November 23, 2025 • 9 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome back to the muster on Hakanui. Eric Croix, former MP,
as well as having a number of portfolios amongst his
name these days as well, environment South and Counselor amongst them,
joins us once again, you're a good afternoon. How are thanks?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh yep, good afternoon and good afternoon listeners. Ye got
a bit of growth at your now. Now we can
get pass waving in the wind. So we've kind of
turned a week corner there, so I'm to him pretty
good really.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So what's the ground situation in general?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Though it feed okay, it's still getting a lot of rain.
I had a bit of a looker on Saturday there,
but I just decided she was a bit wet for
the discs. It's about a third of every peddic. I thought,
oh no, I can't go around that. So we'll wait.
But gravity will keep it there. I'll get it done
before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So you're not freshing about it not being done. It
will happen.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Fretting doesn't solve any problems here. Any threading solve any problems.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Okay, so we called this a panteen effect. It won't
happen overnight, but it will happen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, it's going to happen. Don't worry. I'm on the
case or there.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We gave them, there's nothing to fear. Eric is here. Look,
we talk about this. We had Sewn mlloy on the
program yesterday last week, our pig farming correspondent and what's
happening in the pork industry, and he was really buoyant
about the state of the industry as such. But the
issue around Naywak and the code of conduct around Pharao
win Crates doesn't seem to go away.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, I think it has. I think what we've got
now are some people that say we weren't listened to.
But there's a good reason why they weren't listened to it.
Can I just give a hands up to Andrew Hoggard
who actually said, listen, I'm not happy with the work
that's been done by the original Naewhak team and we
(01:57):
need to address this. So and I think he's landed
in a pretty good place. The partner that's got everybody
weave a Upsee it is actually the ten years he's
given people to enact what the new rules are. I think, look,
(02:17):
if you look at what's happened in Europe where they're
also addressing this, but not coming out with such a
vigorous change. They're sort of twelve to nineteen years to
change over. There was quite a bit of money involved,
but the key some of the decisions that original Nawak
team made were just a nonsense. And whilst they some
(02:39):
of the animal rights groups and our stress animal rights
and not animal welfare groups have come out and said, well,
he's listened to the farmers. Well they just we just
totally excluded the farmers, and they brought out just an
unbelievable regime that no one was doing anywhere in the world.
(03:00):
And in order like an economic unit pig unit three
hundred sours and in order to effect the changes that
were required in that original report from Niwak was about
two point six million dollars for a farm of three
hundred sales, and no one was doing it anywhere in
(03:20):
the world. And some of the things were just an
absolute nonsense. The spatial stuff and some rules like weaning pigs.
You're not allowed to wean pigs till they were five
weeks old. Well, it's not about how old they are,
it's about how big they are. And if your pigs.
Your little pigs are over six and a half kilos,
they wreck the others of the seals and you end
(03:43):
up with mastitis. And we've got people getting pigs to
that way in eighteen to twenty days. So look, it
was just an absolute nonsense. And so what Andrew Hoggett said,
the MPI listen, sought out what is what works and
where we go And whilst the farrowing crates are still there,
(04:09):
they're only allowed for four or five days after the
sow has had her piglets. And that's the case. And
the other thing I'd say about the whole approach that
the Nawak team took was the welfare and interest of
what the sow wants to do. And if she wants
to tremble on her babies, that's her expressing herself. She
(04:31):
wants to eat them, she can do that. So if
you didn't have the confined pharrowing for those first five
days or so, it's about two little pigs a litter
that get crushed or eaten or stood on. And you know,
(04:53):
if you take the number of sow mercy, that's thirty
thousand little pigs that are getting killed. I'm sure the
little pigs would have a view about whether that was
a good idea or not. Probably a better idea than
some of the people that were saying let it happened.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, it seems as though Eric Nawik had people involved
who had no skin in the game as such, and
there was a concern no farmers and the likes actually
involved with naywork for pizza.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, now, I'd say there were some people there that
were vents in that there, but another previous administration, And
I challenged Stu Nash on this, and I know quite
well when he was in Parler. I said, look, you've
put on people that are animal rights people. They're not
animal wealthy people, they're not practitioners. And coming out with
(05:39):
some really really unusual stuff, he said, who did that?
And you guys did. Now. The other thing about some
of those people were they were quite aggressive people in
my mind, and so if you've got a rational argument going,
the rational people just got sick of aggression in the
argument in my view. So I just think it got
all of it too difficult to just engage in the
(06:03):
debate and land in the right place. And when you're
having these debates, yes, should need the spectrum of all
the ideas there, but unless you've got the farming fraternity there,
you're not going to land in the middle in the
right place. And unless you've got sort of a process
which acknowledges every view and measures them against science, you're
(06:25):
not going to end in the right place either. And clearly,
in my view, the original Nowak Committee was short on
those qualities in order to come up with a reasonable decision.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Now where if you came out this morning the MP
rich list was out, there's three hundred and seventy nine
million dollars that members of Parliament and New Zealand have
tied up in property. If you commentators are saying this
is where a conflict of interests can come into play,
is that the case?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I don't believe so. Like you had to do
a register of assets everybody that I filled one and
every year or every three years when you're elected, or
I don't know, it might be every year now in
case you've changed, and it just lets people know. And
what it does is if you've got shares in a
(07:14):
company or something and that's coming up, then you've got
to absent yourself and declare a conflict of interest. And famously,
a laboring peak called Michael Watts didn't do that when
he was a cabinet minister and he was worn twelve times.
You need to put this stuff into a blind trust
that you're not in control of and he refused in
(07:37):
a customer's job. So it's really just to protect conflict
of interest. And I would say, you know, it's an
open system, everybody can see who did what, and it
also got to declare any gifts you've got and make
sure that everything's above board. And it's I think in
(07:59):
approach way to actually do it. The other commune I
would would say, is that do you want people who
don't have a dollar to their name running the country
or people who have been successful and just have all
we think about that and the intellect and qualities they
bring to decision making if they've been successful or not.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. Eric,
and the irony being Michael Wood has put his name
in the hat to go back into parliament next election.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
All is forgiven. I'd recognize my eras so it will
be interesting to see. It's going to be one to
watch on the night that one because met at Roskell
the chung is it the guy that talk. Hey, we
never have well National not say we the National Party
(08:48):
for a number of decades, so it'll be interesting to
see whether he's forgiven or not.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You're certainly going to be interesting in the lead up
to the next election, Eric, always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Good one, m H.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Eric Croi and the political round up up next Migew Johnston.
This is the master
Welcome back to the muster on Hakanui. Eric Croix, former MP,
as well as having a number of portfolios amongst his
name these days as well, environment South and Counselor amongst them,
joins us once again, you're a good afternoon. How are thanks?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh yep, good afternoon and good afternoon listeners. Ye got
a bit of growth at your now. Now we can
get pass waving in the wind. So we've kind of
turned a week corner there, so I'm to him pretty
good really.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So what's the ground situation in general?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Though it feed okay, it's still getting a lot of rain.
I had a bit of a looker on Saturday there,
but I just decided she was a bit wet for
the discs. It's about a third of every peddic. I thought,
oh no, I can't go around that. So we'll wait.
But gravity will keep it there. I'll get it done
before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So you're not freshing about it not being done. It
will happen.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Fretting doesn't solve any problems here. Any threading solve any problems.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Okay, so we called this a panteen effect. It won't
happen overnight, but it will happen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, it's going to happen. Don't worry. I'm on the
case or there.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We gave them, there's nothing to fear. Eric is here. Look,
we talk about this. We had Sewn mlloy on the
program yesterday last week, our pig farming correspondent and what's
happening in the pork industry, and he was really buoyant
about the state of the industry as such. But the
issue around Naywak and the code of conduct around Pharao
win Crates doesn't seem to go away.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Well, I think it has. I think what we've got
now are some people that say we weren't listened to.
But there's a good reason why they weren't listened to it.
Can I just give a hands up to Andrew Hoggard
who actually said, listen, I'm not happy with the work
that's been done by the original Naewhak team and we
(01:57):
need to address this. So and I think he's landed
in a pretty good place. The partner that's got everybody
weave a Upsee it is actually the ten years he's
given people to enact what the new rules are. I think, look,
(02:17):
if you look at what's happened in Europe where they're
also addressing this, but not coming out with such a
vigorous change. They're sort of twelve to nineteen years to
change over. There was quite a bit of money involved,
but the key some of the decisions that original Nawak
team made were just a nonsense. And whilst they some
(02:39):
of the animal rights groups and our stress animal rights
and not animal welfare groups have come out and said, well,
he's listened to the farmers. Well they just we just
totally excluded the farmers, and they brought out just an
unbelievable regime that no one was doing anywhere in the world.
(03:00):
And in order like an economic unit pig unit three
hundred sours and in order to effect the changes that
were required in that original report from Niwak was about
two point six million dollars for a farm of three
hundred sales, and no one was doing it anywhere in
(03:20):
the world. And some of the things were just an
absolute nonsense. The spatial stuff and some rules like weaning pigs.
You're not allowed to wean pigs till they were five
weeks old. Well, it's not about how old they are,
it's about how big they are. And if your pigs.
Your little pigs are over six and a half kilos,
they wreck the others of the seals and you end
(03:43):
up with mastitis. And we've got people getting pigs to
that way in eighteen to twenty days. So look, it
was just an absolute nonsense. And so what Andrew Hoggett said,
the MPI listen, sought out what is what works and
where we go And whilst the farrowing crates are still there,
(04:09):
they're only allowed for four or five days after the
sow has had her piglets. And that's the case. And
the other thing I'd say about the whole approach that
the Nawak team took was the welfare and interest of
what the sow wants to do. And if she wants
to tremble on her babies, that's her expressing herself. She
(04:31):
wants to eat them, she can do that. So if
you didn't have the confined pharrowing for those first five
days or so, it's about two little pigs a litter
that get crushed or eaten or stood on. And you know,
(04:53):
if you take the number of sow mercy, that's thirty
thousand little pigs that are getting killed. I'm sure the
little pigs would have a view about whether that was
a good idea or not. Probably a better idea than
some of the people that were saying let it happened.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, it seems as though Eric Nawik had people involved
who had no skin in the game as such, and
there was a concern no farmers and the likes actually
involved with naywork for pizza.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Well, now, I'd say there were some people there that
were vents in that there, but another previous administration, And
I challenged Stu Nash on this, and I know quite
well when he was in Parler. I said, look, you've
put on people that are animal rights people. They're not
animal wealthy people, they're not practitioners. And coming out with
(05:39):
some really really unusual stuff, he said, who did that?
And you guys did. Now. The other thing about some
of those people were they were quite aggressive people in
my mind, and so if you've got a rational argument going,
the rational people just got sick of aggression in the
argument in my view. So I just think it got
all of it too difficult to just engage in the
(06:03):
debate and land in the right place. And when you're
having these debates, yes, should need the spectrum of all
the ideas there, but unless you've got the farming fraternity there,
you're not going to land in the middle in the
right place. And unless you've got sort of a process
which acknowledges every view and measures them against science, you're
(06:25):
not going to end in the right place either. And clearly,
in my view, the original Nowak Committee was short on
those qualities in order to come up with a reasonable decision.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Now where if you came out this morning the MP
rich list was out, there's three hundred and seventy nine
million dollars that members of Parliament and New Zealand have
tied up in property. If you commentators are saying this
is where a conflict of interests can come into play,
is that the case?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Well, I don't believe so. Like you had to do
a register of assets everybody that I filled one and
every year or every three years when you're elected, or
I don't know, it might be every year now in
case you've changed, and it just lets people know. And
what it does is if you've got shares in a
(07:14):
company or something and that's coming up, then you've got
to absent yourself and declare a conflict of interest. And famously,
a laboring peak called Michael Watts didn't do that when
he was a cabinet minister and he was worn twelve times.
You need to put this stuff into a blind trust
that you're not in control of and he refused in
(07:37):
a customer's job. So it's really just to protect conflict
of interest. And I would say, you know, it's an
open system, everybody can see who did what, and it
also got to declare any gifts you've got and make
sure that everything's above board. And it's I think in
(07:59):
approach way to actually do it. The other commune I
would would say, is that do you want people who
don't have a dollar to their name running the country
or people who have been successful and just have all
we think about that and the intellect and qualities they
bring to decision making if they've been successful or not.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. Eric,
and the irony being Michael Wood has put his name
in the hat to go back into parliament next election.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
All is forgiven. I'd recognize my eras so it will
be interesting to see. It's going to be one to
watch on the night that one because met at Roskell
the chung is it the guy that talk. Hey, we
never have well National not say we the National Party
(08:48):
for a number of decades, so it'll be interesting to
see whether he's forgiven or not.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
You're certainly going to be interesting in the lead up
to the next election, Eric, always appreciate your time.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Good one, m H.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Eric Croi and the political round up up next Migew Johnston.
This is the master
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