October 16, 2025 • 45 mins
Andy Muir talks to Jamie Mackay, Don Morrison, Eric Roy, David Latta and Phil Duncan.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Good afternoon and welcome to the master on Hakanui, Andy m.
You're here until two o'clock thanks to Peter's next.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Thanks very much for your company.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Whether you're in the iron horse turning over some worms,
you're in the tailing pen getting those tails off and
bracing prepared for the yellowmers, no matter what Mother Nature
is going to throw you this afternoon, getting organized for
the milking.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We do appreciate your company.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
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the late eighties.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
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Is forming seventh and eleven saw temperatures to hand Northern
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South on nine point eight, Riverton eleven point two, tire
now eleven point one. Shout out to the basin. Great
to have you listening this afternoon Tonorow at ten point five,
Winton and Woodlands at nine point eight with Jamie McKay
joining us in the Country Crossover coming to us from
the Gibbon Amp showed the one hundred and fiftieth version.
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Don Morrison, Wallowbank farmer and Alliance Boord director the Alliance Group.
You hear all about this proposal with Dawn Meat. So
it comes to a head early next week so we
catch up with how wew.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
We talk about a code as well.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Of course this All Blacks tour of South Africa next
year just being announced this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Proper Eric Crois.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
On the program talking about the life and times of
a late Bulger Eericors in Parliament when Jim was Prime
Minister and tells us about the individual and the legacy
that he leaves on the parliamentary landscape.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
David later, this will be a hoot.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Targo Rugby legend with a call to arms all the
Targo fans to get to four Scyth Bar Stadium. The
sevening against the bay of plenty steamers, and David's got
a request. He told me just to urge everybody get
your blue gear on, get your old retro jerseys on,
and get to forsythe bar to cheer them on and
finally fill dunkup and weather watch looking at the forecastle
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the next seven days.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
When will we get three days of hot weather?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Let's find out later in the hour, but we'll start
the show now with Jamie McKay. You're listening to the
Muster until two o'clock thanks to Peters genetics.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Up, Jean, are you just saying in your room I
saw the crescent.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Jamie McKay joins us in the Country Crossover. Jamie, good afternoon,
great to chat. Has been a few weeks and fishly
straight off the bat. Is it kind of ironic that
you're two or three weeks away coincided with the Palestinian flotilla.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
No, it's rather a long coat of dow there. Andy,
Greta and I don't have much in common. Is that
what we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes, it is, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, I know what I'd like to do with Greta
and a boat.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Think it just sort of get that cleared up though.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Off the bat, you're up there at Gisbane for the
one hundred and fiftieth show.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's a hell of an effort.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, I know, you do the math on that one, Andy, Sorry,
if there's a bit of noise in the background. The
place is really starting to fill up here. Yeah, one
hundred and fifty years, So do the math on that.
Eighteen seventy five. And this is that they argue that
this is the most successful AMP show in the country.
I'm told that there's forty thousand people living in this region,
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thirty thousand of them through the gates today and tomorrow.
So if that's three quarters of the population is attending
the show, pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Is it one of the more rural shows in the
North Island before? Do you respect?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, I don't know. I haven't been to that many
other shows in the North Island to be perfectly honest,
most of the big ones, let's face it, in the
South obviously, Wanica is huge now and the christ Church
Amp Show has been through its problems in recent years,
but they're rebuilding that and it was the biggest of
all the shows. So looking forward to heading up there
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launching the twenty twenty five, makaiser and you might have
to come up and join us for that one at
the christ Church show. But I do know. I think
last year, two years ago, I was at the hawks
Bay amp show. It was really well attended, very rural,
a bit like you know the good old days of
the Gore Show. Lots of animals, lots of equestrian, lots
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of kids, lots of lots of rubbishy when I say rubbishy,
fun things for kids to eat. Yeah, just a typical
A and T show.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, if you want me to be up in christ here,
it's you're with being the boss today. I encourage you
to put a good good word for me.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Dear.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Look, it's all go for the Alliance group next week.
I've got DoD Morrison on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Shortly.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's been an interesting few weeks to say the least
for the co Operative twenty two ride shows. I think
it is up and down the country. It's certainly D
Day Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, so it's possibly it's already been D Day or
we had Mark Win on the show yesterday, Andy, and
I'm sure you caught up with what he had to say.
I think about a third of the farmers or a
third of the votes had been cast already, so a
lot of people have made up their mind. I think
the biggest problem for getting the deal past the goalie
is Markwinn said, is farmer apathy, because they've got quite
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a high threshold to get through. They've got to jump
through a couple of hoops to get enough people and
enough and high enough percent of those who actually do
vote to get a yes vote. So if there is
farmer apathy, that could play into the hands of the
no vote. And Mark Guntan was also on the show yesterday,
and it's admirable that the farmers want to keep it
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on one hundred percent co op hands. But while I'm
not quite so sure certainly what I'm hearing Andy and
I had been out of the country for a couple
of weeks, but I'm hearing a lot of the smaller
or mid size farmers aren't interested in tipping any more
money in. So look at it be interesting to see
how it goes. I think it's my gut feeling would
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be that they're going to get a yes vote on
this one, and then when that happens, it's just a
matter of whether the Alliance Group can be competitive in
a very hot market when it comes to procurement. I
was reading a story online this morning, Andy about lambs
albeit at early season lambs or late season lambs at
eleven dollars it's huge money.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, lambs at the Saleyards down South this week consistently
going over three hundred dollars for the tops. I think
we might have been law and for the other day
heading three forty for the big boppers.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well you imagine if you can mind, you might be
a bit difficult in South and getting some early lambs
off in late November. That's about as early as we
get them off down there. But they will be paying
all sorts of money for that. So look at we've
got dwindling stock supplies, intense proturement. You know. I've heard
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other views that maybe it would best be best if
Alliance just folded, and then it would alleviate some of
the excess capacity in the industry. But it would be
an absolute shame if a farmer co op with such
a wonderful farmer owned history was to fold. Now we'll
all await tuesdays the answer, Andy, and see what the
vote is.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You have been in the in this Rural in this
Rural radio game for thirty one years, Jamie, in your opinion,
do you think there's a chain silverfer and Farms and
Alliance can still work together or is that ship gone?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I think that ship sailed. I did hear unofficially from
an industry source, totally unofficially that you know, there was
talks about divving up some of the Alliance sites at all,
you know, if they couldn't get a deal going. And
but look, I'm not I'm not sure on that one.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Andy.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's a real shame actually when you look back in
history that in I think it was about two thousand
and eight, two thousand and nine, there was talk about
the Grand Alliance between Silver Fern Farms and the Alliance
and trying to replicate something along the Fonterra Alliance. I
think back then, and this is only going off the
top of my head, if they'd combined way back then,
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it might have got them sixty percent of the market.
That's not a Fonterra type number where they're at eighty percent,
and that's like a pretty good model. You would have
to say the dairy, the dairy farmers or the dairying
models pretty good, one powerful player, but you've also got
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very serious competition from the likes of Open Country and
then the smaller operators like Westland and tATu and Sinlay
and all that sort of stuff. So there's enough competition
to keep the big guy honest. But there's also real
strength and that in that player, and that is Fonterra.
So look, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Worry Andy, we're going to run out of sheep. But
surely if it's the case, the last last man standing,
anyone left sheep farming, it's probably going to do quite well.
Because even the other thing, hallelujah, Andy, even while I've
been away, something's happened with the Wallmark and all of
a sudden it's worth something, and they're talking about it
going up even more, which is I think, I think
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it's wonderful. To be honest myself, I'd given up on Wool.
I thought it was a bit of a dead, dark,
strong wool. But I've been wrong before plenty of times,
and hopefully I'm wrong on this one as well, because
if we can get wall up, I don't know, even
five or six dollars a ki Low and Lamb at
ten Bucks a kilo. I think Sheep Farmers and I'm
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talking about throng Wall here would would be in a
reasonably good position.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Because the christ Church will exchange. Great name by the way,
but it's all of a sudden it's been the place
to go and see what's been going on over the
last couple of Thursdays regarding the price, and I think
they talked about the price two sales ago being a
generational sale Jamie, which is pretty strong terminology.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was great. I spoke to Rachel
Sharer from PGG Rights and about that one just before
I left, and it's gone up since then. So look,
that's that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Just quickly to wrap up a targo with I'm a
bit of a Southend influence and they're playing on Mark
Kelly's Bay of Plenty and Canterbury Hawks Bay, who we
want to target to win tonight, don't we.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Well, well, I certainly don't want Canterbury to one and
I don't want hawks by win, so I've got a
foot in both camps. Obviously. I live in Deneeden. I
know a couple of the players and there's some good
South and boys in there with the like cam Miller.
Good to see him rarely stepping up to the plate
and kicking that goal. He's one of the best goalkickers
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in the country, so that's got to play into Otago saands. Conversely,
my son and I the family's got a bit of
a cleaning business up in Towonga and where sponsors a
Bay of Plenty. I've always liked the Steamers. They play
an inter they play an open sort of game. So
I just hope the winner out of Otago all Bay
of Plenty, hopefully Otago, but whoever wins that game goes
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on to win the NPC. And because one thing I
don't want is Canterbury with it's all black spack to
win the NPC, boring yawn over a Icago for twenty years.
So I'll say Otago and my close second is the
Bay of Plenty.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, cam Miller, Harry Taylor will start, of course, start
up from down South and next Susan has been drafted
him for the week from the Stags.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, and is he starting?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I'm not too sure of it could be.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, look it's it's fantastic and I just
think of some of those some of those guys who
are playing for O Cargo. Imagine if we an Fin
Hurley's obviously injured, but imagine if.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He's in the twenty three today, isn't he?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Is he?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I haven't seen the team, but if we could get
all those South and born and bred guys, you know,
Harry Taylor, cam Miller and the likes of Finn Hurley
playing for the Stags, we would be undefeatable.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Jamie.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Always appreciate your time. You enjoy it up there in Gusy.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Okay, see you, mate.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Jamie McKay and the country Crossover. We're going to catch
up with Don Morrison, Nicks will they Bet Farmer, an
Alliance board director, talk about Monday Howie Morrison. Don Morrison
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is an Alliance board director and farms at Willowbank and
joins us once again.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
How he got an end in with a leader and
that was an anthem for us all back in the
Lincoln days. I got to say that always good to hear.
The Poe.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Body old.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You can't go wrong with it.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Jane McGowan undist unbelievable talents and yeah, what a great
sound Andy.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And a really interesting individual all accounts too.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Probably more interesting life than than most of the rest
of us. Leave Andy, I'd imagine we.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Catch in the tailing fen today in between mobs you're
telling me you got your jersey off, so it must
be getting warm out there.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Or you doing a bit of physical work.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
I'm on the tailor nine today, Andy, And like I said,
when you're doing a physical job, Andrew, you you get
to take a few clothes off and enjoy the enjoy
the day.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You have the shorts on, though surely no still still jeans.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
At this stage. So I've been bent down to the
singlet for most tailing days. So it's we're just picking
our days as what's going on. We're still Lemming Hoggarts
where a lot of different jobs sorting through from ram
Hoggits helped painting sal Ram Hoggins. Yesterday we're track the work,
hoping to get some barley sown. Today we'll start on
the barley. So yet plenty happening, Andy.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So they're coming through numbers wise, Okay through the pen.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Hey really good. Probably some of the best paddic percentages
we've ever had. And you know that weather was a
bit testing at Lemming, but I think the good condition
of the US with after that good winter really helped.
And you know, we should of thought there might have
been a bit of damage, but there wasn't. But look,
I've had criplet paddocks up to two forty, which is
as high as I've ever had, and you know, twin
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paddocks were really really good. So yeah, we're pretty happy
with things, Andy.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So in triplet paddocks, how many user being that might
for example.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
Oh, what do we have five five hundred triplets? I
think so they would they let they were tailed in
about three blocks and and yeah, one one of them
came in at two forty and the other the other
two were well over the two hundred, which is you know,
pretty pleasing with triplets.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Sounds like you're up with the play.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
Yeah, we actually feel we are. Andy. It's you know,
we've worked hard through the spring, but once that where
the dried up of that too, and it was good
enough for George to get onto the paddocks certainly kept
the wheels turning.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hey, the Alliance capital restructure, how we we've got this
special general meeting happening and in Vcago on Monday. Are
you a bit nervous or apprehensive about what the next
week might bring.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
I look at you. Just take what it is, Andy.
We completed twenty four road shows now, and there was
a virtual weavenar yesterday where they could our shareholders could
meet and listen to Nil Brown from Dawn Meats. So
we're getting pretty big support at the road shows. People
understand where we are and understand where we're going, and
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I think most people understand the value of this, dear Andy.
So you know, we'll see the meetings Monday and we'll
have a result to announce on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So Nile Brown of Dawn Meets, what did he have
to say exactly?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Oh, it was just it was really just an introduction
to the shareholders so they could they could meet him,
so they could understand who Dawn Meets is and who
Nile Brown is, and a bit of the history of
the company and what it might look like going forward.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
How was the reaction to what he had to say?
Have you heard much?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Oh? I think pretty good. He's a very very likable man,
very experienced in the meat industry, So yeah, I'm hearing
good reports.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So for Alliance shareholders, how we just explain what happens
Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
On Mondays the Special General Meeting, which is a procedural
meeting through this process, and it's a chance for scheerholders
to come and expressing the views they have. But it
will also be the close out for the I think
eleven don't quote the Andy, but it's later in the morning.
The electronic voting will close and then we have independent
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scrutinaiers do the whole process and Dale announce or we'll
be able to announce the results on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
When you say the voting closed, it sounds like popeyd
or just a bit more at stake.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
Look, there is a lot of stay Candy. It's been
a unanimous recommendation from the board that we support the
spot because we do see outstanding value in this relationship
with Dawn and it's going to let us move forward
as a company that absolutely thrives. And I think it's
really important threshholders in terms of delivering a really a
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strong a company with a strong future and a strong
price going forward.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is there anything you would have done differently over the
past couple of seasons, Howie when.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
You reflect, Look, if I reflect Dandy, I think there's
a certain inevitability and in this company within an industry
a weak balance sheet characterized by historically low profits. You
actually have to be generating a lot of retained earnings
to capitalize your balance sheet. Otherwise you've got to go
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to shareholders. We've probably never really been confident enough to
do that, or confident enough that we'd achieved what we needed.
We certainly tested the market last year and the response
from shareholders was no, the money we've got that's going
to be more important on our farms. We want to
capitalize our own operations and balance sheets, not the non alliance,
and so that really put us in the capital race
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situation where we are.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Andy Broll, we'll talk about Akde the NPC semi finals,
Sign of Tago Bay have plenty who you got.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Look, we're going to go with the Targo. I think
they'd be disappointed that they finished up the quarter final
last week, so yeah, I think they've got some good
play to come. So I'll certainly I'll be heading for
the South Island double when it comes, because I think
Canterbury will be pretty hard to beat in that other
semi as well.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
How good would a Tiger a ba a Plante Hawk's
Bay final be? Though all do you respect to Canterbury
they went enough.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
Oh it would be it would be absolutely awesome. But
you've just you're dealing with that Canterbury slash Crusaders. You know,
they've just got a culture of success. They know how
to win now, they know how to win, and they
recruit well. And I look at their backs, you know,
big strong backs, big strong windfielders. They'll be hard to beat.
But hey, some of those other teams. Now, this is
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the thing about the NPC. Now, a lot of the
smaller unions I shouldn't say smaller, but not your big
five are actually putting in some really good performances.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And the All Blacks touring South Africa next year. They're
calling it Rugby's biggest rivalry.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Which is nothing more than an gimmick for me, because
arguably you England and Wales or Scotland or someone might
have something to say about that. But next year it's
certainly going to be a hell of a hell of
a Test series over there in the Republic.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
And it's absolutely awesome. I remember as a curd back
in seventy six there was nothing more exciting than that
All Black tour. I think they went off for three months,
four piss. You know, players like Sir Bruce Robertson, Joe
Morgan in the Backs, Brian Williams, Infitt Patrick. You know
it was iconic as a as a young kid getting
up and watching those All Black games, and you know,
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nice to see a tour like that back on the program.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Good on you.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
How we always appreciate your time and it's going to
be a big week or so for the Alliance group.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
All the best for next week. Up to you and eat.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
We'll talk to you then.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Don Morrison, Willibank Farmer and Alliance Boort Director. It's the
Alliance Special General Meeting happening on Monday, and we should
know by lunchtime on Tuesday that the story as far
as Dawn meets buying into the Alliance. You listened to
the Muster up next to Eric Roi reflecting on the
life and times of Jim Bulgia.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
I've gone.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
From that world.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Welcome back to the Muster, Eric Croi, as a former MP,
and of anybody who has qualified to talk about the
life and times of the late Jim Bolgia, former Prime
Minister of New Zealand, it is Eric. He served under
him with the Labor with sorry National Government FRAUDI and
slipped there Eric in the nineteen nineties and joined us
this afternoon just to talk about Jim Bolger and being
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a politician and as a person as well. Eric good afternoon,
said news coming out of Jim Bulger's household over the
past couple of days.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, he had been in very poor health I understand,
and kidney failure and he was on permanent dialozing and
this quality of life was great. So it's said that
he's gone, but yeah, he was in a position of
some suffering as well, so in some ways it's a
bit of a release.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
He was a leader of the first MMP government in
New Zealand. How would you describe him as a politician.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well, he's an interesting guy. I think he was quite
innovative and quite courageous in many ways. And there's probably
about four reasons I could say that when he went
in in nineteen ninety I actually didn't join government till
ninety three. But you remember that we had the rod
genomics and the reforms and David Longears said time for
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a cup of tea, and they weren't completed. In Jim Bolgia.
The first thing he did was said well, we're going
to finish these reforms and got into the areas that
the previous labor government hadn't touched, the labor market and
all of those things, and he carried that on at
some political cost. But New Zealand, I believe is in
a much better place because that he actually did that.
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And then the next things that he actually did was
the first coalition government, and that was brought about because
he said, hang on, our voting system, isn't that fair
and it's predominantly party hart kind of an arrangement in parliament,
so he put a Royal Commission in place to look
at options. He didn't say we should have m MP,
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but he put the commission in place which put up
poor options, which in ninety three we voted on and
subsequently the yeah is m P the what is it?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
There was four answer.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Fraudy and slipped. The MMP was brought in and then
he organized the coalition governments. Interestingly, and the other thing
that he started was three settlements and that was good
and another illustration of his negotiating skill when he in
in ninety three with the government that the government had
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a one seat majority, which when you were at that stage,
you had to appoint a speaker, and the speaker didn't
vote because he sat there when there was a vote
ice the right knows to the left tell us this
and he couldn't vote. So that effectively left a government
that was stalled because didn't have a majority. So he
put Peter Tapsll from Labor and a speaker to be
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able to continue on. So I think he was quite
innovative and quite courageous in some of the things that
he did. As a leader of the party. I would say,
and I'm set under a few of them in my
eighteen years. He was easily the most inclusive in the
way that he ran caucus. Some of his caucuses were
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quite lengthy that he got criticism for, but everybody was
important in caucus, and at times he'd say when the
minister brought up, this is what you what we're going
to do, and if there was a bit of kickback
and caucusus, they go away and do some more work.
We're not ready for theiate. And I found them to
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be probably the best chairman of the board if the
caucuses the board while I was actually there.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Now when MMP came into fruition, were you an opponent
of it, because I remember the vote came out with
the four options. Like you say, what was the consensus
throughout the government at the time leading into it.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, well I think I think most of those in
the and would have voted against it, particularly on the right.
I was probably a supporter of single Transferable vote STV
at the time, recognizing that we needed to have a
system that was a bit more inclusive. But I think
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was third, or even might have been fourth. So I
say that was the thinking men's option. So I certainly
didn't vote for EMMP. So yeah, that's that's the sure. Interestingly,
in my first term, an another feature of Gimbolgia, I
was made a whip after I'd been there eight months
because of the era of judgment by the whip at
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the time. And then the next thing that happened shortly
after that, while I was still learning the ropes United
Future broke up with four Nationals and three Labor and
the government had lost its majority again, but they did
give what's called confidence and supply, which is, uh, yeah,
well we'll support the money going through. And in the
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course of that time that they were there, because they
were building a bit of momentum. We actually lost five
votes and when when the government loses the vote, the
whip has to go and offer the resignation. And of
the first time that happened, I said, I can't whip
these united due to people. It's not my fault. And yeah,
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he accepted. And by the time it had happened four
or five times, it didn't even report. I just probably
texted them and said that happened again. Couldn't change it,
And he was very understanding of that particular situation.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'll take you back to his first term as Prime
Minister in nineteen ninety, a landslide victory, like you say,
the bearest of margins. What changed for the government though,
for things to change the way they did on a
political landscape.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, well, I think there's been a lot of comparisons
made as to what the government had to do then
and to what it should be doing now. And they
took the cold Turkey approach and said, right, we'll do this,
and then almost lost the next election. In fact, we
waited for Alec Neil in Wytaki to win on specials
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before we even had that one seat majority. And I
think this particular government that we've got now has been
much more cautious about taking the hard medicine. So I think,
you know, history has a few lessons and there are
some people out there now that went through the more
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hard core approach to the early nineties to saying that's
how we should do it. Now, let's deal with it
and get it over and done with, rather than pushy
foot around and try and maintain public support and not
do anything. So you know, that's probably the conundrum that
sits on top of the government now.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's interesting you mentioned Alec Neil MP for way Techie.
He took out Jim Sutton who was a Minister of
Agriculture leading into that election, and just do we byline
two the labor leaders Mike Moore took over from Sir
Jeffrey Palmer. And the reason I remember that is because
when I was at school, was in mass or something
one day and I was board, so I wrote a
letter to Jeffrey Palmer asking him why he's just being
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so negative towards the rural sector and blow me down.
He actually replied and signed the letter back as well,
So I just as so I remember that time.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I think Jeffrey Palmer was a superb intellect, But I
think his legacy was beefing up the Select Committee so
that all of the legislation then had to go to
Select Committee for public submission. And so while we're a
unicameral house, we don't have another house. We just have
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one house. We have the strongest Select Committee process in
the world that actually deals with reports and bills and
all of that stuff. So I think that's his legacy.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Hey, Eric will leave it there.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We know you're in transit, but we do appreciate time
as always and great to hear about Jim Bulga rist
in peace.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yep, absolutely being a good man for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Derek Croi there reminiscing about Jim Bulgia. This is the Muster.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Before the end of the hour, Phil Duncan weather watch,
but up next, David Ladder, Let's talk this game of
rugby happening in Dunedin tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Welcome back to the Muster. David Letter.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's fair to say he's an Otago rugby legend, one
hundred and sixty one games for the Golden o. He
was part of the nineteen ninety one NPC winning team.
They won the competition twice then and in nineteen ninety
eight and tonight they're one step closer to winning it
for a third time.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
David, Welcome to the muster. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Oh cheeerz guys.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, firstly, you put an interesting Facebook post there out
during the week they got a lot of traction urging
the Otago Rugby Union to get out to the province
to get cheap tickets and fill forcythe bar Stadium.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do you think it's going to work?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I think it has.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
I don't know how full it'll be, but obviously open
part of the north stand, so that means the south
stands full and the.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Zoo's open, and that's the big thing.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I suppose getting the scarf he's involved going back to
the Highlanders during O week and just getting the messes
in there because this is the semi finals. Rugby doesn't
get any better if you're an a Tago fan.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Let's be honest, it doesn't get any better, you know,
whether a Hilands fan or a Targa fan or a
Southern fan. You know, like we're well, it's just once
you get there, it's just game on.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And we look at the season.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Look, the Stags had their own Frilly Shield Otago's had
the shield and we look even at North Otago they're
in the semi finals of the Lahaw Cup this weekend,
so arguably it's been a successful year, although a couple
of teams probably more than the other one.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Yeah, well you look at that shield now. It just
shows there's a lot of meaning in that in that
shield still and you know how many problems are head
this year?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Five is it?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think five? It's unreal like that.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
That's that's incredible, you know, and they've all done the
same thing. They've taken it out to the regions of
engage with people, so you know, I think it's been fantastic.
You know, I think it's one of the one of
those just iconic trophies that are about And.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I've still got a lot of meeting with your guys there.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I mean the scenes in South of the one that
Jack Taylor just losing his rag and understandably so. But
it just shows that the passion is there for the
next gen generation coming through and that's what we need
for the MPC.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Absolutely, you know there's something outstanding players and you know
you just mentioned one man, a young man has got
a massive future ahead of him. And you know there's
so many young guys on the block now, you know,
having a go and it's it's exciting times.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So what is working so well for a Tago rugby
at the moment, David?
Speaker 7 (32:32):
I think you know, there's probably been a bit of
a change in probably their mindset. You know, they're obviously
a bit of change in coaching. I just think it's
whatever the mix is in there, and now at the
moment it's working, you know. So, I mean I can't
put my phone on a bit like it's if you
could bottle it up. You definitely want to.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Do that, when't you.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
We talk about the MPC and the way that it's evolved,
and it's just the game of rugby as a whole,
and we had to accept a lot of these changes.
I mean, the arguments there you could sacrifice a lot
if you could bring back rucking that don't even happen.
But you look at the game these days, David, compared
to when you played it, and I think it's fair
to say everything's just changed.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Oh absolutely. I mean, you know, you look at the
body shape. You know, the the body mass that's out
there now is probably increased by twenty to thirty percent
in some cases, so the field stayed the same size,
so you're filling you're filling the field up with more
bodies or more mass, so there's not a lot of
space there now, not a contest at ruck time, So
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you just got to get a defense line so to me,
to me, they could probably make some subtle changes in
there to make it a contest and that would allow
a bit more space out wide for the backs. You know,
I always work on the theory of numbers, you know.
So if you're the team with the ball, you carry
it in with and you take four support players in
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with you, the defense team's got to match you, and
I think, you know, then you start getting the contest,
you start getting a the defense folding in because they
can't stay out there, they've got a match, and then
you get space. What would be the.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Highlight from your playing career. You think back to nineteen
ninety four, remember Guard, He's rip and the T shirt
came out Blockbusters, Aeron Pino a caricature. If I'm on
the front holding the head of the spring box and
everybody at the time, it just resonated because it was
an absolute trophy to behold.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Would you call that one of the highlights from your career.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Oh, I think just any any any trophies a highlight.
But yeah, that was I suppose, you know, it's one
of those special ones when you look at that.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I don't think provincial unions will get that opportunity again
to play the to play the spring box. We're fortunate
enough to do that that day. And it's even like
the British Lions. You know how many teams will get
to ever play them again in the provincial union Probably
not a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, it's underest thing.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They've come out of the All Blacks doing a full
time or of South Africa next year, announced this morning
playing the h what was the super rugby sides over there?
And I think four tests as well, So probably to
a scale we're not doing the provincial sides unfortunately that
seems to be days gone past.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
Yeah, I think, and probably it would be quite a
you know, if you're playing in financial union now, I'll
probably be a bit of a mismatch. Would be like
playing the All Backs, wouldn't it. You know, Like if
you're a provincial union it would be pretty tough. It'll
be very tough on you. But like hey, we did
it back in the day, but yeah, things of things
have changed.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
So as far as the game tonight, David, it's a
no brainer. You'll be going along.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Oh absolutely, I got me. I've got my old shirt out, brilliant.
I'll put a bit of a request out there for
the for the for the supporters to bring a bit
of old kid out and wear it and you know,
support the boys. So hopefully it gets a bit of
a little bit of traction too.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
You'll be in the stairs.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
I can't believe Monstall fits.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I haven't put it on you.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh you look at you know, have your job though
to be fair that you're out on the tools every day,
still you're probably still not holding up pretty good all
things considered.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Let's be honest, well try to behave hey, good.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
On your David, appreciated your time.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
All the best of the target tonight as well, and
your let be honest, Highlanders are all barracking for you guys.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Eh, yeah, absolutely, you know, like I just think it's
going to be a great a great game. You know,
like there two very good sides, believe me, you know,
taking a month away from the bay, Yes, they will
be very good and they got they got the stats
to prove it, you know, So I'm just looking forward
to it and I just hope the crowd gets them
behind it and whatever happens happens, and you know, we
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can celebrate rugby either way.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Blue and Gold's going to one and hopefully it's going
to be your Targo variety. David Little thinks to your
time on the Muster.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Oh goodness, gold Gud, thanks a lot, David Ladder.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
A tiger Rugby Royalty urging anyone going to the game tonight.
If you've got your old kit, go go and get
it out of the cabard, wear it to the game.
It's going to be a big one. A Tago bay plenty.
Before we wrap up next for the week where the Watchers,
Phil Duncan.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Pleasing legames. I've promised myself I won't do that again.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
It's got to be And before we rip up for
the week here on the Muster, let's catch up with
Peel Duncan out of Willow Watch check from the Celtic Grooves,
(37:43):
A figure around, a fear around, attraction to the rage
of ladders, Morris It.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Phil Dunkle, Welcome to Friday.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
What a great intro. Thank you very much. And yes,
yeah it's Friday.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm hoping the weather matches the mood. What have we got?
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Well, you know, it is still spring, so it's still
and down, but you know, it's not as bad as
it could be. But I'm trying to put a positive
spin on it because it's still it is still a
bit wet and a bit cold at times. We've still
got you know, highs and lows all coming through at
the moment. So the downside is that, yes, there's more
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wet weather coming, which i think you're a bit tired of,
and we're still not done with the cold nights yet
as well in some cooler days. So on the positive
side of all of that is that from a big
picture point of view, looking at the whole country, we
are seeing a lot of the windy weather and the
cold weather sink further and further southwoods. But of course
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you've been the southernmost region. You're still in the thick
of it to some degree. But it is changing. We
are seeing as from a nationwide point of view, and
not just here. From an Australian point of view as well,
they are seeing some heat sinking south woods. It's going
to be thirty three degrees in Sydney today, probably thirty
five out in Paramatta in the west, and then they've
got that again on Monday. So like it properly going
(39:00):
into summer. But even Australia is still getting bursts of cold,
wintery weather. So from a big picture point of view,
we are doing all the right things as we slide
towards summer. But for Southland it still means sun, rain,
showers and a lot of wind coming from the west,
which means the temperatures are flash They're not hot, they're
not cold, but they're kind of still in that middle
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ground where you've got a number of days coming up
with daytime highs between sort of twelve to thirty degrees,
so not hot or warm like maybe some other areas
around the country are.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
We're getting a couple of days where the temperatures of
beautiful mid to late teens. We've got blue skies, but
it's two days in a row. Where are we going
to see a hat trick?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, might be.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
I think we might be having to wait until the
very end of the month or going into November. What
we're seeing, actually the labor weekend is a fair bit
of high pressure moving across the country and so Southland
at this stage doesn't look too bad. The air pressure
is going up a wee ait that weekend as well,
and further northwards there is a lot of high pressure
moving into New Zealand, so that's a bit of a change.
(40:02):
So if you're heading away for the long weekend, there
might be some good news, but yeah, it's at the moment.
What's happening is we don't really have the high pressure
zones over the top of you. They're running over the
north of New Zealand and then in the coming week
they'll track a little further into the North Island. So
there is an improvement, but because you're on the edges
of it, still not quite yet seeing a big improvement.
(40:23):
In fact, there could be a rain event next week
with maybe thirty millimeters coming through as we go through
What day was that Tuesday? Wednesday? Around about there, So
we're not completely out of the woods yet, but we are,
as I say, overall, seeing some improvements.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Are the ones going to be south westerly or are
we going to be sticking with these northwesters at least
with northwesterlies as warmer.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Yeah, there's a lot of westerlies in the flow. Pretty
much every wind direction of every day has a w
with it. But some days it might be like today
it's a north northwesterly, which is basically a normally to northwesterly.
Tomorrow it's westerly, Sunday's westerly, Monday northwester again, and then
as we go through Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it is a
west to northwest when so a lot of westerlies in there.
(41:06):
And you know, like I say, temperatures, daytime temperatures, Today
is the warmest day of the next week, whether around
eighteen degrees or so, but the weekend thirteen to fifteen degrees,
and then next week eleven to thirteen degrees right through
until next weekend, and the overnight lows. Tonight's a mild night,
ten degrees is the overnight low, but tomorrow night down
(41:27):
to two, so we might see some light frost around.
It won't be very much late. The frosts are pretty
much disappearing now, but they're possible white bit of frost
here and there. And then as we go into next week,
a lot of overnight lows sort of seven to eight degrees,
six degrees, and then next weekend a bit colder again,
down to three or four. So it's not brutal, it's
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not really mild. It's just in that middle ground, really,
which is what October really is.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So what you're saying is the second half of spring
is going to be a continuation of what we've seen.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Unfortunately, well it might be.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
To be with, but I'm still holding up a bit
of hope for what November brings us. I keep saying
this that you know, we've been in the same ware
the pattern since about the middle of August, so we've
had a couple of months now of a fairly relentless
wad of pattern. So that's kind of textbook in some ways.
So when you get to November, usually a little bit
of energy comes out of the weather that we're getting
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and we get a bit more high pressure moving through.
So that's the thing I'm looking for at about a
week's time from now, or maybe a little bit just
after Labor weekends, just trying to work out what is
November looking like, because that helps shape what we're going
to be seeing going into December. So that's what I'll
be looking for in about a week's time. So hopefully
when we talk next week although maybe it just might
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be after Labor weekend to kind of work out what
is November's where the pattern, because that is going to
be a critical sort of component to working out what
is summer looking like at this stage, and it's too
early to see what some is looking like this year
because we've got, as I said, classic spring going on.
We've got the stratospheric warming over Antarctica, which has just
(43:02):
made us spring a little more westerly driven, a little
more spring like. And then on top of that, we've
got a weak Lardinia trying to form up in the tropics,
and so there are a few different moving parts, and
sometimes when you've got a lot of moving parts like that,
you end up with just a really normal weather patch
over the top of us. So it's a little tricky
to work out sometimes in our location on Earth long
(43:25):
range stuff. But that's what we're looking for later next week,
is what is the first half of November looking like
and will there finally be a change to what we've
had for the last two months.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
A weak Ladininia as a Latininian nonetheless it is, but
again it's measured.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
At the tropics, and we're halfway from the Tropics to Antarctica,
so if it's a weak Blardinia, it may not even
really affect us this far south. So that's why the
southern stratospheric warming over Antarctica this year is making a
bit of a difference, because if it's going to make
those westly stronger, then Larninia's easterly they not really be felt.
(44:01):
They might get bulldozed away by the westerly circling the
Southern Ocean in the New Zealand area. So that's why
there are a few moving parts and at some point
one of those might win. But a week line Meania
sometimes doesn't do anything at all to New Zealand, so
it's not necessarily going to drive in a big change
to us, not yet anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Fieldakin of weather Watch, we always appreciate your time on
the muster.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Have a good weekend, They.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
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the Simmis of the NPC. My name's Andy Muerliston and
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Muster five am tomorrow, see you Monday.
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now eleven point one. Shout out to the basin. Great
to have you listening this afternoon Tonorow at ten point five,
Winton and Woodlands at nine point eight with Jamie McKay
joining us in the Country Crossover coming to us from
the Gibbon Amp showed the one hundred and fiftieth version.
(01:38):
Don Morrison, Wallowbank farmer and Alliance Boord director the Alliance Group.
You hear all about this proposal with Dawn Meat. So
it comes to a head early next week so we
catch up with how wew.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
We talk about a code as well.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Of course this All Blacks tour of South Africa next
year just being announced this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Proper Eric Crois.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
On the program talking about the life and times of
a late Bulger Eericors in Parliament when Jim was Prime
Minister and tells us about the individual and the legacy
that he leaves on the parliamentary landscape.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
David later, this will be a hoot.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Targo Rugby legend with a call to arms all the
Targo fans to get to four Scyth Bar Stadium. The
sevening against the bay of plenty steamers, and David's got
a request. He told me just to urge everybody get
your blue gear on, get your old retro jerseys on,
and get to forsythe bar to cheer them on and
finally fill dunkup and weather watch looking at the forecastle
(02:32):
the next seven days.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
When will we get three days of hot weather?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Let's find out later in the hour, but we'll start
the show now with Jamie McKay. You're listening to the
Muster until two o'clock thanks to Peters genetics.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Up, Jean, are you just saying in your room I
saw the crescent.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Jamie McKay joins us in the Country Crossover. Jamie, good afternoon,
great to chat. Has been a few weeks and fishly
straight off the bat. Is it kind of ironic that
you're two or three weeks away coincided with the Palestinian flotilla.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
No, it's rather a long coat of dow there. Andy,
Greta and I don't have much in common. Is that
what we're talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yes, it is, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
No, I know what I'd like to do with Greta
and a boat.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Think it just sort of get that cleared up though.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Off the bat, you're up there at Gisbane for the
one hundred and fiftieth show.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's a hell of an effort.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, I know, you do the math on that one, Andy, Sorry,
if there's a bit of noise in the background. The
place is really starting to fill up here. Yeah, one
hundred and fifty years, So do the math on that.
Eighteen seventy five. And this is that they argue that
this is the most successful AMP show in the country.
I'm told that there's forty thousand people living in this region,
(03:58):
thirty thousand of them through the gates today and tomorrow.
So if that's three quarters of the population is attending
the show, pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Is it one of the more rural shows in the
North Island before? Do you respect?
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Ah?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Well, I don't know. I haven't been to that many
other shows in the North Island to be perfectly honest,
most of the big ones, let's face it, in the
South obviously, Wanica is huge now and the christ Church
Amp Show has been through its problems in recent years,
but they're rebuilding that and it was the biggest of
all the shows. So looking forward to heading up there
(04:36):
launching the twenty twenty five, makaiser and you might have
to come up and join us for that one at
the christ Church show. But I do know. I think
last year, two years ago, I was at the hawks
Bay amp show. It was really well attended, very rural,
a bit like you know the good old days of
the Gore Show. Lots of animals, lots of equestrian, lots
(04:57):
of kids, lots of lots of rubbishy when I say rubbishy,
fun things for kids to eat. Yeah, just a typical
A and T show.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Well, if you want me to be up in christ here,
it's you're with being the boss today. I encourage you
to put a good good word for me.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Dear.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Look, it's all go for the Alliance group next week.
I've got DoD Morrison on the show.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Shortly.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
It's been an interesting few weeks to say the least
for the co Operative twenty two ride shows. I think
it is up and down the country. It's certainly D
Day Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, so it's possibly it's already been D Day or
we had Mark Win on the show yesterday, Andy, and
I'm sure you caught up with what he had to say.
I think about a third of the farmers or a
third of the votes had been cast already, so a
lot of people have made up their mind. I think
the biggest problem for getting the deal past the goalie
is Markwinn said, is farmer apathy, because they've got quite
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a high threshold to get through. They've got to jump
through a couple of hoops to get enough people and
enough and high enough percent of those who actually do
vote to get a yes vote. So if there is
farmer apathy, that could play into the hands of the
no vote. And Mark Guntan was also on the show yesterday,
and it's admirable that the farmers want to keep it
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on one hundred percent co op hands. But while I'm
not quite so sure certainly what I'm hearing Andy and
I had been out of the country for a couple
of weeks, but I'm hearing a lot of the smaller
or mid size farmers aren't interested in tipping any more
money in. So look at it be interesting to see
how it goes. I think it's my gut feeling would
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be that they're going to get a yes vote on
this one, and then when that happens, it's just a
matter of whether the Alliance Group can be competitive in
a very hot market when it comes to procurement. I
was reading a story online this morning, Andy about lambs
albeit at early season lambs or late season lambs at
eleven dollars it's huge money.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Well, lambs at the Saleyards down South this week consistently
going over three hundred dollars for the tops. I think
we might have been law and for the other day
heading three forty for the big boppers.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Well you imagine if you can mind, you might be
a bit difficult in South and getting some early lambs
off in late November. That's about as early as we
get them off down there. But they will be paying
all sorts of money for that. So look at we've
got dwindling stock supplies, intense proturement. You know. I've heard
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other views that maybe it would best be best if
Alliance just folded, and then it would alleviate some of
the excess capacity in the industry. But it would be
an absolute shame if a farmer co op with such
a wonderful farmer owned history was to fold. Now we'll
all await tuesdays the answer, Andy, and see what the
vote is.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You have been in the in this Rural in this
Rural radio game for thirty one years, Jamie, in your opinion,
do you think there's a chain silverfer and Farms and
Alliance can still work together or is that ship gone?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
I think that ship sailed. I did hear unofficially from
an industry source, totally unofficially that you know, there was
talks about divving up some of the Alliance sites at all,
you know, if they couldn't get a deal going. And
but look, I'm not I'm not sure on that one.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Andy.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's a real shame actually when you look back in
history that in I think it was about two thousand
and eight, two thousand and nine, there was talk about
the Grand Alliance between Silver Fern Farms and the Alliance
and trying to replicate something along the Fonterra Alliance. I
think back then, and this is only going off the
top of my head, if they'd combined way back then,
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it might have got them sixty percent of the market.
That's not a Fonterra type number where they're at eighty percent,
and that's like a pretty good model. You would have
to say the dairy, the dairy farmers or the dairying
models pretty good, one powerful player, but you've also got
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very serious competition from the likes of Open Country and
then the smaller operators like Westland and tATu and Sinlay
and all that sort of stuff. So there's enough competition
to keep the big guy honest. But there's also real
strength and that in that player, and that is Fonterra.
So look, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I mean, I just.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Worry Andy, we're going to run out of sheep. But
surely if it's the case, the last last man standing,
anyone left sheep farming, it's probably going to do quite well.
Because even the other thing, hallelujah, Andy, even while I've
been away, something's happened with the Wallmark and all of
a sudden it's worth something, and they're talking about it
going up even more, which is I think, I think
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it's wonderful. To be honest myself, I'd given up on Wool.
I thought it was a bit of a dead, dark,
strong wool. But I've been wrong before plenty of times,
and hopefully I'm wrong on this one as well, because
if we can get wall up, I don't know, even
five or six dollars a ki Low and Lamb at
ten Bucks a kilo. I think Sheep Farmers and I'm
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talking about throng Wall here would would be in a
reasonably good position.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Because the christ Church will exchange. Great name by the way,
but it's all of a sudden it's been the place
to go and see what's been going on over the
last couple of Thursdays regarding the price, and I think
they talked about the price two sales ago being a
generational sale Jamie, which is pretty strong terminology.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, it was great. I spoke to Rachel
Sharer from PGG Rights and about that one just before
I left, and it's gone up since then. So look,
that's that's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Just quickly to wrap up a targo with I'm a
bit of a Southend influence and they're playing on Mark
Kelly's Bay of Plenty and Canterbury Hawks Bay, who we
want to target to win tonight, don't we.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Well, well, I certainly don't want Canterbury to one and
I don't want hawks by win, so I've got a
foot in both camps. Obviously. I live in Deneeden. I
know a couple of the players and there's some good
South and boys in there with the like cam Miller.
Good to see him rarely stepping up to the plate
and kicking that goal. He's one of the best goalkickers
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in the country, so that's got to play into Otago saands. Conversely,
my son and I the family's got a bit of
a cleaning business up in Towonga and where sponsors a
Bay of Plenty. I've always liked the Steamers. They play
an inter they play an open sort of game. So
I just hope the winner out of Otago all Bay
of Plenty, hopefully Otago, but whoever wins that game goes
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on to win the NPC. And because one thing I
don't want is Canterbury with it's all black spack to
win the NPC, boring yawn over a Icago for twenty years.
So I'll say Otago and my close second is the
Bay of Plenty.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, cam Miller, Harry Taylor will start, of course, start
up from down South and next Susan has been drafted
him for the week from the Stags.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, and is he starting?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Is he?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I'm not too sure of it could be.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, no, look it's it's fantastic and I just
think of some of those some of those guys who
are playing for O Cargo. Imagine if we an Fin
Hurley's obviously injured, but imagine if.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He's in the twenty three today, isn't he?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Is he?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I haven't seen the team, but if we could get
all those South and born and bred guys, you know,
Harry Taylor, cam Miller and the likes of Finn Hurley
playing for the Stags, we would be undefeatable.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Jamie.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Always appreciate your time. You enjoy it up there in Gusy.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Okay, see you, mate.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Jamie McKay and the country Crossover. We're going to catch
up with Don Morrison, Nicks will they Bet Farmer, an
Alliance board director, talk about Monday Howie Morrison. Don Morrison
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is an Alliance board director and farms at Willowbank and
joins us once again.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 8 (13:23):
How he got an end in with a leader and
that was an anthem for us all back in the
Lincoln days. I got to say that always good to hear.
The Poe.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Body old.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You can't go wrong with it.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Jane McGowan undist unbelievable talents and yeah, what a great
sound Andy.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And a really interesting individual all accounts too.
Speaker 8 (13:49):
Probably more interesting life than than most of the rest
of us. Leave Andy, I'd imagine we.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Catch in the tailing fen today in between mobs you're
telling me you got your jersey off, so it must
be getting warm out there.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Or you doing a bit of physical work.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
I'm on the tailor nine today, Andy, And like I said,
when you're doing a physical job, Andrew, you you get
to take a few clothes off and enjoy the enjoy
the day.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
You have the shorts on, though surely no still still jeans.
Speaker 8 (14:14):
At this stage. So I've been bent down to the
singlet for most tailing days. So it's we're just picking
our days as what's going on. We're still Lemming Hoggarts
where a lot of different jobs sorting through from ram
Hoggits helped painting sal Ram Hoggins. Yesterday we're track the work,
hoping to get some barley sown. Today we'll start on
the barley. So yet plenty happening, Andy.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So they're coming through numbers wise, Okay through the pen.
Speaker 8 (14:39):
Hey really good. Probably some of the best paddic percentages
we've ever had. And you know that weather was a
bit testing at Lemming, but I think the good condition
of the US with after that good winter really helped.
And you know, we should of thought there might have
been a bit of damage, but there wasn't. But look,
I've had criplet paddocks up to two forty, which is
as high as I've ever had, and you know, twin
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paddocks were really really good. So yeah, we're pretty happy
with things, Andy.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So in triplet paddocks, how many user being that might
for example.
Speaker 8 (15:08):
Oh, what do we have five five hundred triplets? I
think so they would they let they were tailed in
about three blocks and and yeah, one one of them
came in at two forty and the other the other
two were well over the two hundred, which is you know,
pretty pleasing with triplets.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Sounds like you're up with the play.
Speaker 8 (15:27):
Yeah, we actually feel we are. Andy. It's you know,
we've worked hard through the spring, but once that where
the dried up of that too, and it was good
enough for George to get onto the paddocks certainly kept
the wheels turning.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Hey, the Alliance capital restructure, how we we've got this
special general meeting happening and in Vcago on Monday. Are
you a bit nervous or apprehensive about what the next
week might bring.
Speaker 8 (15:51):
I look at you. Just take what it is, Andy.
We completed twenty four road shows now, and there was
a virtual weavenar yesterday where they could our shareholders could
meet and listen to Nil Brown from Dawn Meats. So
we're getting pretty big support at the road shows. People
understand where we are and understand where we're going, and
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I think most people understand the value of this, dear Andy.
So you know, we'll see the meetings Monday and we'll
have a result to announce on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So Nile Brown of Dawn Meets, what did he have
to say exactly?
Speaker 8 (16:27):
Oh, it was just it was really just an introduction
to the shareholders so they could they could meet him,
so they could understand who Dawn Meets is and who
Nile Brown is, and a bit of the history of
the company and what it might look like going forward.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
How was the reaction to what he had to say?
Have you heard much?
Speaker 8 (16:47):
Oh? I think pretty good. He's a very very likable man,
very experienced in the meat industry, So yeah, I'm hearing
good reports.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
So for Alliance shareholders, how we just explain what happens
Monday and Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (17:00):
On Mondays the Special General Meeting, which is a procedural
meeting through this process, and it's a chance for scheerholders
to come and expressing the views they have. But it
will also be the close out for the I think
eleven don't quote the Andy, but it's later in the morning.
The electronic voting will close and then we have independent
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scrutinaiers do the whole process and Dale announce or we'll
be able to announce the results on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
When you say the voting closed, it sounds like popeyd
or just a bit more at stake.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
Look, there is a lot of stay Candy. It's been
a unanimous recommendation from the board that we support the
spot because we do see outstanding value in this relationship
with Dawn and it's going to let us move forward
as a company that absolutely thrives. And I think it's
really important threshholders in terms of delivering a really a
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strong a company with a strong future and a strong
price going forward.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Is there anything you would have done differently over the
past couple of seasons, Howie when.
Speaker 8 (18:07):
You reflect, Look, if I reflect Dandy, I think there's
a certain inevitability and in this company within an industry
a weak balance sheet characterized by historically low profits. You
actually have to be generating a lot of retained earnings
to capitalize your balance sheet. Otherwise you've got to go
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to shareholders. We've probably never really been confident enough to
do that, or confident enough that we'd achieved what we needed.
We certainly tested the market last year and the response
from shareholders was no, the money we've got that's going
to be more important on our farms. We want to
capitalize our own operations and balance sheets, not the non alliance,
and so that really put us in the capital race
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situation where we are.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Andy Broll, we'll talk about Akde the NPC semi finals,
Sign of Tago Bay have plenty who you got.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Look, we're going to go with the Targo. I think
they'd be disappointed that they finished up the quarter final
last week, so yeah, I think they've got some good
play to come. So I'll certainly I'll be heading for
the South Island double when it comes, because I think
Canterbury will be pretty hard to beat in that other
semi as well.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
How good would a Tiger a ba a Plante Hawk's
Bay final be? Though all do you respect to Canterbury
they went enough.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
Oh it would be it would be absolutely awesome. But
you've just you're dealing with that Canterbury slash Crusaders. You know,
they've just got a culture of success. They know how
to win now, they know how to win, and they
recruit well. And I look at their backs, you know,
big strong backs, big strong windfielders. They'll be hard to beat.
But hey, some of those other teams. Now, this is
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the thing about the NPC. Now, a lot of the
smaller unions I shouldn't say smaller, but not your big
five are actually putting in some really good performances.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
And the All Blacks touring South Africa next year. They're
calling it Rugby's biggest rivalry.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Which is nothing more than an gimmick for me, because
arguably you England and Wales or Scotland or someone might
have something to say about that. But next year it's
certainly going to be a hell of a hell of
a Test series over there in the Republic.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
And it's absolutely awesome. I remember as a curd back
in seventy six there was nothing more exciting than that
All Black tour. I think they went off for three months,
four piss. You know, players like Sir Bruce Robertson, Joe
Morgan in the Backs, Brian Williams, Infitt Patrick. You know
it was iconic as a as a young kid getting
up and watching those All Black games, and you know,
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nice to see a tour like that back on the program.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Good on you.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
How we always appreciate your time and it's going to
be a big week or so for the Alliance group.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
All the best for next week. Up to you and eat.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
We'll talk to you then.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Don Morrison, Willibank Farmer and Alliance Boort Director. It's the
Alliance Special General Meeting happening on Monday, and we should
know by lunchtime on Tuesday that the story as far
as Dawn meets buying into the Alliance. You listened to
the Muster up next to Eric Roi reflecting on the
life and times of Jim Bulgia.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
I've gone.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
From that world.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Welcome back to the Muster, Eric Croi, as a former MP,
and of anybody who has qualified to talk about the
life and times of the late Jim Bolgia, former Prime
Minister of New Zealand, it is Eric. He served under
him with the Labor with sorry National Government FRAUDI and
slipped there Eric in the nineteen nineties and joined us
this afternoon just to talk about Jim Bolger and being
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a politician and as a person as well. Eric good afternoon,
said news coming out of Jim Bulger's household over the
past couple of days.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Yeah, he had been in very poor health I understand,
and kidney failure and he was on permanent dialozing and
this quality of life was great. So it's said that
he's gone, but yeah, he was in a position of
some suffering as well, so in some ways it's a
bit of a release.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Now.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
He was a leader of the first MMP government in
New Zealand. How would you describe him as a politician.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Well, he's an interesting guy. I think he was quite
innovative and quite courageous in many ways. And there's probably
about four reasons I could say that when he went
in in nineteen ninety I actually didn't join government till
ninety three. But you remember that we had the rod
genomics and the reforms and David Longears said time for
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a cup of tea, and they weren't completed. In Jim Bolgia.
The first thing he did was said well, we're going
to finish these reforms and got into the areas that
the previous labor government hadn't touched, the labor market and
all of those things, and he carried that on at
some political cost. But New Zealand, I believe is in
a much better place because that he actually did that.
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And then the next things that he actually did was
the first coalition government, and that was brought about because
he said, hang on, our voting system, isn't that fair
and it's predominantly party hart kind of an arrangement in parliament,
so he put a Royal Commission in place to look
at options. He didn't say we should have m MP,
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but he put the commission in place which put up
poor options, which in ninety three we voted on and
subsequently the yeah is m P the what is it?
Speaker 2 (23:41):
There was four answer.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Fraudy and slipped. The MMP was brought in and then
he organized the coalition governments. Interestingly, and the other thing
that he started was three settlements and that was good
and another illustration of his negotiating skill when he in
in ninety three with the government that the government had
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a one seat majority, which when you were at that stage,
you had to appoint a speaker, and the speaker didn't
vote because he sat there when there was a vote
ice the right knows to the left tell us this
and he couldn't vote. So that effectively left a government
that was stalled because didn't have a majority. So he
put Peter Tapsll from Labor and a speaker to be
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able to continue on. So I think he was quite
innovative and quite courageous in some of the things that
he did. As a leader of the party. I would say,
and I'm set under a few of them in my
eighteen years. He was easily the most inclusive in the
way that he ran caucus. Some of his caucuses were
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quite lengthy that he got criticism for, but everybody was
important in caucus, and at times he'd say when the
minister brought up, this is what you what we're going
to do, and if there was a bit of kickback
and caucusus, they go away and do some more work.
We're not ready for theiate. And I found them to
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be probably the best chairman of the board if the
caucuses the board while I was actually there.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Now when MMP came into fruition, were you an opponent
of it, because I remember the vote came out with
the four options. Like you say, what was the consensus
throughout the government at the time leading into it.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Yeah, well I think I think most of those in
the and would have voted against it, particularly on the right.
I was probably a supporter of single Transferable vote STV
at the time, recognizing that we needed to have a
system that was a bit more inclusive. But I think
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was third, or even might have been fourth. So I
say that was the thinking men's option. So I certainly
didn't vote for EMMP. So yeah, that's that's the sure. Interestingly,
in my first term, an another feature of Gimbolgia, I
was made a whip after I'd been there eight months
because of the era of judgment by the whip at
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the time. And then the next thing that happened shortly
after that, while I was still learning the ropes United
Future broke up with four Nationals and three Labor and
the government had lost its majority again, but they did
give what's called confidence and supply, which is, uh, yeah,
well we'll support the money going through. And in the
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course of that time that they were there, because they
were building a bit of momentum. We actually lost five
votes and when when the government loses the vote, the
whip has to go and offer the resignation. And of
the first time that happened, I said, I can't whip
these united due to people. It's not my fault. And yeah,
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he accepted. And by the time it had happened four
or five times, it didn't even report. I just probably
texted them and said that happened again. Couldn't change it,
And he was very understanding of that particular situation.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I'll take you back to his first term as Prime
Minister in nineteen ninety, a landslide victory, like you say,
the bearest of margins. What changed for the government though,
for things to change the way they did on a
political landscape.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Yeah, well, I think there's been a lot of comparisons
made as to what the government had to do then
and to what it should be doing now. And they
took the cold Turkey approach and said, right, we'll do this,
and then almost lost the next election. In fact, we
waited for Alec Neil in Wytaki to win on specials
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before we even had that one seat majority. And I
think this particular government that we've got now has been
much more cautious about taking the hard medicine. So I think,
you know, history has a few lessons and there are
some people out there now that went through the more
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hard core approach to the early nineties to saying that's
how we should do it. Now, let's deal with it
and get it over and done with, rather than pushy
foot around and try and maintain public support and not
do anything. So you know, that's probably the conundrum that
sits on top of the government now.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's interesting you mentioned Alec Neil MP for way Techie.
He took out Jim Sutton who was a Minister of
Agriculture leading into that election, and just do we byline
two the labor leaders Mike Moore took over from Sir
Jeffrey Palmer. And the reason I remember that is because
when I was at school, was in mass or something
one day and I was board, so I wrote a
letter to Jeffrey Palmer asking him why he's just being
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so negative towards the rural sector and blow me down.
He actually replied and signed the letter back as well,
So I just as so I remember that time.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
I think Jeffrey Palmer was a superb intellect, But I
think his legacy was beefing up the Select Committee so
that all of the legislation then had to go to
Select Committee for public submission. And so while we're a
unicameral house, we don't have another house. We just have
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one house. We have the strongest Select Committee process in
the world that actually deals with reports and bills and
all of that stuff. So I think that's his legacy.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Hey, Eric will leave it there.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We know you're in transit, but we do appreciate time
as always and great to hear about Jim Bulga rist
in peace.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Yep, absolutely being a good man for New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Derek Croi there reminiscing about Jim Bulgia. This is the Muster.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Before the end of the hour, Phil Duncan weather watch,
but up next, David Ladder, Let's talk this game of
rugby happening in Dunedin tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Welcome back to the Muster. David Letter.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It's fair to say he's an Otago rugby legend, one
hundred and sixty one games for the Golden o. He
was part of the nineteen ninety one NPC winning team.
They won the competition twice then and in nineteen ninety
eight and tonight they're one step closer to winning it
for a third time.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
David, Welcome to the muster. I appreciate your time.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Oh cheeerz guys.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, firstly, you put an interesting Facebook post there out
during the week they got a lot of traction urging
the Otago Rugby Union to get out to the province
to get cheap tickets and fill forcythe bar Stadium.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Do you think it's going to work?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
I think it has.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
I don't know how full it'll be, but obviously open
part of the north stand, so that means the south
stands full and the.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Zoo's open, and that's the big thing.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I suppose getting the scarf he's involved going back to
the Highlanders during O week and just getting the messes
in there because this is the semi finals. Rugby doesn't
get any better if you're an a Tago fan.
Speaker 7 (31:07):
Let's be honest, it doesn't get any better, you know,
whether a Hilands fan or a Targa fan or a
Southern fan. You know, like we're well, it's just once
you get there, it's just game on.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
And we look at the season.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Look, the Stags had their own Frilly Shield Otago's had
the shield and we look even at North Otago they're
in the semi finals of the Lahaw Cup this weekend,
so arguably it's been a successful year, although a couple
of teams probably more than the other one.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Yeah, well you look at that shield now. It just
shows there's a lot of meaning in that in that
shield still and you know how many problems are head
this year?
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Five is it?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think five? It's unreal like that.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
That's that's incredible, you know, and they've all done the
same thing. They've taken it out to the regions of
engage with people, so you know, I think it's been fantastic.
You know, I think it's one of the one of
those just iconic trophies that are about And.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
I've still got a lot of meeting with your guys there.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I mean the scenes in South of the one that
Jack Taylor just losing his rag and understandably so. But
it just shows that the passion is there for the
next gen generation coming through and that's what we need
for the MPC.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
Absolutely, you know there's something outstanding players and you know
you just mentioned one man, a young man has got
a massive future ahead of him. And you know there's
so many young guys on the block now, you know,
having a go and it's it's exciting times.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
So what is working so well for a Tago rugby
at the moment, David?
Speaker 7 (32:32):
I think you know, there's probably been a bit of
a change in probably their mindset. You know, they're obviously
a bit of change in coaching. I just think it's
whatever the mix is in there, and now at the
moment it's working, you know. So, I mean I can't
put my phone on a bit like it's if you
could bottle it up. You definitely want to.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Do that, when't you.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
We talk about the MPC and the way that it's evolved,
and it's just the game of rugby as a whole,
and we had to accept a lot of these changes.
I mean, the arguments there you could sacrifice a lot
if you could bring back rucking that don't even happen.
But you look at the game these days, David, compared
to when you played it, and I think it's fair
to say everything's just changed.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Oh absolutely. I mean, you know, you look at the
body shape. You know, the the body mass that's out
there now is probably increased by twenty to thirty percent
in some cases, so the field stayed the same size,
so you're filling you're filling the field up with more
bodies or more mass, so there's not a lot of
space there now, not a contest at ruck time, So
(33:35):
you just got to get a defense line so to me,
to me, they could probably make some subtle changes in
there to make it a contest and that would allow
a bit more space out wide for the backs. You know,
I always work on the theory of numbers, you know.
So if you're the team with the ball, you carry
it in with and you take four support players in
(33:57):
with you, the defense team's got to match you, and
I think, you know, then you start getting the contest,
you start getting a the defense folding in because they
can't stay out there, they've got a match, and then
you get space. What would be the.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Highlight from your playing career. You think back to nineteen
ninety four, remember Guard, He's rip and the T shirt
came out Blockbusters, Aeron Pino a caricature. If I'm on
the front holding the head of the spring box and
everybody at the time, it just resonated because it was
an absolute trophy to behold.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Would you call that one of the highlights from your career.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
Oh, I think just any any any trophies a highlight.
But yeah, that was I suppose, you know, it's one
of those special ones when you look at that.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
Now.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I don't think provincial unions will get that opportunity again
to play the to play the spring box. We're fortunate
enough to do that that day. And it's even like
the British Lions. You know how many teams will get
to ever play them again in the provincial union Probably
not a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, it's underest thing.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
They've come out of the All Blacks doing a full
time or of South Africa next year, announced this morning
playing the h what was the super rugby sides over there?
And I think four tests as well, So probably to
a scale we're not doing the provincial sides unfortunately that
seems to be days gone past.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
Yeah, I think, and probably it would be quite a
you know, if you're playing in financial union now, I'll
probably be a bit of a mismatch. Would be like
playing the All Backs, wouldn't it. You know, Like if
you're a provincial union it would be pretty tough. It'll
be very tough on you. But like hey, we did
it back in the day, but yeah, things of things
have changed.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
So as far as the game tonight, David, it's a
no brainer. You'll be going along.
Speaker 7 (35:36):
Oh absolutely, I got me. I've got my old shirt out, brilliant.
I'll put a bit of a request out there for
the for the for the supporters to bring a bit
of old kid out and wear it and you know,
support the boys. So hopefully it gets a bit of
a little bit of traction too.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
You'll be in the stairs.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
I can't believe Monstall fits.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I haven't put it on you.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Oh you look at you know, have your job though
to be fair that you're out on the tools every day,
still you're probably still not holding up pretty good all
things considered.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Let's be honest, well try to behave hey, good.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
On your David, appreciated your time.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
All the best of the target tonight as well, and
your let be honest, Highlanders are all barracking for you guys.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
Eh, yeah, absolutely, you know, like I just think it's
going to be a great a great game. You know,
like there two very good sides, believe me, you know,
taking a month away from the bay, Yes, they will
be very good and they got they got the stats
to prove it, you know, So I'm just looking forward
to it and I just hope the crowd gets them
behind it and whatever happens happens, and you know, we
(36:36):
can celebrate rugby either way.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Blue and Gold's going to one and hopefully it's going
to be your Targo variety. David Little thinks to your
time on the Muster.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
Oh goodness, gold Gud, thanks a lot, David Ladder.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
A tiger Rugby Royalty urging anyone going to the game tonight.
If you've got your old kit, go go and get
it out of the cabard, wear it to the game.
It's going to be a big one. A Tago bay plenty.
Before we wrap up next for the week where the Watchers,
Phil Duncan.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Pleasing legames. I've promised myself I won't do that again.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
It's got to be And before we rip up for
the week here on the Muster, let's catch up with
Peel Duncan out of Willow Watch check from the Celtic Grooves,
(37:43):
A figure around, a fear around, attraction to the rage
of ladders, Morris It.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Phil Dunkle, Welcome to Friday.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
What a great intro. Thank you very much. And yes,
yeah it's Friday.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm hoping the weather matches the mood. What have we got?
Speaker 6 (37:56):
Well, you know, it is still spring, so it's still
and down, but you know, it's not as bad as
it could be. But I'm trying to put a positive
spin on it because it's still it is still a
bit wet and a bit cold at times. We've still
got you know, highs and lows all coming through at
the moment. So the downside is that, yes, there's more
(38:16):
wet weather coming, which i think you're a bit tired of,
and we're still not done with the cold nights yet
as well in some cooler days. So on the positive
side of all of that is that from a big
picture point of view, looking at the whole country, we
are seeing a lot of the windy weather and the
cold weather sink further and further southwoods. But of course
(38:37):
you've been the southernmost region. You're still in the thick
of it to some degree. But it is changing. We
are seeing as from a nationwide point of view, and
not just here. From an Australian point of view as well,
they are seeing some heat sinking south woods. It's going
to be thirty three degrees in Sydney today, probably thirty
five out in Paramatta in the west, and then they've
got that again on Monday. So like it properly going
(39:00):
into summer. But even Australia is still getting bursts of cold,
wintery weather. So from a big picture point of view,
we are doing all the right things as we slide
towards summer. But for Southland it still means sun, rain,
showers and a lot of wind coming from the west,
which means the temperatures are flash They're not hot, they're
not cold, but they're kind of still in that middle
(39:21):
ground where you've got a number of days coming up
with daytime highs between sort of twelve to thirty degrees,
so not hot or warm like maybe some other areas
around the country are.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
We're getting a couple of days where the temperatures of
beautiful mid to late teens. We've got blue skies, but
it's two days in a row. Where are we going
to see a hat trick?
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah, might be.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
I think we might be having to wait until the
very end of the month or going into November. What
we're seeing, actually the labor weekend is a fair bit
of high pressure moving across the country and so Southland
at this stage doesn't look too bad. The air pressure
is going up a wee ait that weekend as well,
and further northwards there is a lot of high pressure
moving into New Zealand, so that's a bit of a change.
(40:02):
So if you're heading away for the long weekend, there
might be some good news, but yeah, it's at the moment.
What's happening is we don't really have the high pressure
zones over the top of you. They're running over the
north of New Zealand and then in the coming week
they'll track a little further into the North Island. So
there is an improvement, but because you're on the edges
of it, still not quite yet seeing a big improvement.
(40:23):
In fact, there could be a rain event next week
with maybe thirty millimeters coming through as we go through
What day was that Tuesday? Wednesday? Around about there, So
we're not completely out of the woods yet, but we are,
as I say, overall, seeing some improvements.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Are the ones going to be south westerly or are
we going to be sticking with these northwesters at least
with northwesterlies as warmer.
Speaker 6 (40:43):
Yeah, there's a lot of westerlies in the flow. Pretty
much every wind direction of every day has a w
with it. But some days it might be like today
it's a north northwesterly, which is basically a normally to northwesterly.
Tomorrow it's westerly, Sunday's westerly, Monday northwester again, and then
as we go through Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, it is a
west to northwest when so a lot of westerlies in there.
(41:06):
And you know, like I say, temperatures, daytime temperatures, Today
is the warmest day of the next week, whether around
eighteen degrees or so, but the weekend thirteen to fifteen degrees,
and then next week eleven to thirteen degrees right through
until next weekend, and the overnight lows. Tonight's a mild night,
ten degrees is the overnight low, but tomorrow night down
(41:27):
to two, so we might see some light frost around.
It won't be very much late. The frosts are pretty
much disappearing now, but they're possible white bit of frost
here and there. And then as we go into next week,
a lot of overnight lows sort of seven to eight degrees,
six degrees, and then next weekend a bit colder again,
down to three or four. So it's not brutal, it's
(41:47):
not really mild. It's just in that middle ground, really,
which is what October really is.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
So what you're saying is the second half of spring
is going to be a continuation of what we've seen.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Unfortunately, well it might be.
Speaker 6 (41:59):
To be with, but I'm still holding up a bit
of hope for what November brings us. I keep saying
this that you know, we've been in the same ware
the pattern since about the middle of August, so we've
had a couple of months now of a fairly relentless
wad of pattern. So that's kind of textbook in some ways.
So when you get to November, usually a little bit
of energy comes out of the weather that we're getting
(42:22):
and we get a bit more high pressure moving through.
So that's the thing I'm looking for at about a
week's time from now, or maybe a little bit just
after Labor weekends, just trying to work out what is
November looking like, because that helps shape what we're going
to be seeing going into December. So that's what I'll
be looking for in about a week's time. So hopefully
when we talk next week although maybe it just might
(42:42):
be after Labor weekend to kind of work out what
is November's where the pattern, because that is going to
be a critical sort of component to working out what
is summer looking like at this stage, and it's too
early to see what some is looking like this year
because we've got, as I said, classic spring going on.
We've got the stratospheric warming over Antarctica, which has just
(43:02):
made us spring a little more westerly driven, a little
more spring like. And then on top of that, we've
got a weak Lardinia trying to form up in the tropics,
and so there are a few different moving parts, and
sometimes when you've got a lot of moving parts like that,
you end up with just a really normal weather patch
over the top of us. So it's a little tricky
to work out sometimes in our location on Earth long
(43:25):
range stuff. But that's what we're looking for later next week,
is what is the first half of November looking like
and will there finally be a change to what we've
had for the last two months.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
A weak Ladininia as a Latininian nonetheless it is, but
again it's measured.
Speaker 6 (43:41):
At the tropics, and we're halfway from the Tropics to Antarctica,
so if it's a weak Blardinia, it may not even
really affect us this far south. So that's why the
southern stratospheric warming over Antarctica this year is making a
bit of a difference, because if it's going to make
those westly stronger, then Larninia's easterly they not really be felt.
(44:01):
They might get bulldozed away by the westerly circling the
Southern Ocean in the New Zealand area. So that's why
there are a few moving parts and at some point
one of those might win. But a week line Meania
sometimes doesn't do anything at all to New Zealand, so
it's not necessarily going to drive in a big change
to us, not yet anyway.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Fieldakin of weather Watch, we always appreciate your time on
the muster.
Speaker 6 (44:24):
Have a good weekend, They.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
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Speaker 1 (44:33):
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Speaker 2 (44:37):
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Speaker 1 (44:40):
He tells a dumb blonde joke when a young platinum
head beauty jumps to her feet.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
What gives you the right to stereotype blondes that way?
Speaker 1 (44:46):
She demands, What does my hair color have to do
with my worth as a human fluster the ventroiler quest
begins to stare and apologizes. She owes, hey, you keep
out of this. I'm talking a bit jerk on your knee.
That's our stumblers for the afternoon. Enjoy the rag me
if you're heading up to for so fast and I
(45:06):
had to tago by a plenty of course. Kenterbury, Hawkspader Murray,
the Simmis of the NPC. My name's Andy Muerliston and
the muster on hockin New he thanks for Peterson Nick's
podcast going up shortly and remember the best of the
Muster five am tomorrow, see you Monday.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
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