November 25, 2025 • 44 mins
Chris Wilson talks to James Edgar, Jesse Hall, Keely Buckingham, Robin Greer, and Lyn Berry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Muster proudly brought to you by Peter's Genetics. Every
drop means quite a lost when it's from Peter's Genetics.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the Muster. Today Wednesday, the
twenty sixth of November, thanks to Peter's Genetics. I'm Chris
Wilson and I'm in the hot seat for Andy Mr.
Today Today on the show, we have for you James
Edgar moa flat sheep and deer farmer, with a few
cattle Chesse Hall from Melick McLean, Keatie Buckingham and Dairy
(00:35):
en Z with a few tips around slow growth and growth.
Robin Greer PGGW real Estate and Lynn Berry with a
few things that he wants to talk about. Follow up
by Laugh Out Loud five day four casts brought to
you by twin Farm, Teffrom and suff Techs.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
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Today, Wednesday, the twin sixth of November. Cloud clearing and
becoming fine in the morning. Nor eastily is turning to
strong northwesterly in the morning, easing in the evening. A
high of twenty four and a love of twelve. Thursday
the twenty seventh of November, a few showers, clearing to
fine in the afternoon. Nor eastly is turning northwasterly before dawn.
High of twenty three alave ten. Friday the twenty eighth
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Eleanor's birthday. If you've seen it, give a big high
five or wish your heavy birthday. That's my mother. Mainly fine,
chance of a shower until afternoon, strong northwesterlyes high of
eighteen a low of nine. Saturday, the twenty ninth November fine,
then a few showers developing in the morning. Northwesterly is easing,
high of twenty and a love of ten. Sunday the
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thirtieth November a few showers, nor' easterly turning to strong
westerlies high of eighteen lave eight. Monday December the first
new month, New Week, showers and westerlyes high of seventeen
and a love of eight. We just had to come
out about the Southern Southern storm Shout also to be
hosted at the Woodhead Farm at Level Flat Levels Flat,
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halfway between Milton and Bellclouther from three to seven pm Thursday,
the twenty seventh of November. The Emerson's Tiny pub and
Space Bar will be in attendance sharing the love the
Milton Lions. We're mending the barbecue with Silver Farns Farms
providing the meat. Milton Lions also have a van booked
for people to give them a ride home in the
Milton Bellclouther Lawrence area. It's also going to be coffee
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and ice cream cart available courtesy of ain Z ed
Now The mackaysa if you don't already know, it was
a bold hop oil and fused Ensi pilsner brewed with
the taste of crisp lemons and limes with a refreshing finish.
How good does that sound? I could probably go with
one of them. Ride about now now once again as
I do every other time. Thanks a lot to Class
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harves Center for allowing me to get away to this
gig and haven't got a fun test myself and hopefully
not stuff things up too barely? Friendy what I'm on
with the show.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Rights and stock sales report?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Hey, well all that too?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Here we'll go there And where did he go on
to get for?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I'm a twenty five to give third in our.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Stock sale action today. Unfortunately we're unable to raise anybody
from the bear Cluth of sale Yards. But yep, rest assured.
We will have stock saling action from the next hour
will be tomorrow, so we'll have that on the show
for we as well.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The muster proudly brought to you by Peter's Genetics. Every
drip means quite a bit when it's from Peter's Genetics.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
With us on the show. Now we've got James Edgar
mora flat sheep and deer farmer. James here, you getting
on to be Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We're up in the sun today, which is quite nice
and I think it's twenty five degrees so yeah, the
last month has god of a just memory.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, that heat just it sneaks up on you when
you're used to cold weather for so long and then
it gets hot. It's just about too bloody. I shouldn't
be complaining, but yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Had a bit careful on the sun block early on.
I know most of the tailing was done in the
hurricane force windboard line because you had to just keep going.
But it's still windy here. But you know, you certainly
had to watch out for the sun because we didn't
really see it for a few months early on, did
we No there was.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
More a case of windburn there for a while than sunburn,
wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, we would have snow burned. I don't know what
the weather's come right, we're growing grass, need to keep
looking out for by to rain. But we have managed
to catch up and all the jobs to be fair,
which is really good. We've got all the crops and
everywhere and up with a few weeds in one of
(04:50):
the chol panics at rest. Everything else looks reasonably good
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So yeah, yeah it is so you have all the
track work's done.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, basically, Yeah, we're just humming and hiring at the moment.
We're not put in the way one more we perico kao,
just in case it does get dry, just to carry
some feed forward, to be fear. With feed situations looking
really good. We don't have any boilers locked up, but
there's probably normal to be fear. We're try and put
it all into an animal at this time of year,
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because we usually end up with a bit of a
feed surplus when we wine, because the lambs will go
into leaf and turn ups. Yes, still get away bit
of wind, yeah, usually as a surplus. Then that we
try and carry cod and a.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Lot of sheep guys. You know, once you get waning
out of the way and you know, I know, you
box up a few pairs to try and let them
come away from lambs as well if you haven't got
other crops in. But you know, give it three or
four weeks and you're genuinely out doing hay than anty
and supplement too.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's been interesting this spring. I think
the lambs were behind, but with the warmer weather now
definitely stand to round up. And I actually failed, I
think because it was a bit cooler, probably a bit
weater earlier on the spring. But we did actually have
designated kettle peddicks, and I think the kettle the bulls
have done really well. Just looks like they're probably the
(06:07):
best balls of had because they caught off and put
well on that ye pull the climbate, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And did they I guess it wasn't probably as wet
they would have made much damage.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No, not too bad.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Up here.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We usually were rotationally graze them. So we'll have them
in slightly bigger mobs. We'll say three peddicks and go
around and round. And we were the conditions and then
the graph covers maybe not being quite where we wanted them,
but still not too bad. But we ended up set
stocking them all oh nice, free to heat their next work.
Really well, it'll be interesting when we sort of have
a d brink on the season what we decide going forward.
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I think the well the bulls usually find them when
you shift them into a new peddick, they sort of
take them a while. They will have their wee spot
where they go and rub something, you know, have a
spot where they're going to eat, and then they've got
the spot where they all meet them great around the
water trough, whereas we're films with them being set stopped
instead of having to find every week given to find
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their new hierarchy and spots have just settled right down.
So yeah, that's certainly been something we've changed this year,
and it'll be interesting to know going forward we might
might carry on with that once that's good?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Do you? I was assuming you'll have more than you know,
just a few panics of them spread out, so yeah,
a bit of fighting when they get back together or
they're not bad.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
We don't we won't put them back together. So they
come off the winter crops, so we try and have mobs.
We've had them bigger before, we've had them over eighties.
But we just find they're quite hardened each other. So
we try and wint them the mobs of fifty and
then then we'll be spread them out at three to
the heat there on the grass.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Pais, Yeah, and they're just with their animals.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Then, yeah, they just with their friends and they go
all the way through and we'll just keep you just
keep weighing the mobs and taking them out so we
won't box them up. Sometimes I usually work if I'm losing.
You lose almost a month of growth if you box
them up, or something goes on, because they end up.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well about ten days.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, they lose weight for teen days and take some
yeah teen days at least to put it back on again.
Then the big square one and then they're gonna start
growing again.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
From Yeah, just a bit too big a cheek, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, so certainly full farmings. Nobody locks it until you
get paid. But yeah, that certainly an animal. But now
we've also well we waned yesterday or some of the
freezer years, so yeah, the price is looking really strong
in the sheep and beef steak there which is quite
a nice change.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Of guess you get a few names away the works.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Then Yeah, we got a wave here, a couple of hundred.
But the first time we've had eleven dollars for the
start of the season anyway, pretty yeah, take that to
be a sheep farmer.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, it's well, it's not amazing. Well, it is amazing,
how quit the way it turns with the results were
so poor twelve eighteen months ago, weren't they to to
where it is now? It's just sort of come a
little bit leafd field.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, it has no I think we're in for probably
the best couple of year since since the Korean wall
boom is where I reckon it's get just with these levels. Yeah,
it certainly was interesting like eighteen months ago coming into
last season, to be fair, you know, the problem was
there was really no light at the end of the tunnel,
and then it just sort of got stronger last year.
(09:16):
And you know, I'm not silly. I think this is
probably a peak, sort of the peak of the lamb
and it won't maybe come off a wee bit from now,
but yeah, certainly exciting to at least get it. Yeah,
eleven eleven dollars. Seriously, change of sheep farming. It's it's great,
which is which is important when you see how many
trees and you know, the forestry and everything else. I
(09:36):
think it's really important for New Zealand to have a
strong sheep sector because you know, some of our country
up here just doesn't suit theiry cows and doesn't suit
the horticulture and it doesn't suit cropping, so you know
it sort of ussel or pine trees. And yeah, I
think it's personally I think right tree, right place. But yeah,
it's pretty sad seeing some of these whole farms get
planned down tree.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, there's some good countries gone under and it doesn't
do much for the commune there as a whole, I
think for keeping them going districts.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know, no, absolutely no. If the carbon forestry, of course,
it's only the money only stays in cycles around the Zealand.
It's not earning export dollars either, is it. So which
is really important for everybody is to make sure when
the Zealand's earning export receipts. So it's actually really positive.
It's nice to see most things sort of up and yeah,
(10:24):
I guess the only thing that's down at the moment,
the velvet and it's it's really quite bad. But it
does go to show you how commodities have a cycle. Yes,
everyone has their weight turn in the sun, don't they.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, that's that's acceptable for the odd one to not
be pulling their way if everything else has gone along
really good.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Well an air business, we've sort of diversified and yeah,
so I suppose it's the catch twenty two when you're
all one product. When it's high, you have a really
strong business, and when it's lowers, the problems you've yeah,
you've got a really weak business. So yeah, we've made
a bit of a if it's a diverse voice, so
you bring a lot of kettlin and bring the deer
(11:05):
and then you're still sixty five percent sheep income. I
suppose so, but it does give you a nice diversification.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know what though, too, it's also really nice just
to have people that aren't kicking the stones and and
feeling beaten up. It's gone from that, just a good
amount of positivity. Everyone's now back to where that people
found because they love it and and the tough years
you're just it's just unsurvivable. So it's actually really good
(11:33):
to see people happy.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh absolutely, And I think for me personally, when you
go around, it's there's nothing better than driving past, you know,
a really good looking farm that's you can tell, you know,
it's loved and these investments back in it and you
know the grass looks good when you see those farms,
you know, you drive past as the farm and always
judge as a farmers, don't.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You well, you do you not that you're mean to,
but you you well, if it's judging or just observing.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, but that's I think that's the most exciting thing. Yeah.
I had a discussion group long Laura Valley yesterday and
I think it was the biggest take out from the
mood of the room that I got was people were
just really excited to be able to you know, vest
back into the thing farm that does. You know, you
(12:19):
don't mind cart and torn us for a little bit,
but it's just not a long term solution. Like it's
pretty hard when you're driving past things that are annoying
you and you feel like you don't have any.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Money to fix it.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I completely agree that'stration and it's nice to see even
I think you're starting to see the rural communities like
there's sort of a real buzz around, you know, there's
some property sales and people are spending more in the
towns and no, it's it's really nice.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Actually mate, Look we've gone over time. I'm sorry, but
thank you very much for your time and it's great
to not that I've met you in person, but over
the phone at least. So all the best for the
upcoming couple of months and hopefully have a bumper season.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, come check your hand next time we're at the
same place.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Chairs Yeah, well thiss. Next on the show, we've got
GC Hall from MacLean anymore. Good afternoon, GC. How you
(13:20):
going good? How are you good? Thanks? I've got the
tune little Lies from Fleetwood Max, so hopefully you're not
going to tell us any no no no lies this today.
How's the day going good? Good?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Actually, it was quite good driving up from a Vicago
today to see a lot of tractors and things on
the road. So people definitely taking advantage of the good
weather that's out there.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's certainly all happening out there. Yeah, yep, yep. So
today we're going to talk a bit of ACC and
Christmas parties and gifts and that sort of carry on. Yep, yep,
tell us a bit about the ACC side of things.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Yeah, Actually, just before we do get into that, I'll
have a we plug about the Fonterra price release yesterday.
So not many people will be aware or if you are,
that Fonterra did bring out a fifty cents decrease in
the forecast, and so if you've got a farm that's
producing two hundred and fifty thousand milk solids, then that's
(14:14):
effectively a one hundred and twenty five k out of
your bottom line down below. So if you are concerned
or especially going to Christmas, just want him have a
bit more of a plan in place. It's a good
time to update those budgets and also maybe reach out
to your accountant just to check in on cash flow
and potentially tax in the new year as well, to
make sure you may not be paying more than you
(14:36):
need to, because if you did a plan at the
start there, obviously we'll be looking at a bit you
would have originally planned for a higher tax bill than
you're probably looking at now.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Certainly something to watch out for, isn't it, Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, But in line with Christmas being next month as well,
I thought i'd just talk about just making sure you've
got some backup in place if something goes wrong, and
hopefully it doesn't go wrong over summer, but it is
always good to have a plan in place. And today's
theme is about ACC. So we have had a few
instances recently of some people really struggling through ACC, so
(15:08):
I thought it'd be quite topical to talk about it
today and just make the witness out there for ever
run to jump in and either talk to your accountant
or their insurance provider to make sure they actually have
some good cover in place. So if you don't have
personal and private insurance, then then basically you fall into ACC.
And not many people actually know there's two types of ACC,
(15:32):
so this is what we call ACC cover plus and
ACC cover plus extra. If you don't have a set
level of cover with ACC, which is the extra part,
then it's based on your earnings for the year last
or earnings last year. And so if you have been
trying to take advantage of tax advantages and spread the
income around and you get injured over summer, so you
(15:53):
say you have an accent on the bow to or
you decide to go hiking after not having hyped all
year and pull something. Then that's where your cover falls
back into just what your earnings were last year, or
justifying a decrease in earnings this year. Since we're having
a good conversation around ACC or even having some private insurance,
so talking to an insurance broker around that. So that way,
(16:14):
if something happens over summer, you've got something in place.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Really, Yeah, and I guess it's not ideal, but it's
better to have some cover than that, isn't it. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
I mean, ACC there is to help you, but it's
not doesn't always come through, as we sort of know
and see with most government agencies. Yeah, so just making
sure you've got your tea's crossed and your eyes dotted
kind of thing, and you've had some at least a
conversation around it anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And I should imagine most people are hopefully a lot
of people are aware of it, because there's a lot
of people have sort of had the slip up and
put of damage along the way.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Yeah, that's right, And from our perspective, it's making sure
if something does happen then you're at least getting something
come in that will help cover the cost of bringing
someone use on farm to help cover whatever you can't do.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Really, that's right. And at least then the farm can
you can still be out of the draw, and yeah,
that's rightly all going, well, yeah, that's right. Christmas parties
and gifts and so on. This is a bit of
a minefield, isn't it if you want to play by
the rules, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
I think the official advice from the Idea is like
twenty six pages long or something like that, and I've
got all these inclusion and exclusion criterias really, but there's
some really good rule of thumbs. Really, if you're providing
anything over all for your employees, so your Christmas parties
and things like that, anything food and drink related, it's
just going to be fifty percent deductible. If you're doing
(17:31):
like Christmas at the Racism things like that, again, that
stuff's fifty percent deductible. It's not often you'll see stuff
come through that's one hundred percent deductible, but at least
you're getting something for nothing sort of thing. So if
you're going to wrack up a few boxes of beer,
from liquor land or anything like that. Just make sure
you put it through the business because it's better to
get a claim for something rather than nothing really, yeah true, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, stead of just buying it across the bar. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah, you're putting it on your personal card for the guys,
so you might as well claim something where you can. Really,
But and a lot of time people do ask us
about like cash, bonuses and things like that, so there
are some fish hooks there. If you are giving anything
that's cash or feels like cash in the eyes of
your employees, that technically should go through either their renuneration
(18:16):
package so part of their pay, or they or you're
potentially in the line for paying some sort of fringe
benefit there as well. So the thresholds if you are interested,
the thresholds for that are either twelve hundred bucks a
year or three hundred dollars per employee, and if you
have quite a big team, it's up to twenty two
and a half thousand dollars a year for all your
employees in total. So if you are going to do
(18:37):
some sort of bonus or gift over Christmas, make sure
it's something. Yeah, make sure something that you purchased and
can pass on, or if you're doing some sort of
voucher or something, is better to go the vouchers route
than cash effectively.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, and it buys a lot of fuel and yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah potentially yea, yeah, fuel for the boats.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh and that's awesome. Look, that's just a lot of
this stuff is a wee bit over my head. But
when you say about twenty six pages, all I can
think of is there'll be loopholesy, it's got to be.
Not that you're professing that they should be, but we
know that people play it pretty straight. But there's always
things that can While you could be loopoles one way,
(19:18):
there's things that can catch you out on the other hand, too,
isn't here?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, I mean some of the stuff
is a little bit murky. But as long as you
get some good advice or at least offer it up
as a possibility, then we can have that joint discussion
together around what we can and can't claim completely.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah. So and this is your first time you're doing
this on the radio, you tell me before, Yes, yes,
it is yep. Ys. The nerves actually pretty good.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Now, Yeah, the first five seconds are probably the most
nerve wrecking, but I guess you get into the flow.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I would say seeing me medal around would get
rid of nerves for most people. Yes, so hey, look Gizie,
thank you very much for coming in and joining us.
And yeah, just all the best for the few future
and we'll keep in touch on some stage.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah, no, sounds good. And if I don't run into
anyone who's listening to this today, have a merry Christmas.
And if you do need some advice, just feel free
to reach out to us on three two one four
four one sixty six. Or if you're in town, either
in Gordon and Vicago, when you want a free coffee,
then drop into one of our offices and you can
get a bit of advice as well as a free
coffee too.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Get on and for a free coffee. It's not often
the lawyers to freeb is there? Oh sorry, the account Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
The counter is yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome, thanks.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You see awesome Banks.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The Muster proudly brought to you by Peter's Genetics. Every
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Speaker 2 (20:58):
On the show. Right now, we've got Keeley Bush coming
from Dearian z Kith a bit of Fleetwood met with
big love. It's pretty hard to not love the weather
and what's happening on farm at the moment.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Oh, you run slowly smiling.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's a well and change, isn't it from whether it's
previous weeks, months or years. It's just so good to
see positivity and people happy and some sunlight on our backs.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Yeah, sun on the backs. Everything is just taking along nicely. Actually,
it was great. I was out on farm yesterday and yeah,
there wasn't a frown in the crowd. I think it's fun.
He's run certainly got some pep in the old step.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Certainly does. Yeah, and like a wind but nice right,
like everything it's yeah, we're doing well. Yeah, what's been
happening out there in dearing zed world.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
So we're actually in the middle of event delivery at
the moment, and said, it always happens that we plan
these in advance and then all of a sudden, weeks
like this, she's all goes. So things are busy for
farmers and for but like I said, in the middle
of event delivery, and yesterday we ran the first in
our home Maximizing Homegrown Feed series So we were up
(22:10):
just north of Tepanou yesterday at Hka Emptin's place.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah it was great, good turnout, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Good turnout. The first event was head up in West
Otago in a wee while, so it was great and
really nice to be able to showcase a top operator
up in that region that's managing his homegrown feed really well.
And I guess the focus for these events has been
going to the hosts that are managing maximized or growing
(22:40):
a heak of a lot of feed first and foremost
and utilizing that really well, and then also feeding supplements
profitably on top of that. That great feed, that great pasture.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah yeah, and it's probably really still that straps. Isn't
that feed with that rain we had last week? And
there's a lot of people been quite prective with mowing,
and there's some beautiful feed, you know, good quality feed,
ready to be grace that any time, isn't there?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, definitely, the feed quality at the moment is looking great.
And you know, we're hearing reports of growth in the eighties.
I think one of my colleagues had heard of the
one hundreds, So I certainly growth has taken off, which
is great. As we know, intimating now and heading into summer,
it's going to set us up hopefully well for a
good summer surely.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And add to that there's been a good peak this year.
Chaos should be coming into well, getting in calf in
good condition. Let's just hope that the spring wasn't too
hard and they're all they're holding in there, they're going
to go good.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yeah, I think so from what we can hear or
what we've been here and I've been hearing. Certainly submission
hape has been good in those first few weeks. A
few people are going to do a six week scan
just to you know, make sure that whatever has been
got after holding. But yeah, from all accounts, and I
think certainly the sun will be helping the Yeah, matings looking.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
God, have you got more of those days coming up?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (24:13):
So, like I said, yesterday's was the first in the series.
So next week we are heading into Southland. So we've
got mart and Barty sorry but in Martin Luton from
Wanton hosting on Tuesday, and then Wednesday we're at Martin
Charlotte van Rossen's copooka and then Thursday heading over towards
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the tad Our with Tim and Ruby Ryan and all
of those there's a slight obviously we're looking at three
different businesses, but the messaging and the I guess the
outcomes of those events are all the same. Just looking
at operators that are you know, first and foremost utilizing
and growing really good levels of fastion crop on farm,
(24:58):
and then how they are adding in supplements and making
sure we're getting there getting good returns out of those supplements,
good responses. So yeah, we're really excited to be heading
to those three and actually we've also putten for people
to bring their staff along to We're going to split
the group at all three of those events and do
(25:21):
some light pasture measuring. I guess we're calling it pasture skills,
but it's a little bit more than just skills, you know,
talking about three leaf stage, the importance of residuals for
those team members on farms that aren't quite deciding what
supplements going in the system, but we'll be deciding what
round lengths are doing grazing plans and stuff. So twofold
(25:45):
the events has been designed for decision makers and those
people doing the doing on farm. So yeah, we're it
ran really really well us today to do a session,
so looking forward to doing it again next week, yep.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And for it can't make it like tips for going
forward for managing services, and you know, like agressive with
the mother or what's what's the general rule some.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Like grass is growing really fast at the moment. And
there's that key that piece of advice is that you
can't manage what you don't measure. So first and foremost,
if you're not measuring what you've got in creating a feed,
weidge weekly or updating it some people do it even
a bit more frequently then that then you know, it's
(26:31):
really hard to identify what you can pull out of
the ground and what you can't at this time of year.
Recording what pre and post grays and covers are doing.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
To help those identify surfaces early.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
We'll just make sure that you know, we can keep
quality up before that quality drops off. You know, if
you're going to be pulling paddocks out, you're wanting to
be making sure that that quality stays high. It's going
to be you know, feed quality siloge and sorry milk
and quality silage. You know, in the autumn for most people.
(27:04):
So if you know the earlier week and identify it.
The more we actions we can take to making sure
that whatever is as high can be of high quality
as well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Just stay in front of that game, isn't it really?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah? It is.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
And obviously you know, it's still quite a busy time
of year with mate and most people into their fourth
or fifth week, so still for those that AI sucks,
there's still two weeks potentially of picking cows. And obviously
it's a juggle this timing you're doing that and then
keeping your eye on the ball. But you know, if
you've got weekly data coming in to show what is
on the ground, at least you're not having to go
(27:40):
out with the eye on at every day trying to
decide what's staying in the round and what's got to
come out kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that's great advice. Hey, look, I think we're probably
pretty well covering everything off and time has slipped away
and you need to let you get back to your
You've got a child that's not so well. So thank
you very much for your time and all the best.
We'll catch up with you later.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Cool.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Thanks, Chris, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Thank you. The muster on the show with me. Now
I've got Robin Greer from PGG Rights in real Estate. Gooday, Robin,
bit of a bit of fleet with met seven Wonders
of the World. You know, seven Wonders music coming in?
(28:27):
Doesn't seeuth in a bit of a wonder on a
day like this?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Oh, isn't it great?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
And like you know, it's not the only day like
this that that that's the good thing about it. You know,
we've had a number now and yeah, it's enabled us
to grow some grass and get on top of everything,
isn't it. Most people? Well, you know, I saw a
very busy time of the year. People are sort of
probably where they would normally be at this time of
the year in general, I think would be fair to say.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I think so that it looked like, you know, a
lot of the silo and stuff started probably two to
three weeks late. But that looks they're getting through it now,
you know, I would say they caught up in that
rain we had last Friday. Certainly talked to a couple
of contractors and farmers have just held off for another
four or five days, just a little bit more bottom
come through.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
So yeah, it was good rain, wasn't it. You know,
it wasn't horizontal and it wasn't cold.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It was amazing. Just in No. When just I said
to someone the other day, if you could write a
script for the weather for a week, last week would
have been that.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah, no, and this week's looking pretty similar. So yeah, no,
it's all looking positive. And you know, we're with the
returns out there. I think most people are feeling on
top of things, which is good, and feeling a bit
positive about where the season's going.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Absolutely, and what are you seeing out there in the
real estate game plenty heckening.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, well, certainly with deary that it's very positive. Yet
there's certainly been lifting values there and yeah, things are
in good armed which is good. Dry stop property is
not quite the demand, but you know, if there's a
local or a neighbor that wants something, then you know
they're paying fairly for that.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
So yeah, overall, very positive, Like just like the whole
province is very positive at the moment, isn't It's great?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Certainly boyant atmosphere. I'm noticing that with machinery just all
of a sudden, inquires are flooding in. You know, yeah
that's bloody good. Obviously dairying then it's they're just ticking away.
They're moving. Are you getting much of the way of
lifestyle blocks or farmers coming off farms looking for that
sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Or yeah, there is, but that's moving along. I wouldn't
say it's anthing special, but it's nothing bad though either.
It's probably just ticking away nicely. Yeah. Yeah, And then
I guess for you know, farmers got to get their
farm sold. I guess that's the first priority. Get that
all tied up and tidy first, and then they start
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the next step some of them.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, completely, And you know, to sing, it's probably very
early to tell. Like Frontier just reent with the announcement
there in the last day or two. We'll take a
bit of a check. Or do you think that there's
still plenty of bolishness and confidence out there?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
No, Like heck, you know, even if we get a
nine dollars fifty payout that there's nothing wrong with that,
Like ten dollars would be better, no doubt about it.
But you know, people are still doing well at that
sort of level. So yeah, I don't see any change
like the demand out there as such that I don't
(31:33):
see any change in the demand for dairy at the moment,
just because of that announcement.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And I've also heard farmers are.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Pretty realistic, like you know that they realize there's always
a range there and that that that can still change
again before the end of the season up or down.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, that's right. And you hear also some big money
being paid further up country that I guess it's that
migration south. We but like how the dairy booms starts
back in the day that we well, we don't need
so much water to be played on the paddix anyway
through regates. We've got a pretty good supplier that out
of the sky and most of the time, and it
(32:13):
is good buying there for people that are getting some
cricket scores further north.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Oh, that's right, Like there's some big dollars being talked
up north.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's for sure.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
It makes South and the look extremely.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Good buying certainly does. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, and yeah, like you say, you know, we the
rain just happens here. We don't have to bring and
pay to get it put on touch wood.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yes, yes, yes, we carry on. But it's amazing how
the grass just does grow down here. Like three or
four weeks ago, they've been not long. Some first cuts
where you look at them now and they're not far
off a second cut in places.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah. No, we've had some great growth rates, that's for sure.
Like we were on Idiuri Farm, We've done baylage every
week now for the last three weeks. Yep, we're mining
more again today. It's yeah, No, it's a good continuous
spell of growth.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I guess if we're to talk dairy farm and your
FAMI in particular, just to we pivot there, how they
come through mating pretty well.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yeah, mission rate probably not quite we would like it
to be. But overall, yeah, no, looking pretty good. Really,
nothing bad, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So no, it's all looking good. You know, production's way
up and you know mating has gone reasonable. So yeah,
we're not complaining.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I'm thinking to you like, hopefully cows are well,
I'll be holding through mating and that grass is still
pretty good quality, so you hopefully wait see a big
dip off and obviously they're going to start planning off
somewhere with the production, but hopefully there's not a big
drop to start with.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah, Like, if we keep getting this a little bit
of rain every week, and you know we're keeping on
top of the quality, we're taking Baylors out and topping.
You know, there's no reason why we can't hold this,
you know, for a few months. Just like last season
we never peaked, but we old right through. But yeah,
this season, you know, we peak better and there's no
reason why we can't hold it just by keeping quality there.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, and I think there's been a number of years
unfortunately the way October's gone, where we've struggled to get
peaks anyway, So it's good, good to have some good return, correct.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, No, I think most eary farmers should be pretty
happy if we're things, and you know meat farmers as well,
here schedules where they are. It's certainly nothing to complain about,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Certainly looking up, isn't it. And just to pour our
grain farmers can do a bit more in their back
pocket turn we'd have the full sweet Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have a lot to do with
grain farmers, so that's not really an area of strength
of mind. Yeah, but yeah, I do hear that it's
not quarter as rosy.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
No, but you know this that seems to be the
swings around the outs of farming, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
It does, Like hey, in my forty ideas of farming.
There's always been ups and downs, and we win sometimes
and we don't other times.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh perfect, Hey, we've pretty well covered everything off, I think, Robin,
so I might have to bid you farewell and thank
you very much for your time and all the best.
I probably won't be talking to you before Christmas, but
have a great Christmas if not, and have a great summer.
Good on you.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, same to everybody else out there. Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Thanks The muster proudly brought to you by Peter's Genetics.
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Speaker 2 (35:33):
Here on the show. Right now, we've got Lynn Barry
calling in to have a bit of a chat with us,
and Lynn, you'd like to talk about the full Army worm.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yes, yes, so I thought we'd have a little chat
about that. There's a bit of maze going and now
down in Otigo in Southland, which has not been a
traditional maze growing area, and a few people are trying
a bit of sweet corn on a bigger scale, including Ben. Yeah,
(36:05):
so we'll see how that goes. But there's this little
caterpillar or it was a moth actually got blown across
from Australia, I thinks Australia. Yeah, I know the pain,
aren't they? Back in twenty and twenty two, it was
first found up in the North Island and when they
first found it by a security zeal And tried to
eradicate it, but they discovered that it was too well
(36:31):
point yep because like, and the thing is that if
it's blown over here once on a storm, then it's
probably happened again. Because these little fellows are really good
at traveling long distances, and they travel long distances and
storm fronts, but they can travel up to one hundred
(36:52):
k in the night the moths if they have to,
so they get around. So the problem is that they
attack maize and corn and some of our ryegrass crops,
and if you're a Chinese cabbage grower up in the
North Island then that's inertia as well. But in total,
(37:15):
they can effect about seventy nine different species of plants
in New Zealands. So they originated over in Central Asia
and America where it's warmer, and they've gradually been spreading around.
They do like it a little bit warmer because part
of their life cycle temperatures a glow seven to ten degrees. See,
(37:37):
it stops part of their life cycle and they and
they die out. And a good good hard froth in
the winter time can also help that as well.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
So we've got a good natural defense at least for
part of the year.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
For that, yes, yes, for part of the year, which
is really good. So the life cycle of this, they
call it a four army worm because the most damage
that it creates is in the autumn, and the Americans
call autumn fours. So heinst the four army wombs. They
there's four parts of the life cycle. The old moth
(38:14):
she hatches out and they do that actually at nighttime,
which is really interesting. Between about two to three hours
after sunset and they and before midnight is when your
moths will hatch out and they fly around and they
can lay They lay in little clusters on the underneath
(38:36):
of leaves one hundred to three hundred years and they
look like little gray clusters underneath the leap. But they
can one moth can lay up to potentially two thousand
eggs in a night. That's pretty good going.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
It's pretty impressive. Because that was a question I had,
was how prevalent are they breeding or you know, obviously.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Very pretty good. The eggs hatch down after two to
four days, and then they have a six six stage
larvae cycle, and you can start seeing the damage fond
those little larvae because you see little pin prick holes
in the leaves. And then as they get a bit bigger,
they eat one side of the green stuff out and
(39:18):
leave the skeleton of the leaf right, and then they
start making big holes. And then they move in to
the top of the plant. You know your corn plant
where all your leaves and you and your head comes
out of and they get inside it there and when
they get to that stage, it's really hard to control them, so.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
They just decimate the crop basically, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Just eats the top art they get down into the
corn or the maize cobs and they damage the inside
of that. And they call it armyworm because when you
get a heck of a lot of them, they actually
move through the crop and absolutely decimate it. They just
eat every in.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Its past and just go on the march.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, So that happens when you've got maybe up to
about five or six generations happening in the crop at
the same time. Then that's a long breathing session where
you've got good climatic conditions, but here in New Zealand
we might get two to three maybe four in a
really good season, So in a lot of cases it's
(40:26):
not as extreme as some other countries. So you can
go out. Best thing most important to go out when
your seedlings are starting to come out and identify, monitor
what's happening. Go and do some crop monitoring or put
out some pheromone traps and MPIs and a research have
(40:49):
got some really good information about the numbers in the
levels that we're looking for before you actually do something
about it.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
You're right, can you what is it? Piece asides? Anything
we can apply.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
To Yeah, it's too prong attack. Really if those numbers
get up and they're really really bad or starting to
get bad, you've got a chemical control. There is a
BARTA which is used for corn and maize and is
also integrated peace management where we've actually got parasitic wealth
(41:24):
that will lay their eggs and the caterpillar larvae, and
we've got spiders that will attack the larvae and eat
them as well. So we're wanting to not use a
general purpose and set aside because you're getting all those
good bugs as well that help combat them.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah at isn't it.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah? Yeah, And they also talking about increasing biodiversity around
the edges of the cop paddocks as well, so then
that increases the number of good bugs that are around.
But the big thing, the most important thing to do
is get outside and have a look and do some lines.
If you've got rows, do ten plants in a line
(42:06):
and then move one hundred or two hundred meters down
the paddica both and do another line. Or if you
are doing if you've got a paddicer eyegraphs or it's
a covered crop, then to make a w pattern and
monitor along those lines as well.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yep, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, So that's just something else and something watching.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Out for, isn't it. So just another test.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Yeah, And now that we're using maids a lot more
down south because they've got varieties now that we can
get to grow and mature before we actually we've got
enough growing degrees days and we haven't got too many frosts,
then that's possibly something that in the future we're going
to have to keep an eye out, because it is
down in parts of Canterbury.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Now all right, well, let's know good, we'll have to
really be vigilant. I'm looking out for that people. Hey then, look,
appreciate your time. Run out of it again as usual.
Thanks for catching up and we'll catch up with again
later on.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's all right, you guys, have a lovely day.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
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And hopefully people enjoy the sun and the weather. And
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Good afternoon, and welcome to the Muster. Today Wednesday, the
twenty sixth of November, thanks to Peter's Genetics. I'm Chris
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Today Today on the show, we have for you James
Edgar moa flat sheep and deer farmer, with a few
cattle Chesse Hall from Melick McLean, Keatie Buckingham and Dairy
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Robin Greer PGGW real Estate and Lynn Berry with a
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Today, Wednesday, the twin sixth of November. Cloud clearing and
becoming fine in the morning. Nor eastily is turning to
strong northwesterly in the morning, easing in the evening. A
high of twenty four and a love of twelve. Thursday
the twenty seventh of November, a few showers, clearing to
fine in the afternoon. Nor eastly is turning northwasterly before dawn.
High of twenty three alave ten. Friday the twenty eighth
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Eleanor's birthday. If you've seen it, give a big high
five or wish your heavy birthday. That's my mother. Mainly fine,
chance of a shower until afternoon, strong northwesterlyes high of
eighteen a low of nine. Saturday, the twenty ninth November fine,
then a few showers developing in the morning. Northwesterly is easing,
high of twenty and a love of ten. Sunday the
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thirtieth November a few showers, nor' easterly turning to strong
westerlies high of eighteen lave eight. Monday December the first
new month, New Week, showers and westerlyes high of seventeen
and a love of eight. We just had to come
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hosted at the Woodhead Farm at Level Flat Levels Flat,
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halfway between Milton and Bellclouther from three to seven pm Thursday,
the twenty seventh of November. The Emerson's Tiny pub and
Space Bar will be in attendance sharing the love the
Milton Lions. We're mending the barbecue with Silver Farns Farms
providing the meat. Milton Lions also have a van booked
for people to give them a ride home in the
Milton Bellclouther Lawrence area. It's also going to be coffee
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and ice cream cart available courtesy of ain Z ed
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How good does that sound? I could probably go with
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harves Center for allowing me to get away to this
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with the show.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Rights and stock sales report?
Speaker 3 (03:06):
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Here we'll go there And where did he go on
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Speaker 3 (03:09):
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Speaker 2 (03:15):
Stock sale action today. Unfortunately we're unable to raise anybody
from the bear Cluth of sale Yards. But yep, rest assured.
We will have stock saling action from the next hour
will be tomorrow, so we'll have that on the show
for we as well.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
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Speaker 2 (03:45):
With us on the show. Now we've got James Edgar
mora flat sheep and deer farmer. James here, you getting
on to be Chris.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
We're up in the sun today, which is quite nice
and I think it's twenty five degrees so yeah, the
last month has god of a just memory.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, that heat just it sneaks up on you when
you're used to cold weather for so long and then
it gets hot. It's just about too bloody. I shouldn't
be complaining, but yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Had a bit careful on the sun block early on.
I know most of the tailing was done in the
hurricane force windboard line because you had to just keep going.
But it's still windy here. But you know, you certainly
had to watch out for the sun because we didn't
really see it for a few months early on, did
we No there was.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
More a case of windburn there for a while than sunburn,
wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, we would have snow burned. I don't know what
the weather's come right, we're growing grass, need to keep
looking out for by to rain. But we have managed
to catch up and all the jobs to be fair,
which is really good. We've got all the crops and
everywhere and up with a few weeds in one of
(04:50):
the chol panics at rest. Everything else looks reasonably good
at the moment.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So yeah, yeah it is so you have all the
track work's done.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, basically, Yeah, we're just humming and hiring at the moment.
We're not put in the way one more we perico kao,
just in case it does get dry, just to carry
some feed forward, to be fear. With feed situations looking
really good. We don't have any boilers locked up, but
there's probably normal to be fear. We're try and put
it all into an animal at this time of year,
(05:20):
because we usually end up with a bit of a
feed surplus when we wine, because the lambs will go
into leaf and turn ups. Yes, still get away bit
of wind, yeah, usually as a surplus. Then that we
try and carry cod and a.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Lot of sheep guys. You know, once you get waning
out of the way and you know, I know, you
box up a few pairs to try and let them
come away from lambs as well if you haven't got
other crops in. But you know, give it three or
four weeks and you're genuinely out doing hay than anty
and supplement too.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's been interesting this spring. I think
the lambs were behind, but with the warmer weather now
definitely stand to round up. And I actually failed, I
think because it was a bit cooler, probably a bit
weater earlier on the spring. But we did actually have
designated kettle peddicks, and I think the kettle the bulls
have done really well. Just looks like they're probably the
(06:07):
best balls of had because they caught off and put
well on that ye pull the climbate, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And did they I guess it wasn't probably as wet
they would have made much damage.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
No, not too bad.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Up here.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
We usually were rotationally graze them. So we'll have them
in slightly bigger mobs. We'll say three peddicks and go
around and round. And we were the conditions and then
the graph covers maybe not being quite where we wanted them,
but still not too bad. But we ended up set
stocking them all oh nice, free to heat their next work.
Really well, it'll be interesting when we sort of have
a d brink on the season what we decide going forward.
(06:43):
I think the well the bulls usually find them when
you shift them into a new peddick, they sort of
take them a while. They will have their wee spot
where they go and rub something, you know, have a
spot where they're going to eat, and then they've got
the spot where they all meet them great around the
water trough, whereas we're films with them being set stopped
instead of having to find every week given to find
(07:03):
their new hierarchy and spots have just settled right down.
So yeah, that's certainly been something we've changed this year,
and it'll be interesting to know going forward we might
might carry on with that once that's good?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Do you? I was assuming you'll have more than you know,
just a few panics of them spread out, so yeah,
a bit of fighting when they get back together or
they're not bad.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
We don't we won't put them back together. So they
come off the winter crops, so we try and have mobs.
We've had them bigger before, we've had them over eighties.
But we just find they're quite hardened each other. So
we try and wint them the mobs of fifty and
then then we'll be spread them out at three to
the heat there on the grass.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Pais, Yeah, and they're just with their animals.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Then, yeah, they just with their friends and they go
all the way through and we'll just keep you just
keep weighing the mobs and taking them out so we
won't box them up. Sometimes I usually work if I'm losing.
You lose almost a month of growth if you box
them up, or something goes on, because they end up.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well about ten days.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, they lose weight for teen days and take some
yeah teen days at least to put it back on again.
Then the big square one and then they're gonna start
growing again.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
From Yeah, just a bit too big a cheek, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, so certainly full farmings. Nobody locks it until you
get paid. But yeah, that certainly an animal. But now
we've also well we waned yesterday or some of the
freezer years, so yeah, the price is looking really strong
in the sheep and beef steak there which is quite
a nice change.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Of guess you get a few names away the works.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Then Yeah, we got a wave here, a couple of hundred.
But the first time we've had eleven dollars for the
start of the season anyway, pretty yeah, take that to
be a sheep farmer.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah, it's well, it's not amazing. Well, it is amazing,
how quit the way it turns with the results were
so poor twelve eighteen months ago, weren't they to to
where it is now? It's just sort of come a
little bit leafd field.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, it has no I think we're in for probably
the best couple of year since since the Korean wall
boom is where I reckon it's get just with these levels. Yeah,
it certainly was interesting like eighteen months ago coming into
last season, to be fair, you know, the problem was
there was really no light at the end of the tunnel,
and then it just sort of got stronger last year.
(09:16):
And you know, I'm not silly. I think this is
probably a peak, sort of the peak of the lamb
and it won't maybe come off a wee bit from now,
but yeah, certainly exciting to at least get it. Yeah,
eleven eleven dollars. Seriously, change of sheep farming. It's it's great,
which is which is important when you see how many
trees and you know, the forestry and everything else. I
(09:36):
think it's really important for New Zealand to have a
strong sheep sector because you know, some of our country
up here just doesn't suit theiry cows and doesn't suit
the horticulture and it doesn't suit cropping, so you know
it sort of ussel or pine trees. And yeah, I
think it's personally I think right tree, right place. But yeah,
it's pretty sad seeing some of these whole farms get
planned down tree.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, there's some good countries gone under and it doesn't
do much for the commune there as a whole, I
think for keeping them going districts.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You know, no, absolutely no. If the carbon forestry, of course,
it's only the money only stays in cycles around the Zealand.
It's not earning export dollars either, is it. So which
is really important for everybody is to make sure when
the Zealand's earning export receipts. So it's actually really positive.
It's nice to see most things sort of up and yeah,
(10:24):
I guess the only thing that's down at the moment,
the velvet and it's it's really quite bad. But it
does go to show you how commodities have a cycle. Yes,
everyone has their weight turn in the sun, don't they.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, that's that's acceptable for the odd one to not
be pulling their way if everything else has gone along
really good.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Well an air business, we've sort of diversified and yeah,
so I suppose it's the catch twenty two when you're
all one product. When it's high, you have a really
strong business, and when it's lowers, the problems you've yeah,
you've got a really weak business. So yeah, we've made
a bit of a if it's a diverse voice, so
you bring a lot of kettlin and bring the deer
(11:05):
and then you're still sixty five percent sheep income. I
suppose so, but it does give you a nice diversification.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
You know what though, too, it's also really nice just
to have people that aren't kicking the stones and and
feeling beaten up. It's gone from that, just a good
amount of positivity. Everyone's now back to where that people
found because they love it and and the tough years
you're just it's just unsurvivable. So it's actually really good
(11:33):
to see people happy.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Oh absolutely, And I think for me personally, when you
go around, it's there's nothing better than driving past, you know,
a really good looking farm that's you can tell, you know,
it's loved and these investments back in it and you
know the grass looks good when you see those farms,
you know, you drive past as the farm and always
judge as a farmers, don't.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You well, you do you not that you're mean to,
but you you well, if it's judging or just observing.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, but that's I think that's the most exciting thing. Yeah.
I had a discussion group long Laura Valley yesterday and
I think it was the biggest take out from the
mood of the room that I got was people were
just really excited to be able to you know, vest
back into the thing farm that does. You know, you
(12:19):
don't mind cart and torn us for a little bit,
but it's just not a long term solution. Like it's
pretty hard when you're driving past things that are annoying
you and you feel like you don't have any.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Money to fix it.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I completely agree that'stration and it's nice to see even
I think you're starting to see the rural communities like
there's sort of a real buzz around, you know, there's
some property sales and people are spending more in the
towns and no, it's it's really nice.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Actually mate, Look we've gone over time. I'm sorry, but
thank you very much for your time and it's great
to not that I've met you in person, but over
the phone at least. So all the best for the
upcoming couple of months and hopefully have a bumper season.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, come check your hand next time we're at the
same place.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Chairs Yeah, well thiss. Next on the show, we've got
GC Hall from MacLean anymore. Good afternoon, GC. How you
(13:20):
going good? How are you good? Thanks? I've got the
tune little Lies from Fleetwood Max, so hopefully you're not
going to tell us any no no no lies this today.
How's the day going good? Good?
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Actually, it was quite good driving up from a Vicago
today to see a lot of tractors and things on
the road. So people definitely taking advantage of the good
weather that's out there.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's certainly all happening out there. Yeah, yep, yep. So
today we're going to talk a bit of ACC and
Christmas parties and gifts and that sort of carry on. Yep, yep,
tell us a bit about the ACC side of things.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Yeah, Actually, just before we do get into that, I'll
have a we plug about the Fonterra price release yesterday.
So not many people will be aware or if you are,
that Fonterra did bring out a fifty cents decrease in
the forecast, and so if you've got a farm that's
producing two hundred and fifty thousand milk solids, then that's
(14:14):
effectively a one hundred and twenty five k out of
your bottom line down below. So if you are concerned
or especially going to Christmas, just want him have a
bit more of a plan in place. It's a good
time to update those budgets and also maybe reach out
to your accountant just to check in on cash flow
and potentially tax in the new year as well, to
make sure you may not be paying more than you
(14:36):
need to, because if you did a plan at the
start there, obviously we'll be looking at a bit you
would have originally planned for a higher tax bill than
you're probably looking at now.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Certainly something to watch out for, isn't it, Yeah, yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, But in line with Christmas being next month as well,
I thought i'd just talk about just making sure you've
got some backup in place if something goes wrong, and
hopefully it doesn't go wrong over summer, but it is
always good to have a plan in place. And today's
theme is about ACC. So we have had a few
instances recently of some people really struggling through ACC, so
(15:08):
I thought it'd be quite topical to talk about it
today and just make the witness out there for ever
run to jump in and either talk to your accountant
or their insurance provider to make sure they actually have
some good cover in place. So if you don't have
personal and private insurance, then then basically you fall into ACC.
And not many people actually know there's two types of ACC,
(15:32):
so this is what we call ACC cover plus and
ACC cover plus extra. If you don't have a set
level of cover with ACC, which is the extra part,
then it's based on your earnings for the year last
or earnings last year. And so if you have been
trying to take advantage of tax advantages and spread the
income around and you get injured over summer, so you
(15:53):
say you have an accent on the bow to or
you decide to go hiking after not having hyped all
year and pull something. Then that's where your cover falls
back into just what your earnings were last year, or
justifying a decrease in earnings this year. Since we're having
a good conversation around ACC or even having some private insurance,
so talking to an insurance broker around that. So that way,
(16:14):
if something happens over summer, you've got something in place.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Really, Yeah, and I guess it's not ideal, but it's
better to have some cover than that, isn't it. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
I mean, ACC there is to help you, but it's
not doesn't always come through, as we sort of know
and see with most government agencies. Yeah, so just making
sure you've got your tea's crossed and your eyes dotted
kind of thing, and you've had some at least a
conversation around it anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And I should imagine most people are hopefully a lot
of people are aware of it, because there's a lot
of people have sort of had the slip up and
put of damage along the way.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Yeah, that's right, And from our perspective, it's making sure
if something does happen then you're at least getting something
come in that will help cover the cost of bringing
someone use on farm to help cover whatever you can't do.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Really, that's right. And at least then the farm can
you can still be out of the draw, and yeah,
that's rightly all going, well, yeah, that's right. Christmas parties
and gifts and so on. This is a bit of
a minefield, isn't it if you want to play by
the rules, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
I think the official advice from the Idea is like
twenty six pages long or something like that, and I've
got all these inclusion and exclusion criterias really, but there's
some really good rule of thumbs. Really, if you're providing
anything over all for your employees, so your Christmas parties
and things like that, anything food and drink related, it's
just going to be fifty percent deductible. If you're doing
(17:31):
like Christmas at the Racism things like that, again, that
stuff's fifty percent deductible. It's not often you'll see stuff
come through that's one hundred percent deductible, but at least
you're getting something for nothing sort of thing. So if
you're going to wrack up a few boxes of beer,
from liquor land or anything like that. Just make sure
you put it through the business because it's better to
get a claim for something rather than nothing really, yeah true, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, stead of just buying it across the bar. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
Yeah, you're putting it on your personal card for the guys,
so you might as well claim something where you can. Really,
But and a lot of time people do ask us
about like cash, bonuses and things like that, so there
are some fish hooks there. If you are giving anything
that's cash or feels like cash in the eyes of
your employees, that technically should go through either their renuneration
(18:16):
package so part of their pay, or they or you're
potentially in the line for paying some sort of fringe
benefit there as well. So the thresholds if you are interested,
the thresholds for that are either twelve hundred bucks a
year or three hundred dollars per employee, and if you
have quite a big team, it's up to twenty two
and a half thousand dollars a year for all your
employees in total. So if you are going to do
(18:37):
some sort of bonus or gift over Christmas, make sure
it's something. Yeah, make sure something that you purchased and
can pass on, or if you're doing some sort of
voucher or something, is better to go the vouchers route
than cash effectively.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, and it buys a lot of fuel and yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah potentially yea, yeah, fuel for the boats.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh and that's awesome. Look, that's just a lot of
this stuff is a wee bit over my head. But
when you say about twenty six pages, all I can
think of is there'll be loopholesy, it's got to be.
Not that you're professing that they should be, but we
know that people play it pretty straight. But there's always
things that can While you could be loopoles one way,
(19:18):
there's things that can catch you out on the other hand, too,
isn't here?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, I mean some of the stuff
is a little bit murky. But as long as you
get some good advice or at least offer it up
as a possibility, then we can have that joint discussion
together around what we can and can't claim completely.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah. So and this is your first time you're doing
this on the radio, you tell me before, Yes, yes,
it is yep. Ys. The nerves actually pretty good.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Now, Yeah, the first five seconds are probably the most
nerve wrecking, but I guess you get into the flow.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, I would say seeing me medal around would get
rid of nerves for most people. Yes, so hey, look Gizie,
thank you very much for coming in and joining us.
And yeah, just all the best for the few future
and we'll keep in touch on some stage.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
Yeah, no, sounds good. And if I don't run into
anyone who's listening to this today, have a merry Christmas.
And if you do need some advice, just feel free
to reach out to us on three two one four
four one sixty six. Or if you're in town, either
in Gordon and Vicago, when you want a free coffee,
then drop into one of our offices and you can
get a bit of advice as well as a free
coffee too.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Get on and for a free coffee. It's not often
the lawyers to freeb is there? Oh sorry, the account Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:25):
The counter is yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome, thanks.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
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Speaker 1 (20:40):
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Speaker 2 (20:58):
On the show. Right now, we've got Keeley Bush coming
from Dearian z Kith a bit of Fleetwood met with
big love. It's pretty hard to not love the weather
and what's happening on farm at the moment.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Oh, you run slowly smiling.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's a well and change, isn't it from whether it's
previous weeks, months or years. It's just so good to
see positivity and people happy and some sunlight on our backs.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Yeah, sun on the backs. Everything is just taking along nicely. Actually,
it was great. I was out on farm yesterday and yeah,
there wasn't a frown in the crowd. I think it's fun.
He's run certainly got some pep in the old step.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Certainly does. Yeah, and like a wind but nice right,
like everything it's yeah, we're doing well. Yeah, what's been
happening out there in dearing zed world.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
So we're actually in the middle of event delivery at
the moment, and said, it always happens that we plan
these in advance and then all of a sudden, weeks
like this, she's all goes. So things are busy for
farmers and for but like I said, in the middle
of event delivery, and yesterday we ran the first in
our home Maximizing Homegrown Feed series So we were up
(22:10):
just north of Tepanou yesterday at Hka Emptin's place.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah it was great, good turnout, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
Good turnout. The first event was head up in West
Otago in a wee while, so it was great and
really nice to be able to showcase a top operator
up in that region that's managing his homegrown feed really well.
And I guess the focus for these events has been
going to the hosts that are managing maximized or growing
(22:40):
a heak of a lot of feed first and foremost
and utilizing that really well, and then also feeding supplements
profitably on top of that. That great feed, that great pasture.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yeah yeah, and it's probably really still that straps. Isn't
that feed with that rain we had last week? And
there's a lot of people been quite prective with mowing,
and there's some beautiful feed, you know, good quality feed,
ready to be grace that any time, isn't there?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, definitely, the feed quality at the moment is looking great.
And you know, we're hearing reports of growth in the eighties.
I think one of my colleagues had heard of the
one hundreds, So I certainly growth has taken off, which
is great. As we know, intimating now and heading into summer,
it's going to set us up hopefully well for a
good summer surely.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
And add to that there's been a good peak this year.
Chaos should be coming into well, getting in calf in
good condition. Let's just hope that the spring wasn't too
hard and they're all they're holding in there, they're going
to go good.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Yeah, I think so from what we can hear or
what we've been here and I've been hearing. Certainly submission
hape has been good in those first few weeks. A
few people are going to do a six week scan
just to you know, make sure that whatever has been
got after holding. But yeah, from all accounts, and I
think certainly the sun will be helping the Yeah, matings looking.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
God, have you got more of those days coming up?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (24:13):
So, like I said, yesterday's was the first in the series.
So next week we are heading into Southland. So we've
got mart and Barty sorry but in Martin Luton from
Wanton hosting on Tuesday, and then Wednesday we're at Martin
Charlotte van Rossen's copooka and then Thursday heading over towards
(24:36):
the tad Our with Tim and Ruby Ryan and all
of those there's a slight obviously we're looking at three
different businesses, but the messaging and the I guess the
outcomes of those events are all the same. Just looking
at operators that are you know, first and foremost utilizing
and growing really good levels of fastion crop on farm,
(24:58):
and then how they are adding in supplements and making
sure we're getting there getting good returns out of those supplements,
good responses. So yeah, we're really excited to be heading
to those three and actually we've also putten for people
to bring their staff along to We're going to split
the group at all three of those events and do
(25:21):
some light pasture measuring. I guess we're calling it pasture skills,
but it's a little bit more than just skills, you know,
talking about three leaf stage, the importance of residuals for
those team members on farms that aren't quite deciding what
supplements going in the system, but we'll be deciding what
round lengths are doing grazing plans and stuff. So twofold
(25:45):
the events has been designed for decision makers and those
people doing the doing on farm. So yeah, we're it
ran really really well us today to do a session,
so looking forward to doing it again next week, yep.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And for it can't make it like tips for going
forward for managing services, and you know, like agressive with
the mother or what's what's the general rule some.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
Like grass is growing really fast at the moment. And
there's that key that piece of advice is that you
can't manage what you don't measure. So first and foremost,
if you're not measuring what you've got in creating a feed,
weidge weekly or updating it some people do it even
a bit more frequently then that then you know, it's
(26:31):
really hard to identify what you can pull out of
the ground and what you can't at this time of year.
Recording what pre and post grays and covers are doing.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
To help those identify surfaces early.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
We'll just make sure that you know, we can keep
quality up before that quality drops off. You know, if
you're going to be pulling paddocks out, you're wanting to
be making sure that that quality stays high. It's going
to be you know, feed quality siloge and sorry milk
and quality silage. You know, in the autumn for most people.
(27:04):
So if you know the earlier week and identify it.
The more we actions we can take to making sure
that whatever is as high can be of high quality
as well.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Just stay in front of that game, isn't it really?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Yeah? It is.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
And obviously you know, it's still quite a busy time
of year with mate and most people into their fourth
or fifth week, so still for those that AI sucks,
there's still two weeks potentially of picking cows. And obviously
it's a juggle this timing you're doing that and then
keeping your eye on the ball. But you know, if
you've got weekly data coming in to show what is
on the ground, at least you're not having to go
(27:40):
out with the eye on at every day trying to
decide what's staying in the round and what's got to
come out kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, that's great advice. Hey, look, I think we're probably
pretty well covering everything off and time has slipped away
and you need to let you get back to your
You've got a child that's not so well. So thank
you very much for your time and all the best.
We'll catch up with you later.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Cool.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Thanks, Chris, have a good one.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Thank you. The muster on the show with me. Now
I've got Robin Greer from PGG Rights in real Estate. Gooday, Robin,
bit of a bit of fleet with met seven Wonders
of the World. You know, seven Wonders music coming in?
(28:27):
Doesn't seeuth in a bit of a wonder on a
day like this?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Oh, isn't it great?
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:32):
And like you know, it's not the only day like
this that that that's the good thing about it. You know,
we've had a number now and yeah, it's enabled us
to grow some grass and get on top of everything,
isn't it. Most people? Well, you know, I saw a
very busy time of the year. People are sort of
probably where they would normally be at this time of
the year in general, I think would be fair to say.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I think so that it looked like, you know, a
lot of the silo and stuff started probably two to
three weeks late. But that looks they're getting through it now,
you know, I would say they caught up in that
rain we had last Friday. Certainly talked to a couple
of contractors and farmers have just held off for another
four or five days, just a little bit more bottom
come through.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
So yeah, it was good rain, wasn't it. You know,
it wasn't horizontal and it wasn't cold.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It was amazing. Just in No. When just I said
to someone the other day, if you could write a
script for the weather for a week, last week would
have been that.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Yeah, no, and this week's looking pretty similar. So yeah, no,
it's all looking positive. And you know, we're with the
returns out there. I think most people are feeling on
top of things, which is good, and feeling a bit
positive about where the season's going.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Absolutely, and what are you seeing out there in the
real estate game plenty heckening.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah, well, certainly with deary that it's very positive. Yet
there's certainly been lifting values there and yeah, things are
in good armed which is good. Dry stop property is
not quite the demand, but you know, if there's a
local or a neighbor that wants something, then you know
they're paying fairly for that.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
So yeah, overall, very positive, Like just like the whole
province is very positive at the moment, isn't It's great?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Certainly boyant atmosphere. I'm noticing that with machinery just all
of a sudden, inquires are flooding in. You know, yeah
that's bloody good. Obviously dairying then it's they're just ticking away.
They're moving. Are you getting much of the way of
lifestyle blocks or farmers coming off farms looking for that
sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Or yeah, there is, but that's moving along. I wouldn't
say it's anthing special, but it's nothing bad though either.
It's probably just ticking away nicely. Yeah. Yeah, And then
I guess for you know, farmers got to get their
farm sold. I guess that's the first priority. Get that
all tied up and tidy first, and then they start
(30:56):
the next step some of them.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, completely, And you know, to sing, it's probably very
early to tell. Like Frontier just reent with the announcement
there in the last day or two. We'll take a
bit of a check. Or do you think that there's
still plenty of bolishness and confidence out there?
Speaker 5 (31:12):
No, Like heck, you know, even if we get a
nine dollars fifty payout that there's nothing wrong with that,
Like ten dollars would be better, no doubt about it.
But you know, people are still doing well at that
sort of level. So yeah, I don't see any change
like the demand out there as such that I don't
(31:33):
see any change in the demand for dairy at the moment,
just because of that announcement.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
And I've also heard farmers are.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Pretty realistic, like you know that they realize there's always
a range there and that that that can still change
again before the end of the season up or down.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, that's right. And you hear also some big money
being paid further up country that I guess it's that
migration south. We but like how the dairy booms starts
back in the day that we well, we don't need
so much water to be played on the paddix anyway
through regates. We've got a pretty good supplier that out
of the sky and most of the time, and it
(32:13):
is good buying there for people that are getting some
cricket scores further north.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Oh, that's right, Like there's some big dollars being talked
up north.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
That's for sure.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
It makes South and the look extremely.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Good buying certainly does. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, and yeah, like you say, you know, we the
rain just happens here. We don't have to bring and
pay to get it put on touch wood.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yes, yes, yes, we carry on. But it's amazing how
the grass just does grow down here. Like three or
four weeks ago, they've been not long. Some first cuts
where you look at them now and they're not far
off a second cut in places.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah. No, we've had some great growth rates, that's for sure.
Like we were on Idiuri Farm, We've done baylage every
week now for the last three weeks. Yep, we're mining
more again today. It's yeah, No, it's a good continuous
spell of growth.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I guess if we're to talk dairy farm and your
FAMI in particular, just to we pivot there, how they
come through mating pretty well.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Yeah, mission rate probably not quite we would like it
to be. But overall, yeah, no, looking pretty good. Really,
nothing bad, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
So no, it's all looking good. You know, production's way
up and you know mating has gone reasonable. So yeah,
we're not complaining.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And I'm thinking to you like, hopefully cows are well,
I'll be holding through mating and that grass is still
pretty good quality, so you hopefully wait see a big
dip off and obviously they're going to start planning off
somewhere with the production, but hopefully there's not a big
drop to start with.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah, Like, if we keep getting this a little bit
of rain every week, and you know we're keeping on
top of the quality, we're taking Baylors out and topping.
You know, there's no reason why we can't hold this,
you know, for a few months. Just like last season
we never peaked, but we old right through. But yeah,
this season, you know, we peak better and there's no
reason why we can't hold it just by keeping quality there.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, and I think there's been a number of years
unfortunately the way October's gone, where we've struggled to get
peaks anyway, So it's good, good to have some good return, correct.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, No, I think most eary farmers should be pretty
happy if we're things, and you know meat farmers as well,
here schedules where they are. It's certainly nothing to complain about,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Certainly looking up, isn't it. And just to pour our
grain farmers can do a bit more in their back
pocket turn we'd have the full sweet Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah, yeah, I don't have a lot to do with
grain farmers, so that's not really an area of strength
of mind. Yeah, but yeah, I do hear that it's
not quarter as rosy.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
No, but you know this that seems to be the
swings around the outs of farming, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
It does, Like hey, in my forty ideas of farming.
There's always been ups and downs, and we win sometimes
and we don't other times.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Oh perfect, Hey, we've pretty well covered everything off, I think, Robin,
so I might have to bid you farewell and thank
you very much for your time and all the best.
I probably won't be talking to you before Christmas, but
have a great Christmas if not, and have a great summer.
Good on you.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, yeah, same to everybody else out there. Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
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Speaker 2 (35:33):
Here on the show. Right now, we've got Lynn Barry
calling in to have a bit of a chat with us,
and Lynn, you'd like to talk about the full Army worm.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yes, yes, so I thought we'd have a little chat
about that. There's a bit of maze going and now
down in Otigo in Southland, which has not been a
traditional maze growing area, and a few people are trying
a bit of sweet corn on a bigger scale, including Ben. Yeah,
(36:05):
so we'll see how that goes. But there's this little
caterpillar or it was a moth actually got blown across
from Australia, I thinks Australia. Yeah, I know the pain,
aren't they? Back in twenty and twenty two, it was
first found up in the North Island and when they
first found it by a security zeal And tried to
eradicate it, but they discovered that it was too well
(36:31):
point yep because like, and the thing is that if
it's blown over here once on a storm, then it's
probably happened again. Because these little fellows are really good
at traveling long distances, and they travel long distances and
storm fronts, but they can travel up to one hundred
(36:52):
k in the night the moths if they have to,
so they get around. So the problem is that they
attack maize and corn and some of our ryegrass crops,
and if you're a Chinese cabbage grower up in the
North Island then that's inertia as well. But in total,
(37:15):
they can effect about seventy nine different species of plants
in New Zealands. So they originated over in Central Asia
and America where it's warmer, and they've gradually been spreading around.
They do like it a little bit warmer because part
of their life cycle temperatures a glow seven to ten degrees. See,
(37:37):
it stops part of their life cycle and they and
they die out. And a good good hard froth in
the winter time can also help that as well.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
So we've got a good natural defense at least for
part of the year.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
For that, yes, yes, for part of the year, which
is really good. So the life cycle of this, they
call it a four army worm because the most damage
that it creates is in the autumn, and the Americans
call autumn fours. So heinst the four army wombs. They
there's four parts of the life cycle. The old moth
(38:14):
she hatches out and they do that actually at nighttime,
which is really interesting. Between about two to three hours
after sunset and they and before midnight is when your
moths will hatch out and they fly around and they
can lay They lay in little clusters on the underneath
(38:36):
of leaves one hundred to three hundred years and they
look like little gray clusters underneath the leap. But they
can one moth can lay up to potentially two thousand
eggs in a night. That's pretty good going.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
It's pretty impressive. Because that was a question I had,
was how prevalent are they breeding or you know, obviously.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Very pretty good. The eggs hatch down after two to
four days, and then they have a six six stage
larvae cycle, and you can start seeing the damage fond
those little larvae because you see little pin prick holes
in the leaves. And then as they get a bit bigger,
they eat one side of the green stuff out and
(39:18):
leave the skeleton of the leaf right, and then they
start making big holes. And then they move in to
the top of the plant. You know your corn plant
where all your leaves and you and your head comes
out of and they get inside it there and when
they get to that stage, it's really hard to control them, so.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
They just decimate the crop basically, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Just eats the top art they get down into the
corn or the maize cobs and they damage the inside
of that. And they call it armyworm because when you
get a heck of a lot of them, they actually
move through the crop and absolutely decimate it. They just
eat every in.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Its past and just go on the march.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, So that happens when you've got maybe up to
about five or six generations happening in the crop at
the same time. Then that's a long breathing session where
you've got good climatic conditions, but here in New Zealand
we might get two to three maybe four in a
really good season, So in a lot of cases it's
(40:26):
not as extreme as some other countries. So you can
go out. Best thing most important to go out when
your seedlings are starting to come out and identify, monitor
what's happening. Go and do some crop monitoring or put
out some pheromone traps and MPIs and a research have
(40:49):
got some really good information about the numbers in the
levels that we're looking for before you actually do something
about it.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
You're right, can you what is it? Piece asides? Anything
we can apply.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
To Yeah, it's too prong attack. Really if those numbers
get up and they're really really bad or starting to
get bad, you've got a chemical control. There is a
BARTA which is used for corn and maize and is
also integrated peace management where we've actually got parasitic wealth
(41:24):
that will lay their eggs and the caterpillar larvae, and
we've got spiders that will attack the larvae and eat
them as well. So we're wanting to not use a
general purpose and set aside because you're getting all those
good bugs as well that help combat them.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah at isn't it.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Yeah? Yeah, And they also talking about increasing biodiversity around
the edges of the cop paddocks as well, so then
that increases the number of good bugs that are around.
But the big thing, the most important thing to do
is get outside and have a look and do some lines.
If you've got rows, do ten plants in a line
(42:06):
and then move one hundred or two hundred meters down
the paddica both and do another line. Or if you
are doing if you've got a paddicer eyegraphs or it's
a covered crop, then to make a w pattern and
monitor along those lines as well.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yep, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, So that's just something else and something watching.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Out for, isn't it. So just another test.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
Yeah, And now that we're using maids a lot more
down south because they've got varieties now that we can
get to grow and mature before we actually we've got
enough growing degrees days and we haven't got too many frosts,
then that's possibly something that in the future we're going
to have to keep an eye out, because it is
down in parts of Canterbury.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Now all right, well, let's know good, we'll have to
really be vigilant. I'm looking out for that people. Hey then, look,
appreciate your time. Run out of it again as usual.
Thanks for catching up and we'll catch up with again
later on.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
That's all right, you guys, have a lovely day.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
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