Dr Judith Reisman: ElsaGate/ Youtube & Barbara Amaya : Nobody's Girl

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came on the show but four years ago and one
of my favorite shows. Go back and check out the

(01:15):
archives because we really get into the whole history of
Judith Reesman. This woman is a a legend. I don't
even I don't know what the word I'm trying to
use it, but this this is a real true fighter
h for a very long time, a true American hero
jet doctor. You know I'm serious, Doctord. You you gotta

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you gotta go back and watch listen to the old show.
But go back and watch the old episodes with Phil Donahue.
Judith Riisman as a young woman is taking on Phil
Donnie and stuff like that. It's just so, it's very inspiring,
Doctor Judith Reisman. Tell us about youself, Doctor Judith Rice,
and we walking to the show.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well, thank you so much. I'm delighted to be back
with you. Yeah. Well let's see. Well, the most important thing,
you know, I'm a mother or grandmother and a great grandmother.
And I worked for Captain Kangaroo Television and CBS, NBC, ABC,

(02:22):
did a lot of TV before I got into the
nasty business back in nineteen sixties, and it started to
uncover why our kids were being sexually molested abused because
they were back in the sixties, nothing like today, of course,

(02:44):
nothing like today. But I saw the massive change that
was taking place the problems in particular, you know, about
kids being kidnapped and whatnot. And so I started to
try to figure out what I So I ended up
going back to school, did a PhD at Case Western

(03:06):
Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio, a very respectable, you know university.
We won't go into that. We can do that some
other times. And then went to Wales to deliver a
paper on what we what I was finding in Playboy,
which was child pornography. And while I was at the university, Uh,

(03:32):
and met a man in Wales who had been a
psych who was a psychologist, and he said, you know,
he said, if you're really if you're worried about Judith Reisman,
he said, no, if you're worried about child sexual abuse.
He said, you you know, ought to look at the
Kinsey reports. And I said why and so he said,

(03:56):
because I worked with Kinsey and Palmer. One is pedophile,
the other one is a is a homosexual. I said,
which is which he said, read and discover and then
he ran off where he left and uh, you know,
the guy changed my life. If he hears I keep thinking,
if he hears one of these broadcasts and I'm talking

(04:17):
about that event. I want to I want to know
who he is.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
You know, well, doctor Weisman, let me let me ask
you a question, because, uh, you mean you say that
there was child pornography and Playboy. Most of the people
listening to this would say, what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
You?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Heffen as a hero. You have to started this whole
liberation movement. He was a great Uh. We just eulogized him.
Wonderful man. Do you have to tell us.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well he started the legalisation or not. Kinsey started the
legalization of children as as well, lowering the age of
consent so forth. But Hefner he was Kinsey's pamphleteer. He said, Kinsey,

(05:01):
you know, is the researcher. He said, he's a scientist.
And this was when he was a virgin, still in college.
Hugh Hefner, and he said, I will be Kinsey's pamphleteer.
I will, And he was, I mean play for my magazine.
So obviously, if Kinsey was defending was conducting research, quote research,

(05:28):
was using children for orgasm research, you know, timing it,
clocking the you know their responses when they saint didn't
had convulsions, I mean horrible things. Well, if he was
doing all that Kinsey. Well, then if Hefner was his pamphleteer,

(05:48):
you could start to look in there and see child
children being used in sex sex situations. And they certainly were. Yeah,
they certainly were. And I won. I won against Playboy
in the Netherlands in nineteen ninety four. Playboy sued for

(06:09):
libel and slander when I said that they were producing
child pornography systemically, not one off, you know, not not accidentally. Right,
So they sued, and you'll never read about it in Playboy, right,
or in any newspaper. But they lost because the judge said, no,

(06:33):
I sent them all the I sent the judge the
pictures with the dates and the and the pages, and
he said, these are kids, and these are kids in
a bed with you know, with old men talking about
their sex activity with the old manners. You know, he's
no argument. She's right. So we won. And that's you know,

(06:58):
the American public has just been brought into the addiction
to child pronography, the addiction to seeing children as sexual
and acting out on children most violently that you know,
I know you had your guests was Lori Handrahan. She's
done a lot of really important work in that regard

(07:21):
and my research for the Department of Justice, which was children,
crime and violence in Playboy, Pennhouse and Hustle, which you
can get on my website, doctor Judith Riesman dot org
or calm you know you can you can download that research.
But it was kept from the public, just like Kinsey's

(07:44):
laws and fraud in crimes.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It gives us some ideas because again people will think, well, Kensey,
what the Kenzy inswers too? At the Kensey Report. Kensey
was a scientist, he was a doctor. He was a
legitimate guy. So give us an idea of the real
Kinsey and what he was doing little four year old
kids and what he was doing in his bathtub to
himself and was bizarre, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Yeah, yeah, no, not four four year olds, yes, but
also two months old, two months old. There are five
tables in his own book. I was condemned by some
He said, she doesn't say anything that's not in his
own book. I well, yes, you know, yeah, you know,

(08:26):
I don't say anything that's not in his own books. Yeah,
he had four five tables with orgasm records. He said orgasm.
But you see, Kensey himself, of course, was a sado
masochist and a pedophile obviously, or a vetterist. Really he
focused on little boys. You know, they were timed around

(08:49):
the clock, twenty four hours around the clock. Some of
these little kids. We don't know if who died, because
you know, he only gave me records on the people,
on the children that he would give you records on.
But I mean, you don't. You don't torture little children,
little babies like that and not have traumatic, really traumatics,

(09:14):
you know, little little two months old. Come on, you know,
So how many of those little babies died? Who post?
And where he got them from? When I wrote to
the Kinsey Institute, they said that that he got the
children from homosexuals who had relationships with the children, and

(09:38):
from parents, and so well, you know, yeah, there are
there were parents who would sell their children, yes there were,
as there are today, and their nursery, school teachers and
so forth. But but he described the children's reactions and
he called them he called these orgasms. When they screamed,

(10:00):
and they cried, when they had convulsions, amusing his own words,
when they were hysterical, they fainted, and they struck what
he called the partner, that was the child's partner. Well,
excuse me, but that's a ripist, a rapist, you know.
You know, a man comes and rapes a child and
he calls him, he says, the baby is my partner,

(10:23):
you know. Yeah, So those were the ways that he
managed to get this through without the public kind of
recognized what he what he was saying. I interviewed doctor
Bob who who had protested about Kinsey's research back in

(10:46):
fifty four at a congressional hearing, and he said, he
said to me, he said, he said, I can't believe
that I didn't see what he did to the children.
I can't believe it because when you go back and
you look, it's right staring you in the face. But

(11:07):
you know, we were really a very innocent, believing, naive. Uh,
you know people back in the fifties, doctors.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
What about today, though, isn't Kinzie's work and his studies
still used in college today?

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Oh? Certainly, yes, of course. Yeah. He's still credited. He's
still credited with being the great scientist, you know, sex scientist.
He Uh, he's quoted all the time. I just saw
an article just now about what's going on in in

(11:45):
in uh the Silicon Valley. You know, they're having all
these swathings of the swat you know, wife swat things
and what and they're credit crediting themselves with with something
that the Kinzie and Institute has been pushing for you know,
sixty years, you know. And yeah, and not only here

(12:07):
in the United States, of course, but globally they have
the Kinsey Institute has Special Echo sac whatever that is.
It's you know, where they can go worldwide through the
and educate these uneducated you know, other small countries who

(12:30):
need money about sexuality so they can train them and
groom to groom their children for sexual abuse the way
we're grooming our children in our schools daily daily. You know.
It depends on the school, of course, but pretty much

(12:52):
across the board, our schools are promoting sex. So if
they're promoting sex, they have what's called the obscenity exemption.
Schools are are exempted from from the laws that are
protection of miners. They are exempt from those laws so

(13:18):
that they can teach. Because we absolutely know all our
teachers are you know, very puritimistic. Yeah, no, no, they're.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Not, you know, doctor Richmond, that's right. That's fascinating because
you're right. You wouldn't be able to take a seven
or eight year old child into a movie theater and
show them an R rated movie. They wouldn't let you do.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
It, but they can and a fifteen year old right movie. Yeah,
but they have obscenity exemptions for schools, for schools and libraries, libraries,
schools and libraries, and of course medical people obviously you
know that's that's a whole different ballot fall of wax here.

(14:01):
But so any pedophile teacher or a petroist teacher or administrator,
and there are many, because there are highest offenders. We
have research to establish that through SESAME. There's a special
organization about, you know, the sex offenders in education, and

(14:24):
they're they're much worse. They're much much more offenses taking
place than we're taking place per capitave amongst the clergy.
So yeah, they get to show kids anything they want.
They are showing in pornography direct they are engaged in

(14:44):
as we know, why scale sexual offenses with the children
and why you know, So, yeah, they have an obscenity exemption, which,
by the way, we're trying to fight right now. We're
trying to get that initiated in all of our legislatures

(15:04):
to turn to undo that law as it exists in
most just about every state. You don't have obscenity exemptions
for teachers in schools to teach children how to engage
in various kinds of sex, which they do under the
umbrella of protecting children from STDs and making children who

(15:32):
think that they are homosexual. By the way, Kinsey was
the first guy, you know, he was the guy who
said ten to thirty seven percent of the population is
homosexual meals you know. So yeah, I'm just rattling us,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
But one thing though, before we get too far off,
because we can thank Kinsey for Hafner. Yeah, but Mackenzie
had a relationship with Alistair Crowley, the Beast.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yes, yes, yeah, we just put it background that.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Well, he had a relationship we know with Renee Gaillon
who wrote sexual let's see, well who created the concept
sex before eight or it's too late, you know, that
kind of thing, And he was a French jurist, and
we know that we have exchanges between them. But we

(16:26):
also know that he was very involved with Aleister Crowley,
who was the beast what they called him, what the
what kind of beast? I've forgotten what beast he was called.
But anyway, Crowley, who was a Satanist, we know that
because he traveled to abbey. The abbey Seema his you know,

(16:50):
special place. Yeah yeah, but Crowley was dead when he
went there. But I have argued that he went there
to try and get any possible letters between himself and Crowley.
There was there was absolutely no question that he uh
that he had tremendous effect on Crowley, and that Crowley's

(17:13):
you know, appears to have been having some kind of
relationship with Kinsey too, who goes all the way. He
never traveled from this country, never except to go to
Mexico for once or twice. He never traveled. Why would
he go, especially to Italy to the layer, to Crowley's

(17:34):
layer to come on. So he was he was after
what I believe were his letters to Crowley. He had
done that before with the guy he was, I think
having sexual relationships with he had He went to his
his university as soon as the guy died Tony and

(17:56):
he he went into his illegally entered his offices to
try to get records. You know that he would would
you know, involve him in something sorted anyway, the guy
was uh, because he was absolutely a perverted, a perverted

(18:18):
pedophile pederists, There's no question about that, and built his
entire scientific arguments to justify his own activity, which were
tortuous and which did involve i you know, which did
involve children as young as two months of.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Age, but also self mutilation too.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Oh yes, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, Like you know, you would think you run into
a guy like this on the subway, you call a cop,
but they bring him into a college and teach a
course on him, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, that's exactly what's going on.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Amazing, Yeah, that and.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
The majority of our quote sex educators right have been,
of course educated in the Kinsey model. The Kinsey belief
system thematically seek us the Sex Information Education Council the
United States, which goes all over the world, educating the world,

(19:18):
but educating our children. Of course, all that was created
at the Kinsey Institute. There was a special a special
agreement between Kinsey and the director of SEKIS, which had
been the director which had been the medical director of
planned parent of Mary Caldron. There was a special arrangement,

(19:41):
she says, where they would be teaching sex education and
the Kinsey Institute would quote do the research. Remember, these
are the guys that are the Pornography Commission back in
the seventies went to the to Indiana, you know, to
the university, to their to the Kinsey Institute to learn

(20:06):
everything about human sexuality. Well, look at us, I mean,
we're having little babies, infants raped, you know, for fun
and frolic. We have guys being arrested who spent a
lifetime getting their careers, you know, earning their doctorates, getting

(20:26):
a medical degrees, getting to the tops of their professions,
that are being arrested for child pornography, which is child
rape and torture of infants and children. Who you know,
who would imagine I did imagine? Now, I don't think
I imagined that bad. I don't know. I have to

(20:46):
think about it back in the fifties and sixties and
when I did my research in the seventies. Who would
imagine people would risk everything, not just their families, the
entire careers. They're they're humiliating, yeah, but they're being arrested
with these horrible, horrible pornographic activities. We don't we don't

(21:12):
even look at pornography anymore. I mean, what these sexy
girls come on. You know, if you're not torturing them,
now four or five guys, you know, if you're not
doing horrible things, who pays attention? And uh, people want
your your need mentally, your brains have been changed to

(21:36):
such an extent the human brain requires these horrible things,
you know, or it can't. It simply cannot function anymore.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
You know, the audience, a lot of the audience is young,
you know, and they they're good hearted people, they're they're
on you know, but a lot of the audience is young.
But like back in the seventies, like a TV show
like Three's Company was considered so edgy and risky, and
there was nothing. There was no nudity, there was no no,
no frank language, there was.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Nothing, no just two girls and a guide roommate said,
you know, let's be roommates because it's going to be good,
you know, financially, and you know, and they were friends. Y. Yeah,
that was We have to understand those boundaries that we
had established under our Judeo Christian uptight laws, which, by

(22:32):
the way, that we not forget to mention that in
nineteen fifty rape was punishable by death in half the
states and by life in just about all the other ones. Right, Yeah,
that was the reality of how we treated death and seduction, telling,

(22:53):
you know, telling a girl that she just loved her,
you know, I just really love you, you know, I want
you to bear my children one day. Seduction was punishable.
It was a felony, even in California. Yeah, so the
breakdown in our laws argid Christian laws, which really under

(23:14):
the patarchy really had come to favor women and children.
It did. There was no before no fault divorce, Thank
you Ronald Reagan in nineteen sixty nine. Remember he was
a divorcee, I mean a divorce guy himself, and he
favored no fault divorce, as did Playboy. Playboys started pushing
no fault divorce in its first, very first issue called

(23:39):
Let's See called Miss gold Digger. Yeah right, you only
women only want you for your money. And in those years,
women used to have get child custody, alimony, the car,
the house, you know, and yeah it was sometimes it
wasn't really fair, but mostly it was the guy who

(24:01):
committing adultery. Adultery was absolutely punishable. Yeah, you'd lose everything, I.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Say, in those days, you'd lose everything. But at least
it would go to your wife and kids. Now it
goes to the lawyers and the courts and the experts
and all the industry. The industry that.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It's become a major industry. But it was in those
days it was quite simple. Did he commit adultery? Now
sometimes she committed adultry, but it was rare. Did he
commit adultry? Yes, there's proof he committed adultery. Okay, that
ends the story. You get the whole ball game, you know,

(24:40):
and guess what that really limited adultery.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
That's that's a motivation. You know, just carry your bank
book around with you. You know, you look at the girl,
you look at the bank book, and.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
It was much better for the kids.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, obviously the system we have now is just horrific.
You know, this, this whole theory they had with custody.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Oh, it's horrible, It's absolutely horrible.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
I want to touch on one other thing though, historically,
before we get into this whole thing going on, which
I think is terrifying. What's going on on YouTube?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh golly, I couldn't sieve that when they contacted me.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
But before, yeah, you didn't, you didn't know about it
before then? No, Oh, my god. Okay, but before we
get that, I want to touch on one more thing historically,
because I just noticed it today for the first time
and I was looking at your Wikipedia page. You had
a run in with Maplethorpe.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Oh yeah, I did the testimony. I won the first part.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
And by the way, that Wikipedia, remember Jimmy, Jimmy what's
his name that created it made all his money from boriography.
Oh oh yeah, Jimmy Wells. Well it I forgot he yeah,
yeah he did. I wrote on that, you know, and
he wrote he wrote back, all upset, don't say that.

(26:00):
I you know. So I said, you know, don't look
at me. It's here here, it's proven in in the
in the documents. It's not my fault. You made your dope.
So we know that Wikipedia is more than slanted. But yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Gotta love Judith Risman's fighting with Wikipedia. She's taking on Wikipedia.
I love it. But tell us about your fight with Maplethorpe,
because he's normal. The guy's go slack. This guy's was.
You got pictures of them all the machine then.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, maple Thorp down, Maple's dead. But when he was up,
when all his his paintings or not paintings. That's that's
giving him much too much credit when his photographs right,
when his photographs were up to uh, we're going to
be you know hung in the museum has great works

(26:51):
of art. It's yeah. So I was asked to testify
on that, and it's the first hearing before the judge
Albany's I testifying, and I said, you know, you don't
want there's no need to look at all his photographs,
do not need that. That's not the issue. The issue

(27:14):
are his obscene pornographic child pornography. That's the issue, the
ones that that are doing that. And and so the
judge ruled in my favor, which which the opposition, and
the opposition the museum was supported of course by Playboy.

(27:34):
They came in and they you know, gave us what
they call whispering counsel, right, played by whispering council. So
the judge ruled that I was right, and uh, only
the five you know, the five images should be examined. Uh.
So then the next round was the actual uh discussion

(27:58):
or the actual testimony on the five images, for which
just about a major museum in the United States curator
go to defending these photographs, including the two alphornography and
I you know, I objected, but I was not allowed

(28:21):
to actually give proper testimony. They shut me down. They said,
just you know, you can just say answer these three
questions or whatever it was. So the jury did not
get to hear the facts, which was that everything that
Maplethorpe produced, everything he said in his own interview on

(28:42):
you know camera was all erotic. It was all pornographic,
every bit of it. So that when he showed this
picture of a little girl with the skirt, you know,
he shot it from from below so that you could
and she had no underpants. I'm not you know, he
made sure she had underpants. You know, a little girl
was posed with no underpants and he shot from below

(29:05):
so you could see her her you know, genitalulterfool uh.
And the little boy, which they no one, no one
there knew, uh, the the work on that he chased
this little boy around the house is this woman's house
to get a photographed of this naked little boy and

(29:28):
posed him on a plutch black chair so you could
see his little you know, private parts or as this
little boy said to me, my in between. Yeah. So
you know, Maple Thorpe really really set that whole thing up,
and it was shock pornography. And there's a lot more

(29:50):
that had I been able to testify to the to
the you know, to the jury, I could have told him.
And but of course the playboy, uh lawyer guy, there's
a circuin hec said that I was I was a fascist.
Oh I did, And what can you say? So they

(30:15):
got to win, But we won on the on the
notion that you do not have to adjudicate based upon
that whole genre, that you can just look at the
few images that would indict the guy. And so as

(30:35):
a major win, and based on that we should have
moved forward, but nobody followed through.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Now, when you were going up against Maplethorpe, were you
aware of his his connections to the cult and this
a sam cult in the processed church and what kind
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
No, not really. I could tell by what he produced. Yeah,
by his his productions, by his photographs, I could tell
that he was as deviant as they came, like gosh,
but I had no, I had no acquaintance with his
connections directly with the occult. It just looked like satanic

(31:15):
that I mean, not for sure, but you know, anybody
who would deny that had to be totally ignorant.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, because Amoy Terry actually claims that he had a
copy of one of the films, the filming of one
of the son of Sam murders of the snuff film.
Really yeah, oh yeah, this is this is an intense guy.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah. No, I just was going by what he was
displaying in the museums. Look, it was pretty clear that
those were the better things he could show, and those
were pretty bad, you know.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
So you know, right boy?

Speaker 2 (31:54):
So okay, So recently this group called YouTube Investigations, they
got a YouTube chat and they just brought a domain
name and they're doing some good work on what is
going on on YouTube, which is horrific. Give us an
idea of what they're showing you.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Wow, I mean you almost can't even talk. I mean,
you could talk more easily about Kinsey's rape of the
children right then you can about what's being shown to
the you know, on YouTube. And I just talked to
somebody about last week who said, oh my gosh, she said,
my kids watch that.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, I mean billions of you know, times that these
things are watch because the kids watch over and over
and over again. By the way, so you're talking about
real brain changing stuff, you know, they are really uh
struck restructuring the brains of little children, absolutely with Spider Man, Elsa, Batman,

(32:57):
all Disney, you know characters, right with with these beloved characters,
beloved characters who are being how do I say, you know, okay,
let me think so they're sexualized. Certainty that we would

(33:19):
easily say they are all sexualized. The violence, the cutting fingers,
that the injections with needles, the and and the use
of fecal activity, yeah, burying these the characters burying Elsa

(33:43):
to her neck and I think it was the Spider
Man or Batman one of the others, you know, And
the use of of fecal activity there on them. You know,
the the the pornographic depictions with with somebody stripping, and

(34:03):
you know, the the heroes lusting after You're talking about
little kids watching this stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, right, just so people understand, this is content provided
on YouTube for free of some of it's in cartoon
form anime forms. Some of his live actor actors dressed
up as the Joker, dressed up as a spider Man.
Spider Man is a big one and this Elsa. They
and they're they're engaging in sexual activity uh uh, urinating

(34:33):
on each other, defecating on each other. So some of
us simulated, but some of us, you know, it looks
very real.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
This is and and the business with with Elsa, you know,
having maggots climbing into their ear. Uh you know, you
get close up to that. I mean, anybody's wondering why
their children have nightmares, why the child is screaming at night,

(35:01):
Why the child is experimenting on the on the dog,
on the cat, on the baby in the next room.
You wonder why that's happening. Listen, if you want to
go challenge that in the courtroom, I will defend you.
I will go. I will come as an expert. Don't worry.
I won't charge a thing. You know, these are horrible

(35:25):
what they're doing to the children that are watching. And look,
let me ask you who who would portray this stuff?
You know, bet you got the producer, you got a director,
you got the actors, got you've got musicians, You've got
all these people are involved in vicious, vicious attacks on

(35:49):
small children. Vicious attacks on small children. There should be
no no, there's no reason this is allowed. This has
to be illegal. LT illegal. I will stand in any
courtroom and go for it, but we need proper lawyers
to challenge it. And our lawyers on our side are

(36:11):
largely so focused on religious freedom, you know, issues which
I don't denigrate. You know that that they do not
take up this kind of obscenity and these are obscene.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
These are so obscene, Great doctor Richmond, that there's other
content too. I don't know if these guys have told
you about it, but this stuff that I've become aware of.
I've chatted with these YouTube investigators on Twitter, behind us,
on direct messages. But there's other content, the content of
live children and they're not involved in any nudity, but

(36:47):
what they're the behavior they're doing, they're acting out is
sexual behavior. There's little games and little things and it's
sexual in nature. Children under eight years old, seven year old,
six years old, and there's thousands and thousands of views,
there's millions of views. In fact, the comments have all
kind of sexual connotation, you know, the expletives, you know, uh,

(37:08):
obscenities in the comments. You can find that kind of stuff,
you know, can you know if you're staying in this video?
I want to do this to this little kid in
his video. You can find those terms right now. Not
only this, there's a little six seven year old girls
in these videos. But when you want to view it,
you've got to prove your eighteen in order to view it.

(37:32):
Then there's millions of hits. Now you there's no way
that YouTube and Google cannot be aware of this.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
And Disney Disney right only right, yeah, all of them,
all of them are aware.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Now you've taken on, You've taken on every battle you've
you've taken.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
What do we do Well, I got to get some
decent fighting lawyers. I mean, please, anybody out there you
know who's who's a decent you know, fighting lawyer where
you can take them down, you can zoom for everything
under the sun. I mean, come on, get your get

(38:10):
kids who have been damaged, any any parent who's the
child has been crying, the child has acted out on
other children. This has got to be happening all over.
It's not just the country, because I think this is global.
I think you know, it goes out to the rest
of the world. But let's not worry about the rest
of the world right now. Let's worry about the United States.

(38:33):
Your children are being absolutely destroyed. There's no way they
can survive watching this kind of violent, degrading, horror filled stuff.
There's no way they can survive intact. There's just not
It's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
That's so true. Just think back to when you were
a little kid and you saw some when you're like
when you me were kids and we saw the Wizard
of Oz and you know, and the monkeys scared us
and we had nightmares over that. You know, got to
imagine what these kids are seeing out today. How could
it must be affecting them?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah? Absolutely, And anybody who's out there who wants to
pick up on this and start talking to me about lawsuits,
I mean, because we can't or for crying out loud,
President Trump, get some of your prosecutors on this. You know. Yes,
we've had no prosecution for years and years and years.

(39:29):
Now you're the law enforcement is picking up the child
the guys engaged in child pornography right and left. Let's
get some prosecutors going after Google and going after Disney
and going afterwards the other one I forgot, Marvel, Yeah, going, yeah,

(39:51):
let's get some guys and I can get you all
the brain science data. I can you know anything that
you need and let's put out let's put out a
call for parents. If your child has been watching any
of this stuff, like this guy I talked to the
other day. You know, if your child has is having nightmares,

(40:13):
if your child is you're talking about a lawsuit. You're
talking about children who have acted out on other children. Yeah,
so please, you know, prosecutors, get on the ball. For
goodness sakes, it's going to be your kids who watch
this and your grandkids. You know, there's got to be

(40:35):
some folks out there ready to defend children in this community,
in this society.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Still, well, well you're down there at Liberty University, right, Yes,
well didn't didn't The president of the university, Fall well Son,
endorsed Trump. He must have contact with Trump. Can't you
knock on his door and go over there, and you know,
I'll go in.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
I'm planning to knock on his door, but I mean
you go with me.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Yeah, let's talk after this, after this to see what
we can arrange, because yeah, there's got to be and
there has got to be.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
A prosecution, prosecute, prosecutorial addressing of this massive, massive torture
to our to our children, or.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Like you said on another show, a congressional investigation at
least the hearings.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yes, oh yes, yeah, but you know what I.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Had another I did another show recently about the adoption
abuses that go on in the adoption system, and they
had some congressional hearings about that. But the congressional hearings
were in order to reduce the the oversight and controls
over the abuses that go on and adoption.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
That that's a problem, that's always a problem congressional. You know,
we try to get attention to these issues, but you're
never sure about how that comes out, right. But a prosecutor,
you know, going after these guys, because first of all,
that would force the media, I think, finally to have

(42:12):
to cover you know, I was sorry when Hefner died
because I was sure hoping you could we can get
him on child pornography here and bring him into the courtroom,
you know, because that those are some of the only
ways to get mainstream media to cover any of this stuff.

Speaker 7 (42:34):
Yeah, well, let me ask you a questions, because you've
been fighting, you spent your whole life, your adult life,
fighting this, and it seems now that it's more systematic
than ever.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
It's more systematically from the highest levels. You know, Uh,
what do you think is going on that the people
in to rise the power in this country and other countries.
They're they're involved with this themselves, or they endorse it,
or they allow it.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
But what's going on well, combination of all those things.
You have to remember it started really okay with Hefner
as the pamphleteer. But before then and all of our
universities listening and picking up on Kinsey's claims that you're

(43:21):
having sex with kids is harmless, don't worry about it.
You know, they're really your partners in these Look. I
attended a major conference they never let me back again
in nineteen eighty one or was it nineteen eighty in Jerusalem.
It was a fifth World Conference of Sexology, and at
that time I raised this whole issue of Kinsey. Yeah,

(43:47):
because I was raising it with all these other academicians
and I thought, okay, you know, let's do something about this. Well,
they had all bought into it. You have to remember
years to figure it out. There was hardly an academician
who wrote in sociology, psychology, in political science anywhere where

(44:09):
they're talking about sex. Who wasn't quoting Kinsey? It just
didn't happen back in the fifties. And then, of course,
the model Penal Code at the nineteen fifty five American
Law Institute Model Penal Code completely dependent on Kinsey for
its data on sodomy. That basis of the Lawrence versus

(44:31):
Texas decision in two thousand and three. So all of
your academicians got on board. Now now we're into our
third generation, right, we have three generations. We had that
first generation, which then taught the second generation and each time,

(44:53):
you know, you're lowering your standards even more. There are
fewer and fewer boundaries. Yeah, and then the third genera.
You know, we're in our third generation. There's a reason
so many academicians in our universities don't believe in free speech.
There is a reason that are so many academicians and

(45:15):
universities testified for against you know, Trump daring to speak
to the idea of borders. I mean, these are these
are people who have been bought and sold this this, this,
this bill of goods, you know, and sexually, they are
so compromised, so many of them, that you see that

(45:39):
when you get to Laurie's book Laurie Handrahan on uh,
the epidemic. You know, we have our FBI saying there's
an epidemic of child pornography. We don't even are. We
don't even deal with regular straight, quote unquote woman man

(46:00):
and one man pornography anymore, because our brains are so changed,
Our brains need so much more novelty excitation, and that
novelty and excitation will only be satisfied by children now,
and not so much by children by infants, not so

(46:22):
much just by infants, by incredible brutalization. So you know,
we come back to the few brave, brave sheriff now sheriff,
the sheriff in that did the I did a big
piece for him in Florida on pedophilia shaff Rundy Judd,

(46:49):
Judd Srif, Judd Church judge. Yeah, there are just there
are some out there who are courageous, tough guys. And
I just urge to anybody who really wants to earn
their stars in Heaven to take off after after the
Internet people.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, well, let me ask you this. We just had,
we just had a big breakthrough with Hardy Weinstein gets
busted right, right, so tip of everybody's tongue. Everybody's outraged, okay,
and right rightly. So then you got this guy Kevin Spacey,
right okay, right, you know, busted wide open a little kid,
you know. But now you got Kevin Spacey. Part of

(47:32):
the story is Kevin Spacey was on a plane with
Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton and Chris Tucker. Jeffrey Epstein's
a convicted child molester.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
With the slap on the wrist, right.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Right, We've done many many shows. But now why doesn't
the media make that connection of Spacey and Epstein? What's
the fear? How can there be an overwhelming, consuming blanket
over this that no one in the media talks about it.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
We talked, We just said why, We just said why.
They they are in it and they look if they
aren't doing it, you know, so they know some boss,
they're working for something and and who is and they
are not going to challenge the status quo.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
But how do they raise to the how do they
rise up to the I don't know any of these people.
How do they rise to the top. How do they
rise to the top of every industry? When I never
meet these people, they never bring it up to me.
I don't get invited to these parties.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Well that's why you don't get that's I'm not invited eat.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, well we'll have our own party. How do how
do they rise to the top A power? Blackmail?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yes, yeah, blackmail and briberary. They're too big, the two
big beans. Blackmail and bribery. Yeah. Look, I think we
explained it easily Larry Flints. Right when when the when
the politicians and started to go after the pornography industry,

(49:06):
Larry Flint said, look, you're going to go after my guys.
You know, he says, I have pictures. I have pictures,
and if you're going to try to take anybody out,
you know, I will get those I will reveal those pictures. Now.

(49:27):
That stopped everything. When I was doing my research and
it got killed in the middle, you know, got absolutely killed.
Why did it get killed? You know, we started investigating. Yeah,
there were blackmail, there was blackmail. There was bribery with
the FBI as well. I was we worked for the

(49:50):
FBI when just before the attack came and the FBI
back down as well. So you know, yeah, they're they're
up at the top, and all you need is a few,
a few pictures of the guy raping a child. And

(50:12):
still the American public does not like that, you know,
still the American public material.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Part, but not as as much as ten you know,
so they're a lot. And look at Woody Allen. You know,
people are still going to see his movies and stuff,
you know, yes.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
But they they they draped the Woody Allen think, you know,
in all kinds of language to make it okay. Well
he had that in Roman Polanski. Yeah, so they're all
ready to welcome these these perverts back into their bosom.

(50:50):
They would be able, they would welcome Weinstein back, you know,
in their in their bosom. But but too many high
end women, you know, started screaming and yelling. Well they're
screaming and yelling because they want to work. Well that's
very nice. What about the kids? Why are you? Why

(51:11):
are you not screaming and yelling about the kids? You
those those gals, you know, large numbers of them, uh,
you know, would have known about the pedophila, pedophilia in
the in the profession go on. They would have known
about the pederastine and the profession you know, and and
why are why is it only that you want to work.

(51:34):
You you want to work. You don't want anybody squeezing
your stuff. Well, I agree, but what why not speak
out about the kids? You That's that's sacrosanct.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, something has to shake loose here because.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
We will not have we are not having a country
at all. If we will not have a country, we
don't it's not the same.

Speaker 6 (52:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Well we're downside the last three minutes, doctor Reisman or
reracement Uh. I know you have something you events coming up.
You have an event coming up in Mexico.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm doing Josh mcdowall's having his summit in Mexico.
I'll be doing that. I don't know the exact date now.
And you know, I'm doing some other stuff waiting for
it to hit. The Veterans for Child Rescue has a

(52:33):
documentary that's going to be coming out I think fairly
soon that I've participated in. Really, Craig Sawyer, great job,
great great group, good guys, and other things you know
on the on the docket. But I keep wanting to
get something quick that we can go into the courtroom

(52:54):
and still bring the Dickensey's victim still alive. She's about
eighty six esther. I would really love to have her
in there to be able to before she passes, to
be able to testify against Kinsey and against what was
done to her to become part of that, the charts

(53:16):
and grafts that he used to become a hero.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh my god, imagine that. And who could you sue that?
Who would be the defendant of the Kingsy Institute?

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah? Sure, Oh my gosh, it's huh yes, indeed, the
Kinsey Institute in Indiana University, I mean the whole the ballgame.
They're board of directors and stuff. I mean, come on,
I've been talking about this long enough. They know, they know,
they know.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Yeah, it seems like they have money too. You think
we could find a lawyer, I don't know, to take
a look at it, if they could find someone, Yeah,
doctor Judith Reestment. And and what's your website again.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Ah d R Judith jd ih recently mar e I
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Speaker 2 (54:08):
I'll plug it again at the end of the show.
Dodtr Riasman, thank you so much. A national hero. That's
the word I'm looking for.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
God bless you, just let it achieve something. I know,
I hear you, blessing.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Thank you, but bless you too.

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Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
I think doctor Judith Reesman, you're kind of Doc Judith
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Barbara Maya and I'm probably gonna call it doctor Barbmaya
by twenty times he's been callin oor Leski's doctor Barbara Amaya.
Are you there? Yes, I am, thank you so much,

(01:00:37):
Thank you so much, author of Nobody's Girl. But Barbara,
tell us about who is bar.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Prior to twenty twelve, I probably was kind of stumbled
over that answer and said, I don't know. I Today,
I I am an author, I'm an advocate, and I
a survivor of human trafficking as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Okay, and you're the author of the book Nobody's Girl. Yes,
what is the book about? Give us anything? What the
book is about?

Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
The book is a memoir. It's actually it's the best
selling book on Amazon, and it's a memoir of my
time spent in the streets of New York, well in Washington,
d C. For a short time, but for over eight
industry of New York City.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
From the age of twelve.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
I was a victim of human trafficking and it also
The book also includes an informative side for law enforcement,
medical personnel, parents, teachers, counselors, and young men and women.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Well, now I'm from you York up there. I was
born in the nineteen sixty two. I lived there in
two thousand. So gave I do? Were you born in
New York? How'd you wind up in New York?

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
No, I was born in Fax well actually Alexandria Hospital.
But Regina, one of the one of the comments and
book review on Amazon said, this young girl was from
one of the highest costs of limara in the United States,
which is true. But I was from home in the
summer turn twelve, and I ran away nearby Washington, DC.

Speaker 6 (01:02:16):
And I ran away many times, verst several months.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Okay, I'm not going to catch you seventeen now, but
she was twelve once again, and I know she could
never run away. Now, what was going on home? That
was you run away?

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Well, like so many victims of domestic minor sex trafficking
or huge traficking, sex trafficking, even labor trafficking, which you
know what wants to talk about. I was experiencing in
my home. I was experiencing abuse. And not to say
that every single victim of iman trafficking is experiencing abuse. However,

(01:02:50):
I was actually just going over some studies, and there's many, many, many,
many studies that point to the fact that, well, you know,
first of all, we'll know that the vulnerabilities are prey
to about supply and demand, and vulnerabilities being preateponds. Who's
more vulnerable than a child, And then secondly, who's more
vulnerable than a child who.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
May have been traumatized in some way?

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Right, Right, So they're easier to control, easier to approached,
easier to manipulate, easier to coerce into trucking. Right. You know,
I say, the earlier abuse I experienced set me up
as a walking target, you know, really, So if I
began away and I was just I was, I was
running away from what was happening.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
But I was running too.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
Right, I was trying to find somebody to believe me
and care of Ma and me and all those things
children want, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Like a twelve years old you'd run away, and where
would you go? Bus station or something?

Speaker 6 (01:03:41):
Yeah, I mean I just I'd go.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
I'd go downtown to watch it was like Tanacle mile
my home and I'd go downtown there And.

Speaker 6 (01:03:50):
It soon became apparent what.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Uh, you know, if somebody offered for me to sleep
in their home for the evening, I knew what was
going to happen, you know, but I would end up being.

Speaker 6 (01:03:58):
Raped or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Like I say, that set me up for what was
going to happen later, right, But it wasn't hard for
a twelve year old female to find a place to stay, right,
I mean there's wherever they are young people, there are
predators waiting to prey upon them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Unfortunately, so so a twelve year old kid at night
in the dark and Roman would see and instead of saying, hey,
let me call the cops or let me try and
get this kids back home, would say, let me take
this get home.

Speaker 5 (01:04:27):
And you know, I'm skipping way ahead in a story
my experiences. But my trafficker actually ended up dying in prison.
But anyway, I can get to that later if you'd
like me to.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
But I often say you know what makes me sad
about that? And I do.

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
I do feel sad because he could have helped people.
He could have helped young runaways instead of praying upon them, right,
but he.

Speaker 6 (01:04:49):
Didn't end like sunny people that Uh yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:53):
I mean, I've seen really really bad parts of the
human race, and I've.

Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
Seen some good parts now, thank goodness.

Speaker 5 (01:05:00):
I've definitely believe and did and evil, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
But okay, but not just the guy who just died
in prison. And I got to tell you, you know,
the last girl I had on to the last woman,
she's a young woman who was involved in this kind
of situation here in Las Vegas. She was in a
horrific situation where she was kept in this guy's garage
and sold to another pimp. And you know, well he
died in prison too, you know. And I can't feel
sorry I die in prison. Great, you know, good, But

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besides the guy who died in prison, like, didn't adults
see a twelve year old kid and say, hey, do
you need help?

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
No, never, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
Actually, well, in the few in the first few months
when I was running away from home the summer I
turned twelve, my birthday is July tenth.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
I was running away from home, running away from home, and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:45):
You know, they sometimes my parents would come and look
for me, sometimes they wouldn't. And I've actually seen I
saw notes from I've actually seen records saying sometimes the
parents would look and sometimes they would anyway, and sometimes
police would find me, sometimes they wouldn't. And I went
those first few months. I went through all the systems.
I went through the juvenile justice system, the child well

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for a system, foster care. I went through all those systems.
But I just got through the crack bake through whatever.
I don't know. I mean, I just try and tell
people what was having him help up, you know, and
so but get to be on the street, nobody in
the nights out in the street. No nobody was coming
up and saying help you little girl. No, like I said,
sometimes the place.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
Would me sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
But other than that, no, I mean, I know people
were the ones that became the people that would seek through.
I always struggled that word Beau. Don't like the word John.
I like the word client, customer, and John minimizes the
whole experience customer clip. That wasn't business arronment for me.
So I struggle on finding the word people. Were the
ones became in my story who would seek to you know,

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that were clients?

Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
Those were the people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
You know, you're saying that the people that you would
see in the juvenile courts and stuff like that later on.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
Well, no, no, not in the juvenile court system. I'm
getting mixed up.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
I'm talking about the people in the street.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Oh and as we're talking about Yeah, but now what
about the juvenile court system and all that, Like these
these agencies that are supposed to be helping this industry
around this, are they doing any good or did they
help you at all?

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
Well? They didn't help me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
I actually, in resourcing my researching some information for my book,
I I a tempted to find people that were around
a few years ago. And you know, I talked to
a few counselors in the systems today and they said
things like, oh, that wouldn't happen today. You know, you'd
be you'd be identified as a as a victim in
need of services, and you would have you know, And

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I say, well, I hope I would, but I wasn't
at that time. And actually, foster children are are very
vulnerable to human trafficking and very very very high percentage
of children that are abused in the in the foster
care system and end up being trafficked in trafficking victims.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
You know, well, we'll give us an idea. When you
were twelve years old, what year was this?

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
It was a long time ago. I mean, I'm but
guess what, you know. Having said it was a long
time ago. And when I speak across the country, I say,
you know, well, first of all, I always project a photo.
I only have like three photos of me from that
time period when I was twelve, and I always project
a photo of me this summer I turned twelve, because
I want people to see that was me, that was

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a twelve year old me, right, And I say, I'm
a woman of a certain age. But it doesn't matter.
What's happening is still happening exactly the same way, exactly.
Why would they change their formula. It's working right. The
only thing that's changed is the added element of the Internet,
which has made it one hundred million times worse. Okay,
and now it's happening in your living room, parents, Sorry,

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but it is. You know. It's not like your child
doesn't have to go to the bus station to meet
a trafficker. They can meet them in the bedroom on
the computer. You know. So it's just made it worse,
But it hasn't. It hasn't changed the formula of grooming
a victim and manipulating a victim. You know, everything is
exactly the same. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
He really is amazing how these predators and like you said,
they can sniff out a kid that has problems at
home that's been abused before they can see they can
see that kid. But yeah, without any training, you know
what I mean, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
No psychological degree. Is there anything right to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Help a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
You got to go to college and take twelve years
of college to help a kid. But to be a predator,
he just like the blood they sniff the blood they do.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
It's like a shark. And you know, yeah they do
and and and they do have a degree from the street,
you know, and they know exactly when they see three
girls walking along in the mall and they approach them
and say you're so beautiful, and they and the one
of them says thank you and gets in their face
and they're like, okay, not her, and then the other
one kind of looks at the ground and goes oh, Geo,

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not me, and they go, that's the one, you know,
because self esteem is a bubble against traffic. I say,
you want to help your child build up their self esteem,
you know, build it up, build it up, build it up.
And and that's like a wall that will help them
deploy that type of a trafficker, right, that tries to

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prey upon them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Your whole time in the street, you had one trafficker,
the main one guy who took over.

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Yeah, I actually.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
Did I I well, no, I take that back. I
was in DC and I was approached by this young
woman and she had been sent out by her trafficker.
I didn't of course, I didn't know that. I went
back with her to her apartment where there he was,
but I really I interacted with her like he was
telling her how to deal with me. And one day

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they took me to the corner of fourteenth and H
Streets and they handed me over to the trafficer from
New York. And what I think now is that he
probably had people in a few mage cities like Funnel
m people with me, young runaways or people. And I
was only around them for a couple of weeks, and
then I was I was under his control from actually
from twelve to twenty three.

Speaker 6 (01:10:53):
So it was a.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
Long time that I was there in New York. I've
seen studies set sand of a traffic and was seven years.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
But I was there a long much longer than that.
And I'm still here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
Okay, so this skyandule for eleven years.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
Yeah, more than that, I think. I mean when I
look at the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Police records, because by the way, people go, what what
do you mean police record?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
I did. I want not him, not then not the
uh customers I rested though I was you know by
the time at to New York, I was about the king.
So thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, all those years I was and
I was arrested, and I went was silent prison, and
I was got a criminal record.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Okay, b either way, no no insta. Now, so you
were thirteen years old and you would get arreststr prostitution,
wouldn't they say, didn't you come up in a run
away database es anything like that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:42):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
No, I guess I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
What about I was always I was programmed and I
used that one purpose in the paper about called the
cult of human trafficking, the cult recruitment is exactly the
same as sex trafficking recruitment, you know, the same type
of thing, same type of manipulation and brainwashing, right the
traffic I was programmed to say fack name, a fake address,
fake data Earth And before I was arrested, let's say,

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the first time I'd never been arrested.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Before arrested Cork, I was a child.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
I didn't have a criminal record, so I never I mean,
that's when my criminal record began, you know, with my fingerprints.
You know this is boor the inn. But still they
should Yeah, you're right, there should have been some the
whole time I was in New York. There was a
one time, one time that someone ran upstairs with this
apartment that I was at and said, there's somebody down

(01:12:32):
at that bar I was about, and they said my.

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
Whole real name and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
And I was like, what you know? And I think
that my family must have had somebody looking for me
or something. That was many years in though that was
many years after.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
So you were getting arrestedeen fourteen, fifty years old and
going to Rikers Island.

Speaker 5 (01:12:51):
I went to records on one time that time I
was fifteen or sixteen, and five time I was heavily
addicted to heroin, by the way, and when I went,
and you know, it was like two days two and
a half days in by the time I went to
the police station, was locked up overnight. Went to the
one hundred Center Street to the court, went to the
bus to.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
Go to Rikers Island.

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
The bloading sandwich and some kool aid or whatever. And
I was very sick because I didn't have in heroin.
So I was, you know, just I broke protocol from
what I was there to say, I completely I started
banging on the thing and I started telling them, you know,
wait a minute, I'm really fifteen, I'm from Fairfax, Virginia,

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this is my real name.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
I'm not supposed to be here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
And they didn't believe me at first, but then I
guess they excuse me, did some research and they and
they told me, you know, your parents are coming to
get you and they're going to be here soon. And
then I just had all the stile emotions. I thought,
they're not going to want to see me. I don't
know what these people even told them. They're going to
hate me because I would have been doing and I
was feeling, you know, fear, anger, scared, plus being sick

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from like drugs, and they take me down the hall
to this room and they open the door and it's
traffickers stand mean there, Oh no, yeah, And to this day,
I don't know how that happened. I do not remember.
I don't know how that happened. My mother who still
says they missed me by like ten minutes. They went there,
they went to pick me up, But I can't say
that I stayed there and said, no, no, thank you,

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I'll just stay here.

Speaker 6 (01:14:17):
No, I left, you know, of course I did.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
And how is he able to get you paid your bail?

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
I don't remember all the No, I don't remember, but
I don't remember. But all I know as I got out,
and let me say, he did not look like a
family member. I don't think it was my father or
my uncle or my brother. So I don't know how
that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Well, turn a minor role to an adult. You want
to say, I listen to some kind of idea, right,
you think I know?

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
How did that happen? I still don't know how that happened.
I don't well, you know, I don't think i'll ever know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
New you're back in the seventies, and eighties. Like you said,
it's not today when all his computers, it's right that
your fingerprint come back and you're checking p R right,
can make up your middle name. You know, if you
can fudge around, it was they didn't even have metal
detectors at court. We can courdal tectors. You know who
the little world.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Probably it was different, and I'll give it that, but
you know, I still think they still should. I still
don't know how that I even got there. I don't
I called him, I don't remember. I don't I didn't
have a phone.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
You know, how did he know you were there?

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I don't. Well, he
knew I was there in the beginning. He knew I
was in there, didn't want to get he could have
he could care less.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
You didn't care.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
He's just like du time in there and get he
didn't care.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
But Westina became addicted to heroin. He wasn't giving me
the heroin.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
People always think that, oh, the trafter got you addicted
to drugs, And I don't know, why would he do that?

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
That would cost him money?

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
And he he was.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
Already calling me and Ethan.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
You know, he was actually really angry that I got
involved with the hair.

Speaker 6 (01:15:41):
It wasn't their girl.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Out of traffic and the tu that brought me up
to Harlem and gave me heroin but mind and numbed.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
My box to what I was having to endure.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
And it really kept me from going insane, actually, but
unfortunately it was physically it did now.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
And so I had the money to him and money,
drugs and everything others.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Before he said, hell, oh.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
I mean any every kind of drunken think I've been
the street through, and I mean all kinds of drugs
that were out there in the streets in Washington.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
I mean, excuse me, all different ones, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
But and what was your relationship?

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
We addicted?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
What the what the guy? What was the relationship with him?
You are in love with him?

Speaker 6 (01:16:19):
Did I think I?

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Did you think you were in love with him?

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
With fear?

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
He both, because that's what they do. The main form
of full for a uh sex trafficker PEMP is traumabond formation.
You know, the whole Stockham syndrome thing. It's exactly that,
you know. He he drove me to New York and
I remember, uh for example, I went to chain the
radio station on the car and he slapped my hand away,

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and I was like, you know, if I hadn't experienced
that yet, any violence yet.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
So I was kind of like, oh, what's what? So
he was ending up that power dynamic.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
He made sure that he moved his jacket and I
saw that he had a big, huge gut of sticking
in there, you know, and I was I wasn't. I
hadn't been around guns yet, so that scared me. So
your mind begins to form this person to me, and
he on this per psychology you begin, he knew exactly
get that going. And what he also did is, you know,
I used to say when I started speaking.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
I used to say he didn't have sex.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
With me, but that was wrong because I was like
almost thirteen and he was like whatever, he was in
his thirty So he actually raped me, not have sex
with me, right. But anyway, he didn't do that right
away because that was also very intentional on his part
because he that would have changed the whole dynamic of
that what was happening there, you know. And what he
did do was say, tell me all about what happened?

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
Why'd you run away?

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
And he he positioned himself as my protector and my
my confidant, and you know, everything good. And then after
a few weeks he proceeded to throw me down the
stairs and beat me with wirecoat hangers. So it's be
very very nice, be very very mean, be very very nice,
be very very mean.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
And then your your brain forms.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
This this trauma bond, okay, and you it's it's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:18:01):
It's hard for people to understand.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
And that's when I try to explain the whole Stockholm
syndrome thing. People don't really know the whole story, some
of them. But it's really hard for people to understand
that bond.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, it really is, you know. And because I meet
I'm a private investment, I meet people in trouble all
the time, you know, yeah, you know what I mean.
And yes, the worst is these young girls that they're with, these.

Speaker 6 (01:18:27):
And then they may they run right back, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
It may not be a pimp, could be a boyfriend,
you know, but they're they're well different, held hostage, you know,
and then you can't get them out of that. You
take them to the women's shelter and they run right back. Now,
you know, what do I do? You got any advice
for me?

Speaker 5 (01:18:43):
You have to have them because like I was called
down to Jacksonville, Florida.

Speaker 6 (01:18:47):
Excuse me, hold on, sorry, I was.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
Called down to Jacksonville, Florida because they had built residential facility,
they had counselors there. They were trying to help victims
of domestic minor sex trafficking in Jacksonville, Florida. But what
they weren't They hadn't addressed this trauma bond. So these
young girls were sitting there, like you just said, twelve thirteen,
fourteen fifty whatever, sixteen seventy, sitting there listening to this

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person talk to them, and all they're hearing is blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah. And all they're thinking
about is running right back to this psychopath, you know,
and that's really all they're thinking about. And many other
psychological things have happened, like they you know, that drama
and that life, that secret underworld, criminal life.

Speaker 6 (01:19:32):
It appeals to a young.

Speaker 5 (01:19:33):
Person like that that's been damaged and under anyway, So
all of that is coming into play, and all they're hearing.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
Is blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
So unless that trauma bond is addressed, and that takes
time and nobody has time, right, But that doesn't take
like one one hour long conversation. That takes many hours
of counseling with a you know, trauma informed therapist. You know,
it takes many hours of getting that child, that person
to what's really happening, you know, and it takes time.

(01:20:04):
It doesn't take you know, a few minutes unfortunately, you know,
as much as medical personnel or people like private investigators
or law enforcement who want to help.

Speaker 6 (01:20:14):
It takes time. You can get the ball rolling, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
But you know, actually it's really hard to get the
ball rolling too because I can recall this, this one,
this last time. You know, I'm trying to be positive
and I know, you know, let's not tell you I
got all kinds of PTSD, just myself, just not the
only you know, try to help people. I just imagine
what you go through. But the thing is, I remember
calling this last I'm calling up the women's shelter, right,

(01:20:37):
and I know that I know the people that run
this place. Do you know what I'm saying? Give me
special attention. They like me. I've helped them, I volunteer
form and I'm telling listen, just talk to this girl.
She's staying over there, this budget sweets over here. Talk
to this girl. They said, well, we can't call her,
she has to call to call us.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
What do I do then, Yeah, well, just encouraging her
to call.

Speaker 6 (01:21:04):
For whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
You know, I'm going to give you someone to save
her to night.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
But I start talking about the guy and the person,
you know, the all defenses go up, right, Oh, he's
not that bad, you know, he cares about me, and
he whatever story they're telling themselves, you know, but it's
really fight or flight and survival mode in the in
their brain. They don't know that, you know, But it's
really about this person could kill me, this person could

(01:21:31):
hurt me. And I'm going to be as nice and
and oh I oh, I love them. They don't really
love them obviously, right, It's really deep psychological stuff. I mean,
it's really it really takes a long time to especially
for someone like me.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
I mean, I was under his control for.

Speaker 5 (01:21:49):
Many many years. You know.

Speaker 6 (01:21:50):
I knew his real legal name and everything.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
You know, and nobody could have told me anything, you know,
And he and I even did try to get away
from him.

Speaker 6 (01:21:59):
I tried.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
I ran away all the way back here to Virginia
one time, and he came and got me and brought
me back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
So you ran away back to your parents' house.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
Yeah, And I still I can see that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
What no, Yeah, so you will stay ash your parents' house.
And he came to your parents house and got your back.

Speaker 5 (01:22:15):
Well, he came to the he came to the area.
He didn't come to the house and knock on the door.
But I can still remember walking down the street. It
was dark, it was the evening, and I don't remember.
I don't know where my parents were.

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
Maybe they were in the living room. I don't know
where they were.

Speaker 5 (01:22:29):
But anyway, I remember I got out of the house
and I was walking down the street and I remember
him coming walking down the street. And I still remember thinking,
And to this day, it still hurts me to say this.
It's like I don't want to say this, but it's
the truth. I really felt like, oh he came. Oh
look he came, and he loves me. He's coming to
get me, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:22:47):
And that's the feeling that I had. I believed that.
I believed it, you know, with all my heart. I
believed that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Well, and that explained to me a couple of things then,
because you knew enough that the situation was mirrorb miserable
that you had to escape right. But then once he
came back looking for you, you thought I want to
go back with him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Well, a couple of times on the phone, probably I
probably talked to him, and who knows what he said,
you know, I don't some probably who knows what he
said because he didn't have their he didn't know where
to come and get me at. You know, obviously I
told him. Probably I told him where to go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
And how'd you talk to him on the phone? He
had your number where you called him?

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
No, I'm pretty sure I called him, So you called him?

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Was it possibly that you didn't have another boyfriend your
own age? You couldn't meet a kid, you know, it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
Was that you were going to touch your boyfriends before
I left, before I was running away.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
But that wasn't the point, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
I mean, like I said, that whole bond hadn't been addressed.
Nobody addressed that. So I was that child sitting at
home going I have to get back.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
I don't know. It's not that bad.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
Your mind starts playing tricks on you, you know, if
you start thinking I.

Speaker 6 (01:23:55):
Have to get back. I have to get back, and
it's it's hard.

Speaker 5 (01:23:58):
It's so hard to explain.

Speaker 6 (01:24:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
I was looking I knew I was going to talk
about this, and I was looking up before our call.
I was trying to find, you know, clear instructions how
to break a trauma bon. There are no clear there
are no like steps on.

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
Maybe I should write about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
That, Yeah, someone should. I mean, yeah, I think there's
a needs for that, definitely.

Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it does take months and months
of work.

Speaker 6 (01:24:23):
And I know I know one thing I talk about.
People don't have time.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
And by that I mean people, I mean you know,
people like you, medical personnel, law enforcement counselors.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Nobody has time.

Speaker 5 (01:24:35):
The only reason I even made it out of New
York is because someone took time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Well, the only reason how did you make it out
of New York? How'd you get away from this guy? Finally?
And how'd you get your life back on trip?

Speaker 6 (01:24:46):
Well? I was probably gonna die. I was five nine.
I've been five nine.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
I've been five nine since I was young, tall, and
but I was like ninety nine pounds, heavily adfted to Heroin,
just a walking skeleton. Life wasn't good. I was about
to die. And I went and you know, I would
run off and try to hide from him, the trafficker,
because I couldn't give him money, give the drugs money,

(01:25:13):
and he would drag me back to him and beat me.
You know. It was just it was horrible, horrible existence,
and so I would try to hide. And I hadn't
seen him around, and I can't say I'd been thinking,
oh i isy, I wasn't thinking that because the drugs
drug traffick, he means William.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
And so I pulled myself into some drug.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Clinic on the on the on the east side. I
put myself in there. I don't even remember how about it.
I went in her and the keler there for whatever
the intake counselor for whatever reason, I don't know why,
when all she was supposed to do was intake, just

(01:25:50):
like when you got locked up, like take my name,
my information, what are you here for?

Speaker 6 (01:25:55):
What's your address, what's your name?

Speaker 5 (01:25:56):
The next But she went above and beyond her job,
and she took time to look me in my face
and treat me like a human being. I felt one
hundred percent that she cared that she was giving me
eye contact, talking to me, and for the first time
in decades, I felt I was being talked to like

(01:26:20):
a fellow human being. And it just got through to
me and it and it made me feel like like
a person. And she took time and she asked me
what I like and what she got me a social
Security card. I had no idea, no social Security card.
I had nothing the whole time I was there. Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
And that's some thing too, that is so common. All
these girls, they had no driver's license, no social Security card,
no birth certificate. And it keeps them out of the system,
keeps them, you know, out of from getting to get
a foothold on on anything you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:54):
Know that's purposeful, and that these people that are controlling them,
whether they're you know, pimps, human travocers, psychopaths, people whatever that,
bad people, whatever they are, they don't want them to
have an ID card, you know, you know, they don't
want them identified.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Hey, you meet these people in trouble, it's one of
the first things I don't even have. Okay, I'll take
you down and get food, stiff, don't I don't have
my DA. I got to wait for my IDA to come,
you know, and then it never comes.

Speaker 6 (01:27:19):
From wherever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yeah, and it never comes, you know, month after month
after month, nothing ever happens. There has to be a
system that the government has to uh safety net for
people in this kind of situation, that especially kids that
are out there in the street with no idea and
no means of a home and things.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
It's they have broken it all down into all these
different populations like victims of human trafficking, homeless teenagers, teenagers
on drugs, teenagers who were abused, this and this and
this's all these different agencies and none of these agencies
and systems are communicating with each other either. Okay, nobody's
collaborating right with each other.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
I'm sure you know that already.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Yeah, And now all the budgets are getting cut. You know,
all these women's shelters they're all getting because they make
their living all of doing these domestic violence classes and
stuff like that, and all that stuff's being cut out.
I don't know what they're going to do with these people.
What I'm all in jail now because.

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
It's insane.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
That's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
For got my half out.

Speaker 5 (01:28:20):
About the budgets being cut and everything else. I mean,
I don't even And by the way, speaking of kind
of all that, I mean, I'd never voted in my life.
I never cared. I could have cared less about anything
to do with politics or voting or agencies or anything.
I couldn't the human race and mine mean, I really
didn't like people too much. And that's putting it mildly.

(01:28:42):
The fact that I would be, you know, lobbying on
Capitol Hill doing the work I do today would have
been like going to the moon. I would have never
imagined that I'd be doing that until twenty twelve. And
in twenty twelve I had this grand epiphany. I got
out of New York right, and then my whole trying

(01:29:04):
to put my life back together started. And I never
told anyone about my life in New York. No one,
nobody knew there's a big chunk of my life missing.
But I never told anyone because I thought it'd been
all my fault. That's the other thing. Guilt is a
horrible task master. It keeps people enslaved because you know,
they want you to think it's all your fault and

(01:29:25):
it was all your idea, and you know, the trafficker
told me, you're going to be arrested. They're going to
treat you like the criminal, and you're going to say this,
You're going to say that, And he.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
Was right, so they validated what he told me.

Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Anyway, I tried to put my life together.

Speaker 6 (01:29:39):
I you know, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:42):
What to do. I left school in the sixth grade.
I figured, I'm supposed to get married. Maybe I'm supposed
to get a job, finish my education, somehow have a child.
I don't know. And some of those things worked and
some of them didn't. But it wasn't until twenty twelve.
I'm sitting here in my living room in Arlington and

(01:30:02):
Virginia watching the news kind of sort of not really,
it wasn't really the volume wasn't up, and they started
talking about a case like two miles from here, where
gang members were trafficking young women. And I still didn't
listen because I didn't know what the term human trafficking
even meant. But then they started talking about the techniques

(01:30:23):
they used to enslave these young women, and then I
turned the volume up and I went, what, wait a minute,
that's that's what happened to me. That's exactly what happened.
And it's still happening now. You know, as human beings,
when we experienced trauma, we always think we're the only
ones that happened to right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
And I thought that, And all I.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Thought at that point was I had some vague idea
like I got to do something about this. And within
a couple of weeks, I was on that same news
channel sharing my story, started trying to speak places and
I have a major phobia about speaking.

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
I was like, I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Yeah, everybody does in the beginning, and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:06):
I still, I still, I feel like I did the
Ted talk. I thought I was going to have a
heart attack, but anyway, there there were like twelve hundred
people in there out anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
So.

Speaker 5 (01:31:20):
I self identified as a victim of human trafficking for
the first time in my life, and I knew what
happened to me.

Speaker 6 (01:31:28):
I had a name for it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:30):
So I took my life back and I started trying
to make a difference. So what I believe today is
everything I experienced was. This is what I choose to believe.
Everything I experienced was for a reason, so I can
do the work I do today. That's it. I believe
we as survivors are the experts that that can make
a difference, you know, I believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Before twenty twelve, though, did you get married, did you
have any kids?

Speaker 3 (01:31:57):
They do?

Speaker 6 (01:31:58):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:31:58):
Yeah, really I got married. But you know, I would
always pick. Remember I had no therapy, no addressing anything,
no talking about anything. So I would always pick. Out
of the room of you know, five hundred people, I
would pick the one.

Speaker 6 (01:32:10):
Alcoholic or drug addict.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Right, So I always picked the I always picked the
wrong person. Uh. And I didn't marry the wrong person.
And you know, but and then we tried to have
a child, and I'd never tried to have a child,
never tried to get pregnant. I had to go to
an infertility specialist and I had to have surgery. Because
of all the trauma to my young body, I had

(01:32:32):
to have surgery. I had surgery in June, and I
got pregnant in July with my one daughter. I'm also
a cancer survivor. I had uterine cancer and I had
three surgeries and six and o seven directly related to
being a victim of human trafficking directly. Really, I mean
I didn't have foot cancer. I had uterine cancer.

Speaker 6 (01:32:52):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
I had to have a complete hysterectomy, and I have
multiple health issues too. Hey because of I didn't have
you know, health benefits when I was being trus.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Yeah, I was gonna say, what about now do you
have medical coverage? Now?

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
I have some?

Speaker 5 (01:33:08):
Yeah, I have some coverage.

Speaker 6 (01:33:10):
Yeah, but I don't know what's gonna happen with that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
It just seems like like if we just had decent
medical coverage, medical care, if we had coverage, if we
just had decent healthcare in this country, that people who
have these emotional problems that they're abusing other people could
go in and get treatment for that. I stopped this
from the start, they wouldn't be predators out there walking around,
you know, right.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
And you know most you know, if you look at
these men, these people typically yeah, are there women trying, Yeah,
there's a few of them, but you know, mostly it's men. Okay,
sorry it is.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
But you know, if you look at these guys, they
have some of the same.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
They were abused issues they were they were you know,
I mean, I'm not making excuses for anybody, trust me,
I'm not. I'm just saying you might want to look
at that if you want to end this issue, you know,
and you're right, they do need.

Speaker 6 (01:34:04):
Counseling, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, and also too, the men that are out there
seeking to have sex with these little kids again also
need treating. There were also usually abuse on their kids
and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, and it really is
a never ending cycle. That I had a question for
you before, when you were out there on the street

(01:34:27):
and you'd come into contact with the police, how was
that was? Was Were there ever any did you ever
see any help from the cops when you're on the
street even.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
No, I mean as far as not you know, feeding
me up or being really horrible to me, that was good,
But I didn't I didn't have any like, hey, wait
a minute, you're not twenty one.

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
That's is that your real name?

Speaker 5 (01:34:54):
Wait a minute.

Speaker 6 (01:34:56):
That never happened.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
Not once they would take a polaroid photo click, the
would take fingerprints. But like I said, I didn't have
a criminal record when I first got arrested.

Speaker 6 (01:35:05):
Why wouldn't I have a criminal record?

Speaker 5 (01:35:07):
You know, it started then, It started right then when
they took my fingerprints. So that's how that worked. And
and and actually one time, and I'm not saying all police,
I'm just saying one time I was down on the
Lower East Side and I was taking taken hostage for
the whole weekend by this cop like he was he

(01:35:28):
was cuckoo. But you know, that happened, But that didn't
happen every time. And but no I never got any
like extra help from the police at that time. That's
why I believe law enforcement needs to have training and
medical personnel as well. And you know, because I would
go to the emergency room. That was my doctor, right,

(01:35:49):
So those guys, those people there, they.

Speaker 6 (01:35:52):
All need to have training.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
And identifying and what what do you do next with
this person? You know?

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
Okay, you identified?

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
Well maybe this girl maybe she's maybe she's thirteen or
fourteen or fifteen.

Speaker 6 (01:36:06):
You know, what do I do with her?

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
Now?

Speaker 6 (01:36:08):
You know, I just let her go?

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Other than this cop who held you hostage? Did anybody
else ever hold a hostage a guyument on the street? Now,
not the PANMPS put a guy youument on the street?
Not yeah you all.

Speaker 5 (01:36:21):
Wait, let me think, Let me think, Let me think.
Not for a whole weekend, for one night I had
that happen.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
I had.

Speaker 5 (01:36:28):
You know, I will say I experienced as much violence, Yeah,
I will say as much violence from them as I
did from the trafficker, because when someone thinks they've bought you,
they think they can do whatever they want to do
with you. Okay, they're not viewing you as a human being,
as a fellow human being, you know, because they have
to compartmentialize that and say, this body here is a

(01:36:51):
body that I just bought an hour with. They don't
want to think this is a fellow human being like
my daughter, or my wife, or my sister or my mother.
They can't think that or they can't do what they
want to do with you, right, so they compartmentalize all
of that, and they put this thought pattern in place.
You know, this person is not a person, and so
you know I can punch her in the face and

(01:37:14):
shove her out of the car and rob her. I
had that happen many, many, many times. I was raped
And people, what do you mean, how can you be raped?

Speaker 6 (01:37:21):
You were on the street, how can you what do
you mean you were raped?

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (01:37:23):
I could be raped. I was. I could be.

Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
Raped, and I was raped. Actually I was raped so
many times. I can't even remember how many times I
was raped.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Let me ask you a question, now, have you had
any kind of training in psychology or therapy? Or anything
with that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Yeah, I have. I'm not a licensed therapist. There was
a licensed psychologist, but yeah, because you was tooicinated with psychology. Yeah,
you seem really uh, you know, tuned into this kind
of thing. You know, it would be a thank you,
a benefit I think you know. Now, what about did
you get your own therapy for yourself for your traumas?

Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
Yeah, and I'm actually you know, seeing a therapist.

Speaker 5 (01:38:00):
I mean, I think I know that there are some
things that I'll get over in my lifetime and some
that I never will. I know that I'll always probably
have chronic post traumatic stress in your ome. The percentage
of victims like me that have PTSD is like high
as veterans of war. I'm not minimizing veterans PTSD.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
In any way, shape or form.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
I'm just saying, wait, you know, and you know that
you mentioned PTSD earlier, right, No, I.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Have some time I'm not being treated forcastic fatigue.

Speaker 5 (01:38:30):
Probably you know you're around all these people. Well, I
do believe in therapy. I think it's a great benefit.
But what I do also believe is it's really hard
to find a good therapist and a good fit. Oh yeah,
you know that's so important. Just because someone's a licensed
therapist doesn't mean jack. You know, you got to find
you got to find a good a good fit, a
good person that you fit with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
It compared to growing up in New York and some
of the psychiatrists and therapists I met in New York
and some of the ones I've met out here, which
are you in Las Vegas Plus Vegas, Nevada? So what
you doing there?

Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Wow, my joy is going to graduate college since my
daughter was to college, I'm out of here. Oh another year?

Speaker 6 (01:39:13):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Which is another thing too, Just a lot of these
kids in the street, if they only knew that, because
they've all been having them and diagnosed they got with
PTSD or trauma, they could be getting a check, they
could be getting an SSDI check and they won't have
to go on the street.

Speaker 6 (01:39:29):
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:39:30):
But then it's you know, money, money meant nothing to me.
Money money, that's another thing. Money was like paper to me.
Why because I was so young when when that all happened,
and and I was handing over hundreds of thousands of dollars,
you know, I sat down and tried to add it
up one time and I got so depressed I stopped
trying to figure it out because I don't really want
to think about that.

Speaker 6 (01:39:48):
But anyway, not now, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:51):
But money meant nothing to me because it really just
meant nothing, you know. So I don't know if a
check would mean anything to to I don't know, depending
on the a to the person, I guess maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
But I'm thinking about people who they don't have to
be living in the street because they could be getting
a thouands. Yeah, I agree, yeah, yeah, you know. Now
what about you hear about these guys, these white knights
who look for these young prostitutes and they will try
to rescue them. Did you ever run into one of those?

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
No? I never did, I never, but you've heard me right,
I actually knocked. I was down in little Italy. I
used to have a regular person down in Mott Street
and uh yeah, Mott, yeah, Hester and Mott And I
was down there and I went I was very sick

(01:40:38):
from lack of drugs. And I went and banging on
this church door and the priest comes to the door
and I don't remember what I said, and he slammed
the door in my face. I'm not saying all churches
are horrible. I'm just saying that was my personal experience
on that day. You know. So I tried to get
help a few times and it just never happened. And
I never had anybody try to come rescue me in

(01:40:59):
the street.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
But you've heard the term though, right, Oh yeah, And
there's kind of a disdain and a kind of thing
where people don't want to say, like I.

Speaker 5 (01:41:12):
Was rescued, somebody rescued me, and I mean I really
wasn't rescued. I do give credit to the counselor and
the clinic for talking to me, trying to send me
on a job interview, which was pretty hysterical because you know,
as you can imagine, I didn't know how to go
on a job interview. But she got me. She found

(01:41:34):
out that my older sister was living in Philly, in Philadelphia,
and she got me. I left, and I went on
a train to Philadelphia and I never went back. I
never went back to Manhattan until twenty thirteen. I never
And it's a good thing I didn't, because I found out.

Speaker 6 (01:41:50):
I had five warrants for my arrest.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
You should get those warrants taken care.

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Of, yes, Because I went back and I went back
in twenty thirteen after working with a law firm for
over a year pro bono, and the Justice Center in
New York vacated all those convictions and cleared my criminal record.
I no longer have the stigma of a criminal record
over my head. I'm no longer a criminal, you know.

(01:42:18):
I was labeled as a criminal. But New York was
the first state to put those statutes on the books. Unfortunately,
the state that I'm sitting in at this moment does
not have those and neither does our nation's capital. And
I've tried in both places to get them on the
books to no avail. So in twenty twelve, there were

(01:42:39):
only seven states that allowed convictions victims of human trafficking
to vacate their convictions, and now there are like thirty.
But basically, they had to prove that I was trafficked
to clear my name.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
It took about a year.

Speaker 5 (01:42:57):
But I mean, I understand that they can't just go
clearing people's records, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:04):
But I'm grateful.

Speaker 5 (01:43:05):
I'm grateful every day. Actually, I wake up every day
and I'm grateful that I'm alive, and I'm grateful that
I'm I'm fairly sane and I who can really say
you know, that's one thing I know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
I can really may think I'm doing better, but I
don't know. People still look at me kind of fuddy.

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
Yeah right, yeah, so nobody even looks at anybody anymore.
Today I did an experiment. I went to the grocery
store and I was like, I'm going to say hello
to ten people I want to see. And I was
And I wasn't acting weird or anything. I was just
like hello. I like one person said hello back because
they were all what were they doing? Texting, you know,

(01:43:48):
on their devices.

Speaker 3 (01:43:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
Yeah, I talk about that all the time. That's one
of my real prime and even just say yeah, I
walked into the post office this morning, I said hello
to somebody. God forbid a big mistake in fact that
people think.

Speaker 5 (01:44:02):
You're crazy, Like why are you stand hi to me?
You know WHOA I.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
Don't carry a phone. I don't carry a phone. I
don't text all day long. And I did talk to people. Yeah,
I talk to people I meet because this is what
you know, it's life. You got one life, live it
you don't meet some people.

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
Life is very short. I believe that. I tell people that,
especially at universities, young younger people. I say, I know
you you probably don't believe me, but I want to
tell you this. I know for a fact, life is
very very short.

Speaker 6 (01:44:30):
Please believe me, Please please believe me.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Yeah, Okay, we got about nine minutes left. Okay. Now
I can either ask you what signs to look for
in kids that you think that may be at risk
at home that we should be looking out to our
neighbor kids either that, or is there something else that
you'd like to fill the time with you?

Speaker 5 (01:44:48):
I mean, I would say if whatever state you're in,
you're listening to this show, if you come across this
audio and this radio show, you know, try to see
what legislation and is needed in your state as far
as human trafficking, and check out what's happening with the CDA,
the Communications Decency Act and backpage. Go google that because

(01:45:09):
there's needs it needs to be amended because it was
put in place in the nineteen nineties, and the signs
to look for. You know, if your child is a
teenager or a young almost teenager, they're probably already pulling
back and you're noticing that. But if they're really putting
back or they're be very very depressed, or there are
all kinds of different things showing up in their room

(01:45:29):
and they're talking to people you don't know who they are,
you know what, Make an account, go on to their
social media, you know, just do it, go on there
and see what they're doing, you know, try to monitor
what they're doing and talk to them, talk to them
and really find out what's going on in their lives.
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Yeah, or get a hold of me and send me
their phone or their hard drive and I can tell
you everything's going on here. I go, yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:45:53):
But that's a good point thing. Don't you think that's
a good advice, like letting letting parents make an account
go on to their I think that's a good advice. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Absolutely, you should be monitoring all that kind of stuff,
you know. But the reil thing is you got to
spend a lot of time with your kid when they're little.
Yet you have to have a relationship with your kid
so they're not afraid to come and talk to you.
It's you know, that's the thing. But now, but real quick, though,
tell people about backpage and Craigslist and what the hell's
going on on these things right out in the open.
On everybody's faces.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
Well, you know, it still happens in the street. Don't
get it twisted. It still does. However, now with the
lovely Advent, I have a love hate relationship with the Internet.
It's happening online right in your living room, your kid.
If you think they're going to talk about minecraft on YouTube,
but no, they might be saying, I hate my mom,
she made me take out the trash, and someone goes
really tell me all about it, and before you know it,
they're talking to your child. And then if they're trafficking

(01:46:43):
a victim, they put the photo of the person up
on It used to be on Craigslist. It still is
in various parts. But they say they took down their
adult section, but I don't think they did. But then
there's backpage dot Com, which is very very much in
the news right now, and trafficker will take their photos
of their you know, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

(01:47:04):
whatever age victim and pop them up on backpage dot
Com and say, you know, new.

Speaker 6 (01:47:08):
Girl in town, la la la la, whatever they're saying, and.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
Then they're basically advertising their commodities for sale on backpage
dot Com. The CEO of backpage has been taken to task.
They've tried to charge him with all these charges, and
he says, no, no, guess what I'm going in these
loopholes of the CDA Communications Decency Act. You can't do
anything to me. I don't know what these people are
doing on my website. But he's that's not true. He

(01:47:34):
does know what people are doing on the space, obviously,
And so we're trying to get that CDA Section two
twenty amended. But there is a lot of people against it,
a lot of people with big, big money, big time
tech people and big time billionaire people who want billions
of more dollars who don't want they don't want us
to change that because they're greedy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Yeah, and the bottom line, I've done some work on
this myself, with these Eurotic review and stuff like that,
and uh yeah, yeah, a lot of these websites and
these groups are run by TIMPs and guys who run
escort services. They're those same ones who are owned the sites.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
Yep, yep, yeah, parlors escort services.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
You know out here in Virginia, you know there's you
know all these blacked out windows, you know, massage parlors.

Speaker 6 (01:48:24):
You have to bus to get in. You know that
that sound like a legitimate business.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
You know, new you know, and cars out front with
New York tags, you know, because the the owners from
out of state. It's so obvious to people like me
that know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
And even but there's big money.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
Whenever there's money.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
I'm sorry, but you know that old saying the root
of all evil. It's true to me.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
Money is always the bottom line. Greed at it greed greed,
I said before.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
But the thing is too with these backpage and craigslists.
Even if you think, especially here in Vegas, you know,
and you think, oh, there are adults and that they're
independently fine, No, yeah, man, there are these women. Let
me tell you, okay, they're they're really being They got
no ide, they got no ride. They you know, they're
being bought and sold by other people.

Speaker 5 (01:49:12):
And people believe, I'm sorry, I mean to cut you off.
People believe, Oh they're fine, they're smiling. Look, yeah, they're
sex workers there. I hate that term. I hate that term.
That term really riles mere. Listen, if you're married for
fifty years, let me just put it this way. You're
married for fifty years, you and your partner love each other,
but one day you wake up one of you with

(01:49:33):
a headache and you don't want to have sex, and
you love each other for fifty years. Okay, Now, let's
imagine you're a quote unquote sex worker and you have
to have sex with fifty people a day.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
Do you think that's empowering? It's not.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Okay, That smile is not really really real, you know.
So I don't want to hear about being empowered as
a liberated sex worker and all that. I never met
one person the whole time I was in the street
of New York that felt empowered by being out there.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
Right, And even when you come here, you come here
to the casinos in Vegas and you meet a woman
working at the bar, and the woman who was tel
kidnapping a guy's garage and had gang greening and had
to cut her finger off was sitting in that bar too.
She was held prisoner. She was held a prisoner and
one of the emergency room. So it's not this victimless,

(01:50:27):
harmless fund. And then people they got out to begin
and the casinos know about it. These Backpage and Craigslist,
these big companies, they all know about it, these big websites.

Speaker 6 (01:50:37):
Well Google, you Google.

Speaker 5 (01:50:40):
Actually, I'm sorry they are. They're one of the people
that are against the amendment of the CDA Section two thirty.
I'm going downtown next week. We're going to having a
hearing on Capitol Hill again because we were making a leeway.
We were almost getting this amended so that these traffickers,
and the CEO of Backpage is a trafficker. You know,

(01:51:00):
there's we're trying to get this amended. There's actually they
have audio. It was a Washington Post article I believe
that has audio of Backpage employees schooling, educating people on
how to put their ads up there so they won't
get like taken down right, telling them what verbage to use.

Speaker 6 (01:51:19):
And you want to say that you don't know what's.

Speaker 5 (01:51:20):
Happening on your website when your own employees are telling
people what to put up in their ads.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
And Barbara Maya, we're getting down to one minute. How
can people find you and get your book?

Speaker 5 (01:51:29):
Well, they can come to my website, Barbara Amaya dot
com and my book Nobody's Girl, A Memoir of Lost Innocence,
Modern Day Slavery, and transformation.

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
Important word transformation is sold everywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
Books are sold on Amazon and my website at my
publisher's Animal Media Group and all over, and thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
No, thank you so much. And listen everything. Something that's
coming up in the future. You got some legislation you're
working on. Is something. They give me a call and
we'll put your inn on a here. Okay, no, thank
you very much, Okay, thank you, bye bye. Okay, they
had all there you got. I was gonna call her,
get doctor Barbara Maya because I had doctor Judith. Oh boy,

(01:52:17):
well another miserable show. Another uh oh boy, what a
downer man, I tell you anyway, But here you see
some I think this is the compilation of the show
of everything. There first doctor Judith Resman. You could find
a website doctor Judith Reisman dot com. A woman who

(01:52:42):
spent her whole life fighting against Kinsey. And you know,
while I'm an open minded person, I think Kensey report this,
and that's a Kinsey was a sick, perverted guy that
castrated himself and mutilated himself and hit his beanis with
a hammer. And I was doing things with little kids.
He was heynging out with Crowley. All kinds of disgusting stuff.
Here okay, right, and then well happen. It seems like

(01:53:06):
a good Halfen is hanging out with Kensey was hanging
out with Crowley. You know all this stuff, guys. You know,
it seems innocent, it seems harmless until you start looking
into it. So first we had our National Treasure Judith
Chrisman Reeseman for Maplethorpe, you know, and it didn't even
realize the depths of the depravity of that character. Okay,

(01:53:31):
and read The Ultimate Evil. Look into that stuff and
look into Maplethorpe. My god. You know, there's pictures of
him with a machine gun with a pentagram behind him
over at where Raiding's house and talking with Dr Rismond
about YouTube and this Esleigate and this content that's on

(01:53:52):
YouTube right in our faces, you know, this big cham
what's the most profitable company out there? And on Google
YouTube in THEWS companies and they're promoting this. And then
we got another guest here, Barbara Maya. Her book is
Nobody's Girl. Can you check out her story? And he

(01:54:15):
is here is a specific woman who was a victim,
not a victim survivor of this stuff, but she was
targeted as a child and her whole life and what
a different turn her life could have took. You know,
she didn't have to go through with living in the
streets of Manhattan, being kidnapped by a cop and kyled
hostage and all this kind of stuff. So how I'm

(01:54:35):
gonna be talking on the Friday Night Show For people
who don't realize, I do a live Friday Night segment
at seven pm from seven to eight pm where I
do it live, and it's just it's a monologue where
I just talk about what's gone on in the week
in my life and different reports and things I'm working on.
And this week, what I got all this stuff going

(01:54:56):
on with Trump, this gossip, with this book. I'd love
to talk about that, but what I have planned I
may talk about that, But what I have planned is
is is again. It's on this theme, on this topic
of human trafficking and child abuse and child exploitation. And
we're gonna be talking about Liz Cronkin and her BS
article she wrote there about how Trump is arresting fourteen

(01:55:16):
hundred pedophiles. And I have examined this thing backwards and forward.
It's just made up. And the theme I want to
get out to you here is that we can't just
pretend something's being done about this just to feel better, okay,
And we can't allow people to lie to us and
tell us things are being done. The other thing we're
gonna be talking about is the four thousand, ten thousand,

(01:55:38):
two thousand, two hundred sealed indictments, and we're gonna beget
into all Adam and explain it to about how PACER
works and how sealed indictments work. And by the way,
just because these are sealed court hearings and pleadings and complaints,
this is necessarily four thousand diamonds. There could be four

(01:55:58):
hundred indictments. Okay. There are one hundred indictments and four
thousand other court appearances here that are sealed. So let's
not get all carried away here, okay. And just because
there's a bunch of the sealed indictments doesn't mean that
it's related to human trafficking or child exploitation or anything.
We don't know what it is because it's sealed. It
could be something involved with immigration or gangs or drug trafficking.

(01:56:19):
We don't know what these could be able at the
Russian stuff, we don't know what these indictments sore. They
could be unrelated to each other. We don't know. We
have a new Department of Justice, a new Attorney General,
and this is always doing things when it's sealed in diamonds.
We're gonna look into that, and we're gonna be talking
about what was the other thing real quick. I'm losing
my mind. Oh about how Trump science is executive order

(01:56:40):
about civil human rights abuses. Okay, and then well this
must be he's round the ap pedophiles. There's no indication
he's runing here pedofiles with that either.

Speaker 5 (01:56:50):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
So we're going to be examining all these things in
detail patiently and looking over all these incredibly wild fish
tails of how there's right around the corner all these
arrest we are about to happen people are being round
up in pedophile rings at all. Blah blah blah blah
bla blah blah blah blah. And all it is is
talking nonsense because none of that stuff is really happening, guys.

(01:57:11):
But what we're seeing is, if anything is, things are
getting worse. Okay, And if you don't believe me, go
to YouTube and look up elsagate, Okay, and see what
you can see this stuff for your own eyes. There
is no you don't get arrested for watching this. This
isn't like, oh, I'm gonna go in the deep web
and I'm gonna get wrested for I look at something
something to be. This is stuff that's right on the
open that they're they're being promoted. Millions and millions of

(01:57:35):
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the comments section. They're getting off on it. Hey, anyway,
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(01:57:58):
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