November 23, 2025 • 43 mins
Andy Muir talks to Jon Pemberton, Eric Roy, Nigel Johnston, Simon Hopcroft and Paul Miller.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Peter's Genetics.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Every drop means quite a lot when it's from Peter's Genetics.
Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakannui. My
name is Andy mo here until two o'clock, of course,
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saying so Peter's Genetics. Welcome along to a rather pleasant
afternoon here in ge Towns. Look over the main street
and there is sunshine and abundance. Actually a bit of
cloud color. We'll talk with it shortly, but look Jamie
talking about it on the country before the Southern Storm
shout Happening this Thursday at the Woodhead Farm, a levels
flat halfway between Milton and Balcluther from three o'clock. The
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Emerson's Tiny Pubs going to be there, the Spate spar
as well. The Milton Lions are menting the barbie with
Silver and Farms giving the meat as well for the barbecue.
The Milton Lions have a van booked sorry to give
people a ride home, and the Milton Bowclouth Lawrence Airia
plus a endz with a coffee an ice cream cart.
So it's a great chance to get off farm this
Thursday and go and have a catch up of people
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and have a brew there. That's happening in Nigel Woodheads Farm.
The music for a Monday afternoon is the Human League,
not not Human League, but the Human League on five
day four.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:25):
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dot nz. So Monday afternoon is giving us sunshine with
light soil westerlies and a higher fifteen Tuesday cloudy like
nor easteries thirteen and twenty one, Wednesday Sunday with brisk
northerlies eleven and twenty three, Thursday morning showers of breezy
northwesterlies ten and twenty two, and very similar on Friday
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morning shells of northwesterlies once again six and seventeen. I
saw temperatures to hand Clinton fourteen point fourth, Harriet thirteen
point three, Riveton thirteen point five, t Our thirteen point six,
Titaroa teen point three, Winton twelve point no sorry, Winton
is thirteen point one of Woodland's twelve point one. John
Pembleton starting us off from the Sergeant Dan farming round
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up for a Monday, of course, Nuffield's scholar this year,
John tows Us how the year's been from that viewpoint.
Eric Roy and the political roundup, looking at the pork industry.
A lot of happenings going on there recently. Nigel Johnson
farms at Mabel Bush, so we have a catch up
and see how Nigel's fared over the past six weeks.
Simon Hotcraft of South of Rural Support Trust is on
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the show for a young as well, and Paul Miller
wraps up the rugby season which came to its conclusion
for the Southern Hemisphere last night. From yesterday from an
all back's perspective anyway, with the windover Wales, so about
further ado. We'll start the y hour with John Pembleton.
You're listening to the Muster until two o'clock thanks to
Peter Genetics. Seven after one Man John Peabanton farms at
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means He's fairy and joins us this afternoon and the
Sergeant Dan Farming round up. Of course sanks to Sergeant
Dan stock food here and Gorde John O. Good afternoon, how.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Saints, Yeah, good ended you have your weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Had a great weekend. Actually we went and cut out
a heaver of Christmas shopping Saturday morning. Did in the
afternoon I went to watch Koey play a bit of
cracket down there, and obviously with Koy Kuoey and yesterday
it was pretty cool. Went out there, helped to make
with some weaning and the young fellow came out there
and yeah, went home and I was pretty much just
coughing up dried up sheep dung for the next five hours.
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But that's just what you do. It was good fun.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Reminding the old days, mate.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh, it does absolutely But look, you talk about technology
off the cuff, and oh man, the way hand piece
evolution has come around, especially from the days of having
a big digging plant. You got a number eight wire
strung up and just dragging it along, and you've got
cords and you might have bolshy two des or something
dragged the down troupe and drag you the length of
the race. But not anymore. You just got a listy
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empowered hand piece. Just have it in your pocket and
just go through the mob and didn't and dag as
you please. It was revolutionary.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah, I've just recently we've got a heap of cheap,
cheap feelingsy for tituts and only fences on a on
a new property and it's got four or five k's
a sheep being.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Eaving to do, and of fencing I find is quite
I quite enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And but no, Milwaukee, you've got a got quite a
cool we contraption of just an electric paired stafle gun.
That's sort of been my early Christmas present.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It's been fantastic yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How things been. We haven't spoken for a while and
quite a bit as occurred.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, so I managed to get back. I was on
my GP.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It was supposed to be a five week trip and
that got scuffled when we got to Italy with the
storm in south and just resources getting stretched a bit
hard at home, so sort of made it last minute,
called a hop on a planets. So there's femine rubbish
coming the following week, so that was sort of the
clinch and the decision really shot home. Two weeks at home,
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got caught up on things and then I had a
messy away and have a week in Victoria, Australia with
the meatback up the crew. That was your last week
of travel. It was really good. I've never done Australia
before and just really enjoyed the business we visited and
just the diversification Victoria. Really, I was very surprised, you know,
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it was quite random seeing vineyards in the corner of
Sarah cropping farms and there was olive grows and a
lot of right through to market access from those farmers.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
They weren't just selling.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Commodities went through JBS. One of the milling plants are
processing north of two hundred thousand a year of feed.
A lot of that's going into the pigs and chickens,
and that was first nating to a lot of peg
farms helped me now under a very sort of being
managed under the Bawler system that we're have in zeal And,
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where the processes like JBS owns the feet owns the pegs,
the farmer owns the infrastructure, and the farmer manages while
that line of finishing those winders happens. And I thought
there's actually a quanttersting model to be run. And I
guess probably the takeaways I saw was the scale of
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arable over there. Family succession lot to be a challenge
a lot of us keep building the businesses rather than
making sure that there were ring fencing properties as they went.
They just sort of kept building on mass, but also
a lot of people just want to come home and
drive the tractor with Audostier and all the toys. No
one was actually willing to roll up their sleeves and
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get some picture or careshit on the elbows. Because that's
where I saw the opportunity for young farmers was to
year back into the livestock game. That's where the return
seemed to be, but just didn't seem to They were
saying they weren't making two They were sort of battling
with some of the profits. But maybe those haven't bad
enough yet to shift that that thinking.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So it's a mindset with the younger people as such.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I think so yeah, I think I think there's huge
opportunity for the cropping farmer over bed and the great
livestock system within his farm gate. You know that the
price of fertilizer and inputs they kept saying was what
was making things tough. Well, if they had the livestock
system withinside the gate that their feed could go directly into,
then that they sort of create the loof of nutrients.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So yeah, I just yeah, huge opportunity over that's for sure.
But you know, there was certainly some innovation happening. Most
guys had a large shed on their farm and they
spent half their time building stuff and adapting stuff rather
than going and buying especialized bit of equipment. So it
was Yeah, it did kind of remind me of what
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we would have done maybe three years ago and Yu
Zealand before we had access to European markets for that
year a bit cheaper what we have now, but there's
still pretty cool stuff coming out and seeing what they
were achieving in that space.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
With all this travel, you must be sick of the
side of airports.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I threw the.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Passport and the drawer the other day and I think, yeah,
it'll be at least six months before that comes out again,
if not a year. Just that you just learned to
tune out, like it's surprising how well you can adapt,
Like when they came back from Italy, you know, I
was sort of went to bed at eight o'clock one
night and got back up at four the next and
didn't really suffer from the too much.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
From the jet leg And.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, it's amazing condition your south to all those flights
and not affect you too much.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So that pretty much concludes your nothing, your commitments.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, So that's all my travel done and now I'm
just going to sit down a knuckle out a solid
report at the end and that what's including that is
a fifteen minute presentation at the by Ann your Nuffield
Conference of the Cargo happening into February coming so probably
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the big months between field Day's Lamb Day and that
conference happening. So it'll be quite cool. Get to host
a few newfield friends down in the Cargo while that's
all happening at the end of February.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It'll be great.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So would you recommend people going for the Maffield Scholarship
as such, Johno, based on.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Your yet, Yeah, absolutely. I think anyone that is looking
for is inquisitive and looking for answers and thinks that
they might have a curly one that no one's really
looked at. Absolutely put your hand up for the twenty
twenty seven round. And even even if that feels like
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that it's a too big a leafing commitment. Just looking
to the raw leaders programs, I've got the Barely Chain
Tour which happens in start of March from memory, sorry January,
actually in the January, and then it goes through the
Kiwi Fruit, Apple's red meat dairy sectors of New Zealand
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from the farm to the consumer that's run the North
Island over over a week to nine days. Then itself
is a really great place to connect with people. But
it's a full on the long days, but you get
so much out of it and it really helped me
with my approach and enough who I was traveling. But yeah,
the Raw Leaders program. If people would just want to
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see how they can grind and develop, just look into
New Zealand Rule Leaders and there's a number of different
programs there to help people with the growth their business
and personal growth.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Good on your John, I always appreciated your time on
the Muster. This is the last time we chat for
twenty twenty five, dear or say it so you and
the family enjoy the festive season and we'll chat in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, mate, Mike bum And and Tiana this summer.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Cheers John Pemberton. Thanks for sagin Dan Stock Food's based here. Gore.
Eric Roy is up next in the political segment for
a Monday Afternoon Welcome back to the Muster on Hakanui.
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Eric Roy, former MP, as well as having a number
of portfolios amongst his name these days as well, environment
South and Counselor amongst them. Joins us once again, Eric,
good afternoon, How are thanks?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Oh yep, good afternoon, and good afternoon listeners. Yep, got
a bit of growth at your now. Now we can
see pass waving in the wind. So we've kind of
turned a week corner there, so I'm see him pretty
good really.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So what's the ground situation in general? Though it feet is.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Okay, it's still getting a lot of rain. I had
a bit of a looker on Saturday there, but I
just decided she was a bit wet for the discs
as about a third of every pedic. I thought, oh no,
I can't go around, so we'll wait, but gravity or
keep it there. I'll get it done before Christmas.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So you're not freshing about it not being done. It
will happen.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Freshing doesn't solve any problems here. Any threading solve any problems.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, so we called this a Panteine effect. It won't
happen overnight, but it will happen.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, it's going to happen. Don't worry. I'm on the case.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Or there we gave there's nothing to fear Eric is here. Look,
we'll talk about this. We had Sean Malloy on the
program yesterday last week, our pig farming correspondent and what's
happening in the pork industry, and he was really buoyant
about the state of the industry as such. But the
issue around Naywak and the code of conduct around Pharao
wind Crates doesn't seem to go away.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, I think it hairs. I think what we've got
now are some people that say we weren't listened to,
But there's a good reason why they weren't listened to it.
Can I just give a hands up to Andrew Hoggard
who actually said, listen, I'm not happy with the work
that's been done by the original Naywack team and we
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need to address this. So and I think he's landed
in a pretty good place. The partner that's got everybody
weave it Upsee it is actually the ten years he's
given people to enact what the new rules are. I think, look,
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if you look at what's happened in Europe, where they're
also addressing this but not coming out with such a
vigorous change. They're sort of twelve to nineteen years to
change over. There was quite a bit of money involved,
but m key. Some of the decisions that original Naywack
team made were just a nonsense. And whilst they some
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of the animal rights groups and our stress animal rights
and not animal welfare groups have come out and said,
well he's listened to the farmers. Well they just know,
we just totally included the farmers. And they brought out
just an unbelievable regime that no one was doing anywhere
in the world. And in order like an economic unit,
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pig unit is three hundred soells and in order to
effect the changes that were required in that original report
from NIWAK was about two point six million dollars for
a farm of three hundred seals, and no one was
doing it anywhere in the world. And some of the
things were just an absolute nonsense, the spatial stuff and
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some rules like weaning pigs. You're not allowed to wean
pigs till they were five weeks old. Well, it's not
about how old they are, it's about how big they are.
And if your pigs, your little pigs, are over six
and a half kilos, they wreck the others of the
cells and you end up with mastitis. And we've got
people getting pigs to that way in eighteen to twenty days.
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So it look it was an absolute nonsense. And so
what Andrew Hoggett said, the MPI listen, sort out what
is important, what works, and where we go. And whilst
the pharrowing crates are still there, they're only allowed for
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four or five days after the sow has had her piglets.
And that's the case. And the other thing I'd say
about the whole approach that the Naywak team took was
the welfare and interest of what the sow wants to do.
And if she wants to tremble on her babies, that's
her expressing herself. She wants to eat them, she can
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do that. So if you didn't have the confined pharrowing
for those first five days or so, it's about two
little pigs a litter that get crushed or eaten or
stood on. And you know, if you take the number
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of soubercy, that's thirty thousand little pigs that are getting killed.
And I'm sure the little pigs would have a view
about whether that was a good idea or not. Probably
a better idea than some of the people that were
saying it did happened.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, it seems as though Eric Naywak had people involved
who had no skin in the game of such and
that was the concern. No farmers and the lights actually
involved withnywork for pizza.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Well, no, I'd say there were some people there. There
were vets in that there, but another previous administration. And
I challenged Stu Nash on this, and I know quite
well when he was in Parma. I said, look, you've
put on people that are animal rights people. They're not
animal wealthy people, they're not practitioners. And coming out with
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some really really unusual stuff, he said, who did that?
And you guys did. Now the other thing about some
of those people were they were quite aggressive people in
my mind, And so if you've got to rational argument going,
the rational people just got sick of aggression in the
argument in my view. So I just think it got
all of it too difficult to just engage in the
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debate and land in the right place. And when you're
having these debates, yes, you need the spectrum of all
the ideas there, but unless you've got the farming fraternity there,
you're not going to land in the middle in the
right place. And unless you've got sort of a process
which acknowledges every view and measures them against science, you're
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not going to end in the right place either. And clearly,
in my view, the original Nwork Committee was short on
those qualities in order to come up with a reasonable decision.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now where it came out this morning the MP rich
list was out. There's three hundred and seventy nine million
dollars that members of Parliament and New Zealand have tied
up in property. A few commentators are saying this is
where a conflict of interest can come into play. Is
that the case?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, I don't believe so. Like you had to do
a register of assets everybody that I filled one in
every year or every three years when you're elected, or
I don't know, it might be every year now in
case you've changed, and it just lets people know. And
what it does is if you've got shares in a
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company or something and that's coming up, then you've got
to absent yourself and declare a conflict of interest. And
famously a Laboring peak called Michael Woods didn't do that
when he was a cabinet minister and he was worn
twelve times. You need to put this stuff into a
blind trust that you're not in control of. And he
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refused in a customer's job. So it's really just to
protect conflict of interest. And I would say, you know,
it's an open system, everybody can see who did what,
and it also got to declare any gifts you've got
and make sure that everything's above board and it's citing
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an appropriate way to actually do it. The other commune
I would would say, is that do you want people
who don't have a dollar to their name running the
country or people who have been successful and just have
all we think about that and the intellect and qualities
they bring to decision making if they've been successful or that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. Eric,
And the irony being Michael Wood has put his name
in the hat to go back into parliament next to weeks.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
All is forgiven. I'd recognize my eras so it will
be interesting to see. Well, it's going to be one
to watch on the night that one because Mount Rascal
the Chung is it a guy that talk it? Hey,
we never have well national not say we the National
Party isn't for a number of decades, so it'll be
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in interesting to see whether he's forgiven or not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You're certainly going to be interesting in the lead up
to the next election. Eric, always appreciate your time. Good one,
Eric Roy and the political round up up next, Nigel Johnston.
This is the muster. Nigel Johnston farms at Mabel Bush
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and joins us on the muster on this afternoon, which
is it's a reasonably pleasant We're perfectly honest here and
gore anyway, Nigel, good afternoon, Mabel Bush. How are conditions
good being sandy?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Wow, it's not quite haymaking weather, but will definitely motion grass.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So it's better than what it was a couple of
weeks ago. It's fair to say.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Last three weeks have been magic. We have been growing
close to one hundred a day, so we've ripped up
a few bit of grass on the dairy farm end
from the people we buy Beiligion for our wintering, so
by Friday we'll have probably two thirds of our winter
feed purchased and made and stored on fans. It's a
really nice feeling to.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hear, well, that's really good going. I'm hearing maxed reports
around feed covers in Southend at the moment, it's either
a feast or a famine by the all accounts.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah, it's certainly been a challenge and extual. I knew
you'd ask, so I had a look through my records.
That October was really quite problematic for us. It put
us in a position we were as I think last
time we were talking.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It was as lower covers.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
As we were running the previous season, and because things
were so wet, we didn't have all that surface flooding,
but did some real damage, pasted your damage. It was
rough on caws and then all of a sudden the
sun came out and we're back in the game.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So you're pretty much pumping with production.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Then, well as much as you do on once a day. Yeah, no,
there's no weld breeding acut production. But we're we're sort
of seven percent ahead on a daily basis, monthly basis
in for the season. So it's looking like it could
be a really good one. Hopefully the summer looks after us.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, sounds that way. And a little bit of a
correct let's be honest, corrections and the GDT over the
past couple of months, let's be honest, and the payout
may be reduced a bit, but then nonetheless are still
looking pretty deeper.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Our business philosophy as long as though the six backs,
life's pretty sweet, so we've got a reasonable buffer in there.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Thank you, pretty safety And.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, I think we're sploading here is with the correction,
but I know internationally the things you read out of.
Obviously had a couple of Irish Exchange students day last
week and it's it's pretty darmer some of the things
that that facing. It's obviously the exchange rate helping us
in in the biggie for us for the high debtloading
as interest rates coming down makes it messive difference to
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our bottom law.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So under reything you bring Ireland into the equation, what's
the big is she's there at the moment.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Well, those were young girls that had come over and
didn't exchange it at Lincoln and succession planning was highest
on their priority price of land, profitable of farming. But
what you read in the media is there's some real
talk putting pushing milk prices down, And what concerns me
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is they're actually not talking like a really significant drop
in milk price, and it's really rattling the cage. I'd
be really concerned if it was our business.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Did they have any comments at all regarding Doorn Meats
buying into the Alliance Group.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
We didn't get into that one, but I'm actually starting
to feel really quite positive about it. That's the meat
schedules high, and it seems to have changed the real
the nature of the conversation around meat companies. It'd be
nice to have a strong, strong player, and they're keeping
the price up for farming.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The big ones. We had four and a half weeks
ago there at may Be Bush.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
How did you fear personally?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
On some quite good We lost a couple of trees,
lost a bit of clear light off the cow shed.
Unfortunately it was directly over the switchboard. You know, every
time there's a problem that seems to multiply.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But we were set.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Up when we bought the rotary cow shed. I was
always concerned if we had a power cup, how would
we get KOs off the platform. So we've set up
with a generator and so milking times were consistent for us,
and from honest about it self, can actually went down
and production went up. We are and we are in
peak lactation, so that sort of it was really good.
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It definitely brought the community together. So we found the
generator out around a few other our neighbors and brings
down the road to help them get through. There's certainly
some streets in the community and it was not to
be able to do it be there and help right.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So, last time we spoke to you, you were looking
for water on the ground, new bars and the lights.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
How how did you ender got a massive invoices heading
my way. But we've got a good supply of water,
so I'm very happy about that. Yeah, I think last
time we were talking might have been at I was
hoping to get water at less than one hundred meters.
Last time I was talking, we were about one hundred
and eighty and it was looking dubious. At two hundred
and four we hit water, so I was very happy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, there's better than two hundred and five. I suppose.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Well, we actually kept drilling to two fifty five and
we haven't. We haven't found some decent gravel. So I
think if we just pump it slowly, we won't stuck
too much to end up. And it's there's that much water,
I think it's going to really right side our business.
I'm looking forward to going on summer holiday and not
even thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Absolutely, but that's a long way to go to find water.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
At the same time, Stout asking the question, lots of
people have had to do it go deep, and it's yes,
and it comes with its own challenges. We're just trying
to work out how to pump it most effectively. The
water table actually came back up to forty five meters,
so we were very lucky there. So we're yeah, trust
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world problems how we get there of the ground now, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Is, but you took, like I say, those numbers are
well their mind bothering almost how far down the under
the water under the ground is such having to go
Nigel Jeepers.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, in context, it's an eighty thousand dollars hole. So
I'm pleased that actually had water in the bottom of it,
because that's the other thing is it may not of
when we got down there far and that wouldn't have
been good for my personality.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, you would have been pretty nervous. It'll be like
out on the bearing sea hoping the crabs coming up
in the pots.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
That is correct, it's a.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Coin of phrase, is such. So but like you say
it's just about infrastructure and just solidifying things for the
summer because we all know what the seasons can be like, right.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
And I think it protects the capital value of the
business as well. If we were able to put her
on the market, it'd be nice to hand on heart
say she's all set, need to go. Then it certainly
feels like that now, So what.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Was your water systems like prior to this?
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Good, but lacking in capacity, so we had to pump
our ball very slowly. So we had enough wader on
a daily basis, but if we had a water leak,
it could take three or four days for everything to
catch back up again, and that just unnecessary stress on
the other farm team. Yeah, this would be quite nice
to be able to fix problems quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Absolutely, and there's nothing to stress about when you've got
a bit of a mild Monday afternoon to contemplate Nigel Johnson.
Always appreciate your time on the muster. You enjoy the afternoon,
Nigel Johnson of Mabel Bush. He found water having to
go feel underground, but got to do what you've got
to do. I suppose right up next Simon Hotcraft on
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behalf of South and Dural Support Trust. This is a
muster on hakannuis. Simon Hotcroft is the chair of the
South and Rural Support Trust. Of course, over the past
couple of weeks we've been catching up with different farmers
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and people involved in rural industries talking about mindset after
the wind of Wind events of coming up five weeks
ago this week and just how they're what they do
basically to negate times of trying I suppose, and of
course this is in conjunction with Community Trust South as well.
Thanks very much for their support. S I'm a good afternoon.
Always good to catch up. How are you going, Andy,
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You're going pretty good mate. Look, yeah, we've been doing
this campaign for the past couple of weeks. Been interesting
to get the perspectives from people involved in different parts
of the sector.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
No, it's been really good and I appreciate your acknowledging
the Community Trust South for their contribution Andy, along with
roal support. It's been good to do. It's been a
good week program. And yeah, I think I think over
the last two weeks that we've done at some great
messaging from in particular from the farmers that have provided
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input and then it was good to have Mark Petterson
on the other day just to provide a wee bit
of perspective from sort of that central government end. But no,
thanks very much. I think it's gone well.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, I talked to Mark about this the other day.
We mentioned it briefly off fair Simon, and that is
regarding rural connectivity and the lack of cell phone network.
They're talking about three G going offline. This is something
that needs needs to get pushed.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Oh, absolutely, And we had a stakeholder meeting last week
with a sort of quarterly meeting for the Trust and
it came through from some feedback from our stakeholders as
that was the biggest issue to get comms out an
air end but also their end. So first things first
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is to really push make sure that we're sending that
messaging down and getting that sorted.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So is that the big thing from a South and
Ural Support Trust viewpoint at the moment. A bit of
a reflection on what's occurred and what change is going forward.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Yeah, we were able to take the opportunity, I guess
from you know, from looking back, and in last week
we had a good debrief as a trust to say, well,
you know, what could we actually do better to through
that response period, I suppose, and then also getting that
stakeholder input around what they've seen and what they thought
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went well and you know, what could be done better,
and then the Emergency Management South and we're in that
rown in that stakeholder meeting as well, so we were
able to provide some feedback then, but we're actually doing
a sort of I guess we'll go through into a
post event review from a trust perspective and then be
able to sort of feed that back to Emergency Management
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South and then hopefully we can you know then actually
when we go on to another event, actually be better prepared.
And as a trust, we've definitely got opportunities to be
better prepared going into another event, and certainly the calm
side of it was challenging, and I think that's as
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one that we can get pretty good runs on the
board by getting that sorted, and.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
That would help out a lot. So yeah, a.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Lot of the farmers I'm speaking to at the moment, Simon,
they've acknowledged the situation, but they're just having to carry
on with the farm where I can realize, and they've
just got a bit of a missionary here to get
their infrastructure back up to speed. Will that be about right?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Being on andy basically most farmers have sort of either
come up with a plan and are waiting on maybe
contractors to come in and do some of the heavy
lifting stuff, and then some have already got in and
had a bit of a cleanup. It was sort of
eighty percent through a cleanup on farm but just set
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negally little stuff to finish off and get some fences
tied it up. But yeah, I guess it's those that
are wait on contractors. Just be patient. They are busy
and they've obviously got other things they do as part
of their contracting business as well, so this is sort
of an extra load on them, so I guess, but
just be weary that they're busy as well.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Now Southland Rural Riders and Surfing for Farmers they're back
up and running again. So it's an out with the
people this week. If you're wanting to take a bit
of a break, there are certainly ways to get out
there and have a bit of a reset as such.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yeah, absolutely so Surfing for Farmers starts Thursday at six.
That'll Katerina will post up where that'll be one of
those three beaches based around sort of Riverton and ye
Rural Riders. Ural Riders started maybe two weeks ago, I
think so O Wednesday night made it bet South at
Winton at six thirty and great to get those underway
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for the summer and we'll look forward to seeing a
few along to that.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
One of the other things we've got coming up with
obviously field Days, Southern field Days in February actually, and
we've got a bit of a fundraiser going on there
in conjunction with Adam Newton Homes, so he's kindly offered
us an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Build a house.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
That will be auctioned at field Days, so he'll do
that at cost and some of the suppliers have provided
some products that are cheaper. So really looking for to
see how that rolls through come field Days.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
And I suppose the final thing is as well, like
just regarding self and real support for just the number
for people to get in touch is eight hundred and
seven eight seven two five four. Somebody needs like they
feel like they need to have a conversation, that phone
has always taken care.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Of, right, Yeah, absolutely, that's the fine number and you
strictly confidential service. Our operational team or help out at
the end of that and they do a great job
and so make sure you know that people can either.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Refer the use of that or just call yourself good only.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
As Simon always appreciated your time on the muster. We'll
catch up again and like I say, thanks to South
and Ural Support Trust and as well Community Trusts South
being involved over the past couple of weeks a lot
of great information was shed.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Thanks Andy, much appreciated cheer.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Simon Hotcraft South and Ural Support Trust Chair. Just on
that note as well, of course the Southern Storms Shout
happening this Thursday in November the twenty seventh at Nigea
what Heads Farm at Levels Flat, halfway between Milton and Bellcluther.
From three o'clock. Emerson's tiny Pub's going to be the
Spates Bar, silverfar and Farm's got the Barbie, Milkton Lions
giving you right home in the South Otago region and
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coffee and ice cream there is courtesy of A and Z.
So that's happening Thursday afternoon up at nigel what Heads Farm.
Paul Miller's up next to talk a bit of rugby
before we wrap up for the hour. Welcome back to
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Speaker 9 (35:29):
Afternoon, Andy, I'm not too bad, just another bad Monday
up here in Dunedin.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, as we slowly but surely get towards the Christmas season,
which means rugby is over and done with the ill Wex.
They got the win over Wales yesterday. But there was expected, right.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
Yeah, I definitely was expected.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
But it was also pleasing to see some of the
players who probably had limited game time that were able
to sort of get out and have a bit of
a run and stretch of your legs. Talking about likes
of the policed Careffe Wallace to Titi and the young
and the wee half back there call Teas Ratama. So yes,
it was a kind of a game that was expected
to win, but there's also chances for Scott Robinson to
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play these sort of you know, the second tier players.
I mean, man, you want to call Anton Lenar Brown
the second tier, but you know he's off on a
sabbatical next year. But it just sort of gave that
whole sort of a squad a run. And what's also
exciting was the All Black fifteen as well were being
able to tour over in Europe too, So yes, the depth
is going to be tested, but obviously I think we're okay.
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We're pretty healthy at the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So how would you rate the All Blacks season overall?
Ten wins, three losses, but those three losses are pretty telling.
Argentina away for the first time. They got destroyed by
the Box in Wellington and they did it front against
England at Twickenen.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
The All Blacks always carried that expectation of the you know,
of a performance performance but also winning at the same time.
Key we don't like the All Blacks when they lose,
and obviously the knives come out. However, we've got to
understand that, you know, there are combinations that need to
be sort of you know, given a chance, and obviously
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with the depth that we've got and I'm pretty sure
that Scott Robinson is looking forward to the World Cup
in a couple of years time. So this squad, along
with the All Black fifteen, I think there is some
making sen it's just trying to iron out a few
of these positions. And you know, I am disappointed and
obviously of those losses as well, but we're probably missing
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an exceptional kind of big blockbusting ball runner and it's
just South Africa.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
You know, those guys.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
Are mountain men and you know, for us to compete
in that level, and I think that's also comes.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Back also with Super Rugby.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
How South Africa once they left their competition, I don't
think the Super Rugby standards at their level was what
it was.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, that's a fair observation. Eliot Smith said exactly the
same last week Hog after the loss of twicking them.
But we looked at the position of number ten Richie
Mulwanga coming back next year. Scott Robertson's got all his
zs in the one basket, or so it seems. What
happens if this doesn't.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Work out with Richie Mwanga, I think he could probably
slot in there. But it's also detrimental for what are
you going to do with Damian McKenzie and Bowden Barrett.
I mean, I think that the likes of Reuben Love,
he took his chance against Wales.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Albeit against Wales, however.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
You know that he's definitely an option. And now you've
got these competitive aspects with these key positions. And you know,
Boden Barrett he probably didn't have the best poor England.
He was a bit he's quite waeful, made you know,
quite a few unknown mistakes with Boden Barrett, so you
know he'll certainly feel that pressure. And DAMEI McKenzie, you
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know that that door was sort of open for him,
but now he's got Richie Munger knocking on that door again, so.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
You know it will we either make or break these players.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
I mean, that's what competition's about. And these players know
how to obviously they have to stand up.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
How are you concerned about the changes to the old
Lex coaching personnel.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
You mean talking to Jason Holland leaving, yes, yes, yes,
you know we're not inside that coaching camp. We don't
exactly know what's specifically going on for however, is obviously
some sort of you know, unwillingness or unhappiness. They're from
key coaches and obviously it started with Liam McDonald. Let's
(39:24):
let's be honest. Obviously him and Scott Robinson obviously didn't.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
See eye to eye. But yeah, there's probably kind.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
Of a an aspect there from Raiser or from Scott Robertson.
That's you know, sometimes what he says some other coaches don't.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Agree, and that's that's part of it.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
That's part of having these you know, exceptional coaching panels,
and you know, you've all sort of got to get
off if you can't. If you can't, then it's probably
not your time in the in the coaching area.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
When we look at the positives, we look at halfback,
we look at the emergence of Holland and Lord has
lucks this year and we're two years out from the
next Rape World Cup. How would you say we're tricking overall?
Speaker 9 (40:03):
I think we're okay, we're probably not probably not one
hundred percent say that we're definitely in the running. But
you know, you look at the lights of Simon Park,
I mean we don't really you don't really tend to
hear his name. However, he does get through a lot
of work and you know, I'm always.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
A big believer also with Christian Leo Willy.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Too, and it's unfortunately he didn't get a game in
the weekend, but you mentioned those names as well. But look,
it's all all a growth and you know, I think
we've got to be excited this all Black fifteen team.
We don't tend to say too much, but like there's
some hell of a good players in there. And you know,
our homeboy there, Jack Taylor, He's definitely one to watch
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as well to come in here. So putting pressure on
obviously Sammersonian Cody and Cody Taylor and the lights. So
but I think definitely there is some good resource in Fabian.
What is our standing season he's had, He's such the
he's such exceptional professional here.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Now we're look you head to super Rugby, Siluis Whollaway Yoga.
But we can't help they just have a little peak
through that door. The Highlanders though, they seem to have
got a pretty good squad together, especially with a Tiger
going so well in the MPC. I would like to think, so, yeah, that's.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
That's fundamental, the likes of what used to happen in
the old times. Absolutely, I was playing you know, you know,
your provincial team.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Was successful and it's sort.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Of bode well for the super rugby side.
Speaker 9 (41:26):
Hencey and obviously Targo and you sprinkle in a few
of these stags and there. So yeah, no, it's exciting
and I think on the back end of the Targo
season this year, it's definitely going to be one to
watch for the Holanders getting together today, so no doubt
Jamie Jason is going to run run the ars off
most of them, all of them, i'd say, and they're
going to get into their work. But look at you
exciting times and obviously there were some growth from a
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few young guys, Fabian Holland again coming back into it,
but like a really good foundation there and you'll see
the likes of Tavia Tava Nawe coming back.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Here with an exceptional player.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
Hopefully it gets more of a crack next season. But
all eyes will be on the on the screens or
in the stadium on the thirteenth of February there against
the Crusaders. So looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, absolutely. And Jamie Joseph's infamous preseason trainings are they
as bad as what they say I've heard.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
A few inclins from.
Speaker 9 (42:17):
Few of the backs, especially they get raped into the
old Ford play there and it's it's nothing but physical
and tedious. And you know they need that nowadays because
you don't get too much of it in the competition.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
So your pre.
Speaker 9 (42:31):
Season is probably what we used to have back in
the day. It's a lot of collisions and getting the
body used to what's going to be expected in the
Super Rugby season.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Paul Miller always appreciated your time on the Muster. You
enjoy the afternoon, mate.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
Thanks Andy.
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Good afternoon, and welcome to the muster on Hakannui. My
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afternoon here in ge Towns. Look over the main street
and there is sunshine and abundance. Actually a bit of
cloud color. We'll talk with it shortly, but look Jamie
talking about it on the country before the Southern Storm
shout Happening this Thursday at the Woodhead Farm, a levels
flat halfway between Milton and Balcluther from three o'clock. The
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Emerson's Tiny Pubs going to be there, the Spate spar
as well. The Milton Lions are menting the barbie with
Silver and Farms giving the meat as well for the barbecue.
The Milton Lions have a van booked sorry to give
people a ride home, and the Milton Bowclouth Lawrence Airia
plus a endz with a coffee an ice cream cart.
So it's a great chance to get off farm this
Thursday and go and have a catch up of people
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morning shells of northwesterlies once again six and seventeen. I
saw temperatures to hand Clinton fourteen point fourth, Harriet thirteen
point three, Riveton thirteen point five, t Our thirteen point six,
Titaroa teen point three, Winton twelve point no sorry, Winton
is thirteen point one of Woodland's twelve point one. John
Pembleton starting us off from the Sergeant Dan farming round
(02:09):
up for a Monday, of course, Nuffield's scholar this year,
John tows Us how the year's been from that viewpoint.
Eric Roy and the political roundup, looking at the pork industry.
A lot of happenings going on there recently. Nigel Johnson
farms at Mabel Bush, so we have a catch up
and see how Nigel's fared over the past six weeks.
Simon Hotcraft of South of Rural Support Trust is on
(02:31):
the show for a young as well, and Paul Miller
wraps up the rugby season which came to its conclusion
for the Southern Hemisphere last night. From yesterday from an
all back's perspective anyway, with the windover Wales, so about
further ado. We'll start the y hour with John Pembleton.
You're listening to the Muster until two o'clock thanks to
Peter Genetics. Seven after one Man John Peabanton farms at
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means He's fairy and joins us this afternoon and the
Sergeant Dan Farming round up. Of course sanks to Sergeant
Dan stock food here and Gorde John O. Good afternoon, how.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Saints, Yeah, good ended you have your weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Had a great weekend. Actually we went and cut out
a heaver of Christmas shopping Saturday morning. Did in the
afternoon I went to watch Koey play a bit of
cracket down there, and obviously with Koy Kuoey and yesterday
it was pretty cool. Went out there, helped to make
with some weaning and the young fellow came out there
and yeah, went home and I was pretty much just
coughing up dried up sheep dung for the next five hours.
(03:42):
But that's just what you do. It was good fun.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Reminding the old days, mate.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Oh, it does absolutely But look, you talk about technology
off the cuff, and oh man, the way hand piece
evolution has come around, especially from the days of having
a big digging plant. You got a number eight wire
strung up and just dragging it along, and you've got
cords and you might have bolshy two des or something
dragged the down troupe and drag you the length of
the race. But not anymore. You just got a listy
(04:08):
empowered hand piece. Just have it in your pocket and
just go through the mob and didn't and dag as
you please. It was revolutionary.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah, I've just recently we've got a heap of cheap,
cheap feelingsy for tituts and only fences on a on
a new property and it's got four or five k's
a sheep being.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Eaving to do, and of fencing I find is quite
I quite enjoy it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
And but no, Milwaukee, you've got a got quite a
cool we contraption of just an electric paired stafle gun.
That's sort of been my early Christmas present.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
It's been fantastic yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
How things been. We haven't spoken for a while and
quite a bit as occurred.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, so I managed to get back. I was on
my GP.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
It was supposed to be a five week trip and
that got scuffled when we got to Italy with the
storm in south and just resources getting stretched a bit
hard at home, so sort of made it last minute,
called a hop on a planets. So there's femine rubbish
coming the following week, so that was sort of the
clinch and the decision really shot home. Two weeks at home,
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got caught up on things and then I had a
messy away and have a week in Victoria, Australia with
the meatback up the crew. That was your last week
of travel. It was really good. I've never done Australia
before and just really enjoyed the business we visited and
just the diversification Victoria. Really, I was very surprised, you know,
(05:33):
it was quite random seeing vineyards in the corner of
Sarah cropping farms and there was olive grows and a
lot of right through to market access from those farmers.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
They weren't just selling.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Commodities went through JBS. One of the milling plants are
processing north of two hundred thousand a year of feed.
A lot of that's going into the pigs and chickens,
and that was first nating to a lot of peg
farms helped me now under a very sort of being
managed under the Bawler system that we're have in zeal And,
(06:07):
where the processes like JBS owns the feet owns the pegs,
the farmer owns the infrastructure, and the farmer manages while
that line of finishing those winders happens. And I thought
there's actually a quanttersting model to be run. And I
guess probably the takeaways I saw was the scale of
(06:31):
arable over there. Family succession lot to be a challenge
a lot of us keep building the businesses rather than
making sure that there were ring fencing properties as they went.
They just sort of kept building on mass, but also
a lot of people just want to come home and
drive the tractor with Audostier and all the toys. No
one was actually willing to roll up their sleeves and
(06:53):
get some picture or careshit on the elbows. Because that's
where I saw the opportunity for young farmers was to
year back into the livestock game. That's where the return
seemed to be, but just didn't seem to They were
saying they weren't making two They were sort of battling
with some of the profits. But maybe those haven't bad
enough yet to shift that that thinking.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So it's a mindset with the younger people as such.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I think so yeah, I think I think there's huge
opportunity for the cropping farmer over bed and the great
livestock system within his farm gate. You know that the
price of fertilizer and inputs they kept saying was what
was making things tough. Well, if they had the livestock
system withinside the gate that their feed could go directly into,
then that they sort of create the loof of nutrients.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Wouldn't they.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So yeah, I just yeah, huge opportunity over that's for sure.
But you know, there was certainly some innovation happening. Most
guys had a large shed on their farm and they
spent half their time building stuff and adapting stuff rather
than going and buying especialized bit of equipment. So it
was Yeah, it did kind of remind me of what
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we would have done maybe three years ago and Yu
Zealand before we had access to European markets for that
year a bit cheaper what we have now, but there's
still pretty cool stuff coming out and seeing what they
were achieving in that space.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
With all this travel, you must be sick of the
side of airports.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, I threw the.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Passport and the drawer the other day and I think, yeah,
it'll be at least six months before that comes out again,
if not a year. Just that you just learned to
tune out, like it's surprising how well you can adapt,
Like when they came back from Italy, you know, I
was sort of went to bed at eight o'clock one
night and got back up at four the next and
didn't really suffer from the too much.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
From the jet leg And.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Yeah, it's amazing condition your south to all those flights
and not affect you too much.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
So that pretty much concludes your nothing, your commitments.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah, So that's all my travel done and now I'm
just going to sit down a knuckle out a solid
report at the end and that what's including that is
a fifteen minute presentation at the by Ann your Nuffield
Conference of the Cargo happening into February coming so probably
(09:07):
the big months between field Day's Lamb Day and that
conference happening. So it'll be quite cool. Get to host
a few newfield friends down in the Cargo while that's
all happening at the end of February.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
It'll be great.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So would you recommend people going for the Maffield Scholarship
as such, Johno, based on.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Your yet, Yeah, absolutely. I think anyone that is looking
for is inquisitive and looking for answers and thinks that
they might have a curly one that no one's really
looked at. Absolutely put your hand up for the twenty
twenty seven round. And even even if that feels like
(09:45):
that it's a too big a leafing commitment. Just looking
to the raw leaders programs, I've got the Barely Chain
Tour which happens in start of March from memory, sorry January,
actually in the January, and then it goes through the
Kiwi Fruit, Apple's red meat dairy sectors of New Zealand
(10:07):
from the farm to the consumer that's run the North
Island over over a week to nine days. Then itself
is a really great place to connect with people. But
it's a full on the long days, but you get
so much out of it and it really helped me
with my approach and enough who I was traveling. But yeah,
the Raw Leaders program. If people would just want to
(10:29):
see how they can grind and develop, just look into
New Zealand Rule Leaders and there's a number of different
programs there to help people with the growth their business
and personal growth.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Good on your John, I always appreciated your time on
the Muster. This is the last time we chat for
twenty twenty five, dear or say it so you and
the family enjoy the festive season and we'll chat in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, mate, Mike bum And and Tiana this summer.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Cheers John Pemberton. Thanks for sagin Dan Stock Food's based here. Gore.
Eric Roy is up next in the political segment for
a Monday Afternoon Welcome back to the Muster on Hakanui.
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Eric Roy, former MP, as well as having a number
of portfolios amongst his name these days as well, environment
South and Counselor amongst them. Joins us once again, Eric,
good afternoon, How are thanks?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Oh yep, good afternoon, and good afternoon listeners. Yep, got
a bit of growth at your now. Now we can
see pass waving in the wind. So we've kind of
turned a week corner there, so I'm see him pretty
good really.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So what's the ground situation in general? Though it feet is.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Okay, it's still getting a lot of rain. I had
a bit of a looker on Saturday there, but I
just decided she was a bit wet for the discs
as about a third of every pedic. I thought, oh no,
I can't go around, so we'll wait, but gravity or
keep it there. I'll get it done before Christmas.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So you're not freshing about it not being done. It
will happen.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
Freshing doesn't solve any problems here. Any threading solve any problems.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Okay, so we called this a Panteine effect. It won't
happen overnight, but it will happen.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yeah, it's going to happen. Don't worry. I'm on the case.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Or there we gave there's nothing to fear Eric is here. Look,
we'll talk about this. We had Sean Malloy on the
program yesterday last week, our pig farming correspondent and what's
happening in the pork industry, and he was really buoyant
about the state of the industry as such. But the
issue around Naywak and the code of conduct around Pharao
wind Crates doesn't seem to go away.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Well, I think it hairs. I think what we've got
now are some people that say we weren't listened to,
But there's a good reason why they weren't listened to it.
Can I just give a hands up to Andrew Hoggard
who actually said, listen, I'm not happy with the work
that's been done by the original Naywack team and we
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need to address this. So and I think he's landed
in a pretty good place. The partner that's got everybody
weave it Upsee it is actually the ten years he's
given people to enact what the new rules are. I think, look,
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if you look at what's happened in Europe, where they're
also addressing this but not coming out with such a
vigorous change. They're sort of twelve to nineteen years to
change over. There was quite a bit of money involved,
but m key. Some of the decisions that original Naywack
team made were just a nonsense. And whilst they some
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of the animal rights groups and our stress animal rights
and not animal welfare groups have come out and said,
well he's listened to the farmers. Well they just know,
we just totally included the farmers. And they brought out
just an unbelievable regime that no one was doing anywhere
in the world. And in order like an economic unit,
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pig unit is three hundred soells and in order to
effect the changes that were required in that original report
from NIWAK was about two point six million dollars for
a farm of three hundred seals, and no one was
doing it anywhere in the world. And some of the
things were just an absolute nonsense, the spatial stuff and
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some rules like weaning pigs. You're not allowed to wean
pigs till they were five weeks old. Well, it's not
about how old they are, it's about how big they are.
And if your pigs, your little pigs, are over six
and a half kilos, they wreck the others of the
cells and you end up with mastitis. And we've got
people getting pigs to that way in eighteen to twenty days.
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So it look it was an absolute nonsense. And so
what Andrew Hoggett said, the MPI listen, sort out what
is important, what works, and where we go. And whilst
the pharrowing crates are still there, they're only allowed for
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four or five days after the sow has had her piglets.
And that's the case. And the other thing I'd say
about the whole approach that the Naywak team took was
the welfare and interest of what the sow wants to do.
And if she wants to tremble on her babies, that's
her expressing herself. She wants to eat them, she can
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do that. So if you didn't have the confined pharrowing
for those first five days or so, it's about two
little pigs a litter that get crushed or eaten or
stood on. And you know, if you take the number
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of soubercy, that's thirty thousand little pigs that are getting killed.
And I'm sure the little pigs would have a view
about whether that was a good idea or not. Probably
a better idea than some of the people that were
saying it did happened.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Well, it seems as though Eric Naywak had people involved
who had no skin in the game of such and
that was the concern. No farmers and the lights actually
involved withnywork for pizza.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Well, no, I'd say there were some people there. There
were vets in that there, but another previous administration. And
I challenged Stu Nash on this, and I know quite
well when he was in Parma. I said, look, you've
put on people that are animal rights people. They're not
animal wealthy people, they're not practitioners. And coming out with
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some really really unusual stuff, he said, who did that?
And you guys did. Now the other thing about some
of those people were they were quite aggressive people in
my mind, And so if you've got to rational argument going,
the rational people just got sick of aggression in the
argument in my view. So I just think it got
all of it too difficult to just engage in the
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debate and land in the right place. And when you're
having these debates, yes, you need the spectrum of all
the ideas there, but unless you've got the farming fraternity there,
you're not going to land in the middle in the
right place. And unless you've got sort of a process
which acknowledges every view and measures them against science, you're
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not going to end in the right place either. And clearly,
in my view, the original Nwork Committee was short on
those qualities in order to come up with a reasonable decision.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now where it came out this morning the MP rich
list was out. There's three hundred and seventy nine million
dollars that members of Parliament and New Zealand have tied
up in property. A few commentators are saying this is
where a conflict of interest can come into play. Is
that the case?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Well, I don't believe so. Like you had to do
a register of assets everybody that I filled one in
every year or every three years when you're elected, or
I don't know, it might be every year now in
case you've changed, and it just lets people know. And
what it does is if you've got shares in a
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company or something and that's coming up, then you've got
to absent yourself and declare a conflict of interest. And
famously a Laboring peak called Michael Woods didn't do that
when he was a cabinet minister and he was worn
twelve times. You need to put this stuff into a
blind trust that you're not in control of. And he
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refused in a customer's job. So it's really just to
protect conflict of interest. And I would say, you know,
it's an open system, everybody can see who did what,
and it also got to declare any gifts you've got
and make sure that everything's above board and it's citing
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an appropriate way to actually do it. The other commune
I would would say, is that do you want people
who don't have a dollar to their name running the
country or people who have been successful and just have
all we think about that and the intellect and qualities
they bring to decision making if they've been successful or that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. Eric,
And the irony being Michael Wood has put his name
in the hat to go back into parliament next to weeks.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
All is forgiven. I'd recognize my eras so it will
be interesting to see. Well, it's going to be one
to watch on the night that one because Mount Rascal
the Chung is it a guy that talk it? Hey,
we never have well national not say we the National
Party isn't for a number of decades, so it'll be
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in interesting to see whether he's forgiven or not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
You're certainly going to be interesting in the lead up
to the next election. Eric, always appreciate your time. Good one,
Eric Roy and the political round up up next, Nigel Johnston.
This is the muster. Nigel Johnston farms at Mabel Bush
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and joins us on the muster on this afternoon, which
is it's a reasonably pleasant We're perfectly honest here and
gore anyway, Nigel, good afternoon, Mabel Bush. How are conditions
good being sandy?
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Wow, it's not quite haymaking weather, but will definitely motion grass.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So it's better than what it was a couple of
weeks ago. It's fair to say.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Last three weeks have been magic. We have been growing
close to one hundred a day, so we've ripped up
a few bit of grass on the dairy farm end
from the people we buy Beiligion for our wintering, so
by Friday we'll have probably two thirds of our winter
feed purchased and made and stored on fans. It's a
really nice feeling to.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Hear, well, that's really good going. I'm hearing maxed reports
around feed covers in Southend at the moment, it's either
a feast or a famine by the all accounts.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Yeah, it's certainly been a challenge and extual. I knew
you'd ask, so I had a look through my records.
That October was really quite problematic for us. It put
us in a position we were as I think last
time we were talking.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
It was as lower covers.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
As we were running the previous season, and because things
were so wet, we didn't have all that surface flooding,
but did some real damage, pasted your damage. It was
rough on caws and then all of a sudden the
sun came out and we're back in the game.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So you're pretty much pumping with production.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Then, well as much as you do on once a day. Yeah, no,
there's no weld breeding acut production. But we're we're sort
of seven percent ahead on a daily basis, monthly basis
in for the season. So it's looking like it could
be a really good one. Hopefully the summer looks after us.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, sounds that way. And a little bit of a
correct let's be honest, corrections and the GDT over the
past couple of months, let's be honest, and the payout
may be reduced a bit, but then nonetheless are still
looking pretty deeper.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Our business philosophy as long as though the six backs,
life's pretty sweet, so we've got a reasonable buffer in there.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Thank you, pretty safety And.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Yeah, I think we're sploading here is with the correction,
but I know internationally the things you read out of.
Obviously had a couple of Irish Exchange students day last
week and it's it's pretty darmer some of the things
that that facing. It's obviously the exchange rate helping us
in in the biggie for us for the high debtloading
as interest rates coming down makes it messive difference to
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our bottom law.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
So under reything you bring Ireland into the equation, what's
the big is she's there at the moment.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Well, those were young girls that had come over and
didn't exchange it at Lincoln and succession planning was highest
on their priority price of land, profitable of farming. But
what you read in the media is there's some real
talk putting pushing milk prices down, And what concerns me
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is they're actually not talking like a really significant drop
in milk price, and it's really rattling the cage. I'd
be really concerned if it was our business.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Did they have any comments at all regarding Doorn Meats
buying into the Alliance Group.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
We didn't get into that one, but I'm actually starting
to feel really quite positive about it. That's the meat
schedules high, and it seems to have changed the real
the nature of the conversation around meat companies. It'd be
nice to have a strong, strong player, and they're keeping
the price up for farming.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The big ones. We had four and a half weeks
ago there at may Be Bush.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
How did you fear personally?
Speaker 6 (24:02):
On some quite good We lost a couple of trees,
lost a bit of clear light off the cow shed.
Unfortunately it was directly over the switchboard. You know, every
time there's a problem that seems to multiply.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But we were set.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Up when we bought the rotary cow shed. I was
always concerned if we had a power cup, how would
we get KOs off the platform. So we've set up
with a generator and so milking times were consistent for us,
and from honest about it self, can actually went down
and production went up. We are and we are in
peak lactation, so that sort of it was really good.
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It definitely brought the community together. So we found the
generator out around a few other our neighbors and brings
down the road to help them get through. There's certainly
some streets in the community and it was not to
be able to do it be there and help right.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So, last time we spoke to you, you were looking
for water on the ground, new bars and the lights.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
How how did you ender got a massive invoices heading
my way. But we've got a good supply of water,
so I'm very happy about that. Yeah, I think last
time we were talking might have been at I was
hoping to get water at less than one hundred meters.
Last time I was talking, we were about one hundred
and eighty and it was looking dubious. At two hundred
and four we hit water, so I was very happy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
No, there's better than two hundred and five. I suppose.
Speaker 6 (25:25):
Well, we actually kept drilling to two fifty five and
we haven't. We haven't found some decent gravel. So I
think if we just pump it slowly, we won't stuck
too much to end up. And it's there's that much water,
I think it's going to really right side our business.
I'm looking forward to going on summer holiday and not
even thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Absolutely, but that's a long way to go to find water.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
At the same time, Stout asking the question, lots of
people have had to do it go deep, and it's yes,
and it comes with its own challenges. We're just trying
to work out how to pump it most effectively. The
water table actually came back up to forty five meters,
so we were very lucky there. So we're yeah, trust
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world problems how we get there of the ground now, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Is, but you took, like I say, those numbers are
well their mind bothering almost how far down the under
the water under the ground is such having to go
Nigel Jeepers.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Yeah, in context, it's an eighty thousand dollars hole. So
I'm pleased that actually had water in the bottom of it,
because that's the other thing is it may not of
when we got down there far and that wouldn't have
been good for my personality.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, you would have been pretty nervous. It'll be like
out on the bearing sea hoping the crabs coming up
in the pots.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
That is correct, it's a.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Coin of phrase, is such. So but like you say
it's just about infrastructure and just solidifying things for the
summer because we all know what the seasons can be like, right.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
And I think it protects the capital value of the
business as well. If we were able to put her
on the market, it'd be nice to hand on heart
say she's all set, need to go. Then it certainly
feels like that now, So what.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Was your water systems like prior to this?
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Good, but lacking in capacity, so we had to pump
our ball very slowly. So we had enough wader on
a daily basis, but if we had a water leak,
it could take three or four days for everything to
catch back up again, and that just unnecessary stress on
the other farm team. Yeah, this would be quite nice
to be able to fix problems quickly.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Absolutely, and there's nothing to stress about when you've got
a bit of a mild Monday afternoon to contemplate Nigel Johnson.
Always appreciate your time on the muster. You enjoy the afternoon,
Nigel Johnson of Mabel Bush. He found water having to
go feel underground, but got to do what you've got
to do. I suppose right up next Simon Hotcraft on
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behalf of South and Dural Support Trust. This is a
muster on hakannuis. Simon Hotcroft is the chair of the
South and Rural Support Trust. Of course, over the past
couple of weeks we've been catching up with different farmers
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and people involved in rural industries talking about mindset after
the wind of Wind events of coming up five weeks
ago this week and just how they're what they do
basically to negate times of trying I suppose, and of
course this is in conjunction with Community Trust South as well.
Thanks very much for their support. S I'm a good afternoon.
Always good to catch up. How are you going, Andy,
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You're going pretty good mate. Look, yeah, we've been doing
this campaign for the past couple of weeks. Been interesting
to get the perspectives from people involved in different parts
of the sector.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
No, it's been really good and I appreciate your acknowledging
the Community Trust South for their contribution Andy, along with
roal support. It's been good to do. It's been a
good week program. And yeah, I think I think over
the last two weeks that we've done at some great
messaging from in particular from the farmers that have provided
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input and then it was good to have Mark Petterson
on the other day just to provide a wee bit
of perspective from sort of that central government end. But no,
thanks very much. I think it's gone well.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, I talked to Mark about this the other day.
We mentioned it briefly off fair Simon, and that is
regarding rural connectivity and the lack of cell phone network.
They're talking about three G going offline. This is something
that needs needs to get pushed.
Speaker 7 (29:32):
Oh, absolutely, And we had a stakeholder meeting last week
with a sort of quarterly meeting for the Trust and
it came through from some feedback from our stakeholders as
that was the biggest issue to get comms out an
air end but also their end. So first things first
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is to really push make sure that we're sending that
messaging down and getting that sorted.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
So is that the big thing from a South and
Ural Support Trust viewpoint at the moment. A bit of
a reflection on what's occurred and what change is going forward.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Yeah, we were able to take the opportunity, I guess
from you know, from looking back, and in last week
we had a good debrief as a trust to say, well,
you know, what could we actually do better to through
that response period, I suppose, and then also getting that
stakeholder input around what they've seen and what they thought
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went well and you know, what could be done better,
and then the Emergency Management South and we're in that
rown in that stakeholder meeting as well, so we were
able to provide some feedback then, but we're actually doing
a sort of I guess we'll go through into a
post event review from a trust perspective and then be
able to sort of feed that back to Emergency Management
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South and then hopefully we can you know then actually
when we go on to another event, actually be better prepared.
And as a trust, we've definitely got opportunities to be
better prepared going into another event, and certainly the calm
side of it was challenging, and I think that's as
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one that we can get pretty good runs on the
board by getting that sorted, and.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
That would help out a lot. So yeah, a.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Lot of the farmers I'm speaking to at the moment, Simon,
they've acknowledged the situation, but they're just having to carry
on with the farm where I can realize, and they've
just got a bit of a missionary here to get
their infrastructure back up to speed. Will that be about right?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:33):
Being on andy basically most farmers have sort of either
come up with a plan and are waiting on maybe
contractors to come in and do some of the heavy
lifting stuff, and then some have already got in and
had a bit of a cleanup. It was sort of
eighty percent through a cleanup on farm but just set
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negally little stuff to finish off and get some fences
tied it up. But yeah, I guess it's those that
are wait on contractors. Just be patient. They are busy
and they've obviously got other things they do as part
of their contracting business as well, so this is sort
of an extra load on them, so I guess, but
just be weary that they're busy as well.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Now Southland Rural Riders and Surfing for Farmers they're back
up and running again. So it's an out with the
people this week. If you're wanting to take a bit
of a break, there are certainly ways to get out
there and have a bit of a reset as such.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Yeah, absolutely so Surfing for Farmers starts Thursday at six.
That'll Katerina will post up where that'll be one of
those three beaches based around sort of Riverton and ye
Rural Riders. Ural Riders started maybe two weeks ago, I
think so O Wednesday night made it bet South at
Winton at six thirty and great to get those underway
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for the summer and we'll look forward to seeing a
few along to that.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
One of the other things we've got coming up with
obviously field Days, Southern field Days in February actually, and
we've got a bit of a fundraiser going on there
in conjunction with Adam Newton Homes, so he's kindly offered
us an opportunity to.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Build a house.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
That will be auctioned at field Days, so he'll do
that at cost and some of the suppliers have provided
some products that are cheaper. So really looking for to
see how that rolls through come field Days.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
And I suppose the final thing is as well, like
just regarding self and real support for just the number
for people to get in touch is eight hundred and
seven eight seven two five four. Somebody needs like they
feel like they need to have a conversation, that phone
has always taken care.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Of, right, Yeah, absolutely, that's the fine number and you
strictly confidential service. Our operational team or help out at
the end of that and they do a great job
and so make sure you know that people can either.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Refer the use of that or just call yourself good only.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
As Simon always appreciated your time on the muster. We'll
catch up again and like I say, thanks to South
and Ural Support Trust and as well Community Trusts South
being involved over the past couple of weeks a lot
of great information was shed.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Thanks Andy, much appreciated cheer.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Simon Hotcraft South and Ural Support Trust Chair. Just on
that note as well, of course the Southern Storms Shout
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So that's happening Thursday afternoon up at nigel what Heads Farm.
Paul Miller's up next to talk a bit of rugby
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Speaker 9 (35:29):
Afternoon, Andy, I'm not too bad, just another bad Monday
up here in Dunedin.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, as we slowly but surely get towards the Christmas season,
which means rugby is over and done with the ill Wex.
They got the win over Wales yesterday. But there was expected, right.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
Yeah, I definitely was expected.
Speaker 9 (35:46):
But it was also pleasing to see some of the
players who probably had limited game time that were able
to sort of get out and have a bit of
a run and stretch of your legs. Talking about likes
of the policed Careffe Wallace to Titi and the young
and the wee half back there call Teas Ratama. So yes,
it was a kind of a game that was expected
to win, but there's also chances for Scott Robinson to
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play these sort of you know, the second tier players.
I mean, man, you want to call Anton Lenar Brown
the second tier, but you know he's off on a
sabbatical next year. But it just sort of gave that
whole sort of a squad a run. And what's also
exciting was the All Black fifteen as well were being
able to tour over in Europe too, So yes, the depth
is going to be tested, but obviously I think we're okay.
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We're pretty healthy at the moment.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
So how would you rate the All Blacks season overall?
Ten wins, three losses, but those three losses are pretty telling.
Argentina away for the first time. They got destroyed by
the Box in Wellington and they did it front against
England at Twickenen.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
The All Blacks always carried that expectation of the you know,
of a performance performance but also winning at the same time.
Key we don't like the All Blacks when they lose,
and obviously the knives come out. However, we've got to
understand that, you know, there are combinations that need to
be sort of you know, given a chance, and obviously
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with the depth that we've got and I'm pretty sure
that Scott Robinson is looking forward to the World Cup
in a couple of years time. So this squad, along
with the All Black fifteen, I think there is some
making sen it's just trying to iron out a few
of these positions. And you know, I am disappointed and
obviously of those losses as well, but we're probably missing
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an exceptional kind of big blockbusting ball runner and it's
just South Africa.
Speaker 8 (37:33):
You know, those guys.
Speaker 9 (37:34):
Are mountain men and you know, for us to compete
in that level, and I think that's also comes.
Speaker 8 (37:40):
Back also with Super Rugby.
Speaker 9 (37:41):
How South Africa once they left their competition, I don't
think the Super Rugby standards at their level was what
it was.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yeah, that's a fair observation. Eliot Smith said exactly the
same last week Hog after the loss of twicking them.
But we looked at the position of number ten Richie
Mulwanga coming back next year. Scott Robertson's got all his
zs in the one basket, or so it seems. What
happens if this doesn't.
Speaker 9 (38:05):
Work out with Richie Mwanga, I think he could probably
slot in there. But it's also detrimental for what are
you going to do with Damian McKenzie and Bowden Barrett.
I mean, I think that the likes of Reuben Love,
he took his chance against Wales.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Albeit against Wales, however.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
You know that he's definitely an option. And now you've
got these competitive aspects with these key positions. And you know,
Boden Barrett he probably didn't have the best poor England.
He was a bit he's quite waeful, made you know,
quite a few unknown mistakes with Boden Barrett, so you
know he'll certainly feel that pressure. And DAMEI McKenzie, you
(38:42):
know that that door was sort of open for him,
but now he's got Richie Munger knocking on that door again, so.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
You know it will we either make or break these players.
Speaker 9 (38:51):
I mean, that's what competition's about. And these players know
how to obviously they have to stand up.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
How are you concerned about the changes to the old
Lex coaching personnel.
Speaker 9 (39:02):
You mean talking to Jason Holland leaving, yes, yes, yes,
you know we're not inside that coaching camp. We don't
exactly know what's specifically going on for however, is obviously
some sort of you know, unwillingness or unhappiness. They're from
key coaches and obviously it started with Liam McDonald. Let's
(39:24):
let's be honest. Obviously him and Scott Robinson obviously didn't.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
See eye to eye. But yeah, there's probably kind.
Speaker 9 (39:30):
Of a an aspect there from Raiser or from Scott Robertson.
That's you know, sometimes what he says some other coaches don't.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
Agree, and that's that's part of it.
Speaker 9 (39:41):
That's part of having these you know, exceptional coaching panels,
and you know, you've all sort of got to get
off if you can't. If you can't, then it's probably
not your time in the in the coaching area.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
When we look at the positives, we look at halfback,
we look at the emergence of Holland and Lord has
lucks this year and we're two years out from the
next Rape World Cup. How would you say we're tricking overall?
Speaker 9 (40:03):
I think we're okay, we're probably not probably not one
hundred percent say that we're definitely in the running. But
you know, you look at the lights of Simon Park,
I mean we don't really you don't really tend to
hear his name. However, he does get through a lot
of work and you know, I'm always.
Speaker 8 (40:20):
A big believer also with Christian Leo Willy.
Speaker 9 (40:23):
Too, and it's unfortunately he didn't get a game in
the weekend, but you mentioned those names as well. But look,
it's all all a growth and you know, I think
we've got to be excited this all Black fifteen team.
We don't tend to say too much, but like there's
some hell of a good players in there. And you know,
our homeboy there, Jack Taylor, He's definitely one to watch
(40:44):
as well to come in here. So putting pressure on
obviously Sammersonian Cody and Cody Taylor and the lights. So
but I think definitely there is some good resource in Fabian.
What is our standing season he's had, He's such the
he's such exceptional professional here.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Now we're look you head to super Rugby, Siluis Whollaway Yoga.
But we can't help they just have a little peak
through that door. The Highlanders though, they seem to have
got a pretty good squad together, especially with a Tiger
going so well in the MPC. I would like to think, so, yeah, that's.
Speaker 9 (41:16):
That's fundamental, the likes of what used to happen in
the old times. Absolutely, I was playing you know, you know,
your provincial team.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
Was successful and it's sort.
Speaker 8 (41:24):
Of bode well for the super rugby side.
Speaker 9 (41:26):
Hencey and obviously Targo and you sprinkle in a few
of these stags and there. So yeah, no, it's exciting
and I think on the back end of the Targo
season this year, it's definitely going to be one to
watch for the Holanders getting together today, so no doubt
Jamie Jason is going to run run the ars off
most of them, all of them, i'd say, and they're
going to get into their work. But look at you
exciting times and obviously there were some growth from a
(41:49):
few young guys, Fabian Holland again coming back into it,
but like a really good foundation there and you'll see
the likes of Tavia Tava Nawe coming back.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
Here with an exceptional player.
Speaker 9 (41:58):
Hopefully it gets more of a crack next season. But
all eyes will be on the on the screens or
in the stadium on the thirteenth of February there against
the Crusaders. So looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, absolutely. And Jamie Joseph's infamous preseason trainings are they
as bad as what they say I've heard.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
A few inclins from.
Speaker 9 (42:17):
Few of the backs, especially they get raped into the
old Ford play there and it's it's nothing but physical
and tedious. And you know they need that nowadays because
you don't get too much of it in the competition.
Speaker 8 (42:30):
So your pre.
Speaker 9 (42:31):
Season is probably what we used to have back in
the day. It's a lot of collisions and getting the
body used to what's going to be expected in the
Super Rugby season.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Paul Miller always appreciated your time on the Muster. You
enjoy the afternoon, mate.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
Thanks Andy.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
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