Cambridge Analytica & Funding Alt Right Media

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I'm really excited about today's show. We have a returning guest,
Neil Sanders. His website is Neil Sanders mindcontrol dot com.
He's been on the show several times. He wrote a
book about Manson. He wrote a book about hypnotism and
mind control. Very well researched work from Nil Sanders. Everybody
enjoys his content whenever he comes on, and Cambridge Analytica

(02:51):
and the Creation of right wing Media is his latest
contribution to his block, Neil Sanders, mind control dot Com. Neil,
are you there?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I am mad?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
How are you okay? I was almost panicked the I
though we didn't have you because we had some problems
that hey, you know, we should tell you.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
I just called Neil on Skype before it and we
had some pinging noise like he was down in a
submarine okay, like it was on sonar, And then I
disconnected on scape. I still had to come on. I
had a reboot. It was a twenty minutes we went
trying to get the show started, but we got them now.
So Neil, tell the audience about yourself. Who is Neil
Sanders cool?

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Well, Well, I've I've read a couple of books about
my control. I'm generally interested in sort of my control
and all aspects of it, and that that can run
from sort of you know, the application of sort of
truth seriums or propaganda, to mansoring candidates, to social control
and influencer with the media and the music industry and entertainment.

(03:53):
It's a fairy broad topic, but I became interested in
a few years ago basically after watching and the Manchurian
Candidate film and thinking, you know what, that's not entirely implausible,
to be quite honest, if you had the correct you know,
abilities and desires, you could actually you could walk about

(04:16):
with people's brains and in a very very similar way.
And so I started looking into the sort of declassified
documents and that the various of pieces of evidence that
actually exist, and there's there's a surprising amount out there
that actually they're not quite that shy about explaining what
they can do to the human psyche and how they

(04:36):
can manipulate people.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, we did a very long interview two hours about
mind control about your mind control book. What is the
mind control book called?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Again, it's called Your Thoughts Are Not Your Own? And
there's two volumes in one volume, two obviously.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
And then you did another book about Charles Manton.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, that was the more reason one that I did.
I've always been really fascinated by the Charles Manster case,
Prince you will, basically other than the sort of the
fact that he's he's also he's a part of American history.
He's an icon it did. The story itself is absolutely
fascint but there's soe many offshoots from it as well.

(05:15):
And I'll be honest, I initially got into it because
I thought that he was another sort of mind control program,
that he was connected to the CIA, or that he
was being used by the CIA, or perhaps sort of
an MK ultra victim or even a handler, or even
the fact that it might be connected with some sort
of like cults that were all sort of a part

(05:36):
of a program called MK often, which was essentially, you know,
seeing how they could create cults to control people. So
what I did was I just sort of laid out
all the different theories and tried to sort of apply
them to the timeline as detailed a timeline of Manson's
sort of life as I could, and try and figure
out which were plausible and which weren't plausible, and by

(05:57):
the time I got to the end of the book,
I actually haven't had a very very different outcomel, you know,
I expected to be quite honest.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, and we did a couple of hours on EDWO
as well. People can find it in the archives. Now, now,
what about yourself, because you're that's a very brilliant guy,
you know, no youtually kind of what is what is
your educational background?

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, I did psychology at a university and then I
went on and did an m in film studies. I'm
trained as a clinical hyma therapist as well, which I do,
but I also have a sort of normal office job
as well. So yeah, educationally, that was at university and

(06:39):
nothing that I actually applied, Nothing that I did do
apart from sort of you know, apploying it sometimes to
this Do I actually do my daily job really, if
I'm honest, But well maybe a bit a bit in
this therapy, but only very vaguely.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
So you went to school for psychology, but you're also
a hypnotist, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I did. I did a lot of psychology stuff at
university level. I've got to the point where I could
have done the next level and trained to be a psychologist,
but that would have taken another two years, and I
basically couldn't afford it, so I didn't.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
And you're you're also a hypnotherapist, you said, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, well that was what I did. Was in the interim,
So I was waiting to decide whether I was going
to go back to UNI. I thought, I'll learn how
to be a hypnotherapist. And then when I discovered that
I couldn't actually go back to UNI, I continue doing
the hypno therapy and it is incredibly useful. It's a
very very effective treatment for for all sorts of of things.

(07:39):
Like it's surprisingly like you know, obviously we know about
things like sort of anxiety and stress, weight lost, that
type of thing that can help with, but it can
also help sort of physical habits like psoriasis or nail
biting or self harm, that type of thing. It's it's
it's very strange, but it's very effecting.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, I believe it works. I used someone or these
self hypnosis videos on YouTube, and what do you think
of those?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
It depends on the ones really, to be quite honest, Well,
I do a thing called well, essentially hypnotherapy is it's
it's allowing yourself to fall into a trance like state
or a very very relaxed distracted state by which essentially
somebody can talk to your subconscious more easily, so that

(08:27):
that's the same human sist doesn't actually hypnotized you. They
create the circumstances that allow you to go into hypnotism,
so I could see some would work. It's very it's
not dis similar from doing the sort of mantra or
that type.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Of thing, right right, Like there was affirmations and things
they talk about as well.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well, yeah, the affirmations is actually surprisingly helpful as well.
To it is basically if you do if you if
there's something that you're not particularly good at, you can
come out with positive affirmations and say them out loud
and it sort of kind of tricks your brain into going, oh,
hang on, maybe that's true, and you know it did
it makes you make different decisions and stuff like that.

(09:03):
So yeah, they can it could all be very helpful.
I mean just something like you play sports, I'm sure
ed like you know, like if you're ging of the
team or you get you know, if you know, get
that sort of camaraderie game and stuff like that, you
find that you play a lot better.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Basically, so I guess it was with this experience and
background in mind that when you started taking a look
at the Cambridge Analytica and the creation of the right
wing media and how they were manipulating people using bats
and artificial intelligence, that's how this has jumped out at
you right.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Well kind of, I mean, basically I was I was
looking at it, okay, I'm I stumbled across an article
by the woman who's been investigating it in the UK.
It's a lady called Carol caud and she'd sort of
again just sort of stumbled across it, and what she
was concerned about was the infant on on bread because
essentially they overspent on the campaign. Also on both sides

(10:01):
of the contusion might sort of disinformation and misinformation just
outright lies. And she basically started looking into this and
the influences he might have had over the the election.
And basically the gentleman who seems to be financing this
group also connected to Don Trump. He was finance town.

(10:34):
Cambridge Analytica was a was a British couple called s
c L. That was why a guy Nodule, who is
widely believed to be an m I five spy. He
certainly moobs with the queen, and he's an Auditytonian, so
he fits the bill, so to speak. And he basically

(10:54):
moved from the the area of psychological sort of manipulation.
He was looking at sort of the say, military psychological
warfare profiling in the way that you can manipulate populations
by causing fear or dissent, or by spreading rumors and
causing discontent in the general populace and that type of thing,
and he was saying that this could be utilized to
apply it to manipulation of populations on the whole. What

(11:19):
they could do is they could utilize certain data mining
technologies that they could they could bring in in order
to make this more successful. And so it was a
mashing together of military psychological warfare type of programs and
projects and that type of thing with this new aspect

(11:42):
of data mining and through algorithms. I mean came and
j Analytica that the the the tagline on the website
is data driven behavioral change. That's what they boast about.
And it was all of these things that were sort
of really making me sort of like, oh wow, this
is uh, this is intro Very soon found out that

(12:03):
CAAMES Analytica has got people from military intelligence and military
psychological warfare operations on the board. There's members of the
US Marine Corps and ex members of the Pentagon who
are on the board. They have interactions and board members
again from places like Marconi Defense and various sort of

(12:27):
sort of very very very troubling weapons manufacturers and connections
to essentially the establishment and the government. So this all
sort of started basically just really really sort of piquing
my interest. And then what really sort of tips over
the edge was the fact that and I will elaborate
on all of this and the timeline that I'm giving

(12:49):
a sort of part of the history at the minute,
what sort of tips over me was the fact that
the programs that they're using, and the programs that they've
used in other countries, as I said, like the of
overthrowing or determining the results of electors in over one
hundred countries, very very proudly they both about they use

(13:10):
a technique and they use methodologies that are really really
similar to things like the g G HG program Jatrick or
s MISK, which was a Department of Defense projects to
control people's emotions on social media or Project Minaret or
various sort of the soft puppet account programs that were

(13:32):
utilized by the American military. I mean, I'm sure people
can remember those stories that weren't too long ago of
them being caught trying to manipulate people's emotions on Facebook
and doing experiments basically to see if they could get
people angry or if they could make people sad, and
that type of thing. This was in mainstream media, but

(13:53):
it wasn't quite pushed at the point where this is
actually your government experimenting on you. It was just like, well,
this is a bit a fair is and it's the
combination of all these different things that basically starts to
paint a picture and ties it together. And then you
look at the way that they actually spread the lies
and those particular outlets and who owns those particular outlets

(14:17):
and those particular personalities, and you go, well, just so
happens to be the very same people that own came
G Analytica, which is you know, strange to say the least,
shall we say so, but it really, well, it is
kind of complicated. So I don't want to kind of
get ahead of and assume that people know too much

(14:41):
about it. Basically the start pointwards when Robert Mercer in
about twenty fourteen or is it twenty twelve I forget,
he approached Nigel Oaks of SCL and put in a
huge amount of money to expand SEL which was this
all already existing psychological company as even then they were

(15:07):
boasting of over throwing elections all over the world. And
Robert Mercer put a huge amount of money into this
corporation and they created a new company called Cambridge Analytica.
And the whole purpose of Cambridgalitic is essentially it's a
data mining company. What it does is it micro targets people.
It either requires data buy stealing it as it did

(15:31):
on Facebook and various other social media platforms, or it
buys it, which he also did on Facebook and various
other platforms. And what it does when it has this data,
it manages to collect so many points about you that
it can start to learn about you. I mean, I'll
just give you an idea like this is This is

(15:53):
a from Aaron Bands, who is the leader of Believe
dot EU, which was the European pro leaving the EU team.
He said, so think it was Andy Wigmore, not every bank.
Andy Wigmore said that a Facebook like was their most
potent weapon because using artificial intelligence as we did, this

(16:13):
tells you all sorts of things about that individual, about
how to convince them, what sort of advert and you
knew that there would be people in their networks who
liked what they liked, so it could spread. The computer
never stops learning and it never stops monitoring. And when
the journalist he was speaking to he says, well, that's
really really creepy. Andy, he says, I know it is.
That's why I'm not on Facebook. There's even more damning

(16:37):
quotes like Alexander nich This was before. Basically what happened,
how this sort of got exposed was the fact that
they were really proud that it helped manipulately old or
they'd helped with the pro Brexit campaign. And so they
were actually going on in the press and they were
stating that they they they've done it, and then somebody

(17:01):
pointed out, well, hang on, that's illegal for a number
of reasons, one because you're overspending massively and two as
they utilized a shelf company to store the data called
aggregate Iq, which was an anident The reason that they
did this was because it falls out of the jurisdiction
of the European Union, they can't actually investigate what they did,

(17:22):
and so it's basically like international waters, so to speak.
You can't have anything to do with this company. But
this company is essentially an offshoot of Cambrige Analytically, it
has the same website server, it has the same telephone number,
and Robert Mercer owns the IP addressable its computer systems,
so you know it is the same company. But Alexander Nix,

(17:46):
who was the gentleman that was basically running Cambridge Analytica
or seemingly running Cambriage analytic Or in the UK both
in twenty sixteen, he said today in the USA, we
have somewhere close to four or five thousand data points
on every individual. So we modeled personalities of every adult
across the USA, some two hundred and thirty million people.

(18:09):
And basically how they would do this is they would
find your data through algorithms and they would micro target you.
Now what's micro targeting. They would figure out exactly what
it is that makes you angry. It was really as
straightforward as that he would find out what issue made

(18:29):
you upset or fearful, and how they could best play
on that. It was not similar from the Southern strategy
that the Notald Reagan employed, where basically they lied about
black tribe to try and sway Democrats in Southern states
to vote for Reagan because he would be hard on
black criminals. And that's the facts. You know, that was

(18:50):
a general policy that they use, so you know, you
can look that up. Don't believe me, But essentially it
was the similar sort of thing. They would find out
what makes you angry, and then they would suddenly befriend
you with about twenty or thirty sop puppet accounts, and
they would bombarde you with either conversation that would rile
you up and tell you that that thing that you

(19:11):
thought was a problem really is a problem, and not
only is it a problem, but it's far far worse
of a problem, and they would bombard you with links
to fake news stories or memes that also supported that
particular theory or theme or trope or whatever. And that
is essentially how they would do it. I mean in

(19:32):
other countries in place of Kenya and Nigeria. What they
also was they became to jennalytic and admittedly they flooded
YouTube with videos and then through your Facebook and other
accounts that showed that if this particular candidate would come
in that he intended to implement Shariah law, and he

(19:54):
would be intercut with loads and loads of different shots
of beheading and and you know, people would be forced
to wear the veil. None of this was true, obviously.
It was just propaganda to try and prey on people's
fears of Islam in general and isis terrorism, and to
make it look like, you know, if you vote for
this guy, you're essentially voting for a caliphe, which was

(20:16):
obviously not true. Similar things were actually utilized in America
because they were proudly involved in the Trump campaign. They
checked with Rudolph Giuliani's firm just to make sure that
it was legal, and he pointed out a loophole that
they could use to manipulate people with essentially psychological warfare

(20:37):
advertising technique. And what they did was they flooded swing states,
particularly in the South, with similar types of videos. Were
videos that showed areas of France and area of Germany
that had supposedly formed under Shariah law. One of the
other things that came toge aanalytically did, because this has
all come out in a recent court case. Basically like

(20:57):
there's been an investigation. Some of it were come out,
some of it as has been completely memory pold, which
I'll come on to a little bit. But essentially they,
as I said, they were also spreading fake stories through
the through various outlets. So if you got angry during

(21:17):
the election cycle about the story of a thirteen year
old girl getting rates in Sweden and her attacker being
let off with community service, I'm really sorry, but you
were tricked by Cambridge Analyticas because that was not a
real story. If you were really angry about those German
this the church that was burnt down in Christmas by

(21:39):
the angry bunch of Muslims in Germany, Unfortunately, that was
a fake story that was planted by Cambridge Analytica. If
thought that the Wiki leagues had revealed that Hillary Clinton
personally sent weapons to Isis, or that she had Kuru disease,
which is the cannibalism disease, or that she'd been diagnosed
with a stroke, I'm terribly sorry, but all of those

(22:01):
stories were proven to be fake stories that were created
by Cambridge Analytics with the express purpose of winding up
a certain swathe of the demographic of America and Europe.
And so this is essentially how it did, how it worked.
It's it's very very clever. Now, the main sort of

(22:23):
problem with this is that, and I'll come on in
a minute to So this is the company, this is
what they do. They boast about, and I've already mentioned
that they've basically got some very very dodgy connections to
people in government and you know, the weapons manufacturers and
stuff like that. Well, let's have a look and see

(22:45):
who else like this company interacts with, because we're going
to start to seeing that this is this is essentially
this is a weapons contractor this this is say, like
we were saying before we on it, it's kind of
like Stratford, which is one of those things which is
the government but isn't the government, and it can be
utilized in various ways.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well let me let me I mean I interrupted for
a second. Yeah, because now I noticed in you in
your blog article and even now in your presentation, we've
seen videos undercover videos of Cambridge Analytical where they discussed
hiring pratitudes and blackmailing politicians. How came you imagine it
in your.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Article because I only had a short article. It's condensed
from a larger presentation that I did truth use Birmingham
that hopefully I'm going to get on on tape at
some point. But yeah, just because basically I didn't have
the chance to expand on that, I saved these loads

(23:41):
of stuff as well that hopefully I can do that
on this program basically. But you're absolutely right. There were
films boasting of again sort of dirty tricks that they
would get away with, and hiring prostitutes, manipulating data, offering
people jobs for huge amounts of money, and then revealing
that these these job offers were from dodgy people so

(24:03):
that it blackened their name. And again they talked about
the spreading of lies and manipulating data and also collecting
and harvesting people's so that they can better understand how
to manipulate you. So this is that that's their absolute
bread and button. So but yeah, you're absolutely right, and
that's exactly what they did. I mean, I didn't talk

(24:25):
about the Nigeria thing or the anything in the blog either.
So hopefully we've got a bit more time here basically.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
So we can now Yeah, you know, it's fair something
because they actually had congressional hearings on this, on this
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
And well, the problem is that basically the technique itself,
well these two problems, right, technique itself in America was
used sort of it was on the on the cusp
of illegality, but it was legal. They checked this with
Rudolph Juliani's law firm. Steve Bannon actually saw the theft

(24:58):
of data and the use of that for some strategations.
Steve Bannon was hiring the hierarchy than Robert Mercer. Steve Bannon,
as some people knows, an ex Goldman Sachs broker, and
he actually helped set up or or boost Breitbart initially
like Breitbart was started by Andrew Breitbart, but then it

(25:19):
actually received a huge amount of funding from Robert Mercer
and also the Koch brothers. And this was done via
an investment company called I that was run by Bannon
and other Goldman Six executives. And basically this was a
way to funnel huge amounts of money into Breitbart while
it's not being seen to be funding huge mass of money.

(25:40):
But to give the impression that this wasn't run by
two of the most wealthy conservative billionaires in the world.
Like the other thing that was revealed in the Panama papers,
which is where this was discovered about Breitbart, is that
they used offshore accounts that they don't pay any tax
in America, which on the face of it doesn't seem
that patriarch to me.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Right, let's take a commercial break. We're here with Neil Sanders.
We're talking about Cambridge Analytica. If you check out his
website Neil sandersmindcontrol dot com, he's got an excellent blog
article in this and as a there's a flow chart.
He's got a flow chart there too, so should go
to that right now, Neil Sanders mind control dot com
and look up this article on Cambridge Analytica and he's

(26:23):
got this whole flow chart which will help you see
how it gets down to people like Pamela Geller and
who's that guy James o'keeth and all these characters. This
is gonna get Yeah, this is gonna hit you at home.
This is this is gonna hit you. Okay, a lot
of you people are following this stuff. You don't realize
how you be manipulated, uh, you know, and how terrifying

(26:43):
this is, you know, because if you look back in
American history, Carl Rove was known as Bush's brain. And
Carl Rove came to prominence just because he had a
mailing list, and he built up a mailing list to
send out mailers to raise funds, and he the president
elected bank in two thousand and became a powerhouse in

(27:05):
Republican politics. Just imagine, this is a whole new ballgame
of mind control and manipulation and data mining and artificial
intelligence and bots. Beyond anything you could imagine ten fifteen
years ago. This is all brand new territory taking over
our political system. We'll be right back with the Neil

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Neil Sanders. You can check out his blog at Neil
sandersmindcontrol dot com. You can also find links to his
books there, books about mind Control, about Charles Manson, And
we're talking about Cambridge Analytica and basically this brand new
technology that's come up in the past ten years or so,

(32:24):
which is terrifying and when you think about it, you know,
I'm a private investigator, you know, and I pay to
get access to certain databases that have your history, you know,
your different information where you've lived, different things that and
it's so guarded and so secretive, and you have to
have licenses and they check your background. You have the

(32:44):
special offices with locks on the doors and all kinds
of stuff. And here we are, this private company Facebook
selling your most intimate secrets, who your ex girlfriend was,
what you like, what you don't like, all this kind
of stuff. And then then they're even asking questions. We
just saw red where they're asking the question, hey, do
you think it's okay to send child pornography to other people?

(33:06):
You know, does it okay to request images of child
pornography on Facebook? What are they doing with this information?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Well, it's interesting that you say that, actually, because that
perfectly segues into what I wanted to say. One of
the other techniques that they actually used as early as
twenty fourteen was they utilized quizes. As you quite right say. Now,
the point of these particular quizzes, and again this was
proven in the recent court case, was to see what

(33:35):
would be effective marketing campaigns for a particular candidate that
they hope to promote. And they came up with several
phrases they felt would really appeal to this core base
that they wanted to vote for their candidate. They wanted
to rile up and get angry that they really wanted
to essentially by using their data manipulate their behavior. And

(33:58):
the phrases that they came up with were drain the swamp,
build the wall, and deep state, and these were utilized.
These were decided on as early as twenty fourteen. Now
at the time came Analytica were going to use ted
Cruz as the candidate. What happened was basically, during the election,

(34:20):
Donald Trump was being a little bit buffoonish on television
and the DNC thought that they could use him as
a sort of straw man. They felt they could easily
easily beat him, and they underestimated both him and came
j analytical and this was proven in the Wiki leagues. Basically,
what happened was that the DNC conspired to get certain

(34:42):
media outlets to promote Donald Trump because they felt that
they could beat him. And people get really cross about that,
but look it up is absolutely one hundred so true.
And what happened was Robert Mercer decided, Wow, this is amazing,
this publicity that you can't buy, and so he moved
his back away from Ted Cruz and he moved it
on to Donald Trump, and he installed Steve Bannon, Kelly

(35:07):
and Conway, and Stephen Miller, and they all did or
still work at the White House now. So Miller, Conway,
and Stephen and Steve Bannon are Mercer people. Bannon's entire
career after he left Goldman Sachs was producing films for
Robert Mercer, all about you know, promoting Sarah Palin and

(35:30):
Ronald Reagan and God he loves Ronald Reagan and that
type of thing.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I think even Duck Dynasty didn't he promote that Duck
Dynasty guy too.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Very possibly, I'm not sure about that, but that would
be a very interesting thing if he did. He went
a bit sort of and with his particular views. Again,
that Duck Dynasty thing is I'm surprised at all because
obviously those Doug Dynasty guys, that beard and living in
the swamp ship is just it's for the tourist, right,
like the real images is very sort of preppy polo

(36:05):
shirts tucked into their sort of khakis type thing.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. People don't realize that in real life,
you know, before they started growing those beards and being
out in the woods, like you said, they're seeing on
golf courses, you know, clean shaven, young preppy guys, college graduates.
These are no hillbillies. Okay, whatsoever? Hey, let me ask
a question real quick, because I hate to keep throwing
you so many curveballs, but this is fascinating to me. Now,

(36:28):
what about the Russians? You know what I mean? Because
we know that Breitbart was chilling for DC leaks and
that just came out recently as well. How much was
the Russian whole thing involved in all this?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Right, the Russian thing is tangential. Do I think Donald
Trump himself has colluded with Russia? No, I think he's
stupid kids trying to impress their father just through idiocy,
not through the actual sort of like malicious intent. Really,
I think he's very possible. They've got some comp on
Donald Trump. And I don't think it's to do with

(37:02):
a piss tape. I think it's to do with possibly
money laundering being a bit for some reason as well,
like this this concept that it's complicated, and we would
like it's all to do with the Ukraine and Syria,
because there's various people trying to fight to get gas
pipelines going through the Ukraine and going through Syria, these
Russian companies and these American companies and the European companies,

(37:26):
and they're all vying for it. And so the breakup
of the European Union. And I'm not pro EU and
I'm not pro NATO, but the breakup of the European Union,
the breakup of NATO on an economic level, benefits Russia
and actually to a degree could benefit America in a
short term. So there are people trying to make money
off it. I'll give you an example. Nigel Barrage of UKIP,

(37:49):
by the way, Bright While UK was set up by
Steve Bannon in the UK specifically to promote UKIP as
a as a parliamentary part He specifically because Nigel Farage
and Robert Mercer have been mates for years and also
Farage and bannoner mates. Because Nigel Farrage, despite another one
of these billionaires pretending to be a man for the people,

(38:11):
He's not a billionaire or he's a multimillionaire. He's an
ex broker, he's an ex banker, he's his establishment as
he can. But just to go back to what we
were saying before about the so basically, yeah, they make money.
Like just before the actual the no vote was announced,
so the lead vote was announced to the public, Nargia

(38:32):
Farrage became privy to the information that this was the
case and went on television and said the complete opposite,
almost like the sort of Napoleonic Wars type thing. And
this caused to drop on the pound, and all these
hedge fund mates like Robert Mercer and Goldman Sachs and
various other people were able to make huge, huge amounts
of money. Another point is that basically when Britain leaves

(38:56):
the EU, what it means is that he is no
longer subject tax avoidance laws. Now, a couple of years ago,
the Panama Papers came out and found that people like
Jacob Ruce marg and William Haig and David Cameron and
all these politicians were not paying tax. That we're using
offshore accounts to basically hide and launder money, and there

(39:17):
will be more stringent looks into that coming January first,
but not if we're not in the EU. The other
point is that basically once we're out of the EU,
it meant that certain provisions like the Human Rights Act
don't apply anymore. Like people say England's got no freedom speech,
it has actually did, like it's guaranteed under the nineteen
ninety six European Human Rights Act, the one you know,

(39:41):
the one that basically the tour is keep telling you
that they want to repeal because terrorists are exploiting it.
They've fort about six alternatives for this, and everyone's been
described as tyrannical at best. So basically the point is
like you're moving your power away from one set of
rupt in swine to another set of corrupt swine, and

(40:03):
none of them have got your your best interests at heart.
And as I say, people are making money off this
either way. I said this before. It's a little bit crude,
but I'll keep beating it. Voting for Trump, voting in
the last American election, and voting in the European referendum
was like being an English child deciding which boarding school
they were going to go to. It doesn't matter what

(40:25):
you want, It doesn't matter what you decide. Ultimately, the
one certainty is you're going to get screwed by an
older boy who is richer than you. That's it. And
that's exactly what happened to the voters on every side.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
But yeah, let that sink in, guys, let that sink in. Okay,
But let me ask another question, because you keep referring
to the Panama Papers, have you tried to contact those
people who originally expose the Panama Papers? They have a
website now, have you ever tried to contact them?

Speaker 1 (40:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (40:54):
No, it's like impossible. They don't want to talk to
anybody anymore. They didn't talk, Yeah, with a lot of
dead right. They've been bought off because they are a
tight left. You don't you want to hear anything about
them anymore, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, But if I me, I just want to read
just a bit to go on for a couple of minutes.
But basically this is this is where I started to
get really wary of CAKA, because it's one thing to
just you know, minipulate advertising and stuff like that. And
I was a bit of wary because basically, you know,
they've got connections to like military on the board and

(41:28):
stuff like that. But I absolutely no idea how deep
it goes. So let's look, this is this is the
company that was behind the election of Donald Trump and
the promotion of Brexit. Basically s c L, which is
the parent company too, came to Jantska. They started working

(41:49):
with the British government as early as two thousand and five.
And how they got in with the British government was
they they presented a scenario whereby they could fate the
entire country chemical explosion that had not happened, so that
they could convince people through fake media reports that a
disaster had happened that had never happened. And this was

(42:09):
how they got the contract with the British government. A
freedom of information. So in twenty fourteen they became came
with analytografter Robert Mercer put his money in and that's
when they started with Steve Banns help stealing information, buying
information and utilizing those quizzes to see what would be
effective manipulation techniques to get you rolled up and angry.

(42:31):
And then this is soon after that started releasing the
videos and the bots and soot puppet accounts. A Freedom
of information request for August seventeen shows that the Ministry
of Defense is twice bought twice brought services from SCL.
Twenty eleven, THED paid forty thousand to SEL for the
provision of external training. In twenty fifteen it paid one
hundred and fifty pounds for the procurement of target audience analysis.

(42:57):
Now here's where it gets messing Well carries a list
X clearance for the MOD It's a List X contractor
for the miniti Defense. What does that mean? A list
X site is a commercial site on British soil that
is approved to hold UK government information marked as confidential

(43:17):
and higher. So essentially, SCL, as early as like two
thousand and five has got the green light to hold
British government secrets. That's pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
So they have a top secret security clearance this company.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, okay, well it gets worse. Right In the US,
the State Department has an ongoing contract for five hundred
one thousand dollars with scl and, according to an official,
this is to provide research and analytical support in connection
with our mission to counter terrorist propaganda and disinformation. In
twenty fifteen, another subsidiary of Cambridge Analytica received one million

(43:59):
dollars to support NATO operations in Eastern Europe targeting Russia.
So it's complicated. As I say, I don't think this
isn't Russian money. This is Mercer money, right, this is
Goldman Sachs money, this is UK and American establishment money.
There's an element of Russia to it. But if you
want to talk collusion, talk about Donald Trump opening eight

(44:20):
businesses in Saudi Arabia whilst he's on the campaign trail
and then selling them billions of dollars worth of material
to kill Yemenies afterwards. Or Kushner accepting businesses in disputed
zones in Gaza and then moving the and then really
pushing to the embassy to Jerusalem. That's that's collusion.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
How about Ras. Did you stumble across Raths in any
of this?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
No, No, who's Ross?

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Okay, that's the company. The Carter page went to Russia
to he was talking to the head of Rath's Neft
And if you look at the.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Page, Dodgy's health for years. Yeah, I know, actually have
him on the camp Pain. But I think that's Manaport
and I think again that's actually Mercer. And they're trying
to manipulate the Ukraine because it was pro Russia things
that he was trying to do in the Ukraine. And
what's in Ukraine, Well, Gazprom, the Russian giant, is trying
to put a pipeline through there. So if you were

(45:18):
a hedgephone manager and you had inside a knowledge of
whether that particularly Ukrainian government might go with what contract
or whatnot, you'd make billions. That's what it's about. It's
to about money and corruption. It's not about espionage at all.
But in order to get that money, they need to
manipulate people because they the people behind this Mercer Reginary
Golden and Zax, Robert Schilman, the Coche brothers, the Welsh brothers,

(45:41):
Betsy dvos Nina Roosewold. They have an ideology which is
particularly far right, and they hope for bringing that. That's
why Trump has got sixty six members of the Heritage
Foundation on his staff, because the coch brothers want it
that way.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah, And it's the Heritage Foundation that's picking the Supreme
Court the nominees.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Absolutely it is. That's what it's about, man Like, this
is the point. The surface is that Donald Trump's a
man of the people, and I'm responding to these issues
that you are angry about. And it's these billionaires that
have maneuvered themselves into power, that are making huge amounts
of money and changing the systems of government for their

(46:19):
own benefit that told you these things that got you angry,
and next to none of them are true. So going on,
basically as recently as July twenty seventeen, the Cambridge Analytic
a website said that his methods have been approved by

(46:40):
the UK Ministry of Defense, the US State Department, and NATO,
and it carries all of their logos on its website. Right,
So this is where it starts getting a bit even
more caging. Mark Turnbull, he was one of the people
that was actually secretly filmed by offering honey traps and

(47:01):
stuff with Alexander Nicks and his profile at the University
of Exeter Strategy and Security Institute, both of his record
in achieving campaign success via a measure of behavioral change.
You know, over one hundred campaigns in Europe, North and
South America. Now, Mark Turnbull previously spent eighteen years at
Bell Pottinger heading up the Pentagon funded PR drive in

(47:23):
occupied Iraq. Now can you remember when those videos had
come out that were fake and they were part of
a PR propaganda campaign that ice fake ices videos? They
admittedly made by Bell Pottinger, which is the same company
now scl Kmeri Janits who is headed up by Nigel Oakes,
who's an old attorney and who, according to the website

(47:45):
power Base, is good friends with the British Royals and
is rumored to be an MI five spy. In nineteen
ninety two, he described his work in a trade journal
as using the same techniques as Aristotle and Hitler. We
appealed to people on an emotional to get them to
agree on a functional level. The president of scl Sir
Jeffrey Patty, a former Conservative MP and defense minister. In

(48:09):
Margaret Thatcher's government. Patty also co founded Tarington Management, which
lists Va Systems and Lockheed Martins among its clients. One
of the company's directors is the one millionaire and former
British Special Forces officer in Borneo and Kenya, Roger Gabb,
who in two thousand and six donated half a million
pounds to the Conservative Party. Scl's links to the Conservative

(48:34):
Party continues for the company's chairman and venture capitalist Junior Wheatland.
He also happens to be the chairman of Such Conservatives Association.
The organization has also been funded by Jonathan Marland, who
is the former Conservative Party Treasurer. He was a trade
envoy under Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, and he is
a close friend of Conservative election statugist Linton Crosby. Property

(48:57):
tycoon and Conservative Party donor Vincent Shane is the single
largest SEL shareholder for over the last decade. Meanwhile, another
director is Gavin McNichol, founder of the counter Terrorism Eden
Intelligence Firm, who ran a Gaight and Plus meeting on
financial intelligence cooperation at the hest of the British government.
Previous board members included Sir James Allan Mitchell, who is

(49:20):
the former Prime Minister of the British Colony, Saint Vincent
Mitchell was a Privy Counselor to the Queen since nineteen
eighty five. The British military and reyal establishment links to
SCL are further highlighted through another director, Reared Admiral John Tolhurst,
a former Assistant Director of Naval Warfare in the Ministry
of Defense and an aide camp to Queen Elizabeth. The

(49:42):
Queen's third cousin, Lord Ivor Mountbatten, was also sitting on
the advisory board for SCL. In twenty sixteen, the Foreign
Secretary and idiot Boris Johnson met with Alexander Nixon Cambridge
Analytica on the advice of the Foreign Officer. You've basically
failed to dispose this meeting in the normal ways, and

(50:03):
he failed to record it in any parliamentary logs, and
he certainly failed to mention it in public. And what
they were talking about was basically, even after this has
been exposed as being technically illegal, the British government sent
an envoid there to talk to them about how they
could continue to use their manipulation techniques to control stories

(50:23):
on the Internet. After that. Now, the reason that none
of this will actually come out properly. So you can
see clearly that this company, it's the establishment, the deep state,
the deep state of the people that came up with
the phrase the deep state as a marketing technique. Now,
the reason that none of this will come out is

(50:45):
because basically the states so obviously connected to the elements
of the British government, which means that if you have
voted Votely or if you voted Trump, you may well
have had very very good reasons for it. There were
very good reasons to vote for that. This is not
a criticism as you'll vote, but by strange, strange coincidence,
these millionaires and billionaires with intimate connections to the Establishment

(51:09):
and to the intelligence agencies, they wanted you to vote
that way. Now some of them didn't. There's essentially been
a fight behind the scenes between rich billionaires to see
who can get into power. And say, Mercer's one, and
he's got his people in the White House, and he's
got his friend the Koch Brothers, the Potage Foundation, picking
judges and staffing the White House, and they've rolled back

(51:33):
EPA stuff, and they've rolled back worker right stuff and
rolled back tax on corporations by twenty five percent, So
it's win win win. Baby's that's why they did it.
It's very very very clear. The most problematical thing comes
from what was revealed again in this particular in the

(51:58):
court case, it was revealed like Kleiser, who is an
ex employee of Cambridge analyticas that the psychological for wharf
methods of SCL and Cambridge Analytics are considered a weapon
of the British government and they're on an export control
So this means that the cambridgeanitor going scl IS is

(52:21):
an X list classification that can hold British government secrets
and in order to employ its psychological for warfare operations
you have to check with the British government before you
do it. This is under export control hire.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Just to clarify what he's saying, they could not be
doing what they're doing without the permission of the British
Intelligence Services.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Yeah, pretty much.

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with Neil Sanders and we're talking about his website at
Neil Sanders mindcontrol dot com and his recent article that
he's written about Cambridge Analytica, which goes so much deeper
than just Hambridge Analytica. It's just like an overall uh okay,
call this. You know it's my control and manipulation of

(58:52):
our electoral system. Right.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Let me let me just give it a bit of
a sort of an overview people and can catch up
because it is complicated, called Cambridge Analytic that bypasses democracy
and covertly influences elections all over the globe with a
combination of social media, fake news, military psychological warfare tactics,
specifically creating artificial enemies leveraging artificial enemies for people to

(59:21):
act against. They have connections to the mod British Military
Intelligence five six, the US State Department, and the British establishment.
The tactics used by SEL are considered a weapon and
are under export controlled by the British government. They use
tactics alarmingly similar to established GHQ programs like j TRIG

(59:42):
and US military and intelligence operations designed to influence behavior
via social media and affect mood. And they are owned
and financed by mysterious far right billionaires and millionaires that
have a white supremacist ideology. And they also finance several
albums of alternative media and appear to be trying to
normalize far out propaganda by spinning it through the alternative media.

(01:00:06):
And again, these companies are also connected to various other
data mining and monitoring companies like Palenteer and also Blackwater
and various other companies like that they work with them,
and to my mind, all of this data mining and expanses,
it's connected with control. It's connected with facial recognition technology

(01:00:29):
like in China where they can send you parking tickets
by catching you on CCTV and everything is tracked. And
if they can track you and manipulate and find out
what data you're watching, they can manipulate you and they
can get you to act in a certain way. And
this is what it's all about. It's about this in
control groid basically, and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
There's really no way to avoid this, you know, because
everywhere you go and they're taking your compiling your information
and your data.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
And I'm sure this is the point. Like you know,
this particular one is a right wing one because as
I say, there's a certain right wing people like Robert
Mercy and Winning Massionary the second who will come on
to shortly that wanted to position people in power to
get their own particular ideology across there's bound to be

(01:01:21):
other operations or the left wing. But the other thing
that people forget, mostly because basically there's this nonsense going
around about the fear of communism at the minute is
that the CIA is very, very right wing and the
American establishment is very very right wing. It wasn't so
long ago that Alex Jones was pointing this out and
pointing out the connections between Schwarzenegger and the Nazi Party,

(01:01:42):
and Karl Rove and the Nazi Party, and the Bush's
and the Nazi Party and Carter of Oldheim and the
Nazi Party, and you know, essentially the Operation paper Clip
and the continuation christ propaganda matrix used to be called
the Fight against the Fourth Reich, and and then mysteriously

(01:02:03):
about Plano twenty fourteen, everyone started changing. There was a
promotion of like Hitler videos, the Greatest story Never told,
and a shift away from the sort of left right paradigm.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Suddenly Sorrows is the bad guy. Sorrows is the one,
you know, Well, this is the point.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Soros is a CI operative that was utilized to overthrow Yugoslavia.
His money was and he's an all round shit right, okay,
But the majority of the stuff that he's leveraged against
him at the minute's supposedly intimate connections with BLM and antifaid.
It's not true he's utilized at the minute at the
minute as agit prop. He's there to be the boogeyman

(01:02:47):
to justify these particular actions. I'm under no illusions that
he's a nice person, Okay, but he wasn't behind Occupy
Wall Street. That was the FBI, And I can prove
that to you. Like the FBI, I had law Second
in the back of their in their pocket. Sabu was
an FBI informant. Sarbu is the person that set up Occupy.

(01:03:09):
The FBI set up Occupy. The FBI also did the
Strapfall hack as well, which Jeremy Harmond is still in
prison for. Like, this is the level of manipulation. This
is the the creation of false opposition that they will
go to. But that's that's entirely the point. And again
every time I do this, people just go, well, Nils
a lefty, which I'm not all if they're slightly moored,

(01:03:31):
like showing their true colors. They go, nails a Jew,
which I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Also yeah, I get those things. So they call me
a libtard and then they call me a jew and
I'm born again Christian. I actually you know, worked in
the ministry. It just blows my mind. And by the
way too, that this Warren Buffett, by the way, is
involved in all this too, because you have here about
James O'Keefe, and then when James O'Keefe came and to

(01:03:58):
Las Vegas where I live here and took down Acorn,
where I know these guys who worked at Acorn, I
know these people personally. But Acorn was the only organization
out here that fought against Nevada Energy. Power increases, power,
rate increases it. Oh my god, Wills making a hasty
He's making a hasty getaway in his batmobile. But when

(01:04:22):
they took down Acorn, then Warren Buffett came in and
brought Nevana Energy because there was no opposition to rate
increases anymore. That's what this whole Acorn thing was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
No, that's interesting you bring up Acorn. One of the
things people goes Andrew Rightbart was on the was in
twenty eleven he tweeted that John Podesta was a pedophile,
and then he died a mere couple of years later,
and people don't do the research and go that's about
the Acorn incident where James O'Keeffe, financed by Andrew bye Bart,

(01:04:51):
dressed up as a pimp and walked into the Acorn
officers and said I've got a children running thing. I'm
gonna sell the charm and then I'll give you the money, okay,
and filmed them and then went away saying, look how
I've stung them. And the actual story was that the
second he left there they found the police and he
was later arrested and charged.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
We yeah, the whole way quit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Just to explain the Bridbar tweet, John Podesta was brought
in to investigate the matter, and because Andrew Breitbart was
connected to it, he was smearing Planned Parenthood and Acorn
by saying they're pedophiles. John Pedesta is protecting pedophiles. So
that is the context of that particular tweet. It's nothing
to do with any of the something else that would
happen in the future, which was also nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
So how else does this trickle down to the alternative
media and these other characters.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Well, again, it's probably easiest if I actually just read
a bit of a slab, if that's okay, sure, right, okay,
so right, So leaving you and other pro Brexit campaigns
illegally invested in Cambridge analytic as tactics, and this was
strangely dealt with incredibly leniently when discovered when Cambridgeanetalitica was exposed,

(01:06:07):
he took over a week for the British government to
get a search and in the meantime the officers were
filmed by the general public being emptied and computers being
taken away from the building, which sounds like a cover
up to me. Steve Bannon personally oversold Cambridge Analytics campaign
to steal and buy your social media data and to
stoke outrage by spreading fake stories to specific audiences via

(01:06:30):
social media. Coincidentally, these stories were also spread by bright Bart,
Judge Report, Info Wars, Daily Caller, and others. What a
lot of people don't know is that General Michael Flynn,
who is basically part of the Trump White House and
took bribes from the Turkish government to arrange for the
slurter of slaughter of Kurds in Turkey, was actually on

(01:06:55):
the board of Cambridge Analytica, which is another curiosity. Right
so breit Bart was exposed as having neo Nazis like
Andrew Weave, Aarrenheimer and Devin Saucier write articles that Milo
Janopopolis would take credit for. Bright Bart and Steve Bannon
have both said that they are involved in a culture
war and have also admitted spreading stories that they knew

(01:07:17):
were fake in order to serve that culture war. Specifically,
they spread the stories about Germany and Sweden, and they
also spread stories that they concocted trying to smear the
accusers of Roy Moore. Roy Moore the possible child molester,
since he was dropped by breit Bart for basically seeing

(01:07:38):
saying that child abuse was okay, Milo Yanopopolis still maintained
the private security firm of Robert Mercer, and then he
went on to work for Info Wars. Milo had said
on the Joe Rogan Show that he'd been on both
parties and seeing young boys having sex with grown men,
but he refused to name them because that would be indiscreet.

(01:07:59):
Now this is quite curious because Steve Bannon's ex business
partners were Mark Collins Rector and Brock Pearce, who were
both convicted pedophiles that threw similar boat parties allegedly with
the director Brian Singer in attendance. Now, shortly before he
grew to fame adopting people during the Gamergay Dave Barkle,

(01:08:20):
Milo and Yannopopoulos was actually employed by The Catholic Herald,
where he mostly wrote articles about how the mea, how
mean the Internet was, and how it should be regulated
to protect people's feelings. Now, Robert Mercer is pretty clear
in his political beliefs and his ideologies. He's given forty
five million to write to far right campaigns and sixty

(01:08:40):
two million far right think tanks in the last few years.
Cambridge Analytica was used semi legally in the USA after
consulting with Rudy Giuliani's law firm, and had a campaign
that flooded Swing States and Middle America with soft puppet
accounts viewing vile fake stories designed to outrage, and video
showing France and Germany under Shrier law. This is where

(01:09:02):
it does get interesting. Many of these videos were produced
or shared by Gatestone Media, which also provides content for
Rebel Media. John Bolton sits on the board of Gatestone Media.
He was the architect of the War on Error and
he's now the National Security Oh wow. Yeah. The main

(01:09:23):
owner of Gatestone Media is Nina Rosenwald, who's the heiress
two Seers Now. Nina Rosenwold was in two thousand and
three a recipient of the Lewis Brandiers Award given by
the Zionist Organization of America for her pro Israel advocacy.
Rebecca Mercer also helps fund the Gatestone Media that's Robert
Mercer's daughter via her family foundation and the final sort

(01:09:47):
of or another line of funding for Gatestone Media comes
from the MAF or the East Forum, which is a
hardline conservative pro Israel think tank. Robert Mercer also finances
Rebel Media. Rebel Media employees Tommy Robinson, Laurence Southern, and
Laura Loomer, all the fumer right wing antagonists that are very,

(01:10:09):
very scant with the facts. Most of these people at
some point have been promoted by Bright Barr or been
on infos. Tommy Robinson, Stephen Yaxley, Lennon, Ian McMaster or
Paul Harris, whichever name happens to be using on this
particular day, and James O'Keefe also received funding via the
David Horowitz Film Center, which is financed by Robert Shilman,

(01:10:33):
who is a board member for the Friends of Israel's
Defense Forces. Robert Shilman also provides funding for Rebel Media.
Nina Rosenwold. The Heirest Sears also provides funding for James
O'Keeffe and Project Veritas Wielders. The Dutch far right antagonist
is also financed by the David Horowitz Freedom Center, theF

(01:10:56):
The Middle East Forum is the is the gorganzation that
is helping fund Tommy Robinson's legal team. He's basically currently
out on bail and awaiting a retrial. What happened was
he breached his bail conditions by jeopardizing a trial by
trying to film the defendant. It has nothing to do
with free species, to do with him selfishly trying to

(01:11:19):
promote himself. He's never ever, ever exposed anything that hasn't
already been in the media, and he's basically financed by,
as I said, the David Horowitz Foundation of Freedom Center,
Robert Schilman, Robert Mercer, and the F. The MAF also
basically financed the recent Free Tommy Robinson marshes. The statement

(01:11:43):
was signed by the MAF director Greg Roman, who has
previously worked in Israel's defense and foreign ministries, and THEMEF
president Daniel Pipes, who has been described by the Southern
Poverty Law Center as an anti Muslim activist. Recently was
revealed that members of Breitbart probably Steve Banner lobbied the
US Congressman and Ambassador for International Religious Freedom Sam Brownback

(01:12:06):
to approach UKA envoys and request an appeal of Robinson's
sentence despite the fact that he pled guilty right so Mercer.
Robert Mercer and the Coke Brothers also financed Now the
Coke Brothers are again far right conservative businessman, very nefarious,
the sort of people that people like info Wars used

(01:12:27):
to point out behind a lot of these sort of
maneuvers and essentially against worker rights and that type of thing.
So Mercer. The Coke Brothers also financed James o'keefro Project Veritas,
and they often interacted with Bright barton info Wars, most
famously on the failed sting on Akorn and Planned Parenthood,
which we previously discussed. The Daily Caller is also financed

(01:12:52):
by the Coke brothers. David Rubin and The Rubin Report
are also financed by the Coke brothers. Washington Free Beacon
is also financed by the Coke Brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
And by the way, Washington Free Beacon they're the ones
who paid for the Cambridge Gentleman, the Steel Day, the
original guys that went out there and started finding their day.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Well, again, this is the strange thing. They were probably
again it was counter intelligence because at the time Ted
Cruz was their candidate or initially. So yeah, it's very
very affairs. There's a lot of dodgy people and they
have a generalized ideaology, but they don't necessarily like each other.
They have a business or want more money, but they'll

(01:13:38):
at each other and there's a lot of egos in
the room, right. So Ben Shapiro used to be financed
by the Coke Brothers before he left bright bart and
now it's not publicly flaunt to do his finance, but
Alex Jones recently, in a hissy fit, threatened to expose
his billionaire backers. So I had a bit of a
look around, and apparently Ben Shapiro's The Daily Wildfire is
actually financed by the Wilks brothers Dan Faris Wilts our

(01:14:02):
right wing fundamentalist Christians who made their money via the
fracking industry. They donated over fifteen million dollars twenty sixteen
to a superPAC supporting Ted Cruz, who was the original
choice of Cambridge Analytica. The wils there's also financed Pragueer You.
Prague You is this appalling crap YouTube channel that purports

(01:14:22):
to be sort of academic. Any Champions causes that yourself
and to fall into this same sort of mindset, and
people like Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin and Candice Owens
have all made videos for Prague and You. The coch Brothers,
also via a series of condidates, also provide financing for
the Heritage Foundation. And the Heritage Foundation is a right

(01:14:44):
wing thing tank that tries to sway public policy. Is
described as one of the most influential conservative research centers
in the world, and Rebecca and Bercer has been on
the board of trustees since twenty fourteen. At least sixty
six Foundation employees and the Moonlight got staffing positions in
the Trumpet administration, and the Heritage Foundation recommended the cabinet
members Scott Pruitt, Betsy DeVos, Mick Malvany, Rick Perry, and

(01:15:07):
Jeff Sessions. Canon Ohens, despite proclaiming to be fiercely independent,
actually works for Turning Point USA, which is a far
right organization funded by the billionaire Betsy DeVos and Ten Points.
If you can guess the Cooke Brothers can this au.
Owens also appeared on Info wars in on the Rubin
Report and various other similar outlets the DeVos family over

(01:15:33):
the years for finance the Republican Party to the tune
of over two hundred million dollars. Betsy DeVos is the
current Secretary of Education at the USA, and she put
several conservative think tanks financed by the Coke Brothers. So,
by remarkable coincidence, the media outlets owned by Robert Mercer
and the Coke Brothers, and there was employed by said
outlets spread anger and discontent in a manner surprisingly similar

(01:15:56):
to that of the company also financed by Robert Mercer,
which were for the British government and intelligence agencies when
they wish to ensure their preferred outcoming elections and induce
behavioral change in populations. Right, Okay, very last bit. I
appreciate this is a long bit, so thank you for
your patience. Richard Spencer of the MPI, who claims to

(01:16:17):
have coined the term alt right, is also financed by
multi millionaires, specifically William Retionary, the second of the elite
Reginary family. Reginary also funds the right wing think tank
the Charles Martell Society, the aide to Donald Trump, Stephen Miller,
who is a longtime friend of Richard Spencer. Miller is

(01:16:37):
the person who proposed from so called Muslim ban and
his politics take children away from the parents at the border,
specifically to act as a deterrent. While they were at
Duke University, Miller basically mentored at Spencer. They spent a
huge amount of time together. They were a really really
close relationship, and Spencer once said in the media that

(01:16:59):
it was kind of glad that nobody talked about this
because he feared that it would harm Donald Trump's reputation. Now,
Richard Spencer organized the Unite the Right march with Jason
Kessler at Trump Tower. The United the Right march was
the one in Charlottesville where that girl got run over,
And so just happened to be organized by Richard Spencer

(01:17:19):
and Jason Kesler at Trump Tower, but by a huge coincidence,
two other people happen to be in the building on
that day. They were Stephen Miller and Nigel Farage. And again,
people give me a lot of crap for that. Look
it up. It's true. There's nothing I could do about it.
Bright So where does that leaders?

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Then?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Read right? Bart is financed by the elites. Rebel Media
is financed by the elites, and therefore their stars Robinson, Southern, Luma, Bannon,
Yanna Populis and all the others are financed by the elites.
Richard Spencer is financed by the elites. The Daily Caller
is financed by the elites. David Rubin is financed by

(01:17:59):
the elites. Ben Shapiro is financed by the elite. James
O'Keefe is financed by the elites, Candice Owens is financed
by the elites, and Cambridge Analytic who is financed by
the elites and is a tool of elements for the
UK government. And that troubles me because I don't trust
the elites and I don't trust the UK of the
US government. Right, So you can go like basically we go, yeah,

(01:18:23):
they still tell the truth. I will still go to
listen to them, find do what you want, Okay. I'm
not here to tell you not to listen to people.
I'm here to tell you that this is here they
work for. I find that really troubling because I don't
think those those people that these people work for are
best interests at right.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
So when someone like Pamela Geller holds these events where
she can rent the whole big giant stadium practically to
do an art exhibit, the painting pictures of Muhammad. She's
able to do this because she's funded ultimately by the mercers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, and the the reason they want to do this
is because, as I say, they want to get the
general publishing angry. They've leveraged a false enemy. You've taken
existing problems that you had, you know, and they've in fact,
let me quote this is from Emma Bryant, who is
who was investigating it, and this came out in the
court case. Using Cambridge Analytic as media strategy, Trump's false

(01:19:20):
racist and islamophobic comments, resentment and fear were deployed where
they would be most effective, mobilizing swing state audience, using
voters personal data to monitor them and using psychological profiling
to manipulate their emotional responses. On mass data, Analytics was
used to target voters who were concerned about this issue
and to frighten them with messaging designed to create an

(01:19:43):
artificial enemy for them to act against. So essentially, what
they've done is they've they've took your data. They've figured
out specifically what might make you angry. They've figured out
specific marketing phrases that will appeal to you, like draining
the swamp and build the Wall and the Deep States,
because they're aware that you have these feelings of paranoia

(01:20:03):
and you want and you're disadfranchised by the elite, so
you want someone to come in there and tear it
all down. So that's what they're going to mold their
candidate to be. And they're also going to get you angry,
and they're going to get you angry by basically again
picking at you and micro targeting you and figuring out
specifically what what grinds your gears. And then they're going
to use suck puppet accounts and fake stories that are

(01:20:25):
spread by the media outlets that they have just so
happened to own in order to make you think that
this is real and to normalize this and present it
as something other than propaganda. And they're doing it for
their own benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
And it goes even further than that, because we have
people like Laura Lure and it's Jack entirely because everybody
reads his name, but no one has pronounce it. But
you have these characters. When we had the last Vegas
shooting here and over first showing up here as quote

(01:21:03):
unquote citizen journalists and running around causing up bizarre conspiracy
theories and stuff like that. Edited YouTube tapes and videos
and stuff like that were being circulated all over the place,
and you gotta wonder, like, what is the motivation behind
something like that? Obviously there was a.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Well, I mean, the thing is that what people don't
realize is that all of this sort of simplification is
this hatred, this divide and conco technique, this is lamophobia,
this simplifying of complicated issues, and this promotion of xenophobia.
What does it do ultimately, Well, by strange coincidence, it

(01:21:42):
just so happens to fall directly in line with UK, France,
American and Israeli foreign policy. It's just the sort of
thing that basically would encourage you, well, there is a
terrorist problem, so I'm afraid we have to go over
there so we can justify it this time again, this
is no The thing about what it is it leverages
the false enemy, which is comforting in two ways because

(01:22:04):
what it does is it says see that people that
that group of people they're responsible for what's wrong in
your life. Okay, so It plays on the fact that
people are disenfranchised, people are angry, people are left behind
by the elites and whatnot. And what they said is
it's not always it's because of those other people. And
it's quite clever because what it does is it makes

(01:22:26):
you feel that A, fine, it's not my fault, okay,
And b this is something that I can do about it.
If we get rid of this variable that is causing
the disinfranchisement, causing the disgruntlement, then we can then we
can get back onto prosperity. That's what's being told to
them and told to them and told to them, and
it's on the face of it seems relatively sensible. And

(01:22:49):
do you realize that this is not true. This is
an exaggeration of various different memes and tropes or to again,
you know, just spread stereotypes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Right, and then you have something like this Q and
I and phenomena. You know, it's the same exact thing.
It's a model. It benefits the same people, you know
what I mean. But it's it's.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
The initiative problem. Aside from the fact that basically it's
never actually revealed anything or shown anything to happen, is
that it requires you to believe in the uranium one scandal,
which takes about five seconds to go. You do know
none of that uranium A was weaponized be left Canada.
It's still all there. It was approved by nine different people.
I'm not a fan of the Clintons. Read my books,

(01:23:40):
like I'm not a fan of Obama. Read my books, right, Okay.
I think I was the first person that spoke on
television about Clinton's connection with Jeffrey Epstein. I think I'm
the only person that spoke on English television about Obama
fast and furious. I'm not a fan of any of
these people. I don't like Michael Moore, I don't like
Bill I don't like who are the equipal would be

(01:24:02):
the left wing people. I don't like any of them, right, Okay,
So this is these are facts. This is a fact.
These people there's a manipulation program that's going on. And again,
the thing that concerned me well than anything was that
was the connection to was the similarity to the sort
of already existing programs that we know about that have

(01:24:24):
been leaks and revealed.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
You know, I just had Doug Caddy on the show.
Doug Caddy was the first attorney for the Watergate burglars,
you know, and he's kind of a he's known Roger
Stone and manaforting these guys for years, and he just
after he was on the show, he posted this thing
on his Facebook page. Well, he says that there's a
rumor going around where that the Russians are going to

(01:24:49):
provide Trump with documents both false and accurate, some real
and some fake that will lead to the indictments of
Hillary Clinton and Obama or pretty much the uranium one
type stuff, you know. And it's interesting because if you
look at the original email from that pop star to
Don Junior, he says, We're gonna provide you with documents.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
You know, it's beneficial. He's admitted as much. It's beneficial
for Putine to have Trump in Yeah, because well two things.
A because of the sort of chaos that it would
cause on a social level, and b because essentially he's
less experienced on a political level than Hillary Clinton. And
that is not me advocating Hillary Clinton. Again, as I
said before, it was crap. But you've got a series

(01:25:38):
of wealthy billionaires that wanted Donald trumpet. You've got series
of wealthy billionaires that wanted Hllary Clinton. And you've got
series of wealthy billionaires that wanted to leave THEE and
you've got serious wealthy billionaires that wants us to stay,
and they're sort of fighting, and none of them have
got our interests at heart. And the reason I'm following
this particular one is because this is the faction that
won and in it won by utilizing mind control weaponry

(01:26:01):
as part of a government program. And the effects of
it all evident.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Yeah, and this is mind control on a whole new
level that we've never had. We've never had this kind
of access to people. Yeah, Yeah, this is a and
and like Neil said before, keep in mind, it's like
choosing which boarding school you want to go to and
who's going to screw you? Which which which richer white guy, uh,
elder elder classmen is going to be screwing you. Uh.
We're with let's take a commercial break, We're with Neil Sanders.

(01:26:31):
Excellent reporting here on came it's overall what do you
call it, Cambridge analytical, but it's it's so much deeper
than that. It's the influence of the mercers and purchasing uh,
our our our policy through mind control and manipulation of
the average person. But every time you click, like on
one of those stupid memes, which are ridiculous to begin with,

(01:26:52):
or you take these polls. Before he was calling a
quizz but it's really poles and the manipulation goes so
much deeper. You mentioned the Drudge Report earlier. I'm from
New York, okay, and when the Internet first got started,
back in nineteen ninety seven, I had a lot of
friends on Wall Street, and back then, before Monica Lewinsky,
the Drudge Report was mostly Hollywood gossip. But the word

(01:27:16):
was is that there were guys on Wall Street who
refreshed that page every five minutes to catch a news
story because it would manipulate the stock. If he had
a story about CBS News that you know, Brian Gumbel
was going to leave, it would cause the stock to drop.
And these guys were betting using the drudg Report.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Well, it's interesting you say that because basically, you know
all this fake news, the news is the media is
the enemy of the people. And again, I am no
fan of the media. Please read my books, right, okay,
But if you look in the comment section on info Wars,
I only get my news for info Wars, right, you
get my news from Bright part this is where I

(01:27:55):
get my news. And if these news outlets are owned
by these particular millionaires and they're proven to putting out
these fake stories, it's troubling, is it not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
It's so beyond troubling, you know, it's almost I feel defeated,
you know, I feel defeated because here I am in
the so called ault media, you know, and trying to
chug along here and get my show, get my information
out here, and I got to compete against guys, you know,
who are obviously being funded up the wazoo travel money,
a guy like Veritas, you know, a project Vertests. But

(01:28:29):
even further than that, you see these things, these stories
that pop up, This George Webb character who comes up
out of nowhere and suddenly has all the support. Ben
Shapiro's one, but who aj good, I forget his name,
but but all these characters you know, who are so
obviously being promoted, you know. And it's not just Facebook.

(01:28:53):
This happens on YouTube as well. It's the same thing.
And it doesn't even have to be it doesn't have
to be outright purchasing these guys, and you can just
to purchase the.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Views demographic whereby this becomes the old right, became a thing.
It's promoted on Ford Channon Reddit, which when we come back,
I want to talk about Ford Channon reddit and the
programs that are on Ford Channon Reddit. And the other
thing is I want to talk about recently, basically, if
there's been a sort of counteract to this camraganalytic. Oh,
Camerganalytical was a distraction to distract from the real program,

(01:29:23):
that was media matters trying to alter the social media.
And the one piece of evidence that's floating around for
this is a purported document from a twenty seventeen conference
in which David Brock says we're going to flood the
media with anti Trump stuff and blah blah, blah blah. Now,
this particular document, the veracity of it has never ever

(01:29:46):
been proven. There is a program for that particular conference,
and this particular talk isn't on that conference, and basically
I'm pretty sure in it it talks about getting Hilly reelected,
which is a bit mad because it's supposed to have
been in seventeen. Now, as we've been talking about self
started in twenty fifteen, came Jannita started their program in

(01:30:07):
twenty fourteen and concluded their program in twenty sixteen. The
election was in twenty sixteen. So how this document, which
is talking about a proposal in twenty seventeen, would be
that cambrid Janety is supposed to be a distraction doesn't
make any sense. The other point is that, as I said, this,
absolutely no proof that this document is real. The only

(01:30:28):
you'll never guess which newspaper reporter found it. The Washington
Beacon was exclusively which are owned by the Coe brothers,
and then it was exclusively spread by other outlets owned
by the Coe brothers, and that's the only place I
can find it. So that leads me to believe that's
probably not true.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Well, I got to tell you this. My experience with
Medium Matters and David Brock was he was in support
of Hillary over Bernie like him either. Yeah, no, no,
I know that, but I'm saying to that pretty much.
We had Lily Starling on the phone, who manage a
bunch of these Bernie groups on Facebook, and she's an activist,
and she's pretty convinced that it was David Bronck and

(01:31:08):
Media Matters who flooded, who got all of our pages
shut down right before the primaries and before the caucuses
and the primaries. So and also too, people move on
dot org. I've seen with my own eyes, move on
dot org come here to Vegas and hijack marches and
events and bring people in from California. We have a

(01:31:29):
march going on here where nobody knows these people, and
they've got huge media coverage, and even the cops, the
cops were shutting down traffic for them to allow them
to do a sit in, uh and uh, and they
were being a supplied water in an underground parking.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
The point, this is the point. These are just different
fastest right it is. For example, at Charlottesville, the reason
that that particular fight broke out was because the police
changed the designated areas at the very second, so people
were actually from opposing sides were together. And then then
they also strangely moved all the police back so that

(01:32:07):
there were none there to stop or prevent fights. So again,
do you know, this is the point. It's about creating
tension and creating enemies and creating division as well as
striving striking an agenda, because again, once you create this division,
you can you can promote victimization as well.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
Right, and and creating suspicion in cases like the last
bigger shooting, like you know, create suspicion against your your
you know, government or whatever. Let's skip the commercial. What
were you going to tell us about Reddit in Fortune?

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Well, it's just basically again the reason that I first
got interested in or peing wine interesting in chemish anetic,
it was because prior to that, I've been looking at
things like Jay Trigg and stuff like that. Jetrigg was
exposed by Edward Snowden. What it does is it promotes
false stories and soft up. It counts and promotes false gurus.

(01:33:05):
It promotes false media. It's like a red herring or
a breadcrumb dropping program that will again leverage false false opinion.
It goes pretty much further, but the self core identified
purpose of the gay Trig are two tactics. One to
inject all sorts of false material onto the Internet in

(01:33:26):
order to destroy the reputation of its targets, and to
use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse
and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable, right, Yeah,
exactly so. To the extremist, these programs are just considered
the tactics that they boast of to achieve those ends,
which is false flag operations, which is posting material onto

(01:33:48):
the internet, are falsely attributing it to someone else, fake
victim blog posts pretending to be a victim of an individual,
of a regime or something like that, posting negative information
and creating basically false stories. Yeah yeah, mental, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Yeah? So then what do you make of these because
you see these like Sandy Hook, you know, and it's
kind of operations you know that that are they're presented
to the people or these paranoid types, and then they're
used as a method some people tend to invite gun control.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I used to think that until until I noticed that
every single time that there is a shooting, gun sales
go through the room.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Yeah right, right, right, So that would make sense, right
because if it's these right wing guys who owned the
gun companies, if they're funding these operations, sure, that makes
perfect sense. Okay, But but the spread that this is going.

Speaker 1 (01:34:45):
To be to grab your guns as well, I mean,
you know, actually, to be quite honest, so I'm not
anti gun even like you know, I can understand guns.
I don't necessarily buy the argument that you need them
to fight the government, because I don't think you can
do that because you're fighting against drones and stuff. You know,
I had a load of guns that the Iraqi Army
didn't really do them much good. But I don't you know,

(01:35:07):
you have your rights have guns and go nuts have guns.
I fully agree with your rights opens if you want guns,
but I do also think that at some point you
need to sit down and go why are so many
children being killed? You know, it's a problem. Again. I'm
not saying to take your guns, but you should be
annoyed that children are getting killed because it's basically like

(01:35:28):
joy riders ruining it for the rest of us on
the roads. Like so, I don't understand why people aren't
more sort of this is stupid. I don't want these
idiots to be able to get hold of guns, right.
You know, there's also lies about what gun control is. Basically,
do you think that an insane seventeen year old should
be able to buy an AR fifteen? Because that's essentially

(01:35:50):
the gun control that there's some sort of background.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
But the thing is too even with the whole school
shooting thing, that thing you have US subculture that thinks
that everything's a false playing and everything's vag and crisis act.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
I wouldn't about that as well, because you know, people
solved were very very suspicious of Columbine and Virginia Tech.
And this was just at the advent of like the
Internet really, so basically, you know, people were investigating stuff. Now,
all I'm saying is, if you're a sort of agency
that was that had nearly been caught out doing these

(01:36:24):
things a couple of times, what I would do is
I'd promote a red herring story, and a particular type
of red herring story that had two fundamental outcomes. One
that you'd solved it already, so any counter evidence to
that particular theory you don't take on board. You're just
looking for proofs of your theory. And two that this
theory is generally offensive to the public and can get

(01:36:47):
your show thrown off the air, like with Infra wards.
Very good, very clever counter propaganda technique to get people
chasing their own tails, well meaning people by injecting false
information into the Internet to send people, you know, off
on a witch hunt.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Very good, And you're right, these are well meaning people.
These are well meaning people. They're just being In most
cases lower lumer. I don't think he's a well meaning person,
but you know, in most cases, I think there's a
well George Webb, I don't think he's a well meaning person.
I think he knows what's going on. But I'll tell
you some about Columbine because I always had my suspicions
about Columbine because I was at a PI conference once
and I met an investigative was involved in the Columbine lawsuits,

(01:37:25):
and he told me all kinds of stuff about how
one of the FBI agent, these are all guys were
sons of an FBI agent. Stuff, right, And but then
when I started doing shows about Columbine, when I first
got the show here, I found out, just by coincidence
that one of the guys who ran this Columbine dot
com website is a notorious hoaxer who does hoaxes for

(01:37:48):
fun and profit whatever. And it turns out what happens
he was running the Columbine website, he got busted by
the cops, and then suddenly everything went haywire and I
caught him doing a hoax. This guy's doing on hawks
as soon as I confronted him, and I said, hey, man,
I buttered you're doing his hawks. The first thing you
said to me is okay, what do you want me
to do? Okay, so you know, yeah, the guy was

(01:38:11):
a tool of the cops because they got Passoni. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
Just the point, isn't it that this is exactly what
we're talking about, that you've got to really really be
careful about what information is real and what information has
been seeded in order to manipulate you. Essentially, like, for example,
Jay Trig was used in Argentina because the Falcon Islands
is a disputed region that that there's some British expats

(01:38:37):
there and basically it's still owned by England but there's
really no reason why we should have it. But when
the vote was coming up, Jack employed to basically promote
self nation for the Falcon Islands and to promote a
sense of nationalization and a pride of being part of
the British Empire, which is curious because you know, promotion

(01:39:00):
of nationalization is very very popular at the minute. Like
JHI programs basically do things like change the outcome of
online polls. You can mass swamp servers, you can mass
livery of text messages, you can distruct videos, you can
disrupt skype calls, you can datamine private photographs on social media,

(01:39:21):
you can disable online media, you can increase traffic to
a specific website, you can promote a specific story theme trope,
you can send emails from your account that you can
plant documents on your hard drive, and this can be
used to frame people basically. So yeah, it's very very dodgy.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
You know, that's very interesting. That's very interesting because if
you follow the case of Jeffrey Epstein, a Katie Doe
who filed a lawsuit in the July of twenty sixteen
against Donald Tramp and Jeffrey Epstein. Katie Dell essential was
rape and she was thirteen years old when a week before,
the week before November, when she went to do a

(01:40:02):
press conference with Lisa Bloom, there was a d doos
attack on Lisa Bloom's website and also on live stream.
Live stream website was shut down a week before the election.
And that's what terrified this kid, and that's why she
dropped because this was a state sponsored type of shutdown
and that's what motivated her to drop her lawsuit. And

(01:40:24):
even Sean Hannity said on his radio show, I heard
it with my own ears. We dodged a bullet this
week and it says, what are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:40:32):
He said Epstein so right, and it's a connection to
Donald Trump, and it was it was a Laura Largo,
but Giselain Maxwell introduced for Junior Roberts to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
And Jeffrey Epstein has been Donald Trump's friend for years?
Is that famous quote? I know. I've known jeff for
fifteen years, right, terrific guy. It's a lot of fun
to be with. It said that he likes beautiful women
as much as I do. Many of them are on
the younger side, no doubt about it. Jeffrey enjoys the
social life.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
Exactly, got the Rember rights perfectly. Yeah, and Virginia Roberts
has been down next to me. Okay, Virginia Roberts worked
for for mar Lago. She worked at mar Lago folding
towels over there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
She was in she was in the cloak room.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
Yeah, the lady, the lady locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Trump on that on various cases for Jeffy Epstein. He
was in that case where we discovered that Derschwitz and
claimed various people have been on the what's it called
Lita Express and also call Mark Epstein, who's Jeffrey Epstein's brother,
said that Donald Trump had been on that plane at.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Least twice exactly in a deposition, right, so that as well,
And here we have Dershwitz running around now defending Trump.
I'm doing backflips, trying to come up with some constitutionally yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:41:45):
Do you know, I'll come back to this J Trix
stuff in a mimber, just to show you, like man
of the people Donald Trump, thus far, aside from all
the sort of beneficial things that he's done with the
Coke brothers, et cetera, et cetera, I did notice they
they came on the news today and said, we're very
pleased with everything that's happened so far, but we don't
like these tariffs. And they get into a bit of

(01:42:06):
an ego sort of back and forth. Because if I'm honest,
Trump was put in by Epstein, sorry Epstein, by Mercer
and Bannon. Trump did not want to win. I do
not think Trump expected to be the president. I think
he expected to lose so that he could rally against
how unfair the system is. On his new TV show,

(01:42:26):
which he was going to his new TV channel that
he was going to set up. And I think that's
why Info War was so strongly aligned themselves with Trump,
because again they expected him to lose so they could
rally against the fixed electoral system and the corrupt system
that put Hillary in power. And now they're right knackered.
They've basically got to chase their own tail trying to

(01:42:48):
explain this deep state theory when basically Trump is the president.
And this is where you get all these constors again
about our communists CIA. There's sorry, what the communist globalists
globalizedation is a is a capitalist venture. It's about hegemonicis
taking over, so homogenizing culture, basically putting the McDonald's all

(01:43:11):
over the place. That's what globalization is. Putting Trump towers
all over the country, having your Maga hats made in
China because it's the cheapest. That's globalization. So this is
just very, very sort of nonsensical. A lot of the
arguments that are out there. But Donald Trump has appointed
your own power of Banker's Trust and Parlile Group to

(01:43:32):
be the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. He pointed. Steve Manuchin,
formerly of Goldwin sax to the Secretary of Treasury. You
point Jim Donovan of Goldman Sachs at number two of
the Treasury. You point a Dina Powell of Goldman Sachs
as a national security advisor, and Gary Coleman, president of
Goldman Sachs, is his chief economic advisor. What did he
do as well? That's it?

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
What about What about Wilbur Roth from Rothschild Inc.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
You know of Juliani, but he made all these overtures
about nine to eleven truth and they're rudy of Juliani
is his personal attorney. He's the person that covered it all.
He was the person Richard hole Basically, Richard Holt was
a lobbyist for the Saudi government and he put him
in a position of power as the commissionary of White
House Fellows while he was on the campaign. He's not illegal,

(01:44:23):
but it looks that optics are bad. He allowed a
one hundred million donations to a foundation run by his
daughter and now she can't personally profit from this, but
he looks terribly, terribly bad. It also accepted three hundred
thousand as a donation from the House of Stout to
renovate one of his hotels, and as we said earlier,
he opened eight new businesses in Saudi Arabia joint actual campaign.

(01:44:47):
But this is not a man of the people, it's advertisment. No.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
But the thing is you'll never get that. They'll never
they'll never accept that they're convened. Yeah, they're convinced.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
Is a testament strength of this program that basically, you know,
it is actually convinced people that up is down and
left his right and not trust anything that I said
this month. This were two years ago. The fake news
was very clever because initially fake news was the phrase
was brought up by the media to refer to the
stories by the stories that we.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Told you about, like Pizzagate.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
There pushing no no, no, wait.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
Wait, a big news came out to this credit Pizzagate.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Yeah yeah, but it was also also tied into a
lot of the other stories as well, also promoted by
those networks. We can we can, we can touch on
pizza Gate. I can go point by point in debunk
it if you like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Well, you know what I'd like to talk to you
about one day, because I've actually interviewed off the air
people that worked over there. You know, yeah, I got
some information on that. I've heard you say that Hey,
you don't believe in pizzagate, but if you just we
can get into that one day. But the thing is just.

Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
Looking thing is that the code doesn't work, which is
the main evidence pizzagate. I'd say, okay, fine, tell me
what was the crime that has committed, Who committed that crime,
who was the victim? When did that crime take place?
Because we haven't got a crime, You've got a suspicion
of a crime based on the assumption that crime happened,

(01:46:12):
and they're looking for clues that it did happen, which
is circular reasoning. Yeah, I mean, I said, we can
go point by point, but I say, the main thing
is that the code doesn't actually work. If you if
you apply the code to the thing, doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Mean about the hot dogs and that kind of stuff, Yeah, it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
Doesn't make any sense. Well, the most famous one, we've
left a handkerchief here. It appears to be pizza related,
which is you've left a se you've left a semen here,
it appears to be go related. What does that mean?
It's not coherent sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Okay, but what about the stuff about talking about Obama
was ordering the hot dogs from Chicago?

Speaker 8 (01:46:45):
And I looked into this again, Johnny, just go through
a point because especially in order right, fine, in order
to make let me find the actual number, because it's important,
but basically in order to make like a two dollars
at a at a, here we go, here we go
by the huge cost of the hot dog parties is

(01:47:06):
because it's a political fundraiser. Conservative estimates need to say
that you need to spend twenty five cents to make
a single dollar. Bearing in mind that the Trunk campaign
hoped to make one million dollars per event. Sixty five
thousand dollars for catering isn't that much. It's not It
really isn't that much. There you could find similar.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Bills for similar products in different political fundraisers.

Speaker 3 (01:47:34):
Okay, but I don't believe that was a political friend raise.
I believe that was hot dogs being delivered at a
White House.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
No, it's for a political fundraiser. Again, that's that's the
manipulation of the facts.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
Okay, I have to take a look at that. But
the thing is, listen, if you look at our father's
an Instagram page and he's talking about chicken lover, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
That's a picture of a girl. Chicken lover refers to
young boys.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
I don't think so. No, it refers to young girls
as well. No, it refers to young girls as well.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
No, he doesn't. Sure Hawk specifically refers to young boys.
That's his niece, by the way, who was taped to
the table, his older niece.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
But wait, we're not talking about the girl taped to
the He's the same girl in the photo where basically
she's wearing beads.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
It's the same girl.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
Okay, but still, but then, what do you think he's
saying chicken lover? Then what do you think he's saying? Well,
I can tell you this, okay, that if if I
was hired to investigate, let's say, for a child custody case, is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
That sufficient evidence to take someone and have them chemif
be castrated?

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
No, not to be castrated, No, but he would lose.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
So what has been committed?

Speaker 3 (01:48:38):
I could tell you this, okay that if I if
I was doing a custody evaluation, okay, and I was
hired to locate evidence to present in a child custody case,
if I were to present that stuff about a murdered
kill room and chicken lover and all that stuff, he
would not just lose custody of his kids, he would
have supervised visitors of his own kids.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
I don't think that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:49:01):
I know it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
I think that's true. Unless you have the idea that
it's a story. He just happens to look like the
room from a hostel. It would really be better. Obviously,
every single point I've been through in checks it's garb.

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
Well, then how come when when Ryan Alexander or Ryan
O'Neal I think it was when he located that room,
Oliphant has called him up and threatened him because he's
in his property. No, he wasn't in the property. He
just looked it up online, did a video.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Because he's promoting the idea that James Alaphantasy is a
murdering pedophile, I'll be pissed off as well.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
And Aliphant has threatened his girlfriend and his mother. Okay,
so he was a murdering pedophile in some ways, he
didn't he made the threats.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
Look, you show me evidence of what kind has been committed,
and I'll jump on pizza Pizza Gate like a trampond.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Okay, somebody else we'd have to talk off the air,
because I do have witnesses who work there. I have,
I've spoken to people off the air, not that YouTube,
Yeah that have worked there. Yeah, we would have to do,
you know it was.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
I mean again, I've got a point by point for
all of it. We can go through it if you like.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Well, I don't have a point per point rebel in
front of me, but I'll tell you this, Like I said,
if I was hired, and if I was hired in
a custody case and I stumbled on that Instagram page,
that's like a gold mine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
You know, most of those Instagram pictures weren't actually of him,
like the one covered in blood was his employee.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Okay, but still it's it's their circle of friends.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Which specific one is the murder room and the picture
of him holding his knees.

Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Yeah, kill kill room is a serious one. Yeah, kill
room is a serious one. And also to the picture
of him holding a baby, saying, chicken lover. But what's
the what people don't molest their nieces. What's your innocent
explanation for for for the phrase chicken lover appearing on
that page?

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
I don't know. I've got no idea. Well, there you
go again, lover In reference to Peter Fillers for young boys. No,
that's not that's all stretched just just that evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
Look, I could honestly let me just go through the thing, right,
but we've only got a few minutes. But the thing is,
you know, I'm from New York where the phrase came
from the Chicken Lover and Chicken Hawk. It came from
Alan Ginsburg who hung.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Out of my my life as a as a real
boy or whatever. Chicken Hawk's a famous film about Nambler, right,
which about boys, but not entirely.

Speaker 3 (01:51:28):
No, it's not entirely, but I can tell you in
New York City Channel prostitution, Chicken Lover, Chicken even in
the film. It's in the film what do you call
the turnsy Driver? Right, yeah, this is it's for girls too.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
But that's a if that's the strongest evidence, that's that's
weak SEUs Man.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
It's not my strongest evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
Like I said, again, all all of the the the
available evidence, I even need to go to it, point
by point. Because I said I don't buy it. I'm not.
I'm open to the idea, As I said. I've talked
about Crew Alexander, I've talked about Jimmy Saville and talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
No, I know I've heard I've heard you say all that. Yeah,
I've heard that people have sent me your your stuff,
you know. But like I said, yeah, I've I've talked
to people that work there, you know, off the air.
You know, I'm not just talking about stuff that YouTube
and stuff that they are. I've talked about on the air.
I've interviewed people and put them in touch with the police.
I've worked on this. Well. Most people think now that

(01:52:28):
it's a CIA operation. And that's why all font this
can't be touched versed on war based on the fact
that he can't be touched.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
You can't be touched. Again, that's assuming that the crimes
actually happened. Could it be that he can't be touched
because they've investigated and discovered that it was.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
A that was no, No, you can't curse. You can't curse.
You can't curse.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
The week before the election, it just so happened to
demonize Hillary Clinton, Right, well.

Speaker 3 (01:52:58):
You can't curse, okay, because it is a player as
an am. But the thing is, I forgot what I
was going to say. But what were we talking about
before it?

Speaker 1 (01:53:07):
We we're talking about it Reddit. So let me come
back on another show and we'll talk about Pizzagate, because,
as I say, I strongly believe that it was actually
in the element of this fake news to demonize Billary Clinton,
and I think he was promoted by Jared Why and
who made the code. I don't think the code works,
and I don't think that any of the so called
evidence is evidence of a crime. And again, if anyone

(01:53:30):
could show me what crime has been committed, who was
the victim, who was the perpetrator, when it happened, where
it happened, and showed me some evidence, I'll happily promote it.
But I can't because I'm not convinced by any of it.
I think that it was actually just again, just nonsense
that was designed to do two things, one to demonize
the alternative media and two as an act of stochastic

(01:53:53):
terrorism to get somebody to react to it, which actually happened.
Someone went in there and shot into the ceiling. But anyway,
to carry on back talking about the Reddit stuff and
stuff like that, similar programs exist in US intelligence. For example,
we were talking about j Trick, how it basically promotes
false information into the media and promotes false stories and

(01:54:16):
promotes false narratives that people can chase their tale running after,
but similar programs actually were operating in the US at
same time. It was one called Sentient World Simulation, which
basically ran different programs to see how people would react
to propaganda and the medium of social media. Studies that

(01:54:37):
were done in twenty eleven on found numerous examples across
the social social media where SOB puppet accounts were promoting
pro US. Pagander and former Director of the CIA, David
Petrius admitted to this, and he also admitted that Operation
Earnest Voice created grassroots groups in an effort to AstroTurf
the Internet with pro us interest groups. In twenty twelve,

(01:55:00):
Department of Healing Now Security pay the general contract to
General Dynamics to monitor anti government centerment on social media
excuse me. In twenty fourteen, studies by data analysis groups
showed that the most common post its on Reddit also
happened to originate from a place called Eglin Air Force Base.

(01:55:20):
Egglin is a major hub for the Pentagon domestic manipulation programs.
Eglin Air Force Base funded a series of research papers
examining how to establish the majority of views on social
media platforms, how to manipulate and influence conversation and opinion,
and how to manipulate information. And it was shown that
in certain times, the majority of posters or posts originated

(01:55:42):
from this military establishment, despite outward appearances. And in twenty fourteen,
it was shown that Twitter feeds and social media posts
were analyzed as part of the Department of Defense funded
project designed to manipulate the emotions of the social media users.
A similar program called sth MISS Social Media and Strategic
Communications look specifically at how to influence the behavior of

(01:56:04):
social media users. And basically this is called stochastic terrorism. Okay,
so this is influencing another person to act in a
way that ultimately benefits you, like for example, riling someone
up that fake subject until they boil over and react.
I go into a pizza shop and shoot the ceiling.
And this could be used to from a real situation

(01:56:25):
or merely to create a fantasy for people to chase
their own cell with forever. And it also could be
to promote stories that certain elements of the government felt
would be helpful to their causes at that specific time.
Also twenty fourteen, the Pentagon and the CIA have a
counter reset button. They have a program that can kill
any viral story and counter programs that they don't want

(01:56:49):
to see.

Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
Project Minaret is oh wait a second, wait a second,
that's fascinating. How do they do that? Well, how do
they do that? If something's going viral? How do they
start it?

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
It's destroyss like disrupted using J two cell programs, exactly
as you said before. They can disrupt the host, they
can disrupt the server that can actually get the data itself.
They can do anything. So this is another point when
stories are heavily, heavily, heavily promoted, heavily promoted, just like
we've been talking about throughout the entire program, there are

(01:57:21):
selements of the gloment that could make that guy away
if they wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
You know what, We're totally out of time, But I
got to tell you something that's I know, but that's
happened to me. Man, that's happened to me. Where shows
I've done, you know, because I in to be people
no one's ever heard of it, and no one's ever
interviewed before, you know, And and they just disappear off YouTube,
you know, disappear off office break And how could they
disappear off of two separate platforms at once. You know
what I mean, It's just impossible.

Speaker 1 (01:57:44):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
And that's you know, there's so much what you're saying
I've experienced personally. It's really disturbing. But anyway we listen,
we're out of time. Neil Sanders. I know, man, have
you come back? It's excellent, excellent reporting, Neil Sanders, I
controlled back camp. Neil, How can people get to hold you?
And what do you want to leave us with?

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Just be very aware of the information that you get. Basically,
that's what you need to do, is to say, like,
I'm not telling you who to listen to, and you're
not to listen to. I'm saying that basically, if it's
got the fingerprints of the elites on it, if it's
got the fingerprints of the government on it, if it's
connected to already created and has similarities in the way

(01:58:26):
that it's rolled out into the public eye in similar
ways to established disruption and manipulation programs, be really really
sketchy of it because I don't trust those people. Don't
trust the left wing and trust the right wing, and
don't trust the government. The argument against this chemisganetic of
stuff is you're left e It's like well, hey, that's

(01:58:46):
not true, and b that really doesn't sort of refute
any of the information that's in there. And as I
said before, it doesn't mean that you have to stop
listening to these people, but be aware that it's connected
to the broader program.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
News, terrifying topic. Man, Thank you so much, Neil Sanders,
Neil sandersmindcontrol dot com. Thank you, brother, pleasure it. Okay,
there we had Neil Sanders. Check out Neil sandersmindcontrol dot
com and also to check out his previous books to
you did a book on Manson and books on mind
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