September 18, 2025 • 9 mins
D Day is looming for Alliance Group and Jamie says this could be business defining for the co-operative.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
It has time for the Country crossover. We catch up
with South and B fullback. The rock star of the
South and B back line back in the day, Jamie
McKay also goes comes across as the host of the Country.
Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's a low shot. Actually, there was one player who
was worse on defense than me in the South and
B back line of nineteen eighty six. I remember it
well because it was the only year I ever got packed,
and that was my old mate Sean Value. Who knows
he might even be listening down and in Vicago. He's
a bit of a legend in his own lunchtime, Sean.
But he was very very very very quick, very fast winger,
(00:47):
but not too flash on the tackle.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Geez, anybody would have enhanced that South and Back line
on Sunday down on Incago, Jamie, that was a bit
of a train wreck.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh gee, there was a bit of sewn value Jamie
McKay defense going on on there. Look at it was
a train wreck and it's heart well, I suppose it's
a bit like the All Blacks, But it's hard to
reconcile the Southland team that went up and took the
shield against what we saw about Saw from County's Monaco,
who I think were always going to be a bit underrated.
(01:18):
I'm not a huge fan of Dalton Popo Lee he
or that other big hospitalitut. Yeah he's a lazy player,
but physically he's an imposing man and those two you know,
had a big say in that game. Look, it's just
a shame. I mean, we're all long suffering Stags fans
(01:38):
and we don't expect that team to win every week.
In fact, everyone is a bit of a bonus, but
we do and just like the All Blacks Andy, we
just want our team to play with a bit of heart,
not fly the white flag.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, I've got Wellington tomorrow at Potty Row. The unfortunate
thing is they get all their All Blacks back yep, and.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Some of those All Blacks will have a thing or
two to prove. So it is going to be tough.
And from what I understand, you can correct me if
I'm wrong. Haven't We lost our number eight and second
five to discipline reaction and those two have been pretty
until recent times anyhow, pretty outstanding contributors to the Stags effort.
(02:19):
You know, they certainly add a lot of physicality in
that big second five.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
What's his name? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, so he was the Auckland club player, wasn't he
two years? And you're thinking, if he's that good, why
did Auckland let him go? Well maybe that answer is
self answering. I honestly don't know, but there's obviously some
discipline issues there. I'm sure James Wilson won't have done
what he's done lightly. It's just a bit of a shame,
(02:47):
but it gives some other other guys a crack. It's
good to see the likes a Rory van Voot back
in the Stags Jersey Sevu Reese. Is he getting a
game again this week?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
That good old diggy Southerner.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yes, that loyal. Well he's stagged.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
At the Bonus Sevvy.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, to be fair, the poor buger didn't get much
of an opportunity, did he.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
All he got to do was tackle?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, but you know anyhow, Look, it is what it is,
and we can only wish them their best.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I just hope for the.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Team and their supporters and more importantly their sponsors, they
need to try and finish the season with a bit
of a wet saal.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't think we're going to make playoffs.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Or anything like that, but play with a bit of
conviction and you know you don't have to win, but
you you.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Want to go down fighting.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Scott Barrett the right person to be Locke and leader
of the Orbs. Would you say you'll have a bit
more of an insight and knowledge around this?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh I'm a wee bit biased when it comes to
the Barretts because I know Smiley pretty well and through
the artists formerly known as Lashes, I had a wee
bit to do with all three of those Barrett boys.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
We used to do golf days with them.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Look, I think the media is being too tough on
Scott Barrett in particular because if you go back a
week to the Eden Park or a week before last
week's Debarkle to the Eden Park, and that was a
magnificent victory over South Africa, Scott Barrett was probably my
man of the match. I thought he was outstanding in
the way he led the All Blacks. Yeah. Look, I
(04:18):
honestly don't know. I would certainly have him in my
starting fifteen. There is an argument that maybe Ardie Savez
more of a follow me leader. I'm not quite sure.
You know, Cody Taylor wasn't on the paddock. And when
I look at that All Black team, Andy, and it's
easy to be critical from the sideline, but I look
(04:39):
back to our really last great All Black side, and
that was the twenty fifteen side, the side that won
the Rugby World Cup at Twickenham. And you know you
had Ritchie and Dan and Sam White Locke and Kevin
me Alamu and Tony Woodcock although he might not have
been in the final, and the locks of Conrad Smith
Sonny Bill came on there, Ben Smith. We just had
(05:02):
a whole lot of guys who will be regarded as
All Black greats. Karen Reid, Jerome Kaino, you name it.
That All Black side of twenty fifteen. That would have
been half a dozen of them named in a World fifteen.
And I look at the All Black team now, who
would be named in a World fifteen? Well, Ardie would be,
(05:23):
Will Jordan would be?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Would he in the moment though, Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I think if he was given free reign, I
think so, yeah, he's an outstanding player.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
But that might be about it.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, We'll talk something else of them than rugby. I
can just hear Chanelle Pariser am my conscious thing they
talk him lilty rugby again. So we'll talk how will
we talk about the Alliance Group Now it all comes
to a little the crunch basically over the next couple
of weeks for the cooperative.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, so on my show today, I don't know whether
you would have caught up with the s Andy. I
spoke to Riley Kennedy from Business Desk, who's written a
really good piece on this, and he's just quoting Mark Reel.
The Mark Reel, Mark win let's get it right, and
Mark Wynn says, very real, that's how the chair of
(06:12):
the Alliance Group describes the threat of the process of
collapsing if the proposed deal with Dawn Meats fails. So,
as we discussed, this is really Hobson's choice. I think
for Alliance Farmer shareholders, supposedly on paper it's a good deal.
I don't know whether going from one hundred percent farm
or own cooperative to only having a thirty five percent
(06:34):
stake in the company's what you call a really good deal,
but it's the only one on the table at the moment.
And we did discuss the prospect of some high profile,
well held Alliance Group shareholders maybe making a last minute
attempt to salvage the cooperative and keep it one hundred
(06:56):
percent owned. But they're talking telephone book numbers here.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Andy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know Alliance debt three hundred and fifty four hundred
million dollars. You know, two hundred million dollars of the
two hundred and fifty from Dawn Meats is going to
go straight to the bank, you know, to repay banking facilities.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't know where the farmers have got a choice.
And I see on the ODT. You may not have
seen that this morning, Andy, one of your correspondents, Big
Ben Dooley's there in the stubbies as you'd expect, in
front of the tractor, and that the headline is rebate
from proposed sale and significant. This is some of the
rebate and divid and the farmers will get. But I'm
(07:37):
not sure there's a real alternative. And he's basically saying
the same thing, and he would obviously know more about
it than me. It's just a bit of a shame
really that, as I said to Riley Kennedy, are once mighty,
and the Alliance Group was once a mighty meat company,
has come to this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Are you hearing of any Alliance shareholders who are refusing
to accept what it's proposed.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Most of the.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ones that I've talked to are saying, we don't actually
like it that much, but what's the alternative? Alternative? And
that's basically what Mark Winn's saying. So so they vote
next month, don't they October the twentieth, At least half
of the four thousand, five hundred shareholders have to vote,
and I'm sure they'll have no trouble getting past that threshold.
(08:26):
And then of those that vote, seventy five percent of
them have to vote in favor unless there's a really
meaningful last minute deal done by some cartel of large
and significant Alliance shareholders. I see, there's no alternative, and
they're going to have to vote in favor of this
(08:47):
because the alternative if they vote no, is the collapse
of the country and the shares are going to be
worth nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Use the very cartel.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's hardly nacos.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, I don't know, You've got to be careful how
you speak in the rural media these days, Andy as well.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You know, absolutely you do.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Jamie. Hey, look we'll leave it there, enjoy the weekend
and Antler's up tomorrow. We need it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Ah yeah, yeah, just you know, just go down fighting. Yeah.
If they don't like it, up and go the Stags.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Damie McKay South and B fullback from nineteen eighty six,
joining us on the country crossover. Up next, Currie Allen.
We're talking agro business and schools.
It has time for the Country crossover. We catch up
with South and B fullback. The rock star of the
South and B back line back in the day, Jamie
McKay also goes comes across as the host of the Country.
Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's a low shot. Actually, there was one player who
was worse on defense than me in the South and
B back line of nineteen eighty six. I remember it
well because it was the only year I ever got packed,
and that was my old mate Sean Value. Who knows
he might even be listening down and in Vicago. He's
a bit of a legend in his own lunchtime, Sean.
But he was very very very very quick, very fast winger,
(00:47):
but not too flash on the tackle.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Geez, anybody would have enhanced that South and Back line
on Sunday down on Incago, Jamie, that was a bit
of a train wreck.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh gee, there was a bit of sewn value Jamie
McKay defense going on on there. Look at it was
a train wreck and it's heart well, I suppose it's
a bit like the All Blacks, But it's hard to
reconcile the Southland team that went up and took the
shield against what we saw about Saw from County's Monaco,
who I think were always going to be a bit underrated.
(01:18):
I'm not a huge fan of Dalton Popo Lee he
or that other big hospitalitut. Yeah he's a lazy player,
but physically he's an imposing man and those two you know,
had a big say in that game. Look, it's just
a shame. I mean, we're all long suffering Stags fans
(01:38):
and we don't expect that team to win every week.
In fact, everyone is a bit of a bonus, but
we do and just like the All Blacks Andy, we
just want our team to play with a bit of heart,
not fly the white flag.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well, I've got Wellington tomorrow at Potty Row. The unfortunate
thing is they get all their All Blacks back yep, and.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Some of those All Blacks will have a thing or
two to prove. So it is going to be tough.
And from what I understand, you can correct me if
I'm wrong. Haven't We lost our number eight and second
five to discipline reaction and those two have been pretty
until recent times anyhow, pretty outstanding contributors to the Stags effort.
(02:19):
You know, they certainly add a lot of physicality in
that big second five.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
What's his name? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay, so he was the Auckland club player, wasn't he
two years? And you're thinking, if he's that good, why
did Auckland let him go? Well maybe that answer is
self answering. I honestly don't know, but there's obviously some
discipline issues there. I'm sure James Wilson won't have done
what he's done lightly. It's just a bit of a shame,
(02:47):
but it gives some other other guys a crack. It's
good to see the likes a Rory van Voot back
in the Stags Jersey Sevu Reese. Is he getting a
game again this week?
Speaker 1 (02:59):
That good old diggy Southerner.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yes, that loyal. Well he's stagged.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
At the Bonus Sevvy.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, to be fair, the poor buger didn't get much
of an opportunity, did he.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
All he got to do was tackle?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, but you know anyhow, Look, it is what it is,
and we can only wish them their best.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I just hope for the.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Team and their supporters and more importantly their sponsors, they
need to try and finish the season with a bit
of a wet saal.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't think we're going to make playoffs.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Or anything like that, but play with a bit of
conviction and you know you don't have to win, but
you you.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Want to go down fighting.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Scott Barrett the right person to be Locke and leader
of the Orbs. Would you say you'll have a bit
more of an insight and knowledge around this?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Oh I'm a wee bit biased when it comes to
the Barretts because I know Smiley pretty well and through
the artists formerly known as Lashes, I had a wee
bit to do with all three of those Barrett boys.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
We used to do golf days with them.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Look, I think the media is being too tough on
Scott Barrett in particular because if you go back a
week to the Eden Park or a week before last
week's Debarkle to the Eden Park, and that was a
magnificent victory over South Africa, Scott Barrett was probably my
man of the match. I thought he was outstanding in
the way he led the All Blacks. Yeah. Look, I
(04:18):
honestly don't know. I would certainly have him in my
starting fifteen. There is an argument that maybe Ardie Savez
more of a follow me leader. I'm not quite sure.
You know, Cody Taylor wasn't on the paddock. And when
I look at that All Black team, Andy, and it's
easy to be critical from the sideline, but I look
(04:39):
back to our really last great All Black side, and
that was the twenty fifteen side, the side that won
the Rugby World Cup at Twickenham. And you know you
had Ritchie and Dan and Sam White Locke and Kevin
me Alamu and Tony Woodcock although he might not have
been in the final, and the locks of Conrad Smith
Sonny Bill came on there, Ben Smith. We just had
(05:02):
a whole lot of guys who will be regarded as
All Black greats. Karen Reid, Jerome Kaino, you name it.
That All Black side of twenty fifteen. That would have
been half a dozen of them named in a World fifteen.
And I look at the All Black team now, who
would be named in a World fifteen? Well, Ardie would be,
(05:23):
Will Jordan would be?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Would he in the moment though, Oh.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, I think if he was given free reign, I
think so, yeah, he's an outstanding player.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
But that might be about it.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Right, We'll talk something else of them than rugby. I
can just hear Chanelle Pariser am my conscious thing they
talk him lilty rugby again. So we'll talk how will
we talk about the Alliance Group Now it all comes
to a little the crunch basically over the next couple
of weeks for the cooperative.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, so on my show today, I don't know whether
you would have caught up with the s Andy. I
spoke to Riley Kennedy from Business Desk, who's written a
really good piece on this, and he's just quoting Mark Reel.
The Mark Reel, Mark win let's get it right, and
Mark Wynn says, very real, that's how the chair of
(06:12):
the Alliance Group describes the threat of the process of
collapsing if the proposed deal with Dawn Meats fails. So,
as we discussed, this is really Hobson's choice. I think
for Alliance Farmer shareholders, supposedly on paper it's a good deal.
I don't know whether going from one hundred percent farm
or own cooperative to only having a thirty five percent
(06:34):
stake in the company's what you call a really good deal,
but it's the only one on the table at the moment.
And we did discuss the prospect of some high profile,
well held Alliance Group shareholders maybe making a last minute
attempt to salvage the cooperative and keep it one hundred
(06:56):
percent owned. But they're talking telephone book numbers here.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Andy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know Alliance debt three hundred and fifty four hundred
million dollars. You know, two hundred million dollars of the
two hundred and fifty from Dawn Meats is going to
go straight to the bank, you know, to repay banking facilities.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't know where the farmers have got a choice.
And I see on the ODT. You may not have
seen that this morning, Andy, one of your correspondents, Big
Ben Dooley's there in the stubbies as you'd expect, in
front of the tractor, and that the headline is rebate
from proposed sale and significant. This is some of the
rebate and divid and the farmers will get. But I'm
(07:37):
not sure there's a real alternative. And he's basically saying
the same thing, and he would obviously know more about
it than me. It's just a bit of a shame
really that, as I said to Riley Kennedy, are once mighty,
and the Alliance Group was once a mighty meat company,
has come to this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Are you hearing of any Alliance shareholders who are refusing
to accept what it's proposed.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Most of the.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ones that I've talked to are saying, we don't actually
like it that much, but what's the alternative? Alternative? And
that's basically what Mark Winn's saying. So so they vote
next month, don't they October the twentieth, At least half
of the four thousand, five hundred shareholders have to vote,
and I'm sure they'll have no trouble getting past that threshold.
(08:26):
And then of those that vote, seventy five percent of
them have to vote in favor unless there's a really
meaningful last minute deal done by some cartel of large
and significant Alliance shareholders. I see, there's no alternative, and
they're going to have to vote in favor of this
(08:47):
because the alternative if they vote no, is the collapse
of the country and the shares are going to be
worth nothing.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Use the very cartel.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It's hardly nacos.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Well, I don't know, You've got to be careful how
you speak in the rural media these days, Andy as well.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
You know, absolutely you do.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Jamie. Hey, look we'll leave it there, enjoy the weekend
and Antler's up tomorrow. We need it.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Ah yeah, yeah, just you know, just go down fighting. Yeah.
If they don't like it, up and go the Stags.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Damie McKay South and B fullback from nineteen eighty six,
joining us on the country crossover. Up next, Currie Allen.
We're talking agro business and schools.
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