Barrett Brown Returns - DDOS Epstein hacked Emails.( NEW 12/19/25)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the Opperman Report and now here is investigator.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, welcome to the Opperman Report. I'm your host, private
investigator Ed Opperman. I can get a hold of me
at Opperman Investigations and Digital Forensic Consulting if you reach
out to me through my email Opperman Investigations at gmail
dot com. We have a returning guest today, Barrett Brown,

(00:28):
who we've had him on several times before. He's an
expert on this kind of stuff, these hacked emails and
stuff like that. They used to be with Anonymous and
WikiLeaks and stuff like that. I think he's still out
on the run facing some kind of indictment of charges
or something, but we got him back to talk about
these new supposed leaks or hacked emails, these Epstein material

(00:52):
that's coming out from this group called Distributed Denial of Secrets.
Mister Barrett Brown, are you there?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I'm always here.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
How's it going, Hey, it's great to have you back.
Thank you so much, man, Thanks for having me. How
would you describe yourself? Who is Barrett Brown?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I was a journalist, commentator, press credit, chiefly for you
and for my entire adult life. Gradually in twenty ten
I started my organization called Project PM. I did so
alongside Wark correspondent Michael Hastings. We were very concerned about
the press, about what we had seen the press. Heat
worked for Newsweek was over in Iraq, you know. I

(01:29):
was more of a spreelance Forredenter here in the US.
Both of us were pretty certain that the way things
were going, this nation was going to fall under a
kind of weird hypocritic tyranny because the press lacks the
ability or the willingness in some cases to do its
basic job. My group, by the PM was declared a
criminal organization a few years later. By this time I

(01:50):
was working with anonymous They were hacking various intelligence community
related companies and the FBI itself CIA. We had discovered
and circulated and prompted tradrescial investigations into a number of
the technologies and procedures and very people who in twenty
sixteen would later help to put Trump in office and
cause Brexit using their technologies that the US government helps

(02:13):
to Colcalcate I went to prison for number of years.
Macco Hasting's got blown up in T point thirteen in
la in a car wreck that more recently, Michael Flynn's
general Michael Flynn's brother Joseph, has publicly claimed responsibility for
before deleting that tweek. I think he was drunk. Other
of our associates, from Aaron Schwartz to Kevin Gallagher to Valtbrooks,

(02:35):
but have also been found dead. I'm basically, I guess,
one of the few ones remaining now. I live in Mexico,
where I'm at least safe from all persecutions anyway. So
in the course of this, I've had the opportunity to
work and watch very up close with a lot of
the figures that now run the US. You know, whether

(02:55):
that be Peter Tiele, who I've been kind of railling
against since twenty eleven, some of the people around Trump,
so the people you know, a number of people who
worked with Epstein. Peter tie of course, was a close
competent of Epstein, as we now know from some of
the emails released by Congress, and this DOOS group we'll
talk about today. It's an extraordinarily important facet of all

(03:17):
of this. It's one of several organizations that, while I
was in prison, was created by unknown people that we
now know who they were, in order to take control
of this transparency of it in order to replace those
of us who had, you know, been actual threats to
the state with other people who were more compliance. So

(03:38):
the Intercept I wrote for from prison. I was naive
back then. I had heard something about it having been
funded by Pierre Omadyar. I didn't really know who that
guy was. Didn't know whether he was a longtime partner
of Peter Thiel going back to the PayPal days. And
I didn't know that Peter Tiel. I didn't know until
four years ago, when the documents came into my possession,
that Peter tile was also involved in the inner and

(04:00):
the whole thing was an intelligence operation intended to end
the whole plague of leaking by encouraging leakers to send
it to the Intercept, which just happens to be have
it Its first editor, John Cook, was one of the
a handful of people who had worked with the FBI
against US, against the entire whistleblowing community. Uh. You know,

(04:23):
we know that because we have their emails with FBI
course FBI assets. Sam Biddle, another guy who worked at
John Cook get one of their star reporters, one of
the guys that they gave the Reality Winter documents to
right before she got caught went to prison. I could
go on and on. There's too many in a name.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Uh well, what parent? What about? Now that Greenwald has gone?
Is the intercept still compromised?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I'm not not really it is now. I mean some
of the some of the people who are the most
culpable still work there, like Sam Biddle, but it's not.
It no longer functions as closely with the intelligence community.
So it's a more compromise than say the New York
Times at this point. Uh. But that that they're they're
in lives of the problem. A lot of those reporters
who work there that we that we have tagged publicly,

(05:04):
or that I've even written about in a book that
was published in the US and UK went to the lawyers.
No one's is putting it. A lot of those same
reporters are still out there occupying key spaces in our
nation's sort of uh uh, you know, alleged public whistle
blow public scrutiny division are our central nervous system. It's
it's still been contaminated. These people are still working for

(05:27):
teal and even the ones that aren't, they are essentially blackmail.
They're Essentially they have they have everything to lose if
their role in the ongoing roles of others, uh, in
receiving the public and in allowing these things to happen,
is ever revealed. And that's why those of us who
keep trying to reveal it keep ending up, you know,

(05:50):
having difficulties pursuing our careers in journalism.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah. By the way, to you, you mentioned the Epstein estate,
you know, the I've seen a state right now most
of the money that they have, like one hundred and
seventy five million dollars comes from Peter Thiel's valor and investment.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, you know what I mean, bro, Yeah,
did you ever imagine that it would get this bad,
that the deal in these characters Musk would have this
much control.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Absolutely not. And that's really because twenty elevewenty twelve, I
was I was saying that this guy was the biggest
threat in the world. I had no idea that was
an understatement, and I had done and I think I
think you, and I think you and I and a
lot of people who were journalists, you know, twenty years
ago could not have conceived of a time when a
giant sex trafficking network would finally come to light, it
would involve all these powerful people and in which no

(06:41):
one would be punished. I think that's I think that's
the most important thing the American people could can can
think about, could point to at this time, is that
this is how bad it gets. There is no red line,
there's nothing, no matter how many people die or go
to prisons to expose this, no matter how many how
many sex trafficking victims come come up uh and and

(07:02):
managed to survive the persecution and blackmail by by companies
like black Cube and Palents or that specialize in suppressing victims.
Uh nothing. Whatever we do, it won't amount to anything
because our institutions and in putting, our press are either
unable or unwilling to hold people to account even when
they're found to do the most monstrous things possible. And

(07:23):
I think that's that's that's a lesson people need to
think about in the years to come. If if they
think that's okay, if they you know, so.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
The president of the United States of America, people are
making excuses.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
For him, in several several presidents, you know, and seal
prime ministers of Israel, and it just it goes on
and on, and you know, it's just at some point,
you know, there's there's been a lot of talk in
the US, you know, among both right and left for
years about you know, you know, tyranny. We have our
guns because tyranny. Well, you know, I think I think
a lot of that was talking. I don't think a

(07:56):
lot of people are serious about doing anything self sacrifice,
no matter how bad it gets. And I think that's
that's uh. I think that's you know, something another thing
that needs to be considered by serious citizens in the
years to come. Uh. No one's going to step up unless,
you know, except for those who do.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, you know, like, how much more can we stand?
They have? We have armed thugs with masks on their
faces with no accountability, stealing little kids off of school buses,
and and you know, people stealing people out of court
in the courtroom hall. We just left the courtroom and
they're being kidnapped in and throwing poonos.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Where well, of course, and of course we were prepared
for this because just in my lifetime alone, last you know,
forty four years, in the US and UK and its
allies have in the Middle East without much debate and
generally by excuses that end up being retracted to their
false we we've killed a lot of people, kill a
lot of children. Uh, and without many people Madeline Albright

(08:59):
saying it's forth the costs that kind of thing, not
not much. I mean, there's been anti war marchers, but
really the centrists, the mainstream of the press and politics
don't seem bothered by that. So I guess, you know
a lot of greater stupid things. A couple hundred children
being the lessed good is that big of a deal,
is it? Ah?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, people like Megan Kelly saying, wow, they're fifteen, you know,
you know, oh.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, actually, you know, it's a great example of, you know,
of how good human beings are at justifying the convenient,
regardless of its sponsorous or not. And again that's that
is those are kind of the precursors that are historically
necessary for you know, yeah, not to get to anarchomilitant here,
but I mean, you know, I hope that people will

(09:42):
start consider to consider whether or not these institutions might
be the real problem, not our enemies abroad, our enemies domestically.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, and marching, you know what is marching?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, it's never had accomplicated sexualies that even amongstia.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, I got a little more to watch now. I
contacted you because I heard about this. This group distributed
denial of secrets that they're about to put out this
new and I was all excited, and I hear a
bit all excited. I said, well, who would know better
about this than parabush?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Really nobody?

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Who else is there? You know that you can go
to and trust? So tell us what happened when I
sent you this email? You sent me back. Is it's
like repete a book?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yes? Yes, So this group, this group was found in
about twenty eighteen, and about half of its personnel are
former people who originally worked for my organization pursuings that
I started when I got out of prison. Two of
them are my extra O friends and others are and
other members. About a dozen of them are known documented

(10:49):
long admitted FBI assets, two CIA assets who no longer
who no longer undercover, who now acknowledge their status so much.
We documented anyway, a guy named Aubrey Coottle who has
done only a CSIS, which is Canada's police deal asset,
but a long time a documented child sexual abuse material distributor.

(11:11):
That's not counting the other the co founder of the organization,
Thomas White from the UK, who was arrested the same
year the US has founded in twenty eighteen and charged
and convicted with wait for it, child sexual abuse material distribution.
So a lot of these, a lot of these are
are They're part of the new phenomenon that the FBI

(11:31):
and other groups used of people who have been caught
out because they're because they're chomos, child molester's, child Brougrey
enthusiasts and turned into weapons for the intelligence community, which
again reminds you of anything Epstein. They have the emails
they released, I don't doubt they're all legit. What my
concern is is that they may have derived from a

(11:53):
guy named bal Brokesmith that I used to work with,
who recorded an FBI meeting in twenty twenty where he
was sunning there and agents from Texas, New York, d
C and l A branch offices were there and they
had a four hour meeting which Val secretly recorded on
his phone, which was later published and you could read
about it in the New York magazine profile that came

(12:14):
out of a couple of years ago. Or you can
see the whole whole recording on one UH in which
they asked him to stop going after Trump, DeAsia, Bank
and Russia which he had testified about to to to
UH to a representive Adam a shift and which he
had been specializing in, and shift his focus onto the
interagency campaign against me, which d o S then pursued.

(12:36):
UH So, d O S is not a transparency group.
It is it is. It is. It's a US military
account intelligence slash CSIS slash FBI joint interagency UH operation
intended to do the exact same thing that UH. It's
two other groups that it shares people with the Intercept

(12:57):
and Free of the Press Foundation, UH shares the same task,
which is to manage, suppress, replace, and if necessarily to
s credit those of us who were actually transparency activists,
actual threats to Peter Tiel, who funds all three of
these things, as we can now show after all these years.

(13:19):
Another DUS persisipant who is cited in the various logs
from their server that we naturally managed to steal, as
we always do, is Andrew arnhouer We, the neo Nazi
leader who has a swashed a good tattoo on his chest,
who has worked for Peter Tiel since twenty fourteen at
the very earliest, who has worked with Glenn Greenwald back

(13:41):
when Greenwald was putting the intercept, and who was tasked
in twenty fourteen with intimidating a PayPal fourteen defendants, A
young woman named named Mercedes Hyper, who had been one
of those who had done this sort of digital sit
in dus attack on PayPal when PayPal was leading the

(14:03):
economic locade against Wiki leaks. Mercedes have been publicly pointing
out that, Hey, this albd Yard guy is funny this thing.
He's the one's who deployed the forty FBI armed raids
against those of us who did that protest back at
Jared Tway twenty. He's the one of our signal prosecution.
She was told in this lengthy conversation I now have
between the two of them by Weave that she needs

(14:26):
to be quiet or her hires are going to increase,
and alternatively, she can get paid real well if she
if she co operates, The same threats are met against
me by some of the same lawyers that are now
involved in all this. Stanley Cohen and tour Eckland's tour.
Eckland was rewarded with the role of Chief counsel of
Clearview AI, which is Peter Tiela's surveillance firm, years after

(14:49):
he was hailed and being hailed as the anonymous lawyer
who was defending all the whistleblowers he was defending. He
was the lawyer on record for some of these people,
but he was making sure that operated, and so is
Stanley Cohen. Anyway it did. I could go on and on. Basically, Uh,
this entire apparatus, Uh, you know, it is straight up
old old playbooks where an intelligence community creates a counterfeit

(15:14):
organization to occupy that space too, to take control of
or monitor, you know, the actual threats and to the
threadit the credit. That's what that's what it does. And
there's I have seen few things. I've seen a lot
of things. I have seen nothing sicker uh than the
conversations that we've been able to uh surveil among these

(15:37):
people at d U S and so forth. Nothing sicker, uh.
And that includes them bragging about having caused the suicides
of several people on our side, most likely including my
legal offense. Had Kevin Gallagher a few years ago. Uh
and uh, you know this is that is the.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Tactic that I can can contest to. They drive people
to suicide. And I don't know think about this particular group,
but the other side, that's one of their tactics is
driving people to suicide.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
And so and things like that. They just they just
sound so crazy to people who aren't steeped in this
because it just sounds similar. So a pretty person might say,
Luckily it's heavily documented. Unfortunately, there's so many reporters who
have been conned by them over the years. I mean,
I was calmed by them. I believe they were a
real group. I believe the Intercept is a real group.
But I believe Gundreamwall was a legit person. And I

(16:33):
go to all the red flags over the years, but
I can't afford to pretend it's away like a lot
of reporters can. And so that's that's the thing. Is
what they do is they they make it extremely difficult
for the things the documents could discovered a matter, and
they also do a great job of quietly going around
and discrediting those of us regrets of them. And they're
doing it right now. I warned two weeks ago by

(16:55):
my extra friend Naomi Colvin. You used to work with joinasage.
She wrote. You know, look they are if you go
about this, if you continue to put the misinformation out,
they are going they're cultivating your extral friends. They're going
to portray you as a rapist and so forth, which
they've already done. I mean they've already already put out
They already had this attempt back in twenty eighteen to

(17:16):
portray me as a had this woman write a big
blog post about how I raped her and also express
interest of pedophilia. And the only way I managed to
get out of that was because I had secretly recorded
her phone call in which she admits that she was
the one telling me that she had lefted children. No
rape occurred. This is a common tactic as well. The
Cassandra Fairpaks another figure who does this. They have a

(17:39):
lot of women that operate within the sector that it
devolves hackers and so forth, because a lot of them
actually are pedophiles. And so what they do is you're like, oh,
you know, I like some children. You know, hopefully it's
like oh that's so hot. And it didn't work on me.
I mean, of course, I already has my emails communications.
They know that I'm clean, but they try it anyway,

(18:00):
and uh, in the last few weeks that they're trying
it again, there's a price. I would ask people to
take take a look undership my my Twitter account at
prajpm dot com p r o J take a look
at this conversation with du S editor Lorax Horn that
I've had the last few days to get set up there. Uh,
it only takes about two minutes to get a sense
of how deeply disturbing these people are, how dishonest, and

(18:25):
uh what it means that they and the interset and
so forth have managed to supplant the rest of us
in serving as the supposed whistleblowing groups. You know, it's
just it doesn't take long to figure out, you know,
who's on which side here. I meant, do.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
They start out as the as paid as agents or
do they get blackmailed?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
It's a combination of things. Some of these some of
these people got like the other co founder of d
S was not was not the the child porn convict
and the guy the other one originally Michael Best, who
you interviewed in twenty fifteen and who attested a great
length to his intelligence background. You know later on that
that was hidden. Michael Lee, who was the security director

(19:13):
of Intercept and board Miner the US and co founder,
recruited the best foundation. He he denied that he had
any intelligence background. That I provided him the court document
and so forth, and then he kind of went quiet.
So that that person, Neil Rahauser an FBI asset going
way back, those were always either counterintelligence or FBI assets,

(19:36):
never activists. Others like Laurie Love who you know who
was originally being charged by the US for hacking. He
made a deal a couple of years ago and worked
with these same people. Sabu Hector Monsigner. He was a
big anonymous hack hacker that you know ran all his
ox back when I was around. He was revealed in

(19:57):
March on March sixenty twelve as having been termed the
FBI seven months prior to avoid going to prison. Uh,
there's there's only a few people myself, Jeremy Hammond, one
or two others who actually went to prison because we
wouldn't cooperate. Uh. The majority of these people, unfortunately in
this sector, were not cut out for activism. We're not
black panthers. They're not the weathermen, you know, they're not zapatistas.

(20:20):
They're they're hobbyists who enjoyed the power, you know, like hacking, uh,
but just aren't cut out for what is essentially a war. Uh.
So it is a combination of things. Uh. And there's
a lot there's a lot of blackmail, there is a
lot of no but ultimately the FBI in these groups,

(20:41):
they rely almost exclusively on people who are sick, who
are who have serious psychical psychological neuroddvergencies, certain kinds of
autism sociopathy that make it impossible for them to see
anything is wrong if they do it, and that make
it streaming. Uh. And that make them very very compelled,

(21:03):
makes them very excited about the potential to damage people
in ways that are dishonest. I mean these people we've
seen from their internal conversations and making public or the
secret auity reportings you've made. If they're ATBI handlers, they
love it. They love doing swats, They love sending police

(21:24):
people's houses to claim as are shooting there. They love
doctoring treet jocks to to show us using racial slurs. Uh.
They they don't even and that LAWX hornative do us
doesn't even doesn't even mind justifying it when it's called out.
I mean, it's just it's a different world that and
it's not just different than those of us, you know

(21:45):
who you know try to be self sycobasic citizens. It's
different from the average person. Most people will never see
a person like this. The FBI is very good at
accumulating the absolute most sub human elements of the entire
country and weaponar I can.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was, I can testify to that at myself too. They
take people with mental illness and they weaponize them. You know,
people have no idea the levels two in the depths.
Now Barret Brown to play devil's advocate. What would these
folks say if they were to hear you talking right now,
what would their defense be? What would they say, Oh,
Barrot Brown's just crazy?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah yeah. So so we can put that that's happened
a lot, so we can point to what they've said lately,
They have said very little. All of them kind of
went quiet about a year and a half ago, and
more recently, when I reached out to about thirty related
individuals by email asking for comment, two of them have responded.

(22:45):
One that Lorix Horn, who I in buy people to
look at my Twitter account there and see what what
she came up with. And then another low level person
at the DOOS named something and we used to say what.
His response was that, no, you're wrong, this evidence is
not true. No specifics, that kind of thing. So but

(23:08):
no that. Oh but in private messages we've seen, let's see,
Lorax Horn reached out to a film producer named Rod Webber,
who she did not realize was a not dumb enough
to fall with this and be connected to me. And
so we have a long conversation which she starts by
saying that I groomed my girlfriend at the time. Then

(23:31):
Robin Rod points out ways drove thirty five. It's like, oh,
I mean groomed digologically. And then she goes on to
oh yeah, point out that I'm a rapist, links to
audio recording a Josie Opposite claims in my asylum case,
which she oddly has all this information about, is fraudulent.

(23:51):
Oh yeah, Oh, encourages him to make a documentary attacking
that girlfriend of mine, Sylvia Man, because she's a person,
and let's it just there's we can also cite the
emails that both Lorix Worn and another intelligence contractor with
New Knowledge who's also a firm called New Knowledge, who's

(24:13):
also an BIST. Emails they both sent to Morgan State University.
Four years ago. When I went on a show hosted
by doctor Jared Ball, he's a Black liberation media this
weekly show, I talked about this, they sent emails to
them trying to get them fired. And let's see, among
the claims I made was that, oh was that the

(24:36):
court the sign sworn affidavit that I'd produced by this
best person, the co founder of the US, I must
have gotten from my Nazi contacts. Now that documents been
published a month prior somewhere else, they know that they
responded to it. They know fully well, I have no
Nazi contacts. They do, they work with Andrew Arnharer. That

(25:00):
that's embitted in some of the emails, certain aberations that
we stole. You know it, I mean, it just it
changes the claim shift. Like the same people who say
that I rape women and I'm a child molester, a
few weeks later, they'll they'll they'll just say something else,
you know, I mean, personally I would leave the job
molesting rape thing each time, but they'll be like, well,

(25:21):
he's also we don't like to work with him. He's
not very good. It's just it's just not what a
real person does when they really have that kind of stuff.
So to answer your question, Uh, there are a number
of ways that they managed to within it for internal use,
justify their actions and explain why this one guy who's
actually gone to prison over over again is actually the

(25:43):
illegitimate non activists while those of them who just happen
to be working with the API are the real activists,
so on and so forth. They're good at that, and
it doesn't translate well publicly, which is why they've been
pretty quiet lately.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
You mentioned it's guy Thomas White has a conviction, and
now did you serve any time? I'm was his sentence,
So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
So that's the part I don't know about. I'm assuming
he didn't. I could be wrong, but they generally he
probably was convicted and then probably put back to work
for either m I five, m I six, a joint
Metropolitan Police FBI thing, one of the one of the
one of the sort of combinational arrays of police so

(26:23):
worth that have been going after us since the Anonymous
days when Interpool and FBI and that police. We're all
sort of having phone conferences which we know about because
we stole those two. Uh you know, so so it's
hard to say I would like to know more about that.
And you know, ideally a transparency organization like the d
US would would not have hidden the identity of the

(26:44):
single member who happened to be a child porn convict.
Uh and would say so like I say, like, oh, yeah,
this is what happened. Right. They don't do that. They
don't do that. They don't they don't answer questions.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Uh, so what do you what do you make of
this business? They say they have these emails and they
want to release them, but they want to vet the
reporters before they send them out.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because I'll bet they do. They do. They want to
make sure the reporters are going to be number one,
not privy to their actual nature. Number two, they want
to make sure the reporters aren't going to figure out
that's very possible. These emails were found by Val Brokes,
by old buddy who you know did the FBI recording
but also worked with the DSU. Because it is public

(27:25):
record that VO was tasked by David Edmrick of the
New York Times to find and break into Epstein email
accounts Back in twenty nineteen, Kevin Hall at Miami Tribune
A great old journalists, you know, one of the last
remitting journalists who deserve the name. He also worked with
Val myself on other things. It's possibly came from Val,

(27:47):
which raises the question of why is it that when
Val died d d s Was found dead of blunt
porso trauma, why did DS say nothing more? And why
have they more recently published it a uh, some material
trying to discredit him after his death. Again, these are
questions that they will never answer again, even questions I

(28:08):
put the Lorix Horn with having had this rare opportunity
to talk to her yesterday online in public. There's a
lot of Machin didn't answer. And anyone who's student an
interrogation video knows that when people answer some questions but
then ignore others, there's a reason for it. It's because
the answers aren't going to be very good.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
So, but you said before that you think the emails
are legit, and what then? What's their goal they're doing
to legit?

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Their goal is to is to try to try to
re establish themselves in the eyes of naive people who
or as a real organization that definitely not have anything
to do with child sex activity themselves and are definitely
interested in journalism that uh. And the question is how
long have they had these emails? Why now? How long

(28:57):
they sit on them? And what else are they sitting on?
And I know the answer to some of those questions
I want to I can't go into right here because
I really want to be able to show it documents.
But this is a group that you know, they they
just just like if you if you're a let's say
you're a police informant, you want to join a gang,
Well you're gonna get involved in some crimes in the process.
And they can pointed and say, oh, look this guy

(29:18):
is one of us. He scored weed or he shot
this guy. As we know, uh, police cooperators and so
forth will go pretty far to to hide their hide
their actual status. And it's the same for these people
if it was the same for the intercept. I mean,
the fb FBI is the one that oversaw the Stratford
hack that I went to prison for. I mean, it
wasn't just Sabu with the guy that they that legally

(29:40):
did it. They the hack was wash and this was
testified in Jeremy Hammond's case by the FBI. St involved.
Stratford was originally hacked by FBI assets. The hack was
handed over originally Jeremy Hammond so that he could be
prosecuted for it, and then so that Wiki leagues could
be pursued when they gave him the emails. So that

(30:00):
you know, I think, Uh, what I'm saying is that also, Kelly,
there's not. There's not. Just like some evidence that the
intercept Glynn Greenwald, d O S and so forth are
intelligence brought opportunities, there is no evidence to the contrary.
Every piece of evidence points to the same thing and
the part and the parts that may look to outsiders

(30:21):
as exculpatory. Uh, there's precedent for that too. Pl it
you know it is Uh yeah, it's just yeah. And
that's why some of the journalists who used to write
about d S and used to be convinced their Road group. Uh.
Uh Silverman at New York Magazine is one of them, Uh,

(30:43):
Jacob Silverman. Uh, not a single one of them still
trust them. Every single one is now where that they
are intelligence and that they're it's sick people. Uh, they've
lost all credibility among every party that gave them, people
that gave them the beneth of doubt. And there's a
reason that they that they first gave those fcent emails
to drop site News, which is run by two former

(31:05):
Key Intercepts Tartars, who have also been reluctant to explain
why their operation at the Intercept was CIA via twenty
different connections.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
It's funny. I just had another guest breaking about drop Site,
recommending them, saying, and go check out drop site.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
They look, they work. There's the thing. They do good work.
I mean, the thing is they are also they are
also very much responsible for having done bad work and
gotten was a blower's arrested h and so people should
drops that just does do great work on Gaza and
so forth. And they're publishing these emails which are legit.

(31:44):
People just have to realize that. I mean, there's a
reason Ryan Grimm went on Steve Bannon Show three days
ago because they both worked for the same people, Peter
Ill and Trump.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Now clearly Barrett Brown has experienced though the stick. I
have come after you with a stick, but have they
also offered you carrots in order to get you to yes.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
And after I, after the whole one hundred and five
years in prison thing didn't work out, I had to
drop the charge. In twenty fourteen, Tor Ecklund, a lawyer
who's a lawyer for we aj Arharer, the neo Nazi,
came to visit me at my jail unit in Mansfield, Texas.
This he was driven there by a vice reporter and

(32:27):
that vice article if people look up Tor Ecklin, Barrett
Brown or whatever, you could find that article. Came to
visit me and we had a little talk for about
forty five minutes. Now, if you look at the article,
you'll notice that at no point is Tory could explain
why he came down to see me. He's not my lawyer.
I've got lawyers, and I wouldn't There's no way I
would have consulted with that lawyer. I didn't know, given

(32:50):
you know, the degree of all this stuff. Well he did.
What he told me was that a lot of money
can be made. And that conversation kind of ended when
I gave him a certain look and they said like,
oh well maybe you don't give a f about that,
and that's fin and blah blah. Anyway, so they tried
that with me. There are some other cases I I'm

(33:11):
not at liberty to talk about based on other people,
that I would like to go into another time. Well
that's happened. But again that there are about four or
five different methods they use. One is pretending that to
work with them to actually to be to help achieve
your actual goals because either Alex KRP or Peter g
or whatever secretly supports your side. That's one of the
things that they do. Un The other way is, hey,

(33:34):
Glenn Dreamwald, we've got stuff on you, and they do.
I mean, some of that's been seen. Glenn Dreamwald has
been you know, he's been. He's been a long period
of time doing methampthactic means and engaging in things that
you know, uh he has. Yeah, and that the video

(33:56):
clip that came out to Big Sco with the meth
pipe in the background. And I mean there's no telling
how how worse it gets. I mean, Peter Thiel's boyfriend
fill out a window a couple of years ago and died.
Val Broksman, who was reporting on FT and worked with
the FBI and knew too much, fell off something a
few years ago to and died Kevin Gallagher, who warned

(34:18):
us about DIDOS to begin with in front of Greg Howish,
one of their members. Well, he got threatened by Dean
rahauserd another FBI asset publicly attacked over over again, disappeared
from the Internet the day before my arrest in twenty
twenty one in London. Two weeks later, we sit someone
over his house and he was dead. It's just there's

(34:40):
a lot, there's carrots, there's sticks, and part of the
things go. The more it becomes clear that anyone who
goes up against this better be ready to better be
ready for real war. And that's why I hope people
will see this who realize, you know, if you do
want to be up go up against this child sex
trafficking intelligence network. Don't let yourself be captured alive, and

(35:03):
keep in mind that they will get you if you
don't get them first, at the.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Very least lived on the first floor. You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
What some of us.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
As much as you can. So what would you recommend
to people sticking their neck out, you know, and exposing
this kind of stuff to protect themselves? What kind of
what would you recommend it's really hopeless.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Right, Well, I mean, uh, this is FCC kind of overseeing. Look,
there's advice to say. I think people can probably get
a sense of what I think should be done. And
that's as far as I'll say. Now.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
You mentioned early on Flynn's brother confessed to Hastings what's
going on there?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, yeah, so that's I posted on posted on my
Twitter there a couple of years ago. I think it
was twenty three. He was probably drunk. His Twitter accounts
has been deleted, but these were stream shot at the time,
and he was responding to some conversation. I don't have
behold of it. He's saying, oh yeah, or Michael had
some trouble with his car last night that night, too bad.

(36:03):
Huh blah, bah blah. Another tweet saying, you know, poor
guy was so young, you know, and I remember Mike,
Michael Hastings was had become under FBI and other scrutiny
in twenty ten when he wrote the article with Afghanistan
came back order article Rolling Stone pointing out that Flynn
had been undermining the civilian command, which is a big

(36:27):
no no, and also that the war was unwinnable that
if it continued it would be lost, which was which
he was right about. Uh. And then General Flynn had
to resigned the next day. That made a lot of
people unhappy because there's a lot of special forces and
just regular officers who loved Flynn. Uh sorry, sorry, Generalman Crystal,
dineral Christ. I'm talking about Dot Flynn. He forced theation,

(36:50):
Generalman Crystal. That made him a target. You know, the
FBI was surveiling him then of force. He's working with me,
and everybody who works with me, as per Corps records,
was under surveillance, even people who donated to my campaign.
After after Hasting's death, the FBI denied having any interesting Hastings. Uh.
FLI request regarding documents returned no results. It wasn't until

(37:13):
about nine months later, after the story had died, that
the FBI had to admit, Oh, here's some documents. And
of course they attested in my court hearing, in my
gag order hearing when I was being silenced after an
article I wrote from jail in The Guardian about Pallinger.
These firms that came became Cambridge Analytica blah blah. Uh.
They had been agent testifies to having monitored my phone

(37:37):
calls with hastings recorded them and so forth. So this
is this is my issue, is that I don't know
what it would take for a journalist to be killed
in the US and then evidence come out that he
that he was killed for a reason by certain people
before the press is willing to say, hey, we should
look into this, because so far we don't. We've seen

(37:58):
it happen, but we haven't how what it would take
for that that process to start. All we've seen is
articles about how it's a conspiracy theory to worry about
this now here. I'm in Mexico, luckily, where journalists are
murdered all the time and no one denies it, mostly
by the cartels. So it's a different environment and to
the extent, I'm never going to be able to sort
of get people to to develop the basic decency to

(38:25):
look into journalist's deaths. It'll happen here, hopefully, And.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You know, do you think you're safer there?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Und percent? I am even in cartel runs, as I'm
safe here. I mean again, my death would be investigated
because in Mexico doesnt had this bizarre notion that it's
governments or its criminal organizations don't kill journalists. That's an
American thing.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You mentioned in this email you sent me. You mentioned
some stuff about people having their names changed.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Oh yeah, so yes, several, at least two of the
main all three, actually three of the main Dee sribut
Donald Secrets people, including Imma Best who was before that
Michael Best and before that Cody Sutan came out the
document in front of me. Uh. Changed their name from
one male name to another in twenty fourteen. Uh, and

(39:19):
I think a Pennsylvania state court. It was a sealed
It was a sealed document until a couple of years ago.
It was it was put out I think by Russia,
but it was published in the raizone, which is kind
of a Russian cutout, in which best it has to
number one their their counterintelligence officer status, their ongoing employment
in that area, and the fact that their name needs

(39:40):
to be changed to better conceal that status. Uh. At
the time, the DUS claimed, oh, this is a Lorix horn,
but it got post publicly, this is just a trans
person changing their name, and you're dead naming them, right,
and then gradually acknowledge that left out what it is,
that that this is a man changing his name to
another male name, no point has in the best. So

(40:02):
in twenty seventeen and they're on about let's see, I
think five members of the DS, including one of my
extu girl friends, who I can guarantee you is not trans,
decided they were trans and made this public. That makes
it harder for us to like as it did years ago,
to say, hey, check out this person denying being an
intelligence asset. Here they are seting their intelligence asset, you know.

(40:24):
And it's also a method of ensuring that they that
the left will look at them as one of their own,
and that they will look unkindly against anyone who goes
after them. Now, you know, had Imma bestill been Michael
Best who's we have this pictures of it, his military
uniform and his background as someone who goes after left

(40:45):
wing groups, infiltrates them and destroys them be a lot easy.
It would have been a lot of easier to get
other left wing people to like I say, hey, this
is a problem now. Luckily the black the black activist
groups I go and they don't. They don't go in
for this stuff. They don't care if if your FBI
asset or your bill say your background, they don't care

(41:05):
if that hurts your feelings to look into it. Uh,
they don't. They don't allow that. They have a long experience,
they know from from that for decades and decades what
a white FBI asset will do to them. And they
don't care if you're a male, female, if you're part
of it, if a of a discriminated group. Uh, that
just doesn't work with them. It's one of the reasons

(41:25):
why those were Those were the outlets in which I
was first able the biggest in position now gradually against Finally,
several outlets have acknowledged these things that they are intelligence, uh,
that they that they habit have been finded by a
child porn distributor. And another thing, just on that same note,
there's a special place in hell for a bunch of

(41:47):
people who who emphasize that they're trans women and then
get caught being steeped in child pornography. That's exactly what
these what those what those the right wing uh you know,
stop grooming groups want, They want to associate trans people
with child pornography and so forth. And it's one of
and that's one of the reasons why they've given up

(42:08):
on that line. I mean, there's not a single one
of these people on the left, who's going to continue
to say you're dead, damning this fans person in the
process of pointing out there are four different child sexual
abuse servers that they've run the whole thing. I mean,
it's just it's hard. It's hard to explain how upsetting
this has been the last few years. And the reason
I'm much better now is because number One, I'm no

(42:30):
longer in the usu UK where they can have the
FBI or met from a recipe over nothing. Number Two,
a lot of them are running scared people they work as,
running scared, the suits, the board members, people who oversaw this.
I mean, they're all tied to child preography now. And
you know, I'm a patient guy. I could wait years

(42:52):
and the years for this to finally to finally get
absorbed into the the bloodstream of the press.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
What's the motivation for running these child porn servers? Is
it their personal interest.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
There so so in some in some cases it's it's
it's just it's them being child porn enthusiasts and that's
how they got picked up and arrested, and the force
between going to prison and being killed immediately, as as
happens in prison, or we're coming out here and being
part of an elite you know, spy unit, you know,
and that's no, that's no choice for them. In other cases,

(43:25):
it's used to blackmail or in vangle others. So for instance,
if they can get you to demonstrably also use child pornography,
it's usually sure destruction. Now now you're no longer at
no point are you going to turn on them. It's
just like with the Epstein stuff. Beyond that, I think

(43:45):
also they at least one case, we have them. We
have a screenshot of them on their server having sent
someone to our server who's working with them, trying to
get us to look at and like, oh look I
found poor in their server and it's a link hoping
to click on it, and they're sitting here saying, yep,
ready to report. As in had we picked on that link,

(44:09):
you know, they would have informed the FBI of the
success of the operation. And then suddenly it's us who
are who are also looking at child pornography. And that's
the general strategy that what they want to do is
associate us with the very same legitimate charges we make
against them. Because that confuses about eighty percent of jarnalists. Unfortunately.

(44:30):
So absolutely, and there's probably other reasons too. We were
still kind of figuring this out. A lot of this
is kind of new and so forth.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
You know, how much you mentioned Russia before, How much
is Russia involved with this? How much is Russian involved
with deal? Because Rusk is a connected with Russia.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
So it's complicated. So so Russian intelligence is always since
toy eleven has been taking paying very close attention to
the things we put out, because things we put out
are of course of interest every intelligence they especially those
who are US adversaries. In the case of Russia putting
out information on him the best that was most likely.
So that was most likely because the Ukraine US War,

(45:09):
because GDUS is a US cutout, was going to be
and and did to serve as a portion of the
US NATO information operations by putting out documents on Russia
as if they were coming from an independent group. Same thing,
I mean, same thing when Wiki leaks was, I mean,
Asane got himself unveiled with Russia as well and was
kind of helping them do stuff. A lot of people

(45:31):
are willing to because they're you know, they are in
an adversarial relationship with one side, they'll join the other side.
It's a boy the other side being evil. I mean,
that's what that was. The cull those what World War
two was all about. Uh, and that happens beyond that.
I don't know that much about Russia involvement. There's little
bits and pieces we can put together, but uh, I

(45:53):
mean they're always watching, They're looking for ways to take
advantage of whatever situation. And of course the fact that
heater teels involved and you know that, it means that
peripherally the rest of us who are involved in this
also become subjects of Russia. Uh, we become we become
uh observed by Russia regularly, and you know, they're always

(46:16):
looking to use us to their ends, you know, so
we always you know. So it's a real it's a
real scene. Man.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
It's exhausting.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I don't know is how can people help you, Barrett?
What can people do to support you?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Uh? They can help distribute the information that I put
up on on you know, I write for almost nothing
anymore because uh a lot of the lot of the
outlets East Ripe Forour have turned like Vanity Fair, have
turned out to be part of the long conspiracy to
suppress information about the Epstein sex network from the publisher
right on down. Uh oh yeah, that came out years ago.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I heard the same thing that what's his name, Wolf
Wolf was deep in vanity the wolf.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
And also writing part of the publisher you with personal
friends with with Epstein and he killed an article in
twenty two by Julie K. Brown, who people should follow
as well for a missure on this, But follow my
Twitter at prage p r O JPM and just throw down.
You'll see you'll see quite a bit. And in the
next at some point, probably after Christmas, I'll be starting

(47:19):
a weekly ten minute show in which I dump a
bunch of these documents explained as much as I can,
and try to make clear which supposed journalists, which supposed activists,
which lawyers and so forth are responsible for ninety percent
of what's happened to this country into the UK in
the last fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
And how are you going to trap that on TikTok YouTube?

Speaker 1 (47:41):
That's probably a number of venues, you know, whatever I
can get it on, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I'll put it off for you. No, I'd love to. No, No,
what about a lot of people listen to this show
that they think that Julian Asiane is a hero. And
I try and explain to them and they make I'm
the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Yeah, what I've learned, there's not much point and tell
you know, everyone already goes everything so that those of
us who happen totion to it, you know, we might
as well just listen to them. You know, anyone who
has not yet looked at what as Songs did lied about,
you know, go with God, have fun, support, doing assage.
He's already made his deal. That's why he's saving back
in Australia with his xci a wife. You know, if

(48:22):
A Songs were really a hero, he would not be U.
He would not have been let out and he would
not be keeping quiet about all this stuff. He's a punk,
you know. He's one of these guys who's a computer
guy basically. And you know he he claimed not to
be involved in supporting Trump at twenty sixteen, and of

(48:43):
course the the his actual actions and words have been
put out when other people are putting me. He had
Kim dot Com message being say, what's your problem? I'm
glad that we helped be put Trump on office. I
push made that public. Anyone could find it, you know,
so if people want to support that, go for it,
you know, just stay away from me.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, I hear you. And since the signs have been down,
has he done anything or said anything?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
What?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I haven't heard anything from him since he's been It's funny.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
It's funny when people when when these heroes suddenly stop
getting impressed, they get real quiet. I'm almost as if
they're embarrassed about what, you know, their old allies might
ask them. For instance, me.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Boy, I said, Man, this is so exhausting.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
But he's working on some huge thing. Maybe he's just
maybe he's biding his time until he finishes his heroics.
I'll bet he'll Well, we'll see you know, who knows.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
You got to be playing god. We got about five
minutes left. Man, what do you want to leave us with?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Uh? Man? You know, at some point, I don't know,
Like I think everyone needs to think about, like how
much are you willing to take? Like how much? How
you know? After years and years of the press denouncing
all of us as conspiracy theorists for saying, hey, this
Epstein thing, this said balls us US as really intelligence
And that includes the journalists who actually put this out.
Who all believe this after all those years and saying, oh,

(50:08):
the cameras went out that night, and if you don't
think that, you're exspiracy theorists, and oh look here here's
the here's what the cameras show showed, you know, the
ones that didn't exist. Look, it also proves of the gap,
I mean. And then it comes out in many of
the emails, and then we know that Epstein was sex
trafficking children to all these presidents, prime ministers like hoo

(50:30):
Barrock who who Virginia Test you know, wrote this book,
had beaten her and threatened her to death. If that's
not enough for you, just accept the fact that you're
not a citizen. Just go go back to bed, just
get get off the internet. Stuffers your figures. If that
is enough for you, if that everything else is enough
to make you say, we have a responsibility to stop

(50:51):
this stuff because it's our country that we pay for.
In that case, just find your time, maybe wait and consider,
you know, consider being part of history. You know, could
consider doing the right thing rather than rather than doing nothing. Uh,
at the very least, you know, please try to help
spread the things that those of us who have been

(51:14):
on this for a while, have been putting out. Stop
listening to people who you know to who don't do that,
who have no track record be putting stuff out, and
who live comfortable lives. You know you never get attacked.
Uh just consider, uh, consider what you want to be.
Consider if you want to be worthless or if you
want to be helpful, because you know, I know one

(51:34):
is easier in the other. But uh, at any rate,
stop pretending that you know you're one of those guys.
One of those guys said, man, I would I would
kill a child molester. You blah ilas tell you that
you're not going to I mean, you're you're you're full
of nonsense. Uh and uh, you know, I guess, I
guess I have a good day. That's all I can
tell you. I'm just I have no idea what I

(51:56):
need to hear. I'm disgusted by both the UK and
the US. I've seats so much nonsense. You're gonna They're
all gonnaet with they deserve. I mean, we all do.
That's how providence works. At the pouting fathers said and yeah,
I mean pick aside as what I'm sorry you.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Can follow Barrett Brown on Twitter's probably the best spot
pro jpm p ro o jp M and that's probably
the best way to And he wrote that book to
My Glorious Defeats. You can check that out to it.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, and there's just tons of stuff you can read
for free online to look at my name, Barrett Brown,
Peter TiAl blah blah blah. Do os you know I mean,
HB Gary Palinser. I mean, there's just so much that
we put out that you can read for free that
will give you a sense of how bad this is
and who's involved and who needs to be isolated, marginalized
and eventually neutralized. We're going to have a country again.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, And Barrett Brown's been warning us about these things
for years and years and years before twenty sixteen, so
it's we got to take notice and keep an eye
on what he has to say. Thank you so much,
my friend.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Hey, thanks again for having me on. Appreciate anytime.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I'm lucky. Thank you very much. Man, can I what
is