November 11, 2025 • 43 mins
Andy Muir talks to James Edgar, Michael McHutchon, Grant McMaster, Nicola Blair, Lyn Berry and Mark Calder.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Marlon bar dabets badabets. No, I'm Malon bar dabees badabe faa.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, it's Freddy.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Haki. My
name's Andy Miller. I'm here until two o'clock thanks to
Peter's Genetics. Thanks for your company. On a hunt day
with overcast sky surrounding the main street of gorel though
it is pretty mild. We're going to talk weather very shortly.
But the music for the day is Meghan Trainer. The
song here all about that bass. It's about body image,
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Just raise them up. Every ends of you is perfect,
from the bottom.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
To the tar.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Five day forecasts brought to you by twin Farm tefrom
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The proof is in the progeny Teffron dot co dot nzi.
This afternoon partly cloudy, You're breezy easterly is in twenty three,
Thursday cloudy? Who are lights? Our westerlies five and fifteen,
Friday showers of breezey nor westers four and twenty. Saturday
showers once again with breezy westerlies three and twelve and
on Sunday party cloudy like nor easterly. He's nine to
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twenty saw temperatures to hand Clinton thirteen point four, more
than Southland eleven point seven, Riveton twelve point nine, tian
Now thirteen point one, Tidoro a twelve point eight win
Toon eleven point six and Woodland's twelve point one. As
we start the show with James Egger farming at Maa Flat,
he's in the tailing pen today, so it takes a
bit of time out to have a bit of a
(01:22):
chat about the situation that he's seeing on his farm
at the moment. Michael McCutcheon, he is the Southland Area
manager for Rabobank. As part of our series of Southland
Reveral Support trust regarding mindset after the weather events a
few weeks ago and just looking forward from a banking perspective.
That's why we catch up with Michael today, tells us
(01:42):
all about what to expect over the next couple of months.
Nikola Blair from Derry and Z's on the program Grant Disaster.
McMaster from klosper and Station has a chat once again,
and Lynn Berry as well with Mark Calder from BGG
writs and give a rundown. I'm about close to sale,
(02:02):
so we'll start the next with James Eger. This is
the Muster until two o'clock thanks to Peterson leis Now
I'm on that song there is for our next guest,
(02:34):
James Eckert, who farms at Male Flat. The song is
here and unstoppable pretty much and it could imagine you, James,
running through brick walls listening to that. That's your real
pump ump pump up hand from by the sounds of it.
Good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, well, you know absolutely we'll maybe be playing that
in the lampin We got a bit late, well later
than usual. We're probably ten days later than usual doing
some of the tailing and yeah, no I know the yeah, yeah,
when it's all turning the lamp and there's some really
big big lambs, yes, which is which was not a problem.
It's something really good. But yeah, it's certainly been an
(03:09):
interesting season. We're still tailing today, just finishing the hogts
and the lakes and the last of the main line. Yeah,
we've had trees down like everyone else. Yeah, it's been well,
sort of lined up, sort of happened quite Lisa. We're
hoping to finish the kale and fought a BIC this
week as well. Act she's sort of all hittening once.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Isn't it? So?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Hell are the lamb numbers looking?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, one's just alright. To be fair, I think we
sort of had a bit of a gut feeling there with.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It's sort of been a weird season, hasn't it. The
grass growth hasn't been really good, and then it's gone
well this last ten days, which is good. But we're
actually we've had we've had a vat checking while my
sister's a vat like Lisa. You sort of had some
inside stuff there. But so I've been from scoring all
the us through the tailing pen and then put the
(04:03):
block numbers in terms of percentages and then just working
a way through that. That's been quite interesting. So when
we set stuff then we're about a two point three,
which is lighter than wanted because we checked them there.
We gave them all a triple drench before we spread out,
and then yeah, we find often you can lose weight
(04:24):
on sheep. I guess at mark flat just life and
then now people in nights, which is good so don't
think milking really well. And we'll score them again at weening,
so it'll be interesting to track and one of the
other interesting things so far early doors haven't clear studied
that because we've been busy, but it's looking like those
(04:45):
twin us that we're on more grass, like the young
grass paddocks that other so they had a bit more
like they've lammed a percentage even with less shelter than
what some of the hell blocks have done with more shelter.
But because the season was so late this one, we
just found the brown top and the boor of grass
species that just didn't grow for so long. So yeah,
(05:07):
so it was sort of opposite and put to be honest,
because I thought with the weather being a little bit
average all the way through, we might have found the
hill blocks with more shelter would have had more lambs alive.
But it's actually looking like that padics with more grass
cover are going to have more lambs alive. So yeah,
that's certainly something interesting this year that we've worked out
so far.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's interesting, say the least.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, we're just trying to track a bit more stuff well,
you know, just measure, measure more and just try and
get a bit more scientific. We've did the hogits today
and we're one of the really pleasing things where hoggits
with lambs that gone through the tiling pen are still
a condition score three. So yeah, I'm wrapped about that
because they would probably a three at seats docking and
(05:53):
we gave them a triple drench and they I was
before now I've used long acting products, but we went
away from this year, so I was a little bit nervous.
I might have got worms, but at the moment they don't.
They're not wearing me. And the conditions score three you
know at tailing. So yeah, hopefully if we keep growing,
grass said, yeah, that's going to be really good. So no,
(06:15):
it's been quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What would you say, Okay, you say you've got a
condition score three on your huggers, what would that be
in live weight?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Oh that's a great question, Eddie. I didn't actually tell you,
to be honest, I'd only be guessing. I think they're
more modern approach. The condition scores more important than weight
air sheeper. We're trying to go at least half peering
also mature you live weight the condition scored three would
only be probably seventy, but over many kilos now, so
(06:46):
there are a lot smaller sheep than some people. So no,
that's really good.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Still animal, Yeah, no, no, it's still good.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
But some of these years now would especially some of
these hogit weights are amazing the matter, you know, sixty
odd kilers. But another interesting thing on the top farm
that's more paddic country, you'd call it, there's been no
there's been no difference in conditions score on the US.
Well how much condition score they put on between the
(07:15):
poorer paddocks and then the young grass paddocks. I thought
personally that you might have found that the young paddocks
the US that had more grass when you're spread out
and they've had better grass, would be fatter themselves, but
that there's no difference in the US. So they were
all about two point eight well that close to it
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wasn't even funny. And then the difference was probably in
lamb live weight. You could tell slightly the better lambs
were on the younger paddocks, and the lambs were all
very good to be fair. But yeah, so that was
something else interesting on more paddic country. So no, would
be interesting if we can do it for a couple
of years, just to see what sort of things we
can learn.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So how attentive are you when it comes to lamb covers.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
To be fair, we put extra pressure on our us.
I'd say in winter time, I'm sure we're spreading out
on twelve to four one hundred. We don't have quite
the highest because we're up higher. So no, definitely have
to feed to you while you's milking, just non negotiable.
(08:23):
We've got this year to say, yeah, it was always
nice to have more lambs, but always yeah, yeah, yeah,
but what we do have would be the best lambs
we've had This year. They significantly forward. We think they
could be five those heavier than last year. Is where
we think the lambs.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Are so ween's waning.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
We'll start winning riversal down on Tapanoi. We start that
at the end of this month, so the last week
in November and the freezer us will go and then
we just sort of have a rolling waning from there.
We're trying to do it on a grass covers and
condition scores and be on when the leafy turn up's ready.
There's no point putting all this fatnings finishing, so if
(09:07):
you're not going to use them properly or get the
timings properly, but it was we're very decided we'll win
early there's a middle ridge on the block.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That online.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
The one tout they had more shelter, but they're really
poor grass species, and the us that they were only
sort of might have been touring the half condition score
they were worth. So we'll wan those early straight onto
the As soon as the turn up's ready, they'll come
off and we'll start putting away from them, and then
some of the other blocks that they are looking good
and their feeds good. I mean, we're not scared to
(09:40):
leave them an until you know, middle of January to
be fear. So, yeah, we're just got to play it
by year with the season, I guess.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So everybody's got their power issues restored over at my flat, Yeah, no,
we were.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
We were six odd days without. We've just got the
generators in then. Yeah, it was not because I guess
it was velvet time and a few other jobs. But
we do lose power a lot in the winter. It's
just comes with the territory. So we are sort of
half set up with yeah. Yeah, like so the house
(10:13):
still has running water and we can still have heating
and we can still cook, and so we were we
have the house seat up basically for no pair because
it does happen, you know, four or five times a year.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
For four or five times a year, you're just resigned
to the fact you're going to lose power for a
day or too. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be a better real Yeah. Yeah,
most of in the winter, as I say, certainly when
you're quite off and around snow events. Snow events definitely
seem to knock the pair out of bit. And that's
all the other things that can go wrong, isn't it.
There's always trees that other times. Yeah, yeah, something's something's
gone wrong, so but no, we we definitely yeah, four
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or five times a year would leave loose power for
you know, but over a day, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Just finally, you're up on the top stre mar flat.
Give us a description of what you're saying at the
moment around you in those vistas.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh, bright green grass. That seems what you're flying andy, Yeah,
it was quite funny. We're talking around the tailing shoot
before and I'm saying my sister was asking about and
I said, yeah, I said, it just wouldn't be anywhere
else for six months of the year. But we don't
like to talk about the other six months.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's open to interpretation. James Egg, Hey, we'll let you
carry on you and got a bit on your plate today.
Always good to chat mate, O care.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
James Igger of mar Flat. You're listening to the muster
on Hakanoi. Up next from Rubbi Bank, Michael McCutcheon's part
of our series with the South and Rural Support Trust.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You need.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Welcome back to the muster. Michael McCutcheon joins us next.
He is Rabobanks Southland Area manager. Of course we've teamed
up the South and Rural Support Trust here on the
muster in conjunction with Community Trusts South just to speak
to people from different parts of the rural sector after
the wind events that occurred just about three weeks ago. Gosh,
(12:16):
where's that time gone? Anyway, Michael's going to give us
a bit of an indication from a banking perspective about
looking at the current situation as well and just from
a monetary viewpoint what you need to be thinking about. Michael,
great to chat on the muster. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, thanks Eddie. It's good to touch base and good
to you know, make sure all of our farming community.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Is well supported and that's the big thing. We look,
what is it just about twenty one days ago since
the winds occurred down here in the Deep South which
were catastrophic for a lot of people in more ways
than one. From what you're seen there from a banking perspective,
how's the situation unfolded?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, Look, well the situation varies. You know, there's a
lot of people that have already been in and tidy
up mode and and got the clean up done with
within days after the event, and there's some that are
in a in a situation where it's going to take
well over twelve months before they actually get a decent
clean up given the effect on you not only shout abouts,
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but infrastructure as well. So you know, the good thing
is the community is coming together to help one another.
And from a banking spector, you know there's there's plenty
of capital available to make sure farmers are well supported.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I suppose if there's a positive through all this, it
is the fact that the sectors are looking pretty good
at the moment. The red meat sector of the dairy
sector arguably arable the prices there to be continued in
that sense, let's be honest, But overall, you think farmers
like they're still within their means regarding getting the infrastructure
up and running again with within budget. All right.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah, look, as I sort of mentioned that it does vary.
You know, there's going to be a lot of people
that are that are impacted there. I think the venison
or the velvet is certainly probably the industry that is
bearing the worst in this current environment. But yeah, when
it comes to budgets, there is certainly going to be
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some blowouts in terms of you know, the capital needed
to spend on twenty of diggers, fencing, a lot of infrastructure.
You know, I've heard over forty five red pipe barns
or thereabouts have lost covers. So you know it might
be a flying effect into next year with winter grazing.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, certainly there's going to be a lot of flow
on effects from this, but it's all about negating the
season at hand, and well from a sheep farmer's perspective,
just on the cusp of getting that income rolling in,
maybe your hogot checks come in for the wall. You
might have had a few carls go away to the
works and the likes, but the lambs are just starting
to go off to the works and they're not too
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just in future. So that's not going to be affected
too badly, I'd imagine, no, no, it won't.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Be, but there's probably going to be a few pictures
on working capital or overdrafts, and my advices on that is,
don't make a decision based on working capital. If those
decisions have got to be made, just get on the
phone and talk to your bank here and try and
get a good decision to increase those those working capital requirements,
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just so you've got more breeding space to make the
right decision for the family and for the farm and livestock.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Banks have been pretty understanding around the current circumstances, I'd imagine, yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Absolutely, Yeah, we're on putting of rural support calls and
et cetera, and yeah absolutely, you know, talking on behalf
of all banks here, certainly everyone is getting in behind
making sure clients are are well supported, not only you know, financially,
but you know, checking in physically and you know, supporting
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with barbecues, events, et cetera. So yeah, I would just
encourage people to pick up the phone if it's not
a band CA, you know, get in touch with the
trusted advisor, well.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
The farmers you've touched base with Michael and talking everybody
within the sector at the moment, how do they seem
to be coping.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
On the surface, everyone's relatively bubbly. You know, I've talked
to a couple of farmers that are certainly a whole
lot worse for where and you know we're talking hundreds
of thousands of dollars expected to be impacted by underneath.
You know, they will be stressing, but you know we
need to give them reassurance that we are there to support,
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you know, financially and are able to make sure they
are well supported.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's probably the big message here, I suppose. Isn't it
just for farmers to realize any concerns, just to reach out.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, you know we're we're standing board. We're happy
to talk to people, you know, the trusted advisors. You know,
they're all in the everyone's in the same boat. Making sure.
We want to prioritize you know, family and making sure
everyone's safe and where and their friends, and then of
course we get into supporting the stock and the businesses. No.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I talked about this on the show yesterday about with
Graham Butcher actually a farm consultant who says that every
spring is going to be different. And it's interesting too
when you look at next season, how are you going
to plan out? Are you guests going to do winter great?
Are you just going to do grass wintering? Are you
going to put the crops? And as you alluded to before,
all of a sudden, a whole lot of conversations come
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on to the table because well, for whatever reason, we
know the reason. Actually there's blooming trees down everywhere. You're
not going to be able to do perhaps the wintering
plan that you wanted to, But it's not going to
necessarily define your business.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
No, No, definitely not. And I think you know that
there is always a pilot of that comes out of
an event like this where we do become more resilient
and we learn from it and the opportunity to build
it into a farm plan or build it into whatever plan.
We've got to make sure we are resilient for events
like that. You know, we had a rough spring last year,
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this wind event this year. There is going to be
something just around the corner, and you know, it's making
sure that we are resilient and we are looking after
and said, I was making sure we can all pull
through it together.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, that's the big message there. Michael Hey, appreciated your
time on the must of this afternoon. Michael McCutcheon, Rabobank
Area Manager for Southland, thanks very much for your time.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Nowhere is it all? Andy chairs.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Michael McCutchen, Rabobank Southland Area Manager. And just on that
low Michael said, various events happening around the province. At
the Mandibale Country Club tonight with soeuth and Ural Support Trust,
there is a community barbecue starting at six o'clock. So
if you need a bit of a break, why not
here demandible grants asked. McMaster is up next. This is
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the muster shure. No, how did Hama long ba dabeysa
dabeys No, thanks to Abi Rural. It's time to catch
up the great does as McMaster. Farming on the edges
of lake w a turpoo, a beautiful clothes bearing station.
Good afternoon, Grant.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Good up, theon Andy good up and then everybody in
a beautiful day here at close Burn. There's not a
RiPP along the lake. There's a little bit of a
cool breeze. Earlier on suns come out and when the
sun came out it was quite warm and setting about
fifteen degrees and we had seven mills of rain yesterday
and or sorry the day before, so that's been that's
quite a refrie from the fifties, sixties and all the
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big numbers we were getting. So things are well, they're
sort of drying out. Saw a lot of water around,
you know, it's creeks and still coming out of the hill.
But bit of heat and a bit of grass growth.
So that's it's all very it's looking God.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I'd say everything's looking rather green with all that rain
and a bit of heat.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Everything's very green, is it. I just went down to
Gore yesterday and it's a farewell Johnny Wendell, and you
know there's a lot of crop being cut, and the
balers were out, and you know, some some areas I
saw up actually behind Belfa that had been you know,
it had been cut earlier on and the and the
regrowth and those paddocks obviously cut and carry was looking
(20:09):
pretty good. So I thought, you know, Southam, well, what
I saw east in Southam was it was looking good.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Say the lambing just about be over and done with that. Imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, there's there's sort of the end of that second cycle,
that sort of finishing I saw a couple of lambs
born the other day, but those things are just about
pretty well done and dusted now. And we've got a
couple of big cows that were a bit bit later
when we scanned, and they they're due to drop. I've
just seen a couple of them they haven't got haven't
(20:37):
carved yet. But no, apart from that, it's it's all
looking pretty good. Over the hills or the two tis
over there have have lambed and all the all the
heifers have carved. So we'll be to mark some of
those hefers shortly, and sorry not the heaps the calves
and do those do those lambs before we do the
main light at the end of this month. But lambs
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are growing.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's good quality sheep for the feed as I said,
sheep feed for the sheep, as I said last week,
but not in abundance for the for the cows. So
thank goodness, they're all set stopped around the place that
you know that they're getting by all right. But yeah,
talking to them and neighbors up here that everyone's in
the same boat. Just from going back from that, you know,
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the dry summer, dry autumn, and yeah, probably the cows
of there there the stock units that are that are
suffering the most.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Hi Dadad's you want to comment on this today?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Hi dadda's sort of a word we I think people
sort of get overs and or sheet measles and Hi dad,
it's massed up. And I was I was reading an
article in the country Wide about and the headline said
no slacking on sheep measles prevention. So the sheep measles
is the is the overs tapeworm and the Meat Industry
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of New Zealand or them a meat industry association. They
they have sort of been promoting the awareness and the
control of sheet measles and I read in this article
that they provide three there's three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars funding a effort for the promotion of of you know,
towards sheet measles and the and the national prevalence is
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of sheet means is zero point zero descent and and
sheet measles unlike the old highdatis it doesn't affect humans.
But it's just the fact that it's it leads to
you know, targeters are being rejected and they have to
be required further cutting to remove which you know the
effect of the areas, which which is during processing, which
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costs a bit of money. But you know it's quite
a risk of the to the export market with this,
and there was a there was one art one article
said that a recent case study with an outbreak of
sheet measles on one hundred and fifty hectare finishing unit
costs the owner about four thousand dollars not income, and
it takes months to remedy. So it's you know what, obviously,
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with seet measles, you need to dose your dogs with
every with every month, and share dogs are frequently visited
farms of dose and you've got to remember to keep
you keep your meat frozen to minus ten degrees so
that you know that's the seet measles and they with
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with with So I got thinking about hydatus. And in
the old days, when you know, we had the highdatis
control officers and you used to every six weeks you
went to the dog dosing strip. For people out there
that can't remember, you know, every every district had a
dog dosing strip and the dog dos that come around.
And one of those icon icons of dog dosing was
(23:44):
one of Balfa's finest John Vikwan and nickname Purge. So
I gave per during the other day just to refresh
my memory on how the high datis used to work.
And he is, he is a bundle of knowledge John,
and he still he still does over his control. In fact,
he travels monthly down south and up sort of back
(24:05):
to the McKenzie country, doing the bigger places on a
monthly basis. So and likes of me. He sends me
pills once a month for the dogs and does that
to a lot of people. And I've always liked that
idea because it because an envelope comes in the mail
would says treat dogs first day of each month. You
get it, and you don't sort of think I must
get the pills out and do it. He runs a
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pretty good service, but he was saying that. So hydiadis
was eradicated, eradicated about ninety ninety six, and that was
with that was with the drug droms and that basically
you know, before then, as we said, every six weeks
used to go to the dog dosing strips and every
every once in a while they would purge the dog.
So that was that was they gave them a pill
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and had made them, you know, purge out. And John
said it was it was quite severe on the animals,
on the dogs, it was quite quite hard on the system.
But that then those those samples were then sent to
Inveromey and the whole all the samples throughout all the
dogs in New Zealand at the time at the time
that they well sent for info May and that was
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basically to just to check if you know, if the
dogs had had high Datus and also that and if
they did that those farmers were you know, they were
they were investigated more because unlike sheet means, all the
high Datus affected people and you know, I know people
that were infected with high datus and that you know,
they would have to have some of their lungs removed
(25:31):
or tumors. So it was quite it was quite an
infectious disease. So that's what happened then. And in nineteen
seventy nine there were eighty cases alone in the south
in the Southland district of my datus. So the difference
between high Datus and overs as I say, the effects
one effects the humans, the other doesn't. But one high
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Datus worm could lay between eight hundreds of thousand eggs
and the sheet means were worm as we're calling the
ovis now does anywhere with it can effect any it
can sort of get rid of eighty thousand eggs. So
it's a it's quite a problem that we that we
deal with. So getting back to it, you know that
those days of going around the strips and the dog
dose is doing all that work yet got rid of
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the highdatus, but that the overs it's still a cost
of it to the economy, and it's you know, it's
a good it's a reminder. It's a good reminder of
everybody that to make sure and get your dogs dose
once a month. You can do it yourself, obviously, get
your pills and do it, but and and be aware
of other dogs coming on and on your on your farm.
(26:36):
So I think that's you know, we're trying to you know,
the meat industry is under a lot of scrutiny and
we want to we don't want to be known for
carcasses that are up coming up to standard and having
to be cut in the processing. So make sure and
get your dogs what's the words, Sorry he is cut there,
(26:57):
but yeah, make sure and get your dog's dosed and
any inquiries, give John Purge mciuner and he'll put you're.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Right, absolutely disaster. We'll leave it there. In your homework
for next week is to bring a PG friendly joke
to the show. How's that?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh, well I should I'll have to give ring back.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Great disaster McMaster thanks to Abby roveral Up next, Nicola
Blair from Dirry and zis welcome back to the Muster
(27:40):
on Hakanui. Nicola Blair joins us for a Muster debut
next out of Dirry in Zi Nicola, Good afternoon and.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Welcome, good afternoon, and how you getting on?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Can't really complain when it's a warmer afternoon than what
we've had. And finally we're starting to see some pasture
growth throround the province and p people can actually get
onto the farms and get work done. It's good.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, it's been so good to have a couple of
weeks so warmer weather because spring sort of put us
through our paces.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Are we but spring is interesting. James Egger made the
comparison before farming is fun for six months of the years,
just what six months you look at, But it doesn't
always have to be like that. Now you're involved with
the team at darien Z. You just started there recently actually,
so give us a little bit about your background.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'm the new area manager for Northern
Southland and West Chicago. So yeah, I'm really excited to
be stepping into that role. It's a new role for
the Northern Southland area. They haven't actually had an individual
area manager for that area, so it'll be really cool
(28:49):
to get out and amongst there again because I used
to TV test Kettle in that area for ten years.
So yeah, I'm really looking forward to getting out out
there and working with all the farmers there again in
a new role. Yeah, and support these guys and run
some discussion groups and yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
No, it'll be really good.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So you're working in an area that you know pretty well.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yep, No, and it's a great area.
There's some awesome farmers in amongst theirs. So no, really
looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
So about your role exactly, Nichola, What does it entail?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
So, I'll be it's basically about connection building connections, and yeah,
I'll be running discussion groups and events and field days
around the region. Yeah, and I want to make sure
that I make those gatherings really practical and relevant to
what farmers are doing. So it's a really good opportunity
(29:51):
for people to come along and share their ideas and
a safe environment and yeah take learnings away. So yeah, no, definitely, definitely,
just yeah about building good relationships and all about connecting people.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So the workshops that you're talking about, Nicola, give us
an example of what people can expect.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Well, just yes, sort of just what I mentioned really yeah,
just they'll be really practical and about what people are
doing at that time, or just there'll be farmer leads.
So I want to get feedback from farmers in the
area about what they actually want to talk about. There's
no point in me standing up there and telling telling
(30:37):
them what to do. Yeah, so just.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, you're keen to get farm You're keen to get
feedback from the farmers regarding workshops and the likes.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Yeah, absolutely, definitely feedbacks everything. Yeah, otherwise I don't Yeah,
it just gives me more direction.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So like some this time with here, for example, I
mean we've just seen the way the weather's been a
bit of a bugger to be perfectly frank, maybe looking
at feed budgeting or something like that, just looking at
a couple of reminders as you head through the season,
going on farm and doing a few field days and
the likes.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yeah, definitely all around pasture. And we actually have some
events coming up around homegrown Feed which would be really good, Yeah,
for farmers to get along too at the end of
this month in early December. Just ye, get the best
out of your pasture that you have on your farm.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
More sustainable farming really, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What it comes down to. Now, events that are coming up.
We talk about these workshops, what's on the horizon.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
So we've actually got a really awesome event coming up
in Western Tigos and that's on the twenty first of November,
and yeah, that's on Homegrown Feed. So I'll be around
exploring how high input systems can drive profitability. And there's more,
(32:10):
a couple more at the end of November and early December.
So yeah, just jump on air hearing the website and
Dove got all the information. What time when you need
to go, Yeah, make sure if you can come along
because we'd love to see it, is all there.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Do people need to register for these events or is
it a matter of turning up on the day. What
do you prefer it? Which is easier.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
You don't have to.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Register, but if you do, yeah, just gives us a
bit of an idea of head count. But no, definitely
don't have to register. Yeah, if you'd decide on the
day that you want to rock up, then yeah, just
do that.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
That's all good.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So, Nicola, what you're more or less saying is that
farmers can expect you're having a hands on approach regarding workshops.
They're yazing with them to see what they're like to
see you happen as far as events, so you can
just help out wherever, right.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Yeah, absolutely, yep, definitely, I'm always I'm always came for
a yarn and feedback and everything. So yeah, if you
see me around or want to give me a call,
please don't.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
He's it take Yeah, And because you're already living in
the South, I don't even ask you if you've been
to Rugby Park and you had abuse at the ref
after a couple of beers. Right, Hey, Nichola Blair, deary Z,
thanks very much for your time on the Muster this afternoon.
Great debut and we'll speak again.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Enjoy the other awesome Thanks Andy, you too.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Nicola Blair from derry En z. Before we wrap up
the muster. On a Wednesday afternoon, we are catching up
with Lennberry.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Your mamma is.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Lynn Berry, joins us this afternoon on the mustard once again.
Good afternoon, Lynn. It sounds as though you're out in
the garden. You're putting them nesting up over the strawberries.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Over the raspberries.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Raspberries.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
I have figured out how to do the strawberries yet,
I've got a patch that's twelve meters by five meters,
but they just keep expanding everywhere.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I mean, it's terrible, a lot of problem to have.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I know it's better than some of the Dutch Danish
farmers at the moment, but yeah, it's only minus Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Bovera ten, I think it's here pronounced it.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
This is all about methane reduction and cows. But there's
a lot of this to unravel.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, So there's a.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Product on the market called Barbara ten. It's not in
the market here, it's in about thirty five countries around
the world have approved its use and it's supposed to
reduce the methane production from reminent bacteria in our cattle
are cows in this case, by thirty two forty five percent.
(35:14):
It's really interesting that the research that I've read about it,
it says that it's at this stage it should only
be fed to female luminance from their first mating until culling.
And the FEEDAP, which is terrible for a dissexit person
to say, doesn't recommend it on other ruminants at this
(35:37):
stage because the information and the retroal results they've seen,
they can't calibrate out how much it is. So that
big all those letters is the Panel on Additives and
Product Products or Substances used in Animal Feeds and it's
a panel that reports back to the European Food Safety Authority.
(36:00):
Product itself is made up of three different only three
different ingredients only and excuse me if I can't pronounce
the first one, which is three nitro oxo pro pinole.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Is best direct, well done, excellent.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Silicon dioxide and propolene glocals. Yes, they shorten the three
watson the call it's down to threeps. So when the
cow eat this is thep is broken down into n
OPA and HPA. So all the research shows that the
(36:37):
three duff gets broken down really rapidly and it's not
found in plasma to one to two hours post feeding
of your animals. And according to all the research that
I've seen, the THREEP and n OPA are not found
in milk or edible tissue. This has been one of
the issues with trials that one of the dairy companies
(37:01):
are Ala in the UK, have been trialing it on
their dairy farms and it's been selling through some of
the supermarkets there. There's been quite a consumer backlash about
its use and they're worried about the fact that it
could be passed on, but according to trials it's not.
(37:23):
The other thing is that some of the in their
trials at high doses, they have found a relationship between
high doses and rats with testicular toxicity.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Hell a name for a band that it is, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (37:42):
It could be a good part rock band, but not
not too good for you blokes though, because it reduces
the size of the testicles, it reduces the ani epidemymis
at lower sperm counts, and it can create poor sperm mobility.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Now it's supposed to reduce methane reduction by approximately thirty
percent in dairy cows and up to forty five percent
in beef cattle. They're saying as far as dosage, only
a quarter of a teaspoon abo via ten is needed
per cow per day and it starts to take effect
within thirty minutes. If these are all trials, though there's
none of the set in concrete as far as what
(38:21):
the extra results are. Surely okay.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
So the majority of the trials have been done on
individual cows or goat or rats or guinea pigs, and
what it has been as it hasn't been done over
like a whole herd situation or a whole farm or
in a large scale operation. There's not a heck of
(38:44):
a lot of information about the effect on milk production,
feed efficiency, on milk solids, or any other gases that
are emitted. So it's really interesting the information that you
read the other night, a good review out by Japanese
organization that had some really good information in it. But
(39:07):
the big thing is that it's supposed to be safe
for your care. But if you're a person who is
actually handling these products, maybe an a grain facility or
somewhere like Sergeant Dens where they're putting it into a
palette form so it goes into the cow's feed, then
you have to wear protective gear, eye protection, dust masks,
(39:29):
imperviable gloves, and you have to if you get it
on yourself, you have to wash it off really really quickly.
So as far as for human contact of the product,
not ingesting it, there are some issues with it as well.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
As far as New Zealand, though how realistic is it
for this being available? I see likes of Australia, the EU, Canada,
the US, et cetera. It's all available there, but realistically
can we expect it on as shores would?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean not?
Speaker 6 (40:00):
And there's the government's going to change the rules and
make us all feed that have our cows houses and
barns and feed them a controlled amount of feed each day,
which we we can't do when they go out into
a paddackt and you know, and then we get the
animal welfare groups jumping up and down because we're a
industrial or farming The thing is too that it is
(40:23):
it's only supposed to be used on some of the
information I've seen is on your lactating cows. It hasn't
got it. It's not supposed to be used for any
other roomin and animals. From the trial work that I've
seen so it's quite interesting that the beef industry is
using it, and there's suggestions that it should could be
used on sheep and beef as well. Only for and
(40:45):
only for lactating animals, so you've only got a certain
amount of animal of cattle that can have the product
to get that thirty to forty five percent reduction. So
it's a bit confusing some of the information, like can
you use it in all your kettle? In Denmark they
(41:06):
are actually bringing it in next year that it has
to be used on forty percent of all kettles.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Good luck with that, I'd say, Lynn, Hey, better leave
it there. Thanks to your time. Interesting was always thank.
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And what are you going to get for a twenty
stock selling action? This afternoon Cam's courtesy of PGG Rights
and Mark cald Us on the line to give us
an update from the Barcluther sale Yards regarding the sale
that was hew this morning. Gid Ah Mark, how do
we go?
Speaker 8 (42:36):
Good day? Here we going? You know we're good today
with another nice beautiful morning. Someone's out again. You're getting
into the prime lames. We had a quarter reason we
add in the prime names that hadn't cut the take yet.
They went the tops me from three hundred and three
thirty mediums, three fifty undred and eighty in the smalls
or one eighty two twenty reason we Hadden of some
week or are us coming through as well? There's some
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BOOKI bus coming at through twenty to three to forty
mediums one seventy to two hundred, and the latter years
of one hundred to one twenty. We had a small
yard and the views and the lands at the foot them.
They went really well. One hundred and thirty, one hundred
and thirty four and that was pretty much us today.
We had a few fresh cut teeth. They still sell
well in that one fifty. Yeah, good week in the sun.
(43:18):
On the South Island, little spirits very well and could
do a bit more rain as long as they have
Wednesdays away. And that's pretty much it for us here
in the South.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Thank you Bractice until
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yeah, it's Freddy.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Haki. My
name's Andy Miller. I'm here until two o'clock thanks to
Peter's Genetics. Thanks for your company. On a hunt day
with overcast sky surrounding the main street of gorel though
it is pretty mild. We're going to talk weather very shortly.
But the music for the day is Meghan Trainer. The
song here all about that bass. It's about body image,
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Just raise them up. Every ends of you is perfect,
from the bottom.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
To the tar.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
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The proof is in the progeny Teffron dot co dot nzi.
This afternoon partly cloudy, You're breezy easterly is in twenty three,
Thursday cloudy? Who are lights? Our westerlies five and fifteen,
Friday showers of breezey nor westers four and twenty. Saturday
showers once again with breezy westerlies three and twelve and
on Sunday party cloudy like nor easterly. He's nine to
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twenty saw temperatures to hand Clinton thirteen point four, more
than Southland eleven point seven, Riveton twelve point nine, tian
Now thirteen point one, Tidoro a twelve point eight win
Toon eleven point six and Woodland's twelve point one. As
we start the show with James Egger farming at Maa Flat,
he's in the tailing pen today, so it takes a
bit of time out to have a bit of a
(01:22):
chat about the situation that he's seeing on his farm
at the moment. Michael McCutcheon, he is the Southland Area
manager for Rabobank. As part of our series of Southland
Reveral Support trust regarding mindset after the weather events a
few weeks ago and just looking forward from a banking perspective.
That's why we catch up with Michael today, tells us
(01:42):
all about what to expect over the next couple of months.
Nikola Blair from Derry and Z's on the program Grant Disaster.
McMaster from klosper and Station has a chat once again,
and Lynn Berry as well with Mark Calder from BGG
writs and give a rundown. I'm about close to sale,
(02:02):
so we'll start the next with James Eger. This is
the Muster until two o'clock thanks to Peterson leis Now
I'm on that song there is for our next guest,
(02:34):
James Eckert, who farms at Male Flat. The song is
here and unstoppable pretty much and it could imagine you, James,
running through brick walls listening to that. That's your real
pump ump pump up hand from by the sounds of it.
Good afternoon.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, well, you know absolutely we'll maybe be playing that
in the lampin We got a bit late, well later
than usual. We're probably ten days later than usual doing
some of the tailing and yeah, no I know the yeah, yeah,
when it's all turning the lamp and there's some really
big big lambs, yes, which is which was not a problem.
It's something really good. But yeah, it's certainly been an
(03:09):
interesting season. We're still tailing today, just finishing the hogts
and the lakes and the last of the main line. Yeah,
we've had trees down like everyone else. Yeah, it's been well,
sort of lined up, sort of happened quite Lisa. We're
hoping to finish the kale and fought a BIC this
week as well. Act she's sort of all hittening once.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Isn't it? So?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Hell are the lamb numbers looking?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, one's just alright. To be fair, I think we
sort of had a bit of a gut feeling there with.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
It's sort of been a weird season, hasn't it. The
grass growth hasn't been really good, and then it's gone
well this last ten days, which is good. But we're
actually we've had we've had a vat checking while my
sister's a vat like Lisa. You sort of had some
inside stuff there. But so I've been from scoring all
the us through the tailing pen and then put the
(04:03):
block numbers in terms of percentages and then just working
a way through that. That's been quite interesting. So when
we set stuff then we're about a two point three,
which is lighter than wanted because we checked them there.
We gave them all a triple drench before we spread out,
and then yeah, we find often you can lose weight
(04:24):
on sheep. I guess at mark flat just life and
then now people in nights, which is good so don't
think milking really well. And we'll score them again at weening,
so it'll be interesting to track and one of the
other interesting things so far early doors haven't clear studied
that because we've been busy, but it's looking like those
(04:45):
twin us that we're on more grass, like the young
grass paddocks that other so they had a bit more
like they've lammed a percentage even with less shelter than
what some of the hell blocks have done with more shelter.
But because the season was so late this one, we
just found the brown top and the boor of grass
species that just didn't grow for so long. So yeah,
(05:07):
so it was sort of opposite and put to be honest,
because I thought with the weather being a little bit
average all the way through, we might have found the
hill blocks with more shelter would have had more lambs alive.
But it's actually looking like that padics with more grass
cover are going to have more lambs alive. So yeah,
that's certainly something interesting this year that we've worked out
so far.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
That's interesting, say the least.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, we're just trying to track a bit more stuff well,
you know, just measure, measure more and just try and
get a bit more scientific. We've did the hogits today
and we're one of the really pleasing things where hoggits
with lambs that gone through the tiling pen are still
a condition score three. So yeah, I'm wrapped about that
because they would probably a three at seats docking and
(05:53):
we gave them a triple drench and they I was
before now I've used long acting products, but we went
away from this year, so I was a little bit nervous.
I might have got worms, but at the moment they don't.
They're not wearing me. And the conditions score three you
know at tailing. So yeah, hopefully if we keep growing,
grass said, yeah, that's going to be really good. So no,
(06:15):
it's been quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
What would you say, Okay, you say you've got a
condition score three on your huggers, what would that be
in live weight?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Oh that's a great question, Eddie. I didn't actually tell you,
to be honest, I'd only be guessing. I think they're
more modern approach. The condition scores more important than weight
air sheeper. We're trying to go at least half peering
also mature you live weight the condition scored three would
only be probably seventy, but over many kilos now, so
(06:46):
there are a lot smaller sheep than some people. So no,
that's really good.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Still animal, Yeah, no, no, it's still good.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
But some of these years now would especially some of
these hogit weights are amazing the matter, you know, sixty
odd kilers. But another interesting thing on the top farm
that's more paddic country, you'd call it, there's been no
there's been no difference in conditions score on the US.
Well how much condition score they put on between the
(07:15):
poorer paddocks and then the young grass paddocks. I thought
personally that you might have found that the young paddocks
the US that had more grass when you're spread out
and they've had better grass, would be fatter themselves, but
that there's no difference in the US. So they were
all about two point eight well that close to it
(07:36):
wasn't even funny. And then the difference was probably in
lamb live weight. You could tell slightly the better lambs
were on the younger paddocks, and the lambs were all
very good to be fair. But yeah, so that was
something else interesting on more paddic country. So no, would
be interesting if we can do it for a couple
of years, just to see what sort of things we
can learn.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So how attentive are you when it comes to lamb covers.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
To be fair, we put extra pressure on our us.
I'd say in winter time, I'm sure we're spreading out
on twelve to four one hundred. We don't have quite
the highest because we're up higher. So no, definitely have
to feed to you while you's milking, just non negotiable.
(08:23):
We've got this year to say, yeah, it was always
nice to have more lambs, but always yeah, yeah, yeah,
but what we do have would be the best lambs
we've had This year. They significantly forward. We think they
could be five those heavier than last year. Is where
we think the lambs.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Are so ween's waning.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
We'll start winning riversal down on Tapanoi. We start that
at the end of this month, so the last week
in November and the freezer us will go and then
we just sort of have a rolling waning from there.
We're trying to do it on a grass covers and
condition scores and be on when the leafy turn up's ready.
There's no point putting all this fatnings finishing, so if
(09:07):
you're not going to use them properly or get the
timings properly, but it was we're very decided we'll win
early there's a middle ridge on the block.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
That online.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
The one tout they had more shelter, but they're really
poor grass species, and the us that they were only
sort of might have been touring the half condition score
they were worth. So we'll wan those early straight onto
the As soon as the turn up's ready, they'll come
off and we'll start putting away from them, and then
some of the other blocks that they are looking good
and their feeds good. I mean, we're not scared to
(09:40):
leave them an until you know, middle of January to
be fear. So, yeah, we're just got to play it
by year with the season, I guess.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So everybody's got their power issues restored over at my flat, Yeah, no,
we were.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
We were six odd days without. We've just got the
generators in then. Yeah, it was not because I guess
it was velvet time and a few other jobs. But
we do lose power a lot in the winter. It's
just comes with the territory. So we are sort of
half set up with yeah. Yeah, like so the house
(10:13):
still has running water and we can still have heating
and we can still cook, and so we were we
have the house seat up basically for no pair because
it does happen, you know, four or five times a year.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
For four or five times a year, you're just resigned
to the fact you're going to lose power for a
day or too. Is that correct?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be a better real Yeah. Yeah,
most of in the winter, as I say, certainly when
you're quite off and around snow events. Snow events definitely
seem to knock the pair out of bit. And that's
all the other things that can go wrong, isn't it.
There's always trees that other times. Yeah, yeah, something's something's
gone wrong, so but no, we we definitely yeah, four
(10:52):
or five times a year would leave loose power for
you know, but over a day, I'm yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Just finally, you're up on the top stre mar flat.
Give us a description of what you're saying at the
moment around you in those vistas.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh, bright green grass. That seems what you're flying andy, Yeah,
it was quite funny. We're talking around the tailing shoot
before and I'm saying my sister was asking about and
I said, yeah, I said, it just wouldn't be anywhere
else for six months of the year. But we don't
like to talk about the other six months.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's open to interpretation. James Egg, Hey, we'll let you
carry on you and got a bit on your plate today.
Always good to chat mate, O care.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
James Igger of mar Flat. You're listening to the muster
on Hakanoi. Up next from Rubbi Bank, Michael McCutcheon's part
of our series with the South and Rural Support Trust.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You need.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Welcome back to the muster. Michael McCutcheon joins us next.
He is Rabobanks Southland Area manager. Of course we've teamed
up the South and Rural Support Trust here on the
muster in conjunction with Community Trusts South just to speak
to people from different parts of the rural sector after
the wind events that occurred just about three weeks ago. Gosh,
(12:16):
where's that time gone? Anyway, Michael's going to give us
a bit of an indication from a banking perspective about
looking at the current situation as well and just from
a monetary viewpoint what you need to be thinking about. Michael,
great to chat on the muster. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Yeah, thanks Eddie. It's good to touch base and good
to you know, make sure all of our farming community.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Is well supported and that's the big thing. We look,
what is it just about twenty one days ago since
the winds occurred down here in the Deep South which
were catastrophic for a lot of people in more ways
than one. From what you're seen there from a banking perspective,
how's the situation unfolded?
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah, Look, well the situation varies. You know, there's a
lot of people that have already been in and tidy
up mode and and got the clean up done with
within days after the event, and there's some that are
in a in a situation where it's going to take
well over twelve months before they actually get a decent
clean up given the effect on you not only shout abouts,
(13:16):
but infrastructure as well. So you know, the good thing
is the community is coming together to help one another.
And from a banking spector, you know there's there's plenty
of capital available to make sure farmers are well supported.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I suppose if there's a positive through all this, it
is the fact that the sectors are looking pretty good
at the moment. The red meat sector of the dairy
sector arguably arable the prices there to be continued in
that sense, let's be honest, But overall, you think farmers
like they're still within their means regarding getting the infrastructure
up and running again with within budget. All right.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah, look, as I sort of mentioned that it does vary.
You know, there's going to be a lot of people
that are that are impacted there. I think the venison
or the velvet is certainly probably the industry that is
bearing the worst in this current environment. But yeah, when
it comes to budgets, there is certainly going to be
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some blowouts in terms of you know, the capital needed
to spend on twenty of diggers, fencing, a lot of infrastructure.
You know, I've heard over forty five red pipe barns
or thereabouts have lost covers. So you know it might
be a flying effect into next year with winter grazing.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, certainly there's going to be a lot of flow
on effects from this, but it's all about negating the
season at hand, and well from a sheep farmer's perspective,
just on the cusp of getting that income rolling in,
maybe your hogot checks come in for the wall. You
might have had a few carls go away to the
works and the likes, but the lambs are just starting
to go off to the works and they're not too
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just in future. So that's not going to be affected
too badly, I'd imagine, no, no, it won't.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Be, but there's probably going to be a few pictures
on working capital or overdrafts, and my advices on that is,
don't make a decision based on working capital. If those
decisions have got to be made, just get on the
phone and talk to your bank here and try and
get a good decision to increase those those working capital requirements,
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just so you've got more breeding space to make the
right decision for the family and for the farm and livestock.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Banks have been pretty understanding around the current circumstances, I'd imagine, yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Absolutely, Yeah, we're on putting of rural support calls and
et cetera, and yeah absolutely, you know, talking on behalf
of all banks here, certainly everyone is getting in behind
making sure clients are are well supported, not only you know, financially,
but you know, checking in physically and you know, supporting
(15:51):
with barbecues, events, et cetera. So yeah, I would just
encourage people to pick up the phone if it's not
a band CA, you know, get in touch with the
trusted advisor, well.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
The farmers you've touched base with Michael and talking everybody
within the sector at the moment, how do they seem
to be coping.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
On the surface, everyone's relatively bubbly. You know, I've talked
to a couple of farmers that are certainly a whole
lot worse for where and you know we're talking hundreds
of thousands of dollars expected to be impacted by underneath.
You know, they will be stressing, but you know we
need to give them reassurance that we are there to support,
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you know, financially and are able to make sure they
are well supported.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's probably the big message here, I suppose. Isn't it
just for farmers to realize any concerns, just to reach out.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, you know we're we're standing board. We're happy
to talk to people, you know, the trusted advisors. You know,
they're all in the everyone's in the same boat. Making sure.
We want to prioritize you know, family and making sure
everyone's safe and where and their friends, and then of
course we get into supporting the stock and the businesses. No.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I talked about this on the show yesterday about with
Graham Butcher actually a farm consultant who says that every
spring is going to be different. And it's interesting too
when you look at next season, how are you going
to plan out? Are you guests going to do winter great?
Are you just going to do grass wintering? Are you
going to put the crops? And as you alluded to before,
all of a sudden, a whole lot of conversations come
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on to the table because well, for whatever reason, we
know the reason. Actually there's blooming trees down everywhere. You're
not going to be able to do perhaps the wintering
plan that you wanted to, But it's not going to
necessarily define your business.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
No, No, definitely not. And I think you know that
there is always a pilot of that comes out of
an event like this where we do become more resilient
and we learn from it and the opportunity to build
it into a farm plan or build it into whatever plan.
We've got to make sure we are resilient for events
like that. You know, we had a rough spring last year,
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this wind event this year. There is going to be
something just around the corner, and you know, it's making
sure that we are resilient and we are looking after
and said, I was making sure we can all pull
through it together.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, that's the big message there. Michael Hey, appreciated your
time on the must of this afternoon. Michael McCutcheon, Rabobank
Area Manager for Southland, thanks very much for your time.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Nowhere is it all? Andy chairs.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Michael McCutchen, Rabobank Southland Area Manager. And just on that
low Michael said, various events happening around the province. At
the Mandibale Country Club tonight with soeuth and Ural Support Trust,
there is a community barbecue starting at six o'clock. So
if you need a bit of a break, why not
here demandible grants asked. McMaster is up next. This is
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the muster shure. No, how did Hama long ba dabeysa
dabeys No, thanks to Abi Rural. It's time to catch
up the great does as McMaster. Farming on the edges
of lake w a turpoo, a beautiful clothes bearing station.
Good afternoon, Grant.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Good up, theon Andy good up and then everybody in
a beautiful day here at close Burn. There's not a
RiPP along the lake. There's a little bit of a
cool breeze. Earlier on suns come out and when the
sun came out it was quite warm and setting about
fifteen degrees and we had seven mills of rain yesterday
and or sorry the day before, so that's been that's
quite a refrie from the fifties, sixties and all the
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big numbers we were getting. So things are well, they're
sort of drying out. Saw a lot of water around,
you know, it's creeks and still coming out of the hill.
But bit of heat and a bit of grass growth.
So that's it's all very it's looking God.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I'd say everything's looking rather green with all that rain
and a bit of heat.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Everything's very green, is it. I just went down to
Gore yesterday and it's a farewell Johnny Wendell, and you
know there's a lot of crop being cut, and the
balers were out, and you know, some some areas I
saw up actually behind Belfa that had been you know,
it had been cut earlier on and the and the
regrowth and those paddocks obviously cut and carry was looking
(20:09):
pretty good. So I thought, you know, Southam, well, what
I saw east in Southam was it was looking good.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Say the lambing just about be over and done with that. Imagine.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, there's there's sort of the end of that second cycle,
that sort of finishing I saw a couple of lambs
born the other day, but those things are just about
pretty well done and dusted now. And we've got a
couple of big cows that were a bit bit later
when we scanned, and they they're due to drop. I've
just seen a couple of them they haven't got haven't
(20:37):
carved yet. But no, apart from that, it's it's all
looking pretty good. Over the hills or the two tis
over there have have lambed and all the all the
heifers have carved. So we'll be to mark some of
those hefers shortly, and sorry not the heaps the calves
and do those do those lambs before we do the
main light at the end of this month. But lambs
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are growing.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's good quality sheep for the feed as I said,
sheep feed for the sheep, as I said last week,
but not in abundance for the for the cows. So
thank goodness, they're all set stopped around the place that
you know that they're getting by all right. But yeah,
talking to them and neighbors up here that everyone's in
the same boat. Just from going back from that, you know,
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the dry summer, dry autumn, and yeah, probably the cows
of there there the stock units that are that are
suffering the most.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Hi Dadad's you want to comment on this today?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Hi dadda's sort of a word we I think people
sort of get overs and or sheet measles and Hi dad,
it's massed up. And I was I was reading an
article in the country Wide about and the headline said
no slacking on sheep measles prevention. So the sheep measles
is the is the overs tapeworm and the Meat Industry
(21:56):
of New Zealand or them a meat industry association. They
they have sort of been promoting the awareness and the
control of sheet measles and I read in this article
that they provide three there's three hundred and fifty thousand
dollars funding a effort for the promotion of of you know,
towards sheet measles and the and the national prevalence is
(22:17):
of sheet means is zero point zero descent and and
sheet measles unlike the old highdatis it doesn't affect humans.
But it's just the fact that it's it leads to
you know, targeters are being rejected and they have to
be required further cutting to remove which you know the
effect of the areas, which which is during processing, which
(22:39):
costs a bit of money. But you know it's quite
a risk of the to the export market with this,
and there was a there was one art one article
said that a recent case study with an outbreak of
sheet measles on one hundred and fifty hectare finishing unit
costs the owner about four thousand dollars not income, and
it takes months to remedy. So it's you know what, obviously,
(23:02):
with seet measles, you need to dose your dogs with
every with every month, and share dogs are frequently visited
farms of dose and you've got to remember to keep
you keep your meat frozen to minus ten degrees so
that you know that's the seet measles and they with
(23:23):
with with So I got thinking about hydatus. And in
the old days, when you know, we had the highdatis
control officers and you used to every six weeks you
went to the dog dosing strip. For people out there
that can't remember, you know, every every district had a
dog dosing strip and the dog dos that come around.
And one of those icon icons of dog dosing was
(23:44):
one of Balfa's finest John Vikwan and nickname Purge. So
I gave per during the other day just to refresh
my memory on how the high datis used to work.
And he is, he is a bundle of knowledge John,
and he still he still does over his control. In fact,
he travels monthly down south and up sort of back
(24:05):
to the McKenzie country, doing the bigger places on a
monthly basis. So and likes of me. He sends me
pills once a month for the dogs and does that
to a lot of people. And I've always liked that
idea because it because an envelope comes in the mail
would says treat dogs first day of each month. You
get it, and you don't sort of think I must
get the pills out and do it. He runs a
(24:26):
pretty good service, but he was saying that. So hydiadis
was eradicated, eradicated about ninety ninety six, and that was
with that was with the drug droms and that basically
you know, before then, as we said, every six weeks
used to go to the dog dosing strips and every
every once in a while they would purge the dog.
So that was that was they gave them a pill
(24:50):
and had made them, you know, purge out. And John
said it was it was quite severe on the animals,
on the dogs, it was quite quite hard on the system.
But that then those those samples were then sent to
Inveromey and the whole all the samples throughout all the
dogs in New Zealand at the time at the time
that they well sent for info May and that was
(25:11):
basically to just to check if you know, if the
dogs had had high Datus and also that and if
they did that those farmers were you know, they were
they were investigated more because unlike sheet means, all the
high Datus affected people and you know, I know people
that were infected with high datus and that you know,
they would have to have some of their lungs removed
(25:31):
or tumors. So it was quite it was quite an
infectious disease. So that's what happened then. And in nineteen
seventy nine there were eighty cases alone in the south
in the Southland district of my datus. So the difference
between high Datus and overs as I say, the effects
one effects the humans, the other doesn't. But one high
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Datus worm could lay between eight hundreds of thousand eggs
and the sheet means were worm as we're calling the
ovis now does anywhere with it can effect any it
can sort of get rid of eighty thousand eggs. So
it's a it's quite a problem that we that we
deal with. So getting back to it, you know that
those days of going around the strips and the dog
dose is doing all that work yet got rid of
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the highdatus, but that the overs it's still a cost
of it to the economy, and it's you know, it's
a good it's a reminder. It's a good reminder of
everybody that to make sure and get your dogs dose
once a month. You can do it yourself, obviously, get
your pills and do it, but and and be aware
of other dogs coming on and on your on your farm.
(26:36):
So I think that's you know, we're trying to you know,
the meat industry is under a lot of scrutiny and
we want to we don't want to be known for
carcasses that are up coming up to standard and having
to be cut in the processing. So make sure and
get your dogs what's the words, Sorry he is cut there,
(26:57):
but yeah, make sure and get your dog's dosed and
any inquiries, give John Purge mciuner and he'll put you're.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Right, absolutely disaster. We'll leave it there. In your homework
for next week is to bring a PG friendly joke
to the show. How's that?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh, well I should I'll have to give ring back.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Great disaster McMaster thanks to Abby roveral Up next, Nicola
Blair from Dirry and zis welcome back to the Muster
(27:40):
on Hakanui. Nicola Blair joins us for a Muster debut
next out of Dirry in Zi Nicola, Good afternoon and.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Welcome, good afternoon, and how you getting on?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Can't really complain when it's a warmer afternoon than what
we've had. And finally we're starting to see some pasture
growth throround the province and p people can actually get
onto the farms and get work done. It's good.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
Yeah, it's been so good to have a couple of
weeks so warmer weather because spring sort of put us
through our paces.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Are we but spring is interesting. James Egger made the
comparison before farming is fun for six months of the years,
just what six months you look at, But it doesn't
always have to be like that. Now you're involved with
the team at darien Z. You just started there recently actually,
so give us a little bit about your background.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Yeah. Yeah, So I'm the new area manager for Northern
Southland and West Chicago. So yeah, I'm really excited to
be stepping into that role. It's a new role for
the Northern Southland area. They haven't actually had an individual
area manager for that area, so it'll be really cool
(28:49):
to get out and amongst there again because I used
to TV test Kettle in that area for ten years.
So yeah, I'm really looking forward to getting out out
there and working with all the farmers there again in
a new role. Yeah, and support these guys and run
some discussion groups and yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
No, it'll be really good.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So you're working in an area that you know pretty well.
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, yep, No, and it's a great area.
There's some awesome farmers in amongst theirs. So no, really
looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
So about your role exactly, Nichola, What does it entail?
Speaker 7 (29:29):
So, I'll be it's basically about connection building connections, and yeah,
I'll be running discussion groups and events and field days
around the region. Yeah, and I want to make sure
that I make those gatherings really practical and relevant to
what farmers are doing. So it's a really good opportunity
(29:51):
for people to come along and share their ideas and
a safe environment and yeah take learnings away. So yeah, no, definitely, definitely,
just yeah about building good relationships and all about connecting people.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So the workshops that you're talking about, Nicola, give us
an example of what people can expect.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
Well, just yes, sort of just what I mentioned really yeah,
just they'll be really practical and about what people are
doing at that time, or just there'll be farmer leads.
So I want to get feedback from farmers in the
area about what they actually want to talk about. There's
no point in me standing up there and telling telling
(30:37):
them what to do. Yeah, so just.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, you're keen to get farm You're keen to get
feedback from the farmers regarding workshops and the likes.
Speaker 7 (30:49):
Yeah, absolutely, definitely feedbacks everything. Yeah, otherwise I don't Yeah,
it just gives me more direction.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So like some this time with here, for example, I
mean we've just seen the way the weather's been a
bit of a bugger to be perfectly frank, maybe looking
at feed budgeting or something like that, just looking at
a couple of reminders as you head through the season,
going on farm and doing a few field days and
the likes.
Speaker 7 (31:16):
Yeah, definitely all around pasture. And we actually have some
events coming up around homegrown Feed which would be really good, Yeah,
for farmers to get along too at the end of
this month in early December. Just ye, get the best
out of your pasture that you have on your farm.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
More sustainable farming really, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
What it comes down to. Now, events that are coming up.
We talk about these workshops, what's on the horizon.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
So we've actually got a really awesome event coming up
in Western Tigos and that's on the twenty first of November,
and yeah, that's on Homegrown Feed. So I'll be around
exploring how high input systems can drive profitability. And there's more,
(32:10):
a couple more at the end of November and early December.
So yeah, just jump on air hearing the website and
Dove got all the information. What time when you need
to go, Yeah, make sure if you can come along
because we'd love to see it, is all there.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Do people need to register for these events or is
it a matter of turning up on the day. What
do you prefer it? Which is easier.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
You don't have to.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Register, but if you do, yeah, just gives us a
bit of an idea of head count. But no, definitely
don't have to register. Yeah, if you'd decide on the
day that you want to rock up, then yeah, just
do that.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
That's all good.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So, Nicola, what you're more or less saying is that
farmers can expect you're having a hands on approach regarding workshops.
They're yazing with them to see what they're like to
see you happen as far as events, so you can
just help out wherever, right.
Speaker 7 (33:03):
Yeah, absolutely, yep, definitely, I'm always I'm always came for
a yarn and feedback and everything. So yeah, if you
see me around or want to give me a call,
please don't.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
He's it take Yeah, And because you're already living in
the South, I don't even ask you if you've been
to Rugby Park and you had abuse at the ref
after a couple of beers. Right, Hey, Nichola Blair, deary Z,
thanks very much for your time on the Muster this afternoon.
Great debut and we'll speak again.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Enjoy the other awesome Thanks Andy, you too.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Nicola Blair from derry En z. Before we wrap up
the muster. On a Wednesday afternoon, we are catching up
with Lennberry.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Your mamma is.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Lynn Berry, joins us this afternoon on the mustard once again.
Good afternoon, Lynn. It sounds as though you're out in
the garden. You're putting them nesting up over the strawberries.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Over the raspberries.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Raspberries.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
I have figured out how to do the strawberries yet,
I've got a patch that's twelve meters by five meters,
but they just keep expanding everywhere.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I mean, it's terrible, a lot of problem to have.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
I know it's better than some of the Dutch Danish
farmers at the moment, but yeah, it's only minus Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Bovera ten, I think it's here pronounced it.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Now.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
This is all about methane reduction and cows. But there's
a lot of this to unravel.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, So there's a.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
Product on the market called Barbara ten. It's not in
the market here, it's in about thirty five countries around
the world have approved its use and it's supposed to
reduce the methane production from reminent bacteria in our cattle
are cows in this case, by thirty two forty five percent.
(35:14):
It's really interesting that the research that I've read about it,
it says that it's at this stage it should only
be fed to female luminance from their first mating until culling.
And the FEEDAP, which is terrible for a dissexit person
to say, doesn't recommend it on other ruminants at this
(35:37):
stage because the information and the retroal results they've seen,
they can't calibrate out how much it is. So that
big all those letters is the Panel on Additives and
Product Products or Substances used in Animal Feeds and it's
a panel that reports back to the European Food Safety Authority.
(36:00):
Product itself is made up of three different only three
different ingredients only and excuse me if I can't pronounce
the first one, which is three nitro oxo pro pinole.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Is best direct, well done, excellent.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Silicon dioxide and propolene glocals. Yes, they shorten the three
watson the call it's down to threeps. So when the
cow eat this is thep is broken down into n
OPA and HPA. So all the research shows that the
(36:37):
three duff gets broken down really rapidly and it's not
found in plasma to one to two hours post feeding
of your animals. And according to all the research that
I've seen, the THREEP and n OPA are not found
in milk or edible tissue. This has been one of
the issues with trials that one of the dairy companies
(37:01):
are Ala in the UK, have been trialing it on
their dairy farms and it's been selling through some of
the supermarkets there. There's been quite a consumer backlash about
its use and they're worried about the fact that it
could be passed on, but according to trials it's not.
(37:23):
The other thing is that some of the in their
trials at high doses, they have found a relationship between
high doses and rats with testicular toxicity.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Hell a name for a band that it is, isn't it?
Speaker 6 (37:42):
It could be a good part rock band, but not
not too good for you blokes though, because it reduces
the size of the testicles, it reduces the ani epidemymis
at lower sperm counts, and it can create poor sperm mobility.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Now it's supposed to reduce methane reduction by approximately thirty
percent in dairy cows and up to forty five percent
in beef cattle. They're saying as far as dosage, only
a quarter of a teaspoon abo via ten is needed
per cow per day and it starts to take effect
within thirty minutes. If these are all trials, though there's
none of the set in concrete as far as what
(38:21):
the extra results are. Surely okay.
Speaker 6 (38:24):
So the majority of the trials have been done on
individual cows or goat or rats or guinea pigs, and
what it has been as it hasn't been done over
like a whole herd situation or a whole farm or
in a large scale operation. There's not a heck of
(38:44):
a lot of information about the effect on milk production,
feed efficiency, on milk solids, or any other gases that
are emitted. So it's really interesting the information that you
read the other night, a good review out by Japanese
organization that had some really good information in it. But
(39:07):
the big thing is that it's supposed to be safe
for your care. But if you're a person who is
actually handling these products, maybe an a grain facility or
somewhere like Sergeant Dens where they're putting it into a
palette form so it goes into the cow's feed, then
you have to wear protective gear, eye protection, dust masks,
(39:29):
imperviable gloves, and you have to if you get it
on yourself, you have to wash it off really really quickly.
So as far as for human contact of the product,
not ingesting it, there are some issues with it as well.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
As far as New Zealand, though how realistic is it
for this being available? I see likes of Australia, the EU, Canada,
the US, et cetera. It's all available there, but realistically
can we expect it on as shores would?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I mean not?
Speaker 6 (40:00):
And there's the government's going to change the rules and
make us all feed that have our cows houses and
barns and feed them a controlled amount of feed each day,
which we we can't do when they go out into
a paddackt and you know, and then we get the
animal welfare groups jumping up and down because we're a
industrial or farming The thing is too that it is
(40:23):
it's only supposed to be used on some of the
information I've seen is on your lactating cows. It hasn't
got it. It's not supposed to be used for any
other roomin and animals. From the trial work that I've
seen so it's quite interesting that the beef industry is
using it, and there's suggestions that it should could be
used on sheep and beef as well. Only for and
(40:45):
only for lactating animals, so you've only got a certain
amount of animal of cattle that can have the product
to get that thirty to forty five percent reduction. So
it's a bit confusing some of the information, like can
you use it in all your kettle? In Denmark they
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are actually bringing it in next year that it has
to be used on forty percent of all kettles.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Good luck with that, I'd say, Lynn, Hey, better leave
it there. Thanks to your time. Interesting was always thank.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
You, laugh out loud with ag proud because life on
the land can be a laughing matter. Brought to us
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Speaker 1 (41:34):
I asked old Maud how she lost her husband. She
told me her sad story. Well, he needed a blood transfusion,
but his blood type wasn't on record record, so the
doctors asked me if I knew what it was, so
they urgently needed to know in order to save my
Norman's life. Tragically, I've never known his blood type so
I only had time to sit and say goodbye. I'll
(41:54):
never forget how supportive my Norman was. Even he is
fading away, he kept on whispering to me, be positive,
be positive. That was my Norman, always thinking of others.
That's us for the afternoon. The podcast going up surely
and nooy Heart Radio, Mendy Muir. This has been the
muster on Hakannu. He chees to Peter Genetics. Enjoy the afternoon.
(42:16):
See tomorrow. Hey, well all right too, he'll go there.
And what are you going to get for a twenty
stock selling action? This afternoon Cam's courtesy of PGG Rights
and Mark cald Us on the line to give us
an update from the Barcluther sale Yards regarding the sale
that was hew this morning. Gid Ah Mark, how do
we go?
Speaker 8 (42:36):
Good day? Here we going? You know we're good today
with another nice beautiful morning. Someone's out again. You're getting
into the prime lames. We had a quarter reason we
add in the prime names that hadn't cut the take yet.
They went the tops me from three hundred and three
thirty mediums, three fifty undred and eighty in the smalls
or one eighty two twenty reason we Hadden of some
week or are us coming through as well? There's some
(42:57):
BOOKI bus coming at through twenty to three to forty
mediums one seventy to two hundred, and the latter years
of one hundred to one twenty. We had a small
yard and the views and the lands at the foot them.
They went really well. One hundred and thirty, one hundred
and thirty four and that was pretty much us today.
We had a few fresh cut teeth. They still sell
well in that one fifty. Yeah, good week in the sun.
(43:18):
On the South Island, little spirits very well and could
do a bit more rain as long as they have
Wednesdays away. And that's pretty much it for us here
in the South.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Thank you Bractice until
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