NBA Coaching Hot Seats - Featuring Dan Favale - The NBA Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What is up, Fellowsikos, I am Dan Favalley coming at
you with Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcast, fame of
Yahoo Sports, fame of Forbes, fame of OnlyFans, celebrity. We
are here to talk about with the NBA regular season
coming to a close, before we kind of get into
the nitty gritty of the playoffs, then we have to

(00:22):
do off season content. We're like, wow, like a month
away at least from that really picking up. When there
are so few teams playing, we want to kind of
take stock of just the coaching landscape. We've done a
lot of Are these teams screwed? Who has the best futures?
We've done that exercise a handful of times. This is
adjacent to that, but it's just it's good to have
a look at. Okay, as the regular season comes to
an end, which teams are going to be taking stock

(00:44):
of their head coaching situations that you know, make the
lottery or just don't make the playoffs or even you know.
The more interesting discussion is the teams that could see
their coaching situations impacted by the outcome of the playoffs,
so not necessarily blowing it up sometimes, I mean the
easiest thing to change is the coach. We all know that,
and for a lot of these teams that might be
what they consider their only option before we get started more,

(01:07):
how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Doing well? Sir?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Doing well? Kind of counting down the days for the
regular season. It's funny, right, because the more important the
NBA season becomes, the less work I always feel like
I have to do. Because instill covering thirty teams, you
kind of cut fourteen teams off and you say, all right,
like of active team, it's going to be sixteen initially,

(01:30):
And I feel like my workload kind of decreases a
little bit as the playoffs get rolling, which feels counterintuitive.
So I'm very much looking forward to shelving the eighty
hour work weeks and just kind of say, all right,
let's get back down to.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
A normal level.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I find myself at the moment fatigued by like the
March April basketball still of it all, because we have
like the tie break the Eastern Conference playoff picture. I'm
just over like it's a four or five six race
at this point, and it's just like we know what
the six teams are going to be. The playing doesn't
move me because none of those teams are going anywhere,
but like all this West stuff is happening, and so

(02:08):
like those games have been like high stakes, like looking
at you know what the Rockets were able to do
the Warriors the other night. At the same time, there
are some teams that just continue to miss guys with injuries.
Denver with Jamal Murray that it's just I'm ready for
I want people to be healthy in the playoffs to
be even higher stakes. But thankfully we do have at
least the fascinating races for seating in the Western Conference,
which remain hell fire. Let's dive in to this discussion.

(02:33):
I think we should begin with the coaches that shouldn't
qualify for this list, which they're basically there on an
interim basis, and there are three unless we're missing everyone
we have. Tumas is slow in Memphis after they fired
Taylor Jenkins. His case is interesting because doesn't it seem
like he would be considered the favorite to land the

(02:54):
gig based off how aggressive they weren't adding him to
the assistant staff or are you kind of at the
point where don't ask me what this is doing?

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, little latter because like that late
in the season.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I mean, I just don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't think we can take anyway of anything away
from that yet, but it is interesting, and we do
know he's offensive minded, Like this is a roster that
could need more offensive creativity, especially moving forward. So yeah,
I'm not closing the door on a return there whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Mitch Johnson in San Antonio, which is just I guess
you'd call him an interim head coach. It's just's he's
warming Greg Popovic's spot. There was the reporting that following
his stroke from ESPN that it's still going to come
down to, you know, it's Greg Popovich's option whether he
wants to return. He had some you know, pretty insightful
quotes to his team Apparently. I don't know what to
make of that situation. I would love to see pop

(03:44):
on the sideline again, but you're also in the territory
of we just hope that he's he's healthy, and so
that situation is like you can't really forecast anything, because
even if you say, oh, Popovich isn't going to come back,
I don't like, would Mitch Johnson be considered the favorite
to retain the position. Remember when it felt like this
succession plan was pretty clearly in place in San Antonio,
but Popovich's coach for so long that it's kind of

(04:06):
just become this opaque situation, which is again it's fine,
but it makes it tougher to kind of dig into.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah. No, so.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I've I've been around this person a little bit because
they were in Paris as well, and I just want
to say this, Mitch Johnson has done a hell of
a job. Like I asked Chris Paul about, you know,
his thoughts on this whole thing, because like when Chris
signed obviously he didn't know how things would shake out
and everything, and he was just like, no, Mitch is
a hooper. Mitch just has his engaged like there wasn't

(04:38):
a single bad word. And I'm not expecting Chris Paul
of all people to come out and talk trash.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
But like I've stayed you know, pretty you know, in tune.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
With where the team is going and like with how
players are feeling about Mitch. And whenever I asked him
questions as well, he gave me really good answers, like
really thoughtful answerest Like I think this guy has done
a remarkable job in San Antonio, Like he didn't know
what to expect there. He got thrown into it in
a very public manner like injuries in and out. Wemby

(05:12):
goes down after forty six games as well. I know
they're losing a ton of games, and people are like, well,
how good can he really be?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Like really good?

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Like he's the way that he has everyone on the
same page, the complete buy in.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I don't know if Pop returns or not.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say
anything about that because I have no idea. All I
know is that if Mitch Johnson is ever finding himself
as a coach free agent out there, a lot of
teams should be interested.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, depending on how many have openings, Like if they're
not ready to commit in San Antonia, I would say,
I think he's done good enough, Like you've just kind
of seen stuff with the way they might use Jeremy Sohan,
some of the guys off the bench, even Calden Johnson,
that I would assume that he would be a pretty
serious candidate should Pop not return. But even if he's not,
if they know Pop is coming back, I'll be curious

(05:59):
to see will he want to stay there or will
will he get interviews for any of these what one?
We have three openings flat out, and then any openings
that might materialize from there. I think our third one
would be interim head coaches Mike Budenholzer and Phoenix. I'm
glad you caught that it is actually Doug Christy in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
My question to you is will Vadi DeVos be coaching
and GMing the Kings next year?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Oh god, you really want to do that to Kings
fans right now? Just opening up that door, man, They
haven't hard enough. Look as much fun as it would
be to see the two thousand and two Kings somehow return,

(06:47):
I'm not sure it has to be in those specific roles.
Like I will say this, Doug Christy has done pretty good.
I don't think he should be a guy you count
out like for the job long term. We'll see what happens, though,
because I feel like the coaching question in Sacramento is
like not a big priority right now. It's more along

(07:07):
the lines of what about some bonus? Is he gonna
stick around? Like what is going to happen to the
rest of this team? Like is there even in playing
in place? It feels like everything that's a bigger question,
is like roster related or ownership like related, Like head
coach would feel like it's like way down on the
list of priorities.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Well, yeah, there's a trickle down because we know who's
the owner is gonna be. But I would wonder how
safe is Monte McNair's job, just because if heads are
going to roll, you would think that the front office
could be in play there. The fact that they did
fire Mike Brown kind of makes me think that McNair is,
if you don't want to call him safe, but will
be the one. You know, they let him make the
darn Fox trade and then he does the Mike Brown
firing as well. I would think he'd be the one

(07:50):
making this decision, which I think would allow us to
discuss head coaches. But again, I think you know, they
had that kind of post Doug Christy bump immediately after
the firing. That's definitely settled down. They were playing so
well in crunch time, they couldn't possibly have got excuse me,
playing so poorly in crunch time. They couldn't possibly have
gotten much worse from there. I think that you've seen
This is more of a comment on the team's depth,

(08:11):
but like the issues are the same, Like the defense
can just yeah, if it gets set, it might be okay.
They have some lineups that can figure it out. Doug
Christy has to be heavy, relying, heavily reliant on his
key guys because there are questions about the depth. Kean
Allis has generally played more under him. I think that's good.
And he's shooting like forty five percent from three while
still playing solid defense under Christy. So these are all

(08:32):
all the interim guys I would expect like they will
be in the running. I do think, you know, these
are all teams because of the Popovich ties, and then
of course, just what the Grizzlies and uh, excuse me,
Grizzlies and as I'm choking over here, Grizzlies and Kings
are doing. You might not want to hazard a guess.
I kind of feel like e Slow of all the
three that we talked, has the strongest chance of being

(08:54):
the head coach of the team that he's currently chaperoning
right now, would be my stance. You want to, I'll
let you have the first pick of the coach we
talk about.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Oh so yeah, can we like we almost have to
start right with the guy who.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
We all were like, what the hell?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
And I feel like that's dock Rivers, Like I understand
that Milwaukee is the top five seed in the East,
but at the same time, it's Doc like he tends
to pick up good regular seasons and in the playoffs
we'll see. I think he is a guy we shouldn't
you know, plays as the guy moving forward next year necessarily,

(09:36):
Like I'm not saying he's gonna get fired. They played
well after the All Star break overall, Like, there's nothing
right now that's super pressing. What I feel like, this
is still a team that could flame the hell out
in the playoffs. And if they do, like if they
get bounced in the first round, are we not gonna
Like you said at the top, Dan, like, the easiest

(09:57):
thing to do is make a coaching change.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Are we sure Milwaukee wouldn't go that route? If they
get completely curb stumped in the first round, you have
to at.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Least consider it, right if the plan is to run
back Damian Lillard and Yannis attend to Kombo and I
don't think what helps is we're having this discussion right now.
It's not just that the playoffs have not taken place.
It's that is Damian Lillard even going to be a
participant right in them because of the DVT in his CAF.
So I think you look at it, but it almost
kind of feels like if you're now making like another

(10:31):
head coaching change within this two or two and a
half year window, do you almost think that, okay, has
the Yanna situation gone to crap at that point and
so are you just making a head coaching change because
you made such a roster overhaul or do you think
that it is This has become an interesting debate among
Bucks fans, and they're more divided than I expected them

(10:52):
to be. I had fallen into the camp that just
because of how your picks are owed and spread across
across the league until Janni says that he doesn't want
to be there. I'm just trying to ride this thing out.
But a lot of Bucks fans and I'm sure media
people believe that, well, you should just move him now,
get the best return possible and start over. Which if
you're going that route, we know you'll get rid of

(11:13):
Doc Rivers because that's not really his thing. Do you
think it's more likely that they get rid of Doc
rivers and try and basically run it back or improve
on the margins. Or do you view this as if
you're getting doc rivers This could be more of an
implosive proposition with well, there's some other pretty seismic roster
moves happening here that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
I will say what side I fall into with Gianna specifically,
because that kind of dictates everything. You have to just,
like you said, right with him as long as you
possibly can.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Giannis.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
This is the type of guy who occasionally like goes
to the media and says something sort of like insinuating, Hey,
you know what, like I have options, and it's always
like to motivate the inner workings of the front office
to get something done.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I don't think he wants to leave Milwaukee. He's super loyal.
He's like a very what do you call it, like
the people who like comfort, who wants to stay a homebody.
That was the word I was looking for. I don't
think he's particularly interested in moving off like he's one
of the title first and foremost.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
I think that just getting that monkey off his back
is huge. That means that there's less pressure on that
whole situation. But I do think he still wants to
be in a competitive market, like on a competitive team.
He wants to fight for another ring. He wants to
do all those things. The question is the roster is
one thing you have the coaching staff. There's still questions
around that, like can you get anything, Like let's say

(12:40):
Dame is going to be fine, can you get younger
if you pivot off him?

Speaker 2 (12:45):
If so, how better can you even get better?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
In that regard? I'm not sure. It does feel like
eventually something's going to give here because the Bucks can't
keep getting older and older, like they have to become younger.
And that's where we run into the Doc Rivers problem,
like is he going to play young guys where the
organization's gonna need them to get investment minutes on the

(13:10):
court to develop, or are they going to look at
that and goes, hey, look, Doc, we just need you
to play those guys and if you don't, you're fired. Like,
I don't know how that's gonna play out regardless.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
I think there's gonna come at tipping point there.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
And there's also kind of he's played like okay, AJ
Green and Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Junior. But for
the most part, he's had to. So what happens? I mean,
you look at a KPJ. I guess specific and Ryan Rollins.
Of course, if Dame was healthy, how much are you
dusting those guys off in the playoff? Would have been
a nice barometer for okay, can Doc do this? Because
we've mentioned this ad nauseum. Now like Torrian Prince, Gary

(13:46):
Trene junior free agents that you do not have bird
rights on Brook Lopez is going to be a free
agent too. I will say I'm assuming Dame is. I
don't think Dame is unhappy there, but I was curious
and kind of banning about, like is there a situation
where Dame might see the writing on the wall with
yann long term and decide that, oh, I'm just gonna
ask her out now? And you kind of brought the
challenges up with that of well, is there a way

(14:08):
for you to get better while mooming Damian Lillard? And
if you can't, I don't think I'm not saying you
have to move Damian Lillard, but if he's sort of
getting a little bit cagy like that is going to
accelerate the Yannest timeline. And so there's just it's so
many layers here. I would agree that you have to
look at the coaching. If you're planning on running back,
I think Jannis Damon, let's assume they resign Brook either way,

(14:30):
like there needs to be moves made with this roster,
and it just forget about the financial situation, like they're
gonna start the offseason under the tax without Brook Lopez's
money on the books. That being said, it's do you
trade you have a twenty thirty one or twenty thirty
two first round pick if you don't know what's going
on with Giannis, if you don't know what's going on
with Dame, it makes it that much harder to improve
the roster because you can't put your best asset assets

(14:52):
on the table.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Yeah, totally agree, And so that's why I'm bring him
up because I think that whole situation, I think generally
what we discussed these situations with coaches, you have to
look at it through a wider lens as well, just
organizational direction like roster construction, all these things, and something
just doesn't Like I don't it's a hard it's difficult

(15:16):
for me to like pinpoint exactly what it is. But
something to me feels off on that team. It's not
just the age, which is one thing, but like, I
feel like the offense remains somewhat predictable.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Not really that creative.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
And then there's a counter argument that people have been
making for years, like how creative a system can you
really have around Giannis who's a slasher, who's like a
fast break guy who isn't necessarily you know, a Luka
donct sort of create a creator? And that's an interesting discussion.
I don't know the answer to that, Like I don't

(15:52):
know if if it's Giannis who limits an offensive creativity
or if it's Doc or like, I don't own the answer,
but I would at least try to move away from
Doc before I move away from Gianni's to see if
there's something you can unlock with someone else.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
I will say, I think there are challenges when it
comes to building around Yannis Stantacombo, and those might become
more pronounce as he gets older. But based off kind
of what we've seen, and I know you've watched some
of it as well, post Dame injury, where Yannis is
just initiating everything, it's kind of proof that, hey, you
can use this guy in all sorts of different ways.
So I would still let it fall on Doc and

(16:28):
look either way, whether it comes down to are you
moving Gianni's or you're not moving Yann, it's like you
should be looking at the coaching situation anyway. Yes, moral
of the story. So I'm gonna go with I think
we both could have predicted that this person's name would
have wound up here. I'm gonna go with Michael Malone
in Denver. And they're not a team that we talked
about a lot recently because they haven't fallen into like

(16:48):
these profound buckets. But the vibes, like ever since that
was was it the Warriors loss, it just feels like
the vibes or the Timberwolves loss. Excuse me that that
bonkers game where Westbrook has that sequence where misses the
bunny and then fouls on the three point attempt, then
you lose to Golden State on the second night of

(17:08):
a back to back. This team is so up and down,
and I think you always can appoint it to this
coming to a head for two primary reasons. One, you're
just getting to a point where it's the easiest thing
to change. Is the head coach it's now been, It'll
have been a couple of years since the title what
else are you gonna expect them to do? But two,
there was clearly a disconnect between him and the front

(17:30):
office last year leading into this year where who they
wanted him to play and the way for him to
play some of these guys more was they had to
take a club. Was like, no Justin Holliday on this
team this year, Like you're gonna rely on the younger,
You're gonna have to play through when Peyton Wattson is healthy,
give Julian Strawth minutes. I don't. I'm just curious, like

(17:51):
what that discussion is going to be like at the
end of the season. I think you look at their
player development this year and okay, maybe they've discovered some
things with Zeke Nashi, Christian Brown has had a really
good year overall, but the Russell Westbrook experience is kind
of turning on them.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And while they're not when that happened, who could have
seen that coming?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
You have to What I will say is that the
vibes around Russell Westbrook were better in Denver for a
lot longer than I would have predicted. But they're kind
of seeing now like this is someone who can cost
you games and doesn't necessarily know how to continue playing
inside himself. It might always gravitate towards doing more than
he should or just making bad decisions. But you just
have the layer of inconsistency from your best players who

(18:34):
aren't your kisch with Murray been on a tear basically
for a while. But now he's injured again, and that's
always been a concern with me, and he's playing well.
Aaron Gordon dealt with injuries this year and hasn't felt
like the same Aaron Gordon watching at least like watching
him on defense, it doesn't feel the same. Michael Porter
Junior is just wildly like I man, we need like

(18:55):
a rolling game rating for him. I have to get
on Adam fromo of the director of NBA and NFL fans.
It does these rolling like player ratings. If you looked
at his over the course of his career, it might
have one of the wildest like peaks and valleys like
lined to it. So I don't know, you know, I
don't know how much responsibility I lay at the feet
of Michael Malone at this point when you're looking at

(19:16):
the personnel that's available to him, and then some of
the Even if you're fine with who they let go,
they couldn't keep Brown. We don't need to bring up
ACP's name again. I think he's the one more so
than any of the players, just because I find whether
it's a Michael Porter junior trade or Jamal Murray trade,
I just find that so challenging to make. And I
don't think Calvin Booth or that front office is going

(19:37):
to say, well, let's attach Christian Brown or Peyton Watson
into a package and really try to go because that's
the way for them to Like, you can't call it
a home run package. But if you wanted to make
a substantial upgrade or make sort of a like a
real trade without touching your core, and even then they
make so little, you probably have to include one of
your bigger salaries. Anyway, I don't want to say I'll

(19:59):
be surpri because I could see the Nuggets getting to
the conference finals. I think number two behind okase Is.
I think Golden State could be that team. I think
Denver could be that team. I think I think Buck
in Houston could be that team. At this point, I
wouldn't have said that, So to wrap it up, I'm
not saying I'm tracking towards surprise if Michael Malone is
gonna be there. But I feel a lot less confident

(20:19):
about Michael Malone still being in Denver to start next
season than I did probably eight or twelve weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
It's it's the entire issue with the front office to
me that makes him a candidate because honestly, yeah, I'm
looking at this roster and I'm thinking he's done pretty
much what you can get out of it, Like, yeah,
do I have some issues with how he's using Strawther
for example. I would like to see him, you know,

(20:48):
get more shots off the bench and become like that,
that primary scoring option off the bench.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I don't think he's leaned into that. I think there
are He's.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Kind of been you the force to use his his
starter's way too much this year, Like he's lost a
lot of guys. So I have a hard time putting
that on him. I think that's more so on the
front office. And frankly, it's not like I hated the
idea of them saying, look, we're gonna take a year back,
like or one step back to develop these guys, because

(21:19):
maybe that prolongs are a championship window so maybe we'll
take two steps forward because of that investment. Like I'm
not even saying that's a bad idea, but it just
seems like the vision of those two parties don't really align.
And that's why I'm there. I will say this, I've
just said this on this pod before. I believe that

(21:40):
Bruce Brown has gotten his money and is ready to
come back. And if that is the case, I would
like to see Michael Malone still there. He was heartbroken
when Bruce left, like absolutely heartbroken. I would love to
see a reunion there. So come on, Denver, just make
sure Mike is there. If you lock in Bruce Brown

(22:01):
services just one more year, let's see.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
He's I think, Look, we know they're willing, which you could.
I will say this, I have trolled there are many
mid level signings the past two years and will continue
to do so because they've been awful, but they have
been a team that's at least willing to use it,
which is not something that's you know, that thing isn't
being thrown around. I don't think that Bruce Brown has
played well enough to command much more than that. I mean,

(22:24):
he's shooting thirty seven and a half percent from three
in New Orleans, but like whatever his appearance is at
sub ten appearances in New Orleans that he's gonna end
up with or if that's what he has at the moment,
oh no, twenty, I'm sorry, but I just don't think
his market's gonna be too robust and so that helps them.
I don't know that I don't view him as someone
good enough that oh this is like the difference, like

(22:44):
let's have us run it back, but he is. He's
definitely more of a cerebral and plug and play option,
even having some similar limitations at points to Russell Westbrook.
When you look at how defenses respect him from beyond
the arc, clearly a better fit. I don't want to
see Michael Malone leave either, just because the like him
and Jokic seem to have a good relationship. And I

(23:06):
not that I feel like continuity is the great market inefficiency,
but there's just some situations you get sappy for, and
Michael Malone and Denver's become one of them. For me,
in part because this is why I can't run a team,
because you can't let this factor into it. But there
were so many times when they were dealing with injuries
before their title that some people thought it made sense
to change the coach. They didn't. It worked out, that
was really cool, But yeah, it's I just don't know,

(23:29):
and can it almost be made difficult by what if
you had to chopper in one player or acquisition, Like
what is what is it that this team needs the most?
Because I think you can rattle off a bunch of
different needs and Bruce Brown again, I think that's a solidist.
Having that type of reserve, that type of confidence coming
off the bench would be major. But I don't think

(23:51):
that it alters the Denver team that we're watching, Like,
you know, buy an incredible margin.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Well, I'm baking it into also improvements from the current team,
Like I don't think Julian Strather is not gonna get better,
Like I think he's gonna get better going against the
next year. Peyton Watson to me is the big one
because it feels like he's the guy who could make
like that leap, right the internal leap going from year
three to year four, Like he's made these small ish

(24:19):
leaps every single year. I feel like if he can
hit that next level next season, that is like an
indirect free agent acquisition in and of itself. Bruce Brown
is like the connector the floor guy, like you know,
the person who comes in off the bench and just
kind of runs the show. He knows everything that Mike

(24:41):
wants out of him. He knows how to play with
Yo Kisch. She wanted freaking title with him. Like, I
just I think there's something there where we're saying, oh yeah,
but Bruce Brown kind of stunk up that joint over
the past two years, Right, That's probably why he would
be interested in going back to Denver because he knows
that system. He wouldn't be coming into something new. He

(25:01):
would just roll back into a warm blanket of comfort
and get to work, which I think is something that
we can't understate in terms of importance. So I'm baking
that in with internal improvements. Also, are we closing the
door on Like if Brown comes back, that's on a
min deal, so they still have their exception, Like is

(25:24):
that door fully closed?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I mean maybe it's not. I don't I honestly don't.
Like could the Pelicans decide that they just want sort
of a salary placeholder on the books because players care
about bird rights more than ever.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
It feels like that's true.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
The Peyton Watson things interesting because I remain is so
high on him, But do you think that there's a
way for them to actualize anything close to his peak
given the current Like look at the players in front,
I'm looking offensively at the pecking order, and if he
could do things I think to fit in a larger
scheme better that look the three point volume off forever
watch even when he's hitting those threes. But the bigger

(25:57):
thing is there's also someone that needs to get stronger,
Like yeah, yeah, he can get to the ram espressing
in transition, Like his finishing is kind of whatever for
someone who is six', Eight like it's gonna be in
the medium percentile at best at this. Rate so can
he come back? Stronger can he come back ready to
make more of? It like can he be a higher
usage player in a larger offensive ecosystem that has at
times if he's on the, court like he just might

(26:18):
be the number five guy when you're Talking Murray, Jokic
Gordon Reporter Junior Christian. Brown so IF i Was, Denver
i'd probably be even THOUGH i think that he could
still technically have the higher ceiling Than, brown depending on
what cost could be for either than an. EXTENSION i
wouldn't if you think there's the right player out, There
like is there a higher End Bruce brown or just
a name that would come to mind for them where

(26:40):
it's you can Attach peyton watsonto you, know you look
at The Zeke, nagy The Dario sharaz player option. MONEY
i wouldn't be opposed to, it just BECAUSE i don't
know if he's ever going to even come close to
touching his ceiling on this iteration of the.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Nuggets oh, yeah, no, no, No like if there's a chance
to get significantly better and that is made available by
Attaching Peyton, Watson i'm not closing the door on. That
i'm just saying THAT i think there is some internal
improvement to expect out of. Him but you're, right like
he has not shown any one of us enough over
his first three seasons to somehow be like untouchable in

(27:16):
the trademarket for.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Example, no, no, no absolutely.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
NOT i will also say this In denver's, defense AND
i know you're gonna laugh at, me and it's fair because,
like why would a seam like them rely on a?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
ROOKIE i get.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
It but The Ron holmes going down and not playing
a single vinute this. Year THAT i think was a
big one because he was good value at that, Slot
like they needed someone like him with great, size with
a scoring, touch someone who could rebound the heck out
of the, ball someone who could just do stuff coming
off the bench for them to not have him and

(27:52):
to go to Seek nashi, instead who's been less be,
honest like he's had a couple of moments this year before,
that for a couple of, years he's been. Dreadful that
was a big. Loss so If holmes is, healthy and
that's a big, if but like if they feel comfortable
with his health coming in next, year that makes me
a little bit more at ease in pivoting Off Peyton

(28:13):
watson if that comes to.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
THAT i think you could also, say but he's just
like his minutes have been up and down ever since
the quote unquote, breakout if you Trusted Zeke nagy enough
like that also makes it a little bit easier because
he's not necessarily like the caps lock. Five so, Yeah
denver is going to be fascinating for many. Reasons but
IF i had to, guess if you're, asking, well who's
more likely to? Be you, know not on this team

(28:35):
with the team next. Year we should frame it that.
Way you list all the players Including Peyton watson Or Christian,
Brown Michael Porter. Jr Or Michael. Malone i'm gonna Pick
Michael malone as the least likely to be. There who's
your next?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Pick oh that's a good, one, Right SO i want
TO i want to get out ahead of this. One
so they are currently third in The, east so that's
why it it's a long. Shot it's nixed with Tips
LIKE i feel LIKE i say one, thing yes you.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Can they were on my list, too SO i don't
think you need to feel.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Bad nice all? Right that that actually makes me feel
a little bit. Better, look it's the minutes. Thing it's
it's still the minutes. Thing like you have five guys
all starting who's PLAYING i was about to say over
thirty five minutes per? Game but you know, what kudos
To Tom. Thibodeau Carl Anthony sallas is playing thirty four

(29:29):
point nine minutes per, Game like he's just under thirty.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Five load management is ruining the.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
League, really it's, like my, god Tips, like uh but
but you, KNOW i when you have guys coming off
the bench and you just don't utilize, them even if
you're up by a large. Margin it just makes, Me
it makes me sort of furious at times because we've
seen before how that comes to the expense of players
and player health and. Whatnot for for him to go

(29:57):
into this situation and always double down down on his
primary five in the regular, season no, less it's you
have to ask big, Questions like if you are the front,
office you have to ask, yourself like we just spent
a lot of asset asset's gathering this, Group like we
have a very very intriguing top. Five are we in

(30:21):
in some sort of risk of basically losing the value
of that five sum because they're just getting grinded into
pulp during the course of the regular season and playing
that many.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Minutes and here's the.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Thing you can go to tips and you can tell, them,
look you need to tone down the. Minutes, sure that's
been that's been. Tried that that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
WORK i don't think anyone's ever tried it. More there's
no way.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Right he's he will sell his soul for like A
november twentieth win against The Charlotte hornets if it came
down to, That like, Again this is the same guy
who Played Jimmy butler forty eight minutes in a preseason.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Game back in the.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Day this is the, Guy and, LIKE i don't have
any issues with his, DEFENSE i. DON'T i think his,
coaching generally, speaking is perfectly sound. Reasonable the minutes distribution
is just it's so, rough AND i get the people
push back and, say, look look at the. Roster what
is he gonna. Do play more minutes to Like Landry. Shammitt, yes,

(31:24):
Yes Landry shammon should play more. Minutes, Absolutely, yes you're absolutely, right,
Listener players like that should get more. Minutes, yes just
to make sure that the starters don't.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
DIE i, LOOK i think there's a lot Of knicks
fans like to dismiss it at this. Point there's real
stuff to the minutes. Conversation it's you don't want, to
at least at the very, least you want to try
and do your part to ensure those kind of soft
tissue injuries aren't becoming a bigger. RISK i think there's
a Chance Jalen brunson's absence becomes sort of a blessing

(31:59):
in disguise for. Them for, one things they learned about
everybody else most notably O, gananobi but two like just
having him be Healthier brunton himself be maybe not as
worn down for the part of the postseason and in better.
Shape perhaps again you'd rather him not get. Injured at
the same, time it's, well he actually just be better
off because he got this time off that he otherwise

(32:20):
would not. HAVE i will SAY i think That tibbs
has done some things that go. Overlooked, STILL i was,
worried for, instance that you, know there are things That
i'm not happy with when it comes to The Karl
anthony town. Usage but one of the THINGS i was
super worried about was are they gonna let his post
ups kind of become a? Crutch and they. Haven't he
is driving last per thirty six. Minutes i'd like the

(32:41):
three point attempts to be. Higher BUT i think that
they've been more creative with him on offense Than tibbs
receives credit. For that's a good. Thing the fact that
Og annoby has at least been. EMPOWERED i know some
of it was out of. Necessity that's a good. Thing
but to your, point this is where and it might
not even if you don't want to make it the minutes.
Thing it's part of the minutes. Thing his marriage to

(33:03):
his guys or even his overall, approach it's, problematic especially
when what he's married to is maybe not the. Answer
and so look at that that, lineup you're the starting,
Five like on the, season they're plus four point seven
points per one hundred plus four point four points per
one hundred. POSSESSIONS i believe that's like we got like

(33:25):
that's in the fifty first percent. Tile that is nothing
like the offense in the sixty third percent. Tile the
defense is in the fortieth. Percentile for that to be
your most used, lineup if you're gonna ride your, players
you would like that to be way better than it.
Is and the fact that he seems you know this
might change in the, playoffs but are you willing to
Play josh Hart less to get more of a floor

(33:46):
spacer in there when teams don't care. THAT i know
he does a lot for the team with, rebounding, driving,
transition but even when he's not taking or making nearly
enough threes for defenses to, care it's the PLAYER i
always reference is, like he's just not the samet in
the half court that even A lou door is at
this point there will be more reactions to dou dort
and other things to, note just, like it does feel

(34:07):
like he can still be stubborn to adjust his defensive
principles in the middle of the game or just against
certain matchups to where, it's oh, like why aren't you
Doubling Devin Booker moore when he's when he's torch torching?
You AND i understand if you Vote gigiana no reguarding
him that that's besides the. POINT i think you can look,
at you, know why aren't you playing more aggressive pick
and roll coverage With Karl Anthony towns when you know

(34:28):
his limitations in, Drop Like i'd be interested to see
the data of just, Like, okay, well how how much
drop Is Karl Anthony town's playing this? Year AND i
would argue that IT'S i would say it's just too.
Much the problem, IS i think we also have to
recognize The knicks are working through a level of success
that they just have not enjoyed in roughly, forever and
he seems to resonate with his, players AND i think

(34:49):
what you actually need to believe is the offense can be,
flawed but if you're bringing in a new. COACH i
think you need to believe that they can get they
can squeeze more juice out of this defense than Top
thibodau by maybe incorporating more variability into their. COVERAGES i
don't know if when you look at the head coaching
market right, now like As Taylor jenkins or someone that

(35:11):
would do, that and then how are you gonna feel
about his? Offense BECAUSE i DON'T i don't think The
knicks are inventive enough overall on, Offense but, like are
you well The? Grizzlies are you gonna need to hire
like a certain assistant to oversee? That SO i have
a lot of. Questions it's all gonna come down to
the playoffs if they get. TRUCKED i don't care If
boston's a terrible matchup for, them and if they win
a playoff, series that's who they're. Facing but if you
get trucked by, them you have to consider everything that

(35:33):
includes do you're now training jail on? Brunts AND i
want to make it, clear but litter AND i would
argue that Ogn andobi is the second most important player
on this team moving. Forward but if you get trucked
in the second, round and it's reflective of how big
of the chasm is separating you from the team that
you are built to contend. With everything is on the
table at that, point including and probably most likely changing

(35:55):
the head.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
COACH, yep totally.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Agree CAN i ask you a quick question on, this
MM hm who is more likely to be In New
york next? Season Top, Thibodeau Josh, Hart McHale bridges Or
Karl Anthony.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Towns who's who's most, likely not, likely.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Most likely not to be. There i'm sorry that was
a terrible.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Phrasing, no all.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Good that's a good, question and all my questions are good.
Questions more they are they are the. Thing the thing
is like the, heart Says Mikale. Bridges but THEN i
start to think about how that would be losing face
because the amount that you gave up to get him

(36:37):
and then pivoting off of him after a, year that
would be pr. Suicide Josh hart has, become you, know
the heart of the team in many, Ways like he's
like his connection with the fan base is also pretty.
Insane that plays a. Factor, also he's like, like contractually
his compensation level is, brilliant so like that doesn't necessarily

(37:02):
make a lot of. Sense towns is a. Star those
are tough to come, by even if they are. Expensive
So i'm probably gonna Say.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Tips, HONESTLY i think that's the right. Answer and it
sort of also would be if this team had more.
Assets And i'm not even talking about picks, obviously but
in terms of salary, matching like you look at The
Mitchell robbinson number now where you're going to the, Books
but if they were able to add a certain type
of player that would maybe make it easier For Josh,
hart like For tips to Move Josh hart to the bench.

(37:31):
Bench that might be the type of moves where, okay
you can sort of basically run it back and you
don't need to change the head. COACH i just don't
know if they, have like if they're pulling off a
trade where you think they're incorporating a different. STARTER i
Know tho's arguments produced McBride to start right, NOW i
just Don't i'd be shocked if that happens permanently under,
Tibodeauugh but how do you go out and get someone

(37:51):
who's then good enough to start in place Of Josh
hart And thibodau's eyes with the assets you. Have, again
it's all gonna depend on the, playoffs but they have
not shown nearly enough against the teams for us to
think that these aren't gonna be questions over the. Offseason
we're onto my pick and you actually you took my next,
pick So i'm gonna go. Here Mike budenholzer In. Phoenix,

(38:12):
yeah this is his first, year but, like this team
is the second worst defense in the league since The
All star. BREAK i think they're back to the bottom
five on the. Season you can't fault him for the
limitations of the, roster but like to kind of and
The Colin gillespie, THING i buy and large give The
suns a. Pass i'm not leaning into it further just

(38:33):
because of the names that were, there but like the
inconsistent AND i think that's putting it charitably deployment Of Ryan, Dunn,
ohsoegadaro who provide actual. Needs like let's just do the
most fundamental cookie cutter overview of Them Ryan dunn, defense
and he's actually not the bead as a short roll.
Passer and then, like Ohsoe, agadaro we just have evidence

(38:55):
That Devin book specifically will look excellent for the most
part on, offensive he has a decision Making Big osukadar
or someone wh could do that in the short role
as a, screener you'd like to see, him you, know
be a little bit more aggressive looking for his own.
Shot of course that's on. Him it doesn't seem like
the vibes are great again to where you know you
had the multiple reports of just like, oh or him

(39:15):
and kd on the same, page or him And Devin
booker on the same. Page you talk about the optics
for The knicks if they Move Josh. Hart the optics
for The knicks if The sons get rid of another
head coach will be. Terrible but if they are i, mean,
actually does it even matter if you're The sun's team
and you want to, Continue i'll, say propping up the
facade that you're all about contending, now don't you kind

(39:38):
of have to consider? Anything and then even if you're
taking a step, back you Move Kevin, durant Maybe Devin
booker decides he wants, out you also kind of have
to step back and, evaluate, Well Mike budenholzer then the
right coach for a team that's lost one or two
of its.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Stars.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Right it's interesting because if, he like if Coach bud
And Devin booker, hadn't you, know had a some war of,
WORDS i would probably have felt a more more of
ease BECAUSE i feel Like booker is probably the guy
to stick, around, Right, like if they're pivoting off, him
it's because he has gone to them and, said, look

(40:12):
it's it's, time LIKE i just need to move off
of this. TEAM i don't think he's there. Yet that's
just my read on, it not sourcing. Anything that's JUST
i think he's like willing to see it through just
a little bit. Longer but it is wild that if
you Have Devin booker And Kevin durant on the same
team and none of whom are you, know extremely, injured

(40:34):
Like Kevin durand has missed what sixteen games this?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Year like, yeah that's, something it's not a whole. Lot
so if you have both those guys mostly, available and
this is how you, look this is where you end.
Up that's.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Rough that is that is very very, Rough and that's
where you have to figure, out like The Booker budenholzer,
relationship like is that? Salvageable is there any way you
can move? Forward because Like durant is out of. There
this we, know like he was, Reported, yeah oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
The report that he's open to signing an extension With.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Phoenix, NO i did.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Not WHAT i saw the report From Brian windhor saying
The suns were looking for a massive hall for.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Him that was WHAT i, saw all.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Right so The Ringers Logan murdoch had a. Piece Actually
i've yet to read, it but That durant that in
it noted That durant would be open to staying In.
Phoenix NOW i don't know when he was talking To
durant at that, time but if it was semi, recently
like that would seem like a pretty significant departure from
WHAT i still assume he's. Gone BUT i was just
noting it to cover our. Base that's.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Interesting, god he's not all over the.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Place this team is making me too sad for it
to stay, together SO i don't want them to, extend.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Right but it's so, wild right because Then, durand before
the trade, headline he didn't want to go To Golden.
State then after the trade headline he was.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Like, well you know, what LIKE i might be open
to it in the off season when anything kind of dies,
Down like what Like Kevin duran make, up you're goddamn
mind least LIKE i, need we need to know what
the hell is gonna go on.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Here, no but Like i'm very much assuming he's, out
so they will have to construct the roster out book
and that, ALSO i don't know how the hell they
solve The, bradley but that's their.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Issue well do you think it helps at how bad
the situation has got that he would just it's over
the off, season it's probably. Easy it's it's not probably
it's definitely easier to relocate then that he just might
widen his scope of like oh he would go if
maybe he's not, content but he'll look at a team
and say, like, oh they're gonna take on my money
And i'm gonna get a bunch of shots and maybe you,

(42:41):
know pad my stats and it helps you with my next.
CONTRACT i am wondering if it gets easier to, move
LIKE i would, say easier than we would expect over
the offseason to move, him just because this situation has
deteriorated so, Much why does he want maybe things off
the quarter, Better like maybe him And Devin booker are
best friends or, something and we just don't know, it
but that's not that's not really anything that you've.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Hurt so so what team would trade For beale and
give him?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Shots?

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Though The nets would be a good, example like they
if they were gonna use their burn their cap space On.
Beale But i'm saying it would be a rebuilding. Team
is more so like With, charlotte if they're getting anything
like kind of send back you look like to do
the sun still of interest In Miles. Bridges you could
build something around. That that's the type of. TEAM i
don't THINK i would be pretty surprised if any. TEAM

(43:28):
i mean maybe maybe The bulls at this. Point they
did Trade Zach lavine and why not pair him With
giddy And Kobe? White Bradley, Beal Kobe, White Josh, giddy
Moving Patrick. Williams, yeah, baby.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah that would be hilariously.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Bad, Yes So i'm just, saying does it you still
view it as sort of A Bradley beal's not gonna
go anywhere over the off season. SITUATION i view it
as a, yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
But maybe maybe Maybe i'm, giving you, know seems too much,
Credit like If i'm trying to put myself in the
place on a, team there right there Where i'm in the.
CHAIR i have to make a, Call Like i'm just
not calling Up phoenix and, going, hey, guys, so, Uh
Bradley beal, Available Like i'm not gonna do.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
That, no that's not WHAT i just wonder if they're
gonna give, them AND i guess you're looking At, okay
the picks are so kind of low. Level but if
you're just attaching two first round, picks they get Off
Bradley beal for they could be rotation, players but no
one you view as important to your fare.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
One hundred and ten million dollars though left.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Deal, LOOK i think you the no trade clause makes it.
PROHIBITIVE i want to make that, Clear but like two
years is not if you already know that next season isn't.
It then it, becomes, oh he's an expiring, contract the
no trade. CLAUSE i totally understand what you're. Saying and
what's the extent to Which, Phoenix, like would they include
A nigodaro Or Ryan done to get Off. Beal i'm
sure the fan base a riot at that, point but

(44:49):
So i'm Not this is all to SAY i don't
think the situation is. SALVAGEABLE i just. Don't it does
feel like if if you had to ask, ME i
think it's more likely That Bradley beale is out Of
phoenix next year Than Mike. Puttenholzer.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Interesting, Interesting all?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Right do you think it's more Likely Mike puttenholzer is
out Of phoenix Than Devin? Booker, YES i tend to.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Agree.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
YEAH i, mean, look it's it's book, like let's give
him that that.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Courtesy.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Right, OH i don't think if and when the sun's
Moved Devin, BOOKER i don't think it's gonna be. Proactive
it's going to be reactive to him saying guys like
this exactly.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
This, yeah perhaps that's the scene that ends up just
giving brad would be a lot of shots The Phoenix
sons just BY.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
U Trading Kevin.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Durant, yeah all, Right so so my next, Scene, Yeah
i'm gonna not, no not hitching my.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Bet that's the wrong way to phrase.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
It Like i'm gonna, say depending on where they go
with the, roster if they decide to just basically blow,
everything Guy. High i'm kind of looking At Willie, green
And i'm not Saying Willy green BECAUSE i think he's
necessarily a bad coach or. Anything but if The pelicans
do decide to hit that big fat red reset, button

(46:15):
there might also be some level of thinking, that, hell
you know, what if we're starting everything, over might as
well also start over with a new coaching staff to
optimize everything.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Around this new court that we're.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Built, Like i'm not saying That Willy green deserves to
be fired Because i'm not. THERE i not. Whatsoever he
seems to have pretty good rapport with his. Guys he's still,
young he's still someone who has a lot of potential
left in the. Back but he's been there three this
is his fourth. Year might be time to do something. Else,

(46:48):
LIKE i don't know if they're planning to move off Of.
SION i don't know if they're planning to make big
alterations for the roster this. SEASON i don't think anyone really.
KNOWS i think a lot of people have, opinions BUT
i don't we. Know And i'm just assuming more or
less that if you're gonna go in and say let's
start this whole thing, OVER i would not be shocked

(47:09):
to See Willie green be a part of that whole.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Change, YEAH i think he's Almost i'm not even insulting your.
WHOTSE i think he has to be an obvious inclusion
at this point because it's Getting you're at the stage,
of all, right how many times are we gonna go through?
This you could say the available. Personnel but now you're
also at an inflection point as a franchise where you
know you're gonna have this high lottery. Pick you've already
traded brandon ingram Ce j, McCollums deal is winding. Down

(47:33):
De Jontay murray is going to play when again we
have no. Idea There's Trey, murphy There's Herb, jones like
the team is still super. Interesting you have to ask.
Yourself it's you ask yourself the same question whether it's,
okay they get a Lottery let's say they win the,
lottery or they get the top three, pick if they're
gonna kind of start over or take a slow. Approach
it's not just well do we Move Zion, williamson it's you,

(47:54):
know Does Willie green fit into? This apologies for the
crashing noise in the. Background the other thing would, be,
well if you're still going for, it you have to, ask,
well can he optimize whatever this roster looks? Like AND
i think there's been frustrations even when The pelicans have
rated incredibly. HIGHLY i think he's a pretty good a
lot of the. TIMES i know they're twenty ninth in
points let per. Possession i've a lot of the times
been impressed with the defense he extracts out of the

(48:15):
team relative to some of the personnel, offensively even when
they're at their. Best it does feel, like, now is
this a function of the personnel that he's been given
or something he does as a. Coach actually tend to
lean towards the ladder given the breadth of the sample,
size But New orleans has Since zion has entered the,
leak they have rated better to that than twenty third
in three point attempt frequency just. Once and that Was

(48:37):
zion's rookie year when he played in twenty four. Games
so that's something that you need to. Address AND i
think you can, say, well do they have the personnel
to do? It AND i JUST i kind of look
at it and, say all, right you still don't, really
depending on how you feel About Carlo, makovich like you
don't have that traditional floor spacing big you know What zion.
Is murray was never going to be a super high volume. Guy.

(48:58):
Ingram we know his struggles like mcs up to his
three point, Attempt, toree you Have Trey. Murphy BUT i
do think you need to look, like is there a
way for? Them we know What zion can do on.
Offense is there someone who can come in here and
be more creative with him or be more creative with
everybody else to get that rim and three combined frequency
just add a clip to where, it's, oh this offense
feels more. Dynamic then it's like the ceiling With zion

(49:19):
on offense is it doesn't. Exist and SO i think
there's a bunch of even with his, LIMITATIONS i think
there's a bunch of different things they could drive in with,
Him like is there a way to Get zion more
creative usage away from the? Ball AND i, LOOK i
Think Willie green's been pretty creative With Eves measi or
at least smart with him during when we've seen those
two together earlier this. Year but, YEAH i just think

(49:40):
it's a fair question because what else are you going to.
Do it's not you could, say, well they need to
make changes to the roster aside from that incoming lottery.
Pick how comfortable do you feel making a trade with
the intent of getting better when you're dealing with it's
not Just zion's, health but it's like when is De
Jonte murray going to? Play you, know that's a huge
piece of this.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Team you're absolutely, right and all those, questions that's a
big ass gumboat that they have to answer over the
course of the. Same AND i wouldn't be surprised If
Willy green is an ingredient in, That so we'll. SEE
i kind of hope that they'd be open to keeping
him BECAUSE i Like Willie, green LIKE i ACTUALLY i

(50:19):
think there's something there in terms of his. Coaching, like,
again the roster's stability has, been as you, said. Inconsistent
it hasn't been, there like it the roster construction as,
well like for the most, part LIKE i think it's
been a bit. Wonky so like maybe there's a last
gasp From David griffin in terms of, like, OH i
have an, idea let's execute it and see what's. Up

(50:40):
and perhaps that is something where they were willing to
Include Willy green into that and see where it. Goes
but at this, Point i'm almost Expecting choms to hit
a you, know give, us give us a choms bomb
or whatever we decide to call. It well within the
next couple of.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Weeks, yeah and you know, what we haven't mentioned, this
but it's you have to Issue David griffin and the
rest of the front officer at least on alert. Now and,
like this is one of the changes you make if
you're allowed, to is to change the head. Coach SO
i wonder if that adds any pressure to the. EQUATION
i think are we ready For so it's my. PICK
i think we're at the point where we've had the
five inclusions that where they just make a ton of,

(51:21):
sense and now it gets a little bit more challenging
unless you think there's another obvious. Candidate i'm going To
i'm genuinely asking, here, okay, okay is there a Chance
Jamal moseley winds up on the hot, seat because what is?
It we know the, injuries we know the. Defense what
evidence do we have that he's the right offensive coach
for The Magic and if you say none or very,

(51:43):
LITTLE i think the counterpoint would, be, well how much
of that falls on the front office for putting in? Place, okay,
yes you Have, pollo Youo Frendre baveli talented, team but
you've been unable to bring in more dynamic offensive.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Acquisitions, well you stole my. Pick that was the mine next.
One So i'm very glad you brought that up BECAUSE
i was afraid that was going to be very. Controversial, look,
like the one thing THAT i could come up with here, is,
hey did you see the first five games of The
magic season Before paulo Ben kara went? Down they took
a shit ton of. Threes and that's basically where my argument,

(52:19):
ends because it's that, like that's that's where we saw
a little bit of creativity from, him basically, saying, look
if we have to Empower paolo And franz to make
the decisions with the ball.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
In their, hands we need to have. Shooters we need
to make a ton of.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Threes we need to get that shut up at an
insanely high. Rate, Obviously poulo went, down Then franz went,
down Then mowagna went down for the entire, season who
was also a part of that spacing, element one of
their better three point, shooters which is pretty sad in
its own, Right but there we. GO i, Mean i'm
just trying to be honest. Here BUT i, mean, look

(52:56):
that's what he came up. WITH i don't hate that
plan of, saying all, right let's empower those two players
power In, france and then let's just make sure we
get up like forty two threes per, game forty five
threes per.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Game that's that's. Dope that's a good.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Mentality but you also don't have the personnel to execute,
it and so he had to scale, back and it
became a lot of LIKE i don't want to say
foul baiting or foul, grifting BUT i do think The
magic are very good to get into the free throw
line via you, know drives and perhaps acting out certain
things like, honestly with all The shay hate recently in

(53:35):
terms of him drifting for, FOULS i just kind of
want to, say, hey look at The. Magic just go
look at The magic a little bit once in a.
While So i'm wondering With, jamal was that just like
the default. Option, hey we have two very you, know ball,
handling very strong ball handling. Forwards the only, alternative because

(53:56):
we don't have a primary league, guard is just to
get every wants to take. Threes because if that's the only,
default he has though even THOUGH i like the, plan
it can't be the whole.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Plan there has to be more to.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
It Like i'm surprised we haven't seen more of like
hear me out before you slaughter me. Here i've been
surprised why we haven't seen more Col anthony minutes because
there have been games where they have gone like four
or five minutes without a point and where you're kind
of looking like at that team just completely in the

(54:29):
lull where they have no offensive minded players really on the,
court and Col anthony is sitting on the bench just
kind of, mhm my turn soon like and where we
have not Seen jamal even look his, way and he's
just stuck with you, know defensive.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Lineups there is a point where coaches can.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Skew too heavily one side or the, other and right
NOW i think mostly it's like on the, fence like
he skews very much defensively to the point where are
we are we reaching that point where it's becoming a,
Problem like are we reaching that point where the magic
has to look at that going to the summer and, say,

(55:10):
look defense is, great that's, awesome but we need to score.
Points and With jamal in charge we just cannot get
those extra points out of this. Roster that has to
be a, question that has to be a. CONVERSATION i call.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
It these stuff is fascinating because he begins the season
kind of an. Afterthought injuries forced that to. Change then
he's playing a. Bunch then he has that it was
like a toe injury a few weeks, ago and he
comes back AND i don't know if he's still maybe
dealing with, it but his place in the rotation has
been a sporadic ever. Since AND i think you highlighted
two of the flaws THAT i think you can pin
On Jamal. Moseley but AGAIN i don't. Know one of
THEM i do believe could maybe be a mandate from

(55:50):
the front. Office but are you too like tethered to
the idea of we need as many good defenders on
the floor as possible when this is a team where
what have we known about? Them he's been there four,
years three of which they have been elite, defensively and
so what have we known about? Them that they have
a margin for error on the defensive. End SO i
think he can get too attached at least he coaches

(56:13):
the team that, way because it would be, like that'd
be another reason, why like why hasn't this organization done
more to Develop Jet howard here when in theory he
does a lot of what they again conceptually would, need
and yet he's not somebody that's ever like through his
first couple of season receiving a ton of. Minutes if

(56:33):
you think that's a like a sort of an indication
on this the how Good Jet howard, is that's totally.
Fine that will fall on the front. Office, then but
four minutes per game is a rookie of just over
eleven minutes per game as a as a, sophomore it's
just not. Enough, yeah. It'sious the other THING i will point,
out AND i think this is maybe not the bigger,
one but it's it matters to. Me i'll throw out

(56:56):
the first year he's, there, like just it's his first.
Year we know what the magic were back. Then this,
team they are running more this. Year they're sixteenth in transition.
Efficiency AND i know that you have guys In wagner
And Palo binkaro who kind of like to attack in
a more methodical. Fashion but when you've ranked in the
top ten of forcing turnovers in each of the three

(57:16):
years and yet after you force a. Turnover you have been,
nineteenth twenty third and twenty third again this, year respectively
in transition. Frequency like this is a team if we
know that you don't have enough spacing or even, enough
if you think you're at an initiation deficit in the half,
court what's one of the ways to offset some of that,

(57:38):
deficit especially when your players are. Talented this isn't like
the process, sixers where's we play fast just to cover
up the fact that we don't HAVE nba. Players it's
no get against more defenses that are scrambling or not.
Set i've never understood even this, year like being sixteenth
in transition, frequency is it's? Better and LIKE i think
they're two percentage points up in their transition frequency over

(58:00):
last year or whatever it ends up. BEING i think
that THEY'VE i don't know if they've like defaulted to
this idea that like you just can't do it as
much When paalo Ben carrow's on the, court and that's
just no like you can like off live, rebounds off
turnovers that you're. Forcing like this is a team THAT
i THINK i don't know if it would solve, everything
BUT i think it would make me feel a lot
better about their. Offense they are not nearly as athletic

(58:23):
as say The Houston, rockets but like when you look
at them compared to a team Like, MEMPHIS i know
that they don't have A jama ramp Like memphis can
play fast like why Can't orland like who do you
look at? It like they've. Tried maybe that's why they
didn't play zact eaty enough this. Year they wanted to
play a little. Faster but it's, LIKE i don't Look
my point, is even if that's a bad, EXAMPLE i
don't look at this personnel and, say, oh The magic

(58:44):
don't have room to be in transition. More that is
not a takeaway.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
THAT i have, Agreed, yeah very much.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Agreed do you have another coach on your?

Speaker 3 (58:53):
List so sort Of and it's not about the hot.
SEATS i want to make that, perfectly perfectly. Clear this
is a question about a coach right now who is
doing very very well in turning like getting his team
from POINT a to POINT. B i'll even go as

(59:14):
far as saying he might have been able to get
his team from POINT aid to points see this. Year
but where you have to, wonder is this a guy
who they're going to keep for the long.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Term is he going to be a championship level? Coach
we're gonna have to go To. Detroit Like detroit has
made the biggest turnaround in THE, NBA jp bigger staff
has done an amazing job for. Them he's still very
much similar To jamal Mosley. E skews defense over, offense
and he isn't really the most creative offensive mind out.

(59:45):
THERE i think we also saw that With cleveland last.
Year is he a guy who we are going to
have to put on this list twenty four months from?

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Now two? Years that's tim maybe because you would at
that point you would have time and a, couple like
a few transaction cycles to go through to see did
we improve enough with the like the talent infusion plus the.
Players we already have what's interesting with, him and he's.
Not he's obviously not in the hot. Seat now you
do have the question of is this someone who can

(01:00:18):
get you to a? Point and then like it's ALMOST
i was framing it WHEN i talked About thibodeau with
someone the other, day where it's did The knicks find THEIR.
Jb bickerstaff to get them to? This you, know fifty
win Like, treadmill fifty plus Win, treadmill and now they
need to go find Their Kenny, atkinson, Right so like
that could be what The pistons run into WITH. Jb.
Bickerstaff it does feel like this season and just the

(01:00:41):
stuff that they they put you have to credit this front.
Office like there was just better spacing around, kid WHICH
i think was even With Isaiah stewart not taking threes
was a big. Deal but also just like the juice
that he has squeezed out of this. Team on, DEFENSE
i REALLY i know you Have Asar thompson and if he,
qualified he'd be on all. Defense probably you Have Isaiah.
Stewart their defense for most of this season has exceeded

(01:01:03):
my expectations relative to the. Personnel So i'd say he's bought,
himself not just like they would have to have everyone's.
Available you get better on paper and then you win
twenty five games or. Something, again so he's bought himself
twenty four. Months BUT i think it is interesting to, ask,
like is he someone who can be as you framed it, With,
okay they're, good they're really. Good can you get them to?
GREAT i, MEAN i hope he. CAN i would root

(01:01:25):
for it because the piss has been such a fun
story and it's are we GONNA i don't want to
bring this up BECAUSE i know it's not gonna, Happen
but it's funny that we, have is it because we
have a larger sample size with him And? Tibbs but
nobody's really asking that question About mark Dak no In Oklahoma,
City and SO i don't know if it's unfair to
ask it OF. Jb, Bicker, like, YEAH i guess we
have more, evidence but we're just, assuming like the thunder

(01:01:46):
are so well set That pigan's not Even AND i
don't by the, WAY i don't think it should AND
i don't think it will become a discussion should they
flame out in the playoffs this. Year maybe maybe it.
Does BUT i do find it somewhat interesting that this
is a talking point WITH. Jb Bickers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Staff, yeah, WELL i, MEAN i just think it's because
there's a previous, record. RIGHT i think it's because we
have the contrast of the, calves like bigger staff. Leaves
atkinson comes in that the team didn't make you, know
a lot of changes over the course of. Summer they made,
some but he just kind of dialed it differently than

(01:02:24):
how bigger staff did and we saw dramatic. Improvement SO
i think that was the contrast where you kind of, going, oh,
okay and there's a lot of the SIMILAR dna with
last year's calves and these years, pistons to the point
where you're looking at it and, going, well what's the
top end potential? Here it's interesting you bring in you,
know dignal to this because outside of last, year where you,

(01:02:47):
know obviously they didn't get to the point where they
wanted to in the, PLAYOFFS i don't feel as though
they've ever been in a position where they could truly
compete for a title like it was last year and this,
year so it's been only one playoff year with disappointing.
Results is that enough data to go? Off because, like

(01:03:09):
this team could win the whole goddamn thing this year
and then we'd never talk about this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Again, well it kind of comes back to them, though
like why was the pressure necessarily ON. Jb bicker staph
last year mid injuries and like it was a forty.
Eight BUT i JUST i honestly my answer would, BE
i think it comes back to the organization And, okay
see is set a precedent where people aren't gonna Speculate
matt regard and when you're looking at The pistons, specifically
again we're way ahead of this type of, Talk but

(01:03:36):
you're not The calves, Too like you don't trust those
organizations on the same level as you do With. Okac's
and you're. RIGHT i do think the the relative unknownness
about since Mar daniel did not have AN nba head
coaching position, before it works in his favor. Here but
just THE. Jb bickerstaff's, credit like he inherited A cavs team,
that like they weren't built to win more than twenty
two games in his first full, SEASON i think that's

(01:03:59):
him the forty four from, there and it just feels, like,
YEAH i think you, know you have two years after,
that but last year there was just a ton of injuries.
There maybe it comes down more to locker room. STUFF
i just it's something because we didn't see enough of
him In memphis to just, Say, okay he had his
two seasons there and, like what was he supposed to
accomplish with the rosters he, Had SO i remain more
of A i don't eve even know if it's A.

(01:04:20):
Jb bickerstaff, optimist Because i'm not saying anyone or even
you as a, pessimist BUT i do find the discussion
around him heavily weighted into just Like, Okay cleveland made
a huge jump and then didn't win the championship like
in the next two. Years is what it's?

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Fair that is. Fair that is. Fair and also he's
still for a, coach he's pretty. Young we have seen
him get, better we have seen him like learn from.
Mistakes you know, What i'll actually withdraw that, ONE i,
think because that's. Fair that's a really good. Point let's
GIVE jb another like at least a year before we'll
bring him up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Again and do you know WHAT i wonder, Too AND
i think this is probably true in any. Situation what
it seems to excel this is what did The cavs
do during that? Time they traded For Donovan mitchell and
so the, urgency the expectation, skyrocket and it feels like
that like The knicks would be a perfect. Example Tom
thabodau is sitting pretty last. Year but like you go
and you trade For ananobe right a little bit before

(01:05:15):
the trade, deadline then you trade for, towns you trade
For Michal bridges. Like that's part of the reason WHY
i KNOW tims has been there long enough to where
you can still have the. Discussion but those transaction, cycles
if you make one or two really big, moves and
especially if you're depleting your. ASSETS i think what The
pistons have going for them is they have Not they
don't have a ton of extra, assets AND i don't
think they're gonna act SUPER i don't want to say,

(01:05:38):
aggressively but reckless over the. Summer that they haven't had
that type of transaction cycle or that type of summer
or a series of a deadline in a. Summer it
probably works in his favor Of, okay they're taking. Again
this is first, year though maybe they changed course over
the summer and they do get ultra aggresive and that
increases the. STAKES i have one more. Coach it's more
of an open. Question what's happened In philly this? Year

(01:06:02):
do anything to move you? About, well what's gonna happen
With Nick? Nurse and BEFORE i really do throw it to,
You i'm looking at it from you could just harp
on the injuries and say, okay and then they lean
into the tank for. Sure but if they keep their
first round, pick they just have what feels like a
series of existential decisions to make to where it's, okay

(01:06:22):
are we keeping this pick and trying to develop them
while we Have Joel, Embiid Paul, George Tyrese, Maxi Quentin,
Grimes jared. McCain is there a way for them to juggle.
That do they look at trading that player so that
they can get some win now talent in here to
maximize the window Of, Embiid george And? Maxi except, oh
how much is And george going to play? Specifically and

(01:06:45):
then if you get into that and you're, wondering, oh
do we take a more gradual approach or are we
going to really invest in player development here alongside our core?
Players Is Nick nurse the guy for? THAT i don't
know what direction they need to head for his name
to on. THIS i don't have him on the hot seat.
Necessarily but when you have a team In philly where
the expectations were, high you missed them for whatever, reason

(01:07:08):
and now you might have a top six prospect on the,
ROSTER i find it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Fascinating it's it's really one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Situations where if a team that we feel is not
necessarily going anywhere jumps up in the draft lottery and
gets a chance at Like Cooper flag for, example that
could basically force a team's hands to just, say all, right,
look the clock has been. Reset we're starting over from.
Scratch like every plan that we had before the lottery

(01:07:37):
is now. Dead we're starting. Over we have to start
with the right coach For Cooper flag like that's like,
again like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
We brought up The.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Pelicans that's a team if they win the, lottery, right
they could use that as leaping as a springboard to, say,
okay that opens up a possibility to TRADING si, on
that opens up a possibility training a bunch of other.
Gris like the clock is. Reset, yes the same is
absolutely true in this. Scenario it's it's also true for
it seemed Like dallas Or chicago for, Example like those

(01:08:09):
teams if they jump up, somehow the clock resets and
you have to shuffle your. Priorities like, NO i was
gonna Say, toronto but that's not that's not gonna be.
Relevant they're still going to run that same. Thing but it's,
yeah circumstances change, occasionally they still align with a coach's

(01:08:31):
perspective or a coach's, view or sometimes an organization just
head over heels about a guy in charge on the
sideline and, going, look, look we love your whether we're
competing for a championship or we're rebuilding and we want
to stick with. You and so there are these very
different scenarios in. PLAY i guess we'll. See it's funny
that we haven't brought Up, miami, Right, like if there's

(01:08:52):
ever a legacy coach was just never on the hot,
seed it's it's coach.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
BO i will.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
SAY i would love to Ask Wes, goldberg who covers
does a fantastic job covering the heat For Lockdown, heat about,
this because it does seem like the fan base has
been more frustrated With coach bow over the past two.
Years THEN i sort of, remember and SO i would
BE i think there probably needs to be a fundamental
change in the front office, first where it's, like is

(01:09:19):
it someone other Than Andy ellisberg or Pat riley making
this call for that to? Happen BUT i think about
how many teams that we even just mentioned or other
teams aren't would they consider just getting rid of their
head coach At eric boelstro be, available.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Like that that might be the name For New york
If tips was, fired right and Coach bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Was, Ready, yes that would. ABSOLUTELY i mean of the
teams we, MENTIONED i think because they're also just the
glamour market who probably won't care what they're paying. HIM i,
MEAN i like you could he'd be a fit For
LIKE i still think he's one of the three best
head coaches in the. League is like he's up there
with like just in, general not this, season but if
you have, HIM U Rick carlisle's in. THERE i think

(01:10:02):
That Mark dagnol that certainly earned the. Red Maybe Will
hardy's in, there but certainly one of the top five.
Coaches so, yeah IT'S i you would be would you be?
Shocked like as it reached, that, nay, Dear and especially
when because of the, Picks like even if you convey
your pick this, year WHICH i don't know if they,
will but if you convey your pick this, year you're
still kind of on a more immediate window because of

(01:10:23):
That charlotte obligation in twenty twenty, Seven so it feels
like you need and it's just even from, there how
do you get? Better off Of, eric off Of eric's, BOELS.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I don't think you. DO i MEAN i would be.
SHOCKED i.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Would but at the same, time there's there's some components
of this THAT i think we're we might be overlooking
a little. Bit so remember when he got, hired all
the hype was, like oh one of the, youngest said,
coaches like forty seven or thirty eight years old along those. Lines,
well you know he's he's pushing fifty, five like he's fifty,

(01:10:57):
Four he's gonna turn fifty five this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Year so like that matters.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Too like there's a part of this where you also
kind of go, Okay like the more the older you,
get the more inclined you're going to be to be
a little bit stubborn about how you. Play like there
are gonna be some some pushback from a coach like,
OH i want to play a certain.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Way and maybe sometimes sometimes not saying this Would, spoe
but sometimes coaches kind of get stuck in there in
their prime, era like they don't necessarily realize that the
game has shifted because they've been so busy just focusing
on their own. Thing tips is a guy who had
to adjust on the, fly like there's a reason that
things didn't work out as well In minnesota as, Well

(01:11:38):
like he came To New york and everyone was a
little skeptical of, that but he showed us outside of
the minutes distribution that you can't just ice the pick
and roll all the, time like you can't just do
the same things you did In chicago ten years, ago
like you had to adapt and evolve to coach post.
Credit HE i feel as though he's done that for

(01:11:59):
the most. Point but is that going to be true
over the next five. YEARS i don't know the answer to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
THAT i will SAY i think of anyone we've mentioned so,
far his contract, situation just whereould they signed him in
twenty twenty four was the eight, year one hundred and
twenty million dollar. EXTENSION i don't know what the type
of options are at, that but we're we're this is
the first full season that we're now into that, extension
so like that would be you know WHAT i? Mean, so,
yeah HE'S i want to throw out another name, here

(01:12:28):
and it's and maybe it's more of a. Category who's
the head coach that's just most likely to? Quit it
can be someone we already, mentioned BUT i thought about
Like Jason kidd In? Dallas does he want no part
of what's going on in, there but he's maybe someone
who's not super. Desirable should he hit the open? Market
is there even a chance For Jason kid? That, okay

(01:12:49):
they Trade Anthony davis this summer for some reason and
then they decide that they need a different look at
a head. Coach was? There do you look at any
situations like who's the head coach that's just most likely
to want out of their current situation rather than we're
them on the hot, seat but they want to put
their organization on the hot.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Seat, WELL i, mean, again it depends on what happens
to the. Lottery but if The bulls win the lottery
and start over Around Cooper, flag that is probably going
to be the end of it For Billy, donovan who
just does not want to be a part of a
rebuilding situation.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Whatsoever he's made that painfully. Clear so like those situations can,
ARISE i, THINK.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
I, YEAH i think that's probably the. Names i'm just
going through it And i'm trying to. Think i'd be
curious to see What portland just Gave joe cronin an,
Extension i'd be curious to see how they really feel
About john. C billips after the. SEASON i do Not
the defense has been. GREAT i do feel a lot
of the times it's personnel, driven AND i don't know
how much credit to give him for, That but the
offense just feels like, blah like two blah at points

(01:13:48):
like doesn't like kind of absence of defining. Principles and
THEN i have not been thrilled with the way that
and Like Scoot henderson's had a better, year but he
had he was not as good like Post All star,
break and like how much of that falls On Chauncey
bills for not doing? More BUT i don't think the
person like when you look at him And Denny avdya

(01:14:09):
and Even Donovan klinton's, FINISHING i just think the personnel
is that impacts that a, lot because the spacing In
portland is, meant but that's a sort of another name
where it's Will Does portland consider him like the guy
to and we now Know cronin would have the LATITUDE
i would think to make that, call but have like
after this, season, specifically when the defense and a lot
of individual players have made like these, strides do you

(01:14:32):
make that, call but Also portland doesn't seem to necessarily
be invested in this super gradual timeline anymore based off
them going out and Getting Denny avi in the first,
place and it looks like that's gonna work. Out they're
just they're all sorts of despite all the encouraging, signs
despite the breadth of talent, there like they're deep WITH nba,
talent one of the deepest teams in the, league they're

(01:14:52):
just so fuzzy and hazy moving.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Forward for, ME i wouldn't hate a coaching chings, There
but to answer your, question just a guy who will
just fled out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Leave do you?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
See do you Think Charles Charles lee is just like
you know, WHAT i.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
CAN'T i can't with this guy. MORE i can't with
this franchise. Seymore this one year's. ENOUGH i just.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Nope do you know WHAT i think? Works in one
he worked so long to get the head coaching. Job
but also the fact that it's a different front office Than.
Charlotte if this Was mitch kupcheck circa a couple of years, ago, okay,
maybe but it does seem Like Jeff peterson and crew
understand what needs to. Happen The hornets are probably like
they're still really far, away but they DON'T i get

(01:15:35):
what you're, Saying, like but, YEAH i could see just
being subjected to the injuries of it, all like for
maybe organizational culture is, great but the injuries of it
all and it's oh And lomelo's rigid defensive. Stances, Yeah
i'm out, Right i'll go be an assistant for a
couple more years and then come back as a.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Coach, NO I i, HONESTLY i don't think there's, LIKE
i don't think there's anyone who's who's like a prime
candidate to just up and leave out of out of, nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
RIGHT i, mean, WELL i think we may have mentioned,
him all, Right Michael, Malone like that just seems like
a situation like remember The Rick Carlisle mavericks thing where
it was Like i'm gonna get you before you get,
me couldn't? You and THERE i think his contract was
at more of an organic pivot. POINT i can't remember Off,
rip but that would be the name where IT'S i
love coaching Nicolea, jokic But i'm a championship head. Coach

(01:16:20):
i'll probably get another, opportunity even IF i have to
sit out a year if things just go sour between
him and the front. Office since that, dynamic let's play it.
Kindly it's at least not peach, keen, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
But like you would still be the coach who decided
on his own terms to leave a situation where he
was coaching perhaps the best center of all. Time THAT'S i,
mean So rick carl.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Decided, yeah and it's Different Rick carli clashed With Luca
and it doesn't seem Like Michael malone And. Jokic you've
ever had that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Issue, no they seem to greatly respect one. ANOTHER i did.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
Wonder let's just say now that the ownership change is
going to be, official assuming The board Of governors ratifies,
it if they decide to cut costs, again or If
Tim connolly decides that he wants to leave because he
Has is there any chance That Chris finch is just
sort of, like my, god it's LIKE i can't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
ANYMORE i, mean look that that might actually be a
fairly reasonable, answer you, know he because there would be
jobs for him out. THERE i would IMAGINE i would, Agree, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Yeah that. Yeah IF i had to pick, one it
would Be Michael. Malone there just doesn't seem like a
ton of good candidates, Here but if there were sort
of a, shock maybe a situation that you would call fairly,
shocking where, it's, OH i can't get to like This boelstra,
tire but something Like Chris finch In, minnesota just like
some because that franchise has been an acid trip the
past couple, years specifically because of just the highs and the.

(01:17:55):
MEDIUMS i guess that they've.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Explored, WELL i, mean, look you know would be funny as.
Fuck IS Jj reddick?

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Going you know?

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
WHAT i prefer podcasting and just saying, nope this this for.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Me i'd like to get in a role where, Me Steve,
nash And lebron are podcasting. TOGETHER i think that's WHERE
i call for.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Me, well remember when When Magic johnson was, like, No
I'm i'm resigning as THE gm with The lakers BECAUSE
i wanted to sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Again oh, yeah well this is maybe it's a stupid,
question but like they haven't necessarily shown a ton of
progress under. Him if The spurs gig came, opened or
if he thought there might be a better, fit could
you see just something bruin With Quinn snyder In, Atlanta
maybe they don't fight him if he wants to, leave
or is he gonna want to be there if they

(01:18:40):
Take Trey young trade, calls WHICH i DON'T i don't.
NECESSARILY i honestly feel like Job burant is more likely
to get moved this offseason Then Trey young at this.
Point so, Yeah i'm just that's a situation where IT'S
i Like Quinn snyder as a head. COACH i don't
hate the fit even relative to the. Personnel they've had
some just really good stretches this, year BUT i don't know,
That oh is this like is this the right fit

(01:19:00):
for both of those those?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Parties that's a fair, name that's a fair. Name where
would he be? Good? Though that's where like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
San antonio is the one where it's opticized not to come.
Back do you investigate that what he want to is?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
There Then Mitch johnson should be on the list for
so many.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Teams what ABOUT i, mean If Michael malone got fired or,
Left Quinn snyder In denver could be really, Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
That actually could be.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Fun, Yeah jokich would will play for the like the
high caliber coaches as.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
WELL i think he'll play for.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Anyone but like there has to be a certain level
of know, how a certain level of respect. THERE i,
think like you have to be really cautious with that
hire if that becomes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Available yeah for.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
SURE i mean he you ask him his, say but you.
Don't he doesn't seem like the type player who would
give his, input Right and if, ANYTHING i think we
didn't talk about this enough With Michael. MALONE i know
we mentioned it. Tangentially if you're gonna like you need
to make sure that that's not going to distan Franchise
Yo kitchen any, way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Right SO.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I actually don't subscribe to the idea that he's not like.
INVOLVED i. DON'T i don't think he's a guy who's
just like completely hands. OFF I I i do think
like they will occasionally run stuff By Jo kitchen and
he'll be, like, yeah that works for, Me gotta go
back to my, Horses like that's that's probably one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Things but it'd be crazy not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
To and, LIKE i know that people have this idea
of him that he's you, know he shies away from the,
media he's very. Passive he's like an. Introvert he's. Serpian trust,
me he's not. Introverted that is not he is not
like he will share his opinion and and that we've
heard that before as. Well SO i think getting his
input is, crucial absolutely, Crucial like you have to find

(01:20:53):
the exact right, coach you have to ask, him you
have to figure something.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Out and, yeah you absolutely do.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Not you do not Fire Michael malone without having Asked yokic.
First AND i honestly Believe yoki is gonna be, like
why why do you want to do? That and if
they come back to him with something, like, well you,
know he he and us we don't really get, along
will just like look at his stare at them going
about my, Problem, like just get Coach malone, Back that's

(01:21:22):
WHAT i. Want so if it comes down To, JOKIC
i DON'T i don't Think michaelonko's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Anywhere we said we were gonna do forty five minutes on,
this we did eighty. Plus so you're welcome Or i'm
sorry everybody more as. Usual could you just let our
fantastic subscribers know where they can find your fantastic self
and all the fantastic work that you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Do.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
WELL i write For, Yeah Who's? SPORTS i write For,
FORBES i do THE npa. PODCAST i also do Buzzer
beater At danish, podcast so that is where you can find,
me AND i link to most of. It i'm really
bad at linking to my own. Stuff i'm really horrible at.
IT i need to get it's so much, better BUT
i used to show links to stuff over On Blue,

(01:22:03):
sky where you can find me AT msj and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Big fan Of mort's, work go check him out if
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