August 24, 2025 • 9 mins
Ben Dooley looks at feeding triplets and how he is trying to beat white muscle disease.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
I won't brought us up a mile the barb wire.
I got a couple step for a litter, a new house,
a lot of ruleside.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ben do he farms just out of windhom Sheep beef
and as well. He as a YouTube channel called Deep
South Sheep and Beef enjoins us, being good afternoon, How
are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh, not too bad? End of yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
An afternoon like this is pretty pleasant for the end
of August.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Pretty bloody good just going around early lemmos now. And yeah,
they're obviously enjoying the weather because they're not doing a
whole lot of bloody lemming waiting on the weather. It
will arrive at the end of the week. But that's
that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I suppose enough, when were they supposed to start.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Twenty third of August, so they're they're only in their
third day now. But yeah, there's not much happening, but
that's all right, I'll get there.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Days like this are just lounging out, showing their cards,
quite happy about things, I'd imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I just wouldn't mind if they started pushing a
few lambs out. That was all in this nice sunny
great to be born as a lamb weather.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Then we talk about technology on farming, the way things advance.
You just had the conveyor in this morning. This is
one of the things that has been implemented into a
farming system for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You see more positives and negatives around it.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh, it is just magic. This is only the second
year we've been doing it, and oh, it's just easier
on everyone. It's easier on us. We put seventeen hundred
years and six hundred and thirty hoggits throw it two
jebs for the US, one jeb one drink for the hogits,
and it took less than three hours this morning. We
used to do it all in the in the yards,
in the race and would do it in say four days.
(01:39):
So the US were in the in the in the
yards too long because they do they don't like being
stood off feed for six or seven hours. Yeah, he
used to break their backs doing it. Sort of wasn't
that great for the US either, squeezing them up in
a race. And yeah, you take that technology on cost
a little bit of money, it's not even that expensive
and makes everyone's life a whole lot easier.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, that's the thing is zo done with in the
blink of an eye, whereas if you're doing it yourself
and this costs come into it. But if you can
do it that way, it just freeze up time.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Absolutely, and even things like missshots, like when they're in
the conveyor, it's a lot easier not to do that
and make sure all the drench goes in the mouth
properly and everything, as opposed to wrestling with them in
a race. And I mean these things aren't like a
lot of those Twin News with the lambs and them
are probably eighty five naughety kilos. So yeah, just just
works out better, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And bentter, you get bent when you've got people working
in the mode like that too.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, that's good. Quite a good crew that come and
do it too, so that she's bloody good.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You want to talk about white muscle issues today, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I think so we're in a few hog its just talking.
A few mates are in the place and then people
you know that that well, not directly to events, but
yeah a lot of people were saying it's probably what muscle,
what you've got. So we just when we put them
over the conveyor, we just gave them a selling ized
five and one would be twelve. So hopefully it's enough
to pick them up and solve that issue. But not
(03:00):
something we've seen for a long time. I don't actually
remember seeing it all in my life, but yeah, just
they sort of go down on one side and they
can't get up there. They've got the energy, but they
just they can't get the balance there. The leagues aren't working.
So yeah, it was a new one for us to see,
and hopefully we'll fix that up now. But something to
keep it on, I guess, especially if you've got hoggits
(03:21):
on swedes.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
For a long amount of time, selenium deficiency has have
been a problem, well.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Not historically, although the last few years I have neglected
to put on the old selenium privals away bit between
not putting for it on at all and then the
last year ordering it, putting it on and then going
and you'll forgot something. But yeah, they do get a
reasonablemount of supplementation, and like the mixtage using the twis
the whole way through, and having that loose lick salt
which they seem to absolutely wolf down, which oh they do,
(03:49):
and the sult their bias. That sult looks as well
but yeah, so they should be fine. So maybe next
year we give to the Hoggits as well. Just not
something I'd really thought was necessary, but yeah, not saying
me a few more Hoggits next year.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
How many Hoggits do you reckon? You're lost?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's abit six or seven? I think I'm just trying
to think. Yeah, I think it is seven now year.
So we're frustrating, but just one of those things that
catches out sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You also want to talk about the feeding of triplets.
Graham Butcher on the show last week, saying that triplets
are a different kettle the fisher when it comes to feeding,
and also talking about perhaps doing some trials with triplets
being mixed in with singles.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Have you got some thoughts around this?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, I completely agree with them. Like there's triplets are
a massive pain. They're also a massive potential opportunity if
we can find a system that works better in their favor,
because we've got them and they don't seem to be
going anywhere in a hurry. If the oldge guys could
tell us that they could promise us no more triplets,
I think, or just a bit of vote for it
in the heartbeat, But they can't. So yeah, no, I
(04:50):
completely agree with what Graham was saying. You do have
to feed them a whole lot better. And what we've
found as we get them out of scanning time and
we feed them pretty well from then on and we
try to make them eat paddis down pretty hard through
July and into early August. But but you know, giving
them good feed, big breaks, just sort of making sure
they get that little bit of feed pressure at the
(05:12):
end of every break, because otherwise when you move them on,
they do get groggy. But do that in some sort
them at August and then a couple of breaks of
leaving a fair bit behind, and then we get them
in quite early to do their pre lam, like a
good five weeks before four or five weeks before their LAMB.
Get that out of the road, and that just seems
to alleviate any milk fever issues that we used to
see a lot of trying to do it. So the
(05:34):
twenty twenty fifth of August, do that and get them
spread out and some good feed, and then drive around
and pick up the casts every day. But yeah, no,
I just just sort of wanted to touch on that
the one thing you said that sort of did consider
me all weave it because we used to do it
was feeding a sheet nuts. I do think they're a
good thing and they certainly have their place, but that
can definitely be overdone because we used to feed them
(05:57):
just add lib from scanning on. We used to feed
them sheet nuts. Think we're doing the right thing, and
then we just lost sheep hand over foot were just
they were just too big and they just couldn't handle
it and had bearings everywhere. And yes, I guess we've
been a cavyt with it. They do need to be
feed very well, but you can go overboard.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
With it, just supplements it in the right situation though.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, absolutely, Like probably don't do three hundred grams a
sheet not today every day from skinning would be a
good idea because that's just a bit much fun. But yeah,
like I say, the sheetnuts are a great thing, and
they also you can get the high mineral ones home ignesium.
I think it is that keep just give them that
extra we boost the whole way along too.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So yeah, are they plovers in the background.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yes, I've got plovers, I've got oyster catchers, I've got
pied stilts. I think I've got some weird turns buzzing
around somewhere. They're just going nuts. As actually saw plover
chicks the other day.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The broad life at this time of year is spectacular
and of nothing else. You know that you go through
the changing of the seasons.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, yeah, well of course that crop paddics. It's a
mess of plane in the ass because I refuse to
run them all over apart from maybe the plubbers, so
I wound up with big missus all over the paddock.
But yeah, they are apart from the plubbers. They are
or notd a wildlife, aren't they. So it's cool to
see them around and they really seem to like nesting
in that dirip for some reason.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Just quickly to wrap up a lion straight with dawn meats.
What are your thoughts on at Dells.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, look, it's a real hard one. I don't think
it's a particularly great deal, but I don't think turning
the deal down is a good idea either. I've got
some views long term for the industry that we won't
get into today. Hopefully the later date there's a bit
more well, we know a bit more about what's going
on and what we're able to talk about that, but
(07:39):
I kind of feel like it's just the thing we
should take. We've got an option to get out or
get out of jail card here. I suppose you'd say,
if we don't take it, we're going to lose plants,
and people say we need to do that, and there
is some truth in that, but I just don't know
if losing that great, big plant at Lawnville is the
way to go. Alliance still kills something, what forty of
(08:04):
the sheep killed in the South Island, And I just
remember hearing stories from what from the previous generation here
back in the day. It's when Fourtex went broken and
space was really tight, and you'd see a stock truck
go down the road and you'd be on the phone
to your agent, who'd you give bloody space? Yeah? I
think we take this deal, and then we need to
(08:25):
talk about what we do with air industry, because it
is an industry wide problem. Alliance is the one that
has the most problems, but none of the companies are
doing particularly well, and we look at what's happening with Fonterra.
We can't go to that model exactly, but something's got
to change, and I think if we do this, we
can then start moving towards or at least start having
the conversation about what we think that should look like and.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The recent thoughts been left to follow us up in
a couple of weeks. Always good to catch up.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
No good on you and.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Ben Dooley on a Monday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
This is a master on hock and a Sandy Smith
is up next talking about daff It all Day, happening
this Friday. And before we wrap up, Claydon Peters out
of Peter's Genetics
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Little One Woman Baby
I won't brought us up a mile the barb wire.
I got a couple step for a litter, a new house,
a lot of ruleside.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ben do he farms just out of windhom Sheep beef
and as well. He as a YouTube channel called Deep
South Sheep and Beef enjoins us, being good afternoon, How
are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh, not too bad? End of yourself?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
An afternoon like this is pretty pleasant for the end
of August.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Pretty bloody good just going around early lemmos now. And yeah,
they're obviously enjoying the weather because they're not doing a
whole lot of bloody lemming waiting on the weather. It
will arrive at the end of the week. But that's
that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I suppose enough, when were they supposed to start.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Twenty third of August, so they're they're only in their
third day now. But yeah, there's not much happening, but
that's all right, I'll get there.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Days like this are just lounging out, showing their cards,
quite happy about things, I'd imagine.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I just wouldn't mind if they started pushing a
few lambs out. That was all in this nice sunny
great to be born as a lamb weather.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Then we talk about technology on farming, the way things advance.
You just had the conveyor in this morning. This is
one of the things that has been implemented into a
farming system for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You see more positives and negatives around it.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh, it is just magic. This is only the second
year we've been doing it, and oh, it's just easier
on everyone. It's easier on us. We put seventeen hundred
years and six hundred and thirty hoggits throw it two
jebs for the US, one jeb one drink for the hogits,
and it took less than three hours this morning. We
used to do it all in the in the yards,
in the race and would do it in say four days.
(01:39):
So the US were in the in the in the
yards too long because they do they don't like being
stood off feed for six or seven hours. Yeah, he
used to break their backs doing it. Sort of wasn't
that great for the US either, squeezing them up in
a race. And yeah, you take that technology on cost
a little bit of money, it's not even that expensive
and makes everyone's life a whole lot easier.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, that's the thing is zo done with in the
blink of an eye, whereas if you're doing it yourself
and this costs come into it. But if you can
do it that way, it just freeze up time.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Absolutely, and even things like missshots, like when they're in
the conveyor, it's a lot easier not to do that
and make sure all the drench goes in the mouth
properly and everything, as opposed to wrestling with them in
a race. And I mean these things aren't like a
lot of those Twin News with the lambs and them
are probably eighty five naughety kilos. So yeah, just just
works out better, doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And bentter, you get bent when you've got people working
in the mode like that too.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, that's good. Quite a good crew that come and
do it too, so that she's bloody good.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You want to talk about white muscle issues today, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I think so we're in a few hog its just talking.
A few mates are in the place and then people
you know that that well, not directly to events, but
yeah a lot of people were saying it's probably what muscle,
what you've got. So we just when we put them
over the conveyor, we just gave them a selling ized
five and one would be twelve. So hopefully it's enough
to pick them up and solve that issue. But not
(03:00):
something we've seen for a long time. I don't actually
remember seeing it all in my life, but yeah, just
they sort of go down on one side and they
can't get up there. They've got the energy, but they
just they can't get the balance there. The leagues aren't working.
So yeah, it was a new one for us to see,
and hopefully we'll fix that up now. But something to
keep it on, I guess, especially if you've got hoggits
(03:21):
on swedes.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
For a long amount of time, selenium deficiency has have
been a problem, well.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Not historically, although the last few years I have neglected
to put on the old selenium privals away bit between
not putting for it on at all and then the
last year ordering it, putting it on and then going
and you'll forgot something. But yeah, they do get a
reasonablemount of supplementation, and like the mixtage using the twis
the whole way through, and having that loose lick salt
which they seem to absolutely wolf down, which oh they do,
(03:49):
and the sult their bias. That sult looks as well
but yeah, so they should be fine. So maybe next
year we give to the Hoggits as well. Just not
something I'd really thought was necessary, but yeah, not saying
me a few more Hoggits next year.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
How many Hoggits do you reckon? You're lost?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
It's abit six or seven? I think I'm just trying
to think. Yeah, I think it is seven now year.
So we're frustrating, but just one of those things that
catches out sometimes.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
You also want to talk about the feeding of triplets.
Graham Butcher on the show last week, saying that triplets
are a different kettle the fisher when it comes to feeding,
and also talking about perhaps doing some trials with triplets
being mixed in with singles.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Have you got some thoughts around this?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah, I completely agree with them. Like there's triplets are
a massive pain. They're also a massive potential opportunity if
we can find a system that works better in their favor,
because we've got them and they don't seem to be
going anywhere in a hurry. If the oldge guys could
tell us that they could promise us no more triplets,
I think, or just a bit of vote for it
in the heartbeat, But they can't. So yeah, no, I
(04:50):
completely agree with what Graham was saying. You do have
to feed them a whole lot better. And what we've
found as we get them out of scanning time and
we feed them pretty well from then on and we
try to make them eat paddis down pretty hard through
July and into early August. But but you know, giving
them good feed, big breaks, just sort of making sure
they get that little bit of feed pressure at the
(05:12):
end of every break, because otherwise when you move them on,
they do get groggy. But do that in some sort
them at August and then a couple of breaks of
leaving a fair bit behind, and then we get them
in quite early to do their pre lam, like a
good five weeks before four or five weeks before their LAMB.
Get that out of the road, and that just seems
to alleviate any milk fever issues that we used to
see a lot of trying to do it. So the
(05:34):
twenty twenty fifth of August, do that and get them
spread out and some good feed, and then drive around
and pick up the casts every day. But yeah, no,
I just just sort of wanted to touch on that
the one thing you said that sort of did consider
me all weave it because we used to do it
was feeding a sheet nuts. I do think they're a
good thing and they certainly have their place, but that
can definitely be overdone because we used to feed them
(05:57):
just add lib from scanning on. We used to feed
them sheet nuts. Think we're doing the right thing, and
then we just lost sheep hand over foot were just
they were just too big and they just couldn't handle
it and had bearings everywhere. And yes, I guess we've
been a cavyt with it. They do need to be
feed very well, but you can go overboard.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
With it, just supplements it in the right situation though.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, absolutely, Like probably don't do three hundred grams a
sheet not today every day from skinning would be a
good idea because that's just a bit much fun. But yeah,
like I say, the sheetnuts are a great thing, and
they also you can get the high mineral ones home ignesium.
I think it is that keep just give them that
extra we boost the whole way along too.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So yeah, are they plovers in the background.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yes, I've got plovers, I've got oyster catchers, I've got
pied stilts. I think I've got some weird turns buzzing
around somewhere. They're just going nuts. As actually saw plover
chicks the other day.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
The broad life at this time of year is spectacular
and of nothing else. You know that you go through
the changing of the seasons.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, yeah, well of course that crop paddics. It's a
mess of plane in the ass because I refuse to
run them all over apart from maybe the plubbers, so
I wound up with big missus all over the paddock.
But yeah, they are apart from the plubbers. They are
or notd a wildlife, aren't they. So it's cool to
see them around and they really seem to like nesting
in that dirip for some reason.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Just quickly to wrap up a lion straight with dawn meats.
What are your thoughts on at Dells.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yeah, look, it's a real hard one. I don't think
it's a particularly great deal, but I don't think turning
the deal down is a good idea either. I've got
some views long term for the industry that we won't
get into today. Hopefully the later date there's a bit
more well, we know a bit more about what's going
on and what we're able to talk about that, but
(07:39):
I kind of feel like it's just the thing we
should take. We've got an option to get out or
get out of jail card here. I suppose you'd say,
if we don't take it, we're going to lose plants,
and people say we need to do that, and there
is some truth in that, but I just don't know
if losing that great, big plant at Lawnville is the
way to go. Alliance still kills something, what forty of
(08:04):
the sheep killed in the South Island, And I just
remember hearing stories from what from the previous generation here
back in the day. It's when Fourtex went broken and
space was really tight, and you'd see a stock truck
go down the road and you'd be on the phone
to your agent, who'd you give bloody space? Yeah? I
think we take this deal, and then we need to
(08:25):
talk about what we do with air industry, because it
is an industry wide problem. Alliance is the one that
has the most problems, but none of the companies are
doing particularly well, and we look at what's happening with Fonterra.
We can't go to that model exactly, but something's got
to change, and I think if we do this, we
can then start moving towards or at least start having
the conversation about what we think that should look like and.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
The recent thoughts been left to follow us up in
a couple of weeks. Always good to catch up.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
No good on you and.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Ben Dooley on a Monday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
This is a master on hock and a Sandy Smith
is up next talking about daff It all Day, happening
this Friday. And before we wrap up, Claydon Peters out
of Peter's Genetics
Speaker 1 (09:09):
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