Guests : William Ramsey - Smily Face Killers, Seth Rich, Pizzagate

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for the members section. Okay, we are joined by William Ramsey. Okay,
it's probably been on the show about five times, the
great William Ramsey. Okay, if you've been on three times,
you've become the great guest. Okay, because I don't have
him back if they suck. William, by the way, too,
has a show on Awake Radio and on People's Incident
Read a couple of stations. Who else carries them? PSN

(01:43):
Carrism on Saturday evenings in a couple of hours, it
goes on. He goes on at seven o'clock. He goes on,
so check it out. He always has good content. And
he's been doing a series of shows about the smiley
Faced Killer, which is a topic that's always a fascinated me,
especially ever since I had the Jim Rothstein on the

(02:04):
show and he came up with his theory. So William,
are you there?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'm here, ed. Thanks for having me back on the show.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's great man, you know, I love you, man, Williams
the great guys. It helps him produce the show. He
helps book guests and stuff like that. He just dug
up the lawyer for the mom of the boys on
the tracks, those boys that got killed in Mina, Linda
Potts Linda Ives, right, Yeah, what's going on with that?
Do we have them booked?

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, So we're gonna you'll be recording with Robert I
think it's Robert Lewis, Robert Davis, David Lewis, that's the
attorney's name out of Arkansas. You'll be recording with him
next week, so our listeners can look for that show
either next weekend or the weekend after.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, great, And we also got ted Rubinstein is helping
us because he's friends with the mother ms Ives, so
we're trying to get her too, So we can combine
us two shows together and we'll put them back to back,
have a little special Mina Arkansas Clinton death count there. So,
why did you remind the audience of who you are
on about your books and stuff?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, William Ramsey, I've read in three or four books. Well,
for really, my first book was Profit of Evil Alister
Crowley nine to eleven in the New World Order. Then
I wrote Abomination, Double Worship and Deception the West, Memphis
Three Murders, and then I recently last year published it
was Children of the Beast Alista Crouley, Shadow Over Humanity.
It's kind of a list of all the people that

(03:24):
Curley influenced. I also did an e book called Alistair Crowley,
a Visual Study, which was kind of like an interesting exercise.
So that would be my fourth book. And then I'm
also working right now. I am working on a documentary
about the Smiley Faced Killers. I became interested in the topic, actually,

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not from an actual case that cropped up. I was
interested because I was studying David Bowie for my book,
and in his last video, or one of the last
songs for his album Blackstar, in the film Blacks. In
the video Black Star, there's a representation of Major Tom
on like a lunar landscape, and he had a smiley
face exactly in the same spot that the character the

(04:08):
comedian had in Alan Moore's The Watchmen comic book series.
And that's really was that to me was like a
big kind of like a sign that something was going on.
So that's really how I got started studying the Smiley
Face Killers in depth was last year. But you know,
I kind of followed the story from the beginning, but
never really did as much of a study. So my

(04:30):
documentary is almost done. I probably have one week or
two weeks max left. I'm doing the final edits now.
It's over three hours. It's very detailed. I cover many
many cases, thirty to forty cases at least, and so
if the audience's interest to look for that. I have
some conclusions that are very unique that there's been other
people that have studied the Smiley Face Killers. There were

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there were really the originals were three guys, one guy.
There were two cops, Duarte and Gannon out of New York,
and then a professor. His name was professor Gilbertson. I
think it was from Ohio, and so those were the
original students of the spank fased Killers.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Now, have you had a chance to interview d'Arte and Gannon.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's a great question. I've actually actively tried to reach
out to them. I've called to Gilbertson a number of times,
but I haven't got anything back. I know people who
are friends with them, and you know, it seems like
they are going their own path. So I did have
the luck of meeting somebody who was also studying the

(05:34):
cases before I name. His name is Jim Smith. He
runs a couple of sites on Facebook under Jim Smith
It's Smiley Face Killers America, and then on Twitter too,
So he's really been actively following the cases and he's
been a great help to me in kind of following
cases that other people haven't seen. He has a very
kind of broad, kind of factual basis of so many cases.

(05:58):
So I've been lucky to he knows. So he knows
the original researchers, I'll just put it that way. So
I've had a lot of help from him.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, because I've tried to reach out to Gannon too,
because he's a private investigator, right, correct, So he tried
to reach out to him in and no response either.
Now what about there?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
I'm sorry, Well, I know that he's still involved in
these cases. That's all I can.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Say, right, Okay, And now what about these similar type cases? Well,
what did you describe? What is the theory of the
Smiley Face Killers? What is it?

Speaker 3 (06:31):
So what it happened? What had happened is these guys
and Christy Peel, who is another journalist. They noticed that
these young men were disappearing, typically at night, and being
disappearing for a period of time and then showing up
in water. And when people really researched these cases, and
it was happening in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, New York, kind

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of northeastern kind of states was the kind of the
original cases that were found. But in some of those
cases they noticed that there was graffiti not where the
bodies were found, but possibly upriver where the bodies went
in the water, and that graffiti was a smiley face.
And thus these kind of series of cases got that
kind of moniker, the smiley faced killers, which was this

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pattern cases and other people have noticed it over the years.
There's kind of active boards on web sleuths and some
of these other websites where they're following these cases, these
college agement that disappear, So that's is the kind of
general but they disappear and also are found in water,
and then the police discount the cases as murder. They
call them accidental drowning. So people and they're in a

(07:43):
lot of the police opinions is that these are accidental drawings.
I differ from those general opinions that these are not
accidental drownings. These are body dumps really.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And and what brings you to that conclusion.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Well, that's a good question. So in any of the cases,
the pattern that shown up and variety is that these
guys have been found in places that were checked multiple times.
They were found above water in places that had been
looked by a series of people. These and this is
happening even to today, where they've had these things. So

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that indicates that these bodies are not in the water
when they supposedly drowned when they were last seen. When
they show up again, that's another indicator. And also if
you look through the original cases, Gann and Gilbertson did
an excellent job. They wrote a book called Case Studies
in Forensic Drowning Forensics, which unfortunately is priced out of

(08:39):
the market. It's like two hundred and fifty bucks. But
they noticed that in many of these cases, these guys
had drugs, particularly GHB, in their system, which indicates that
they were drugged. In that the public kind of perception
that these guys were drunk is actually untrue, that they
were drugged in acting as if somebody was drugged. So

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that's why I believe in some of these other investigators
believe that these cases are not accidental drownings. They and
also the other thing is nobody sees these guys go
in the water. They disappear out of a bar, they're
walking down the street, they're seeing on CCTV, and then
they disappear and then they're found in water. So nobody
actually sees them go in and that is to me,

(09:20):
is very telling that they found they were they ended
up in the water by misadventure. So I definitely different
from a lot of these police uh investigators, and some
of these police investigators have changed their tune in particular,
you know about jan Jenkins and Chris Jickens, where they
initially said it was an accidental drowning and then after

(09:41):
research and the involvement of a private investigator, the police
actually came out apologized and said it was murder. And
this was in Minneapolis, Minnesota's interviewed.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
All right, okay, I was going to ask you better
because I forgot her name. I think she emails me
all the time. If that's the same moment, and I hope.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, that's her. I don't what she asking me. I'd
be curious to see those emails.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Just comments about the show all the time. I'm not
sure if it's the same woman or not, but it's
the same name.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
If it's out of Colorado, Colorado, it's Jen Jenkins.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
In Okay, that's interesting. Now. She had a theory though,
that her son's girlfriend was dating some off duty cop
and there was a Halloween party and she was the
daughter was even the girlfriend was even wearing his police
uniform as part of her costume. And are you familiar
with that whole story?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Uh huh, Yeah, very familiar. I read her book.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
So then what do you make of that this?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I think it's foot points of courage. Well, I think
that there's there's two ways to look at. Are these
deaths the product of the individual abductions or or is
this a network of people who are actively involved in
the same mls. And I've done a pretty in depth
research and I actually think that it's both. So I
think in some of these instances there are there's actually

(10:55):
people involved who are at the bar, whether it's the
bouncer's bartenders who are involved in these and some it's different.
But I think in Chris Jenkins case, there's the activities
of the bartender, the bouncers and his girlfriend was very suspicious.
But I think it's interesting too because there's actually was
a disappearance right across the street from where Chris Jenkins

(11:17):
was lasting at the I think it was the Lone
Tree tavern across the street. A guy by the name
of Segunda Lima was at a bar across the street
and he's disappeared to kind of the same instance where
he was at a bar, but his body hasn't been
found as of today. But anyway, the Chris Jenkins fits
the profile of these types of deaths where somebody leaves

(11:39):
is supposedly drunk, but maybe not that drunk, is you
know somehow we the body of Chris Jenkins indicates, and
this is after looking at the autopsy and having second
or third parties look at the autopsy, that he was
abducted and he had hair from some other person in
his hand. I think I think they found it with

(11:59):
somebody else or whether it was the back of his hair.
I'm not sure if they ever really tested the DNA
on that, but his body showed hi the sign of
struggle in that it was placed in the water in
a post mortem, you know, environment so he fits the
kind of profile of a lot of these cases where
somebody's either held or you know, murdered before they were

(12:21):
put into.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Water, right, because the pattern is that there's an indication
that they didn't die in the water, and then some
of them were actually you believe they were held for
days before they were placed in the water because if.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Not longer, Yeah, which is really a creepier aspect because
some of these, I mean, some of the recent cases.
There's a guy out of Pittsburgh by the name of
Dakota James who has found almost forty days after he
disappeared out of downtown Pittsburgh. There was another guy, keller Her,
Michael keller Her out of Boston, who was I mean,
they searched the part of the James River where it was,

(12:54):
which is really a lake. It's actually right in front
of a lock system, so the water is very still.
They kept searching, searching, allso he appeared there and the
same thing with Dakota James. And according to my information
about Dakota James, his body was not it didn't look
like it was having like a body that was in
the water for forty days in it. And he was

(13:15):
found in a place that was previously searched. There actually
are police saying, well, we just searched that two days ago.
We searched that whole area. So those are instances of
these cases where the body doesn't fit the time of day,
and you know, typically there's been an objective third party
research about how long a deceased person will rise to

(13:37):
the surface and just the way the body decomposes it
happens at the end of it, it's got to be
twenty or twenty five days, and there's these guys showing
up forty days later. Another one is a guy by
the name of Bradley Barrett who disappeared out of Reading, Pennsylvania.
A lot of strange disappearances happening in Pennsylvania right now.
But he was another one where they searched and searched,

(13:59):
they went by this river, and all of a sudden
the body appeared. So there's clearly, there's clearly evidence that
these guys are being held for its time.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
But now, are the smiley faces still showing up or
is that kind of discontinued.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's a great question. Uh, I mean there's a lot
uh yeah, there, something is still happening.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes, Okay, but you don't want to give it. You
don't want to give it up. But there's some other
kind of an indication the pattern.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, same pattern, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Okay, of symbols being left behind, yes, absolutely, Okay, very interesting.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well there's an I mean, here's another one, Zach Marr.
Zach Marr came out of a bar in downtown Boston, disappeared,
supposedly fell in the water, and where his body was
found there was a smiley face and a strange kind
of sophisticated zen kind of a poem that was found
next to his body with the smiley faace or where

(15:03):
his body was found, and that is recorded in cryptod
Antiquarian at least Soaper's website. She's followed many of the
deaths in Boston in particular.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
And how is this left by spray paint or magic
mark or somebody?

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Okay. And that's the interesting thing is that a lot
of these, if not all of them, are spray paint.
Spray paint are markers. And I do believe that, and
I I can. I think Gilbertson and Gannon have additional
information that is not public, so they haven't publicized all
of their information.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Gotcha and how often do they find the GHP in
there the system.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
That's a great question because some of these bodies are
not tested for some of the autopsies are never made public,
and some of the autopsies are never obtained by the families,
which I would say, if any young person, young man
shows up in the water, the family has to get
a proper autopsy from the state and then get a
third party autopsy that looks for drugs in the system,

(16:01):
because not all of these bodies have been properly autopsy
And one of the things that Gilbertson again and have
done expertly is really obtained those autopsies because they have
additional information then what was publicized by the police. The
police are not they're not profering to the public all

(16:25):
of the evidence that they have in each of these
individual cases. So it's important for these other families to
obtain not themselves. I believe that the police also have
information regarding many of these cases that are indicative of
some type of pattern and also confirm that you know,
these young men have been abducted and then thrown in water.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well yeah, when you think about it, what benefit is
it in it for them to declare, Hey, there's a
nationwide cult or an international cult really, because we can
get into Awn Manchester pushing and stuff too. What benefit
is into the police department to say, hey, this, we
can't stop this, We have no control over this group
doing this, and you know they can pretty much get
away with you because how can you how can you
avoid this?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, that's a great question. I mean some people have
made the point that these because these are college aged men,
the authorities do not want to publish it as a
danger because it would affect the colleges, college admission and
all these other people if their people would not send
their children to these cities, if they knew their sons
could potentially be murdered. But also I think the police,

(17:28):
it's it's a lot easier for the police to say nothing,
no foul play suspected, and that actually that phrase pops
up in so many of these cases. Jim Smith wants
to title his book no foul play suspected because that's
what always pops up. But it's very foul play when
somebody drowns in a shallow puddle of water or something
like that. But I think that it's a lot easier

(17:51):
just to say that. Then you know, there's something very
complex happening here where perpetrators are trying to fool forensic
you know, forensic analyzers or forensic things. So just for
an example, is that, and this has been published published
the case of dacote To James. His family has gotten

(18:12):
a forensic a third party forensic doctor Cyril Weckt, he's
relatively famous, is going to Yeah, he's going to be
analyzing their their own lost son, tragically lost, and you
know see how that drives up with the the state's autopsy.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Now, this three hour documentary, is this going to be
available on Amazon?

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, so it'll be on Amazon. I'll try to put
it out in as many places as possible, but definitely
Amazon will be the best place to find it.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
So okay, and what do you think you're going to charge?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh, I don't know, just a fair market price just
for a visual viewing. And then you know whatever the
standard market rate is three ninety.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Oh that really that's pretty cheap. Okay, I think.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
What's the standard market price for a video view these days?
A digital view?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, you're right, when you view it, yeah, I guess
when you order it.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Tho.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It was like nineteen books when you when you're purchasing
your house.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Yeah, if you wanted to just watch it.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah. Now, what about have you talked to Jim Rothstein
about this and history about the process church being involved?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, I remember that interview that you did with them,
and I briefly related to him. He talked about some
of the cases that happened up in his neck of
the woods. I think it was a Wisconsin or Minnesota
was involved. What was his name? Uh, there was a
kid at Saint John's. There was a there was a
Catholic church there, Catholic university with a high school. But

(19:37):
that was interesting because the parents of Chris Jenkins work
with that. That kid's name whose name I can't remember
right now, but he U. Yeah. Rostein said that there's
something involved, and I I mean, I think people will
have to see the movie to see my conclusions, but
I've said things in that film that are totally unique
that nobody who's researched this these cases has come to

(19:58):
those conclusions.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Okay, and there's been a Now what about that case
of the woman, the Canadian woman in California that wound
up in the water tower in that skid Row motel there.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, that was Lisa Lamb somethingsa Lamb.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, that was a weird one.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I didn't include that because even though she was put
in water, I think that she was probably put in water.
She didn't climb in there herself. It's there's actually some
very important concerns when analyzing these cases to go to
know what goes in to the kind of final product.
Because I looked at hundreds of over one hundred cases,

(20:39):
and some of them did not end up in water,
so I didn't include those. They all fit the same
kind of mo o, so she didn't. There's other cases
that didn't actually study cases where these guys were found
in water, but I think that they were murdered by
their friends and kind of drug deals gone wrong. So
those didn't go in because I believe that's some of

(21:00):
these cases are, I mean most of these cases them
is that they are you know, people went out and
hunted for somebody and found them, you know, so they're random.
They're random events.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
And the hunting grounds is did I lose you? I
think I did. I'll think I lost my enginet here.
I'm interest what's going on here? Okay? Can anybody hear me?
What about the audience. Can the audience Jim, Oh, okay,

(21:37):
we just lost our connection. Yeah, we lost the Skype connection.
That's what that was. Okay, so we'll be picking that
up in a second. Daniel'll get back to us and
carry that.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
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Speaker 2 (21:48):
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Speaker 3 (23:22):
Sri ram Ram Jaya Kumar. So he was These were
both people out of Boston, Massachusetts. Doherty and Jaya Kumar
both found. Jaya Kumar was found in water and Doherty
was found kind of in a marshy area in places
both previously searched. So those were pretty remarkable.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Okay, we were kind of off there for a couple
of minutes, but we we're back.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I was just I was just rambling, so I don't
know if I was the American Breedom Radio, but I
was going over that outline that I gave you talking
about some of these recent cases of young men who disappeared.
You know, this guy Michael Doherty out of Franklin was remarkable.
He was the young guy out of a Duke University
student who there was like the National Guard was almost

(24:06):
called there. There were forty or fifty individual police officers
looking for this guy and he was found about a
quarter a mile away from where he was last seen,
probably in a place previously searched. I just haven't confirmed
that yet, but that that case is remarkable. There are
also two cases in south western UK, which is Jason
Gerguhl and Dex Johnson, both out late at night, disappeared

(24:30):
and then found in water.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
And that's in the UK. You're saying United Kingdom.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Correct, So Bristol and Bath have had this same kind
of cases. Also, like you mentioned Manchester where they call
it a pusher, they called serial killer. And there's actually
a concern in this all over the papers in Bristol
is that is a serial killer loose because there were
four men who were found dead within the last five months.
Jason Gergol I think it was Deacon Wilkins, all people

(24:56):
who I cover in my movie and show that these
guys disappeared and then were found. You know they're gone
for a long period of time. I have it. Yeah,
there's just incredible information associated with those cases.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
But let me ask you a Manchester for a second now,
tho it's Manchester pushing killings. They're still going on today.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
They're the most recent. They had a number of cases
coming out of bars, but that you know, the whole
city is covered in canals and there was a recent
one last year, so yeah, it's still kind of happening.
And the thing is is that a lot of those
canals they're placid as a pond. You know, there's no
water way, So it's odd to think that these guys

(25:37):
are drunk enough to walk. They're too drunk to walk,
but when they hit the water, they like lose all
of their facility and drowned. But there's been some remarkable
cases souvic pal these guys who are young at bars
disappear found in another part of the city in one
of these like canals. But yeah, and these phenomenals happening
all over the world. Ed, I got to tell you,

(25:58):
you know, you got to people really to be careful
when they're out there drinking or you know, even men
are vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, but my age, I'm fifty five years old, I'm
over the end.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
All your listeners, you know, you may not be you know,
who knows, you know, who knows what can happen in
Las Vegas. But yeah, I think everybody needs Now, what
about they have this woman here in La who's going
around drugging men and ripping them off, you know, so
she's hitting them with either GHB or something.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
But yeah, that's kind of They spike your drink with
the GHB and then they roll you. They take you
for your wallet and stuff like that. Now is that
happening to these kids? The wallets are intact, right then
there taking any money.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
That's a great point. So that's that's one of the
things that's very consistent of all of these cases is
that their wallets are intact, so you can leave out
kind of a financial motive. Their wallets are found on
their body or strangely like they put their wallet their
cell phone by the river and then drown themselves. Like
strange things like that. They've had kind of particularly in
the Cross Wisconsin, where these guys is you know, have

(26:57):
found their personal belongings next to some statue and then
they're found in a canal off the river south of
the city. So it's definitely a commonality where these the
money's untouched so that the motive of financial gain is definitely,
in my opinion, not associated with these cases.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Now, now, Steph Young was working on that Manchester killing,
the pushing killings, right, and she was gonna be involved
in a documentary film about that. Don't know what's going on,
a document series, And I don't even know what's going
on with that now because I was even supposed to
be involved he for a while there. I didn't no
audition for it over a year ago, So I guess
it's either they're working really slow or I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Making Let me tell you this story. I'm on Netflix
on the Occult Crimes documentary and that was an interview
I did two years ago, like over twenty four months ago,
and it took them that long. It just came out
on Netflix. So some of these productions are slow, but
those Manchester are putting pushing. There's over sixty people who
fell in the water there in the last ten years

(27:58):
of it.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
He has several theories. One is a processed church type
cult and is another one of a neo Nazi type
group cult. Are you familiar with her theories in this.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Vaguely? You know? I read her books, She's read written
a couple of books about these cases, and I, you know,
I can't remember the details, but I do know that
she has you know, looked into the theories. But I
think that that there are definitely in some of these instances,
there are definitely groups involved.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
And with this David Paletti's right. He also did a
compilation Missing that four one one, Missing four one one,
and it's pretty much if you read his books, they're
like a compilation of police reports.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
I read it was, Oh, is it something drowning? I
can't remember the title of it. It's uh, yeah, I've
read the one about the Smiley Face killer, so I
haven't read his other. Uh, missing four one one works now?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Now the one you read, is it similar to the
one I read, which is just basically a list of
police reports and and uh little bios of all the
different cases.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, it's little bios of the cases, no cork.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Right, which is a brilliant way to write a book.
As you sell, everyone in the book is going to
buy the book.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
In the book wants to write. Yeah. I think it's
called sobering coincidence right now. He discribed it interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, A couple of instances he talked about is where
people inside a bar would walk into the men's room
and the what is that called the closed circuit TV
saw them going in but never saw them leaving the bar.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, there was one guy out of Columbus, Ohio, the
Shafer case where he walked into the bar. CCTV saw
him go in, but nobody saw him leave. That's that's
an unusual case. But I you know, I didn't include
that because shafferd that was body was never found, So
that's another case also that looks like an inside job
to me. But the you know, it's interesting. I kind

(29:53):
of did an analysis of Missing four one one a
sober in coincidence, sobering coincidence, and then compared it to
Gannon and Gilbert's his book which came out earlier, Case
Studies in Drowning Forensics. And I noticed that the key
cases that the even politis had were all cases that
came out of case Studies and Drowning Forensics. So it was, uh,

(30:14):
pretty strange when your key cases all come from another book. Okay, okay,
and Pelides and uh what's uh what's her name? Also,
I've had some kind of squabbles. Have you heard of those?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, it seems like polities, those squabbles with everybody.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
Yeah, well, he's another person that people have tried to
reach out to and he hasn't responded, like I've tried
to talk to him, Okay, but he does taken the
time to respond. And I've heard stories that you know,
you know, contankerous type of.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Yeah happened, always has a lusson going on. And because
he was, he mailed me a book, he was going
to come on the show, and then then I never
heard back from him. Now he doesn't get back to me.
So now, uh, in Manhattan is the Durian family that
owns it. I think they want like something like fifteen
percent or twenty percent of all the liquor licenses in Manhattan.

(31:06):
And they had that case, remember that kid, the preppy killer?

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, okay, and drangled the girl or whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You right, And but there was recently a case in
the past three or four years of a girl that
went missing in one of their bars and the whole
thing was covered up. And are you familiar with that case?

Speaker 3 (31:25):
No? No, But I'm not surprised that these are cover ups. Yeah,
I'm not surprised because some of these stories aren't consistent,
like you look at the Zach marcuse and they make
a public statement like he was too drunk and we
were going to let him back in, and then his
family says no, they didn't let him back in, So
who's telling the truth? You know? But it does seem
like a lot of these bars are covering, covering from themselves.

(31:46):
There's another bookcase that came out of Providence, Rhodehighland, a
guy by the name of Heart, and the bar like
tried to you know, say he was too drunk, you know,
but then he ends up in water. So yeah, something
some of these bars are super sketchy, and uh, you know,
it's definitely it seems like some of these bars are
places where people are waiting to find a victim, you know,

(32:10):
like there are people there. And some of these bars
are close to places where there's like sex offender rehabilitation
places where there are like tons of sex offenders. And
then a young man, you know, some comes out of
the bar, trips and falls in a puddle of water
that's two feet deep and drowns. You know, So those
are super suspicious. But yeah, it's yeah, you know, it's

(32:34):
it's yeah, it's there's there's a lot of cover up.
You know, it seems like there's a lot of ways
that these people. They just had the chief of police
come out in Boston and say, you know, nothing's happening here,
But then they've had other radio hosts in Boston say,
so I can tell that there's a pattern. People are disappearing.
They're falling into water that isn't even you know, there's

(32:55):
no waves, it's placid. How are they How are they
you know, so drunk that they're able to get to
the water, but then they can't get back out, you know.
So yeah, it's uh and a lot of these a
lot of these people go did disappearing out of the
middle of crowds. You know, it's like they're looking for crowds.
Like kill Her is a perfect example where he's in

(33:16):
a crowd after I think it was a basketball game
or hockey game, calling an uber, tries three times and
then disappears. So he's sober enough to call an uber
three times, get it canceled, and then you know, he's
never seen again, found again dead in water. That's the
case from this year.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
So that's interesting too because that's similar to that girl
who was at the Metallica concert and right right, yeah,
where she was in a crowd and then also yeah,
and she said the same thing that someone was following
her around the crowd, like hunting her.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
And that's the same thing. Some people feel like they're
being faulted. They have one case out of Thailand today,
uh this year where a guy said, somebody's following me.
Something that's happened to me. I think my drink got spiked,
and then he ended up dead in water, you know.
So you know, these cases are happening all over the
world in party spots, which there's like an island off
the coast of southern Thailand where this case happened. But yeah, so,

(34:12):
I mean one of the things some people have theorized
that some of these Uber drivers and there was an
attempted Uber driver who had tried to dug somebody out
of Pittsburgh where they're actually not on the they're not
attached to the app, but they're saying, hey, you want
to ride, and that that's how some of these guys
are getting infected. Oh that's interesting, now, that's interesting too,
that's the theory. Another thing is a lot of these guys,

(34:34):
the recent cases Dakota James, another guy Joey la Butte
out of Columbus, Ohio. There was another guy. They're all oh,
Corey mckeeg. They're on Swinger or Grinder, they're on male
dating sites. So supposedly these guys are so drunk that
they fall in water and drought, but they're sober enough
to tinker around with their phone, you know, trying to

(34:56):
hook up with somebody on Grinder. So there's actually a
picture of Dakota James walking typing on his phone. But
he was supposedly so drunk that you know, he fell
into the water and accidentally drunk.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And how is he walking? Was he staggering around when
he was walking?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I mean, the picture of him looks perfect. He looks
just fine. You can see it if you go to
William Ramsey indusket you can look up my investigation into
the code Dakota James disappearance and the picture that he has.
I think it's in Kat's Park in downtown Pittsburgh. He's
walking fine, he's on his phone. He looks like just
the average not a kid with a phone in his
hand walking and texting at the same time. And why

(35:33):
is this got too drunk to fall along? It doesn't
make sense. Some of these cases. The assumption that all
these guys are too drunk is a it's a false assumption.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And that's William Ramsey investigates on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, now you said a couple of these guys weren't Grinder,
which is a homosexual gay website for men. Right now,
How many of these guys are in this pattern? Is
that a pattern that a lot of these men are homosexual?

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Yes, I would say that there is a Yeah, there's
there's definitely either a gay bar or web gay website
pattern for sure in my mind. Joey Lebe who I
talked about gay on a website, Dakota James confirmed homosexual website.
I mean on Grinder. There's been others out of a
gay bar. There was a guy that by the name

(36:20):
of Weller who was at a gay bar. The same
thing happened, disappeared found in water. He is supposedly he
was supposedly so drunk that he walked a mile and
a half and then fell in upond like it doesn't
make sense. So that guy that's out of UK is
a Weller case. So a lot of these cases. There's
a recent case in Georgia, same type gay bar. Yeah.

(36:41):
So yeah, that's definitely a theme of these cases. And
some of these people, you don't know, you don't know
how much, how how some of these cases, whether they're
on grinder or not. You know, some of these people
are on are you know, not open, they're not out
of the closet.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
So, but yeah, and are the police looking pattern there.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Well, that's a great question. I mean, I think that
that's really one of the problems with this type of
water related death is that they have a they come
to a conclusion right away, and that conclusion Forestall's additional
investigation because they don't see the pattern. They don't see
the broader pattern of it happening in Minneapolis, in Lacrosse,

(37:22):
in Madison, in Boston, in Pittsburgh, in pennsyl you know,
all these different places. So you know, that's like one
of the one of the things that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Now back in New York and New Jersey, like, there
was a pattern where a lot of the strip clubs
were like owned either silently or in partnership with these
motorcycle games.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Sorry, go ahead, that's.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Okay with Like, there was a pattern of strip clubs
being owned by motorcycle gangs up and down. I think's
up and down the whole East coast, then it goes
all the week down to Florida. Now, is there any
other kind of organized crime type or gang or involved
in this series of bars?

Speaker 3 (38:05):
You know, I haven't come across that. That doesn't seem
to be a common theme. It seems like that. I mean,
I can I can say generally knowing my research, I
haven't come across that.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
But there is the homosexual thing, absolutely absolutely. Now what
about a cult, any dabbling with the occulting with these victims?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
So yes, some yeah, I've had I've come across some remarkable,
remarkable thing. One I will reveal right now is that
one of the victims had a black dragon tattoo on
his neck. And it's the same tattoo. It's actually the
same design that's on the forearm of Damien Eccles, and
that's also on the body of a person associated with

(38:48):
one of these waternats.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
What do you mean associated with like a suspect.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
I wouldn't use that police term. I would say that
somebody knew somebody who had one of these black dragons tattoos.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
So one of the victims knew someone that also had
a tattoo like that. Correct, Okay, that's interesting, and this
is a common tattoo.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
How rare is it? Well, I mean you can look
at the forearm of Damien Echols, and I think that
I've actually seen people wear that. It's had some kind
of occult significance that I don't totally understand, but I
know the design is always the same.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Now you describe one here as a copycat? Ally, yeoman?

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Right, So that just happened outside of Sacramento, where this
girl disappeared and then was found in water. And I
think maybe some of these cases are copycat cases, like
somebody has learned either through the Internet or BDSM sites
that this is a pattern where you can kill somebody
and get away with it on.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
BDSM sites. How does that up?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Well, yeah, I'd rather not the bulget right.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, all right, because it's coming out in your video
or because yes, okay, okay, gotcha, Well I explained it
in detail, you Okay, So that's this fascinating stuff.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Man.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Now, are they always found clothed with their clothing on?

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Mostly mostly found clothed, yes, so totally with their clothes on,
same clothes they were disappeared in. Oddly enough, some of
the shoes are missing, like some of the shoes are
coming off, which is odd. Or one the shoe will
be found and then the other shoe will be found
on the body. That's just that appears later, you know.
So that's another one that happened to Bradley Virret. They

(40:33):
found a shoe before he found his body. It was
like forty days difference. They found a shoe and then
the body popped up.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's interesting. That woman you would talking about Jenkins too, No, no, no, no,
it was the other woman, the woman with the in
the with the Metallica concert. The guy took her T
shirt and put it on a pole in order to
send a signal. Is there any kind of any like
with the like with the zodiac where they would send
letters and stuff like that and taunt the police. Is
there anything that kind of stuff going on?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Well, you know, I had John Desusa, he was an
ex FBI agent, and he believes that those smiley faces
are kind of a taunt but also a symbol that's
put there which breaks down the kind of group cohesion.
You know, that they're put out there accidentally, like they
shouldn't be put out and that's what their markers are.
And I pretty much confirm that the smiley face symbol

(41:25):
is you know, esoteric. Esoterically it's just a you know,
somebody is happy, but esoterically it's kind of like a
chaos magic symbol, you know, so and it pops up
all over the common culture. And I think you can
see you'll see that in the film that it's clearly
known to people in kind of the occult that this

(41:46):
symbol as an esoteric meaning, and the meaning is described.
I describe it in that video of David Bowie on
William Ramsey Investigates. I explain what it means. You know,
it means that life is just a big joke. The
University of Cosmos is a big you know, universal comedy.
And I think the corollary to that beginning is you
can do what you want, you know, Curley's dictum just

(42:07):
a big joke. And that's kind of the symbol symbolic
representation of the comedian at the very beginning of Watchmen,
you know, played by the guy who plays Megan in
the Walking Dead series.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Oh really, Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, when did the smiley
face symbol originate and appear in them? In modern time.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Well, that's a great question. I think it came out
of Well, so the post Crowley occult movement is, you know,
kind of chaos magic, these ideas, what's it, the psychoanod
and this one Carrol is is kind of one of
those guys who codified it. But it's like people who
are influenced by Crowley but also kind of had their

(42:49):
own take. So it's a post Crawley chaos magic. But
that symbol is associated with a lot of these guys
who are interested in house music, So that symbol actually
goes back to early kind of industrial house organization. Somebody
told me that that symbol was actually the primary symbol
for the entire industrial music movement that started in the eighties. Really, yeah,

(43:16):
I was told by a guy who was into that
it was in that in that environment. So let me see,
the smiley faced logo is the mascot for the underground
rave scene. That's a direct quote that that is. So then,
like they told me, Wisconsin's the central for a center
for industrial music, you know, so there seems to be

(43:38):
a correlation between these kind of scenes, the symbol and
the young Men's death.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think Wisconsin is sort of like one of those
towns too, But there's a lot of human trafficking, a
lot of young white girls that take them from there
and put in the prostitution. WM I read about that.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
I'm not to mind. I don't know. I don't know
that much about human trafficking, but I do know that, Yeah,
I mean that symbol. You can go back and look
at some of these bands, you know that came out
of that, and the smiley face shows up. You know,
you can see these guys wearing smiley face symbols. And
it's interesting too, Like the guy Booth who Q died.
He was found behind a bar like eleven days in

(44:18):
a very obvious position where you know, he had just
magically reappeared. He had only been dead for two days,
so somebody had held him for five for seven days,
and there's a there was like all this kind of
like sigilized smiley faced writing on the side of the
bar where he was found. But the band that played
the night that he disappeared, the guy the lead guitarist

(44:40):
was wearing a smiley faced T shirt. And people have
speculated that these cases may be associated with music because
one of the ways that these people or people who
are perpetrating these types of crimes can cover their tracks
is to literally leave the area. So they committed a
crime and then they're on a band and they go
somewhere else. So that is that's a potential, you know,

(45:07):
aspect of the perpetrators, which makes sense. It was interesting
in going back to Joeyle Butte when he was disappeared
on Grinder. At that time, there was a huge bodybuilding
or weightlifting or the physical fitness thing called the Arnold
Schwarzenegger Meets or the Arnold Swartz something that happens in
Columbus every year, and so all these other people were

(45:27):
in town for that thing, you know, draws fifteen twenty
thousand people, and that's the weekend that Joey la Butte.
And there's a commonality in a lot of these desks,
Like you talked about about that guy who the girl
whoever she out of Virginia or whatever. These large public
meetings seemed to be a way for people to camouflage
themselves and find victims.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
You know, it's funny you mentioned that there was an
Arnold Schwarzenegger bodybuilding event because you know, Bill Mentzer was
a bodybuilder and Jacqueline was you know, he would manage
to Jaquelaine at one point in one of the guys,
there was a guy who was involved in the bodybuilding,
was involved with him, but also to a couple of
the hit man that he hired to work for him,

(46:07):
and a couple of these hits where also bodybuilders. Out
of this track. Yeah, you know, it's called.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
The Arnold Sports Festival and it takes place every year
and it's headed for March first to fourth, twenty eighteen
is the next one. But it's interesting too about if
you look at the victims or the typology of the victims,
there's nobody overweight. There's no like somebody who's like ten
pounds overweight. They fit a profile of super healthy, fit people,

(46:40):
you know, like there's never the cheetos eating guy who's
drinking sucking down to leader, you know, seven to eleven
cokes three times a day. There isn't anybody overweight, you know,
you can look at fifty of the victims. No, not
even so.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
They're looking for one kind of like a maple, you know.
With his victims were like these young, buff gay guys,
you know, twinks or whatever you want to call right, Yeah,
and it would put them in a leash and the
mask and stuff like that, stick their head and the
toil and all this kind of stuff to him. Now,
what about in the forums and stuff like that, like
you know, you know how you kind of keep an
eye on what's going on with the process people in

(47:17):
the West Memphis three people and you can kind of
see them joking around as that little you know, comments
back and forth. Do you see that kind of pattern
like guy's talking in code about the dumping but you know,
you know, you know what I mean, anything like that
like an undercurrent.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Of a well, you'll have to watch the document.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I knew it.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
There's an information in there that I won't I can't.
I don't want to disclose. It's because I lay it
all out in very you know, kind of very recognizable details,
so you can see the foundation to to what's going on.
I mean, yeah, I think, yeah, it's it's it's there's

(47:56):
a lot there's a lot of undercurved there's a subculture,
there's a series of subculture that are underneath larger cultures,
and it's I think that this event is coming out
of one of those subcultures. These type of deaths.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, exactly, I know, you always got your eye on
for that kind of thing, you know, So that's what
I know you'd you'd be looking into that. Let me
ask you a question real quick, because I got a
message from Nico House. He's saying something about that, uh,
because he's not at that summit thing right, the Progressive Summer,
and so Bernie's they pushed back, Bernie said, and he

(48:29):
has to tape that. So he's saying, I'm not sure
if he's saying he can come on at six or not.
Could you give me a little bit more time if
we needed you?

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Absolutely no, not a problem.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Okay, great. I was thinking maybe we could talk a
little bit about Seth rich and and your theories about that.
Uh sure, I know because you're from d C.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, those areas. I mean, he died like basically east
of Adams Morgan. That was kind of a place I
was that. It was interesting. One does walk through is that?
George Webb? Did he walked down the street that I
live one street over?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, So let's let's get into that to the break.
But before we do, because we got about another five
minutes before the break, We've got about another five minutes,
seven minutes. What do you want to leave us with
on this smiley face stuff.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Well, I would just put out a general warning that
this is happening, This kind of phenomenon where young men
are disappearing is actually murder. That these are not accidental drownings.
There are accidents that do happen, but there is a
significant proportion of these are actually abductions and murders, and
that people need to be very careful when they're out,

(49:32):
even men, particularly men who are in this kind of
victim class, people in their twenties or the late twenties,
that you can get drugged in a bar and you
won't even know it, and so then that's when the
predators are there. So a lot of these families I've
talked to or I've seen things, they do not believe
the police version of the story. And this goes back

(49:54):
for ten years. So I do just want to put
out a warning. You can look at all the other
In addition to this interview, I've done an interview with
John Decusa, an ex FBI agent on William Ramsey investigates
a couple with Jim Smith. So if you want to
kind of and I'm also putting out today the second
part of an interview that Christy Peel did on Coast
to Coast in twenty ten, so you can kind of

(50:17):
see that this pattern is still happening. You know, I've
done all these recent cases or covered these recent cases,
but these cases go back ten, fifteen, twenty years. So
I just want to vigorously warn the audience to be
very careful. This is definitely happening.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And what kind of numbers are we looking at every
year of these young men disappearance.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
There was an incredible run over the last couple of months.
I mean this year, I'm looking at probably twenty to
twenty five cases.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Twenty five cases this year, and then what's the average
on worldwide?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
It's hard to say. You know. The thing is is
that each one of these cases require people to look
at in detail to see what themo and what really happened.
Some people actually do jump off bridges, some people following water.
But you know, then there's these cases where they disappear
and reshow Like I didn't know the totality of what
was going out with Bradley Verrett. Now I'm totally convinced
that he was abducted. So yeah, I mean I think

(51:14):
that there's probably one hundred to two hundred cases in
total that fit this profile where somebody has been abducted
and murdered young men.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
And then when you're researching this, now, how are you
finding them? You're just looking at missing person cases and
just saying, hey, this car.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
You know, I'm looking at other researchers, I'm looking at
missing persons cases. I'm looking I'm following Jim Smith's stuff.
He's really doing a great job of identifying certain cases.
And there are other people watching as well, you know,
so like, for example, this girl Elise Soper who just
wrote about the Boston drownings, which are like ten but
you know there and then because all these people are

(51:49):
watching these cases, there's more and more people. It's kind
of a snowball effect that more and more people are
seeing this pattern that's happening and kind of warning each
other and getting the message out.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
So, now, are any of these researchers getting threatened by
a possible cult or you know, maybe that's why some
of them are getting quiet now with disappearing.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Well, I think that's an excellent point. I think, you know,
I think that some people's professional lives were impacted by
researching about this because there is a certain proportion of
the population who rejects these kind of patterns. So I
do think some people have come you know, they've kind
of fallen off or are still watching from a distance.
But I know, I personally have not been threatened for

(52:34):
researching this, but I've known people who have come close
to some very dangerous situations. Only even at that.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Okay, yeah, I think even Steph was there was some
kind of threats going around there too, you know, with
the people around her and she listens to a show
all the time. Have you had a chance to talk to.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Her, not in while, I mean I was, I talked
to her maybe last year, but I need to follow
up with her. I have her books. I need to
read them again. So I I read them a year
and a half ago, but definitely need to take another look.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, she's hosting a show now, to a weekly show.
I think it's on Deprogrammed Radio, which is based out
of the UK, and so people can find that over there. Well,
let's see. I guess I'm running out of questions.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I mean, we can go back through some of these
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I haven't been found yet. No, but like this guy,
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disappearance and water death of Bradley Verrett, which is pretty
fascinating that there was a connection between these two. The
body of Gauge Harkins has not been found, but there's
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Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I am here?

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Okay, good Now, you are an attorney. I am okay,
but we still like you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
I appreciate it, and you're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Not building us for this time, right, I'm not okay,
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from d C. You were practicing an attorney in Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
I went to school in d C. So I spent
three years in d C and lived for summer. I
lived off of DuPont Circle on Nineteenth Street, and uh.
Then I lived mostly in northern Virginia. I lived in
Clarendon Roslyn, right kind of over the Key Bridge. And

(01:01:56):
you had some un ye DC A for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And see you're very familiar with the area.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
Absolutely. I spent three years there. I used to go
to Supreme Court briefings. I used to walk around the capitol.
I knew people who worked for people who are very
high up in political office today and hang out in
their offices and do stuff. I know people who worked
for George Soros. You know. I know people in my
law school went to the FBI.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Okay, very cool, very cool. Now and you were involved
in that whole whitewater.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
No, I took a job. I took a summer intern
with a guy by the name of John Clark. You
know John Clark. You interviewed him. And I worked for
John for summer on the Vince Foster investigation. He represented
a guy by the name. Oh god, it's somebody who
was at the park at Fort Marcy Park today that

(01:02:47):
Vince Foster's body was found.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
What was his name again, Dean Arnold?

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
No, no, no, Dean Arnold wrote a book that was
Vince and Hillary. Was that right? So I interviewed Dean
Arnold too. I'm trying to remember the guy's name. I'm
totally blanking on his name anyway. So I worked for
John Clark. I helped him go over Breeese. But really
what I did is he put out an addendum about
the Vince Foster that countered the main one that was

(01:03:12):
put out by I can't even this is like twenty
five years ago. But basically what we did. I sat
with John, we filled the forms out, put him in envelopes,
and I was the lackey who delivered this addendum to
every member of Congress and every Senator. So I walked
around the north side and south side of the Capitol,
going to people's offices, handing them out. I remember going

(01:03:34):
into Arlen Spector's office while he was still alive and
handing this thing out to his front door. I handed
something to Senator Levin from Michigan and he just looked
at me with big, old, goofy lizard eyes and I
just said, hear this. So, you know, I saw a
lot of those people. I went into every person's office.

(01:03:55):
I remember going into the Senator. The black lady was
the Senator from Illinois before Obama talk to her, So
you know, I was around and then that kind of
opened my eyes to the rabbit hole and O Vince Fosters.
I went to Fort Marcy Park, stood over the burn
whre fence. Foster was laid dumped, and I was like, no,
what this guy did know? Way, hey, this guy killed

(01:04:16):
himself there, not in this park. Fort Marcy was an
old Civil War fort and he was also a known
kind of cruising gate, cruising spot off of one of
the parkways in northern Virginia. But anyway, I knew that,
you know, that was blown and it was clearly dump
and uh, you know, that kind of that kind of

(01:04:37):
led me down a different pathway of understanding political murder
and how politics really works. So that was a very
interesting experience. I remember people were following following this guy
around with black black like Attash Shay Cases, a briefcases.
It was incredible. It was like watching the police state

(01:04:59):
in action. But uh so then, you know, I just
I just remember meeting a lot of people. I used
to go to the Lloyd blank Lines lawyer. I know,
I used to know his his intern. So I used
to go to Steph Bill and Johnson and hang out
beer on Fridays there. So you know, I kind of
just was a very on a very low level person,

(01:05:21):
but just was around. Like I knew a guy who
worked for Monica Lewinsky's lawyer, the Platoka Cheris, So I
used to go to play Cheris's office off of Connecticut
Avenue and Fark. You know, just used to go to
all these little places and not know anybody there, but
just knew who these people were. So the Monica Lewinsky thing,
so you know, I was there during the Star Report,

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you know, so I read a lot of that stuff read.
Actually the footnotes are very interesting if you haven't read
the footnotes in the Star report, You're missing out on
a lot of important information. Always read the footnotes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Give us an idea. What would we find d footnotes?

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
It gives us an idea?

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Bill Clinton, Oh, I can't repeat some of the stuff
that's in there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Really, Yeah, because it's sexually explicit. Oh yeah, really, Okay,
we gotta get those, man, you gotta get those far.
I want to read that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Well. I mean, I'm surprised that nobody in the public
really really win with some of the stories that were
in the pudnows.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Oh yeah, well the whole show about it. Yeah, why
don't you pull him out?

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I don't know if it's that. If it's that, but
there's some there's some juicy bits in those things, no.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Question even a half hour. Okay, yeah, what.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Was that guy's name? I'm totally blanking.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
I know I had him on the show. I know
you're talking about the guy who found Yeah, he was
there in the park and then they stalked this guy
and they had FBI agents stalking him, and then he
sued the FBI, and I think he left the country.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
I don't blame him. I'm totally blanking on his name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Well, it's amazing how you remember the names of my
guests better than I do, you know, because I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Listened to your shows. I'm like a fan of the report.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
You've been rattling him off, if ver better than I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Uh yeah, So John Clark and I, I mean, we
used to go to the John Clark's office, which was
in a kind of a semi run down part of
that DC back then. But now they put in the
Wizard's Arena up there in kind of north part, and
that whole area has now been totally gentrified, yeppified. But
back in the day it was like kind of a
gritty Chinatown area. I used to work at this dump

(01:07:23):
called the Dixie Grill, which was right next to where
President Lincoln was laid in his bed after he got
shot from a Fort's theater. He's drugged across the street.
So I used to go to work there and watch
all the tourists come in and just why you know,
But I don't think it's not the Dixie Grill anymore
in someone the place. But yeah, just funny stories.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
And you were saying also too, that you've been in
those tunnels like underneath the White House to go back
and forth resolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:48):
Yeah, so I did a full tour underneath the White House.
Of the White House, I actually saw there's old, charred
parts of the underground of the White House when the
British burned it down in eighteen twelve that are still there.
So I touched that I had seen, you know, I mean,
I was at the Bowling Alley. This is nineteen ninety five,

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so it's right there at the beginning. I've been to inaugurations,
I've been all over the actually stepped on Yeah, I
was at an inauguration. I stepped on a Vander Holyfield's shoe, okay,
and I almost got punched in the face by Vander Holyfield.
It would have been a good one, but he looked
at me. I was close. I almost got punched by

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So that's kind of like a story of retail. Really.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
He seems like such a nice guy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
It's super nice. I was. I totally stepped on his foot.
I was totally my fault. I didn't. I'm surprised he
didn't punch me, but yeah, I was so you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Yeah, back at my old church, there was a guy
who was one of the lightweight or for the weight
heavyweight lightweight champions, right. He actually went to was in
the Olympics and stuff like that, was won of the champs.
We just call him Champ. And I always when he
had his eyes closed and he was I always thought, man,
I could give this guy a sucker punch and then
say I knocked out the chair. I used to tell

(01:09:08):
that all the time, but I never quite went through
with it, because you can't hit somebody in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Church, right, Yeah, no, I'm glad you did it. The
guy's name was Patrick Milton, right, Patrick. He didn't sit down.
John Clark, Patrick Knowlton, and I had related with Patrick
Milton three or four times you all sat down and
had dinner, and uh, you know, so I knew those
people somewhat personally. You know. I used to take the
Metro back to John Clark's place where he was living

(01:09:35):
in Foggy Bottom that area, and you know, so you know,
I was somewhat related to these guys who you know,
were involved in in suing and they were very successful
in the sense that the d C. Circuit Court there
was a three three court judge three judge court that
put that John Clark's addendum into the record. So it

(01:09:57):
was like the alternate theory of E. Vince Foster case.
So there was something of victory there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Yeah, Patrick found it to be a very credible witness.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
I never felt like he was being dishonest about anything.
I've been in his presence, so you know, I didn't.
I never got that that sense at all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Did you ever run into Linda Tripp?

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
No, okay, never ran into really. I mean no, I've
run into funny people. I ran into famous author's kids.
I've actually sat down and had beers with the Blonde Ghost.
What was his name, the Blonde Ghost? It was his daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
He was like a spy, not familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
No, No, he's a famous spy. It's Ted Theodore Shackley
actually drank. Yeah, so I drank beers at the third
Edition in Georgetown with her and a buddy of mine.
He works for George Stories. But we we were done drinking,
you know, had two or three beers, and she pulled
out a card and said, I'll take care of it.
I was like, all right, she just paid with like
a black Excellent Mobile card or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
So now with that background, what do you make of
this whole seth Rich theory?

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Well, I mean I think it's pretty clear it wasn't
a burglary, and I think that it's pretty clear that
he was murdered. I don't know where he was for
those two hours from where he was last seen at
the bar and to where he was shot, but it
certainly seems like nobody's talking, which is very interesting, Like
no cops who are on the scene have been come forward.

(01:11:26):
You can't even get a clear understanding of what hospital
he went to. I have not been able to confirm
that maybe somebody else has or what the kind of
eta of where he went. I know that somebody's written
on four chan or something that he was the doctor
who treated him, but that can't be verified.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Yeah, it can't be right, So right, so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Why aren't those actual details of that of that case public?
You know, it's pretty remarkable they could put all the
rumors to rest. And I think it's also suspicious that
the DNC did not put out any type of a
reward for him like that. That's odd too. It seems
pretty clear that he was you know, they always just

(01:12:07):
call him a staffer at the DNC, which is also
suspicious because he was actually in a specific role, which
was bider registration. You know, and uh so, I mean
my take on that is, you know, the ride up
to that the vote was a hard road. You know,

(01:12:27):
they were taking the Democrats were taking a hard road
to victory and scheming and manipulating. They itched out Bernie.
You know what happened in Nevada. You know that kind
of stuff was happening in California. They didn't even count
the votes in California.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Votes in California.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Yeah, yeah, they didn't. They just declared here Hillary the winner.
They didn't even have it. And they actually got the
guy who was supposed to count the votes, and he said,
we didn't count them. We just declared. He actually admitted
that they didn't even count the votes. I forgot the
guy's name. But so it was a hard road and
people got murdered on the way, and I think probably
seth Rich was one of them. Those and the lies
that they're telling, like Podesta and these guys are saying

(01:13:05):
that they were hacked by the Russians. Those are obvious lives.
And the fact that they're saying hacked instead of leaked,
I think is gary telling because those were leaked, those
were not hacked, And it all fits all the kind
of puzzle pieces kind of fit together. So, you know,
a lot of people died, Like one of the WikiLeaks
guys fell in front of a trained in the UK

(01:13:28):
rat did. And the other guy who supposedly had the
file from from seth Ritch died of a fact that
fast acting. And then those guys were old Ratner. I
can't remember the other guy's name from Scotland, but yeah,
I mean just suspicious stuff. So a lot of people,
you know, I can't even figure out the whole story
of the supposed suicide of Victor Thorne, who wrote a

(01:13:51):
bunch of books about Hillary and Bill. You know, he
supposedly walked to the top of a hill and committed suicide,
but his family isn't talking, so there's a lot of
heavy duty manipulations and sketchy things on the way to
you know, her eventual loss.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
But Victor Thorne was murdered, died during the campaign, doing
during the premise, so.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
He was on that list. Victor Thorn died. When did
he supposedly commit suicide? Victor what day did he die?
August first, twenty sixteen, almost a year ago. Yeah, yeah,
so he he wrote, Yeah, I think he wrote something

(01:14:34):
after I wrote a Cold nine eleven. He wrote a
book called The Colt nine eleven. He wrote alone, but
he was Yeah, so that was another one. That was
another one supposed to die, you know, supposedly committed suicide,
but he would. Yeah, that's that's suspicious as hell too.
One did when did uh? I think Rich died in July?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Right, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
So Victor Thorn died in August? And then what was
the John Ash? When did he die? John Ash died?
He's supposed to testify? I remember that guy? That was
June June twenty second, twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Right, that's the black guy, right, that was a black
dude supposedly hit himself with a like a barbell barb right,
so it was Ash.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Then it was when did Seth Rich? That was July tenth?
So when Ash Rich mccufka slash Victor Thorne? And then
who else was? Who else? There were other people? Right? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Sewn Lucas, Sewn Lucas?

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
When did Shawn Lucas supposed to be very suspicious? Didn't
you talk to his his family?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Yeah, his best friend from eighteen years old. I talked
to him. That was all too Yeah, But when I
just talked to him again recently, though, he says, you
can when after the toxicology came back and a found
that was you know, some of the drugs they found
in him are used for anesthesia. These are serious drugs.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
You know, it's ut is super potent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, the first time I talked to him, he said, no,
the guy's martial artists. He's in great shape. He's starting
this new business. He's at a fiance. It's a coconut
oil business. You know, it was DJ. He worked as
a DJ, but what he really did was a DJ.
He just there's a couple of process certain jobs on
the side, just like I do. You know, it wasn't
a full time job. Then he kind of disappeared that

(01:16:26):
the friend disappeared. He wasn't getting back to me, and
after the toxicology came report came back, he says, no.
He first he was saying the family was being suspiciously quiet,
that they weren't talking about anything. The last time I
talked to him, he says, you know, don't I think
it's just what I think. It's what It appears that
he died of an accidental overdose. Because the people around

(01:16:48):
him are so vocal that if anything was suspicious, they'd
be making a big stink out of it. Interesting, But
now who knows, maybe they got to him too, you know,
But he's my only source in the situation.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Well, it seems odd that somebody would be doing fentanyl
with someone else. Was the other thing that was in
his body? It was fentanyl and clio benzoprene, Like I'm
gonna do fentanyl and cycle of benzaprene like that's something
like that's not The cycle of benzaprene is not a

(01:17:22):
it's like a muscle relax on a lot of relaxing, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Yeah, some people who you know, they'll take anything, you
know what I mean? And yeah, you know, but.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Then I thought somebody wrote online that all three of
those drugs are what they used to to to like
kill people in jails, you know. Yeah, Mitraginine is an opioid,
So he supposedly is taking an opioid and fentanyl and

(01:17:55):
a muscle.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Relaxing and also cranton too, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
So my tre gene joy nine is the kratum okay,
so he's taking Supposedly he was taking cradim a muscle relaction,
muscle relaxing, infetool which is really that's super dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Wait, Crawded, is that the drug he used to get
off of opiates?

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Supposedly? Yeah, that supposedly helps you get off of opiates.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Okay, that's it. And then when I asked the friend,
I said, was her drug used? He kind of hemmed
and hard and then he said, nothing is serious, No
serious drugs. It's used to like marijuana in ecstasy. Because
he was a DJ, that would be you know, is
what I Yeah, And it is kind of weird that
he died the same day they fouled that motion for
him to the dance. He fouled the motion challenging the

(01:18:44):
the service, which is so bizarre. Now you've had a
lot of cases that's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
Nobody really challenges service. That's really hair splitting stuff here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Yeah, and uh And the judges said, well, okay, well
then just you know, because they did have a hearing
over it, and they said, well, serve their attorney right now,
and they just serve the attorney except for the service.
So but to have a Yeah, it's kind of that's
kind of unusual to challenge service, especially one that was
on video that was videotaped right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
It was videotape to confirm service, right. I mean, all
they had to do is can show the judge of
the videotape it was done right, you know. So it's
super The death of Lucas is super sketchy. I just
you know, typically Krodim users too, everybody would know they'd
take Credam like it's a source of pride, like I

(01:19:33):
take Credim. I'm proud of it. But really yeah, because
there's it's kind of like a hipster painkiller. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
Well, the last time I mentioned the Cradam thing, I
know a lot of people contacted me, like the experts
on Crodam. You know, they wanted to you know, don't
you understand about Krodam you know, you know, you know,
Daniel fans for fifty days, I'm not even having up here?

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
Are you still fasting? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Man, I lost like thirty five pass.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
Yeah, fifty days. How much long are you gonna go?

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
I think I'm gonna go like another twenty thirty days
at least.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
But I feel really good. I feel really good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
No sugar, no sugar at all, not a drop of sugar. Yeah,
it feels good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Do you have like twenty hours of energy? A day.
How long are you sleeping? You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
I get up in the morning now three o'clock in
the morning every day, and sometimes I get up even
a little earlier. But I go to bed like seven
eight o'clock at night, and it's a ready in my bedside.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Early to bed, early to rise makes you healthy, wealthy
and wise.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Oh yeah, two.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Three, you got three? Right? Try three in bed? Yeah? Now,
So you know, seth Rich that whole thing is I
think in the context of everything that happened during that
election cycle, I don't think it's outside of the realm
of possibility that you know, he was murdered. It's not
a robbery. You can't call it a robbie guy had
like a tag here or watch on. That would be

(01:20:58):
the first thing. Somebody would steal cell phone and his watch, right,
that would be done in ten seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Well, but he had the defensive wound once his knuckles
and his knees. So what would that be now if
he was being interrogated, I.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Guess, yeah, somebody wanted to know, did you do this?
Did you do this? You know? I mean, I don't
I have so little belief in kind of police reports
these days. A lot of times they just get things wrong.
I want to know where he was when he left
the last bar until when it supposedly happened at four o'clock.
There's missing pieces. He was up for two hours, supposedly
talking to his girlfriend. Is that confirmed. I want to

(01:21:33):
know where he was because if he wasn't, if that
wasn't the case, maybe he was abducted. Somebody was, you know,
debriefing him through force, and that's why he has these wounds.
You know, there are three guys got a hold of him.
I don't know what happened now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
I was saying last night, because some of these theories
out there are pretty wild, that the whole DNC police
department would be in on it, and that they actually
showed up at the hospital and prevented his doctor from
treating him. Now, what is your experience with the DC police.
Is it that possible?

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
I think that, you know, I think that it's possible.
I didn't really see any naked corruption, but IRO was
there during Marion Barry, which was like he was smoking crack.
He got him smoking crack, so and he was super corrupt,
and so it's hard to believe that no information would
slip out about the truth about Seth Rich. So I

(01:22:25):
don't I don't know what to believe. I don't, I don't.
I'm not sure that the story that he was still
alive is really legit. You know, he might have been
dead on the shot. If your shot twice a twenty
two is like an assassin's bullet, you know, that's what
they use, because the double bullet doesn't bounce around a lot,
I mean outside of the body. But yeah, it's very

(01:22:48):
strange that whole I don't know what to I don't know.
I can believe that if he got it was a
political assassination. It's not outside of the room of possibility, okay,
But it seems like, you know what that this is
very common in DC is that there are very naive,
very idealistic people who come to d C out out
from the Midwest, you know, all from all over the country.

(01:23:12):
They believe in the integrity of the system. They love
the history of the United States, and they come to
d C and they realize that operates in a different
way and they get disappointed. You know. They they see
things that are much more corrupt, much more deal, you know,
side dealing, things that are happening under the table and
seth Rich might have been one of those. That's not

(01:23:32):
hard to believe. If you look at his pictures. He's
wearing like American flag, like real true believer type stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
You know, they have one of these people will show
at the conventions. We're all his weird office and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yeah, absolutely like a true believer. And so maybe he
saw something. I mean, he saw Bernie getting true to
He was a Bernie guy, and you know, it's plausible
that he he took the information.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
The only indication of that would be the Assiunge tweets
and the reward, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
And was his statement on that to me when he
was talking to the Dutch guy or whatever. That is
very telling. He basically insinuated that seth Rich was the
guy without saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
Yeah, that's really the only definitive connection to the Wiki Leagues. Otherwise,
can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Somebody else is convinced that they got information that the
guy who died, the older Scottish guy who was one
of the Wiki League's founders, went to d C and
met somebody and got the information. I haven't verified that yet,
but there was a connection to d C. So what
do you make when you look at the conversation with

(01:24:35):
the family. It seems like to me they know a
lot more than they're ever talking to public. Do you
see that video of the parents and the brother.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, what they're saying they thanking everybody for doing investigating.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah, I mean they to me it looks like almost
too rote, like they knew what's that? Like their son
was up to something. They don't want to say anything,
you know, they don't want to describe what his real
opinions were, his experiences, what he thought about DC, what
he thought about the DNC. They don't say any specifics
about that. Do you notice that?

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Yeah? Yeah, they got that political hack, that Democratic Crisis Manager, which.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
Is another I mean, there are so many suspicious actions
by the Democratic Party that you know that also is
is something that you know, I think is very telling
as well. I mean, why is what's that? Lady Dawn
on Brazil pops out and says, why are you investigating this?
Why do you care? You know, if it's just a
simple robbery, you shouldn't even give them, you shouldn't even

(01:25:34):
make a statement, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Well, no, but I think what her complaint was is
that this private investigator was calling around and talking to
people that's not unusual, you know, no, because people freak
out when they hear that. You know, what, what do
you mean? Why am I being investigator?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
Why what? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Why you ask me questions? Why are you calling me for?
That's very common interesting. Yeah, And they'll call the cops too,
and they'll call the comps and say, oh, this guy
pretended he was a cop. He called up and said
he was a detective about it, and he said it
was a sergeant because he's a sergeant. And I've seen
that a million times, you know, so that kind of
thing happens. Now, what do you make. It's a situation

(01:26:07):
down in Miami, Florida with this federal prosecutor Washington whatever, Yeah,
odd name, and he shows up in his dress clothes,
his work clothes in the ocean washing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Didn't they say he got shot in the face too.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
There's an intro to his head. I just had that,
you know. I had the DC and the d C
fraud lawyers on last week and whatever. Yeah, right, And
I was going to follow that up this week with
Nico House because he's the paralegal in that case. He
was one of the guys behind the whole idea of
getting a thing going, right, And so what do you
what that would be like a that's a serious business.

(01:26:44):
You know, if if a federal prosecutor, even though he
was only prosecuting immigration fraud and passports and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Yeah, I mean it's a federal issue. I mean, it's
pretty pretty clear that that's that's intense. I mean somebody
said there only like twelve murders of federal prosecutors in
the last sixty years or something like that, right, like
not very many of him because they was also on
like the Commission for Professionalism to the Supreme Court of Florida,
like this guy, so he's like a real skin you know,

(01:27:12):
hair splitter when you make it on that So, well, there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
Was probably another warrior they killed him, right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Well, perhaps I mean somebody he found out. He won't
you know, you never know, but I heard he was
involved in you know, passport type stuff and right, so
that's highly suspicious.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Right because the thing is a murder like that. They
they the cops and the das have their own investigative
squads and stuff like that too. You know, we would
turn the city upside down, you know what I mean,
like making mass arrests everybody's trying to get you know,
the whole neighborhood and pulling people in for warrans and stuff,
trying to get information. You know, is that going on

(01:27:50):
down there? Because I don't we're talking to the Beck
Elizabeth Beck last week. It doesn't even sound like it's
even on the news.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Yeah, that's strange. Yeah, and yeah, I don't know what
to say about that. That's a very suspicious death.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Because there seems to be some kind of connection to
Washerman Schultz too, and Washerman Saults and these two guys,
the Awan brothers. That you look into that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
A little bit, you know, I've a little bit. I've
covered a little bit, I mean not covered it, but
I've read, I've followed George Well, I'm trying to figure
out what's going out with what's going on with him.
But uh, I think the a Wan's brothers is a
real story. Yeah. So they just I mean, they act
like they're guilty. They left the country. So and then
that whole thing with Wasserman Schultz threatening the chief of

(01:28:36):
police wanting her computer back. Why would she even care?
She can just go buy take you know, they get
funds from the government to go buy new stuff for
their office. She can just go buy a new computer.
Why does she even want that computer back? That's suspicious
as hell to me. So yeah, I mean maybe he
had information they wanted and that was that was the

(01:28:56):
reason he got popped. So I don't know. Yeah, I
mean that the thing is, there's so many suspicious deaths.
You can go back through the Clinton's and is just
like death after death after death goes back to Foster, right,
and goes back to Arkansas. Really so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
Yeah, yeah, And obviously they have a huge control over
the media, even to this day where her ex campaign
managers are coming on to talk about this call me stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
You know, right, And where does Podesta go after he's done?
He goes to the Washington Post. Yeah, for the Washington Post.
So how many how many people did she have on
the payroll that they found through those emails? How many
people was she paid? Sixty five ors some I forgot
what the real facts were, But like, I mean, she
clearly has people in the payroll. They may not have
a choice about what they're supposed to say because they've

(01:29:45):
been paid. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
That's an interesting fact because when you look at the
degree of power that they have, they're so entrenched everywhere
in the CIA, you know, with the Mina drug smile
and all that stuff, you know, and the media and HUD.
You know that I'm hearing that they still they're still
doling out HUD grants.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
You know, there's still that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah, and you would hear say, well, we know where
to go for a grant, you know, when Hillary's running
against Bernie. Well, you know, when you need a grant,
you go to the Clintons.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
So, right, it's a cartel they've run. They run their
whole politics as a cartel. Right. They put their own
people in loyalists who are going to cover for them.
And that's probably why she she thought she could take
a lot of that money from foreign governments, I mean,
because she knew where all the money was spend. I mean,
the McCabe's wife, the bacting head of the FBI got

(01:30:40):
a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars loan from the
DNC or somebody from the Democratic thing. It's a straight bribe, dude. Yeah,
let me break that's super corruption. That's something that needs
to be investigated immediately, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
It never will because they got too much power. They're
still entrenched.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
You know, still question let me ask.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
You this man, how did she lose the election?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
If that's a question, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
And how did this knucklehead, this guy get in there,
who is obviously incompetent.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
It's amazing. I didn't expect it to happen that something
had somebody within there was a group within the government
who didn't want her in and that's probably really probably
the real old line American elite pulled the rug out
from under her at the end. You know, that's what
probably happened, and she couldn't figure out a way. That's
why she didn't show up at the that speech where

(01:31:33):
remember when Podesta came out and made the speech. I mean,
Podessa can barely string together three words. If you noticed
him talk, He's a terrible public speaker, like somebody who's
been in politics for that long can'ty. Well, maybe he
was under duress, which is excusable because she's in the back,
you know, crying and drinking shots of vodkas or something.
I don't know, but yeah, I mean that whole thing.

(01:31:55):
So there's a lot happening under the surface, you know,
a lot of stuff that probably they didn't see it's
people Trump got good advice at the end. You know,
go to Pennsylvania, go to Michigan. You know, these are
the people that are going to turn it for you.
So you can't say that she want ran a great campaign,
and you can't say that she was healthy. I mean
she flopped on September eleventh, twenty sixteen. They chucked her

(01:32:17):
into that big, big black man. She couldn't even walk, dude,
Sure she fell off, right. Yeah, So maybe that that's
what freaked out a lot of the real the real
power players. Is like, holy smokes. They maybe they know
how crazy she is. I mean she has disconjugate eyes.
Her eyes do not follow normally. She has a kind
of literal physical brain damage. You know. So you know

(01:32:39):
when people saw that there was just a big lie
and they're trying to cover it up, they're like, holy crap,
can't vote for her. We'll just go with Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Yeah, because I don't know, they would have been your
dynasty would have been so entrenched, you know, with another
eight years of her in there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Oh, just incredible. It would have like amra of Caesarism. Really,
it's just like a family. And maybe that's what the
Old Line family is the real old money that all
tons of property saw that was a threat, is that
she really had a desire to to come to their status,
you know what I mean. And that's why she was
taking so much money. And they said, no, she's she's

(01:33:16):
too dirty or too corrupt, can't risk it. I mean,
there's something to be said about Trump, but I mean,
clearly has a lot of stuff going on. But he
has his own money. You know, he doesn't need to
run the system like a bank like the Clintons do.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Well, yeah, it seems like Trump is not even looking
to go a after like the big heroin smuggling money
and stuff like that. You know, he's not even I
don't even think he's even has in ambition. He's more
like Nicolin Diamond. I'm like overcharging him at mar A
Lago and charging the secret service for hotel rooms and
apartments up in Trump Tower like interest.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
You know. Well, yeah, we'll see. I don't know. I mean,
it's it's remarkable that he's in there. He's certainly doesn't
look like somebody who's ever done it like he's done
it before. You know, there's a lot of missteps.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
And also too if you look at the way he's
aged and deteriorated. Since if you go back, do this
when you get a chance. Go on YouTube and look
at the first debate, the first debate when he was
the center of attention and Kelly and Kelly, you know,
Megan Kelly, Magan Kelly asking that first question. Yeah, he

(01:34:26):
was a sharp guy, fast talking, He was quick on
his feet, quick on his wits. And you look at
him now he can barely stutter out a sentence and
he's tweeting.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
I know his people had to come up with a
big excuse for that, right. Yeah. Did you see the
picture of him when he was in Israel and he
just kind of wandered off and then who grabbed his
arm made him come back? Yes? Yeah, yeah, he just
kind of got up and just like I don't even
know where I am right, and then he.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Starts babbling into the handshake, you know the most important part,
And then he starts ba appling about I never said
Israel I was what I was when I was giving
away to secrets to the Russians. I never mentioned israel.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Guess he's just over his head, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
Well, I'm sure he didn't know the enormity of the
corruption that was going on in Washington, and I mean
the whole city is aligned against him, So I can't
imagine he doesn't really have I mean, they were doesn't
have any any real support. Maybe Sessions is his own
guy who almost quit. Supposedly that's true. He's got his
own people in the Republican Party who were backstabbing him

(01:35:32):
and linking stuff. He's getting leaks from that. He you know,
he's got Oh, he's got his one guy at the CIA,
on Poe. So at least that's that's an asset he's got.
But I can't think of anything else. I meant, eight
years of Obama, it's all the Democratic people are in power.
You know. Yeah, he has got it tough.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
He's not even appointing his own people. He's not even
putting up his own people bringing in his But who's
he going to bring in?

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
That's a good point. He doesn't have a large group.
You know, a lot of the earlier politicians, something George
Bush was really good about. He always had all of these,
you know, people that he could rely on. He had
a whole team people he can installed who are loyalists,
and Clinton too, So you can credit for that. But
Trump was not a person who's an entrench politician, so
he hasn't developed those relationships that these guys have corrupt

(01:36:21):
or not over decades, you know, and he's in a
unique position.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Yeah, these few that he did know, like Manafort. Manafort
lived in Trump Tower. He has an apartment in Trump Tower.
This is how he knows these people, you know, from
his like little circle of friends there and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Right, Well, go look at who's Roger Stone on on Netflix?
At the very end, there's Roger Stone walking into Trump Tower.
So those guys, I mean, those those those are old
school political guys, but they're not people who run bureaucracies.
They don't run administrative bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
You know, what do you make of I c I
a running interference now for Trump saying it, uh call me,
what him ordering him hoping that Cally drops the investigation.
That that's that's uh admits as allowable permissible. Uh have
you been watching that?

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Yeah? I mean I think call me. Clearly if you
look at some of the background of call me, he's
a cover up for the Clintons for decades now, So
I mean, yeah, Well, and then there's there's a guy
I wish I could remember there's a captain who read
something about him. But there's clearly intent on behalf of
clinton lower guide to extract her from emails. You know,

(01:37:36):
he couldn't call me, couldn't find intent. There's clearly intent.
So there's a lot of things that he is neglecting
to pursue. And some of his excuses are laughable. You know,
a trained lawyer just goes what like hold on. Some
of these are like, you know, strict liability, you do
or you don't. There's not really something. And he talked
about the reason he applied some kind of reasonable standards

(01:37:57):
to a reasonable putting person would do that. Well, it's
not about reasonableness, it's about did you do it or not? So, yeah,
he was. He was definitely to me, you know here,
no evil see, no evil speak, no evil coming. He
was just sitting there and it seemed like he would
be he would have been happy to be like another

(01:38:18):
Jaggar Hoover, like a uh, you know, a central figure
who's sitting at the FBI. So I think that firing
him on Trump's behalf was great because I do think
the recent things that he stated in that what was
it yesterday or Thursday. He had to because of the
lightning strike. Trump and Sessions pulled on him when he
went to California. They didn't just want to fire him.

(01:38:40):
They want all of his documentation. They want to they
want they don't want him to go back to the office.
They want all the stuff that he's written. They want
all the memos. So when he says I sent that
memo after leaking that minimal, which is actionable in a
really functioning legal system, that's you know, he could lose
his law license. Uh. He The reason that he stated

(01:39:01):
in it said all that is because they probably knew
it already. They know that he could be perjuring himself
in public if he says he didn't do it, because
they probably have evidence on his computer that he printed
it out and took it right. So that's why he
couldn't lot of those things because perjury then that's that's
a criminal offense. He could go to the big House,
you know. But so that's why I think that he

(01:39:22):
stated all that stuff openly is because the Sessions and
Trump already have the goods on him. They probably have
more goods than that. You know that those guys didn't
even know the right questions to ask.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
But it seems like a Trump didn't even know he
was in California because they sent Keith the Schiller over
to the FBI headquarters in DC.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Interesting. I something tells me that somebody there knew that
he was out out of office, out of pocket. It
was a very sharp, smart, clever maneuver. You know, don't
go back to the office. We've got all your stuff.
They have all this stuff. They have the goods on him,
They've got the goods on Cope. I can assure you
he's he's going to go real quietly into the night.

(01:40:06):
If he doesn't go to you know, it doesn't get
something bad doesn't happen to that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Very interesting, Okay, Yeah, that's why they did it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
It's not just the fire. They want to know all
of his doc what he's been up to, right, They
want to know what his people before and were up to.
They got Sessions has all that information. He serves under
Sessions at the Department of Justice. That's what a lot
of people didn't really seem to get to. And that's
why he said that stuff about Lauretta Lynch is that
the reality was is that he's an underling of Loretta Lynch.
He was an underling of her, so you know he

(01:40:37):
did stuff according to what she said. And then we
know that she was on the tarmac with Bill right,
So you know that's the way that the authority flows.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
It's interesting too, because when they say that you will
call me as this old fashioned, seasoned the DJ guy.
So he knew to take these notes after every meeting.
How come no one ever mentions, well, then what Lynch
take a notes? After Bill Clinton walks out to her,
went where were her notes? There were no notes because
they were intimidating the reporters, saying, don't report on this meeting.

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
Right right. That wasn't even supposed to get.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Out, right, No, it a guy in New Mexico, a
local reporter, leaked it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Everyone else stole off.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
Good question. I don't even know his name.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Yeah, I mean, have you ever seen the interplay between
Loretta Lynch. There was a Republican guy, another lawyer, asking
her questions, and she just kept dodging and dodging because
she knew she was trying to get her to commit
to stuff. But he kept saying to her, is there
such a thing as strict liability? And she wouldn't even
give a yes or no answer. It's incredible. It was
like a totally total lack of integrity to basic black

(01:41:46):
letter law. It was like, the guy kept saying, is
there such a thing you do or young She said, well,
in certain cases, you know, you have to look at
the letter of the law, and she just kept dodging
and she kept asking her and then he said, man,
after talking to you, miss Lynch, I wish holder was back,
you know. Really yeah, so it was it was incredible stuff,

(01:42:06):
but yeah, it uh yeah, it's it's I've never seen
anything like.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
That, you know, during the Benghazi hearings which brought up
the whole email stuff. So so obviously there were some
people on the other side of the Republicans who were
trying to dig up some dirt on Clinton, but even
a cursory investigation of the Clinton Foundation would it's just
so blatant.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Yeah, you've had a hotel on the hotel is still
recording it, so you know that it's totally corrupt. I mean,
my understanding is they didn't even do the basic right,
you know, legal stuff to establish a nonprofit. They just
said it was a nonprofit, you know, but they didn't
even do the paperwork, They had the money to do it,
they had the legal knowledge, they were just so cavalier

(01:42:53):
about it that didn't even do it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Yeah, they actually took the legal entity, like the corporation
that they used to set up the Clinton Library, it
took and just switched it and use it for you know,
like you know, like the kind of stuff I would
do with my little corporations, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:43:07):
Yeah, these are like huge money making, multimillion dollar corporations.
You can't do basic, you know stuff. They could probably
have gone on to you know, what is it Rocket
Law or whatever, Zoom Rocket or whatever it is. They
could just have just printed that out and done it.
Didn't even do it with no concern, No, not even
totally lase you know, total contempt for uh, you know,

(01:43:31):
basic legal functioning. Yeah, I mean, and they're both law
law Yale trained lawyers, which is even scarier. You know
who really scary? So, I mean it's the Trump. The
Trump is fighting against this entrenched corruption that pervades the
entire system. So drain the swamp really is is a

(01:43:53):
correct phrase, you know, and everybody, you know, the corruption,
all those people at the top of the DNC. I'm
not saying RNC is Saint Lee or anything like that
or clean. But the DNC knows all those top heads
of the Democratic National Committee. They all know the criminality,
they know the law breaking, they know the squirrel of stuff.

(01:44:14):
I'm sure they know about Podesta. You know that they
know this stuff. They just are keeping quiet about it. Well.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Yeah, and the Pedestas do business with Russia too, And
the Podesta the brother was in those Panama bank leagues.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Interesting, yeah, up to it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
And by the way, too, those Panama banking website people
who discovered the Panama banking I can't get them on
the show. They won't even talk to me.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
Well maybe they got warned.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Yeah, that seems to be what happens now. It interested
me though, they Dershowitz. You know who came up in
the Epstein litigation and he was accused of being one
of the people was raping his little kid, Virginia.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Right. Well that's what she said, right, that's what she said,
Virginia Jeffrey, which was settled very convenient Lee. You know
her case. You'll never find the truth about that. I
bet that payout was seven figures, no question.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
She says.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
She's very pleased with it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Yeah, yeah, I bet, I bet they made her a
very generous offer and that was it. Boys came in
the big time, you know, top lawyer who incidentally was
sitting across the table from Damien Eckles on an interview
when they when they were killing all the or putting
to death. You know a lot of the criminals in Arkansas.
Do you ever see that interview? No?

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
I didn't that. Which lawy are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
It was on Charlie Rose was typically the interviewer, but
it was a stand and I forget his name, the
younger guy, and he was interviewing Damien Eckles, his wife
and David Boys sitting right there. You know, this real
super lawyer really, if you want to call him that,
a real top notch guy who handled it Jeff for
a case and sitting there talking. It was incredible too,

(01:45:48):
because Eccles is talking stuff that you know, he's still
a convicted child killer according to the law, and Boys
is watching him talk and not saying anything really fascinating.
I'll send you them, but it's out there. And David boy.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Boys is the attorney for Maxwell Goofrey.

Speaker 3 (01:46:07):
No, No, she was he I think he represented the plaintiff. Okay,
the plaintiff's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Attorney, and he's a former federal judge.

Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
I don't know if he was a judge, but he
handled he I think he was involved in Bush v.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Gore, Right, Okay, yeah, that's that's probably the one.

Speaker 3 (01:46:25):
Yeah, but he was involved in tons of big cases.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
What would dershowitztone, what would his motive be to be
running interference for Trump? Now at this point if it
wasn't that Trump, because who else? Who else is running
into ference for Trump?

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
No? One? No, not really, not many people. He doesn't
have a lot, he doesn't have a network yet.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Did you see the spokesperson that was just on MSNBC
this morning taking the Trump the Trump spokeswoman. The woman
couldn't even get out of sentence. It's an amateur hour
over there.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Yeah, so what do you This is from twenty fifteen.
Boys filed a motion on behalf of gewfre A to
seal Jersha Witch's statements regarding conversations Joshawitz alleges took place
between him and Boys. So the Boys was has been
involved in the Geoffray case since December eighteenth, twenty fifteen,
and then May fourth says the Geophrate civil suit is

(01:47:32):
Sid's exposed. There's the settlement, so you know, and so
he's been he's been involved. Let's see where is that.
I'm trying to find the date that they settled. I
mean it was so recent.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Yeah, it was in May May twenty sixth, like that
May twenty four Yeah, very.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Rare, It's pretty yeah, Jeffrey Epstein money Canker's justice deception reigns.
That's from a Daily Caller article. Her attorneys David boy
Stan Pottinger, Sacred McCauley, and Brad Edwards settled for corns.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Okay, I'm thinking of Brad Edwards. He's the one who
was the former judge, federal judge.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
But I mean that's probably what terrified him is when
they put boys on the case, you know, the defendants
just go, God, this is going to be bad because
boys knows how to run the you know, operate with
the you know media, and he's totally credible. So I'm
sure he got paid a pretty penny.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
That's interesting. This one girl, she must have dirt on
a lot of people because she's got this great legal team,
you know, and she's gotten one settlement after another.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Who jeff yeah, Oh, dude, that's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
I mean you she had boys, She's got like top
ten lawyer in the country. It's not a joke. They
probably brought him in and said, hey, we'll give you
a certain certain cut. We've got a great case, and
you come on this and give us total legitimacy. And
he said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
To what do you think Trump? Back to Trump though,
you think he's going to survive impeachment or do you
think that he might have been gettingdicted for the obstruction?

Speaker 3 (01:49:16):
I think he's in battle. He does not have he
does not have a good team. You know, that's really it.
The guy's name we inter reviewed Echoles is Jeff Gloor
g l o R. But on Charlie was I'm sending
you the link right now. But yeah, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
I don't think he's going to survive this. I think
he's going to wind up in jail. I think Trump
will will wind up in prison. Okay, on what charge? Well,
I think that there's a glory of charges. If they're
really looking into this guy's background and all his activities,
even in the past few years, the Shenanigans, this guy
is up to his unbelievable you know, it's very interesting
that Ashoki just died. I think it was yesterday the ninth, and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
No one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Why isn't this on the news. Why isn't this major
news that I'm non Koashoki just did go. Was involved
in everything Iran contra, the richest man in the world
at one point, and he has overwhelming connections to Trump.
He owned mar A Lago show, he owned Trump's yacht,
and then they both used the yacht and then Koshogi.

(01:50:25):
Many people Hopsaica reported that he was hiding out at
mar A Lago after he sold it to Trump when
they were serving the most subpoenas and stuff. Why isn't
this major news that that a lifelong friend of Donald Trump,
who was with all these connections that I ran contra
and drug dealing in his own private asstript down in Bahamas.

(01:50:46):
Why isn't this major news that the guy died? You know,
why isn't it major?

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Well, the news is covering all this stuff. They didn't
cover David Rockefeller when he died. This guy was like,
he's basically the architect of the modern American world. You know,
they didn't even cover anything he did. They just said
he was a philanthropist, which is a joke, right, I mean,
and then it's a big new Brazinski. Only the alternative
media wants to cover what he was up to. So yeah,

(01:51:16):
I mean, the media is just a big distraction machine.
It's terrible. It's actually it's actually not just like missing
media poisons none of them.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
But what I'm saying though, is obviously the media is
going after Trump twenty four hours a day, with this
Russian hacking and with the obstruction stuff like that. Why
wouldn't they be going after Trump's connection to Koshogi. Why
wouldn't they be going after for his connection to Jushlain
Maxwell and Epstein at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
Because that probably opens opens up the can of worms
for both parties. Lt. Maxwell and Epstein is both they're
both probably blackmailed through that, right. But did you ever
find any any information about Komy being related or involved
in anything Epstein was up to?

Speaker 1 (01:51:59):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
No, there was rumors about him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
Really.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
Yeah. You never heard that rumor about Cami wanting to
dress up like some character from the nineteen fifties that
was out some crazy I didn't really want you hear that.
You didn't hear that rumor? We'd like he was over
with Epstein and he dressed up like some character from
nineteen fifties comic books. To me, yeah, that's that was

(01:52:24):
a total rumor. Never and where was that? Never?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
You don't buy that's another because I was supposed to know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
It was just from some something on boat somebody put
out it was what was he saying? He? God, what
did he did? He dressed up? Yeah? I forgot somebody
put somebody ran with that story.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
What about any deep or something? You got anything new
on pizza Gate?

Speaker 3 (01:52:57):
The guy who's covering seth Rich his friends with the
lot of people involved in Pizzagate. That guy who's the
the crisis advisor or whatever Bowman. Oh really apparently he
has friends a lot of friends who are mentioned in
the Pizzagate stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
Hey, you know what, that would make more sense to me,
man if seth Rich got murdered because he knew something
about Pizzagate, Because there are people people that worked at
Common Pizza and stuff like that that are coming out
that I've talked to, that would make more sense to me. Now,
did you see this thing recently where the Blasio, the
mayor of de Blasio in New York did his.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Schwartz.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Yeah, right, Schwartz just got busted worth three thousand images
of chop pornography in his laptop.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
Yeah, but one was six six months like something really
bad six months old, right, right, So then you have him,
you've got Wiener. Right, so Schwartz and Wiener Blasio is
holding the pizza book and they're working for Schumer. I
mean it's like it's like a big old a bunch
of sleeves bags.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
So the rumor was Comy liked people to dress up
as Howdy Duty.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
We're out of time. William Ramsey. His YouTube channel is
William Ramsey Investigates, and you can hear him on William
rams Investigates on many Internet stations. Will be right. Thank
you so much, William Ramsey. I talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Thanks buddy, all right, god bless.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
I gotta tell you and I really enjoyed talking. I
don't get to talk to William Ramsey. Okay, we we talk.
Everyone thinks like you know, me and Nico and William
Ramsey we hang around, you know, we have beers together.
We'll sit around the station, you know. But I don't
get to talk to these people off the year that much.
With me and William. We text on messages back and
forth on Facebook usually or emails back and forth. And

(01:54:44):
by the way, his show is coming up right after
this and all the stations that hear me right now.
He's not an American Freedom Radio, but he's on all
the other stations, so he'll be coming up next to
Coast to coast episode of something about these smiling face cools.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
But we you don't get to talk to each other
as much as I'd like to. And he's one of
the people too, Like I know a lot of people
that I really enjoy talking to, like Ted Rubenstein and
William Ramsey and stuff like that, and Nico and Casey
gain mcgala that people I enjoyed talking Pierce Redmond that
I enjoy talking to. You know that when I complain
about all the emails I get and all the messages
I get that these nice, polied people who I appreciate

(01:55:21):
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impose on you and take your time and annoy you,
or they are the first ones to say, oh, let
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are just a pain the ass. There's no control on them.
There's nothing to do them but shoot them, you know.

(01:55:43):
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(02:00:08):
and maybe Sandra Hicks to get a hold of them.
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get to rest. Oh, we got big shows coming up Monday.
I'm taping a couple of shows with this guy who
was molested by Sandusky. I'm doing a show about May
over there in England who got elected, and show about
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a whole bunch of good shows stuff coming up on

(02:00:30):
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