September 19, 2025 • 46 mins
Andy Muir talks to Andy Dennis, Paul Allison, Don Morrison, Graham Butcher and Geordie Eade.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Last night our have the Strangers dream A very good
morning and welcome along to the Best of the Muster.
My name's Andy Muller, appreciate your company. The Best of
the Muster as a collaboration of interviews during a rather
hectically here at Hokanu e HQ, almost to the point
that you could feel used out, such as being the
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way that things have moved over the past five days.
But we're starting off of Andy Dennis, who farms near
Manipori in the basin up there around Fieldland. Kaka talks
about the landing season today, how he's found it so
far and just how situation has changed as to what
we see not that long ago, although he seems to
be getting through as he says, you know it is
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that time of year. We've been there before. Paul Allison
was on the show The Voice of a Targo Rugby
as well as the Highlanders dissecting the All Blacks loss
to South Africa, the record loss last week and it
seems like a lifetime we're going now and what actually
needs to occur with the All Blacks heading into the
Bledisloe Cup in a week's time. Don Morrison, wallow Bank
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farmer and a Lions board director talking about the backtrack
by the government regarding agribusiness and schools. Now, this announcement
came out only almost like not forty eight hours after
Erica Stamford announced this is going to occur. So Don
talks about why we need to keep agriculture relevant in
the curriculum. Graham Butcher was on the program talking about
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a bill that Joseph Mooney has introduced into Parliament regarding
the ability to sue around Greenhouse guesses and jordiyed at
the river Era of the South Riverton with some extraordinary
rainfall numbers for September. Like Andy, he's right in the
middle of lambing, and Jordi just says, we're just very
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fortunate that winter played its part like it did. So
without further Ado, we'll start the hour with Andy Dennis.
This is the best of the muster. Andy Dennis is
on the Gold Coast of the South Island, which is beautiful.
Men of POORI and joins us this afternoon in the
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Sergeant Dan farming around up. Thanks for Sergeant Dan. Stop
foods here and Gore. Good afternoon, Andy. How was the
Gold Coast of the South today, God.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's pretty wet. Yeah, we've had a we've had a
typical September so far, a lot of rain, a lot
of northwest rain, sort of warm enough, but yeah, it's yeah,
we're we're pretty wet now on the foot and sort
of the next sort of ten days, if we don't
start getting some sun, we're going to get right on
top of covers if we're not already there now. So yeah,
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it's about where we're at in the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So as far as these winds you were saying before,
this more northwesterly, so it hasn't been as cold.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, it's been sort of a yeah, we've had a
lot of rain. There's been snow on the tops every night,
so it's definitely coldish. But when it hasn't been from
the south, like a lot of the rest of southenings
were getting a lot of subties, haven't they, So you know,
they can they can sort of have a high roat
and lambs, whereas we just sort of tick around. And yeah,
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it's not as bad.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
As last year.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Last year was, Yeah, that was was that two undred
and fifty miles for the first twelve days of September whatever,
That was terrible, But yeah, we're gonna need some sun
so in otherwise where we just back on track. But yeah,
I mean it's been a it's been a squeeze to
get through the season from that dry and you know,
to get your crops the last and ever glass we
should have probably you know, you're pretty much expecting they
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have a little bit of feet to set stock on
and there it's there. It's on track to be the
typical September seat and September.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, so catasm the likes you've had a bit of fade.
Darevid just disappear because of these cool the temperatures I suppose.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, no, we're just caught up with it there. So yeah,
bring on some sun. But yeah, we're getting we're sort
of getting a five break even here and then so
yeah hopefully well, well you know what it's like, you
just get through September here, you can come out the
other side either and it's one way or the other.
Sort of sets up the rest of the season, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So hell's lambing bean for you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So far, you're not too bad. I've had a higher
rate of abortion than the older use. Yeah, I'd say
it's probably double where we usually are, So yeah, I'll
sort of have some shaded out some week drives the
last couple of days. So we'll put them on a
truck and make them. We'll weave it, just make things go.
But yeah, are there seems to be a few leaves around. Yeah,
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it'll be around here bridge, just like it's again, he
wasn't great, So you can't expect leming to be a
whole lot better either.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Are you intensive on the leaming beat?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Not really, well, not not as probably, No, No, I
could be more intensive, But you start running out a path,
don't you after a while, And yeah, the suf ticks.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That's sort of done.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And now we sort of start on the wrong so
they're still two theirs and cheap the lamb. So I
used to do quite a lot of mother ups and
sort of make everyone count. But it creates a lot
of work. And I sort of started that way.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And then yeah, we're all that wet.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Weather and you could just see that you can go
and put yours and lambs and boxes and everything else,
and I just pick up bugs. So I h is
about the fifth I gave up mother ups and that
might be me for the rest of my life. Actually,
that's here I'm feeling at the moment it all said
and done, it's it's yeah, it saves a lot of
work because you've got to get grain fed out and
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you've got to keep feeding hinds, and you know, there's
other stuff to be done on farms. So yeah, you
can only do what you can do some days.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So any of you without a lamb that she's down
the road.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yes, yep, yep, see will be this year.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, So that's just.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Here it goes. Usually once the romney's get going, you
get a better survivability, so they are all the younger sheeps,
so it seems to go better. But yeah, I can't
do anything. If you've you know, you've had abortion earlier
on in older yous is, you can't do anything about that.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So that's just here it goes.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
That's farming.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, so move on.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And I understand you've got a slinky run happening up
there too.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, no, we have got a shrinking run for the
first time. I can't remember. It would be five or
six years ago.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I reckon it stopped up.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Here, so yeah, full of ben. But now he's from Winton,
he's running it. So yeah, I haven't didn't even ask
him a bit price. I just thought it was great
to get it going again. So yeah, out the gate
they go, not down a hole.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, well you might en up for a little bit
of a check for the pub later on.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, if you don't know, everything's positive, isn't it? You know,
everything's a surprise.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And the rest thing as well. Now. The Robobank Farmer
Confidence Survey came out recently and for the fourth consecutive quarters,
saying that confidence is coming back into the industry just
quickly as well. Jamie mccode talked about this as Todd
Jatter as just previously, but nonetheless I'll get your thoughts
around this, saying that confidence and the broader agri economy
and high are now the second highest level across the
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last decade. Monks farmers holding a positive outlook and agri
economy higher commodity of prices were cited as a major
source of optimism, with increasing demand and following interest rates
being there as well. Farmers expectations of their own farm
business performance over the next twelve months also marginally up
as well. Dairy farmer's sheep and beef farmers are more positive,
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more so than growers. Farmer investment intentions were largely unchanged. Oh,
dairy farmers have the strongest investment intent horticulturalists the weakest.
And finally, concern over the recent increase in the US
tower fraid of New Zealand goers of fifteen percent is Max,
what are your initial thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm glad you had to start, not me, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I have a bit of paper in front of me
where it's written down.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, very well done. Andy wants to on a way
to start on Monday. No, yeah, I'd agree with all that.
Marginally is probably the word.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Everyone's everyone's stepping feeling more positive.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But I think people.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Over the last few years just sort of don't get
too ahead of yourselves and just sort of, yeah, look
to the future in just sort of baby steps, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But yeah, I mean your prices are at all time
high across the.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Board, which is great.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
We just yeah, you need those seasons and you need
their environment to sort of click the same to be
able to read those rewards. And yeah, sitting in September
when looking around about to start raining again makes you wonder,
makes things a wee bit tough to look too forward.
But yeah, I can see what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, how do you seem WHAREM pinning out over the
next not say twelve months, but perhaps twelve to eighteen months?
Or is it too hard to ball get crystal bull
gaze as such?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
No, I think you know we're we're wearing for a
good run.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But yeah, I think it's it's not getting too carried away.
Get some deep down instead of paying that high entrance ball,
look at maybe more debt repayments and just sort of
set yourselves up for a long term sort of goals.
Really over then over the new purchases of getting two
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carried away, I'm pretty conservative generally.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Just finally, Indy, we've I've been talking to fanners over
the last week or so about little tricks of the
trade they've got for the busy September period. What's something
you do to deviate away from the norm to keep
yourself saying at this time of year, what's something you
can pass on for.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think it's just the same as everyone else, Like
you sort of just got to go through gat and
do a shuffle if you think you need a shuffle.
And we're not all shape, we're not all deal. We've
got to mix. So sometimes you're just punch and feed
off something to go and feed something else for a
while and then yeah, but yeah you've got to get
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off when you've got to have a break every here
and then just yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, the team
was never fun and saffing is it like, let's be honest.
So you just somehow you get through the other side
and it's done and you start getting things start warming
up and things start coming right, and then yeah, and
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then it all starts all over again. So well we'll
get this week drives gone, and there's some works names
gone and the middle of the week and some days today,
so you start lighting it load and and he just
keep boxing on, really, don't you?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Andy Dennis always appreciate your time on the Must you
enjoy the Gold Coast of the South of South today?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, well hopefully the gold casters turn it back on
as usual, but yeah, thats what it is. We'll keep
taking away.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Thanks Eddie, welcome back to the muster. Before you wrap up,
Paul Ellison, the voice of a Tiger Rugby. You can
hear his commentaries on Goldsport joins us. The song is
Dreams by the Cranbereese Paul, Welcome to the muster. By
the way. Unfortunately it wasn't a dream over the weekend
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for Southlanders and All Blacks fans. It was just one
big nightmare.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It was a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
In fact, it was two big nightmares, to be fair,
one for the All Blacks and then one for the
Southland Stags. I was driving back from Dunedin listening to
the match on the radio with Elliot's Smiths commentary after
commentating on the Otago Tadanake match, and I drove up
the driveway and my wife greeted me quite excitedly said, look,
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it's a really good game. We still got twenty minutes
to go. The score was seventeen to ten at that stage.
I wish I had a driven a hell of lot
slower and missed the last twenty minutes, to be fair,
because it really just was one way traffic by the
South Africans and the All Blacks looked like they had
no answers in that final stages of that match. And
then I tuned into the Stags yesterday afternoon after being
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at the Otago Rugby Clubs Like members function, and I
saw another capitulation there. I wasn't sure what the goal
was when they changed the jerseys. But it's been a
two week hangover now for the Stags with fifty four
fourteen sixty four ten and the wheels have fallen off
after what was the promising start to the Bunnings MPC.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So a bit of a bleak weekend.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
In the Deep South, although Otago managed to get a
little bit of bright sunshine in a very windy afternoon
in Dunedin and keep their quarter final hopes alive. But
the Stags have got a bit of work to do
and you just wonder whether that is a bit of
post shield blues.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Now as far as they All Blacks, what was the
difference from last week? I mean they held onto that
record at eden Park. Did too much time and energy
go into that? Perhaps a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
I think the rain favored the All Blacks eden Park.
The South African has made a lot of uncharacteristic errors.
South Africa made widespread changes to the attemps, so they
come with a refreshed lineup.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
The All Blacks would have been a little bit tight
and beat up.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
They pretty much stayed with the same same with just
a little bit of small tinkering.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
With Carter coming in and Noah hoos them coming in.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
But not too many changes, whereas the spring Box made
six changes to their back lines, two or three to
their forwards and had a real refreshed look to them.
They took them attacking mindset into the game, and I
think they brought a lot of confidence. You just have
to question maybe the staleness of the All Blacks.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I looked at them in Argentina.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
In that match in Cordova, there was fifty three players
and officials on the field during their warm up, which
lasted for about an hour, and that meant that there
was the thirty six players, plus a huge big coaching
staff and fitness advisors and probably strength and conditioning trainers
and the like. I look across on the other side
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of the pitch and the spring the Argentinians had thirty
five and that was the players the reserves who were
playing in the defensive screens, and they only have four
coaches in total in Argentina.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I just wonder with this army of players.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
And officials that the All Blacks have, whether there's too
many voices going into the players heads and they just
don't quite have the clear mindset. I think they got
outplayed by South Africa on the field. Wonder they also
got outplayed by the mofterfield.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Is this going to put more doubts around Scott Robertson
given he's only two years in or was it too
really to tell?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Probably a little bit early.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Same sort of pressure came on in Foster midway through
his tenure when he had a shocker when lost to
Ireland for the first time ever. In Duneda lost to
Argentina in Newcastle and lost a series.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
To Ireland as well.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Made some changes to the coaching make up at that stage,
with Plum Tree and Brad Moer getting sort of exited
out and Jason Ryan coming in along with Joe Smith,
and that sort of seemed to make a bit of
a difference leading up to.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
The World Cup.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Still early days for Scott Robertson, but the All Blacks
are under pressure. I think they'll wait and see until
after the Rugby Championship is over. We've got a chance
to redeem us else with two matches against Australia, one.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
At Eden Park and one in Perth.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But we know that.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Australia are up and down as well. You look at
this competition and you see that no country has won
two test matches in their own country and this championship
Argentina win and loss, South Africa win and loss against Australia,
New Zealand the same against South Africa and New Zealand,
Argentina against Australia and Australia. So the teams have got
no continuity and no consistency in this competition. And so
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it's not just the All Blacks. I mean, yes, it
was a record breaking loss, but the fact that teams
are struggling to put two consecutive performances together must be
a bit of a concern across or is this just
a reflection of how even rugby is now in world circles.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, that's the argument. I suppose teams have caught up
and where New Zealand were.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, I thought, think we've got the players, but they're
not gelling and that's the you know, they sort of
flattered to the seed to some degree.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
They look good at times.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
We thought last week after Eden Park, hey they might
get some momentum, the same players rewarded and.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Saying hey go again next week.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Rassi Erasmus said no, No, we're going to build depth
in our squad. We're going to run a whole new
team out pretty much. That was always his plan and
you can see at the back end of the game.
That's where the All Blacks have been struggling the last
twenty minutes in under Scott Robertson's watch. And I'm not
certainly saying it's Scott Robertson's fault, but they seemed to
be struggling in the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
We saw last year against.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Australia in Australia the All Blacks had a big lead
and almost lost that in the last in the last
twenty minutes in the last second half. And then the
same thing we saw on Saturday night as well, when
the points start to mount and they come under pressure,
you All Blacks seem to just not finish well. Sometimes
you say it's the bench, but you know when you
bring on a decent bench with Fabian Holiday has been
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one of the standouts this year. To Mighty Williams came on,
but I go back to the lots of Cody Taylor
and I just feel that, you know, he's such a
such a key member of that side. You've got probably
the best four props to be able to play.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
With the group Newal Lomax and Williams. I don't think
there'll be any changes there.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
I think you've probably got your three best locks in
terms of Fabian Holland to pou Bai and Scott Barrett.
Scott Barrett the captain, well, he's not a lone man
out there. I mean, yes, he does make the calls
as the captain, but he's got a leadership team around him.
And have we got the best number ten that can
run a game? I'm just not sure whether Boden Barrett
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is as much of an outstanding player that he.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Has been over the years, is the answer.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think he's possibly slightly past his prime. But who
do you put in there? That's the question.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
You know, do you put Damian Mackenzie back there, who
struggled sometimes in the number ten jersey in All Blacks
and tight test matches?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So you know, what do you do?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I haven't got the answer. We'll wait and see two
weeks time. Can the All Blacks turn things around at
Eden Park? Well, they're going back to their favorite venue,
so maybe you'd say they've got a chance. After the
Australians also looking their wounds after a loss to Argentina
and Tidney.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Paul Elison. I appreciate you time I'm on the muster.
Great analysis.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, make sure you get your stags Jersey on. Don't
give up on them just yet. But they've got some
work to do. And some of the all blacks nice
to share. Andy, what song is.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Love?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I love.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
The songs called a love Rady Night by Eddie Rabbit.
It should be called a love of rady night any
time of year apart from September. This is the muster.
Don Morrison joins us next willow Bank Farmer, as well
as being in a Lions boart director. Good afternoon, how
he how things going in the trenches.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
I've got Andy, there plenty going on at the moment,
yet lamming right into it. They're just lambing very fast,
probably halfway through when you're supposed to start on the twelfth,
a few earlier ones, but the main mob started, but
going very fast. So yeah, the old the weather wasn't
great a few days ago, but I think the dam
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is often more. We'll certainly here it was more perceived
than we actually got. So a lot of live lambs,
and it always amazes me the resilience that some of
them have when they're born in that rubbish.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
As far as the wind, how bad was it out
at your place.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
That day? I can't remember was it Adah Saturday? Was
just yeah, it was it was cold. It just kept
coming in and bringing front. Although to be fair that
we were clear, so you know that's off in the
Savior when it can clear a bit and they can
get stop from being hunched up and getting have a drink.
So yeah, it wasn't much fun, but we had lots
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of live lambs and it's actually a good test that
we don't want weather like that. But certainly one of
the things we've been breeding for for many years is
is that survivability and resilience. Andy. You know, we've been
first playing at birth since or twenty five years now
to try and build up profiles of rams with high survival.
And the other thing that's probably helped is this GDF
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nine geen we've got, which is the twining geen. So
we're still getting our good standings, but we're cutting down
on the number of triplets and the number of singles,
so you know you're maximizing your opportunity. Once you haven't
got those triplets, there.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
No more rogue lambs on the suites.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
No, but that was a good fifty or sixty or
seventy US at lambs early and once again they were
a good test of survival. But no, that was a
wee head start we got. Now just the normal, the
normal thick of things.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Andy, how are your feek have.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
As looking to a little sunshine I supposed to be appreciated.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Oh, there's every sheep hasn't got an equal powder. Unfortunately,
some are good and some aren't so good. That goes
for the grass covers and the shelter. But you've just
you've got a whole farm you've got to fill up
with sheep. So yeah, no, no, they're all right, Andy,
it's just you bit of sunshine would be good.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now we'll talk about that. We'll touch on this, how
agribusiness isn't being included in twenty twenty eight curriculum changes.
I spoke about this with Penny Simmons yesterday. Now what's
happening is agriculture and horticulture aren't going to be standalone
subjects in schools from twenty twenty eight. You're only going
to be industry lead instead. Now, Howe, what are your
thoughts around this. You've been to Lincoln, you've been and
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served your time at Bob's back in the day, obviously,
but at the same time we need to be encouraging
as much growth as we can, especially at secondary school age,
for people who want to future in agriculture.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
And it's probably been a long intergenerational unrecognition of of
the opportunity we have a egg and hought. So you know,
you look back when I went to school, which doesn't
seem that long ago, but as a wee while you know,
egg was certainly never tilted as a career opportunity unless
you wanted to go back to dad's farm. You know,
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even when I went to Lincoln, that was your pretty
narrow opportunities at the time. Your channeled to being a
valuer and a farmer, a banker or a farmer, where
pretty soon by the time we were graduated, there was
all sorts of commercial opportunities. You've got opportunities and marketing
sales the district HR and look, I know they graduates
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at of university have the highest employment straight out of
university employment rate, but you know it should be recognized
because it's yet huge opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Andy, Well, there's a lot more opportunities in agriculture these
days than what there was, say, twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Though oh know we well, I guess certainly when you
look at those downstream opportunities, and that's what I'm saying,
there's massive opportunities in whatever field do you want to
work genetics, production, processing, supply chain logistics. You know that
it's massive. So it actually seems really crazy that we
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are that government and that has consistently hasn't recognized that.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It sounds as though the government talks about playing a
big game regarding farming as such. Do you think they've
got the ball down on this occasion in quite a
big way?
Speaker 7 (22:52):
See, I think it's a tough gig out there for
the government. Andy. This recession or whatever we're in has
has been long running. When we haven't we haven't bounced
back from COVID like most other Western economies had, and
you know, people are hurting. It's it's understandable why it's
this frustration out there. And you know, look, I'm heavily
critical of this coalition government with some of their sidetracked
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stuff they've had, particularly around the treaty issues, some of
the resource management freeing up the stuff they're doing, which
hasn't added one single cent to our economy, and yet
they've really annoyed a whole lot of people. And you
throw that in with the economic frustration we're dealing with.
You know, it's not a good feel out there.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But at the same time, agriculture's driving the economy as well.
That just seems to make it a little bit more bizarre.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Oh absolutely, And you're seeing the bounce back and our
rural communities, you know, we we were the first to suffer,
and it always the way it goes, it hurts from
our rural communities. I know one year ago, two years ago,
that was probably my toughest year farming in thirty years financially.
But you know, the urban scenes of the square wasn't
quite on then. But now you know, we're coming out
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of it. But those those urban you know, the urban
sector is really hurting a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Of positives around the lamb price. At the moment, we've
seeing record prices at the su yards. How we hopefully
this optimism continues into the season.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Well two things for that, and you know you've got
great demand and a lot of our markets based on
you know, shortened protein supplies, particularly around the beef or
the beef certainly in America, but even the lamb. And
the other thing that's interesting is you know China, which
is was our biggest market, is still relatively depressed. So
(24:39):
I guess the upside is when that Chinese economy can
lift a bit, we might have you know, that will
increase demand. But the fair on where those prices are
and our other markets is when does it reach a
tipping point that they substitute out of red meat back
to you back to poultry, back to back to pork,
things like that. So it's it's you know, the volatil
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is what makes me a little bit nervous.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Andy, Well, it was a volatilis the volatility around China especially.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Yeah, well they've had a suppressed economy ever since COVID,
so you know, we we all took that hat. Straight
after that, there was a very short bounce back, and
it's actually probably that American the American demand that's that's
actually still keeping us going pretty well. I think I've
read the last two years in grinding meat and the
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you know, the Hamburger mints has risen seventy three percent,
So that's certainly been a big part of that lift
and in your beef prices. But certainly lamb has been
you know, still good demand in the US for the lamb,
and the tariffs seemed to be not affecting that that
price point at the moment.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, Donald, now it's time for you to say I
told you so. I sent you a chicky text the
other day after Boden Barrass set up that try in Auckland.
The captain seen another side of the All Blacks and
unfortunately it wasn't a good one. He's your chance to Rant.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I wouldn't say Rand that, Andy, I would just say,
you know, things start at the top, and you know,
Raiser was a product of a fairly you know, parochial
Canterbury push. You know he done very well, but you know,
no international experience. I was pretty critical back at the
time when we had the luck of Jamie, Joseph or Schmid.
There was people with a proven record and then unfortunately, Andy,
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every good team or great team has got to have
an inspirational captain. So whether that's John Eils and Martin Johnson,
friendsois Pina. You look at the French dessertoirl pulous Richie
mccare you know that's that's what you need. And I'm
afraid Scott might be a nice guy, but he's just
not not a leader, particularly when we have Ardie Savilla there.
(26:46):
I saw Ardi a couple of games last year watch
from the grandstand, and incredible what he did with that
Mowanna pacifica team and just what his work raiders off
the ball, which you don't see on TV. But he
leads people. So yeah, that's it. Boden Barrett still doesn't
run up the line. Not an anti Barrett day. But
they're all nice guys, I'm sure, but you know you
need to get a second five center combination. So just
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keep watching this space, continue with where we are and.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
This is what we'll get.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Just one final thought, Howie, is it time for the
Indian R to open up the coaching position of the
ull Blacks to overseas coaches?
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Well, absolutely it should be. But I'm not suggesting that's
an overseas coach would be better because I think we've
got some of the best coaches there. I'm really saying
we need to look at the best coaches with a
proven track record amongst their own, amongst their own What
we need to do if we're going to play on
a level playing field, Andy, is have those foreign players
that should be available for selection. So you look at
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most of our other international op counter parts, they're certainly
using their best players where we're locking. A whole lot
of ours are out of their playing in Japan or France.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You're going to be interesting. How we always appreciate your time.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Very good, Andy, look forward to the next time.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Welcome back to the muster, of course, being Wednesday. You've
got Wednesday Night Country this evening from seven pm. Thanks
to Regional for it. Cheryl Anderson's our host three hours
of country music. While you're out there in the carving
shed or the lambing shed feeding the lambs, there's something
for you to coddon into the seeding. Graham Butcher Farm
consultant joins me in studio. Good afternoon, What have you
done to the weather.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
It wasn't my fault. It was good this morning when
I left home and gored. But that's cracked up wet again.
But it's sort of warm.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, that's a good thing about it. It's the warmest rain.
It's just rain of another dimension. But what was it
looking like elt on farm when you have been.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Out and about quite wet covers a relatively low It's
some I think demand as exceeding supply or growth, and
of course that won't fix itself until growth actually exceeds demand,
so it could be a week or two.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yet farmers seemed to be getting through lambing O.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Cave, seemed to be they would like a bit more
grass now. User just getting into full lactation now and
they need the feed to do it to support it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Right today, we're talking about Smith versus Fonterra. Now, there
was an email come out from Bryce McKenzie of Groundswell
talking about well, he basically talks about Joseph Mooney here,
who's put a bill into the member's ballot to prohibit
civil lawsuits about greenhouse gas emissions and climate change consequences. Now,
one thing when you get an email from Groundswell, try
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not to talk about it in a Bryce McKenzie voice.
He just devolked to it. And this is interesting Smith
versus Fonterra. You were saying this has been going on
for five years now.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Yes, started in twenty twenty. It's really important because it's
all about the right of people to sue someone else
or a company or some sort of entity for damages
because they're breaching their obligations for climate change. So Joe
Bloggs could sue his neighbor farmer for a million bucks.
Now you can't do that at the moment, So Joseph
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his bill is to prevent that. But things have happened
over the five years. And I've got a we So
I got that email this morning and it's flown under
the radar, this one, so I wasn't aware of it.
So I jumped on the computer and got a bit
more detail about it. And it's quite worrying really, this one.
So it all started in twenty twenty when Smith, who
(30:23):
is the climate change spoke person for the EWE Forum
Council or EWEE Chairs Forum. So it's an e WEE
driven thing. They are sewing Fonterra, BT Mining, Dairy Holding,
New Zealand, Steel z Energy, Channel Infrastructure and Genesis Energy
for breach of duty to cease contributing to climate change, right,
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and they're doing it on three accounts one public nuisance,
two negligence and three breach of duty to cease contributing
to climate change. So back in twenty twenty there was
a High Court ruling and everything was thrown out was denied.
So the EWE Cheers Forum went to the appeal Court
and it failed. They went to the Supreme Court and
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it has recently succeeded. The Supreme Court have made a ruling.
I'll just read it here. This is the conclusion of
the Supreme Court for the reasons above, and the reasons
above is quite a few hundred pages. The appeal is
allowed and the appellant's claim is reinstated. Mister Smith is
represented on a pro bono basis and does not seek costs.
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Whatever the outcome he sought. That costs lie where they
fall in this court, as they have done so in
other courts. That's good because of the because the proceeding
is brought against a public interest basis and has further
implications beyond the case at hand. We agree, the appeal
is allowed, the appellent his claims reinstated, and there is
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no order to cost. So it's back in the High
court light for civil litigations for climate change consequences. Now
that's huge. Now you can imagine what could happen if
the succeeds. So Joseph Muni has done a really good
thing here and I believe you've got him on the
program tomorrow, so really good to get his point of
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view on this. He's put a in the biscuit tin
if you like a bill prohibiting civil litigation for climate
change consequences. I don't know how many bills are in
the biscuit tin or how long they take to get
drawn out, but I suspect it could be quite a
long time. So maybe Joseph knows how many bills there
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are in the biscuit box. If anybody knows, he probably should.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think he's trying to buy pass the biscuit tin
with this way.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Well you can. There's mechanisms in Parliament where you can.
You've got to get sixty one members of Parliament supporting
the bill and it's drawn out of the biscuit tin
and immediately looked at, it becomes a bit of a problem.
There's one hundred and twenty three members of Parliament. The
sixty one have got to come from non executive members.
(33:06):
If you're in cabinet, you can't be you can't support
this one that takes fifteen out. So if we take
fifteen out of the coalition governments, we've got fifty three
MP so it needs all of those. It also needs
someone or eight others from either Labor, Greens or to
Party Maory. Now, the Greens won't support it in no
way at all. To Party Mariy won't, So we need
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eight Labor members to support it to give us sixty
one members pull it out of the biscuit box. Now,
I don't think that's going to happen. So I'm not sure,
but there may be grounds the if Cabinet pick up
the bill, they can actually action it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, it's interesting here in the email as well. Joseph's
bill would explicitly overturn the Supreme Court decision and prevent
that uncertainty by taking this new idea of climate change
damages off the table for the courts to meddle with.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Absolutely, and that's exactly the way it should be. It's
a bit ridiculous if they consider it. It's some figures here.
Let's say you took a million dollar claim against your
dairy farming neighbor for breach of duty as far as
climate change obligations go, million dollars sounds like a big claim.
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New Zealand's contribution to greenhouse cash emissions worldwide over the
whole sector of the whole economy is zero point one
seven percent. Agriculture is a bit less than fifty percent.
We'll say fifty percent for easy arithmetic, So agriculture is
contributing point zero eight five percent. So how do you
look at this? I mean, it's a worldwide problem. Gas
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emissions anywhere in the world affect our climate here. So
the court may say, okay, you've got a million dollars,
will allow you point zero eight five percent of that
comes to eight hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
There's so much to just unentail though, regaining this whole
climate change. Think the Paris Agreement, which has been under
the grease under the spotlight recently, where you're supposed to start.
I mean, this could be rich, going on for years,
almost decades.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
It could be. But if the High Court actually set
a precedent and say civil cases are allowed, I think
all hell break loose. The courts will be clogged.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Up, and we're not a litigating society. I mean, you
look at the Simpsons of Lionel Hearts and the likes
from back in the day and you chuckle about it.
But in America it's all about you know, have you
got a litigation case you need me to act upon.
I'm your man, the open and transparent. We don't want
to become that exactly.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
No American laws. Yeah, there's a lot of litigation in
America and some of them are quite ridiculous as well.
So I think Joseph Bill's unlikely to be get a
sixty one MPs to bring it out of the biscuit box.
So it's probably up to Cabinet to pull it out
and say, look, we need to look at this, and
need to look at it quickly because it's back in
the High Court and.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
The rest thing is always grant. Now you can listen
to this now, I'll just stay there.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Laugh out loud with ag pray because life on the
land can be a laughing matter waiting brought to us
by sheer well data working to help the livestock farmer.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I'm just playing Alan McCleary's sting because that's what you
do for laugh out loud.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
A rancher was minding his own business when an FBI
agent came up to him and said, we've got a
tip you may be growing illegal drugs on the premises.
Do you mind if I look around? The rancher replies
that's fine, you shouldn't go over there. The whole points
to the field. The agent snaps, I'm an agent. I'll
go wherever I want. We're first. He pulls out his
badge and shoves it in the rancher's face. The rancher
shrugs this off and continues off his daily chores. Fifteen
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minutes later, he hear a loud scream from the field.
He pointed out too early, and suddenly he sees it
FBI agent spreading towards him with a mess of ball
hot on his heels. The rancher rushes to the fence
and yells, your badge, show him your bed. We are
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away to the river ere of the South, which is Riverton.
This is the must of the song. Is bored in
the USA, or daddy was born in the USA. But
Jordy Eat is farming over at Riverton joins us this
afternoon he is a dairy farm to go to go
along with the sheep farming operation. Good afternoon, Jordy, or
that doesn't sound as it's too good.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, that's a bit of a challenge any here, you can.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh, look, we're hoping over here. But the figure is
these rainfall figures. Do you tell me before the rain
you've had for September go through these figures for us?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, it was pretty funny, you said people in the USA,
But like Forrest Gump, we've had sideways rain, we've fed
upwards rain we've had we haven't had much just straight
downwards rain. But we've had for September return in twenty mils.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
That's almost lamb last year's proportions, is it not.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, we had two twenty for the whole September last year,
so we're running the head were September we've had since
we've been on this farm. We've been here in two
thousand and one was twenty ten in the snowstorm, we
had two sixties. So we're we're on track for a
record or it's going to be a dry second half
of September.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
How did August treat You would have been pretty good
on imagine, all things considered, which in a way was
a savior.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, well, it still one hundred and twenty odd mells,
but you know, probably a bit warmer, but you know,
the dry July, so I would have said it was
probably a dry well had a dry time of the year,
sort of got indication from a couple of mates we've
an ever drought, but no, I think we've had a
dry time of the year.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, so your rainfall figures will be on power with
what you traditionally have, probably above again.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, now we've cought straight back up again. So yeah,
so I would think we're probably just gonna have a
normal evere rainfall year of around that thirteen fourteen hundred
melts for seasons. And I would say, as we see
out the year.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Well, it's it's the eighteenth of February, eighteenth September. You've
had what just on nine inches, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah. Yeah, Well we had thirty eight meals just on
Saturday alone, and most of that came pure sideways. So
I don't know how rain gates worked, but I suppose
are the angles works, But yeah, they got thirty eight
meals that day in it.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
As far as the lambing situation, you're probably running the
gats of it as well.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, right in the guts of it. Now. I took
the decision this year to sort of lamb about three
days later, and that was probably a bit of a savior.
I'll just ti when they had dead lamb telly up
there or forty least than last year, so that's probably
a bit of a positive, even though it had more rain.
But grass coves have definitely happened more than I had
this time last year. And we're at the next lot
to start lemon yesterday and you know, I've been Hold've
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been able to have sort of three days later that
then going out too, which has been a bit of
a benefit. So you know, in all positive, it's nice
we've had. Nice to see a bit of wind, but
not extreme lot we've had because the wind does dry
things out of it.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And you're so temperature today over there Riverton ten degrees.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, well that's surprising. Yeah, if you'd asked me what
it was, I wouldn't have said be ten degrees because
we certainly do need it to grow. But because it
hasn't grown much in the last ten days.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
What would you have said? It was probably about six
to seven?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh, yes, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I would have seen above
the six, but probably seven seven, I would have said,
because we definitely haven't been you know, that's probably only
just climb that because of the last two or three days.
But you know, at the weekend, I would have said
it was probably six or seven.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So how are your feed covers?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, on the sheet farm here, not too bad. Dairy
farm we're on second round. We sort of do something
a bit different there. We just sort of probably gallop
around and try not do past damage, and then second
round and were up and shed feeding or do stilos.
I don't see much. Yeah, I'm sort of new to
the dairy game, but I don't see much and damaging
passes and trying to push that that first round out
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to the end of September and then stuffy passes along
the way. That doesn't go with me. So yeah, so
I sort of find it's better just to you know,
south and it's going to come right somewhere along the line.
And I mean last year it took a bit longer,
but yeah, you normally get it out in the long run.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
As far as carving, that'll be well through. I'd imagine, yeah, know,
well through.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We're down to sort of the last sort of fifteen
so things have really gone well there. We're ahead of production,
not so much for the year yet, we're going to
be shortly, but we're head of for September.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So how intense, how intensive on the lemming bt are you.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Oh, I'm still reasonings. I'll do the morning in an afternoon.
But it's nice sort of since we had the dry fund,
the sheep don't scan a high. I used to wat
traditionally scan around that two teen was. Now I'm down
around that one nineteen, so I don't have quite the
trips I used to them. That heads removed a lot
of my work. But you know, one of the biggest things,
I think probably for the lambing that we've used in
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the last four or five years, the dextros into the stomach,
and I'm quite a bigificate of that, and that sort
of saved a lot of more time and ease. And
you know, I can get these lambs inside and they
don't have to have their closs from straight away, you know,
then get on the warm and get warmed up. Then
get the classroom when they've sort of come around a bit.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Because you go into wool sheds around the South at
the moment and all you can see is lambs just
under cover under the warmth of the hate lamp or whatever.
There's coffee mugs everywhere, there's music going because that's just
part and pars. And unfortunately it seems as though the
Mother nature's giving us another serve.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, it's part and past and I probably you know
when the weather fine like yesterday, the day for it
is probably called a pleasurable sort of a job. And
you don't enjoy a beer there, we have a a
few drinks sitting on the on the fridge the end
that you can act a variety at the end of
the day, and when it's a nice good day, it's
quite a pleasurable to sit the in habit of the
yard and respect what's gone down.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well, that's a great tip you bring up there as well, Geordy,
because we coincidentally you serve the real support trusts good
Trina Thomas Design, she's speaking the Beef and lambstot this afternoon,
but asking farmers about tips what they do at this
time of year, just to deviate away from the norm,
to break out the monoton the other day, especially when
mother Nature isn't playing well. What's a couple of other
things you reckon are a good idea?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Another one is I go to the Rainbow Confectory nearly
empty them out of seconds lollies, and so I always
have lolly's on hand and the sheet there. So when
you ever walking past you can just grab a lolly
and chew on it for the next half an hour,
so or a lollipop or something like that, you know,
just something to change the scenery. And I mean in
some mess do it's quite good because the kids. The
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kids are pretty keen to come and get it too.
When the noses Holly and.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Those pair of over lollies kicked.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
But oh yeah, you know we had to lay Actually,
I think we've got there that much of them. We
haven't really got them there this.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Year really, so we can blame you for that.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, they weren't on the tickends popular.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We talk about the situation on head as well. Look,
that's a big thing at the moment, isn't it. Just
trying to keep yourself fresh when you're going through groundhog
day when the weather isn't playing ball. So just offering
tips and just catching up with mates, sending a snap,
seeing and getting on a WhatsApp group or whatever and
just chewing the fat, taking the purse. You just do
what you got to do.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Oh, you're definitely over Ruben Hopcroft. And we're probably in
communication two or three teachers a day of it. And
if I'm not seeing them on the road, and I mean,
you know, you just always touch on base and they've
got another mates and deeply when we picked Thompson at
at Thompson's crossing, and I mean we're always in communication
one another. Just haven't a bit of a laugh. And
you know, you got to see the sun comes out
in the south and news redvice does get you down.
(43:57):
But yeah, they just got to hope that it comes
out the long run. I mean, we just killed the
last of their drag lambs last two days ago, and
teen dollars thirty. I just hope we can still keep
a portion of that when we actually do start killing lambs.
That would be that great.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
That's as good as money as you've seen for red meat.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh ever, yeah, totally yeah, you know, and to get
that sort of money for Italian lambs, it's just you know,
we left at the wrong time, shouldn't we be? You know,
it sort of makes an embarrassment really when you come
to December and that you know, we near the money.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You get in the past, and just before we finish
up as well. I mean you can talk about positives
or stags. They've got the chance for redemption this weekend,
all right, You just got to flash the Daddy on Sunday.
That was terrible what they served up at Rugby Park.
So they've got Wellington. I think they might not have
beaten them since two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, they've got I just saw there this morning too,
the sort of without two of their strike.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, they've been bad boys.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah, been bad boys. But they sort of looked as
though that they probably need a bit of a spell anyway.
But yeah, it was pretty bad weekend. Really. I don't
know whether they get any worse. I mean, whether that
stuff sort of comes in threes, I don't know, but yeah,
I would have said probably the Southern's performance was actually
even worse than the All Blacks one. Really.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, of that last ten minutes, all those tries just
appeared out of nowhere, and at one stage of a
mem appeared saying stop it the ded already the old
Simpsons quote, But we go again to stag fans of
nothing else, the golden ness on the left that we
live in hope. Always got to catch up Jordy Red
and appreciate your time when the battle's going on, not
let the sun shine.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
And you said you had to get you.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Antler's up Indeed, Jordy Reed did. Those rainfall numbers though unbelievable,
especially considering where we were four weeks ago. Nonetheless, that's
us over and done with for the morning. I mean,
he mure. This has been the best of the muster
thanks to your company. Enjoy the weekend. Go the stags
to Steve.
Speaker 8 (46:02):
You're on the road.
Last night our have the Strangers dream A very good
morning and welcome along to the Best of the Muster.
My name's Andy Muller, appreciate your company. The Best of
the Muster as a collaboration of interviews during a rather
hectically here at Hokanu e HQ, almost to the point
that you could feel used out, such as being the
(00:26):
way that things have moved over the past five days.
But we're starting off of Andy Dennis, who farms near
Manipori in the basin up there around Fieldland. Kaka talks
about the landing season today, how he's found it so
far and just how situation has changed as to what
we see not that long ago, although he seems to
be getting through as he says, you know it is
(00:48):
that time of year. We've been there before. Paul Allison
was on the show The Voice of a Targo Rugby
as well as the Highlanders dissecting the All Blacks loss
to South Africa, the record loss last week and it
seems like a lifetime we're going now and what actually
needs to occur with the All Blacks heading into the
Bledisloe Cup in a week's time. Don Morrison, wallow Bank
(01:09):
farmer and a Lions board director talking about the backtrack
by the government regarding agribusiness and schools. Now, this announcement
came out only almost like not forty eight hours after
Erica Stamford announced this is going to occur. So Don
talks about why we need to keep agriculture relevant in
the curriculum. Graham Butcher was on the program talking about
(01:29):
a bill that Joseph Mooney has introduced into Parliament regarding
the ability to sue around Greenhouse guesses and jordiyed at
the river Era of the South Riverton with some extraordinary
rainfall numbers for September. Like Andy, he's right in the
middle of lambing, and Jordi just says, we're just very
(01:50):
fortunate that winter played its part like it did. So
without further Ado, we'll start the hour with Andy Dennis.
This is the best of the muster. Andy Dennis is
on the Gold Coast of the South Island, which is beautiful.
Men of POORI and joins us this afternoon in the
(02:10):
Sergeant Dan farming around up. Thanks for Sergeant Dan. Stop
foods here and Gore. Good afternoon, Andy. How was the
Gold Coast of the South today, God.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
It's pretty wet. Yeah, we've had a we've had a
typical September so far, a lot of rain, a lot
of northwest rain, sort of warm enough, but yeah, it's yeah,
we're we're pretty wet now on the foot and sort
of the next sort of ten days, if we don't
start getting some sun, we're going to get right on
top of covers if we're not already there now. So yeah,
(02:42):
it's about where we're at in the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So as far as these winds you were saying before,
this more northwesterly, so it hasn't been as cold.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, it's been sort of a yeah, we've had a
lot of rain. There's been snow on the tops every night,
so it's definitely coldish. But when it hasn't been from
the south, like a lot of the rest of southenings
were getting a lot of subties, haven't they, So you know,
they can they can sort of have a high roat
and lambs, whereas we just sort of tick around. And yeah,
(03:13):
it's not as bad.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
As last year.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Last year was, Yeah, that was was that two undred
and fifty miles for the first twelve days of September whatever,
That was terrible, But yeah, we're gonna need some sun
so in otherwise where we just back on track. But yeah,
I mean it's been a it's been a squeeze to
get through the season from that dry and you know,
to get your crops the last and ever glass we
should have probably you know, you're pretty much expecting they
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have a little bit of feet to set stock on
and there it's there. It's on track to be the
typical September seat and September.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, so catasm the likes you've had a bit of fade.
Darevid just disappear because of these cool the temperatures I suppose.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, no, we're just caught up with it there. So yeah,
bring on some sun. But yeah, we're getting we're sort
of getting a five break even here and then so
yeah hopefully well, well you know what it's like, you
just get through September here, you can come out the
other side either and it's one way or the other.
Sort of sets up the rest of the season, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So hell's lambing bean for you.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
So far, you're not too bad. I've had a higher
rate of abortion than the older use. Yeah, I'd say
it's probably double where we usually are, So yeah, I'll
sort of have some shaded out some week drives the
last couple of days. So we'll put them on a
truck and make them. We'll weave it, just make things go.
But yeah, are there seems to be a few leaves around. Yeah,
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it'll be around here bridge, just like it's again, he
wasn't great, So you can't expect leming to be a
whole lot better either.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Are you intensive on the leaming beat?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Not really, well, not not as probably, No, No, I
could be more intensive, But you start running out a path,
don't you after a while, And yeah, the suf ticks.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
That's sort of done.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And now we sort of start on the wrong so
they're still two theirs and cheap the lamb. So I
used to do quite a lot of mother ups and
sort of make everyone count. But it creates a lot
of work. And I sort of started that way.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And then yeah, we're all that wet.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Weather and you could just see that you can go
and put yours and lambs and boxes and everything else,
and I just pick up bugs. So I h is
about the fifth I gave up mother ups and that
might be me for the rest of my life. Actually,
that's here I'm feeling at the moment it all said
and done, it's it's yeah, it saves a lot of
work because you've got to get grain fed out and
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you've got to keep feeding hinds, and you know, there's
other stuff to be done on farms. So yeah, you
can only do what you can do some days.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So any of you without a lamb that she's down
the road.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yes, yep, yep, see will be this year.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah, So that's just.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Here it goes. Usually once the romney's get going, you
get a better survivability, so they are all the younger sheeps,
so it seems to go better. But yeah, I can't
do anything. If you've you know, you've had abortion earlier
on in older yous is, you can't do anything about that.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So that's just here it goes.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
That's farming.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, so move on.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And I understand you've got a slinky run happening up
there too.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, no, we have got a shrinking run for the
first time. I can't remember. It would be five or
six years ago.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I reckon it stopped up.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Here, so yeah, full of ben. But now he's from Winton,
he's running it. So yeah, I haven't didn't even ask
him a bit price. I just thought it was great
to get it going again. So yeah, out the gate
they go, not down a hole.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, well you might en up for a little bit
of a check for the pub later on.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Well, if you don't know, everything's positive, isn't it? You know,
everything's a surprise.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And the rest thing as well. Now. The Robobank Farmer
Confidence Survey came out recently and for the fourth consecutive quarters,
saying that confidence is coming back into the industry just
quickly as well. Jamie mccode talked about this as Todd
Jatter as just previously, but nonetheless I'll get your thoughts
around this, saying that confidence and the broader agri economy
and high are now the second highest level across the
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last decade. Monks farmers holding a positive outlook and agri
economy higher commodity of prices were cited as a major
source of optimism, with increasing demand and following interest rates
being there as well. Farmers expectations of their own farm
business performance over the next twelve months also marginally up
as well. Dairy farmer's sheep and beef farmers are more positive,
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more so than growers. Farmer investment intentions were largely unchanged. Oh,
dairy farmers have the strongest investment intent horticulturalists the weakest.
And finally, concern over the recent increase in the US
tower fraid of New Zealand goers of fifteen percent is Max,
what are your initial thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'm glad you had to start, not me, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
I have a bit of paper in front of me
where it's written down.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, very well done. Andy wants to on a way
to start on Monday. No, yeah, I'd agree with all that.
Marginally is probably the word.
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Everyone's everyone's stepping feeling more positive.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But I think people.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Over the last few years just sort of don't get
too ahead of yourselves and just sort of, yeah, look
to the future in just sort of baby steps, I suppose.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But yeah, I mean your prices are at all time
high across the.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Board, which is great.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
We just yeah, you need those seasons and you need
their environment to sort of click the same to be
able to read those rewards. And yeah, sitting in September
when looking around about to start raining again makes you wonder,
makes things a wee bit tough to look too forward.
But yeah, I can see what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah, how do you seem WHAREM pinning out over the
next not say twelve months, but perhaps twelve to eighteen months?
Or is it too hard to ball get crystal bull
gaze as such?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
No, I think you know we're we're wearing for a
good run.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But yeah, I think it's it's not getting too carried away.
Get some deep down instead of paying that high entrance ball,
look at maybe more debt repayments and just sort of
set yourselves up for a long term sort of goals.
Really over then over the new purchases of getting two
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carried away, I'm pretty conservative generally.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Just finally, Indy, we've I've been talking to fanners over
the last week or so about little tricks of the
trade they've got for the busy September period. What's something
you do to deviate away from the norm to keep
yourself saying at this time of year, what's something you
can pass on for.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
I think it's just the same as everyone else, Like
you sort of just got to go through gat and
do a shuffle if you think you need a shuffle.
And we're not all shape, we're not all deal. We've
got to mix. So sometimes you're just punch and feed
off something to go and feed something else for a
while and then yeah, but yeah you've got to get
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off when you've got to have a break every here
and then just yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, the team
was never fun and saffing is it like, let's be honest.
So you just somehow you get through the other side
and it's done and you start getting things start warming
up and things start coming right, and then yeah, and
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then it all starts all over again. So well we'll
get this week drives gone, and there's some works names
gone and the middle of the week and some days today,
so you start lighting it load and and he just
keep boxing on, really, don't you?
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Andy Dennis always appreciate your time on the Must you
enjoy the Gold Coast of the South of South today?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, well hopefully the gold casters turn it back on
as usual, but yeah, thats what it is. We'll keep
taking away.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Thanks Eddie, welcome back to the muster. Before you wrap up,
Paul Ellison, the voice of a Tiger Rugby. You can
hear his commentaries on Goldsport joins us. The song is
Dreams by the Cranbereese Paul, Welcome to the muster. By
the way. Unfortunately it wasn't a dream over the weekend
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for Southlanders and All Blacks fans. It was just one
big nightmare.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It was a nightmare.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
In fact, it was two big nightmares, to be fair,
one for the All Blacks and then one for the
Southland Stags. I was driving back from Dunedin listening to
the match on the radio with Elliot's Smiths commentary after
commentating on the Otago Tadanake match, and I drove up
the driveway and my wife greeted me quite excitedly said, look,
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it's a really good game. We still got twenty minutes
to go. The score was seventeen to ten at that stage.
I wish I had a driven a hell of lot
slower and missed the last twenty minutes, to be fair,
because it really just was one way traffic by the
South Africans and the All Blacks looked like they had
no answers in that final stages of that match. And
then I tuned into the Stags yesterday afternoon after being
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at the Otago Rugby Clubs Like members function, and I
saw another capitulation there. I wasn't sure what the goal
was when they changed the jerseys. But it's been a
two week hangover now for the Stags with fifty four
fourteen sixty four ten and the wheels have fallen off
after what was the promising start to the Bunnings MPC.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
So a bit of a bleak weekend.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
In the Deep South, although Otago managed to get a
little bit of bright sunshine in a very windy afternoon
in Dunedin and keep their quarter final hopes alive. But
the Stags have got a bit of work to do
and you just wonder whether that is a bit of
post shield blues.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Now as far as they All Blacks, what was the
difference from last week? I mean they held onto that
record at eden Park. Did too much time and energy
go into that? Perhaps a couple of things.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
I think the rain favored the All Blacks eden Park.
The South African has made a lot of uncharacteristic errors.
South Africa made widespread changes to the attemps, so they
come with a refreshed lineup.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
The All Blacks would have been a little bit tight
and beat up.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
They pretty much stayed with the same same with just
a little bit of small tinkering.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
With Carter coming in and Noah hoos them coming in.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
But not too many changes, whereas the spring Box made
six changes to their back lines, two or three to
their forwards and had a real refreshed look to them.
They took them attacking mindset into the game, and I
think they brought a lot of confidence. You just have
to question maybe the staleness of the All Blacks.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I looked at them in Argentina.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
In that match in Cordova, there was fifty three players
and officials on the field during their warm up, which
lasted for about an hour, and that meant that there
was the thirty six players, plus a huge big coaching
staff and fitness advisors and probably strength and conditioning trainers
and the like. I look across on the other side
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of the pitch and the spring the Argentinians had thirty
five and that was the players the reserves who were
playing in the defensive screens, and they only have four
coaches in total in Argentina.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I just wonder with this army of players.
Speaker 6 (13:59):
And officials that the All Blacks have, whether there's too
many voices going into the players heads and they just
don't quite have the clear mindset. I think they got
outplayed by South Africa on the field. Wonder they also
got outplayed by the mofterfield.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Is this going to put more doubts around Scott Robertson
given he's only two years in or was it too
really to tell?
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Probably a little bit early.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Same sort of pressure came on in Foster midway through
his tenure when he had a shocker when lost to
Ireland for the first time ever. In Duneda lost to
Argentina in Newcastle and lost a series.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
To Ireland as well.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Made some changes to the coaching make up at that stage,
with Plum Tree and Brad Moer getting sort of exited
out and Jason Ryan coming in along with Joe Smith,
and that sort of seemed to make a bit of
a difference leading up to.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
The World Cup.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Still early days for Scott Robertson, but the All Blacks
are under pressure. I think they'll wait and see until
after the Rugby Championship is over. We've got a chance
to redeem us else with two matches against Australia, one.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
At Eden Park and one in Perth.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But we know that.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Australia are up and down as well. You look at
this competition and you see that no country has won
two test matches in their own country and this championship
Argentina win and loss, South Africa win and loss against Australia,
New Zealand the same against South Africa and New Zealand,
Argentina against Australia and Australia. So the teams have got
no continuity and no consistency in this competition. And so
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it's not just the All Blacks. I mean, yes, it
was a record breaking loss, but the fact that teams
are struggling to put two consecutive performances together must be
a bit of a concern across or is this just
a reflection of how even rugby is now in world circles.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Well, that's the argument. I suppose teams have caught up
and where New Zealand were.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Yeah, I thought, think we've got the players, but they're
not gelling and that's the you know, they sort of
flattered to the seed to some degree.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
They look good at times.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
We thought last week after Eden Park, hey they might
get some momentum, the same players rewarded and.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Saying hey go again next week.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Rassi Erasmus said no, No, we're going to build depth
in our squad. We're going to run a whole new
team out pretty much. That was always his plan and
you can see at the back end of the game.
That's where the All Blacks have been struggling the last
twenty minutes in under Scott Robertson's watch. And I'm not
certainly saying it's Scott Robertson's fault, but they seemed to
be struggling in the last twenty minutes.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
We saw last year against.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
Australia in Australia the All Blacks had a big lead
and almost lost that in the last in the last
twenty minutes in the last second half. And then the
same thing we saw on Saturday night as well, when
the points start to mount and they come under pressure,
you All Blacks seem to just not finish well. Sometimes
you say it's the bench, but you know when you
bring on a decent bench with Fabian Holiday has been
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one of the standouts this year. To Mighty Williams came on,
but I go back to the lots of Cody Taylor
and I just feel that, you know, he's such a
such a key member of that side. You've got probably
the best four props to be able to play.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
With the group Newal Lomax and Williams. I don't think
there'll be any changes there.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
I think you've probably got your three best locks in
terms of Fabian Holland to pou Bai and Scott Barrett.
Scott Barrett the captain, well, he's not a lone man
out there. I mean, yes, he does make the calls
as the captain, but he's got a leadership team around him.
And have we got the best number ten that can
run a game? I'm just not sure whether Boden Barrett
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is as much of an outstanding player that he.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Has been over the years, is the answer.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think he's possibly slightly past his prime. But who
do you put in there? That's the question.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
You know, do you put Damian Mackenzie back there, who
struggled sometimes in the number ten jersey in All Blacks
and tight test matches?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
So you know, what do you do?
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I haven't got the answer. We'll wait and see two
weeks time. Can the All Blacks turn things around at
Eden Park? Well, they're going back to their favorite venue,
so maybe you'd say they've got a chance. After the
Australians also looking their wounds after a loss to Argentina
and Tidney.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Paul Elison. I appreciate you time I'm on the muster.
Great analysis.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Yeah, make sure you get your stags Jersey on. Don't
give up on them just yet. But they've got some
work to do. And some of the all blacks nice
to share. Andy, what song is.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Love?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I love.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
The songs called a love Rady Night by Eddie Rabbit.
It should be called a love of rady night any
time of year apart from September. This is the muster.
Don Morrison joins us next willow Bank Farmer, as well
as being in a Lions boart director. Good afternoon, how
he how things going in the trenches.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
I've got Andy, there plenty going on at the moment,
yet lamming right into it. They're just lambing very fast,
probably halfway through when you're supposed to start on the twelfth,
a few earlier ones, but the main mob started, but
going very fast. So yeah, the old the weather wasn't
great a few days ago, but I think the dam
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is often more. We'll certainly here it was more perceived
than we actually got. So a lot of live lambs,
and it always amazes me the resilience that some of
them have when they're born in that rubbish.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
As far as the wind, how bad was it out
at your place.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
That day? I can't remember was it Adah Saturday? Was
just yeah, it was it was cold. It just kept
coming in and bringing front. Although to be fair that
we were clear, so you know that's off in the
Savior when it can clear a bit and they can
get stop from being hunched up and getting have a drink.
So yeah, it wasn't much fun, but we had lots
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of live lambs and it's actually a good test that
we don't want weather like that. But certainly one of
the things we've been breeding for for many years is
is that survivability and resilience. Andy. You know, we've been
first playing at birth since or twenty five years now
to try and build up profiles of rams with high survival.
And the other thing that's probably helped is this GDF
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nine geen we've got, which is the twining geen. So
we're still getting our good standings, but we're cutting down
on the number of triplets and the number of singles,
so you know you're maximizing your opportunity. Once you haven't
got those triplets, there.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
No more rogue lambs on the suites.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
No, but that was a good fifty or sixty or
seventy US at lambs early and once again they were
a good test of survival. But no, that was a
wee head start we got. Now just the normal, the
normal thick of things.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Andy, how are your feek have.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
As looking to a little sunshine I supposed to be appreciated.
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Oh, there's every sheep hasn't got an equal powder. Unfortunately,
some are good and some aren't so good. That goes
for the grass covers and the shelter. But you've just
you've got a whole farm you've got to fill up
with sheep. So yeah, no, no, they're all right, Andy,
it's just you bit of sunshine would be good.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now we'll talk about that. We'll touch on this, how
agribusiness isn't being included in twenty twenty eight curriculum changes.
I spoke about this with Penny Simmons yesterday. Now what's
happening is agriculture and horticulture aren't going to be standalone
subjects in schools from twenty twenty eight. You're only going
to be industry lead instead. Now, Howe, what are your
thoughts around this. You've been to Lincoln, you've been and
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served your time at Bob's back in the day, obviously,
but at the same time we need to be encouraging
as much growth as we can, especially at secondary school age,
for people who want to future in agriculture.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
And it's probably been a long intergenerational unrecognition of of
the opportunity we have a egg and hought. So you know,
you look back when I went to school, which doesn't
seem that long ago, but as a wee while you know,
egg was certainly never tilted as a career opportunity unless
you wanted to go back to dad's farm. You know,
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even when I went to Lincoln, that was your pretty
narrow opportunities at the time. Your channeled to being a
valuer and a farmer, a banker or a farmer, where
pretty soon by the time we were graduated, there was
all sorts of commercial opportunities. You've got opportunities and marketing
sales the district HR and look, I know they graduates
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at of university have the highest employment straight out of
university employment rate, but you know it should be recognized
because it's yet huge opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Andy, Well, there's a lot more opportunities in agriculture these
days than what there was, say, twenty thirty years ago.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Though oh know we well, I guess certainly when you
look at those downstream opportunities, and that's what I'm saying,
there's massive opportunities in whatever field do you want to
work genetics, production, processing, supply chain logistics. You know that
it's massive. So it actually seems really crazy that we
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are that government and that has consistently hasn't recognized that.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
It sounds as though the government talks about playing a
big game regarding farming as such. Do you think they've
got the ball down on this occasion in quite a
big way?
Speaker 7 (22:52):
See, I think it's a tough gig out there for
the government. Andy. This recession or whatever we're in has
has been long running. When we haven't we haven't bounced
back from COVID like most other Western economies had, and
you know, people are hurting. It's it's understandable why it's
this frustration out there. And you know, look, I'm heavily
critical of this coalition government with some of their sidetracked
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stuff they've had, particularly around the treaty issues, some of
the resource management freeing up the stuff they're doing, which
hasn't added one single cent to our economy, and yet
they've really annoyed a whole lot of people. And you
throw that in with the economic frustration we're dealing with.
You know, it's not a good feel out there.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
But at the same time, agriculture's driving the economy as well.
That just seems to make it a little bit more bizarre.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Oh absolutely, And you're seeing the bounce back and our
rural communities, you know, we we were the first to suffer,
and it always the way it goes, it hurts from
our rural communities. I know one year ago, two years ago,
that was probably my toughest year farming in thirty years financially.
But you know, the urban scenes of the square wasn't
quite on then. But now you know, we're coming out
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of it. But those those urban you know, the urban
sector is really hurting a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Of positives around the lamb price. At the moment, we've
seeing record prices at the su yards. How we hopefully
this optimism continues into the season.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
Well two things for that, and you know you've got
great demand and a lot of our markets based on
you know, shortened protein supplies, particularly around the beef or
the beef certainly in America, but even the lamb. And
the other thing that's interesting is you know China, which
is was our biggest market, is still relatively depressed. So
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I guess the upside is when that Chinese economy can
lift a bit, we might have you know, that will
increase demand. But the fair on where those prices are
and our other markets is when does it reach a
tipping point that they substitute out of red meat back
to you back to poultry, back to back to pork,
things like that. So it's it's you know, the volatil
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is what makes me a little bit nervous.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Andy, Well, it was a volatilis the volatility around China especially.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Yeah, well they've had a suppressed economy ever since COVID,
so you know, we we all took that hat. Straight
after that, there was a very short bounce back, and
it's actually probably that American the American demand that's that's
actually still keeping us going pretty well. I think I've
read the last two years in grinding meat and the
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you know, the Hamburger mints has risen seventy three percent,
So that's certainly been a big part of that lift
and in your beef prices. But certainly lamb has been
you know, still good demand in the US for the lamb,
and the tariffs seemed to be not affecting that that
price point at the moment.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Okay, Donald, now it's time for you to say I
told you so. I sent you a chicky text the
other day after Boden Barrass set up that try in Auckland.
The captain seen another side of the All Blacks and
unfortunately it wasn't a good one. He's your chance to Rant.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I wouldn't say Rand that, Andy, I would just say,
you know, things start at the top, and you know,
Raiser was a product of a fairly you know, parochial
Canterbury push. You know he done very well, but you know,
no international experience. I was pretty critical back at the
time when we had the luck of Jamie, Joseph or Schmid.
There was people with a proven record and then unfortunately, Andy,
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every good team or great team has got to have
an inspirational captain. So whether that's John Eils and Martin Johnson,
friendsois Pina. You look at the French dessertoirl pulous Richie
mccare you know that's that's what you need. And I'm
afraid Scott might be a nice guy, but he's just
not not a leader, particularly when we have Ardie Savilla there.
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I saw Ardi a couple of games last year watch
from the grandstand, and incredible what he did with that
Mowanna pacifica team and just what his work raiders off
the ball, which you don't see on TV. But he
leads people. So yeah, that's it. Boden Barrett still doesn't
run up the line. Not an anti Barrett day. But
they're all nice guys, I'm sure, but you know you
need to get a second five center combination. So just
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keep watching this space, continue with where we are and.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
This is what we'll get.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Just one final thought, Howie, is it time for the
Indian R to open up the coaching position of the
ull Blacks to overseas coaches?
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Well, absolutely it should be. But I'm not suggesting that's
an overseas coach would be better because I think we've
got some of the best coaches there. I'm really saying
we need to look at the best coaches with a
proven track record amongst their own, amongst their own What
we need to do if we're going to play on
a level playing field, Andy, is have those foreign players
that should be available for selection. So you look at
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most of our other international op counter parts, they're certainly
using their best players where we're locking. A whole lot
of ours are out of their playing in Japan or France.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
You're going to be interesting. How we always appreciate your time.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Very good, Andy, look forward to the next time.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Welcome back to the muster, of course, being Wednesday. You've
got Wednesday Night Country this evening from seven pm. Thanks
to Regional for it. Cheryl Anderson's our host three hours
of country music. While you're out there in the carving
shed or the lambing shed feeding the lambs, there's something
for you to coddon into the seeding. Graham Butcher Farm
consultant joins me in studio. Good afternoon, What have you
done to the weather.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
It wasn't my fault. It was good this morning when
I left home and gored. But that's cracked up wet again.
But it's sort of warm.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, that's a good thing about it. It's the warmest rain.
It's just rain of another dimension. But what was it
looking like elt on farm when you have been.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
Out and about quite wet covers a relatively low It's
some I think demand as exceeding supply or growth, and
of course that won't fix itself until growth actually exceeds demand,
so it could be a week or two.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yet farmers seemed to be getting through lambing O.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
Cave, seemed to be they would like a bit more
grass now. User just getting into full lactation now and
they need the feed to do it to support it.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Right today, we're talking about Smith versus Fonterra. Now, there
was an email come out from Bryce McKenzie of Groundswell
talking about well, he basically talks about Joseph Mooney here,
who's put a bill into the member's ballot to prohibit
civil lawsuits about greenhouse gas emissions and climate change consequences. Now,
one thing when you get an email from Groundswell, try
(29:28):
not to talk about it in a Bryce McKenzie voice.
He just devolked to it. And this is interesting Smith
versus Fonterra. You were saying this has been going on
for five years now.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Yes, started in twenty twenty. It's really important because it's
all about the right of people to sue someone else
or a company or some sort of entity for damages
because they're breaching their obligations for climate change. So Joe
Bloggs could sue his neighbor farmer for a million bucks.
Now you can't do that at the moment, So Joseph
(30:00):
his bill is to prevent that. But things have happened
over the five years. And I've got a we So
I got that email this morning and it's flown under
the radar, this one, so I wasn't aware of it.
So I jumped on the computer and got a bit
more detail about it. And it's quite worrying really, this one.
So it all started in twenty twenty when Smith, who
(30:23):
is the climate change spoke person for the EWE Forum
Council or EWEE Chairs Forum. So it's an e WEE
driven thing. They are sewing Fonterra, BT Mining, Dairy Holding,
New Zealand, Steel z Energy, Channel Infrastructure and Genesis Energy
for breach of duty to cease contributing to climate change, right,
(30:46):
and they're doing it on three accounts one public nuisance,
two negligence and three breach of duty to cease contributing
to climate change. So back in twenty twenty there was
a High Court ruling and everything was thrown out was denied.
So the EWE Cheers Forum went to the appeal Court
and it failed. They went to the Supreme Court and
(31:10):
it has recently succeeded. The Supreme Court have made a ruling.
I'll just read it here. This is the conclusion of
the Supreme Court for the reasons above, and the reasons
above is quite a few hundred pages. The appeal is
allowed and the appellant's claim is reinstated. Mister Smith is
represented on a pro bono basis and does not seek costs.
(31:33):
Whatever the outcome he sought. That costs lie where they
fall in this court, as they have done so in
other courts. That's good because of the because the proceeding
is brought against a public interest basis and has further
implications beyond the case at hand. We agree, the appeal
is allowed, the appellent his claims reinstated, and there is
(31:56):
no order to cost. So it's back in the High
court light for civil litigations for climate change consequences. Now
that's huge. Now you can imagine what could happen if
the succeeds. So Joseph Muni has done a really good
thing here and I believe you've got him on the
program tomorrow, so really good to get his point of
(32:17):
view on this. He's put a in the biscuit tin
if you like a bill prohibiting civil litigation for climate
change consequences. I don't know how many bills are in
the biscuit tin or how long they take to get
drawn out, but I suspect it could be quite a
long time. So maybe Joseph knows how many bills there
(32:38):
are in the biscuit box. If anybody knows, he probably should.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I think he's trying to buy pass the biscuit tin
with this way.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Well you can. There's mechanisms in Parliament where you can.
You've got to get sixty one members of Parliament supporting
the bill and it's drawn out of the biscuit tin
and immediately looked at, it becomes a bit of a problem.
There's one hundred and twenty three members of Parliament. The
sixty one have got to come from non executive members.
(33:06):
If you're in cabinet, you can't be you can't support
this one that takes fifteen out. So if we take
fifteen out of the coalition governments, we've got fifty three
MP so it needs all of those. It also needs
someone or eight others from either Labor, Greens or to
Party Maory. Now, the Greens won't support it in no
way at all. To Party Mariy won't, So we need
(33:27):
eight Labor members to support it to give us sixty
one members pull it out of the biscuit box. Now,
I don't think that's going to happen. So I'm not sure,
but there may be grounds the if Cabinet pick up
the bill, they can actually action it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, it's interesting here in the email as well. Joseph's
bill would explicitly overturn the Supreme Court decision and prevent
that uncertainty by taking this new idea of climate change
damages off the table for the courts to meddle with.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Absolutely, and that's exactly the way it should be. It's
a bit ridiculous if they consider it. It's some figures here.
Let's say you took a million dollar claim against your
dairy farming neighbor for breach of duty as far as
climate change obligations go, million dollars sounds like a big claim.
(34:17):
New Zealand's contribution to greenhouse cash emissions worldwide over the
whole sector of the whole economy is zero point one
seven percent. Agriculture is a bit less than fifty percent.
We'll say fifty percent for easy arithmetic, So agriculture is
contributing point zero eight five percent. So how do you
look at this? I mean, it's a worldwide problem. Gas
(34:40):
emissions anywhere in the world affect our climate here. So
the court may say, okay, you've got a million dollars,
will allow you point zero eight five percent of that
comes to eight hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
There's so much to just unentail though, regaining this whole
climate change. Think the Paris Agreement, which has been under
the grease under the spotlight recently, where you're supposed to start.
I mean, this could be rich, going on for years,
almost decades.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
It could be. But if the High Court actually set
a precedent and say civil cases are allowed, I think
all hell break loose. The courts will be clogged.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Up, and we're not a litigating society. I mean, you
look at the Simpsons of Lionel Hearts and the likes
from back in the day and you chuckle about it.
But in America it's all about you know, have you
got a litigation case you need me to act upon.
I'm your man, the open and transparent. We don't want
to become that exactly.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
No American laws. Yeah, there's a lot of litigation in
America and some of them are quite ridiculous as well.
So I think Joseph Bill's unlikely to be get a
sixty one MPs to bring it out of the biscuit box.
So it's probably up to Cabinet to pull it out
and say, look, we need to look at this, and
need to look at it quickly because it's back in
the High Court and.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
The rest thing is always grant. Now you can listen
to this now, I'll just stay there.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Laugh out loud with ag pray because life on the
land can be a laughing matter waiting brought to us
by sheer well data working to help the livestock farmer.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I'm just playing Alan McCleary's sting because that's what you
do for laugh out loud.
Speaker 7 (36:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
A rancher was minding his own business when an FBI
agent came up to him and said, we've got a
tip you may be growing illegal drugs on the premises.
Do you mind if I look around? The rancher replies
that's fine, you shouldn't go over there. The whole points
to the field. The agent snaps, I'm an agent. I'll
go wherever I want. We're first. He pulls out his
badge and shoves it in the rancher's face. The rancher
shrugs this off and continues off his daily chores. Fifteen
(36:34):
minutes later, he hear a loud scream from the field.
He pointed out too early, and suddenly he sees it
FBI agent spreading towards him with a mess of ball
hot on his heels. The rancher rushes to the fence
and yells, your badge, show him your bed. We are
(37:00):
away to the river ere of the South, which is Riverton.
This is the must of the song. Is bored in
the USA, or daddy was born in the USA. But
Jordy Eat is farming over at Riverton joins us this
afternoon he is a dairy farm to go to go
along with the sheep farming operation. Good afternoon, Jordy, or
that doesn't sound as it's too good.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Yeah, that's a bit of a challenge any here, you can.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh, look, we're hoping over here. But the figure is
these rainfall figures. Do you tell me before the rain
you've had for September go through these figures for us?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, it was pretty funny, you said people in the USA,
But like Forrest Gump, we've had sideways rain, we've fed
upwards rain we've had we haven't had much just straight
downwards rain. But we've had for September return in twenty mils.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
That's almost lamb last year's proportions, is it not.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, we had two twenty for the whole September last year,
so we're running the head were September we've had since
we've been on this farm. We've been here in two
thousand and one was twenty ten in the snowstorm, we
had two sixties. So we're we're on track for a
record or it's going to be a dry second half
of September.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
How did August treat You would have been pretty good
on imagine, all things considered, which in a way was
a savior.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Yeah, well, it still one hundred and twenty odd mells,
but you know, probably a bit warmer, but you know,
the dry July, so I would have said it was
probably a dry well had a dry time of the year,
sort of got indication from a couple of mates we've
an ever drought, but no, I think we've had a
dry time of the year.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, so your rainfall figures will be on power with
what you traditionally have, probably above again.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Yeah, now we've cought straight back up again. So yeah,
so I would think we're probably just gonna have a
normal evere rainfall year of around that thirteen fourteen hundred
melts for seasons. And I would say, as we see
out the year.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Well, it's it's the eighteenth of February, eighteenth September. You've
had what just on nine inches, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah. Yeah, Well we had thirty eight meals just on
Saturday alone, and most of that came pure sideways. So
I don't know how rain gates worked, but I suppose
are the angles works, But yeah, they got thirty eight
meals that day in it.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
As far as the lambing situation, you're probably running the
gats of it as well.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yeah, right in the guts of it. Now. I took
the decision this year to sort of lamb about three
days later, and that was probably a bit of a savior.
I'll just ti when they had dead lamb telly up
there or forty least than last year, so that's probably
a bit of a positive, even though it had more rain.
But grass coves have definitely happened more than I had
this time last year. And we're at the next lot
to start lemon yesterday and you know, I've been Hold've
(39:23):
been able to have sort of three days later that
then going out too, which has been a bit of
a benefit. So you know, in all positive, it's nice
we've had. Nice to see a bit of wind, but
not extreme lot we've had because the wind does dry
things out of it.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And you're so temperature today over there Riverton ten degrees.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, well that's surprising. Yeah, if you'd asked me what
it was, I wouldn't have said be ten degrees because
we certainly do need it to grow. But because it
hasn't grown much in the last ten days.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
What would you have said? It was probably about six
to seven?
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Oh, yes, exactly, Yeah, yeah, I would have seen above
the six, but probably seven seven, I would have said,
because we definitely haven't been you know, that's probably only
just climb that because of the last two or three days.
But you know, at the weekend, I would have said
it was probably six or seven.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So how are your feed covers?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, on the sheet farm here, not too bad. Dairy
farm we're on second round. We sort of do something
a bit different there. We just sort of probably gallop
around and try not do past damage, and then second
round and were up and shed feeding or do stilos.
I don't see much. Yeah, I'm sort of new to
the dairy game, but I don't see much and damaging
passes and trying to push that that first round out
(40:29):
to the end of September and then stuffy passes along
the way. That doesn't go with me. So yeah, so
I sort of find it's better just to you know,
south and it's going to come right somewhere along the line.
And I mean last year it took a bit longer,
but yeah, you normally get it out in the long run.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
As far as carving, that'll be well through. I'd imagine, yeah, know,
well through.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We're down to sort of the last sort of fifteen
so things have really gone well there. We're ahead of production,
not so much for the year yet, we're going to
be shortly, but we're head of for September.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
So how intense, how intensive on the lemming bt are you.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Oh, I'm still reasonings. I'll do the morning in an afternoon.
But it's nice sort of since we had the dry fund,
the sheep don't scan a high. I used to wat
traditionally scan around that two teen was. Now I'm down
around that one nineteen, so I don't have quite the
trips I used to them. That heads removed a lot
of my work. But you know, one of the biggest things,
I think probably for the lambing that we've used in
(41:23):
the last four or five years, the dextros into the stomach,
and I'm quite a bigificate of that, and that sort
of saved a lot of more time and ease. And
you know, I can get these lambs inside and they
don't have to have their closs from straight away, you know,
then get on the warm and get warmed up. Then
get the classroom when they've sort of come around a bit.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Because you go into wool sheds around the South at
the moment and all you can see is lambs just
under cover under the warmth of the hate lamp or whatever.
There's coffee mugs everywhere, there's music going because that's just
part and pars. And unfortunately it seems as though the
Mother nature's giving us another serve.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, it's part and past and I probably you know
when the weather fine like yesterday, the day for it
is probably called a pleasurable sort of a job. And
you don't enjoy a beer there, we have a a
few drinks sitting on the on the fridge the end
that you can act a variety at the end of
the day, and when it's a nice good day, it's
quite a pleasurable to sit the in habit of the
yard and respect what's gone down.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well, that's a great tip you bring up there as well, Geordy,
because we coincidentally you serve the real support trusts good
Trina Thomas Design, she's speaking the Beef and lambstot this afternoon,
but asking farmers about tips what they do at this
time of year, just to deviate away from the norm,
to break out the monoton the other day, especially when
mother Nature isn't playing well. What's a couple of other
things you reckon are a good idea?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Another one is I go to the Rainbow Confectory nearly
empty them out of seconds lollies, and so I always
have lolly's on hand and the sheet there. So when
you ever walking past you can just grab a lolly
and chew on it for the next half an hour,
so or a lollipop or something like that, you know,
just something to change the scenery. And I mean in
some mess do it's quite good because the kids. The
(42:57):
kids are pretty keen to come and get it too.
When the noses Holly and.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Those pair of over lollies kicked.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
But oh yeah, you know we had to lay Actually,
I think we've got there that much of them. We
haven't really got them there this.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Year really, so we can blame you for that.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, they weren't on the tickends popular.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
We talk about the situation on head as well. Look,
that's a big thing at the moment, isn't it. Just
trying to keep yourself fresh when you're going through groundhog
day when the weather isn't playing ball. So just offering
tips and just catching up with mates, sending a snap,
seeing and getting on a WhatsApp group or whatever and
just chewing the fat, taking the purse. You just do
what you got to do.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Oh, you're definitely over Ruben Hopcroft. And we're probably in
communication two or three teachers a day of it. And
if I'm not seeing them on the road, and I mean,
you know, you just always touch on base and they've
got another mates and deeply when we picked Thompson at
at Thompson's crossing, and I mean we're always in communication
one another. Just haven't a bit of a laugh. And
you know, you got to see the sun comes out
in the south and news redvice does get you down.
(43:57):
But yeah, they just got to hope that it comes
out the long run. I mean, we just killed the
last of their drag lambs last two days ago, and
teen dollars thirty. I just hope we can still keep
a portion of that when we actually do start killing lambs.
That would be that great.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
That's as good as money as you've seen for red meat.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Oh ever, yeah, totally yeah, you know, and to get
that sort of money for Italian lambs, it's just you know,
we left at the wrong time, shouldn't we be? You know,
it sort of makes an embarrassment really when you come
to December and that you know, we near the money.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You get in the past, and just before we finish
up as well. I mean you can talk about positives
or stags. They've got the chance for redemption this weekend,
all right, You just got to flash the Daddy on Sunday.
That was terrible what they served up at Rugby Park.
So they've got Wellington. I think they might not have
beaten them since two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Yeah, they've got I just saw there this morning too,
the sort of without two of their strike.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Yeah, they've been bad boys.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Yeah, been bad boys. But they sort of looked as
though that they probably need a bit of a spell anyway.
But yeah, it was pretty bad weekend. Really. I don't
know whether they get any worse. I mean, whether that
stuff sort of comes in threes, I don't know, but yeah,
I would have said probably the Southern's performance was actually
even worse than the All Blacks one. Really.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, of that last ten minutes, all those tries just
appeared out of nowhere, and at one stage of a
mem appeared saying stop it the ded already the old
Simpsons quote, But we go again to stag fans of
nothing else, the golden ness on the left that we
live in hope. Always got to catch up Jordy Red
and appreciate your time when the battle's going on, not
let the sun shine.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
And you said you had to get you.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Antler's up Indeed, Jordy Reed did. Those rainfall numbers though unbelievable,
especially considering where we were four weeks ago. Nonetheless, that's
us over and done with for the morning. I mean,
he mure. This has been the best of the muster
thanks to your company. Enjoy the weekend. Go the stags
to Steve.
Speaker 8 (46:02):
You're on the road.
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