September 14, 2025 • 44 mins
Andy Muir talks to Andy Dennis, Penny Simmonds, Dean Rabbidge, Tom O'Brien and Paul Allison.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good afternoon and welcome to the muster on Hakanui. Andy
Mueler here until two o'clock. Thanks for Peter's Tooni Nicks,
thanks for your company after a hectic weekend weather and
sporting wise, the Ill Blacks well we'll talk about this
later on in the Yell with Paul Ellison. What the
hell went on? There was not flash, especially in that
second half, but especially with the South and Stags yesterday
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getting pulverized by Counties. You get argue it's a case
of one step forward, two steps back with the Stags.
One stag forward, two stags back. I don't know. They
just didn't front up unfortunately against Counties. And this is
the county side that hasn't been playing well. They had
to bust down from christ Church on Saturday due to
the weather conditions. So yeah, I know there's something to
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ponder on a Monday afternoon. Really like the music anyway,
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dot MZ and we do have some sunshine over mainstream
and it makes a big difference after what we've had
over the last couple of days. Although this afternoon seas
showers forming with raeizing your westerlies and fifteen Tuesday cloudy,
we're breezing your westerlies twelve and seventeen. That's not bad.
Wednesday rain once again, were breezing your westerly seven and fourteen.
Thursday rain, we're breezy to brisk westerlies one and nine.
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And Friday fartley cloudy with like northwesterlies five and thirteen.
That is what you call a pick and mix of weather.
So temperatures to hand Clinton seven point three, Herriot's six
point one, Northern South and seven point tu, Riverton nine,
tian Now seven point eight, Tinorawa eight wind and six
point five and Woodlands six point nine, with Andy Dennis
starting us off farming in on the Gold Coast of
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a South Island, which is man of Pori MP. Penny
Simmons is on the program as well, followed by Dean
Rabbits who farms at Glenham see how things are going.
As he's getting into the real clutched part of the
lemming season. Tom O'Brien, Garston business owner. Last time we
caught up with Tom, he was busy fixing sleepers on
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the railway line between Kings and Fearlight. We'll see how
that's been going for him. And Paul Ellison, rugby commentator
for a Tiger. You can hear his commentaries and Gold
Sport talking about the All Blacks and what actually went
on over the weekend and what does it mean going forward?
And he touches on the NPC as well, because a
tiger's winning, right, so how can you not? Anyway, we'll
start the hour and next to Eddie Dennis. This is
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the muster until two o'clock thanks to Pettit Genetics. Andy
Dennis is on the Gold Coast of a South Island
which is beautiful. Men of Pori and joins us a
safternoon in the Sergean Dan Farming round Up. Thanks for
Sergeantdan stock foods hearing. Good afternoon, Andy, How was the
Gold Coast to the south today?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
God, it's pretty wet. Yeah, we've had a We've had
a typical September so far, a lot of rain, a
lot of northwast rain. Sort of warm enough but yeah,
it's uh, yeah, we're we're pretty wet now on foot
and sort of the next sort of ten days, if
we don't start getting some sun, we're going to get
right on top of covers if we're not already there there.
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So yeah, it's about where we're at in the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So as far as these wines you were saying before,
there's more northwesterly, so it hasn't been as has cold.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, it's been sort of a yeah, we've had a
lot of rain. There's been snow on the tops every night,
so it's definitely cold ish, but it hasn't been from
the south like a lot of the rest of the South.
And we getting a lot of subtheries, haven't they, So
you know, they can they can sort of have a
hide the throat and lambs, whereas we just sort of
tick around. And yeah, it's not as last year. Last
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year was Yeah, that was was that two hundred and
fifty miles for the first twelve days of September whatever,
That was terrible. But yeah, we're gonna need some sun
so in otherwise for we just back on track. But yeah,
I mean it's been a it's been a squeeze to
get through the season from that dry and you know,
to get your crops the last and never class we
should have probably you know, you're pretty much expecting they
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have a little bit of feet to set stock on
and there it's there. It's on track to be the
typical September. See and September.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, so cutas and the likes. You've had a bit
of fade there, but just disappear because of these cool
the temperatures I suppose.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, no, we're just caught up with it there. So yeah,
bring on some sun. But yeah, we're getting we're sort
of getting a fine break even here and then so
yeah hopefully, well, well you know what it's like. You
just get through September here, you can come out the
other side either and it's one way or the other.
Sort of sets up the rest of the season, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So hell's lambing being for you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So far, you're not too bad. I've had a higher
rate of abortion than the older use. Yeah, i'd say
it's probably double where we usually are. So yeah, I'll
sort of have some shaded out some wheat drives the
last couple of days, so we'll put them on a
truck and make them well, weave it, just make things go.
But yeah, oh there seems to be a few leaves around. Yeah,
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it'll be around here, just like it's again, it wasn't great,
So you can't expect lemon to be a whole lot
better either.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Are you intensive on the leaming bait?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Not really? Well, not not as probably, No, No, I
could be more intensive. But do you start running at
a path, don't you after a while? And yeah, the
subtexts that's sort of done. And now we sort of
start on the romney. So they're still two theirs and
cheap the lambs. So I used to do quite a
lot of mother ups and sort of make everyone count.
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But it creates a lot of work. And I sort
of started that way. And then yeah, we're all that
wet weather and you could just see that you can
go and put yours and lambs and boxes and everything else,
and I just pick up bugs. So I, uh, is
about the fifth I gave up mother ups and that
might be me for the rest of my life. Actually,
it's here I'm feeling at the moment, and all said
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and done, it's it's yeah, it saves a lot of
work because you've got to get grained fit out and
you've got to keep feeding hinds, and you know there's
other stuff to be done on farms, so yeah, you
can only do what you can do some days.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So any of you without a lamb and she's down the.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Road, yes, yep, yep, see will be this year. Yeah,
so that's just here it goes. Usually once the romneys
get going, you get a better survivability. So they are
all the younger sheeps, so it seems to go better.
But yeah, I can't do anything. If you've you know,
you've had abortion earlier on in older US is you
can't do anything about that. So that's just here it goes.
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It's farming. Yeah, so move on.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I understand you've got a slinky run hitting up
there too.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, we have got something run for the first time.
I can't remember. It would be five or six years ago.
I reckon it stopped up here. So yeah, follow ben Bow,
he's from Winton, he's running it. So yeah. I haven't
didn't even ask him about price. I just thought it
was great to get it gone again. So yeah, out
they go, not down a hole.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, well you might end up for a little bit
of a check for the pub.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Later on, Well, if you don't know, everything's positive, isn't it?
You know, everything's a surprise.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And the reest thing as well. Now, the Rabobank Farmer
Confidence Survey came out recently and for the fourth consecutive quarters,
saying that confidence is coming back into the industry just
quickly as well. Jamie McCoy talked about this as tdd
jatter as just previously, but nonetheless I'll get your thoughts
around this, saying that confidence and the broader agri economy
and high are now the second highest level across the
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last decade. Monks farmers holding a positive outlook and the
agri economy higher commodity of prices were cited as a
major source of optimism, with increasing demand of fulling interest
rates being there as well. Farmers expectations of their own
farm business performance over the next twelve months also marginally
up as well. Dairy farmers, sheep and beef farmers are
more positive, more so than growers. Farmer investment intentions were
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largely unchanged. Oh, Dairy farmers have the strongest investment intent,
horticulturalists the weakest. And finally, concern over the recent increase
in the US terriorfraid of New Zealand goers of fifteen
percent is Max. What are your initial thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm glad you had to sat not me.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'll be honest. I have a bit of paper in
front of me where it's written down.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, very well done. Andy wants to one a way
to start on Monday. No, yeah, I'd agree with all that.
Marginally is probably the word everyone's. Everyone's definitely feeling more positive.
But I think people over the last few years just
sort of dug, get too heady yourselves and just sort of, yeah,
look to the future in just sort of baby steps,
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I suppose. But yeah, I mean the prices are at
all time high across.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
The board, which is great.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
We just yeah, you need those seasons and you need
their environment to sort of click the same to be
able to read those rewards. And yeah, sitting in September
when looking around we have to start raining again, makes
you wonder, makes things a wee bit tough to look
too forward. But yeah, I can see what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, how do you seem whare penning out over the
next not say, twelve months, but perhaps twelve to eighteen
months or is it too hard to ball, get crystal
ball games as such.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, I think you know, we're wearing for a good run.
But yeah, I think it's it's not getting too carried away.
Get some debt down instead of paying that high interest ball,
look at maybe more debt repayments and just sort of
set themselves up for a long term sort of goals
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really over then over the and new purchases are getting
too carried away. I'm pretty conservative generally.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, just finally, Indy, we've I've been talking to farmers
over the last week or so about little tracks of
the trade they've got for the busy September period. What's
something you do to deviate away from the norm to
keep yourself saying at this time of year, what's something
you can pass on for.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think it's just the same as everyone else, Like
you sort of just got to go through gut and
do a shuffle if you think you need a shuffle.
And we're not all sheepe, we're not all deal or
we've got to mix. So sometimes you're just punch and
feed off something to go and feed something else for
a while and then yeah, but yeah, you've got to
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get off farm and you've got to have a break
everythre and then just yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, the
team has never fun and sappen is it? Like, let's
be honest, So you just somehore. You get through the
other side and it's done and you start getting things
start warming up and things start coming right, and then yeah,
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and then it all starts all over again. So well
we'll get these week drives gone. And there's some works
names gone in the middle of the week and some
deer today, so you start lighting it load and and hey,
just keep boxing on, really, don't you can.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Andy Dennis, always appreciate your time on the Master. You
enjoy the Gold Coast of the South of afterday.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, well hopefully the gold casters turn it back on
as usual, but yeah, that is what it is. We'll
keep taking away.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Thanks Eddy, Andy Dennis failing at Melopori. Thanks of course
the Saturday and stock foods. Penny Simmons, MP from the Cargo,
she's up next, please we did it. Penny Simmons is
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MP from the Cargo as well as Minister for the
Environment amongst other portfolios, and joins us. Good afternoon, Penny.
How was your weekend?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah, good afternoon, Andy. Well it was mixed with that
terrible weather on Saturday, but at least it gave me
a day to get all my paperwork done from the
weekend papers. But very pleased to see a bit of
sunshine yesterday and today because it's been pretty bleak for
the farmers. I was in Wellington last week but was
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getting reports of how awful it was down here and
just a really tough week for the farmers. That really
test the resilience, you know, having to go out and
see lambs beaten into the mudge with that sort of
rain and wind. So the hope we get a few
good fine days this week to bring things right for them.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Penny, We'll start with this. Agribusiness is no longer part
of the curriculum and secondary schools. So what's the reasoning
behind this?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yees? So it's still going to be offered, it's not
part of the academic pathways.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
So what Erica.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Stamford, the Minister, is doing is having vocational pathways and
academic pathways. And so the vocational pathways are just taught
slightly different with skill standards, with industry programs, industry written,
industry developed programs that then pathway into what are called
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vocational programs, so trades and polytechnic qualifications. So it's rarely
to make sure that the schools are catering for those
that want to go down the university pathway. And remember
only about thirty percent or maximum of thirty percent of
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school leavers go into universities, so it's really important to
have a pathway that is still valuable to those that
are going either directly into work or into apprenticeships or
into other vocational pathways. And prolong time people have complained
that secondary school is all focused on those kids that
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are going to university. Well, this is to try and
give pathways that are valuable to both those that are
going to university about a third and those that aren't
a good two thirds.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So as are going to come down to organizations likes
of Beef and Lamb for example. To implement this program
is that what you say.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
No, they'll still be run through the schools, but they
will probably be linked up with a polytechncura, an industry provider,
and the courses will be developed by the industry skills
boards that I've set up as part of the vocational reform,
so industry skills board. So there's a food and fiber
Industry Skills Board. They will write the program for the schools,
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and then the schools they can deliver them themselves, but
more likely they will partner with someone else, a polytechnic
or industry provider, to do the actual delivery.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Now, the story that's come out of Canterbury over the
weekend about a farm ownd of having a hell of
an issue in battle with e Can getting a consent
for his farming operation. Are you seeing this around the country.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Look, yes, we are still seeing this and there's a
few examples coming out of each environment Canterbury as well
as out of Horizon. There are changes obviously coming with
the resource management at amendments or replacement that we're doing.
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I'd have to say not all the councils have grasped
that as well as they should have, and perhaps not
taking sensible approaches to the consenting. We're looking specifically at
a few consents that are being really i think looked
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at under the old regime, where there should be some
ability to roll over consent until the new resource management
comes out, new resource management acts come out. So there's
a few of us having a look at it myself,
Minister Hoggard, mister McLay. Tom McLay, We're all trying to
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work with the regional counsels and find a way forward
that isn't detrimental to the farmers because in some cases
they are being asked to look at either a short
term consent with fewer restrictions, or if they go for
a long term consent, and bearing in mind some are
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coming off twenty five year consents, they're being hit with
a whole heap of restrictions that quite frankly won't be
there once we've made the changes.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, certainly looks as though this is going to be
a case study for months for the months to come.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
A few positives going on down here in the South.
We talked about it, are we while ago Penny about
a targo and south and driving growth of the country.
But it looks as though Auckland's they need to pick
up the slack on the jam Orleies.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Look, it is very much a two speed economy at
the moment. The report out today had Bay of Plenty
at the top of the leaderboard for economic growth and
housing growth and employment growth on the back of a
good Kiwi fruit season. Southland was second and Lake's district third,
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Auckland and Wellington. Particularly Wellington was at the very bottom
of the regions. Just those big urban areas are not
coming back the way the rest of the country is.
And as a bit of a result of that, you'll
have seen the announcement in the weekend of a seventy
million dollar events large events fund that's to try and
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get some economic activity going in those large urban area
But it's definitely the regions that are pulling things through
at the moment. Canterbury's doing well as well, but certainly
South Island and regional New Zealand are doing really well
and good on Southland being right up there. We've either
been top or second for most of the last year.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
What can we expect to see down South from this
large events fund?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Look, I wouldn't think we'll see too much and ness
pets to need and get something for the stadium there.
It's definitely the very big events, the Lady Gagas and
Taylor Swifts and things like that that they will be targeting,
So I'm not expecting to see that down here in Nimbicargo. Unfortunately,
over the.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Weekend, Penny, it was almost like the Addis Horribillas for
the South and sporting fan. Which one hit home for
you more of the your Blacks record defeat to the
Box or the Stags yesterday limping to the finish line
against Counties.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Well, they were kind of on a par really, weren't
they both looked both looked strange familiar. Yeah, look at
the All Blacks one. I listened to Mills Muliana afterwards
where he said and he looked very, very upset about
it that it looked like they gave up at the
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finish and that's not a trait that we expect to
see in the All Blacks. So definitely you would say
that that was an awful thing to see in the
All Blacks. Look, I think Southland are just coming off
the back of that really big high of the Ramfilly shield. Look,
we've got to keep the face. We can't just be
fair with the friends and we've got to be fans
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that are with them through the thicken thin. So I
think they'll pick themselves up and do better for the
rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You're disappointing is a very subtle way of putting at
Penny Simmons. Always appreciate your time on the Muster. Thanks Andy,
Bye Penny Simmons, MP from the Cargo and Minister for
the Environment. Up next on the Muster Dean Rabbits Basic Glenham.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
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Speaker 1 (20:19):
Dean Ravage Farms at Glenham and joins us This afternoon
out in the trenches Dino Goodavo House.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Things good afternoon and yeah, much better today. The sun's
out in the warmer, so it's a real change from
the weekend. It was sinjured.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
How did you fare over the weekend?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ah, Yeah, it was a bit of a battle. Saturday
morning was probably some of the worst conditions we've seen
in a long long time. The wind and continuous hail
and storms that were coming through a part of the
country were quite damaging. But yeah, we broughd the elements
and just got out there and put a lot of
wood on, lamb covers on and yeah, I'd say those
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lambs that we recovered in exposed spots, we're still there
on Sunday morning and still here today, so that's I'll
take there as a small win.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I reckon that was the strongest win since probably about
twenty seventeen. We're up at the farm at Cattle Flat.
We had branches falling off in africarp was about to
fall on a shed. We had to move everything away
and it blew over power poles. It was hectic, and
Saturday was pretty much most of the closest we've been
to that weatherbed.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, exactly. There's fortunately as all the EU's just got
pushed over the edge of gullies and down into the
shaddo of spots. The sort of when was sort of
at the top of them, and you didn't really have
to go temp too close to them to see what
was going on. But yeah, you wouldn't have wanted to
go for much longer, otherwise the damage would have been
quite significant or suspect.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So how's your feed holding up? Speaking to Eddie, didis
before he had like a bit of sunshine, are you
the same one? Imagine years?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, pretty much more for morale than anything. Yeah, some
it's earlier Pedis that was pretty out on like they've
been lemming since the twentieth of August as pretty usual.
Those covers have sort of diminished and in falling away
pretty quickly. Where we're lending now still has piny of cover.
But again in a fortnight it's time. I suspect that
it will be disappeared. But hey, that's what you budget
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on your land. This time you're to sort of match
up with their past your growth curve, and yeah, we'll
just have to do what they can do. Really, But
at the moment, it's looking pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You were saying before as where you've got a few
more us on board this year, so where you're going
to have a few more dead lambs, but that's just
going to be part and parcel with your new numbers, right.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, exactly, That's one way to look at it. But
also I think you spend all day looking around and
looking at the problems and the negatives that are going
on in the Lemon Paddic, and it's quite easy to
get a bit concerned about things that you're dealing with.
But when you get a day like today and suns
out and you can take time to breathe a little
bit and look around and just take note of how
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many twins and all the twins are still running around together,
and all the lambs that are thriving, it's it's still
a pretty positive place to be. And so yeah, it's
just important to sometime remembered to take five and have
a good look around and look at all the positives
that are still still carried on through what's been a
little bit of a testing time.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So everything in general, though apart from that, it's just
it's just September.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I suppose, Yeah, it's just September. Every day the same.
We'll get through the end of the month and then
I supposing the Hobbits start cranking into it. But yeah,
it's just just a whole day just cruising around, really
two good podcasts on and bit, the music and the
headphones and the way we go. So yeah, we're just
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looking forward to it at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, that's the thing at this time of year. It's
about deviating away from the norm and just doing something,
whether it's having a bit of chocolate on the bike,
doing smoke coos, I don't know, an afternoon cup of
coffee or something, just to keep the troops up and
the morale is sus not so much morale. We're just
keeping everybody on the same page at this time of yeah,
because it is a demanding time for sure, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And we had the bunch on us that the Royal
Support Trust running Glenham on Friday and it was really
well supported. It was a pretty people there, heaps of
gumbas at the door. So you just think that all
the people that are made that possible, all the sponsors
and and that was great, great feed and coffee and yeah,
it's just good to chew the fact with everybody that
was there it was on the same boat. So I'm
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pretty sure that there's still a few of those against
going in South Totigo and ed at the moment. So
you get along to them and just gets your farm
for half an hour. If anything to have you answered
there was. I know that the community really appreciated it,
and I'm sure everybody across the province that a teended
one did also.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, shout out to the South and Rural Support Trust.
They do some fantastic work. And if we learned one
thing last Spring Day and is that there are avenues
out there for people that are struggling.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, exactly as Yeah, just encourage people here to sing
out and if they get five minutes to get our farm,
just take the chindy and don't you feel hell of
what better because of it?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, do you find yourself in that mindset that you're
just thinking this job needs to be done, that job
needs to be done, and especially in the w Keynes
in September, you just don't take a bit of time
out when you think you probably should.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, I'm probably main wasted to today. I've got a
pretty strong conscience that I feel as I've got to
be doing something even though I'm probably not achieving anything. Yeah,
it's just one of those things. It's just the mindset
you get yourself into and probably no, should shouldn't be
doing anything, but I just feel as I need to be.
But yeah, you sort of cruise around thinking, at least
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I have got the All Blacks to watch tonight when
they get in, all the Stags to watch later on
the staff phone. But gee, it didn't really improve that
morel or feeling that much, did it?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
The All Blacks? Where did it go so wrong? Is
it a coaching is shoe or just a case of
we don't have the kettle?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Oh gee, I don't know if we've got the kettle
at the moment when you when you look at the
herd that the spring boxs are operating. Yeah, gee, they
were impressive on Saturday night. They really were and I
think all Blecks tried to change the game plan up
at times, playing with a bit more depth than that.
But the speed of the defensive line in the spring
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box is something to be a mind really and then
just brute physicality and the end was just something to yeah,
be ay but jealous of. At the moment.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It doesn't matter what you think of resci Arrastmus, but
the way that he has connected this country and when
you hear him speaking in the media, we can't actually
comprehend what life is like over there. Totally different scenario.
We know they're very passionate about the Aerugby for sure,
but he's managed to get all these different cultures together
and get them into the Springbok environment and far out
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man that first vive that side step, that's like Benji
Marshall two thousand and five but faster.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, you know, he's probably galvanized the country around the
team of that. And also he said he's got forty
five players that he could start. Yeah match, I mean
developing depth on that. That's pretty ominous for the next
world couple ready because it's going to come around quickly.
But when you're developing that sort of depth and that
sort of quality.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, gee out people harp back to South Africa losing
fifty seven milts at Albany to the ABS in twenty seventeen.
Two years later they lifted the William Webellers Trophy. So
you've got to try and find a silver lining in
the sunway right, But it's bloody hard to do.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
It is hard to do. And yeah, so yeah we'll
just said back and hopefully and hold onto the bit
as low otherwise that some real questions asked one.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
There and that Australia Argentina game for nothing else. Listening
to that crowd in the last fifteen minutes chanting wallerbes,
I've never heard a crowd like at forty thousand. They're
watching that game. The Argentina is deserved to win it.
The refereeing was dodgy to say the least with some
of those calls. But it's good to see Aussie rugby
back on the radar as well.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, exactly, And I think it's great for the game,
especially in the Southern Hemisphere game where you've got to
look at the Try Nations or the Grugby Championship whatever
they call it these days, table and all teams have
lost too one two, and this sets it up beautifully
for the last last round, doesn't it in a fortnight's time.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Good on your deam, we'll let you carry. Aren't always
good to chat? No thanks any cheers, Dean Ravage of Glennon.
Before the end of the year, Paul Ellison, we're going
to digest the rugby weekend and a bit more depth.
But up next way to Garston we catch up with
Tom O'Brien. The tones of the late Dolores so red
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and of the cran breeze. This is the muster away
up or down depending on where you are to Garston.
Tom O'Brien, we catch up this afternoon, Tom god Andy,
how's everything up there in northern Northern Southland?
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Oh, nor Northern south It's pretty good. Yeah, a little
bit of a breeze today, a little bit of a northerly,
beautiful Sunday morning, but it's sort of clouded over a
bit and it's starting to cool down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But yeah, did the snow come down very low on
the hills as such?
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Not really, not as much as what they were sort
of forecasting. It was more of a westerly flow, so
it kind of went up the mountains more so we
had a little bit, but it didn't last long.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
What would you ever drainfall be out there? You reckon Tom.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Probably up around six hundred.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Six hundred miles. Yeah, well I made as cheepers. There's
not that I suppose central Attago climate.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Yeah that's right, yep, yeah, yeah, No, we don't get
a lot really in the big scheme of things.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, that's for sure. Hey, last time we were speaking
to you were flat out fixing sleepers involved the Kings
and flyer. Did you manage to get that all that
all that sorted?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Oh we didn't have anything, got it all sorted? But yeah,
I was back a couple of days ago doing more
track work. Digger was putting in new sleepers, just shimmying
the old ones out and then shimmying the new ones in.
And then we just go along with the drills and
pre drill the holes and then just put in the
put in the spot, put in the screws just with
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a dance, just a petrol dance screwed o in and
then we check the gauge three foot six or one
thousand and seven eight nine it is, And yeah, I
mean just tie the track down.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So how do you dictate which sleepers go and which stay?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Basically when you walk along and you kick them and
stand on them, and the and the bolts are a
bit loose or the sleepers are a bit rotten. You know,
you just got to get a put of dazzle and
just mark on the on the sleeper the dazzle and say,
well that's that's a rotten one, or you know that
needs replacing. Yeah, it's not rocket tights.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
So how long does it take to do the whole
track because it's not exactly half a k or anything.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm doing this work
for my sins, so it must have been a bad
person some stage, or maybe I still am. I don't
know quite figured.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That out neither time.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
No, we're replacing three hundred sleepers, but there's twenty two
thousand sleepers in total in the whole track, so so
it's not the sort of thing that you can that
you can do in one hit. And yeah, sleepers are
being replaced, you know, every couple of years. It's just
an ongoing basis. But they some of those sleepers will
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be eighteen years old. Yeah, and they used to be
Jara Hardwood whereas nowadays they can be anything from macrocarpet
to a pine so the water is a little bit softer.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It was interesting just down by wipeer he here the
other day I seen two diggers working on Saturday morning
doing exactly what you were, but probably on a bigger scale.
And yeah, I thought he was certaineously thinking, here's Thomas
O'Brien actually gone a bit higher in his contract.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Perhaps, Ah yeah, Look, well, you know, if I cast
my memory back, it doesn't seem that long ago that
we were actually just doing everything with hand tools, like
you know, te Spanner's two guys on one Spanner Spanner
putting it on the screws and i'mdoing the screws. And
then we still use it's like a massive crowbar to
take the dogs spikes out the ones of the spikes.
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So yeah, and we used to boil a billy on
the side of the track. And there was another guy
I remember. We used to work with this old guy, Clive,
who was like an old railway stall walk And on
the first day that we started work, and we were
getting the jigger with the little trolleys and the ballast
to put under the sleepers. Once we'd replace them. This
old boy goes, oh, what's your name? And I said, oh,
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Tom said to my mate, Reagan, what's your name? And
he goes Reagan and he goes Reagan, No, that's not
your name. Your name is Jerry. Tom and Jerry pretty
well set the tone for the rest of the rest
of the time. So but yeah, it was I mean
a good day was eleven sleepers in a day. That
was a really good day by hand. Yeah, it was
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pretty arduous.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, it was heart out and let's face it, be
a job that would suck if you didn't get on
with the personnel around you.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Oh correct, Yeah, no, you've definitely you've got to maintain
a bit of a sense of humor and and yeah, yeah,
you just need to Yeah, and it's and it's hard work.
You know, you need to take breaks, and it's quite
hard on the back and stuff. So so yeah, yeah,
but you know, it's part of the history and part
of keeping things on track, so to speak. And I
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guess it's the things behind the scenes that people don't
know about.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
At the moment as well. It sounds like you're helping
your mate organize for moving a house. Now we've all
seen that programund Telly about moving houses. For example, the Presbyterian,
the Presbyterian Church from Lumson went to Arrowtown and getting
it around the Devil staircase must have been a hell
of a nightmare. It can't be an easy exercise. How
much planning goes into something like that.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Well, we're doing that right now. So as you say, yeah,
there's a mate who's getting house built in the cargo
and the builders up here at the moment, and we're
just going through the logistics of how we're actually going
to get the house up here, you know, past power poles,
past over hanging branches and trees. So yeah, we've got
the measuring tape out and we're doing this and doing
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that and figgering out, you know, which areas we're going
to have to cut. And then we're on site just
like how we're going to orientate the house sort of
in the north facing direction, and yeah, looking at what
sort of piles are going to go in, and yeah,
looking at geochech reports and engineers reports, and yeah, just
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going through that process. But my mate he's down here
at the moment where we're having a look at that
and hopefully all things things going to plan. It would
be really nice to see this house up here before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Question. You say the house is being built in in
the cargo and transported logistically, would it have been easier
to have built the house where it's going.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Probably not because we don't as you know, we don't
really have a lot of services where we are. Yeah,
I mean, I know what you're saying, but yeah, we
just did. He worked it out and he said, no,
it's much easier and much faster and more efficient to
actually get the thing built on site because this company,
that's what they do. You know, they just specialize in
building on site and then transporting and quite a few
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people are doing that nowadays. So yeah, and it's you know,
it's quite hard to get to get builders where we are,
and you know everyone's busy and you know, getting supplies
and that, so they just no better off to do
it in the yard and numbers. So that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Get some of these Subby's are living in Kingston, come
and do a cashy for you at night.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Oh look, they're so busy out there. There's there's there's
loads of them.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Actually Kingstons That Kingston is hectic these days. When you
go in there.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Sure is that? Sure is? Hey the boss? The boss
is saying, hey, which way he's got a question? You
want to know which way? And authors uh that No,
he's losing elevation. He needs to know which direction he's going.
Now I've got the story of my life.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mate. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
No, Look, we're super busy mate. You know there's there's
subbies who are looking for accommodation and the Kingston Gasson
Ethyl area we're obviously going to be having a lot
of builders coming into the area at some stage to
all those houses for those sections. So yeah, it's looking
like it will probably only go one way, so we
need to be able to do for those people, right
(36:09):
So yeah, yeah, and that code goes back into the
realms of you know, social planning and what you can
and can't do within the Southland district on the border.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Right out of time, we'll let you back on the tools.
You better find out where north has always good to
catch up.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Sounds good, matey.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Tim O'Brien based up a Garston Up next, Paul Ellison,
Welcome back to the muster. Before we wrap up, Paul Ellison,
the voice of a Tago rugby. You can hear his
commentaries on Goldsport joins us. The song is Dreams by
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the Cranberryes Paul Welcome to the muster, by the way.
Unfortunately it wasn't a dream over the weekend for Southlanders
and All Blacks fans. It was just one big nightmare.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
It wasn't night me. In fact, it was two big nightmares,
to be fair, one for the All Blacks and then
one for the Southron Stags. I was driving back from
Dunedin listening to the match on the radio with Elliott's
miss commentary after commentating on the Otago Taranake match, and
I drove up the driveway and my wife greeted me
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quite excitedly said, look, it's a really good game. We
still got twenty minutes to go. The score was seventeen
to ten at that stage. I wish I had driven
a hell of a lot slower and missed the last
twenty minutes, to be fair, because it really just was
one way traffic by the South Africans and the All
Blacks looked like they had no answers in that final
stages of that match. And then I tuned into the
Stags yesterday afternoon after being at the Otago Rugby Club's
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Life Members function and I saw another capitulation there. I
wasn't sure what the goal was when they changed the jerseys.
But it's been a two week hangover now for the
Stags with fifty four fourteen sixty four ten and the
wheels have fallen off after what was a promising start
to the bun MPC. So a bit of a bleak
weekend in the Deep South, although Otago managed to get
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a little bit of bright sunshine in a very windy
afternoon in Dunedin and keep their quarter final hopes alive.
But the Stags have got a bit of work to
do and you just wonder whether that is a bit
of post shield blues.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Now, as far as they All Blacks, what was the
difference from last week? I mean they held onto that
record at Eden Park. Did too much time and energy
go into that?
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Perhaps a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I think the rain favored the All Blacks eden Park.
The South Africans made a lot of uncharacteristic errors. South
Africa made widespread changes to their team, so they come
with a refreshed lineup. The All Blacks would have been
a little bit tight and beat up. They pretty much
stayed with the same same team with just a little
bit of small tinkering with Carter coming in and Noah
Hope them coming in, but not too many changes, whereas
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the spring Box made six changes to their back lines,
two or three to their forwards and had a real
refreshed look to them. They took them attacking mindset into
the game, and I think they brought a lot of confidence.
You just have to question maybe the staleness of the
All Blacks. I looked at them in Argentina. In that
match in Cordova, there was fifty three players and officials
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on the field during their warm up, which lasted for
about an hour, and that meant that there was the
thirty six players, plus a huge big coaching staff and
fitness advisors and probably strength and conditioning trainers and the like.
I look across on the other side of the pitch
and the spring the Argentinians had thirty five and that
was the players the reserves who were playing in the
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defensive screens, and they only have four coaches in total
in Argentina. I just wonder, with this army players and
officials that the All Blacks have, whether there's too many
voices going into the players heads and they just don't
quite have the clear mindset. I think they got outplayed
by South Africa on the field, wonder they also got
outplayed by the offterfield.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Is this going to put more doubts around Scott Robinson
these only two years then or was it really to tail?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Probably a little bit early. Same sort of pressure came
on in Foster midway through his tenure when he had
a shocker when you know, lost to Ireland for the
first time ever in Dunedin, lost to Argentina and Newcastle
and lost a series for Ireland as well. Made some
changes to the coaching make up at that stage, with
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Plum Tree and Brad Moer getting sort of exited out
and Jason Ryan coming in along with Joe Smith, and
that sort of seemed to make a bit of a
difference leading up to the World Cup. Still early days
for Scott Robertson, but the All Blacks are under pressure.
I think they'll wait and see until after the Rugby
Championship is over. We've got a chance to redeem ourselves
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with two matches against Australia, one at Eden Park and
one in Perth. But we know that Australia are up
and down as well. You look at this competition and
you see that no country has won two Test matches
in their own country and this championship Argentina win and loss,
South Africa winne against Australia, New Zealand the same against
South Africa and New Zealand, Argentina against Australia and Australia.
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So the teams have got no continuity and no consistency
in this competition. And so it's not just the All Blacks.
I mean, yes it was a record breaking loss, but
the fact that teams are struggling to put two consecutive
performances together must be a bit of a concern across
or is this just a reflection of how even rugby
is now in world circles.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Well, that's the argument. I suppose teams have caught up
and where New Zealand were.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Yeah, I thought, think we've got the players, but they're
not gelling and that's you know, they sort of flattered
to the seed to some degree. They look good at times.
We thought last week after Eden Park, hey they might
get some momentum. The same players rewarded and saying hey
go again next week. Rassi Erasma said no, no, we're
going to build depth in our squad. We're going to
run a whole new team out pretty much, and that
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was always his plan and you could see at the
back end of the game. That's where the All Blacks
have been struggling the last twenty minutes under Scott Robertson's watch.
And I'm not certainly saying it's Scott Robertson's fault, but
they seem to be struggling in the last twenty minutes.
We saw last year against Australia in Australia the All
Backs had a big lead and almost lost that in
the last in the last twenty minutes in the last
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second half, and then the same thing we saw on
Saturday night as well, when the points start to mount
and they come under pressure, you All Blacks seem to
just not finish well. Sometimes you say it's the bench,
but you know when you bring on a decent bench
with Fabian Holland has been one of the standouts this year.
To Mighty Williams came on, but I go back to
the lots of Cody Taylor and I just feel that,
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you know, he's such a such a key member of
that side. You've got probably the best four props to
be able to play with the group Newal Lomacs and Williams.
I say, I don't think there'll be any changes there.
I think you've probably got your three best locks in
terms of Fabian Holland to pou Bai and Scott Barrett.
Is Scott Barrett the captain? Well, he's not a lone
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man out there? Yeah, I mean, yes, he does make
the calls as the captain, but he's got a leadership
team around them. And have we got the best number
ten that can run a game? I'm just not sure
whether Boden Barrett as much of an outstanding player that
he has been over the years, is the answer.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
I think he's possibly slightly past his prime. But who
do you put in there? That's the question? You know,
do you put Damian McKenzie back there, who struggled sometimes
in the number ten jersey in All Blacks and type
test matches? So you know, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
I haven't got the answer. We'll wait and see two
weeks time. Can the All Blacks turn things around at
Eden Park? Well, they're going back to their favorite venue,
so maybe you'd say they've got a chance after the
Australians also looking their wounds after a loss to Argentina
and Tidney.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Paul Ellison always appreciate your time on the Master great analysis.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Yeah, make sure you get your stag's jersey on. Don't
give up on them just yet. But they've got some
work to do, and some of the all blacks nice.
That's said Andy, laugh out loud with ad proud, because
life on the land can be a laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
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has been the muster on Hokano. He cheers to Peter's genetics.
Like Paul Allison said, keep the faith. You kind of
got to right. See you tomorrow one o'clock
Good afternoon and welcome to the muster on Hakanui. Andy
Mueler here until two o'clock. Thanks for Peter's Tooni Nicks,
thanks for your company after a hectic weekend weather and
sporting wise, the Ill Blacks well we'll talk about this
later on in the Yell with Paul Ellison. What the
hell went on? There was not flash, especially in that
second half, but especially with the South and Stags yesterday
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getting pulverized by Counties. You get argue it's a case
of one step forward, two steps back with the Stags.
One stag forward, two stags back. I don't know. They
just didn't front up unfortunately against Counties. And this is
the county side that hasn't been playing well. They had
to bust down from christ Church on Saturday due to
the weather conditions. So yeah, I know there's something to
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ponder on a Monday afternoon. Really like the music anyway,
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dot MZ and we do have some sunshine over mainstream
and it makes a big difference after what we've had
over the last couple of days. Although this afternoon seas
showers forming with raeizing your westerlies and fifteen Tuesday cloudy,
we're breezing your westerlies twelve and seventeen. That's not bad.
Wednesday rain once again, were breezing your westerly seven and fourteen.
Thursday rain, we're breezy to brisk westerlies one and nine.
(01:41):
And Friday fartley cloudy with like northwesterlies five and thirteen.
That is what you call a pick and mix of weather.
So temperatures to hand Clinton seven point three, Herriot's six
point one, Northern South and seven point tu, Riverton nine,
tian Now seven point eight, Tinorawa eight wind and six
point five and Woodlands six point nine, with Andy Dennis
starting us off farming in on the Gold Coast of
(02:03):
a South Island, which is man of Pori MP. Penny
Simmons is on the program as well, followed by Dean
Rabbits who farms at Glenham see how things are going.
As he's getting into the real clutched part of the
lemming season. Tom O'Brien, Garston business owner. Last time we
caught up with Tom, he was busy fixing sleepers on
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the railway line between Kings and Fearlight. We'll see how
that's been going for him. And Paul Ellison, rugby commentator
for a Tiger. You can hear his commentaries and Gold
Sport talking about the All Blacks and what actually went
on over the weekend and what does it mean going forward?
And he touches on the NPC as well, because a
tiger's winning, right, so how can you not? Anyway, we'll
start the hour and next to Eddie Dennis. This is
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the muster until two o'clock thanks to Pettit Genetics. Andy
Dennis is on the Gold Coast of a South Island
which is beautiful. Men of Pori and joins us a
safternoon in the Sergean Dan Farming round Up. Thanks for
Sergeantdan stock foods hearing. Good afternoon, Andy, How was the
Gold Coast to the south today?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
God, it's pretty wet. Yeah, we've had a We've had
a typical September so far, a lot of rain, a
lot of northwast rain. Sort of warm enough but yeah,
it's uh, yeah, we're we're pretty wet now on foot
and sort of the next sort of ten days, if
we don't start getting some sun, we're going to get
right on top of covers if we're not already there there.
(03:27):
So yeah, it's about where we're at in the Gold Coast.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So as far as these wines you were saying before,
there's more northwesterly, so it hasn't been as has cold.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Well, it's been sort of a yeah, we've had a
lot of rain. There's been snow on the tops every night,
so it's definitely cold ish, but it hasn't been from
the south like a lot of the rest of the South.
And we getting a lot of subtheries, haven't they, So
you know, they can they can sort of have a
hide the throat and lambs, whereas we just sort of
tick around. And yeah, it's not as last year. Last
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year was Yeah, that was was that two hundred and
fifty miles for the first twelve days of September whatever,
That was terrible. But yeah, we're gonna need some sun
so in otherwise for we just back on track. But yeah,
I mean it's been a it's been a squeeze to
get through the season from that dry and you know,
to get your crops the last and never class we
should have probably you know, you're pretty much expecting they
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have a little bit of feet to set stock on
and there it's there. It's on track to be the
typical September. See and September.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, so cutas and the likes. You've had a bit
of fade there, but just disappear because of these cool
the temperatures I suppose.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, no, we're just caught up with it there. So yeah,
bring on some sun. But yeah, we're getting we're sort
of getting a fine break even here and then so
yeah hopefully, well, well you know what it's like. You
just get through September here, you can come out the
other side either and it's one way or the other.
Sort of sets up the rest of the season, doesn't it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So hell's lambing being for you.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So far, you're not too bad. I've had a higher
rate of abortion than the older use. Yeah, i'd say
it's probably double where we usually are. So yeah, I'll
sort of have some shaded out some wheat drives the
last couple of days, so we'll put them on a
truck and make them well, weave it, just make things go.
But yeah, oh there seems to be a few leaves around. Yeah,
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it'll be around here, just like it's again, it wasn't great,
So you can't expect lemon to be a whole lot
better either.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Are you intensive on the leaming bait?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Not really? Well, not not as probably, No, No, I
could be more intensive. But do you start running at
a path, don't you after a while? And yeah, the
subtexts that's sort of done. And now we sort of
start on the romney. So they're still two theirs and
cheap the lambs. So I used to do quite a
lot of mother ups and sort of make everyone count.
(05:52):
But it creates a lot of work. And I sort
of started that way. And then yeah, we're all that
wet weather and you could just see that you can
go and put yours and lambs and boxes and everything else,
and I just pick up bugs. So I, uh, is
about the fifth I gave up mother ups and that
might be me for the rest of my life. Actually,
it's here I'm feeling at the moment, and all said
(06:15):
and done, it's it's yeah, it saves a lot of
work because you've got to get grained fit out and
you've got to keep feeding hinds, and you know there's
other stuff to be done on farms, so yeah, you
can only do what you can do some days.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So any of you without a lamb and she's down the.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Road, yes, yep, yep, see will be this year. Yeah,
so that's just here it goes. Usually once the romneys
get going, you get a better survivability. So they are
all the younger sheeps, so it seems to go better.
But yeah, I can't do anything. If you've you know,
you've had abortion earlier on in older US is you
can't do anything about that. So that's just here it goes.
(06:51):
It's farming. Yeah, so move on.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And I understand you've got a slinky run hitting up
there too.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, we have got something run for the first time.
I can't remember. It would be five or six years ago.
I reckon it stopped up here. So yeah, follow ben Bow,
he's from Winton, he's running it. So yeah. I haven't
didn't even ask him about price. I just thought it
was great to get it gone again. So yeah, out
they go, not down a hole.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, well you might end up for a little bit
of a check for the pub.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Later on, Well, if you don't know, everything's positive, isn't it?
You know, everything's a surprise.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And the reest thing as well. Now, the Rabobank Farmer
Confidence Survey came out recently and for the fourth consecutive quarters,
saying that confidence is coming back into the industry just
quickly as well. Jamie McCoy talked about this as tdd
jatter as just previously, but nonetheless I'll get your thoughts
around this, saying that confidence and the broader agri economy
and high are now the second highest level across the
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last decade. Monks farmers holding a positive outlook and the
agri economy higher commodity of prices were cited as a
major source of optimism, with increasing demand of fulling interest
rates being there as well. Farmers expectations of their own
farm business performance over the next twelve months also marginally
up as well. Dairy farmers, sheep and beef farmers are
more positive, more so than growers. Farmer investment intentions were
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largely unchanged. Oh, Dairy farmers have the strongest investment intent,
horticulturalists the weakest. And finally, concern over the recent increase
in the US terriorfraid of New Zealand goers of fifteen
percent is Max. What are your initial thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'm glad you had to sat not me.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I'll be honest. I have a bit of paper in
front of me where it's written down.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Well, very well done. Andy wants to one a way
to start on Monday. No, yeah, I'd agree with all that.
Marginally is probably the word everyone's. Everyone's definitely feeling more positive.
But I think people over the last few years just
sort of dug, get too heady yourselves and just sort of, yeah,
look to the future in just sort of baby steps,
(08:59):
I suppose. But yeah, I mean the prices are at
all time high across.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
The board, which is great.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
We just yeah, you need those seasons and you need
their environment to sort of click the same to be
able to read those rewards. And yeah, sitting in September
when looking around we have to start raining again, makes
you wonder, makes things a wee bit tough to look
too forward. But yeah, I can see what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, how do you seem whare penning out over the
next not say, twelve months, but perhaps twelve to eighteen
months or is it too hard to ball, get crystal
ball games as such.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
No, I think you know, we're wearing for a good run.
But yeah, I think it's it's not getting too carried away.
Get some debt down instead of paying that high interest ball,
look at maybe more debt repayments and just sort of
set themselves up for a long term sort of goals
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really over then over the and new purchases are getting
too carried away. I'm pretty conservative generally.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, just finally, Indy, we've I've been talking to farmers
over the last week or so about little tracks of
the trade they've got for the busy September period. What's
something you do to deviate away from the norm to
keep yourself saying at this time of year, what's something
you can pass on for.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I think it's just the same as everyone else, Like
you sort of just got to go through gut and
do a shuffle if you think you need a shuffle.
And we're not all sheepe, we're not all deal or
we've got to mix. So sometimes you're just punch and
feed off something to go and feed something else for
a while and then yeah, but yeah, you've got to
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get off farm and you've got to have a break
everythre and then just yeah, whatever it is. Yeah, the
team has never fun and sappen is it? Like, let's
be honest, So you just somehore. You get through the
other side and it's done and you start getting things
start warming up and things start coming right, and then yeah,
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and then it all starts all over again. So well
we'll get these week drives gone. And there's some works
names gone in the middle of the week and some
deer today, so you start lighting it load and and hey,
just keep boxing on, really, don't you can.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Andy Dennis, always appreciate your time on the Master. You
enjoy the Gold Coast of the South of afterday.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, well hopefully the gold casters turn it back on
as usual, but yeah, that is what it is. We'll
keep taking away.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Thanks Eddy, Andy Dennis failing at Melopori. Thanks of course
the Saturday and stock foods. Penny Simmons, MP from the Cargo,
she's up next, please we did it. Penny Simmons is
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MP from the Cargo as well as Minister for the
Environment amongst other portfolios, and joins us. Good afternoon, Penny.
How was your weekend?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Yeah, good afternoon, Andy. Well it was mixed with that
terrible weather on Saturday, but at least it gave me
a day to get all my paperwork done from the
weekend papers. But very pleased to see a bit of
sunshine yesterday and today because it's been pretty bleak for
the farmers. I was in Wellington last week but was
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getting reports of how awful it was down here and
just a really tough week for the farmers. That really
test the resilience, you know, having to go out and
see lambs beaten into the mudge with that sort of
rain and wind. So the hope we get a few
good fine days this week to bring things right for them.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Penny, We'll start with this. Agribusiness is no longer part
of the curriculum and secondary schools. So what's the reasoning
behind this?
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Yees? So it's still going to be offered, it's not
part of the academic pathways.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
So what Erica.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Stamford, the Minister, is doing is having vocational pathways and
academic pathways. And so the vocational pathways are just taught
slightly different with skill standards, with industry programs, industry written,
industry developed programs that then pathway into what are called
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vocational programs, so trades and polytechnic qualifications. So it's rarely
to make sure that the schools are catering for those
that want to go down the university pathway. And remember
only about thirty percent or maximum of thirty percent of
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school leavers go into universities, so it's really important to
have a pathway that is still valuable to those that
are going either directly into work or into apprenticeships or
into other vocational pathways. And prolong time people have complained
that secondary school is all focused on those kids that
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are going to university. Well, this is to try and
give pathways that are valuable to both those that are
going to university about a third and those that aren't
a good two thirds.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So as are going to come down to organizations likes
of Beef and Lamb for example. To implement this program
is that what you say.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
No, they'll still be run through the schools, but they
will probably be linked up with a polytechncura, an industry provider,
and the courses will be developed by the industry skills
boards that I've set up as part of the vocational reform,
so industry skills board. So there's a food and fiber
Industry Skills Board. They will write the program for the schools,
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and then the schools they can deliver them themselves, but
more likely they will partner with someone else, a polytechnic
or industry provider, to do the actual delivery.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Now, the story that's come out of Canterbury over the
weekend about a farm ownd of having a hell of
an issue in battle with e Can getting a consent
for his farming operation. Are you seeing this around the country.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Look, yes, we are still seeing this and there's a
few examples coming out of each environment Canterbury as well
as out of Horizon. There are changes obviously coming with
the resource management at amendments or replacement that we're doing.
(15:35):
I'd have to say not all the councils have grasped
that as well as they should have, and perhaps not
taking sensible approaches to the consenting. We're looking specifically at
a few consents that are being really i think looked
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at under the old regime, where there should be some
ability to roll over consent until the new resource management
comes out, new resource management acts come out. So there's
a few of us having a look at it myself,
Minister Hoggard, mister McLay. Tom McLay, We're all trying to
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work with the regional counsels and find a way forward
that isn't detrimental to the farmers because in some cases
they are being asked to look at either a short
term consent with fewer restrictions, or if they go for
a long term consent, and bearing in mind some are
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coming off twenty five year consents, they're being hit with
a whole heap of restrictions that quite frankly won't be
there once we've made the changes.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, certainly looks as though this is going to be
a case study for months for the months to come.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
A few positives going on down here in the South.
We talked about it, are we while ago Penny about
a targo and south and driving growth of the country.
But it looks as though Auckland's they need to pick
up the slack on the jam Orleies.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Look, it is very much a two speed economy at
the moment. The report out today had Bay of Plenty
at the top of the leaderboard for economic growth and
housing growth and employment growth on the back of a
good Kiwi fruit season. Southland was second and Lake's district third,
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Auckland and Wellington. Particularly Wellington was at the very bottom
of the regions. Just those big urban areas are not
coming back the way the rest of the country is.
And as a bit of a result of that, you'll
have seen the announcement in the weekend of a seventy
million dollar events large events fund that's to try and
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get some economic activity going in those large urban area
But it's definitely the regions that are pulling things through
at the moment. Canterbury's doing well as well, but certainly
South Island and regional New Zealand are doing really well
and good on Southland being right up there. We've either
been top or second for most of the last year.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
What can we expect to see down South from this
large events fund?
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Look, I wouldn't think we'll see too much and ness
pets to need and get something for the stadium there.
It's definitely the very big events, the Lady Gagas and
Taylor Swifts and things like that that they will be targeting,
So I'm not expecting to see that down here in Nimbicargo. Unfortunately,
over the.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Weekend, Penny, it was almost like the Addis Horribillas for
the South and sporting fan. Which one hit home for
you more of the your Blacks record defeat to the
Box or the Stags yesterday limping to the finish line
against Counties.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Well, they were kind of on a par really, weren't
they both looked both looked strange familiar. Yeah, look at
the All Blacks one. I listened to Mills Muliana afterwards
where he said and he looked very, very upset about
it that it looked like they gave up at the
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finish and that's not a trait that we expect to
see in the All Blacks. So definitely you would say
that that was an awful thing to see in the
All Blacks. Look, I think Southland are just coming off
the back of that really big high of the Ramfilly shield. Look,
we've got to keep the face. We can't just be
fair with the friends and we've got to be fans
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that are with them through the thicken thin. So I
think they'll pick themselves up and do better for the
rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
You're disappointing is a very subtle way of putting at
Penny Simmons. Always appreciate your time on the Muster. Thanks Andy,
Bye Penny Simmons, MP from the Cargo and Minister for
the Environment. Up next on the Muster Dean Rabbits Basic Glenham.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
The Musters on the Farm brought to you by Southland
District Council working together for a better Southland.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Dean Ravage Farms at Glenham and joins us This afternoon
out in the trenches Dino Goodavo House.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Things good afternoon and yeah, much better today. The sun's
out in the warmer, so it's a real change from
the weekend. It was sinjured.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
How did you fare over the weekend?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ah, Yeah, it was a bit of a battle. Saturday
morning was probably some of the worst conditions we've seen
in a long long time. The wind and continuous hail
and storms that were coming through a part of the
country were quite damaging. But yeah, we broughd the elements
and just got out there and put a lot of
wood on, lamb covers on and yeah, I'd say those
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lambs that we recovered in exposed spots, we're still there
on Sunday morning and still here today, so that's I'll
take there as a small win.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
I reckon that was the strongest win since probably about
twenty seventeen. We're up at the farm at Cattle Flat.
We had branches falling off in africarp was about to
fall on a shed. We had to move everything away
and it blew over power poles. It was hectic, and
Saturday was pretty much most of the closest we've been
to that weatherbed.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, exactly. There's fortunately as all the EU's just got
pushed over the edge of gullies and down into the
shaddo of spots. The sort of when was sort of
at the top of them, and you didn't really have
to go temp too close to them to see what
was going on. But yeah, you wouldn't have wanted to
go for much longer, otherwise the damage would have been
quite significant or suspect.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So how's your feed holding up? Speaking to Eddie, didis
before he had like a bit of sunshine, are you
the same one? Imagine years?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, pretty much more for morale than anything. Yeah, some
it's earlier Pedis that was pretty out on like they've
been lemming since the twentieth of August as pretty usual.
Those covers have sort of diminished and in falling away
pretty quickly. Where we're lending now still has piny of cover.
But again in a fortnight it's time. I suspect that
it will be disappeared. But hey, that's what you budget
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on your land. This time you're to sort of match
up with their past your growth curve, and yeah, we'll
just have to do what they can do. Really, But
at the moment, it's looking pretty pretty good.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
You were saying before as where you've got a few
more us on board this year, so where you're going
to have a few more dead lambs, but that's just
going to be part and parcel with your new numbers, right.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, exactly, That's one way to look at it. But
also I think you spend all day looking around and
looking at the problems and the negatives that are going
on in the Lemon Paddic, and it's quite easy to
get a bit concerned about things that you're dealing with.
But when you get a day like today and suns
out and you can take time to breathe a little
bit and look around and just take note of how
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many twins and all the twins are still running around together,
and all the lambs that are thriving, it's it's still
a pretty positive place to be. And so yeah, it's
just important to sometime remembered to take five and have
a good look around and look at all the positives
that are still still carried on through what's been a
little bit of a testing time.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So everything in general, though apart from that, it's just
it's just September.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I suppose, Yeah, it's just September. Every day the same.
We'll get through the end of the month and then
I supposing the Hobbits start cranking into it. But yeah,
it's just just a whole day just cruising around, really
two good podcasts on and bit, the music and the
headphones and the way we go. So yeah, we're just
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looking forward to it at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, that's the thing at this time of year. It's
about deviating away from the norm and just doing something,
whether it's having a bit of chocolate on the bike,
doing smoke coos, I don't know, an afternoon cup of
coffee or something, just to keep the troops up and
the morale is sus not so much morale. We're just
keeping everybody on the same page at this time of yeah,
because it is a demanding time for sure, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And we had the bunch on us that the Royal
Support Trust running Glenham on Friday and it was really
well supported. It was a pretty people there, heaps of
gumbas at the door. So you just think that all
the people that are made that possible, all the sponsors
and and that was great, great feed and coffee and yeah,
it's just good to chew the fact with everybody that
was there it was on the same boat. So I'm
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pretty sure that there's still a few of those against
going in South Totigo and ed at the moment. So
you get along to them and just gets your farm
for half an hour. If anything to have you answered
there was. I know that the community really appreciated it,
and I'm sure everybody across the province that a teended
one did also.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, shout out to the South and Rural Support Trust.
They do some fantastic work. And if we learned one
thing last Spring Day and is that there are avenues
out there for people that are struggling.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, exactly as Yeah, just encourage people here to sing
out and if they get five minutes to get our farm,
just take the chindy and don't you feel hell of
what better because of it?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, do you find yourself in that mindset that you're
just thinking this job needs to be done, that job
needs to be done, and especially in the w Keynes
in September, you just don't take a bit of time
out when you think you probably should.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, I'm probably main wasted to today. I've got a
pretty strong conscience that I feel as I've got to
be doing something even though I'm probably not achieving anything. Yeah,
it's just one of those things. It's just the mindset
you get yourself into and probably no, should shouldn't be
doing anything, but I just feel as I need to be.
But yeah, you sort of cruise around thinking, at least
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I have got the All Blacks to watch tonight when
they get in, all the Stags to watch later on
the staff phone. But gee, it didn't really improve that
morel or feeling that much, did it?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
The All Blacks? Where did it go so wrong? Is
it a coaching is shoe or just a case of
we don't have the kettle?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Oh gee, I don't know if we've got the kettle
at the moment when you when you look at the
herd that the spring boxs are operating. Yeah, gee, they
were impressive on Saturday night. They really were and I
think all Blecks tried to change the game plan up
at times, playing with a bit more depth than that.
But the speed of the defensive line in the spring
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box is something to be a mind really and then
just brute physicality and the end was just something to yeah,
be ay but jealous of. At the moment.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It doesn't matter what you think of resci Arrastmus, but
the way that he has connected this country and when
you hear him speaking in the media, we can't actually
comprehend what life is like over there. Totally different scenario.
We know they're very passionate about the Aerugby for sure,
but he's managed to get all these different cultures together
and get them into the Springbok environment and far out
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man that first vive that side step, that's like Benji
Marshall two thousand and five but faster.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Yeah, you know, he's probably galvanized the country around the
team of that. And also he said he's got forty
five players that he could start. Yeah match, I mean
developing depth on that. That's pretty ominous for the next
world couple ready because it's going to come around quickly.
But when you're developing that sort of depth and that
sort of quality.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, gee out people harp back to South Africa losing
fifty seven milts at Albany to the ABS in twenty seventeen.
Two years later they lifted the William Webellers Trophy. So
you've got to try and find a silver lining in
the sunway right, But it's bloody hard to do.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
It is hard to do. And yeah, so yeah we'll
just said back and hopefully and hold onto the bit
as low otherwise that some real questions asked one.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
There and that Australia Argentina game for nothing else. Listening
to that crowd in the last fifteen minutes chanting wallerbes,
I've never heard a crowd like at forty thousand. They're
watching that game. The Argentina is deserved to win it.
The refereeing was dodgy to say the least with some
of those calls. But it's good to see Aussie rugby
back on the radar as well.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, exactly, And I think it's great for the game,
especially in the Southern Hemisphere game where you've got to
look at the Try Nations or the Grugby Championship whatever
they call it these days, table and all teams have
lost too one two, and this sets it up beautifully
for the last last round, doesn't it in a fortnight's time.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Good on your deam, we'll let you carry. Aren't always
good to chat? No thanks any cheers, Dean Ravage of Glennon.
Before the end of the year, Paul Ellison, we're going
to digest the rugby weekend and a bit more depth.
But up next way to Garston we catch up with
Tom O'Brien. The tones of the late Dolores so red
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and of the cran breeze. This is the muster away
up or down depending on where you are to Garston.
Tom O'Brien, we catch up this afternoon, Tom god Andy,
how's everything up there in northern Northern Southland?
Speaker 6 (28:42):
Oh, nor Northern south It's pretty good. Yeah, a little
bit of a breeze today, a little bit of a northerly,
beautiful Sunday morning, but it's sort of clouded over a
bit and it's starting to cool down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
But yeah, did the snow come down very low on
the hills as such?
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Not really, not as much as what they were sort
of forecasting. It was more of a westerly flow, so
it kind of went up the mountains more so we
had a little bit, but it didn't last long.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
What would you ever drainfall be out there? You reckon Tom.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
Probably up around six hundred.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Six hundred miles. Yeah, well I made as cheepers. There's
not that I suppose central Attago climate.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Yeah that's right, yep, yeah, yeah, No, we don't get
a lot really in the big scheme of things.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Yeah, that's for sure. Hey, last time we were speaking
to you were flat out fixing sleepers involved the Kings
and flyer. Did you manage to get that all that
all that sorted?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Oh we didn't have anything, got it all sorted? But yeah,
I was back a couple of days ago doing more
track work. Digger was putting in new sleepers, just shimmying
the old ones out and then shimmying the new ones in.
And then we just go along with the drills and
pre drill the holes and then just put in the
put in the spot, put in the screws just with
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a dance, just a petrol dance screwed o in and
then we check the gauge three foot six or one
thousand and seven eight nine it is, And yeah, I
mean just tie the track down.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So how do you dictate which sleepers go and which stay?
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Basically when you walk along and you kick them and
stand on them, and the and the bolts are a
bit loose or the sleepers are a bit rotten. You know,
you just got to get a put of dazzle and
just mark on the on the sleeper the dazzle and say,
well that's that's a rotten one, or you know that
needs replacing. Yeah, it's not rocket tights.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
So how long does it take to do the whole
track because it's not exactly half a k or anything.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
Well, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm doing this work
for my sins, so it must have been a bad
person some stage, or maybe I still am. I don't
know quite figured.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That out neither time.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
No, we're replacing three hundred sleepers, but there's twenty two
thousand sleepers in total in the whole track, so so
it's not the sort of thing that you can that
you can do in one hit. And yeah, sleepers are
being replaced, you know, every couple of years. It's just
an ongoing basis. But they some of those sleepers will
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be eighteen years old. Yeah, and they used to be
Jara Hardwood whereas nowadays they can be anything from macrocarpet
to a pine so the water is a little bit softer.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
It was interesting just down by wipeer he here the
other day I seen two diggers working on Saturday morning
doing exactly what you were, but probably on a bigger scale.
And yeah, I thought he was certaineously thinking, here's Thomas
O'Brien actually gone a bit higher in his contract.
Speaker 6 (31:37):
Perhaps, Ah yeah, Look, well, you know, if I cast
my memory back, it doesn't seem that long ago that
we were actually just doing everything with hand tools, like
you know, te Spanner's two guys on one Spanner Spanner
putting it on the screws and i'mdoing the screws. And
then we still use it's like a massive crowbar to
take the dogs spikes out the ones of the spikes.
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So yeah, and we used to boil a billy on
the side of the track. And there was another guy
I remember. We used to work with this old guy, Clive,
who was like an old railway stall walk And on
the first day that we started work, and we were
getting the jigger with the little trolleys and the ballast
to put under the sleepers. Once we'd replace them. This
old boy goes, oh, what's your name? And I said, oh,
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Tom said to my mate, Reagan, what's your name? And
he goes Reagan and he goes Reagan, No, that's not
your name. Your name is Jerry. Tom and Jerry pretty
well set the tone for the rest of the rest
of the time. So but yeah, it was I mean
a good day was eleven sleepers in a day. That
was a really good day by hand. Yeah, it was
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pretty arduous.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah, it was heart out and let's face it, be
a job that would suck if you didn't get on
with the personnel around you.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Oh correct, Yeah, no, you've definitely you've got to maintain
a bit of a sense of humor and and yeah, yeah,
you just need to Yeah, and it's and it's hard work.
You know, you need to take breaks, and it's quite
hard on the back and stuff. So so yeah, yeah,
but you know, it's part of the history and part
of keeping things on track, so to speak. And I
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guess it's the things behind the scenes that people don't
know about.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
At the moment as well. It sounds like you're helping
your mate organize for moving a house. Now we've all
seen that programund Telly about moving houses. For example, the Presbyterian,
the Presbyterian Church from Lumson went to Arrowtown and getting
it around the Devil staircase must have been a hell
of a nightmare. It can't be an easy exercise. How
much planning goes into something like that.
Speaker 6 (33:35):
Well, we're doing that right now. So as you say, yeah,
there's a mate who's getting house built in the cargo
and the builders up here at the moment, and we're
just going through the logistics of how we're actually going
to get the house up here, you know, past power poles,
past over hanging branches and trees. So yeah, we've got
the measuring tape out and we're doing this and doing
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that and figgering out, you know, which areas we're going
to have to cut. And then we're on site just
like how we're going to orientate the house sort of
in the north facing direction, and yeah, looking at what
sort of piles are going to go in, and yeah,
looking at geochech reports and engineers reports, and yeah, just
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going through that process. But my mate he's down here
at the moment where we're having a look at that
and hopefully all things things going to plan. It would
be really nice to see this house up here before Christmas.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Question. You say the house is being built in in
the cargo and transported logistically, would it have been easier
to have built the house where it's going.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Probably not because we don't as you know, we don't
really have a lot of services where we are. Yeah,
I mean, I know what you're saying, but yeah, we
just did. He worked it out and he said, no,
it's much easier and much faster and more efficient to
actually get the thing built on site because this company,
that's what they do. You know, they just specialize in
building on site and then transporting and quite a few
(35:00):
people are doing that nowadays. So yeah, and it's you know,
it's quite hard to get to get builders where we are,
and you know everyone's busy and you know, getting supplies
and that, so they just no better off to do
it in the yard and numbers. So that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Get some of these Subby's are living in Kingston, come
and do a cashy for you at night.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Oh look, they're so busy out there. There's there's there's
loads of them.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Actually Kingstons That Kingston is hectic these days. When you
go in there.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
Sure is that? Sure is? Hey the boss? The boss
is saying, hey, which way he's got a question? You
want to know which way? And authors uh that No,
he's losing elevation. He needs to know which direction he's going.
Now I've got the story of my life.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Mate. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
No, Look, we're super busy mate. You know there's there's
subbies who are looking for accommodation and the Kingston Gasson
Ethyl area we're obviously going to be having a lot
of builders coming into the area at some stage to
all those houses for those sections. So yeah, it's looking
like it will probably only go one way, so we
need to be able to do for those people, right
(36:09):
So yeah, yeah, and that code goes back into the
realms of you know, social planning and what you can
and can't do within the Southland district on the border.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Right out of time, we'll let you back on the tools.
You better find out where north has always good to
catch up.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Sounds good, matey.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Tim O'Brien based up a Garston Up next, Paul Ellison,
Welcome back to the muster. Before we wrap up, Paul Ellison,
the voice of a Tago rugby. You can hear his
commentaries on Goldsport joins us. The song is Dreams by
(36:49):
the Cranberryes Paul Welcome to the muster, by the way.
Unfortunately it wasn't a dream over the weekend for Southlanders
and All Blacks fans. It was just one big nightmare.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
It wasn't night me. In fact, it was two big nightmares,
to be fair, one for the All Blacks and then
one for the Southron Stags. I was driving back from
Dunedin listening to the match on the radio with Elliott's
miss commentary after commentating on the Otago Taranake match, and
I drove up the driveway and my wife greeted me
(37:21):
quite excitedly said, look, it's a really good game. We
still got twenty minutes to go. The score was seventeen
to ten at that stage. I wish I had driven
a hell of a lot slower and missed the last
twenty minutes, to be fair, because it really just was
one way traffic by the South Africans and the All
Blacks looked like they had no answers in that final
stages of that match. And then I tuned into the
Stags yesterday afternoon after being at the Otago Rugby Club's
(37:45):
Life Members function and I saw another capitulation there. I
wasn't sure what the goal was when they changed the jerseys.
But it's been a two week hangover now for the
Stags with fifty four fourteen sixty four ten and the
wheels have fallen off after what was a promising start
to the bun MPC. So a bit of a bleak
weekend in the Deep South, although Otago managed to get
(38:05):
a little bit of bright sunshine in a very windy
afternoon in Dunedin and keep their quarter final hopes alive.
But the Stags have got a bit of work to
do and you just wonder whether that is a bit
of post shield blues.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Now, as far as they All Blacks, what was the
difference from last week? I mean they held onto that
record at Eden Park. Did too much time and energy
go into that?
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Perhaps a couple of things.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
I think the rain favored the All Blacks eden Park.
The South Africans made a lot of uncharacteristic errors. South
Africa made widespread changes to their team, so they come
with a refreshed lineup. The All Blacks would have been
a little bit tight and beat up. They pretty much
stayed with the same same team with just a little
bit of small tinkering with Carter coming in and Noah
Hope them coming in, but not too many changes, whereas
(38:52):
the spring Box made six changes to their back lines,
two or three to their forwards and had a real
refreshed look to them. They took them attacking mindset into
the game, and I think they brought a lot of confidence.
You just have to question maybe the staleness of the
All Blacks. I looked at them in Argentina. In that
match in Cordova, there was fifty three players and officials
(39:13):
on the field during their warm up, which lasted for
about an hour, and that meant that there was the
thirty six players, plus a huge big coaching staff and
fitness advisors and probably strength and conditioning trainers and the like.
I look across on the other side of the pitch
and the spring the Argentinians had thirty five and that
was the players the reserves who were playing in the
(39:36):
defensive screens, and they only have four coaches in total
in Argentina. I just wonder, with this army players and
officials that the All Blacks have, whether there's too many
voices going into the players heads and they just don't
quite have the clear mindset. I think they got outplayed
by South Africa on the field, wonder they also got
outplayed by the offterfield.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Is this going to put more doubts around Scott Robinson
these only two years then or was it really to tail?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Probably a little bit early. Same sort of pressure came
on in Foster midway through his tenure when he had
a shocker when you know, lost to Ireland for the
first time ever in Dunedin, lost to Argentina and Newcastle
and lost a series for Ireland as well. Made some
changes to the coaching make up at that stage, with
(40:23):
Plum Tree and Brad Moer getting sort of exited out
and Jason Ryan coming in along with Joe Smith, and
that sort of seemed to make a bit of a
difference leading up to the World Cup. Still early days
for Scott Robertson, but the All Blacks are under pressure.
I think they'll wait and see until after the Rugby
Championship is over. We've got a chance to redeem ourselves
(40:44):
with two matches against Australia, one at Eden Park and
one in Perth. But we know that Australia are up
and down as well. You look at this competition and
you see that no country has won two Test matches
in their own country and this championship Argentina win and loss,
South Africa winne against Australia, New Zealand the same against
South Africa and New Zealand, Argentina against Australia and Australia.
(41:06):
So the teams have got no continuity and no consistency
in this competition. And so it's not just the All Blacks.
I mean, yes it was a record breaking loss, but
the fact that teams are struggling to put two consecutive
performances together must be a bit of a concern across
or is this just a reflection of how even rugby
is now in world circles.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Well, that's the argument. I suppose teams have caught up
and where New Zealand were.
Speaker 5 (41:31):
Yeah, I thought, think we've got the players, but they're
not gelling and that's you know, they sort of flattered
to the seed to some degree. They look good at times.
We thought last week after Eden Park, hey they might
get some momentum. The same players rewarded and saying hey
go again next week. Rassi Erasma said no, no, we're
going to build depth in our squad. We're going to
run a whole new team out pretty much, and that
(41:52):
was always his plan and you could see at the
back end of the game. That's where the All Blacks
have been struggling the last twenty minutes under Scott Robertson's watch.
And I'm not certainly saying it's Scott Robertson's fault, but
they seem to be struggling in the last twenty minutes.
We saw last year against Australia in Australia the All
Backs had a big lead and almost lost that in
the last in the last twenty minutes in the last
(42:15):
second half, and then the same thing we saw on
Saturday night as well, when the points start to mount
and they come under pressure, you All Blacks seem to
just not finish well. Sometimes you say it's the bench,
but you know when you bring on a decent bench
with Fabian Holland has been one of the standouts this year.
To Mighty Williams came on, but I go back to
the lots of Cody Taylor and I just feel that,
(42:37):
you know, he's such a such a key member of
that side. You've got probably the best four props to
be able to play with the group Newal Lomacs and Williams.
I say, I don't think there'll be any changes there.
I think you've probably got your three best locks in
terms of Fabian Holland to pou Bai and Scott Barrett.
Is Scott Barrett the captain? Well, he's not a lone
(42:59):
man out there? Yeah, I mean, yes, he does make
the calls as the captain, but he's got a leadership
team around them. And have we got the best number
ten that can run a game? I'm just not sure
whether Boden Barrett as much of an outstanding player that
he has been over the years, is the answer.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Now.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
I think he's possibly slightly past his prime. But who
do you put in there? That's the question? You know,
do you put Damian McKenzie back there, who struggled sometimes
in the number ten jersey in All Blacks and type
test matches? So you know, what do you do?
Speaker 2 (43:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
I haven't got the answer. We'll wait and see two
weeks time. Can the All Blacks turn things around at
Eden Park? Well, they're going back to their favorite venue,
so maybe you'd say they've got a chance after the
Australians also looking their wounds after a loss to Argentina
and Tidney.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Paul Ellison always appreciate your time on the Master great analysis.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Yeah, make sure you get your stag's jersey on. Don't
give up on them just yet. But they've got some
work to do, and some of the all blacks nice.
That's said Andy, laugh out loud with ad proud, because
life on the land can be a laughing matter.
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we go. That's us for a Monday, Ourmandy Mueller. This
(44:22):
has been the muster on Hokano. He cheers to Peter's genetics.
Like Paul Allison said, keep the faith. You kind of
got to right. See you tomorrow one o'clock
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