October 14, 2025 • 59 mins
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coming up for you here. Okay, we have Melinda Choma.
Now I met Melinda Choma through her sister, Samantha Spiegel.
We interviewed Samantha Spiegel quite a bit a while ago,
close to a year. We're getting on with Samantha Spegelan.
You might recall her. It's up in the members section
that interview. Samantha Spiegel was the woman who, as a
child was a student in a school and John Mark
(01:45):
Carr was her student teacher's aide in this school. And
you might recall that John Mark Carr is the guy
who uh confessed to murdering John Benet Ramsey. Can really
the whole bizarre, strange story. It takes hours, and I
wants to get into well. Melinda Trauma is the sister
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of Samantha speak and she has her own story which
we're going to be getting into here in great detail.
And then it's this is what a story we have
Melinda Chrump, Melinda, are you there?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Event?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Pretty good?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay? Tell us about yourself? Who is Melinda Chouma? If
I was? If I meet you like a we're right
in front of our kids' school, I say, hey, how
are you? I'm an operamantor and you say I'm Melinda Chouman.
Tell me about yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, that's a okay, that's that's a loaded question. So
I would probably just say, you know, I'm a.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Mother, I enjoy working, I I'm in the middle of
hopefully trying to get a book done, and that I'm
a little weird. So there I am.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And Melinda is a very beautiful woman too, and you
should see her pictures, very gorgeous. And her sister too,
Samantha speak also another beautiful woman. So I get to
talk to a beautiful girlfriend for an hour here. I
can't complain, right, Okay, Now, I guess what brings us
to the show is that you had an unusual childhood?
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Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I did, yes, very much?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So well gives because you don't do a lot of interviews.
You don't do you're not interviewed all the time, so
give us an idea. But you're you're writing in the
midst of writing a book about your experiences as a childhood,
growing up in a very unusual circumstances. So give us
an idea. What happened in your childhood?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Okay, it's pretty complicated. Uh, just kind of how I
even got to where I was at. So I am adopted.
That's kind of the whole start of it, of course,
and without kind of giving too much away. Samantha also
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is adopted. We have another sister whose name is also Samantha.
She however, prefers to stay a little bit more out
of the way, and a mother birth mother as a prostitute,
and she's deceased, and she adopted all three of us
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out and found my dad, my adoptive dad. From what
I've collected from my adoption that we've had to put
a lot of pieces together because there's lot of holes
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in it. And in the process of discovering who I am,
I did find my biological father a couple of years ago,
and I found out that there was cash exchanged in
my adoption. And so my adoptive dad was a big
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tem con artist, ran fake businesses, you know, collecting people's
money as you know, quote investments and you know, bankruptcy,
couldn't give people their money back when really there was
kind of most of the time no physical business going on.
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And I have a brother who was also adopted, and
he and I, at the hands of my father, experienced
very severe traumatic abuse. I mean, I can get into
that a little bit, a little that's kind of the
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gist of how I came to be where I'm at today.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Let's get a little bit more background first. Now, yeah,
you've got Samantha Spiegel, the other Samantha that lives in
your town we live now.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And you're no, she lives in the South. My sister
here is my one with my adopted family. But she's
my sister, there's no getting around it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Out of the adopter kids, though, what's the age of
who's the oldest, who's youngest?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Okay, the first Samantha is I believe thirty three. Me
and Melinda I'm thirty one, and then Samantha Spiegel twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, do you want okay? All right? And you're employed
in it right self?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Self employed? Okay, do you want to see what you do?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, self employed? Melinda, We're good. Yeah, okay. Now, you
said that your mother was a prostitute and that money
changed hands in order for to give up her one
of her children, you in this case, for adoption. Do
we know how much money?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No? I only heard from my dad that gave me up.
When I found him. His wife told me that my
birth mother, the one that gave me up for adoption,
went to my biological father's home after my adoption took place,
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and offered him what she described as a bundle of cash.
I don't know, didn't really get into it anymore because
the I have no further contact with them.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's not uncommon, you know, when kids find their adopted fathers,
they usually either they won't contact them atter all, or
they'll have one contact and then they discontinue. Uh. Now,
And so it had to be a significant amount of
cash for her to be willing to give up a
handful to twister.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yet, that's what I would think.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes, And so your mother found the people to adopt
you too through and she received financial gain from that.
And I know from talking to you last time and
to about Samantha Spiegel. Uh, Samantha Spiegel was adopted into
the Spiegel catalog family. Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So that's the Spiegel family, big shot family. Uh, Spiegel Catalog. Okay,
it's an iconic Uh. You know a ton of money
going on over there. So do we know she received
money in that adoption process?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I am not. I don't. I don't believe like hand
to hand cash happened in that one.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
No, okay?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And oh sorry, go ahead, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And what about the other sister, what do we know
about that?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
She she was adopted, however, biological family adopted her, and
she was left in her crib, abandoned in her crib.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay. And that's because your mother was a prostitute. She
had a lot of drugs too, and alcohol, yes, okay.
And is your mother in a life today? Nope, she's passed. Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And she deceased twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And your father, your stepfather or your adopted father, correction,
your adopted father. He said you called him a con man.
Now was he very successful at his crimes?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes? He was, And towards the end of his life,
when I was ten, things had started to really unravel.
He was virtually completely broke and there was a lot
of people angry with him.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay. Is he a lot today?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, No, he's gone to now. Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Out of all the adoptive parents, how many are surviving
are still life?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
The oldest sister lost both of hers, I believe within
two years of each other. I have my adoptive mom,
who left my adoptive dad when I was two after
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she witnessed him breaking our family dog's leg and Samantha
Spiegel's mother is still alive and her father is deceased.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right. Now, That's another thing that is very common too
in these abusive relationships, where the especially because when it's
the person who's being abused, will have sympathy for pets
and they want to become vet texts and vet you know,
around dogs and pets and stuff like that, and the
abuser will see this and they'll abuse their pets, you know,
in order to get at that person that they're mantilating
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it and abuse.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm going yes, and my mom currently runs a nonprofit
animal rescue.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah. Okay, that's it right, Okay, that's all that all
fits the pattern. Now, so give us an idea of Okay,
your mother will was prostitute. She basically sells it to
this family. The father is a con man. What about
the mother she was she was abused by the father.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Right, I would say yes, physically no, but absolutely psychologically
and emotionally.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Okay. So think and you had a brother, this is
your adopted brother, right or adopted brother? Okay, So they
adopted a son and a daughter. Yes, and they abused.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Both of you, yes, just our father.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yes, the father abused both of you. Okay, can King
of describe to us exactly what you went through as
a child.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
A little bit? I can. I'm going to try to
get the right words. I'll start off easy, and then
it gets pretty complicated. So for punishment, if my brother
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would do something wrong, or my dad was just angry
with him, whatever the case would be, he would hang
him upside down by his ankles in the garage and
leave me they're not hung to watch my brother struggle,
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and my dad would then walk away and then come
back what felt like for me hours, but I'm sure
it was just several minutes. And then if I wouldn't
eat his dinner, which was pretty common because I wasn't
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comfortable around him, I've been restrained to tables and chairs
and left all night and would force me to eat it.
And then, okay, well give me an idea.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, how old were you and how old was your
brother when your brother was hanging upside down in the basement?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Oh, my goodness, four five?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So you were both around four or five years old?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, we are eleven months apart.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And what about the incidents you describe with the dinner
table being tied to the table and stuff? I did
tied to the chair.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
The earliest memory I have of that is probably three
or four.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Really, three or four years old, boy, I tell you, yeah,
you know, it can be frustrating feeding your kids at
three or four years old. Man, they don't want to eat,
and that happens. But my god, just the thing to
go to kind of extreme.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's freaking Yeah. I mean to leave someone a child
there tied for the whole night and then send me
to school the next morning, and I have, you know,
virtually no recollection of that following day at school, of course,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And when this was going on, did you ever tell
it teacher or any friends or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
No, because I was just having this conversation the other night.
When that's it's a very complicated, I think, psychological and
emotional situation. But you have this person who you know,
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tells you they love you, they're your father, and then
these things happen. It messes with your mind. So I
was under the impression that every kid went through that,
you know, I did it. I had no idea that
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what I was experiencing would be considered child abuse.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, I know. It's a heartbreaking. My own daughter growing up,
you know, later on, we found out that some of
her little friends were going through horrors at home, you know,
and you think, boy, the kids over here were cutting
the pumpkin open. You know, we're doing these different things,
you know, and everything's fine, you know, blown on birthday candles,
and then when they grow up, you find out they
were living in a house of horror as a.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, his house was huge, I
mean huge. It was beautiful in a high class neighborhood.
You know, we were always dressed nice. No one would
have any idea what was going on. And I know
one thing that happened to my brother, and I can't
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believe the neighbors wouldn't call the police. My brother didn't
want to play two sports back to back one day,
and my dad, Duck taped him to a chair and
left him outside in the rain, and he was screaming,
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and a neighbor came over and got him out, and
you know, knocked on my dad's front door. And I
just can't believe the police weren't called. But there was
other times that police were there. My brother actually told
me he remembers several occasions of seeing police. But because
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everything looks so good, from the outside, there was nothing
they could really go on, and like I know, there
was one instance he left me in his car in
the summer and walked off. I don't know where he went,
and the police found me, and I don't know if
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my dad was ticketed, but he certainly was not arrested.
So it's just it's just one of those things where
everything from the outside truly looked perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because I'm a lot older
than you. I'm fifty five years old, and when I
was growing up, you know, my god, it was a nightmare,
just insanity going on with all the neighbors in our house.
But you know, I'm thinking twenty five years ago, thirty
years of it, it wasn't that crazy. Things were so
things were starting to wise up and people had their
eye open for this kind of thing. Now, since then,
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have you and your brother have received any therapy for this?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
My brother no, and me no. However, I did have
other therapy as a teenager, but unrelated to any of this.
Because the book and talking to you, and truly one
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of the first times I've spoke it allowed minus a
few people I've entrusted with my story, I've kept it
pretty well, extremely quiet, out of fear that well, retribution,
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people not believing me or just thinking I'm like some
crazy girl making up all these stories and you know,
none of none of those are true.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, it's so important saying things out loud, you know,
is so important. It's so therapeutic. You know, I would
really encourage it to to find other outlets for this
besides the occasional radio show like every nine months or so,
you know, And you're writing a book about this. We're
gonna have a book come out. And when the book
comes out, we'll have you back. We'll get into this
a little bit more, because already the time's going so fast. Now,
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what about now with your sister Samantha, she describes obviously
hear her abuse was a little bit different because and
she was also had an abusive child. Because she describes
all kinds of statutory rape going on in her life.
That's just such bizarre, uh, you know, in so many
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different ways. Did you have that you and your brother
any kind of sexual abuse? Yes, me, and that was
with the adopted father. Yeah, okay, now, and and the
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last time we talked to you described that your parents
would have these parties at the house.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Mm hmm. And so again it was just my dad.
I was every other week, and I woke up to
a party going on and it was in his bar,
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and when I approached the bar, there was a bunch
of steps leading down to it, and I saw, I'm
going to be honest. For so many years I brushed
this off as a dream because it was so unreal
to my young eyes. But when I saw everyone, everyone
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had on black tapes with the hood over them. I
have after that, I have no memory of what happened
the rest of that night, And that is a common
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theme when I was talking to Kegan Lester during our
first first recorded session. My dad used to tell me
I would sleep walk all the time, and when he
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passed away, suddenly in my sleepwalking incidents like never happened again.
And after talking to my brother, I was able to
piece a couple of things together, and he would tell
me that my dad would wake him up and bring
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him outside into our backyard, and we had a sitress
orchard and it went up like really high up in
the hills, and my brother would remember standing outside and
him and my dad watching me walk down the orchard
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like in my pajamas and he would go, oh, look,
Melinda's sleepwalking, and he remembers a couple of very similar incidents.
And when I told Keegan Lester about it, I had
never thought about it. And he's a really good guy
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to be talked to because he can kind of get
in there and figure out what's going on. And he said,
it sounds to him like my dad could have been
using some sort of drugs like LSD or something.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, what about was there? Did you guys have like
a little ritual like bedtime stories and milk and cookies
and brother, they would feed you something at night before
you went to bed.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I don't honestly remember. I don't know. As I've gotten older,
more memories have started to come back, and some which
I'll probably never verbalize, but they slowly started to leak in.
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But there's still so many holes from my childhood.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, that's so true. I was just remembering in
my own life, and this is something for my twenties.
There was an incident in a car with my friend
and his girlfriend, and I remember the incident and it
wasn't until just recently that I says, oh my god,
now I realized what all that was about, you know
it just things suddenly make sense to you or you
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come to your revelation.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yes, yes, Now.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
What other indications do you have do you think this
might have been a Satanic besides these robes like you
mentioned and walking into the citrus field. Were your parents
were religious? Did they talk about the Bible? Did you
go to church?
Speaker 5 (24:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
My dad was what he describes as an extreme atheist.
And later in life I acquired some of his jewelry
and I found a lot of a Free Mason jewelry.
I don't know what that means, but times of Free
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Mason jewelry. I still have some of it, but I've
gotten rid of a lot of it. I still have
his cup links with you know, the G and the yeah.
And so I asked my mom if she had any
memory of him being in the Free Masons, and she
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said that she did not, that she did not think
or know that he was a part of anything like that.
But we were always surrounded by his people, and like
he would hire these horror ruble babysitters who would lock
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me in dark bathrooms and make they made me play
like I was three four at the time, so it
was like hell to me. They they would make me
play Bloody Mary. And these are you know, women, like
grown women, locking a little girl in a dark bathroom
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and not letting her out until she's done doing whatever
she's supposed to do in there.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
What is bloody Mary? I've never heard of that game?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Oh you've never heard of You're supposed to look into
a mirror and say bloody Mary three times and then
the demon or spirit or whatever of this woman appears.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Really and wait, and this was multiple babysitters. How you
play this game?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
That was one babysitter and then we had others who
would talk about like sex constantly, and it was just horrible.
It was horrible. They were just the one that locked
me in the bathroom though, was like the worst that
I hated when it was her time to come over.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And what age were you with these babysitters.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
All the I mean all the way up until you know,
I mean he died and I was ten, So this
is ten years the first ten years.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Of my life, first ten years your life? Okay? And
after he was dead did things change? Is your childhood
got better.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
My as far as not being abused, absolutely, But then
things went downhill for me. Started acting out obviously a
lot of self destruction. I went to four different high
schools just I could not keep it together. I was
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just all over the place hurting myself, not you know,
cutting myself or anything like that, but like almost trying
to push myself to the limit, like just every single day.
It was. It was horrible. It was horrible. I was
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a horrible student, like I just was. I was out
of control.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You know what's very interesting too, is both you and
I only met you and the Samantha Spiegel and both
very very intelligent, intelligent women. I tell you it incredible.
And now, well the other thing too is, uh, I
was going to ask you, I slipped my mind, but uh,
your mother. When you did track down your mother, the prostitute,
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did you ask her about any of this stuff?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
No? And I don't want to give too much away,
but meeting her was really traumatic. And I mean, I
can just say this part. We ended up meeting one
of her pimps and he he asked, you know, my
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my mother, you know, oh are these girls? And it
was it was too much for me to bear, just emotionally.
I was like, what a prop or a pimp knows
about me? That's horrible. You know, I was nineteen when
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met her, and it was over a three day span,
and there was things that happened on that three days
that I had to be reminded of by my older
her sister, and luckily she was able to capture photographic evidence.
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Otherwise I don't think I would believe her when she
told me some of these things, Like that's how traumatic
I was. I just I almost completely forgot what happened
on that trip.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Now the oldest sister, did she Because we know the
Samantha went had a bizarre childhood. We know your childhood
was hell. What about the other Samantha, the other the
older sister of thirty three year old one, what was
her child Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
You know, she was adopted by her biological grandparents, and honestly,
hers was as normal as I could probably imagine a
childhood being. You know, I think besides her her parents
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that knew adopted her, but still her family. It was
her grandparents. You know, they died two years apart, and
then she was young, like fourteen, and so that messed
her up. But other than that, she kind of lucked
out between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, Okay, this is a good time taking a commercial break.
We're here with Melinda Choma and she's telling us about
the experience you set as a childhood being adopted. And
by the way, people got to go back and look
at the other shows I've done about this whole adoption process,
which is rife for abuse, just like this and one
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hundred times worse the kind of stuff I've reported on
going on with this adoption process. With this means completing
and utter overhaul and some kind of oversight into this
process here it's just crazy. But we'll be back with
more with our guests Melinda Choma right after these messages.
Her books can be coming out. And who's writing the book?
Keegan what's his name?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Keegan Lester?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Keegan Lestern, how'd you find him?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
He is actually my cousin from my stepdad's family. Okay,
so amazing.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We're here with
Melinda Chouma, just telling us about her horrific childhood. Now Melinda,
you mentioned Keegan Lester is writing this book with you,
and he's your cousin. Yes, so you had other cousins,
did any of the cousins witnesses abuse going on with
your kids?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Now? He is from my stepdad's family through my mom
later married in life, and he's absolutely amazing. So this
is his nephew.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Okay, gotcha. And the third sister you said, she came
out fine. And then the Samantha, you know, you can
check out her story and it's in a member sections,
a whole story for a whole another day, like a
whole other thing. Right, I tell you now, since you
started talking about this, I interviewed your sister, and I
(37:23):
interviewed you off the air. We talked off the air,
we took a statement from you off the air, and
then you and Keegan are writing this book. Since then,
you've had some problems, some visits to your house. Can
you tell us about that?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I can. So I was supposed to talk to Keegan
on the phone, a phone interview, and the night before
that interview was supposed to happen, I was sleeping and
a man fully covered I couldn't see anything, and he
(38:00):
did have gloves on came into my bedroom and locked
himself in there with me. I did blackout, and I
was in and out and I remembered him laughing at me.
(38:25):
And when that was all said and done, I discovered
that there was lead sprayed in like fourth spird rooms
of my house. There is a police report, and the
last I talked to the officer handling it, it was closed.
(38:49):
And there's never been been a rest of my maid.
So that that was.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
What about bread in the rooms? It was just like,
what could it be around?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I'm making an educated guest. I don't know because I've
not been told. It's just my assumption and I could
be wrong. My subject is that it is not human.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Okay, that's a good question. That was my question, was
an animal? Did they what did they tell you? Did
they test the blood?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
They did blood samples, right, But I never got word
on the blood. The only thing I did find out
out was the officer called me the same day and
he just did a quick field test on some of
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the samples, and he called to confirm that it was
in fact blood.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Okay, Well, that's interesting. How would you find out that quickly?
That's a bizarre I guess one of those blood alcohol
kind of tests you.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Can throw it in there, you know, Yeah, I mean
it was no DNA you know test. It was just
if it's blood or not. Basically, Yeah, that's interesting. And
and but I the way the blood was, it couldn't
have been from a cut. It was and too weird
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of angles. None of it was on the floor, just
on the walls.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So you think it was in a spray bottle and
the guy sprayed it on the walls.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
That part I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I mean that sounds like a reasonable well reasonable as
it could be, but yeah, it sounds like a logical.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
When you get into these areas, reason goes out the window. Now,
your other sister, the one who had a good childhood,
had a similar experience.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yes, well, well it's my sister from my adoptive mom
and my stepdad. It is their biological child. Okay, but
I was raised with her. She's my best friend, and
we only live about, I don't know, twenty minutes away
(41:20):
from each other. And yes, six yeah, six months after mine,
she had a very similar experience. I mean, I'm going
to get into that a little bit, yeah, real quick.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Because we got about the twenty minutes for the whole
rest of the show.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
So okay, yeah, just essentially, her home was broken into,
she was not home, blood sprayed everywhere, police took you know,
bloody mop out of their bloody paper towels. There was
blood outside inside, and then oil all over her counter,
(41:58):
which we can't figure out where that came from. And
they were found and arrested. Thankfully. Oh really, And yes,
that's the only thing that's been good out of that.
And so she's in the middle of writing her victim
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impact statement and it's due before the month is over.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, Well then, well wait a second, this is good
that we have some people we could talk to. Now
these two other people who are if two of them
were arrested, what's their age?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
And I think just one was arrested as far as
I know, and they they knew her.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's someone they know. Yeah, okay, what was their motive
for doing this? Do we know that?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
We do not know.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
They just went crazy? Were they on drugs?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
No? I mean she was she was out of town
for a week and they broke in through her living
room window. And then because I was there with her
when she got back from town and when we walked in.
We just couldn't believe what we were looking at. And
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the only difference between those two is that nothing was
taken from my home and she only had one thing
that was taken, and he pled guilty to petty larceny.
But we've still got no answers on the blood for
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either one of our homes.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
You gotta get insistent with these cops, you know, especially
that case. There'll be a detective assigned to that other case,
and you can get them on the phone and make
them tell you. You know, you got to You gotta push
this stuff. Now. You mentioned that the man who was
in your home with a mask on you thought that
his voice was an African American voice? Was this guy
red did? Was he African American?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
No? He's not African American?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
No, okay, all right, And we have no idea what
his motive was for this?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
No idea.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Okay, did you know this man?
Speaker 3 (44:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Would he know where you live?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
The one who was arrested knows where you live. We
would know where you live.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
What about Samantha over there in San Francisco? Is she
any kind of similar? I know she lives in a
high security building, right, she does.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, she's behind gates and you need an access code
to get in, right. So, fortunately she has not had
anything like that. But she's going through her own legal
battles right now that I can't talk about because it's
still in the process.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oh something where she's in trouble or someone else gonna problem.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
No, she's not in trouble.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Okay, all right, Well that's good to hear. Okay, good
old Samantha. Okay, all right, now, is is there anything
in this story that I've left out that I haven't
asked you?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I guess just for just to make things a little
bit more interesting, because it gets even weirder. Okay, we'll
just say this and I if we want to get
technical here, I have four dads, which is a very
interesting thing. And you said something in the opening that
(45:33):
I heard, and I just wanted to say real quick,
my email was hacked and my phone was hacked at
the time of my break in.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
How do you know How do you know that?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Well, my account, my email account. I was getting emails
letting me know that I had been compromised. I could
not access my account, and they kept sending me email
telling me that I hadn't change my information that they
were going to shut it down, so I have no
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further access to my email. So I had to get
another email, and my phone was hacked. I dealt with
it through Apple and I received a case member and
they were hacked into my iCloud.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, so let's start with the email account. That was
a Gmail account.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
It was Yahoo and I was part of that big
breach okay, back back in when yeah, maybe fourteen fifteen,
and I just completely lost access to my whole email.
So that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
And with the phone, what was going on with the
phone that came to the conclude that your phone was hacked?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
I feel like there was just too many weird things
going on with my phone that wasn't making sense. I
would walk in front of electronics and that electronic would
react to my phone, or my phone would react to
that electronic, and it was just acting really strange, and
(47:28):
I just it was like there was too many coincidence
like coincidences going on. And I found out first that
I had some apps on my phone that I didn't
put on there, and that's kind of where it all started.
(47:49):
And then I was able to get the hackers out, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
What were the apps of.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
The phone dragging app?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Okay? And do you have any suspects in mind who
might have done that?
Speaker 3 (48:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Okay. Do you have no idea ever any occasion where
someone else will be holding your phone and say can
I borrow your phone and use your phone?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
I mean certainly that's happened.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
All right. So you have the incident with your phone
being hacked and the email account, and then of course
these incidents here with the with the with the home
break ins. So now do you believe this is related
to your coming public with just with these stories and
the freemasons and stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
I'm I'm I'm torn on it. I want to say
I'm in denial and say no, it's just random, but
I don't, you know, I can't say that everything's just
random because there's one other things that have happened that
also have police support attached to them, and just it's
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been pretty relentless for the last couple of years now, I.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Believe when we talked yet, but also too, you're going
through some divorce litigation, right, I am, because could any
of this be related to that?
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Absolutely not. This My divorce is fairly new, okay, And
we're actually not divorced. We are separated since July of seventeen,
so it's pretty fresh, okay.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
And now with your sister's childhood was equally bizarre as yours,
but even more so in many ways because she had
this contact with John Marcarr, which was like nine years old,
and then she went and contacted him and they developed
a friendship over the phone. He tried to recruit her
into a cult. Did she have any of these similar
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satanic issues that you believe you had.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Not specifically by her parents. No. And one other thing
about John Mark Carr, he taught at her right, her
her exclusive private school. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
A teacher's a day when she was like nine years old, yes, right.
And then she contacted him though when she was like
nineteen or eighteen, and then he started trying to get
her to recruit little girls like John Benet Ramsay type
little girls to be in a cult, whether he would.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Lead, Yes, I have. I did see her interview years
ago on the Today Show, and I have to say
I almost fainted because it was it was one you know,
it's a wild story. And then to see your sister
on National TV, You're like, whoa, you know, well, did
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you listen.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Did you ever listen to the Did you ever listen
to the interview that we did?
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
I got a sentence. I'll send it to your right
after the show. We should have put it on. I
should have sent it to you before I figure. I
figured they did. I'll send it to you right after
the show. It's just a lot in this story that's
is exclusive to this interview, that that no one's heard before.
It's just one thing after another with.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Her, you know it is. It is.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Because she was also communicating with these death Row inmates.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yes, the one from.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Poly Class, and a lot of people believe that whole
poly Class story. There's a lot more involved there than
then that's in the public.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
And yes, there's there's it always goes deeper, right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Right, And I believe even if if you google poly
Class and John Mark car there's even a third connection
between the two of them. So you know, wow, yeah,
oh yeah, there's a lot of a lot, a lot
of bizarre stuff throughout this whole thing. But with Melinda
Chalma and her book's gonna be when do you think
the book will be out?
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You know, we just don't. We don't know. We are
we are really trying. We are trying because we between
all my issues, there's we're we there's still some people
alive that we need to talk about. We just you know,
(52:37):
because my brother and I don't communicate anymore. So at
first I had full permission to use his name and everything,
and so that completely changed. And then with my my
biological father, that was absolute nightmare talking to him and
getting the DNA test. His wife is just pure evil,
(53:02):
I'll just say that. So it's just been it's really
been a nightmare trying to get this on.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Now, what about the father who was the freemason? The
adopted father was a freemason. Have you guys done any
investigation into him, like a really thorough investigation, like uh,
business history and newspaper records and things like that, besides
just a cursory Google like a Nexus Lexis type of searches.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
I believe he there somewhere there is paperwork of all
of his phony businesses, but I don't know where. I
don't know whose hands it's been or if it's even
still around to this day.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
What about like a newspaper archives and stuff, if you
will do that.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I have not no. He he lived kind of all
over southern California, So that would be a pretty difficult
task to track down all of that. I feel like,
and we've done a lot of tracking down. We've we've
found a lot of people already, and I think we're
(54:22):
kind of a little burnt out on our own little investigation.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I hear you, I hear you, But I say, I know.
His case isn't that old though, It's only about twenty
five years old. So there would be like lexus sexist,
you know, docu searches. There would be a lot of
stuff available on him that you wouldn't even have to
get into like microfilm and go down to the library.
So there would be a lot there which would be
interesting to find out this guy's associations, who he was
(54:50):
friends with, who he was in cahoots with. Did you
but his ex wife she's still alive, you said, right,
am I correct?
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's that's my Yeah, you know,
to this day.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Does she talk to does she say, yeah, he was
friends with this guy, he was friends with that guy?
Does she have a list of names he was friends
with and associated with?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, and I remember his associates. But kind of out
of a little bit of fear. I don't know, you
know how comfortable I would be at all saying their names.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Out loud, But I'm just saying that you have you
looked into their backgrounds though, and seeing that there's any
kind of nefarious activities I have not. Okay, Yeah, that's
where I would go with all this. So, Melinda Chrauma,
just about out of time? How do you want to
leave us? And do you want to make yourself available
for people to contact you if they know anything about
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the story.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Oh yeah, that's totally fine. Yeah, I guess what I'd
like to leave it on is the main reason we
want to get book done and get it out there
is to possibly help other adopted children who maybe have
(56:10):
had a not easy time. And I think just to
just to finally get you know, our our story out there,
because we are, you know, weird. A lot of people
don't understand us, and I think it I think it'd
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be really good to to clear the air and let
people understand us a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
And how can people contact you?
Speaker 3 (56:41):
They can? They can contact me via Facebook.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Facebook. So it's Melinda Truma M A L I N
D A C H O M A. And just look
for the prettiest one, because there's a couple of them,
but it's the prettiest one and that's the one we're
talking to today. Melinda, thank you so much. If anything
comes up, shoot me an email and we'll get you
right back on you here.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Okay, sound great.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
And later on, Toady, I'm gonna send you an interview
with the Samantha.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Thank you, thank you so much. Okay, Well, they got
Melinda Choma. She's the biological sister of Samantha Spiegel, and
you got to go back into the membery section and
check out that whole Samantha Spiegel then, by the Samantha
Spigel is another gorgeous one, both to incredibly to the
genes in that family. I never saw the third one.
I'd like to get a picture of her for these
two are beautiful. The Samantha Spiegel story is just fascinating because, uh,
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it's like a she she talks about herself like this
statutory rate throughout her whole life, you know, with all
these teachers and then John Mark Carr getting involved her
and she had a get a restraining order against him
and then came out in the public and then she
was victimized by celebrities on top of that which was
targeted uh and victimized by them. The fascinating stuff, Samantha Spegel,
(57:54):
So thank you so much, Melinda Choma. Okay, and check
her out and keep an eye out for that book
coming out with Linda Choma. One more thing when we're
talking to about the adoption process and the adoption situation
is I've had done shows in the past, if you
just google that operament adoption. We've done several shows on
the gaping holes in the adoption process in this country.
(58:21):
And secondary adoptions are even worse that, especially with these
overseas adoptions, where parents in this country obtain these children
from overseas with sometimes very little paperwork whatsoever, and they
get them here in this country, you know, and then
they can't handle them, and they try to rehome these
kids and they basically just market them on the internet
(58:43):
to be given away to the highest bidder whatever comes along.
And in that case there's even less paperwork. They just
sign over a power of attorney. You go to a bank,
you sign a power of attorney. I give this an
other person power of attorney over my child to take them
to the doctor. And take them to school and that's it,
and then they're gone forever. No one knows what happens
to these kids. There's no oversight, there's no follow up
(59:04):
or investigation or you know, monitoring whatsoever. And it's just
a horrific situation what we're doing with adoptions in this country.
It really is the most precious commodity we have in
this country, and we just treating like a even less
than pets.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
You know.
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Now I met Melinda Choma through her sister, Samantha Spiegel.
We interviewed Samantha Spiegel quite a bit a while ago,
close to a year. We're getting on with Samantha Spegelan.
You might recall her. It's up in the members section
that interview. Samantha Spiegel was the woman who, as a
child was a student in a school and John Mark
(01:45):
Carr was her student teacher's aide in this school. And
you might recall that John Mark Carr is the guy
who uh confessed to murdering John Benet Ramsey. Can really
the whole bizarre, strange story. It takes hours, and I
wants to get into well. Melinda Trauma is the sister
(02:06):
of Samantha speak and she has her own story which
we're going to be getting into here in great detail.
And then it's this is what a story we have
Melinda Chrump, Melinda, are you there?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Hi?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Event?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Pretty good?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay? Tell us about yourself? Who is Melinda Chouma? If
I was? If I meet you like a we're right
in front of our kids' school, I say, hey, how
are you? I'm an operamantor and you say I'm Melinda Chouman.
Tell me about yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Well, that's a okay, that's that's a loaded question. So
I would probably just say, you know, I'm a.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Mother, I enjoy working, I I'm in the middle of
hopefully trying to get a book done, and that I'm
a little weird. So there I am.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
And Melinda is a very beautiful woman too, and you
should see her pictures, very gorgeous. And her sister too,
Samantha speak also another beautiful woman. So I get to
talk to a beautiful girlfriend for an hour here. I
can't complain, right, Okay, Now, I guess what brings us
to the show is that you had an unusual childhood?
(03:26):
Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I did, yes, very much?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So well gives because you don't do a lot of interviews.
You don't do you're not interviewed all the time, so
give us an idea. But you're you're writing in the
midst of writing a book about your experiences as a childhood,
growing up in a very unusual circumstances. So give us
an idea. What happened in your childhood?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Okay, it's pretty complicated. Uh, just kind of how I
even got to where I was at. So I am adopted.
That's kind of the whole start of it, of course,
and without kind of giving too much away. Samantha also
(04:12):
is adopted. We have another sister whose name is also Samantha.
She however, prefers to stay a little bit more out
of the way, and a mother birth mother as a prostitute,
and she's deceased, and she adopted all three of us
(04:39):
out and found my dad, my adoptive dad. From what
I've collected from my adoption that we've had to put
a lot of pieces together because there's lot of holes
(05:00):
in it. And in the process of discovering who I am,
I did find my biological father a couple of years ago,
and I found out that there was cash exchanged in
my adoption. And so my adoptive dad was a big
(05:28):
tem con artist, ran fake businesses, you know, collecting people's
money as you know, quote investments and you know, bankruptcy,
couldn't give people their money back when really there was
kind of most of the time no physical business going on.
(05:52):
And I have a brother who was also adopted, and
he and I, at the hands of my father, experienced
very severe traumatic abuse. I mean, I can get into
that a little bit, a little that's kind of the
(06:15):
gist of how I came to be where I'm at today.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Let's get a little bit more background first. Now, yeah,
you've got Samantha Spiegel, the other Samantha that lives in
your town we live now.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And you're no, she lives in the South. My sister
here is my one with my adopted family. But she's
my sister, there's no getting around it.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Out of the adopter kids, though, what's the age of
who's the oldest, who's youngest?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Okay, the first Samantha is I believe thirty three. Me
and Melinda I'm thirty one, and then Samantha Spiegel twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, do you want okay? All right? And you're employed
in it right self?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Self employed? Okay, do you want to see what you do?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
No?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, self employed? Melinda, We're good. Yeah, okay. Now, you
said that your mother was a prostitute and that money
changed hands in order for to give up her one
of her children, you in this case, for adoption. Do
we know how much money?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No? I only heard from my dad that gave me up.
When I found him. His wife told me that my
birth mother, the one that gave me up for adoption,
went to my biological father's home after my adoption took place,
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and offered him what she described as a bundle of cash.
I don't know, didn't really get into it anymore because
the I have no further contact with them.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's not uncommon, you know, when kids find their adopted fathers,
they usually either they won't contact them atter all, or
they'll have one contact and then they discontinue. Uh. Now,
And so it had to be a significant amount of
cash for her to be willing to give up a
handful to twister.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yet, that's what I would think.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes, And so your mother found the people to adopt
you too through and she received financial gain from that.
And I know from talking to you last time and
to about Samantha Spiegel. Uh, Samantha Spiegel was adopted into
the Spiegel catalog family. Am I correct?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So that's the Spiegel family, big shot family. Uh, Spiegel Catalog. Okay,
it's an iconic Uh. You know a ton of money
going on over there. So do we know she received
money in that adoption process?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I am not. I don't. I don't believe like hand
to hand cash happened in that one.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
No, okay?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
And oh sorry, go ahead, okay.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
And what about the other sister, what do we know
about that?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
She she was adopted, however, biological family adopted her, and
she was left in her crib, abandoned in her crib.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Okay. And that's because your mother was a prostitute. She
had a lot of drugs too, and alcohol, yes, okay.
And is your mother in a life today? Nope, she's passed. Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And she deceased twenty ten.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And your father, your stepfather or your adopted father, correction,
your adopted father. He said you called him a con man.
Now was he very successful at his crimes?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes? He was, And towards the end of his life,
when I was ten, things had started to really unravel.
He was virtually completely broke and there was a lot
of people angry with him.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Okay. Is he a lot today?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, No, he's gone to now. Okay.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Out of all the adoptive parents, how many are surviving
are still life?
Speaker 3 (10:32):
The oldest sister lost both of hers, I believe within
two years of each other. I have my adoptive mom,
who left my adoptive dad when I was two after
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she witnessed him breaking our family dog's leg and Samantha
Spiegel's mother is still alive and her father is deceased.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Right. Now, That's another thing that is very common too
in these abusive relationships, where the especially because when it's
the person who's being abused, will have sympathy for pets
and they want to become vet texts and vet you know,
around dogs and pets and stuff like that, and the
abuser will see this and they'll abuse their pets, you know,
in order to get at that person that they're mantilating
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it and abuse.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
I'm going yes, and my mom currently runs a nonprofit
animal rescue.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah. Okay, that's it right, Okay, that's all that all
fits the pattern. Now, so give us an idea of Okay,
your mother will was prostitute. She basically sells it to
this family. The father is a con man. What about
the mother she was she was abused by the father.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Right, I would say yes, physically no, but absolutely psychologically
and emotionally.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Okay. So think and you had a brother, this is
your adopted brother, right or adopted brother? Okay, So they
adopted a son and a daughter. Yes, and they abused.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Both of you, yes, just our father.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yes, the father abused both of you. Okay, can King
of describe to us exactly what you went through as
a child.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
A little bit? I can. I'm going to try to
get the right words. I'll start off easy, and then
it gets pretty complicated. So for punishment, if my brother
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would do something wrong, or my dad was just angry
with him, whatever the case would be, he would hang
him upside down by his ankles in the garage and
leave me they're not hung to watch my brother struggle,
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and my dad would then walk away and then come
back what felt like for me hours, but I'm sure
it was just several minutes. And then if I wouldn't
eat his dinner, which was pretty common because I wasn't
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comfortable around him, I've been restrained to tables and chairs
and left all night and would force me to eat it.
And then, okay, well give me an idea.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, how old were you and how old was your
brother when your brother was hanging upside down in the basement?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Oh, my goodness, four five?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So you were both around four or five years old?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Yeah, we are eleven months apart.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And what about the incidents you describe with the dinner
table being tied to the table and stuff? I did
tied to the chair.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
The earliest memory I have of that is probably three
or four.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Really, three or four years old, boy, I tell you, yeah,
you know, it can be frustrating feeding your kids at
three or four years old. Man, they don't want to eat,
and that happens. But my god, just the thing to
go to kind of extreme.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It's freaking Yeah. I mean to leave someone a child
there tied for the whole night and then send me
to school the next morning, and I have, you know,
virtually no recollection of that following day at school, of course,
you know.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
And when this was going on, did you ever tell
it teacher or any friends or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
No, because I was just having this conversation the other night.
When that's it's a very complicated, I think, psychological and
emotional situation. But you have this person who you know,
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tells you they love you, they're your father, and then
these things happen. It messes with your mind. So I
was under the impression that every kid went through that,
you know, I did it. I had no idea that
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what I was experiencing would be considered child abuse.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, I know. It's a heartbreaking. My own daughter growing up,
you know, later on, we found out that some of
her little friends were going through horrors at home, you know,
and you think, boy, the kids over here were cutting
the pumpkin open. You know, we're doing these different things,
you know, and everything's fine, you know, blown on birthday candles,
and then when they grow up, you find out they
were living in a house of horror as a.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, his house was huge, I
mean huge. It was beautiful in a high class neighborhood.
You know, we were always dressed nice. No one would
have any idea what was going on. And I know
one thing that happened to my brother, and I can't
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believe the neighbors wouldn't call the police. My brother didn't
want to play two sports back to back one day,
and my dad, Duck taped him to a chair and
left him outside in the rain, and he was screaming,
(17:04):
and a neighbor came over and got him out, and
you know, knocked on my dad's front door. And I
just can't believe the police weren't called. But there was
other times that police were there. My brother actually told
me he remembers several occasions of seeing police. But because
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everything looks so good, from the outside, there was nothing
they could really go on, and like I know, there
was one instance he left me in his car in
the summer and walked off. I don't know where he went,
and the police found me, and I don't know if
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my dad was ticketed, but he certainly was not arrested.
So it's just it's just one of those things where
everything from the outside truly looked perfect.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, that's interesting, you know, because I'm a lot older
than you. I'm fifty five years old, and when I
was growing up, you know, my god, it was a nightmare,
just insanity going on with all the neighbors in our house.
But you know, I'm thinking twenty five years ago, thirty
years of it, it wasn't that crazy. Things were so
things were starting to wise up and people had their
eye open for this kind of thing. Now, since then,
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have you and your brother have received any therapy for this?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
My brother no, and me no. However, I did have
other therapy as a teenager, but unrelated to any of this.
Because the book and talking to you, and truly one
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of the first times I've spoke it allowed minus a
few people I've entrusted with my story, I've kept it
pretty well, extremely quiet, out of fear that well, retribution,
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people not believing me or just thinking I'm like some
crazy girl making up all these stories and you know,
none of none of those are true.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
You know, it's so important saying things out loud, you know,
is so important. It's so therapeutic. You know, I would
really encourage it to to find other outlets for this
besides the occasional radio show like every nine months or so,
you know, And you're writing a book about this. We're
gonna have a book come out. And when the book
comes out, we'll have you back. We'll get into this
a little bit more, because already the time's going so fast. Now,
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what about now with your sister Samantha, she describes obviously
hear her abuse was a little bit different because and
she was also had an abusive child. Because she describes
all kinds of statutory rape going on in her life.
That's just such bizarre, uh, you know, in so many
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different ways. Did you have that you and your brother
any kind of sexual abuse? Yes, me, and that was
with the adopted father. Yeah, okay, now, and and the
(20:30):
last time we talked to you described that your parents
would have these parties at the house.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Mm hmm. And so again it was just my dad.
I was every other week, and I woke up to
a party going on and it was in his bar,
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and when I approached the bar, there was a bunch
of steps leading down to it, and I saw, I'm
going to be honest. For so many years I brushed
this off as a dream because it was so unreal
to my young eyes. But when I saw everyone, everyone
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had on black tapes with the hood over them. I
have after that, I have no memory of what happened
the rest of that night, And that is a common
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theme when I was talking to Kegan Lester during our
first first recorded session. My dad used to tell me
I would sleep walk all the time, and when he
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passed away, suddenly in my sleepwalking incidents like never happened again.
And after talking to my brother, I was able to
piece a couple of things together, and he would tell
me that my dad would wake him up and bring
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him outside into our backyard, and we had a sitress
orchard and it went up like really high up in
the hills, and my brother would remember standing outside and
him and my dad watching me walk down the orchard
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like in my pajamas and he would go, oh, look,
Melinda's sleepwalking, and he remembers a couple of very similar incidents.
And when I told Keegan Lester about it, I had
never thought about it. And he's a really good guy
(23:17):
to be talked to because he can kind of get
in there and figure out what's going on. And he said,
it sounds to him like my dad could have been
using some sort of drugs like LSD or something.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, what about was there? Did you guys have like
a little ritual like bedtime stories and milk and cookies
and brother, they would feed you something at night before
you went to bed.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
I don't honestly remember. I don't know. As I've gotten older,
more memories have started to come back, and some which
I'll probably never verbalize, but they slowly started to leak in.
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But there's still so many holes from my childhood.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You know, that's so true. I was just remembering in
my own life, and this is something for my twenties.
There was an incident in a car with my friend
and his girlfriend, and I remember the incident and it
wasn't until just recently that I says, oh my god,
now I realized what all that was about, you know
it just things suddenly make sense to you or you
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come to your revelation.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yes, yes, Now.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
What other indications do you have do you think this
might have been a Satanic besides these robes like you
mentioned and walking into the citrus field. Were your parents
were religious? Did they talk about the Bible? Did you
go to church?
Speaker 5 (24:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
My dad was what he describes as an extreme atheist.
And later in life I acquired some of his jewelry
and I found a lot of a Free Mason jewelry.
I don't know what that means, but times of Free
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Mason jewelry. I still have some of it, but I've
gotten rid of a lot of it. I still have
his cup links with you know, the G and the yeah.
And so I asked my mom if she had any
memory of him being in the Free Masons, and she
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said that she did not, that she did not think
or know that he was a part of anything like that.
But we were always surrounded by his people, and like
he would hire these horror ruble babysitters who would lock
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me in dark bathrooms and make they made me play
like I was three four at the time, so it
was like hell to me. They they would make me
play Bloody Mary. And these are you know, women, like
grown women, locking a little girl in a dark bathroom
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and not letting her out until she's done doing whatever
she's supposed to do in there.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
What is bloody Mary? I've never heard of that game?
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Oh you've never heard of You're supposed to look into
a mirror and say bloody Mary three times and then
the demon or spirit or whatever of this woman appears.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Really and wait, and this was multiple babysitters. How you
play this game?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
That was one babysitter and then we had others who
would talk about like sex constantly, and it was just horrible.
It was horrible. They were just the one that locked
me in the bathroom though, was like the worst that
I hated when it was her time to come over.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
And what age were you with these babysitters.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
All the I mean all the way up until you know,
I mean he died and I was ten, So this
is ten years the first ten years.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Of my life, first ten years your life? Okay? And
after he was dead did things change? Is your childhood
got better.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
My as far as not being abused, absolutely, But then
things went downhill for me. Started acting out obviously a
lot of self destruction. I went to four different high
schools just I could not keep it together. I was
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just all over the place hurting myself, not you know,
cutting myself or anything like that, but like almost trying
to push myself to the limit, like just every single day.
It was. It was horrible. It was horrible. I was
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a horrible student, like I just was. I was out
of control.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You know what's very interesting too, is both you and
I only met you and the Samantha Spiegel and both
very very intelligent, intelligent women. I tell you it incredible.
And now, well the other thing too is, uh, I
was going to ask you, I slipped my mind, but uh,
your mother. When you did track down your mother, the prostitute,
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did you ask her about any of this stuff?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
No? And I don't want to give too much away,
but meeting her was really traumatic. And I mean, I
can just say this part. We ended up meeting one
of her pimps and he he asked, you know, my
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my mother, you know, oh are these girls? And it
was it was too much for me to bear, just emotionally.
I was like, what a prop or a pimp knows
about me? That's horrible. You know, I was nineteen when
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met her, and it was over a three day span,
and there was things that happened on that three days
that I had to be reminded of by my older
her sister, and luckily she was able to capture photographic evidence.
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Otherwise I don't think I would believe her when she
told me some of these things, Like that's how traumatic
I was. I just I almost completely forgot what happened
on that trip.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Now the oldest sister, did she Because we know the
Samantha went had a bizarre childhood. We know your childhood
was hell. What about the other Samantha, the other the
older sister of thirty three year old one, what was
her child Yeah?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
You know, she was adopted by her biological grandparents, and honestly,
hers was as normal as I could probably imagine a
childhood being. You know, I think besides her her parents
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that knew adopted her, but still her family. It was
her grandparents. You know, they died two years apart, and
then she was young, like fourteen, and so that messed
her up. But other than that, she kind of lucked
out between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, Okay, this is a good time taking a commercial break.
We're here with Melinda Choma and she's telling us about
the experience you set as a childhood being adopted. And
by the way, people got to go back and look
at the other shows I've done about this whole adoption process,
which is rife for abuse, just like this and one
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hundred times worse the kind of stuff I've reported on
going on with this adoption process. With this means completing
and utter overhaul and some kind of oversight into this
process here it's just crazy. But we'll be back with
more with our guests Melinda Choma right after these messages.
Her books can be coming out. And who's writing the book?
Keegan what's his name?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Keegan Lester?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Keegan Lestern, how'd you find him?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
He is actually my cousin from my stepdad's family. Okay,
so amazing.
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I'm your host, private investigator at Opperman. We're here with
Melinda Chouma, just telling us about her horrific childhood. Now Melinda,
you mentioned Keegan Lester is writing this book with you,
and he's your cousin. Yes, so you had other cousins,
did any of the cousins witnesses abuse going on with
your kids?
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Now? He is from my stepdad's family through my mom
later married in life, and he's absolutely amazing. So this
is his nephew.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Okay, gotcha. And the third sister you said, she came
out fine. And then the Samantha, you know, you can
check out her story and it's in a member sections,
a whole story for a whole another day, like a
whole other thing. Right, I tell you now, since you
started talking about this, I interviewed your sister, and I
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interviewed you off the air. We talked off the air,
we took a statement from you off the air, and
then you and Keegan are writing this book. Since then,
you've had some problems, some visits to your house. Can
you tell us about that?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
I can. So I was supposed to talk to Keegan
on the phone, a phone interview, and the night before
that interview was supposed to happen, I was sleeping and
a man fully covered I couldn't see anything, and he
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did have gloves on came into my bedroom and locked
himself in there with me. I did blackout, and I
was in and out and I remembered him laughing at me.
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And when that was all said and done, I discovered
that there was lead sprayed in like fourth spird rooms
of my house. There is a police report, and the
last I talked to the officer handling it, it was closed.
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And there's never been been a rest of my maid.
So that that was.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
What about bread in the rooms? It was just like,
what could it be around?
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I'm making an educated guest. I don't know because I've
not been told. It's just my assumption and I could
be wrong. My subject is that it is not human.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Okay, that's a good question. That was my question, was
an animal? Did they what did they tell you? Did
they test the blood?
Speaker 3 (39:36):
They did blood samples, right, But I never got word
on the blood. The only thing I did find out
out was the officer called me the same day and
he just did a quick field test on some of
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the samples, and he called to confirm that it was
in fact blood.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Okay, Well, that's interesting. How would you find out that quickly?
That's a bizarre I guess one of those blood alcohol
kind of tests you.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Can throw it in there, you know, Yeah, I mean
it was no DNA you know test. It was just
if it's blood or not. Basically, Yeah, that's interesting. And
and but I the way the blood was, it couldn't
have been from a cut. It was and too weird
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of angles. None of it was on the floor, just
on the walls.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So you think it was in a spray bottle and
the guy sprayed it on the walls.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
That part I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I mean that sounds like a reasonable well reasonable as
it could be, but yeah, it sounds like a logical.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
When you get into these areas, reason goes out the window. Now,
your other sister, the one who had a good childhood,
had a similar experience.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yes, well, well it's my sister from my adoptive mom
and my stepdad. It is their biological child. Okay, but
I was raised with her. She's my best friend, and
we only live about, I don't know, twenty minutes away
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from each other. And yes, six yeah, six months after mine,
she had a very similar experience. I mean, I'm going
to get into that a little bit, yeah, real quick.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Because we got about the twenty minutes for the whole
rest of the show.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
So okay, yeah, just essentially, her home was broken into,
she was not home, blood sprayed everywhere, police took you know,
bloody mop out of their bloody paper towels. There was
blood outside inside, and then oil all over her counter,
(41:58):
which we can't figure out where that came from. And
they were found and arrested. Thankfully. Oh really, And yes,
that's the only thing that's been good out of that.
And so she's in the middle of writing her victim
(42:18):
impact statement and it's due before the month is over.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, Well then, well wait a second, this is good
that we have some people we could talk to. Now
these two other people who are if two of them
were arrested, what's their age?
Speaker 3 (42:29):
And I think just one was arrested as far as
I know, and they they knew her.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It's someone they know. Yeah, okay, what was their motive
for doing this? Do we know that?
Speaker 4 (42:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (42:48):
We do not know.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
They just went crazy? Were they on drugs?
Speaker 3 (42:55):
No? I mean she was she was out of town
for a week and they broke in through her living
room window. And then because I was there with her
when she got back from town and when we walked in.
We just couldn't believe what we were looking at. And
(43:20):
the only difference between those two is that nothing was
taken from my home and she only had one thing
that was taken, and he pled guilty to petty larceny.
But we've still got no answers on the blood for
(43:41):
either one of our homes.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
You gotta get insistent with these cops, you know, especially
that case. There'll be a detective assigned to that other case,
and you can get them on the phone and make
them tell you. You know, you got to You gotta push
this stuff. Now. You mentioned that the man who was
in your home with a mask on you thought that
his voice was an African American voice? Was this guy
red did? Was he African American?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
No? He's not African American?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
No, okay, all right, And we have no idea what
his motive was for this?
Speaker 3 (44:11):
No idea.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Okay, did you know this man?
Speaker 3 (44:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Would he know where you live?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
The one who was arrested knows where you live. We
would know where you live.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
What about Samantha over there in San Francisco? Is she
any kind of similar? I know she lives in a
high security building, right, she does.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, she's behind gates and you need an access code
to get in, right. So, fortunately she has not had
anything like that. But she's going through her own legal
battles right now that I can't talk about because it's
still in the process.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oh something where she's in trouble or someone else gonna problem.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
No, she's not in trouble.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
Okay, all right, Well that's good to hear. Okay, good
old Samantha. Okay, all right, now, is is there anything
in this story that I've left out that I haven't
asked you?
Speaker 3 (45:09):
I guess just for just to make things a little
bit more interesting, because it gets even weirder. Okay, we'll
just say this and I if we want to get
technical here, I have four dads, which is a very
interesting thing. And you said something in the opening that
(45:33):
I heard, and I just wanted to say real quick,
my email was hacked and my phone was hacked at
the time of my break in.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
How do you know How do you know that?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Well, my account, my email account. I was getting emails
letting me know that I had been compromised. I could
not access my account, and they kept sending me email
telling me that I hadn't change my information that they
were going to shut it down, so I have no
(46:10):
further access to my email. So I had to get
another email, and my phone was hacked. I dealt with
it through Apple and I received a case member and
they were hacked into my iCloud.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Okay, so let's start with the email account. That was
a Gmail account.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
It was Yahoo and I was part of that big
breach okay, back back in when yeah, maybe fourteen fifteen,
and I just completely lost access to my whole email.
So that was pretty terrible.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
And with the phone, what was going on with the
phone that came to the conclude that your phone was hacked?
Speaker 3 (47:06):
I feel like there was just too many weird things
going on with my phone that wasn't making sense. I
would walk in front of electronics and that electronic would
react to my phone, or my phone would react to
that electronic, and it was just acting really strange, and
(47:28):
I just it was like there was too many coincidence
like coincidences going on. And I found out first that
I had some apps on my phone that I didn't
put on there, and that's kind of where it all started.
(47:49):
And then I was able to get the hackers out, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
What were the apps of.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
The phone dragging app?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Okay? And do you have any suspects in mind who
might have done that?
Speaker 3 (48:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Okay. Do you have no idea ever any occasion where
someone else will be holding your phone and say can
I borrow your phone and use your phone?
Speaker 3 (48:20):
I mean certainly that's happened.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
All right. So you have the incident with your phone
being hacked and the email account, and then of course
these incidents here with the with the with the home
break ins. So now do you believe this is related
to your coming public with just with these stories and
the freemasons and stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
I'm I'm I'm torn on it. I want to say
I'm in denial and say no, it's just random, but
I don't, you know, I can't say that everything's just
random because there's one other things that have happened that
also have police support attached to them, and just it's
(49:08):
been pretty relentless for the last couple of years now, I.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Believe when we talked yet, but also too, you're going
through some divorce litigation, right, I am, because could any
of this be related to that?
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Absolutely not. This My divorce is fairly new, okay, And
we're actually not divorced. We are separated since July of seventeen,
so it's pretty fresh, okay.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
And now with your sister's childhood was equally bizarre as yours,
but even more so in many ways because she had
this contact with John Marcarr, which was like nine years old,
and then she went and contacted him and they developed
a friendship over the phone. He tried to recruit her
into a cult. Did she have any of these similar
(50:05):
satanic issues that you believe you had.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Not specifically by her parents. No. And one other thing
about John Mark Carr, he taught at her right, her
her exclusive private school. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
A teacher's a day when she was like nine years old, yes, right.
And then she contacted him though when she was like
nineteen or eighteen, and then he started trying to get
her to recruit little girls like John Benet Ramsay type
little girls to be in a cult, whether he would.
Speaker 3 (50:47):
Lead, Yes, I have. I did see her interview years
ago on the Today Show, and I have to say
I almost fainted because it was it was one you know,
it's a wild story. And then to see your sister
on National TV, You're like, whoa, you know, well, did
(51:08):
you listen.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Did you ever listen to the Did you ever listen
to the interview that we did?
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
I got a sentence. I'll send it to your right
after the show. We should have put it on. I
should have sent it to you before I figure. I
figured they did. I'll send it to you right after
the show. It's just a lot in this story that's
is exclusive to this interview, that that no one's heard before.
It's just one thing after another with.
Speaker 3 (51:31):
Her, you know it is. It is.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Because she was also communicating with these death Row inmates.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yes, the one from.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Poly Class, and a lot of people believe that whole
poly Class story. There's a lot more involved there than
then that's in the public.
Speaker 3 (51:48):
And yes, there's there's it always goes deeper, right.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Right, And I believe even if if you google poly
Class and John Mark car there's even a third connection
between the two of them. So you know, wow, yeah,
oh yeah, there's a lot of a lot, a lot
of bizarre stuff throughout this whole thing. But with Melinda
Chalma and her book's gonna be when do you think
the book will be out?
Speaker 3 (52:17):
You know, we just don't. We don't know. We are
we are really trying. We are trying because we between
all my issues, there's we're we there's still some people
alive that we need to talk about. We just you know,
(52:37):
because my brother and I don't communicate anymore. So at
first I had full permission to use his name and everything,
and so that completely changed. And then with my my
biological father, that was absolute nightmare talking to him and
getting the DNA test. His wife is just pure evil,
(53:02):
I'll just say that. So it's just been it's really
been a nightmare trying to get this on.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Now, what about the father who was the freemason? The
adopted father was a freemason. Have you guys done any
investigation into him, like a really thorough investigation, like uh,
business history and newspaper records and things like that, besides
just a cursory Google like a Nexus Lexis type of searches.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
I believe he there somewhere there is paperwork of all
of his phony businesses, but I don't know where. I
don't know whose hands it's been or if it's even
still around to this day.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
What about like a newspaper archives and stuff, if you
will do that.
Speaker 3 (54:02):
I have not no. He he lived kind of all
over southern California, So that would be a pretty difficult
task to track down all of that. I feel like,
and we've done a lot of tracking down. We've we've
found a lot of people already, and I think we're
(54:22):
kind of a little burnt out on our own little investigation.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I hear you, I hear you, But I say, I know.
His case isn't that old though, It's only about twenty
five years old. So there would be like lexus sexist,
you know, docu searches. There would be a lot of
stuff available on him that you wouldn't even have to
get into like microfilm and go down to the library.
So there would be a lot there which would be
interesting to find out this guy's associations, who he was
(54:50):
friends with, who he was in cahoots with. Did you
but his ex wife she's still alive, you said, right,
am I correct?
Speaker 3 (54:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's that's my Yeah, you know,
to this day.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
Does she talk to does she say, yeah, he was
friends with this guy, he was friends with that guy?
Does she have a list of names he was friends
with and associated with?
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, and I remember his associates. But kind of out
of a little bit of fear. I don't know, you
know how comfortable I would be at all saying their names.
Speaker 1 (55:26):
Out loud, But I'm just saying that you have you
looked into their backgrounds though, and seeing that there's any
kind of nefarious activities I have not. Okay, Yeah, that's
where I would go with all this. So, Melinda Chrauma,
just about out of time? How do you want to
leave us? And do you want to make yourself available
for people to contact you if they know anything about
(55:47):
the story.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
Oh yeah, that's totally fine. Yeah, I guess what I'd
like to leave it on is the main reason we
want to get book done and get it out there
is to possibly help other adopted children who maybe have
(56:10):
had a not easy time. And I think just to
just to finally get you know, our our story out there,
because we are, you know, weird. A lot of people
don't understand us, and I think it I think it'd
(56:31):
be really good to to clear the air and let
people understand us a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
And how can people contact you?
Speaker 3 (56:41):
They can? They can contact me via Facebook.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
Facebook. So it's Melinda Truma M A L I N
D A C H O M A. And just look
for the prettiest one, because there's a couple of them,
but it's the prettiest one and that's the one we're
talking to today. Melinda, thank you so much. If anything
comes up, shoot me an email and we'll get you
right back on you here.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
Okay, sound great.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
And later on, Toady, I'm gonna send you an interview
with the Samantha.
Speaker 3 (57:04):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Thank you, thank you so much. Okay, Well, they got
Melinda Choma. She's the biological sister of Samantha Spiegel, and
you got to go back into the membery section and
check out that whole Samantha Spiegel then, by the Samantha
Spigel is another gorgeous one, both to incredibly to the
genes in that family. I never saw the third one.
I'd like to get a picture of her for these
two are beautiful. The Samantha Spiegel story is just fascinating because, uh,
(57:33):
it's like a she she talks about herself like this
statutory rate throughout her whole life, you know, with all
these teachers and then John Mark Carr getting involved her
and she had a get a restraining order against him
and then came out in the public and then she
was victimized by celebrities on top of that which was
targeted uh and victimized by them. The fascinating stuff, Samantha Spegel,
(57:54):
So thank you so much, Melinda Choma. Okay, and check
her out and keep an eye out for that book
coming out with Linda Choma. One more thing when we're
talking to about the adoption process and the adoption situation
is I've had done shows in the past, if you
just google that operament adoption. We've done several shows on
the gaping holes in the adoption process in this country.
(58:21):
And secondary adoptions are even worse that, especially with these
overseas adoptions, where parents in this country obtain these children
from overseas with sometimes very little paperwork whatsoever, and they
get them here in this country, you know, and then
they can't handle them, and they try to rehome these
kids and they basically just market them on the internet
(58:43):
to be given away to the highest bidder whatever comes along.
And in that case there's even less paperwork. They just
sign over a power of attorney. You go to a bank,
you sign a power of attorney. I give this an
other person power of attorney over my child to take them
to the doctor. And take them to school and that's it,
and then they're gone forever. No one knows what happens
to these kids. There's no oversight, there's no follow up
(59:04):
or investigation or you know, monitoring whatsoever. And it's just
a horrific situation what we're doing with adoptions in this country.
It really is the most precious commodity we have in
this country, and we just treating like a even less
than pets.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (59:22):
Because anyway, if you enjoyed this show, check out Oppermanreport
dot com. We have more in a member section. We
have that Samantha Spiegel show, who was the girlfriend John
Marcore had to get a restraining order against him. That's
in our members section at Oppermanreport dot com. I can
give you a discount if you contact me directly at
Oppermanreport at gmail dot com. I'll give you thirteen months
(59:43):
or sixty bucks. We'll use PayPal directly and you save
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