions
that it's the same size audience that you know, uh
it had, you know, back when it started, but clearly
there's enough of a fan base to keep it going

(01:25:33):
even now. And so, you know, what is this movie
going to be? Like? You know what? Here, here's what
I know. I know that if the if this old
you know, Cinder that we're on is still spinning two years,
hence we're going to be in the theater, you me,

(01:25:53):
possibly Sean, hopefully Sean, and we'll be watching it together.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I would really love that, all right, And that's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
What I'm looking forward to. I don't even care the
movie is going to be whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Yep, I agree, I agree. Even if it's not going
to be something I like, I'll be there and I'll
be there with the warmth in my heart.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
There you go, and a donut with sprinkles in your hand?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Yes? Do you think this could be a possible stealth finale?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
I had that thought.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
I was thinking that after reading that comment about the
actors' voices, because they are getting older.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
Yeah, and that'd be a good good way to tap out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Yeah, give them a little a little retirement, you know,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Possibly, But I was thinking, well, if they wanted to
tap out, like I feel like, season forty would be
like a good round number to do it, rather than
it'll be like, you know, thirty eight or something. Right,
what season is it now that just started?

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
Man, I don't even know anymore. I used to kind
of have an idea and I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
You know what, Maybe I'm wrong. Hold on, let me
but season of the Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Thirty seven is the current season, the thirty seven that
just started, So then that next season would be it's
been renewed through season forty.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
See, I'm thinking, if you're gonna go, you go with
season forty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
No, you're right, you're right, And it kind of feels
like season forty is your last exit before season fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Yes, exactly right. What I mean, yep. The other thing, Look, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Feel fairly certain that if I feel fairly certain that
the actors are no longer as essential to this show
as they were fifteen seasons ago.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Like they could be replaced.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Yes, See, before you say anything for me, I don't.
For me as a fan, I don't. I don't like that.
I'm saying in the eyes of the corporation they're no
longer essential or.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
I think we're on the same page. I don't think
that would work for us, Yeah, because it's been so
damn long.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Yeah, But for for people who yeah, like like, like,
how many Fred Flintstones have there been? I have no idea.
There's been a few. I'm saying it's not the same
guy from Krimit the Frog, right, Like for Bugs Bunny, right,
I mean, once mel Blank died, there have been like
four different bugs Bunnies right, right, exactly, So why why

(01:28:35):
do we assume that Homer and Bart are any different?

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Yeah, I mean as a long run, a long run
getting us to that voice. But I agree with you.
I think in this day and age especially, we're pretty
much nothing sacred anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
And they've already kind of done it, right, they they've
they've got you know, new actors for Carl and for
doctor Hibbert. Right, that's true, and that was sort of
out of like cultural necessity or whatever. But like, let's
be honest. I mean, it's proved that audiences won't won't
desert the show, you know, Yeah, gonna be interesting anyway,
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
Yeah, I'm excited. It's weird for me to say because
I don't even watch it anymore and I haven't enjoyed
it in a very long time. But like I they're
forever in my heart. So yeah, I can't wait to
see what they have in store.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Well, on the complete opposite end of things, I do
not want to see and do not want to know
what they have in store. What about this Tilly Norwood business, Brian,
keep Tilly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Norwood's name out of your mouth. So Tilly Norwood is
the latest hottest thing, Zachie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Everyone's talking about Tilly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Yes, that should be your show, Mad about Tilly? So
Tilly isn't real. She is an AI actress created by
a company, and this com any believes I guess they're
called Zekoa, right, and they want to get this I

(01:30:08):
don't even know what you'd call it. I mean, she's
like an animated character, but she looks photo real, like
a real human being. But they want to get her
signed by agencies and have her star in films, and
not just that, but they want her to be a
personality that people can, you know, keep tabs on through
social media as if she's some sort of real person. Yeah,
and so I think when this story broke, the angle

(01:30:31):
was I think it was misreported that she had been signed, right,
or at least they were okay with the idea that
people were being misled thinking that she had been signed,
and then they had to come out and be like, no, no, no,
she hasn't been signed yet. But we're in conversation with people.
You may be surprised to learn. You may think that
everybody is against something like this, but you might may
be surprised to learn we're having conversations. People are very

(01:30:52):
interested in this idea. And did you watch I sent
you an article. Did you see the video I did?
I mean, it's crazy, it's I don't even know actually
what it was for, but it was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:05):
It's like a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Comedy sketch that's completely AI generated, that looks as if
it takes place in real locations with real actors, and
they're sort of talking to the camera and joking like
setting up this Tilly nor Would person. Yes, and it's
it's a one hundred percent AI it is. I've got

(01:31:29):
to admit some of it really impressed me. Sure, but
then there's just something like one degree wrong that like
triggers something in the back of your mind. And I've
got to say, actually, I thought the weakest human in
this was Tilly. I mean, her face never looked lit correctly,

(01:31:50):
Like her face always looked like it was lit from
a different like it was brighter than the rest of
her body. And I was like, something's wrong. But anyway,
it doesn't matter. But I mean, I don't know, do
you have any thoughts on this? I mean, do you
think I can assume what you think about it in general?
But I mean, do you think this will ever become
some sort of thing where we have Brad Pitt starring

(01:32:10):
along with Tillie Norwood, who never has to show up
to set, never needs sleep, doesn't need a trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
Well, I guess my thought, Big Pictures. I just I'd
like to get off this black Mirror episode that we're in. Yeah, right,
it's all, It's all horrible to me in so many
different ways because because I think that ultimately this is

(01:32:39):
going to happen, like we can, right, we can sort
of be in high dudgeon about oh, why are they
doing this? And it's immoral, and I think all the things.
Number one, it is going to happen and and I
hate that. And number two, this is just one more
way that actual, real people are going to be put

(01:33:02):
out of work. Yes, right, Like it wasn't there a
whole strike about exactly this?

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
Yeah right, yeah, Oh let's why do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
We need real people in an ad who we have
to pay residuals to whatever when we can create you know,
a simone, you know from that from that Pacino movie.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Which I've never seen but now I kind of want
to watch it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
I mean, it's funny how this stuff is just all
of this dystopian sci fi that's decades old. These these
psychotic tech bros look at as like a challenge, as a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Warning, and they want to be the first person to
pioneer it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Yeah. Yeah, So I think this is horrible, right, because
first of all, the way the guy who programmed to
Lee or created the character whatever the hell, the way
he's talking about her is like deeply weird, really yeah,
like oh and she's my creation and this and that,
I'm like, okay, it's odd, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
And then on top of that, just the real cost,
which is actual people who rely on residuals and things
like that they will not be getting work because of
these these these digital avatars, you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
And also I don't know the details about this, but
her everything has to be drawing upon actual actors, actual models,
or whoever they've taken to composite and build her features
and her characteristics in the way that she moves. So
I mean people's work is being stolen, yeah, to to

(01:34:48):
create this person. And then also I mean, you know,
it's it's easy to say, okay, well then this person
doesn't have to show up or she can't be late whatever,
but like, who's manipulating her? She's like a puppet, I
would imagine. So she must have some sort of team
and someone has to figure out lighting, and someone has
to it is not just much more work. It just
feels like like you said, it just feels like someone

(01:35:10):
just wants to prove that they can. And I don't
see the upside to this because I don't know. You know,
it's funny. We might sound like complete crazy dinosaurs to
someone listening to this seventy years in the future where
their favorite celebrities are all these you know, AI creations.
I don't know, but like for me, it's like the
actors I like. I like because now they're breathing human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
You know, I don't know. That's the bar. That's where
we're at, you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Know, I just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
It's it's very strange, very like dystopian black Mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Yeah. Well, on that uplifting note, we've got a new
movie in theaters right now, Brian, that you and I
have not had a chance to discuss.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
I can't wait, I can't we'd talk about this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Well, let's talk about it on the other side of this.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
And now we're pleased to bring you our features.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
And we are back and and I should say, Brian,
actually in the in in the time it took for
us to go on break and come back here, I
went out and got some pizza. Hut.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yes, that's right. I mean to be clear, we are
recording this two days later because I had seen the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:36:33):
You know, come on, if you're gonna give away all
our tricks.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Well, that doesn't even make sense. Like during the paramount.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
Music that I ran out, I ran I went to
the neighboring city.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
You pause, you put your fingertips together and pause.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Time I did it, Like, yeah, you know that? What
is that show out of This World?

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Yeah? Yeah, right, I don't know someone correct out of
this World?

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Yeah, where she puts her fingertips together. Yeah yeah, anyway, no, yes,
we are two days later, and in the middle of that,
I was like, you know, after our little conversation, I
was like, you know, I'm Jones and for some pizza Hut.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
You sent me a thing and I was so jealous.
It made me regret that I didn't follow through on
that the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
Wait, so how was it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
You didn't I didn't hear you know what it it was?

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
It is pizza Hut.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Okay, okay, that's I mean, well, did it scratch any
sort of nostalgic itch or was it just like I thing?

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
So you know, it's I mean, I don't want to
eat it every day or every week even, but I
think once a quarter not the worst thing in the world,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:40):
All right, It's like a thicker fluffier pizza, right, yeah,
the pan the pan one.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, So I know, I know you
and the audience, the entirety of the audience is on
tenter hooks to know if I had gotten some Pizza
Hut and the answers I did, indeed, and and it
is indeed Pizza Hut, and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
It is indeed fizza. Did you get the bread sticks?

Speaker 1 (01:38:03):
I did not get the bread sticks. Maybe maybe that
maybe that's the last nostalgic itch I need to scratch.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
Yeah, I have a real now, I'm I really want
to have those breadsticks again.

Speaker 1 (01:38:15):
Anyway, Uh, you might well try trying to find it.
It's it's it's one battle after another these days. Yeah.
On a related note, there's a movie in theaters right
now called One Battle after Another. Yeah, this one's getting
getting getting some conversation. This is the new joint from
Paul Thomas Anderson and and starring Leonardo DiCaprio. And this

(01:38:38):
you know you and I were discussing this is I
feel like DiCaprio is that guy who, no matter what,
you get a good performance from him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
I mean, I have two things to say about that.
I mean one, yeah, like he has the privilege of
being able to only pick what he wants to do,
and he almost always just picks really interesting movies you
know that are on another level. I mean he gets
his pick of the litter with directors and whatever. Right,
so if he's in a movie, I expect it's going

(01:39:09):
to be elite, right.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
But what's interesting too is I was thinking about this.
I mean, he used to be like a teen beat
heart throb, yeah right, like, especially in the Titanic era
Romeo and Juliet. You know, he was like a stud
and like the guy girls had pictures of him and
their lockers or whatever. And it's funny how now a
lot of the characters he plays are like really like schlubby.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
And yeah, you can compare this to his character from
Killers to the Flower Moon.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah yeah, or even a little bit Rick Dalton from
Once upon a Time in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Sure fair.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Yeah, he's got like the star thing, like he knows
how to put on the front of being a movie star,
but he's also deeply insecure and always you know, crying,
you know, and brad pitch shoulder, and so it's just
kind of an interesting thing like where he could just
be playing you know, like Brad Pitt. We've talked about
he's always playing Brad Pitt. Yeah, and that's but he's

(01:40:07):
so good at it that we love him, right, But
we don't often see him playing like a Wiener, you know,
and so it's kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Yeah, well let me let me I I this this
sort of highlights the point you're making. I just saw
it just by chance. A couple of days ago, I
saw a video piece on YouTube where James Cameron was
reflecting on his career and he talks about Titanic, right,
and he talks about DiCaprio coming in to audition for that,
and you know, Cameron liked him. He wanted him to read.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
With with.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
With with the with what's her name, Kate Winslett, and
he's like, oh, I don't read, you know, even at
that stage of his career, he don't really need to,
you know. But Cameron's like, well, if you don't want
this part then that's fine, but if you want it,
then you got to read. So it has and then
so he gets the part and then he reads the
script and he gets back to Cameron. He's like, you know,
I think it'd be great if my character had something
to overcome, like he's got a limb or he's got

(01:41:04):
some drug addiction or something like that. And Cameron's like, well, no,
we're not. That's not that's not this character. That's not
what we were doing, you know. And Cameron talks about
how that gave him an insight into DiCaprio's his preferences
as an actor, want that he wanted something to play,
and what he told him with regards to Titanic is, look,

(01:41:27):
this is you. You have to sell this on your own,
this movie without having that stuff to lean into. And
for DiCaprio, that became the challenge, that was the thing
to play, right. And So in other words, my point
is the point that what Cameron was saying it wasn't
the ego of an actor, it was what was interesting

(01:41:47):
for him to do. And so I think that piece
from Cameron nicely dovetails with the observation you just had.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
I you're totally right. He wants the challenge. Yeah, he's
not looking to look handsome and successful on screen. He
wants to do something that's challenging to him. Yeah. Yeah,
and he's good at it. He plays this type of
character very well.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Yeah. Nowadays, the biggest challenge is dating somebody his age.
Oh no, but he's very good in this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
I just picturing him on one of his yachts listening
to this, like.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Hey, unsubscribe, Patreon, cancel.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I'm just gonna keep going and going.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
So you and I have not discussed this movie at all,
not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
Yeah, yeah, And this is a movie that has been
much discussed, especially disgust. I mean, I'm seeing it everywhere.
That was the thing. I wasn't able to see it
until a couple of days after it came out, and
it was really challenging because I mean most of my
friends had seen it and were loving it, and they
were very ry, I respectful, and trying to be protective

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of their you know, of me and not you know,
overhype it for me. But like it was almost impossible
to avoid online. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
I was trying very hard to avoid the online conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:16):
And I will say this before we even get to
our thoughts. I think that some some of the discussion
is doing a disservice to the film because I just
feel like it's very overheated.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
And yeah, no, I I that's just the damned if
you do, damned if you don't. Kind of that's the thing,
because I'm excited to see people excited.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Well, that was really getting me excited because I love
Paul Thomas Anderson, and I had read that the budget
of this movie, like the last the budgets of his
last five movies don't total the budget of this one movie.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I mean it's secondhand.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
I well that that Blue Skybeam didn't pay for itself
in the third act.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Yeah. Yeah, But I love Paul Thomas Anderson. He's one
of my favorite directors. Everything he makes is interesting, even
if it's not one of your favorite things that he does.
And so knowing that his movie and this thing looked
so unique and interesting and that it was captivating so
many people, that was to my surprise.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Across the spectrum. Yeah, and I mean across the film
buff spectrum, I should say, not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Yeah, well, I was gonna say the cinema score was
an A, which is wild for a movie that's almost
three hours long and you know, a pta movie, right,
And so anyway, that was very exciting to me. But
then I was also like, what is this movie? You know,
because well then real quick before again we get into it.

(01:44:43):
I mean, the marketing wasn't really hooking me, right, Like,
I saw this trailer so many times in the theater,
and that's my fault because I go as often as
I do, and also because I know better than to
show up until twenty five minutes. It's after the showtime
that's listed, right, But the trailer, I was like, this

(01:45:05):
is interesting, but I don't get it, and I'm not
even sure that this is exactly appealing to me. But
what is appealing to me is that DiCaprio is in it,
and Paul Thomas Anderson made it, so I'm in. I'm
already sold. So it was kind of fascinating to me
that it did kick off as as strong as it
did for being the movie that it is, right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Yeah, Well, you know, one thing I'll say is is
I'm probably more hot and cold on Paul Thomas Anderson
than you are. Okay, I wouldn't say I've disliked any
of his movies, but there's some like I always use
Magnolia as an example that movie didn't working for me
when I saw it. I haven't revisited it since, so

(01:45:49):
maybe maybe it'll it'll, you know, I think having several
decades of experience since maybe it will change my perspective.
But even Boogie Nights, I thought it was fine. Oh
really okay, I mean I liked it, you know, but yeah,
you know, I mean I think the subject matter wasn't
really for me, you know, definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
And that's the thing too, is there's a lot his
movies don't like lift you up. Yeah all the time, right,
I mean, they can be kind of depressing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
But on the other hand, to your point, I mean, look,
there will be blood the Master. I absolutely love that movie. Yes,
Punch Drunk, Phantom Thread.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Phantom Thread, Yeah, I know, slickerish pizza people are kind
of slickish pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I wasn't a big fan of I know you you
liked it more than I did.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
No, that was one where it's I know, it was
a little polarizing, and it's not a perfect film. There's
certainly things I have my little nitpicks about it, but
I really did love it because it does that thing
that I love where I think of Once upon a
Time in Hollywood, I think of Lost in Translation, where
he captures a feeling, you know, I don't know, like

(01:46:59):
an energy about you know, with relationships that and all
the things aren't happening in big moments, they're like the
small moments of life, but when there's still an excitement,
a giddiness, And I just feel like he captured that
in a way that few people are capable of and
it Yeah, yeah, I was electrified by it. But I
also don't disagree with anyone that didn't connect with it.

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But there's those are all over the place, too, right,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
That's I mean, that's what's fascinating is like you look
at the sweep of like like you look at Christopher
Nolan's filmography, and you can point to his you know,
points of interest, the things that are appealing to him
as a storyteller. Sure, those things that those trend lines
that that reoccur across the filmography. I think Paul Thomas Anderson,

(01:47:47):
he just likes making movies and his his interests are
are various and sundry, and I think that manifests through
a very diverse filmography.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Yeah, you know, Um, I'm always delighted when a movie
shows me something I've never seen before. And this movie
gave me a car chase the likes of which I've
never seen. Yes, And I was delighted. I leaned forward

(01:48:21):
in my seat, just taking in the craft in this
car chase that was brand new to me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
There's two things I want to say. One, that's exactly
what I said to the person cleaning up the theater. Oh,
this is in the uh, it's going to be in
the Patreon bonus drop. But I spoke with a person
who came in to clean the theater afterwards and he
was like, what'd you think? And I go, man, there
is nothing more exhilarating than seeing something you've never seen before.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
Get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
I did. Literally, that was my review to him.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
Yes, And it's so funny you talk about leaning forward,
because that was something I was going to mention. I
leaned forward at least three time in this movie, and
I can't remember the last time I did that. Yeah,
and it wasn't even just there's the car chase, but
there's also a moment that I'll get into that might
be one of my favorite scenes in the whole movie.
And it's a quiet scene and I just leaned forward.

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I couldn't. I was just wrapped with it. So anywhere
you go, well, I guess we liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
We both liked it. I think it's fair to say
one thing I did want to say, by the way,
Chase Infinity.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Oh my goodness, a star is born, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
And first of by the way, clearly her parents were
very impacted by nineteen ninety five cinema because did you
know this?

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Oh no, I thought you're gonna make I wasn't following.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Actually, she is named in honor of like her first name,
Chase comes from Chase Meridian.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
I was guessing that in my mind, but I was like,
there's no way, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
And then her middle name, which is Infinity, comes from
to Infinity and beyond. Wow. I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
It's such a killer name, right, Chase Meridian.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
I'll be So. My point is this, you know, you
and I we talk about Batman forever, Like, come on,
Batman forever. Hey, you know what, some people name their
kids after Batman Forever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Right, that's for people who don't know that's the Nicole
Kidman character in Batman Fever. Chase Meridian. Wow, All right,
all right?

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
I was I was tickled by that too. But yeah,
she was fantastic because because here's the thing, you know,
she she is, you know, a supporting character she's the
d or whatever. There are big chunks of the movie
where she's commanding the story. Yes, yes, right, there are
big chunks of the movie where DiCaprio is nowhere to
be seen and it's on her and you are absolutely

(01:50:49):
riveted by whatever her character is going through.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:50:52):
You know, I got more to say, but I figure
we can just get into spoilers right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Well, I want to say real quick, yes, I I really,
really really liked this movie. I thought it was captivating
and unexpected and thrilling and heartbreaking and funny, and I
love that there's been so much buzz around it. But
I do think it's worth noting. I see a lot

(01:51:18):
of people being like, this is PTA's first like crossover,
crowd pleaser, blockbuster, and I'm like, yes, and like, you know,
like this in a way, this actually this movie made
me think of Three Kings in that this is a
big movie with big stars in it from Warner Brothers.

(01:51:41):
But I can imagine people walking in and being like
this feels weird, you know, And then if you can
find your way into it, if you do get interested,
if you do get hooked in the first ten fifteen
to twenty minutes of it, you will get in sync
with its wavelength. But I was imagining like once this

(01:52:02):
is streaming or whatever, and it's like Thanksgiving and people
like you know, some film fans like hey, family, gather
around like let's let's start this movie. And when it
kicks off, I can imagine this being a movie that
gets turned off just at the start because they're like, what,
I don't get what this is?

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Weird?

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Like this, you know what I'm saying. And so I
did want to note that, like, don't go in thinking
you are going to go see some sort of like
Leonardo DiCaprio action film like this is this is. I
think it does become crowd pleasing, and it does become
and I you know, sometimes it's a pejorative, but I
mean as a positive a popcorn flick, you really care
about all the characters, You care about everyone reaching their

(01:52:41):
destinations on time, and you know, but I do think
it moves to the beat of its own drum at
the same time, and I think that's its strength. But
I also do think that's worth noting.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Would you agree, No, I think that's that's very apt. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah,
So okay, spoilers, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
Spoiler? So yeah, I mean this, I mean where to begin,
almost just like I guess at the beginning, I think
what's interesting about this movie is, you know, the first
thirty minutes are almost like a little short film right

(01:53:25):
where it's interesting. Well, yeah, now we're in spoilers. So
basically it's it's how DiCaprio's character Bob meets his love
interest Perfidia, played by Tianna Taylor. Who's I mean again
speaking of stars are born or whatever, Like everybody in
this movie gets like not just time to shine, but
to just like crush and cook, you know what I mean.

(01:53:49):
I mean, even like those evil dudes the Christmas Adventurers. Again,
like every person gets like a moment to deliver a
couple of lines in a really interesting and almost like
mesmerizing way. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
I was actually thinking. I was like, Tony Goldwin is
one of these guys you can just roll in, drop
a couple sentences, and roll out and you'll be like
I remember that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Yeah yeah, And I was like, what is that? I mean,
what's the difference in direction where if you get for example,
in that scene in the bunker when you have that
old man and they're talking about they want to put
a you know, a hit out on Sean Penn's character Lockjohn.
And in some other movie, the guy would be like,

(01:54:37):
do it and make it clean, right, you know, But
in this I don't know what the direction is. I
don't know if they just allowed him to try a
bunch of different things. But he says it in such
a weird way, right, you know, He's like, make it clean,
and he's like, I want it to be so clean,
we could eat off of it because it's clean. And
you're like, I mean, chill's just saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:57):
It's so well And that actor was so great. That's
Kevin Tigue from he was on the TV show Emergency
like in the sixties. Oh wow, so he's been around forever, right,
So I think part of it too, this little secret society.
It's all vaguely familiar faces.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Yes, I did recognize your face.

Speaker 1 (01:55:14):
Yeah you got him, you got Tony Golden, you got DW. Moffett,
like all these guys who we kind of know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
And did you recognize the other guy, James Downey.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Yeah, yeah, exactly from you know, from you know, we
will put their their names those times in the drawer
Jim Downey, one of the all time great SNL writers.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Yeah, he's also in Billy Madison. He's the guy who says,
everyone in this room is now dumber having heard what
you just said.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
I award you no points and may God have mercy
on your soul.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Yeah, so they're all. Every character in this movie is
instantly memorable because they're given memorable things to do by
their writer and director, but also they're allowed to just
take that stuff and do interesting things with it. So anyway,
so I know, we just went down on Avenue with that,
but I just thought that was really fascinating and makes

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this movie's two hours and forty minutes and you'd never
know it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
No, No, it goes by at a pretty pretty brisk clip.
And you know, we're talking about these supporting actors who
show up for like a couple, you know, a couple
of scenes. But up top you got, in addition to
DiCaprio and the names you mentioned, I think Benicio del
Toro is I'm kind of like, I want this guy
to be my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:56:30):
Yes, what interesting? And he doesn't even say much no,
Like it's all you're just reading between the lines and
learning about this person and what his life is outside
of Bob's existence, you know, and he's got his own
things going on, you know, at the same time, but
he's still like showing up and helping Bob out. And
then when Bob gets out of the the hospital and

(01:56:51):
he gets in the car and they're like, okay, let's go,
and Del Toro's just like, hey, let's take a selfie.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
And then and then Sean Penn, I was thinking of
the movie ended. I'm like, between between this movie and Sinners,
here are two of the most racist white guys who
you just want to see get their up and right
because the guy who sells them the juke joint in

(01:57:22):
in Sinners. Oh yeah, then we got right and we
got Sean Penn here. It's like, man that I want
to see that racist get his uh huh. You know,
probably one of the one of the best Sean Penn
performances in a while. Not to say he's been doing
bad work lately, but it's real showy, it's real something
for him to really get his teeth into, you know,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
It allows him. It's not like he has like some
big mustache on and is hiding behind like a wig
and whatever. He still very much looks like Sean Penn,
but he is at the same time transformed.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
He's here's the Beata or you you you want to
talk about knowing everything you need to know about a character. Yes,
not even the part where he gets a heart on
because what's her name? Is like humiliating him out than that.
I mean he's standing in an elevator, he sticks his
comb in his mouth, yes, before putting it in his hair,

(01:58:12):
and I'm like, that's some bitch. Need to die.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Yes, it's so unnerving.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
You talk about an affectation that tells you everything about
this guy. You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Along with that a detail I freaking loved was the
clothes he wears when he dresses up. So it's like
when he's going to see or he thinks he's gonna
go see Perfidia and he shows up at her door
and he's wearing this like blue coat and khaki pants
and these shoes, and he's got these flowers right and

(01:58:46):
he whatever. There's that whole moment. But then later when
he goes to meet the Christmas Adventurers that's sixteen years later,
and he shows up in the same clothes. Those are
his dress up clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Yep, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
And then I think there's a don't remember why, but
there's like I think a third moment when he wears
those clothes again. Oh when he shows up at the end,
when he goes to what he thinks is going to
be his corner office, and I was like it it
made me sad, Like right, you know what I mean,
Like it's just he's such a he's despicable, he's awful,
but like he's also like a weird tragic figure too,

(01:59:20):
Like he's just so dimensional. Yeah, and it's it's an
incredible performance and it's an incredibly realized I mean the
you know, credit to Anderson for even coming up with
the guy. It's just he's not just a menacing figure.
He's a really interesting, awful person.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Yeah, Now, what do you think about the politics that
the movie is presenting? Like I'm I've been enjoying seeing
all the different ways people are plugging in, and I
certainly have my thoughts, but I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
I don't know, like what do you mean, Like do
do I feel like it's trying to incite something?

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
Or do you not so much that? But like, like
you know, some might say that it's uh, you know,
depicting these these you know this this the extremist group
put the French seventy five as as the heroes of
the piece, and you know, they're the ones pushing back

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against you know, the man or whatever. And and I
I feel like the movie has taken a more complicated
view of sort of how these two extremes end up
pushing up against each other. They need each other, right like,
Like I think that's manifested in the fact that Colonel

(02:00:38):
Lockjaw is sexually aroused by perfidia. Yes, right, like it's
literally like they need each other. Yes, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
No, I actually I completely agree with you. I don't
know that it's I mean, obviously it touches on real
world things.

Speaker 1 (02:00:56):
It's just weird. It's weirdly relevant. But obviously that couldn't
have been part of the marching orders, you know, to
quote unquote comment on whatever's going on right now.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Yeah, because he said he's been writing this for the
past twenty years, you know, so this wasn't for him.
This wasn't a statement about today per se. But he
also acknowledges that, you know, the more things change, the
more they say the same, right, And I think it's
kind of interesting. Yeah, I don't think, well, you know,
that was something at the beginning where I actually was
thinking to myself, what am I supposed to feel about

(02:01:25):
these people? Because I think, you know, you look at
Leonardo DiCaprio and we're following him the whole time, and
he's a dad who cares, so he's the protagonist of
this film. But like, do I agree with everything that
he and his group are doing? No? Right? You know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (02:01:40):
This is during the first chunk you're talking about yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
Like blowing up buildings and things like that, right, Like
they may have admirable aims at the end of the
day where they want equality for people and they don't
want people locked up in detainment centers. Like that's admirable stuff,
but I don't think their execution is good, you know.
And so but what I think is interesting, and what

(02:02:04):
I think the movie is kind of saying is like
you said, you have these two forces, right, and they're
just it's one battle after another. It's it's not gonna stop.
And at the end, you get that letter that Perfidia
writes to her daughter and she says something like, you know,
sixteen years have gone by and very little has changed,
you know, but but we keep pressing on. And then

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the movie ends with shoot, what's the dollar's name? I'm
thinking of a real name, Chase Infinity, Yeah, Willa, Willa,
And then it ends with Willa leaving to go be
a part of like a protest. And to me, I
took that as this battle will continue, but maybe these

(02:02:48):
certain generations try to do something and in different ways.
Some people tried peaceful protests, some people tried violent whatever.
But it's issues persist, and the next generation will find
their way to try to make the world a better place.

Speaker 1 (02:03:06):
I like that interpretation. No, no, dred percent and and
you know, because you know, I went with my son
and at the end he was like, so is she
like a revolutionary now? I was like, no, I mean
she's she's manifesting her desire to make change in a
kind of what you said, like in a way that's
that's not the same path that her mother took, because

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she sees that that was ultimately not a productive path, right.
And I think there's a variety of ways where the
movie is really signposting that, right, not just in terms
of Bob sixteen years later, is just a stoned drunkard, right,
you know, the all the catchphrase sorry, the passwords and

(02:03:51):
everything he doesn't remember. Right. And then you've got the people,
you know, he's trying to call, he's trying to get
connected to whatever. And they're sort of in their own
cosplay because they're trapped in that in that pattern.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
There isn't that sense of like, well it's been sixteen
years and and we haven't really made a change, so
why not switch up our tactics? Right? But no, it's
because they want to. They they each of these sides
want they want that war that they're a part of.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Yes, I think we are following the two extremes exactly,
and I don't think we're they're there to be like
just blindly admired. Well, certainly that's not one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:04:33):
That's exactly it. And so so Willa is more than
more than Bob. Willa is the audience surrogate because she's
the one who's having to navigate these aspects, right, she
is literally the product of both extremes.

Speaker 2 (02:04:51):
I can't believe I didn't even occur to me. Yeah,
you're right, right, Yeah, Wow, so that I love that. Yeah, anyway.
So I didn't mean to stop you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:02):
I just I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
That's a that's great.

Speaker 1 (02:05:04):
No, well, and I think that's why the big chunks
of the movie were just following her. I mean, I
think that's why that stuff all works, you know, I
mean the I mean, gosh, the the oh, you know,
the when when it looks like she's about to be
killed by the folks that lock Joss enter two yes,

(02:05:27):
and the way we follow that with the guy in
the car who delivered her, that whole thing, man, that
whole sequence. I just loved it. I yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
I mean honestly, I basically just kind of want to
go through the movie and talk about, yeah, scenes like that.
I mean, yeah, that was really powerful in the fact
that he I mean, it's so despicable, you know, her
dad like handing her off, yeah, to be killed because
he wants to be a part of this stupid club,
you know, which it's kind of interesting, like what is

(02:05:55):
it What does that being in that club mean to him?
You know, he's already I don't know, but anyway, it's
just it's so disturbing when he like puts her in
that car and shuts the door, you know, and then
it's just that when it when she's at that place
and you know that and they're they're dropped off with
those like mercenaries or whoever, and you see one of
them like putting gas in a boat.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
I just love.

Speaker 2 (02:06:18):
That's another thing too. I love this movie doesn't explain
a lot. It's just so much shorthand and it's all
you need. And it's in a way it creates more
of a feeling, and that feeling is worse. Like you're
handcuffed to a bench and you're watching these bad dudes
like gas up a boat. You're like, well, I guess
they're taking me out to the middle of that lake,
you know what I mean. But then when it cuts

(02:06:39):
to the bounty hunter in that like static shot where
he's just observing all this, You're like, oh, he's not
going anywhere, like it's just and then when he turns
the car off, Oh it's so good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Well, well I was gonna say it's it's shorthand conveyed
in long takes. Yeah, yes, yes, right, I mean just
really letting the camera just sit there. There's a after
this car chase, which we haven't even talked about at all,
but but seriously, that that car chase. I mean, it

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was so clever, the way, the use of of long shots,
the use of this ridiculously up and down road to
increase the tension. Yes, you know it. It was such
a It was such a unique articulation of the form

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that you know, not all car chases have to be
you know Sean Connery and the Rock.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
Yeah, like not how many things can you hard turns
can you make and things can you smash into? I
mean this used. This is what it did. This thing
that I really love when movies do this, which is
something that exists in real life that we all know
and we've all driven on and we will drive on again,
and it uses it in such an inventive way that

(02:08:00):
now I will think of this when I am on
a road like that again, you know, yeah, right, exactly,
like the whole basically, I would hope everyone who's listening
has seen this, but that like these rolling hills, they
go up and down and up and down, so when
you're down you can't see what's on the other side
of the hill, so you kind of have to wait, wait, wait,

(02:08:21):
and look in your rear view and then you see headlights. Oh,
someone's like behind me and they're following me, and but
then you lose them again when you go down the
next hill because they become out of you. And then
she's Oh that moment when she gets to the top
of the hill and stops her car. I think I
clapped because I knew immediately what she was doing. Was like, oh,
it's brilliant. She's creating this unseen roadblock for the assassin.

(02:08:44):
Oh so good.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
Well, and then the beauty of it. You know, first
of all, she knocks that guy and clean out, you know,
the guy who's chasing her. But then you have the
pregnant pause of her with the scope as as DiCaprio
is about to enter the frame, and you don't know
what's she gonna do. How is she gonna react? Yes,

(02:09:07):
I mean I mean literally I was leaning forward, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:09:11):
Yeah, yeah, so good, so good. You know for me,
I was talking earlier about one of my favorite scenes
is uh, so well, you just I don't know, I
don't know why from my brain, just to so we're
not just saying stuff, but like you know, the first
thirty minutes of the movie are basically Bob falls in
love with Perfidia. They have a baby and For Bob,

(02:09:32):
it's like, well, we have a family now, Like we
have to pay attention to our daughter and our family,
and we can't be going out and running all these missions.
But Perfidia just can't let it go. That's that's her
her purpose, her cause, her life's cause, is to go
out and to do these things. And so she ends
up leaving them and then ratting on them because she
gets caught by lockjaw. Yeah, and so then Bob and
Will are putting witness protection sixteen years later, Like you

(02:09:55):
just get this incredible and all that stuff is just
told through so much shorthand, you know. And even I
was thinking about the bank robbery moment where she shoots
that security guy. Yeah, I was like, wait, what's happening.
I don't know, you know what, It doesn't matter, like
it happened off screen. All her other cohorts didn't see
it either. We don't know what happened. We don't need
to know what happened, you know what I mean. It's

(02:10:17):
just she got set off for some reason. It screwed
them all up, and that's how they all get busted.
You know. I just think that's so brilliant, and we
don't need it all spelled out for us, and we
don't need three extra script pages, you know. But anyway,
so then we pick up with Bob. Now, yeah, sixteen
late years later, he's you know, drunk and stoned and

(02:10:40):
doesn't remember anything, all the passwords, but he's still very
he's very paranoid, and he's worried about Willa, and he's
like making sure she's always taken precautions. You know, you
can't have a cell phone. And this was the conceit.
I freaking loved these I don't know what, you don't
call him, like these pagers, right, these special pages where
they each play a different melody, but when they're they're silent,

(02:11:03):
but when they're within one hundred feet of each other,
they activate one another and those two melodies become one melody,
right right, So it's like, if this goes off and
someone else has the thing that's playing the counter melody,
you can trust them. So anyway, he's she's going to
a school dance and he's forcing her to take this
unique pager with her. And so when she goes into

(02:11:25):
the bathroom and then the pager goes off, I dude,
I like lean forward, like what And then and then
it's like the counter melody, and the melody is so haunting. Yeah,
you know what I mean. It's it's it's not just
sort of like a Nokia ring.

Speaker 1 (02:11:43):
It's like this.

Speaker 2 (02:11:44):
It sounds like a you know, like I don't know,
like glass wineglasses when you rub them, you know, And
it's just this haunting sort of melody. And then you
see Regina Hall, who has been missing for sixteen years,
like hey, and you're like, what is it? And the
way that the camera, just like you were saying earlier,
doesn't just slowly pushing in on this. You see Willa,
who's probably dismissed her dad for sixteen years, being like, oh,

(02:12:07):
like this is real and this is happening.

Speaker 1 (02:12:09):
It's it's like John Connor and T two, right after
he finds out that the terminator is real.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
Yeah that I love that scene. It's amazing the tension
in it and the unique feel that it gives you, right,
I don't know. And then when the revolutionaries call DiCaprio
and he's like literally almost finished with like a joint
and they want him to finish like a you know,

(02:12:36):
a password, He's like, I don't know, man, I am
really stoned and I don't remember it. And then he
takes another hit after he says that, you just like
stop to get it together, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
So and then and then how the fact that that
becomes a runner for like the next forty five minutes
or whatever, right, just trying to kind of remember the
bad word. Uh, it was cracking me up, you know, dude.

Speaker 2 (02:13:03):
When he was at Del Toro's pad and yeah, he's
like on hold and he just goes life life. I
was like, well, that's my new DiCaprio meme, like life.

Speaker 1 (02:13:17):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:13:18):
Oh. And then when he got that rooftop when he's
like escaping with those guys, those skateboarders, and they're like
parkouring or I mean, well, it's funny because he starts
he's like all right, guys, come on, we gotta go,
we gotta hurry, and then they like start parkouring across
the roof. He's like whoa, okay, like trying to keep
up with them, and then he falls down that tree yep,
oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
And then and then those guys they called the tour
they're like, yeah, he fell off the roof, and.

Speaker 2 (02:13:45):
Yeah, he fell off the roof. The cops got him dude.
And then when like, uh yeah, and then when del
Toro picks him back up and he's just so chill
about it. He's again he's got a his own problems
that he's dealing with, you know, helping when he talks
about what does he say like the Mexican Harriet Tubman thing.

(02:14:06):
He's got the operation he's got going on. And so
then he like picks him up and he just gives
him a beer, like all right, let's go. And then dude,
when DiCaprio's drinking that beer right when they pass that
police officer, I think I made like a ah. And
then when the police officer has Del Toro and they're

(02:14:28):
kind of like making him walk the line you've been
drinking anything, He's like a few beers, Yeah, beers. He's
just like doing like a little he's just so at ease.
I was actually maybe it's better we didn't, but I
was like, well, what happened to him? I was hoping
we'd get a little follow up with him later.

Speaker 1 (02:14:44):
Yeah, I'm I'm kind of like, you know what, I
want to believe that they just let him off with
a warning and he's off, you know, doing it. I
hope so it is karate school. You know, I'm going
to manifest this, you know, the same way you did
with Mission Impossible. Yes, yes, with William Dunlow. I'm gonna
do the same thing. Like as far as I'm concerned,
he got off with a warning and then he went
right back to it. And you know, maybe you know

(02:15:06):
PTA's next movie is just focused on on on the Sense.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
You know, it's so funny because we were talking about
we're not so sure about a Weapons prequel. I would
watch a Sense prequel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything else
like that that stands out in your mind or.

Speaker 1 (02:15:25):
Well, I think one thought that is about Perfidia, Like
I kind of like that we don't see her again,
Yeah right, I mean, like we get that letter, but
you know, like I because I I think that we're

(02:15:46):
meant to have complicated feelings about her, you know, yes,
And I think that if you reintroduce her into the story,
it would force us to confront all the negative feelings
that would have built up.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
Yes, does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (02:16:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (02:16:05):
Yeah right, because let's face it, she she left a
whole pile of shit for everybody in her life to
deal with, and her daughter has spent a decade and
a half suffering because of her mom. And my thought,
like I just sort of assumed, Oh, they're gonna bring
her back at some point to close out her arc

(02:16:27):
M And I like that they instead chose they just
to just have that letter yes as a way to
situate her without us having to to you know. Again,
I just think seeing her, you just would it would
situate a lot more negative feelings towards her, as opposed
to sort of dealing with her the way the characters

(02:16:50):
have to deal with her, which is as an abstract now.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
Yeah, and you know, sometimes in another movie you would
have a character do what she did, but it would
be like, well, she's kind of like a that would
be her only function is to do something kind of
crappy that sets the story into motion. But I thought
she was such a well drawn character that I was like, No,
this feels in character for her, like she lives for

(02:17:15):
the cause and maybe a little bit of the chaos.
And we've seen a lot of examples of that in
you know, the first bit of this movie. So this
does feel like something that it tracks and I find
that what a fascinating character. Yeah, you know, and it
goes to what you were saying earlier too about what
to take away about this movie, and it's what it's

(02:17:35):
trying to say, or it's politics or whatever. And I
think we're sort of conditioned to mostly watch movies and think,
you know, here's our protagonist. He's going to be a
great guy, and we're going to follow him through thick
and thin and want to see him win. But oftentimes
we'll watch a movie This isn't a great example, but
something like Wolf of Wall Street and again it's like

(02:17:56):
DiCaprio and he's a protagonist and he's kind of making
us laugh. If you take a step back, you're like, no,
this guy's awful. Yeah, And the filmmakers are kind of
trusting you to like follow what they are laying down, which.

Speaker 1 (02:18:11):
Is like, in the case of that film, I would
say a misplaced trust based on how people have come
to view it in the last you know, decade and
whatever since it came out.

Speaker 2 (02:18:20):
Yeah. Yeah, And so I think this movie's kind of
similar in that we just feel like we're conditioned to
go in and think, Okay, well, these are our heroes.
But then the people who are quote unquote heroes are
doing things that we might not feel great about. And
so what I admire is the movie isn't really about
you know, like good or bad. It's just about a
bunch of complicated people and the situation they experience.

Speaker 1 (02:18:43):
You know. Yeah, I think that's that's the best way
to view it, right, I mean, it's it's not about
the politics, it's about the people.

Speaker 2 (02:18:52):
Yes, exactly, exactly. Yeah, you don't need to like try
to contort yourself to agree with everything that the people
in this movie are doing.

Speaker 1 (02:19:00):
Right, And in fact, I would encourage.

Speaker 2 (02:19:02):
You not to, Yeah, exactly exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:19:05):
It would strongly discourage that.

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
But you know I I I think, uh, what's what's
really great is that Bob is just a good dude man.
He just he'll do whatever he asked you for his daughter.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:19:19):
Yes, And it's so about really you know.

Speaker 2 (02:19:23):
Yeah, and he's in that that crummy little car. It's
so funny because it's like that the assassin's driving like
I don't know what it was, like a Cobra or something,
and you got these engine noises and then when it
cuts to Bob's car, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
Like, me, look with that with that freaking horrific spoiler
on the back yeah, right right. I just kept getting
distracted by that hideous thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:19:44):
But but he'll stop it nothing, He'll stop it nothing,
he'll he'll he'll Yeah, if he.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
Has to drive a car with a horrific spoiler, then
god damn it, that's what he's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
Yeah. Well, a couple more things. Uh that scene between
uh lockjaw and willa, Yeah amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:20:04):
You mean you mean the DNA testing.

Speaker 2 (02:20:06):
The DNA test that was like just everything about it.
I mean, like the the awkwardness, you know, where at
some points it almost seems like he's being slightly paternal,
but then he'll like turn and say something weird and
like messed up and like completely unfeeling, and you're like,
who is this guy? And then you know, they do

(02:20:26):
a great little shorthand for you the audience where it's like,
if these line up, I was.

Speaker 1 (02:20:30):
Just about to say, you just you literally just took
the words out of my mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:20:34):
Yep. Yeah, you don't want to see these things line up,
And then we don't need.

Speaker 1 (02:20:38):
To know how does the DNA test work. It's that's
all you need. If it's a straight line, you're in
some trouble. Yeah, And let's see how much drama we
can get out of this broken line slowly shifting into
place the answer all the drama. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's it's like the equivalent feeling of a car

(02:20:59):
chap wanting your hero to get for you know, to
the end of the whatever. But then it's just like
watching these things slowly fall down and you don't want
them to land in a certain configuration. And then she
has her like Luke Skywalker Darth Vader moment, like Darth
Vader's my father, ye, and like the look on her face,
you know, oh man, so good.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
I could go on, don't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:25):
Yeah. I mean, it's just that there's a lot of
great moments.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's just it's it's a lot of movie,
and it's I love that it does feel slightly off kilter.
It does feel still very much like a Paul Thomas
Anderson movie, but it does feel different in a lot
of ways too. And I do think if people can
trust it, you know, go into it and trust it

(02:21:48):
and try to get on its wavelength. And if they do,
I think they're really gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:53):
Yeah, I you know, And I will say, like when
it ended, I was like oh, I liked it, but
it's definitely one of those things that really the more
I let the t steep, so to speak, the more
I was able to appreciate all all the nuance that
the movie brought in and.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:22:12):
What he was doing effectively.

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
I want to say the same thing because I also
I feel like I walked in with the burden of
people being like, this is the greatest movie I've ever seen,
and like this has taken over The Godfather on letterbox
and this is that, you know, that kind of thing,
and I'm like, don't do this to me, because this
is in my head, you know, when I'm watching. Thankfully,
I was able to shut that out a bit, and
but I did have that feeling where I was like,

(02:22:36):
that was very good, right, But then I started thinking
about things and whatever. But then I realized, like, oh wait,
that does make sense because this was kind of set
up here. And then, like you said, I let it steep,
and I.

Speaker 1 (02:22:51):
It just stuck with me, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:22:53):
Chad and I saw it together and we were both
kind of had similar feelings where we liked it a lot,
but we're still processing. And then the next day we
texted each other and We're like, man, I can't stop
thinking about that movie, you know, and you're like, yeah,
I just I don't know, I don't know. I it's
it's it's it is very good. But I also am

(02:23:13):
am bringing a separate feeling where what you said earlier,
it's exhilarating watching something unique and interesting and different, and
that you walk out feeling like, wow, what an experience.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
Yep, well said, I mean, I don't think good, there's
anything more we need to say.

Speaker 2 (02:23:30):
All right, well, yeah if you if that's if that's you,
then I'm good too. Well, and then that ending too,
of course. I mean it's pretty crazy with Lockjaw going
into that office thinking I was definitely I was.

Speaker 1 (02:23:44):
I was wondering how his like, you know, because you
have the scene earlier where where the you know, the
our our friendly band of white supremacists they send, you know,
because they find out he has a black child, and
so they send their assassin. And then I mean he
gets shot in the head, his car flips over. You're like, okay,

(02:24:05):
well he just punched his ticket, right and then and
then Bob even finds him and he's just like a
bloody husk of a guy. So you're like, okay, well
that's that's the end of that chapter, right, And then
the fact that we see him then like just kind
of sprinting down the road with just just a just
a you know, a baked tomato of a head.

Speaker 2 (02:24:27):
Yes, exactly, like you remind me of the T one
thousand honestly, like emerging from the rubble and doing this
like unique gate down you know, this open freeway.

Speaker 1 (02:24:37):
Because he's just that's how determined he is to join
their little club.

Speaker 2 (02:24:41):
Yes, And so there was.

Speaker 1 (02:24:42):
Definitely like as soon as they're like, hey, Steven, you
know you've joined the club, I'm like, no, bullshit, there's
no way. So I was like, I was like, they're
about to, you know, they're they're about to to finish
him off. And the only thing I was wondering was
how they were going to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
And you have him with that crazy skin graft, oh geez, yeah,
you know, and then like the eye and it's just
like oh wow, like just what a what a crazy character?
I mean after all that, and he's still there back
in his little suit.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
Right you know, well, like you said, just what a sad,
pitiful man. Yes, yes, you know, tragic in his own way.

Speaker 2 (02:25:22):
Yeah, but no less a piece of shit for it
exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:25:26):
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