October 10, 2025 • 45 mins
Andy Muir talks to Blair Drysdale, Jeff Grant, Tori Tremaine, Jacob Duffy and Kathryn Wright.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last night I had this stream a very good morning
and welcome along.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
To the best of the muster a collaboration of interviews
and took our attention during a hectic week here at
Hocknuy headquarters.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
My name's Andy Muer. Thanks to your company.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're starting off by heading up to northern Southland just
out of balfer Bleire. Blocker Drysdale comments on the weather
and how there's a lot of aerie similarities of this
time twelve months ago when it was part of the
big wet spring as we all know about. Block of
Towers tells us how the last six weeks has been
on his operation and how frustrating it has been just
trying to hit the work done. Jeff Grant, Northern South
(00:40):
of ad business owner, talks about the alliance proposal with
Dawn meets. The road shows have been and gone down
here in the South there continuing for the next week
or so when you, I do believe, but Jeff, thanks
is more of this we need to think about before
making a decision. Tory Tremaine from Betamin Crookshank Pride. The
lawyers talked incorporated societies and things you need to know
(01:01):
if you're involved from the corporated society that could bite
you in the bum if not addressed before. I think
it's about April next year. Jacob Duffy, black Caps bowler.
We had Jacob on the show on Wednesday talking about
a pretty full on six months he's had being a
Black Caps cricketer, playing Test cracket, short form format cracket
and playing in the hundred as well over in the UK.
(01:23):
So always good to catch up with Jacob and Catherine
Wright talking about Mental Health Awareness Week. We caught up
with her during the week while she is just about
not far from getting on the plane to come back
from down south while being up in Auckland and just
tells us about why you need to take time out
for yourself and actually consider your top three inches as
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being the prerogat as being what you need to think about.
So without further ado, we'll start the yell with Blair
Block of Drysdale.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You're listening to the best of the muster.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Blair Drysdale Farms just out of Belfer and mixed farming
operation there and he joins us in the Sergeant Dan
Farming ground up thanks to Sergeant Dan Stock foods here
in the main.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Street of gorge just off it blocker.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, and you well, just a little
bit cold.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But not too bad.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It hasn't rained so far today, but look, it's just
been an interesting spring after what we had last year.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And you just jinxed today it'll rain and lot's forecast
to rain, so you let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
The yeah, well we've got to have that concrete.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Just getting just a little bit more moisture on top
of it though, just to keep that feeling going right.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Oh and you've got to laugh for at you cry.
I mean I said just so many times that you'd
never get to springs and the road like the last one,
and admittedly where nowhere near is were that's for sure,
but it's probably colder and we've had less sunshine and
just talking off there, we're talking and you said about
masmen having four hundred millimeters timber. They've got my sympathy
because that is a ship ton of rain and that
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is not great. I guess it hangs around for a
while term and we're waiting for water logging to disappear
on had it still and have done next to no
egg work, you know. I slipped to his home for
the school holidays and hoping to get a heap of
airs and the tractor and earned some money. And you
know he could be on one while I was on
the other. We did nothing. So yeah, very I think
frustrating is probably the key word for most people. It
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said Jodie going down the lane yesterday. Lambs are they're
looking a little bit white and washed out. You know,
they haven't had a lot of stun and year grasses
long disappeared. Lot the here dairy heifer is here there.
We're only just keeping enough grass in front of them
and supplementing them as well. So yeah, it really is
a somewhat of a repeat last year. So hopefully October
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pools it's bloody head and smartly, or else there's going
to be some very pissed off people.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Did you have a frost this morning?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
He had a frost this morning, And we had a
we had a good one one day last week? Was
it a company?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What day?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We had a rub of frost and then it snowed
on top of it, the snow freezing? Was that Wednesday?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yet?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
She was an interesting morning. But look outside there today
it's just it's like a July day. We had frost
with fog. The fog bugged off pretty quick and the
sun poked out and then it came in overcast, and
it's it's probably only two degrees out there at the moment,
maybe three, I don't know. It's not everybody warm, is
that first thing? Smaning load and grain. And I don't
often get cold feet, but here my feet were cold
by the time I got them back inside for a
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coffee at eight o'clock. So yeah, it's just it's just cold.
So all teams are cold. Nothing's really moving that fast,
grass crops, absolutely nothing. So yeah, there's a long road
ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yet I reckon you might have jinked it yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Actually there, did you talk about wearing shirts all year round?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You're one of those crew? How do you put trousers on?
Maybe it'll warm up.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I had a day last week I had to because
I wouldn't go outside the bike. Actually might have been
that snowy morning as I'd bugger this, this is ridiculous.
So I actually flipped the pants on that morning for
first hour if though out around the bike. But other
than that yet, they don't feel it too much, to
be fair, And it's just something I've gotten used to
and I don't like wearing pants very much at all.
(05:08):
I do with in public just to a sort of
lives that when I'm out clary, I do wear pants.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, okay, say they more, But we just look at
the situation we're faced with. So groundworks pretty much your
main thing you're trying to get on with at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It would really like to get Asambraska's in the ground,
you know, shortly, but I'm not going to put them
in and they still teams, so you know, that's a
solid ten anyway. They can stay in the back door
then and then yeah, peas want peas and you know
peas and spring balley in before labor again would be
really nice, but there's have have a lot of work
to do before then. Now, So yeah, there's a we
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it gone on. Still we're pretty you know, I found
enough windows of spraying and fur I'm up to date
on that front. There's still one pet of the spray
out for peas. It's just finding, you know, like I
hopen to do it later this morning, but the grass
is still covered in do it's overcast and here I
think it's actually meant to blow before it rains. So yeah,
there's just not a lot of windows to spraying and
even doing for it. It's been hard fighting norwise. So
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one day last week where I just had to give
up for about six hours, it was that there was
one about eighty ks got up too, so had to
give up in that. So it has been challenging, It's
no doubt about that. But I guess that's why directors
have lights. We just do moras and find windows when
we camps.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But here's a good news story the environment south on
the Wards happened again Friday evening passed. You were down
there the bullies at Longers. They're doing some pretty cool
stuff on farm there. They're own Country Calendar a few
years ago and they were featured.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, and you know, I'm part of the Balfa caption group.
Both christ and Andrew and they've always been leaders farming
in that environmental aspect of a beautiful farm. They put
a lot of time, energy, resources and expense into it
and making improvements without necessarily being prior to they just
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did it accord. So yeah, we're down there with them
on Friday night. So heah, congrats to Andrew and Crest.
They took out the environmental Leadership and Farming Award, which
is really cool. So yeah, that all the family was there,
which is really nice. Though it's a really good evening.
I think what really took the cake at the end
of night was the eleven year old boy from town
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now who took out the Councilor's award for what he
does around place, that recycling. So it's quite inspiring when
you get kids that age, you know, starting to do
their bit for the community. So that's really good. It's actually,
you know, if anyone's king, it's a really good evening
to go to good networking evening as well, and that's
quite inspiring what some people do.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Christ nailed it when he was up there talking. You know,
you don't have to do a lot, you just do
lots of little things in bite sized chunks and it
adds up over time. So I think that's a really
important message that you don't have to go spend the
kens of thousands of dollars in one hat and that's
what worked on the little bitte chunks and just slowly
work away at it and chip away at it over time.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's the saying I once heard about eating an elephant
it's not in one big, smaller sports setting, but just
over time taking little bites to add to the collective goods.
So that's pretty much been Christmas.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Approach definitely, and I think it's the majority of people's approach,
and it's a it's a good approach too because you
also don't want to rush into big projects perhaps isn't
the best money spent either, so you know there's plenty
of expertise out there that you can tap into around
you know, building a wetland, seven ponds, et cetera, et cetera,
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and also grants they can get so you don't have
to do all these things alone either. So it's important
to people go out and investigate the help they can get.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sporting highlight for the weekend. What was it for you?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Broncos getting up? That was good to see. I've got
that bloody tired. I couldn't watch all the second half
and went to bed and thought it was a bit
of a foregone conclusion in the Melbourne way. Anyway, wake
up for us this morning and clicked on the news
and Damn had one, so I was pretty stoked. But
he had a busy weekend. Sport was one night there was,
like I said, to your head, Cricket on one screen,
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Formula one on another, and the rugby on another. So
it's a bit heat if I don't really watch Formula one.
But Craig and Jeanette Collins over there with the daughter
Honor for the Formula one and we have a laser
Kiwi flag and a and our duck shooting heart where
we stay and he's strokes a look can I take
laser Kiwi flag to try and get it on the telly?
So that's why I've been watching a wee bit of that.
But I haven't seen the laser Kiwi flag yet. But anyway,
(09:28):
but yeah, great weekend sport. Good to see the AB's
get up as well. I was somewhat dubious with her
would or not anyway, it was all pretty good. It's
just the Stags, which I forgot to watch because I
thought it was on Saturday not Friday.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You didn't miss out on the thing, trust me.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You didn't miss out on much.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Look Reese Welsh last night.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
If you haven't seen these highlights, go and watch the sky.
He's just the most He's the biggest thing going in
rugby league at the moment. More so than Nathan Cleary,
which is saying something. Every time he's near the ball,
something happens and regrets other So what you think of
the Giry all the Broncos is an organization. You have
to respect that they won that competition of the way
that they have, but they're one of in such a
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manner that they're wanting people. If they're watching them, it's
a case of what are they going to do next?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, and lot Recee Welsh. He's young, he's only twenty three.
He is far from the biggest man on the field
that by how he is strong both physically and mentally,
and he's pretty good at reading a game and knowing
where he needs to be what he approved last night,
So he's got a massive future ahead of him. Yet
that man, So for shame we didn't get up in
the cricket black capsuse it's October.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Who's watching cricket at the start of October haven't even
started the club yet?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, I mean we watched Super Rugby in February, so
the arguments the same.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, but the weather is a bit more conducing for
rugby than what it is for cricket in New Zealand
at this time of year.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
There's a fair argument against that too, but yeah, there's
a massive difits least from the ground, that's for sure
the other night. But it's a shame it had rained
prior to that match. Yeah, I think it would have
been slightly different had it not rained. But anyway, that's
job done and Ozzie had to sweep this Eres.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, absolutely good on your block. I always appreciate your time.
And please, for the love of God, put some pents on.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All right, we'll do.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Cheers, Andy, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Back to the muster, Jeff Grant. These days Northern Southland
business owner joins us in our political roundup for a
Monday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Jeff, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Thanks? Andy?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
How are you pretty good?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We just need a bit of big yellow in the
sky just to get that grass ticking over.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I'd say yes without any doubt. We're starting to find
the spring being a bit tight and tough, and look
for most of it's around just the continual grizzly rain
and then getting another twenty five mills and weekend just
sort of it makes it hard to keep solf happy.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
This alliance proposal with Dawn meets the Waikaia fives come
on board in the last couple of weeks with a counterproposal.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
What's going to happen through all of us?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is interesting because the more people I speak to,
it's a case of as a resignation of if we
don't say yes, well we don't really want to think
about what happens after that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, I think, look, obviously it's always going to be
difficult for somebody to put up a counterproposal. As I understand,
in terms for the group, they have not been able
to get the information memorandum, which others obviously had as
part of the process. The reality is that they seem
to be reasonably confident around credible options in terms of
(12:32):
future funding. I think the difficulty is that the price
and the deal looks really good eighteen months ago, but
since then, you know, things have turned around significantly. Appears
at Alliance have turned around an eighty million dollar position
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for the year in a season that hasn't had a
peak flow where you know you've had the volume coming in.
So the ship from some million loss to a twenty
million profit is a really good turn around. But look,
in this steal, effectively you're giving away fishly sixty five
percent of all future profits. Secondly, you're giving away one
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hundred and ninety one sixty five percent of one hundred
and ninety one million tax loss. That's what the shareholders
have had to wear over the last two years, that
sixty five percent of the benefit of that. Now it
would go on this steal. I think that if you
look at the multiple in terms of sale price, to
give you an example, Blue Sky, I think last time
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was around six percent six times the multiple Silver Fair
and Farms in the Johinese deal was about six six
times multiple. This is only four So what you're doing
is selling a business that eighteen months ago looked pretty
shaky on the price of the basis of eighteen months ago.
But the reality is, I think that the business has
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turned around significantly, has the capacity with support of shareholders
to rescue the company infirsually. I don't think the shareholders
of Line should be responsible for the whole of the
meat industry in terms of any consolidation or we had
the cost of that. I think, you know, you've got
to remember as part of that debt they've created over
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the last few years, that debt has predominantly been driven
by a couple of activities. One is an IT system
that costs a lot more than was initially intended, around
eighty million dollars. And then the life Drake SLOs that
came driven out of the basis of selling Smithfield. That
cost to the company was another forty eight million. So
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on the basis that these core debt costs weren't because
of three weren't because of decline and kill or anything else.
They were two separate incidents. And on top of that,
being slightly overweighted with LAMB and being too slow to
move on the China market, which have commented on before,
those three factors have driven the company to be where
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it is. Is a cop I don't think on the
basis of its historical ability to provide killing capacity in
this especially in the South Island, that farmers should give
it all away.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Do you see any positives in this well.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Of DOORMENTA a good company internationally recognized in terms of
especially in the beef sector, so you know there's energies
around the Northern hemisphere, in the Southern hemisphere. But I
think this sort of conception that's been developed in the
terms of the process of the road shays, etcetera. That
this is a joint venture. It is not a joint venture.
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This is a FIHL of sixty five percent of the
co op which will never get back. There's an argument
quite strongly that there will need to be more consolidation
in terms of the meat industry and rationalizational use of plants.
There's nothing in this proposal that deals with that. And
I also say this alliance Seyholder will already lost equity
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of around two hundred million. Why should they then produce
the loss of more equity, which they're going to effectively
do in order to get some rationalization in the met industry.
There will be no rationalization in the met industry because
of this deal.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Just finally, local body elections voter turnout has been abysmore.
What do we do to get more engagement with this
because it seems like a futile exercise.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah. Well, look, one of the problems you have in
terms of the local government election or democracy system is
that the rate payers actually pay for the bill, but
everybody else gets a vote and so on that basis,
unless it's burning your pocket through your rent or some
other aspect than you're not paying raise, you don't have
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that direct link. And so for that reason, I think
the level of interest is on the basis while it
doesn't affect day to day, and so people tend to
buy a bigger majority ignore the whole process. Look, I'd
be surprised if the voters and that this year generally
across New Zealand because of the rape costs. But you're
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going to remember that's not everybody what it will feed
through into individuals rental position in the end of the rates.
The reality is there is not the connection between the rape,
the non rate power and those who are standing for election.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I think voter fatigue just comes into the equation as well, because,
let's face facts, if you're not into politics, not into politics.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, and I think unless something materially happens within the
community that upsets people need building a building or removing services,
people tend not to get excited around local government elections.
They tend to tunnel on every three years. I think
the only reason we're seeing more debate this time rounds
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because of the continual rate cross rate increases well beyond inflation,
and people certainly think, well, well, how farly we go
before it becomes unaffordable, But that doesn't necessarily think the
young guy doing a mechanics course paying is one hundred
and eighty dollars or two hundred dollars a week as
part of the rent in the plant.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
The sonical side of me says this needs to be
like the vaccinating times of twenty twenty and give somebody
your berg avoucher or something like that to go and
engage with democracy.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Behalfs so.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I don't know, well, I don't know. If there's many
other ways that can encourage you to vote. It seems
to be quite a lot. I think the sooner we
shift to an online voting system, the better that will
attract more younger people because it's just what they used
to do on their phone. I think that the days
of postal voting are gone, and you, you know, without
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you have to make a bit of an effort to
find somewhere to drop your envelope off. Better ability she
physically vote should go and I think we should shift online.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Good only Jeff Grant always appreciate your time on the muster.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Jeers, thanks Andy.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
What this is?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
The muster on Hakano Tory Tremaine of Bannerman, Crooksheng Pride,
the lawyers joins us next Tory Good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I'm very good, Thank you, Andy, are you well?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
A little bit of big yellow will be appreciated.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But the forecast give the glass half full approach is
looking better for the next three or four days.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yes, it'll be good to see you. The sun out
of game, it gets vitamin certainly, that's a difference to
everybody when you can get out on tory.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We're talking today about a topic we've talked about previously
that nonetheless it is so relevant and hopefully a lot
of groups aren't going to get caught out around this.
It's around changes to incorp raated societies.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I watched The Castle on TV, one of the best
movies ever made in my opinion, and Dennis Denuto the lawyers, said,
it's the vibe as the constitution, it's the law.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But there's so much more that needs to.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Go into this regarding incorporated societies and what you need
to realize.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yes, that's right in certainly is the castle has been
closed many times in history. But in terms of constitutions
for incorporated societies, as you've alluded to, there has been
some real changes or some legislation changes around that, and
essentially there's a whole new piece of legislation that now
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covers incorporated societies and what they have to do. And
one of the new parts of that that has been
brought in is all incorporated societies need to reregister on
the incorporated societies registered before the sister Bapril twenty twenty six,
and is you'll know that date will roll around fairly
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quickly because we're already heading towards mid October, so that
doesn't give us much time when we look at the
Christmas dates from there in holiday times. So yeah, the
I guess major change there is that people need to
look at the constitutions that any societies that they are
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part of, which can be sports clubs, any sort of
legal entity really that owns propertied like in terms of it,
that has a membership probably has a constitution and that
needs to be reviewed. And one times out of ten
or nineteen nine percent of the case will need to
be updated because there are some rules that have come
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in that new constitutions need to include and historically constitutions
that already won't cover those rules.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So why are these changes occurring.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
The changes have occurred because the historical incorporated societies at
was created back in nineteen eight, so that's quite some
time ago now, and the rules need to change really
in terms of how incorporated societies operate. There are a
lot more sophisticated incorporated societies out there now who are
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in business, own significant assets, and people who are in
charge of those incorporated societies need to I guess the
government has identified that those people need to be not
how to count essentially, but subject to some more duties
and some more clear rules around how those as sets
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are managed on behalf of the members of their society.
So just really some more accountability and to bring the
old laws up to date with I guess new more
modern practices that people engage in these days.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Straight off the caf sport organizations are the ones who
are most likely to be caught out around this as
a message in getting out there that they didn't need
to go through and go over their constitution.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
But I do think it's a little bit head and
this because we have had a fair number of organizations
come to us asking for us to review update help
them out with the process, and obviously the message has
got through to those groups. But then there are other
groups that you speak to and they just haven't got
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much of an idea about what they need to do,
when they need to do it by, or how they
would even go about it. It sort of a don't know
where to start, so I'm not going to start situation.
But unfortunately, when the system April rolls around next year,
if you haven't really registered under the new Act with
a new or updated constitution in corporates, a society won't
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exist as a legal entity anymore. So it's there will
be a process I guess, after the fact to be
able to resolve that issue. But obviously that's not ideal
because it's probably going to add some time pressure and
probably more cost to things and more stress to your
committee at that time. So yeah, I think the majority
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of groups and organizations have understood that, but there are
the odd odd ones that don't necessarily know or they
don't know where to start. So that's the issue I
guess to get that we want to bridge.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, that was my next question Tory, just how complicated
is it to go over the constitution.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It's not necessarily that complicated. I think there's a lot
of information out there online that you can find, and
I do think that that possibly does people feel like
it's a complicated process. We have had. Yeah, as I've
said already in this chat, some groups that have already
come across a desk with updating their constitutions, and sometimes
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it's just a matter of flotting a few extra clauses
into an already existing constitution because it's already pretty good
and modern and in line with what the new laws say.
On the other hands, there are some other societies out
there that have had the same constitution, maybe with a
couple of amendments over the years, that could be a
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good forty fifty years old. Those are the ones that
are probably taking where they are taking a bit more
effort to I guess they're a bit of a rewrite
and an update, because there are some modern practices that
need to be pulled in there as well, just to
make it more consistent with what's actually happening.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
On the ground when people.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Are having their meetings and making decisions on behalf of
their members. So it's not too complicated, but there are
some new I guess terms that people need to become
familiar with that the new law has sort of traduc
and that's probably there's some information around conflicts of interests
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and officers and committee members and a little bit of
new terminology in there, which people probably do need to
get their heads around, because the law refers to all
of that now, and therefore constitutions are more likely than
not going to refer to that new terminology.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
As well, because worst case scenario, a liquid data comes
into play if it hasn't been resolved, and as well
actually being dissolved as an organization as well. So there
are ramifications, yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
A classic example would be a a society doesn't reregister
by the vehicle next year, but owns a piece of
land somewhere that the acountism investment or for whatever purpose
that aligns with the objects of their society. There'll essentially
been no legal owner of fat land anymore. And it's
a bit of a process to the society registered on
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this so that that piece of length to be dealt
with in the way that it needs to without it
essentially becoming part of I guess unclaimed property that ends
up ultimately back with the government. So when you're part
of a society of one of your main duties really
is to be, you know, managing the assets on behalf
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of the members to the benefit of the society. So
if you don't go through the process of updoating your
procution and reregistering you you're not really meeting your obligations.
Has been one of the officers to use the new
terminology of that society, so there can be there will
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be sim implications if the societies don't take the steps
they need to soon rather than later to reregister.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So Tori, if somebody needs to get in touch with
Benamin Crukshinc Benamin Crukshing Pride talk about incorporated societies, how
do they get in touch you?
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Sure they think of myself for Paul Offer some years three,
two O nine, O one and three.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Good on your tory, you always got to catch up.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Great think dand.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Through this I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Gonna welcome back to the muster On Hakauie. Jacob Duffy,
black Caps bowler. Of course, his origins were from Lumsden
and Northern South and we spoke to him a wee
while ago now and he's just about to go over
to the UK and to do a Stinton County cracket.
But since then I think it's fear, as say, has
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been quite a bit going on in his cricketing landscape.
Jacob joins us this afternoon to give us a bit
of a rundown about at all.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Jacob, welcome to the muster once again.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I don't know where me.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, last time we.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Spoke to you it was on the eve of departing
over of going over to the UK to be part
of the County Championship for Worcestershire.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think I've pronounced that correctly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
When it's Worcester, Worcestershire, Worcestershire, it's one of the other,
isn't it.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Yeah, it was a cool trip obviously, signed up for
Wisters to do sort of a a three month stant
playing a mixture of four day cricket and twenty twenty cricket.
Quite a long stant to be honest. Three months of
like full on. You know, their schedule there's crazy, so
she's sort of playing four or five days out a week,
so that was pretty full on. And then they're from
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there where Lucky we went to Zimbabwe on the black
Caps tour and we had a successful twenty twenty series
and then followed by obviously a Test day boo as well,
which is cool, and then we've got a very very
last minute cold to go join up in one hundred
as an injury replacements. So back to the UK we went,
and then yeah, come September, I managed to miss all
the winter and get home for a sunny spring.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah yeah, and Verda commas on that one, mate.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
But like we talk about going over and we you know,
last time we spoke about county cricket. Arguably it could
be considered a grind playing cricket five days a week.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
How did you find it?
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, Grind's a good way to put it. But yeah, schedule,
this is a hot topic over there. They play fourteen
first pass games, which is a lot. Says fourteen four hours.
We play eight over here. So they are playing you know,
sort of Monday to Thursday every week, with you know
a lot of bus travel and things like that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Luckily, Wooster was quite.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
A bowling friendly sort of place, so we exceed some
shortened games in terms of like you know, we're sort
of three D fixes sometimes just because yes that I
couldn't survived in the four days. But it was a grind, mate,
But it was awesome, awesome experience. It's something I've always
sort of looked at from a distance and watched. So
to get over there and see what it's like from
the south and you put myself through the grind. Was
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a you know, it was a good challenge and.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You compare it to what we see over here in
New Zealand with the planket shield and the likes. From
your perspective, what's the biggest difference apart from playing time.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yeah, it's a lot of people ask you that it's
what's the quality light? Is it better as it worse?
It's so hard to say because conditions are so different.
So well, for one, they use a different ball. They
use a juke ball, which helps the ballers moth so
it does more, it swings more. But their pictures are
so slow and bract to be honestly now, they're like
low slow. They suit sort of medium pace less slow
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bowling guys who are just running and there's a skill
and ye know they're deadly accurate at what they do.
But regard let me, I come over with a little
bit extra pace. That sort of worked against you over there.
You know, guys could use that pace as the slow bottlers,
they couldn't really hit the ball through the line. So
it was a challenge in itself. It was a good
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challenge for me because Obviously we've got a test series
over there next year, so it's sort of good prep
for that. But yeah, it's just very very different. So yeah,
it's almost hard to explain any.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now you bring up an underesting situation. They're regarding the ball.
The juke ball very much notorious over in the UK.
The kuokobarre ball generally used around the rest of the world,
is a very big a difference between the use of crackerball.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
It is it is. Yeah, the juke ball sort of
laugh before eighty overs. You can still have a swinging
ball come the saving us over, whereas the croco baro
ball sort of dies maybe at best after thirty forty overs.
So it depends on where you look at it. I guess,
you know, guys have to be a bit more creative
in terms of how you're getting guys out. That's why
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we see a lot of bounce of plans over here
and guys like nowagging have made that popular.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But they trial the coco bar of this.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
They play four of their fourteen rounds with corocobarra balls
and you just see the scores skyrocket. You know that
you're getting silly games like one thing gets six hundred
the next team gets seven hundred and they shake hands.
So yeah, there is a bit of a difference.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Sure what the right answer is. I think the Krokobar
works well in New Zealand and the Duke war works
well in England, so maybe it is that's just how
it should be.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Now, tes Stavo occurred a couple of months back, now
Jacob in Zimbabwe, just explain what they meant to you
and actually have the silver frown eye and the longer
form format of the game.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Yeah, it was, yeah, very special. You know, I'm not
I'm not a spring chicken need more. I turned thirty
one just around that time, so and there's been a
lot of times where I thought that sort of test
taby might never come. So I guess to finally get
that ID and finally get that to get the Baggy
Black Cat was it was very special. Yeah, I guess
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at times like that you sort of reflect on, you know,
how you got there, all the people that took to
get you there, and yeah, that's certainly what the hell
of a lot of people that that were that did
get me there, especially you know form the southern folks,
my family, all the coaches growing up and then obviously
supportive life now. So it was a very cool reflecting
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time over as a barbe. The shame wasn't in New Zealand.
I could have done it in front of my New
Zealand you know, friends or family. But yes, that's one
thing you'll never have to take off me as my
black cat.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Being in camp with the Test team.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Is there any different to say the short form format
when you're all together or it's pretty much the same
as just a different format.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
That's good question. Nah, very much the same. Everyone's pretty
relaxed in both sort of camps. There's a lot of
crossover in terms of players and stuff. But yeah, no,
I wouldn't say it's a huge difference. I have been
in and around the Test team a lot in the
last four years. I just haven't played much, to be honest,
so I've sat there and carried a lot of drinks.
But still some of my best cricketing memories have come
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in the Test arena, you know, like I was there
for the build up of the World Test Championship final.
I was there in India for the three Nils serious
sweep ahead of them over there, and some of those
are some of the best touring times in my life.
So it is a very very cool and like you said,
it's very rewarding when you do you do poor cool
things off And yes they're still wasn't very specially part
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of that group.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But at the same time, playing at the Mount over
the weekend, bowling to Mitchell Marsh, you still must pinch
yourself to see us in those situations, right.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
Yeah, yeah, you do. You know, growing up you watch
the Chapel Headley and his elm versus Ossie was always
the big ones. There's the one I got excited for
as a kid, you know, seeing Brendan McCullum sort of
scoop Ramp and Sean take for in the early days
and things like that. You know, that was sort of
the memod one. So yeah, it's came up against the
big brother was pretty cool. We probably didn't put our
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best product out there. But they're playing a team man s,
they're playing a grist of brown and cricket and I
think they've won about twenty five of the our thirty
twenty twenties, so you know they're they're they're the informed
team going into a sort of a World Cup year
next year. So awesome prep for the start of summer.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Certainly from a pan from a fans perspective, Jacob playing
Australia straight away it gives you anxiety and sends you
to a shriek because you know how it's been over
the years.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But when you're on there arena yourself as such, what
do you do do?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
You just have to get mind over matter and just
focus on what you're doing. Given it is a much
daunted Bedding Pro's betting team you're facing.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
There is a little bit of that to us. Mate.
They're all massive, big blokes. They're a lot bigger than
that we have, like physically, the brand of cricket they're
playing right now. Obviously they've just bought into this, not
given a crack by locks of it. You know, they
go out and they're swing hard and and it's it's yeah,
it looks we're freeing when to play the cricket. So
there is a little bit that I think we come
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out in that first game and particuarly there's a bowling
in it. We sort of yeah, we're a little bit
on the back foot there. I thought the way we
come out there that last game almost defended sort of
a lowest total apart from a good Mitch Mass century.
I thought we yeah, we're better off for that first one.
That for us head out and yeah shame the run
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out in the middle, because I would have loved to
know the got them.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Just finally, England's next on the shed. You're not too
far away. What do you do in between and between
the weeks before preparation himself as such?
Speaker 7 (36:58):
Yep, so it's just the mirror geara continues. You know
they're here next week, so I've got the week spinning.
I must attig of oots this week, just.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Training and.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Begging along with your pre preseason stuff. So taking over
the bowling and sort of using it as a bit
of a catch up on sort of my strength and
consisting to and my lifting and my running. So gott
he'd be training week and then we got to cross
each on the Monday. So yeah that's the plain.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Hey, good on you're Jacob. Thanks very much for your
time on the muster. We're enjoying watching your work down
here in the Deep South and we'll continue to do so.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Always appreciate your time. We'll catch up again.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
Hellos mate blady guys, thanks having.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Me build that rain on your, no one else and
feeling for you can stay on you.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Catherine Wright joins us this afternoon on the muster. Of course,
she's a counselor based in the Fieldland Basin as well
as doing a thesis regarding real meant health.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Catherine, welcome once again.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We catch you this afternoon, just on your way back
from Auckland. We have been speaking. Firstly, we've got blue sky,
it's warmer, it's windy in the south, but it certainly
is a change to the mood.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Absolutely, thanks Andy. Yeah, and I checked the weather forecast
is today and actually very interestingly the weather forecast is
warmer down south and it is for here at Auckland.
So looking forward to coming home.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It'll be the first time in about five years because
it's been bloody cold down here.
Speaker 8 (38:30):
Absolutely, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So it is Mental Health Awareness Week, Catherine, from your lens,
what's something you need to focus on when you're getting
into October on a farming on a farming instance.
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Okay, a few things. So I'm actually up here. I've
been at a conference speaking about rural mental health too,
mental health professionals and the theme that's kind of come
through and also happens to be the theme of mental
health awareness this week is actually connection in community. We
talk out individual mental health interventions, which are great too,
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but then if you can just take a step back
and look at a community, and look at your rural
community and think about how could you either make that
better or how could you get involved. So community interventions
are things like stepping for farrements. It's like your rugby team,
it's like your pay group. It's any kind of group
that happens in a rural community that you can get involved.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And with the.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Longer days, now is the time to get out and
try to test something out, test a different group. Don't
write it off if it's not something that you think
that you wouldn't be interested in straightaway. I also want
to acknowledge that everybody's coming to the end of four
or five months of feeding out and that there is stress,
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and there probably has been loneliness and isolation. I would
urge you to not let that stop you from getting
out and connecting because we need it as it's a visceral.
It's like hunger or first. If we feel lonely, we
need to reach out to people.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's the way that we made would you say the
overall state of mental health is improving.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
It's a really good question. I think that a lot
of mental health issues are becoming more visible. So awareness
is growing, which is great. But with awareness comes a
real or perceived view that it is becoming more common.
I'm not so sure that it is. I just think
that it was hidden a little better. We didn't have
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the internet to or social media to see these problems
all the time. People are feeling safer to be able
to speak out and say so. Therefore it's becoming more visible.
I'm not sure that it is increasing. In fact, I've
seen some statistics in certain mental health challenges that are
actually getting.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Better because there used to be a real stigma around
not feeling okay in a mental capacity.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yes, and I do believe that there still is that stigma.
In my research, it's one of the clear barriers to
help seeking. Unfortunately, it's the hardest one to address. What
I have found in my work and in my research
is that these stories of help seeking, of normalizing mental
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health help seeking behavior, they must come from peer to peer.
They must be positive stories told on the ground in
rural communities that go from people to people. It cannot
be people speaking down to rural people telling them what's
what they need to do and what needs to happen.
It needs to come peerce a peer, And often when
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people get to a place of finally opening up talking
to their mate, talking to someone they work with, quite
often the reception is something like I've been there.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Too, So, like you talked about before, we're coming towards
the end of the winter slash landing, carving, grind. What's
your message to people regarding getting off remembering that there's
always work to do.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
There is always work to do, and I don't think
that it will ever end. It's a little bit like
sleeping the path before it's stopped snowing, or we will
see that meme of the guy trying to push the
ocean back into the ocean with the broom. But to
be sustainable as an ongoing occupation for you, even if
you feel stressed, even if you feel like you've got
(42:24):
no energy, The way that you will regain energy and
gain some feeling of autonomy over your own life is
to actually make that first step. Take take it along
with you, Take your stress with you, take your exhaustion,
your fear of perhaps seeing other people. You can do
these things even when you feel that way.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
You went from tier Now all the way up to Auckland. Now,
Auckland's a big city, especially in the context of a
country like New Zealand. Do you just notice that when
you're walking down the street about just attitudes on people
being different, especially in a mental sense that makes sense.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
It's really funny that you should say their end because
I had this is that conversation with a group of
people yesterday. There's something about the way that we are
as roal people that's difficult to put your finger on,
that is automatically visible if you see another roal person.
And that's exactly what happened to me yesterday. I don't
know if it's the body language or the way that
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they interact. Maybe it's our personal space. We all know,
and it's true we do have a bigger personal space circle.
I certainly find here that people don't kind of look
at you. There's a lot of people. Everybody's busy going
about their lives. It's like everybody's in an insular bubble.
Just I'm actually watching from the sixteenth floor right now.
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I'm stand on to the footpath and I can see
it right now, Nobody looks at each other, no one interacts.
It's quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
So nobody's wearing a ned ticks of moleskins or our rems.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
I saw one yesterday and that's how I knew he
was a shaman. B sha.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Well, that's the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
And the thing about being rural with a lot of people,
if you're any more relaxed, you'd fall over right.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
Oh, absolutely, And I think it's really easy to forget
these phenomenal parties that we have as for real people.
Yes there are issues, Yes we have problems. Yes there
are things that are difficult to solve, But actually, what
if it's our humanity and our sense of connection that
sets us apart from the rest of the population. That
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is something that we can truly be grateful for and
just be in that. If that makes sense, I love it.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
In little thought and you said you have to get undry.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Catherine right talking about Mental Health Awareness Week. To wrap
up the best of the muster, I'm Andy Myer remembering
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and welcome along.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
To the best of the muster a collaboration of interviews
and took our attention during a hectic week here at
Hocknuy headquarters.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
My name's Andy Muer. Thanks to your company.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We're starting off by heading up to northern Southland just
out of balfer Bleire. Blocker Drysdale comments on the weather
and how there's a lot of aerie similarities of this
time twelve months ago when it was part of the
big wet spring as we all know about. Block of
Towers tells us how the last six weeks has been
on his operation and how frustrating it has been just
trying to hit the work done. Jeff Grant, Northern South
(00:40):
of ad business owner, talks about the alliance proposal with
Dawn meets. The road shows have been and gone down
here in the South there continuing for the next week
or so when you, I do believe, but Jeff, thanks
is more of this we need to think about before
making a decision. Tory Tremaine from Betamin Crookshank Pride. The
lawyers talked incorporated societies and things you need to know
(01:01):
if you're involved from the corporated society that could bite
you in the bum if not addressed before. I think
it's about April next year. Jacob Duffy, black Caps bowler.
We had Jacob on the show on Wednesday talking about
a pretty full on six months he's had being a
Black Caps cricketer, playing Test cracket, short form format cracket
and playing in the hundred as well over in the UK.
(01:23):
So always good to catch up with Jacob and Catherine
Wright talking about Mental Health Awareness Week. We caught up
with her during the week while she is just about
not far from getting on the plane to come back
from down south while being up in Auckland and just
tells us about why you need to take time out
for yourself and actually consider your top three inches as
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being the prerogat as being what you need to think about.
So without further ado, we'll start the yell with Blair
Block of Drysdale.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You're listening to the best of the muster.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Blair Drysdale Farms just out of Belfer and mixed farming
operation there and he joins us in the Sergeant Dan
Farming ground up thanks to Sergeant Dan Stock foods here
in the main.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Street of gorge just off it blocker.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Good afternoon, Good afternoon, and you well, just a little
bit cold.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
But not too bad.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
It hasn't rained so far today, but look, it's just
been an interesting spring after what we had last year.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And you just jinxed today it'll rain and lot's forecast
to rain, so you let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
The yeah, well we've got to have that concrete.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Just getting just a little bit more moisture on top
of it though, just to keep that feeling going right.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Oh and you've got to laugh for at you cry.
I mean I said just so many times that you'd
never get to springs and the road like the last one,
and admittedly where nowhere near is were that's for sure,
but it's probably colder and we've had less sunshine and
just talking off there, we're talking and you said about
masmen having four hundred millimeters timber. They've got my sympathy
because that is a ship ton of rain and that
(03:04):
is not great. I guess it hangs around for a
while term and we're waiting for water logging to disappear
on had it still and have done next to no
egg work, you know. I slipped to his home for
the school holidays and hoping to get a heap of
airs and the tractor and earned some money. And you
know he could be on one while I was on
the other. We did nothing. So yeah, very I think
frustrating is probably the key word for most people. It
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said Jodie going down the lane yesterday. Lambs are they're
looking a little bit white and washed out. You know,
they haven't had a lot of stun and year grasses
long disappeared. Lot the here dairy heifer is here there.
We're only just keeping enough grass in front of them
and supplementing them as well. So yeah, it really is
a somewhat of a repeat last year. So hopefully October
(03:47):
pools it's bloody head and smartly, or else there's going
to be some very pissed off people.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Did you have a frost this morning?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
He had a frost this morning, And we had a
we had a good one one day last week? Was
it a company?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
What day?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
We had a rub of frost and then it snowed
on top of it, the snow freezing? Was that Wednesday?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yet?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
She was an interesting morning. But look outside there today
it's just it's like a July day. We had frost
with fog. The fog bugged off pretty quick and the
sun poked out and then it came in overcast, and
it's it's probably only two degrees out there at the moment,
maybe three, I don't know. It's not everybody warm, is
that first thing? Smaning load and grain. And I don't
often get cold feet, but here my feet were cold
by the time I got them back inside for a
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coffee at eight o'clock. So yeah, it's just it's just cold.
So all teams are cold. Nothing's really moving that fast,
grass crops, absolutely nothing. So yeah, there's a long road
ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yet I reckon you might have jinked it yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Actually there, did you talk about wearing shirts all year round?
Speaker 1 (04:43):
You're one of those crew? How do you put trousers on?
Maybe it'll warm up.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
I had a day last week I had to because
I wouldn't go outside the bike. Actually might have been
that snowy morning as I'd bugger this, this is ridiculous.
So I actually flipped the pants on that morning for
first hour if though out around the bike. But other
than that yet, they don't feel it too much, to
be fair, And it's just something I've gotten used to
and I don't like wearing pants very much at all.
(05:08):
I do with in public just to a sort of
lives that when I'm out clary, I do wear pants.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, okay, say they more, But we just look at
the situation we're faced with. So groundworks pretty much your
main thing you're trying to get on with at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
It would really like to get Asambraska's in the ground,
you know, shortly, but I'm not going to put them
in and they still teams, so you know, that's a
solid ten anyway. They can stay in the back door
then and then yeah, peas want peas and you know
peas and spring balley in before labor again would be
really nice, but there's have have a lot of work
to do before then. Now, So yeah, there's a we
(05:46):
it gone on. Still we're pretty you know, I found
enough windows of spraying and fur I'm up to date
on that front. There's still one pet of the spray
out for peas. It's just finding, you know, like I
hopen to do it later this morning, but the grass
is still covered in do it's overcast and here I
think it's actually meant to blow before it rains. So yeah,
there's just not a lot of windows to spraying and
even doing for it. It's been hard fighting norwise. So
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one day last week where I just had to give
up for about six hours, it was that there was
one about eighty ks got up too, so had to
give up in that. So it has been challenging, It's
no doubt about that. But I guess that's why directors
have lights. We just do moras and find windows when
we camps.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
But here's a good news story the environment south on
the Wards happened again Friday evening passed. You were down
there the bullies at Longers. They're doing some pretty cool
stuff on farm there. They're own Country Calendar a few
years ago and they were featured.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, and you know, I'm part of the Balfa caption group.
Both christ and Andrew and they've always been leaders farming
in that environmental aspect of a beautiful farm. They put
a lot of time, energy, resources and expense into it
and making improvements without necessarily being prior to they just
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did it accord. So yeah, we're down there with them
on Friday night. So heah, congrats to Andrew and Crest.
They took out the environmental Leadership and Farming Award, which
is really cool. So yeah, that all the family was there,
which is really nice. Though it's a really good evening.
I think what really took the cake at the end
of night was the eleven year old boy from town
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now who took out the Councilor's award for what he
does around place, that recycling. So it's quite inspiring when
you get kids that age, you know, starting to do
their bit for the community. So that's really good. It's actually,
you know, if anyone's king, it's a really good evening
to go to good networking evening as well, and that's
quite inspiring what some people do.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
And you don't.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Christ nailed it when he was up there talking. You know,
you don't have to do a lot, you just do
lots of little things in bite sized chunks and it
adds up over time. So I think that's a really
important message that you don't have to go spend the
kens of thousands of dollars in one hat and that's
what worked on the little bitte chunks and just slowly
work away at it and chip away at it over time.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's the saying I once heard about eating an elephant
it's not in one big, smaller sports setting, but just
over time taking little bites to add to the collective goods.
So that's pretty much been Christmas.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Approach definitely, and I think it's the majority of people's approach,
and it's a it's a good approach too because you
also don't want to rush into big projects perhaps isn't
the best money spent either, so you know there's plenty
of expertise out there that you can tap into around
you know, building a wetland, seven ponds, et cetera, et cetera,
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and also grants they can get so you don't have
to do all these things alone either. So it's important
to people go out and investigate the help they can get.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sporting highlight for the weekend. What was it for you?
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Broncos getting up? That was good to see. I've got
that bloody tired. I couldn't watch all the second half
and went to bed and thought it was a bit
of a foregone conclusion in the Melbourne way. Anyway, wake
up for us this morning and clicked on the news
and Damn had one, so I was pretty stoked. But
he had a busy weekend. Sport was one night there was,
like I said, to your head, Cricket on one screen,
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Formula one on another, and the rugby on another. So
it's a bit heat if I don't really watch Formula one.
But Craig and Jeanette Collins over there with the daughter
Honor for the Formula one and we have a laser
Kiwi flag and a and our duck shooting heart where
we stay and he's strokes a look can I take
laser Kiwi flag to try and get it on the telly?
So that's why I've been watching a wee bit of that.
But I haven't seen the laser Kiwi flag yet. But anyway,
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but yeah, great weekend sport. Good to see the AB's
get up as well. I was somewhat dubious with her
would or not anyway, it was all pretty good. It's
just the Stags, which I forgot to watch because I
thought it was on Saturday not Friday.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
You didn't miss out on the thing, trust me.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
You didn't miss out on much.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Look Reese Welsh last night.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
If you haven't seen these highlights, go and watch the sky.
He's just the most He's the biggest thing going in
rugby league at the moment. More so than Nathan Cleary,
which is saying something. Every time he's near the ball,
something happens and regrets other So what you think of
the Giry all the Broncos is an organization. You have
to respect that they won that competition of the way
that they have, but they're one of in such a
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manner that they're wanting people. If they're watching them, it's
a case of what are they going to do next?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah, and lot Recee Welsh. He's young, he's only twenty three.
He is far from the biggest man on the field
that by how he is strong both physically and mentally,
and he's pretty good at reading a game and knowing
where he needs to be what he approved last night,
So he's got a massive future ahead of him. Yet
that man, So for shame we didn't get up in
the cricket black capsuse it's October.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Who's watching cricket at the start of October haven't even
started the club yet?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, I mean we watched Super Rugby in February, so
the arguments the same.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, but the weather is a bit more conducing for
rugby than what it is for cricket in New Zealand
at this time of year.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
There's a fair argument against that too, but yeah, there's
a massive difits least from the ground, that's for sure
the other night. But it's a shame it had rained
prior to that match. Yeah, I think it would have
been slightly different had it not rained. But anyway, that's
job done and Ozzie had to sweep this Eres.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, absolutely good on your block. I always appreciate your time.
And please, for the love of God, put some pents on.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All right, we'll do.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Cheers, Andy, Welcome.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Back to the muster, Jeff Grant. These days Northern Southland
business owner joins us in our political roundup for a
Monday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Jeff, how are you good?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Thanks? Andy?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
How are you pretty good?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
We just need a bit of big yellow in the
sky just to get that grass ticking over.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I'd say yes without any doubt. We're starting to find
the spring being a bit tight and tough, and look
for most of it's around just the continual grizzly rain
and then getting another twenty five mills and weekend just
sort of it makes it hard to keep solf happy.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
This alliance proposal with Dawn meets the Waikaia fives come
on board in the last couple of weeks with a counterproposal.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
What's going to happen through all of us?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
This is interesting because the more people I speak to,
it's a case of as a resignation of if we
don't say yes, well we don't really want to think
about what happens after that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, I think, look, obviously it's always going to be
difficult for somebody to put up a counterproposal. As I understand,
in terms for the group, they have not been able
to get the information memorandum, which others obviously had as
part of the process. The reality is that they seem
to be reasonably confident around credible options in terms of
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future funding. I think the difficulty is that the price
and the deal looks really good eighteen months ago, but
since then, you know, things have turned around significantly. Appears
at Alliance have turned around an eighty million dollar position
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for the year in a season that hasn't had a
peak flow where you know you've had the volume coming in.
So the ship from some million loss to a twenty
million profit is a really good turn around. But look,
in this steal, effectively you're giving away fishly sixty five
percent of all future profits. Secondly, you're giving away one
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hundred and ninety one sixty five percent of one hundred
and ninety one million tax loss. That's what the shareholders
have had to wear over the last two years, that
sixty five percent of the benefit of that. Now it
would go on this steal. I think that if you
look at the multiple in terms of sale price, to
give you an example, Blue Sky, I think last time
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was around six percent six times the multiple Silver Fair
and Farms in the Johinese deal was about six six
times multiple. This is only four So what you're doing
is selling a business that eighteen months ago looked pretty
shaky on the price of the basis of eighteen months ago.
But the reality is, I think that the business has
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turned around significantly, has the capacity with support of shareholders
to rescue the company infirsually. I don't think the shareholders
of Line should be responsible for the whole of the
meat industry in terms of any consolidation or we had
the cost of that. I think, you know, you've got
to remember as part of that debt they've created over
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the last few years, that debt has predominantly been driven
by a couple of activities. One is an IT system
that costs a lot more than was initially intended, around
eighty million dollars. And then the life Drake SLOs that
came driven out of the basis of selling Smithfield. That
cost to the company was another forty eight million. So
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on the basis that these core debt costs weren't because
of three weren't because of decline and kill or anything else.
They were two separate incidents. And on top of that,
being slightly overweighted with LAMB and being too slow to
move on the China market, which have commented on before,
those three factors have driven the company to be where
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it is. Is a cop I don't think on the
basis of its historical ability to provide killing capacity in
this especially in the South Island, that farmers should give
it all away.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Do you see any positives in this well.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Of DOORMENTA a good company internationally recognized in terms of
especially in the beef sector, so you know there's energies
around the Northern hemisphere, in the Southern hemisphere. But I
think this sort of conception that's been developed in the
terms of the process of the road shays, etcetera. That
this is a joint venture. It is not a joint venture.
(15:42):
This is a FIHL of sixty five percent of the
co op which will never get back. There's an argument
quite strongly that there will need to be more consolidation
in terms of the meat industry and rationalizational use of plants.
There's nothing in this proposal that deals with that. And
I also say this alliance Seyholder will already lost equity
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of around two hundred million. Why should they then produce
the loss of more equity, which they're going to effectively
do in order to get some rationalization in the met industry.
There will be no rationalization in the met industry because
of this deal.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Just finally, local body elections voter turnout has been abysmore.
What do we do to get more engagement with this
because it seems like a futile exercise.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Yeah. Well, look, one of the problems you have in
terms of the local government election or democracy system is
that the rate payers actually pay for the bill, but
everybody else gets a vote and so on that basis,
unless it's burning your pocket through your rent or some
other aspect than you're not paying raise, you don't have
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that direct link. And so for that reason, I think
the level of interest is on the basis while it
doesn't affect day to day, and so people tend to
buy a bigger majority ignore the whole process. Look, I'd
be surprised if the voters and that this year generally
across New Zealand because of the rape costs. But you're
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going to remember that's not everybody what it will feed
through into individuals rental position in the end of the rates.
The reality is there is not the connection between the rape,
the non rate power and those who are standing for election.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I think voter fatigue just comes into the equation as well, because,
let's face facts, if you're not into politics, not into politics.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yeah, and I think unless something materially happens within the
community that upsets people need building a building or removing services,
people tend not to get excited around local government elections.
They tend to tunnel on every three years. I think
the only reason we're seeing more debate this time rounds
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because of the continual rate cross rate increases well beyond inflation,
and people certainly think, well, well, how farly we go
before it becomes unaffordable, But that doesn't necessarily think the
young guy doing a mechanics course paying is one hundred
and eighty dollars or two hundred dollars a week as
part of the rent in the plant.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
The sonical side of me says this needs to be
like the vaccinating times of twenty twenty and give somebody
your berg avoucher or something like that to go and
engage with democracy.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Behalfs so.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
I don't know, well, I don't know. If there's many
other ways that can encourage you to vote. It seems
to be quite a lot. I think the sooner we
shift to an online voting system, the better that will
attract more younger people because it's just what they used
to do on their phone. I think that the days
of postal voting are gone, and you, you know, without
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you have to make a bit of an effort to
find somewhere to drop your envelope off. Better ability she
physically vote should go and I think we should shift online.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Good only Jeff Grant always appreciate your time on the muster.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Jeers, thanks Andy.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
What this is?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
The muster on Hakano Tory Tremaine of Bannerman, Crooksheng Pride,
the lawyers joins us next Tory Good afternoon.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
How are you.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I'm very good, Thank you, Andy, are you well?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
A little bit of big yellow will be appreciated.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
But the forecast give the glass half full approach is
looking better for the next three or four days.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
Yes, it'll be good to see you. The sun out
of game, it gets vitamin certainly, that's a difference to
everybody when you can get out on tory.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
We're talking today about a topic we've talked about previously
that nonetheless it is so relevant and hopefully a lot
of groups aren't going to get caught out around this.
It's around changes to incorp raated societies.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Now.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I watched The Castle on TV, one of the best
movies ever made in my opinion, and Dennis Denuto the lawyers, said,
it's the vibe as the constitution, it's the law.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
But there's so much more that needs to.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Go into this regarding incorporated societies and what you need
to realize.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Yes, that's right in certainly is the castle has been
closed many times in history. But in terms of constitutions
for incorporated societies, as you've alluded to, there has been
some real changes or some legislation changes around that, and
essentially there's a whole new piece of legislation that now
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covers incorporated societies and what they have to do. And
one of the new parts of that that has been
brought in is all incorporated societies need to reregister on
the incorporated societies registered before the sister Bapril twenty twenty six,
and is you'll know that date will roll around fairly
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quickly because we're already heading towards mid October, so that
doesn't give us much time when we look at the
Christmas dates from there in holiday times. So yeah, the
I guess major change there is that people need to
look at the constitutions that any societies that they are
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part of, which can be sports clubs, any sort of
legal entity really that owns propertied like in terms of it,
that has a membership probably has a constitution and that
needs to be reviewed. And one times out of ten
or nineteen nine percent of the case will need to
be updated because there are some rules that have come
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in that new constitutions need to include and historically constitutions
that already won't cover those rules.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
So why are these changes occurring.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
The changes have occurred because the historical incorporated societies at
was created back in nineteen eight, so that's quite some
time ago now, and the rules need to change really
in terms of how incorporated societies operate. There are a
lot more sophisticated incorporated societies out there now who are
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in business, own significant assets, and people who are in
charge of those incorporated societies need to I guess the
government has identified that those people need to be not
how to count essentially, but subject to some more duties
and some more clear rules around how those as sets
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are managed on behalf of the members of their society.
So just really some more accountability and to bring the
old laws up to date with I guess new more
modern practices that people engage in these days.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Straight off the caf sport organizations are the ones who
are most likely to be caught out around this as
a message in getting out there that they didn't need
to go through and go over their constitution.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
But I do think it's a little bit head and
this because we have had a fair number of organizations
come to us asking for us to review update help
them out with the process, and obviously the message has
got through to those groups. But then there are other
groups that you speak to and they just haven't got
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much of an idea about what they need to do,
when they need to do it by, or how they
would even go about it. It sort of a don't know
where to start, so I'm not going to start situation.
But unfortunately, when the system April rolls around next year,
if you haven't really registered under the new Act with
a new or updated constitution in corporates, a society won't
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exist as a legal entity anymore. So it's there will
be a process I guess, after the fact to be
able to resolve that issue. But obviously that's not ideal
because it's probably going to add some time pressure and
probably more cost to things and more stress to your
committee at that time. So yeah, I think the majority
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of groups and organizations have understood that, but there are
the odd odd ones that don't necessarily know or they
don't know where to start. So that's the issue I
guess to get that we want to bridge.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, that was my next question Tory, just how complicated
is it to go over the constitution.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
It's not necessarily that complicated. I think there's a lot
of information out there online that you can find, and
I do think that that possibly does people feel like
it's a complicated process. We have had. Yeah, as I've
said already in this chat, some groups that have already
come across a desk with updating their constitutions, and sometimes
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it's just a matter of flotting a few extra clauses
into an already existing constitution because it's already pretty good
and modern and in line with what the new laws say.
On the other hands, there are some other societies out
there that have had the same constitution, maybe with a
couple of amendments over the years, that could be a
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good forty fifty years old. Those are the ones that
are probably taking where they are taking a bit more
effort to I guess they're a bit of a rewrite
and an update, because there are some modern practices that
need to be pulled in there as well, just to
make it more consistent with what's actually happening.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
On the ground when people.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
Are having their meetings and making decisions on behalf of
their members. So it's not too complicated, but there are
some new I guess terms that people need to become
familiar with that the new law has sort of traduc
and that's probably there's some information around conflicts of interests
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and officers and committee members and a little bit of
new terminology in there, which people probably do need to
get their heads around, because the law refers to all
of that now, and therefore constitutions are more likely than
not going to refer to that new terminology.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
As well, because worst case scenario, a liquid data comes
into play if it hasn't been resolved, and as well
actually being dissolved as an organization as well. So there
are ramifications, yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
A classic example would be a a society doesn't reregister
by the vehicle next year, but owns a piece of
land somewhere that the acountism investment or for whatever purpose
that aligns with the objects of their society. There'll essentially
been no legal owner of fat land anymore. And it's
a bit of a process to the society registered on
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this so that that piece of length to be dealt
with in the way that it needs to without it
essentially becoming part of I guess unclaimed property that ends
up ultimately back with the government. So when you're part
of a society of one of your main duties really
is to be, you know, managing the assets on behalf
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of the members to the benefit of the society. So
if you don't go through the process of updoating your
procution and reregistering you you're not really meeting your obligations.
Has been one of the officers to use the new
terminology of that society, so there can be there will
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be sim implications if the societies don't take the steps
they need to soon rather than later to reregister.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So Tori, if somebody needs to get in touch with
Benamin Crukshinc Benamin Crukshing Pride talk about incorporated societies, how
do they get in touch you?
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Sure they think of myself for Paul Offer some years three,
two O nine, O one and three.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Good on your tory, you always got to catch up.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
Great think dand.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
Through this I'm.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Gonna welcome back to the muster On Hakauie. Jacob Duffy,
black Caps bowler. Of course, his origins were from Lumsden
and Northern South and we spoke to him a wee
while ago now and he's just about to go over
to the UK and to do a Stinton County cracket.
But since then I think it's fear, as say, has
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been quite a bit going on in his cricketing landscape.
Jacob joins us this afternoon to give us a bit
of a rundown about at all.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Jacob, welcome to the muster once again.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
I don't know where me.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Yeah, last time we.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Spoke to you it was on the eve of departing
over of going over to the UK to be part
of the County Championship for Worcestershire.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I think I've pronounced that correctly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
When it's Worcester, Worcestershire, Worcestershire, it's one of the other,
isn't it.
Speaker 7 (29:00):
Yeah, it was a cool trip obviously, signed up for
Wisters to do sort of a a three month stant
playing a mixture of four day cricket and twenty twenty cricket.
Quite a long stant to be honest. Three months of
like full on. You know, their schedule there's crazy, so
she's sort of playing four or five days out a week,
so that was pretty full on. And then they're from
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there where Lucky we went to Zimbabwe on the black
Caps tour and we had a successful twenty twenty series
and then followed by obviously a Test day boo as well,
which is cool, and then we've got a very very
last minute cold to go join up in one hundred
as an injury replacements. So back to the UK we went,
and then yeah, come September, I managed to miss all
the winter and get home for a sunny spring.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah yeah, and Verda commas on that one, mate.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
But like we talk about going over and we you know,
last time we spoke about county cricket. Arguably it could
be considered a grind playing cricket five days a week.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
How did you find it?
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, Grind's a good way to put it. But yeah, schedule,
this is a hot topic over there. They play fourteen
first pass games, which is a lot. Says fourteen four hours.
We play eight over here. So they are playing you know,
sort of Monday to Thursday every week, with you know
a lot of bus travel and things like that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Luckily, Wooster was quite.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
A bowling friendly sort of place, so we exceed some
shortened games in terms of like you know, we're sort
of three D fixes sometimes just because yes that I
couldn't survived in the four days. But it was a grind, mate,
But it was awesome, awesome experience. It's something I've always
sort of looked at from a distance and watched. So
to get over there and see what it's like from
the south and you put myself through the grind. Was
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a you know, it was a good challenge and.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
You compare it to what we see over here in
New Zealand with the planket shield and the likes. From
your perspective, what's the biggest difference apart from playing time.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
Yeah, it's a lot of people ask you that it's
what's the quality light? Is it better as it worse?
It's so hard to say because conditions are so different.
So well, for one, they use a different ball. They
use a juke ball, which helps the ballers moth so
it does more, it swings more. But their pictures are
so slow and bract to be honestly now, they're like
low slow. They suit sort of medium pace less slow
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bowling guys who are just running and there's a skill
and ye know they're deadly accurate at what they do.
But regard let me, I come over with a little
bit extra pace. That sort of worked against you over there.
You know, guys could use that pace as the slow bottlers,
they couldn't really hit the ball through the line. So
it was a challenge in itself. It was a good
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challenge for me because Obviously we've got a test series
over there next year, so it's sort of good prep
for that. But yeah, it's just very very different. So yeah,
it's almost hard to explain any.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Now you bring up an underesting situation. They're regarding the ball.
The juke ball very much notorious over in the UK.
The kuokobarre ball generally used around the rest of the world,
is a very big a difference between the use of crackerball.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
It is it is. Yeah, the juke ball sort of
laugh before eighty overs. You can still have a swinging
ball come the saving us over, whereas the croco baro
ball sort of dies maybe at best after thirty forty overs.
So it depends on where you look at it. I guess,
you know, guys have to be a bit more creative
in terms of how you're getting guys out. That's why
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we see a lot of bounce of plans over here
and guys like nowagging have made that popular.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
But they trial the coco bar of this.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
They play four of their fourteen rounds with corocobarra balls
and you just see the scores skyrocket. You know that
you're getting silly games like one thing gets six hundred
the next team gets seven hundred and they shake hands.
So yeah, there is a bit of a difference.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 7 (32:47):
Sure what the right answer is. I think the Krokobar
works well in New Zealand and the Duke war works
well in England, so maybe it is that's just how
it should be.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Now, tes Stavo occurred a couple of months back, now
Jacob in Zimbabwe, just explain what they meant to you
and actually have the silver frown eye and the longer
form format of the game.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Yeah, it was, yeah, very special. You know, I'm not
I'm not a spring chicken need more. I turned thirty
one just around that time, so and there's been a
lot of times where I thought that sort of test
taby might never come. So I guess to finally get
that ID and finally get that to get the Baggy
Black Cat was it was very special. Yeah, I guess
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at times like that you sort of reflect on, you know,
how you got there, all the people that took to
get you there, and yeah, that's certainly what the hell
of a lot of people that that were that did
get me there, especially you know form the southern folks,
my family, all the coaches growing up and then obviously
supportive life now. So it was a very cool reflecting
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time over as a barbe. The shame wasn't in New Zealand.
I could have done it in front of my New
Zealand you know, friends or family. But yes, that's one
thing you'll never have to take off me as my
black cat.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Being in camp with the Test team.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Is there any different to say the short form format
when you're all together or it's pretty much the same
as just a different format.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
That's good question. Nah, very much the same. Everyone's pretty
relaxed in both sort of camps. There's a lot of
crossover in terms of players and stuff. But yeah, no,
I wouldn't say it's a huge difference. I have been
in and around the Test team a lot in the
last four years. I just haven't played much, to be honest,
so I've sat there and carried a lot of drinks.
But still some of my best cricketing memories have come
(34:30):
in the Test arena, you know, like I was there
for the build up of the World Test Championship final.
I was there in India for the three Nils serious
sweep ahead of them over there, and some of those
are some of the best touring times in my life.
So it is a very very cool and like you said,
it's very rewarding when you do you do poor cool
things off And yes they're still wasn't very specially part
(34:52):
of that group.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But at the same time, playing at the Mount over
the weekend, bowling to Mitchell Marsh, you still must pinch
yourself to see us in those situations, right.
Speaker 7 (35:03):
Yeah, yeah, you do. You know, growing up you watch
the Chapel Headley and his elm versus Ossie was always
the big ones. There's the one I got excited for
as a kid, you know, seeing Brendan McCullum sort of
scoop Ramp and Sean take for in the early days
and things like that. You know, that was sort of
the memod one. So yeah, it's came up against the
big brother was pretty cool. We probably didn't put our
(35:25):
best product out there. But they're playing a team man s,
they're playing a grist of brown and cricket and I
think they've won about twenty five of the our thirty
twenty twenties, so you know they're they're they're the informed
team going into a sort of a World Cup year
next year. So awesome prep for the start of summer.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Certainly from a pan from a fans perspective, Jacob playing
Australia straight away it gives you anxiety and sends you
to a shriek because you know how it's been over
the years.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
But when you're on there arena yourself as such, what
do you do do?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
You just have to get mind over matter and just
focus on what you're doing. Given it is a much
daunted Bedding Pro's betting team you're facing.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
There is a little bit of that to us. Mate.
They're all massive, big blokes. They're a lot bigger than
that we have, like physically, the brand of cricket they're
playing right now. Obviously they've just bought into this, not
given a crack by locks of it. You know, they
go out and they're swing hard and and it's it's yeah,
it looks we're freeing when to play the cricket. So
there is a little bit that I think we come
(36:24):
out in that first game and particuarly there's a bowling
in it. We sort of yeah, we're a little bit
on the back foot there. I thought the way we
come out there that last game almost defended sort of
a lowest total apart from a good Mitch Mass century.
I thought we yeah, we're better off for that first one.
That for us head out and yeah shame the run
(36:45):
out in the middle, because I would have loved to
know the got them.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Just finally, England's next on the shed. You're not too
far away. What do you do in between and between
the weeks before preparation himself as such?
Speaker 7 (36:58):
Yep, so it's just the mirror geara continues. You know
they're here next week, so I've got the week spinning.
I must attig of oots this week, just.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
Training and.
Speaker 7 (37:08):
Begging along with your pre preseason stuff. So taking over
the bowling and sort of using it as a bit
of a catch up on sort of my strength and
consisting to and my lifting and my running. So gott
he'd be training week and then we got to cross
each on the Monday. So yeah that's the plain.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Hey, good on you're Jacob. Thanks very much for your
time on the muster. We're enjoying watching your work down
here in the Deep South and we'll continue to do so.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Always appreciate your time. We'll catch up again.
Speaker 7 (37:34):
Hellos mate blady guys, thanks having.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Me build that rain on your, no one else and
feeling for you can stay on you.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Catherine Wright joins us this afternoon on the muster. Of course,
she's a counselor based in the Fieldland Basin as well
as doing a thesis regarding real meant health.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Catherine, welcome once again.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We catch you this afternoon, just on your way back
from Auckland. We have been speaking. Firstly, we've got blue sky,
it's warmer, it's windy in the south, but it certainly
is a change to the mood.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Absolutely, thanks Andy. Yeah, and I checked the weather forecast
is today and actually very interestingly the weather forecast is
warmer down south and it is for here at Auckland.
So looking forward to coming home.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It'll be the first time in about five years because
it's been bloody cold down here.
Speaker 8 (38:30):
Absolutely, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
So it is Mental Health Awareness Week, Catherine, from your lens,
what's something you need to focus on when you're getting
into October on a farming on a farming instance.
Speaker 8 (38:41):
Okay, a few things. So I'm actually up here. I've
been at a conference speaking about rural mental health too,
mental health professionals and the theme that's kind of come
through and also happens to be the theme of mental
health awareness this week is actually connection in community. We
talk out individual mental health interventions, which are great too,
(39:05):
but then if you can just take a step back
and look at a community, and look at your rural
community and think about how could you either make that
better or how could you get involved. So community interventions
are things like stepping for farrements. It's like your rugby team,
it's like your pay group. It's any kind of group
that happens in a rural community that you can get involved.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
And with the.
Speaker 8 (39:29):
Longer days, now is the time to get out and
try to test something out, test a different group. Don't
write it off if it's not something that you think
that you wouldn't be interested in straightaway. I also want
to acknowledge that everybody's coming to the end of four
or five months of feeding out and that there is stress,
(39:49):
and there probably has been loneliness and isolation. I would
urge you to not let that stop you from getting
out and connecting because we need it as it's a visceral.
It's like hunger or first. If we feel lonely, we
need to reach out to people.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
It's the way that we made would you say the
overall state of mental health is improving.
Speaker 8 (40:11):
It's a really good question. I think that a lot
of mental health issues are becoming more visible. So awareness
is growing, which is great. But with awareness comes a
real or perceived view that it is becoming more common.
I'm not so sure that it is. I just think
that it was hidden a little better. We didn't have
(40:32):
the internet to or social media to see these problems
all the time. People are feeling safer to be able
to speak out and say so. Therefore it's becoming more visible.
I'm not sure that it is increasing. In fact, I've
seen some statistics in certain mental health challenges that are
actually getting.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Better because there used to be a real stigma around
not feeling okay in a mental capacity.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yes, and I do believe that there still is that stigma.
In my research, it's one of the clear barriers to
help seeking. Unfortunately, it's the hardest one to address. What
I have found in my work and in my research
is that these stories of help seeking, of normalizing mental
(41:17):
health help seeking behavior, they must come from peer to peer.
They must be positive stories told on the ground in
rural communities that go from people to people. It cannot
be people speaking down to rural people telling them what's
what they need to do and what needs to happen.
It needs to come peerce a peer, And often when
(41:38):
people get to a place of finally opening up talking
to their mate, talking to someone they work with, quite
often the reception is something like I've been there.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Too, So, like you talked about before, we're coming towards
the end of the winter slash landing, carving, grind. What's
your message to people regarding getting off remembering that there's
always work to do.
Speaker 8 (42:02):
There is always work to do, and I don't think
that it will ever end. It's a little bit like
sleeping the path before it's stopped snowing, or we will
see that meme of the guy trying to push the
ocean back into the ocean with the broom. But to
be sustainable as an ongoing occupation for you, even if
you feel stressed, even if you feel like you've got
(42:24):
no energy, The way that you will regain energy and
gain some feeling of autonomy over your own life is
to actually make that first step. Take take it along
with you, Take your stress with you, take your exhaustion,
your fear of perhaps seeing other people. You can do
these things even when you feel that way.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
You went from tier Now all the way up to Auckland. Now,
Auckland's a big city, especially in the context of a
country like New Zealand. Do you just notice that when
you're walking down the street about just attitudes on people
being different, especially in a mental sense that makes sense.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
It's really funny that you should say their end because
I had this is that conversation with a group of
people yesterday. There's something about the way that we are
as roal people that's difficult to put your finger on,
that is automatically visible if you see another roal person.
And that's exactly what happened to me yesterday. I don't
know if it's the body language or the way that
(43:23):
they interact. Maybe it's our personal space. We all know,
and it's true we do have a bigger personal space circle.
I certainly find here that people don't kind of look
at you. There's a lot of people. Everybody's busy going
about their lives. It's like everybody's in an insular bubble.
Just I'm actually watching from the sixteenth floor right now.
(43:45):
I'm stand on to the footpath and I can see
it right now, Nobody looks at each other, no one interacts.
It's quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
So nobody's wearing a ned ticks of moleskins or our rems.
Speaker 8 (43:56):
I saw one yesterday and that's how I knew he
was a shaman. B sha.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Well, that's the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
And the thing about being rural with a lot of people,
if you're any more relaxed, you'd fall over right.
Speaker 8 (44:08):
Oh, absolutely, And I think it's really easy to forget
these phenomenal parties that we have as for real people.
Yes there are issues, Yes we have problems. Yes there
are things that are difficult to solve, But actually, what
if it's our humanity and our sense of connection that
sets us apart from the rest of the population. That
(44:29):
is something that we can truly be grateful for and
just be in that. If that makes sense, I love it.
Speaker 5 (44:39):
In little thought and you said you have to get undry.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Catherine right talking about Mental Health Awareness Week. To wrap
up the best of the muster, I'm Andy Myer remembering
you can go onto iHeartRadio at any time and go
and listen to any INDI views from.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Last week or from the last while.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Actually, when you're thinking of that, at the Muster On
iHeart Radio, enjoy the weekend, Catch you on Monday.
Speaker 5 (45:08):
Now you're playing its
Speaker 4 (45:11):
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