September 14, 2025 • 7 mins
Paul Allison says it is a matter of realising that other teams have caught up with the All Blacks, and it is something fans might need to get used to.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome back to the muster. Before we wrap up, Paul Ellison,
the voice of a Tago rugby you can hear his
commentaries on Goldsport, joins us. The song is Dreams by
the Cranberes. Paul, welcome to the muster. By the way,
Unfortunately it wasn't a dream over the weekend for Southlanders
and All Blacks fans. It was just one big nightmare.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It was a nightmare. In fact, it was two big nightmares,
to be fair, one for the All Blacks and then
one for the south and Stags. I was driving back
from Duned and listening to the match on the radio
with Elliott's Smiths commentary after commentating on the Otago Tadanak match,
and I drove up the driveway and my wife greeted
(00:47):
me quite excitedly said, look, it's a really good game.
We've still got twenty minutes to go. The score was
seventeen to ten at that stage. I wish I had
a driven a hell of lots slower and missed the
last twenty minutes, to be fair, because it really just
was one way by the South Africans and the All
Blacks look like they had no answers in that final
stages of that match, and then I tuned into the
Stags yesterday afternoon after being at the Otago Rugby Club's
(01:11):
life members function, and I saw another capitulation there. I
wasn't sure what the goal was when they changed the jerseys.
But it's been a two week hangover now for the
Stags with fifty four fourteen sixty four ten and the
wheels have fallen off after what was the promising start
to the Bunnings MPC. So a bit of a bleak
weekend in the Deep South, although Otago managed to get
(01:32):
a little bit of bright sunshine in a very windy
afternoon in Dunedin and keep their quarter final hopes alive.
But the Stags have got a bit of work to
do and you just wonder whether that is a bit
of post shield blues.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Now as far as they All Blacks, what was the
difference from last week? I mean they held onto that
record at Eden Park. Did too much time and energy
go into that?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Perhaps a couple of things. I think the rain favored
the All Blacks Beden Park. The South Africans made a
lot of uncharacteristics eras South Africa made widespread changes to
their team so they come with a refreshed lineup. The
All Blacks would have been a little bit tight and
beat up. They pretty much stayed with the same same
team with just a little bit of small tinkering with
(02:13):
Carter coming in and Noah Hoe them coming in, but
not too many changes, whereas the Spring Box made six
changes to their back lines, two or three to their
forwards and had a real refreshed look to them. They
took them attacking mindset into the game, and I think
they brought a lot of confidence. You just have to
question maybe the staleness of the All Blacks. I looked
at them in Argentina. In that match in Cordova, there
(02:36):
was fifty three players and officials on the field during
their warm up, which lasted for about an hour, and
that meant that there was the thirty six players, plus
a huge big coaching staff and fitness advisors and probably
strength and conditioning trainers and the like. I look across
on the other side of the of the pitch and
the spring the Argentinians had thirty five and that was there.
(03:00):
Their players are the reserves who were playing in the
defensive screens, and they only have four coaches in total.
In Argentina. I just wonder with this army of players
and officials that the All Blacks have, whether there's too
many voices going into the players heads and they just
don't quite have the clear mindset. I think they got
outplayed by South Africa on the field, wonder they also
(03:21):
got outplayed by the offterfield.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Is this going to put more doubts around Scott Robertson
given he's only two years in or was it too
really to tell?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Probably a little bit early. Same sort of pressure came
on in Foster midway through his tenure when he had
a shocker when lost to Ireland for the first time
ever in Dneda lost to Argentina in Newcastle and lost
the series for Ireland as well. Made some changes to
the coaching make up at that stage, with plum Tree
(03:50):
and Brad Moer getting sort of exited out and Jason
Ryan coming in along with Joe Smith, and that sort
of seemed to make a bit of a difference leading
to the World Cup. Still early days for Scott Robertson,
but the All Blacks are under pressure. I think they'll
wait and see until after the Rugby Championship is over.
We've got a chance to redeem ourselves with two matches
(04:11):
against Australia, one at Eden Park and one in Perth.
But we know that Australia are up and down as well.
You look at this competition and you see that no
country has won two Test matches in their own country
and this championship Argentina win and loss, South Africa win
and loss against Australia, New Zealand the same against South
Africa and New Zealand, Argentina against Australia and Australia. So
(04:34):
the teams have got no continuity and no consistency in
this competition. And so it's not just the All Blacks.
I mean, yes it was a record breaking loss, but
the fact that teams are struggling to put two consecutive
performances together must be a bit of a concern across
Or is this just a reflection of how even rugby
is now in world circles.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, that's the argument. I suppose teams have caught up
and where New Zealand were.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I think we've got the players, but they're not
and that's the you know, they sort of flattered to
the seed to some degree. They look good at times.
We thought last week after Eden Park, Hey they might
get some momentum, the same players rewarded and saying, hey
go again next week. Rassi Erasma said, no, we're going
to build depth in our squad. We're going to run
a whole new team out pretty much, and that was
(05:19):
always his plan. And you could see at the back
end of the game. That's where the All Blacks have
been struggling the last twenty minutes in under Scott Robertson's watch.
And I'm not certainly saying it's Scott Robertson's fault, but
they seemed to be struggling in the last twenty minutes.
We saw last year against Australia in Australia the All
Blacks had a big lead and almost lost that in
the last in the last twenty minutes in the last
(05:41):
second half. And then the same thing we saw on
Saturday night as well, when the points start to mount
and they come under pressure, you All Blacks seem to
just not finish well. Sometimes you say it's the bench,
but you know when you bring on a decent bench
with Fabian Holiday has been one of the standouts this year.
To Mighty Williams came on, but I go back to
the loss of Cody Taylor, and I just feel that,
(06:03):
you know, he's such a such a key member of
that side. You've got probably the best four props to
be able to play with the group, Neural, Lomax and Williams.
I don't think there'll be any changes there. I think
you've probably got your three best locks in terms of
Fabian Holland to pou Bai and Scott Barrett. Is Scott
Barrett the captain, Well, he's not a lone man out there.
(06:26):
I mean, yes, he does make the calls as the captain,
but he's got a leadership team around him. And have
we got the best number ten that can run a game.
I'm just not sure whether Boden Barrett is as much
of an outstanding player that he has been over the years,
is the answer now. I think he's possibly slightly passed
his prime. But who do you put in there? That's
the question. You know, do you put Damian Mackenzie back there,
(06:47):
who struggled sometimes in the number ten jersey in all
blacks and tight test matches, So you know, what do
you do?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I haven't got the answer. We'll wait and see. Two
weeks time. Can the All Blacks turn things around at
Eden Park? Well, go back to their favorite venue, So
maybe you'd say they've got a chance. After the Australians
also looking their wounds after a loss to Argentina and Tidney.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Paul Ellison always appreciate your time on the muster, great analysis.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, make sure you get your stags jersey on, don't
give up on them. Just shit, I've got some work
to do and some of the All Blacks life.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
That's said Andy, laugh out loud with ag proud, because
life on the land can be a laughing matter. Brought
to us by sheer Well data working to help the
livestock farmer.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I went to the beekeeper to get twelve bees. He
counted and gave me thirteen. I said, sir, he gave
me an xtre. He goes, that's a free bee. The
suppose that's what you call the beakers, doesn't There we go.
That's us for a Monday, our Andy Muller, this has
been the muster on Hakanow. He cheers to Peter's geneis.
Like Paul Ellison said, keep the faith. You kind of
(07:55):
got to right. See you tomorrow one o'clock
Welcome back to the muster. Before we wrap up, Paul Ellison,
the voice of a Tago rugby you can hear his
commentaries on Goldsport, joins us. The song is Dreams by
the Cranberes. Paul, welcome to the muster. By the way,
Unfortunately it wasn't a dream over the weekend for Southlanders
and All Blacks fans. It was just one big nightmare.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It was a nightmare. In fact, it was two big nightmares,
to be fair, one for the All Blacks and then
one for the south and Stags. I was driving back
from Duned and listening to the match on the radio
with Elliott's Smiths commentary after commentating on the Otago Tadanak match,
and I drove up the driveway and my wife greeted
(00:47):
me quite excitedly said, look, it's a really good game.
We've still got twenty minutes to go. The score was
seventeen to ten at that stage. I wish I had
a driven a hell of lots slower and missed the
last twenty minutes, to be fair, because it really just
was one way by the South Africans and the All
Blacks look like they had no answers in that final
stages of that match, and then I tuned into the
Stags yesterday afternoon after being at the Otago Rugby Club's
(01:11):
life members function, and I saw another capitulation there. I
wasn't sure what the goal was when they changed the jerseys.
But it's been a two week hangover now for the
Stags with fifty four fourteen sixty four ten and the
wheels have fallen off after what was the promising start
to the Bunnings MPC. So a bit of a bleak
weekend in the Deep South, although Otago managed to get
(01:32):
a little bit of bright sunshine in a very windy
afternoon in Dunedin and keep their quarter final hopes alive.
But the Stags have got a bit of work to
do and you just wonder whether that is a bit
of post shield blues.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Now as far as they All Blacks, what was the
difference from last week? I mean they held onto that
record at Eden Park. Did too much time and energy
go into that?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Perhaps a couple of things. I think the rain favored
the All Blacks Beden Park. The South Africans made a
lot of uncharacteristics eras South Africa made widespread changes to
their team so they come with a refreshed lineup. The
All Blacks would have been a little bit tight and
beat up. They pretty much stayed with the same same
team with just a little bit of small tinkering with
(02:13):
Carter coming in and Noah Hoe them coming in, but
not too many changes, whereas the Spring Box made six
changes to their back lines, two or three to their
forwards and had a real refreshed look to them. They
took them attacking mindset into the game, and I think
they brought a lot of confidence. You just have to
question maybe the staleness of the All Blacks. I looked
at them in Argentina. In that match in Cordova, there
(02:36):
was fifty three players and officials on the field during
their warm up, which lasted for about an hour, and
that meant that there was the thirty six players, plus
a huge big coaching staff and fitness advisors and probably
strength and conditioning trainers and the like. I look across
on the other side of the of the pitch and
the spring the Argentinians had thirty five and that was there.
(03:00):
Their players are the reserves who were playing in the
defensive screens, and they only have four coaches in total.
In Argentina. I just wonder with this army of players
and officials that the All Blacks have, whether there's too
many voices going into the players heads and they just
don't quite have the clear mindset. I think they got
outplayed by South Africa on the field, wonder they also
(03:21):
got outplayed by the offterfield.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Is this going to put more doubts around Scott Robertson
given he's only two years in or was it too
really to tell?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Probably a little bit early. Same sort of pressure came
on in Foster midway through his tenure when he had
a shocker when lost to Ireland for the first time
ever in Dneda lost to Argentina in Newcastle and lost
the series for Ireland as well. Made some changes to
the coaching make up at that stage, with plum Tree
(03:50):
and Brad Moer getting sort of exited out and Jason
Ryan coming in along with Joe Smith, and that sort
of seemed to make a bit of a difference leading
to the World Cup. Still early days for Scott Robertson,
but the All Blacks are under pressure. I think they'll
wait and see until after the Rugby Championship is over.
We've got a chance to redeem ourselves with two matches
(04:11):
against Australia, one at Eden Park and one in Perth.
But we know that Australia are up and down as well.
You look at this competition and you see that no
country has won two Test matches in their own country
and this championship Argentina win and loss, South Africa win
and loss against Australia, New Zealand the same against South
Africa and New Zealand, Argentina against Australia and Australia. So
(04:34):
the teams have got no continuity and no consistency in
this competition. And so it's not just the All Blacks.
I mean, yes it was a record breaking loss, but
the fact that teams are struggling to put two consecutive
performances together must be a bit of a concern across
Or is this just a reflection of how even rugby
is now in world circles.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, that's the argument. I suppose teams have caught up
and where New Zealand were.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I think we've got the players, but they're not
and that's the you know, they sort of flattered to
the seed to some degree. They look good at times.
We thought last week after Eden Park, Hey they might
get some momentum, the same players rewarded and saying, hey
go again next week. Rassi Erasma said, no, we're going
to build depth in our squad. We're going to run
a whole new team out pretty much, and that was
(05:19):
always his plan. And you could see at the back
end of the game. That's where the All Blacks have
been struggling the last twenty minutes in under Scott Robertson's watch.
And I'm not certainly saying it's Scott Robertson's fault, but
they seemed to be struggling in the last twenty minutes.
We saw last year against Australia in Australia the All
Blacks had a big lead and almost lost that in
the last in the last twenty minutes in the last
(05:41):
second half. And then the same thing we saw on
Saturday night as well, when the points start to mount
and they come under pressure, you All Blacks seem to
just not finish well. Sometimes you say it's the bench,
but you know when you bring on a decent bench
with Fabian Holiday has been one of the standouts this year.
To Mighty Williams came on, but I go back to
the loss of Cody Taylor, and I just feel that,
(06:03):
you know, he's such a such a key member of
that side. You've got probably the best four props to
be able to play with the group, Neural, Lomax and Williams.
I don't think there'll be any changes there. I think
you've probably got your three best locks in terms of
Fabian Holland to pou Bai and Scott Barrett. Is Scott
Barrett the captain, Well, he's not a lone man out there.
(06:26):
I mean, yes, he does make the calls as the captain,
but he's got a leadership team around him. And have
we got the best number ten that can run a game.
I'm just not sure whether Boden Barrett is as much
of an outstanding player that he has been over the years,
is the answer now. I think he's possibly slightly passed
his prime. But who do you put in there? That's
the question. You know, do you put Damian Mackenzie back there,
(06:47):
who struggled sometimes in the number ten jersey in all
blacks and tight test matches, So you know, what do
you do?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I haven't got the answer. We'll wait and see. Two
weeks time. Can the All Blacks turn things around at
Eden Park? Well, go back to their favorite venue, So
maybe you'd say they've got a chance. After the Australians
also looking their wounds after a loss to Argentina and Tidney.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Paul Ellison always appreciate your time on the muster, great analysis.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, make sure you get your stags jersey on, don't
give up on them. Just shit, I've got some work
to do and some of the All Blacks life.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
That's said Andy, laugh out loud with ag proud, because
life on the land can be a laughing matter. Brought
to us by sheer Well data working to help the
livestock farmer.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I went to the beekeeper to get twelve bees. He
counted and gave me thirteen. I said, sir, he gave
me an xtre. He goes, that's a free bee. The
suppose that's what you call the beakers, doesn't There we go.
That's us for a Monday, our Andy Muller, this has
been the muster on Hakanow. He cheers to Peter's geneis.
Like Paul Ellison said, keep the faith. You kind of
(07:55):
got to right. See you tomorrow one o'clock
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