Alan R. Warren: Above Suspicion: The True Story of Serial Killer Russell Williams

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(02:02):
He's the author of the book Above Suspicion, The True
Story of serial killer Russell Williams. Alan has a website
somethingweirdmedia dot com. Seems to fit right in for our show.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Okay, and Alan, are you there?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Hey, thank you so much. Man, I'm really excited about this.
Tell us about yourself first before we get into your book,
Above Suspicion, The True Story of serial killer Russell Williams.
Tell us about Alan R.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Warren, Well, what can I tell you? I've been working
at different radio stations for a while. You know, I
worked at a couple of music radio stations as a DJ,
did some and I do the True Crime report for
kfn X in Phoenix and just starting in Seattle now

(02:54):
at KKNW, And I've been writing in the True Crime
Case Ils magazine as well.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
And you live it up in Seattle, right.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, I have a place in Seattle and a place
up north in Canada actually as well.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Yeah. I was gonna ask you, how did you get
involved in this Canadian story because this guy, Russell Williams,
he's from Canada.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, Well what happened was, I'm sort of like Ted Cruz,
but I always say I'm nice because I was born
to an American mother in Canada, so I've had a
lot of my young life was in both countries. I
would go back and forth between Vancouver and Seattle, so
I was very exposed to Canadian culture as well as

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Russell Williams. So that's how I found out.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
So you were falling us in the news.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
What was going on sort of? You know, with the
Russell Williams one, it was kind of sidelined. It wasn't
as main of news as the Scarborough rapist because that
was going on the same time, and then Paul Bernardo,
who got convicted of that, had a much bigger name.
You know, he killed his sister in law who was

(04:10):
thirteen and did all these terrible things, so it was
kind of more headlined for me than Russell Williams was
at the time.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, you mentioned the Bernardo case, and that thing was
incredible that he and his wife killed his wife's little
sister and then she put on his little sister's clothes, right,
that's right.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, So dad had so many bizarre parts to it
and it was really the focus. And then of course
Russell Williams didn't get caught until later, so you know,
the Bernardo thing just kept going. And then you find
out about the little sister and then how they filmed
it before she before they killed her, but they filmed
the rape. It was you know, it was just really strange.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
And she's out right yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, you know, well Canadian crime she got see, she
turned evidence against him, and so they give her a deal.
So they let her out after you know what ten
years or something, and he's away for life. So they
let her out and give her a whole new identity

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and let her get on with her life and now
she's remarried and has kids.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Incredible. Okay, Now, now before getting ready for the show, I,
you know, I google who's this guy Russell Williams. I
never heard of him, you know. I google the name
of the book actually above Suspicion The True Story of
Sarah Killer Russell Williams. And first thing I find is
a YouTube on YouTube and they got a two and
a half hour confession of this guy being interrogated and interrogated.

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But it's really polite police officer in Canada.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
He's a cheremy.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Guy, you know, and he's just going along. At the
first ten minutes of this video, this guy, Russell Williams
is just not an his head and a green with
everything that comes out, you know, yep, yep, yeah, riveting,
riveting stuff. Man. So everybody, I recommend everybody listening to
the show right now to check out YouTube and this
this two and a half hour confession by Russell Williams.

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So who is this guy Russell Williams?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Tell me about Well, Russell Williams. At the time he
got arrested, he happened to be in charge of Trenton
Air Force Base, which is Canada's primary and major base.
So what I mean by that is it's the base
that trains sends all of their people that go to

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war like Afghanistan, anywhere that there's problems. That's their war base.
You might say, if Canada is involved in some sort
of conflict, it comes from that base. And he was
put in charge of that. So he became the commanding officer,
the wing officer, And it was quite a quite a
big move for him because as he came from very

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small beginnings. His parents were immigrants. They came over in
the sixties and they worked in the new His dad
worked in the nuclear plant in Toronto and nuclear research.
He was a metallurst and so he had a humble beginnings.

(07:24):
It wasn't like he came from lots of money, but
he had a really strange upbringing. You know, if we
talk about his parents, because they came over from Britain.
He was born in Britain, came over with his parents
and his brother, and at the same time another nuclear

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scientist came over from Czechoslovakia. And because they were both
new to to the neighborhood and both working in the
same job, the fathers became good friends. Being immigrants, and
they would hang out together all the time, and by
the time Russell was six, the parents had swapped wives.

(08:07):
Get out of here, you know, now, this is really
crazy for the sixties in the nineteen sixties. How does
you know it's not something Originally apparently they were involved
in a swingers club that was in town, and it
was kind of underground because it was a fairly conservative city.

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A lot of military lived there, and so they belonged
to a private swingers club. They would send all the
kids to one house and have one babysit or take
care of them all, and they would go and do
their swinging, okay, and so this went on for a while.
But what happened was Russell's mother found out that her husband,

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his father, had actually fallen in love with his other wife.
So she picked the kids up and left and filed
for divorce. And that was a huge controversy back then
in the sixties. You know, it just wasn't going on.
So they separated, divorced, and she took the kids and

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moved to Toronto, the big city, and he stayed with
the new girl. And there was so much negative press
that they decided to move to New York for a
different job that he took, but they didn't last a
year and they broke up.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
So what do you think, because you know, we were
talking off the air a little bit, do you think
that living under those kind of conditions with his parents,
that maybe he was ever molested as a kid or
something like that.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, you know, that was interesting because when I was
going through all of this, I thought, you know, you know,
I'm roughly the same age as him, and I'm thinking,
in the sixties, if my parents sort of split up
and taken the neighbors, each other's spouse and done all that,
then all of the talk could you mentione the talk
around town and you go to school, and it would

(10:04):
have been pretty devastating. So what I did was I
approached a couple of psychiatrists and psychologists, and one was
Diane Emerson who was writing Psychopaths in Your Lives and
she's been all over the place, and I give her
all the details. And at first I was thinking from
what he ended up doing later in his life with
all the different women and how he used to torture

(10:26):
them and do all these things, I was thinking, I
wonder if he was abused or if this was something
that happened between that split up. Now, her view was
this is probably a behavior that he learned from his father.
It's not that he was abused himself, but he saw
his father abusing his mother and also probably wearing woman's clothing.

(10:52):
He learned that behavior because he's considered a sociopath and
he mimics. So what they do is at a very
young age, at four, five and six, they learned to
mimic behavior because they don't feel the same way as
we do. They don't have empathy like at the you know,
a dog's dying on the road or someone's hurt. It's
not like they feel, oh my god, I'm sad or sorry.

(11:13):
They just copy what other people do around them, you know,
learn how to cry, learn how to be upset, but
they don't really feel it the same.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Now was Russell Williams Did he wear women's clothing?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah, that's what we didn't know this, okay, But what
he started doing was he started he would break in
people's houses, or he would sneak in someone's house and
he would steal He would go to the woman's room
and steal the woman's undergarments and he would wear them

(11:45):
and that was kind of the first sign of anything,
not that you know, originally we didn't know this. This
is something we found out after the fact. But yeah,
he started he had this need to wear women's clothing,
and so that was the kind of the first you know,
there's something going on here.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Now, just a quick question, was he wearing the women's
clothing in the house where he was stealing it or
would he steal and take it back to his own
house and put it on both.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Okay, see when he because when he started doing the
break in, he would go into the house, he would
go directly to the girl's bedrooms where it was girls,
the wife, whoever female lived in the house, and he
would go through their drawers and if he felt comfortable
in the house, he would take off all of his

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clothes and then he would put on the girl's clothes.
And how we know this for a fact is what
he did was he brought a camera and a camcorder
in with him to the house. He would set up
the camcorder at the end of the bed and he
would go into the girl's clothing. He would take take
off his and he would try on their panties and

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braw lay on the bed and it would all be
on film. And he would also do shots, like take
pictures with his camera, and he would he would do
an array of outfits. It wasn't just one, and then
some of them he decided. I guess he liked them
so much he would put them in his bag and
take him with them home.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
And do we know what age you started doing this?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
No, And see that's something we don't know. We really
don't know. You know, where he went wrong, I guess
if you want to call it that, or where this
behavior started to become, We really don't know. We just
we kind of know roughly in two thousand and seven

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where it started, where we actually have evidence of it.
And that's that's all we do know. And you know,
and I have to say, what we do know is
from two thousand and seven to ten when he was convicted,
he was convicted, he had broken into eighty eight homes.
For sure. He had over eight hundred pairs of undergondars

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in his house of different females. He also stole their vibrators,
He stole their nineties, their bathing suits, pictures of them,
everything he could. I mean, it started out simple, with
just panties and panties and bras, but it slowly went
worked its way up to you know, even dresses. He

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was taking their dresses by the end of it.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Good thing I started before he got the coats, right, Yeah,
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
The thing is he was elevating. It started out with
what we know, with just the minor stuff. But you
know it again, we don't know where it starts. And
it's behavior like that doesn't turn on you aren't forty
years old and you go, you know what, I'm going
to break into my neighbor's house and steal the white's panties.
You know, it's not something that you just do at forty.

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Where it starts, we don't know. And I have to
say that as well, because these break ins, he was
so good at them. He barely got reported. He was
breaking into places like there was like two hundred break
ins and maybe fifteen percent of them got reported because

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he was so good at covert. He would get in,
do his little thing, take it and leave. You know.
Example is the very first one that we found out about,
and this is from the filming that he did himself.
Was his neighbors and they were called the Murdochs, and
they had a twelve year old girl, and she used

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to bake in muffins and they spent a lot of
time together as family. And you know, so the Murdoch's
stepmother was sick so they had to go away the weekend.
He would break go into their house and wear all
the clothes, do all these things every single day they
were gone, come and then take panties and clothes. They

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would come back and they wouldn't even know it. In fact,
he would go over and talk to them and not
the wiser of it.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Now, did he have some kind of military training to
do this kind of a surveillance and expionage and break
into places?

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Not any more than normal. I mean, I'm not trying
to say put him down, but I'm just saying he
was just a normal officer. He was obviously quite good
because he moved up through the ranks. You know, he
worked himself up to, you know, a commanding officer of
an Air Force base that had thousands of people he
was in charge of. He was also in charge of

(16:34):
He's the guy that when Queen Elizabeth came, he was
the one in charge of her whole tour. So he
would fly her to all the different cities and so
he you know, there's tons of pictures of him and
you can see it in the book and online of
him with the Queen standing side by side. And he
also flew the Minister of Defense, and he also all

(16:56):
the dignitaries and even the Americans like their High ministers
or their high officers. I would say, would he is
the one that escorted comes throughout Canada.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, also Prince Philip too, it says in the description
of a Princeville from the Government General and the Prime
Minister of Canada. So yeah, he was an elevated guy,
you know, and especially when you think because to be
in charge at his base that was doing all the
training where they were sending guys Afghanistan and stuff like that.
Like the Canadian Air Force is only like five hundred planes,

(17:27):
the whole Canadian Air Force. You can look it up.
They don't have a you know, it's like America, you
got five hundred planes on one base.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
You know, it's like, well, yeah, I mean the Canadians,
I mean they have a very well trained outfit and
it's quite good. But it's small. And the reason it's
small is because it's on the border with the US.
You have to realize that they can be the way
they are because they have the US attached to it.

(17:55):
It's not like Australia or England where you're sort of
on your own at a distance. You're like right beside.
So I think they don't have as much you know, military,
and they're not as they're not a military nation. That's
just the way it is. But they're very well trained people.
They're very well respected, so I don't think, you know,
And for me, I thought, well, he's very well trained.

(18:17):
But I had to, you know, you speak to his
commanding officer, the one that put him in charge, who's
now retired, and he even he said he had no idea.
He still questions that today he still doesn't know how
to handle the idea that he approved him for this.
And so so it's you know, and again I talked
to the psychiatrist, and I talked to him about, well,

(18:39):
how did he get through the evaluations? How would he
pass all of these mental tests, you know, to become
you know, such a high classification. And they said, because
most of the tests are done and conducted on people
that are in prison, and so they created the psychologue

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tests from people that are you know, they've been put away.
And so what I'm basically saying is anybody that's as
smart as he was can easily walk through these tests.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Okay, you said earlier that did he had broken into
eighty eight homes and stolen panties and stuff, right, and
then he would take that and categorize it, right, he
would he would look, I had a catalog, and that
it was itemized.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah. He actually he started He had several bags at home,
like tote bags. I will say, and I carry bags,
you know, you might you and I might take it
for trip traveling somewhere, throw our basic luggage in for
an overnighter or something. He had several of those at home,
and he started putting them in categories. Now I can't

(19:52):
really identify what these categories meant to him. We don't really,
we can't decide on the operation of his mind. So,
and they didn't really seem to have any like it
wasn't like twelve year old girls or forty or blondes
or brunettes. He didn't have any sort of pattern. But
he had. He had them. He had them in groups

(20:14):
for some reason, all throughout his house, all throughout the
laundry room and he took pictures of everything. He was meticulous,
and he put them all on his computer.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Well yeah, how many pictures? It was like three thousand
pictures and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Right, yeah, oh yeah it was. There was just an
endless amount. And now this is what this is what's
really unique. He put it all on his He shared
a Mac laptop computer with his wife, and on that
he had it all filed and all desktopped and cataloged

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as as some of them he had under the dates.
Some of them he had under the person that he
he stole them from, and somewhat was just generic, don't
We don't know what that. Maybe he didn't like those
panties as good. I don't know. But he had all
these different files on the desktop and I'm all done.

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And so that led to problems later with the wife
because this led to several lawsuits after he was convicted.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Okay, before we get to the wife. I was definitely
nice about the wife. I already wrote that down. But
you got to think, if it's just just these eighty
eight houses alone he's breaking into, he's in there for
a period of time doing it whatever he's doing in there,
posing taking pictures of himself, take stuff back. Then he's
had a cattle corse of the cat. Then you know
he's pulling this stuff out and he's playing with himself

(21:42):
back at home. Okay, because this is what the guy's into.
Where does he have time to do anything else in
his life?

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, he didn't. He did nothing else in his life.
He he got this second cottage that that's where he
kind of did all of this covert work from I
guess you would say headquarters. And all he did was
go to work Monday to Friday. He'd do a shift
and get back home and all he did was play

(22:11):
and take pictures. That was his life. He had nothing
else because his wife just so you know, she was
an associate executive director of the Heart and Stroke Foundation
out of Toronto or Ottawa, and so she was a
very busy person and she was gone all the time.
So they had no kids. This is all he did there.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
What was their relationship like, well, you know, from what.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
We can find out, they were quite happy, like and
talking to all the different neighbors of their home in
Ottawa as well as on Tweed, all of their neighbors
thought they were the best. They were like they I
got comments like they were like the ultimate power couple.
They were super nice people, do anything for you. She

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was in charge of responsibility with the Heart and Stroke Foundation.
She was very caring. He was very quiet. Everybody said
that he's very quiet. They would come over and join
the neighbors. Intact, their neighbors always had coffee out on
their deck, and all the neighbors hung out and would
talk about, you know, things going on, and it was
a very close, happy community, and they all thought, you know,

(23:24):
these are great people. They loved them. There was none
of them said anything bad, so you know they were
good neighbors.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
But just think he would have to be quiet. What else,
what do you have to talk about? Yeah, the only
thing on his mind.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Was looking back at that.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, it just blows your mind. Do we know anything
about what their their their sex life was like between
the wife.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
And him, No, I mean that's that's questionable. They were
together almost twenty years, no kids, no kids, but they
had nineteen years of it seemed like a normal married couple.
They both worked good jobs, they both did all the

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things right. Their house was always clean, and in fact,
even the neighbors said that he was very affectionate. He
would he would get his wife a drink. He would
always be asking her if she's okay, or do you
need a drink? Let me get you this, Let me
get you that. He would hold chairs at old doors.
She would come home from her trip. They said he'd

(24:29):
be out there carrying her luggage in even after fifteen
years at that time of marriage. So he was very
attentive to her.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Okay, But now what about will this material lying around
the house though? You know what I mean? Was this
under her nose? What do you think?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Well, you know what. This is the question because not
only did they share that laptop, and he had all
these pictures on there. So let's just say maybe she
never got on the computer, okay, but all of the stuff.
When the police did their raid and finally were searching
all of the rooms, he had bags of all these

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women's clothing, see you. So you would open up a
bag and they would find that, say, twelve pairs of panties,
six bras, a nighty baiting suit. Then they would have
then there would be a couple of pictures of him
wearing them. In the same bag. There would be pictures
of the bed. See, he would break into the house
take pictures of the bed, take pictures of the dressers.

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He would go to their laundry room, take pictures of
their washer and dryer, and even take dirty clothes out
of the dirty clothes bin and wear those and take pictures.
And then he would wear them on the bed and
take take more film. And he was doing all these
bizarre things. But he had all of the stuff he
collected was all open. None of it was hidden. You know.

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It was all in the laundry room and closets and
dressers and all throughout the house. They didn't have to
search deep for anything. So what did she know? Yeah,
let's just say she didn't know. He obviously wasn't scared

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that she would find it because all she has to
do is go in the laundroyom, go open a closet
and you see a bag full of panties and pictures
of your husband in panties. Wouldn't that kind of raise
a question, like when you kind of go, hello, what's this?
But he wasn't scared of that, otherwise he would have
had it all hidden somewhere.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, was she questioned about this?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah? You see the thing is she she was questioned,
and she said she had no idea, and her official
statements she's never done a press interview, refuses to but
her official statement to the press, but she had no idea,
her husband was this monster, and she had that. That
was her official statement. She left it at that. She

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refuses to talk. But several lawsuits have come up and
the court has held her as being responsible. So so
in a way, similly, she's been convicted of it, but
not criminally.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Did she have to testify on civil trials or deposition?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes, and again everything that we have on that she
completely denies. It. Has no idea, never knew, never ever
saw anything, and he was always the best husband.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Interesting in the interrogation what you could find on YouTube,
he seems most concerned about the police back at his
house tearing the house apart because his wife just got
that house and she loves that house. It's something to
that effect that she's the part in his wife's beautiful house. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
So what do you make of that?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Well, you see that that that's another tie in, because
you know when he first went in and he was
really smug at the beginning, you know, he was kind
of like, you know, he was a wise ass in
a way. He was thinking that the way he acted,
he was chewing gum, he had his arms crossed, he
was kind of you know whatever, you know, And even

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the detectives said, have you ever been interviewed by the
police before, And he goes, well, just intelligence, you know,
I have got security clearance. You know. He was he
was real blah blah blah. And then of course they
asked as it slowly broke down and they started bringing
out the evidence, the shoe prints, the tire prince, the blood,
all this stuff that they actually had, and he would

(28:34):
not give up until he was coned, you know, until
he was sure that they wouldn't embarrass the wife, right,
wouldn't you know, But I'll you know what else. So
so he gives them the evidence, tells him he acts
all over the house and tells tells him where the
one body was that he buried. And then so they

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go to the house with the man's and the and
the CSI of Canada and they say, okay, we're going
to search through the house. And they give the wife
the notice so she can get her stuff and kind
of leave, and she does. And then so they do
the whole search, get all the evidence and all this
and then she sues the police for scratching her hardwood floor.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
You know, it's kind of not the response you would expect.
I mean, if you were at the wife at home
and all of a sudden the police come and they're
going to search the home. Your husband's been arrested for
two murders, you know, a couple of rapes and all
this other stuff. First of all, you're going to be
totally in shocked, right if you didn't know, and you

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would be totally devastated, you would not the next day
or two decide that, well, they scratched my floors. And
then she in her lawsuits, she didn't want them just fixed,
restand it. She wanted them totally replaced.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
Oh really, So is that quick that that she sued.
That's interesting. It's interesting that she would even find a
lawyer that would take that case.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, I guess she probably had a lawyer already. I
don't know just but it just was not something And
I think this is part of what caused a lot
of people to believe that she knew more than she
led on. She wasn't. She wasn't in shock, she wasn't
like devastated. She wasn't acting like a person that way.

(30:29):
I'm not a pro, but I'm telling you that's the
last thing I would be thinking about.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Didn't he say something too, that there might be some
blood splatter on that floor? Because did he kill somebody
inside the house? No?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, he did, actually did he did? He the second
murder victim that he got convicted. That's what we know
because as we were talking earlier about the Paul Lenardo
and his case both happening at the same time in
the same area. They were both in the same class together, economics.

(31:01):
So there's just so much going on, and they both
had the same profile of girls and the same torturing
and rape and killing that went on. So and in fact,
Paul Bernardo's lawyer has since the William's conviction, had said
a lot of these cases that were thrown on to
Bernardo were not done by him, but were in fact
done by Williams. And so there's kind of am we

(31:25):
don't know, But we do know that the second victim,
who was her name was Jessica Lloyd, he actually had
her see this is what he would do. He actually
broke into that girl's house, tied her up, took tons
of pictures, raped her and kept her alive for a
long period of time, and he actually took her back

(31:46):
to his house, tied her up in the basement, and
then would go to work, then come back and continue
his assault, and he eventually killed her at his house.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
And his wife on a trip.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, yeah, and and actually yeah, well you know who knows.
But and you know, there's something else really really amazing
to that particular case, because what he did was so
he has this girl in uh, tied up and dad
he goes to another neighbor, Larry Jones, who likes to hunt,

(32:28):
and he's all dressed up in his hunting outfit and
he goes over to the neighbor and said, oh, so
you'd like going hunting, And the neighbor said, you know,
Larry Jones said, well, yeah, I go partridge hunting all
the time. All this partridge around here. He answers, yeah,
where's your camp? Where do you go hunting? And of
course Larry Jones tells him why, I go down and
give him the description of where it was. And so

(32:50):
that's fine, fair enough, and then all of a sudden it
gets where they find the girl gets where he dumped her,
where Larry Jones was doing his hunting. You know, he
actually tried to set up his neighbor.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Oh, get it, I didn't even put that together. I
thought you were saying that he just came up with
a dump spot just on the fly there. But no,
you're right. He was trying to set up the neighbor.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
And in fact, he went even further. When the neighbor
goes hunting, he comes back, breaks into the neighbor's shop,
steals a jacket, a pair of gloves, something out, some
other little He grabbed three little things from that guy's house,
from his workshop, takes it back and dumps it with
the body. So this Larry Jones comes back home, goes, well,

(33:37):
who broke into my shop? And he's worried about all
of this expensive tools, goes in there. None of it's
been taken. Instead, it's an old jacket that his dog
used to sleep in, pair of gloves which he used
to wear working, and of course has his blood and
prints in it. So he actually went out of his
way to try and set up his neighbor, And in fact,

(33:57):
his neighbor did get arrested, and the neighbor did have
his house searched.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Because they suspected he was an accomplice.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, because well they expected they thought he was the
one that did it. This is before they even suspected
Williams the colonel. Okay, they actually because they find all
this evidence that links it to the neighbor, and so
they take him in for questioning. Now, one girl that
was assaulted and raped as she had blindfolds on and

(34:26):
so she only heard her attacker. So they asked her
to listen to this neighbor's voice and she thought, yeah,
it could be him. So they thought it was the
neighbor right all along there. They weren't even interested in Williams.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
This is incredible. I got to say too. By the way,
I was looking on Amazon and every single review of
this book is like a five star review. I think
it's a one hundred five star reviews. And you might
be a great writer, but I think it's a story too.
I think a story alone.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Know what, it's all the story. It's not my writing.
I think I think I'm I'm just an average writer.
I don't. I'm nothing. I just but I take the
facts and I just sort of put it from my
point of view. I like putting in perspectives from other
things just to kind of bring it down. I like
to talk about that, but no, I you know, it's

(35:20):
it's not me, it's just the story is. It's interesting
because there's so many turns, you know that, like him
setting up the neighbor and how it all sort of
falls into place. But that in itself makes you kind
of go, listen, it can happen to you. You know.
You always hear about conspiracies and things like that, all

(35:40):
these things and you kind of go, no, there's too
much of a coincidence and all this. But no, and
in fact, you want to hear even more. One more
thing about the neighbor. Yeah, okay, So the neighbor's son
worked at Sears. Okay, so this this son was contacted
by this victor, you know, Jessica Lloyd, who was murdered

(36:04):
because her pump, water pump wasn't working in the house
or something. So the neighbor calls So the son calls
up the neighbor, Larry Jones, can you go next door
to Jessica Lloyd's house and fix her pump, her heat
pump or whatever was not working. So he goes over
and does all this stuff, fixes it for no money
comes back, so his prints are all over the girl's

(36:24):
house that gets murdered too.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Oh that's interesting, but he's been cleared.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Though he's cleared now, but that doesn't you know what
he's still he was. It was jaded for three years.
This man was considered to be rapist and a murderer
and was really slammed, like really put down and everybody
because you know, once the media gets on and they think, okay,

(36:51):
this is the person, and it kind of goes all
over the papers and everybody thinks, oh, you know he
was there. People wouldn't talk to him. Everybody ignored him,
people spit at him, people hated him. He became. It ruined,
it really did. It really ruined his life in that community.

(37:13):
You can't you can't get that back. So it's it's
it's it's amazing how Williams got away with it. But
it's sad because this this poor guy did nothing but
live and hunt and and was just a normal neighbor
that did really nothing wrong. All of a sudden he

(37:33):
got put on trial and it had nothing to do
with him. All he was doing was trying fixing his
neighbor's water pump and hunting and he gets put on trial.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
And you know how these true crime forms are, you know,
these amateur conspiracy theorists. There's probably people still at that
point in the thing with this guy. You know, even
if this other guy's confessed everything. Let's take a commercial
break right now, Okay with them?

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Alan R.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
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(43:17):
is above Suspicion, the True story of serial killer Russell Williams,
and Alan got a website called something weirdmedia dot com,
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it out, because this guy's got a lot of interesting
stuff going on. What do you make back to the confession,
what do you make of his story seemed to crumble

(43:38):
fall apart early on. He had no accounting for his whereabouts.
He didn't seem concerned without either for his wife or
his boss or anybody. At one time, he was even
claiming that he was at work and had that key
card entry card thing. He made no attempt even to
account for his whereabouts. Why do you think a guy
like this, he's a smart guy. Why didn't he get
a lawyer? Why don't you drop out and say, well,

(44:00):
don't what I'm going to touch a lawyer?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
You know, that's that's been asked a lot. I really don't.
I don't know what his motivation was, because he did
a lot of things wrong. Uh. First, first of all,
you know how they what they did was when the
second girl was missing, they set up a roadblock and
we're asking people, you know, as they stopped and asked

(44:24):
them if they, you know, knew anybody or saw anything
weird around the area. It was just a typical roadblock.
It happened to be a day that he was driving
the truck that he did when he went and raped
and killed her. So they had a tire print beside

(44:45):
her house and it matched, so they took note of it,
and that's what why they called him in. So he
came in for the interview. And it seemed really strange
that I think that he didn't. I think he thought
he was above it. I think he thought he was
too smart and he didn't seem to be challenged. He wasn't,

(45:12):
you know, it's hard to say. He went in with
a big ego and until they started bringing up the
evidence of look, you know, here's your tire print. And
they also asked him if they could take his shoeprint.
And it's strange that he would go into the interrogation
wearing his zac same pair of shoes that he committed
the murderer, and they had his footprints, like he went

(45:32):
into the house and when he attacked her, and he
also dragged her out of the house and took her home,
but his shoes. He walked all through the blood, he
made a big mess, and he left his prints all over.
It's almost like he thought he would never get caught.
He didn't seem to cover his tracks, he didn't try

(45:54):
to clean up after he went to a house and
assaulted his victim. He just did it and left. And
I cannot answer that.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
What about where they said that one of the victims,
I believe her name was colemas okay, yeah, okay, yeah, comb,
that she had written things on her computer that she
had an interest in him, a romantic interest.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
What do you know, well, no, actually what it was
for she she had actually she was a corporal and
worked on the base and she was one of the
people that flew with him and in some of the
you know where he was flying around dignitaries. She actually
was one of the ones that flew for our prime

(46:42):
minister at the time in Canada, down and around the
world and came back. Thing. So she was she was
in the team, and she thought that Williams had an
interest in her, but she wasn't interested in him. And
so that's, you know, the bizarre thing about that is

(47:02):
for some reason he selected her and he he would
he would like he went to her house ahead of
time when she was gone flying. The Prime Minister broke
into the basement and he would go through the house
before he you know, of a victim, and he would
make sure there was no man living there. So he
would go through the drawers, the bathrooms and stuff to

(47:24):
make sure she didn't have a boyfriend that was in
and out, and then he'd come back when she was home,
break in and do his thing so with her too.
He even wrote eulogy and talked at her funeral.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh my god. But that's an important point to make.
There is a lot of times, especially single women, they'll
come home and they'll think, you know, I think someone's
been in my house things and moved around, you know something,
maybe someone broken. If you think that, go out, get
a dog, you know, and go out and change her.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
He's proved that over one hundred times. Oh my god,
because you've got to think that all just of the ones,
the eighty eight that he's convicted of that we know about,
just because of his own incrimination of taking pictures, et cetera,
only fifteen percent of them got reported to the police,

(48:23):
so they didn't even know they were broken into. They
had no idea. In fact, you know that Murnoch family
I told you about that went away twice. He went
in when they got back from the second trip, the
daughter ran upstairs to unpack her stuff and then she
came down and said to the parents, look, my drawers
are empty. I have no underwear in my drawer. And

(48:45):
the parents looked at her and they even laughed and said, yeah, okay,
did you check the floor, look in the laundry room,
Because you know, teenagers, that was just just people didn't
believe it. They had to be shown the evidence. And
then even then a lot of the people were kind
of what when did he do this? Like how did
he do this? How did we not know this? You know,

(49:08):
this was not he was very good at it, and
I guess he just would move things around or take
things and people just didn't notice. It wasn't until later
he actually would start to break into people's places, and
then he wanted them to know he had been in. So,
you know, in one house, he went in and he

(49:29):
took took the lady's vibrator, and then he left a
note on her computer telling her thank you, and he
would love her to report it to the police because
he'd love to show them what she used. So he
started to get brazen, He started to get like smug,

(49:51):
like okay, yeah, and he wanted them to know. See
because the first couple of years he was hiding it all,
and he was doing it very well. Most people didn't
catch John that something was going on. So he started
leaving notes for people. He started letting them know that, hey,
I took it. It was great. In fact, you know
what he would he would this is you know, keep

(50:11):
a little nasty, but he would take let's say a
vibrator and go into the woman's bedroom. He would take
off his clothes and take a picture of himself, his
own this penis laying on top of the vibrator on
the woman's bed and leave it for her.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Incredible.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
So he started getting you know, he started from being
really secretive and real covert to being well, maybe you'll
like this, and leaving them notes and leaving them pictures
and kind of letting them know, look, this is what
I've got. So, you know, they would come home and
it's like he got a picture of a man's you know,
on laying on your vibrator on your bed and it's gone.

(50:55):
That would be just really weird.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Now, now, what about there's something in your book here
in the scription about the letters written to the victims.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, after he made his confession, I guess and
I didn't realize this, but with the read technique, and
part of what they do is they try to seal
the conviction by getting the perpetrator like him, like Williams,
so they you know, the detective Smith said, well, listen,

(51:25):
maybe you should write something to the families, into the
victims and that and sort of put the pressure on them.
And at first he didn't, and then eventually he did,
and he wrote all of these notes to the different
families or different victims, and it's it's the police way
of helping to verify. So in case, let's say something

(51:47):
happens with the confession or it gets thrown out, you know,
there's always these technicalities. It's kind of a backup of Listen,
he wrote these notes to the victims. This is what
he said to them, so and you know, it's pretty
telling too in some of the notes, especially the one
that we still say it's the unknown victim that he assaulted.

(52:08):
How he in one phrase in one letter he put,
I hope this doesn't ruin you, and I know you'll
grow up to be something great. And that kind of
led a lot of us in the researching to think that,
I wonder if she was underage, because that's not something

(52:29):
you'd say to an adult. I hope you grew up
to be something great. You don't say that to an
adult woman.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
And you said that almost half the panties, it's the
forty five of the panties were little girls panties that
he was stealing.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, exactly, all forty five of them, as well as
he had lots and lots of He took the little
girl's dresses like that were ten twelve years old. He
took their dresses, their swimming trunks, even took their shoes, nightgowns,
all sorts of clothing from the miners. And we do

(53:09):
know for a fact that the Crown prosecution as well
as the defense came to the plea agreement of him,
you know, committing to the two murders, two rapes, and
the and the all the break ins. They came to
that agreement as long as they wouldn't mention the pedophilia,
you know, the underage pictures, the underage handies, all the

(53:33):
extra stuff from miners. So they kept that out of
the court documents, so that was not mentioned, and it
wasn't until afterwards that we found out about it.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah, because you know, like if the wife found these
bags of adult clothes and it's okay, my husband's putting
on adult women's clothes, and there's a lot of people
will go for that. But you know, what could her
excuse be to finding little twelve year old girls clothing
in his house. He's definitely not trying that on. It
says for another purpose? How to get it?

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, well, you know, and some of them, in fact,
you know, there was one that was really telling, and
it was probably the most bizarre. One was one of
the places he broke into and she had they had
three little girls there that were like eight, ten and twelve,
and the one girl was just starting to menstright. And
he went into the laundry room and he would take

(54:23):
all of the dirty clothes, and he found one that
had some of her blood in it, and he took
over seventy five pictures of that he and he would
in fact, how he did it was he took that
pair of panties and put it over his face as
a mask, and took pictures, and he put in and

(54:43):
then he had to masturbate over top of the blood spot,
and he filmed it. So he had a real affinity.
He really liked young girls, you know. And I don't
know why they kept it out of the you know. Now,
there's one rumor that they kept it out because they
wanted to protect the Air Force and the whole military

(55:08):
part from getting out. It wasn't so much to protect him,
it was to protect the image of military.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
To protect the image of the military.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Yeah, they thought that, well, this is again we don't know.
This is just we know that this is what they
kept out of court, and we know for a fact
of what he did. But why they didn't try to
prosecute we don't know. But one of the stories in
some of the magazines, major magazines like McLean's and their

(55:42):
their idea and their thought was it was to protect
the image of the military. Not only was he I
guess they thought it was better that he was just
a convicted rapist and killer, but they didn't want to
bring up that he also was doing it to minors.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Well, you know, it's curious because you know, when I
was reading this and yet the Queen of England and
Prince Philip and all these characters, you know, and then
you got Jeffrey Epstein, you know, who had his own
pilot and he's flying around. He's raping on his little
girls too as well. And if he's flying around Prince Andrew,
you know, sort of a connection there. Did you make
any kind of connection with any of that?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
No, well, you know, we couldn't find anything like that.
He was He was to himself. This was all about
his world and all what he was doing, you know.
And I don't think it was about the royalty that
he was flying and the different dignitaries. It was that

(56:42):
was just part of what he did, because you know,
he would go home. When you asked, well what else?
Didn't he have anything else to do? I don't know,
Because he was able to go home and at night
he would take out his bags of clothing and lay
them all across his floor in his house and take
pictures and he would match them up. So he would

(57:04):
take a panty from one bag, and address from another,
and the top from another and put them all. He did.
It was like he had it like a catalog fashion magazine.
He was putting all these different images together and all
these different pairs of pulling together. He was obsessed. And
I only say that word obsessed because that's all he
did every night, That's all he did was and he

(57:29):
just took tons and tons of pictures film, that's all.
That's what his life was about. It wasn't about going
out for Bezza, it wasn't about doing anything else.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
Yeah, the amount of time he was devoting to this
is it's hard to imagine. It's hard to conceive that
one person could be spending this amount of time on
this kind of illegal activity, and especially no one knowing
about it. But now we kind of brushed past it,
rush past it. But the Bernardo case, and this guy

(58:04):
was in the same economics class as Paul Bernardo, who
was this notorious serial rapist, and like we said before,
him and his wife killed her little sister. Then she
put on the little sister's clothes and they filmed. They'll listen,
you can't get any more bizarre than that. And this guy,
by some coincidence, we would believe, is in the same
economics class. And you're saying there's some kind of information

(58:25):
that they were friends.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Well, you know, that's the thing. Both I have two
reports that I found that said that they were friends
and from research done at the time, and it was
in newspapers and a magazine that they were definitely in
the same class, and they hung out together, and they
had witnesses that were in the classes that said they

(58:47):
were friends that would go out and drink and did
part of the same college sort of thing together. Now,
the only thing I have different to that is his
best friend. Jeff far Kerr, who did interviews, said that
he didn't know Paul Bernardo, that that he would have

(59:08):
known if they were best they were friends, because you know,
he was best friends with him, and they actually shared
a dorm room together. So you know, I've kind of
I'm kind of mixed on that, but we I will
say for fact, they were in the same class, they
were doing the same thing, and they knew the same people.

(59:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah, it always blows my mind when you hear but
like a serial killer who has a partner like Bianchi,
you know, and then they have a partner who do
their crimes with them, Like, how does the topic come up?
How does it you know, Hey, you want to go
out to and get some beers and go kill some women,
you know, how does it come up in a conversation?

Speaker 1 (59:43):
You know what I mean? But yeah, I could never
figure that out. I don't know how it works.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
What's the first you know, how's it come up?

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, it's like, oh, by the way, you don't hope
you don't mind. I like doing this, but somehow it
does come up.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
It's the thing because because they're doing it, they the
conversation started somewhere, okay, and here you got two guys,
you got Bernardo and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
You got this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Who are that's this is their main focus in life.
If they had a conversation with each other, they must
have picked up the clues right away that this is
what they're into, because it's all they're thinking of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Yeah, I would think because with anybody, you know, it's
even with myself or anybody. We all have our things
that we like to do, or our hobbies or you know,
whatever it is, and you do get drawn to other
people with the same sort of hobbies, the same sort
of things you like, right, you know, maybe is it

(01:00:39):
a coincidence or maybe they could pick up on each
other on what they were doing. I don't know, you know,
it's something because I'm not in touch with that. It's
not a thing that I like to do personally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
But no one's have a question Bernardo about this Bernardo's
alife too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Right, yeah, and Bernardo's in prison for life, know, And
in fact, the only thing we hear is from Bernardo's
lawyer who's bringing up because you see what there was
a lot of cases that happened around the university campus
of girls that were attacked that nobody got convicted of.
We don't know if it was Williams, and we don't

(01:01:18):
know if it was Bernardo. And of course Bernardo's lawyers
bringing up saying no, it was all Williams. So they're
going to blame each other. And in some of the cases,
in fact, the lawyers trying to have them overturned and
put it onto Williams. So you know, it's kind of
they both had the same technique. They both like to

(01:01:40):
get the girls. They like to attack them. They like
to tie them up and blindfold them. See that was
that was kind of the hard part is because they
would blindfold them and they would they would you know,
take them down to the basement or take them wherever
and attack them for a long period of time. And
if they let them go, to let them go. So
all the girls could do was if they heard their voice,

(01:02:02):
try and describe their voice, it's really tough to convict people. So,
but they both did the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
I wonder if Bernardo's wife dated this guy, Williams, you
know she's yeah, Karla Hamolka. If she's the other the
connection between these two, you know, I wouldn't you know what,
I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Yeah. Yeah, And that's why a lot of people did
put an on William's wife, you know, because they're you know,
they were together nineteen years. How could you live in
the same house, How could she the same computer. When
the police came, they could just find all of these
clothing and all these bags, and then in the bags
there was pictures of him wearing the clothing of you know,

(01:02:50):
he would he would set up the film. He would
go into the girl's bedrooms and he would masturbate all
over the bed and he'd film it. And then those
were all in there. That was all there. Nothing was hidden. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
So if she ever nothing on was bag, then she wanted.
But she's never charged you with anything, only civilly. It's
just amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Well, yeah, because they asked them. Of course she's lawyered up.
I don't know anything. I was gone all the time,
I had no idea he was a monster with her
basic saying and that blah blah blah. He took the
plea and the thing was he sold her portion. He
sold to her his wife his share in the house

(01:03:33):
for sixty thousand Canadian dollars. And that drew a flag
because you know, these are multi millionaires at this point,
you know, six figure incomes for both of them. And
so the different groups, the unknown girl, the families of
both victims, and the neighbor all sued them as a couple.

(01:03:56):
And of course it's the law was you can't hold
your you know, your spouse responsible. But after it got
to the Supreme Court, they decided in this particular case
she could be held responsible. So what she did was
she settled with them all out of court to stop
the proceedings, and the prosecution never went after her after that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
I think that's a disgrace to say the truth it was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's typical. You know, I'm finding this. I don't know
about yourself, but you know, covering tons of cases of
crime cases, I'm just finding it more and more normal
for this type of thing to happen. I don't know
if these prosecutors are overworked. I don't know if they
just want to get the convictions, get things out of

(01:04:48):
the way. It's it's more about the process of convicting
and putting people away and not really about finding the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
And you know, you to hang it out and you
know when I just move on, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Now you mentioned something too about how the neighbors bought
the house from them because they didn't want lookie loose.
I guess you'd call it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Well, that's you know, that's the very first family that
we know about that he has film of when here
he broke in the Murdochs, which were next door, right
next door, and he would go in and you know,
masturbate on the twelve year old's bed and take all
of her clothes and wear them and film it. He
did that a few He did that three times that
we know of. They bought the house that he owned,

(01:05:35):
and and also this is the same house that he
killed his second victim and Jessica Lloyd killed her in
the in the garage of that same house, and so
they bought that house. And their one interview they did
exclusive interview, was just saying that they didn't want it

(01:05:56):
to be They said in Their words were, it was
a place that should should be held up and respected,
and we don't want this to be a place that
everybody comes and looks. I don't understand that, you know,

(01:06:18):
because the people that want to drive by the house
where he did all this stuff are still going to
drive by the house. So I don't understand. I guess
their their point is that they don't want it becoming
being sold to people that are going to use it.
I open a B and B, you know, the Colonel

(01:06:39):
Williams murder house B and B or something. I don't
know that they didn't want it to become a place
like you or even we were talking before, like the
down the Sharon Tates house, and and the people that
own that now have tours and media and all this

(01:07:01):
stuff going on like that. I guess maybe they didn't
want that happening.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Did he put on any defense, Oh, he played guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
No, he just directly. They settled, like I said, they settled.
They decided to keep the pile, all of it, all
the underage stuff. He settled for eighty eight break ins,
two murders, and two rapes. And what they did was
so they went in settled, and it's against the law

(01:07:31):
in Canada to do a plea bargain. So they decide
on what they're going to charge him with, and then
he just admits that he's guilty. They run through the
evidence and the judge sentences and so it's a matter
of it took a half a day for them to
do the whole trial, and he got put away for life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I think had several life sentences, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
He got two life sentences and sixty years on top
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Okay, and he's in some kind of solitary confinement, maximum security.
What's this situation?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
That's right. They moved him to the Quebec and it's
the maximum security. So there's two hundred and twenty four
prisoners in there. They're all put away for crimes such
as he is. Like, they're all serial killers, murders, you know,
they're Canada is extreme. It's actually not funny, but it

(01:08:26):
is that in that in the whole country of Canada,
you just have one prison that holds two d and
twenty four and that's all they have put away for
maximum in the whole country.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
That's like what we have here in a week, you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Know, yeah, I know, that's what I find funny. Is
it's like, wow, that's all there is. He gets one
hour of activity a day, twenty three hours.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
In confinement, and do they let him up on camera?

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah? Yeah, you know, at least they're not letting him
have a Twitter account or Yeah. That drives me crazy
because we covered when I was in Phoenix the Jody
Area's case and she's out there and you know, twittering,
and it just drives me crazy that a murderer put
away for life can do that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah, that was a fascinating case. You covered that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Yeah, yeah, actually, and I had one Mortinez twice, had
two really good interviews with him, like hour long and
one two with Lawrence Ermi the defense really yeah, you know,
and that's really that's another sad outcome because with Nurmi,
I felt really bad for him because he was assigned
the case. He was just a state defense you know,

(01:09:45):
attorney getting you know, thirty thousand a year and you
get assigned a case, and he didn't want to do it.
He tried to get off the case three times, the
judge wouldn't let him. Then it became this real circuit,
you know, media circus all of a sudden and everybody
just slammed him. You know, he's he's fat, he's this,

(01:10:07):
he's that they call. You know, the people that wanted
her to get off didn't like him because he wasn't
going to do the job. And then the other people
didn't like him because he was defending a murderer. His
wife and kids got threatened constantly. They had to go
into hiding. He gets cancer to top it off, and

(01:10:27):
then and then so then he get he worked himself
out of cancer, he's in remission. Then he writes the
book about his case, and so then they just bar
him because Jodi Arius brought up charges like saying basically,
you know, he took he talked about the you know,

(01:10:48):
attorney client privilege. So so they took away his practice.
For four years, she's still pulling strings from behind the
the bars, and it's still the people in the country
that are paying for it. Taxpayers pay for her to
get an attorney to do all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
I didn't know he was just barred, you know, I
wasn't aware of that. Hey, but let me ask a question.
Do you think she got a fair trial in that
you know HLN every night, especially that Vinny Politano guy
was doing that segment with the the mock jury, and
the question would be, well, is she evil or just crazy?
You know, like, how can you have a fair trial

(01:11:33):
if they have a two hour show on every single
night demonizing your client.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Yeah, that's something I ask everybody that I talked to
and everybody in the criminal field, and sometimes I get
the answer of well, you know, it's everybody has the
right to see these trials, and that I think that
it's wrong. I think that they should be able to

(01:12:01):
film the trial. I think England's got it the best.
I think they've got it right. You can film the trial,
you can do the whole thing, but it doesn't come
out until it's settled, so it's not happening during. You
can watch it afterwards, you can see the transcripts after.
You can do all that, and the news can only
talk about facts and they can't editorialize until the conviction

(01:12:25):
or the acquittal happens. And I think that's for me.
I think that's the best way, because otherwise, you know,
because how can you do your job when every day
the media is out there talking and people are talking
about your hairstyle, Like Marcia Clark, remember, oh she changed
her hair, or look what tie he's wearing. Look what

(01:12:48):
you know? And Saturday Night Lives making fun of you
like they had, you know, things on I don't know
how you can do your job on either side, defense
or prosecutor when you're the subject of everything all over
the place on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
Well yeah, in the Areas case too as well. They
were threatening her expert witnesses that they refuse to come
back at the sentencing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
You. Oh my god, it's wrong. It's wrong. It's just
it's affecting the outcome, you know, And some of them
like because even Lawrence Nurmi said to me that, well
that the legal system is just going to have to
learn how to adapt to social media, you know. And

(01:13:33):
maybe that's true. I don't know, but I think that
it's so unfair. You know, look at that whole Steve averything.
You know, it's just everything gets blown out of proportion,
and we don't know what's real and what's not, what's
what's the true facts. We're not in the courtroom itself,
and we just get excerpts. I don't know, I'm not

(01:13:54):
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Yeah, yeah, I was very distressed by that. I think
it was really at a fever pitch back then with
that Vinie Politant basically tampering with the jury every night
by doing his shows. It's so so slanted and so horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Yeah, really you're still on it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Yeah, he's off, man, he's off the air. He's gone.
I think he had a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Couple of No, he's on. He's on. He's on Atlanta
TV at Genel eleven and he's got his prime con
being going on. So right now he's uh, he broadcasts
live all the time, and he's working on the Sandusky case.
You know, Jerry Sandusky, because you know he got put
away from molesting the schoolboys. You know, he was the coach. Sure,

(01:14:33):
his son just got arrested for molesting.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Yeah, I caught that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
His son was contacting little girls and getting them to
send him naked pictures. He came obsessed with these little
girls he had some kind of contact with.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Really bizarre there. Hey, so what else can we find
at something weirdmedia dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Well, I produce a lot of shows for people that
on radio stations to places, and some podcasts and I
do I do two different people that do paranormal shows,
and of course I have the House of Mystery, which
is on Seattle and Phoenix and podcast and also true

(01:15:15):
crime Case Files who I contribute to, and a lot
of books that I recommend that aren't mine. I haven't
got mine on there, actually everybody else, Like when I
read and talk to people and do interviews with people
and other radio people anybody that they're just stuff that

(01:15:37):
is really good I find interesting. I try to promote
on that website. It's just kind of a place that
you can come if you're into true crime and history
as well. Like I'm really big on JFK and RFK
and Patty Hurst and some of the big events and history,
and I like to promote authors and people that write

(01:15:58):
really good things, are put up really good things, and
if I really enjoy it, I want other people to
know of this and if they like me and that
kind of how I work, which you're getting a feel
for me now from the show, but I like to
provoke people that do good work.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
I hope I make the cut because, let me tell you,
that's all the stuff Patty Hurst Man, we love that stuff. Watergate.
We're big on Watergate here JFK. That's all kind of
a true crime. We'd handle all that stuff too as well.
I had some kind of some kind of some breaking
news stuff we had here. Oh, did you know that
Frank Sturge is one of the Watergate burglars. He had
his own B twenty five bomber. He had his own

(01:16:39):
bomber jet. Okay, his own personal bomber jet, and he
actually dropped bombs on President Duvalier's house in Haiti down
there or No, it might have been Jamaica. I think
we might have been Jamaica because over a gambling debt
drop up to the prison. Yeah, so we had a
bunch of exclusive stuff here that hasn't been around anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
That's crazy. You know, that whole thing is fascinating to
me because I'm fifty five this year, and for me
when I grew I'm so disillusioned now because I thought
the sixties and I just thought it was such a
good time and people did the right thing. And I'm
just disillusioned because every day and every past the years

(01:17:23):
go by and find out so many more things like
you know, the Watergate, and and you find out so
many more things about the people and the whole JFK thing.
There's so many theories and Dorothy Kelgalin is what we've
been working on lately about how she's found dead, you know,
and how she interviewed Jack Ruby twice and then all

(01:17:43):
of her interview stuff is gone. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I just had Mark Show on the on the show.
Just in fact, he's going to do a show on
one of my stations. He's gonna come a host. I
just had him on the show like two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Yeah, isn't that. But that's fascinating that book, I see.
That's when i'm that book. I think it's fascinating. I
like the idea things like that. I like people that
just put out evidence. They're not trying to sway me
with anything. They just say, look, here's this reporter that
did all this great work that in the sixties, which
was Dorothy Calgallen, was a big, big reporter that was

(01:18:15):
doing stuff that had over. She was in two hundred
papers from the Hearst thing. And I just I just
think that something like that she just got kind of
brushed under, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, you know what I've done that too. Is the
guy who took over hosting What's My Line after her
was married to the daughter of Earl Warren.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
There's just too many coincidences to me. I just, you know,
with all of this stuff and even even you know,
and there was times I was thinking because I'm not
like necessarily conspiracy, but even the Marilyn Monroel thing. And
now as time goes by, you hear different things, you know,
and I just wonder if if she is murdered or not,

(01:19:01):
it's questionable now.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
And well, you know, Mike Rothmiller is going to be
doing a book about the murder Marilyn Monroe, and he
actually read all her diaries and he interviewed the guy
who wired tapped to her apartment. That was my most
popular topic was that the murder I believe was the
murder of Marilyn Monroe. And the authors Morgallis mcgallan I
think his name, they saw in three hundred books that

(01:19:26):
night from doing this show. And but Mike Rothmiller is
going to be doing a book about that. I'm really
looking forward to that. He's fromer Lap, the intelligence detective
out of California. You've heard of Mike Rothmolow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
No, actually I don't know him. I know the Margallis
Jay Margarliss, who did the other book. Yeah, and yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Sure is. It's a great topic to you, Marilyn Monroe,
the death of Princess Anna, and they covered that. We
tried to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
The questions. There's questions with all of these because we
find out that that it's just not we're just not
getting the truth. And I'm not, like I said, I'm
not this, you know, the world's flat and big conspiracy thing.
But some of these things, they have some pretty decent
evidence that makes you go, wow, I wonder I don't.

(01:20:18):
I try not to come to conclusions because once you do,
you no longer look for answers. I just leave it
open and try to bring in the evidence because I
don't know if we'll ever really find out the ultimate truth.
But there's definitely a lot of questions.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah. I like to bring people on and just get
their their record down, you know, and get their statement
down on record, you know, and make make an oral
record of it. And I try and get as many
people right before they died too, you know, some of
these people times moving on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
You know, another another interesting one. If you've the Pearl Harbor,
have you ever talked to the you know, I talked
to Thomas Kimmel. He's the grandson of Admiral Kimmel that
got all the blame for the Pearl Harvard thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
No, I have not looked into an adderal. I'm not
a big history guy and there's never one of my
big topics at school. But what's the theory behind him.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Well, the thing is Admiral Kimmel was in charge of
the you know, the fleet in Hawaii in the West,
and when they got word because when they were breaking
the code, the Japanese code, they knew that there was
something going on, and they got kind of word that
there might be an attack, and they even had sent
it to the president and all the cabinet that it

(01:21:33):
was pretty imminent. They didn't even warn him, but they
didn't even say anything to him. They just sort of
left it and said, well, you know whatever, and you know,
the attack happens. And then so the admiral kind of
got the blame because he's ultimately he's in charge, so
it's his fault. So he kind of got he got
his two stars taken away, and he kind of got

(01:21:54):
discredited a lot through the press and at the time,
and so he dies and time goes on, and now
the grandsons want him to be reinstated as a general
because they have with evidence now that the President as
well as the secretaries of State and Defense were on warning,

(01:22:17):
were warned, and didn't even let him know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Well, a lot of people say that though, that we
were aware of and we will let it happen because
we wanted to get into the war in the Pacific.
We wanted to get into war against Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Yeah, I've heard that, but they didn't go that far.
What they were saying was that what we did do
is we did know that the Japanese were sending their
people in Pearl Harbor. They told them to tell them
where all the different boats were, what boats were, when
the harbor. They had all these questions and I knew
that was going on, So they don't necessarily know there's

(01:22:53):
an attack. But then they also were told all the
different you know, their dignitaries in Pearl Harbor to leave.
So we do know that they knew that. I'm not
a strategist and military strategist, but you know if I
was the commander of the base, and I would want

(01:23:14):
to be told that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah, And didn't we have all their codes cracked anyway,
like we kind of were listening to all their stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Yeah, for four months before the attack. Yeah, all those
all those codes were sent to the president and to
the to Washington, and they did know that and they
didn't pass any of that information on. And that's kind
of what the grandsons are saying, which I think that's
fair enough. You know, you can't have it both ways.
You can't you can't just blame it on one person

(01:23:44):
when you all you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know,
you're Washington and the president. Everybody kind of knows, and
we're not going to tell the person in charge of
the Navy. And then they get bombed and you just
kind of throw them under the bus. That's what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Alan. Can we take a little commercial break here and
and then we'll come back. We'll wrap up and tell
me about what books you're working on. And also too,
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(01:29:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah, I've got two going on right now. I've got
one one big one that it's going to take a
lot of time. It probably won't be finished before fall.
And it's it's about a person that was put away
for committing a murder that now we know he didn't do.

(01:30:14):
And I'm actually getting interviews with him, his family, the
prosecutor at the time, and the one that actually has
helped to get him cleared. So a lot of a
lot of first source knowledge, which is so it's going
to be a really really interesting read by the time

(01:30:36):
it's finished. The more more people you can talk to
when you're doing these things, the better the book.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
Is he still put away or is he out now?

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
No, he's well, he got released and he wasn't He
wasn't allowed to leave the Chicago area until just recently,
and they're still deciding whether or not to retry him,
even though they had DNA proven you didn't do it.
Just it's back to that, you know, take headedness sometimes

(01:31:06):
prosecutors will get because they just don't want to give
up and give up the ghost. I guess I don't
know anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
And what's the other one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Yeah, it's about the vampire killer in Montreal? Okay, Well,
you know it's another one of those guys that thinks
he's a vampire and would kill kill people, kill. He
was killing woman and he would suck their blood.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Well, yeah, you know if you drink their blood and
then you're a vampire no matter what the reason is,
you know, that makes you a vampire. That's vampism. You know,
if you drink blood. There's a lot of people do it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
Yeah, you know, I don't have a taste for it myself.
I kind of liked a little bit of Starbucks, but
not blood. So you know, so that that that's an
interesting one as well. You know, just how the mentality
of someone like that and how they really believe they're
a vampire, and you kind of get into the uh
actually talking and figuring out why and what makes them

(01:32:11):
believe they're a vampire? You know, what is it? You know,
because vampires are just totally fictional creatures that we've done
with Hollywood and Dracula and stuff, and what makes people
believe that that's what they are where they actually going
out and doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
Now he's in prison right now for murdering somebody and
then drink in the blood.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Yeah, okay, yeah, three people that we know about. Again,
that's one of those. I leave it at that because
you never know it. But when they're older, when they're
like forty, I just don't think people turn on the
button and start doing it at forty.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Right, right, Yeah, you always wonder, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
Yeah, because what happens to you when you know all
of a sudden. I mean I never had that when
I turned forty. I never decide it, Well, it's go
out and start graining blood and drinking it. He was
drinking it right from the victims too, so he didn't
even store it. He had to do a fresh kill
and then do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Well, you know, we're both about the same age, so
we don't know yet. They still thinks you go south
for us.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Man, Yeah, well maybe you know what, if it turns
on and I decided that I'm going to start doing it,
I'll give you a call. I'll the first interview me
I've done on Social life mate as well, you know,
I'll let you have the exclusive listen.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Alan, Thank you so much, man. I really love this story.
This this Russell Williams above Suspicion, The True story of
Saria Killer Russell Williams. And I'm definitely gonna check out
your website too. There at the something weird media dot com.
If you do think of a guest for me, because
I do need a guest for Saturday, I might have
somebody booked. H My friends who were at Trying Day

(01:33:58):
are hooking me up by some guy who wrote a
book about the Ku Kus Klan and how they they
want to kill everybody. But if you come up with somebody,
shoot me an email, you know, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah, for sure. Actually, you know there's a few, a few,
because I, you know, working on these two different publishers,
I know quite a few writers, gotten to know writers.
So if you like true crime writers, there's a few
here that I that I know. I can send you
some info and some of them, like I was thinking
of Chris Sweeney. Cel Sweeney, he's written five or six
pretty good best sellers, and I've talked to him a

(01:34:29):
few times. He's a really nice, nice guest to have
on and he's written about some pretty big cases.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Okay, great, Okay, great, I'll tell you what. Yeah, I'm
going to send you my email right after the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Okay, yeah, do that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Listen, Alan Warren, thank you so much. Okay, and I'll
be at that with you.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Great, thank you, good night.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
Okay, then we had Alan R. Warren. The book is
Above Suspicion, the true story of serial killer Russell Williams.
I really like that guy, and his website is something
weirdmedia dot com. Now we do kind of joking around.

(01:35:10):
We do kind of have a guest book for let
me see, I got it. That might be getting my
little confirmation. Oh right now, I was just informed by
my team. Oh no, hopeing, I'm bad news year. Uh okay.
The guests we possibly have locked up for this week

(01:35:35):
is Oh, come, I'm not gonna be attle. Find this guy. Brother,
Come on, let me look over here. Okay, here we
got to over here. Killing God's Enemies is the name
of the book, the crazy war against Jews, African Americans,
and the US government. So that should please most of

(01:35:56):
our guests, most of our listeners except for the ones
that they have this Jew obsession, though they'll be disappointed
that I'm not against killing Jews, I believe it or not. Okay.
In the year at twenty seventeen, I'm working on a
whole presentation too that's going to be coming up shortly.
Oh boy, it's taken me around the freaking world here. Oh,

(01:36:34):
with Rob Low, you might recall the story about Rob
Low filming his illegal sexual encounter with a sixteen year
old at the Democratic Convention in Atlanta way back I
think was in the eighties. Now, the girl was sixteen
years old. The age of consent at the time in

(01:36:55):
Atlanta was fourteen. But it's illegal because it's illegal to
film anybody under the age eighteen and sexual act. Okay,
so that was a crime. I don't want these guy's
not in prison because there's a lot of guys out
there done way less than that got charged. So we're
gonna be looking at him and his childhood friend. Who

(01:37:17):
is robb Loow's childhood buddies. Well, they went to the
same high school with none other than Charlie Sheen and
Robert Downey Junior. Robert Downey Jr. Another guy who was
found in the bed of an eleven year old eleven
year old boy neighbor, and he's in the kid's bed,
passed out. Now, the official story is little boy wasn't
there at the time, bed was empty. Mister Downey was

(01:37:40):
checking beds. This one's too big, this one's too small,
this one's just right, and he wound up in the
eleven year old's bed bedroom, in his bed passed out. Okay,
that's the official story anyway. So we're gonna be looking
into that. Rob Low, Martin Downey, Robert Downey Junior, not
Morton Downy Junior, and Charlie She and all they're frienship.

(01:38:00):
They're wonderful friendship between each other. And also too, I've
been looking into the case very interesting of David Copperfield,
and I pulled up all the court docks on that
lawsuit against him by this young woman who claims that
he took her down to his private island and the
Bahamas and he pretty much held a captive down, he
took away her passport and stuff, molested or raper, blah

(01:38:22):
blah blah, all this stuff. I to find out that, well,
you know who, he's good buddies with, Jeffrey Epstein. What
do you know? Well, do you know? Small world? I
guess when you have private islands, your own private islands,
and you have this pattern going on, it's a small world,

(01:38:45):
is what I suppose. So we've got a lot coming up,
and I don't have my notes in front of me
right now. I'm not going to start. Oh also too,
I uncovered the I got a lot of stuff I'm
working on, and I may and may just do a
whole two hours just talking about that on Saturday. But
otherwise we'll be booking a guest coming up. Anyway, don't
forget our new friends at this Dove Chocolate place.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:11):
The part to remember when we're looking for this is
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the the martini mixes alone and the coffee mixes alone.
You want to go down there and check out some
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(01:39:57):
want to go check that out? So, and you know
you're make a couple of little purchases. Makes the sponsor happy,
makes me happy, you know. And then then when I
do my after show, I'm not upset all the time
I'm crying and moaning and griefing. You get yourself a
chocolate martini. Yeah, sip your Martinez. You listen to the show,
You're happy, the sponsors happy, and I'm happy and nobody

(01:40:20):
gets hurt. Okay, which is always a consideration when you're
dealing with the Opera Report.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
You never know things could turn ugly here. At any moment,
things could turn ugly. Let's face it, okay, who we
can't things could go bad here quick. You gotta you
gotta realize that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:42):
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but that was a mute. I was a mute there
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you go. Welcome back to the Opera Report. I'm your host,
Private investiator, Ed Opperman. So we just had on the show.
Alan R. Warren, author the book above Suspicion, the True
story of serial killer Russell Williams. You know, interesting because

(01:42:40):
this guy, Russell Williams, he was flying around. This guy
was an elite Air Force guy and he's flying around
the Queen of England and Princess Andrews. I don't know.
I didn't get a chance to see if this Prime
Minister of Canada or the Governor General we're on the
list of Epstein's guests on his plane. But if they were,

(01:43:01):
I would say that that would send the shockwaves through me.
And that's something needs to be checked out. If anyone's
in the chat room wants to take a look at
that and see right now, if there's any kind of
connection there, I'd be interested in hearing about that, and
don't forget our friend, Phoebe said at MYDC site dot com,
Phoebe said front Slash, good old stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
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Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
I bet they even have chocolate milk, right chocolate? Who knows? Okay, Well,
I guess what we'll do is I'll uh don con

(01:43:42):
is that? Well, I got about twenty minutes to fill here,
so with seventeen minutes, I'll put together a little produced
segment and I'll read it. And I didn't play for
you here, So thank you so much, guys, and I'll
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