Best Of The Muster: 05/09/25

Andy Muir talks to Eric Roy, Graham "Mintie" Mead, Tom O'Brien, Morgan Mitchell and Dave MacGregor.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last night I had the strange a very good morning.
Welcome along to the best of the muster, a collaboration
of interviews that took our interest during a busy week
here at Hockey doo E HQ. My name is Andy Muher.
We're starting off by chatting with Eric Roy, former MP
chair of the Pork Pork. He's just finished up in
that role, along with a number of other things that
he's done over his agricultural life. But we're talking this

(00:31):
week about tariffs and Eric's saying that the ruling in
the States regarding tariffs being illegal, is it going to
have any difference as far as New Zealand's perspective. Graham
and Timeade part of News Talks MB's White Khatto team.
We talked to him intee on Monday after the Stags
did this smash and grab with the Renfrewy shield. He

(00:51):
tells us from his perspective, how Rugby's looking up in
the way kaddo and just concerns that we have down
here in the South. It seems to be wide spread
around the country. Tom O'Brien is based in Garston, but
this is a pretty cool yarn. He's one of the
engineers on the Kings and Flyer, and we caught up
with him this week as our stripping down parts of
the engine getting ready, getting in preparation for next season.

(01:13):
Morgan Mitchell, Stag's tight Head was on during the week
as well. We head his day off, so he thought
he'd come in for a bit of a yarn and
just tells us what it was like the occasion and
what it's been like in the build up to the
Cavary Game, given that you've got to celebrate the shield,
right and David Gregor, he is chair of South and
Fishing Game, talking about a couple of new rulings that

(01:34):
have come out regarding licenses and a rather obscure archaic
crawl as well at that too, which might have you think, hmm,
this could have been done sooner. Nonetheless, so we start
the hour next with Rik Reid. This is the best
of the muster.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Again.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
It is in this town.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
We got supportstrof miles around, we got began the heart.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah. Eric Roy joins us this afternoon in our political roundup. Eric,
good afternoon. The song is the Roaring Pen, no doubt,
Seuth and Rugby doing it self proud with that result.
Yesterday up in Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Oh fantastic. I had a really good feeling about it
before it even started, you know, the couple of good
wins and strong finishes and a lot of belief in
the team, and I just thought that why Ketto would
be vulnerable, We're gonna get all backs neck, We'll deal
to these boys from down south. And I had a
really good feeling before it started. And it was some

(02:43):
of the best TV watching for quite a while, that's
for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
As far as the complete Stags performance, I think in
North Harbor Anyway for the first forty minutes last year
and they put forty five points on the board. That
was pretty cool. But you think back to Stagg Day
in twenty twenty when they beat a Tago and reason
be comprehensively all things considered as been the next game
that comes to mind, because let's be honest, when you're
a self and fan, you lose your sporting soul because

(03:07):
you become immune to losing.

Speaker 5 (03:10):
It can be hard work at times. So we've got
we've got to beat the good times and I'm you know,
let's see what they can do against Kennbury. The last
two times I've won the Shield two oh nine and
two eleven. They beat Canabary both times and in Cannabry
won't have it all back, so we required at Eden

(03:31):
Park on that Saturday. So I look, let's not just
give up and roll over yet. I've got a bit
of belief in this team.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Donald Trump and these terrorist he is imposing has been
they've been ruled to have been illegal. So not everything's
going the way for Trumpy at the moment.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Well, he's an interesting character and he's clearly got a
lot of people that are pretty switched on, lawyers dredging
back and doing stuff. And so they found the rule
that allowed the president i think a nineteen seventy three
rule that he could impose Harris if America was under threat,

(04:12):
and the appeals court of seven to four rule that
that wasn't the case. That he's you sert his authority,
So it's gone back to the Supreme Court. Are now
going to have a lock on trump'sby his Now what
he will be doing is his legal people will be

(04:33):
dredging through all kinds of interesting stuff to see what
they can do either to just keep the appeal going
and delaying the tactic, or to turn it over and
if it does crunch for him. Then all of the
negotiations that have taken place since he started putting in

(04:54):
they all go back to gotten. Everybody starts again. But
I think the big question for Trump is the mid
terms are coming up next year, and because half the
Congress comes up every two years, so they don't all
go and run. Now, we talked I think last time

(05:15):
about what the cost of the tariffs mean to the
individual American household forty six bucks a week at this stage,
and sooner or later, there's going to be a bit
of recognition that Trump might not be the savior that
everybody thought they were. And some of those provincial are

(05:37):
they're not provincial, shall we say, The more regional states
in America are going to start and realize, Hang on
a minute, I might not just get back into the
Congress again or to the House if this continues. So

(05:58):
I think there's a few things to play out here.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yet, what's going to happen they're regarding these terroriffs with
Donald Trump, but more importantly the midterms next year. If
he loses the midterms, what does this mean for Congress.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
Well, well, he hasn't really worried about Congress. He's kind
of cut his own plots. See see putting a tariff
through that he has is See what these appeals court
has ruled is that that's the responsibility of Congress, not
of the President. And the President said no, no, no,
I had the rights under the powers of emergency America

(06:33):
and the threat. That's where the whole thing is.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
So if the Supreme Court upholds the appeals court decision
and then he loses Congress, then I think that we've
got a new board to draw a picture of where
we go from here.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
It's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Now we talk about parliament here in New Zealand. Parliamentary
standards is something that you think slipping. We've talked about
this a bit in the past, Eric, but unfortunately all
these different little instances seem to pop up from the ground.
And yet again the narrative seems to involve the Green Party.

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Well, there's certainly an effort on both both, on behalf
of both for Greens and the Mari Party to say
this is how we should be operating. And the first
thing is that Chloe probably hasn't read standing orders or

(07:32):
she's pretending they are out of date. I'm not sure
what that is, but she wasn't asked to withdraw and
apologize for saying that a lot of people hadn't read
the situation right. She was required to apologize for saying
that they were fineless. And there are a lot of words.
All members are honorable members, and you're not allowed to

(07:55):
call someone a liar or duplicious, or a hypocrite or
was finalss that loads are kind of the rules.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Now.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
The quid tro quo of that is that you have
to accept the word of every member, and if they
fall over, if they're proven to have misled the House,
the consequences are quite dramatic, and I'll just draw your
thoughts back to I think it was Claire Curran who
said she ran into Carol Hirshfield when she was Minister
of Broadcasting and they had a sort of accidental meeting

(08:25):
and then they found then they found that she diaried
the meeting six weeks earlier or sometime earlier now, she
lost her portfolio as a minister and subsequently lost her
seat in Parliament. So the consequences if you do lie,
if you're not honorable, they're pretty dramatic, and in order
to kind of honor that you've got all these rules

(08:46):
about what you can and can't say about other members,
and all Choe had to say. Well, she withdrew and apologized,
but she didn't do that. And of course she wouldn't
do that because every day the media was saying, are
you going to polygony? No, No, that's what I said
is true, and she just had an opportunity of repeating
it outside the house.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
It takes all sorts, Sarah Kroi. Now, the Reserve Bank
has been in the news over the last couple of weeks,
and not for the right reasons. This is concerning.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
Well, it kind of is because they've got an important role.
Now they've got very very blunt tools to do what
they've got to do, which is essentially to manage the
economy with a particular interest in keeping in placing below
three percent. Now, what happened is we had the governor

(09:36):
Adrian Or, requesting a lot of money and wanting to
set some new rules and change bit like the Maori
Party in a way, and that was kind of overall.
So he left for an inverted comments personal reason. He
didn't leave for personal reasons. He left because he shown
the toys out of the cot because he didn't get
his own way, and then we had the board offiscating

(09:59):
it's a good word, or not responding to official information
requests about what actually happened. And so then Nicholas said, boy,
hang on a minute, mister Quigley, I think your time
is up, and if you don't volunteer, I'm going to
move you anyway. But given that their role is such
a significant and important role, and perhaps they had been

(10:24):
a little bit, shall we say, just difficult to actually
assist the government, whether it's program of getting growth going,
there's quite a bit of tension there. And if they're
going to make these going to make these rules about
where the interest rates to mop up and just moving
a little bit more slowly than the government intended, and

(10:46):
they are independent, then they need to be able to
stand up some scrutiny on how they make those decisions.
Otherwise they're kind of calling the shots. There is no
responsibility required of them to explain what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
This is ironic. I've just looked them up. The Reserve
Bank of New Zealand. Welcome to the Reserve Bank of
New Zealand. We enable economic well being and prosperity for
all New Zealanders. In underneath you can click on the
careers link.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
There you go. Yeah, well look and it is an
important role that they've got. And look, inflation is the
worst enemy that we've got. I'm old enough to remember
when under mold and have got up to eighteen percent
and we couldn't sell products overseas without subsidizing their production here,

(11:39):
and we were just going a downward spiral. And no
one is interested when you're selling your products to say, hey,
now you've got to pay a bit more. We've got
this problem of inflation. We've actually got to be competitive,
and the cost at which we produce things goes alongside
the quality of what we're doing and all those other
things that build a real appeal about the products that

(12:02):
we sell.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Eric Roy, always appreciate your time on the muster.

Speaker 6 (12:06):
Antlers up right, good one.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
In this time we got supports five miles around.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Thanks for joining us on the muster of this afternoon,
we're away up to the White Kadow Graham Minty Meade.
He called the game yesterday on gold Sport, the Stags,
of course, bringing the log of wood home, arguably in
a smash and grab now Minty. Firstly, good afternoon where
we're just not quite twenty four hours on from the game.
Eighteen hours or so? Has it?

Speaker 7 (12:45):
Sun?

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Can you what actually happened yesterday at the FMG Stadium
for you?

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Oh, look, it sunken pretty quick, come about ten minutes
to go. To be honest, Andy, Steve Gordy and I
talked about it before the game that the shield changes players.
You put the jersey on and they grow a leg
and you guys grew three or four legs, to be honest,
that's seen it happen a few times where you know,

(13:10):
the big win, they come down a week later and
they struggled a little bit and work and I really struggled.
And by jing as your followers put on a good show.
Yeah yeah, there wasn't quite expecting that. But yeah, yeah,
you know what I mean. I'm still behind the couch
hiding at the moment.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Because if you look at those teams on paper, way
can I with your four abs coming back into your equation,
do you reckon that?

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Hin?

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Did your team more than helped or it is just
a matter didn't matter who was on the field that night.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
Look, I don't know, I don't know the guys needed
some rugby, were political teams, the abs, they need some footy,
they come back into the team. Did it disrupt the
team a little bit? And maybe did the weather conditions
that you sent from Southland disrupt what we've got up
here in the beautiful white outa were sunny all the time?
Probably we had we had in the cargo where the

(13:59):
let's be honest, it was a howling gale piddling with rain.
You fellows looked at that and said, by jeez, we're home,
And yeah, I don't think who we put on the
pedic last night could have made a difference or would
have made a difference. We got out, passioned, out, played
out and out had everything actually that the guys chucked
it out there. But defense from you guys two good

(14:21):
attack At times both of us were pretty stoic, you know,
we knocked each other over in tackles. And then end
of the day, that big barely number eighty yours burst
down the sideline, brushed off about fifty nine people, pushed
most of the crowd back up into the stand and
passed your half back and he scored how many people

(14:41):
there wasn't fair, but how many.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
People meanted were at the game though, because there's not
a good look when you see these big stadiums empty
for occasions like this, or is that just the nature
of the NPC these days and we need to accept
on Sunday afternoon you're not going to draw the crowds
like once upon a time.

Speaker 7 (14:58):
Well, the crowd wasn't bad. I know they saw on TV.
On the other side, they don't normally open that, so
the TV doesn't show the main stand that we were in,
and everybody was way up the top. They opened up
and let everybody get right up underneath cover, so it
was just terrible less shot so it was probably the
worst we've had for a while. So everybody had right
up the top of the stands and no one wanted

(15:19):
to stay in the weather other than kJ he got
pretty wet. But you know, there wasn't a bad crowd.
I'm thinking probably about from my best guess what they
said after I think about six seven thousand people eight
thousand people there, which will be half of what you
got down there on the weekend when Cannibury come.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, because we've got Canterbury on Saturday afternoon. Arguably tm
K for Stag Day was the mantra. We went by
here down the south for the opening ground of the
MPC Monte. But all indications are there the Southn's going
to need each neary voice on that terrace, in the
stands around the ground and just throughout the province to
take on the mighty Cantabs this weekend. This's be honest.

(15:57):
Nobody wants Kenna ready to have the shield.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
No, no, no, no, I'm with you on that one
hundred percent, one hundred percent on that. But look, I
just got a tip my hat to the team. He
brought up young fellows, Keen, a couple of old heads
in there with the and Doune Shay. They led, well,
there was just shield rugby.

Speaker 8 (16:17):
Look, I love it for me.

Speaker 7 (16:19):
It's shield Rugby and it's great for the shield to
move around. You know, we had it for a week.
There was parties everywhere. You'll have it for however long
you have it. But I guarantee you what three o'clock
this afternoon, when it lands down in the cargo or airport,
all hell is going to break loose.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Because the consensus seems to be mante that this is
exactly what the run freely shield and arguably the EMPTC.
This is a shot in the arm that was needed.

Speaker 7 (16:45):
Damn right, it is too right, it is. There's been
more talk about the shield moving than there is about
NPC rugby and things in the last few weeks. And
isn't that good? Is that we want from a game
of foot? We want that passion. Like I got a
photo with the shield last night before the game, thank goodness.
But every time it visits, I try and get a

(17:07):
photo with it because it something for me that it's
it's iconic. It's a piece of wood with a bit
of steel on it. And yeah, like Steve Gordon said
to it, said, there's something about it. He said, there's
something about that piece of wood. He said, when you
get your hands on it, he said, you treasure it
because you never know how long you got it for.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Because you think of the team from yesteryear, you think
of the cannery team we wanted in eighty two, held
it to eighty five. Then Auckland held it for the
rest of the decade until nineteen ninety three, and it's
just a you're around it and the people that have
held that log of wood, and it's gone through generations
of New Zealand rugby so it's great to see that
the appeal is still there.

Speaker 7 (17:46):
Oh look for me, it's it is and it's youngsters
as well. Now we're seeing a little bit of the
kids now understanding what ran Philly shields. They're saying, oh hey,
this is pretty different, you like there's everyone's got a
story with the shield. David Fox let me look after
it for two days because there was no one around
to look after it. It slept in my bed my

(18:08):
wife was away and Ozie. I was scared of losing
the damn thing. So I put it in a bed
a sleep with me because I was too scared to
lose the damn thing. Every call I went to every day,
I carried it with me because I couldn't leave it
in Macarendroin. And they're stupid because they're never going to
get stolen. But that's how scared I was losing it.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Just finally Montee, the state of Rugby up in the Whykadow.
What's it looking like?

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Kids?

Speaker 7 (18:31):
Why huge? We've got a little group running their power
farming cup they call it where because we lost the
Gwin shield, rolling mills, all those sorts of things. Because
of some of the regions pulled accident and want the competition.
But these guys have got teams going. They're getting thousand
kids turning up every Sunday to play what you'd call

(18:52):
rep rugby where teams are put together. So junior rugby's
really good. Secondary school rugby's okay. We come out of
secondary school and we die, and then we somehow some
of the kids turned back up and we've got a
bit of senior footy going on. So we've got a
real gap between leaving school and becoming a young adult

(19:14):
at about twenty one twenty two. Not trying hard to
bring it back. There's a lot of cooperation going on.
Under eighty fives had a house set a few years ago.
It's flattened out here. We're battling financy and for players.
Basketball's taking so many players at the moment because the
kids are loving that it's something to run into. Rugby

(19:37):
will always be there, But I don't know any you
and I used to pull the boots on for a
pair of shorts and a beer. Afterwards, a lot of
them got the hens out and there to say, well
I won't put my shorts on a less stuff free,
and I've got a pair of this with them. But yeah, look,
different reasons, different seasons. I played footy because I loved

(19:58):
the buddy thinking always always will. But you're a bit
different now. But I could say too much sometimes it
will get me the trouble.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Mate.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Hey, good on your minty, Thanks very much for your time.
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Good on your minty and Antler's.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Up AND's up?

Speaker 7 (20:24):
Mate, You've got a few of those out of me
last night too, didn't you.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
I didn't do it was a few of those.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
Love your work mate. This is the master on Haku.
The song is called Barbara Riley Now. Austin Smith and
Nicol Gray hit me up in.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
The pub after tennis last week asking me what the
heck Barbara Riley was about in regards to his song,
so here you go, Cracker and Osty. Barbara Riley is
not an actual person, but a portmanteau that's pronounced correctly.
Of the two main inspirations for the Who's guitarist Pete
Town's end barber who is an Indian spiritual master, and
Terry Riley, a minimalist composer whose influence was heard in

(21:06):
the song's iconic synth risk riff. The title reflects townsends
attempt to create a barber in the style of Terry Riley,
and also alludes to the song's theme of desolation and
teenagers events like Woodstock and teenage waste Slam, which is
the key line in that song It has sung throughout
the song was a working title derived from Towsym's observations
of a trash and waste left behind by fans at

(21:28):
a Woodstock concert, and despite the lyrical content, the title,
Barbara Riley was chosen to honor his two muses rather
than reflect the desolation he witnessed, so Cracker and Osty.
I hope that clarifies that for you. Tom O'Brien, our
next guest. He'll be listening with interest of that song, Tommy,
Good afternoon, Brabara Ry. It's a hell of a tune,
but awfully confusing. If you don't know what it's about.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, truth be told, mate, I'm pretty confused by that intro.
It was pretty pretty fully loaded. But you know, what
do you expect from the Who and Pete Townshend. Fantastic artist,
fantastic musician. God the songwriting and the Who's pretty pretty amazing.
Really yeah, great band. But yeah, I don't know. I
could say to send you as being a bit of
an influenced by a bit of you know, Indian philosophy

(22:12):
and Numa Stay type styles. Andy.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, you're based up in Garston. You're helping up with
the Kings and Fly this afternoon, the season not far away.
Sounds like you're stripping down a motor or some bearings
or something. What's to go?

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Oh, well, there's a.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Bit going on. You know, pre season always sort of
ramps things up of it around to tender, you know,
second day of spring. So at the moment, my mate
Dave and I are just getting ready to head up
the track. We mark out old rotten sleepers and then
we take out the screws or the dog spikes, and
then we've got a whole lot of new sleepers that

(22:46):
are going to be coming in and we'll be replacing
those sleepers. So there's that's going on. Dave has also
been working on a couple of the carriages, So he's
a joiner and among other talents, and he who's been
doing quite a lot of woodworking on the carriers. And
then we've got Neville who'll be coming up and doing

(23:09):
quite a bit of work on the engine. He'll be
concentrating on stripping off all the all of the fittings
off the boiler. Yeah, and just getting the dopexing on
the boiler and basically just fixing any bits and bobs
that we need pre season.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Really, how long does the sleeper last on the Kingston
rail line?

Speaker 7 (23:30):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Well, some of the sleepers will be taking out are
probably close to eighty eive years old, so you know
they originally would have been made of Jarrah hardwood, Australian
jarrah hardwood. A lot of the speakers we use nowadays
the macrocarpa.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
As far as stripping down the Kingston flow, how many
man howls does it take to prepare it for the
upcoming season?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Oh it's a hard one, mate, because yet it's not
truly actually start taking all the things off that you
really sort of understand what needs to happen. You know,
there's a lot of you know, because so old school
in every sense of the word, you know, getting getting
some of the getting some of the bits and bobs
that you needed can be quite difficult. It's just very specialized,
you know, engineering side of things. But there's a lot

(24:14):
of sort of repacking, got what we call repacking the
glands and yeah, just a lot of cleaning and a
lot of stealing things up and you know, replacing nuts
and bolts and stuff. So I don't know it it's
not thousands of ours, but probably one hundreds of hours
pre season, I would say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Because there's not like a flat pack. When you're left
of a couple of the screws at the end, you
can go through and recorrect it. Doing a big motor
light down on a locomotive train for goodness sakes, and
another kettle official together.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, well we don't have a big enough allen key
for you know, nuts and bolts on the old on
the old engine.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
But actually, actually another interesting is that the Flyer has
got an anniversary coming up. Yes, so seven we've got
two engines seven ninety five and eight, what if a
day to one hundred, one hundred years old. Really we're

(25:09):
going to make a bit of a celebration of that
around labor weekends. So yeah, so yeah, an oldie, but
a goodie in every sense of the word.

Speaker 8 (25:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I think everybody from my vintage anyway and Northern South
and remembers going on the Kings and Flyer in the
early eighties and the great crunchy train robbery of course
firmed on it back in the day. That's iconic, I
believe that.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I think you're right. I think that was filmed in
nineteen seventy nine, and I remember that ad watching that
ad as a kid as well. And of course we
all you know, up until relatively recently, we also used
to have the grapes hold up on the train. A
few of the local farmers would jump on the horses
and ride along the side of the track and would
slow the train down. And then they watched carriages and

(25:53):
you know, they'd have their their faces covered up with masks,
and they'd have their cowboy hats and and you know,
guns and all that sort of stuff with the bolts out,
and they'd come through and rob everyone on the train.
And then they would come through with a big, big
sort of chips full of crunchy dars and hand them
out and it was great fun.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I was just about to say they need to hand
out crunchy bars. That is brilliant. I didn't realize the
locals were in on this. It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was really really good. I think, yeah,
you wouldn't You wouldn't be allowed to do it nowadays,
sort of the health and safety rules would pretty much
stop you from doing any of that sort of stuff now.
But but it was it was really really fun to
be a part of. And highly skilled horseman as well,
so you know that the driver and the fireman had
to sort of slow the train right down so enough

(26:40):
so that they could actually come from the horse actually
onto the carriage, which is pretty impressive to watch. So absolutely, yeah,
but yeah, it's you know, we're looking forward to a
really good season. We've got really good forward bookings with
you wholesalers and bound operators and you know bus to
the company. So so the so the Pubbers is looking

(27:02):
to sort of extend its ability to accommodate a lot
of those people on buses, say in clement weather, you know,
we can put them out into the into the carriage
where the train with the where the Pubbers and they
can have your lunch and so on. And so forth.
So so yeah, here's still a good season.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
When does it start the season?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
October the first?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
We're not far away a month, We're just a month
some months out. Yeah, so that's kind of like, well, oh,
we better we better start building up to eat a
steam before the season kicks off.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Great punt ah, look out Andy. Hey, that's brilliant, Tom.
He will leave it there, Mate, always fascinating to talk
and especially regarding the Kingsom Flyer. We'll leave it there,
and I'll always appreciate your time on the Master, Mate.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I appreciate as well, Mate, Cacher lator.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
Laugh out loud, ag proud because life on the land
can be a laughing matter.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Brought to us by sheer Well Data working to help
the livestock farmer. At the age of sixty five, my
grandma started walking ten kilometers a day. She's ninety two.
Now we've got no idea where she is. Care it

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is it in this we got support us half miles around.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
We got we got the heart, got the.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
And before we wrap up for a Wednesday afternoon, we're
joined in studio by victorious Ramfrelly, shield winning Southland Stagg's proper.
He smiling when I say that Morgan Mitchell local Legion
down here in the South Morgan, good afternoon. Firstly, you've
recovered from Sunday.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
Thank you for having me. Yeah, you have recovered from
Sunday and Monday. Ah, it has been awesome. Yeah, there's
a lot of free piss coming out, so I had
to drink all them. But we had to put our
heads in yesterday. Yeah, to training yesterday afternoon. Yeah, got

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ready to get back into it for this Saturday, and
near finished off with a fitness session as a whole group.
So yeah, we'll go back to normal now. So ready
to go again for Saturday.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
How did that fitness session go use today?

Speaker 9 (29:29):
I was hating it, but have once we got it done,
I actually were all feelt better.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:35):
I think it's the whole reason why we did it,
just to sweat out the piss.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And bring you back to earth. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,
we go back to Sunday night. The image of sticks
out for me as Jack Taylor chanting Southland just grabbing
this left tech grabbing the grabbing the goldenss that that's
iconic moments like that and all you guys and that

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photo there. The arguments out there you've reinvigorated the MPC.
That's just all you're hearing from throughout the sporting media
in the country. Have not the media in general.

Speaker 9 (30:13):
Jack Taylor is the true passionate man. And yeah, he
did make a statement there smashing the East on the Southland.
It's what it means to us and what it means
for Southland and yeah did it for you guys? Yeah,
it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
How long did it take for everything to sink in
and what actually happened? Well, has it sunk in?

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (30:41):
When it really sunk in, when I got to see
mom and dad on the sideline, That's really when I
had it home. And then probably when we brought the
shield in the training room just singing our team song.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
What is the team song? Just the Southland chart.

Speaker 9 (31:00):
I've sort of lost my voice so I can't do
it just yeah, I mean, I just like we moments
like reading articles and seeing highlights. It just gives me goosebumps.
So yeah, it's pretty special to be.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Honest, because from a fans' perspective, Right, I followed south
in rugby since Gym's sounding old house since nineteen eighty two. Right,
So we win the Shield in nine we're lucky enough
to get it again in twenty eleven. But for me,
this one here just resonates more because we were talking
about this just before Morgan, about the low times in
South and Rugby and eventually you get rewarded, and we've

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been rewarded in a big way. And the fact I
took my boys to the airport to see the team
come in there on Monday afternoon, I felt vindicated for
pulling them out of school early at two o'clock or
everyone shooting down there because I was trying to explain
to my youngest son. He goes, so, what's so important
about the shield? And I said, you have no idea
the amount of all blacks. So Jeff Wilson on TV

(31:59):
on Sunday night, when you want it, like Justin Marshall
wills myna chuckling away, but gold he's never won the shield.
He come close to ninety four and just seeing it
come through Sean Withy carrying it all you guys coming
through and just a passion in the room, you know
it was. It was brilliant and they're just vindicated being
a self and fan.

Speaker 9 (32:19):
Like a few as you said before, if you go
back to one and eleven they when they brought it
home and I've seen that and we got to do it.
So it's good for the younger generation that are coming through,
you know, like they can do it as well.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (32:38):
Yeah, you hear a lot of people that don't want
it at all. That's what makes it so special for
the renfolitional. So I'm proud to be part of the history. Yes,
this is a special thing. Really.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
You think of the battling teams, the teams that have
been battlers, like the Stags Manowa two in Northland, they
haven't had it since the late seventies. Perhaps I think
one of or two may have in the early eighties
or the likes, but they haven't seen it. So the
facts the Stags have had it three times in our
lifetimes as well. It's staggering hues the pun.

Speaker 9 (33:14):
It's awesome. Yeah, as you said, the Stacks don't lie.
You know, some teams don't get it for a long time,
and we've had we've had the charge and we've actually
managed to win it. So yeah, it's it's special. Even
it gives me goosebumps talking about it now, but yeah,
it's just one of those things.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
So it's Canterbury on Saturday. They're a team that is
flying along in the MPC. Look the odds are out
from the TAB. They've got the stags of five dollars
head to head. That's the way you guys like it though, right,
Oh we love it.

Speaker 9 (33:51):
If TAB wants to lose the money and we win,
we just loved it. But all seriousness, we all believe
in ourselves and yeah, Saturday four thirty, Yeah we're up
for really, we're reready talking about it, about the defense,
so yeah, we can't wait to hock and you defend

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it and hopefully do well for celflone again.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Because around Preddy Shields involved, do you grow another league?

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Oh one?

Speaker 9 (34:23):
Um, we're going to full days training tomorrow and I
guarantee you there will be another league there somewhere. So yeah,
we'll be ripping and there's just him that shield. At
training last yesterday it was just around us. We head
up with us the whole time. So yeah, definitely grows

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another league for you year hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
And then we fast forward to this afternoon. You're hear
in your worktop, you're out there, you're going to go
and riddle some dry use or something. This afternoon, So
back to reality for a bit.

Speaker 9 (34:58):
Like Royal List, Doc have has been so supportive. I
can't think them enough. And yeah, once I get out
there full time with them, Yeah, I can't wait to
give it back to them. Yeah, they've been awesome, so
great company, great, great people.

Speaker 8 (35:13):
To work for.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So what's your message to the south and public ahead
of Saturday's game?

Speaker 9 (35:18):
Morgan, just keep believing us. We're believing ourselves get down
there on Saturday four thirty. The more people we have,
the better it is for us, just having the extra player.
And yeah, it's just an awesome to be proud to

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be proud of a Southland. It's an awesome province and
we all love each other. Yeah, it's just what's Southland?

Speaker 1 (35:46):
It's so special and nobody wants Kennaby to have the shield.
Shout out to work Kenny listeners, But I'm sorry, this
is totally Stags on Saturday A.

Speaker 9 (35:57):
Yeah, can it be a pretty classy team but no,
we're gonna beck ourselves, go deep in the our d
and you're believe in ourselves and we will hook in
big torn.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Good only Morgan, always appreciate your time. How can the
ripping and tearing on Saturday afternoon. Antler's up for the
weekend day.

Speaker 9 (36:15):
Thank you very much, Thank you very much for having
me on.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Thanks for joining us. This is a master and hocknie.
My name is Andy Mueller and our next guest is
Dave McGregor. Here's Chair of Southland Fishing Game. Dave. Good, afternoon. Firstly,
you're on the farm. It's all go this afternoon.

Speaker 8 (36:40):
How things been, Yeah, I'm not too bad, Andy at
the moment where sort of having some some shares come
through reasonably often and in the blue sky and the
sun following it. So but Wendy, but it's not cold.
It's just you got a sort of time. You're on
your under go outside and not your unless you have
to take a jacket with you. And it's never fun
putting on the leggings and the jackets for twenty minutes

(37:02):
and taking them off again and then putting them back on.
But then mind, it is what it is. So but
let's knock you dead.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Grass covers are looking okay, yeah that to be us.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
Like I said, you know, grass sort of grew all
through the winter since it was so mild, So grass
is coming away and you sort of put them into
a padic and move them on, and you don't think
grass has actually growing until you sort of look through
for days after you've taken them out, and you think
only the cover's coming away in here. So it's quite good, Hey.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
You narracie it come out. Then it came out this week, Dave.
Regarding Karina Jordan, she's she moved away from being chief
or currently chief executive for Fishing Games. She was due
to move on from that role, but she's been reappointed
for another twelve months. And tell us a bit more
about this. It's intriguing.

Speaker 8 (37:45):
Yeah, well she greena moved on to the Game Animal
Council and so yeah, now the Game Animal Council and
Fishing Game have done a deal of such for her
to share a sort of both roles. There is quite
a lot of sort of complementary between our two organizations,
with a lot of deer hunters and tar hunters that

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also shoot. So yeah, and she's coming back for a
twelve month period and she's just going to concentrate on
the high level reform stuff that Fishing Game's gone through.
At the moment I said, you know, we've had this
reform now that's been the biggest sort of change since
we went from the climonization the decision games. So she's

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going to be involved in the political side of that
with the Minister, And yeah, I think it's a good
move considering she's been with us for three years, so
she knows the ins and out and she's very dedicated
and she's very driven in that sort of policy arena.
So yeah, I think it'll be a good mode.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
So how much reform are we talking about for the organization?

Speaker 8 (38:45):
Well, I said that the Minister has has made a
reasonable amount of reform to be honest, you know, putting
us under our own act and then you know, trying
to centralize everything a bit more and get us all
done in the right direction. So it's it's be a
regional amount of reform and I think the time shit
frame for it is quite short. So I think it's

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a good idea that Serena has come in and she'll
just be dealing with that and then Richie will be organized.
I will be dealing with the day to day business
as usual through fishing game to make sure all of
that side of it, you know, running smoothie. So for
a person to try and do both I think would
have been a very hard art, so I think it's
worked out quite good.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Of course you're talking about Ritchie Cosgrove there. But I
suppose a concern could be is it a conflict of
interests working for both the organizations at once? Perhaps?

Speaker 8 (39:36):
Well, I suppose there is that possibility, but I believe
you could probably have to talk to Screen and more
about this. I believe that both organizations are putting an
over oversight in regard to her to have a couple
of people and involved from both organizations on a panel
as such, to sort of run through and go through

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whenever there is some possible conflict thin So I think
there always could be, like anything, but I think the
policies they're putting in place and the steps they're putting
in place that should be mitigated to a large extent.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Part of this reform, Is it due to the stouse
you had last year with South from feeds or this
year as well. Is that part of the reason that
Minister Mega's come in.

Speaker 8 (40:22):
No, I think it's had a little bit of to
do with it. But like I said that, the reform
and restructures I've talked about for in fishing game for
teen twenty years. So you know, it's always been there.
There was meetings with the previous Minister Maclay about this
before the Fed Farmer's Stealth came along. So, like I said,

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there's always been talk of reform. It's just everyone's sort
of always listened to the talk and toryah okay, and
then finally this time they've actually decided to do something.
So I think that sort of took a lot of
people by surprise how quick it was considering the last
ten six or so years. You know, there has been
talk of it, but I don't, Like I said, it
definitely wasn't the our issue with good farmers that created

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this whole whole review. It was, but it was I'd
say it might have hastened it along a week and such.
I think the Minister has already already said that in
one of his interviews that it was not the catalyst
for it, but it maybe it just moved it along
a little bit quicker than it normally would have.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
So how is the situation with yourself and South and Faed's.
We're about three weeks out from the opening of the
fishing season down here, what's the situation?

Speaker 8 (41:26):
To be honest, actually I haven't talked to Jason for
a while, there's sort of been nothing sort of flowing around,
and I've just been doing my thing, and I presume
he's been or they've seemed to be having a crack
at green Peace and a few other things. So yeah,
I've seemed to have we we seem to have fallen
in the background. But no, I've always, like said men
Jason had a good relationship. But I still believe we do,
but haven't actually had a conversation for a while, so

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I do we probably do need to get on the
phone and have a chat and having to go.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, the green Peace situation was interesting though, and putting
that better up and Gore, did you think they were
going over the top by their nt and such?

Speaker 8 (42:03):
It's a hard one because, like I said, you know,
a banner as a banner, you know, I believe it
was just tied on and he could untie it. So
that's that's a tough one. What is you know, what
is protest and what is vandalism? All that. I wouldn't
have said it was vandalism when something's just tied onto
the steying over top of the sign, but I said,
the great Green piece are sort of renounced it for
doing things like that, so I didn't really to take

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much notice of the Kuna Dave, This is interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
It seems as though there's been a really archaic rule
regarding fishing licenses, but there's been a correction regarding woman.
Explain this a bit more. It's interesting.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Yeah, well it's on the it's on the family license.
So the family license was was mum and dad and
the one, two, three, four, whatever the kids it was,
and you'd you'd get your family license to make things
a week bit more cheaper and easier and accessible. And
then also you know it's time to get the mum
and dad to get out more often. So what the
problem was was the person who was the number one

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on it. Look normally the man. Yeah, the lady or
the wife couldn't go and take the kids fishing if
that the other partner wasn't there, which was a bit
of archaic. I suppose, you know, on the farm side.
If you know, if I'm working on the farm and
I can't get off, and you know, and the wife
and the kids want to go down after school, you

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know they couldn't because you know, it was deemed that
they didn't have the proper license. To take the kids.
So now they've changed that. So yeah, license holder one
or license holder too has got the sole right to
take the kids fishing. So it makes things a week
bit easier. And I suppose that it was a bit
of an archaic rule. So yeah, a couple of people
were we're looking at changing it. Dave Harris, one of

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our counselors, was quite strong on the whole family license change,
so he sort of pushed forth. And then now it
also the second license holder can now actually vote in
our elections. Was supposed there's another good thing to get
more people engaged and hopefully at the end of it,
get more people out there fishing and get the kids
involved in a bit more, you know, if they're to
be busy and can't get going, and my mum's got

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you know, a couple of airs after school or any
stace you go down to the river and see if
they can catch a fish. So hopefully it'll it'll be
a good move. It's probably been long overdue, but yeah,
sometimes these things take some time.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
But why is it taken so long until twenty twenty
five for this role to be amended.

Speaker 8 (44:18):
Ah, I don't mind, to be honest, I'm not so
sure why it's taken too long. Fishing Games sometimes does
seem to something seemed to drag out. But yeah, like
I said, we probably need to take that on the
gin and so we could have could have done this
a lot better as an organization. But I suppose these
are the things that the minister is talking about. Streamlining
some things and getting a few more and you know,

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a lot easier and more user friendly. So it's happened now,
so I suppose that's that's the one good thing. But yeah,
it probably has taken too long, but worthy annow so hopefully.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
It'll stranger.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Away to change.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Dave McGregor there from South and Fishing Game, wrapping up
the best of the muster for another Saturday morning. My
name is En. Thanks very much for your company. Enjoy
the weekend wrap up. Warm Up the Stags