September 10, 2025 • 8 mins
With Netball NZ in the headlines for all the wrong reasons, Nathan Burdon looks at what this means for the sport in the long term.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Residents spouting Guru Nathan Brandon joins us once again. That's
good afternoon, nine to eleven. We'll talk about this briefly,
the anniversary of the demolition of the Twin Tailers due
to terrorism. Two planes going in there. Where were you
when it happened?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, And it is one of those moments, isn't it?
Very somber time, even all these years on. I do
remember being at the Southern Times working there at the time,
and it was sort of war hands on deck, and
I remember we put out a special edition of the
paper and furiously trying to get a hold of southenders
who were living in New York or living in various
(00:45):
parts of the United.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
States that were affected by that. It was a horrible
sort of terrorist act.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So probably it was an exciting time from a journalism perspective,
but in terms of humanity, obviously a terrible time. And
I was actually in New York three years later for
the for the I guess the remembrance, the three year
anniversary of it, and looking down into what was still
a massive crater where the Twin Towers had been, and
(01:12):
you sort of gave you a sense of the scale
all the blown out windows of the buildings around the
place too, gave you a sense of the scale of
just what a what a huge thing it had been.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right the Zorbacks team degrout Takeyaho, Lomex, Barrett Vay, Parker,
saves A, Tt Hotham, Barrett Cassa, Barrett Proctor, Jordan Mackenzie, Reserves, McAllister, Williams, Neill, Holland,
KURRIFFI Christie to Pia and love Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I guess unlike Rasci Erasmus Rasor, Robertson hasn't made any
more changes than he really needed to. Has he sort
of just covering those those injuries and whatnot from from
last week? And and the question I guess will be,
you know, can this team bring the same physicality that
they were able to provided Eden Park? And I think
Ardie Save after his one hundred tests ask the question
(02:04):
really put the challenge down, I think to his teammates
to say, you know, we can. We can get up
for a big game like this when we're trying to
defend a fifty test record at eden Park, but every
stadium in New Zealand there's our home stadium and we
need to be able to bring this regardless of where
we are, and we know they've got a pretty average
recent record in the Capital, particularly against South Africa, so
(02:27):
that it'll be interesting comes Saturday whether they can whether
they can do it back up two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We talked about this briefly before we came on there.
Leroy Carter, it sounds like he's got more towe than
a Roman sandal.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Great line, great line.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
That's a great line.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Anyway, it's an old school line. We might get on
to old school later on this. Yeah, Leroy Cardo, huge pace,
isn't it one of those aspects of the game that
you can't coach. He's an exciting talents. It gets an
opportunity on the back of some pretty strong super rugby performances,
isn't it. And what one of those players that sort
of graduated out of the sevens program as well, So
(03:05):
it'd be great to see him get a wee bit
of space on that left wing and let him loose,
see what he can do.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Athan the Greek keeps his place in the front row.
He's been playing pretty well.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, this is this has been a massive comeback story,
hasn't it? From Ethan And obviously we follow this this closely.
He's a he's a Southend, a true and true Ethan,
the Greek, and he's been given his opportunity this year
and he's and he's taken.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He's taken both hands. He would have he would have loved,
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That opportunity to challenge himself against that big South African
pack last week and he and he did more than
a job. He did a great job for the All Blacks.
And it's just great to see him sort of finding
that form.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It wasn't that long ago that he was probably the
best luc head prop in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And and you know he's probably rapidly getting back up
there again.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Sevier Reese making his South and Staggs debut on Sunday,
so more or less he's out of the abs frame
for the time being.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Definitely the like the All Blacks loss and obviously some
some form issues in terms of the back through for
the All Blacks, is Southod's gain and what a great opportunity.
Probably a late Sunday afternoon contest against counties. Possibly not
the most inspiring sort of fear, but when you throw
in a Severy rece debut, I was going to say
(04:20):
Maroon Jersey. But of course they're playing in the charity
of Purple Strip this weekend, helping to raise money for
that great cause Hawtondale Village. So yeah, great to see
sever res out there. Be even greater if he could
get away hat trick on his in his Stag's debut,
wouldn't it and help us to a big one over Counties. Right?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You mentioned the word old school before we got to
address this snip on New Zealand in the sacking of
Dame Noline Tarroa. There sounds like there is so much
this to unpack.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's huge, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And I think we're only hearing sort of obliquely some
of the some of the issues that may have brought
us to this point. I was reflecting on this before
and thinking probably about you know Ian Foster and during
his coaching tenure and all Blacks, and you know, he
was sitting very close to being sacked and then until
(05:13):
a sort of a delegation of senior players went to
New Zealand Rugby and said no, he's their man and
we want you to keep him. And that was enough
to keep Foster in his job through the through to
the rugby World Cup, and I guess this is the
this is the other side of the coin.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Sounds like a selection of.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Players not happy with aspects of Nolin Dame Dame Nolen
Toto is coaching. But I guess the question for me
is I can't imagine her coaching style has changed terribly
much over the last few years. So you know what,
what is the thing that is that has sparked sparked
these issues and brought.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Us to this point. I've got to say.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, Dan Nolen would have to be one of
the most respected figures in New Zealand netball, and obviously
people down in the South have got a real soft
spot for her after her time down coaching down.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Here as well.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So I think no one's winning out of the situation
at the moment, and hopefully it can can't be brought
through to a positive conclusion.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Do you think this is a case of the precious
generation coming through?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, whether we label it the precious generas definitely. I
think most people involved in high performance sport recognize that
there's a generation of athlete coming through now that that
ask more questions than the players before them. They don't
want to know that, they don't just want to know what.
They want to know why, and that's sort of that
has prompted some I guess coaches to be a bit
(06:37):
more thoughtful or think differently about how they deliver messages
and that sort of thing. But at the end of
the days, it's the coach's job to get the best out.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Of the players.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And sometimes that's not all about that's not all about
hugs and kisses. It's you know, sometimes there's some tough
love required as well. So you know is that this
could well be one of those situations.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Matt Winner, right Chair of New Zealand, coming out and
saying that the as Premiership list next year is still
going to be an exciting with all these younger players
coming through. But the reality is, Nathan, you know what
it's like. You follow netball quite a bit. A lot
of these players have gone over to Australia. It's going
to decimate the competition of top talent. Yes, these young
players are coming through, but these young fans coming through
(07:18):
the gates, they want to see these top players.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, you're dead right, mate.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Seven or eight of the New Zealand's best players, plus
a handful of others heading across the ditch or heading
to other opportunities. England's out there as well, so I
think we've got a taste of it this year. This
was an opportunity for some of those young players to
come through with quite a heavy injury toll at the
start of the competition, and instead we sort of we
(07:46):
saw some players coming out of retirement. So I just
don't know whether the depth exists at the moment. And
it's a real shame because I guess the New Zealand
game domestically is quite finally poised in terms of whether
it's commercially sustainable or not. And it was actually a
pretty good product all in all, you know, with the
changes that they made, and it was quite a close competition,
(08:07):
lots of lots of close games. So after what was
a reasonably positive sort of season, this is probably the
last thing that Netball and New Zealand needs.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Get on your naths and always appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's lovely, thanks mate, Laugh out loud with ag proud
because life on the land can be a laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Brought to us by sheer Well Data working to help
the livestock farmer. Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a
fruit wisdom has never put one into a fruit salad.
Leave it there for the afternoon. Appreciated your company. I'm
Andy Muller. This has been the master on hawkin Nui.
Many things to Peter's genetics. Enjoy the afternoon, see it
(08:49):
tomorrow one o'clock
Residents spouting Guru Nathan Brandon joins us once again. That's
good afternoon, nine to eleven. We'll talk about this briefly,
the anniversary of the demolition of the Twin Tailers due
to terrorism. Two planes going in there. Where were you
when it happened?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, And it is one of those moments, isn't it?
Very somber time, even all these years on. I do
remember being at the Southern Times working there at the time,
and it was sort of war hands on deck, and
I remember we put out a special edition of the
paper and furiously trying to get a hold of southenders
who were living in New York or living in various
(00:45):
parts of the United.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
States that were affected by that. It was a horrible
sort of terrorist act.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
So probably it was an exciting time from a journalism perspective,
but in terms of humanity, obviously a terrible time. And
I was actually in New York three years later for
the for the I guess the remembrance, the three year
anniversary of it, and looking down into what was still
a massive crater where the Twin Towers had been, and
(01:12):
you sort of gave you a sense of the scale
all the blown out windows of the buildings around the
place too, gave you a sense of the scale of
just what a what a huge thing it had been.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Right the Zorbacks team degrout Takeyaho, Lomex, Barrett Vay, Parker,
saves A, Tt Hotham, Barrett Cassa, Barrett Proctor, Jordan Mackenzie, Reserves, McAllister, Williams, Neill, Holland,
KURRIFFI Christie to Pia and love Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I guess unlike Rasci Erasmus Rasor, Robertson hasn't made any
more changes than he really needed to. Has he sort
of just covering those those injuries and whatnot from from
last week? And and the question I guess will be,
you know, can this team bring the same physicality that
they were able to provided Eden Park? And I think
Ardie Save after his one hundred tests ask the question
(02:04):
really put the challenge down, I think to his teammates
to say, you know, we can. We can get up
for a big game like this when we're trying to
defend a fifty test record at eden Park, but every
stadium in New Zealand there's our home stadium and we
need to be able to bring this regardless of where
we are, and we know they've got a pretty average
recent record in the Capital, particularly against South Africa, so
(02:27):
that it'll be interesting comes Saturday whether they can whether
they can do it back up two weeks in a row.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
We talked about this briefly before we came on there.
Leroy Carter, it sounds like he's got more towe than
a Roman sandal.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Great line, great line.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
That's a great line.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Anyway, it's an old school line. We might get on
to old school later on this. Yeah, Leroy Cardo, huge pace,
isn't it one of those aspects of the game that
you can't coach. He's an exciting talents. It gets an
opportunity on the back of some pretty strong super rugby performances,
isn't it. And what one of those players that sort
of graduated out of the sevens program as well, So
(03:05):
it'd be great to see him get a wee bit
of space on that left wing and let him loose,
see what he can do.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Athan the Greek keeps his place in the front row.
He's been playing pretty well.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, this is this has been a massive comeback story,
hasn't it? From Ethan And obviously we follow this this closely.
He's a he's a Southend, a true and true Ethan,
the Greek, and he's been given his opportunity this year
and he's and he's taken.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He's taken both hands. He would have he would have loved,
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That opportunity to challenge himself against that big South African
pack last week and he and he did more than
a job. He did a great job for the All Blacks.
And it's just great to see him sort of finding
that form.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It wasn't that long ago that he was probably the
best luc head prop in the world.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And and you know he's probably rapidly getting back up
there again.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Sevier Reese making his South and Staggs debut on Sunday,
so more or less he's out of the abs frame
for the time being.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Definitely the like the All Blacks loss and obviously some
some form issues in terms of the back through for
the All Blacks, is Southod's gain and what a great opportunity.
Probably a late Sunday afternoon contest against counties. Possibly not
the most inspiring sort of fear, but when you throw
in a Severy rece debut, I was going to say
(04:20):
Maroon Jersey. But of course they're playing in the charity
of Purple Strip this weekend, helping to raise money for
that great cause Hawtondale Village. So yeah, great to see
sever res out there. Be even greater if he could
get away hat trick on his in his Stag's debut,
wouldn't it and help us to a big one over Counties. Right?
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You mentioned the word old school before we got to
address this snip on New Zealand in the sacking of
Dame Noline Tarroa. There sounds like there is so much
this to unpack.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
It's huge, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And I think we're only hearing sort of obliquely some
of the some of the issues that may have brought
us to this point. I was reflecting on this before
and thinking probably about you know Ian Foster and during
his coaching tenure and all Blacks, and you know, he
was sitting very close to being sacked and then until
(05:13):
a sort of a delegation of senior players went to
New Zealand Rugby and said no, he's their man and
we want you to keep him. And that was enough
to keep Foster in his job through the through to
the rugby World Cup, and I guess this is the
this is the other side of the coin.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Sounds like a selection of.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Players not happy with aspects of Nolin Dame Dame Nolen
Toto is coaching. But I guess the question for me
is I can't imagine her coaching style has changed terribly
much over the last few years. So you know what,
what is the thing that is that has sparked sparked
these issues and brought.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Us to this point. I've got to say.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, Dan Nolen would have to be one of
the most respected figures in New Zealand netball, and obviously
people down in the South have got a real soft
spot for her after her time down coaching down.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Here as well.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So I think no one's winning out of the situation
at the moment, and hopefully it can can't be brought
through to a positive conclusion.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Do you think this is a case of the precious
generation coming through?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, whether we label it the precious generas definitely. I
think most people involved in high performance sport recognize that
there's a generation of athlete coming through now that that
ask more questions than the players before them. They don't
want to know that, they don't just want to know what.
They want to know why, and that's sort of that
has prompted some I guess coaches to be a bit
(06:37):
more thoughtful or think differently about how they deliver messages
and that sort of thing. But at the end of
the days, it's the coach's job to get the best out.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Of the players.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
And sometimes that's not all about that's not all about
hugs and kisses. It's you know, sometimes there's some tough
love required as well. So you know is that this
could well be one of those situations.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Matt Winner, right Chair of New Zealand, coming out and
saying that the as Premiership list next year is still
going to be an exciting with all these younger players
coming through. But the reality is, Nathan, you know what
it's like. You follow netball quite a bit. A lot
of these players have gone over to Australia. It's going
to decimate the competition of top talent. Yes, these young
players are coming through, but these young fans coming through
(07:18):
the gates, they want to see these top players.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, you're dead right, mate.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Seven or eight of the New Zealand's best players, plus
a handful of others heading across the ditch or heading
to other opportunities. England's out there as well, so I
think we've got a taste of it this year. This
was an opportunity for some of those young players to
come through with quite a heavy injury toll at the
start of the competition, and instead we sort of we
(07:46):
saw some players coming out of retirement. So I just
don't know whether the depth exists at the moment. And
it's a real shame because I guess the New Zealand
game domestically is quite finally poised in terms of whether
it's commercially sustainable or not. And it was actually a
pretty good product all in all, you know, with the
changes that they made, and it was quite a close competition,
(08:07):
lots of lots of close games. So after what was
a reasonably positive sort of season, this is probably the
last thing that Netball and New Zealand needs.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Get on your naths and always appreciate your time.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
It's lovely, thanks mate, Laugh out loud with ag proud
because life on the land can be a laughing matter.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Brought to us by sheer Well Data working to help
the livestock farmer. Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a
fruit wisdom has never put one into a fruit salad.
Leave it there for the afternoon. Appreciated your company. I'm
Andy Muller. This has been the master on hawkin Nui.
Many things to Peter's genetics. Enjoy the afternoon, see it
(08:49):
tomorrow one o'clock
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