December 12, 2025 • 45 mins
Andy Muir talks to Dean Rabbidge, Penny Simmonds, Daryl Moyles, James Edgar and Eric Roy.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last night. A very good morning, and welcome along to
the best of the muster, a collaboration of interviews that
took our attention during a busy week here at Hockenui HQ.
My name's Andy Muer Thanks to your company. We're going
to start the yell with Dean Rabbage farming out at
Glenham sheep and beef farmer and talking about wool and
the positives around it and as well the rash now
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behind him taking a different tact with his lamb sharing
this year. Penny Simmons MP four and the Cargo, as
well as being Minister for the Environment, talks about the
changes in farm recycling regarding plastics, something that came out
about ten days ago, but certainly some exciting innovations for
next season, which Penny talks about in a bit of detail.
(00:48):
Darryl Moyles is Sage and Dan's stock Food. Always catching
Always enjoy catching up with Daryl, especially talking about stocking
rates for snails for example. Always good to catch up
with Daryl, talking about what's happening in the mood there
regarding supplement feeds on the farm. James Eggermar Flatt Sweet
sewing dates. It's a big thing for a lot of people,
(01:10):
and James tells us why there's this one date that
he swears by. And finally Eric Roy talking about the
Resource Resource Management Act and the government's proposal to change it.
Eric talks about the ramifications of this for the good,
but it has to be done in a certain way.
So without further ado, we'll start the yel with the
Dean Rabbage. You're listening to the best of the muster.
(01:32):
We over.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
The musters on the farm, brought to you by Southland
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Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dean Rabbage Farms at Glenham and joins us this afternoon.
Dean O, good afternoon. How's everything down in Yournich of
the Woods?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Good afternoon and yeah, very good at the moment. I
suspect it's just a lot like the the rest of
the province. Plenty of feed and during these warm temperatures,
but this win could bugger off. Really it's getting a
bit tiring. But apart from that, everything's looking pretty good
and shaping up for a good summer.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, that wind's red it's ugly head over the last
couple of days once again.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, I see there's a notification this morning on the
phone that the school bus had to take a detour
because the trees over the road again. So I suspect
that there's still a lot of trees that have had
root systems weakened, and that from the from the event
we had at the end of October, So that could
still be upsetting a few, but something to keep an
eye on.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So everything's just taking away. All the lambs have been waned.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Look, we just started winning this morning. We just did
the two eternal twins, got them out of the road,
and Wednesday we'll have a big crack at all the
terminal lambs and hopefully get off whack of them away
and then we'll chiff way at the rest of them
eternals over the next few days. Is really so yeah,
just sign steady ones a restaurant here.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
When it comes to winning, high hopes for numbers away,
you're just pretty pragmatic around the situation.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Look, we're not going to go chasing big numbers. We'll
keep their weights up a little bit high on target,
sort of an average evading kilos, and we'll try and
maintain the average right across the season. Really, I think
at times at winning just the way payment structures work
in the sector that we can be guilty of chasing
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the money. And the average weights dropped considerably, and I
don't think it's doing industry an You're good and providing
a consistent product throughout the year, which is unfortunate. So yeah,
we'll just keep the bar reasonably high, plenty of feed
and still building up new numbers. So we've but slightly
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understopped for us computes to normal. So we'll care on
putting the weight on I think this year.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So you're not worried about stores or anything giving them money.
Where is where it is, the covers are where you
want them to be, I suppose, yeah, like in.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just talking to people and then to see I don't
think we're going to see the big schedule drops like
we've seen in the past, and I'm probably be proven wrong,
but at the moment, I'm yeah, still happy. Just we'll
keep those trying to kelly anything that's going to kill
above seventeen and a half and try and average eight
and kido's or something like that. So there's the planet
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of the stage. But yeah, happy to be well, more
likely to be proven wrong as usually him and regret something,
but that's the planet of the stage.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Now. You were telling me before, you're not crushing your
lambs this year. You're going to take a part. You're
going to get the feathers off them next week.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, I just wanted to sharing contractor the enners. I
was gening them all. The lambs are still very clean
and that so we normally fear everything at the end
of January. January in any way, so why not do it now?
There's plenty of will on them. They're a good neck
and your feet around and then that'll eliminate heaving to
anything and fly strike prevention and all that sort of
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stuff later on and crutch them before sharing as well
in a month's time. So all going to plan. There
is a bit of a spread of the moment decision
this morning as we're wedding, but we'll do that next week.
But they only hold up we've got is that my
wol she currently doesn't have a roof. So yeah, just
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trying to sort out a few logistics and well we'll
give it a crack and see what happens. Anyway, that's
what happens in the North Island and it seems to
work well for them. So I don't see why we
can't do.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It down here, but well this is the Southland.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, I know anything can change yet, I'll talk to
you in a few weeks time and the plan would
have completely changed. But this plan at the moment, oh nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
A big old tap can't hold for a couple of days, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, we'll see. It's going to be fine. It's going
to be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So in general though, and you were saying it before
as well, the way that wolves rebounded hearing likes of
dirty price for cross red wall being over three dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, it's quite encouraging, isn't it. We just then you'll
share all our years in January and they normally share
and that's four kilos of walls. So yeah, look, it's
quite positive. I think at least the sharing bill is
going to be more than covered this year just looking
at it. So yeah, we'll just carry on and try
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and maintain a high quality clip and give it the
works over the cable like we have been, like we
always have. And yeah, hopefully we'll see a bit of
a positive or a black figure at the bottom of
the wall budget this year.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, certainly it's not. It's a silver ball at the
industry needs by no means is going to fix the industry,
and it's been clear about that. But it's all small steps.
I suppose, it's like eating an elephant, just so little bites.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, exactly, and once we start plucking de troop again,
the ball things.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So today, can you tell the younger generation that land
and see what they come up with their idea? Yeah,
I know, I know, but that'll be a great problem
to have. But mutton prices too, they've rebounded strongly, just
a red meat sector in general. Venison schedules are up there,
red meats up there, we talk about beef, we talk
(07:18):
about mutton, we talk about lamb. So it's a good
vibe heading into Christmas.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I was just fucking through map on the phone looking
at weights and prices we're getting for product this time
last year, and mutton was four seventeen and lamb dot
Lamb was eight o six and it was that was
last week in November then, so I probably would have
come back for now. But yeah, so this year we're
talking sort of six forty and around there eleven dollars
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so for lamb. So it's pretty positive out there and
it's really exciting and yeah, it's fantastic and it's a
shame it's probably eighteen months too late because we've lost
a lot of sheep and beef out of the system
across the country. But yeah, in mind, it's it's really
good and a positive, positive space going into Christmas.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Hey, we talk about the ARIMA changes as well that
are in the pipeline of counselor malgamations to follow on
after that from this central government directive. What are your thoughts?
Is it good?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh, look, it's good that it's been locked at and
it's been torn apart and rebuilt. I guess the devil
will be in the detail. And yeah, that's still a
lot of detail to expose itself, I guess. But I
just hope whatever happens it is by partisan support and
we're not just going to see the IMA becoming a
political football and getting revamped every three years, because that'll
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just lead to a huge waste and costs and bureaucracy
and probably not achieve anything. At the end of the day.
We'll just be continuously living in a state of so
the limbo. So yeah, look excited to see what comes out.
Hopefully it'll be positive and make farming and lend uses
(09:00):
quite beneficial moving forward. But yeah, it just whatever happens,
just needs to be support and be allowed to bed
on for a few years before massive changes happened again.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Really yeah, interesting how it's going to pan out, Dean. Hey,
we'll leave it there, mate, Thanks for your time. Once again,
we always appreciate your time on the muster. Enjoy the
holidays and good luck getting that tarp up for sharing.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, thanks, Ruch Shendy talk later.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Welcome back to the Muster and the cargo. MP Penny
Simmons joins us as well. She is Minister for the Environment.
Good afternoon, Penny. How are you?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, good afternoon, Andy. It's to be chaffing. So I'm
still down here and in Macago today going up tonight.
They've put the late flights on over summer, which is great.
I can spend a full day in the Electris and
go up at six thirty at night, get up there
at nine point forty. So I'm very pleased.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So you'll let to go via christ Church I suppose, yes.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah, no direct flights.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah good, only in New Zealand. Anyway, that's the matter
for another day. He is right, So we talk about
free trade agreements, Penny. This has been quite the hot
topic over the past twelve months, especially getting that free
trade agreement over the line with India. Tom mcclay's over
there at the moment putting in the effort. How realistic
is that we're going to get perhaps red meat and
(10:19):
an FTA to make it meaningful for real?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, well, look, I think he's doing his level best
for us. He's done some great work with free trade agreements.
He did their fastest free trade agreement that's ever been
done for the country earlier this year.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Of course, we've got the UAE and.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Golf States one that's been really good, the Indian one. Look,
it's going to be a tricky one. But he's up
there at the moment. He's up there this week really
pushing things hard for us. He had his counterpart from
India down with him a couple of weeks ago. He's
very aware as the Agriculture Minister how important it is
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to get some significant agriculture wins for us. So let's
hope that red meat one that he can really get
something included there. And I know that the ambition from
the Prime Minister and for Todd is to have an
India a free trade with India before the end of
this term.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Now yours qualified to talk about this as any one, Penny,
given you a history of siit was there a lot
of I don't know, hesitancy from India regarding New Zealand
based on the way we treated overseas students during the
COVID COVID era.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
No, look, I think they are very keen to be
able to get their students into here. They're very keen
to have smooth pathways for their students for work visas,
So no doubt that will be part of the discussion.
The Indian students make up big numbers at our universities
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and polytechnics. They are second behind China, so they are
important to us and we want to make sure the
smooth pathways there as well.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So it's pretty harmonious as far as Indian students come
into New Zealand a z all kosher.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I think so. Look, you know there's always things
that have to be thoroughly checked out in terms of
finances and credibility of qualifications, but they are what in
immigration New Zealand has to check out anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Now, this is a good news story, Penny. It came
out late last week farm plastics recycling scheme. Guess the
green light because this has been a real point of
contention for farmers. What are the finer details of this
that people need to know?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, so, look, this is formalizing something that has been
a voluntary scheme that's been run by a couple of
industry players, and we're combining that and now making it
a compulsory scheme because they had sort of fat owed
with the voluntary scheme of how many were engaging in it,
and that meant there were some free riders in terms
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of the importers of the plastics. So this now becomes
a compulsory scheme. It pulls together the two existing industry
driven voluntary schemes and ensures that the payment is made
upfront as the importers bring the products or the plastics
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into the country. And so therefore the scheme, the farmer,
the end user doesn't have to pay for it. They
will be collected. The plastics will be collected and taken away.
So that's the bail wraps and silid sheets and agrichemical
containers will be taken away for recycling. We're struggling a
(13:51):
bit to get recycling biable here in New Zealand, but
at this stage they are going offshore for recycling. We
have had recycling available. You'll be aware Recycle South has
Paletizer and macare ware that we're hopeful in the future
that that might become viable again now that the scheme
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will ensure they've got feedstock for it, because it's that
continuity of feedstock of the plastics coming in that can
be the issue.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, that was the intriguing thing after the last local
body election, Penny all of a sudden puff, the stroke
of a pen, and we had recycling here in Gore.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yes, well that's good, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, but it was random who had just appeared out
of the blue.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well, I'm going out to have a look at the
lime Hill site. I think it's week after next, next
week or the week after next before Christmas anyway, because
what they are doing out there, where a lot of
our landfill goes to, is extremely forward looking. They capture
the gas and they use it to drive the lot.
(14:57):
So I'm very keen to see that. But of course
we do want to check those plastics and those big
bulky containers that don't break down. We want to keep
them out of landfill. And so that's the value of
the recycling scheme.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Now we're saying here in the press release last week,
the industry lead scheme will bring the existing programs into
a single national system offering free to use, simple and
accessible services for all users of in scope agrichemicals and
farm plastics. The key phrase there, penny is free to use.
How far is this going to go?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yes, So look, that's why the cost is built on
at the front for the ones that are importing the products,
importing the plastics coming into the country. Our expectation is
because it's such a small amount that they won't pass
it on to the end users, to the farmers and
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the growers. But the scheme, the actual pickup scheme and
the recycling is free to the to the farmers and
the growers.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So it's going to be compulsory for farmers to be
part of this.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
It's compulsory for their importers to be part of it.
So it's not compulsory for the farmers, but it is
compulsory for the importers. But we believe that farmers as
good stewards of their land and of the environment, they
will want to if it's a free pickup, they will
want to have their plastics picked up rather than having
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to burn or bury them. And so that's where the
engagement with the farmers occurs, not making mandatory pick up,
but that it's free, So why wouldn't you do it?
Save you the job of having to try and get
rid of it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, we'll stand by to see how this pans out.
Just finally, penny, how busy is the week for youyhead?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, the next week ahead is very busy because it's
going to be urgency, so we'll probably be there till
midnight on Saturday night, so that'll be midnight, will be
ten o'clock Tuesday, and then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Saturday will
be midnight. So it's a busy week as we try
and get a lot of legislation through over the next while.
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People will be aware that the Resource Management Acts replacement
Acts are coming up this week, so there's going to
be plenty of big, chunky things happening up in Parliament
this coming week.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, good on your penny, always got to catch up.
We'll catch up one final time this year next week.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Thank you, byea credit cards, Welcome back to the muster
on Hakanui.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
The song is the Power of Love by Huey Lewis
and the News of course from the Back to the Future,
the first movie in the trilogy actually coming out in
the year nineteen eighty five. That is a theme for
the music today. Daryl Moyles Sagean, Dan Stockfoods joins us
once again. Good afternoon, Darryl.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Good afternoon, And I guess one of my old favorite movies,
that original Back to the Future. It is a great story.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
They kind of ruined it with the sequels, though in
my opinion, I don't.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Know that I've seen any of the sequels. I can't think.
I think Number one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
No, Number one absolutely just stands out as a movie
that just resonates with a lot of people, of course
starring Michael J. Fox. But there's not the matter about today,
right because we're talking about aromas. If you want to
give the gift of carrying this season, I reckon give
the gift of the Lesses, especially when it's got sat
and Dan stock Food's name on it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Right.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
That's a new one on me. But I'm sure there's
a bit of prisons out here than the Lesses. But
whatever works for the Endy.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh, the smell of it. Look yesterday, for example, just
wandering around going to my vehicle after where I can look.
You just just resonated around the streets. It's it's humored.
The ear is still and pretty much smell the stuff
as miles. It's fantastic. As I keep telling you, well,
it's good that you like it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I'd hate for someone out there that doesn't like that smell.
We'd hear about it, but now there's not much we
can do about it. We use a bit of products,
so there is a bit of a roma, and especially
in the warm days, you need.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
To try and put on the air fresher for the car.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Oh, you've got some good ideas. You're a bit of
an entrepreneur. I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm an ideas man made. I'm all about Daryl Kerrigan, right.
But anyway, over there at Sagandan's Top Foods, it's all
guns to the gunner and the lead out to Christmas. Darryl.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
We're still under the pump with at Endy. I mean,
it's probably a lot of people say it's good to
be flat out, but we're sort of really struggling to
get this product out of the door fast enough at
the moment, so it doesn't matter how much capacity you've got.
We seem to get aller faster than we can produce it.
But so yeah, this time of the year, we're normally
tailing off through the Christmas with calf mostly over at
the moment, it's still going flat out obviously, a lot
(19:38):
of cars being read, especially beefies, and they normally last
to hit the ground, so there's still a lot of
feed going out the door, calf and dairy feed. With
guys still mating and the season starting to change, you know,
we're starting to get some change and milk your ears,
so guys are looking at more of a summer max
rather than spring. Obviously, the requirements for meg and lime
reduced once you get through that spring period and mating.
(20:02):
So yeah, it's all go thinking about what's best to
send farmers at the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
A lot of calves being read this year, especially in
the beech sense as well.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Oh, totally the massive We sort of were prepared for that.
We knew beef were strong and there'll be a few
beef calves read, but totally blown away by the volumes
of feed required on a daily basis. So we've been running,
absolutely running, and other boys are looking forward to seeing
the light at the end of sudd and I.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Can assure you yeah, they're big tool frame of yours
must be running up and down those steps at a
million miles in air.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Deryl, I don't actually run up the steps that fast
and safety right, well, health and safety. But when I
do get to level three with the boys manufacturing, I've
got to wait for them minute before I can talk
to them. I'm not as fit as the once once,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Join the club on that one. As far as other
Max says, what's been going on at this.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Time of year, I was still playing out with all
everything really. Obviously the pig and the poultry, I should say,
is going break down. I'm still putting out huge volumes
of that, and every class really is going pretty good.
At the moment. We're actually got a new and I
know you're you're a fan of our snail feed, but
we've just had an order for some dear velvet nuts
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to go to Mauritius, which is just off Managaess Curtens,
a long way from New Zealand. So we're just working
with the export company to get that one through something
we didn't plan on, But we just got a contact
over there, and he's got a game business for velveting stacks,
and so we may be sending some deer feed to Mauritius.
(21:36):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
How did the word of Satandine stock folds get all
the way to Mauritiu's Well.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Actually what happened is his brother lives in New Zealand
and just researched, you know, dear velveting product and come
to us. You know, the product's pretty good, and asked
a few questions and we give him some pricing and
he's organizing an export company to send a trial shipment.
So we never would have thought we'd do anything in exporting.
But and Mauritius, I had to look up that.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You had to google it?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Did it where it was?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, might be of it, but I didn't know where
it was.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, there might be a work tripping it for yourself
and Max perhaps, well.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
I did say I'd better go and check it out.
To be honest, you've always wanted to go to Madagasca,
so might as well fallen on the way.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There is cargo mix the snail. Max who talked about
it before you went and seen your climb up there
in Central. You've got any more giver for me regarding
the ratio phicct you what are you working on stock unit?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Was?
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I haven't got that guff for you.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
But I had Natalie here in my office last week
sorting out a few formulations and she said she's still
working with that chap up here tweaking the formulation so
we'll have the fastest snails around by the time we
get it right. So at this stage now I haven't
been there and I haven't got a stocking right sorted,
but it's still on ago, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well, I'm going to ask you every month until we
get disorganized, you know that.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Well, over the Christmas year break, I intend to spend
a bit of time in Central and he will be
one person that I'll contact to try and with it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Absolutely, Oh brilliant, Now that's too. But of course, Natalie Crystal,
the animal nutrition is for Sergeant Dan doing all these formulations,
and it's sure as sure as how there's a lot
of them to try and connect with, right, Oh.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Absolutely. She was very interested in the Mauritius thing because
originally from Zimbabwe, trained in South Africa, so she's not
far off the coast, so she knew it a bit
of the nights.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The rumor is going around that a reindeer max is
being made specifically for Santa has been requested from the
North Pole as well, so it's not just Mauritius and
the Max. Any truth to that.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I couldn't confirm or deny that in cases any children
are listening, but reindeer pellets have been requested, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
There have been almost as clause has been on the case.
That's what we need to know other happenings of Satin Dan.
How would you surmise a year though, as we look
forward into twenty twenty six, Daryl.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Our twenty twenty six is going to be a different
year again, but with the initial payout at the start
of the season and the beef thing, this has been
by far the biggest season we've ever had, and by
a long way. The volumes were put through in this
what we've providentially struggled at sometimes to keep up. But
next year is going to be ahold different year.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
There's a bit of talk about the payout coming back
a lit bit, so we'll just have to wait and
see what happens either's totally outder my control, but we'll
be out there trying to satisfy the farmer's requirements either way.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And what days are you closed over the holiday season?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Well, we only play stat days because the animals need
fed every day. We only close the stat days. We're
open every other trading day.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Just finally, as well, the news came out last night
that four sythe Bars Stadium Indoneda no test rugby there
next year, the first time since two thousand and six.
There'll be no test rugby Indoneda. And Darryl, are you
going to make the trek out to christ Church? You're
going look at this fence new stadium.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Well, funnily enough, I have a daughter living in christ
Church and I do intend to visit that new stadium aro.
I've got a beat up there, so looking forward to
trying that new stadium to be honest, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you think this is the decline of forsythe Bar
the unfortunately? I mean the truth is you just can't
have it. You don't have enough beds in need and
to satisfy demand when these big events on.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Yeah, but I'd still like to think that even will
get a Fishier games. Some pretty good stadium and the
players and people love going there. I think it'll stay
on the system.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Surely, Darrell.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
If anybody wants to get attached to Sergeant Dan before Christmas,
what's the best way?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Just at eight hundred number, which is eight hundred Sgt
d a m get on.
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Speaker 7 (25:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We were away to moa flat this afternoon, catching up
with James Igga farming over that way, hopefully not getting
blown off the hills or anything. Silly. James, good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Oh here's a gun ending. Now it's one of the
maybe five days I've had all season that there's no
wind at the moment, so.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It certainly hasn't been too many. I went out.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Fishing fishing with the Great Wolfson there on Sunday and
we had a beautiful day and a waker and there
was no win. So yeah, it's I've really enjoyed the
five days it hasn't been windy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
How many fish did you catch?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Oh, just enough for a feed year four or five
and ticked around and a few power and yeah, and
that was just really a bit of a good day
off farm. So that was nice to do something different.
It's been pretty much chaos here, but we're we're well
on the control. But yeah, it's certainly busy, busy time
of the air up until about now and then start
weaning and stuff. But we yeah, really trying to focus
(26:52):
on getting those swedes and and the groundwork done and
focus on getting those lettle strenched and tailed. And yeah,
it's just the sort of that time of the year.
There's about three months of the year to go by
really fast.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You can almost rename December organized chaos.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Yeah, we've got air crops are all in, so it's
all ticked off. We'll try and get more cars in
November if we can, so we've just got a couple
of days waning to tidy up before Christmas and finishing
the lamb drenching sort of this week, and we're out
here just at the top road and don't know if
you're making this job. So yeah, it's under control, which
(27:29):
is actually a nice feeling. But yeah, I certainly I
don't like to have the Swedes in lateness. One thing
I don't like, especially up here. We were all there
winter crops too much.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So what would you call late for your Swedes?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
That's a great question. First in December, really, yeap got
to be in in November preferably. We would like to
work on the middle of November. Especially we sort of
sow about seventy hec years, so you've got to get
started probably the middle of the month, just to make
sure you know, she last pedics on time. But yeah,
(28:03):
we're quite close to Central Tigo. Sometimes not every season,
but we certainly can. If we're drawing out. It's must
getting those couple of rains on the Swedes early just
to get them up and going. If you get too
late into December and then you get that dry January
on them like Central you just yeah, it's pretty hard
and everything.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So if you had a more consistent rainfall, you want
to be too stressed about your swedes going in, say
mid December.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
I've done it before. I figure it pays to panic
early because that way you get them in at some stage.
If you're aiming for the middle of December and then
they're not in by Christmas, you know, you're just getting mind. Yeah,
it's just one of the things in farming up here.
I've found it's a lot easier six months of the
year if you've got good winter crops because you can
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just do your feed budgets and everything works and you're
not streeting. If you've got a week of snow or
anything like that, are you know, you can just feed
them more, Whereas when you don't have enough up here,
you can lose a lot of weight and sheep and
cattle just trying to get through. Yeah, not every year,
it's just some I always try, and it's just risk mitigation.
It's something that I really focus on, is getting those
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crops and is it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
A spray and sow situation or you working the ground.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
No swedes adrect drilled, so we just spray them. Two
days later the swedes go straight in that next grass
spray is really the timing of that. That's the absolute
key I've found. Then we use and plenty of fertilizer.
We don't usually worry about coming back in with nitrogen.
It's more the grass and weed spray that you do
about a month, well six weeks after sewing. It just depends,
(29:39):
but that's an absolute key. You just can't have the
grass or weeds competing with the swedes through the timing
of that EG spray in my opinion, with direct drilling
is yeah, absolutely key. And we're using two hundred and
fifty kilos a DAP down the spout, so plenty of
fertilizer as well, because they can't grow without fertilizer. So yeah, no,
it's it's working well for us anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So you're working on a session of Tago climate. What
are your clover covers like At the moment?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Climate is really good. Stock are really good. It's just
sometimes we can dry out, I guess on some of
the lightest souls, we don't like it. Sometimes you can
drive if you ever coming up the hill from Etric,
you can watch the line of the dry and it
comes all the way up to Mars Flat. So you can,
especially in the summer if you go down there for
ice cream months a week and you'll just watch the
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dry and they will just come all the way up
right up to the top of mile Flat, so you
can actually you've got about three weeks warning. I reckon
if you keep an eye on that dry line. That's
sort of a yeah week thing I do sometimes.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, so you use the excuse of an ice cream
and etric to actually go and see what the line's doing.
As far as moisture on the.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Hills, Yeah, it did, right, Yep.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Lamb quality, we're getting up to waning season. If people
haven't weaned, it's pretty much just that time being in December,
you reckon. Lamb quality is something needs to be focused on,
given especially the way the prices have rebounded.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
We were just.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Talking there off here before. Certainly something I've been thinking about,
and I hear comments from people around the place sometimes,
you know, and talking about really getting hard into those
lambs at waning time because the price is good, you know,
going down to fifteen point five KOs sixteen kilos. And
I guess something that I'm reflecting on the eleven dollars lambs
(31:23):
schedule is that actually the most important thing is to
keep the quality of air product up in market because
if people stop buying it because it's not very good,
well what's going to happen to our price? It's actually
going to go down. So one of the things I
think we really need to focus on as farmers is
actually having to think about the consumer. And you know,
if you've got those hard lambs and I've gone off
(31:44):
and there were, but the reality is the store price
is very high and maybe they're better off going somewhere
so somebody else can fatten them up. Because yeah, I
guess that's just one thing I reflect on, you know,
as we go forward, I guess with lower sheet numbers,
we actually need to be really focused on the quality
of the product we're supplying because I know even in Australia,
(32:07):
you've been listening to some podcasts over there and they're
starting to really work on intramuscular fat and lambs and
actually Pete Garden is the one to talk to about
that next time if you're interested. But there's quite a
bit in there. But I guess when it comes back
to it's the same as a good steak. If you
see that nice marble steak and it looks good and
it's been hung well. You know, you know you're in
(32:28):
for a really good eating quality experience and you're actually
happy to pay the money to get it. But if
you have a really tough steak, you know, you might
you think to yourself, Oh no, I can actually do
something with chicken or some other protein or something else.
So I guess I'm just reflecting as far everywhere we
should all be actually thinking about that and thinking about
how every lamb if we can, that goes off their
(32:51):
farm to go and get processed, is actually you know,
you be really happy to eat it yourself. And and
I think that will just help the markets and they'll
just help you. Everyone oversees the consumer because I actually
get a great experience and like, yes, even though it's
more expensive, I will actually pay for the lamb because
I want to, you know, show other people say yeah,
something that I guess as a farmer, it's not thought
(33:12):
of very much, but it sort of needs to be.
I guess as we're going through this time of high prices.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Two things come to mind for me straight away, James.
Number one is animal genetics, thus giving you a bit
of product. But number two, like you talked about before us.
Every season is different than the lambs aren't just going
to go out sometimes the way we hope.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Yeah, absolutely, I think the modern days changed, and I actually, well, yeah,
a couple of points from me. One of them i'd
like to maybe are backing off of the the approaching
companies need to give you the market premiums as they go.
(33:52):
They don't need to change change the point compared to
how many are coming out of New Zealand, because there's
actually not a good market signal to just prashion Burnett
weaning because you know the price is going to go
down a dollar fifty just because there's plenty of lambs
here and the you know that's the process is large,
and well that's actually not good for anybody because then
people are panicking killing these lambs light or not quite
(34:14):
fat enough when they could get further. It's not optimum
for the eating experience. I guess that's just that's just
us in the processing companies, which is actually the wrong way.
We're not thinking about the consumer enough if we're doing that.
So yeah, that's certainly one thing i'd like changed. And
the other thing I think is definitely there because we've
got lower sheep numbers. It's very and there's quite a
(34:37):
lot of you know, lamb lamb fatness around the place.
I guess I don't see the store market well. I
making sure it's worth enough that it's actually better off
to take that to somebody else to make some money
off once again, and not just process it because the
process is competing to fill up their chain. It's a
bit of a roundabout way of saying that. I think
(34:58):
everyone from the farmer proceeds. So we all need to
think about the consumer more because that way everyone can
hear high prices on the way through and not just
thinking about squbbling round of New zealand putting premiums on
killing light lambs or lambs that actually aren't finished or wait,
deliver the desired eating experience.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, wise words. As always, James will leave it there.
Thanks for your time on the muster, not just today
but throughout the year. You enjoy the holiday season mates,
and we'll be in touch in twenty twenty six. Always
appreciate your time.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Thanks Andy, and I hope everyone out there, including you,
has a new year and Merry Christmas, sir, No, it's good.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Derrick Roy has a farm in the Fjordland basin. He's
wore a number of hats over the years, including being
an MP for a long time up there in Parliament
and as well recently was the chair of the New
Zealand Pork Board. And we catch up on a regular
good afternoon, Eric.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Good afternoon, sunshining into you now, a beautiful day. Can't
complain about anything.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, you were saying before, You're just going to get
on top of that tractor work.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
A good day or finish it now.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm poised.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm poised.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So we talk about these changes to arimays that have
been proposed by Chris Bishop. You've had a little skinny
game in the game over the years here, Ick, in
more ways than one. It'll be interesting to get your
viewpoint around this. Is this going to be a good thing?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Look, I think of it leans in the right pase.
My only concern is that to get these things exactly
right takes a bit of time and quite a bit
of work, and the time frames that they put on
this might might be a bit of a handicap to
getting it exactly right. And as long as they're open
to recognizing amendments, might be the case. But you know,
(36:56):
I've said other MPs saying it takes several years get
this right, and you only need one clause that someone
can get into that will delay and hold that up.
But look, do I think it's a good idea. Yes,
we needed to have a look at it, either personally
or in things I'm associated with. I've done subdivisions and
zone changing of land and a few things, and it's
(37:19):
just a nightmare. And it's subject to so much interpretation
by someone who's trying to make a name for themselves
or that's mine you. I can't think of any other
reason why they'd be so difficult. It's just time that
we got into having a look at and sorting out
the best way forward. Look, if everybody's an agreement, why
(37:41):
should a planning officer say you can't do this, or
you need to do that, or these are our rules,
and so that stuff certainly needs to be streamlined.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
That's for short over zealous compliance officers. You are not
alone in your thinking.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Rieric.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, we're not naming anybody or any particular council or
territorial authorities. We're just saying there's evidence that this stuff
needed to be addressed. And I think this is a
good start. We're just going to make short lands in
the right place and if we find an anomaly, get
ready to fix it before it becomes another problem.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Because resource managment, the Resource Management Act on its own
has such a broad aspect to it as well. That's
a big thing to understand and this document is massive,
so there's only certain things that you need to understand
from a farming perspective.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Surely, well, that's true, But the Resource Management Act, I've
brought about five acts together in nineteen ninety four and
the Town and Country Planning Act and quite a few
others and address that and that needed to be done
at the time. We've now had thirty years of it,
so we need to say, well, where can it work better?
(38:52):
And that's where I think Chris Bishop has probably hit
the market. It's just saying it's time to address it.
But yeah, let's get on and do it.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Is there a case of central government but government though
being too heavy handed in its rulings for like the
regional councils to implement things well.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
This would be one of my concerns about the reforms
that have come alongside this RIMA in terms of where
the government wants to structural restructure the whole territory of
territorial authorities and regional councils, and to some degree, I
think they've found the regional councils to be a bit
(39:32):
of a possum that they want to demonize and be
a reason why growth hasn't happened as fast as it shode.
That may be the case in some places, and I'm
speaking as an individual hean not as my counselor had
in the regional council. But if you look at Southland,
it's absolutely unique in the country. There isn't another regional
(39:52):
area that has the same issues. We've got three angry
rivers that can flood the wire of the Mantowa and
the area. You've got another couple we have Marima and
the Macariva that can do that. We've got the longest
coastline of any regional council in the country and there's
two national parks bordering those. We've got all these things
(40:15):
to manage. They've got one hundred thousand people and so
I don't think the local mayors want us to buy
into this and say, you know, we can do this job.
So actually having a unity council that's controlled by a
board of mayas. I think we need to go back
and have another look at that and see if that's
(40:35):
the best way to do it. And from Southern's point
of view, we're head of the government on this. We've
got the Local Government Commission having a look at South
and then saying, well, what do we need here? Is
the unitary council going to be the way? What's the structure?
How many territorial authorities do we need? And I just
hope and that's going to be an occasion where there's
(40:57):
absolute consultation with every sector of South and business, EWE,
ecological whatever. They're all going to have a say in
that with the Local Government Commission. And I just hope
that mister Bishop lets that process run before he comes
out and says no, a board of me is and
now going to run this.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Well, perhaps this is the opportunity to revamp the whole
council structure as well, given that over two hundred elected
officials to local government got their jobs recently without having
any to have to go do any campaigning of the
likes we're including mayors around the country. So Jaguman is there.
We need to streamline this for unnecessary costs.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Oh look, I think that's that's absolutely right. And to
some extent, they've also been cost plus industries and some
of the government has loaded onto them and things that
they have to do, and then you need to pack
that up with science and that employees small people, and
so the ratepayer has been the one who's had.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
To fund all this.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And then there needs to be a bit of a regress,
and I say, put it on the table. Let's have
a look. Let's see what is the best way that
we can do this and protect people's property rights, their
health and anything else that needs to happen in what
the role of those territorial authorities and regional councils. Let's
have a look at it. I'm not frightened at doing that, but.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's interesting too. We looked at a farming viewpoint regarding
resource consents or just the consenting process in general, making
it easier for farming just to exist, because that is
what is needed to happen for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Oh look, and I think I certainly think that this
coalition understands that the figures for exporting for the last
year one one hundred billion and sixty billion of that
was from primary industry. That is our business and we
have to facilitate that. While we recognize that the environment
(42:58):
has to be managed and look after, but let's get
on and help those people. And when you see some
of the things that are coming and now hold her
and a whole range of things there that just open
to us, and we need to be able to say,
let's have a look at how we can do the
whole thing better. And my expectation is that that percentage
(43:19):
of sixty per exports is going to increase. The other
thing I'd say is this supposing I had but there's
a very high net in what is New Zealand and
what we export primary from primary production. If you've got
a manufacturing invasion, importing molding and raw materials and everything else,
agriculture is basically just a bit of fert and add water.
(43:43):
And so there's a very high net in that sixty
billion that we export, much much higher than the other
forty percent that has high inputs on imports into it
before it's really you know, remodified and exported.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Just finally, Eric, how would you look at the past
twelve months from a farming perspective.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, I think we've seen a redressing of the fact
that meat proteins have not been in the same kind
of role that they traditionally have. Look, I've been farming
since ID nineteen sixty five on and off, and traditionally
milk powder and red meat proteins have been within ten
(44:28):
percent of each other, and milklowder got away ahead and
that brought some changes to the way in which countrysides work.
But now that looks like and I'm hoping that we've
hit a new plateau and we can all work forward
on that. So it's been great to see that the
part of agriculture that is kind of struggling is the
(44:51):
arable sector. They've had increased costs, but there hasn't been
an increase in their products. So those guys, they'll be
looking for a good Christmas and a good New Year.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Last night I had the street Rikkroiz. You're wrapping up
the best of the muster. Enjoy the weekend. I'll catch
you on Monday for the final week of the muster
on Hokanui for twenty twenty five. Get off, take a
bit of time to connect this weekend. See you Monday.
Last night. A very good morning, and welcome along to
the best of the muster, a collaboration of interviews that
took our attention during a busy week here at Hockenui HQ.
My name's Andy Muer Thanks to your company. We're going
to start the yell with Dean Rabbage farming out at
Glenham sheep and beef farmer and talking about wool and
the positives around it and as well the rash now
(00:27):
behind him taking a different tact with his lamb sharing
this year. Penny Simmons MP four and the Cargo, as
well as being Minister for the Environment, talks about the
changes in farm recycling regarding plastics, something that came out
about ten days ago, but certainly some exciting innovations for
next season, which Penny talks about in a bit of detail.
(00:48):
Darryl Moyles is Sage and Dan's stock Food. Always catching
Always enjoy catching up with Daryl, especially talking about stocking
rates for snails for example. Always good to catch up
with Daryl, talking about what's happening in the mood there
regarding supplement feeds on the farm. James Eggermar Flatt Sweet
sewing dates. It's a big thing for a lot of people,
(01:10):
and James tells us why there's this one date that
he swears by. And finally Eric Roy talking about the
Resource Resource Management Act and the government's proposal to change it.
Eric talks about the ramifications of this for the good,
but it has to be done in a certain way.
So without further ado, we'll start the yel with the
Dean Rabbage. You're listening to the best of the muster.
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We over.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
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Speaker 1 (01:51):
Dean Rabbage Farms at Glenham and joins us this afternoon.
Dean O, good afternoon. How's everything down in Yournich of
the Woods?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Good afternoon and yeah, very good at the moment. I
suspect it's just a lot like the the rest of
the province. Plenty of feed and during these warm temperatures,
but this win could bugger off. Really it's getting a
bit tiring. But apart from that, everything's looking pretty good
and shaping up for a good summer.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, that wind's red it's ugly head over the last
couple of days once again.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Yeah, I see there's a notification this morning on the
phone that the school bus had to take a detour
because the trees over the road again. So I suspect
that there's still a lot of trees that have had
root systems weakened, and that from the from the event
we had at the end of October, So that could
still be upsetting a few, but something to keep an
eye on.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
So everything's just taking away. All the lambs have been waned.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Look, we just started winning this morning. We just did
the two eternal twins, got them out of the road,
and Wednesday we'll have a big crack at all the
terminal lambs and hopefully get off whack of them away
and then we'll chiff way at the rest of them
eternals over the next few days. Is really so yeah,
just sign steady ones a restaurant here.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
When it comes to winning, high hopes for numbers away,
you're just pretty pragmatic around the situation.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Look, we're not going to go chasing big numbers. We'll
keep their weights up a little bit high on target,
sort of an average evading kilos, and we'll try and
maintain the average right across the season. Really, I think
at times at winning just the way payment structures work
in the sector that we can be guilty of chasing
(03:30):
the money. And the average weights dropped considerably, and I
don't think it's doing industry an You're good and providing
a consistent product throughout the year, which is unfortunate. So yeah,
we'll just keep the bar reasonably high, plenty of feed
and still building up new numbers. So we've but slightly
(03:54):
understopped for us computes to normal. So we'll care on
putting the weight on I think this year.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So you're not worried about stores or anything giving them money.
Where is where it is, the covers are where you
want them to be, I suppose, yeah, like in.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Just talking to people and then to see I don't
think we're going to see the big schedule drops like
we've seen in the past, and I'm probably be proven wrong,
but at the moment, I'm yeah, still happy. Just we'll
keep those trying to kelly anything that's going to kill
above seventeen and a half and try and average eight
and kido's or something like that. So there's the planet
(04:28):
of the stage. But yeah, happy to be well, more
likely to be proven wrong as usually him and regret something,
but that's the planet of the stage.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Now. You were telling me before, you're not crushing your
lambs this year. You're going to take a part. You're
going to get the feathers off them next week.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Yeah, I just wanted to sharing contractor the enners. I
was gening them all. The lambs are still very clean
and that so we normally fear everything at the end
of January. January in any way, so why not do it now?
There's plenty of will on them. They're a good neck
and your feet around and then that'll eliminate heaving to
anything and fly strike prevention and all that sort of
(05:05):
stuff later on and crutch them before sharing as well
in a month's time. So all going to plan. There
is a bit of a spread of the moment decision
this morning as we're wedding, but we'll do that next week.
But they only hold up we've got is that my
wol she currently doesn't have a roof. So yeah, just
(05:25):
trying to sort out a few logistics and well we'll
give it a crack and see what happens. Anyway, that's
what happens in the North Island and it seems to
work well for them. So I don't see why we
can't do.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
It down here, but well this is the Southland.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, I know anything can change yet, I'll talk to
you in a few weeks time and the plan would
have completely changed. But this plan at the moment, oh nothing.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
A big old tap can't hold for a couple of days, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, we'll see. It's going to be fine. It's going
to be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So in general though, and you were saying it before
as well, the way that wolves rebounded hearing likes of
dirty price for cross red wall being over three dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, it's quite encouraging, isn't it. We just then you'll
share all our years in January and they normally share
and that's four kilos of walls. So yeah, look, it's
quite positive. I think at least the sharing bill is
going to be more than covered this year just looking
at it. So yeah, we'll just carry on and try
(06:24):
and maintain a high quality clip and give it the
works over the cable like we have been, like we
always have. And yeah, hopefully we'll see a bit of
a positive or a black figure at the bottom of
the wall budget this year.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, certainly it's not. It's a silver ball at the
industry needs by no means is going to fix the industry,
and it's been clear about that. But it's all small steps.
I suppose, it's like eating an elephant, just so little bites.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Yeah, exactly, and once we start plucking de troop again,
the ball things.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
So today, can you tell the younger generation that land
and see what they come up with their idea? Yeah,
I know, I know, but that'll be a great problem
to have. But mutton prices too, they've rebounded strongly, just
a red meat sector in general. Venison schedules are up there,
red meats up there, we talk about beef, we talk
(07:18):
about mutton, we talk about lamb. So it's a good
vibe heading into Christmas.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I was just fucking through map on the phone looking
at weights and prices we're getting for product this time
last year, and mutton was four seventeen and lamb dot
Lamb was eight o six and it was that was
last week in November then, so I probably would have
come back for now. But yeah, so this year we're
talking sort of six forty and around there eleven dollars
(07:44):
so for lamb. So it's pretty positive out there and
it's really exciting and yeah, it's fantastic and it's a
shame it's probably eighteen months too late because we've lost
a lot of sheep and beef out of the system
across the country. But yeah, in mind, it's it's really
good and a positive, positive space going into Christmas.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Hey, we talk about the ARIMA changes as well that
are in the pipeline of counselor malgamations to follow on
after that from this central government directive. What are your thoughts?
Is it good?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Oh, look, it's good that it's been locked at and
it's been torn apart and rebuilt. I guess the devil
will be in the detail. And yeah, that's still a
lot of detail to expose itself, I guess. But I
just hope whatever happens it is by partisan support and
we're not just going to see the IMA becoming a
political football and getting revamped every three years, because that'll
(08:40):
just lead to a huge waste and costs and bureaucracy
and probably not achieve anything. At the end of the day.
We'll just be continuously living in a state of so
the limbo. So yeah, look excited to see what comes out.
Hopefully it'll be positive and make farming and lend uses
(09:00):
quite beneficial moving forward. But yeah, it just whatever happens,
just needs to be support and be allowed to bed
on for a few years before massive changes happened again.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Really yeah, interesting how it's going to pan out, Dean. Hey,
we'll leave it there, mate, Thanks for your time. Once again,
we always appreciate your time on the muster. Enjoy the
holidays and good luck getting that tarp up for sharing.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah, thanks, Ruch Shendy talk later.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Welcome back to the Muster and the cargo. MP Penny
Simmons joins us as well. She is Minister for the Environment.
Good afternoon, Penny. How are you?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Yeah, good afternoon, Andy. It's to be chaffing. So I'm
still down here and in Macago today going up tonight.
They've put the late flights on over summer, which is great.
I can spend a full day in the Electris and
go up at six thirty at night, get up there
at nine point forty. So I'm very pleased.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
So you'll let to go via christ Church I suppose, yes.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah, no direct flights.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah good, only in New Zealand. Anyway, that's the matter
for another day. He is right, So we talk about
free trade agreements, Penny. This has been quite the hot
topic over the past twelve months, especially getting that free
trade agreement over the line with India. Tom mcclay's over
there at the moment putting in the effort. How realistic
is that we're going to get perhaps red meat and
(10:19):
an FTA to make it meaningful for real?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
Yeah, well, look, I think he's doing his level best
for us. He's done some great work with free trade agreements.
He did their fastest free trade agreement that's ever been
done for the country earlier this year.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
Of course, we've got the UAE and.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
The Golf States one that's been really good, the Indian one. Look,
it's going to be a tricky one. But he's up
there at the moment. He's up there this week really
pushing things hard for us. He had his counterpart from
India down with him a couple of weeks ago. He's
very aware as the Agriculture Minister how important it is
(11:03):
to get some significant agriculture wins for us. So let's
hope that red meat one that he can really get
something included there. And I know that the ambition from
the Prime Minister and for Todd is to have an
India a free trade with India before the end of
this term.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Now yours qualified to talk about this as any one, Penny,
given you a history of siit was there a lot
of I don't know, hesitancy from India regarding New Zealand
based on the way we treated overseas students during the
COVID COVID era.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
No, look, I think they are very keen to be
able to get their students into here. They're very keen
to have smooth pathways for their students for work visas,
So no doubt that will be part of the discussion.
The Indian students make up big numbers at our universities
(11:58):
and polytechnics. They are second behind China, so they are
important to us and we want to make sure the
smooth pathways there as well.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So it's pretty harmonious as far as Indian students come
into New Zealand a z all kosher.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I think so. Look, you know there's always things
that have to be thoroughly checked out in terms of
finances and credibility of qualifications, but they are what in
immigration New Zealand has to check out anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Now, this is a good news story, Penny. It came
out late last week farm plastics recycling scheme. Guess the
green light because this has been a real point of
contention for farmers. What are the finer details of this
that people need to know?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, so, look, this is formalizing something that has been
a voluntary scheme that's been run by a couple of
industry players, and we're combining that and now making it
a compulsory scheme because they had sort of fat owed
with the voluntary scheme of how many were engaging in it,
and that meant there were some free riders in terms
(13:07):
of the importers of the plastics. So this now becomes
a compulsory scheme. It pulls together the two existing industry
driven voluntary schemes and ensures that the payment is made
upfront as the importers bring the products or the plastics
(13:27):
into the country. And so therefore the scheme, the farmer,
the end user doesn't have to pay for it. They
will be collected. The plastics will be collected and taken away.
So that's the bail wraps and silid sheets and agrichemical
containers will be taken away for recycling. We're struggling a
(13:51):
bit to get recycling biable here in New Zealand, but
at this stage they are going offshore for recycling. We
have had recycling available. You'll be aware Recycle South has
Paletizer and macare ware that we're hopeful in the future
that that might become viable again now that the scheme
(14:13):
will ensure they've got feedstock for it, because it's that
continuity of feedstock of the plastics coming in that can
be the issue.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, that was the intriguing thing after the last local
body election, Penny all of a sudden puff, the stroke
of a pen, and we had recycling here in Gore.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Yes, well that's good, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, but it was random who had just appeared out
of the blue.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Well, I'm going out to have a look at the
lime Hill site. I think it's week after next, next
week or the week after next before Christmas anyway, because
what they are doing out there, where a lot of
our landfill goes to, is extremely forward looking. They capture
the gas and they use it to drive the lot.
(14:57):
So I'm very keen to see that. But of course
we do want to check those plastics and those big
bulky containers that don't break down. We want to keep
them out of landfill. And so that's the value of
the recycling scheme.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Now we're saying here in the press release last week,
the industry lead scheme will bring the existing programs into
a single national system offering free to use, simple and
accessible services for all users of in scope agrichemicals and
farm plastics. The key phrase there, penny is free to use.
How far is this going to go?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yes, So look, that's why the cost is built on
at the front for the ones that are importing the products,
importing the plastics coming into the country. Our expectation is
because it's such a small amount that they won't pass
it on to the end users, to the farmers and
(15:53):
the growers. But the scheme, the actual pickup scheme and
the recycling is free to the to the farmers and
the growers.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So it's going to be compulsory for farmers to be
part of this.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
It's compulsory for their importers to be part of it.
So it's not compulsory for the farmers, but it is
compulsory for the importers. But we believe that farmers as
good stewards of their land and of the environment, they
will want to if it's a free pickup, they will
want to have their plastics picked up rather than having
(16:27):
to burn or bury them. And so that's where the
engagement with the farmers occurs, not making mandatory pick up,
but that it's free, So why wouldn't you do it?
Save you the job of having to try and get
rid of it.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, we'll stand by to see how this pans out.
Just finally, penny, how busy is the week for youyhead?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, the next week ahead is very busy because it's
going to be urgency, so we'll probably be there till
midnight on Saturday night, so that'll be midnight, will be
ten o'clock Tuesday, and then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday Saturday will
be midnight. So it's a busy week as we try
and get a lot of legislation through over the next while.
(17:11):
People will be aware that the Resource Management Acts replacement
Acts are coming up this week, so there's going to
be plenty of big, chunky things happening up in Parliament
this coming week.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, good on your penny, always got to catch up.
We'll catch up one final time this year next week.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Thank you, byea credit cards, Welcome back to the muster
on Hakanui.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
The song is the Power of Love by Huey Lewis
and the News of course from the Back to the Future,
the first movie in the trilogy actually coming out in
the year nineteen eighty five. That is a theme for
the music today. Daryl Moyles Sagean, Dan Stockfoods joins us
once again. Good afternoon, Darryl.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Good afternoon, And I guess one of my old favorite movies,
that original Back to the Future. It is a great story.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
They kind of ruined it with the sequels, though in
my opinion, I don't.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Know that I've seen any of the sequels. I can't think.
I think Number one, yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
No, Number one absolutely just stands out as a movie
that just resonates with a lot of people, of course
starring Michael J. Fox. But there's not the matter about today,
right because we're talking about aromas. If you want to
give the gift of carrying this season, I reckon give
the gift of the Lesses, especially when it's got sat
and Dan stock Food's name on it.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Right.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
That's a new one on me. But I'm sure there's
a bit of prisons out here than the Lesses. But
whatever works for the Endy.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Oh, the smell of it. Look yesterday, for example, just
wandering around going to my vehicle after where I can look.
You just just resonated around the streets. It's it's humored.
The ear is still and pretty much smell the stuff
as miles. It's fantastic. As I keep telling you, well,
it's good that you like it.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
I'd hate for someone out there that doesn't like that smell.
We'd hear about it, but now there's not much we
can do about it. We use a bit of products,
so there is a bit of a roma, and especially
in the warm days, you need.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
To try and put on the air fresher for the car.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
Oh, you've got some good ideas. You're a bit of
an entrepreneur. I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'm an ideas man made. I'm all about Daryl Kerrigan, right.
But anyway, over there at Sagandan's Top Foods, it's all
guns to the gunner and the lead out to Christmas. Darryl.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
We're still under the pump with at Endy. I mean,
it's probably a lot of people say it's good to
be flat out, but we're sort of really struggling to
get this product out of the door fast enough at
the moment, so it doesn't matter how much capacity you've got.
We seem to get aller faster than we can produce it.
But so yeah, this time of the year, we're normally
tailing off through the Christmas with calf mostly over at
the moment, it's still going flat out obviously, a lot
(19:38):
of cars being read, especially beefies, and they normally last
to hit the ground, so there's still a lot of
feed going out the door, calf and dairy feed. With
guys still mating and the season starting to change, you know,
we're starting to get some change and milk your ears,
so guys are looking at more of a summer max
rather than spring. Obviously, the requirements for meg and lime
reduced once you get through that spring period and mating.
(20:02):
So yeah, it's all go thinking about what's best to
send farmers at the moment.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
A lot of calves being read this year, especially in
the beech sense as well.
Speaker 6 (20:13):
Oh, totally the massive We sort of were prepared for that.
We knew beef were strong and there'll be a few
beef calves read, but totally blown away by the volumes
of feed required on a daily basis. So we've been running,
absolutely running, and other boys are looking forward to seeing
the light at the end of sudd and I.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Can assure you yeah, they're big tool frame of yours
must be running up and down those steps at a
million miles in air.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
Deryl, I don't actually run up the steps that fast
and safety right, well, health and safety. But when I
do get to level three with the boys manufacturing, I've
got to wait for them minute before I can talk
to them. I'm not as fit as the once once,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Join the club on that one. As far as other
Max says, what's been going on at this.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Time of year, I was still playing out with all
everything really. Obviously the pig and the poultry, I should say,
is going break down. I'm still putting out huge volumes
of that, and every class really is going pretty good.
At the moment. We're actually got a new and I
know you're you're a fan of our snail feed, but
we've just had an order for some dear velvet nuts
(21:15):
to go to Mauritius, which is just off Managaess Curtens,
a long way from New Zealand. So we're just working
with the export company to get that one through something
we didn't plan on, But we just got a contact
over there, and he's got a game business for velveting stacks,
and so we may be sending some deer feed to Mauritius.
(21:36):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
How did the word of Satandine stock folds get all
the way to Mauritiu's Well.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
Actually what happened is his brother lives in New Zealand
and just researched, you know, dear velveting product and come
to us. You know, the product's pretty good, and asked
a few questions and we give him some pricing and
he's organizing an export company to send a trial shipment.
So we never would have thought we'd do anything in exporting.
But and Mauritius, I had to look up that.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You had to google it?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Did it where it was?
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, might be of it, but I didn't know where
it was.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Well, there might be a work tripping it for yourself
and Max perhaps, well.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
I did say I'd better go and check it out.
To be honest, you've always wanted to go to Madagasca,
so might as well fallen on the way.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There is cargo mix the snail. Max who talked about
it before you went and seen your climb up there
in Central. You've got any more giver for me regarding
the ratio phicct you what are you working on stock unit?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Was?
Speaker 7 (22:25):
I haven't got that guff for you.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
But I had Natalie here in my office last week
sorting out a few formulations and she said she's still
working with that chap up here tweaking the formulation so
we'll have the fastest snails around by the time we
get it right. So at this stage now I haven't
been there and I haven't got a stocking right sorted,
but it's still on ago, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well, I'm going to ask you every month until we
get disorganized, you know that.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Well, over the Christmas year break, I intend to spend
a bit of time in Central and he will be
one person that I'll contact to try and with it.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Absolutely, Oh brilliant, Now that's too. But of course, Natalie Crystal,
the animal nutrition is for Sergeant Dan doing all these formulations,
and it's sure as sure as how there's a lot
of them to try and connect with, right, Oh.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Absolutely. She was very interested in the Mauritius thing because
originally from Zimbabwe, trained in South Africa, so she's not
far off the coast, so she knew it a bit
of the nights.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
The rumor is going around that a reindeer max is
being made specifically for Santa has been requested from the
North Pole as well, so it's not just Mauritius and
the Max. Any truth to that.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
I couldn't confirm or deny that in cases any children
are listening, but reindeer pellets have been requested, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
There have been almost as clause has been on the case.
That's what we need to know other happenings of Satin Dan.
How would you surmise a year though, as we look
forward into twenty twenty six, Daryl.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Our twenty twenty six is going to be a different
year again, but with the initial payout at the start
of the season and the beef thing, this has been
by far the biggest season we've ever had, and by
a long way. The volumes were put through in this
what we've providentially struggled at sometimes to keep up. But
next year is going to be ahold different year.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
There's a bit of talk about the payout coming back
a lit bit, so we'll just have to wait and
see what happens either's totally outder my control, but we'll
be out there trying to satisfy the farmer's requirements either way.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And what days are you closed over the holiday season?
Speaker 6 (24:15):
Well, we only play stat days because the animals need
fed every day. We only close the stat days. We're
open every other trading day.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Just finally, as well, the news came out last night
that four sythe Bars Stadium Indoneda no test rugby there
next year, the first time since two thousand and six.
There'll be no test rugby Indoneda. And Darryl, are you
going to make the trek out to christ Church? You're
going look at this fence new stadium.
Speaker 6 (24:40):
Well, funnily enough, I have a daughter living in christ
Church and I do intend to visit that new stadium aro.
I've got a beat up there, so looking forward to
trying that new stadium to be honest, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you think this is the decline of forsythe Bar
the unfortunately? I mean the truth is you just can't
have it. You don't have enough beds in need and
to satisfy demand when these big events on.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Yeah, but I'd still like to think that even will
get a Fishier games. Some pretty good stadium and the
players and people love going there. I think it'll stay
on the system.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Surely, Darrell.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
If anybody wants to get attached to Sergeant Dan before Christmas,
what's the best way?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Just at eight hundred number, which is eight hundred Sgt
d a m get on.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Your darre will always appreciate your time on the Muster.
You and Max have a fantastic holiday season. We'll catch
up next year.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
All the best of you and your listeners are any Thank.
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Speaker 7 (25:58):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
We were away to moa flat this afternoon, catching up
with James Igga farming over that way, hopefully not getting
blown off the hills or anything. Silly. James, good afternoon.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
Oh here's a gun ending. Now it's one of the
maybe five days I've had all season that there's no
wind at the moment, so.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It certainly hasn't been too many. I went out.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
Fishing fishing with the Great Wolfson there on Sunday and
we had a beautiful day and a waker and there
was no win. So yeah, it's I've really enjoyed the
five days it hasn't been windy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
How many fish did you catch?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
Oh, just enough for a feed year four or five
and ticked around and a few power and yeah, and
that was just really a bit of a good day
off farm. So that was nice to do something different.
It's been pretty much chaos here, but we're we're well
on the control. But yeah, it's certainly busy, busy time
of the air up until about now and then start
weaning and stuff. But we yeah, really trying to focus
(26:52):
on getting those swedes and and the groundwork done and
focus on getting those lettle strenched and tailed. And yeah,
it's just the sort of that time of the year.
There's about three months of the year to go by
really fast.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You can almost rename December organized chaos.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Yeah, we've got air crops are all in, so it's
all ticked off. We'll try and get more cars in
November if we can, so we've just got a couple
of days waning to tidy up before Christmas and finishing
the lamb drenching sort of this week, and we're out
here just at the top road and don't know if
you're making this job. So yeah, it's under control, which
(27:29):
is actually a nice feeling. But yeah, I certainly I
don't like to have the Swedes in lateness. One thing
I don't like, especially up here. We were all there
winter crops too much.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
So what would you call late for your Swedes?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
That's a great question. First in December, really, yeap got
to be in in November preferably. We would like to
work on the middle of November. Especially we sort of
sow about seventy hec years, so you've got to get
started probably the middle of the month, just to make
sure you know, she last pedics on time. But yeah,
(28:03):
we're quite close to Central Tigo. Sometimes not every season,
but we certainly can. If we're drawing out. It's must
getting those couple of rains on the Swedes early just
to get them up and going. If you get too
late into December and then you get that dry January
on them like Central you just yeah, it's pretty hard
and everything.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So if you had a more consistent rainfall, you want
to be too stressed about your swedes going in, say
mid December.
Speaker 7 (28:28):
I've done it before. I figure it pays to panic
early because that way you get them in at some stage.
If you're aiming for the middle of December and then
they're not in by Christmas, you know, you're just getting mind. Yeah,
it's just one of the things in farming up here.
I've found it's a lot easier six months of the
year if you've got good winter crops because you can
(28:48):
just do your feed budgets and everything works and you're
not streeting. If you've got a week of snow or
anything like that, are you know, you can just feed
them more, Whereas when you don't have enough up here,
you can lose a lot of weight and sheep and
cattle just trying to get through. Yeah, not every year,
it's just some I always try, and it's just risk mitigation.
It's something that I really focus on, is getting those
(29:10):
crops and is it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
A spray and sow situation or you working the ground.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
No swedes adrect drilled, so we just spray them. Two
days later the swedes go straight in that next grass
spray is really the timing of that. That's the absolute
key I've found. Then we use and plenty of fertilizer.
We don't usually worry about coming back in with nitrogen.
It's more the grass and weed spray that you do
about a month, well six weeks after sewing. It just depends,
(29:39):
but that's an absolute key. You just can't have the
grass or weeds competing with the swedes through the timing
of that EG spray in my opinion, with direct drilling
is yeah, absolutely key. And we're using two hundred and
fifty kilos a DAP down the spout, so plenty of
fertilizer as well, because they can't grow without fertilizer. So yeah, no,
it's it's working well for us anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So you're working on a session of Tago climate. What
are your clover covers like At the moment?
Speaker 7 (30:05):
Climate is really good. Stock are really good. It's just
sometimes we can dry out, I guess on some of
the lightest souls, we don't like it. Sometimes you can
drive if you ever coming up the hill from Etric,
you can watch the line of the dry and it
comes all the way up to Mars Flat. So you can,
especially in the summer if you go down there for
ice cream months a week and you'll just watch the
(30:26):
dry and they will just come all the way up
right up to the top of mile Flat, so you
can actually you've got about three weeks warning. I reckon
if you keep an eye on that dry line. That's
sort of a yeah week thing I do sometimes.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, so you use the excuse of an ice cream
and etric to actually go and see what the line's doing.
As far as moisture on the.
Speaker 7 (30:44):
Hills, Yeah, it did, right, Yep.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Lamb quality, we're getting up to waning season. If people
haven't weaned, it's pretty much just that time being in December,
you reckon. Lamb quality is something needs to be focused on,
given especially the way the prices have rebounded.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
We were just.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Talking there off here before. Certainly something I've been thinking about,
and I hear comments from people around the place sometimes,
you know, and talking about really getting hard into those
lambs at waning time because the price is good, you know,
going down to fifteen point five KOs sixteen kilos. And
I guess something that I'm reflecting on the eleven dollars lambs
(31:23):
schedule is that actually the most important thing is to
keep the quality of air product up in market because
if people stop buying it because it's not very good,
well what's going to happen to our price? It's actually
going to go down. So one of the things I
think we really need to focus on as farmers is
actually having to think about the consumer. And you know,
if you've got those hard lambs and I've gone off
(31:44):
and there were, but the reality is the store price
is very high and maybe they're better off going somewhere
so somebody else can fatten them up. Because yeah, I
guess that's just one thing I reflect on, you know,
as we go forward, I guess with lower sheet numbers,
we actually need to be really focused on the quality
of the product we're supplying because I know even in Australia,
(32:07):
you've been listening to some podcasts over there and they're
starting to really work on intramuscular fat and lambs and
actually Pete Garden is the one to talk to about
that next time if you're interested. But there's quite a
bit in there. But I guess when it comes back
to it's the same as a good steak. If you
see that nice marble steak and it looks good and
it's been hung well. You know, you know you're in
(32:28):
for a really good eating quality experience and you're actually
happy to pay the money to get it. But if
you have a really tough steak, you know, you might
you think to yourself, Oh no, I can actually do
something with chicken or some other protein or something else.
So I guess I'm just reflecting as far everywhere we
should all be actually thinking about that and thinking about
how every lamb if we can, that goes off their
(32:51):
farm to go and get processed, is actually you know,
you be really happy to eat it yourself. And and
I think that will just help the markets and they'll
just help you. Everyone oversees the consumer because I actually
get a great experience and like, yes, even though it's
more expensive, I will actually pay for the lamb because
I want to, you know, show other people say yeah,
something that I guess as a farmer, it's not thought
(33:12):
of very much, but it sort of needs to be.
I guess as we're going through this time of high prices.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Two things come to mind for me straight away, James.
Number one is animal genetics, thus giving you a bit
of product. But number two, like you talked about before us.
Every season is different than the lambs aren't just going
to go out sometimes the way we hope.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Yeah, absolutely, I think the modern days changed, and I actually, well, yeah,
a couple of points from me. One of them i'd
like to maybe are backing off of the the approaching
companies need to give you the market premiums as they go.
(33:52):
They don't need to change change the point compared to
how many are coming out of New Zealand, because there's
actually not a good market signal to just prashion Burnett
weaning because you know the price is going to go
down a dollar fifty just because there's plenty of lambs
here and the you know that's the process is large,
and well that's actually not good for anybody because then
people are panicking killing these lambs light or not quite
(34:14):
fat enough when they could get further. It's not optimum
for the eating experience. I guess that's just that's just
us in the processing companies, which is actually the wrong way.
We're not thinking about the consumer enough if we're doing that.
So yeah, that's certainly one thing i'd like changed. And
the other thing I think is definitely there because we've
got lower sheep numbers. It's very and there's quite a
(34:37):
lot of you know, lamb lamb fatness around the place.
I guess I don't see the store market well. I
making sure it's worth enough that it's actually better off
to take that to somebody else to make some money
off once again, and not just process it because the
process is competing to fill up their chain. It's a
bit of a roundabout way of saying that. I think
(34:58):
everyone from the farmer proceeds. So we all need to
think about the consumer more because that way everyone can
hear high prices on the way through and not just
thinking about squbbling round of New zealand putting premiums on
killing light lambs or lambs that actually aren't finished or wait,
deliver the desired eating experience.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, wise words. As always, James will leave it there.
Thanks for your time on the muster, not just today
but throughout the year. You enjoy the holiday season mates,
and we'll be in touch in twenty twenty six. Always
appreciate your time.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Thanks Andy, and I hope everyone out there, including you,
has a new year and Merry Christmas, sir, No, it's good.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Derrick Roy has a farm in the Fjordland basin. He's
wore a number of hats over the years, including being
an MP for a long time up there in Parliament
and as well recently was the chair of the New
Zealand Pork Board. And we catch up on a regular
good afternoon, Eric.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Good afternoon, sunshining into you now, a beautiful day. Can't
complain about anything.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, you were saying before, You're just going to get
on top of that tractor work.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
A good day or finish it now.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I'm poised.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I'm poised.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
So we talk about these changes to arimays that have
been proposed by Chris Bishop. You've had a little skinny
game in the game over the years here, Ick, in
more ways than one. It'll be interesting to get your
viewpoint around this. Is this going to be a good thing?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Look, I think of it leans in the right pase.
My only concern is that to get these things exactly
right takes a bit of time and quite a bit
of work, and the time frames that they put on
this might might be a bit of a handicap to
getting it exactly right. And as long as they're open
to recognizing amendments, might be the case. But you know,
(36:56):
I've said other MPs saying it takes several years get
this right, and you only need one clause that someone
can get into that will delay and hold that up.
But look, do I think it's a good idea. Yes,
we needed to have a look at it, either personally
or in things I'm associated with. I've done subdivisions and
zone changing of land and a few things, and it's
(37:19):
just a nightmare. And it's subject to so much interpretation
by someone who's trying to make a name for themselves
or that's mine you. I can't think of any other
reason why they'd be so difficult. It's just time that
we got into having a look at and sorting out
the best way forward. Look, if everybody's an agreement, why
(37:41):
should a planning officer say you can't do this, or
you need to do that, or these are our rules,
and so that stuff certainly needs to be streamlined.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
That's for short over zealous compliance officers. You are not
alone in your thinking.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Rieric.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Well, we're not naming anybody or any particular council or
territorial authorities. We're just saying there's evidence that this stuff
needed to be addressed. And I think this is a
good start. We're just going to make short lands in
the right place and if we find an anomaly, get
ready to fix it before it becomes another problem.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Because resource managment, the Resource Management Act on its own
has such a broad aspect to it as well. That's
a big thing to understand and this document is massive,
so there's only certain things that you need to understand
from a farming perspective.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Surely, well, that's true, But the Resource Management Act, I've
brought about five acts together in nineteen ninety four and
the Town and Country Planning Act and quite a few
others and address that and that needed to be done
at the time. We've now had thirty years of it,
so we need to say, well, where can it work better?
(38:52):
And that's where I think Chris Bishop has probably hit
the market. It's just saying it's time to address it.
But yeah, let's get on and do it.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Is there a case of central government but government though
being too heavy handed in its rulings for like the
regional councils to implement things well.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
This would be one of my concerns about the reforms
that have come alongside this RIMA in terms of where
the government wants to structural restructure the whole territory of
territorial authorities and regional councils, and to some degree, I
think they've found the regional councils to be a bit
(39:32):
of a possum that they want to demonize and be
a reason why growth hasn't happened as fast as it shode.
That may be the case in some places, and I'm
speaking as an individual hean not as my counselor had
in the regional council. But if you look at Southland,
it's absolutely unique in the country. There isn't another regional
(39:52):
area that has the same issues. We've got three angry
rivers that can flood the wire of the Mantowa and
the area. You've got another couple we have Marima and
the Macariva that can do that. We've got the longest
coastline of any regional council in the country and there's
two national parks bordering those. We've got all these things
(40:15):
to manage. They've got one hundred thousand people and so
I don't think the local mayors want us to buy
into this and say, you know, we can do this job.
So actually having a unity council that's controlled by a
board of mayas. I think we need to go back
and have another look at that and see if that's
(40:35):
the best way to do it. And from Southern's point
of view, we're head of the government on this. We've
got the Local Government Commission having a look at South
and then saying, well, what do we need here? Is
the unitary council going to be the way? What's the structure?
How many territorial authorities do we need? And I just
hope and that's going to be an occasion where there's
(40:57):
absolute consultation with every sector of South and business, EWE,
ecological whatever. They're all going to have a say in
that with the Local Government Commission. And I just hope
that mister Bishop lets that process run before he comes
out and says no, a board of me is and
now going to run this.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Well, perhaps this is the opportunity to revamp the whole
council structure as well, given that over two hundred elected
officials to local government got their jobs recently without having
any to have to go do any campaigning of the
likes we're including mayors around the country. So Jaguman is there.
We need to streamline this for unnecessary costs.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Oh look, I think that's that's absolutely right. And to
some extent, they've also been cost plus industries and some
of the government has loaded onto them and things that
they have to do, and then you need to pack
that up with science and that employees small people, and
so the ratepayer has been the one who's had.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
To fund all this.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
And then there needs to be a bit of a regress,
and I say, put it on the table. Let's have
a look. Let's see what is the best way that
we can do this and protect people's property rights, their
health and anything else that needs to happen in what
the role of those territorial authorities and regional councils. Let's
have a look at it. I'm not frightened at doing that, but.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
It's interesting too. We looked at a farming viewpoint regarding
resource consents or just the consenting process in general, making
it easier for farming just to exist, because that is
what is needed to happen for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Oh look, and I think I certainly think that this
coalition understands that the figures for exporting for the last
year one one hundred billion and sixty billion of that
was from primary industry. That is our business and we
have to facilitate that. While we recognize that the environment
(42:58):
has to be managed and look after, but let's get
on and help those people. And when you see some
of the things that are coming and now hold her
and a whole range of things there that just open
to us, and we need to be able to say,
let's have a look at how we can do the
whole thing better. And my expectation is that that percentage
(43:19):
of sixty per exports is going to increase. The other
thing I'd say is this supposing I had but there's
a very high net in what is New Zealand and
what we export primary from primary production. If you've got
a manufacturing invasion, importing molding and raw materials and everything else,
agriculture is basically just a bit of fert and add water.
(43:43):
And so there's a very high net in that sixty
billion that we export, much much higher than the other
forty percent that has high inputs on imports into it
before it's really you know, remodified and exported.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Just finally, Eric, how would you look at the past
twelve months from a farming perspective.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, I think we've seen a redressing of the fact
that meat proteins have not been in the same kind
of role that they traditionally have. Look, I've been farming
since ID nineteen sixty five on and off, and traditionally
milk powder and red meat proteins have been within ten
(44:28):
percent of each other, and milklowder got away ahead and
that brought some changes to the way in which countrysides work.
But now that looks like and I'm hoping that we've
hit a new plateau and we can all work forward
on that. So it's been great to see that the
part of agriculture that is kind of struggling is the
(44:51):
arable sector. They've had increased costs, but there hasn't been
an increase in their products. So those guys, they'll be
looking for a good Christmas and a good New Year.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Last night I had the street Rikkroiz. You're wrapping up
the best of the muster. Enjoy the weekend. I'll catch
you on Monday for the final week of the muster
on Hokanui for twenty twenty five. Get off, take a
bit of time to connect this weekend. See you Monday.
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