September 3, 2025 • 8 mins
Peter Gardyne urges farmers to keep a work life balance during the busy September month.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Ser them nights? Have you ever felt a sum night?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Peter Gardner and Farms and Natdale and joins us this afternoon, Pete,
good afternoon. The song is Southern Nights by Glenn Campbell.
I think it's fair to say everybody listening to this
can agree with that lyric. Yes, you have experience of
Southern nights, especially at this time of year with cows.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
In the carving mode and lambs and the pen. Defeed,
it's all go. It's a crack a Glenn Campbell. I'm
starting to appreciate his music more and more.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
He's got some absolutely wicked tunes here when I go
through it all, so, yeah, I tend to play it
more often than not because there's music that a lot
of people agree with, right Oh, and it's.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
That great easy listening sort of stuff that you can
have on in the background, And a lot of those
songs have got a lot more subsidence to them than
some of the modern one. STU say it, but that
makes me start to sound like I'm getting old Andy.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
How's everything looking out there on the farm?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Taking away pretty good either. Stud's lemon. We just do
them a week bit early to get them over and
done with and then we're drafting up commercials over the
last couple of days and they'll start this weekend. And
we have clout a couple of paddocks, so that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Too, because we tend to forget spring should actually be
a positive time for growth and everything. Last year, hopefully
you blip on the radar, but you're always optimistic when
you're head into September.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh definitely, and fradiliver on whether it's good or whether
it's bad. And I just think if you get it
on in the spring, you've got the use of it
for the whole season, especially that sulfur that just leaches away,
and it doesn't need to go on every twelve months.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Do you normally have your third on by now or
you're hit of the bull there.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
If we're doing granula, we do sort of a split application.
We will do sulfur and maybe some nitrogen and some
selenium and colbalt early on, and then follow up with
some K and some and P later with the option
of using in again or not. And this year we've
gone back to more of a super based products. It's
cost effective and their covers are looking good, so we
have no need for nitrogen, which excites me. If we
(02:16):
don't have to use it, it's a dollar saved.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And you've got split laming dates.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh, only with the stud some day, as we do
do some old girls a bit earlier or some terminals
bit earlier, but we haven't this year. Just from just
how things were going in the autumn. Yes, I know
we're not too bad on that front.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think it's a time of the year as well.
You want to touch on this to Tapeete.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
We just need to look at a few positives that
are going on in the sector, because when you're getting
into the grind of the September mode, you just got
to put things into perspective. Right.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh definitely, I did how article it ends up in
a newspaper this time last year and there's just some
Lemming tips and I couldn't believe him in a positive
feed if I've got from it. And yeah, i'd probably
floral my English teachers if they heard had written an
article for the paper. But yeah, I just I reckon
setting up for leambing if you can get away for
(03:10):
a long weekend or something before Lemming's good and then
just remembering that it is it is just a part
of the year, and the most important thing is the
people and in the stock after that. And yeah, just
having all those systems in place, you know, good times
and your bike and some patient with gear, a few
jackets getting holy go by another one. They've probably got
(03:31):
an end of years season, end of winter, especially on
them in the shops. And yeah, I can a few
treats on the walls. You go a long way a
well on.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
A lambing bait, especially if there's only a couple of you.
You're going around, say three three two us ordiver, it's
all guns to the ganel. You just got to think
outside the square a bit. I'm not so much thinking
outside of the square, but like you say, just having
a bit of having smoke go on a regular basis
during the day and just keeping people engaged because it
can be had yakker.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh definitely. And probably the thing on that front is
I actually reckon a long lunch at laming time. If
you don't have heaps of stuff you're having to do
that day, if you can have a few long lunch
as a I reckon, that's a great thing because.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What how does the day look for you on lambing beee?
What time you outside.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
We're trying to be out by seven as the aim,
and then you know, how do we flick around? We're
sort of we looked them once or twice a day,
usually twice a day on the flats. Pretty fortunate. They
come from a family that was really good at tagging
all the problem sheep, so we'd be tagging anyone that
has problems, and we don't breed from them, and we're
massive fans of terminal sorrows obviously, so on the easier
(04:37):
care of the flat land side of things, and then
their parent does on the hill. Of course, they get
spread out or they got spread out last week or
end of this week, started this week, sorry, and they
won't be seeing until tailing time. So yeah, that and
then yeah we'll knock off, usually usually working seven till
six thirty or seven till seven, but you know, you know,
have an hour and a half for lunch some days
(04:58):
if the if the day lut and.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
The other thing you wanted to cover off as well.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
While you're on the sect talking about the sector as such,
the widest sector and younger people coming through the industry,
which is always something to celebrate. Of course, you've had
a lot of skin on the game of young farmers
over the years. I have my regular catch up with
the team every Tuesday. But you've been talking to a
couple of individuals recently who really give you hope that
the younger generation are coming through.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, definitely, this is the twentieth Lemmings. So I think
I'm probably transitioning from a younger farmer to a middle
aged farmer now which has come out of the closet
and say that, I guess. And a couple of guys
that probably i'd say eight ten years younger than me,
that I've been talking to you lately, and their ability
to think without too much tradition and not throwing away
(05:43):
the fundamentals, but really pushing the boundaries of what's out
there and not being bound by you know, I guess
negative opinions or traditional sort of things at how to
spect that we're good reasons back in the day but
now maybe aren't as relevant. Things like one of the
guys doing the same as what we're doing, killing all
the dry hogits because there's no money in them, and
(06:06):
you know, not being scared of buying in some years
if you need some extra ones. And yeah, just a
couple of guys who are just a real breath of
fresh air. They're both running their own businesses, they're both
doing some pretty cool stuff. And you know, I just
think if you've got a guy like that around, you
just just let them go about and let them, let
them get into it, let them try some things. And yes,
(06:27):
not everything that they'll do, and not everything that I've
done has worked. But we didn't get to where we've
got as an industry by doing the same things that
we were doing one hundred years ago. And the evolution
you know, in sheep farming from like my grandfather's day
is like day and night. He said. Back in the day,
they were probably handling a third of their sheep at
living time. And I mean it's nothing like that now.
(06:50):
And you know, like what our granddads and our dads
did and what we did when we were younger, we
did push the boundaries out and that's how the industry's
got to it's got to. And there's a lot of
things that are good, there's a lot of things are bad.
But like the sheep in New Zealand, they've done a
pretty good job that you did it gain in the
last one hundred and fifty odd years, and I don't
(07:11):
think we should limit that to where it is now.
I think we just need to keep pushing ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Just one final thought for you. You say there's a
young farmer, you're now a middle aged farmer. When do
you officially become an old farmer?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well, I think I'm safely still a few years away
from no. No.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Then I came, I'll come on, what ages? What age
is an old farmer?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Take? Well?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I had this discussion with my wife a few years
ago and I said, well, if you're going to live
till your ninety rough speaking up until when you're thirty
year young, from thirty to sixty your middle age, and
from sixty to ninety year old. So that's what I'll
throw out there. And I'll probably get some abuseful section, now,
won't I Andy, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Still middle aged man. I'll take that. Let you carry on?
These are you going nuts in the background? Always good
to catch up?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Sounds good?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So still big God of nighttail shout out to all
the young middle Asian old farmers out there. Penny Simmons,
MP from the Cargo, a Minister for the Environment. We're
going to catch up next. This is the master in
the san scy
Ser them nights? Have you ever felt a sum night?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Peter Gardner and Farms and Natdale and joins us this afternoon, Pete,
good afternoon. The song is Southern Nights by Glenn Campbell.
I think it's fair to say everybody listening to this
can agree with that lyric. Yes, you have experience of
Southern nights, especially at this time of year with cows.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
In the carving mode and lambs and the pen. Defeed,
it's all go. It's a crack a Glenn Campbell. I'm
starting to appreciate his music more and more.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
He's got some absolutely wicked tunes here when I go
through it all, so, yeah, I tend to play it
more often than not because there's music that a lot
of people agree with, right Oh, and it's.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
That great easy listening sort of stuff that you can
have on in the background, And a lot of those
songs have got a lot more subsidence to them than
some of the modern one. STU say it, but that
makes me start to sound like I'm getting old Andy.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
How's everything looking out there on the farm?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Taking away pretty good either. Stud's lemon. We just do
them a week bit early to get them over and
done with and then we're drafting up commercials over the
last couple of days and they'll start this weekend. And
we have clout a couple of paddocks, so that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Too, because we tend to forget spring should actually be
a positive time for growth and everything. Last year, hopefully
you blip on the radar, but you're always optimistic when
you're head into September.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh definitely, and fradiliver on whether it's good or whether
it's bad. And I just think if you get it
on in the spring, you've got the use of it
for the whole season, especially that sulfur that just leaches away,
and it doesn't need to go on every twelve months.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Do you normally have your third on by now or
you're hit of the bull there.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
If we're doing granula, we do sort of a split application.
We will do sulfur and maybe some nitrogen and some
selenium and colbalt early on, and then follow up with
some K and some and P later with the option
of using in again or not. And this year we've
gone back to more of a super based products. It's
cost effective and their covers are looking good, so we
have no need for nitrogen, which excites me. If we
(02:16):
don't have to use it, it's a dollar saved.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
And you've got split laming dates.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Uh, only with the stud some day, as we do
do some old girls a bit earlier or some terminals
bit earlier, but we haven't this year. Just from just
how things were going in the autumn. Yes, I know
we're not too bad on that front.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I think it's a time of the year as well.
You want to touch on this to Tapeete.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
We just need to look at a few positives that
are going on in the sector, because when you're getting
into the grind of the September mode, you just got
to put things into perspective. Right.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Oh definitely, I did how article it ends up in
a newspaper this time last year and there's just some
Lemming tips and I couldn't believe him in a positive
feed if I've got from it. And yeah, i'd probably
floral my English teachers if they heard had written an
article for the paper. But yeah, I just I reckon
setting up for leambing if you can get away for
(03:10):
a long weekend or something before Lemming's good and then
just remembering that it is it is just a part
of the year, and the most important thing is the
people and in the stock after that. And yeah, just
having all those systems in place, you know, good times
and your bike and some patient with gear, a few
jackets getting holy go by another one. They've probably got
(03:31):
an end of years season, end of winter, especially on
them in the shops. And yeah, I can a few
treats on the walls. You go a long way a
well on.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
A lambing bait, especially if there's only a couple of you.
You're going around, say three three two us ordiver, it's
all guns to the ganel. You just got to think
outside the square a bit. I'm not so much thinking
outside of the square, but like you say, just having
a bit of having smoke go on a regular basis
during the day and just keeping people engaged because it
can be had yakker.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Oh definitely. And probably the thing on that front is
I actually reckon a long lunch at laming time. If
you don't have heaps of stuff you're having to do
that day, if you can have a few long lunch
as a I reckon, that's a great thing because.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What how does the day look for you on lambing beee?
What time you outside.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
We're trying to be out by seven as the aim,
and then you know, how do we flick around? We're
sort of we looked them once or twice a day,
usually twice a day on the flats. Pretty fortunate. They
come from a family that was really good at tagging
all the problem sheep, so we'd be tagging anyone that
has problems, and we don't breed from them, and we're
massive fans of terminal sorrows obviously, so on the easier
(04:37):
care of the flat land side of things, and then
their parent does on the hill. Of course, they get
spread out or they got spread out last week or
end of this week, started this week, sorry, and they
won't be seeing until tailing time. So yeah, that and
then yeah we'll knock off, usually usually working seven till
six thirty or seven till seven, but you know, you know,
have an hour and a half for lunch some days
(04:58):
if the if the day lut and.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
The other thing you wanted to cover off as well.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
While you're on the sect talking about the sector as such,
the widest sector and younger people coming through the industry,
which is always something to celebrate. Of course, you've had
a lot of skin on the game of young farmers
over the years. I have my regular catch up with
the team every Tuesday. But you've been talking to a
couple of individuals recently who really give you hope that
the younger generation are coming through.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Oh, definitely, this is the twentieth Lemmings. So I think
I'm probably transitioning from a younger farmer to a middle
aged farmer now which has come out of the closet
and say that, I guess. And a couple of guys
that probably i'd say eight ten years younger than me,
that I've been talking to you lately, and their ability
to think without too much tradition and not throwing away
(05:43):
the fundamentals, but really pushing the boundaries of what's out
there and not being bound by you know, I guess
negative opinions or traditional sort of things at how to
spect that we're good reasons back in the day but
now maybe aren't as relevant. Things like one of the
guys doing the same as what we're doing, killing all
the dry hogits because there's no money in them, and
(06:06):
you know, not being scared of buying in some years
if you need some extra ones. And yeah, just a
couple of guys who are just a real breath of
fresh air. They're both running their own businesses, they're both
doing some pretty cool stuff. And you know, I just
think if you've got a guy like that around, you
just just let them go about and let them, let
them get into it, let them try some things. And yes,
(06:27):
not everything that they'll do, and not everything that I've
done has worked. But we didn't get to where we've
got as an industry by doing the same things that
we were doing one hundred years ago. And the evolution
you know, in sheep farming from like my grandfather's day
is like day and night. He said. Back in the day,
they were probably handling a third of their sheep at
living time. And I mean it's nothing like that now.
(06:50):
And you know, like what our granddads and our dads
did and what we did when we were younger, we
did push the boundaries out and that's how the industry's
got to it's got to. And there's a lot of
things that are good, there's a lot of things are bad.
But like the sheep in New Zealand, they've done a
pretty good job that you did it gain in the
last one hundred and fifty odd years, and I don't
(07:11):
think we should limit that to where it is now.
I think we just need to keep pushing ahead.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Just one final thought for you. You say there's a
young farmer, you're now a middle aged farmer. When do
you officially become an old farmer?
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well, I think I'm safely still a few years away
from no. No.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Then I came, I'll come on, what ages? What age
is an old farmer?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Take? Well?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
I had this discussion with my wife a few years
ago and I said, well, if you're going to live
till your ninety rough speaking up until when you're thirty
year young, from thirty to sixty your middle age, and
from sixty to ninety year old. So that's what I'll
throw out there. And I'll probably get some abuseful section, now,
won't I Andy, Oh, I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Still middle aged man. I'll take that. Let you carry on?
These are you going nuts in the background? Always good
to catch up?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Sounds good?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So still big God of nighttail shout out to all
the young middle Asian old farmers out there. Penny Simmons,
MP from the Cargo, a Minister for the Environment. We're
going to catch up next. This is the master in
the san scy
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