Ep. 332: Avatar: Fire and Ash

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome Friends, its podcast podcasting time show Jacky again by
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome to Movie Film. It's episode three thirty two, brought
you by mister Boyd Productions. I'm Zachy issn. I'm here
with Brian All.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
Hey, how's it going, Zachi? When is this?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
We're past the mid point of December. We've got a
fun commentary coming up for the week ago Christmas that
I'm looking forward to dropping. And yeah, I guess it's
that time.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're wrapping up the year, wrapping up the year, but
there is still some bonus content coming on the Patreon feed.
So if there's some topics that you're wondering, hey, why
didn't we talk about this, Well, it's it's over. It's over.
It's over yonder way.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, that was something as we were sort of reflecting
back on the year and thinking about the show and
how we can continue to refine. And you know, we
started the Patreon this year and we're so grateful for
everybody that's over there supporting us, and we're like, how
can we add even more value for everyone over there?
And we've decided that I was going to say, beginning
in twenty twenty six, but really, beginning today, we will

(01:12):
begin dropping exclusive bonus material on the Patreon feed each month,
additional conversations ranging from talking about the latest trailers, to
extra headline discussions, or even just topics we think might
be fun to explore and riff on. So the regular
show will remain the same, but we'll be offering additional
conversations for subscribers to enjoy and hopefully anyone else who'd

(01:35):
like to join us.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Indeed, but what have you been seeing lately?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You know, man a lot. Probably ye, you've.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Had a busy couple weeks. I feel like, yeah, well we.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Said that. You know, we've both seen the New Knives
Out movie Wake Up dead Man and review forthcoming, so
we will we will cover that shortly. But I do
want to knowledge that, and I think that's what I
what I will say really quickly about that is I
feel like I watched it wrong the first time I

(02:09):
went into it, and I was thinking like I'm ready
for a romp and it is not a romp. And
I think I had these feelings like oh hm, like
I'm not sure I feel about this, but it it
never left me, like I just kept thinking about it
and I was like, what an interesting movie? Like, I
just kept thinking about different things and themes and moments,
and I actually, I plan on I'm going to watch

(02:30):
it again because now that I know what it is,
I want to view it, you know, on its terms,
and be extra prepared for our discussion about it. So yeah,
I'm looking forward to talking about that. One.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
My only thought is, having having watched this movie and
the previous two Knives outs, I'm like, this, this Ryan
Johnson guy, I'd like to see him try his hand
at a Star Wars. I feel like he's got the juice.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Ye, well, yeah, this feels like an alternate timeline that
we're visiting where that hasn't happened. And then one of
us is like, no, spare his feelings. But you know
something else I have to bring up. This is before
I get into the movies I've watched. I think the
last Regular episode I talked about watching the movie Sentimental

(03:18):
Value with Daln scarsguard El Fanning, that's right, and an
actress named Renaut reins Vee who when I was talking
about it, I don't even know that I even said
her name, because I was like, oh, I don't know
how to say her name. I apologize with apologies to
this actress. And it's a shame too, because she is

(03:41):
such an enormous part of why that movie is so successful.
She's wonderful in it. I'm sure she's going to be
nominated for awards. But I was like tiptoeing around saying
her name. And listener and our friend Bushra texted me
a video from you two called Rena Rhinsveay. Says renat Rehinsveay.

(04:04):
It's basically three seconds of her in the Criterion closet,
just saying her name so people will know.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
So idiots like Brian Hall won't make assholes out of themselves.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Well, I as soon as I saw the video, I
laughed because I remembered in my text messages. I laughed
because I remember that I kind of avoided saying it
in the show. And I go, oh, man, this is
really funny, and she goes, no, it's just hilarious because
you and Zachie followed that up by asking why people
don't google things, and I was like, oh, And so

(04:38):
she googled it and she found a video of the
actress actually saying her name, and I was like, well,
well done, well done, touche was hoisted.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
By one's own petard.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
One might say, yes, but yeah, I actually wish I
had spoken about her more when I talked about that movie, because.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Well, now you can now say her name.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Shines, she triumphs and sentimental value and I'm I say
it jokingly, but it's true, she really does.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Let me tell you who you shouldn't tiptoe around. Not
to Rhine's age, I say, I say the nay yes.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
But anyway, I thought that was so funny and I
even made like a note so I wouldn't forget to
bring that up in this episode.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, the lesson is from now on, if you in
the pre recording phase, if you have an actor or
performer's name, or any but any name, just just do
a Google.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Oh yeah, it's out there, you can find it. Yeah,
And did you ever think about all the things on YouTube?
Everything I'm looking for? Is there? Everything? And someone had
to take the time to parcel out that little portion
you know, it was from a Criterion closet thing that
she did, and they took the three seconds where she

(05:51):
pronounces her name, dice it up and took the time
to upload it on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
So it's I marvel at that that there's so many
people doing the Lord's work, putting all that stuff up
there for us. So I've got to listen to my
own advice, and when I'm not sure about something, I
got to google it.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Well.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, thank thank you anonymous stranger for having having taken
taken that that plunge.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yes, and to Bushruff for sending me that video. I'll
mention this real quick because both of these things I
don't think are in theaters anymore, but they're just worth mentioning.
I went and saw Kill Bill the Whole Bloody Affair,
which is apparently how Quentin Tarantino originally intended that movie
to be presented. One long ass movie.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And so, but you know what Paul Dano thinks of
Kill Bill the Whole Bloody Affairs.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
I imagine that line from Don Draper, do you remember
that when he's in the elevator with that sort of
underling character and he's just like, I don't think about you,
I don't think about that's Paul dan I think this
Paul Dana out about Kill Bill Bill back in theaters.
I'll just mention it because I was curious what it
would be like, would it just feel like the two

(07:07):
movies kind of taped scotch tape together. It was a
four and a half hour running time, How would that feel.
I didn't feel that time at all. Actually I saw
it with my friend Chad, and when the intermission started,
we both looked at each other like, I don't know,
I'm ready, Like let's just keep going like that movie

(07:28):
flies It just flies by, and it was very cool.
It's very cool seeing on the big screen again. Weird
to think of it as kind of a classic, I guess.
I mean it's twenty years old. I feel like I
remember seeing that in theaters not that long ago. But yeah,
the experience was good, and if you're a fan of
Kill Bill, I do think the tweaks are minor. But

(07:50):
I did feel the momentum of it all, even with
an intermission in the middle. Just seeing the whole story
at once so very cool, very cool sperience. And then
also The Shining was playing in Imax theaters this past week. Yeah,
and you know you and I really love The Shining

(08:10):
And my friend was like, do you want to go?
And I was like, huh, yeah, sure, you know what
not and my theater just got an Imax screen, so
it's kind of new being able to go to one
whenever I want. And dude, it was incredible. I mean,
especially because it's such a visually distinctive film, you know,

(08:32):
the framing, the way that the camera moves, and how
everything is so centered and there's so many details. This
restoration was stunning, just absolutely stunning. And and so I
mean on an IMAX screen projected so large, it looked immaculate,
and having this screen that basically filled my vision, I mean,

(08:58):
I was immersed. I just experienced that. It was like
one of the movies you kind of wish you could
see again for the first time. I feel like I
got to see it again for the first time. It
was and I was actually like, I want to go again.
I looked at showtimes to see if I could go again,
and it was only playing for the weekend by me, unfortunately,
So if it is I saw in other theaters, it

(09:20):
is continuing to play throughout the week So if people
can go and they're interested, I recommend, man, I hope
they Just I love this. I love that all these
older movies are coming back, you know, in these special
experiences Imax or whatever, and it's it's great. I love
showing up for those getting back to this century. Well

(09:42):
not exactly, kind of an awardzy movie that's out there
right now. I saw a Hamnet not yes.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Chloe Jao, Chloe Jao, who you're a big Chloe Joao
fan as I recall.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
I was. She's very interesting. I mean I saw her
film The Writer, which is kind of an interesting story
about a rodeo ride who gets injured and wants, you know,
has to get back in the saddle again literally, and
it features real people, so it's it is like a
quote unquote fictional narrative, but it is inspired by this

(10:14):
real person who's playing himself their life. And it was
just this weird, I don't know, slice a lifey almost
documentary feeling filmed that had like real big, you know,
emotions to it and I really loved. And then you know,
she did No Madland and The Eternals, and she's been
kind of you know, some things have landed more successfully

(10:36):
with me than others, but she is always interesting.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
No, No Madland was good.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
I like Nomadland. Hamnet is basically let me. I always
go to like IMDb because they sum it up so
well after losing their son Hamnet to plague. Agnes and
William Shakespeare grapple with grief in sixteenth century England and
with this movie, you know, so poses is maybe the

(11:01):
play Hamlet, which grapples with death, was inspired by Shakespeare's
son Hamnett. I gotta say this movie was a bit
of a mixed bag. For me. It's it's it's a melodrama,
and I think it will work better for some than others.
What I will say it's strength is is this is

(11:23):
an acting showcase. You know, at times in this movie,
these actors are acting, and I think I found myself
impressed by it and occasionally distracted by it at the
same time. And so I could see it kind of
depends on the person. I think some people will watch
that and just really be like, wow, these people are

(11:43):
really you know, and there are moments. I mean it's
in the log line, you know, they lose their son,
and Jesse Buckley playing the mother, I mean, she's just
you know, from the depths of her soul, just you know,
mourning and you know, moaning and just crying over it.
Is It's difficult to watch. And I mean that in

(12:05):
a good way, Like it's just raw these performances, and
then other times it gets a little big, you know,
and I found myself just being like, well, it looks
like the actors are really like enjoying going for this.
It is also kind of interesting because, aside from the
fact that these people actually existed, we don't know anything
about this moment, so really it's kind of a fictionalized

(12:28):
imagining of what if they were like this, and what
if this event inspired this, And so there's like a
moment where, you know, people think the wife, there's rumors
about her. It's like some say she's a forest witch,
you know, and so it shows her like walking through
the forest, and occasionally it'll seem like she has these
heightened sensitivities or connection with the forest, which kind of

(12:53):
made me chuckle a little bit. Just the fact that
these were real people and we don't really know any
of this, and so I was like, I was like
imagining a movie about my life, you know, one hundred
years from now or whatever. And it's like, yeah, you know,
his brother Dan, could you know, communicate with wolves with
his mind? You know, Like like what like, well that
much is true, Well that is true, and I hope
they don't bresure that now I just just funny. I

(13:15):
don't know. Something about that kind of tickled me a
little bit, but like they had to heighten it in
some sort of way just to I don't know why,
to be honest, but the emotions are big, and I
gotta say, oh, the boy who plays Hamnet is a
friggin miracle. This kid is one of the best child
actors I've ever seen, just the emotions and the heart

(13:41):
that he's able to. Like you know, you see child
actors and there's a little bit of a you forgive
them a little bit when they can't reach certain heights
or something, because frankly, they probably haven't experienced some of
these emotions in their life. At this point, he's a
very young little boy, and this kid is so good
and his really relationship with his sister is so beautiful

(14:03):
and just so sweet to watch. So if it sounds
like I'm all over the place, it's because I was
with this movie. Oh and then at the end, I
mean this is in the trailer, we get to see
a little bit of Hamlet, and the wife Jesse Buckley,
goes to see it and she's kind of experiencing it
like the movie sort of portrays it where she doesn't

(14:25):
exactly know what Shakespeare is up to, what he's working on,
and then she goes to see this play and realizes
that it's some sort of expression of his grief. I'm
sorry if this is a little spoilery. I don't think
it is. But I don't think we're going to talk
about this movie much else, and I have to mention this,
but basically, just I think to heighten the drama of it,
the way that they have her show up in the theater,

(14:46):
she just is acting so like, what is this, what's
going on? What's this play? And then the play starts,
and then the character's named Hamlet. She's like, what what
his name's Hamlet? My boy's named Hamlet too, And it's
just so I know, you're trying to convey what she's
experiencing inside. But she's saying these very obvious, blunt things
out loud that almost make her seem a little dim

(15:07):
I thought. And it's funny because I actually, out loud,
was like, shut up, like I think I actually said that.
And what I loved is in the movie, everyone around
her goes sh so I was like, okay, so it's
not just me, like, everyone is like, why does this
woman keep talking? She's like talking through the whole thing,
as if she's never seen a play before. She doesn't

(15:28):
understand what's happening. But I think maybe having her Jesse
Buckley's an incredible actress, I think we would have gotten
it from her face, but I I gest but that
moment is very powerful and funny enough. This story kind
of reminded me of the movie ghost Light, which I

(15:48):
recommended a while back on the show, which is another
movie about some apparent processing grief through the work of
William Shakespeare. That one's in modern times and he's in
a play Romeo and Juliet, and it helps him process
grief over losing his son. And I feel like I

(16:11):
connected with that movie a little bit more than I
did with this one. So strong moments, but I'm not
sure I connected with it as a whole. But I
imagine it's going to come up in awards conversation quite
a bit because the direction is pretty striking and the performance.
I didn't bring up Paul Mascal, but he's in it
as well, and they're all very strong, so I'll be curious,
be curious what happens with that one.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Well, if it does well, I hope, I hope it's
offens the ground for my script about processing grief through
the work of Vanilla Ice.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Is it through a restaging of the movie cool as
Ice naturally? Or I was gonna say, is it through
his his album? Is it through a.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Little from column, a little from Columby?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Do you have a title for it? Yeah, black Ice,
black Eyes, Bravo, you got my vote. I'll be stumping
for that one that awards season Tumar, I want to
talk about I saw a movie called it Was Just
an Accident. Have you heard about this one? No? This?

(17:15):
Oh my goodness. I heard the premise of this and
I was.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Like, I hear that phrase multiple times throughout the day
when my kids do anything. But it was just an
accident as there's like flames behind them, Oh yeah, constantly. Yeah,
fire in one corner, water in the other. It's it's
we're covering all the elements in my house.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
This movie, again, reading from IMDb, says an unassuming mechanic
is reminded of his time in an Iranian prison when
he encounters a man he suspects to be his sadistic
jailhouse captor. Wow, So what makes this movie. Really, that's
an interesting premise to begin with. But what makes it
interesting is when he was a captive, he was blindfolded

(17:56):
the whole time, so he has not seen his captor.
He hears their voice in real life now.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
And he recognizes his aftershave. Yeah, essentially, and he's just joking.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
No, but they're kind of it like the musk. The
person has a prosthetic limb so that he hears like
a little squeak when he walks. And he is eighty
five percent sure this is the guy, and so he
wants to kill him, to torture him back whatever, but
he's not sure. And so basically the movie is he

(18:32):
rounds up some fellow ex prisoners to help him try
to confirm this guy's identity, and some of them are
certain it's him, some of them aren't. And it's what
an incredible premise, and this is a great movie. It's
very powerful. I think this is going to come up
a lot during award season. Also, I will admit when
it started, like the first forty five minutes or so,

(18:54):
I was a little worried because it was starting to
get a bit repetitive, where like he wasn't sure so
he round someone up and then they'd be like, I'm
not sure, Let's get someone else. I'm not sure. But
as he collects these people, it's their different personalities that
become very interesting because they all experienced this horrifying thing together.
Now they have gone on to live their lives and

(19:15):
they're just one of them's getting married, one of them
is a photographer, one is you know, a doctor, and
just and no matter who they are, what they're doing
now like this brings them back to that the worst
moment of their lives. Wow, you know, And I will say,
with an amazing premise like this, it's almost easy to

(19:37):
come up with a premise like this, But how do
you land the plane? How do you come up with
a successful and satisfying ending to such an intriguing premise?
Is it him? Is it not? You know? What do
they do when if they find out he is or
if he isn't?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (19:54):
And I was really, you know, maybe when there's thirty
minutes left, I started thinking about it, like, oh, how
do you like end in a way that is going
to feel wow, satisfying? And for me, I really like
how they landed the plane. I think it's really potent ending.
And I listened to another podcast where they were talking

(20:14):
about it and they one of them didn't like the ending.
I was like, oh, interesting, so I'll put that out there.
But for me personally, it's tricky, and I think they
found an interesting way to do it. So yeah, I definitely,
you know, I mean, this isn't a movie just throw
on on Christmas Eve necessarily, but I think if that

(20:38):
sounds interesting to you, I think I recommend it. It
was just an accident. A movie you could put on
on Christmas Eve that I saw is a movie called
Song Sung Blue.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Okay, have you heard of this? I've heard of it.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah. So this is with Kate Hudson and Hugh Jackman
and again from IMDb. Lightning and Thunder, a Milwaukee husband
and wife Neil Diamond tribute act experienced soaring success and
devastating heartbreak and their musical journey together. I gotta admit
I didn't know a ton about this movie. I know
it's coming out Christmas Day, and I got a screener

(21:18):
for it and it looked like I like musical movies. Right.
It's by Craig Brewer, who did Hustle and Flow, and
I was intrigued by the idea that it was a
true story. All I knew, yeah, it's like a Neil
Diamond tribute act, and this is the story of their lives.

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And I, you know, I got admit when it started,
I wasn't quite sure what I felt about it, because
in a strange way, it almost reminded me of like
a Disney film in that it's in its tone, like
it's just very straightforward, very gentle. I don't want to say,
like on the nose, but like you know, characters behave

(21:59):
in these kind of like you know, straightforward sorts of ways.
And then later it hit me I was like, oh,
it's not like necessarily straightforward, it's it's just sincere, you know.
And it made me realize, like.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Movie we're not used to that.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, movies are too afraid to be sincere. These days.
I feel like I feel like they have to undercut everything.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
You have to say, well, that just happened exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
They have to get the cutting comment in before the
audience does, and they gotta like poke fun at these
people a little bit, or like, you know, Hugh Jackman
actually looks quite a bit like Neil Diamond. Maybe with
his hair styled and everything. And instead of like you
look ridiculous, Paul, or you know or something and like
like some sort they just never do that. They're like, hey,
you look great. Are you happy doing this? I am
happy doing this? Then that makes me happy, Like that's

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the tone of this movie.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I don't understand the world you're describing to me. That
sounds odd and frightening.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Well, I began to admire the movie for doing that. Yeah,
And I've got to say in the log line, it says,
you know, they they have some successes and they have heartbreaks,
and I didn't know what those were. I literally didn't
know what I was getting into with this movie. And

(23:17):
I dude, I cried, like tears down my cheeks cried.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
During this movie. There's a moment I yelled really loud,
like reacting to something, and I actually was like, oh, shoot,
Like I don't want my neighbor to think I'm like,
I don't know, yelling at someone or something. But it
got wrung a lot of emotions out of me, and

(23:42):
I left this movie feeling great. I just I don't know,
I love it almost like sports movies. Right. We talked
about where it's like you know, it's usually involves an
underdog and there's a goal and you want to see
them achieve it, and it's just always satisfying watching them
work really hard and then chase their dreams typically you know,
achieve them. And I thought this movie was really darn

(24:07):
nice and I would recommend it. I would recommend that
they should put that on the box. Really darn nice.
Brian Hall Movie Film Podcast. But yeah, this is a
movie I think you could watch at Christmas with your family.
I hope we see some more sincere films.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
So, you know, speaking of Hugh Jackman, did you see
the trailer for this new movie. I think it just
dropped today. It's called Sheep Detectives. No, Yeah, it's coming
from Amazon MGM, and it's Hugh Jackman as a shepherd
and he loves his sheep. He takes care of his sheep.
He every night before they go to bed, he reads

(24:48):
them mystery stories, okay, and then he dies, oh mysteriously okay,
and so the sheep have to solve the mystery of
his murder.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Oh my gosh, this sound so like something I would.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Like, right, I was like, that's adorable.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'm looking it up. Yeah, Okay, when does this come out?
So this is an Amazon thing?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be in theaters though.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
It's based on a book. Okay, oh, May twenty six,
I'll watch that. I'm into it, you know. And I
was watching this thinking how much I love Hugh Jackman. Yeah,
and I want to say the same about Kate Hudson.
She is really wonderful in this. She's given a lot

(25:33):
to do, She's a lot of it involves performing and singing,
and she has a great voice and she's just so
I was like beguiled by her watching it.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And it was beguiled by her when I met her
in person. I put that out there.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I literally thought about that. Actually, I was thinking if
I saw her in person, I could imagine like getting lost,
like just you know, looking at her because she's so
beautiful and just charming and you know, like a ray
of sunshine or something, and that she brings it into
her role here. And Hugh Jackman, I mean, he just
plays this guy you're you just love and you're just

(26:06):
rooting for him. And there could be something almost a
little sad about watching someone in his phase of life
pursuing this kind of crazy dream where you're almost like, look,
I really want this for you, but like, is this
the best decision for you to be making when you
know what I mean, and Hugh Jackman doing it, you're like,

(26:27):
you do have those feelings, but you're like, I don't know, man,
if it makes you happy, then I'm happy. So and
of course he's performing a lot too.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Well. That basically describes Hugh Jackman's decision to go back
to playing Wolverine too, right, like, yeah, sure, you know what.
I don't know if you should be doing it at
this stage, but if it makes you happy, then I'm happy.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
And we loved, we love to see it, so hey, yeah,
if it makes you happy, then we're happy. But yeah,
this is just a night. This is a movie I'll
probably watch with my family when they're here out.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, Well, well, you know, while we're talking about just
movies that make you feel good, I just wanted to
drop in a little mention of the SpongeBob movie The
Search for Square Pants. Yes I was opening you would, yes,
which which you know this is now SpongeBob number four
for those of you keeping track of movies. Wow, yeah, yeah,
and and you know it's it's it's in theaters now.

(27:18):
It's counter programming against the avatar Onslaught. That's a coming
and I think, and I dropped a review for the paper,
so I'm reiterating some of my thoughts. But my big
takeaway is SpongeBob has not changed at all, and that's
exactly what we want. We don't want him to change.

(27:38):
We just want him to be SpongeBob, and that's what
makes him adorable. You know.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
I was very lucky my friend invited me to the
Paramount Christmas tree lighting. Oh nice, okay, And it was
this big event. I mean, they literally shifted in snow
or created snow and there's a whole little path area
where kids can build snowmen and have snowball fights, and
there's a stage and a band and food. And one

(28:06):
of the events was they were showing the SpongeBob movie.
Nice okay and this one. Yeah, And so my friends
it was kind of like why not, you know, because
it's part of the evening. And it's funny because I
would say the feelings ranged and we were all, you know,
grown adults, and the feelings range from like indifference to

(28:27):
like mild amusement. And I sat between them cackling. I
laughed so hard at this movie. I think your review
hit it on the head. I mean, it's it's exactly
what you think it's gonna be. And if you enjoy
enjoy that flavor, if you enjoy the like endless optimism
of SpongeBob, no matter what is thrown at him, you're

(28:49):
gonna how can you not enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I love the animation. I like that they're going CG
for the movies.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
It's pretty, it's seamless. I think the transition it's good. Yeah,
it tains its quirkyiness.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, I agree. The other thing I really liked is
that mister Crabs, voiced by Clancy Brown, actually gets like
an arc in this one, you know, yeah yeah, And
I was just thoroughly charmed by that. I enjoyed getting
to spend time with mister Crabs. And and of course
Mark Hamill shows up as the voice of the villain.

(29:23):
He's the flying Dutchman.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
It feels like he's having a blast her.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
I'm like, I'm like, Mark Hamill is having the time
of his life, and I'm here for all of that.
There's actually a very funny bit on I think it
was on the Kimmel Show this week, where he's Jimmy
Kimmel has Mark Hamill standing around on and around his

(29:50):
own star on the Walk of Fame to see if
anybody recognizes him. Okay, and nobody recognized really like one
person does.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Oh my gosh, I would feel like I was in
a dream. If I, like, was that hanging out down
there and saw his star and looked up and saw
Mark Hamill, I'd be like what.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
But that's the funny thing because I was watching it
with the I'm gonna and if we were both like,
you know, if you were just walking by, yeah, that's
and he just like not you know, Mark Hamill wearing
glasses and just kind of looking regular, you wouldn't make
the contextual connection.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
I think that's true. And I think most people think
of his face as younger Luke Skywalker face.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I remember seeing Kimmel do a similar thing with Jennifer Lawrence.
Oh interesting, and it was like, can you name three
Jennifer Lawrence movies? She was asking them and they acted
like they didn't know her. And I think that's kind
of it. When you're not anticipating that and you're just
out looking around and there's some much to look at
on Hollywood Boulevard. You know, I don't know, you're just.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Not Yeah, I think you're not thinking in those terms. Yeah,
but that was a very funny bit. But but it was,
you know, in promotion of this movie obviously, And yeah,
he's having a blast and I enjoyed it. I'm very
curious how it will do against Avatar. My suspicion is
probably not great. I'm guessing yeah. Yeah, but as counter

(31:13):
programming goes, I guess that's pretty good. See. That's an
odd one, actually, now that I think about it, because
the Avatar is kind of meant to be a four
quadrant thing.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, I was just thinking that except for the very
teeny weeny ones, you know.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, but that's in theaters right now, also streaming right now,
it just started streaming. Is the second season of Fallout?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Okay, I want to hear about this. I haven't watched
season one, but I know a lot of people liked it.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
You'd like it, bro, Yeah, I think you would. Yeah.
This is of course based on the very very popular,
very long running video game franchise, and it is set
I think I mentioned this previously. It is canonical within
the game franchise, so it's not trying to reinvent it
or restart it. Smart. I agree that is smart, and

(31:57):
it is a very solid continuation, you know. It's uh,
the the main character is played by Ella Purnell and
and she's great and and Kyle McGlaughlin plays her dad,
who spoiler alert from the end of the first season,
but he's kind of a battie. And so we get
to see Coy McGlaughlin be be sinister, which is fun.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Uh, but but to me, the MVP is Walton Goggins.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Hmm, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
He plays a character called the Ghoul.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Oh yes, I can think, I can picture the face.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, he's kind of kind of like a like a
radiation skull looking face, and so he he looks that
way because of centuries of exposure to to you know,
the post apocalyptic radiation what have you. But but in
the beforetime, he was a movie star.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Oh I like that.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Okay, And so we're getting this like back and forth
storyline that's showing who he was and how his life
and and essentially leading into the the nuclear you know
exchange that gets gets the whole thing going. So we're
cutting back and forth and Walton Goggins is just one
of those guys man. I mean, like, he is just
a magnetic performer. And he's having a good year because

(33:15):
he was just tending in White Lotus at the start
of the year. Yeah, right, And and he's great here.
He was great in the first season. I love him here.
I think it's a fun show. I mean, I'm not
like a I don't know the game at all, so
I went in completely cold, and I've enjoyed the show.
My son, my oldest son, he's a he's a super
fan of the game, so he gets all little nerdy references, but.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
He likes it.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
He likes it.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
It's funny because because I remember when he was little,
you know, I took him to the first Fantastic Beasts movie,
sure right, and he was nine and he's like, ooh,
that's the that's the gleapiglop and that's the sniak to
poo and whatever. And I'm gona shut up.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Actually, if that's not a thing, you know it should be.
And then now he's doing the same thing, but watching Fallout.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Oh that's funny. It's you know, that's great.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
So so so he likes it just for all the
ways that ties into the game. I just I think
it's compelling, you know. I mean it's it's painting an
interesting portrait of life in in the after times. And
you know the tone, I think I think they nailed
the tone where it is there is an element of farce,
you know. We have the like various uh you know,

(34:36):
factions of humanity and and you'll get random pop ins
by like Macaulay Culkin and you know, Kamil Nagianni, you know.
But so there is this element of satire, you know,
but there is something serious underlying, which is like who
are we? Who are you? What? What makes one human?

(34:56):
When all of this is gone? You know, I I
I'm enjoying it. I I suspect you would like it too. Yeah,
I've got to get to it.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
I have a harder time starting series. But yeah, based
on your recommendation, that's it's on the list.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, and you know what's what's starting soon. I haven't.
I haven't started watching it personally, but I just received
the screeners second season of The Pit a Man. That show,
kick my ass. What a great show.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I know that is definitely on the list. That's I
feel like the list.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
The way to ensure Brian won't watch something is to
have it be on the list.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I know that makes me so sad because I don't
know that you're entirely wrong, but like I I believe
in the list. The list exists for a reason. Wait,
so when does that debut? Like?

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Next week? I think I think or next week is Christmas? Right,
so it'd be week after next be I think it's like, uh,
right after New Year's.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Okay, I mean, wasn't that just on season one?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
I think it's January?

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Holy crap, this year? Okay.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean, look, man, season one of the Pit. I
mean it is fifteen episodes and and it will pull
you in.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Yeah, I know, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
And the nice thing is you can binge it if
you want to, and and it's it's friggin noe Wiley dude.
I mean, I mean, he got his emmy rightly, so right,
But I gotta say I was way out on Front
Street being like, give this man his emmy. Yeah, you know,
and and you see him and and you know, obviously
for me, I mean I just rewatched er relatively recently,

(36:30):
and you know, you see him as John Carter in
season one of that show, and it's it's it's also
reflective of Noah Wiley as like a young Buckstrap just
kind of breaking in, you know, and you say, man,
here's a guy who's like he you know, you always
talk about this, right at that moment, season one, episode

(36:52):
one of Er, he has no idea that thirty plus
years later, he's still gonna be He will be working regularly,
he will be respected. You know, he has no idea
what's coming.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I love thinking like that. And and also I mean
the life of an actor. My gosh, like you're on
this hit TV show and then I'm sure you hope
you're gonna do some movies. And he was in Donnie
Darko and some things, and you know, you had that
Librarian's show, but like he wasn't in like Ocean's eleven
and these kind of sure, sure he would have loved
to have been, but he had no idea that like,
just give it a little, given a minute, you know

(37:25):
that next big thing is coming. Yeah, you just you
can't predict it.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
That's great? That makes me happy.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, you know what he was really good in was
Falling Skies.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Yeah, I'm familiar with it. I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Yeah, yeah, that was. That was great. He was very
good on that show.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
And he was in that Pirates of Silicon Valley movie.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah he played jobs.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, Jobs.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, that was like that was like in the nineties.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Yeah, that was It's gonna come back, right, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I mean that's like before iPhone and all that other stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Right, that's a good movie. Yeah yeah, that movie. Fun fact,
Joey Joey Slotnik plays Steve Wozniak, right, and Steve Wozniak.
I interviewed him a couple of years back. I was like,
who's your favorite you you know on screen? He said,
Joey Slotnik from Parts of Silicon Valley.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Oh that's cool. There you go, nice compliment.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Little data point.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Yeah yeah, well you You and I almost saw a
movie this week, but we didn't. We almost saw Ella
McKay elmckay.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
But but I feel like we are now part of
the great mass of humanity that has not seen Ela McKay.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I know, I know, just because you know, it comes
from James L. Brooks, and it definitely looks like a
throwback kind of film, you know, where it's like quirky
characters with a lot of heart, and they're all just
trying their best. And the reviews have not been kind. Ye,
and I've seen multiple places call it gas leak cinema.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Not ghastly, gas leak ghastly.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
And you and I were forwarding some of these things
back and forth to each other and then we were
both like, I don't know, I kind of want to
see it, yeah, And so we tried, but it didn't
come to be. But I think I will at some point,
out of curiosity to see ghas leak Cinema. But also
I have this sneaking feeling that I might kind of

(39:22):
enjoy it, like knowing what I'm getting in for, even
rolling my eyes through three quarters of it, but just
seeing something sincere you know what? Sure, I don't know.
Even if I'm like, nah, it's too bad that didn't
work out.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I'm kind of in the mood for it.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
I don't know, or am I getting grading because I
can imagine the quirky If all the characters are all
quirky and bouncing off each other and saying quirky things
to each other, that might dry me nuts. But I
don't know. You do you think you'll still get to
it at some point.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I would like to. But I was about to say
it's on the list, but we all know about that.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Oh no, I hate it. That's become shorthand for I'll
never get to it now.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
My thought, more broadly was, how you know James L. Brooks.
I mean, when's the last time he's had a zeitgeiste hit?
Was it as good as it gets?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I think it might have been because then he had
that movie how do you know? I think it's called
with Reese Witherspoon And yes, that's right, Paul Rudd. I
use it a lot in Cinematrix. It always gives me
a great score because nobody.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Nobody knows it is.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
My thought is and and actually this is something that
you and I have talked about, you know. I I
think that at some point it doesn't matter who you
are in terms of directing and the level of success
that you've had. You just sort of the audience just
moves on. M I know, right, you know, And and

(40:51):
I think that's that's it doesn't matter who it is, right,
I mean, you know, we got we got this new
Spielberg flick, which we'll be talking about in a second.
And I know that you and I and and people
of our ilk are excited. I don't know if a
Steven Spielberg film all caps means anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
When we were kids, this would be a cultural moment, right,
And I imagine it'll do fine, but I don't think
it will. Yeah, exactly like time moves on and.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Time moves on, you know. And I mean, look, look
no further than Francis Coppola and Megalopolis. Yeah right, And
you know it's like, right now, we're in this moment
where everybody's excited for the next Christopher Nolan joint and
he too. I mean, it's just the time is undefeated, right,
It's gonna happen everybody, And so you know, look, James L.

(41:42):
Brooks is doing fine. Just to be clear, he could
not make another movie for the rest of his life
and he'll still be rightly afforded all of the praise
for everything that he did accomplish. And plus you know
the Simpsons, but you know that that was my only
I don't even know if it's fully formulated thought. But
just like you know, no, I get it eventually, eventually,

(42:04):
it's just you're just done.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
You know. It's funny you say that because I've been
thinking about that. I had had that thought for some reason.
Maybe it was related to him and some other people.
But it's something that you, you know, we talk about
when people that we grew up with begin passing away.
It's a strange thing to see because usually when we
were younger, it was people that, like our parents were

(42:27):
familiar with, and we just know as figures that our
parents know. And when it becomes our people, like you,
just the older you get, the more you realize nothing
lasts forever. I mean, even like your favorite restaurant. I
think about this all the time. Like one of my
favorite restaurants closed during COVID, which wasn't an unusual thing,
but I just kind of imagined it would always be there.
And you're like, oh, like the nothing lasts forever, and

(42:49):
like even cultural dominance the Simpsons, for gonna sake, you
know what I mean, Like it's still there, but it's
not a fraction of what it once was culturally, but
just it doesn't matter how big you were, even Marvel.
Marvel's suffering, you know, like nothing less forever. And it's
interesting to see and I think it's something you can

(43:10):
only recognize the more time, Yeah, you live.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I think you're right, and you know, in a broader
sense when we talk about these these pop culture you know,
behemoths that that are obviously so prominent, you know, and
this is this is something I see a lot of
from from folks who are you know, maybe ten fifteen
years younger than me, where it's like, you know, don't

(43:39):
you know, don't let this thing change that I like,
don't keep like if you keep going with it, make
sure it stays the same way as the way I
like it. And I'm like, well, I used to be
I used to feel that way. Now I don't get
worked up about it anymore because I'm like, well, everything changes,

(44:00):
and the thing that I liked in the way that
I liked it is always there, you know, I say.
You hear me say this all the time. I'm like,
if I want to feel, if I want Star Wars
to make me feel a certain way, I know the
Star Wars that'll make me do that, doesn't matter what
else comes out under that umbrella, you know, yep. And

(44:20):
that's just you know, so I think there is that
element for me of sadness and seeing this James L.
Brooks Joint just utterly die on the vine and become
kind of a joking and of itself because I'm like,
you know, he's James L. Brooks and he's given so much,
you know, joy and humor to the world, you know.
But it's like, I mean, look, the example I've used

(44:41):
all the time is like Bob Hope post ninety four,
you know, right, It's like it doesn't matter who he
was at his peak. By the time he died, he
was like that, you know, that old guy who has
no bearing on anything, you know, Yeah, Bob Hope, George Burns,

(45:04):
you know, Johnny Carson. You know, like they can be
astride the culture at one point, eventually you know it's over.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, it's wild. I was.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I was watching The Simpsons just the other day. It
was the one where you know where Krusty like quits
the show and he becomes like a renegade comic. Yeah right,
And that's the one where where it's a comedy festival
and Bart is like he goes up to Jay Leno

(45:36):
and he's like, excuse me, do you know Jay Leno
or who where Jay Leno is something like that, and
Leno the anime Leno is like somebody got this kid
of TV.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah I remember that.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, right, And I'm like, that doesn't mean anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I know, right, yeah, which I mean just fifteen ish
years ago, well just fifteen years but like that whole thing,
you know, I mean he was at the forefront of
the news with the late night stuff that was going. Yeah,
it's just right, that's I don't know, I doubt many
of your students would maybe even remember that moment.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
No for sure, No, yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I
mean they don't remember Conan.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
You know. It's funny. I listened to you know, Conan O'Brien.
He's a friend and one of his I was like
a producer or someone who works on the show, was
talking about how he was going to go in for
like to a classroom of like I want to say
it was junior high kids, maybe even high schoolers, to
talk about what he does. I produce a podcast. But
they were debating, like will they know who Conan is? Yeah,

(46:37):
you know, and so that was kind of the thing,
and Conan was like, no, I think that makes it.
It makes sense that they wouldn't know me. And anyway,
he came back, reported back and said maybe about three
or four kids knew who he was.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
That sounds about right, Yeah, yeah, because you figure every
one of those classes is going to have at least
a few kids who are like my kids.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I was just gonna say that feels like us we
were maybe obsessed with Johnny Carson in a weird way
that most of our peers probably weren't. Right, We're like,
maybe not even obsessed, but we had like a just
a built in reverence for him for some reason where
it's like other people like what, I don't know, like
I'm watching like ThunderCats, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
But this is the thing though, right when when you
and I were in high school, people of our age
range would talk about Letterman like bits on Letterman. Yeah,
people watch that stuff, right, or for sure you know
bits that Conan did. Right. So the late night talk

(47:34):
shows were zeitgeisty in a way that they just simply
are not anymore, right, you know. Now we just got
your your your mister beasts and your whatnot, and yeah,
that's just where we are.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Wow, I don't know how we ended up here, Brian.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
I'm trying to think, what song hello, darkness wild?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
It feels like it.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
We just stare off into the middle distance, for a minute.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Ok okay, well, well before we fall too deep into
into our own Uh you know, no, that's.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Not the right word, but it just you just the
way you worded that and made me think of that moment.
It was like a synapse fired, the cadence of what
you just said with miss I will allow it.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
But we had some listener letters, So why don't why
don't we, why don't we throw to those.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
You have been for me?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Eighteen thousands all addressed that.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You got mailed.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Okay, Brian, we got a letter here. Uh, this is
from Ron de Marco.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
He emailed us at Movie Film Podcast at Gmail. In
our comedy says, hey guys, I was listening to your
latest episode and in your discussion about the Chair Company,
Brian mentioned his love of Detroit ters. Yeah. Yeah, Now,
I grew up into the Detroit area, and as I
would watch the show, I would marvel at just how
Detroit specific a lot of the pop culture and just
cultural references were. I always wondered, how did this play

(49:07):
outside of Detroit. I recommended it to a lot of
people because it's super funny, whether they were local or not.
But I did warn them that the show was very
Detroit specific. But now that Brian is someone who watched
it and who didn't grow up there, what did he
think of all the Detroit references? Did they fly over
his head? Did he still find them funny? I never
made the connection until now, but these references are like

(49:28):
when you both sometimes reminisce about TV in the Chicago
Land area. Again, great show, never miss an episode or
commentary track, and so often I want to interject, have
you ever considered guests?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Did you have? Yeah? Yeah, and thank you Ron. This
is such a great question because when I was watching it,
I became aware that I think it was There were
certain locations where I thought, oh, this isn't it feels
like they're covering a lot of ground in Detroit, like, oh,

(50:03):
this is like a place that if you lived there,
you would know what this area is or this park
or this mall or whatever. And likewise, some certain personalities
like I think there's a newsman in there that I
was like, I bet so. I don't know Tim Robinson's background,
but it started occurring to me like, oh, I wonder
if he's from Detroit and he's kind of making a

(50:24):
love letter to where he grew up. Oh, and featuring
all these people and local businesses and things. So yes,
I did pick up on it, but not with any
sort of certainty. I just got that feeling that that's
what was happening, and I did find them funny and endearing,
even though I wasn't connecting with them, just because it
just felt so, gosh, this is gonna be like the

(50:46):
pee wee word of the day sincere Like, it felt
like there was affection that was coming across through all
that and the way that things and locations were highlighted,
even the way they were filmed. There'd be these wide
shots like hey, look it's this spot, you know kind
of a thing, and that just delighted me. And it's
funny because like living in La I mean, I see

(51:07):
places I recognize all the time, and I still get
giddy about it, even though it's like, you know, it
kind of dominates locations in films and TV and it's
maybe not as special, But I love that sort of thing.
I love seeing things like that affectionately captured and highlighted
so well.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And I think even if you're not familiar with the
specific locale, I think just unconsciously we just plug into
the specificity of something.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Yeah, the authenticity too, you know, it didn't feel like,
you know, like always Sonny, which I'm not saying this
is a criticism, but it's filmed in Los Angeles and
occasionally they'll have b Roll or something from.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Philadelphia, Okay, And.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
It's so different when you watch something like Detroit Ter's
and you're like, oh, they're in Detroit, you know, and
they're celebrating Detroit and there's just something yeah, authentic and
charming about it.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah. Well, thank you for that, Ron.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
And here's another note we got, and this is from
Matthew Diamante, who also emailed us at Movie Film Podcast
emailed our comedy. He says, Hello, gents, since you mentioned
bad fan takes about Dial of Destiny, allow me to
take a swing now. This is in reference to in
our last regular show. I don't remember the context, to
be honest. We were talking about the Dial in Indiana
Jones and the Dial of Destiny, and we were talking

(52:29):
about the ending. How did we end up there?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
No, I tell you it because I was talking about
how my happy place is just being in my cave,
flipping through my old books and stuff. Yes, I got
old WPWR commercials plane.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yes, that's right, that's.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Right, and you know, just just let me, let me
stay here, leave me here a wombat.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Uh so here's what Matthew says.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
If Mutt Williams had to die via backstory, he should
have died while on an expedition with Indy, much like
Kirk losing Spock in the wrath of con during a
starship adventure, rather than some unrelated circumstance that would have
hurt Indy in the most personal way, lent credibility to
a separation from Marion and made him more protected of

(53:17):
protective of Helena once they got underway in their adventure.
Having Mutt enlist for the Vietnam War was laughably out
of character, and making his resulting death fourth wall breaking
jab at child a buff that derails Ford's otherwise powerful monologue.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
I do agree that it felt more like like a
comment to the audience. Yeah, like he's gone, okay, yeah,
you know, yeah, he died in combat, got it all right?

Speaker 2 (53:48):
He died on his way back to his own planet exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
It was kind of tossed off and yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
I can see that.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Like I think I think that what Matthew is saying, like,
if he had to be dead anyway, yeah, maybe yes,
So I would have preferred him not being dead, just
being honest.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
Have him show up or is he absent, or just
have him not there.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah, you know, I think, Look, I think I think
the notion of Indie and Marion being you know, it
is strange. I'm not crazy about it. I don't like that,
you know. I'm glad that they end up back together,
but I feel like if that was the story had

(54:33):
to tell, I feel like there's a better way to
get there.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm just looking at this from the perspective of my kids,
who to the one they're like they did mut dirty,
And I think that's very interesting because again, it's that
whole thing of like what we see right, like all
the hate that people from our generation have for the
Star Wars prequels, the kids who grew up with them
don't have same thing with kids who watched all four

(54:55):
prior Indiana Jones movies. Is just one thing they weren't
sitting there nursing a mad on for for Mutt Williams,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
That's kind of interesting with the Marion thing, I mean,
we talked about this, and it feels like that's the
problem occasionally with sequels is you have to you know,
break up everything that we enjoyed seeing solved previously correct,
you know, because we need to give them more problems
to overcome. And so then seeing them, you know, Indian

(55:24):
Marion get married at the end of Crystal Skull and
then it's like, oh, now they're divorced or you know,
unhappy or something or and then you know, in Han
Solo and Lea, I.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Was like, well, that's the problem. They redid the same beat.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I know, I know, and I didn't love it. I
didn't like knowing that Han and Lea weren't you know,
I'm sure they have difficulties, but like they've been separated
all these years, Like that's not yeah, but that's just like, well,
we got to start them with an issue and then
we can get them back together. It's like, I get
it the math, but it's not fun to watch. So
it's if, yes, maybe the what had happened to Mutt

(55:59):
had played more of an impact on why their relationship
is strained. That might have felt more organic or something right.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
I mean, to Matthew's point, I mean, look that monologue
that that Indie has that Harrison Ford delivers, It's fantastic,
it's great acting, it's very poignant, and I mean the
movie look, I mean I I do, ultimately I do
like the movie that we got. But yeah, I personally
this is just me. I would have found a way

(56:27):
to not have my dad. I'm not saying include him
in the movie. I'm saying just I think he can
be off somewhere, and you just you just you know,
throw off a mention of him with that, you know,
I don't know, I wasn't crazy about that.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Well, I see there's another part to this letter that
could be sort of related, where it's like, well, is
there an issue when you have a character and you
just don't want them there or they can't be there,
But then you're like, oh, they're over in this corner
that you can't see.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Matthew continues. He says, as for the Fast saga, with
all respect and again context, you and I were talking
about now the troubles around the next Fast and Furious movie,
and I think you and I both were like, it's
probably time to bring back the Brian O'Connor character. Even
though Paul Walker is deceased, and you know, well.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Vin Diesel certainly wants to do that. I just feel
like you're torn. I'm torn because I think, yes, with
the story that they've constructed, yeah, I do want to
see him again at the end of their adventures, whatever
that may be. But no matter what, even that beautiful moment,
I want to say, it's the end, at the end
of seven. Yep, you know, yeah, you can't help but

(57:34):
be taken slightly out of the film.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
But see, I disagree. I disagree. Really, I'll tell you why,
because I.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
About, oh, that's his brother and the visual effects.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
No, I think that given the context, people understand precisely
what that scene represents. Well, you can't separate you can't
separate that scene from the specific the world context. So
people with it.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Let me put it this way. I stand by what
I just said. I do think about the real worldness
of it. Yeah, but I meant think it was necessary
and I do. I think it was poignant too. I
thought it was beautiful. I think if you do it
again and we're.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
What we're talking about is at the at the end
of Furious seven. This was the film released after Paul
Walker died. There is a montage of you know, the
various Brian O'Connor scenes from the film in the context
of uh Dom and Brian are like racing, but it's
Brian is like quote unquote Brian because it's like a

(58:36):
digital mask over presumably Paul Walker's real brother.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Right, yeah, yeah, no, so I mean, but I think
that was I guess. Yes, I am slightly taken out
of it. Maybe it's just my brain and I'm just
thinking about filmmaking and whatever. But I think it was
well done, and I think it is beautiful and it
is perfect for that story. But I think if they
where to bring him back again, and I don't even

(59:01):
know how they would do it, I don't know, I
would be thinking about things instead of just being lost
in the story. I think I.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Think the problem is that they have waited so long.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Yeah, that's probably part of it.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
But again, it's what I said to you before, the
fact that the character still exists within the world makes
his absence very jarring because it's kind of like, oh, yeah,
where's Brian. Oh he's at home watching the kids, you know. Anyway,
So this is what Matthew says. He says with all
respect to Paul Walker's family. I think they should just

(59:38):
recast with Steven Emmel.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I am googling.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Yeah, Steven Emmel. For those of you who don't know,
he played the lead role in the series Arrow on
the WB for several seasons, and he was also on
Suit's La. He was the lead actor on it.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Oh, I see him.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Okay, Yeah, he's got the looks, the height, the voice,
to charisma, and it is just a few years younger
than Walker was. Please check out the attached picks, which
I should have showed those deep Brian, sorry and tell
me I'm wrong. Far better to do this than engage
in any CG slash AI nonsense. Well, I definitely agree
about the Ani portion. Luckily, Luckily, Brian, this is not

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our problem to solve and that nice.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah whatever, sort of Maybe I'm like subconsciously clenching right now,
feeling like the weight of this issue. But yeah, you
know what, I'll just show up with my fifteen dollars
and see what they come up with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
These are decisions that are above our pay grade.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Yeah. I don't know if Louis ever listens, but I
believe in you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Good luck, godspeed, godspeed. Hey, we got some headlines Brian.
All right, so there are several trailers that have dropped
in last couple of days. However, if you want to

(01:00:59):
hear us talk about those, you're gonna have to jump
over to our Patreon page. M is that mysterious enough?
We got your we got your Supergirl, yep, we got
your Disclosure Day, yep. We might even got your Jimmy.
What's a Jimmy? Well, you'll have to hear us talk

(01:01:20):
about that on our Patreon.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I mean, well, to elaborate a little bit, I mean,
we were realizing our episodes are getting quite stuffed. You know,
we're not just pushing two hours. We're going way over
two hours, and we have so many other things we
want to discuss. We want to you know, sometimes trailers
and uh and so we were like, you know what,
that's the perfect extra content, the type of thing we've
been wanting to add to the value of the Patreon subscriptions.

(01:01:47):
So yep, that's where you'll be able to find some
of those extra discussions we have, including those trailers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So heading on over there. In the meantime, however, some
news in the industry has has just dropped. So actually,
I wanted to make this guil Gerard passed away Brian
guil Gerard. He was eighty two years old. He was
probably best known for having played Buck Rogers in the
television series Buck Rogers in the twenty fifth century in

(01:02:12):
the late nineteen seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
Oh, just on the sixteenth I just googled it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, as it happens completely by chance. During the last week,
I was watching old episodes of Buck Rogers on my
blue rays. Oh really, and then and then and then this,
this passes my radar. And and it's a it's a
damn shame because you know this kind of guess what
we were talking about earlier in the episode, you know,
the people who are sort of from our lifetimes, you know.

(01:02:41):
Guil Gerard was eighty two and he passed after a
a fast bout of virulent cancer and really literally within
within days from diagnosis to death. Oh my gosh, really
very sudden.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Posted by his wife on his Facebook page. He left
a deathbed message for his fans that I wanted to share.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Okay, so this is again, this is posted to his
Facebook by his wife after his passing, and he says,
if you're reading this, then Janet has posted it as
I asked her to. My life has been an amazing journey.
The opportunities I've had, the people I've met, and the
love I've given and received have made my eighty two

(01:03:36):
years on the planet deeply satisfying. My journey has taken
me from Arkansas to New York, to Los Angeles, and
finally to my home in North Georgia with my amazing wife,
Janet of eighteen years. It's been a great ride, but
inevitably one that comes to a close as mine has.
Don't waste your time on anything that doesn't thrill you
or bring you love. See you out somewhere in the cosmos. Wow,

(01:04:02):
that's something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
That is what a wonderful thing he was able to do. Yeah,
I'm sure it felt good for him to express that,
and how wonderful for his family and fans to be
able to receive that. That's yeah, people don't always get
that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Did you ever watch the Old Buck Rogers show?

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
I like, I'm familiar with it, but not really. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I mean, you know, I think my exposure to the
show came from two reasons. Number One, my brother is
five years older than me, was really into it, so
I got into it because of that. And then you know,
I lived in Saudi Arabia in the during the eighties,
and so the shows that we got over there were
a couple of years later. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
This is something I'm realizing the more you mentioned that,
because every now and then there will be things that
you're really familiar with that I'm not. And I'm like, oh, so, okay,
that makes that makes sense because we were watching different channels.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you know, I probably
would have watched it, you know, between eighty three and
eighty five, something like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
But guil Gerard, in addition to having appeared in Buck Rogers,
he was also on a television show in the nineteen
eighties called Sidekicks Okay with Ernie Raised Junior. You know
Ernie Raised.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Yeah, Oh yeah, this when he.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Was a little kid. Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I didn't realize he'd been around that long.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah. He plays He plays a little boy martial artist
who's like the Chosen One or something, and guil Gerard
is a cop who has to who has to keep
tabs on him. Again, this is a show. I watched
it inside Abia. Again. He was also in The Nice
Guys he had. He had a small but key role
in that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
So interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Okay, yeah, but like I said, eighty two years old. Again,
this is getting into the vintage of folks that that
are very much part of the tapestries of our lives,
you know. So hearing this about guil Gerard it definitely
made me said, it made me cognizant of the fact
that we are getting further along in time, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Also, obviously this is this has been the big news
for the last last week. Rob Reiner has passed away.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Dude. Yeah, I still kind of wheeling from that one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I really, I so so I have a feeling if
you're listening to this, you already know the broad strokes.
But just just for the for the sake of being complete,
he he and his wife Michelle were stabbed to death
allegedly by their son Nick, who is currently in custody
as we were recording this, and the whole the whole

(01:06:40):
sequence as as it has come out, just makes it
more and more tragic. H Right, by all accounts, everybody
who who who knew and worked with Rob Reiner has
spoken glowingly, you know. And this is obviously before this
specific event. I mean just in generally say he's just
a nice guy. My recollection. I could be wrong, Brian,
is you didn't you happen to see him like a

(01:07:02):
few months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Yeah, you know, I've actually met him once or twice
because I worked on a couple of movies with legendary
editor Robert Layton, and he cuts many and most of
Rob Reiner's classics. He cuts spinal Tap, stand by Me,
a few Good Men, Misery, when Harry met Sally Princess Bride,

(01:07:27):
and so when I was working with Bob, Rob Reiner
was in the building and he was like, hey, you
got you gotta meet you gotta meet Brian. It was
so and the two of them, I mean, like the kindness.
You know, these like legends, and it's like you got
to meet Brian, and so you know, Rob Reiner comes
up and shakes my hand and he's his big, jovial

(01:07:48):
self and Brian, you know, kind of a thing. And
I was like, my god, talk.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
About a moment, right, incredible and a moment that already
probably meant the world to you, and now it's like
a treasure that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
You have well said exactly because in the moment I
was like, this guy's a legend, you know, and yeah, yeah, yeah,
I treasure that. And then yes, recently, this past late summer,
I think it was or maybe September, Spinal Tap two
came out and my friends and I went and saw

(01:08:21):
it at the Chinese Theater and it was this event
where the movie premiered and then they had you know,
Harry Sheer, Christopher Guest, Michael McKeon, and Rob Reiner in
character so he's playing Marty de berghe interviewing you know,
the rock stars of Spinal Tap. And it was a delight,

(01:08:43):
like just it's funny because I saw once that after
seeing the movie, if you had asked me whatd you
think of the movie, I'd be like, oh, it's a blast, hysterical.
It was so much fun. And then I was hearing
people say I don't know. I was like what, and
I don't know. I mean, I stand by it. I
did have a great time and I laughed a lot.
But there was something about that night having a room

(01:09:06):
the Chinese theater packed out with people who are excited
to be there, laughing at the film and just reveling
and seeing these legends in character having fun and riffing together.
It was magical. It was magical, and I kind of
like you said earlier, I mean, I treasure it. I
already treasured it, and I treasure it even more now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
The news was shocking once when you see Rob Reiner
has passed, that's shocking all by itself, but it's like
one shock after the other, and it's it's I've been
really thinking about it a lot, you know. And I'm
sure you've read the same stories I have about how

(01:09:52):
Rob Reiner, his wife and son were both at all
three of them. They were at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party
Saturday night and apparently, you know, Nick was behaving in
a way that some folks found off putting, which which
led to the family leaving. And then you know, hours

(01:10:12):
later this happens, right, Yeah, And and and couple thoughts
I had. Number One, there was one specific encounter that
I read about with Bill Hayter. Do you see this, Yes,
that Nick Reiner sort of interrupts a conversation Bill Hayter's having,
and Bill Hater is kind of like, hey, you know,
we're having a private conversation, you know, and it's very awkward.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
And I think it's worth mentioning too. That everyone there
was kind of dressed up, like you know, it was
like kind of a dressy sort of affair, and he
came sort of like dressed in a hoodie, and he
was behaving very strangely, and people didn't some people didn't
know who he was, so a hater I think was
probably a little like I don't I don't know who
you are, who this is?

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
And yeah, sure right and and and you know, Nick
Reiner had been dealing with substance abuse issues for decades,
to health issues. All of that stuff is part of
the backstory here. But the thought I had is that
I can only imagine that Bill Hayter is carrying some
measure of guilt.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Isn't that interesting? I mean, I love Bill Hayter, and
I don't know him, but I was feeling this sympathy
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Right, like not his fault at all, but no, like
what if I had done something different, maybe this wouldn't
have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
Yeah, just even being connected to it at all, and
what that must feel like. I was feeling this sort
of empathy or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Well related to that the thing that I've been thinking about,
and truly, Brian, I mean I almost started crying just
thinking about this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
What was going through Rob Reiner's mind, I know, as
his son is stabbing him to death.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
It's interesting you say that, Zachie, because I don't tend
to go there very often, but I had the same thing.
I couldn't help but sort of imagine it a little
bit and wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Just you know, like you're saying, Look, you know, every
every parent wants nothing but the world for their child,
you know. And and when you when you hold that
child in your hands, you think this, this kid is
going to be amazing. I'm going to do everything for
this kid. I you know, my my oldest is in college.

(01:12:29):
I still remember him being a little baby, you know,
And I just I was thinking of that, you know,
I was, Yeah, it just breaks my heart.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
And and and can you imagine the you know, the
children left behind, What in the world do they do
with this, like losing both of their parents and their
brother at the hand of their brother, and like it
it's it's a lot, It's it's just fine. It's just
a yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Yeah. I mean, now now add to this, and and
I'm sure Brian doesn't want to talk about this. I
don't blame you, but I I want to bring up
the president felt the need to chime in on this.
And the night that this happened, Now, Rob Reiner had
been a vocal critic of Donald Trump, and I had

(01:13:27):
this thought. I was like, I remember, I know he's
been a critic of Trump, but like this, Donald Trump
is not gonna what he's He's gonna say some boilerplate
condolence thing. And I went to bed and then I
wake up in the morning and I see this, this
novella about Rob Reiner died because he has Trump derangement

(01:13:47):
syndrome and just going on and on and somehow making
it about himself. And and it's one of those you know,
I was already heartbroken, and and this just made me infuriated. Yeah,
because because it it gives a clear picture of just

(01:14:13):
the gaping maw inside this person where he can let
no moment be about anyone but himself, right does it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Does?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Think about this for a second, Think think about the
most boilerplate response. Rob Reiner and I disagreed about politics,
but he brought a lot of joy to this world.
My condolences to his family. Nobody would have said a
single thing if he put that out right, yeah, or
said nothing or said nothing. But okay, let's say, you know,
when the president I should say something. There you go

(01:14:42):
say that, and it's you know, you know, it gets
me to what you said last time, or we were
talking about rush hour. For everything becomes political everything, everything,
you know, and man, is it exhausting you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Know, you know, I I mean, I want you to
say everything you want to express for that and I
have one thing to say and then that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah. It just I I feel like this is the
type of thing people are just tired of.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Yeah, I'm just tired of all of it turning into
this sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
All I want to say about that is I thought
that post was absolutely ghoulish. Yeah, and sadly entirely unsurprising.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
That's the thing, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
By way of contrast, Rob Reiner was on the Piers
Morgan Show back in September. Piers Morgan asked him, do
you have any thoughts about what happened to Charlie Kirk?
And he said, horror, absolute horror. Nobody should die for
their political beliefs, So there is no comparison. There's how

(01:15:53):
to be, there's how not to be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Yes, And frankly I mean the rest of my thoughts
on that are basically I would personally prefer to spend
my time celebrating winer Well, not making about anybody else
like I because the thing I really do want to
touch on this is he his His people are bringing

(01:16:19):
up the fact that he had one of the most
legendary runs of all time for a filmmaker. I mean
he Spinal Tap and the Sure Thing, which hasn't endured
as much, but that came after Spinal Tap. But then
stand By Me, Princess Bride, when Harry Met Sally, Misery,
a Few Good Men like that, it is an insane run.
And those movies are all like genre defining films for

(01:16:41):
their genres, like When Harry Met Sally is a genre
defining romantic comedy, Princess Bride is a genre defining fantasy,
Misery is a genre defining horror film, Spinal Tap is
a genre defining mockumentary, stand By Me is a genre
defining coming of age film, and A Few Good Men
is a genre defining courtroom drama. And they're also so different,

(01:17:01):
and so they're all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Classics, and and uh, one movie that that isn't getting
mentioned as much. I think partially because it's interrupted by
North right before it. Yeah, uh record scratch, because after
a few good men he does North, which is legendarily awful,
which is, of course Roger Ebert's famous review. I hated

(01:17:25):
this movie. I hated hated, hated, hated, hated this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
Wait, tell me about the or tell everyone about the
cliff you sent me so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
So, Rob Reiner was being roasted by the Friars Club
back in two thousand and he was being roasted by
Richard Belzer, and and Belzer has Ryner stand up, and
he goes, here, can you read this? And he and
he hands him Roger Ebert's review of North, and he
highlights a specific portion. He's, I hate every simpering second
of this movie. I hate the arrogance behind it, just

(01:17:53):
really tearing it to shreds. And then he finishes and
Ryiner perfect comedic timing. He says, if you read between
the lines, not that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
I mean, come on, like, how you not love that?

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I think I love that clip. But then it also
made me sad when you realized Belzer, Ryiner, and Ebert
all three of them are gone. Now yeah, you know,
but but The American President is a movie that does
not get mentioned a lot in the last week. It
feels like because again it sort of interrupts that run,
you know, yeah, yeah, And again I'm like, look at

(01:18:32):
the film The American President, and then look at the
actuality of the American President right now for this weird,
bizarre reality we find ourselves in at this moment.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
You know, yeah, I haven't seen that a long time,
but that is a that's a good movie.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
We would not have The West Wing without the American President.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
We On that note, there was a I don't know
if it was a statement or a tweet or whatever
from c Robert Cargill, who wrote Black Phone and works
with Scott Derekson a lot. He's worked for Any Cool News,
and I thought he said something incredible. He says, the
cultural impact of Rob Reiner cannot be understated. Legend isn't
big enough a word. It goes to eleven. You can't

(01:19:08):
handle the truth as you wish. Oh my gosh, be
a little terry. Yeah, I'll have what she's having. I'm
your number one fan. You guys want to see a
dead body. The very idea of a bucket list, The
West Wing all from his movies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I mean it's true, you know, there would be no Seinfeld,
right Rob Reiner, because that's produced by his company at CASSELA.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
The body of work exists, and also worth recognizing that,
like James L. Brooks, So we were talking about earlier,
you know, he Rob Reiner too, he kind of hit
a plateau.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
You know, I say it's been has happened. I'd say
it's been about thirty years since he's had a hit,
you know. And that's just that's just the nature of
these things, right. So I'm at the end of it.
You sort of you put everything you have into the
work that you do, and and your run is whatever
it is, you know. And I think this the specific

(01:20:12):
circumstances of this tragedy. Now it's standing. I mean, that
body of work is going to exist and live on,
and it's going to be studied and admired and appreciated
as long as we have film, right, you know. And
and and by the way, his acting work, I I've
for the last couple of days, I've been watching old
All in the Family episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
You know, I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
You've never seen it All in the Family, you know,
my dad used to love it, so I used to
watch it with him.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
I remember it like from reruns, but no, I never
watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
He was he was meathead, you know, and very I mean,
I I appreciate a new his comic Chops as the
straight man, you know, to Carol O'Connor as Archie Bunker.
But as we say so often on this show, whenever
people past, the ultimate measure is the type of person

(01:21:03):
you were, and and that can be seen in the tributes,
specifically referencing his kindness and big heartedness, and that obviously
makes the specific circumstances so much more tragic. I can
only imagine what the family is going through. As you said,
you know, but you know he forgive me. Somebody said this,

(01:21:32):
and I can't remember who, see if I can pull
up the source. But he should have he should have
gotten to live like his dad, Carl Reiner. Yeah, we
should have had, you know, twenty twenty five more years
of Rob Reiner.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
And and you know that that's a shame. No matter what,
you know, he will be missed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yep. And for anybody, you know, those those movies I
rattled off and go to his IMDb page. I mean,
if you haven't seen those films. I mean, especially that
you know, Princess Bride and all those films, like, oh
my gosh, they're treats. You will love them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
And I mean seriously, when we talk about stand By
Me and Misery, probably two of the best Stephen King
adaptations out there, yes, right, and and the rare ones
that Stephen King liked.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
That's right, that's no easy feet, you know. Yeah. Yeah,
And it's interesting too because he had interest in He
read the script for the Shawshank Redemption, was like, I
must make this. But Frank Darepont, who had not been
proven at that point, I think he worked on a
nightmare in elm Street Movie or something, was like, this
is my passion project, Like I really really want to

(01:22:45):
direct this. And Rob Bryder's like, well, then let me produce.
I mean, come on, that's amazing, you know, and then
we have a masterpiece, you know, another Stephen King adaptation masterpiece.
Remember the the you know at the end of stand
By Me, when when the Richard Dreyfe's character is typing,
you know, everybody says I think about it all the

(01:23:07):
time when I'm with a group of friends, and then
we split off and go to our separate cars.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Really yeah, let me see, let me see if I
can pull it up.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
I never had any friends later on like the ones
I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone that's
so great? Yeah, that's a great movie. I saw that
for the first time because of Sean. He was underrecommended
that to me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
Me too. I didn't really grow up with that one,
but Sean was so passionate about it. I watched it
and loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've watched it with my kids.
They love it too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Of course Harry was Sally. I mean so many like truly,
like for people haven't seen this, They've got great movies
waiting for him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
There's a great video that Rob Reiner recorded with his
dad where it's like Carl Reiner is reading it's like
the end of Princess Bride. Oh I've seen this, yes, yeah, yeah,
you know, and so so Rob Reiner is Fred Savage like, oh,
can we you know, read it again? And he says

(01:24:09):
Carl Reiner says, as you wish, yeah, and I don't know,
I mean again, there's an extra level of pathos now
and watching that, you know, Yeah, well this is a hard,
hard topic to transition away from. Yeah, but here's some
other news, Brian. Hey, the Academy Awards are making some moves. Yes,

(01:24:33):
in uh, what is it, twenty twenty nine, twenty twenty nine,
that's right, they are going to take the leap from
ABC broadcast television over to YouTube dot com. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Now one of the oka so watched television events every
year moving to YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Well, I have to applaud first of all, the foolish
optimism of assuming that there will be a world in
twenty twenty nine, Like, oh, yeah, we'll also I have
superpowers and I'll be able to fly in twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Actually, what I would love is like a close up
of like, you know, the Oscars twenty twenty nine, and
then we do a reverse and it's that scene in
Terminator one where it's like people huddled on like a
couch covered in ash and an underground bunker that can rubble.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Basically.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So the Academy Awards have been on ABC for the
last something like thirty years. Wow, something like that. It's
I mean, as long as I can remember, they've been
on ABC. Yeah, same, so I am, And maybe you
know some of the details. I don't know the mechanics
that led to them making this change. Actually I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Either, but it is interesting. I was reading a Variety
article about what it could mean, and basically they were saying,
with YouTube, I mean it will become available, you know,
watching the oscars to two billion viewers worldwide. And previously,
I mean many people do watch it around the world
and oftentimes, you know, we have it accessible on a

(01:26:05):
free channel on broadcast TV, but a lot of times
people would have to watch it on their version of
HBO or other like pay television. So now to be
free to everyone worldwide. And they were also speculating, will
there be constraints on a run time? Maybe it doesn't matter,
you know, and also the content, you know, can do

(01:26:26):
they have to think about network TV any longer, the
host and things that they say and sponsors and whatever,
and it just it'll be interesting to see if the
format changes.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
It all or more so unlike before that one time
when a flasher ran by David Niven, Right now we
can have all the flashers we want.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Yeah, all right, resting welcome. Yeah, And apparently the deal
will run through twenty thirty three, so.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
It's again optimistic. But I think for like, this is
somewhat academic for me anyway, because I haven't had YouTube TV,
you know, which was my last connection to linear television
for a while, right, so I have for the last
several years, I've been taking in the show just by

(01:27:14):
watching the clips on YouTube anyway. Okay, so maybe this
is just a nod to reality, like that's where things
are going.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
As it is. I had a similar feeling. Actually, I
just looked up an article this is CNN dot com.
It says the Academy had been auctioning off the rights
to future telecasts in recent weeks, leading to speculation that
a new big tech buyer would swoop in. But yeah, no,
I mean, I'm a recent cord cutter. So my first
feelings were weird, and then my second feelings were cool.

(01:27:46):
You know, it is still a little weird for me.
I'm a little discombobulated not being able to just watch
live television sometimes in like news or things that I
want to see. It's strange to me that I don't
have access to those like I once did. And I
did think about, well, the super Bowl, how am I
gonna watch that? Or and the Oscars I had thought
about that, and now it's like, oh, I just pulled
the YouTube app.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah okay, so so uh yeah, so no change basically
for many and maybe even yeah, more access for people worldwide.
I I sorry, just just to just to to circle
that point. I think most the vast majority of the

(01:28:30):
culture does not even pay attention to to linear television
at all. Yeah, other than your Super Bowls. So this
is an attempt to get the oscars back in the conversation. Yeah,
if if if ABC was doing fine, then this would
not be happening. Mm yeah anyway, sorry, go on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
No, Actually, all I was going to say was basically
reiterate your point that it's like, yeah, I just think
this kind of shows where we're headed anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Yeah, pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
All of culture will be owned by like three tech companies.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
Yeah. Probably. Actually, I mean I swear like ten years
ago or something, I would have laughed and been like,
I hope not, And now I'm like, yeah, no, probably,
it's just how soon.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah, it's inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Do they want to buy us?

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
We're for sale, we come cheap, We're interested.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Every one welcome our tech overlords.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Okay, well look for that. We got a couple of
years yet so again twenty twenty nine. So nobody, nobody
panic Jesse yet. Yeah, Hey, there's a there's a brand
new movie in theaters, Brian. Oh, let's talk about it
on the other side of this. And now we're pleased

(01:29:51):
to bring you our feature and we are back. And
you you know who else is back? Brian?

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Who's that Zachy?

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Why it's Jake, Sulei, Naitiri and the various denizens of
the met Kaina clan.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
That's right, very good, very good. I remember I was
actually as I was watching it, I was trying to
remember some of the words they said, because you did
such a good bit during the commentary where you had
all their lingo down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Google was my friend. Yeah, I can't rely on Awa,
so I have to rely.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Oh did someone cut off your finger majig from the
back of your head? I was like, I didn't know
they could do that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
So Avatar, Fire and ash Yes is in theaters right now,
mm hmm. And it seems like it's off to a
reasonable start, you know, as one expects from from these
these movies.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
That's the interesting thing, right, Like we are doing this
on the Friday of release, so we don't know how
this week is going to go Yeah, but I did
see that the Thursday box office for the previous film
was seventeen million. Yeah, and this one is twelve, so
not same but still very good.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah, let's assume it will do Okay,
unless the bottom just completely falls out after we record this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:23):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think that will happen, right,
It would be fascinating, but I do ask. I think
it's interesting and worth mentioning. I literally just saw this,
like we're still rattling around in my brain. But you
saw this a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
I'm serious. How it's sat with you?

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
Well, it's not rattling around as much in my brain.
So yeah, you and I are coming from two opposite
angles on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Okay, Well I want to ask too. Then have you
seen the Odyssey teaser? I have not. It's like a
five to six minute Odyssey thing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
I don't know if it's IMAX exclusive or if it's
in front of all of Avatar, but I saw it
this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
It is the product placement, very very blatant, where Matt
Damon's Odysseus is like time to go on in Odyssey
and he hops in a Honda Odyssey.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
So roomy.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Yeah, I would love to see. You know, normally that
would be very crass, but somehow I feel like Christopher
Nolan would somehow class it up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
You know what well. And I will say, actually, in
all seriousness, I've said that I'm not like wild about
a film version of the Odyssey. I'm just not huge
into mythology and whatever. And Nolan said that was his
next movie. I was like, oh, okay, really, And then
I saw this preview.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
I was like, yes, see, this is you and I
are coming from very different places because I've been hoping
for a freaking amazing big screen version of the Odyssey
since I was just a little, you know, third grader
when I read the story. Yep, you know, closest we
got what And it wasn't big screen, but it was
the mini series with the Armanda Sante you know.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
In the yeah, oh yeah, which was fine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
So I'm I'm all in on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Oh man. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's pretty good. What
we see is pretty uh compelling.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Yeah, and the and the Avengers trailer was there too.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Yes, and it's the one I was like, yeah, I've
seen this, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I was actually thinking about how the so the version
I saw of the Avengers endgame trailer, it was a bootleg.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
I should says same the first time I saw.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
Yeah, okay, and and and the version I saw, you know,
you could see people's heads, you know, it was like
Mystery Science theater. And then I saw like random people
getting up and like doing stuff, and I'm like, Hi,
y'all gotta be getting up Zachi during this trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
People were doing that during the Odyssey thing, and I
was like, are you guys out of your minds?

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Very upsetting, like I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:34:11):
I thought, this is we were all here for this,
Like it's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
This is this is the I don't know, I worry.
I worry about about the future. I don't know. I
have concerns. Yeah, but hey, so so fire and ash
in theaters. I do you want to just give your
like fresh out of the theater reaction, Yeah, I think so,
because I mean most of this is kind of spoiler talk,

(01:34:35):
so I guess some quick general stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
This is what I'll say. We just did. The commentary
on one one is like the standard hero's journey, like
fish out of water, someone goes into a new world
and finds their footing and you know, rises to the occasion,
and that's inherently compelling. Just what makes that movie kind
of funny in the conversation is that a lot of

(01:35:00):
the elements in the way that certain things look are
a little silly. But I think the spectacle outweighs the
silly personally. But it's still not something I returned to
a lot. Two I felt like, was, let's remind you
why you you like being here? Like to me, my memory,
I only saw it once. That was in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Okay, I was gonna ask you that if you've revisited it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
Yeah, And my memory is it luxuriates like there's a
lot of or these kids are gonna learn how to swim.
Let's spend like seventeen minutes watching these kids learn how
to swim, and I remember thinking this is beautiful and
I'll probably never watch this again. That's my memory. So
for anyone who loves wave water, you know, I don't know,

(01:35:45):
but I gotta say I thought, after doing the commentary,
I even thought, well, maybe I'll rewatch two, so I'm
prepared for three. And I just was never at the
top of my list.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Three, The Fire and Ash, the current one. I think
this is the movie James Cameron has had in his
mind the whole time when he's tried to convince us
this is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
And I think the reason is the world is now established.
We're not telling like again like someone comes to a
new place and he's got to learn the rules and
he's got to discover this and figure the world is
established now and we have the dynamics between these characters.
So now that we are aware, then we can have
more compelling drama, you know, like between Korich and Spider

(01:36:29):
and Jake and whoever. And I again, this is this
is on me. I don't even remember the conflict in
part two, but in this one there's a great villain
and the you know Korch. This isn't a spoiler to
say if you've seen one or two, but Korch is
back and he remains an interesting, unique sort of villain

(01:36:49):
from the previous film. So you've got multiple antagonists in
this and and the the visuals are insane, the action
is great. I feel like if you don't like Avatar,
this movie isn't going to change your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Definitely, agree with that man.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
But this movie to me had the juice that two
did not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
For me, that's interesting. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Yeah. And and I well, we'll get into it. I
you know, I it's it's too damn long. But I
also there were there's like a whole climax at the
end where all this stuff is happening, and I was like,
only James Cameron can do this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
That is true, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
And and it's the visuals are nuts. The action is
coherent and dynamic as crazy as it can get. The
effects are some of the best I've ever seen. I mean,
I was looking I saw it on an Imax screen
in three D, and I was like looking at Jake.
Jake's just standing there, and I was looking at these
little bumps on his body and pores on his nose,

(01:37:50):
and I was like, this is nuts, Like it looks
really really good. And and you know, we talk a
lot about when filmmakers use CGI for car crashes or
things falling over, it kind of misses the physics, like
the kuchunk that you feel in real life and something
heavy connects with the ground or smashes into something. I
was thinking about that when I was watching this, and

(01:38:11):
I was like, Wow, they got the kuchunk. All the explosions,
felt like I had to remind myself that I was
looking at something that wasn't real, and I was. I marveled,
I really did, and I I really enjoyed my time
with this. But will I go back This is the

(01:38:34):
one I'm most likely, I think, to go back to.
But I still feel like, man, if you'd taken like
thirty minutes out of this thing, it would make it
a little bit easier for me to be like, you know,
maybe I would watch that again. I mean even just
even if it's not at home. But just what keeps
coming up with Avatar is these are theater movies. Like

(01:38:56):
this is why you pay a premium price and you
spend the time in a theater because this is the
only movie that's going to deliver in a way that
no other movie can deliver on. And I feel like
this movie does deliver on that. Like if people, if
Avatar is too silly for you, like I said, I
don't think you're gonna love it, but I do think
this felt like a more compelling story character wise, villain wise,

(01:39:19):
action wise, and I was dazzled, just absolutely dazzled in
a way that no other movie can do, frankly, and
so for me, this was a great theater going experience,
and this is me, you know what. Maybe I'll we'll
see what I say in a couple hours, but that's
me frush out of it, just like wow, you know

(01:39:39):
what I mean. And there's things we can pick apart,
and there's things that are silly and that you know,
we'll get to all that stuff. But again, just as
what Avatar seems to be, you pay your twenty five
dollars for the whatever you know, IMAX whatever to be
dazzled in a way that only James Cameron can do it.
For me, I think it delivers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I definitely agree with that, you know. I I remember
when I went to the press screening speaking to the
film's length. You know, I definitely I agree it is long.
But I think what I said to you is I
didn't feel the length in that I never once looked
at my watch. I did once, just once, all things considered,

(01:40:20):
still pretty good, you know, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
After for a movie it's three hours and twenty minutes. Absolutely,
that said.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
As soon as it ended, I leave, and you know
they had the studio reps, yeah, to get it getting feedback,
and it's exactly what you think. I'm like, gott gotta pee,
That's what I thought. So, having seen it three weeks ago,
what I will say is kind of similar to the

(01:40:46):
second one, where it's like I remember images and moments
more than the plot, you know, after we did our
commentary for the second because I had already seen it.
I had already seen this one after we did our
commentary for the first one. I before that point, I
had already seen movie number three. I was planning on

(01:41:07):
watching movie two, and I didn't because I was like,
I knew we were gonna be talking about the movie,
and I was like, if I watch part two, I'm
gonna forget what is from what?

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Sure, So I literally I made that choice. I'm like,
I got to hold off until after we record, because
otherwise I'm gonna be a complete it's gonna be a
total disaster, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
And I think I think in that sense that that
that typifies the specific unique appeal of this universe, which
is a movie, I which is a universe I enjoy
going back to and and visiting in the cinemas every
couple of years, or you know, in the case of
the first two every decade and a half, right, I

(01:41:55):
think it is a feeling and I enjoy that. I
my my, my personal sense is that the second one
did more for me on an emotional level than this
one did. Oh interesting, But we're talking about a difference

(01:42:16):
of degrees honestly, because I think, you know it, it
gives you what's on the tin, you know, and so
on that sense, I was mostly on board. The only
thought I had when it ended is that by the
time I got home, I was like, I was struggling

(01:42:37):
to remember the specific resolution that we got, you know,
you know, there's the thing, there's the character beaten I
you know, I think Spider gets sort of the most
most progression in this, you know. But I was remembering
James Cameron being like, well, you know, basically we wrap

(01:42:57):
things up here. And I found that somewhat curious because
this doesn't feel very conclusion y to me. This doesn't
feel like Return of the Jedi, right, Yeah, I have
revolutions or you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean,
I guess he has said it could end here, and
I do. I'm like, yeah, I could see that kind

(01:43:19):
of I mean what he said, Brian, He's like there's
like one thing left, but otherwise we wrap it all up. Yeah,
and what I said at that, I don't remember if
I said this too, but I said to somebody, if
if this is the end, I will be disappointed because
it just doesn't feel like an end to me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
I agree. I agree, because well, we'll get into spoilers
about it. But I feel like there could have been
a death star moment. I mean, maybe there is a
little bit, but if you're gonna like make things feel
like they could be peaceful once and for all, I
don't know that we quite landed there, but we do
land some emotional, you know, conclusions, I guess. Yeah, But

(01:43:55):
I do remember during the commentary you saying that you
didn't remember how it ended.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Yeah, there you go, you know, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
I don't know, and maybe it's because it is still
echoing in my brain, but I did think there were
some like good memorable moments that I will remember from this,
like situations, whereas I the second one, I'm struggling. I
just remember the kid bonding with the whale, and and

(01:44:24):
I know that there's like whalers. It's like them versus
a bunch of whalers, which kind of happens again in
this one, right, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Should ask, is it weird that I'm like strangely turned
on by Una Chaplin's character Zaki. I wasn't sure if
I was going to bring it up, but I was like,
I don't know, like, yeah, I caught myself kind of thinking,
is this weird?

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Yeah, I'll figure that out later. She might be able
to turn me. I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:44:59):
I was like, I was like, I think I'm I'm
I'm team Korich on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
And I know, I was like, look, all I'm saying
is I get it. That's hilarious. But what I did
like about her is that she is like a villain
that is world specific to this Oh yeah yeah, and

(01:45:26):
she's so different, like she's from you know, two is
sort of about the water people, you know, and the
original the first film, they're like the forest people, and
she's kind of this like roguish group, you know, the
fire and ash people, And it was, I don't know,
it's kind of cool seeing like a band of bad
guys and she's a really like compelling like leader and

(01:45:48):
just the way that she works with Quaritch and I
just found all that stuff like it was it was
stickier for me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Yeah, well, I think I think the fundamental problem is
one that's not unique to this movie, and it's that,
you know, the Sullies are kind of the less interesting
than like the bad guys sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
You know. I actually I don't want to cut off
your thought, but I I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Like, even now three here was Here's what I remember.
At some point, Jake Sully does the rouse everyone with
a speech thing, right and correct me if I'm wrong.
We even have the Sun narrating. And then Dad went
and started giving his speeches or something like that. Oh
in this one, yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, right, And

(01:46:38):
I'm like, well, that's a problem to me, where like
we kind of YadA YadA his inspirational moments.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
I am really glad you brought that specific moment up
because you sent me a long interview with James Cameron.
I think it was the Hollywood Reporter.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
And he said that his original cut was four hours,
and Disney was like no, and so then there isn't
a lot of narration in this and so that moment happened,
and then the kid is narrating, and I thought, oh,
I bet they've had all of this and you know, so, yeah,
that popped out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
But my thing is like, yeah, we've done that already though,
right that's movie one. Yeah, that's true. Literally, yeah, right,
so it's like they got to find different ways to
hit the beats. Now that being said, I don't feel
like Sam Worthington or or Zoe Soldania are necessarily served

(01:47:40):
well by the script in terms of really getting them
a lot to do. But I but I'm going to
contradict myself and say I really liked Sam Worthington in.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
This ditto to everything you just said. Yeah, I remember
having that feeling in part two. Also because the series
are you know, the character in the first.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
One, she's not served well by two or three is
my sense.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Yes, but when she is on screen, Seldanna is crushing. Yeah,
you know what I mean. She makes that character. Every
moment she has, she wrings everything out of it and
it's great. But to your point, yes, the script isn't
serving that character very well, which.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Is kind of a shame, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
Yeah, And you know, I was also like, look, I
get Sully's a marine and he's kind of like, you know,
got a protective family and that's kind of hismo. But
I was like, could it be like a little warmer,
like he just I don't know, just for me to
even not just for his kid's sake, but just even
for me as an audience member to like want to,
you know, align myself with the guy. You know, he's

(01:48:39):
just I think Worthington does a great job, but uh yeah,
I don't know, like I don't connect with that character
if if he is sort of the lead, sort of
like I don't really connect with him very well. But
I did think I connected with the kids a lot
better in this movie than I did with the second one.

(01:49:00):
Like I remember, I was like, I can't even tell
him apart in the second one, and what's the son's name? Oh,
I have no idea, absolutely no idea. But I was like,
I was like, oh, that's his personality, that's her personality.
That's like I was able to track them a lot
better in this one. I felt.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
It's weird though that I remember the whales name. I
remember Piacon. It's amazing, Yeah, but not is it Lock
or is he the one that? Is he the one
that see I don't even remember now that I.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
Don't remember either, And I did have to remember, I
was like, oh, yeah, I forgot about that the boy
that was sad.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
And the son that died in the first one, that one,
that one hit me. Yes, yes, right in the fields,
you know. And and so I I would have liked
something I mean in this movie is you know, edging
up to it sort of you know, the the loss
that Jake feels. He's trying not to blame his son,
and you know, I would have liked more of a

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breakthrough that that was reflected on screen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
You know, that's a great point because yes, and and
the tiaries carrying a lot of like prejudice and frustrations
from you know, her history, and it is sort of
hard to see her have these feelings towards certain people.
I'm like, wow, it's so cold, but like you can
under appreciate why. And likewise, yeah, there's a lot of
conflict inside of Jake. But yeah, I agree, I would

(01:50:24):
have liked to have felt a little bit more Catharsis
at the end.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
And I mean that said, there's a moment with Spider
and Jake.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Yeah, well in the forest, which do we want to
get into spoilers Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
We can, but but I'll just I got more emotion
out of that moment than anything really between Jake and
his own son.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
That's kind of what I'm talking about, like that I
will remember that moment. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was
pretty intense. I mean, you know, kind of biblical in
a way, but absolutely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
But yeah, like there was like just a bunch of
those sorts of moments that just really popped out to me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
And I was like, well, yeah, whereas.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
I don't feel like I've felt that before, it's strongly I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
Said this during the commentary. I think one one area
where you definitely feel a void is the absence of
James Horner.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
I thought you had said that, and I was thinking
that as I was watching, and there's the score completely
it's totally fine. It's doing it's totally fine. But just
that little fairy dust that Horner possesses, yeah, it makes
you long for it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Yeah, I mean that's that's neither here nor there, I suppose,
I mean, nothing we can do about that, but yeah, yeah,
you definitely you miss him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
You know, it's longtime fans of his like you and I.
It's like we we want to hear it. We know
what he could have brought.

Speaker 2 (01:51:47):
Yeah, okay, so do you want did you want to
talk about spoilers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Spoiler all right, we'll spoil away Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Well, yeah, this really well. I was gonna say, this
is a Spider story, but it's a lot. It's so
much movie. It's a lot of people's stories. The one
thing that you really intrigued me by after you had
seen it, you were like, uh, if you want to
see a whale tribunal, buckle up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
You know, there's so much whale tribunal.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Yeah, And I was like what. And then as it
started happening, I was like, Oh, this is it. Zachy
Zaki told me about this, but there was I think
everything does weave together story wise, but there I think
that was I don't even know what two thirds is
in this movie, but let's call it three quarters. Three
quarters through this movie, it started leaning into the whales

(01:52:53):
sort of thing, and I was like, uh, I don't know. Like,
I was like, let's just stick with you know, we
got the boy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
We got it. It's already a pretty far walk just
to get us where we are.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Yeah, And that was when I started thinking, because in
the middle of this, I was like, I would watch
this again, which is not a feeling I'd had with
the others, but then it started getting like a little
full and I was feeling like, well, then I started
remembering what a commitment it was trying to carve out
the time to see it and the whatever that was.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
One hundred percent me by the end of the movie,
where I was like, you know, I liked it, but
I think I might be good. Yeah, and not because
I again, I liked it, but it's it's a big
chunk of time, and I'm like, is it you know,
did I like it enough to within the span of
a couple weeks watch it again in the theater? I don't.

(01:53:43):
I don't know. You know, I'm not ruling it out.
I'm just not rushing towards it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Yeah. I like, if someone wanted to go, yeah, I
would see it with them, but I don't know. Yeah,
it'd be it'd be difficult, and there's other things I would,
you know, like to see. But but I so, I
guess when it begins, you know, back at the Homestead,
I like the things that are introduced where it's like
Spider is kind of part of the family, but NATERI
has complicated feelings about him, but he's got this mask

(01:54:09):
that keeps running out of batteries. I like that moment
where he's sleeping and then he starts suffocating in his sleep,
and then you know, Jake wakes up, and I was like,
what a cool problem specific to this this universe. And
so yeah, no in spoilers, just obviously you know, it's
kind of like, we got to get him to be
able to breathe on his planet. How do they do it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
Magic? But still I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
It worked for me because it seemed to fit in
broadly with the world that they've already established one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Hundred percent that and it becomes part of the plot.
Then it's like, Okay, now this human being can breathe
on Pandora. So all of the miners or whatever they are,
you know, working for the humans, working for the company
that want to colonize this planet, they're like, holy crap.
If this human can breathe and we can figure out
to breathe, we can take over this whole planet. And

(01:55:03):
I was like, great, that's a good plot. That's a
good problem, you know. And then Spider becomes used in
interesting ways where he can be a human shield for
people because there's no way they would shoot him because
they need to figure out how he breathes.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Yeah, I was like, that's well, and and and adjacent
to that thought, Uh so Giovanni Ribisi, I'm straining my brain?
Is he in the second one?

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Zachi I? When he popped up, I felt a little
happy because I'd just seen the first one, so it's
not seeing a familiar face. And then I thought the
same thing. Could not remember if he's I.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Don't remember genuinely.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:55:40):
That said, does his character have any other lane other
than just weasel? Like you get some complexity?

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
No, no, exactly we're watching Avatar.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
No, but you're right he actually, I mean you do get.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
Some complexity with some of the characters, but no, the
villain Ribisi whatever. Now he remains the sort of sketch
of a mustache trailer boy.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
And actually in that vein you talk about some some
of the weird pacing that clearly you can see the
scissor marks as he's trying to get it down to
theatrical length. Uh. The the guy with the conscience who
who yes, oh yes, suddenly just shows up about ten
minutes before he needs to in the plot.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Yes, and tell me one thing happens to him that
would compel him to do this, I suppose, and then
he disappears.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
Yeah, And it felt like I had that thought while watching.
I was like, I'll bet to that guy had more
of a thing. Yeah, and they're just trying to snip it.
And then it's like, oh, we need him to free Jake,
and so we need to put something in just to
see that. And it felt very like arbitrarily, like like

(01:56:52):
we needed we needed him earlier in the movie in
order for for for me at least to buy it
more when he when he frees.

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Agreed, I mean we do. He is technically he is
in an early scene on a screen, right, but I
mean and he is in the second one also, and
I don't is he Yes, that's what's his name, Jermaine Clement?
Is that his name? Sorry, Bushrock can google this, Yes, yes,

(01:57:23):
Jermaine Clements.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Okay, so he's in the he's in the second one
having bouts of conscience.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
I don't know that, but I do remember that he's
in the second one.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
How long after the first? The second one is this
one set?

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
I don't know, but I did think about the kids'
ages and they seem to be the same, even Spider
I think so yeah, okay, so not long I suppose.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
I feel like we're not doing a great job here
where there's a lot of us like this. Maybe well,
I mean to be fair, like, I don't remember. Maybe
that's a comment on our that's our on the second movie.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
I don't remember. Maybe there was like a big moment
that and this is the payoff and we've forgotten the setup.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
Yeah, but well, okay, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
To the moment you were talking about now that we're
in spoilers where Jake and and Tiri are like, look,
if this boy lives, one one person lives, it could
mean the extinction of our planet.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Yeah. So, so specifically, Spider Spider has undergone a process
via Awa where he is now able to breathe the
air on Pandora. Yes, and he's got that little friggin
you know, little the little thumb drive in his hair
or whatever, you know, the thing. Yeah, and so yeah,

(01:58:43):
so the humans are like, hey, if we can bottle
this ship, will be, will be, We'll be good to go. Yeah,
And and so that leads to Jake and Tire being like,
all right, we got to, you know, do the little
knife across the throat gesture, you know, and so then know, yeah, no, no, no, sorry, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:02):
So so it leaves this moment where Jake basically takes
Spider into the forest and Spider knows what Jake is
gonna do and he wants to kill him. Yeah, and
and honestly probably one of my favorite parts of the movie,
not only because of the tension, because genuinely, as I'm
watching it, I'm like, I don't know which way this lands.

(01:59:23):
Yeah yeah, and also how it you know, illuminates, you know,
the relationship between the characters.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
Yeah, you know, but I did, and it's it's very powerful,
and it's maybe it is as impressive as their faces are.
Now I wonder if a human face might have emoated
the conflict even.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
More like on Jake's face.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
On Jake's face, Yeah, just throwing that out there. But
the moment itself was very powerful because you're like, I
can understand the argument, and we know that Naitiri does
look at him as an alien. Yeah you know, she's
she said as much literally, right, And so yeah, there
is a real tension. I didn't think he would do

(02:00:09):
it ultimately, just because I didn't feel like he was
that kind of movie.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
Well, I I here was my thought. I was fairly
certain of that. But I did wonder if somehow Spider
like maybe he sacrifices himself kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (02:00:23):
Oh sure, sure, sure, Well I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
Why it still worked for me though, was because of Spider,
like his the way that he plays it and this,
you know, it's like his father figures gonna kill him
and then him like okay, you know, like sort of
like if that's if that's what's got to the way
it's got to be.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
It was powerful that that moment worked for me.

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Oh and and and related to all of this, you know,
I found it just like in the last movie, I
found koruous through line very interesting. I found his his
continued progression in this and very interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
I agree he's a good villain.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Yeah, well, I think they've made him into more than that, right,
Like he's a straight up baddie in the first one.
I think I think he is more. He has more
shades of blue, one might say.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
In two and three, let me say like antagonist, because
he's complicated and I like that he as no nonsense
as he can be. He seems to truly care about
his and get freaky. Well you can get that was hilarious.
That one shot of them in bed together. I was like, wow,

(02:01:34):
all right, almost like the John and Yoko in their
hotel bed. But but you know what I mean, Like,
for as much as he won't compromise on anything, when
it comes to Spider, he's willing to like compromise and
and and lose things right because he really does genuinely

(02:01:55):
care about his son and wants his son to come
to his side. And I like that part of it.
I like the whole thing about the way that he
does connect with Oh yeah, the Una varrang and like
it's you know, she's got the weapons and her and
even her thing where she only knows arrows and sort
of things of the forest and then sees you know,
the I forget what she calls it, the thunder the

(02:02:16):
machine guns, you know, and just why that's attractive to
her because she seeks power and him being able to
give that to her. And like the way that they
team up. I just I found all that really interesting. Well,
and then also his mission too. I do remember he's
chasing the Sullys in two, and I also remember it

(02:02:37):
feeling a little bit like, so, is this what we're
just going to keep doing? Then the Sully's moved to
another neighborhood and then Course shows up and ruins the
neighborhood and they have to move again, you know, And
in this one, maybe they did in the second one,
but this one his motivation where it's just like, you know,
he's a soldier and bringing Sully as a trader and
bringing him back to justice is his mission, you know,

(02:03:01):
hell or high water, And so when he does, it's
fun when they have to work together, you know, because
there's distrust, but like we realize in this moment we
have to work together. But then when it all comes
down to it, yeah, he's put Sully in a box.
And I loved seeing Sully in the box with all
the humans with their phones out.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Yeah, that was I like that whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
It's kind of like what we were talking about in
the commentary, where we don't exactly know what's happening on
Earth to compel humans to feel so desperate about what's
happening on Pandora. It's enough, it's expressed, but it would
be nice to see it so we can really feel
a little bit more about it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
But in this one.

Speaker 3 (02:03:44):
It did kind of like, yeah, spending time in the
human camp and seeing how they feel about Jake, Like, yeah,
that's the human who betrayed us and our mission for survival,
and now we have him back and he's our prisoner,
and or it's feeling satisfied as a soldier for completing
his mission. About that, I found all that so much
more than the things I remember from the past films.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Yeah, those moments work for me. I mean that felt
very like like Brave Heart kind of you know, yeah, yeah,
I almost like I wish there were more stakes in
this one. That was my thought. It you know, there's
sort of plot armor that protects our characters, and I
think that this is my thought in terms of where

(02:04:25):
Cameron was talking about, oh, you know, we kind of
wrap things up here. I mean, I would have liked
to feel that in terms of losses that our characters
have to take, because my correct me, if I'm wrong,
other than Kate Winslet's character, I don't think anybody anybody dies.

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
Yeah, And what I was sort of saying in the
non spoiler part was if you think of that the
humans being there and their base as being the death Star, right,
I mean we do see a lot of destruction over there,
which my theater cheered, actually when a Terri was flying
over with her explosive arrows and blowing up. I mean,

(02:05:04):
they look like silos versus the base itself. And it's
not like I want to tell that humans get killed,
but like you do kind of want to see them
if this is the final one, you want to see
them kicked off the planet once and for all, right,
I think is kind of what you're feeling. Also, right,
like we know that the Sully's solved it, that's right, yeah, yeah,
but but again it just it it feel it feels

(02:05:25):
like and ending in that the movie ended. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:05:30):
But I don't I don't get like trilogy vibes.

Speaker 3 (02:05:32):
You get what I'm saying, totally, yeah, because I mean
for that that reason, I just said, like I don't
feel like the problem has been solved, Like the base
is still there, all those humans are still there, so
what's to say they don't.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
Just you know.

Speaker 3 (02:05:44):
And also I mean the the Varrain character, Actually it
was funny because I was like, as I was walking out,
I thought, wait.

Speaker 2 (02:05:50):
What happened to her?

Speaker 3 (02:05:51):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
She just kind of carries off well, and and I
you know, I mean, korich Is is like quote un
quote dead.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
I suppose yes, is he though you never hit the ground?

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Yeah right, you don't see a body, So so even
that's left pretty open. I don't know this is this
is my only thought is as as another episode in
the Avatar U series. It's it's a thumbs up from me.
M but I just just tying a boar on what

(02:06:25):
I said before. I feel like it's not meant as
an ending, and so if camera decides to nope out
after this, then I'm gonna look at this whole endeavor
as like, well it was fine, you know, it's not
as cumulatively satisfying as it might otherwise have been.

Speaker 3 (02:06:43):
Yeah, well, I guess because I was gonna say, then
it would feel like maybe he didn't chart it out
in a way that you would think someone would a trilogy. Yeah,
but apparently, I mean he didn't, right, he had five
movies in mind.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Yeah, and so it seems like based on interviews he
I think he's just kind of like, you know, maybe
I'm just ready to move on, which makes sense because
he's been doing this for close to twenty years, so
you know, thirty years really right, because he's in ninety five.
I think he first came up with the idea, right. So,
so for me, these films really exemplify what a theatrical

(02:07:20):
experience can be, and what has applied to each of
the previous ones is just as applicable here where you go.
You watch it, you enjoy it, you luxuriate in it
in the theater, and then it is sort of like vapor.
It's like, you know, going on an amazing roller coaster.
You remember having been on that roller coaster, but you

(02:07:41):
don't remember the specific turns that that roller coaster takes
you on. You just remember the wind in your hair,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:07:47):
I agree with that, but like a slightly more positive.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
I think that was how mine is a positive. I
want to be very clear, it is a thumbs up
from me, you know, I see.

Speaker 3 (02:07:55):
I think that was my feeling of the second one,
Like if you want to go have a theater experience
that just feels like a really gorgeous, sumptuous ride, then
that's what you're gonna get. This one. I did feel
more invested, like I did feel I found the character
dynamics more memorable and interesting. I found Frank I mean,
I know, the stakes, like I could nitpick them a

(02:08:17):
little bit, but like you know, I did. I did
find the stakes compelling and interesting. I wanted to see
the villains thwarted and the villain in his relationship or
let's say the antagonist, you know, like a quortch and
solely in their complicated relationship, and how he's aligned himself
with this you know, crazy scary woman you know, from
Like it's just like I said, there's just more stickiness

(02:08:39):
for me plot wise and character wise in this one
than I felt from the last.

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
So I I.

Speaker 3 (02:08:46):
Liked it. I liked it as a movie, not just
an Avatar movie. I enjoyed it well.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
I I think, look, I think James Cameron has has
yet to strike out with me. Yeah, I mean, honestly,
it's hard to think of a director who's more consistently
good than James Cameron.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
Yeah with me, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
And so it's like, you know, he's well within his
strike zone with this one. Yeah, he knows what he's doing.
And the other thought, and this is sort of just
adding on to what you're saying before. I think by
now that we're here movie three, I mean, he's established
this world and it's particular, you know, peculiarities so well

(02:09:30):
that we can just be dropped into it and you know,
there isn't too much catchup required, which.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
Is nice, agreed, And and to further compliment Cameron because
he needs it. I really did think about the action
as I was watching it, like wow, like this is
the thing other people can't do, Like they fill the
screen with visual noise, thinking that's going to excite you,

(02:09:56):
but really you go cross eyed because you can't comprehend
with you're looking at is just stuff being flung at you,
And in this there is a lot of things flying
at you on the screen. But it just felt so
much more dynamic and intentional and well composed, you know,
just filmmaking wise. And I was able to track with

(02:10:17):
all of it, and it never ever to me felt
like cgi gobbledegook. Like it felt like a bunch of
riders on these amazing flying creatures taking out these ships,
these giant whale creatures taking out these huge vessels. And
I was odd, and I feel like I haven't been
odd by visual effects like that, and I don't know,
like a really long time. Yeah, I got an eye,

(02:10:41):
he's got an eye.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
He does well, and you know, this is something he's
talked about before, where you know, he'll come up with
an idea and then he'll figure out how to make
that happen, right. He like solving problems, and I think
that's the reason his movies withstand the test of time
because he's he's he's working a few years ahead of

(02:11:03):
what's available, and so he's almost future proofing his films
in that way, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:11:10):
But uh, just just to add on to what you're saying,
I mean, the the Kiri character played by Sigourney Weaver.
I remember being impressed with her in the previous one,
and I remained so here because at least me, I mean,
I forget I'm looking at Sigourney Weaver, I know, yeah, right,
but I mean she just she feels fully realized as

(02:11:34):
as a person, you know, as a character.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
Yeah, completely separate.

Speaker 2 (02:11:38):
From the effects. And you know, the way the way
they wove her through and I love her through line honestly,
the final bit where you know, we see Spider is
able to connect with Awa and you know, reconnect with
all the people who are lost.

Speaker 3 (02:11:54):
Man, that that worked for me too, me too.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
I really like that.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
Yeah, actually, and I got a little like Tierri when
the whole thing is that Kirie, Yeah, I have I MDB.
I can't scroll fast enough, Kirie, you know. I mean
it's so obvious, like it's like, well, she can't connect
to that thing or she'll die. It's like, okay, so
she's gonna have to do that at the end. But
when she's doing it and she's struggling, and then all

(02:12:18):
her siblings come and like join her and they're helping
her fight against the thing that she's having to push against.
Like I was really moved by that, like the siblings
and supporting one another, and it worked. It worked for me.

Speaker 2 (02:12:32):
I agree. Yeah, and we see the face of awah,
oh yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
That was It kind of gave me star child vibes.

Speaker 4 (02:12:43):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah, there we go. Yeah anything else?
Uh No, I am dying to.

Speaker 3 (02:12:53):
Know what people are going to think about this movie.
I like and and if it connects like the previous
like is this just always going to hit or have people?
Was there a lot of I mean we had ten
years or so right where we didn't know if we're
going to get or more or we didn't know if
we're going to get a sequel, even though Camra kept
bringing it up. So there's a lot of anticipation for

(02:13:15):
that one, and could he top himself? Will it be
worth it? You know, I do kind of want to
go back. Let's see, you know, effects have improved, So
is there as much anticipation for this one. I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (02:13:28):
I suspect it'll end up doing Okay, I'm just anecdotally.
I know, reactions from people who went on Thursday were
very like, oh, you know, they were mixed positive to
ecstatically positive.

Speaker 3 (02:13:44):
Okay, that's what I'm curious. Like general, I've seen critics
reviews and things like that.

Speaker 2 (02:13:49):
But even the critic reviews, you know, even people who
are saying it's their least favorite of the three are
still giving it a positive review. Yeah that's my sentence anyway.
I meant, I haven't you know, dived too deep into
the rotten tomatoes corner.

Speaker 3 (02:14:05):
But you know, but yeah, I'm looking forward to having
conversations with people about it. Just I'm because Avatar is
so polarizing, you know, with people. So I'm even wondering
if people who don't love it Arena are gonna go
just because it's the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
To go see just to hate watch.

Speaker 3 (02:14:23):
Well, yeah, and I'm wondering if it will where they'll
rank it, if they'll go well, actually I did like
it a little bit better than this one. But yeah,
I'm still not crazy about it, or if they'll like it,
or if they'll just be like that's just like the others.
I'm very, very curious. But I'm so glad. Man. I
was so curious what you would think. And yeah, it
sounds like we're pretty close.

Speaker 2 (02:14:42):
Yeah, I you know, it's it is a world I
enjoy visiting periodically, and I think ultimately a big picture,
I'm like, whatever James Cameron wants to make, I will
I will be interested in watching it, you know. Yeah,
so I'm I you know, he said he's ready to
move on, move on and do other things. And for

(02:15:03):
the when I heard when I heard him say that,
because I was having already seen the third one, I'm
for the first I never thought i'd say this. I'm like, oh,
please wrap up this story.

Speaker 3 (02:15:13):
This is the first time I think I felt myself
thinking like, well, I'm kind of looking forward to the
next one. Yeah. Yeah, I had to go back to
this and not just the world. That's the thing, not
just the world, the characters. This is the first time
I've felt like I kind of want to go back
to these characters. Well there you go, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:15:31):
Yeah, yeah, well hey, hey, let us know your thoughts.
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