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November 10, 2025 45 mins

Andy Muir talks to Matt Ward, Laurie Margrain, Graham Butcher, Daryl Moyles, Megan Whyte and Sam Riley.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on HOCKNOWI my
name's Andy Muller. I'm here until two o'clock thanks to
Peter's genetics. Welcome along to an afternoon that sees blue
sky with cloud on the horizon but sunshine pouring down
through the main street of Gore. We'll talk weather shortly
straight into it. A busy afternoon ahead talking heads as

(00:32):
the music David Burn and Co.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
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and saff text.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
The proof is in the progeny Teffron dot co dot nzi.
This afternoon sunny, we're breezy westeries and a high of seventeen.
Wednesday cloudy. We're breezing or easteries seven and twenty three.
Thursday cloudy, your lights our westers six and sixteen. Friday
raindeve with breezy or westlies four and nineteen, and Saturday
morning shellers of riezy westerlies eleven and twenty saw temperatures

(01:08):
to hand northern south on twelve point one, Riverton thirteen
point one did atr now, Tataroa thirteen went to eleven
point eight, and Woodland's twelve point one, so it saw
temperatures are certainly looking pretty good. Starting the show with
Matt Ward farming at Morton Mains, seeing how Matt's got
on over the past couple of weeks after the big

(01:29):
wins that occurred. Laurie Margrain as Chairman of Open Country
as we catch up with a team on a regular basis,
so he just fills us in as to how things
are going in the dairy industry from an Open Country perspective.
And he's also on a North Harbor Rugby's number one supporters,
so he's got to get a bit of a subtle.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Shot in there as well.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Daryl Moyles of Satin dan Stock Food's on the program,
Graham Butcher Farm Consultant and Gore thanks of course for
South and Rural Support Trust in association with Community Trust South.
From fun Consultant's perspective, Graham tells us how to view
the current situation when you're trying to put the workload
into perspective, and Megan White for My Tiny Young Farmers

(02:12):
wraps up the hour. Starting the hour though with Sam
Roi from PGG writes and to decipher the laud Will
sale that was held this morning. Then we'll start the
show with Matt Ward. This is the Muster until two o'clock.
Thanks to Peter's genetics, this is the Muster.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, we aren't on our road to know.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
We were on the road all the way down to
Morton Mainz where we're catching up with Matt Ward, who's
farming down that way. Matt, good afternoon once again. How's
everything a more to Mainz?

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Good a Andy, Yeah, everything's just taken away. Not too
bad down here at the moment. The sun's been out
the grass and grand Lambs are started to finally do again.
So no, we've got nothing to complain about down here
at the moment.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So ground conditions, we'll talk about the obvious shortly with
the weather, but overall, you're not too bad for November.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Nah, we're not too bad now now.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
If you asked me that ten days ago we were Jeu,
we wouldn't have even been treading what we were drowning
about ten days ago. But we've had some good heat
in the last week or so and it's covers have
started to improve, and we ten meals of rain us
today didn't really help anything. But I still haven't got
any seed in the ground. But trektor has been trying
to do a bit of work, and yeah, i'd say,

(03:33):
now the ten days will be definitely over the hurdle.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
We'll be looking pretty good.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I'd say, Well, that's the difference of a little bit
of sunshine that changes the mood, right.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
On hundred a cent, it does, and it's changed the
mood of everything, a like the even kettle starts to
round up and lambs are rounded up, and they've got
a good color about them. And you, we've definitely needed
We can't. We just needed to keep shining.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I reckon.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
So how did you fare in those ones? A few
weeks back we copped.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
A bit of a hiding nothing like, Yeah, look around
and it's a bit of a mess, but you don't
need to drive too far. And lucky us we are,
and know there's a lot of people wear us off
than us.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're pretty lucky where we are.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
We're all pretty much predominantly dairy around us. So power
was on pretty quick. We must have been a couple
of days later we had power back on. Yeah, like,
quite a few trees down and stuff, but all all
too big for me to worry about. I chipped around
a few wee branches and stuff. They had to wait
for a contract during a couple of diggers to come

(04:34):
in because it's all above my pay grade. But they're
making good progress now and a few logs that will
be meld and quite a lot of firewood, and quite
a few that are just getting burnt. Just to tide
it up and forget a bitt of and move on.
But yeah, got an uncle next door to me here, and.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
He copped a lot of the I reckon hit.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
The wind actually slowed down after going through his place
because Jesus mess left a mess through him. So it's
he's probably quite a bit of the damage from me,
which lucky for me, not so lucky for them.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Now, you say there's a lot of dairy farmers around
where you are there as far as sheep farming, Are
you like the odd one out where you're based?

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Ah, yeah we are. There's what are we on a
road here?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Who won? Two? Three, four of us sheep farmers?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
And then everyone else around us is all diary. We're
just holding on, holding on to the well. Probably yeah,
missed the jump, but it's good. It does good productive land,
like it's good dairy farm land, so it's good productive
sheep and beef. Land grows good grass, and so you
just got to make it, make it produce.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, what you say is you've got different farming synergies
on your nic of the and your nick of the woods.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah. Yeah, and they're all like two uncles beside us
and a couple of neighbors, Like, they're all good local
farming families that have been here for generations.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
So we're all just yeah, all holding on.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
But it's all it does good land, so it all
works pretty pretty well.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, it's the interathing you're talking.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You talk for four about knee jerk reactions about going
and buying all this extra gear when you're looking at
the task as that's at hand. But it was just
being so big and just realistically how much you're going
to achieve yourself, so to take you much of an
understanding of what was ahead of you before you saw
actually I just got to take a step back.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, it was definitely driving around that next day looking
at all the mesis didn't even like I wouldn't have
even known where to start. But what you're right, it's
taking that step back and just thinking like making it
piece by piece. I read on Facebook someone saying about
how to eat an elephant, and you're not going to
go smack them over in the first bite a You've

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got to.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Just chip away, chip away.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
So I just sort of started on my lane, making
sure my access waves were all clear, trying to get
power back going, and then a lot of the big
stuff like yeah, way above my pay grade. I looked
a couple mondays ago, I was waiting for a contrac
turn up. I looked at buying a big saw for myself,
and I was like, geez, I'll use it and then
I'll just sit in the shed. And I hate swinging

(07:06):
off a chain through anyway, so it's easier just to wait.
And now that he's here, he's got a couple of
diggers going. Then it might cost me a weave it,
but it's a lot safer them doing it than me
doing it. And it leaves like I've still got track
of work to do with mobs to be shifting around
tailing to do.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
So it's yeah, they can just chip on.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
It's the it's their job, it's the profession. So that's yeah,
one last thing I need to worry about.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
And besides, the guy with your stature were size there, mate,
you're probably quite handy on a neck as well as ned.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I've got a real poor week four. Arm Andy.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
X is no good for me either, but he's going
to leave a few logs for me and get a
wood splitter in and just chip on it. So we
should be should be not too bad.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I love that analogy there, and it's one I've talked
about before. You don't need an elephant and big bites.
It's all about just going through and doing it in
little bites and eventually, piece by piece you make your
way through it. But it's a marathon, not a sprint.
And yeah, it's probably a great way to look at
the situation.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think it's the same
same goes for a lot of things. Get a big
snow dump and people go rush out and they're feeding
stock flat out and running track this up and down.
Then the snow is going to mount like it's not
a lot of people go and rush and or a
big fan of just taking a step back and just
waiting for waiting to see what's actually going to happen,

(08:31):
and not rushing into rushing into a lot of things,
giving it a bit of time to think about it
and work out a proper plan.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So as far as winning dates, when does that occur?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Around the tenth of December.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
It should be about a ninety day old lamb roughly
is what I work on.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
So that'll be. Yeah, that's the plan there.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Whether normally last year I did it, but normally tried
get a cut out of my singles about that two
ten days two weeks beforehand.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
And that year.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Whether I do that again this year, time will tell.
But they're like they're there. They'd just be interesting whether
they're weighty enough or not. But I'll say the way
the schedules sitting in the way the schedule, hopefully'll be
sitting by weaning time. Yeah, be able to dip in
like dip into lambs quite a bit deeper and try
to get as many off mum as possible.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
It's the plan.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
So drenching is that coming up?

Speaker 4 (09:23):
A Yeah, that's coming up on going to start thick
testing mobs are using lambs in the next ten days
or so, and if they need a drench, I'll drench
for them. If they don't, then hopefully I can push
them right through the weaning without.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Without a drench. But yeah, time will doubt.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Normally have to give them a pre ween drench just
a couple of weeks before winning.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
They just finally mate. We talk about the ull Blacks one,
Damian McKenzie, you were telling me last time, ah fair
about quite a cool wee story. Actually you keep them
out of a team once upon a time. Going to
a bit more detail, this is a good yarn.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
You've exposed yoursel.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I told you I knew, and I told you this
the other day, that it would come back up to
bite me.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's a great yarn.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
We were good cobbers back at Edendale Primary, being Damien
and used to play Rep footy together. And I've always
had in my mind that I was first five and
he was sick and five, which for some reason, you
look at the size of me now, you'd wonder how.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
That ever happened. And then a few years ago I caught.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Up with Marty McKinsey, years older brother, and he was
telling me the same yarn, and I was like, shit,
I haven't gone through high.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
School just dreaming of it. It must have must have happened.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
But you look at him now and you see how
he's gone, and I'm just a broken down lock from Edendale.
So one's kept on and one's.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Are Yeah, i'd hardly say broken down.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
My rugby boots aren't even allowed inside at the moment, Andy,
I've been sitting out in the rain, not even allowed
near the house. So yeah, it's good to see him
going well. His bloody good fowler and good footballer. And
I think he cemented us spot there on the bench
as an impact player, Like he's a definition of an
impact player. Coming on to change a game the way
he did in the weekend's bloody impressive.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
That's what you call a twenty five minute pocket rocket.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, and it'll be honest in those better talk
about whether they start him this weekend. But my opinion,
he's made for the bench, like there's no such thing
as a reserve player anymore. Like they've got to come
on and make an impact. And the way the bench
has been working, I wouldn't really go and change it
too much if it was me.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
And if anybody knows what d Max should be in
the back line, it's you met war because you kept
him out of a number ten position.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Hey, always appreciate your time.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Enjoy the other ye do, good man, Andy, Thank you
very much.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Matt Ward of more tomin scould we at about d
map as well. Look, Laurie Margrain of Open Country is
up next.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
This is the muster that says the muster on Hakanui.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Lorry Margraine is chair of Open Country and catches up
with us this afternoon. Always good to have Open Country
on the muster. And once again, Lorry, good afternoon down
here in the Deep South. We finally have some blue sky.
It's a thing of beauty.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
Well, I guess that means you're not you're not inviting
any North Island provinces down to play rugby. I get
them pressure. You always dial up the ship weather. I'll
please to hear it. I hear the same from your
farm as it Finally, finally, finally, we're going to get
a bit of a bit of relief.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well as far as the rugby thing goes, it's called
home ground advantage, Lorry. But Albany obviously you've got your
pros and cons there as well. But let's talk about
Open Country. It's been a challenging month down here in
the Deep South. From your guys perspective, I suppose how
things be.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, and it's been a very difficult month for the
for the suppliers down there. We've we've worked pretty aggressively
on on making making assistance available, transporting generators, getting trucks
out there to deliver deliver produce which they need to have.
I mean, we've done the best we possibly can. I

(13:21):
don't think, with the benefit hendsight, I don't think there's
more we could have done to prepare for what happened.
I was actually there on the Thursday and just got
out via Dunedin before the worst of the weather hit
for commitment, so I like, I'd like to think I

(13:42):
have some idea of how how bad it was, and
but we're through it. I mean, you know what farmers
are like, this has happened before to some extent, it
will happen again, and they just get on with the
job and we're always there to do whatever we can
do to assist. Milk flows have bound a bounce back
very strong. But I look at the graphs now for
the supplies into Matara Valley and into our own planet

(14:06):
at Aurora, and are strong bounced back really really well.
So fingers crossed, Avengers cross, you're going to get some
blue skies for a week.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Or two yet, so peak milk's been and gone.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yes, well, either ben and gone Andy or we're at it,
and you don't get much of a plateau. Strange enough,
down in the Deep South. We get more of a
plateau in white Katto and Taranaki metal or two where
the milk hits a peak, plateau is off for a
few weeks. But mating's been and done for many of

(14:40):
the regions. That takes a bit of the edge off it.
But yeah, we're not still growing, but the supply is
really really good.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Now I'm a Tara Valley milk.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Of course, Open Country acquired this company not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
How's that been?

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
All good.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
We're very proud of they that we've managed to require.
We're please we've we've got the asset, got the business
of the company at what we consider to be a
good fair value, but a good value for us. It's
got some attributes that we don't have at Avarua, and
as we get our head around how we maximize the
value from a bucket of milk by using those attributes

(15:19):
at Matara Valley get a few more synergies in terms
of milk collection and milk delivery. There will be some
changes to the staffing and management structure at Batara Valley.
But it's all softly, softly, do the right thing by
the business and do the right thing in terms of
being fair to anybody's affected by it. We're very very

(15:41):
pleased in thirty days, but we're very pleased.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
So the acquisition has been well received by supplies to
Open Country.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Yes, one of the best of my knowledge. I've been
down and attended supply meetings down south. I don't detect
any negativity. I mean, there are some supplies the Matara
Valley that have supplied ourselves historically, so they're well known
to us and we're well known to them. I think
our reputation is such these days that if they have

(16:09):
any uncertainties, they could lean across the fence and talk
to the neighbor and they get reassured. So so far
it's all positivity. And I must say the management and
staff at Matara Valley have always have also been very supportive,
very understanding. I can't fault them at all. We're very
impressed with the.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
People now, the supply of meetings you head down on
the south not that long ago. Laurie, how was the feelings,
how was the feeling at the meetings.

Speaker 5 (16:36):
Oh, I mean extremely positive. I don't think there's any
negativity at all. There were questions about why this came
to pass a little bit, but I think they knew inherently.
The answer to that is that Mattaria Valley wasn't performing financially,
and if you don't perform financially, then there's going to
be changed. But I don't detect any negativity. Well, I mean,

(16:59):
we're not going to rock the boat. All the contractional
obligations that they had, any supplier had or has the
the TWA vallee will be honored, every one of them,
and in due course they have the opportunity to transfer
over to our contracts and or we'll be approaching them
to have to do the same.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
GEDDT results haven't been very positive over the past couple
of months, though. Does that mean we're going to see
a correction in the payout?

Speaker 5 (17:29):
That depends on if you refer to a correction. I mean,
I regard corrections as something that are really significant and substantial.
When you get a correction in the market, you get
a significant change. Certainly, the current trend is trending downwards,
it's not crashing downwards. So I don't call it a
major correction, but I do think I do think there's

(17:54):
logic in our periodic payment system. We've paid ten to
thirty eight on average for the milk first of Journe
to the end of September. I suspect that that may
be the highest price milk for any of our four
payment periods. So the the tendency is the GDT is
taking the price the milk price slightly down. Whereas he

(18:16):
might have been looking at just north of ten or
just north of ten, now we're probably looking in the
high nines. I mean, if we get another year in
the mid to high nines following a ten dollar a
year just passed, that would be a course for celebration.
I mean, the market is the market, andy, and it varies.
There are all sorts of factors that go into the

(18:38):
zs and the zags in terms of where the auction goes.
But the overall international inventories are not particularly high. Demand
is a bit more sluggish perhaps that we would like.
There's a bit more hesitancy in the buying front. Maybe
one of the factors is that they think he's on
a milk curve is so strong this year, but the

(18:58):
fact is the world won't what our farmers produce, and
I think that the trend will be the tent. The
trend over the longer term is nothing but positive.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, well, that's just a trend for the rural sector
in general, I suppose, Laurie, especially though from a daring perspective.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
Oh for sure, I'm believing on the even on the
cold Cow front where you you know as well as Ioway,
maybe even better than I. Every front that our dairy
farmers look at at the moment is positive and that
can only be good for this young economy. What we need,
of course is a need to get more more conversions
back underway. We need regional council's local government to follow

(19:38):
central government's mantra of cutting red day tape, acting quicker,
acting more positively. If we can get we can get
more arable land being used for the most economically positive
outcome whilst having an eye of course on the environmental aspects.
We can get that happ in, then we've got nothing
but good news coming.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Get on your Larry, you always appreciate your time on
the muster and by the way, congratulations on your North
Harbor getting the one at the end of the NPC.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
It was well deserved. Dare I say it?

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Thank you? It took a long time to get to
that piece. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Thank you man you.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wor Margrain, chairman of Open Country. Great to catch up
with the team as we do on a regular basis.
You're listening to the Muster and Hack and up next
farm Consultant, Graham Butcher, Welcome back to the Muster. Graham Butcher,

(20:39):
Farm Consultant joins us in studio this afternoon. In conjunction
with the South and Rural Support Trust. We're getting people
from the rural sector who working various roles just to
talk about the situation that's unfolded over the last couple
of weeks. More importantly about looking into the future and
what you need to do just to solidify your business
when things have an actually gone the way you planned

(21:00):
of course self. Thanks to Community Trust, Community Trust South,
thanks to them for being involved with this as well. Graham,
good afternoon once.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
Again, afternoon, Andy.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Okay, from your perspective for what you've seen over the
past two and a half nearly three weeks since this
event occurred, what's it been like first impressions?

Speaker 7 (21:19):
That's something we most definitely could have done without. I
mean it was only probably less than an hour that
strong one, but it's just devastating across the region. Although
when you drive around it's quite odd. You drive through
some regions and you wondered as if anything had happened
at all, And in keen Cays down the road it's
just chaos.

Speaker 6 (21:37):
So I thought that was a bit unusual.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
But it was a difficult spring right from the start,
and we didn't get the sunshine, we didn't get the
warmer weather. We got rain and lots of it, and
on top of that we had the wind. So everything's
been chucked at the farmers.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
So in the couple of weeks since when you're talking
to cockies as such, are they pretty pragmatic about the situation?
Do they seem just be unassuming as a southern persona
or actually there's a few people thinking we're a bit
behind the ap ball at the moment.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
What do you see?

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Oh, I think they probably do think they're behind the
ape all that. Farmers are pretty pragmatic. They know how
to prioritize, They know what needs to be done today
and not and stuff that can be left for a
month until you get time to do it. Clearing, boundary, fences, power, communications,
all those important things you can attend to first. But
if you've got trees down and are not causing any

(22:28):
particular problem at the moment, leave them, get onto it later.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's about prioritizing work absolutely, and farmers are good so you.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Can do especially at the moment though.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I mean, we should be right in the middle of
it of the tractor season, and we are effectively, but
it's only in the last week or ten days you'll
be able to get on the done thing.

Speaker 7 (22:46):
Bay ledge down, you drive around the countryside, you see it.
But yeah, cultivation is going to be delayed. That's just farming.
You've just got to deal with that issue and get
onto it when you can.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Communication that's the biggie and all of us really, you
can't UNDERSTI made it.

Speaker 7 (23:01):
You can't talking about the issues, talking with your neighbors,
giving your neighbors a helping hand if you can, it
all helps.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And contractors too.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
You're pretty understanding at the moment, and shout out all
those contractors doing what they're doing at the moment, whether
you're an attractor, whether you're tailing, whatever you're doing, helping
someone out with AI. It's just that time of year.
Everything's just happening at once, So it's about perspective.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
I'd say, yeah, I think it's a critical time of
the year right now because it sets up the whole
production year. We've got to get things right. I mean,
I think a lot of farms are running pretty close
to the wind in terms of their plan feed supplies
at the start of spring and what condition their use

(23:45):
are in. And when we get a spring like this
plus wind on top of that, it really highlights how
important it is to have your planning right. So at
beginning of lambing, we've got everything in our favor. And
if we got that whatever the climate throws at you,
we're better able to adjust to it and to cope
with it. Nothing like having fat on their back and

(24:05):
feet under their feets at the start of the season
to kick it off to a good start.

Speaker 6 (24:09):
You're much more resilient.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Hate that word, oh, resilience. I mean, I know you
either love it or you're lower. But there's just certain
words that just fit the situation right.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
So if you're consistently finding yourself shorter feed, light, condition news,
it's a good time just to reflect on what you
might do to make the position better next year, and
that's going into the winter with well conditioned us knowing
what you have beginning to make covers need to be
so you come out in the spring with a reasonable

(24:40):
cover and lambing date comes into it as well, so
all these things shall be on the table, and it's
having an event like this just should bring it to
the fore and start thinking about, Okay, is there something
I can change on my farm that's going to put
me in a better position in the spring, so I
can handle these things better than I am.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Now, because you're an advocate for a later land or
not necessarily.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Lambing into good feed conditions, and that was well proven
back in the nineteen eighties at Woodlands. We've talked a
bit about this trial several times and they set up
a trial lambing sixth of September through the sixth of October,
and at weaning time. Everything was weaned on the fifth
of January and the later lambing use were heavier by

(25:24):
up to five kiloves of significant weight and the lamb
weights were the same. Now, that really says it all,
and that was done at a time we use were lighter,
stocking rates were heavier.

Speaker 6 (25:35):
I think it would be really.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Interesting to get that sort of research underway again with
high performing heavier use, just so we can see how
things might have changed. And that, I mean, that trial
just puts everything into perspective. We've got to get away
from this idea you've got a lamb early to get
decent lamps all you don't. You've got to get decent lambs.
You've got a lamb into good covers and not have

(25:57):
a big check on the lactation.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
And the thing to remember is not every spring is
going to be the same either years. I've had two
stingers plus the wind of a couple of weeks ago,
but that doesn't necessarily mean that's going to be the
new normal right now.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
Well, that's the difficult thing about farming. When you look
at the woodlands graph. If you put all the last
twenty or thirty years of lines on the woodlands graph,
it's all over the place.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
You just there's quite a.

Speaker 7 (26:21):
Good in the winter, spring and autumn the lines are
pretty close together, but from about October through to March
it's all over the place.

Speaker 6 (26:32):
You never quite know how it's going to shape up.
And this is the thing. You've got to pick.

Speaker 7 (26:36):
A lambing date where and say five years out of
age you're going to be pretty good and the other
three years might be a bit difficult, but you can
make adjustments to cope.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
So that's the art of farm management, I suppose.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
And it's a law of averages, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
So it's taking all the variability you're likely to get
and picking a sweet spot.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Say most years it'll be.

Speaker 7 (26:59):
Good, but three years out of eight it might be
a bit more difficult, and if you can achieve that,
it's probably good.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
So your key messaging today was if you're not too
sure about what's happening on your farm, have you y
under somebody your maybe your mate, you are somebody in
the game that you respect, or whoever, and just actually
get a second opinion about what they're seeing on your farm.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Perhaps yep.

Speaker 7 (27:18):
And as I said earlier on feed on their back,
feed under their feet early spring.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
It sets you up.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Graham Butcher, always appreciate your time. You enjoy this and
enjoy this beautiful I too, Graham Butcher, farm Consultant. Of course,
thanks to the South and Rural Support Trust and conjunction
with Community Trust South, there are Moyles and Sergeant Dan
Stock Foods up next, then before the end of the
yew are Meghan White out of way, Toney young Farmers.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Cycle killers, just say.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
This is the muster on Hakanoi. Daryl Moyles of Sagant
Dan Stock Food. He resides in the skyscraper on the
Gore CBD skyline, and all the beats and the blueps
coming out of there at the moment, Daryl, I actually
wonder if it's a stock food company or a nightclub
you're running in there. There's a lot of activity going
on and more often than not as well good afternoon.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
Yeh, had another great intro and the year. You know,
things are humming over here at the moment, that's for
sure that I can assure. There's no nightclub. A bit
of a Talking Heads fan, David Byrne, but no no
nightclub here at the stage, yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
David Burns.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Of course the music today being Talking Heads, but it's
just that time of the year, given the way the
weather's been over the past months. Darryl, you guys this
is your peak season.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
You know we're running at the moment. Andy all go
really obviously Carf and Derry Feed sort of peak peaking
at the moment, So we are literally running cup of
staff on holiday this week, which was, in hindsight, was madness.
But however, even I've got to get out and do
some work on the factory flour this so I'm doing
it a bit tough to be honest.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Now there's nothing better than the bus being out there
showing everyone else how it's supposed to be done right.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
Well, a couple of guys keep looking at me sideways.
They didn't actually realize that I have actually done it before,
so that's always good. But no, I actually enjoy it,
so honing around on the forklift and doing a bit
of begging it doesn't do anyone any harm.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
I remember as school bus driver mister short and you
never seen him get out of the school bus seed.
It was like lego figurine figure just stuck in there,
would never move, and when you did see him outside
of the seat, it was such a weird situation.

Speaker 8 (29:31):
That's probably right they thought I'm busy warming the seed
in the office all the time. But now now she's
all good, so we've flared out. October's their biggest month
since we've been going in twenty years. Three thousand tons
of pellets for the month, which it's big telly for
air factory. We put it in quite a lot of
new gear over the last few years and we've got
it actually running. We never thought would exhaust that capacity.

(29:54):
But nothing's a going pretty good, and so it should
be with the way things are going, because.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
What is it the pecky you got in there as a.

Speaker 8 (30:01):
Karen Your Karen's going with a house on fire today
she's doing around ten ton of air, which is five
hundred bigs of carfee begging an air on that machine
at the moment, and we need to be because a
bit of a demand. So now Karen's going really well.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So as far as dairy feed, a lot of people
taking the opportunity. Given the way the weather's been has
been a little bit averagely to be honest, A bit
of supplement hasn't gone astray.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Yeah, there's quite a bit of dairy feed going out
this time of year. And obviously the spring's been in
bloody awful if I can say that on the radio,
and you know a lot of guys feeding quite large
rates just because the shorter grass grass is clearly coming now.
But once we hit mating, there's not a lot of
dramatic change and feed rate not overnight anywhere. You've got
to keep those girls in good nick for mating, so

(30:49):
a lot of feed going out the door. We're doing
close to six hundred ton of dairy feed a week
these days, so that's again a lot more than we
used to do for a little factory. So everything's humming
along nicely touched.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
As far as car feed, how's that been.

Speaker 8 (31:02):
Yeah, coffee's good, obviously well ahead of other years just
because of the demand for car feed, and a lot
of beef is being reared and obviously attle heap of
replacements read year and a year, so well ahead on
carfee for the year, and that's pretty good. But we've
got the new aminocarfeed's going absolutely great guns and we've
had some great reports of people saying the calves are

(31:24):
at one hundred and ten kilos way or earlier the
normal growth rates are fantastic. So that's proving very popular
and I think next year it's going to be absolutely huge.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, just go over the amino car feed again, Darryl.

Speaker 8 (31:35):
The appeal of it, So what it is is basically
a high quality car fee with a whole lot of
extra amino acids chucked in it. So a lot of
raw materials have amino acids. Amino acids, we're building blocks
of protein and that's what we all live and grow on.
But what we've done is we've boosted a really good
quality carfee with extra amino acids and that's proven in

(31:58):
some trials overseas and here locally. That just puts on
more body weight and it's we've had quite a number
of Worts One customers saying that that's correct and going
really well.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
And of course the chicken feed how's that been?

Speaker 8 (32:13):
Chicken bet just keeps going. No, that's fantastic at the moment.
It keeps going up and up every month. Actually, so yeah,
we was just selling more and more of the chicken,
especially the bolt begs, a lot of sort of free
range outfit's now buying half ton and one ton bags.
So that's going along pretty well. I'm proving, you know,
the eggs are the proof and the in the pudding,
so that eggs are fantastic and no complaints there. It's

(32:37):
going very good. So month on month we're increasing those sales.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
But the big question is regarding is cargo and that
snail feeds you're producing. I mean, you don't produce season
like five grand bags or anything like.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
That, do you No, No, we're producing about two hundred
kilos at the time of that. But I think the
two hundred kilos takes those snails. We will get through,
as we discussed last time. Not sure the stocking rate,
but that two and a kilos of snow feed goes
quite a long way from the set buzz out of it.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, we need to find out the stocking rate for
these snails. This has me intrigued to the Corderyl.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to going visiting the chair. Actually
next time I'm up that way, so very keen to
have a look at the operation. It's something I haven't
seen before, so yeah, that'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, you're going to have to take some photos and
put them on your socials something. This is just highly intriguing.
Let's talk about a code because we can the ulblecks
the Grand Slam, although some people are saying, well was
not a Grand Slam. They played Ireland in Chicago, but
beating the four top teams in Europe, although Wales debatable
debatably being in that equation. How are they going to

(33:40):
go against the Palms. How are we going to beat them.

Speaker 8 (33:42):
That's a really good question. The Palms against Australia didn't
look really that flash. I mean, we seem to just
pull one out of the bag. You know, with sixty
minutes gone in the game, we look like we were
up against it. But the all becks a bit like Canterbury.
You've got to win the last twenty, last ten minutes
and they just seem to pull it out of the bag.
Got some real class in the side, and I think

(34:03):
McKenzie just showed how how much class he's got. Obviously
a local boy, he's got to have class. But no,
I think it's going to be a fantastic game. But
I I'm not a big fan of losing to the Pond,
so hopefully, hell we can beat them. I'd run a
loose to Scotland than England and we beat them, so
bring it on.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
You never want to lose to England. That's just a fact,
no total fact.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Absolutely, Hey good only Dearrel'll let you carry on. But lastly,
if people.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Want to get in touch with Sergeant Dan Stock foods
looking at supplement requirements for their farm, what's the best
way to get in touch?

Speaker 8 (34:36):
Just at eight hundred number, which is eight hundred. Sgt. D. A. M.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Darren Moyles is Sergeant Dan Stock Foods. Always appreciate your time.

Speaker 8 (34:44):
Yeah, awesome any thanks, good talking.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Daryl Moyles is Sergeant Dan Stock Food. Give the gift
of my lesss this Christmas. This and I reckon that
smile that permeates from the factory through the main street
to go. Here is something else to behold, right. Megan
White of Tana Young Farmers wraps up the hour up
next this is the Muster. Megan White of Waitani Young

(35:19):
Farmers joins us for this week's Young Farmers wrap up,
as we do on a regular basis here on the muster.

Speaker 9 (35:26):
Megan, Hell, are you not baby southendy.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Can't really complain The weather's playing ball for a change,
and I'd say there's a lot of people out there
burning fuel and the paddocks or else got the drench
gone out and up and running.

Speaker 9 (35:38):
Yeah, look getting some early early lemons drinks through for
huts we wanning next month. And yeah's definitely if your
tracker's gone around and round of circles, it's for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Now Waitani Young Farmers. Of course, who you're involved with,
Hell's things being lately.

Speaker 9 (35:54):
Ah, you which we're just taking along there as well.
Really had a had a meeting last night, had a
good turnout. It was probably helped by the rains means
a few traitors were pulled up, so people actually made along.
But I think we had just yeah, twenty six, just
thirty people there roughly, so that was good to see.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Is that as big a turnout as what you've seen
for a meeting for Atani? That seems a bloody good number.

Speaker 9 (36:17):
Yeah, it's yes. Last few meetings have been sort of
a out that twenty five mark, which is a bit
prostoked about. Yeah, people getting along to meetings, but people
were also sort of getting along to events and stuff
as well, which is always good.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Are you getting young people coming along to the meetings
like first timers?

Speaker 9 (36:34):
Yeah, we had a few new faces yesterday mostly just
rowed their mouth through workplaces. Really a few few follows
from across the other side of the world. Who were
you know, can who get along and have a lock
and near they're fitting in real well?

Speaker 1 (36:48):
So are they working for local contractors?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Are they?

Speaker 6 (36:51):
Ah?

Speaker 9 (36:51):
Oh, there's a couple that come off steer farms and yeah,
a couple couple that are swinging spinners and moving steering wheels.
So yeah, so you've.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Got to a cross section many urban nights and white
tiny young farmers.

Speaker 9 (37:07):
Not too many. Like we've got like a teacher, a
couple of teachers, and vets and and builders like there's yeah,
not everybody's in farming, but they have a passion for
farming so brilliant. It really matters, really well.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Absolutely, if you're getting teachers coming along, you just want
to come and talk a bit of work farm talk.
I suppose, get away from the books. It's a good thing.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (37:32):
Oh, they're pretty good at keeping us on our toes
and making sure we're doing don't ship by the books.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
They'll be I'd imagine the teachers are strict.

Speaker 9 (37:41):
Uh, yeah, strict, but they're good, good values, good value.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's what we want. So what has been happening with
the club.

Speaker 9 (37:48):
Well, we've been pretty pretty uh what's the weapon that
just just taking along. We've been getting along to a
lot of other clubs events like the Alpha that our
barkup and had a few few people in districts that
was what was that a couple of weeks ago? Now, yes, yep,
but no, they they loved it. I got along to

(38:10):
have a lot they quant and put on a really
good day there and yeah, and then enjoyed it. So
I guess we're just now that that's through. We're really
excited to be hosting regionals in February taking along with that.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That's one thing about the young farmers. I'll give you
guys credit. Whenever there's an event on around the district,
you'll turn up to it. You talk about the bark
up or the bark off, whatever you call it. But
there's a lot of people from throughout a target, a
lot of clubs from their turn up too, So that's
that's going.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
To be commended.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
You're all making an effort to get out and about
and support other clubs.

Speaker 9 (38:43):
Yeah, it's been real good. Like I know Strass had
their bark up on the weekend just then, and I
know a few of the balf young farmers that they
had been spotting Wooden and then they shot up there
and got up there and supported them. And it's a
target's picking up, which is which good to see.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Oh for sure it is. Now we talk about the barkup.
So it sounds like you and your other half Heather,
you're pretty good at the human barkup.

Speaker 9 (39:09):
I was hoping that wasn't going to come up.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Well, it's kind of got to come on. Taylor just
went through the nuts and bolts of it last week,
so yeah, it was I don't know, just just explain
to people how the human barkup works as supposed to
the dog's Well.

Speaker 9 (39:23):
That's exactly what a what it sounds like. I guess
one of them, one of the humans is going to
be the dog and one of the humans is going
to be the dog's owner. I suppose that.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
So how do you work? How do you choose which
is which? Ah?

Speaker 9 (39:37):
Look, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
There was a woman of an argument up on stage.

Speaker 9 (39:42):
I think there's a and I was like, oh that
was pretty marginal. But top dog always comes down on top.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Well this seems to be almost seems as popular as
the human bark as what the dog bark is.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
That's the irony of the situation.

Speaker 9 (39:57):
Yeah, look, it's always a good laugh. So yeah, can't
go wrong with it, really.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Well for sure, you can't. Now, as far as activities
for way Tara yourselves, have you guys been busy lately?
Like the chainsaws out trying to help people get their
fences up and running or what have you been up to?

Speaker 9 (40:13):
I haven't haven't been out and done that yet, but no,
we had a tailing fundro there last month at one
of their members funds and yeah, we've got a few
lambs here and everybody's yeah, a lot of their clubs
sort of contractors. So they do. We do struggle to
get well, we thought were it's good. We are struggle
to get doing things like that. But yeah, we've got

(40:33):
a few trees lined up to cut up for firewood
and stuff later on, so we'll get around for that
when we get round to it.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Good.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
As far as club activities and the lead up to Christmas,
what's the go.

Speaker 9 (40:44):
Oh, you've got to have a Christmas do, so we'll
be we'll be hitting one of those, be a low
key potluck and then I think that's happening or the
day before the end of cargo races, I think, which
is maybe the eighth.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I don't think you guys know the meaning of the
word low key.

Speaker 9 (41:01):
Lah low key, no, no, go big or go home.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
That's what we want to hear.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Hey, So Meghan, if anybody's listening to this and thinking
young farmers, why tatty young farmers. Perhaps if you're based
around the gore, like you say, your meeting's been and gone.
But your social channels are always active.

Speaker 9 (41:18):
Oh, social channels is always active. Most things get put
up there between Instagram and Facebook. But if you really
really came to reach out, just pluck us a message
and someone will get back to you.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Hey, good on you, Meghan. What I can hear the
using lambs baying in the background, So bit to let
you back to it. Appreciate your time.

Speaker 9 (41:36):
Not so easy. Thanks any.

Speaker 8 (41:40):
Laugh out loud with ag proud because life on the
land can be a laughing matter.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
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(42:06):
wanted the extra daylight to catch bugs. That's the rational
for daylight saving. And I've verified that before. Google doesn't lie, right,
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Speaker 2 (42:26):
Hey, well all that to he go there and what
are he go on again?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
For PGG writes and present stuck selling action that occurred
at the child And that's Thursday.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
This is Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
So we've got Lawnville and we have Sam Riley on
the line today, Sam, how do we gote you?

Speaker 10 (42:41):
No rudely pleasant day after that rain yesterday afternoon essentially
pretty well screwed, but we didn't really need that rain.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
But however, Lawnville doesn't disappoint in the middle of November.

Speaker 8 (42:53):
No, that is true.

Speaker 10 (42:54):
No, it never has and probably never walked.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
How do we go?

Speaker 10 (42:59):
Ah can get to the prime sheet? Pretty similar the
last couple of weeks to seventy to three to twenty
on the heavy lambs, two forty two sixty five on
the mediums and one hundred and seventy one hundred, two
hundred and thirty dollars on the lighter end prime lambs. Yeah,
just a small yarding coming in now. Most of the
most of the last season's lambs have pretty much been

(43:22):
dealt with now, so yeah, a couple of weeks time,
I've probably just some new season one's coming on, so
into the years, probably lifting the years, everything selling grew well.
There could heavy years turhundred and twenty two hundred and
fifty dollars, mediums one hundred and sixty one ninety and
the lighter in years one hundred and thirty to one
hundred and fifty dollars into the rams, lifting the rams

(43:43):
there as well, one hundred and twenty on the heavy rams,
seventies to ninety on the mediums, which was good to
see into the store sheet just a couple of pens
of years of store lambs still there, one hundred and
twenty two hundred and sixty dollars it was appen of
new season's lambs in today and they were one hundred
and eighty five dollars and using lambs all count at

(44:05):
one hundred and thirty tow one hundred and forty seven
dollars in prime kettle. It's a small yarding mainly giry
Kel selling on a strong market quote. He had Gary
Heafer's four hundred and fifty kilows three dollars fifty six
beef cross heafers at six hundred and twenty five kgs
four dollars sixty one, steers at four hundred and eighty
five kg's four dollars forty two and the cows at

(44:28):
four fifty to six hundred kgs. They range from three
dollars though two to three dollars thirty in the kettle market.
Just a smaller market selling on the smallest yarding selling
on a stale market. Two year old beef cross balls
at five hundred and forty kg's two and three hundred dollars,

(44:49):
yelling beef cross stairs at two hundred and ninety three
kilos thirteen hundred dollars yelling here for cross stairs at
two hundred and eighty seven CAGs thirteen seventy, yelling freezing
balls at three hundred eleven cag's thirteen fifty and some
yelling beef cross heapers at two hundred and eighty to
three hundred kgs. They were twelve to thirteen seventy. So

(45:11):
that wraps up Lambolle. We do have a couple of
sales coming up next week, mate, especially for next next Tuesday,
next Lorbow. There is approximately eight hundred mix six suff
Text and Romney new season's lambs coming in there, so
they'll be to sail at ten thirty to next Tuesday
and then next Thursday we do have a second of

(45:33):
the spring kettle sales at Launbolle, so there is approximately
one thousand mainly yelling cattle coming into that, so that
will be on. But that's ten thirty on Thursday next week.
So you know I'm looking for a few cattle. You know,
the grass is strive to grow. Get on down to
that one. It wraps it up, mate, little mate,
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