October 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Andy Muir talks to Rob Scott, Dean Rabbidge, Eric Roy, Phil Duncan and Riley Kennedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last night I had this stream a very good morning.
Welcome into the best of the muster. My name's Andy Muller.
This is a collaboration of interviews that took her interest
during a busy week here at Hokkanui HQ.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Starting off the hour with.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Rob Scott, re elected South and District Council Mayor, telling
us all about what he hopes to achieve in his
next three years in office. Dean Ravage Farms at Glenna
talks about farmer missions the government's come out in the
last week, saying that the targets need to meet that
need to be met regarding farmer missions have changed. Dean
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says it's a good start, but has it gone far enough.
Eric Roy talks about the passing of Jim Bolger, which
occurred during the week now. Eric was involved with the
National government in the nineties when Jim Bolder was Prime
Minister and tells us about the legacy that Jim leaves
of the New Zealand political landscape. Phil Dunkeet of Web
(01:00):
looks at the weather for the next seven days down
here in South and Look it's been a real basket
case of a spring.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We ask for what happens going into the future.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is there any o our Nnia as such on the
horizon and just what we're going to see over the
next seven days is people try and get the tailing done,
get the groundwork opened.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Up quite a bit to entail.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And Riley Kennedy from Business Desk looking ahead to the
Alliance decision which is happening on Tuesday regarding the proposed
restructure that includes dawn meets from Ireland. So without further ado,
we start the best of the muster with Rob Scott.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Drag Me.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Rob Scott has been re elected as a south In
District Council Mare for a second term with a comprehensive
victory in the local body elections over the weekend and
joins us this afternoon. Good afternoon, and firstly, congratulations on
your re election.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Good afternoon, Andy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You must be pretty toughed, especially with the margin that you.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Had, yeh don't Yeah, but better than the thirty nine
that I got the last time, and a lot of
the result was a lot quick as at this time
as well, So yeah, I'm really really stuck and quite humble.
Next week it's a good result, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Gary Tyng of course, previo yourself and distant council here
before yourself only forty five votes separating three candidates in
twenty twenty two. This time though, so far four thy
seven hundred and twenty six is a difference between yourself
and Gary.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What do you put it down to?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, I sort of joked about it begging my performnch
of you over the last of the six weeks, and
I mean addictively it was. And I've worked very hard
for South London. It's comforting to kind of see that
that's I guess been recognized and I've got the support
of the community, so it's yeah, it's I'm very.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Happy talking about voted turnout. It's a concern all over
the show. What do you put it down to? Is
it just fatigue regarding local body politics?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I can't work it out, and I think it's
something that I've basically written down. It's one of the
things to work on to try and get rid of
that empathy and that fatigue. I mean, the government haven't
helped and sort of getting the big stick out and
turning us into a bit of a I guess the
whipping boy kind of thing. But I think I mean
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I spoke to a few people. I spoke to someone
sort of in that last week and I said to her,
have you voted? And she said, oh, no, not yet
voting all the election stage yea, And I haven't missed
one yet, but I was sort of left right to
the last minute, and she's sort of forgotten about it.
So I think that, I mean, the postal system no
one and I can't. We don't check them out, but
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very open at home, and then we don't really get
much mail, so that that's part of the problem, I think.
But also, yeah, we need to do something. As a
sector thirty percent, I think they're national average at thirty percent.
That's not very good and interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You're talking about the rural posts and the likes.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's one of the things that's pretty contentious for a
lot of people at the moment.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, no, it is. It's sometimes changes for the better,
sometimes changes for the worst. But it's it fascinates me
how we've got further and further ahead in time and
technology and increase, but sometimes the services don't stay in
there and the reliability of those sorts of things. So yeah,
it's our rural communities are very important and we've got
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them actual that we can communicate with them properly, and
I think sometimes and I mean it's one of the
things that we focus on. We have to deal with
as Southland district, where decisions get made in the cities
in Wellington, let's forget about how the rest of the
world that actually keeps the country going operates. So, you know,
it's one of the challenges of case.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Are you hopeful for a one hundred percent so our
coverage rate in Southland given that the talcos don't really
It's the year twenty twenty five and certain parts of
the south Southern coast will exist.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh, most definitely to make me more productive of my role.
I can tell you most of the patters and southand
where the phone receipment runs out and I'm trying to
sort of have conversations while I'm driving around, and yeah,
it's pretty abrid so it would definitely be it's good
to see Vodaphone. Well sorry One New Zealand now keep
talking about Vodaphone, but One New Zealand having that satellite
kind of coverage. I think that's going to help as
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it progresses. But it's something that needs to happen. It's, yeah,
very important for rural people to take connected.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So what are your priorities for this term?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Rob, We'll carry on carry on doing the best of
South and Looking. We've got such a great council, the
community's pot forward, a good grouping of sixty nine elected
members to work with, so we've got a few things
that we're going to carry on working on. Roading is
definitely the big one for us. I've got to finish
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that roading, funding journeys that have been under the government,
and get some equity across there, and building up our
local democracy acrius all of our towns and getting them strong.
The reorganization is certainly going to dominate them in the background,
but there's other stuff to sort of work on at
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the same time as that as well. And we've got
such a great district. Big things around the airport that
we're still going to be working on, the studile and electricity.
It's progressing nicely. So there's a few big projects. But
I guess just for me, it's strengthening that local democracy
with our community boards and our great team that we're
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going to have around the table.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You use that term local democracy, just explain it in
a bit more detail.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So we've got.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Nine community boards spread around southern district, so we've actually
got we're we're quite a unique council with sixty nine
elective members, which some people see as a bit of
a challenge, but I see that as a as a
real great lengths and getting our decisions made totally and
that kind of local governance and local scrutiny over how
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they may pay money get spent. It's a much better
way of doing it and it's I think one of
the great strengths that we have here in southwind.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You talk before about rural roads.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Of course we've got one of the biggest roading networks
in the country. Can we actually see a time and
a place where our roads are set up to a
satisfactory stand And I mean you drive between the Cargo
and Gore for example, for being State in Highway one,
it's diabolical in places like some of the eden Dale
earl it's unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, it's quite having a conversation with someone over the
weekend about that. And I actually said, and our roading
team might give me a clip around the ears for this,
but if we can get the equitible roading funding, because
State Highway is actually worse than our council managed roads
and if we could get appropriate funding, we could actually
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look after the state highways as well and keep to
the same standards we've got our other road Donald. Some
people might argue that our roads aren't that good, but
they are relative to the to other parts of the country,
they're pretty good. We've got a good team there that
are running on the smell of an all the rags.
So if we can get that funding up, yeah, maybe
we could look after the government roads too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But do we need to compare ourselves to the rest
of the country or due respect. We need to stay
what works best for us totally.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And that's that's what I've been in the conversation I've
been having with the politicians is don't punish us because
we're good. This is we are contributing to the rest
of the country where that huge export contribution that we
make from our royal sector, and we need that investment
in our roads, and yeah, we shouldn't be compared to
the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And all your right GDP figures for Tiger South and
Datelin now as well the other Isshue you talked about
council amalgamation. We've seen the debarkle over the weekend over
two hundred councilors or meres for that matter, and elected
an opposed throughout the country.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You're going to be pushing this agenda.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, well, I launched I like the word amount of nation.
I prefer the word reorganization. But having launched it what
eight months ago, now it's an important piece. I think
it comes down to it. We're talking about it at
the start as well. We've got apathy out there. If
we've only got in the late thirty percent, five to
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forty percent of the people, I think Gord did quite
well getting across safety, but that shouldn't be a celebration.
When you get to fifty percent, we should be getting
eighty percent voted tearing out. So we're need to get
our system for for purpose and touching on that local
democracy piece that I talked about as well, that's that's
the part where we can actually make this work really well.
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Celebrating our community boards, having those people that are there,
they're not there for the money, they don't get paid
very well for it, so they clearly there for the
right reason. But getting that grassroots democracy happening, so you
still got really good representation, but taking away all the
overheads and the burden of having four councils to get
all the work done. So I think there's a very
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important piece of work to have a lot there and
the system that we're operating and has been there since
nineteen eighty nine, it is time to change and that
might actually help with some of those Those are the
issues that we're having.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So what's the ultimate goal for you regarding this? Perhaps
in three years time this is all go Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Hopefully the Local Government Commission's working on at the moment.
I have felt that the proposal of the two unitary
authorities coming out that it's my favorite, but it's important
now for the community to have the essay. So the
proposal has been launched this I guess the process has started,
but they're very important part now the community to have
a voice and have a say and I would like
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to see the new system in place the next election.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Rob Scott re elected South and District Council. We always
appreciate your time in the muster. Congratulations once again.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Thanks Andy, much appreciated.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
This is the master around hok and newis Dean Ravage
Farms at Glenham and joins us once again good afternoon.
It's been a niffy week or two of weather Dino
since we last caught up. Are you seeing a little
bit more blue sky or is it just a case
of a continuation of the last week?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Good afternoon, Andy. Look, now things haven't proved a lot,
haven't they.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Really.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Days are getting longer and a few more sunshine airs,
so yeah, but more heat going around, especially every weekend.
It was nice and it doesn't take long for Pettis
to green up a little bit and and Liams and
News to sit down and enjoy it. Really, so it's
you know, taken and it's quendible.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So you've had a bit of a tinge grow up
come out through the ground.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, we have. It's a dee shadow green now, which
is needed because the levers done obviously get the passion
to their diet as well. So yes, of just juggling
Pettis around making sure they're all stocked accordingly. And yeah,
things are going reasonably okay for.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The middle of October. There you kind of expect the
grass to be growing.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Right, Yeah, well shouldn't we shouldn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, tailing, we were all right, went, well.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
We've only done the one day and the terminal the bus.
So yeah, there seems to be enough there always appedictor
for some reason, aren't we But yeah, early early figures
in the cat we should be on path, not a
wee bit better than than last year, and last year
was one of their best ones. So you'll just see
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what happens in another sort of fortnight when we when
we kill everything else right.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Up, Now, you've got to change that terminology for the years.
I've told you this before, that A and the B mobs.
You can't use it in this day and age.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
D oh. Yeah, so I've got the capitalists and the socialist.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Just some of your best work. I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hey, look, it's been an interesting weekend as well, of course,
as missing target, the government's come out saying look, we
need to recorrect this, going from a target to twenty
fifty have been twenty four to forty seven percent reduction
to a more realistic target of fourteen to twenty four percent.
But on top of that as well, Nestley pulling else
as a dairy messane Action Alliance whatever that means.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yes' been quite a productive weekend as far as that
sort of announcement goes. For the burial sector obviously, as
zero percent target would be the ulpha go on. I
think it'd be everybody's preferred position. But we've got what
we've got though, when you look at it in a
bit more context, I think twenty seventeen, which they're using,
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is the base you we've already seen a ten percent reduction,
and from what I understand the figures that I've been shown,
that only leaves us for another four percent to reduce
them the next twenty five years. So I could be
precated on that, but if you look at it lot that,
I think we'll get there quite easily with a bit
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of natural attrition unfortunately, and with some land use chain.
So it's pretty good as good as a zero target
really if you want to look at all of that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But it's certainly a change from twenty twenty two from
the Duran government. Just looking at a piece of paper
this morning from back then talking about a five year
pricing pathway which is to be established from this year
twenty twenty five going out to twenty thirty. Certainly a
change what the government wants to achieve.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, Like it just shows you how God we care
with my words here here, how much of a waste
of time and effort and money both taxpayer and industry
money were spent on Hewrokeric and are chasing this mythical targets. Yeah,
so hopefully we can see the end of e grazero
as well, which is also spending a lot of industry
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money and producer money that could be used for some
really tangible environmental enhancements on farm rather than these biological
methane inhabitants that which is just going to create another
cost and a lot of unproven science there as well.
So hopefully this reduction targets and nests they're doing what
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they've done or see. Well, I've obviously seen the end
of Hiwaka Canal, which is fantastic, and hopefully this personally
we see the end of EGO zero as well.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Now, Tesco, which is the biggest buyer of New Zealand
products in Britain, they wanted all their products to be
environmentally accredited and reaching the zero across their entire supply
chain by twenty fifty. I await to see what Tesco
comes out with as a result of this in due course.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, I think once they realized that the consumers are
going to have to start paying a lot more for
their product if they want to reach these targets they're
sort of loft. The ambitions might be redressed as well, hopefully.
I know you've I've heard it on your show and
before that. Everybody sort of starts buying their food within
the environmentalists head on, but as soon as they get
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to the check out, they become an economist. So I think, yeah,
the cost of all this is actually going to start
to really have an impact on things.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, it's the cost of living crisis, and it is
that when you go to the supermark and do the
weekly shop. Gees we as a comparison the other day
on a brand of biscuit twelve months.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Ago, probably two dollars, two dollars twenty at most now.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Up to about three dollars thirty three dollars forty. That's
just one item, and so your shop's gone that by
an average I don't know, seven or eight percent over
the last eighty months. And that's just at a guess,
and I'm probably too low.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yeah, as you get a fight when you go to
the checkouts now, like a lot of people, well most
people that probably listening the Royal Seeker we're very fortunate
that we're probably able to supply a lot of our
own meat that we can grow on farm. I really, yeah,
we're very fortunate that position. But I wouldn't like to
have to be back paying for it at the checkout
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along with everything else that seems to have gone up significantly. Yeah,
it's not only the price has gone up, but I
think the packet sizes have also got a lot smaller
as well. They had double edged sword.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, oh, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You go and buy products and everything's just seemed to
have shrunk and they've changed the packaging and they just
try and justify the rest now behind the changes.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
If only we could get paid more for smaller lambs,
would be in the winner, wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
We That'd be great, just getting paid all over the board.
But this is a positive, This is a great positive.
Will continues to go under a week in one direction,
and it's not the band either. It's talking about going upwards.
I mean at the Cavery sale, the christ chur At
sale last week, going up a potential of thirty two
cents once again.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah, I even say that we'll spiked in the UK
as well. Which is up over a pound twenty a
kado as well. So yeah, like that's really exciting for
strong Wall secret it's obviously been the leg out of
all their basket of goods that we supply probably the
last thirty years really though, hasn't it, to be honest?
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So yeah, to be more than cavern production cost of
harvesting and production cost. Now it's putting it a a
really good position again. So it's good to see and
hopefully it's for all the right right reasons. It's for
it's extributes rather than just to diminishing supply.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, it's like Jamie McKay mentioned a wee while ago
ten dollars for meat, ten dollars for Wall, ten dollars
for milk.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That'll be a good outcome.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Oh yeah, take that end day of the week, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
A little bit of sport because we can MPC a
Tago by a Planie cam Miller go aboard and rebel
claim him out there doing the demos for a Targo
over Wayhaddow just on the verge of extra time and
Kennerbury playing Hawks Bay in the other game at Tago
Bay a plenty.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Whoever wins this game, I hope they win the whole.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Col Yeah, well hopefully it's Tigo really don't we Yeah,
I'm being high in as partner like that, but gee
at disappointed not to see Counties get overline against Kenworth.
Think everybody in the country would have been happy about
that one. Yeah, it's an exciting fuddy for semi final stuff.
It's been throwing around lot and even the TARNECKI Hawk's
Bay game. I thought Tarne had done by TMO dislowing well.
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I thought it was a reasonably obvious try in the
last sort of ten minutes that we've brought them back
with them seven, it would have made it quite a
green Stead finished as well. So yeah, the semi finals
can live up to the quarterfinals. Went for a good weekend,
Ropey next weekend too, and.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Betha Is yesterday you took a keen interest in.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I mean, how could you not watch that theater play out,
especially over the last forty five minutes.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Oh yeah, don't Australia do sport well, just.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The they do it so bloody well commentary and everything
that resonates with the less than the watcher.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
No, it was, it was fantastic. Yeah, it was put
on the TV here and well all day yesterday and
you sort of pop laying it a few jobs and
come back and see what was going on. And then
when the rain started, I thank everybody was they had
a dry seat. Was pretty heavy to watch to see
that happening to those jobs are Bay scale forward. Yeah,
it was quite exciting. Finishing a kevy to get over
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the line is even better.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Absolutely good on your day and always appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Welcome back to the muster, Eric Croi, as a former
MP and of anybody who has qualified to talk about
the life and times of the late Jim Bolgier, former
Prime Minister of New Zealanders. Eric he served under him
with a labor with sorry National government fraudient slipped there
Eric in the nineteen nineties and joined us this afternoon
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just to talk about Jim Bolger and being a politician
and as a person as well.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Eric.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Good afternoon, said news coming out of Jim Bulger's household
over the past couple of days.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, he had been in very poor health I understand,
and kidney failure and he was on permanent dialozing and
this quality of life was some great So it's said
that he's gone, but yeah, he was in a position
of some suffering as well, so in some ways it's
a bit of a release.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Now he was a leader of the first MMP government
in New Zealand. How would you describe him as a politician.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well, he's an interesting guy. I think he was quite
innovative and quite courageous in many ways. And there's probably
about four reasons I could say that when he went
in in ninety ninety. I actually didn't join government till
ninety three. And you remember that we had the rod
genomics and the reforms and David Longe has said time
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for a cup of tea, and they weren't completed, and
Jim Bolgia the first thing he did was said, well,
we're going to finish these reforms and got into the
areas that the previous labor government hadn't touched, the labor
market and all of those things, and he carried that
on at some political cost. But New Zealand I believe
is in a much better place because that he actually
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did that. And then the next things that he actually
did was the first coalition government and that was brought
about because he said heng on our voting system isn't
that fair and it's predominantly party hart kind of an
arrangement in parliament. So he put a Royal Commission in
place to look at options. He didn't say we should
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have m MP, but he put the commission in place
which put up four options, which in ninety three we
voted on and subsequently the yeah is MP the what
is it?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
There was four answers, fraudy and slipped.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
The MMP was brought in and then he organized the
coalition governments. Interestingly, and the other thing that he started
was three settlements and that was good. And another illustration
of his negotiating skill when he went in in ninety
three with the government that the government had a one
seat majority, which when you were at that stage you
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had to appoint a speaker, and the speaker didn't vote
because he sat there when there was a vote ice
the right knows to the left tell us this and
he couldn't vote. So that effectively left a government that
was stalled because didn't have a majority. So he put
Peter Tapsill from Labor and a speaker and to be
able to continue on. So I think he was quite
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innovative and quite courageous in some of the things that
he did as as a leader on the party, I
would say, and I'm set under a few of them.
In my eighteen years. He was easily the most inclusive
in the way that he ran caucus. Some of his
caucuses were quite lengthy that he got criticism for, but
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everybody was important in caucus, and at times he'd say
when the minister brought up, this is what you what
we're going to do, and if there was a bit
of kickback in caucus, they go away and do some
more work. We're not ready for the shed. And I
found them to be probably the best chairman of the
board if the caucuses the board while I was actually there.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Now, when MMP came into fruition, were you an opponent
of it? Because I remember the vote came out, what's
the four options? Like you say, what was the consensus
throughout the government at the time leading into it?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, well, I think I think most of those in
the would have voted against it, particularly on the right.
I was probably a supporter of single transferable vote STV
at the time, recognizing that we needed to have a
system that was a bit more inclusive. But I think
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was third or even might have been fourth, So I
say that was the thinking men's option. So I certainly
didn't vote for EMMP. Yeah, that's that's the sure. Interestingly,
in my first term, another feature of Jim Balgia I
was made a whip after I'd been there eight months
because of the era ofjudgment by the whipped at the time.
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And then the next thing that happened shortly after that,
while I was still learning the ropes, United Future broke
out with four Nationals and three Labor and the government
had lost its majority again, but they did give what's
called confidence and supply, which is, yeah, we'll support the
money going through. And in the course of that time
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that they were there, because they were building a bit
of momentum, we actually lost five votes. And when when
the government loses the vote, the whip has to go
and offer the resignation. And the first time that happened,
I said, I can't whip these United Duty people. It's
not my fault. And yeah, he accepted that. And by
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the time it had happened four or five times and
didn't even report, I just probably texted them and said
that happened again. Couldn't change it, and he was very
understanding of that particular situation.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I'll take you back to his first term as prime
and a Certa nineteen ninety, a landslide victory, like you say,
the bearest of margins. What changed for the government though,
for things to change the way they did on a
political landscape.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, well, I think it's been a lot of comparisons
made as to what the government had to do then
and to what it should be doing now. And they
took the cold Turkey approach and said right, we'll do this,
and then almost lost the next election. In fact, we
waited for Alec Neil in Whytaki to win on specials
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before we even had that one seat majority. And I
think this particular government that we've got now has been
much more cautious about taking the hard medicine. So I think,
you know, history has a few lessons and there are
some people out there now that went through the more
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had care approach to the early nineties to saying that's
how we should do it. Now, let's deal with it
and get it over and done with, rather than pushy
foot around and try and maintain public support and not
do anything. So you know, that's probably the conundrum that
sits on top of the government.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now, it's interesting you mentioned Alec Neil MP for White Techie.
He took out Jim Sutton who was a Minister of
Agriculture leading into that election. And just do we byline
two the labor leaders Mike Moore took over from Sir
Jeffrey Palmer. And the reason I remember that is because
when I was at school, was in mess or something
one day and I was board, so I wrote a
letter to Jeffrey Palmer asking him why he's just being
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so negative towards the rural sector and blow me down.
He actually replied and signed the letter back as well,
So I just as so I remember that time.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I think Jeffrey Palmer was a superb intellect, but I
think his legacy was beefing up the Select Committee so
that all of the legislation then had to go to
Select Committee for public submission. And so while we're a
unicameral house, we don't have another house, we just have
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one house. We have the strongest Select Committee process in
the world that actually deals with reports and bills and
all of that stuff. So I think that's his legacy.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Hey, Eric, will leave it there.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
We know you're in transit, but we do appreciate time
as always and great to hear about Jim Bolga, Risdom peace.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yep absolutely being a good man for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Plessy Legames. I've promised myself I won't do that again.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's got to And before we rip up for the
weekend on the muscle, let's catch up with Full Duncan
out of Willowatch from the cow Sick Groves, A fear ground,
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a fear ground attraction to the rage of vladismurras It
Phil Duncan, Welcome to Friday.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
What a great intro. Thank you very much, and yes,
yeah it's Friday.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm hoping the weather matches the mood. What have we got?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Well, you know, it is still spring, so it's still
up and down. But you know it's still as bad
as it could be. But I'm trying to put a
positive spin on it because it's still it is still
a bit wet and a bit cold at times. We've
still got you know, highs and lows all coming through
at the moment. So the downside is that, yes, there's
more wet weather coming, which I think you're a bit
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tired of. And we're still not done with the cold nights.
Yet as well in some cooler days. So on the
positive side of all of that is that from a
big picture point of view, look the whole country, we
are seeing a lot of the windy weather and the
cold weather sink further and further southwards. But of course
you've been the southernmost region, you're still in the thick
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of it to some degree, but it is changing. We
are seeing as from a nationwide point of view, and
not just here. From an Australian point of view as well,
they are seeing some heat sinking south woods. It's going
to be thirty three degrees in Sydney today, probably thirty
five out in Paramatta in the west, and then they've
got that again on Monday, so like its properly going
into summer, but even Australia is still getting bursts of cold,
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wintery weather. So from a big picture point of view,
we are doing all the right things as we slide
towards summer. But for Southland it still means some rain
showers and a lot of wind coming from the west,
which means the temperatures are flash They're not hot, they're
not cold, but they're kind of still in that middle
ground where you've got a number of days coming up
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with daytime high between sort of twelve to thirty degrees,
so not hot or warm like maybe some other areas
the country are.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
We're getting a couple of days where the temperatures of
beautiful mid to late teens. We've got blue skies. But
it's two days in a row. When are we going
to see a hat trick?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yeah, I think we might be having to wait until
the very end of the month or going into November.
What we're seeing, actually the Labor weekend is a fair
bit of high pressure moving across the country and so
Southland at this stage doesn't look too bad. The air
pressure is going up a week that weekend as well,
and further northwards there's a lot of high pressure moving
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into New Zealand, so that's a bit of a change.
So if you're heading away for the long weekend, there
might be some good news. But yeah, at the moment,
what's happening is we don't really have the high pressure
zones over the top of you. They're running over the
north of New Zealand, and then in the coming week
they'll track a little further into the North Island. So
there is an improvement, But because on the edges of
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it's still not quite yet seeing a big improvement. In fact,
there could be a rain event next week with maybe
thirty millimeters coming through as we go through. What day
was that Wednesday? Around about dead So we're not completely
out of the woods yet, but we are, as I say, overall,
seeing some improvements.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Are the ones going to be south westerly or are
we going to be sticking with these northwesters least at
least with northwesterlies as warmer.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Yeah, there's a lot of westerlies in the flow. Pretty
much every window enge and of every day has a
w with it. But some days it might be like
today it's a north northwesterly, which is basically a normally
to northwesterly. Tomorrow it's westerly, Sunday's westerly, Monday northwester again,
and then as we go through Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it
is a west to northwest Wind's a lot of westerlies
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in there. And you know, like I say, temperatures, daytime
temperatures today is the warmest day of the next week,
whether around eighteen degrees or so, but the weekend thirteen
to fifteen degrees, and then next week eleven to thirteen
degrees right through until next weekend, and the overnight lows
tonight to mild night ten degrees is the overnight low,
but tomorrow night down to two, so we might see
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some light frost around. It won't be very much late.
The frosts are pretty much disappearing now, but they're possible
white bit of frost here and there. And as we
go into next week, a lot of overnight lows sort
of seven to eight degrees, six degrees, and then next
weekend a bit colder again, down to three or four.
So it's not brutal, it's not really mild. It's just
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in that middle ground, really, which is what October really is.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So what you're saying is the second half of spring
is going to be a continuation of what we've seen.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Unfortunately, well it might be.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
To begin with, but I'm still holding up a bit
of hope for what November brings us. I keep saying
this that you know, we've been in the same weather
pattern since about the middle of August, so we've had
a couple of months now of a fairly relentless weather pattern.
So that's kind of textbook in some ways. So when
you get to November, usually a little bit of energy
comes out of the weather that we're getting and we
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get a bit more high pressure moving through. So that's
the thing I'm looking for at about a week's time
from now, or maybe a little bit just after labor weekends,
trying to work out what is November looking like, because
that helps shape what we're going to be seeing going
into December. So that's what I'll be looking for in
about a week's time, So hopefully when we talk next week,
although maybe it just might be after labor weekend to
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kind of work out what is November's were a pattern,
because that is going to be a critical sort of
component to working out what is summer looking like at
this stage, and it's too early to see what some
is looking like this year because we've got, as I said,
classic spring going on. We've got the southern stratospheric warming
over Antarctica, which has just made us spring a little
more westerly driven, a little more spring like. And then
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on top of that, we've got a weak Lanninia trying
to form up in the tropics, and so there are
a few different moving parts, and sometimes when you've got
a lot of moving parts, like that you end up
with just a really normal weather pattern over the top
of us. So it's a little tricky to work out
sometimes in our location on Earth long range stuff, But
that's what we're looking for later next week is what
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is the first half of November looking like and will
there finally be a change to what we've had for
the last two months.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
A week Ladininia as a Latininian, nonetheless it is, but.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Again it's measured at the tropics, and we're halfway from
the tropics to Antarctica, so if it's a week Landinia,
it may not even really affect us this far south.
So that's why the southern stratospheric warming over Antarctica this
year is making a bit of a difference, because if
it's going to make those westerly stronger, then Larninia's easterlies
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may not really be felt. They might get bulldozed away
by the westerly circling the Southern Ocean in the New
Zealand area. So that's why there are a few moving parts,
and at some point one of those might win. But
a week Lardinia sometimes doesn't do anything at all to
New Zealand, so it's not necessarily going to drive in
a big change to us, not yet anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So I kind of weather watch. We always appreciate your
time on The Master. One whose maybe it's the reason you.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Can for yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Welcome back to the Master. Riley Kennedy joins us out
of business desk. He's been all over this proposal regarding
Dawn Meats and Alliance. Of course it comes to a
head this Monday, Riley, good afternoon, Monday is d Day.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Very good ass. No, yes, it is at the Scott
Hotel and the V Cargo. It's been a long process
to get to this point, but we're nearly there.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's been a long process, and it's been a messy process,
if we're honest.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it hasn't been the most cleanest process.
But I don't think, I mean, the Alliance board would
would tell you that this isn't their preferred option. They've
been very clear all along that they didn't want to sell. Ultimately,
it was it's the banks of that that are running
the show. You know, they're not running it entirely, but
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that they have the ultimate say and they want me
money back, which is fair enough, and they they have
to pay back the one hundred and eighty eight million
or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
So based on what you've seen, right, it's just how
detrimental would have been to the meat industry and to
the meat industry if it's a no vote.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Yeah, well some I would say that a no vote
is probably good, you know, take out excess capacity. But
also you've got to look at it from an industry
when if we sell all more, most of our red
meat goes overseas, right, we pride ourselves on having grant
said meat. If we can't run a process or and
a process of falls into some sort of insulty process,
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it's not exactly a great look for us on the
world stage. And you just don't want i mean being
solventy in the stream. Sure the nice people, but you
don't want them running out process including New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Do you ultimately can they survive a no vote in
your opinion.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Well, they've got to pay back the money and then
they have to pay back the working GEFT facility, so
that that is the ultimate and that will ultimately end
up in the bank's handy. If there's a no vote,
that the banks are in charges of Tuesday essentially and
they'll be running the show that they have the ultimates
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say they could put blunt up so they could though
they could do anything they're like within reason, they could
put it into receivership. As of Tuesday, it's up to
them that they They've got a deadline of nineteen December
to get the money in and be paid that ultimately,
whatever happens, if the no vote is.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Up to then there's a concern around Dawn Meats as well.
But this can just be viewed as a short term
fax year.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
You could have said that about Shanghai Nailing or Bright
Meat and silver and Farms. I mean, Dawn Meats are
pretty sharp operators in the UK. I don't know them.
I don't know them at all, but ultimately the other one,
they're the only ones right now with a credible offer
on the table to pay the money that there is
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the end goal or the bottom line of this is
that they need that money to be repaid.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Right And do you think there's still hope for a
remat super cooperative collaboration between likes of Silver Ferns and Alliance.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Well, I mean there there's a lot of talk in
the industry about how all the processes need to work together,
but I mean, nobody's put their hand.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Up to do it.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Just get then they're all open to working together, but
no one actually seems to get round the table. And
if they start working together too much, then you sort
of fall into Cartel concerns with the Commis Commission. So
I think it's it's a very interesting position that we're
in and I think the next few years at a
process level, it's going to be really interesting to see
it or wash it out. And if you read the
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Independent Northerington report that Northington Partners did on the alliance,
still it lays out very clearly that New Zealand has
too many an excess capacity, particularly in cheap net processing.
There's in South Finds, there's m At the moment, you know,
I can think about five ofs of my head, I
was looking at the mat the other we have nearly
fifty five processing plants in New Zealand and we've we've
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got half the ship that we did twenty years.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Ago, and that's a great concern going forward as well. Riley.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
A lot of shareholders I've spoken to us saying egos
need to be left at the door. We need to
fix the industry.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think that there's there's obviously right this.
There's a lot of emotion about the about the last
farmer owned, fully farmer owned cooperative being sold. But at
the end of the day, I think everyone just wants
to be paid a good price and when they stopped collected,
and whether that's owned by a foreign company, it's owned
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by a New z own company, or it's owned by farmers,
you know, I think they're those concerns probably need to
be left at the door now and work out a
credible way forward, because you don't want the last man's standing,
you don't want to be you don't want receivers in
all New zealandery meat processes, which I'm not saying that's
going to happen, but it's just a terrible scenario, particularly
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at a time when fund get prices at record levels.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
The so called wait KaiA five of their counter offer.
Was this too little, too late, like maybe six to
twelve months ago, This might have been a bit more credible.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
Perhaps, Yeah, again, you need the bank support, which they
don't have. And so it's all very well and good
coming out with this proposal, and I'm more than entitled
to him to do this, but you ultimately need the
bank support so and then the meetings in five days.
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So they should have done this twelve months ago when
the alliance's issues have not come around in the past
six weeks. I saw it being called as a credible
option the other day. I mean it is, but the
net profit TIG is of one hundred and fifty million.
I mean that it was just quite frankly, in my opinion,
it's just bizarre. I mean, we've never seen a processor
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at that level of profitability, unless for in the last
five years. I think Self and Farms actually might have
greeted at level in twenty twenty two, but then they've
reported two losses. So it's just I mean, they're more
than entitled to do that, but they should have done
it twelve months ago when there was more time.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Okay, Riley, if you're a bidding man, would you have
the yard set at one eighty seven?
Speaker 7 (42:20):
Either way, I would, I wouldn't want to say, but
I think the crucial thing is is that people have
got to vote. You know, there's a bit of talk
at the moment about and people aren't going to vote.
I mean, at the end of the day, shareholders own
the company as their company, and so in my opinion
would be you've just got to go out and vote
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and then don't let it turn out like the local
elections and have a turnout of thirty nine percent or something.
Equipment would actually fail if it was that level. But
I think the crucial thing is either way, if you
support it or not, you've just got to go and vote.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Just finally, Riley, there's been a bit of uphaval at
the top routes of PGG.
Speaker 7 (43:00):
It's them yes, this this is this is this hugely interesting.
I mean PGG writ from have had their governance issues
for a while. You know, every now and again there's
something that just sort of happens. But I was flying
to a cargole on on Tuesday and their annual meeting
was it was in christ Church and I thought, I'm
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not going to watch their annual meeting. You know, they
seemed to have sort of theirshes out. The land is
named the Cargo and the famous blowing up and Agria
the largest shareholder and Elders which people will be familiar with.
It's the South Australian Real Service as firm had had
turned on Gary Moore the chair and Sarah Brown the
deputy chair from from them the cargo and voted them out.
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The just complete shop turned on them.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Why is that? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Nobody?
Speaker 7 (43:49):
Nobody really knows. There's two days on. There was a
statement to the insidets from Agria about an hour ago
which said, you know, we see this as an opportunity
to refresh the board. But they've Nobody has given any
light as to why they've done with Gary Moore than
our former chair job. He's jobless. He met with Alan
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l of Akria on Friday and Alan said you're doing
a great job. You know we'll support you and don't
expect any surprises. And apparently the meeting in christ which
was very bland is how Gary described it. He was
working hard to even extract questions from the floor. Then
he went off, I think, had a cap of tea
and had a tap on the shoulder telling him that
he'd been voted out.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And you said, Riley Kennedy of Business Desk, wrapping up
the best of the muster, thanks for your company.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
My name's Andy Muher. Enjoy the weekend. Hopefully the weather
sorts itself outset of the later. I'm sure it will right.
It takes some time to get off and we'll see
you Monday, one o'clock
Last night I had this stream a very good morning.
Welcome into the best of the muster. My name's Andy Muller.
This is a collaboration of interviews that took her interest
during a busy week here at Hokkanui HQ.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Starting off the hour with.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Rob Scott, re elected South and District Council Mayor, telling
us all about what he hopes to achieve in his
next three years in office. Dean Ravage Farms at Glenna
talks about farmer missions the government's come out in the
last week, saying that the targets need to meet that
need to be met regarding farmer missions have changed. Dean
(00:40):
says it's a good start, but has it gone far enough.
Eric Roy talks about the passing of Jim Bolger, which
occurred during the week now. Eric was involved with the
National government in the nineties when Jim Bolder was Prime
Minister and tells us about the legacy that Jim leaves
of the New Zealand political landscape. Phil Dunkeet of Web
(01:00):
looks at the weather for the next seven days down
here in South and Look it's been a real basket
case of a spring.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
We ask for what happens going into the future.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is there any o our Nnia as such on the
horizon and just what we're going to see over the
next seven days is people try and get the tailing done,
get the groundwork opened.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Up quite a bit to entail.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And Riley Kennedy from Business Desk looking ahead to the
Alliance decision which is happening on Tuesday regarding the proposed
restructure that includes dawn meets from Ireland. So without further ado,
we start the best of the muster with Rob Scott.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Drag Me.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Rob Scott has been re elected as a south In
District Council Mare for a second term with a comprehensive
victory in the local body elections over the weekend and
joins us this afternoon. Good afternoon, and firstly, congratulations on
your re election.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Good afternoon, Andy, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You must be pretty toughed, especially with the margin that you.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Had, yeh don't Yeah, but better than the thirty nine
that I got the last time, and a lot of
the result was a lot quick as at this time
as well, So yeah, I'm really really stuck and quite humble.
Next week it's a good result, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Gary Tyng of course, previo yourself and distant council here
before yourself only forty five votes separating three candidates in
twenty twenty two. This time though, so far four thy
seven hundred and twenty six is a difference between yourself
and Gary.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What do you put it down to?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, I sort of joked about it begging my performnch
of you over the last of the six weeks, and
I mean addictively it was. And I've worked very hard
for South London. It's comforting to kind of see that
that's I guess been recognized and I've got the support
of the community, so it's yeah, it's I'm very.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Happy talking about voted turnout. It's a concern all over
the show. What do you put it down to? Is
it just fatigue regarding local body politics?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, I can't work it out, and I think it's
something that I've basically written down. It's one of the
things to work on to try and get rid of
that empathy and that fatigue. I mean, the government haven't
helped and sort of getting the big stick out and
turning us into a bit of a I guess the
whipping boy kind of thing. But I think I mean
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I spoke to a few people. I spoke to someone
sort of in that last week and I said to her,
have you voted? And she said, oh, no, not yet
voting all the election stage yea, And I haven't missed
one yet, but I was sort of left right to
the last minute, and she's sort of forgotten about it.
So I think that, I mean, the postal system no
one and I can't. We don't check them out, but
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very open at home, and then we don't really get
much mail, so that that's part of the problem, I think.
But also, yeah, we need to do something. As a
sector thirty percent, I think they're national average at thirty percent.
That's not very good and interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You're talking about the rural posts and the likes.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's one of the things that's pretty contentious for a
lot of people at the moment.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, no, it is. It's sometimes changes for the better,
sometimes changes for the worst. But it's it fascinates me
how we've got further and further ahead in time and
technology and increase, but sometimes the services don't stay in
there and the reliability of those sorts of things. So yeah,
it's our rural communities are very important and we've got
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them actual that we can communicate with them properly, and
I think sometimes and I mean it's one of the
things that we focus on. We have to deal with
as Southland district, where decisions get made in the cities
in Wellington, let's forget about how the rest of the
world that actually keeps the country going operates. So, you know,
it's one of the challenges of case.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Are you hopeful for a one hundred percent so our
coverage rate in Southland given that the talcos don't really
It's the year twenty twenty five and certain parts of
the south Southern coast will exist.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Oh, most definitely to make me more productive of my role.
I can tell you most of the patters and southand
where the phone receipment runs out and I'm trying to
sort of have conversations while I'm driving around, and yeah,
it's pretty abrid so it would definitely be it's good
to see Vodaphone. Well sorry One New Zealand now keep
talking about Vodaphone, but One New Zealand having that satellite
kind of coverage. I think that's going to help as
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it progresses. But it's something that needs to happen. It's, yeah,
very important for rural people to take connected.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So what are your priorities for this term?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Rob, We'll carry on carry on doing the best of
South and Looking. We've got such a great council, the
community's pot forward, a good grouping of sixty nine elected
members to work with, so we've got a few things
that we're going to carry on working on. Roading is
definitely the big one for us. I've got to finish
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that roading, funding journeys that have been under the government,
and get some equity across there, and building up our
local democracy acrius all of our towns and getting them strong.
The reorganization is certainly going to dominate them in the background,
but there's other stuff to sort of work on at
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the same time as that as well. And we've got
such a great district. Big things around the airport that
we're still going to be working on, the studile and electricity.
It's progressing nicely. So there's a few big projects. But
I guess just for me, it's strengthening that local democracy
with our community boards and our great team that we're
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going to have around the table.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You use that term local democracy, just explain it in
a bit more detail.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
So we've got.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Nine community boards spread around southern district, so we've actually
got we're we're quite a unique council with sixty nine
elective members, which some people see as a bit of
a challenge, but I see that as a as a
real great lengths and getting our decisions made totally and
that kind of local governance and local scrutiny over how
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they may pay money get spent. It's a much better
way of doing it and it's I think one of
the great strengths that we have here in southwind.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You talk before about rural roads.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Of course we've got one of the biggest roading networks
in the country. Can we actually see a time and
a place where our roads are set up to a
satisfactory stand And I mean you drive between the Cargo
and Gore for example, for being State in Highway one,
it's diabolical in places like some of the eden Dale
earl it's unacceptable.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, it's quite having a conversation with someone over the
weekend about that. And I actually said, and our roading
team might give me a clip around the ears for this,
but if we can get the equitible roading funding, because
State Highway is actually worse than our council managed roads
and if we could get appropriate funding, we could actually
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look after the state highways as well and keep to
the same standards we've got our other road Donald. Some
people might argue that our roads aren't that good, but
they are relative to the to other parts of the country,
they're pretty good. We've got a good team there that
are running on the smell of an all the rags.
So if we can get that funding up, yeah, maybe
we could look after the government roads too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
But do we need to compare ourselves to the rest
of the country or due respect. We need to stay
what works best for us totally.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And that's that's what I've been in the conversation I've
been having with the politicians is don't punish us because
we're good. This is we are contributing to the rest
of the country where that huge export contribution that we
make from our royal sector, and we need that investment
in our roads, and yeah, we shouldn't be compared to
the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
And all your right GDP figures for Tiger South and
Datelin now as well the other Isshue you talked about
council amalgamation. We've seen the debarkle over the weekend over
two hundred councilors or meres for that matter, and elected
an opposed throughout the country.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
You're going to be pushing this agenda.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, well, I launched I like the word amount of nation.
I prefer the word reorganization. But having launched it what
eight months ago, now it's an important piece. I think
it comes down to it. We're talking about it at
the start as well. We've got apathy out there. If
we've only got in the late thirty percent, five to
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forty percent of the people, I think Gord did quite
well getting across safety, but that shouldn't be a celebration.
When you get to fifty percent, we should be getting
eighty percent voted tearing out. So we're need to get
our system for for purpose and touching on that local
democracy piece that I talked about as well, that's that's
the part where we can actually make this work really well.
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Celebrating our community boards, having those people that are there,
they're not there for the money, they don't get paid
very well for it, so they clearly there for the
right reason. But getting that grassroots democracy happening, so you
still got really good representation, but taking away all the
overheads and the burden of having four councils to get
all the work done. So I think there's a very
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important piece of work to have a lot there and
the system that we're operating and has been there since
nineteen eighty nine, it is time to change and that
might actually help with some of those Those are the
issues that we're having.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
So what's the ultimate goal for you regarding this? Perhaps
in three years time this is all go Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Hopefully the Local Government Commission's working on at the moment.
I have felt that the proposal of the two unitary
authorities coming out that it's my favorite, but it's important
now for the community to have the essay. So the
proposal has been launched this I guess the process has started,
but they're very important part now the community to have
a voice and have a say and I would like
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to see the new system in place the next election.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Rob Scott re elected South and District Council. We always
appreciate your time in the muster. Congratulations once again.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Thanks Andy, much appreciated.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
This is the master around hok and newis Dean Ravage
Farms at Glenham and joins us once again good afternoon.
It's been a niffy week or two of weather Dino
since we last caught up. Are you seeing a little
bit more blue sky or is it just a case
of a continuation of the last week?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Good afternoon, Andy. Look, now things haven't proved a lot,
haven't they.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Really.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Days are getting longer and a few more sunshine airs,
so yeah, but more heat going around, especially every weekend.
It was nice and it doesn't take long for Pettis
to green up a little bit and and Liams and
News to sit down and enjoy it. Really, so it's
you know, taken and it's quendible.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
So you've had a bit of a tinge grow up
come out through the ground.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, we have. It's a dee shadow green now, which
is needed because the levers done obviously get the passion
to their diet as well. So yes, of just juggling
Pettis around making sure they're all stocked accordingly. And yeah,
things are going reasonably okay for.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The middle of October. There you kind of expect the
grass to be growing.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Right, Yeah, well shouldn't we shouldn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, tailing, we were all right, went, well.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
We've only done the one day and the terminal the bus.
So yeah, there seems to be enough there always appedictor
for some reason, aren't we But yeah, early early figures
in the cat we should be on path, not a
wee bit better than than last year, and last year
was one of their best ones. So you'll just see
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what happens in another sort of fortnight when we when
we kill everything else right.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Up, Now, you've got to change that terminology for the years.
I've told you this before, that A and the B mobs.
You can't use it in this day and age.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
D oh. Yeah, so I've got the capitalists and the socialist.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Just some of your best work. I'll give you that one.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hey, look, it's been an interesting weekend as well, of course,
as missing target, the government's come out saying look, we
need to recorrect this, going from a target to twenty
fifty have been twenty four to forty seven percent reduction
to a more realistic target of fourteen to twenty four percent.
But on top of that as well, Nestley pulling else
as a dairy messane Action Alliance whatever that means.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yes' been quite a productive weekend as far as that
sort of announcement goes. For the burial sector obviously, as
zero percent target would be the ulpha go on. I
think it'd be everybody's preferred position. But we've got what
we've got though, when you look at it in a
bit more context, I think twenty seventeen, which they're using,
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is the base you we've already seen a ten percent reduction,
and from what I understand the figures that I've been shown,
that only leaves us for another four percent to reduce
them the next twenty five years. So I could be
precated on that, but if you look at it lot that,
I think we'll get there quite easily with a bit
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of natural attrition unfortunately, and with some land use chain.
So it's pretty good as good as a zero target
really if you want to look at all of that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
But it's certainly a change from twenty twenty two from
the Duran government. Just looking at a piece of paper
this morning from back then talking about a five year
pricing pathway which is to be established from this year
twenty twenty five going out to twenty thirty. Certainly a
change what the government wants to achieve.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
Yeah, Like it just shows you how God we care
with my words here here, how much of a waste
of time and effort and money both taxpayer and industry
money were spent on Hewrokeric and are chasing this mythical targets. Yeah,
so hopefully we can see the end of e grazero
as well, which is also spending a lot of industry
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money and producer money that could be used for some
really tangible environmental enhancements on farm rather than these biological
methane inhabitants that which is just going to create another
cost and a lot of unproven science there as well.
So hopefully this reduction targets and nests they're doing what
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they've done or see. Well, I've obviously seen the end
of Hiwaka Canal, which is fantastic, and hopefully this personally
we see the end of EGO zero as well.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Now, Tesco, which is the biggest buyer of New Zealand
products in Britain, they wanted all their products to be
environmentally accredited and reaching the zero across their entire supply
chain by twenty fifty. I await to see what Tesco
comes out with as a result of this in due course.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Yeah, I think once they realized that the consumers are
going to have to start paying a lot more for
their product if they want to reach these targets they're
sort of loft. The ambitions might be redressed as well, hopefully.
I know you've I've heard it on your show and
before that. Everybody sort of starts buying their food within
the environmentalists head on, but as soon as they get
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to the check out, they become an economist. So I think, yeah,
the cost of all this is actually going to start
to really have an impact on things.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, it's the cost of living crisis, and it is
that when you go to the supermark and do the
weekly shop. Gees we as a comparison the other day
on a brand of biscuit twelve months.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Ago, probably two dollars, two dollars twenty at most now.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Up to about three dollars thirty three dollars forty. That's
just one item, and so your shop's gone that by
an average I don't know, seven or eight percent over
the last eighty months. And that's just at a guess,
and I'm probably too low.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
Yeah, as you get a fight when you go to
the checkouts now, like a lot of people, well most
people that probably listening the Royal Seeker we're very fortunate
that we're probably able to supply a lot of our
own meat that we can grow on farm. I really, yeah,
we're very fortunate that position. But I wouldn't like to
have to be back paying for it at the checkout
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along with everything else that seems to have gone up significantly. Yeah,
it's not only the price has gone up, but I
think the packet sizes have also got a lot smaller
as well. They had double edged sword.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, oh, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You go and buy products and everything's just seemed to
have shrunk and they've changed the packaging and they just
try and justify the rest now behind the changes.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
If only we could get paid more for smaller lambs,
would be in the winner, wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
We That'd be great, just getting paid all over the board.
But this is a positive, This is a great positive.
Will continues to go under a week in one direction,
and it's not the band either. It's talking about going upwards.
I mean at the Cavery sale, the christ chur At
sale last week, going up a potential of thirty two
cents once again.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Yeah, I even say that we'll spiked in the UK
as well. Which is up over a pound twenty a
kado as well. So yeah, like that's really exciting for
strong Wall secret it's obviously been the leg out of
all their basket of goods that we supply probably the
last thirty years really though, hasn't it, to be honest?
(17:52):
So yeah, to be more than cavern production cost of
harvesting and production cost. Now it's putting it a a
really good position again. So it's good to see and
hopefully it's for all the right right reasons. It's for
it's extributes rather than just to diminishing supply.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Well, it's like Jamie McKay mentioned a wee while ago
ten dollars for meat, ten dollars for Wall, ten dollars
for milk.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
That'll be a good outcome.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Oh yeah, take that end day of the week, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
A little bit of sport because we can MPC a
Tago by a Planie cam Miller go aboard and rebel
claim him out there doing the demos for a Targo
over Wayhaddow just on the verge of extra time and
Kennerbury playing Hawks Bay in the other game at Tago
Bay a plenty.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Whoever wins this game, I hope they win the whole.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Col Yeah, well hopefully it's Tigo really don't we Yeah,
I'm being high in as partner like that, but gee
at disappointed not to see Counties get overline against Kenworth.
Think everybody in the country would have been happy about
that one. Yeah, it's an exciting fuddy for semi final stuff.
It's been throwing around lot and even the TARNECKI Hawk's
Bay game. I thought Tarne had done by TMO dislowing well.
(18:59):
I thought it was a reasonably obvious try in the
last sort of ten minutes that we've brought them back
with them seven, it would have made it quite a
green Stead finished as well. So yeah, the semi finals
can live up to the quarterfinals. Went for a good weekend,
Ropey next weekend too, and.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Betha Is yesterday you took a keen interest in.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I mean, how could you not watch that theater play out,
especially over the last forty five minutes.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Oh yeah, don't Australia do sport well, just.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
The they do it so bloody well commentary and everything
that resonates with the less than the watcher.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
No, it was, it was fantastic. Yeah, it was put
on the TV here and well all day yesterday and
you sort of pop laying it a few jobs and
come back and see what was going on. And then
when the rain started, I thank everybody was they had
a dry seat. Was pretty heavy to watch to see
that happening to those jobs are Bay scale forward. Yeah,
it was quite exciting. Finishing a kevy to get over
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the line is even better.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Absolutely good on your day and always appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Welcome back to the muster, Eric Croi, as a former
MP and of anybody who has qualified to talk about
the life and times of the late Jim Bolgier, former
Prime Minister of New Zealanders. Eric he served under him
with a labor with sorry National government fraudient slipped there
Eric in the nineteen nineties and joined us this afternoon
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just to talk about Jim Bolger and being a politician
and as a person as well.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Eric.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Good afternoon, said news coming out of Jim Bulger's household
over the past couple of days.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, he had been in very poor health I understand,
and kidney failure and he was on permanent dialozing and
this quality of life was some great So it's said
that he's gone, but yeah, he was in a position
of some suffering as well, so in some ways it's
a bit of a release.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Now he was a leader of the first MMP government
in New Zealand. How would you describe him as a politician.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Well, he's an interesting guy. I think he was quite
innovative and quite courageous in many ways. And there's probably
about four reasons I could say that when he went
in in ninety ninety. I actually didn't join government till
ninety three. And you remember that we had the rod
genomics and the reforms and David Longe has said time
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for a cup of tea, and they weren't completed, and
Jim Bolgia the first thing he did was said, well,
we're going to finish these reforms and got into the
areas that the previous labor government hadn't touched, the labor
market and all of those things, and he carried that
on at some political cost. But New Zealand I believe
is in a much better place because that he actually
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did that. And then the next things that he actually
did was the first coalition government and that was brought
about because he said heng on our voting system isn't
that fair and it's predominantly party hart kind of an
arrangement in parliament. So he put a Royal Commission in
place to look at options. He didn't say we should
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have m MP, but he put the commission in place
which put up four options, which in ninety three we
voted on and subsequently the yeah is MP the what
is it?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
There was four answers, fraudy and slipped.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
The MMP was brought in and then he organized the
coalition governments. Interestingly, and the other thing that he started
was three settlements and that was good. And another illustration
of his negotiating skill when he went in in ninety
three with the government that the government had a one
seat majority, which when you were at that stage you
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had to appoint a speaker, and the speaker didn't vote
because he sat there when there was a vote ice
the right knows to the left tell us this and
he couldn't vote. So that effectively left a government that
was stalled because didn't have a majority. So he put
Peter Tapsill from Labor and a speaker and to be
able to continue on. So I think he was quite
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innovative and quite courageous in some of the things that
he did as as a leader on the party, I
would say, and I'm set under a few of them.
In my eighteen years. He was easily the most inclusive
in the way that he ran caucus. Some of his
caucuses were quite lengthy that he got criticism for, but
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everybody was important in caucus, and at times he'd say
when the minister brought up, this is what you what
we're going to do, and if there was a bit
of kickback in caucus, they go away and do some
more work. We're not ready for the shed. And I
found them to be probably the best chairman of the
board if the caucuses the board while I was actually there.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Now, when MMP came into fruition, were you an opponent
of it? Because I remember the vote came out, what's
the four options? Like you say, what was the consensus
throughout the government at the time leading into it?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, well, I think I think most of those in
the would have voted against it, particularly on the right.
I was probably a supporter of single transferable vote STV
at the time, recognizing that we needed to have a
system that was a bit more inclusive. But I think
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was third or even might have been fourth, So I
say that was the thinking men's option. So I certainly
didn't vote for EMMP. Yeah, that's that's the sure. Interestingly,
in my first term, another feature of Jim Balgia I
was made a whip after I'd been there eight months
because of the era ofjudgment by the whipped at the time.
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And then the next thing that happened shortly after that,
while I was still learning the ropes, United Future broke
out with four Nationals and three Labor and the government
had lost its majority again, but they did give what's
called confidence and supply, which is, yeah, we'll support the
money going through. And in the course of that time
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that they were there, because they were building a bit
of momentum, we actually lost five votes. And when when
the government loses the vote, the whip has to go
and offer the resignation. And the first time that happened,
I said, I can't whip these United Duty people. It's
not my fault. And yeah, he accepted that. And by
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the time it had happened four or five times and
didn't even report, I just probably texted them and said
that happened again. Couldn't change it, and he was very
understanding of that particular situation.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I'll take you back to his first term as prime
and a Certa nineteen ninety, a landslide victory, like you say,
the bearest of margins. What changed for the government though,
for things to change the way they did on a
political landscape.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Yeah, well, I think it's been a lot of comparisons
made as to what the government had to do then
and to what it should be doing now. And they
took the cold Turkey approach and said right, we'll do this,
and then almost lost the next election. In fact, we
waited for Alec Neil in Whytaki to win on specials
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before we even had that one seat majority. And I
think this particular government that we've got now has been
much more cautious about taking the hard medicine. So I think,
you know, history has a few lessons and there are
some people out there now that went through the more
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had care approach to the early nineties to saying that's
how we should do it. Now, let's deal with it
and get it over and done with, rather than pushy
foot around and try and maintain public support and not
do anything. So you know, that's probably the conundrum that
sits on top of the government.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now, it's interesting you mentioned Alec Neil MP for White Techie.
He took out Jim Sutton who was a Minister of
Agriculture leading into that election. And just do we byline
two the labor leaders Mike Moore took over from Sir
Jeffrey Palmer. And the reason I remember that is because
when I was at school, was in mess or something
one day and I was board, so I wrote a
letter to Jeffrey Palmer asking him why he's just being
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so negative towards the rural sector and blow me down.
He actually replied and signed the letter back as well,
So I just as so I remember that time.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I think Jeffrey Palmer was a superb intellect, but I
think his legacy was beefing up the Select Committee so
that all of the legislation then had to go to
Select Committee for public submission. And so while we're a
unicameral house, we don't have another house, we just have
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one house. We have the strongest Select Committee process in
the world that actually deals with reports and bills and
all of that stuff. So I think that's his legacy.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Hey, Eric, will leave it there.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
We know you're in transit, but we do appreciate time
as always and great to hear about Jim Bolga, Risdom peace.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yep absolutely being a good man for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Plessy Legames. I've promised myself I won't do that again.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's got to And before we rip up for the
weekend on the muscle, let's catch up with Full Duncan
out of Willowatch from the cow Sick Groves, A fear ground,
(29:14):
a fear ground attraction to the rage of vladismurras It
Phil Duncan, Welcome to Friday.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
What a great intro. Thank you very much, and yes,
yeah it's Friday.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm hoping the weather matches the mood. What have we got?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Well, you know, it is still spring, so it's still
up and down. But you know it's still as bad
as it could be. But I'm trying to put a
positive spin on it because it's still it is still
a bit wet and a bit cold at times. We've
still got you know, highs and lows all coming through
at the moment. So the downside is that, yes, there's
more wet weather coming, which I think you're a bit
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tired of. And we're still not done with the cold nights.
Yet as well in some cooler days. So on the
positive side of all of that is that from a
big picture point of view, look the whole country, we
are seeing a lot of the windy weather and the
cold weather sink further and further southwards. But of course
you've been the southernmost region, you're still in the thick
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of it to some degree, but it is changing. We
are seeing as from a nationwide point of view, and
not just here. From an Australian point of view as well,
they are seeing some heat sinking south woods. It's going
to be thirty three degrees in Sydney today, probably thirty
five out in Paramatta in the west, and then they've
got that again on Monday, so like its properly going
into summer, but even Australia is still getting bursts of cold,
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wintery weather. So from a big picture point of view,
we are doing all the right things as we slide
towards summer. But for Southland it still means some rain
showers and a lot of wind coming from the west,
which means the temperatures are flash They're not hot, they're
not cold, but they're kind of still in that middle
ground where you've got a number of days coming up
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with daytime high between sort of twelve to thirty degrees,
so not hot or warm like maybe some other areas
the country are.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
We're getting a couple of days where the temperatures of
beautiful mid to late teens. We've got blue skies. But
it's two days in a row. When are we going
to see a hat trick?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yeah, I think we might be having to wait until
the very end of the month or going into November.
What we're seeing, actually the Labor weekend is a fair
bit of high pressure moving across the country and so
Southland at this stage doesn't look too bad. The air
pressure is going up a week that weekend as well,
and further northwards there's a lot of high pressure moving
(31:30):
into New Zealand, so that's a bit of a change.
So if you're heading away for the long weekend, there
might be some good news. But yeah, at the moment,
what's happening is we don't really have the high pressure
zones over the top of you. They're running over the
north of New Zealand, and then in the coming week
they'll track a little further into the North Island. So
there is an improvement, But because on the edges of
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it's still not quite yet seeing a big improvement. In fact,
there could be a rain event next week with maybe
thirty millimeters coming through as we go through. What day
was that Wednesday? Around about dead So we're not completely
out of the woods yet, but we are, as I say, overall,
seeing some improvements.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Are the ones going to be south westerly or are
we going to be sticking with these northwesters least at
least with northwesterlies as warmer.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Yeah, there's a lot of westerlies in the flow. Pretty
much every window enge and of every day has a
w with it. But some days it might be like
today it's a north northwesterly, which is basically a normally
to northwesterly. Tomorrow it's westerly, Sunday's westerly, Monday northwester again,
and then as we go through Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it
is a west to northwest Wind's a lot of westerlies
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in there. And you know, like I say, temperatures, daytime
temperatures today is the warmest day of the next week,
whether around eighteen degrees or so, but the weekend thirteen
to fifteen degrees, and then next week eleven to thirteen
degrees right through until next weekend, and the overnight lows
tonight to mild night ten degrees is the overnight low,
but tomorrow night down to two, so we might see
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some light frost around. It won't be very much late.
The frosts are pretty much disappearing now, but they're possible
white bit of frost here and there. And as we
go into next week, a lot of overnight lows sort
of seven to eight degrees, six degrees, and then next
weekend a bit colder again, down to three or four.
So it's not brutal, it's not really mild. It's just
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in that middle ground, really, which is what October really is.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So what you're saying is the second half of spring
is going to be a continuation of what we've seen.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Unfortunately, well it might be.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
To begin with, but I'm still holding up a bit
of hope for what November brings us. I keep saying
this that you know, we've been in the same weather
pattern since about the middle of August, so we've had
a couple of months now of a fairly relentless weather pattern.
So that's kind of textbook in some ways. So when
you get to November, usually a little bit of energy
comes out of the weather that we're getting and we
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get a bit more high pressure moving through. So that's
the thing I'm looking for at about a week's time
from now, or maybe a little bit just after labor weekends,
trying to work out what is November looking like, because
that helps shape what we're going to be seeing going
into December. So that's what I'll be looking for in
about a week's time, So hopefully when we talk next week,
although maybe it just might be after labor weekend to
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kind of work out what is November's were a pattern,
because that is going to be a critical sort of
component to working out what is summer looking like at
this stage, and it's too early to see what some
is looking like this year because we've got, as I said,
classic spring going on. We've got the southern stratospheric warming
over Antarctica, which has just made us spring a little
more westerly driven, a little more spring like. And then
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on top of that, we've got a weak Lanninia trying
to form up in the tropics, and so there are
a few different moving parts, and sometimes when you've got
a lot of moving parts, like that you end up
with just a really normal weather pattern over the top
of us. So it's a little tricky to work out
sometimes in our location on Earth long range stuff, But
that's what we're looking for later next week is what
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is the first half of November looking like and will
there finally be a change to what we've had for
the last two months.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
A week Ladininia as a Latininian, nonetheless it is, but.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Again it's measured at the tropics, and we're halfway from
the tropics to Antarctica, so if it's a week Landinia,
it may not even really affect us this far south.
So that's why the southern stratospheric warming over Antarctica this
year is making a bit of a difference, because if
it's going to make those westerly stronger, then Larninia's easterlies
(35:30):
may not really be felt. They might get bulldozed away
by the westerly circling the Southern Ocean in the New
Zealand area. So that's why there are a few moving parts,
and at some point one of those might win. But
a week Lardinia sometimes doesn't do anything at all to
New Zealand, so it's not necessarily going to drive in
a big change to us, not yet anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So I kind of weather watch. We always appreciate your
time on The Master. One whose maybe it's the reason you.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Can for yourself.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Welcome back to the Master. Riley Kennedy joins us out
of business desk. He's been all over this proposal regarding
Dawn Meats and Alliance. Of course it comes to a
head this Monday, Riley, good afternoon, Monday is d Day.
Speaker 7 (36:19):
Very good ass. No, yes, it is at the Scott
Hotel and the V Cargo. It's been a long process
to get to this point, but we're nearly there.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's been a long process, and it's been a messy process,
if we're honest.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it hasn't been the most cleanest process.
But I don't think, I mean, the Alliance board would
would tell you that this isn't their preferred option. They've
been very clear all along that they didn't want to sell. Ultimately,
it was it's the banks of that that are running
the show. You know, they're not running it entirely, but
(36:55):
that they have the ultimate say and they want me
money back, which is fair enough, and they they have
to pay back the one hundred and eighty eight million
or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
So based on what you've seen, right, it's just how
detrimental would have been to the meat industry and to
the meat industry if it's a no vote.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Yeah, well some I would say that a no vote
is probably good, you know, take out excess capacity. But
also you've got to look at it from an industry
when if we sell all more, most of our red
meat goes overseas, right, we pride ourselves on having grant
said meat. If we can't run a process or and
a process of falls into some sort of insulty process,
(37:33):
it's not exactly a great look for us on the
world stage. And you just don't want i mean being
solventy in the stream. Sure the nice people, but you
don't want them running out process including New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Do you ultimately can they survive a no vote in
your opinion.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Well, they've got to pay back the money and then
they have to pay back the working GEFT facility, so
that that is the ultimate and that will ultimately end
up in the bank's handy. If there's a no vote,
that the banks are in charges of Tuesday essentially and
they'll be running the show that they have the ultimates
(38:12):
say they could put blunt up so they could though
they could do anything they're like within reason, they could
put it into receivership. As of Tuesday, it's up to
them that they They've got a deadline of nineteen December
to get the money in and be paid that ultimately,
whatever happens, if the no vote is.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Up to then there's a concern around Dawn Meats as well.
But this can just be viewed as a short term
fax year.
Speaker 7 (38:36):
You could have said that about Shanghai Nailing or Bright
Meat and silver and Farms. I mean, Dawn Meats are
pretty sharp operators in the UK. I don't know them.
I don't know them at all, but ultimately the other one,
they're the only ones right now with a credible offer
on the table to pay the money that there is
(38:57):
the end goal or the bottom line of this is
that they need that money to be repaid.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Right And do you think there's still hope for a
remat super cooperative collaboration between likes of Silver Ferns and Alliance.
Speaker 8 (39:10):
Well, I mean there there's a lot of talk in
the industry about how all the processes need to work together,
but I mean, nobody's put their hand.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Up to do it.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Just get then they're all open to working together, but
no one actually seems to get round the table. And
if they start working together too much, then you sort
of fall into Cartel concerns with the Commis Commission. So
I think it's it's a very interesting position that we're
in and I think the next few years at a
process level, it's going to be really interesting to see
it or wash it out. And if you read the
(39:42):
Independent Northerington report that Northington Partners did on the alliance,
still it lays out very clearly that New Zealand has
too many an excess capacity, particularly in cheap net processing.
There's in South Finds, there's m At the moment, you know,
I can think about five ofs of my head, I
was looking at the mat the other we have nearly
fifty five processing plants in New Zealand and we've we've
(40:05):
got half the ship that we did twenty years.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Ago, and that's a great concern going forward as well. Riley.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
A lot of shareholders I've spoken to us saying egos
need to be left at the door. We need to
fix the industry.
Speaker 7 (40:15):
Yeah, yeah, I think that there's there's obviously right this.
There's a lot of emotion about the about the last
farmer owned, fully farmer owned cooperative being sold. But at
the end of the day, I think everyone just wants
to be paid a good price and when they stopped collected,
and whether that's owned by a foreign company, it's owned
(40:39):
by a New z own company, or it's owned by farmers,
you know, I think they're those concerns probably need to
be left at the door now and work out a
credible way forward, because you don't want the last man's standing,
you don't want to be you don't want receivers in
all New zealandery meat processes, which I'm not saying that's
going to happen, but it's just a terrible scenario, particularly
(40:59):
at a time when fund get prices at record levels.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
The so called wait KaiA five of their counter offer.
Was this too little, too late, like maybe six to
twelve months ago, This might have been a bit more credible.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
Perhaps, Yeah, again, you need the bank support, which they
don't have. And so it's all very well and good
coming out with this proposal, and I'm more than entitled
to him to do this, but you ultimately need the
bank support so and then the meetings in five days.
(41:34):
So they should have done this twelve months ago when
the alliance's issues have not come around in the past
six weeks. I saw it being called as a credible
option the other day. I mean it is, but the
net profit TIG is of one hundred and fifty million.
I mean that it was just quite frankly, in my opinion,
it's just bizarre. I mean, we've never seen a processor
(41:58):
at that level of profitability, unless for in the last
five years. I think Self and Farms actually might have
greeted at level in twenty twenty two, but then they've
reported two losses. So it's just I mean, they're more
than entitled to do that, but they should have done
it twelve months ago when there was more time.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Okay, Riley, if you're a bidding man, would you have
the yard set at one eighty seven?
Speaker 7 (42:20):
Either way, I would, I wouldn't want to say, but
I think the crucial thing is is that people have
got to vote. You know, there's a bit of talk
at the moment about and people aren't going to vote.
I mean, at the end of the day, shareholders own
the company as their company, and so in my opinion
would be you've just got to go out and vote
(42:41):
and then don't let it turn out like the local
elections and have a turnout of thirty nine percent or something.
Equipment would actually fail if it was that level. But
I think the crucial thing is either way, if you
support it or not, you've just got to go and vote.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Just finally, Riley, there's been a bit of uphaval at
the top routes of PGG.
Speaker 7 (43:00):
It's them yes, this this is this is this hugely interesting.
I mean PGG writ from have had their governance issues
for a while. You know, every now and again there's
something that just sort of happens. But I was flying
to a cargole on on Tuesday and their annual meeting
was it was in christ Church and I thought, I'm
(43:21):
not going to watch their annual meeting. You know, they
seemed to have sort of theirshes out. The land is
named the Cargo and the famous blowing up and Agria
the largest shareholder and Elders which people will be familiar with.
It's the South Australian Real Service as firm had had
turned on Gary Moore the chair and Sarah Brown the
deputy chair from from them the cargo and voted them out.
(43:43):
The just complete shop turned on them.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Why is that? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Nobody?
Speaker 7 (43:49):
Nobody really knows. There's two days on. There was a
statement to the insidets from Agria about an hour ago
which said, you know, we see this as an opportunity
to refresh the board. But they've Nobody has given any
light as to why they've done with Gary Moore than
our former chair job. He's jobless. He met with Alan
(44:12):
l of Akria on Friday and Alan said you're doing
a great job. You know we'll support you and don't
expect any surprises. And apparently the meeting in christ which
was very bland is how Gary described it. He was
working hard to even extract questions from the floor. Then
he went off, I think, had a cap of tea
and had a tap on the shoulder telling him that
he'd been voted out.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
And you said, Riley Kennedy of Business Desk, wrapping up
the best of the muster, thanks for your company.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
My name's Andy Muher. Enjoy the weekend. Hopefully the weather
sorts itself outset of the later. I'm sure it will right.
It takes some time to get off and we'll see
you Monday, one o'clock
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