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I am here a d How are you?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm great, man said, I'm just hearing your voice. I
feel good. It's like the the Alec Baldwin of the
Operaman Report. I wrote, I've.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Into fuck Alec Baldwin. Never never let the truth stand
in a way of a good story.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Okay, Well, maybe more like the Steve Martin has that better.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, you know, how's the private investigation thing going? Boots
on the ground of panels can.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
It's a tough game, man, you know, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know, I trying to focus on a lawsuits, you know,
putting together lawsuits, a.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Sexual batman cases really a special toys and stuff and
Jordan Prue and things like that and even Charlie Sheens soon.
So I'm trying to try to focus on that, but
you know, the stuff that comes over the trance and
just see, it's hard to turn down criminal defense cases,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, let me ask you a question about that, because
I had a question about like PI licenses, right, and
it has something to do with celebrity too. So you
had this PI in Missouri or whatever who got arrested,
like trying to serve maybe Taylor Swift or Travis Kel's
or whatever, and he was afraid that he was going
to lose his license. How easy is it to lose
your license?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh? Very easy, very easy. In Missouri, I don't think
has state licensing. At one time they that was one
of our loopholes. You could go to Missouri and get
around state licensing. They might have changed it since. But yeah,
if there's a PI board, a local PI board, if
you're not in with those guys, you're not have friends
with those guys. And most ex cops retired cops, and

(02:26):
they have like a little club. It's a tough game.
But myself, I've always been lucky because I work in
interesting cases and I got a lot of good fun
gussip to talk about. So I get along with these
guys for the most part. It's my little niche. But otherwise, Yeah,
and people make complaints into life and so the time
it's a big answer too.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah. So I was just wondering now, you know, because
he said, oh, I'll probably lose my license. I was
just like, well, gosh, I mean, how do you lose them?
If you get arrested, you lose I didn't know, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
So you can get a misdemeanor and so work your
way through it. If you have a felony, it's a
big problem also too. It's a big problem to if
you work in celebrity cases. The data broker services. If
you're searching for famous names like tell It Swift, you
get flagged right away and you have to have a
legitimate reason for using that, and then your whole account

(03:15):
can get ordered. So working on celebrity cases, they have
to know you. Again, the data broken companies aren't that big,
so mean you can get to know them too. The
same guy that's been around for the past thirty forty years,
I've been around forty five years, seventy.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, well that guy was a former cop, so I
guess that makes sense that he would, you know, get
in with that.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, ex cops and your badge is
basically your PI license. You just go right to the board,
you walk work through, and then get you in almost
every state.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
You know. Yeah, I didn't mean to derail your your.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Listen and asked me, really did what was he heard of?
All those questions? That's the stuff I hate. But we
have anti lawyer. Let's not waste any time anti lawyer.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
The last time you were here, we were talking to P. Didy.
What what do you think then, because you really opened
up my eydes about the whole P Diddy thing when
you were talking about busby and taking all these cases.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
So let's take that cibil route first. What happens with
all those civil cases?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Now, a lot of them have been tossed. I don't
know what number we're up to. I think it's in
the sixties. Probably. You can tell when you're looking at
one of these civil cases whether or not it's real, right,
So you can I just these you know, fanciful ones
like he showed up in Fresno or something like that
and Milan No where. You know, it's it's just not

(04:34):
believable at all. Uh. And you know the thing with
Buzzby is you know he's a personal injury lawyer and
he's not necessary when you when you get personal injury
when you're as big as Buzzby. So what you do
is you have people kind of feeding you cases, right,
So you know, a non lawyer is not allowed to
go to a lawyer and say, look, you know, I
got this kind of thing, I got a case for you.
But another lawyer can bring a case and you can

(04:57):
get a split of it or whatever. So you know,
he he has these chasers who go around and stuff.
And I think that some of them found some cases
passed them along to Busby and maybe they convinced Busby
that they had done their due diligence or whatever and
they didn't. So then you know, specifically like the jay
Z one that they got tossed, and then you know,

(05:18):
Busby and jay Z are going back and forth because
Busby said that jay Z was hiring people to come
and steal his clients or whatever and saying, oh, you know,
you didn't do a good job. And so it's just
this back and forth kind of war underneath the stuff.
But the civil ones, there have been ones that have
been tossed because the judge said, well, you know, the

(05:39):
statute of limitations, even though there's a look back, it's
not valid or whatever. This is the wrong state. So
he's the he's probably had four or five tossed at
this point. And I would imagine that out of the
sixty or so that I've you know, looked at and
it's been a long time since they looked at them, all,
I would say like a dozen or probably legitimate, and

(06:00):
there's somewhere. I'm just like, you just need to go
ahead and write the check, you know, you just need to, like,
if you know, it's like Mia or somebody because mea
suit or whatever that's what she was called in the thing,
just write the check, just, you know, and if you
had written the check before Cassie, you wouldn't be in
jail right now. He screwed himself because he thought that, oh,

(06:21):
I'm above this and nothing's going to happen or anything
like that. And then Cassie did file the lawsuit and
that's what got the Feds, you know, interested in him.
Is because of that they go, oh, well, we can,
we can make something work. My question that I have
right now in my head that's been floating around that
I want to do some digging on, is that because
the Fed's lost for the most part on the on
the Reco stuff, so they can't they can't get his property,

(06:45):
right they really want to. That was the whole point.
If they had got the reco stuff, then they were
going to get every single dollar that he has everything.
But because they didn't, what they want him to do
is they want him to forfeit some videos. And why
do they want him to forfeit these videos, these sex tapes?
You know? Is it just because they're trying to protect

(07:05):
Cassie as Cassie you know, the one on here, or
is it some of the the other people who testified
that they because they're only asking for certain tapes, they're
not asking for every freak off tape that ever has existed.
They're only asking for some of them. So it makes
me wonder, is there somebody on these tapes other than Cassie,
or there some other person we're protecting that's on this
Why do we only want these specific ones? That's it.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I didn't hear any I didn't know about any of
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
But I always thought that it was Jonathan Odie that
got this thing all opened up and not not true.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Wasn't the Odie, No, I mean it was it was
it was Cassie that that got them on board because
they hadn't done anything right. They they hadn't ever looked
at Sean Comes. He wasn't any kind of person on
their radar. You know, he operated for years and years
and years and years and years of decades really, and

(07:57):
then because the Cassie thing, they go, oh, oh, you
know what she's suing and look at these things that
she is suing for, and those are all kind of
you know, predicates to oh, she was coerced to do this.
Oh we have a video of a beating and stuff
like that, because she wouldn't come back to the freak
off and stuff. So that was just, oh, we've got

(08:18):
it all laid out for us. And if you look
at the actual indictment and the criminal complaint, ninety five
percent of it is abount Cassie. If you think about
the people that testified, like the stylist or whatever, another
one that he should just write a check to, you know,
so that was one. Other people that were in the

(08:39):
car and stuff like that. It was related to Cassie,
you know, with kid Cutty or whatever and the person
that you know, the assistant that he took with him
and they were in the car and then she goes, oh,
and then he went and he broke into Kid Cutty's
house and he was calling It's all related to Cassie,
all of these things, not every little last bit, but
ninety five percent of it is related to the thing

(09:00):
because she laid out in her civil complaint exactly what
they needed for a criminal complaint.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
That's what about that business with the arson that was
the kid cutting arson And the witness said, why maybe
it wasn't did was that sloppy prosecution? Or did someone
get to that witness? What do you think happened there?

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I don't think that anybody got to the witness. I
think that the problem with that particular case is that
they couldn't prove that it was Shawn Combs. I think
that they thought that they would be able to prove
that it was Shawn Combs, which is why they put
it in there. And the fact what he would have
been better off, you know, because they didn't have any evidence.

(09:40):
They I think they had maybe a fingerprint, that's what
they said. They said they had a fingerprint, but then
under cross they go, well, no, there wasn't any fingerprints.
So it made them look bad. I think that the
prosecution really overreached on some of this stuff it and
it came to be you know, did he had very
very good defense attorneys, you know, so I mean very

(10:01):
very good, and they kind of nobody could put him there,
and so they thought, oh, well we have this fingerprint testimony.
But then in cross they're like, okay, sir, where's the
fingerprints And he goes, oh, well there were any fingerprints.
You know, we didn't have any fingerprints. And so right away,
so the arson thing went out, and then the whole
coercion and the rico stuff. It didn't. It just didn't.

(10:24):
It wasn't there. And I think that the defense in
a way they did two, they did things that have
hurt them in now, but they you know, they traded
it for that is they admitted right away. Yeah he's
a violent guy. Yeah he did that. You know, he
sometimes lost his temper, he beat he apologizes, but yeah
he did that. But but you know, this is not Rico.

(10:46):
This is just a domestic violence or whatever is not Rico.
And that's basically what they were trying to do. It
was not. And the other thing that I think kind
of screwed them was that they have the bad boy guy,
the COO and he testifies and he's like, no, I
had no idea any of this was going on. And

(11:07):
he showed that the bad boy stuff, none of that
money was used, so they didn't have the actual company
paying for this stuff. And it was very interesting. Even
some of the testimony. Sean Combs would be like, I'll
personally pay you back. Oh you got you know, the
baby oil, you got the drugs or whatever, I will
personally pay you back. And the only thing that I

(11:31):
think that was kind of worked in a Rico thing
was when he threatened Cassie's parents and said, I'm going
to release this video of Cassie unless you pay me whatever,
fifty thousand dollars or something like that. If he hadn't
even done that, that's the one part of going that

(11:52):
might get you. But then he paid back the money,
I guess a couple of days later. But it was
so rare that any kind of bad boy money went
to any of this. He'd always say I will personally
pay you back, and it was over and over with
the assistance, and they would always make sure to ask
those questions, well, how did you pay for this? Well,
I just paid for it myself, and then Sean Combs

(12:13):
paid me back and it was very specific about oh no,
don't don't, don't put it with the company or whatever,
put it with me. It's kind of like he knew
what a Rico was going to be. And because that
bad boy CEO got on there said we you know,
he never did this, and we looked at the books
and the government just couldn't prove it. They couldn't prove
that it was this mafia kind of conspiracy where everybody

(12:34):
was working and that the company was doing it. They
just they couldn't get bad boy, they couldn't tie it
into there.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Well, then what do you make of them not charging separately?
For the firearms, because that's open and shut, and you
throw the guns on the table. Look, these defaced automatic weapons.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Again, they couldn't prove that they were his. Oh really, yeah,
but he And but I don't understand necessarily why, like
the state of Florida, because that's where they found them,
was the State of Florida, Why the State of Florida
wouldn't go after that with some kind of charge or
something like that. Now, I guarantee you that behind the
scenes of the government is still trying to find something,

(13:11):
and they will keep trying to find something while they
know he is locked up for the you know, for
the foreseeable future, for the next couple of years anyway.
And but I'm not one hundred percent convinced that his
sentence might not be tossed because the judge, and this
goes back to the whole violence thing. So he gets
acquitted of the serious stuff. So you only have the

(13:32):
Man Act charges, the two charges that yes, you could
spend technically up to twenty years in prison, but if
you look, you know, nobody ever does you know, it's
a couple of years, three years, and that's like the
worst of the worst pimps. So so, but what happened was,
so after he's acquitted of most of the charges, they go, well,
you're on a we'd like to have bail before sentencing
or whatever, because he's already served like twelve months or whatever.

(13:54):
I mean, how long did the sentence be. And the
judge is like, no, because he's violent. You know, you
would admitted he's violent and all of this kind of stuff.
So and he has coerus people and try to intimidate people,
so he's going to have to stay in jail. Then
we get to the sentencing and leading up to the sentencing,
where they had wanted the either a new trial just
based on the two charges that he was convicted of

(14:17):
or whatever, and the judge goes no, and again he
brings up the violence. And I was like, oh, you know,
he might go with the prosecution's recommendation here like ten
years or something, which would be way out of you know,
the sentencing guidelines. But in the Southern District of New York,
the judges i think for the last fiscal year only
did the sentencing guidelines like thirty three percent of the
time or something, So okay, well, maybe he will go

(14:40):
out of the sentencing guidelines, and then we get to
the sentencing and the judge kind of said, I'm going
to be a jury here, and even though this stuff
about the violence or whatever, he wasn't convicted him, I'm
looking at it and I'm going to take that into
account and that's why I'm going to add this and
add this, and and Combs as are like, you can't

(15:01):
be a juror we've already you know, adjudicated all this stuff.
You can't do that. So I think that is grounds
for an appeal. But again the judge with the appeals
Court's gonna say, as well, yeah, he might have acted
like that, but again he has whatever, you know, a
lot of leeway and the sentencing guidelines and he could
have just been talking out loud or whatever. But I
do think that if Seawn Combs' kids hadn't, you know,

(15:25):
testified on his behalf during them the sentencing and stuff,
that it would have been maybe higher. I think that
he looked at them and goes, you know, I really
don't want to, you know, keep him away from the
kids forever. And but you know, at the same time,
that was balanced by the prosecution bringing up the fact
that oh, well, Shawn Combs has got speaking engagements, right, Like,

(15:48):
that's some balls on that guy, right, just like, oh,
and you've got five of them lined up now, the
prosecution said for Monday, it was really actually like a
week from Monday, but still it was just when you
bring that up in court, you're just like, oh my gosh,
this guy really thinks he's getting out, you know, to
have all this stuff lined up. And it took a

(16:10):
while for the defense to address it, and when they
finally did, they said something to the effect of, well,
we needed to do that because we need to keep
him busy so that way he doesn't get dragged back
down into something.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Johanna, we had these Disneyland tickets? Oh no, what about
how come he was never charged with any kind of
drug trafficking because they did arrest an assistant and they
charged him with drugs?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Well what happened with that?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay, so the assistant. But this is an interesting thing too,
is that the assistant was introduced to Sean Combs by
I think Christian Combs, by Shawn Combs's son, and because
they were of a similar agents as the guy who
played basketball at Syracuse. Then to the bench guy. But
still division won basketball, and they originally were going to

(16:57):
charge him with they did charge him a ridge only
with like trafficking intent to sell kind of thing, but
then they just made it possession and and it just
went away. He cauld get the record expunge and stuff.
I mean, that's how minor they made it. So I
was thinking to myself, Okay, well this guy, because he
got that sweetheart deal, he's going to just testify against
Sean Combs and say, oh my gosh, he had me,

(17:20):
you know, bringing drugs everywhere and doing all this kind
and they just didn't do that. They just they didn't.
It's just I feel I don't know if the prosecution
dropped the ball on purpose. I don't know if they
fumbled it on purpose, but they certainly I think there
were a lot of things that they could do. There's
one person who wrote a statement in supporter of Shawn Combs,

(17:41):
his you know, current girlfriend, and and that was one
of the people that was going to testify for the prosecution,
and the prosecution were like, we can't find her, and
her attorney's not getting back to us. I'm thinking, you're
the federal government, you know, you have us Marshalls, go
find the person, right. They they didn't want her. They

(18:03):
didn't even try to to get her. They're just I
remember like it was probably like four weeks or five
weeks before as one of the final pre trial kind
of things, and they're like, yeah, we can't find her,
and her attorney is not really getting back to us.
And I'm thinking to myself, Okay, you are the federal government.
Go to the I don't know if it was a
New York lawyer, go to the New York bar and
you say, this is the FBI, this is the you know,

(18:25):
the Southern District of New York. You know, a US attorney,
and this guy's not a king back put some pressure
and like you said, with the license and stuff, you
know that's not something you want. So I guarantee you
if if the license at the bar in New York
said you need to return this call, the dude would
have returned the call. But they they didn't, and they
didn't go after this person. All of a sudden, she

(18:46):
shows up with with the letter in court saying, oh,
you know, I think he's a great person. He's a
great dad and all this kind of stuff. And this
was a person that the prosecution had counted on testifying
against him and using an alias.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
So she was on the prosecution witness list.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, she was gonna be victim number four. It's been
a long time since I looked at it. Gina Wynn
is her name, I think, And this is somebody that
was sleeping with Sean Colmes. And but she said, you know,
he's a great dad, he's a great person and all.
But that's what she said. And she goes, I was
going to testify or whatever, but I didn't. But I'm

(19:25):
just like, Okay, why didn't you Why didn't the prosecution
really go after you? Because every single person that they
could add on to the thing would seem to be
a good thing. I think. Also one of the I
think it was Mia probably, but one of the people
that testified, the defense accused her of lying while she

(19:47):
was on the stand, and they kept doing even after,
and they're like, you can't, you know, listen to this
person's testimony. She lied, She lied, she lied, And the
judge was very angry at the defense for that and said,
you know, you're a tree, this person disrespectfully. The judge
was very much on the side of the prosecution and
of what the victims which you know, you want a

(20:08):
judge to be, but it kind of sometimes felt really
heavy handed because he didn't really disguise what he was doing.
And I think that he was very moved by what Cassie,
you know, her testimony and stuff and the other victims,
and I just it should have been I don't think
it was a slam dunk. I never thought it was
a slam dunk. I said from the beginning that I
don't think that the prosecution was ever going to be

(20:30):
able to prove their their rico case. And as the
trial was like because I covered it every single day,
so by day seven or day eight, it was like, okay,
you know, you guys, you guys aren't proving it. They
proved the Man Act stuff probably day one, but that
wasn't gonna, you know, get them anywhere now.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
And back to revisiting the arsen on the vehicle there, Now,
can't that be used in the appeal of it.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
That's like a reversible error, right.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Because they brought in this prejudicial information and then they
dropped charges.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
The jury got it. Yeah, so the thing is about that.
So yeah, so that that's still part of their appeal, right,
but they had they held off on the appeal while
they were waiting for the judge to determine whether or
not they were just going to toss the case or
if they would just be retried on something. So they
had to wait for that. And so, yes, there is
an appeal on it, but honestly, by the time the

(21:24):
appeals court hears it, it's probably and makes a ruling,
it's going to be I don't know, a year and
a half or something like that. So it's not really
going to shorten the amount of time that he spends in.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Jail, but he's not going to spend the full time there, right,
He's going to have to one. They're gonna have to
make an adjustment to the sentence, right because he has
so many grounds for appeal.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, so here's here's so he got fifty months, he
served thirteen, so now we're down to thirty seven. And
then the judge has indicated that, okay, he can do
the rehab thing. If he won and you get a year,
you take all these treatment classes or whatever, and you
get a year knocked off your sentence, but it takes
a year to do it essentially. So but so then

(22:10):
if you take you if you're down to thirty seven
and then minus the thirteen, I mean, minus another year,
then you're down to like twenty five twenty six. But
he's spent another year, so I think probably in one
year he will get out, but to a halfway house
or to some kind of home confinement.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
What a mess, what a yess it is.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
And home confinement, by the way, with the FEDS is
one of the worst things that you could ever experience.
It is not It is not like being at home
with the state and you tell the state or your
probation you know, you know, I gotta go do this,
I gotta go look for Okay, fine, whatever, you know,
I'm marking it down. With the FEDS, you have to
every single month, like ahead of time, list exactly where

(22:54):
you were going to be every second of that month,
Like okay, you're allowed one hour a week to go
grocery shopping. You're allowed one hour a day or every
other day to go do physical exercise. And then the
other thing is if you live it's not so difficult
if you're in Miami, but if you're in say, I
don't know, Nebraska, you might have to drive three hours

(23:16):
to find somebody that's been approved by the Feds for
you to check in with and you have to do
that a couple of times a week and like go
physically check in, get the drug test and all that
kind of stuff, and it is just a nightmare. There
was a one woman who had her sentence commuted I
think probably six months early. This was when Biden left,

(23:38):
and I had been following her on TikTok and she
was just like she just was listing everything that she
had to do, and if you were five minutes late
or whatever getting back, it was just a nightmare. And
so I kind of wanted to wish that on Sean
Combs because there's no way that he would ever ever
be able to follow everything that you have to do,
and then he end up back in jail because it's

(24:00):
it's so difficult to do.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, Reality Winner who had that problem with the intercepting.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, that brilliant move there, you know, it just drops
off this disc in a mail box in front of her.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Jim. I've gotten to know her family and that they're
very sweet people.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
But yeah, you're right, man, she has to go take
a p test I think twice a week, man, you know,
and she has no drug.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Charges against her whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
She's vegan and she has although something shows up on
there and so they make it take a p test
twice a week.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
You know, And I think that's her life. I think
she has to do that for the rest of her life.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
At least while you're under some kind of supervision and stuff.
And I would I would much rather, and I would
much rather be in some kind of you know, prison
camp for a year than to do home confinement for
a year. Probably. I mean, at least you can make
some money, I guess, if you know, but that you
couldn't do if you were in prison camp. But I

(24:58):
think that the time would just go way faster and
be much more easy on you if you're just in
a prison camp rather than the home confinement. It sounds lovely,
you know, Oh, I'm just gonna be at home or whatever.
And it is if it's like a state charge, but
not with the Feds, not with the Feds at all.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, that's so true. In a campus, somebody you can
just sleep, you can just eat your cut every day. Man,
just sleep the day away and just sip a year
can get through it.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, And also you're just talking to people and stuff
and everything like that rather than you know, with Sean Combs,
if they go, well, you know what, we can't have
you in this kind of situation. We can't have you
interacting with the general population. So you're gonna have to
sit by yourself in a cell. You know, it's not
a punishment, We're just doing it for the protection of
you or whatever. So then you have to spend your

(25:43):
your whole year just sitting in a cell by yourself.
You know, that's that's that's not good at all. So
I think that you know, he's hoping for Fort Dix,
which is basically a camp, and he's not. He's not
gonna get that. I don't think what.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Do you make of speaking of a cushy prisons, what
do you make of a Gelian Maxwelven that transfer that
she's not qualified for.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
She's not qualified for it at all. You know where
she's at. I think she's got the fourth longest sentence there.
I think it's the fourth. It might be the sixth.
But so these camps, it's either like at Elizabeth Holmes,
right or Jenshaw from Real Housewives, she's there. So it's
it's white collar crime and it's generally low sentence white

(26:31):
color crime. Five years, four years, that kind of thing.
No violence, definitely, no sex offenders or anything like that.
You can get a waiver, but it's extremely difficult to
get that kind of waiver. And it's people that also
have maybe a twenty year sentence and they serve fifteen years,
so they don't really have an incentive to try and escape.
They've already served the vast majority of their sentence. So

(26:54):
those are the kind of people that are there. And
like I said, Gaillen either has the fourth or sixth
longest sentence out of these many hundreds of people that
are there. So she somehow gets this waiver about being
a sex offender where and then gets to come to
this camp and obviously she is being protected, she's being coddled.
And it's I'm not even talking about the the BS

(27:15):
interview that you know that the government did with her
in the transcript, and they didn't follow You know, that
lawyer discredited himself so much because every lawyer looking at
that transcript goes, this is the worst deposition I've ever
seen in my entire life. There's no follow up questions,
there's no pushback, there's no nothing. We're just gonna let
her tell her story with not ever any kind of

(27:36):
clarification whatsoever. She's gonna say very good things about, you know,
everybody we want her to say good things about, and
we're just gonna let it be. And then there was
this one inmate who was like, I don't want her here.
You know, it's it's causing a lot of problems. It's
causing a lot of druma. And that person gets moved
from a camp and has to go to like a
medium security prison because they push back. Then there's this

(27:58):
story the Wall Street Journal reporting this week that back
in August, I want to say that everybody was confined
to their cells while Gilaine met with somebody, Like everybody
had to be in their cell. And she goes and
meets with somebody for like an hour and then comes
back and she's super happy. Oh yeah, And that's what

(28:21):
the Wall Street Journal reported. And somebody asked, oh, well,
how did the meeting go? And she goes, it was
great and she smiled. So, but why did everybody have
to be confined to their cells or whatever so she
can have this meeting? It was And since she's been there,
they've had more U searches and stuff because they're looking
for cell phones and all that kind of stuff because

(28:42):
they're afraid that somebody is going to, you know, say
stuff about her or take photos of her and try
and sell them. So then it makes everybody hate her
more because you know, obviously people smuggle in cell phones
and everything, right, and.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh, come on, bo, that's all right, But what do
you call it?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
But do we know who she was meeting with?

Speaker 1 (29:06):
No, nobody knows. Nobody knows. The Wall Street Journal doesn't
even know. They just know that she had a meeting
in August, and that they shut down the entire camp
and made everybody be confined to their selves for I
think it was an hour, maybe it was two hours
while she had this meeting.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Speaking of the safety of inmates, Ian Watkins couldn't meet
a nicer guy.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I couldn't get a better ending to his life.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
He just got killed in prison and it charged against
him like raping infants, man common video and this stuff.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
So, uh, everyone got a hold of me.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Right away, says empty lawyers got this whole story about
Peaches Geldof and all this stuff, that there's a whole
crew around that group that's going on there.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, So I mean one of the things that the
Peaches did. It was not that long before she passed,
was she went and she tweeted out the names of
the women that helped Ian Watkins do these things? Really
these moms. Yeah, So she goes on Twitter and it

(30:11):
was November of twenty thirteen, and she's like, the names
are this and this and this and this, and then
she's like and then she was really upset because the
women had been already released from prison so they could
take care of their kids, and so she was really,

(30:33):
really really upset about that, and she said things like,
just how far the cult of celebrity and superfandom has
come when grown women are passing their own kids around,
which is what happened. And so she was naming these
women so what Ian Watkins had done, and specifically I
think the charges that got them. They called a woman
A and woman B. And the reason that their names

(30:54):
had not been identified publicly or publicly released is because
Dan it would let everybody know who their kids were
who were the victims, right, But Peaches is like, no,
people need to know that these women are predators and
they're offering up their kids. And so she wanted to
say the names of these these women, and because what

(31:18):
Ian Watkins had done was he had all of these fans,
all these super fans, and as the judge said in
the sentencing, you know, you've basically corrupted your fandom for
your own personal kind of you know, sick pleasures. And
so he would convince these women, and these were young mothers,
I mean young maybe like seventeen eighteen years old, and

(31:38):
he's like, Hey, what I want you to do is
I want you to film yourself abusing your child, you know,
and send it to me and then or bring the
child here and you know, we'll do something with the child.
And so Peaches was rightfully upset. And one of the
reasons that she was upset about this specific is because

(32:02):
Ian Watkins and Bob Geldoff, her dad had a relationship, right,
And I think that she thought that, you know, at
this time, it's like it came out of nowhere with beaches,
that maybe she found out that dad had you know,
Michael Hutchins killed, that maybe the dad set up her mom,

(32:27):
you know, to to be ridiculed forever, and that you know,
all of this happened. And then she finds out that hey,
Bob and Ian Watkins and Jimmy Saville, our friends at
the you know this top of the Park music venue.
They would all hook up there like and hang out
and stuff. And I think that that's what it was,

(32:50):
and that Michael Hutchins was going to spill the beans
unless Bob Geldoff dropped this custody battle. And don't forget that, right,
I think it was Michael Hutchins talked to Bob Geldoff
on the phone from Australia. I think it was five
thirty in the morning, but I can't remember off the
top of my head. It was five thirty in the
morning of the day he died, or five thirty in
the morning the day earlier, but I think it was

(33:12):
the morning of. And there was two phone calls and
they were really short. Well, why is Michael Hutchins calling
Bob Geldoff and why does he end up dead within
a few hours of you know, talking to Bob Geldoff.
And there's a lot of questions about Michael Hutchins's death,
I mean a lot. But also this was a nasty
custody battle, and I think people forget about how nasty

(33:34):
it was and that Paully Yates had never had any
kind of stuff against her at all, nothing, and all
of a sudden, you know, this custody battle starts, and oh,
we found heroin under her bed, or we found heroin
in this, and we found heroin in that. So we
can't have her with the children. So Bob's going to

(33:56):
keep the children. And so in the end result is
his campaign against Paula Yates is that Bob Geldoff got
what he wants. He was the only one to gain
from it. You know, did he have the influence to
make that all happen? No, but you know, there are
it's alleged that he is, you know, a freemason and stuff,

(34:17):
and that he knew people that could you know, take
care of what he needed takeing care of whether or
not that's just setting up Paula Yates, whether it's you know,
going after Michael Hutchinson some kind of way, you know,
whether they kill him or whatever. I mean, it's but
I think at some point in twenty thirteen he just
found out about this just instantly. This was not like

(34:41):
there had been nothing from Peaches about this at all, nothing,
And just out of the blue, she goes ten tweets
in a row about this and just how upset she was,
and I think that she found out something I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Okay, let's slow it out a bit because a lot
of these names are new to me. Michael Hutchins, I'm
really not sure he has. Polly Ah, she's that presenter,
the BBC presenter that was killed when she was investigating.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Is that the one?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
No? Okay, So what we have here because Michael Hutchins
was the lead singer of In Excess. Okay, an Australian
band and very very popular, you know, a list everybody
in the world knew who Michael Hutchins was.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Okay, but go ahead, this.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Was forty years ago. In Excess was you know, an
eighties kind of.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Banded I remember In Excess.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, well he's the lead singer. He's the lead singer.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
I was a big fan.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, yeah, So Michael Hutchins was the lead singer. And
so at then Paully Yates it was, you know, a
model and stuff like that, and she was married to
Bob Geldoff and they and Bob Geldoff is the guy
who did We Are the World and all that kind
of stuff that.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Mondays, which is a creepy thing to begin with man
what there was way ahead of his whole school shooting business.
That the video of that thing is creepiest. Hell Finnigan
switch inside your.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Head, you know what it gets. But you know, and
who is this guy anyway to be running this big
giant We Are the World? This is a no move
from one song.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Well it wasn't even that. I mean, like nobody knew
who the boomtown rats were, right other than you know,
people in England really and so, but all of a
sudden he's in, he puts together this we Are the
World thing, and then there's always been questions about the
money and where did the money go? And how many
you know, you know did it you know, is it gone?
And we don't know where it is. And we're talking
tens upon tens upon tens and millions of dollars because

(36:34):
it wasn't just you know, from from the band Aid song,
you know, do they know it's Christmas? But then also
you know, he sets up the whole you know, the
Live Aid thing, right, and then all those donations and
contributions and stuff like that, and where has all this
money gone? So Bob Geldoff is into some some shady
things on his own. So Bob Geldoff and Pauli Yates
had kids together, and one of those kids is Peaches Geldoff. Okay,

(36:58):
so that's where she comes from. Peaches herself basically just
think of like a NEPO baby who got involved in
drugs in a very young age. But a lot of
that was because, you know, her mother ended up dead
because of a drug overdose. And it's just like so
Peaches was kind of you know and shuttled between parents,

(37:20):
didn't really like Bob Geldoff that much, and really Peach's
just got up. She would join cults and then yeah,
she was a follow crowdy, right, she did that. She
was in scientology for a little while. I mean, she
just didn't have a place to be. And then you know,
she ended up marrying this guy and had a baby,
but then was getting back on heroin and stuff, and

(37:41):
so it was just but her life was messed up.
But I think that she, you know, traced it back
to Bob Geldoff and screwing over her mom and this
huge child custody thing. And when Paula Yates gets with
Michael Hutchins, Michael Hutchins is in Australia and obviously, see
Bob Geldoff's in England and Polly Yates was there and

(38:02):
she goes, I'd really like to bring the kids over
to Australia for a couple of months, and Bob Geldof's like, no,
and that's not going to happen because you might not
bring them back, and then he'd have to fight through
the courts to get them back, and those cases take
months and even years, and even after winning the fight
to bring them back to Britain, he'd still have to
fight to keep custody. And at that point of fight,

(38:24):
in which the mother would have the advantage because by
that time, the children would have spent a considerable period
of time with mom without him having access to them.
So what do we do? What do we do about that?
Let's make her look bad, right, because what happens is
when Michael Hutchins is gone. First of all, that's all
the money that was being paid, So that not only

(38:45):
keeps the children's Bob Geldoff, but it also cripples Paullyate's
ability to gain custody because now she's single mom and
deemed less suitable as custodians of the children than a man,
and a woman together. Then her judgments also brought into
question because she'd planned to marry a man that appeared
to have been mentally unstated, bullet drunken, a drug addict. Furthermore,
she's little will to fight because she struck with grief
over the death of the man she loved, and this

(39:07):
coming so soon after being told that the man she
thought was her father was not her father, because that
was released by Bob Geldoff. He like went to the
press because he knew this little secret that this person
that she always grew up with that she thought was
her dad wasn't her dad. She didn't know. It all
happened all at the same time, and so that's it

(39:28):
was just like this this campaign and by Bob Geldolf
to basically destroy as many people as he could to
keep custody of the.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Kids and in fins that they're all dead and killed off.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Is alive, Yes, they're all dead. Peaches is dead, Paul
is dead, Michael's dead, every everybody involved, and and we
don't have enough time to really go over everything. But
Michael Hutchins with like in excess or whatever. Yeah, one
of the things is that it's sketchy. You know, we

(40:02):
always do this when people die, whether it's like Kurt
Cobain or something like that, or you know, Chris Cornell
or Chester Bennington or whatever. We all look into it
and most of the time there's not a lot. Chris Cornell,
there is a lot. Chester, there's you know stuff, and
Kurt there's a lot of questions. With Michael Hutchins, there's
a lot more questions because the people there were people

(40:22):
that had sex with him or whatever. The night or
the day before he died, he was found naked. There
was these comments in one corner said that there was
a broken hand and there was lacerations and stuff which
wouldn't have happened if he was just naked and hanging himself.
And everyone's like, well, how was he Why was he naked?
And the police didn't really want to investigate it. And

(40:43):
then after he died and we're looking at the estate,
well we found out the estate was all mobbed up,
completely mobbed up. There was fronts for the mafia and
stuff that had been purchases made. You know, I don't
know if it's by Michael Hutchins, but through some of
the companies he owned, including like this bowling alley and
this Bowling Alley was the biggest mafia cover. And so

(41:07):
you're thinking yourself, Okay, well maybe it was the mafia
that killed Michael Hutchins, but nobody believes. I don't think
that he committed suicide. Nobody does. Nobody can figure out
who killed him. Was it like these Freemasons? Was it
Bob Geldolf kind of situation? Was it the mafia because
he was going to talk about they couldn't trust him

(41:27):
because he was a drug addict and stuff. But nobody
believes that he killed himself. The question has always just
been who killed him?

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Incredible, by the way, and you say you can't tell everything.
It takes swump explain everything here. You have a whole
report on this on Pachet.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah. Yeah, there's like a five part series about Peaches
Geldof and but one of the things about it is
that and so I I do go into it, but
it takes like hours to take you through every last thing.
But there's there's these people like Kim Wilson and she
came over to the US to be an actress and everything,

(42:11):
but she had had sex with Michael Hutchins the night
before he died. And one of her I think her
boyfriend or whatever was waiting for her to finish having sex,
and then a few hours later, you know, he's dead.
And then the whole Bowling Alley mafia thing is just
it's absolutely crazy. There's this guy named Colin Diamond and

(42:32):
he was the account the tax lawyer for Michael Hutchins.
And what happened was there's another daughter of Bob Geldolff
and Paula and her name is Tiger Lily, and she
was due to receive a share of you know, this
money and stuff, and it was going to be ten
million to like fifty million dollars or something. And this

(42:53):
Tiger is Michael Hutchins kid and everything, and so this
huge fortune. But Michael's tax lawyer, Holland Diamond said, oh no,
he died penniless. He absolutely died penniless. And everybody's like, well, no,
that's that didn't happen or whatever. And because of that,
and then Tiger Lily starts going, Okay, here we go.

(43:17):
See Tiger Lily is a different because mom's Polly Yates
but dad is Michael Hutchins. So it's just it's very
very interesting and just the Australian mafia if you I
don't know if you've looked into it, but you know
they they would supply everybody with cocaine and pot. They

(43:38):
had these connections to to the CIA because of the
fact that they had access to like Asian markets and
stuff like that, that it was really difficult for you know,
the CIA to penetrate and stuff. And also Michael Hutchins
he didn't leave a suicide note, which is interesting. The
night before his body was found, he had dinner with
his dad and his stepmother at this Indian restaurant and

(43:58):
every dad said, oh, he was great. His daughter was
to be Chris and soon how come he you know,
abandoned her without a without a note or anything like that.
And there's just all of these questions then happened, and
and Michael Hutchins even said, you know, look, there's I
make a lot of money for people. I make a

(44:20):
lot of money and I don't even know what I have.
Michael Hutchins was a political activist. He you know, had
ticked off people in some some Asian countries and stuff
like that. And again this Bowling Alley in the mafia,
and you just kind of got to look into and
you really got to take the time and you know,
if you ever want me back, we can spend a

(44:40):
whole hour talking about that.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Because of death and man of.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Us, well, they said it was just that he had
strangled himself and killed himself like that, and and so
he was naked, and so Paula always said, oh, you know,
I think it was just you know, erotic association that
went wrong, U and it just I don't know, it
was just kind of nobody believes that he committed suicide. Okay,

(45:09):
like I said, you can you either are going by
the autoerotic asphyxiation. That could be one theory, okay, but
that's not suicide. But there's so many people that wanted
him dead that benefited with him being dead, and that's
kind of I don't know. The Australian Police, everybody feels

(45:32):
like it was a cover up because they were covering
up for the mob. But I do know that you know,
Peaches thought it had something to do with the whole divorce,
and I think she blamed Bob Geldoff one way or
the other, whether he hired somebody or whether you know,
somebody just did something to Michael Hutchins or whatever it
wanted it done. I think she blamed Bob Geldoff for it,

(45:56):
but other people have blamed the mafia.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
What was the cause of death, Peach? What was her
course of death? That was a suicide?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Drug and drug overdose?

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Drug overdose, yeah, heroin and Paulie Yates, what was it
the cause of her death?

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I'm drug overdose, drug overdose, Yeah, a lot of that.
I mean, the Peaches one is I don't I mean,
I don't think there's anything suspicious about Peaches's death. This
is a person who's on and off drugs, and you know,
you get off drugs for a few weeks and all
of a sudden, you go back and you take heroin
at the same amount you were taking it when you're
and then you know, bad things happen or whatever. So

(46:31):
I mean, I'm Peaches Geldolf has always been one of
my I don't know, she wasn't even that big of
a celebrity really, but just I always enjoyed talking about her,
just because she did so many outrageous things, and you know,
I kind of put her in the same league as
like Britney Murphy. When I talk about Brittany Murphy, it's

(46:54):
just that same kind of God. There's a lot of
questions in all of this kind of stuff, and you know,
there's a lot of people that came into contact, you know,
and it just doesn't make a lot of sense why
this person ended up dead and you know, why was
she hanging out with you know, Muhammad al Fayed, you know,
and stuff like that, and then she ends up dead.

(47:15):
Just you know that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
And how he's the one the.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Fire Harris, right, yeah, Doughy Hadad and brother in law. Yeah, yeah,
exactly a mix. Yeah, well Brittany Murphy not Peaches but yeah, yeah,
not Peaches. But but so we have these mysterious deaths
or whatever, and then how come there's always these certain
people that are always there.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
That woman Chloe Savini and also the other one was uh,
Paris Hilton. They were hanging out with too as well. Yes, yeah,
and you look at those pictures of them. They show
up at this party and then a couple of hours
later they were clearly is something you know, they'd caused
them to have their nodding off.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
You know what this?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
People say, Yeah, what do you make? I ask any
questions for you man, what do you make in Paris? Hilton,
not Paris, but Paris Jackson. Paris Jackson, Michael Jackson's daughter.
She seems to be out there. Have you looked into her?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, I mean, to me, Paris Jackson is again somebody
who's been troubled with drugs and stuff and and just
her childhood and everything. And there was this whole battle
between her and her aunt, Janet Jackson, and where you know,
Janet was trying to to get money and stuff and

(48:43):
nobody really understood it. And there was this big struggle
over money and that Janet was trying to take it
maybe from Paris and her siblings, and so there's always
been this this huge fight. Paris Jackson was forced to
live in a situation where I think I can't prove,
but I think that she was you know, sexually assaulted

(49:06):
molested by one of her cousins. I think it wouldn't
have been an uncle, but by one of her cousins
who was living in the house. It was a very
un friendly kind of place to live because she was
living with her grandmother, Katherine Jackson, who's you know, was
already old and yeah, and I think there was a
lot of people that were in and out, and I

(49:26):
think that they were taking advantage of Paris, which led
her to do drugs and stuff. She seems clean now.
I think that there was a lot of time where
she wasn't. There's a lot of people that take advantage
of her, you know, and her money and stuff like that.
And she's the only one really of the three kids

(49:47):
of Michael Jackson that seemed to be out in public
right like blanket and prints or whatever. They they don't
you know, show up at all. And one of the
interesting things is that Michael Jackson and named Paris Paris
because he and Kathy Hilton had agreed that they would
each name a kid Paris.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Oh really, I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
But that's why there's a Paris Hilton. And that's why
there's a Paris Jackson.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
That's interesting because she's friends with Elliot Mints. She's very
close with Elliot Mince who was at one time was
a Paris Hilton's an agent too as well or manager
whatever he calls himself, and he was a spokesperson.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, and he you know he I felt bad for
Elliot Mints because he came in at the time basically
like Paris exposed was it came out and all that
kind of stuff, and he's like, yes, you know, she
regrets saying because Paris had been caught on tape saying
the N word like one hundred times, right, and you
know that the val and Valtrex prescriptions and all that

(50:46):
kind of stuff, and so Elliott's job is just like,
oh my god, you know, I can't say no or
anything like this. And then there was a photo of
Elliott like and they because there were so many paparazzi
at that time, and they caught him with with a
val Trex prescription, like I guess he was probably bringing
it to Paris's house. Yeah, And it just I felt

(51:06):
bad for her, for Elliott, and and one of the
things I just covered was I had done I'm doing this,
you know, ridiculous like deep dive on Paris Hilton. I'm
to like part twenty or something. But one of the
times she had to give a deposition in this case
where she was accused of making up stuff and getting
it published in this woman's suit her for defamation. And

(51:29):
this deposition Paris Hilton is a idiot, Yeah, I know,
like she likes to pretend that she's that she's that
the idiot thing is just kind of like for cover
or whatever. But when you read this deposition, you're just like,
oh my gosh, this person, you know, this is somebody. Now.
Granted I think that she worked hard, but you know

(51:50):
she had to work hard because she when the sex
tape came out, then then Baron Granddaddy or whatever, it
was like, you're not getting any of the money. I'm
just gonna give it away now because you've embarrassed me, right,
because everybody was going to get money until Paris had
the sex tape, and then they couldn't, so then everybody
had to go work for a living. So it's just

(52:10):
it's the Hilton. You know, if if nobody's ever read
this book House of Hilton by Derry Oppenheimer or whatever,
you need to go read it. It just it only
goes up to two thousand and six. It doesn't really
even have that much of Paris Hilton, but just the
House of Hilton and talking about Kathy and her mom
and Kyle and Kim and how you know, Kathy Hilton's

(52:31):
mom would pimp them out and you know, to men
and stuff. And then she tried to set Kim Richards up.
She tried to marry off Kim Richards to Donald Trump.
And but you know, and Trump was a big fan
of the Hiltons, which is why he's got a Baron Hilton,
you know, Baron Trump, because he was friends with that.
But then, okay, if you want to really get into

(52:53):
the Rick Hilton thing, you got to go with Virginia Giffrey,
who you know. She said that the hotel person that
you know had sex with her when she was like
seventeen or whatever was Rick Hilton.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Oh really, I didn't I didn't catch out really.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah. So and she she talked about it and in
her memoir or whatever, the one that was part of
the court record, and she talks about Rick Hilton and
how he was like, oh my gosh, you remind me
of my daughters and all of this kind of stuff,
and and how Virginny was just trying to get the
deed done really really quick so she could go away.

(53:28):
This was the same night, as I want to say,
it's the same night as the the Pimp and Hooker
party or whatever in England or whatever with with Prince
Andrew and the Heidi komb party and stuff. I think
it was that same night and ge Laine and Jeffrey

(53:51):
Epstein had told her to take care of Rick Hilton
really well, because I think that they wanted because ge
Laine had tried to hit on Paris several times. I
think that she really was trying to get Paris to sleep,
you know, with Jeffrey Epstein or whatever, and so then
I think that they thought, Okay, well maybe we can
go through the dad here and then get some some

(54:12):
stuff on him. And so yeah, so Virginia goes into
great detail about her sexual experience with with Rick Kilton fast.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
I had never heard that stuff before. Fascinating stuff. I'm
telling you, man, you gotta come back more often. Man,
it's the problem. I know, Yeah, it's definitely you know,
I don't you can't rely on me, man. I got
the worst memory.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
In the world through life here, you know, we see
the thing is you're you're very busy. You got a
lot of people. You got a rotation. You know, you
got a rotation. I like, this is like, this is
this is at Oppermant tweet who should I have on
my show this week? It's like that's but that's you,
that's ever That's a tweet, Like where's every couple.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
I'm gonna write now, I'm.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Gonna schedule you between Alec Baldwin and Steve Martin every
every month. There we go.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Hey, Auntie Lawyer, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Man. Check out his patreon, the Anti Lawyer Patreon, and
then on YouTube it's Crazy Days and Crazy Nights podcast,
great stuff always from Anti Lawyer. And also so you
can find him on Twitter. There he's always tweeting something
and he's reading my tweets. After that, Hey, listen, Auntie Lawyer.
Thank you so much, sir.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Hey appreciate it. Thank you so much, Thank you.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Good night,