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We're lucky to get a hold of Brian mccrane. Brian
McCracken's been on our show before. He's traveling right now.
You can hear the cars in the background. He's hitchhiking.
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He's out there on the way, hitchhiking his way across
the country. We got Brian McCracken back. He's been on
the show before. He's an eyewitness to the Arles Perry
murder in the nineteen seventies, and we brought him back
because all this stuff in the news going on. Hey,
Brian McCracken, how are you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Hello? Ed? This is Brian McCracken. Thank you for calling me.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Thank you, sir. Hey remind the audience who is Brian McCracken.
Tell us about yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, I'm a tech writer, voiceover narrator. I was someone
who was at the scene at Stanford University back when
Arles Perry was killed. And I wasn't a witness to
the murderer. I was a witness to the well, shall
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we say, the appearance of Arles and by a person
of interest at the church at midnight on the night
of the murder. And I gave my information to the
police about that, and subsequently I've been trying to get
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the investigators to follow up on that person of interest.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right, you have a suspect in mind, you've identified him
and everyone knows. If you listen to the first show
we did with Brian McCracken, you can find it an
operamandreport dot com. People have figured out. You've laid all
the clues, and people have figured out this composer who
you think it is, but you've never said the name
out loud, right, No, Okay, got you, And we won't
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take here that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'll tell you the authority should be the ones to
do that. I'm just upset that no one has officially
gone forward and checked out this person of interest. There
are two clues involved that should be obvious. One is
DNA and the other one is the handprint on the candle.
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And to my knowledge, this person of interest has never
been checked for DNA or for the handprint, So what's
up has not been done.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, that's very interesting. And they did go to get
the DNA of this Crawford character who is the caretaker
over there, caretaker, handy man, whatever they're calling him, and
he committed suicide during the execution of that search board.
That is just why we're bringing it back now. But
before we get to that, describe what happened that day
when you walked into the church.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, I had been at the nearby coffee shop at
the Stanford University called Trusted or Trust Union, and they're
getting ready to close and as I headed it away
from the union down an alleyway past the church, I
heard music, and I thought it was kind of odd
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because I knew that it was late and nothing no
events were a scheduled, And so I walked in and
there was a fellow on the pulpit, white guy wearing
an afro wig playing a silver flute, and on the
altar was a nude female. I walked down the aisle
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of the church within maybe twenty feet of the two people.
A fellow with the pulpit playing the music. He didn't
seem happy to see me. He was sort of glaring
at me. The woman on the altar she turned her head.
She had been staring straight at the ceiling. She turned
her head to the left and looked at me, smiled slightly,
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and then turned her head back up to look at
the ceiling again. I thought that they were perhaps having
some sort of private moment, having fun in the church,
or pretending to have a black mask or something. The
girl had altered candles burning on either side of her,
and so I decided that maybe I should just leave,
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and that is what I did. There's no other information
I can add to that of the fact that I
saw the guy and I saw the girl. They were
there at midnight or thereabouts, and I saw no one
else in the church. After leaving their vicinity, I walked
back through the doors of the church into I don't
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know what you call it a receiving area or something
like that, And anyway, that's if you go in there.
There's doors leading into the church, and to your right
this bathroom. To the left there's stairs going to the
choir loft and the organ loft, and that's where I went.
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I was curious to see the machinery of the organ loft,
and so I walked upstairs. The music was still playing,
and I started to go down the steps into the
choir loft, but it just looked too black. The situation
felt too weird, and I decided not to go into
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the choir loft itself, and that's when I left. So
let the person involve a person of interest guess whether
or not I looked over the railing to view him
and his interaction with Arles at that point, I will
not say.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
At this point, okay, very interesting. Now, now you've seen
pictures of Arlis Perry since then, are you convinced that
the woman on the altar was Arlis Perry.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I cannot say that I was surety. I looked at
the woman's face, I looked at the pictures. I can
say that she was a light haired woman and a
white woman, and she looked similar to ourless but I
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can't say specifically whether or not that was Arlas on
the altar. However, I will say that since there was
only one woman in the church, and subsequently within a
few hours her body was discovered ourlist's body was discovered,
I can presume that there were not that many nude
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women lying on altars that night.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Now was her body found nude?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Though totally nude?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
According to the reports that I have read, she was
half closed. Apparently she had a top on or a blouse,
but I wasn't there to see her getting dressed. It's
the time that I saw her. She was lying completely
nude on the altar with candles burning on either side.
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And that's the only thing that I can report.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
On Dewpoint and also to according to report, she was
violated with these candlesticks. Have you ever seen photos of
the candlesticks?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I have not seen the photos, But as I said,
when I saw the woman on the altar, there were
candlesticks burning on either side of her, one on the left,
fent one on the right. They were I think, in brassholders,
and they were long white candlesticks. According to the reports
that I've read, she was violated, and that the candlestick
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used to violate her at a handprint. And I'm very
curious to know why the person that I have named
to the police as a person of interest has not
been checked for that handprint.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Because right according to reports, Stephen Blake Crawford, his handprint
is not involved in any of this. We know that right.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, according to the reports that I've read, there may
be correlating DNA evidence between Crawford and the crime scene.
But as far as I know, they checked Crawford's handprint
against the candle forty odd years ago, and I presume
it it's also done subsequently, and there is not a match.
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If there had been a match forty years ago, forty
years ago and more, there was not DNA technology available subsequently.
There has been. However, a handprint and fingerprint technology has
been available for a long long time, and there was
that technology available at the time of Arlis murder. So
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it makes you wonder if they did check the handprint
against Crawford, Why do they wait forty some odd years.
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
A lot of this doesn't make sense because also I
believe the DNA that's linked to Crawford was found on
a pew nearby, on a cushion on a pew. Now,
so what maybe he was in there goofing around, you
know what I mean? That doesn't connect him to a murder.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, do you want me to speculate?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, we're both speculating.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yet I'll speculate supposing this guy Crawford, who has been
proven to be a thief. He's been arrested a number
of times subsequent excuse me, previous to his committing suicide.
Obviously he is a criminal character. He was a security
guard at the time. Let's just suppose that he finds
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the nude body of the girl. I do believe that
some items of value were missing from arlas a necklace
or some other kind of jewelry. Let's supposed that Crawford
took those things. Let's also suppose that he was a
sleazy kind of a guy and he finds the nude
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line there, and he masturbates and leaves his seamen on
the prayer pillow near the body. The killer did not
do that. He was a little too smart. However, the
killer did leave a handprint on the candle, and so
there's two separate pieces of evidence, DNA and the handprint.
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What if the security guard left the DNA seamen and
the killer left the handprint on the candle. So if
the police are using only the DNA evidence from the
seamen to corroborate the fact that Crawford was there at
the scene, it may not actually prove that he was
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the killer. Remember this is speculation.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right, and also we can speculate forever, because if Crawford
has the keys, he's the night watchman of the security guard,
he has the keys to his church. He could have
been known these killers and let the killers in and
been hiding in that pew. When you walked right past me,
you could have walked right past me. He was kneel down,
he was lying down in the pew, So that that
is possible.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, there's another thing that I can speculate on. That
is the person of interest that I named to the police.
He was a member of the Stanford Marching Band. Something
like two weeks after Artless killing, the Stanford marching band
was scheduled to record guess where in the Stanford Church?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Really?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now, if this musician was part of the band and
he was a student and they were scheduled to do
music there, to do a recording at the church, is
it possible that he may have asked for and received
some sort of official or unofficial key to the church
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to quote unquote do practice with his Flutuse me with flut.
Last time I saw him actually playing an instrument, Let
me back that up. The first time that I saw
him playing an instrument, and it was not a flute.
It was a trumpet. He was a member of the
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Stanford Marching Band and he was at a football game
at Stanford. He was wearing the Afro wig and he
was playing at trumpet.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But you saw that in a photograph later on. You
didn't see that in person, right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I saw that in person. I was at the Stanford
football game, Oh really, and I saw him wearing the
wig and playing the trumpet. And that is partly how
I was able to put two and two together and
say that the person of interest in the church was
someone that I had seen before, and that I was,
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in fact this musician's Stanford marching band student.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, I didn't recall that. I thought you saw this.
You looked in a yearbook or something like that. You
saw his photograph, and that's how you put two and
two together.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
No, I saw him in person. That's the second time
i'd seen him was in the church.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, Now, so you saw him first in the game,
then you saw him second time at the church.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's right. At both times he was wearing the after
a wig, which is kind of peculiar for a skinny
white guy to be wearing a after wig.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Absolutely, now how long?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It kind of stuck it in my mind, and subsequently,
when I did interview the suspect, he admitted to me
and to others that he had had an after a wig.
And so to my mind, that's pretty strong corroborative evidence
at least that he was at the same.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Right now the murder. Now, you witnessed this situation there
that night, the AFRO, this weird ceremony going on, naked girl,
When did you find out about the murders taking place
in that church?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Several days later, I was flying to some business meeting
in southern California, and I saw a headline on a
newspaper of somebody in the airplane talking about someone being
killed in the church, and I thought, wow, that's strange.
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I was just there, but I did to the media.
I did not read the newspaper, and subsequently, southern California,
I was out of the news cycle. I was not
part of the major push by the media to explore
what had been going on there. I was out of
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the loop. I wasn't watching television, I wasn't reading newspapers. Basically,
I forgot about it except for thinking that it was
a weird thing that I'd seen. And so I was
not able to come forward immediately and give my evidence
until much later when I did talk to a retiring policeman.
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The case was still open, and that is when I
say to make my report.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
How many how many years later?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Was that something like forty years later?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Forty years later? Okay? Now, and so you have reported
this to the police. The police took you seriously, they
interviewed you, described that whole situation.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, I met not only current coal case detectives from
the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department, but I also met
a retired detective who originally was in charge of the
Arlest Perry murder at that time, and I met them
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at a restaurant I think it was down Gilroy, where
I gave them my testimony and I also volunteered to
give them to verify the fact that I was not
actually a suspect, that I was not one of the
where was weirdos who comes out of the good work
and wants to semi confess any case. I gave my
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testimony and I gave my DNA, and subsequently I met
with the retired detective A. Randy Bynum, and we went
together to see the suspect in southern California had a performance.
That is where I interviewed him in the green room,
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and that's where he confessed to having had a a
Afro wig which he wore when he was at Stanford.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And when you interviewed him, you did it under the
guise of being a reporter, right or you interviewed him
as a well.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I called the Associated Press before the meeting and I
told him that I wanted to take pictures of the performance,
and that we were going to be speaking to the
performer and that if there was an interest on their part,
that we'd be willing to bring those forward to the
Associated Press. They decided not to accept those photos and
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the interview. But it was frankly, so that we would
have legitimacy if the fellow or his handlers decided to
do a checkout to make sure that we were in fact,
legitimately there interviewing him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And when you went to an interview im you didn't
actually confront him about the murders or anything like that, right,
I did.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Not the moment that he admitted that he did have
the after wig if I had a strong verge to
place him under citizens arrest. But I was there with
the former detective and with a psychologist who was also
pretending to be a reporter, and I respected their opinion
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that it was unwise to make any moves on the
guy until we were able to make our reports and
have the authorities make decisions as to what steps to
take that would be legal, legitimate, and reasonable so that
it would not perhaps screw up the case. I would
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not want a murderer, possible murderer, to walk free because
of any mistakes that I made.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So Randy Bien is retired state troople. I believe.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No. He is a retired detective from the Santa Clara
County Sheriff's Department, and he was in charge of the
Rles Perry murder case at the time. He is now
he's retired from the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department. He
runs a private detective company in California.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, He's a private miskeuit. And this is a serious guy.
He's not like an ambulance chaser. He's not a glory hound.
He's not looking for media attention all the time. I've
tried to interview him a few times and he's always
back to the way. So he's not someone who's flighty
to just kind of come up with stuff. He's taken
it seriously. He's what I'm trying to say, Okay, he's
taken let me.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Put it to you this way. My opinion of mister
Bien is that he is a professional. He has a
lot of experience in doing police work, and he is
shy of going to the media because he prefers for
all actions to be channeled through the authorities, which in
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this case is the senac Lark County Chefshireprotment.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Have you spoken to him since this new development.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I have not. I have thought of it but I
have not yet called him. I tried getting him to
talk to me about various aspects of the case for
a number of times, number of months, and I have
the same issue as you do in that he's very reticent.
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He does not want to commit to anything that we
again cause the possible murderer to go free because of
some bad action or wrong action on my part or
his part, or our parts. So I respect them.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Now have you you don't have a book or anything? Right?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
A book? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Book? Well, you haven't written a book about this. I'm
trying to get in now, we're trying to examine your motives.
If people said, well, I don't believe Brian mcrack and
he has a motive to lie. He's a motive to
make this story episode. But now what about you did
go to somehow the press found you or you contacted
the press that lives in New York Post.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, that's kind of complicated. What's happened is is that
in my trying to find out more information about this,
I read about the Berkowitz notations about the murders, saying
that he knew who it was. And I wrote a
letter to Berkowitz in jail in New York. He's there
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for life, of course, because of murderer. And I took
some random mug shows off the Internet and I mixed
them with the person the ficture of the person that
I had named as a suspect, and I asked him
to pull who he thought was the murderer out of
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that lineup which I put in the letter. He never responded, However,
I found out later that someone in the jail, in
the prison had sent my letter to some friend of
theirs or some associate, a LEO law enforcement person in
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North Dakota. I believe there wassequently the Prescott hold of it.
They contacted me, and so much a time, and so
much time had gone past from the time that I
made the report to the fact that I had not
actions from the investigators determining whether or not the DNA
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or hand for evidence had been checked up on with
the suspect. I decided that the best thing to do
to move justice forward was to go public with what
I had known, what I saw.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So you did an I have a motive?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Have I thought of writing a book? Yes, I have
thought of it, because, frankly, I'm wondering whether or not
that would help move things forward. But have I written one?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Am I motivated for anything besides telling the truth? Now?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then? Were you paid for that New York Post interview?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
No? No, no?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
And you never asked me for money? And I did
an interview now I found you. You didn't come looking for me.
I found you, right, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
No one has offered money, and if they did offer money,
then I wouldn't take it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
All right, you never asked me for money. I never
read it.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'm strictly justice for for our less and her family.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Besides the interview you've done with me, have you done
any other interviews?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Only with the New York Post?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
See, so you're not looking for publicity either. And I
kind of bug you two to come on the show, right,
you don't really come looking for me? Okay? So, but
you know we've become Facebook friends. You're always kind of
making kind remarks and stuff like that. Now, so okay,
so if you're not a glory hound, you're not getting
paid for this. Uh so far, that's we can lay
that out and I can testify to that myself. Now,
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what do you make of the Berkowitz tale? What he
claims that Bill Menzer was involved you know, and in
this cult, and if they stalked her from North Dakota.
I'm sure you've read the military book and you've followed
all that.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
What do you make of that theory?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, like anyone else, I have absolutely no idea whether
or not he's just a radio nut to have the
excitement and adrenaline rush of being part of something, or
whether or not he actually did know something and that
he thought about possibly revealing it but didn't change his
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mind because quote unquote he found Jesus and he wants
to put all that behind him. I don't know. That
is why I sent him the letter, giving him the
opportunity to pull a person out of a lineup, but
it didn't work. That actually backfired on me in terms
of giving me fairly unwanted publicity and the attention of
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the media. But that was my attempt. I was trying
to get the information from Murkowitz. He decided not to respond,
and so whether he knew or did not know, I
have really no I did obviously from what he's done
in terms of the people he's murdered, he has some
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kind of problem, whether he's completely insane or mostly disturbed
or whatever. I don't know, but whether he actually does
know who killed NLAs or not, I would like to
know that. I would like to go there and interview them,
but that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It doesn't surprise me that that who's ever checking Burkewitz's mail,
you know, would have tipsters and contacts in the media
that he sells tips to and stuff like that. That
doesn't surprise me. Now. Yeah, and Berkowitz, the people he
named in the cult, Sam car they lived in North Dakota,
and so that there is a connection there as far
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as that goes. So you know, there's all that, And
how would Burkerwitz know about this obscure case anyway, This
wasn't a famous case until more Interney started talking about.
It wasn't nationwide famous, but it wasn't famous in New York.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You know, I don't know, but you know there's there's
again a little piece of speculation that I'll do. There's
a cult called Salimah, right, you familiar with the cult?
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, Crowley, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, it just happens that
there is a coincidence between the.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Arlics Kerry Burder and the anniversary. I forget if it's
the birth or death of Alister Crowley.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Is that night really know?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
For for someone doing a ritual who was a member
of Salima and who was an aficionado of Crowley and
his Dark Hearts, that would use your connection, that would
be a possible clue.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I would believe that this is or not go ahead.
I would believe that the Process people that that the
Berkwoods points to would have a connection to Crowley because
there's that connection that the Grimson was involved in scientology
and Crowley was involved in scientology. So I could see
that connection there. I think that's a pretty clear connection
with the bunch that he was running with.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Okay, well, I was soting like to have it corroborated
with Berkowitz, and Berkowitz would say, oh, yeah, I was
a member of Process Church, or I was a member
of Salima or whatever it is. You know, that'll be
a step towards getting more information that would lead us
to a conclusion. And I don't think the conclusion is Comford.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right now, Let's get to Crawford. I'm sure your interest
in this is much greater than the average person. So
you've read everything about Crawford that you could find.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, I can't say, I've read everything. Frankly, I've just
come from a funeral that happened shortly after the news
about Crawford, and so I've not necessarily done a whole
lot of research. I've done enough reading about it to
have my doubts about whether or not Crawford was absolutely
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the only person involved in murder of artist and the session.
My physicition is is that he was on the scene,
that he made regular rounds of the church, that his
DNA may or may not have been there because of
the rounds, and he made, in fact, have been one
of the people who stole things from the body and
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perhaps left other DNA evidence, So who knows. I don't
know at this point.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Now they described that they found the military book The
Ultimate Evil in his closet. What do you make of that?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Repeat that again?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, The sheriff reported that they found Moretarry's book The
Ultimate Evil in Stephen Blake Crawford's closet. What do you
make of that?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Well, being that he was a security guard there, he
is part of the history of what happened at the
church at that time, It's not too surprising that he
would have an interest in any thing that was published
regarding what he was part of, one way or the other.
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So whether or not that indicates that he was a
raving maniac who wanted to get all the information he
could about a glorious time that he had submitting this murder,
or whether or not he was simply a security guard
who wanted to collect information about his career. I had
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no idea.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Do you find it odd that the Sheriff's Department would
make such a bold statement as to say, well, okay,
now this case is closed, it solved, and it's done
with this one suicide.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think it's very odd. I do. Yeah, And like
I said, why the DNA evidence was not available to
them forty some years ago, but the handprint could have
been corroborated with everyone at the scene, and of course
the security guard, right as one of the very first
people they should have checked. Why did they wait so
(32:06):
long to serve the warrant on the cross of that.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
That's true, we had the DNA in the nineties. Yeah,
we had DNA in the nineties OJ, Right, So why
didn't they do this back then?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You know, well they didn't have it back in seventy four.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Right, No, but in the nineties we've had it. It's
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, we've had it, you know. I can also speculate
that perhaps there was some problem with the DNA the
way it was stored. I don't know. But what I
do know is is that the handprint was there. They
should have been able to check the handprint g Amster
security guard forty four years ago. Why did it take
until twenty eighteen?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah. And also another thing too is
what would motivate a suicide in this case? Okay, and
that would indicate that he had something some serious involvement
enough to be worried, right, not just some peripheral involvement,
but also to suicide usually indicates that you just you
want to keep your mouth shut, You don't want to
(33:05):
the story to get out.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well maybe then again, he was also old, what was
something like seventy two, seventy three. Perhaps they had evidence
that or he had guilt about the fact that he
did in fact steal stuff from Arliss. Maybe he didn't
want to have the embarrassment to revealing that he had
masturbated over the corpse. This is all speculation, but you know,
(33:32):
why he committed suicide I don't know, But why he
might have, I can certainly speculate about. But still I
got to come back to the handprint. So as I know,
the handprint did not manage Crawford. He and they did. Maybe,
But you know that's two separate pieces of evidence. One
(33:54):
is it the campbell, the others on the prayer rug.
Could there have been two people at the scene, one
being the security guard after the facts, I have no idea,
but it's a possibility. So for the police to make
a blanket statement that the case is closed, it's solved,
that it's over with, I don't think it might opinion
(34:18):
that is appropriate.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Okay, And now the other clues that led you to
your suspect, the composer we'll call him. Can you give
us some other reasons why you're convinced it was him?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, I investigated some aspects of his behavior. He was
famous for doing odd things at the school. For example,
he would go to a performance by some other musician
at a concert hall at Samford and he would feed
pay He would feed Hay into the piano while the
(34:59):
other guy was playing, or he would spend twenty five
minutes in a performance quote unquote, standing on stage in
front of hundreds of people popping bubble wrap. Of course,
wearing the afro wig, whether with the marching band or elsewhere,
that's kind of an hot thing for a white guy.
(35:23):
I mean, in any case, that was enough to make
me feel that he was a kind of a strange guy.
But then I listened to his music, and I can't
say I'm particularly fond of his music. It's pretty boring
for me. But because I was trying to do real research,
I listened to it all the way too, which is
(35:44):
very long pieces in at least one of them, after
eight or ten or twelve minutes, the long long musical
or so called musical performances. At the very end, he
says things like, don't worry, I'm not going to hurt you.
(36:06):
You're not like the others. So what does that say
to me? It tells you that the guy is an
interesting guy the terms of the standpoint of being a
possible suspect. So when you looked into a circumstance and
I were checked the handbrin yet.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Enough, I hear you, man, I hear you. Now, what
about in your research into this gentleman who he's a
Grammy Award winning composer, Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
That's what I'm told.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, the award winning guy done a lot of composing
a lot of uh scores to TV shows and movies
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Now, in your research is also apparently one of the
pulis there.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Oh really, Okay, that's anthing, pulter. Now, did you did
you notice anything about his fascination with Crowley or Thelma.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I have no direct understanding knowledge of connections to Salima
or Crowley other than the fact that I know that
he lived within a short distance of one of the
Thelema temples.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
M did you ever try and contact the temple see
who's a member?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
By coincidence? Somebody who was involved with the Lima talked
to me about Lima, but he never told me that
they knew that that person of interest was actually a
member of the temple or whatever visited. I'm just curious
about the fact that there was a geographical coincidence of
(37:37):
location between this suspect and the Lima.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
The temple, Okay, and there was also an incident to him.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I am the fact that And to go back to
the ad that the Salima connection falls in with the
anniversary of Crowley's I think it was his birth and
the murderer of Arlis Perry.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
And since you've gone public, you're never contacted by ALUs
Parrie's husband or anything like that or other investigators, researchers anything.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Uh no, huh.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
And it was also bizarre thing. I know. I'm on
the cutting edge, man, I'm on top of everything here.
I don't let any any clue slip by, thank you
very much. There was an odd incident too, with this
composer that he was banned from Disneyland because they did
some kind of stunt on a Disney ride.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
That I've not heard about.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yep, okay, man, I might think. I think it was
on that Jungle Cruise, the jungle boat thing that they
do that he had a bunch of guys got in
there and they started acting up and they were banned
from Disneyland. I believe because there was a chat room
after we did our interview. There was a chat room
discussion where people just pull they they they've caught this
guy right away the clues he left us in the
(38:54):
last interview, people were able to figure it out immediately. Brian,
is there anything I've forgotten to ask you that you
want to share with us that you know about this case?
Going on.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
All I know is that I don't feel comfortable about
the alleged summarily decided dismissed flow of the case, the
fact that they're saying that it is done, that is closed,
that the Crawford guy is definitely the person who committed
(39:31):
the murder of Arles Perry. All I want to do
is to find out if there is a match between
the handprint and the other suspect. So, you know, I
can speculate all day long, and so can you, and
so can everyone else. Yeah, but those are the two
primary points, that is the DNA and the handprint, and
(39:56):
perhaps the circumstantial evidence of the behavior on this person
against So I'm waiting for more information.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, Brian, thank you so much. If anything comes up,
you know where to find me. Okay, if you get
any new information, Okay, get a hold of me. Man,
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I'm doing this off the cuff, and I'm ad Leabane,
and I apologize for the fact that you can hear
the cars going by. I literally pulled off the freeway,
so I had to do this interview with that offer. Mom.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
No, excellent, your audio is excellent, your presentation is excellent. Man,
thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
All right, sir, thank you.
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event in the church there where they later found the
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your host private investigator at Opperman. We just spent the
last forty five minutes with Brian McCracken, who is an
eyewitness to a bizarre scene of a naked girl on
an altar in the church, gentleman playing a flute with
a afrowig gun that he later identified as being this
famous composer now today eyewitnessed this scenario and then within
(45:52):
hours they find the dead body of Arles Perry in
this church at Stanford University. Now let's start with this.
I've I'm the only guy to interviewed Brian McCracken. Okay,
I found him from the New York Post article, contacted him,
found him, he came on the show, didn't interview with me.
(46:13):
Did about an hour's In a member section at operaman
Report dot com, you can find that where we went
over this detail by detail by detail. I think it
was two hours with them, Okay, going over the details
of his story, and I was way back. Okay, that
was a while back, a little over a year. Since
that time, we've been normal, everyday Facebook friends. You know,
my daughter does something. He always is a nice, comment polight, professional.
(46:38):
A lot of times I'll have guests on the show
and then they go on my Facebook and you know,
and you say, well, you know, and they start acting
a little weird. You know, they're a little weird, you know,
and you say, well, you know, they've been through a lot.
You know, they've been through a lot. They're a damaged person,
they've you know, their survivor. Uh, they're a little rough
(46:59):
around the edge is and what do you call it?
But you still you take your witnesses as they come,
you know. And and even though this witness has been
through a lot of stuff and now they're a little wacky,
I still give credibility to the testimony that they recited
to me. Now, with Brian McCracken, I can tell you
(47:21):
he's only been professional. He's only been stable in every
possible way, only been courteous, only been logical, you know,
and coherent one hundred percent of the time. I've seen
nothing to indicate this guy is seeking publicity. I've seen
nothing to indicate that he's fabricating things. Now, he could
(47:43):
be wrong, could be a mistake, Mamy walked into the
wrong church, who knows, maybe dreamed it, who knows. Okay,
all that's possible. But as far as his credibility, I
gotta give him, give him top marks on that man
as far as being a credible guy. He's also been
in contact with this guy Randy buying him who Again,
I gotta give a lot of credibility to this guy too.
He's not one of these guys out there chasing stories,
(48:03):
getting his name in the paper, you know, trying to
drum up work. But you know, sober guy, you know
who took this case serious enough that he took Brian
McCracken by the hand and he went down and set
up this whole pretext of doing an article and photographing
and getting in there and meeting with this composer. So
(48:27):
I got to give that a lot of credibility, you know. Now,
the show's in a member section, so it hasn't received
that much. There's only like five Digreen members, so it
hasn't received that much attention. This show will receive a
lot of attention, and we'll see what comes up after
this and I probably will be released in the member
section show within the next couple of months. But you know,
(48:49):
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I'm taking with Victoria to go look at colleges in California.
But also too, I'm working on the McMartin preschool investigation.
(49:13):
Meeting with a witness out there, and there's some documents
that can pull that will be really we're going to
blow the little off the McMartin case. So that's in
the work. So again I need funding for that too.
If you want to become a member Oppermanreport dot com.
But I'm hoping also too to take a trip up
to Stanford and going there to one of these press
(49:34):
conferences with the sheriff, you know, talk to the public
information officer up there. It seems like a small sheriff's
department that you can get in there easily, So I'm
hoping to pull out off too as well. If we
can get some extra time and some extra funding, and
that's why I'm booking. I take like six hours today, guys, Okay,
I take six hours today. I did an interview that
I interviewed Nathan Forest Winters. I'm interviewing Brian McCracken, but
(49:56):
I'm interviewing Nathan Forest and Winster's movie filmmaker. After this,
as I get off the phone with this, maybe I
can take a little nap and eat some almonds or
something like that. So I'm working on a lot of
stuff here. I can't. By the way, too, if you're
not a member of the military Facebook page Military the
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Ultimate Evil Facebook Page and you want to be, contact
me on Facebook and I'll add you to the group.
This since this has come up the past week and
the more too. Because Molitarry wrote the book on this story,
Military brought the story to life. No one was to
know anything about this or cared about this case until
he made the connection to the process charge cultu from
(50:37):
Burke with his own statements and writings that they stalked
her from North Dakota to Stanford and that Bill Mensaw
was involved. Now in that group, in the military group,
there's people from North Dakota that're intimately involved in this case.
And if you listen to their writings and their speculations
about this and there the review of this case, no
(50:59):
one believe this case it ends with the death of Crawford.
No one who's looked into None of the people who've
looked into this an who were the backbone of the
all this peri investigation for the past forty years, none
of them I think that, Uh, you know what, Okay, Hey,
so it was Crawford. No one thinks this, you know.
(51:21):
And now they're saying that possibly Corawford's connected to other
murders up there in the area, other Stanford students, Stanford
students that were murdered around the time they believe that
Crawford may be connected to. Now, there's got to be more.
Crawford didn't just kill himself because they found some DNA
in his church, you know, there's got to be more.
(51:44):
And around this cult and this stuff, there's a lot
of suicides and a lot of strange, unusual debts. We
got to look at all this soberly with an open mind.
But we can't just close the lid on this thing
and say, well, it ends with Crawford, just like they
(52:05):
want us to do over and over with the Son
of Sam case, you know, in many of these cases.
So that's what I got for you on that. Check
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did with him. In there, we go into this story
(52:27):
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Did a long interview you can find it on YouTube
(52:50):
with a YouTube channel named Lift the Veil Nathan Snoppelman.
I did a log interview with him.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
Now it wasn't even how long.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Would it felt like a log are going on? And
then the interview itself didn't feel a long. The interview
went very well. But when I'm reading the comments on
you said, oh my god, I'm gonna be talking about
this on Friday night. But we discussed at length, and
last week had discussed atlength to McMartin Preschool case, and
(53:18):
I discussed it with Nathan Stoppelman and I can't impress
on you enough how we're really close to blowing a
little off this thing. Okay, and some people have figured
out what I'm talking about, but there's other I have
witnesses with a connection to those properties that have spoken
(53:42):
to me. Then I'm going to get a statement from
So we had a lot going on here and with
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get back, hopefully if I get back in time, I'm
(54:03):
gonna be speaking with Gritchen Bonna Ducci, the ex wife
of Danny Bona Ducci. And you can imagine what their
life has been like. Now. My ex girlfriend went to
high school with Danny Bonaducci, Okay, and Danny Bonaducci in
high school there in Hollywood was best friends with Michael
(54:25):
Jackson and Christian Brandoh. What a trio, right, What a trio.
And I've heard some stories about what went on down there,
and hopefully we can get into some of that with
Chritian Barnaduci but just what we could talk about we
don't uncover. That interview is gonna be gold and I'm
looking forward to that. Did an interview with Nathan Forrest Winters,
(54:49):
who was the young man who was just six years old.
He was groomed and targeted by this Victor Salva filmmaker
and molested him from six to eleven, got arrested, did
like fourteen months, came out and was given another keys
to the Francis Ford Coppola Kingdom and where the young
(55:14):
victim was sued for five million dollars for breach of
contract for not completing the work on the film. So
it's a tragic story. I did two hours were victed
with them, Nathan Forest Winters, that you could find in
the archives. But I just did another hour with him
where we talk about his new film. It's a documentary
film called The Babysitter, and we're gonna be check that
(55:35):
out too. It's a lot of good stuff in there too,
and I'm gonna be talking to the filmmaker or Connor
Frasier actually later on today I'm filming, like taking like
six hours today man, doing a lot of interviews. I
did an interview myself and I'm interviewing another three hours. Hey, busy, busy,
busy week. So thank you so much, Brian McCracken. He's
(55:57):
got not in a selling he's got no book, he's
got no movie deal, you've got no articles, he's done
no other interviews except with me and the New York Posts.
And he was outed by that, which it doesn't surprise
me at all, because that does happen. I've had it
myself happen where I've contacted a witness or someone in
the jails of the prisons and then the word gets out.
You know, there's a lot of gossip goes on too,
(56:19):
man in those prisons, with those stuff. It's just fascinating,
even with other prisoners and stuff like that. Sometimes you
be talking to an inmate and you'll be contacted by
another inmate. Why do you know about me? Let's go
right here. Oh everybody's talking about it. So you know,
I'm not surprised at all that they would tip off
the New York Posts and have a contact there that
(56:40):
pays them for tips and stuff like that. So thank
you so much, Brian McCracken. And once again, if you
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We're lucky to get a hold of Brian mccrane. Brian
McCracken's been on our show before. He's traveling right now.
You can hear the cars in the background. He's hitchhiking.
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He's out there on the way, hitchhiking his way across
the country. We got Brian McCracken back. He's been on
the show before. He's an eyewitness to the Arles Perry
murder in the nineteen seventies, and we brought him back
because all this stuff in the news going on. Hey,
Brian McCracken, how are you.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Hello? Ed? This is Brian McCracken. Thank you for calling me.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Thank you, sir. Hey remind the audience who is Brian McCracken.
Tell us about yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, I'm a tech writer, voiceover narrator. I was someone
who was at the scene at Stanford University back when
Arles Perry was killed. And I wasn't a witness to
the murderer. I was a witness to the well, shall
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we say, the appearance of Arles and by a person
of interest at the church at midnight on the night
of the murder. And I gave my information to the
police about that, and subsequently I've been trying to get
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the investigators to follow up on that person of interest.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right, you have a suspect in mind, you've identified him
and everyone knows. If you listen to the first show
we did with Brian McCracken, you can find it an
operamandreport dot com. People have figured out. You've laid all
the clues, and people have figured out this composer who
you think it is, but you've never said the name
out loud, right, No, Okay, got you, And we won't
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take here that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I'll tell you the authority should be the ones to
do that. I'm just upset that no one has officially
gone forward and checked out this person of interest. There
are two clues involved that should be obvious. One is
DNA and the other one is the handprint on the candle.
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And to my knowledge, this person of interest has never
been checked for DNA or for the handprint, So what's
up has not been done.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah, that's very interesting. And they did go to get
the DNA of this Crawford character who is the caretaker
over there, caretaker, handy man, whatever they're calling him, and
he committed suicide during the execution of that search board.
That is just why we're bringing it back now. But
before we get to that, describe what happened that day
when you walked into the church.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, I had been at the nearby coffee shop at
the Stanford University called Trusted or Trust Union, and they're
getting ready to close and as I headed it away
from the union down an alleyway past the church, I
heard music, and I thought it was kind of odd
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because I knew that it was late and nothing no
events were a scheduled, And so I walked in and
there was a fellow on the pulpit, white guy wearing
an afro wig playing a silver flute, and on the
altar was a nude female. I walked down the aisle
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of the church within maybe twenty feet of the two people.
A fellow with the pulpit playing the music. He didn't
seem happy to see me. He was sort of glaring
at me. The woman on the altar she turned her head.
She had been staring straight at the ceiling. She turned
her head to the left and looked at me, smiled slightly,
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and then turned her head back up to look at
the ceiling again. I thought that they were perhaps having
some sort of private moment, having fun in the church,
or pretending to have a black mask or something. The
girl had altered candles burning on either side of her,
and so I decided that maybe I should just leave,
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and that is what I did. There's no other information
I can add to that of the fact that I
saw the guy and I saw the girl. They were
there at midnight or thereabouts, and I saw no one
else in the church. After leaving their vicinity, I walked
back through the doors of the church into I don't
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know what you call it a receiving area or something
like that, And anyway, that's if you go in there.
There's doors leading into the church, and to your right
this bathroom. To the left there's stairs going to the
choir loft and the organ loft, and that's where I went.
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I was curious to see the machinery of the organ loft,
and so I walked upstairs. The music was still playing,
and I started to go down the steps into the
choir loft, but it just looked too black. The situation
felt too weird, and I decided not to go into
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the choir loft itself, and that's when I left. So
let the person involve a person of interest guess whether
or not I looked over the railing to view him
and his interaction with Arles at that point, I will
not say.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
At this point, okay, very interesting. Now, now you've seen
pictures of Arlis Perry since then, are you convinced that
the woman on the altar was Arlis Perry.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
I cannot say that I was surety. I looked at
the woman's face, I looked at the pictures. I can
say that she was a light haired woman and a
white woman, and she looked similar to ourless but I
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can't say specifically whether or not that was Arlas on
the altar. However, I will say that since there was
only one woman in the church, and subsequently within a
few hours her body was discovered ourlist's body was discovered,
I can presume that there were not that many nude
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women lying on altars that night.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Now was her body found nude?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Though totally nude?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
According to the reports that I have read, she was
half closed. Apparently she had a top on or a blouse,
but I wasn't there to see her getting dressed. It's
the time that I saw her. She was lying completely
nude on the altar with candles burning on either side.
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And that's the only thing that I can report.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
On Dewpoint and also to according to report, she was
violated with these candlesticks. Have you ever seen photos of
the candlesticks?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
I have not seen the photos, But as I said,
when I saw the woman on the altar, there were
candlesticks burning on either side of her, one on the left,
fent one on the right. They were I think, in brassholders,
and they were long white candlesticks. According to the reports
that I've read, she was violated, and that the candlestick
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used to violate her at a handprint. And I'm very
curious to know why the person that I have named
to the police as a person of interest has not
been checked for that handprint.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Because right according to reports, Stephen Blake Crawford, his handprint
is not involved in any of this. We know that right.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Well, according to the reports that I've read, there may
be correlating DNA evidence between Crawford and the crime scene.
But as far as I know, they checked Crawford's handprint
against the candle forty odd years ago, and I presume
it it's also done subsequently, and there is not a match.
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If there had been a match forty years ago, forty
years ago and more, there was not DNA technology available subsequently.
There has been. However, a handprint and fingerprint technology has
been available for a long long time, and there was
that technology available at the time of Arlis murder. So
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it makes you wonder if they did check the handprint
against Crawford, Why do they wait forty some odd years.
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
A lot of this doesn't make sense because also I
believe the DNA that's linked to Crawford was found on
a pew nearby, on a cushion on a pew. Now,
so what maybe he was in there goofing around, you
know what I mean? That doesn't connect him to a murder.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Well, do you want me to speculate?
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, we're both speculating.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yet I'll speculate supposing this guy Crawford, who has been
proven to be a thief. He's been arrested a number
of times subsequent excuse me, previous to his committing suicide.
Obviously he is a criminal character. He was a security
guard at the time. Let's just suppose that he finds
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the nude body of the girl. I do believe that
some items of value were missing from arlas a necklace
or some other kind of jewelry. Let's supposed that Crawford
took those things. Let's also suppose that he was a
sleazy kind of a guy and he finds the nude
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line there, and he masturbates and leaves his seamen on
the prayer pillow near the body. The killer did not
do that. He was a little too smart. However, the
killer did leave a handprint on the candle, and so
there's two separate pieces of evidence, DNA and the handprint.
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What if the security guard left the DNA seamen and
the killer left the handprint on the candle. So if
the police are using only the DNA evidence from the
seamen to corroborate the fact that Crawford was there at
the scene, it may not actually prove that he was
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the killer. Remember this is speculation.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right, and also we can speculate forever, because if Crawford
has the keys, he's the night watchman of the security guard,
he has the keys to his church. He could have
been known these killers and let the killers in and
been hiding in that pew. When you walked right past me,
you could have walked right past me. He was kneel down,
he was lying down in the pew, So that that
is possible.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, there's another thing that I can speculate on. That
is the person of interest that I named to the police.
He was a member of the Stanford Marching Band. Something
like two weeks after Artless killing, the Stanford marching band
was scheduled to record guess where in the Stanford Church?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Really?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Now, if this musician was part of the band and
he was a student and they were scheduled to do
music there, to do a recording at the church, is
it possible that he may have asked for and received
some sort of official or unofficial key to the church
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to quote unquote do practice with his Flutuse me with flut.
Last time I saw him actually playing an instrument, Let
me back that up. The first time that I saw
him playing an instrument, and it was not a flute.
It was a trumpet. He was a member of the
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Stanford Marching Band and he was at a football game
at Stanford. He was wearing the Afro wig and he
was playing at trumpet.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
But you saw that in a photograph later on. You
didn't see that in person, right.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I saw that in person. I was at the Stanford
football game, Oh really, and I saw him wearing the
wig and playing the trumpet. And that is partly how
I was able to put two and two together and
say that the person of interest in the church was
someone that I had seen before, and that I was,
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in fact this musician's Stanford marching band student.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Okay, I didn't recall that. I thought you saw this.
You looked in a yearbook or something like that. You
saw his photograph, and that's how you put two and
two together.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
No, I saw him in person. That's the second time
i'd seen him was in the church.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Okay, Now, so you saw him first in the game,
then you saw him second time at the church.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
That's right. At both times he was wearing the after
a wig, which is kind of peculiar for a skinny
white guy to be wearing a after wig.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Absolutely, now how long?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It kind of stuck it in my mind, and subsequently,
when I did interview the suspect, he admitted to me
and to others that he had had an after a wig.
And so to my mind, that's pretty strong corroborative evidence
at least that he was at the same.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Right now the murder. Now, you witnessed this situation there
that night, the AFRO, this weird ceremony going on, naked girl,
When did you find out about the murders taking place
in that church?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Several days later, I was flying to some business meeting
in southern California, and I saw a headline on a
newspaper of somebody in the airplane talking about someone being
killed in the church, and I thought, wow, that's strange.
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I was just there, but I did to the media.
I did not read the newspaper, and subsequently, southern California,
I was out of the news cycle. I was not
part of the major push by the media to explore
what had been going on there. I was out of
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the loop. I wasn't watching television, I wasn't reading newspapers. Basically,
I forgot about it except for thinking that it was
a weird thing that I'd seen. And so I was
not able to come forward immediately and give my evidence
until much later when I did talk to a retiring policeman.
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The case was still open, and that is when I
say to make my report.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
How many how many years later?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Was that something like forty years later?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Forty years later? Okay? Now, and so you have reported
this to the police. The police took you seriously, they
interviewed you, described that whole situation.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Well, I met not only current coal case detectives from
the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department, but I also met
a retired detective who originally was in charge of the
Arlest Perry murder at that time, and I met them
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at a restaurant I think it was down Gilroy, where
I gave them my testimony and I also volunteered to
give them to verify the fact that I was not
actually a suspect, that I was not one of the
where was weirdos who comes out of the good work
and wants to semi confess any case. I gave my
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testimony and I gave my DNA, and subsequently I met
with the retired detective A. Randy Bynum, and we went
together to see the suspect in southern California had a performance.
That is where I interviewed him in the green room,
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and that's where he confessed to having had a a
Afro wig which he wore when he was at Stanford.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
And when you interviewed him, you did it under the
guise of being a reporter, right or you interviewed him
as a well.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I called the Associated Press before the meeting and I
told him that I wanted to take pictures of the performance,
and that we were going to be speaking to the
performer and that if there was an interest on their part,
that we'd be willing to bring those forward to the
Associated Press. They decided not to accept those photos and
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the interview. But it was frankly, so that we would
have legitimacy if the fellow or his handlers decided to
do a checkout to make sure that we were in fact,
legitimately there interviewing him.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
And when you went to an interview im you didn't
actually confront him about the murders or anything like that, right,
I did.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Not the moment that he admitted that he did have
the after wig if I had a strong verge to
place him under citizens arrest. But I was there with
the former detective and with a psychologist who was also
pretending to be a reporter, and I respected their opinion
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that it was unwise to make any moves on the
guy until we were able to make our reports and
have the authorities make decisions as to what steps to
take that would be legal, legitimate, and reasonable so that
it would not perhaps screw up the case. I would
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not want a murderer, possible murderer, to walk free because
of any mistakes that I made.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
So Randy Bien is retired state troople. I believe.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
No. He is a retired detective from the Santa Clara
County Sheriff's Department, and he was in charge of the
Rles Perry murder case at the time. He is now
he's retired from the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Department. He
runs a private detective company in California.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, He's a private miskeuit. And this is a serious guy.
He's not like an ambulance chaser. He's not a glory hound.
He's not looking for media attention all the time. I've
tried to interview him a few times and he's always
back to the way. So he's not someone who's flighty
to just kind of come up with stuff. He's taken
it seriously. He's what I'm trying to say, Okay, he's
taken let me.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Put it to you this way. My opinion of mister
Bien is that he is a professional. He has a
lot of experience in doing police work, and he is
shy of going to the media because he prefers for
all actions to be channeled through the authorities, which in
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this case is the senac Lark County Chefshireprotment.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Have you spoken to him since this new development.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I have not. I have thought of it but I
have not yet called him. I tried getting him to
talk to me about various aspects of the case for
a number of times, number of months, and I have
the same issue as you do in that he's very reticent.
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He does not want to commit to anything that we
again cause the possible murderer to go free because of
some bad action or wrong action on my part or
his part, or our parts. So I respect them.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Now have you you don't have a book or anything? Right?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
A book? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Book? Well, you haven't written a book about this. I'm
trying to get in now, we're trying to examine your motives.
If people said, well, I don't believe Brian mcrack and
he has a motive to lie. He's a motive to
make this story episode. But now what about you did
go to somehow the press found you or you contacted
the press that lives in New York Post.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, that's kind of complicated. What's happened is is that
in my trying to find out more information about this,
I read about the Berkowitz notations about the murders, saying
that he knew who it was. And I wrote a
letter to Berkowitz in jail in New York. He's there
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for life, of course, because of murderer. And I took
some random mug shows off the Internet and I mixed
them with the person the ficture of the person that
I had named as a suspect, and I asked him
to pull who he thought was the murderer out of
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that lineup which I put in the letter. He never responded, However,
I found out later that someone in the jail, in
the prison had sent my letter to some friend of
theirs or some associate, a LEO law enforcement person in
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North Dakota. I believe there wassequently the Prescott hold of it.
They contacted me, and so much a time, and so
much time had gone past from the time that I
made the report to the fact that I had not
actions from the investigators determining whether or not the DNA
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or hand for evidence had been checked up on with
the suspect. I decided that the best thing to do
to move justice forward was to go public with what
I had known, what I saw.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
So you did an I have a motive?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Have I thought of writing a book? Yes, I have
thought of it, because, frankly, I'm wondering whether or not
that would help move things forward. But have I written one?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Am I motivated for anything besides telling the truth? Now?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And then? Were you paid for that New York Post interview?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
No? No, no?
Speaker 3 (24:59):
And you never asked me for money? And I did
an interview now I found you. You didn't come looking for me.
I found you, right, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
No one has offered money, and if they did offer money,
then I wouldn't take it.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
All right, you never asked me for money. I never
read it.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'm strictly justice for for our less and her family.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Besides the interview you've done with me, have you done
any other interviews?
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Only with the New York Post?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
See, so you're not looking for publicity either. And I
kind of bug you two to come on the show, right,
you don't really come looking for me? Okay? So, but
you know we've become Facebook friends. You're always kind of
making kind remarks and stuff like that. Now, so okay,
so if you're not a glory hound, you're not getting
paid for this. Uh so far, that's we can lay
that out and I can testify to that myself. Now,
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what do you make of the Berkowitz tale? What he
claims that Bill Menzer was involved you know, and in
this cult, and if they stalked her from North Dakota.
I'm sure you've read the military book and you've followed
all that.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
What do you make of that theory?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Well, like anyone else, I have absolutely no idea whether
or not he's just a radio nut to have the
excitement and adrenaline rush of being part of something, or
whether or not he actually did know something and that
he thought about possibly revealing it but didn't change his
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mind because quote unquote he found Jesus and he wants
to put all that behind him. I don't know. That
is why I sent him the letter, giving him the
opportunity to pull a person out of a lineup, but
it didn't work. That actually backfired on me in terms
of giving me fairly unwanted publicity and the attention of
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the media. But that was my attempt. I was trying
to get the information from Murkowitz. He decided not to respond,
and so whether he knew or did not know, I
have really no I did obviously from what he's done
in terms of the people he's murdered, he has some
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kind of problem, whether he's completely insane or mostly disturbed
or whatever. I don't know, but whether he actually does
know who killed NLAs or not, I would like to
know that. I would like to go there and interview them,
but that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
It doesn't surprise me that that who's ever checking Burkewitz's mail,
you know, would have tipsters and contacts in the media
that he sells tips to and stuff like that. That
doesn't surprise me. Now. Yeah, and Berkowitz, the people he
named in the cult, Sam car they lived in North Dakota,
and so that there is a connection there as far
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as that goes. So you know, there's all that, And
how would Burkerwitz know about this obscure case anyway, This
wasn't a famous case until more Interney started talking about.
It wasn't nationwide famous, but it wasn't famous in New York.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
You know, I don't know, but you know there's there's
again a little piece of speculation that I'll do. There's
a cult called Salimah, right, you familiar with the cult?
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Yeah, Crowley, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, it just happens that
there is a coincidence between the.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Arlics Kerry Burder and the anniversary. I forget if it's
the birth or death of Alister Crowley.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Is that night really know?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
For for someone doing a ritual who was a member
of Salima and who was an aficionado of Crowley and
his Dark Hearts, that would use your connection, that would
be a possible clue.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, I would believe that this is or not go ahead.
I would believe that the Process people that that the
Berkwoods points to would have a connection to Crowley because
there's that connection that the Grimson was involved in scientology
and Crowley was involved in scientology. So I could see
that connection there. I think that's a pretty clear connection
with the bunch that he was running with.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Okay, well, I was soting like to have it corroborated
with Berkowitz, and Berkowitz would say, oh, yeah, I was
a member of Process Church, or I was a member
of Salima or whatever it is. You know, that'll be
a step towards getting more information that would lead us
to a conclusion. And I don't think the conclusion is Comford.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Right now, Let's get to Crawford. I'm sure your interest
in this is much greater than the average person. So
you've read everything about Crawford that you could find.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, I can't say, I've read everything. Frankly, I've just
come from a funeral that happened shortly after the news
about Crawford, and so I've not necessarily done a whole
lot of research. I've done enough reading about it to
have my doubts about whether or not Crawford was absolutely
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the only person involved in murder of artist and the session.
My physicition is is that he was on the scene,
that he made regular rounds of the church, that his
DNA may or may not have been there because of
the rounds, and he made, in fact, have been one
of the people who stole things from the body and
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perhaps left other DNA evidence, So who knows. I don't
know at this point.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Now they described that they found the military book The
Ultimate Evil in his closet. What do you make of that?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Repeat that again?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Yeah, The sheriff reported that they found Moretarry's book The
Ultimate Evil in Stephen Blake Crawford's closet. What do you
make of that?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Well, being that he was a security guard there, he
is part of the history of what happened at the
church at that time, It's not too surprising that he
would have an interest in any thing that was published
regarding what he was part of, one way or the other.
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So whether or not that indicates that he was a
raving maniac who wanted to get all the information he
could about a glorious time that he had submitting this murder,
or whether or not he was simply a security guard
who wanted to collect information about his career. I had
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no idea.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Do you find it odd that the Sheriff's Department would
make such a bold statement as to say, well, okay,
now this case is closed, it solved, and it's done
with this one suicide.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think it's very odd. I do. Yeah, And like
I said, why the DNA evidence was not available to
them forty some years ago, but the handprint could have
been corroborated with everyone at the scene, and of course
the security guard, right as one of the very first
people they should have checked. Why did they wait so
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long to serve the warrant on the cross of that.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
That's true, we had the DNA in the nineties. Yeah,
we had DNA in the nineties OJ, Right, So why
didn't they do this back then?
Speaker 1 (32:17):
You know, well they didn't have it back in seventy four.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Right, No, but in the nineties we've had it. It's
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, we've had it, you know. I can also speculate
that perhaps there was some problem with the DNA the
way it was stored. I don't know. But what I
do know is is that the handprint was there. They
should have been able to check the handprint g Amster
security guard forty four years ago. Why did it take
until twenty eighteen?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah. And also another thing too is
what would motivate a suicide in this case? Okay, and
that would indicate that he had something some serious involvement
enough to be worried, right, not just some peripheral involvement,
but also to suicide usually indicates that you just you
want to keep your mouth shut, You don't want to
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the story to get out.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well maybe then again, he was also old, what was
something like seventy two, seventy three. Perhaps they had evidence
that or he had guilt about the fact that he
did in fact steal stuff from Arliss. Maybe he didn't
want to have the embarrassment to revealing that he had
masturbated over the corpse. This is all speculation, but you know,
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why he committed suicide I don't know, But why he
might have, I can certainly speculate about. But still I
got to come back to the handprint. So as I know,
the handprint did not manage Crawford. He and they did. Maybe,
But you know that's two separate pieces of evidence. One
(33:54):
is it the campbell, the others on the prayer rug.
Could there have been two people at the scene, one
being the security guard after the facts, I have no idea,
but it's a possibility. So for the police to make
a blanket statement that the case is closed, it's solved,
that it's over with, I don't think it might opinion
(34:18):
that is appropriate.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Okay, And now the other clues that led you to
your suspect, the composer we'll call him. Can you give
us some other reasons why you're convinced it was him?
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, I investigated some aspects of his behavior. He was
famous for doing odd things at the school. For example,
he would go to a performance by some other musician
at a concert hall at Samford and he would feed
pay He would feed Hay into the piano while the
(34:59):
other guy was playing, or he would spend twenty five
minutes in a performance quote unquote, standing on stage in
front of hundreds of people popping bubble wrap. Of course,
wearing the afro wig, whether with the marching band or elsewhere,
that's kind of an hot thing for a white guy.
(35:23):
I mean, in any case, that was enough to make
me feel that he was a kind of a strange guy.
But then I listened to his music, and I can't
say I'm particularly fond of his music. It's pretty boring
for me. But because I was trying to do real research,
I listened to it all the way too, which is
(35:44):
very long pieces in at least one of them, after
eight or ten or twelve minutes, the long long musical
or so called musical performances. At the very end, he
says things like, don't worry, I'm not going to hurt you.
(36:06):
You're not like the others. So what does that say
to me? It tells you that the guy is an
interesting guy the terms of the standpoint of being a
possible suspect. So when you looked into a circumstance and
I were checked the handbrin yet.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Enough, I hear you, man, I hear you. Now, what
about in your research into this gentleman who he's a
Grammy Award winning composer, Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (36:36):
That's what I'm told.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, the award winning guy done a lot of composing
a lot of uh scores to TV shows and movies
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Now, in your research is also apparently one of the
pulis there.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Oh really, Okay, that's anthing, pulter. Now, did you did
you notice anything about his fascination with Crowley or Thelma.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
I have no direct understanding knowledge of connections to Salima
or Crowley other than the fact that I know that
he lived within a short distance of one of the
Thelema temples.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
M did you ever try and contact the temple see
who's a member?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
By coincidence? Somebody who was involved with the Lima talked
to me about Lima, but he never told me that
they knew that that person of interest was actually a
member of the temple or whatever visited. I'm just curious
about the fact that there was a geographical coincidence of
(37:37):
location between this suspect and the Lima.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
The temple, Okay, and there was also an incident to him.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
I am the fact that And to go back to
the ad that the Salima connection falls in with the
anniversary of Crowley's I think it was his birth and
the murderer of Arlis Perry.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
And since you've gone public, you're never contacted by ALUs
Parrie's husband or anything like that or other investigators, researchers anything.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Uh no, huh.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
And it was also bizarre thing. I know. I'm on
the cutting edge, man, I'm on top of everything here.
I don't let any any clue slip by, thank you
very much. There was an odd incident too, with this
composer that he was banned from Disneyland because they did
some kind of stunt on a Disney ride.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
That I've not heard about.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Yep, okay, man, I might think. I think it was
on that Jungle Cruise, the jungle boat thing that they
do that he had a bunch of guys got in
there and they started acting up and they were banned
from Disneyland. I believe because there was a chat room
after we did our interview. There was a chat room
discussion where people just pull they they they've caught this
guy right away the clues he left us in the
(38:54):
last interview, people were able to figure it out immediately. Brian,
is there anything I've forgotten to ask you that you
want to share with us that you know about this case?
Going on.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
All I know is that I don't feel comfortable about
the alleged summarily decided dismissed flow of the case, the
fact that they're saying that it is done, that is closed,
that the Crawford guy is definitely the person who committed
(39:31):
the murder of Arles Perry. All I want to do
is to find out if there is a match between
the handprint and the other suspect. So, you know, I
can speculate all day long, and so can you, and
so can everyone else. Yeah, but those are the two
primary points, that is the DNA and the handprint, and
(39:56):
perhaps the circumstantial evidence of the behavior on this person
against So I'm waiting for more information.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Okay, Brian, thank you so much. If anything comes up,
you know where to find me. Okay, if you get
any new information, Okay, get a hold of me. Man,
thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I'm doing this off the cuff, and I'm ad Leabane,
and I apologize for the fact that you can hear
the cars going by. I literally pulled off the freeway,
so I had to do this interview with that offer. Mom.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
No, excellent, your audio is excellent, your presentation is excellent. Man,
thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
All right, sir, thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
I okay. They had a Brian McCracken eyewitness to an
event in the church there where they later found the
body of Arles period hours later. We'll be right back
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(45:27):
your host private investigator at Opperman. We just spent the
last forty five minutes with Brian McCracken, who is an
eyewitness to a bizarre scene of a naked girl on
an altar in the church, gentleman playing a flute with
a afrowig gun that he later identified as being this
famous composer now today eyewitnessed this scenario and then within
(45:52):
hours they find the dead body of Arles Perry in
this church at Stanford University. Now let's start with this.
I've I'm the only guy to interviewed Brian McCracken. Okay,
I found him from the New York Post article, contacted him,
found him, he came on the show, didn't interview with me.
(46:13):
Did about an hour's In a member section at operaman
Report dot com, you can find that where we went
over this detail by detail by detail. I think it
was two hours with them, Okay, going over the details
of his story, and I was way back. Okay, that
was a while back, a little over a year. Since
that time, we've been normal, everyday Facebook friends. You know,
my daughter does something. He always is a nice, comment polight, professional.
(46:38):
A lot of times I'll have guests on the show
and then they go on my Facebook and you know,
and you say, well, you know, and they start acting
a little weird. You know, they're a little weird, you know,
and you say, well, you know, they've been through a lot.
You know, they've been through a lot. They're a damaged person,
they've you know, their survivor. Uh, they're a little rough
(46:59):
around the edge is and what do you call it?
But you still you take your witnesses as they come,
you know. And and even though this witness has been
through a lot of stuff and now they're a little wacky,
I still give credibility to the testimony that they recited
to me. Now, with Brian McCracken, I can tell you
(47:21):
he's only been professional. He's only been stable in every
possible way, only been courteous, only been logical, you know,
and coherent one hundred percent of the time. I've seen
nothing to indicate this guy is seeking publicity. I've seen
nothing to indicate that he's fabricating things. Now, he could
(47:43):
be wrong, could be a mistake, Mamy walked into the
wrong church, who knows, maybe dreamed it, who knows. Okay,
all that's possible. But as far as his credibility, I
gotta give him, give him top marks on that man
as far as being a credible guy. He's also been
in contact with this guy Randy buying him who Again,
I gotta give a lot of credibility to this guy too.
He's not one of these guys out there chasing stories,
(48:03):
getting his name in the paper, you know, trying to
drum up work. But you know, sober guy, you know
who took this case serious enough that he took Brian
McCracken by the hand and he went down and set
up this whole pretext of doing an article and photographing
and getting in there and meeting with this composer. So
(48:27):
I got to give that a lot of credibility, you know. Now,
the show's in a member section, so it hasn't received
that much. There's only like five Digreen members, so it
hasn't received that much attention. This show will receive a
lot of attention, and we'll see what comes up after
this and I probably will be released in the member
section show within the next couple of months. But you know,
(48:49):
if you want to support the show and you become
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to California this week. It's a little combination college tour
I'm taking with Victoria to go look at colleges in California.
But also too, I'm working on the McMartin preschool investigation.
(49:13):
Meeting with a witness out there, and there's some documents
that can pull that will be really we're going to
blow the little off the McMartin case. So that's in
the work. So again I need funding for that too.
If you want to become a member Oppermanreport dot com.
But I'm hoping also too to take a trip up
to Stanford and going there to one of these press
(49:34):
conferences with the sheriff, you know, talk to the public
information officer up there. It seems like a small sheriff's
department that you can get in there easily, So I'm
hoping to pull out off too as well. If we
can get some extra time and some extra funding, and
that's why I'm booking. I take like six hours today, guys, Okay,
I take six hours today. I did an interview that
I interviewed Nathan Forest Winters. I'm interviewing Brian McCracken, but
(49:56):
I'm interviewing Nathan Forest and Winster's movie filmmaker. After this,
as I get off the phone with this, maybe I
can take a little nap and eat some almonds or
something like that. So I'm working on a lot of
stuff here. I can't. By the way, too, if you're
not a member of the military Facebook page Military the
(50:17):
Ultimate Evil Facebook Page and you want to be, contact
me on Facebook and I'll add you to the group.
This since this has come up the past week and
the more too. Because Molitarry wrote the book on this story,
Military brought the story to life. No one was to
know anything about this or cared about this case until
he made the connection to the process charge cultu from
(50:37):
Burke with his own statements and writings that they stalked
her from North Dakota to Stanford and that Bill Mensaw
was involved. Now in that group, in the military group,
there's people from North Dakota that're intimately involved in this case.
And if you listen to their writings and their speculations
about this and there the review of this case, no
(50:59):
one believe this case it ends with the death of Crawford.
No one who's looked into None of the people who've
looked into this an who were the backbone of the
all this peri investigation for the past forty years, none
of them I think that, Uh, you know what, Okay, Hey,
so it was Crawford. No one thinks this, you know.
(51:21):
And now they're saying that possibly Corawford's connected to other
murders up there in the area, other Stanford students, Stanford
students that were murdered around the time they believe that
Crawford may be connected to. Now, there's got to be more.
Crawford didn't just kill himself because they found some DNA
in his church, you know, there's got to be more.
(51:44):
And around this cult and this stuff, there's a lot
of suicides and a lot of strange, unusual debts. We
got to look at all this soberly with an open mind.
But we can't just close the lid on this thing
and say, well, it ends with Crawford, just like they
(52:05):
want us to do over and over with the Son
of Sam case, you know, in many of these cases.
So that's what I got for you on that. Check
out the member section with Brian McCrackan, the show I
did with him. In there, we go into this story
(52:27):
in detail. If you're not a member, become a member
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Did a long interview you can find it on YouTube
(52:50):
with a YouTube channel named Lift the Veil Nathan Snoppelman.
I did a log interview with him.
Speaker 4 (52:57):
Now it wasn't even how long.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
Would it felt like a log are going on? And
then the interview itself didn't feel a long. The interview
went very well. But when I'm reading the comments on
you said, oh my god, I'm gonna be talking about
this on Friday night. But we discussed at length, and
last week had discussed atlength to McMartin Preschool case, and
(53:18):
I discussed it with Nathan Stoppelman and I can't impress
on you enough how we're really close to blowing a
little off this thing. Okay, and some people have figured
out what I'm talking about, but there's other I have
witnesses with a connection to those properties that have spoken
(53:42):
to me. Then I'm going to get a statement from
So we had a lot going on here and with
this trip to make Martin Preschool. Then get into fund
that you contact medet operaman Report at gmail dot com
and become a member thirteen months a lot. I know
a lot of people's memberships are coming due, so keep
your eye out for that. Okay, coming up when I
get back, hopefully if I get back in time, I'm
(54:03):
gonna be speaking with Gritchen Bonna Ducci, the ex wife
of Danny Bona Ducci. And you can imagine what their
life has been like. Now. My ex girlfriend went to
high school with Danny Bonaducci, Okay, and Danny Bonaducci in
high school there in Hollywood was best friends with Michael
(54:25):
Jackson and Christian Brandoh. What a trio, right, What a trio.
And I've heard some stories about what went on down there,
and hopefully we can get into some of that with
Chritian Barnaduci but just what we could talk about we
don't uncover. That interview is gonna be gold and I'm
looking forward to that. Did an interview with Nathan Forrest Winters,
(54:49):
who was the young man who was just six years old.
He was groomed and targeted by this Victor Salva filmmaker
and molested him from six to eleven, got arrested, did
like fourteen months, came out and was given another keys
to the Francis Ford Coppola Kingdom and where the young
(55:14):
victim was sued for five million dollars for breach of
contract for not completing the work on the film. So
it's a tragic story. I did two hours were victed
with them, Nathan Forest Winters, that you could find in
the archives. But I just did another hour with him
where we talk about his new film. It's a documentary
film called The Babysitter, and we're gonna be check that
(55:35):
out too. It's a lot of good stuff in there too,
and I'm gonna be talking to the filmmaker or Connor
Frasier actually later on today I'm filming, like taking like
six hours today man, doing a lot of interviews. I
did an interview myself and I'm interviewing another three hours. Hey, busy, busy,
busy week. So thank you so much, Brian McCracken. He's
(55:57):
got not in a selling he's got no book, he's
got no movie deal, you've got no articles, he's done
no other interviews except with me and the New York Posts.
And he was outed by that, which it doesn't surprise
me at all, because that does happen. I've had it
myself happen where I've contacted a witness or someone in
the jails of the prisons and then the word gets out.
You know, there's a lot of gossip goes on too,
(56:19):
man in those prisons, with those stuff. It's just fascinating,
even with other prisoners and stuff like that. Sometimes you
be talking to an inmate and you'll be contacted by
another inmate. Why do you know about me? Let's go
right here. Oh everybody's talking about it. So you know,
I'm not surprised at all that they would tip off
the New York Posts and have a contact there that
(56:40):
pays them for tips and stuff like that. So thank
you so much, Brian McCracken. And once again, if you
want to support the show, you want to make a donation,
We take donations too as well operamandreport dot com. It's
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know where our funds will be one and low. We're
(57:01):
going to be looking for funds that would be nice
too as well. So I got two new interviews going
up in the member section, one with the Nathan Stoppelman's
gonna be in a member section and one what I
just did today with Joe Gazebo Michaels, who has a
radio show called Parallax Something, and that's a good ninety
(57:22):
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Thank you so much, John Alite.
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I'm looking forward to being Starckborough's character. Say I'm looked
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(58:42):
a shout out to Shane McKay. You know, there's a
lot of obstacles to producing the show and to recording
the shows and doing these interviews, especially when you're dealing
with the phone service and overseas phone calls and Skype,
the audio levels of the guests and the host. So
what we do now with when I record these shows
before we air the shows, except for the live segment
(59:04):
I do Friday nights, we send the audio file over
to Ireland to Shane McKay. It's about Scin as a gentleman.
He came up from Ireland and he volunteered to take
my audio and enhance it and edit it down. And
now even too. He's editing the commercials for me in
and out. He's our resident audio engineer and he's doing
(59:24):
all this just the support of the show here. Provides
high quality audio and music production services remotely from his
professional sound studio over there in Ireland. So if I
can send him my tapes from here in the US,
I send him the email and the MP three. You
could do this from anywhere in the world, wherever you
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and Shane can handle it for you. He does audio
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amazon McKay. But his email address s C I N
M A C K A Y at gmail dot com. Shane,
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I can't thank you enough for helping out here and
all you do forours. He's an Irish lode up there
in Ireland, and we don't hold that against them though,
and a lot of good folks up there. Now, let's
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