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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome everyone, do another episode of the NBA podcast. Much
like Rich Eisen making his triumphant return to SportsCenter the
other week, I am Brian Taporik, and I am taking
back the hosting chair from my good friend Morton Jensen,
who is also here. We are back for another episode
of Shooting the Bleep. As training camps are about to
(00:39):
start around the NBA teams are having media day this week.
We are recording this in the late September, so Sixers
just had their media day today, so we got a
lot of bleep to talk about. Mort how's it going.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You have no idea how nice it is to hear
you back in like the host chair instead of like
being the guy who I just pedled questions to. I
love how we're back to this and it just feels natural,
even if it's been over a year. I love this.
Welcome back, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Thank you, thank you. Good to be back. I will
I'm gonna try to be back more this year than
I was last year when we had a newborn. My
kid is now won and fully ambulatory now, which is
a devastating development to us all. So yeah, we are
as long as he doesn't bust his head open. Anytime soon,
(01:34):
we will be back and talking more about the NBA
because more the season is right around the corner, starting
in less than a month. As I mentioned, media days
are really starting to ramp up. We've still got a
couple of restricted free agents lingering out there, and Jonathan
Kaminga and Quentin Grimes. At least as of this recording,
the deadline is October first, so presumably by the time
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you were hearing this, both of those guys' futures may
be resolved. But you want to start there. Do you
want to talk the last vestiges of restricted free agency?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah? I mean, look, even if again, remember we didn't
plan any of this, but I think that is the
right topic to go with cam Thomas because we had
four the Big four, cam Thomas picking up the qualifying offer.
I think that was the right choice for him because
they were just so far apart. Beginning to think it's
going to be the same situation for Quentin Grimes unless
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they go with a one year balloon deal because we
heard the four years, forty nine million dollar offer, which
was just laughable. I understand the idea that you can
squeeze restrictive free agents, but there's I feel as though
there's a limit because even if he hadn't shown the
on ball stuff after he joined the sixth or last season,
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he would still be worth more than forty nine over four.
So and like with the on ball juice that we've seen,
I think a contract starting in the seventeen eighty million
dollar range at the minimum would be entitled justified. Is
this just a case you think, since you're the Sixers guy,
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is this just the organization trying to squeeze or are
they basically trying to send him a little signal that
you know, buddy, if you want to be here, you're
going to come into discount.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So I actually kind of ted you up for this one.
Do me a favor and open Quentin Grimes is real
GM page.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh no, okay, And I'm.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Going to preface this by saying, so, yes, the report
was from Gina Maizela the Philadelphia Enquirer that these Sixers
are offering either a four year, thirty nine million dollar
deal telling him to take the qualifying offer, which is
eight point seven million, or would be open to him
doing the one year balloon deal on the condition that
he waves his implicit note trade clause. Let me know
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when he got It's okay, who is his agent?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
He has to David Balman and Travis King Jr.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yep, can you click on David Bauman's name.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Feeling you'd go there, Richie Bullock and gits, Richie Garrison, Matthews,
pages to Yakovich and Meda Balt. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So so not a robust list of clients of current
active NBA players.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
We would say, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
So from what I've heard, and Gina reported this earlier
today as well, the four year thirty nine million dollars
that got mentioned earlier this week was never a formal offer.
Oh no, it's it's unclear to me whether that just
means like the two sides were spitballing and like they
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threw that out as a like preliminary framework of what,
you know, the rough like ten million a year that
they were thinking. I know, Tony Jones at the Athletic
like way before, like I think before free agents even
started mentioned Quentin was looking for thirty million a year,
which you know, I think, especially after seeing Josh Getty
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settle for twenty five a year, we'll call it aspirational.
So I'm of two minds here. One maybe the Sixers
just see like, all right, you're at thirty million dollars
a year, We're going to offer you an equally ridiculous
thing on the other side, and then maybe we can
meet in the middle. Or his agent might just be
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trying to play the media game and like trying to
drum up some sympathy for his for his client, knowing
that the reaction would be. You know, my first reaction
upon seeing four years thirty nine million was like, the
Sixers are just being unserious. Of course he's not going
to take that offer, But now I'm starting to think
that that wasn't a real offer and they might be
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willing to meet more in the middle. The one thing,
I would say two things really. One, they have routinely
ducked the luxury tax in recent years. They are I
think about nine point eight million below the first apron
right now before they resign Grimes. And the bigger issue,
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they are twenty one point seven million under the second apron.
So if they gave him more than say sixteen million
as a starting salary, that would close off their ability
to spend the tax payer mid level, because that will
hardcap them, but hardcap them at the second apron so
I would imagine like that fifteen to sixteen million dollar
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year or at least starting salary. I think that's probably
the red line that they don't really want to cross
under any circumstance. They are not hard capped right now,
and frankly, there aren't any free agents left who are
worth the tax payer mid level, so they might just
not end up spending it at all. But you can
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use it as a trade exception, know in season as well,
so they at least have that option at their disposal.
But all that is to say, yeah, if four years
thirty nine is their best offer, then he should absolutely
tell them to go f themselves, take the qualifying offer
or take a balloon deal. I mean, like the qualifying
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offer is really the worst case scenario for all parties,
both for this and the cominga situation, because you lose
your bird rights if you get traded, so the team
that acquires you does not really have as much incentive
to acquire you since they won't be able to resign you,
or they'll be you know, they'll have to use an
exception or cap space to resign you, so they might
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not be able to might not be willing to give
up as much to trade for you the other you know,
the sixers of the Warriors for Kaminga, like, they presumably
want something for these guys instead of just losing them
for nothing. You know, base your compensation rules come into
play for a sign and trade about liberty bollars the
other day. But it just gets really hard to assemble
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a legal trade, especially if these guys are making fifteen, sixteen,
twenty million a year, so there's a lot working against them.
But I don't know. I mean, I feel like the
the Warriors offer for Kaminga, if they're really offering him
three year seventy five million, the first two years are guaranteed,
like that seems more reasonable to me than if this
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four year is thirty nine million for grimes is an
actual offer.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
And the balloon deal I think makes sense because that
came with the idea that he would then wave his
his no trade claws. Right, And if you do get
a balloon deal, let's say it's like what one year
twenty like you can I guess you can go that route, right,
It doesn't have to be longer than one year.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
No, I would think they would still try to keep
it under sixteen just as.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Of course to accidentally. But yeah, then even if you
say fifteen then yeah, so so the team acquiring him,
even if they don't have his bird rights anymore, you
can still extend him. What what is that one? Because
that that doesn't trigger the one forty, right, it triggers
the one twenty because he would have to he's only
got like a year with a new team. But my
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point is you can extend him to a larger number
like you want. You you're actually you actually have more
leeway that way, whereas if you go into the summer
with him on a smaller deal, you really can't do
jack shit about it unless you have cap space or.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You could extend him, right, because if it's a one
year deal.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Oh, you can only extend off of free right. Yeah.
Oh shit, Yeah, so that means that you can't even
extend him on a one year balloon deal. You can't really,
you don't retain his bird rights because if he traded
on the qualifying offer, on the qualifying offer, yeah, so
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you would have to you would have to basically resign
him for the yeah, for the one year, trade him
in the middle of because then you're not trading him
as a qualifying offer. Player, you're just trading him as
a uniform contract player. It does make things easier, but
at the same time, it's there is like a straightforward
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path for him to get his money and get his role.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, I mean, I think the straightforward path is just
the Sixers coming to offer something more in the like
non tax payer mid level range, and if he's if
he's adamant that he's not taking less than like twenty
or twenty five million, then yeah, there's not a deal
to be had here, right, And in that case, like,
I don't blame the Sixers for just yeah, like especially
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if he's in the like twenty five to thirty million
ranges he originally suggested, Like that's just not realistic for
a guy he was really good in twenty eight games
with the Sixers last year, average almost twenty two points,
five rebounds, four and half asis he barely played with Embi,
played like nine games I think with MAXI, ten games
with Paul George. Like he took advantage of of a
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situation where like all of their key guys were hurt
and he was put into a much bigger role. Then
he's gonna be asked to play either on the Sixers
this year or frankly for any like title hopeful playoff team.
I mean, he's I think he's very good, but I
don't know that he's got like all star level upside,
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which is, you know, if you're paying someone in the
twenty five to thirty million dollar range, you at least
want like high end starter production out of them. And
I'm not one hundred percent sure that he's that guy.
And even if he is, you would want him to
prove it for more than half a season on a
re building or on a team that was you know,
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terrible and injury ravaged and went straight into the lottery.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
But like, he did show a layer though, I think
that's fair to say. He did show something that none
of us really anticipated, Like the on ball Jews seemed
to be more consistent throughout the course of those twenty
eight games than we thought, because I remember when he
started putting out the big numbers, you know, a lot
of us were like, oh, that's this is depleted season
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going on right here, and then he just kept doing
it and we're all like, oh, oh, this this seems
at least to a level sustainable, And I think for
us it's just a matter of trying to figure out
how high can you actually place him on a totem
pole if you're on a competitive team. I don't know
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the nentwines to that question.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Right, Yeah, I don't either. I think you want to
figure it out before you're paying twenty twenty five million, So.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Like it could be a one year balloon deal where
you just kind of test him out.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, I mean, like the Sixers would still have his
bird rights next summer, And like, I know there are
a lot of teams projected to have cap space currently,
but you know, we I feel like we say that
every year and then we get to the summer and
it's like, oh, only two teams.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Have cap space. Yeah, Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Sure that's what his agent is telling him, and I'm
sure that's what a lot of like the twenty twenty
two draftees who don't reach extensions in the next couple weeks,
I'm sure their agents are going to say, like, look
at all these teams with cap space. But I mean
some are already signaling they're looking ahead to twenty twenty seven,
when Jokic and Yannis could potentially become free agents, and
that free agent class just has a lot more star
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power like twenty twenty six, there could be some really
good young players, especially depending on what happens with the
extension market over the next couple of weeks. But like,
you know, Luca is not going to be a free agent,
Darren Fox is not going to be a free agent,
Jaron Jackson Junior is not going to be a free agent,
like Trey Young seems like he will be or at
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least potentially, but like it's already starting to be pick clean,
so you know, maybe like teams do have to hit
the salary floor, so maybe agents were saying, like, look,
they're gonna have these teams are going to have to
spend money on someone, but they can also make trades
in the season where they're trading and expired like the
Wizards have you know, sixty five million in expiring contracts
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between Chris Middleton and CJ.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
McCollum.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Do we think that both of those guys end the
season on the Wizards or are they going to try
to use those guys as trade chips, you know, pick
up a longer term contract that's underwater and also get
additional assets, And like they might prefer that route rather
than having to overspend on a free agent next summer. Yeah,
so I'm I don't know. I mean, it's like it's
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an all time bet on yourself situation if you're Quinton Grimes,
because there's a chance that he does, especially Jared McCain
towards the UCL is going to be out at least
for the beginning of the season. You know, it's Maxie
Grimes and vj edgecumb and then Kyle Lowry and Eric Gordon,
both of whom are.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Dust So like Justin Edwards is there too, Like there
is right there, there is competition. That's That's the one
thing to me, though it's also for him to I
would understand if he takes the approach of looking at
the roster and also going, you know, I've got sixteen guys,
you know, breathing down my neck here, perhaps going into
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a situation where there aren't that many at my position
would be beneficial for me and and also the team
that I join.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's And I mean, look no further than
former sixer Nerlins Noel, who with the Mavericks turned down
or reported four years seventy million YEP ended up taking
the qualifying got Hurt had to settle for a minimum
deal with the okay see thunder the next year, then
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got a decent payday from the New York Knicks, but
still did not come anywhere close to recouping the four
year seventy million that he turned down.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right, So again to make you feel old by the way,
Oh boy, do you know the next time Nurlans Nowell
has a birthday, he's gonna be thirty two?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's it?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Okay, all right, I mean it was twenty thirteen, right.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
M hmm, yeah, I know, but like it just it
felt like yesterday, man, when we were talking about this
nineteen year old kid who could jump out the I
mean jump out the roof.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I guess forty two makes me It does certainly
date our NBA media careers in a terrible way. But
I'm still like, you know, I was writing about Eddie
Jordan Sixers, Okay, Neurlans was only like five editions of
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the Sixers ago.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
So what do we think happens with the whole crime situation?
Like no, and we're not going to point fingers if
we're wrong, Like, what's what's I'll read on this? What
do we think is going to happen?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
I'm guessing the one year balloon deal. Yeah, since it's
more advantageous for both sides, Sixers have bigger salaries to trade.
Grimes keeps his bird rights if he does get traded. Like,
the qualifying offer just makes no sense for either side.
So if they're really like, if they're saying we're about
to take this, you know, I if they're saying, we're
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either taking this or you have to give us twenty
million dollars, and the Sixers are like, no, because we
want we don't want to be that close to the
second apron, I get it. But if they're like, we
want twelve million, thirteen million, fourteen million in it just
makes sense for both sides.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, see that I agree with. I think is like
twelve thirteen million. Is that even a balloon deal in
his eyes? Though?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Probably not? But still three or four million dollars more
than you're getting paid otherwise.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. I'm just saying
like it's still below the non sacks emlie, So like
I would understand it from their perspective, going, I mean,
I'm just saying, like that's not a knife. This is
a knife, but just yeah, you know, with the balloon deal, instead.
So yeah, but I do agree with you that I
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think that is the more reasonable approach for both sides.
Like at least he gets something out of it, Yeah,
is he? Is he a six or in twelve months? Though,
That's where I'm a little less certain.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
At this point I would be surprised. Yeah, same, And
I think part of that is just they have a
lot like Axee McCain and now Edgecombe. I mean, Edgecombe
kind of probably changed how they were approaching Grimes as
a situation in general. But like you've got these, You've
got McCain and Edgecomb on cheap contracts or at least
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the next you know, three years from McCain and Edgecomb
for four Like, I think part of Grimes issue in
the Sixers issue as well, is that they've got three
giant Max contracts on their books, two of which are
given to guys who we don't know are going to
play on any given night.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So if only someone warned them, if only, if only
someone spent a couple of years on a podcast warning
them repeatedly over and over.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I mean I literally wrote a thing on Liberty Bollers
in January of twenty twenty four saying do not sign
or trade for a third Max player, Like that was
the headline, and it just laid out the case of
exactly what's happening where you You know, it's just hard
to fit into a went in Grimes level salary when
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you've got three Max dudes. But if, like if they
didn't have Paul George on their books, then you can
fit a Grimes and you could fit someone else of
Grimes's size contract in place of the Paul George contract.
This is right. This is the model that we are,
you know, now seeing kind of take off around the league,
or at least we've seen proof of concept that that
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type of model works.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
It's gonna be interesting to track. Also equally as interesting
as Andre Drummond having invested his time this summer doing
to yoga.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
That's right. He said he didn't even know it existed,
but he's he's been doing it. He says he's feeling
great because he was. I mean, he had a horrible
just like every other sixer had a horrible year with
injuries last year, and sounds like he is back. He said,
they've been playing no fouls pick up in like their
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pre training camps that they've been had.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh then he's gonna that's great for him specifically, Yeah,
you can stay on the floor.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
VJ. Edgecombe said his welcome to the NBA moment was
catching a screen from Andre Drummond.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, I believe that. I believe before for all the
flat that Drummond gets that is like that and the
rebounding is real. I mean, I still think he's grotesquely underrated.
I think people just started crapping on him far too much.
That dude knows how to set a screen and that
dude know how to change a board.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Sixers fans have been like clamoring to get rid of,
like just salary dump him, and I can't get there.
I know he was super hurt last year, but you know,
especially given the embid situation, like I can understand wanting
to see what Bona brings to the table because it
sounds like he's made a fairly big leap and they're
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very excited about him. But Bona's not playing all forty
eight minutes and otherwise you got Jenni Broom and that's it.
The Centers.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, sometimes, and I know people like the new stuff.
I'm I'm also very guilty of this. You know me,
You've done leap past rankings with me for years, and
I always bring up the new players, the new teams,
the young teams up top. Sometimes there's something to be
said about the veterans just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Sure, Yeah, all right, do you want to go to Kaminga?
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Now? I don't want to talk about Kaminga because again,
I this is just you know, shooting the bleep. I
want to go in a different direction. Yeah. I think
we've talked about this before on this show, at least,
I'm pretty sure with stan fa Valley I talked to
about it. But like, the Suns seem to be just
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one team full of shooting guards, which is not dissimilar
to the Sixers. Like, and it's something It leads me
to paths or two thoughts rather one, how the hell
is this going to work? Secondly, this league, in my eyes,
is in such a drastic need of more real, actual
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point guards because we haven't seen them in the draft
for a while. We haven't seen a whole lot of
a lot of them come in. It seems like the
league has pivoted more towards these combo guards, big guards whatever.
And then after they've been in the league a couple
of years, you're kind of realizing, oh, no, it's silly us.
You're not a one, you're a two, and then that
whole thing starts over again. Like you're looking at Devin Booker,
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Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, Grace and Allen Royce O'Neil. All
these guys are gonna have to play out of position,
Like book is gonna have to play a lot at one. Uh,
you know, Brooks a lot of three. He's done that before,
and I do think he's better at the three. But
Steven so Russe O'Neil, who's six', four has played you,
know the, three the. FOUR i still think he's much,
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better you, know at his, size at that off guard.
Position you're just looking at it and you're just kind of,
wondering how do they find a rhythm to this? Thing
like even if you stagger the everlasting hell out of
each of these guys at the. TWO i just have
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so many.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Questions, brian are you saying you don't have faith In
Jordan goodwin as their starting point?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
GUARD I i actually Like Jordan goodwin in terms of,
yeah in terms of trusting his starting. Capabilities you, know
there's a reason we, say, oh you're the starting point
guard to start the, year like we lost pretty, quickly
but like it's it's where are the point guards? At
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like for, REAL i like it's it's not even a.
Question i'm trying to ask in a sarcastic, way Like.
Montayt morris just went off the market a few days. Ago,
well when you listen to this episode is going to
be a week and a half, ago because we're going
to publish this right at the start Of. October but
didn't he go To?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
INDIANA i actually think. So it was reported that he
was going To, Indiana but then who At Tony EAST i,
believe said he's actually still injured and they're not signing
him and they are Signing Dylon wright.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Instead, well, okay, see thank you for the correction me
being Off twitter SOMETIMES i do miss.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
That to be, CLEAR i am not On twitter. Either
that was a straight From Blue sky.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Thing oh it. Was i'm even even more. Embarrassed, No
but my point here, BEING i do think that we
are beginning to see teams lean into like the positional
fluidity stuff to a point Where i'm getting a little
bit nervous about like just the playmaking the leadership capabilities
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that you do get all of certain point. GUARDS i
understand you want big, Guards LIKE i get, It like
who doesn't want a big? Guard BUT i don't think
there's a substitute for someone who knows how to run the, Show, like,
yeah do you want to Put Jalen green at the
point at some position at some point just because you're, like,
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oh he's six,' four that would be a big. Point
guard who can't, blame ake who doesn't who doesn't know
how to get all the soldiers going in the, Right
way and like that's not a criticism for him because
that was never his. Job Description so I'm not i'm
not sitting Here Trashing jalen green because he was never
he was never. That player, BUT like i find it
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unreasonable on both of Behalf Of jalen green if they
do decide to play. That CARD and i think it's
it's one of those situations around the league where the
value of a point guard has diminished to such a
WAY where i think in a couple of years we're
probably gonna see a little bit of a resurgence where
remember when we went away with the big men all
like small ball, small ball and all of, a sudden like,
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OH wait cisu. Is, good great. IT'S back cisu is
back in a couple. OF years i think we're gonna
have the same, hole spiel just with.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Point, guards, YEAH well i think it actually raises a interesting,
larger question which we can get to in. A minute
but For the, SUN specifically, i mean first we need
to figure out who is there Starting, Five Booker, Jalen
Green MARK williams i assume is going to be, In
There dylan brooks, presumably yeah AND then i would imagine
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that it's Gonna be royce O'Neill over Grace.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
And allen, so yeah probably unless they see something Dope From,
RYAN donne, i.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Think, yeah yeah who was. Very, good yeah in limited
minutes last year both him And OH so i thought were, actually.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah oh so too, SO too, i like oh so.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Smart, Player yeah like they were briefly Frisky After bradley
beal got hurt last year and they started leaning on those.
Two rookies it was like the MOST energy i Saw
the sun's play, with it but like at that point
their season was. Still sunk, SO like i actually do
think they have something with. Those two, BUT yeah i
mean to your, overall, POINT yes i think like teams
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have taken the lack of positional rigidity perhaps to an
extreme where we're going to start to see some. Diminishing
RETURNS and i think that you can kind of tie
That to houston in a. Different way not that they
chose to, do this But the Fred van vliet injury
with him now out for most if, not all of,
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the season is going to put them in somewhat of
a similar bind because THEY don't, i mean They Have,
aaron holliday but like they don't really have another traditional
point guard Other Than.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Van, vliet no they're probably going To Put reach shepard
into that role, a, Bunch right, And look i'm not
going to see and say the reed can't be a.
Pure one like he was cast as an off guard
Next To. Rob dillingham that, was fine that. Worked out
he had great defensive matrix also as like a point
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of attack defender last year just got tricked around a.
Whole Bunch so i'm not ready to see her and
say that we can't be a more. Traditional ONE but
i certainly agree that we haven't, seen it both at
the delegate level OR.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
The, Nba yeah and, i Mean like i'm sure You
know durant has. Playmaking chops I'm and, Thompson obviously, Shangun
OBVIOUSLY so i think it's gonna be like kind of
a by, committee, thing right which is ALSO how I imagine.
Phoenix GOING and, i mean, we saw, you Know. The
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nuggets you wouldn't Really Call jamal murray a traditional. Point
guard he's more of a como who just, plays point But,
like jogic obviously controls the offense most of. The time
we saw that model win. A, Championship granted yokich is
the best big man PASSER in, nba history so that's
not really a model you. Can REPLICATE but i think
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it is interesting as like teams kind of juggle the,
you know we've seen the multiple playmaker model Work, in
indiana In particular Dallas with Luca, And kyrie whereas even
a couple of, years, ago like wasn't That the king's
big fear About drafting luca is that they didn't want
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him to overlap With The. Aaron fox so, it's like
it's funny how QUICKLY the, nba changes where now teams
are like actively courting we want multiple guys who can
operate both on and off. The Ball, but yeah it's
like there are some teams that are doing it with
multiple point guards or multiple guys who you would just
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ascribe to. That role and then there are some teams
Like now houston with the famileet injury And the suns
just because as their, roster construction where, it's, like well
we don't really have a, good, option right so we're
just gonna trust all of you to figure it out on.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
The. Fly Yeah the, jazz, too right because we're Never,
like Yeah Even keyance george when he came into, the
league he came in as, a two and they've tried
to build him up as a one over the past.
FEW years, i Say a COLLIER although i, like him,
you know he had some real he showed some real
passion chops during his rookie season, last year but offensively
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he was still, so raw and YOU just i don't
think you can justify anymore having a guy who's like,
past first. Past second but it's an inefficient scorer who
was an inefficient like, self creator AND so i. Understand
WHY oh i Forgot About. Walter clayton they did get,
him in so that's fair Apologies To. Walter clayton like
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they actually do have a real point. Guard there BUT
so i understand that the job description of a point
guard now isn't just to, you know be all traditional and,
Hey guys i'm just gonna pass the ball to you
seventy times a game And then i'll take. TWO shots
i understand it's different, than that but it just seems like,
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this is for a lack of a, better wording it
seems like the league is now being loaded up by
a Lot Of. Rutney stuckies if, you can, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Like Where Is rodney stucky? Catches straight he.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Was good it, was good but like, you know he
was remember when he was built, as, this like oh
he's a real six or five, point guard and like
when it really came down, to it the fuck. He,
was no.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
He was.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
It was just like it was all smoking me was
like he, was good but it was all Like the pistons,
really tried like that meme with, the magician like and
with the cape and, the hat just going look, at
this well you didn't really, do anything and then they
just walked away like IT'S just i just miss someone.
IN charge, i.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Guess yeah and you just You Want chris paul on.
Every Team Prime, CHRIS paul i, Mean.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
That okay you can't tell me that wouldn't make the league, even,
Better Right, LIKE god, i.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Mean look i've had To watch sixers guards complete inability
to make an entry Pass to juana med for the last,
few years so you, BELIEVE me i certainly would, appreciate
legitimate more legitimate point guard play AROUND. THE nba i,
get like what do you think led? To that like
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why aren't we producing point guards the way that we?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Used To so i've actually given this a little bit
of THOUGHT because i Remember when so this is a
little bit of, a backstory but when we start talking about,
positionless basketball people, feel though, you know that's that's something.
That's RECENT but i remember on my HONEYMOON that i
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was being called Up in italy By a danish radio
station asking me about this this concept of, you know.
Positionless basketball that was almost nine. Years, ago, so like
this concept of positionless ball and you can find playmaking at,
every position we're approaching a decade, of that AND so
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i think the league has basically just embraced it to
such a point where if you don't have the capability
of playing, multiple positions you have to be almost outrageously
good to justify yourself at a certain that like at that,
one position WHICH which i think is fair because that
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just makes the. GAME better i think if you if
you're demand for every player's skill level to be, that
high like that automatically makes it a more. Entertaining product
but the league has then re, Prioritized sized they have
reprioritized some of the more traditional means, as well and
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lost in that shuffle has been, you know the more
prototypical six to two point guard because everyone's like six,
to two you're gonna get absolutely abused in. The, post,
okay yeah but you're not finding, six four six y
five guard guys who have like elite, court visions who've
had the ball in their hands all up through like,
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you know from junior high and all up. Through, college
like you're not finding. Those guys so you, know who
show me players who are now, six four six five,
sixty six who've had the ball in their hands over
the past ten years of their lives in their basketball
and WHO are nba ready to make those entry passes
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as you, Talked to and that number is not a.
Big ONE so nba teams are kind of making do
by prioritizing that size, and, saying well. You'll LEARN and
i think that's a pretty bold assumption that a lot
of teams are inaccurately just putting on, a player because
that just that doesn't. Just come that isn't something that
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automatically just triggers in a player if he's played a year,
or two like you have to develop that court vision
at a. Young AGE like i genuinely believe that if
you put, you know if you if YOU'RE an nba
team and you find a guy who just knows how to,
make plays who knows how to run, the show just
who also knows how to be aggressive in, taking shots
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like so he isn't a complete. Zero offensively and even
if the guy is six, to one even if the
guy is six, to two and that's, you know at,
that size if you give them, a chance just start
them out as backup, point guards you learn pretty quickly
when they enter the game, that oh this little captain knows.
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This stuff this little dude will, run around call out
plays when he's. Off ball he'll. Never. Stop yeah and
because that's how point guards, are raised they are taught.
To communicate have you heard HOW quiet nba players, have
become especially the, younger ones like the, the wings the.
Big guards they're standing there and they're looking and their mouths.
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Are Closed so i'm just waiting for that. Counter.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Reaction, Yeah yeah it'll be interesting to, see, if like
as teams go more in, this direction if they start
to see some consequences of that where they just can't
get into the actions that they want to because they
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don't have the high.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Level playmaker if they start to prioritize that position more
in the draft and developing those types of skills within their,
own players, and like, YOU know i think players are
just young players are just trying TO emulate, nba players
and like college coaches are just trying to keep coach,
up guys and like here's what's going to get. You drafted.
(38:13):
You know at like the THREE and d thing became
such a wave that everyone wanted to become a THREE and.
D player, so YEAH like i would think versatility in
general just seems to be the biggest selling point, these
days like that you want someone that can, do everything
but maybe it would be helpful to have a few
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more like playmaking specialists who are just, you know. Great
Passers low turner. Of guys, YOU know i think the
concern with those types, of players especially if they're on the,
smaller end is whether they're defensive targets once you get to,
the playoffs which IS why i think we see we've
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seen some teams experiment with This Like, Jumbo, Playmaker, Mold
Yeah josh giddy In Particular, ben simmons like those types
Of guys LaMelo even but certainly mixed results there to say.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
The, Least YEAH and i see THAT'S where i think
teams are so, scared of like having one week defensive
link sometimes that THEY and i find a little preposterous
at times because it's it's almost they go this whole, route,
where oh we can't have a week. Link whatsoever but
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that's always from the, defensive perspective like you have a
week link offensively if you don't have anyone on the
floor who run, the show like so. So like at
some point you also have to acknowledge the fact oftense,
wins games scoring it more than your opponent is a part.
Of this and by, THE way i will say this
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because my SON and i Were in spain a couple
of times this summer to look at academies AND so
i got an opportunity to speak a Lot with spanish coaches,
over THERE and I was i was talking to one
of them about this, specific element, you know the missing
point guard so, to speak and he was almost like
licking in his jobs because he, was, like yeah, we
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know like we're that we always make an emphasis on
every type of player with that we have here to
teach them how, to pass teach them how, to, playmate
like teach them to, become, initiators creators even if they're,
you know on the, bigger side because we just don't
want to have any one of them just standing around.
Doing nothing and we've already seen Like the european explosion
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in terms of star talent Like, Wemb Luka, janis jokic,
THOSE guys i wouldn't. Be shocked and if in a
couple of years we're going to see a similar thing
just with, point guards where suddenly the league will have
a new point, guard era but it will be very
very heavy on international flavor as opposed TO the.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
US flavor, MM yeah i could absolutely, see that. Wouldn't
shot they'll they'll what they're DOING the us versus world
At The All, star game and it's LIKE sixteen us
players versus eight. World players they're doing. THREE teams i
think in like five years we're gonna HAVE one us
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team and. TWO teams, i mean.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
We'll see it's just it's it's interesting, to ME and
i just Hope that american youth coaches are like following
the development, and going oh, oh yeah like we need
to have guys who can actually initiate stuff and call,
out actions who can demand. The ball, YOU know i it,
sounds RIDICULOUS but i kind of missed Like The stefan.
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MARBURY player i know he was inefficient, as hell but
like someone who just had the ball in his hands
kind of. Demanded attention even he wasn't a, great shooter
someone who knew how to get into, his sets who
knew how to drop the ball off at the, Right
time like he was an all star here. And there
he wasn't some, you KNOW fantastic mvp. Caliber player, and
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yeah his defense were shoddy and there were a lot,
of issues but you damn well knew if he got into,
the paint he, could finish he could drop, it off
he could get you into like a, floater thing like
he could kill you in so many Ways and i'm
just looking around the league in terms of young. Point
guards so there's still Like The, Aaron Fox luca tree young.
Those guys it's it's the generation after those Guys where,
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i'm like where are?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
You guys, like right, totally yeah. All right have you
talked About the kawhi aspiration stuff?
Speaker 2 (42:33):
On? Here, UH well i did Something with Dan And.
Grant hughes that's. Been that that's it's in. The feed
but that should not keep you from sharing.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Your, Thoughts okay so Let's assume pablo is what we
know is what, we know and we're not going to
get any other revelations at, this, Point right so, you
know he has the twenty eight million, dollar deal the
extra twenty million stock on, the side doesn't actually have to,
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do anything has never endorse. The company balmer and one
of his co owners have invested hundreds of million at
least one hundred million dollars in the company at. This
point the dates line up somewhat suspiciously with regard To
when kawhi is gonna get paid based on his quarterly.
Payment schedule but there is, no like we don't have
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Anything Like joe smith where it is, IN Writing I,
steve baumer am going to pay you aspiration fifty million
dollars and you will reroute This to kawhi letter to
Circumvent the. Sudar cap what do, You Think, Adam, silver
like can he just Let the clippers get off scott?
(43:51):
Free here do you think he has to punish them
just To avoid like if he doesn't, punish them every
other team is going to. DO this i think he, has, to,
so like what do you think is a fair punishment?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
For them that's that's, the question right because if you go,
too harsh then it becomes a question of how to. Phrase,
this like at the end of, the day if you
circumvent the, salary cap you circumvent the. Salary cap if
that's by twenty eight million or, eleven million that's still salary.
(44:28):
Cap circumvention so if you if you go down this
rabbit hole and you find out that twenty teams have, done,
this well you can't go around and take draft picks from.
Twenty teams you. Literally can now the entire draft would
just BE f't i have no idea how you'd be
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able to even have a draft event at that point,
in time AND the nppa would would have, a fit rightfully.
So so but at the, same time if you make,
financial punishments the rich teams are just gonna sit there, and,
say oh how will we endure while they wipe their
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eyes with one hundred, dollar bills because why would they care?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
About, That right LIKE, the cba the, absolute most even
in the most severe case, of circumvention at least according TO,
the cba they can find him seven point five Million
Dollars steve baumer According to forbes. IS worth i believe
one hundred and fifty six.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Billion Dollars steve balmer has more than seven point eight
million dollars in his butt crack.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Right exactly he does not care at all about. The
vine it's a lot of money we go and you
know a lot of it will go, to charity which, is,
like sure, find him and so we can at least
redirect the money to. Something useful but the fine will
not prevent them from doing anything in. THE FUTURE i i.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Sort of have an IDEA that i discussed With a
danish body On the, danish podcast something along the lines
where you are basically not allowed to cross into the tax,
for example for x amount, of years perhaps, two years
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because and, and like if you are scheduled to be
an over the, tax team then you better get start
started real quick to.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Vent moves start start doing What the celtics.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Just did, and yeah like and, then there's of course
there's a, Deadline date like the league can't go, and say,
well tomorrow and then you have to watch there's a.
Deadline date and then if, you don't if you don't
make that date and you still are an expected, tax
team you can get, you know, of course and that's
on top of obviously the seven point five. Million dollars
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but then the league has to get creative in. SOME
ways i and then then there has to be a
big ass consequence to you not making that, you know
under the. Tax thing and and it's it's tough because
then the league also kind of says to, a, team
yeah you're not going to, be competitive but the league
wants every team to. Be competitive so, IT'S like i
feel like the league's own aspiration level in how they
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want seems to operate has unintentionally painted themselves into a
corner in.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
This case what was that a pun intended with? Aspiration there.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
It, actually wasn't, but like, BUT seriously i just that
is the toughest, Thing RIGHT whereas i Do Respect david
stern for just basically, saying no, If this i'm going
to punish the ever lasting something out of you because
this is not COOL and i don't want this to
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be set of precedence, For anything whereas silver is a
little bit, more careful and the pr optics nowadays seems
to be more prevalent. Than ever by, the, way, side
note why is it that during the last like, twenty
years the public have and not JUST, the npa public
like people worldwide has basically asked corporations and governments and
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public figures to be far more transparent because that's what.
We crave we actually wanted a divorce from all that
pr bullshit that we were. Used to and now in
present day twenty, twenty five it's probably worse. Than ever
everything is, so polished everything is so, pr spun and it's.
So OBVIOUS and i don't do big corporations and governments
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just think we're. All idiots. THE answry, i, know, yeah, yes, right,
yes okay, all right, fair enough, but, like yeah you
need to do something that sets a type of. STATEMENT
here i think it has to be related to something
in terms of your. Roster, construction yeah but the problem
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is THAT the nba. Wants parody every one should have
a fair you. Know something what happens if twenty teams
get spiagure it? Out? Here?
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Right WELL the i mean the other problem, IS that,
i mean so according TO, the, cba again like the
worst case, of circumvention where it is found between directly
between team, and player they can strip multiple. Draft PICKS
the nba strip five From the timberwolves And The joe,
smith thing although they eventually gave a. Couple back the
(49:24):
seven point five million, dollar Fine Suspend, steve Balmer Suspend
lawrence franks to spend The whole clippers front office for,
a year and they Can avoid. Kawhi's, contract correct that's the.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Big one.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
But the clippers are very intentionally setting. THEMSELVES up, i mean,
you know they Sign bog, Don Mcdonovich, Broke Lopez nick batoom,
this summer all of whom signed two year deals with
second year. Team Options, james harten as under contract for
thirty nine point two million, this year has a forty
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two point three million dollar player option in twenty six to. Twenty,
seven kawhi as of now under contract through twenty six to.
Twenty seven they are set to basically have a completely
blank slate in twenty twenty seven Other than zubach who
assigned for twenty, one million and then a few of.
Their rookies so if They void, KAWHI'S contract, I mean
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i saw the idea that they void it but leave
the cap hit On the, clippers BOOKS which i think
would actually be a fairly harsh punishment because if they
avoid it and the cap hit, goes away then all
of a sudden, next Offseason the clippers decline the Options, On, Bogdanovich,
lopez batum you know THEY'VE got I Think chris dunn is.
(50:46):
Non Guaranteed bradley beal has a five point six million dollar,
Player option harden has his. Player option like those guys
could decline their options And the clippers suddenly have one
hundred plus million in.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Cap.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Space, yeah again not.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
To mention they would actually get the luxury tax payout
if they If the kawhi's cap hoole, were removed so
you would effectively reward, them financially, That's, right yeah they.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
WOULD be i think it was like ten million dollars
under somewhere. Around there if you take his capit completely
off under the cap not even. The, tacks yeah, SO
yeah I mean i think like if they go down
the route Of avoiding kawai's, contract hit the cap hit
has to stay on the books through twenty, twenty six.
Twenty seven, but still Like the clippers are clearly angling
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for twenty twenty seven at the latest BECAUSE they thoughtwhi
was gonna be under contract for. That LONG so i
feel like, THE punishment i don't know what you, Can
do LIKE the cba doesn't really spell it out if
you can, do anything, you know years in. The future
it says you can like try to recoup the money
that he got that he like circumvented the, Cap FOUR so,
(52:02):
i like can you apply that forty eight million to
their cap sheet in twenty seven to?
Speaker 2 (52:07):
Twenty, eight oh that'd. Be, Fun okay SO now i
know where. You're going you want to mess up their
twenty twenty, seven, Plans, right ah. THAT'S devious i.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
LOVE it i mean that that seems like, the only
yeah way to deter. Other Teams like i'm just thinking
about this from a league. Wide, perspective, again like even
if You avoid, KAWAI'S contract i mean that that would
be a, big punishment don't get, Me wrong and like
that was.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
A custom made. PUNISHMENT too i, like that LIKE because
i think you're onto something. Special here instead of doing
like a one size, fits all you're, basically, saying hey you,
know what let each, punishment again assuming there's a handful
of teams that, done this let's go in really analyze,
the situation and let's figure out a way to block
(52:56):
the f out of them for what they want, the.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Most inflict, maximal pain because that's the only way you're
gonna stop this crap. From, happening, yeah. Yeah everywhere LIKE if,
i mean even if they void his contract and they
effectively punt the next year or the next, two Years
if harden picks up his option and they pick up
all their team, options whatever like they're still going to
(53:19):
twenty twenty seven exactly how they. Did before maybe they're
down a couple of, draft picks but like free agents aren't, don't, Care,
RIGHT like i, YOU know i doubt that free agents
max re agent twenty twenty seven, is like, oh no
you don't have your twenty thirty one first. Rub, pick no,
BUT no i can't sign, With you like. THEY know,
i Mean the clippers have already traded away their RIGHTS
to i believe at least through the twenty twenty nine,
(53:41):
THEY oh i believe fully unprotected in twenty six, twenty
eight and then picksops in twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
Twenty, nine yeah they're none to, Give, right.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
So like, you KNOW the nba can strip some way in,
the future they can strip the swaps that they get
in twenty seven to twenty, nine whatever, but, LIKE yeah
i think doing something to affect their pans in twenty
twenty seven would be the way to really send a
message to the rest of.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
The league like.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
This love this is like we are not messing Around
with like we know you guys. Are tampering we know
there are rules. Against it we stripped the second round
pick occasionally if we feel frisky because we hate a
couple teams where it's really obvious that you're. Doing it
but if you are paying someone fifty million dollars under,
the table we are going to basically give your organization the.
(54:28):
Death penalty this.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Is like mom Changing The wi fi password Before.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
You, yeah yeah it's not just parental controls On your, Nintendo, switch,
like oh your hour of screen time is up now, it's, like,
no No your nintendo switch is going in the garage for.
Speaker 2 (54:45):
Three weeks, oh yeah. BIG time i. LIKE that i
like the, individual punishments like THE the nppa would sue
the league and So.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Blame oh yeah, Yeah yeah like this is all. Very
hypothetical this will never, actually happened, because YES the nbpa
will lose, its mind but.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Like EVEN the nppa also has to be aware that
this is a bad look for the league at large
and could, lose viewership could, lose interest and that means
potentially a loss of future income. And revenue so like
the union itself should be interested in not having these,
(55:25):
you know backdoor.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Arrangements anyway, YEAH yeah, i mean what do you Think
Of mark cuban like Coming to bomber's defense to the
extent that, he.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Has oh a billionaire coming to another, billionaire's defense calling,
me shocked but like?
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Is it uh the lady doth protest? Too much type
of situation where, it's Like now, i'm suspicious like did
you have something going On with Luca? With dirk like why?
ARE we, i mean why are we?
Speaker 2 (55:57):
This, Adamant Okay so i'm not the only one who
has had. THAT thought I can i can tell because
remember how Much money dirk consistently left on, the table
like even when he was just out of. His prime,
mm hm he left some wild numbers on. The table,
(56:18):
AND look I. LOVE dirk i think he is like
the salt of the earth type. OF guy i know
a couple of people who know him privately, as WELL
and i KEEP everything i hear is that he's just
an acest type. Of Dude so I'm not i'm not
sitting here throwing something at HIM because i don't think.
(56:39):
That's fair, but like it was only Inspired, By cuban
it wasn't Inspired. By dirk it was. Like hmmmm and
then you kind of went back because you were trying
to think of a scenario like where could he have?
Done Something because luka got the max, straight up, you know.
Straight away Where has, Oh yeah dirk gave up like
(56:59):
a hundred fifty million Like, you oh that's all there,
we go that. Makes sense, IT'S LOOK i i don't
know the answer. To that i'm not even gonna guess
guess on It Because mark cuban probably will send us
a LETTER and i don't want a Letter From. MARK cuban.
(57:20):
I Don't so i'm not gonna sit here and say
that he, did anything but let's just. Say. It also
it's something that also caught. My, intention yes is that
the is that the political correct way of saying things
right now is That the polish PR way i.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
Was about, to say you right after you criticize Companies,
for okay my last question on the, second thing ASSUMING
the nba does not like screw Up the clippers twenty twenty,
seven player let's say they dock him like a couple first,
round picks don't Even avoid. Kawai's, contracts yeah is there
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something else that they can do to prevent this situation?
MOVING forward, i like other than issuing basically a death
penalty level punishment to. THE team.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I see this is where it gets, tough BECAUSE, like
i my first reaction would be to say that every
single uh, you know contracted players sign outside OF like,
nba contracts like, you know commercially, pr contracts whatever, it is,
sponsorship deals that the league has a right to read
(58:38):
through them and to understand their language and to go
through the companies that they. Signed with, but AGAIN the
nppa would have a fit because that is not within YOUR.
Purview npa those are. Private contracts those are contracts made independently,
(58:58):
from you and these are players who SIGNED with i, Don't, Know, gatorade,
nike whatever what. Have you so what the league even
has solid ground to go in and look at? THOSE
deals i don't. Think so but is it SOMETHING that
i would like to see perhaps negotiated into THE. Next,
(59:19):
CPA yeah i DON'T think i would mind that if
like that's something that you could get on, board with
where perhaps there's a third entity involved that takes care.
Of that so we just know everything is on the up,
and up because here's my big concern if suddenly the
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masks come off and we realize that half the league
is basically circummending the salary cap to extends that are just,
blatantly ridiculous to a point where, you know you can
almost make, the, argument oh the league, is fixed, like
right just, you know these big market teams are, you
know destined to go to those finals because they SECURED
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a B and c player by, paying them, you know
a combined one hundred Million dollars behind, the scenes that
would lose a tremendous amount of. Fan interest the league's
what what's The word i'm. Looking, For oh i'm planking
on the. Word credibility there. We go the league's credibility
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would go through, the floor and that would also affect
us that WoT that would affect everyone working in and
AROUND the nba again, Like US so i have every
interest in the league actually presenting a product that's on
the up, and UP because i think that is how
you maintain. FAN interest i think that's how you maintain a.
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FAN base i think that's how you. Optimize interest this
would be nothing short of maybe the biggest scandals sins
what maybe?
Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Maybe, EVER yeah, i Mean like donah's the only, other
one right and in conversation at, this point right, And
okay i'm gonna say what we know so far is he?
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Acted alone? You? Know? Right, right yeah it's just let
me Note that i'm not. Buying, that sure but you
can't have something like that which would just routinely drain
the credibility of. The league because if this, came out
that's that's not gone in. Twelve months that's not gone in,
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twenty four forty six or forty. Eight months that's something
you talk about for ten, damn years and like even
twenty twenty five thirty years down. The line that's a
reference remember when the league. Did this it's it's such
a KILLER that i hope it's a. HARSH punishment i
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hope it's Something Where commissioner silver, goes out takes on
his big, point Pants Asks steve balmer to take down
his and say, come sixteen and he's, gonna say this
is not gonna hurt me more than it's gonna. Hurt, You.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Well i'm glad you brought up the idea of like
a third, party commission because that's that's where my head.
GOES too, i MEAN the ncaa just went through something
like this where now, you know they they opened the
nil floodgates a couple of. Years ago guys were, you
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know it immediately became basically what's happening where, you know
sponsors pay way above market offers for guys to either
do nothing or like sign a couple of autographs and they,
get like, you, know three four or five million dollars. For,
it so as part of the settlement earlier this year
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that allows schools to pay, students directly they opened up
a third party clearinghouse where every nil deal above six
hundred dollars has to go, through it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Which is basically, everyone, Right right.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
So and this exists basically to make sure that these
deals are, above board and then it does not boosters
paying players under the table because, you know now schools
do have a salary cap that they it's different, in that,
you know it's like twenty point five million dollars and
you need to distribute it across, all, Sports right so
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there's already some inequity there, for like, you know schools
with big football teams are going to spend the majority
of their money, on football but schools that don't have
big football teams or like have, you KNOW like i Went,
to georgetown we have a terrible. FOOTBALL team i sincerely
hope that we are not spending twenty point five million
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dollars on our. Football team It's The. BIG east a
lot of those schools are going to spend more money
on basket ball than they. Own, football so like there
is some inequity there that will not exist in The,
WATER polo, i, guess yeah we. Have soccer we were good,
AT lacrosse. I, believe yeah just every every, you know
token rich white kids sport.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Was about THAT'S why i was thinking something along, those lines.
Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
But so that LIKE the nba won't have that to.
Contend WITH but i do, agree that, you know because,
right now apparently it is legal under the terms of
the CURRENT c ba for a team to introduce a
player to one of. Its sponsors and, you know. We
could we all can think back to LIKE the hb
commercials With, The spurs like hib was a sponsor Of,
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the spurs the players participated. In commercials i'm sure they
got paid handsomely, for it but at least THE hilarious i,
love them and you, know, what like at least they
did something for. The company so.
Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
A, chicken, LOOK yes y give it, to me all?
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Of, it, Yeah YEAH like i don't know what the
right answer, is here but it does feel like this
in particular has Opened a pandora's box that the league
was hoping never, opened up or at least never opened.
Up publicly AND now, I think i, DON'T know i.
Don't know to, your point like it's not necessarily about
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can you find the, Smoking gun, it's like can your
league have credibility moving forward if you don't punish, This
team because if they don't punish, this team it will,
you know it will be an open secret just as
much as it is, with tampering that every other team
is doing this to. This extent and, LIKE now i
mean now that if they don't, get punished If the
clippers don't, get punished now teams have. A playbook, just
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invest like, you know set up an Endorsement with google
and pay invest fifty million Dollars. In google like the
only reason this became public Was because aspiration. Went bankrupt
if these companies never, go bankrupt it's never going to. Become.
Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Public, YEP no i mean it's and and that's the, scary,
Part right and THAT'S where i think us mere mortals
can also be so, frustrated at like the the back
door maneuvering by billionaires. And millionaires how it all just
bleeds together, Like that how all the power just transfers
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and it's. Just ikey that's the BEST word i could
come up with with. All.
Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
This well on a, Related Note josh harris appeared In
the epstein.
Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Files today, really, wow, okay ye that is not a
file you want to be a.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Part, of, no, no no. No no to, BE clear
i don't think he is actually a secret pedophile Like His,
leon black who did have deep Ties To jeffrey epstein
was the co Founder Of Apollo, global management which Is
What josh harris is also a co. Founder of so
they were business partners for a, long time and like
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as Soon As leon black's name, showed up.
Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
It was only A, matt like, oh okay it was
only a.
Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Matter, of Time Like josh harris was going to be in.
Those files but today we got confirmation.
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Of it but that still. Sucks, though yeah even if
you're just like with the, best intentions you're never done,
anything wrong and then just by, sher association you're in,
those files you're just kind of like targeted and like,
for life, you're, Like oh i'm on. That, list Yeah
that's i'm going to have to take that to. My
grave EVEN though i like didn't, DO anything.
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I believe the uh his name. Pops Up so, december fifth,
twenty FOURTEEN a tbd tenantive breakfast Party With. Bill gates
Parentheses Invited ron Baron And, josh harris awaiting reply, Following day,
december sixth. Twenty Fourteen Reminder elon Musk To island, December,
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sixth parentheses is this? Still?
Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Happening, oh well the world. IS aft i am glad
that we can shoot the bleep about, this Stuff, because
god we. Need, IT brian.
Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
I thought that would be a great uplifting note to.
Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
END on i think. It was it was.
Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Speaking of teams that need to be punished and Once
Once adam silver finishes the investigation, into aspiration we can
we can turn our attention, to Uh mister harris And.
Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
The, Sixers, well brian it's it's about that time where
you actually take us home for the first time in
gosh a year and a.
Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Half almost let's do it. Well more you thank you
again for having. Me on let me take the sticks
back for a, bit today and thank all of you.
For listening hope you enjoyed another episode of us shooting.
The bleep it might be more structured soon once we
have actual basketball, to discuss but. Probably not we'll probably
just keep, screw that keep talking, about whatever whatever we
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find interesting AROUND, the nba and.
Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
That is literally. The, format, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
And frankly there's a lot to talk about. Right Now
so mort thank you Again and i'll catch. You soon
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