Heather J Braden

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have with us today Heather J. Braden, who is a photographer,
model actress, and she was just in a documentary How

(02:30):
Off the presses at the Panorama. BBC just released this
segment on Trump and how he's been low what do
you call it, praying on these young teenage models his
whole life, And we have a Heather J. Braiden is
going to give us the behind the scenes star here. Heather,
Are you there? Yes, I am, Thanks, Thank you so much.

(02:53):
Tell us about yourself. Who is Heather J. Braden?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Well, let's see, I would describe myself as a bit
of a lifer model. So I started modeling when I
was thirteen, and I was working on film sets and
other photo shoots as well, kind of behind the scenes
when I was in my upper teens in Portland, Oregon.
And then I moved down to LA for a year
in Hollywood and worked some more, and then I took

(03:20):
off to New York and Paris modeling and I made
it as far as New York City and I ended
up with agencies there and spent a good part of
twenty years modeling and internationally modeling as well. And then
I also worked behind the camera producing and as a
photographer for fashion and advertising. And then I became a

(03:45):
full photographer for a while and kind of had a
family and wasn't modeling for the moment during that and
then I've gone back to modeling as well, kind of
as an older model and kind of figured model in
LA and television commercials and talent. So I'm signed over

(04:05):
there and signed a social agencies around the planet right now,
and then I'm still working as a photographer as well,
and I'm actually working on a book and scripted television
series slash film projects which you're kind of female oriented,
but a lot of it takes from my real life
experiences in fashion as a model and in New York City,

(04:29):
and there's a lot of different stories there. And I've
been working on it for a long time because it's
a lot of time period to cover. But I've been
inspired and kind of doing it for many many years,
from about twenty years ago with a diary that started
out as a joke among myself called fat model, because
when I was thirteen, fourteen, fifteen sixteen enough, from the
day I begore I'm modeling, I was called old and fat,

(04:52):
or actually at the beginning, I was just fat. You're
always fat when you I'm always just always fat. Until recently,
you know, you could decide zero and they still want
you to leave a name, which you know, some of
the girls who are five or eleven and smaller, they
want you to always, always, always lose weights. And that's
because the designers usually the ones who acquire that. And
nowadays and in more mainstream commercial media, you can kind

(05:16):
of be anything and everything to be all ages, all sizes.
It's more lifestyle and advertisement. And that's where Instagram and
all that comes in and has just completely shaken the
industry to its core. And I think it's a good
thing and where it all settles teams later, but that's
kind of I'm morphing into other realms within that, and

(05:37):
I guess in a sense it's kind of turning into
a little bit of activism as well. I think after
you know, living that whole life of the original fashion
world through the decade of the supermodel when forward models
and these top agencies kind of ruled the world visually
in terms of advertisements, I was part of all of
that and one way or another pretty much been in

(05:59):
it for you know, a good part of thirty years.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Give us an idea. You said you started thirteen years old,
Like what year was that?

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, I can't say, I know, I know it was
in the late.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Eighties, late eighties. Okay, good, okay, right now.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
But I was you know, this was actually my hometown.
I say thirteen because it was my very very very
first photo shoot. I officially signed with an agency when
I was fifteen, and that was the year that I
met I lean Forward and another agent in Portland who said, hey,
you should come to New York and come to Paris
and come to a model. And you know, during the
supermodel era, I didn't look like one at all. I

(06:38):
mean I had I was very very thin, very very pale,
very very very white because Oregon is gray half the
year nice. And I had a short, very short, kind
of edgy haircut, very like sixties almost, And look, I
really looked different. I'm a bit of a chameleon, so
I change all the time. I just looked different from
different angles and hair make it makes it's really different.

(07:03):
So yeah, so I really became a professional. I live
at age fifteen, and when I realized that, you know,
I came from a broken family, so I didn't really
have a lot of support behind me and a real
bright future in terms of career and being focused in school.
I was good at school when I did it. But
I was a bit of a wild one, and I

(07:26):
wanted to travel, and I had wander bust. And I
had grown up with my grandparents in the house, who
were immigrants from England and they had lived all over
the world, so I'd grown up with these stories of
the war in England and India and all these places.
But I was just kind of like my grandfather. I
had wander us so I wanted to travel and it
was kind of my way out. And I knew that
I had to make good money and I was going

(07:47):
to Paris. I had this thing. I wanted to go
to Paris.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
So you did make good money doing this. I did.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
It was hit or miss, you know. When I began
in New York, I started as a fast and mall
the fashion model. Technically, you were doing editor magazines and
you were geared towards doing the fashion shows, the runway shows,
and the high designers, the top end of the design world,
and that meant you were super skinny, super tall, and

(08:17):
I was the orderline the height. I was five nine,
so that was just enough initially. But I really was
never that concerned about my size because I just somehow,
deep inside me, I had this idea that they were crazy,
that I that I that I wasn't that I wasn't fat,
but I was told I was fat. So I was
securing the industry. But I just didn't put a lot

(08:40):
of effort into that. And after a year in New
York of being very poor, because editorials play you maybe
one hundred dollars and that's it, and you do them
to get the promotion that gives you the problicity to
get the advertising designers to notice you, and then you
pray and hope to get a big ad campaign and
then you become maybe a superstar, which I realized pretty

(09:02):
quickly wasn't going to happen. The chances of that happening
was like one in a million R So I decided
I wanted to be a commercial model. I wanted to
be a catalog model. I heard that those girls made,
you know, a lot of money. They worked every day,
and they were in all the catalogs that you saw,
you know, J Crew and uh, you know every department store,
you know, norm Stream's, all those types of things. So

(09:24):
it took a while, and I tried to I had
to look like that, and I didn't quite in the
beginning so I would go to Miami and work on
that more.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Okay, So now you were just in the news because
you were part of a BBC segment on Panorama. Can
you describe what that what that segment was about.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yes, BBC Panorama has been working on a documentary for
a while about the allegations against Trump overin many, many
years from the model and fashion side of these people,
and they found a couple other people, and you know,

(10:03):
because a lot of models they end up by the
time they're twenty or twenty five, you know, at old
and never made it any higher. And then their careers
essentially are done and they go back to where they're from.
And then a few of those models are very few,
you know, remain in the industry. They become agents, they
become you know, model bookers, they've become photographers sometimes, you know.

(10:26):
So that was kind of how they found us, and
really about that with them, because I have some of
my own experiences with that, and I think that there's
probably hundreds of other girls that have come across him,
and I know personally quite a few that I've spoken
to their friends or friends of friends who are just

(10:47):
absolutely terrified to speak, who have very significant stories about him,
much much more significant than what I have to say,
and we won't speak. They're very afraid of me right now.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Right we were staying off the too, that the modeling
industry is very tight lipped about this, this kind of
abuse that these girls go through. And even there's been
some books written about the modeling industry, and when you
try and book these authors years later, they don't want
to talk about it. How how are people silenced?

Speaker 4 (11:19):
I think that well, first of all, the fashion industry
that we're I think talking about is really one that
existed in the nineties and the two thousands and also
in the eighties, okay, and it's really a world that
I think has changed quite a bit. A couple of
the main players back then that are actually the ones
that were part of these things are dead as well
as because a lot of these people that are up

(11:40):
in there getting into their seventies now and they were
had wildlives. So and the other thing is that the
new fashion world's a little different, and I want to
make that there. And there's a lot of great people
in fashion that I've been over the years, and there's,
like every industry, the really bad ones and the really
bad ones are extreme. I would say this is like
a reflection of what in Hollywood with the Mew too.

(12:01):
You've got these monsters like Weinstein, and then you've got
great people that are behind getting rid of him. And
you know, you can't deny he was an incredibly talented
person and great at what he did, and to some
people he was probably a great friend and wold have
been a great husband. But to a huge amount of people,
this man with a monster. And so he considered what

(12:24):
that is and then imagine it in the version of
the fashion industry. It's the same and it's the same
thing as rich, powerful men building power over a group
of people that don't even have the voices that as
a celebrity would because they're unknown essentially, So the fashion
world's changed it. So when we talk about fashion walls

(12:46):
to talk about this, I think we should focus on
the time period that most of this took place that
I'm talking about, particularly that party that I was talking
about that I attended actually wasn't really a party, and
other things like that.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
So what do you tell us about it?

Speaker 4 (13:05):
These people? I think that when when you're entwined in
this small niche world of power, money, and glamorous kind
of things. The few people that controlled it were very
powerful at the time, and you know, and then of
course some of those people and some of their descendants
or ex partners who may or may not have known
what was going on, still run things in the fashion industry.

(13:27):
Trump Models. Trump had a model agency for many years
called T Models or Trump Models, and it only closed
down just before he ran for president. I don't think
a lot of people realized he had a model agency
for ten years. And then, you know, so a lot
of these people have worked for him, They were models
for him. The industry itself is notorious for you know,

(13:47):
when you've got a lot of people who are businesspeople
and professionals and powerful men, and then you've got fifteen,
sixteen and seventeen year old girls from around the world,
and at that time there was a huge amount of
foreign girls from the Eastern Block. You know, they tend
to be tall, they're very white, and the industry at
that time was all about white girls and you know,
having the height also, and then they have great features,

(14:09):
you know, typically, so you've got a lot of young
girls who often were on forged visas, you know, and
I know this for I mean, there were hundreds of
forged visas. Okay, So now you've got a lot of
people in the industries who are also part of being
part of that forging process. Even so, if an agency,
let's say there's ten agencies, and you know, they have

(14:29):
one hundred girls each and half of their girls are
foreign and those girls are fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years old.
When you come from anywhere in Eastern Europe or anywhere
in the world, you have to get a specialized visa.
It's like an entertainment type visa. And at the time,
and I'm not sure now, somewhere between forty and eighty
magazine care sheets are required for that visa paperwork to

(14:51):
get put in. And at fifteen years old, when you're
coming from wherever, Lithuania, you don't have fifty pair sheets.
Chances are virtually you could get a number one star
in that little country if you were able to have
that many tear sheets didn't get out, and they did,
you know, the few that did would get out. But
there were definitely not hundreds of girls from those places
at age fifteen that were superstars with eighty tear sheets.

(15:13):
So they were forced. They used to sake caar sheets
all the time. Agencies often still do it. It's a
lot harder now, but they still do it and get
a girl out of that country to come over and
become a model. So, you know, when you've tied the
intricate details of a whole industry together and you look
at it and then you see people who are still

(15:34):
in the industry who were there twenty years ago. There
are people that were working with him, that worked for
other agencies currently right now in New York. There are
agents that were part of that document. Well, they know
what happened in the early documentaries with you know, Diane
Sawyer and allegations against certain agents in New York. That
they're still in the industry. They're still around, and I

(15:55):
think some of them are shameful that they were part
of what took place. Took place for a good twenty
years and they may not have even realized at the
time as a young person themselves, what parts and what
role they even played in this bigger picture of what
was really going on. Because a lot of these powerful
men that ran the agencies also hired young twenty somethings

(16:18):
out of college to then loure girls into situations, and
there's a lot of reports and documentations of kind of
being duped into things by there a person who's kind
of were befriended by who worked for these people. So
that's I mean, that's how I ended up at this
party that night. I was forced to go by a
young male college student age kid who was a new

(16:43):
and up and coming young agent assistant who had been
hired and was running working in the agencies who when
the head owners of the agency, you know, forty eight
fifty year old men. There's certain girls that just weren't
into hanging out with them because sons they're just into
So they would get younger people, girls and guys to

(17:05):
kind of lure them to events because people make money.
One model show up, Yeah, and the night to figure
on my the interview that I spoke about was actually
a night that I bickered with this young guy about
going to this thing because it didn't sound like a
part of it didn't sound like regular event, and it
was a very strange commentary about what it was. So
I felt just awkward from even before I even got

(17:27):
to it. And then my you know, everything was confirmed
that night. But so you know, there's so many people
involved in this complicated industry. People just don't understand how,
you know, the secrecy is like that of Hollywood. Oh,
it should be bigger, There might be more people involved.
Maybe there's one hundred thousand you know, models that at

(17:50):
any given time in New York City. I believe it's
something like one hundred thousand aspiring models.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Let me ask you about the party. Where was the
party located? Was it at a hotel or something event?

Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, So the party took place at a rental mansion.
I believe it was a rental mansion on Star Island
in Miami. And that particular block of homes is you know,
notorious for being rented out for huge parties over the years,
and I presume it was a rental. I don't know
if any of these people that were there owned it.
But my agent that night, when I was young, I

(18:23):
should say, assistant agents you know, told me that, oh,
by the way, there's an event tonight that you have
to go to. And I'm like, well, do you mean
to have to go to? You know, because it was
at night. Usually if there was a big event, like
a fashion industry event or a party, or sometimes a
model had a birthday and they'd shut down a club
for it, and everybody would show up, well, photographers in

(18:43):
town or during fashion week for people to network. You
would know because all of your friends knew male and female,
and they were all going and everyone went agents, photographers, models,
anyone and everyone. But this was something that it was
you know, you're going to a private party at a
house on Star Island. And I don't know if they

(19:06):
would have told me that it was Trump or not,
because at that time he was known in our circles
because he was involved in the industry, and he was
also just kind of a guy at all the parties
in New York and you know, everyone in New York
often were in Miami in the winter party it was
a seasonal place for first fashion, so everybody would be

(19:26):
down there, and he he was known for having, you know,
being at events, and I don't know that he had
his own party per se, but this was one that
they may or may not have because you know, he
was a very very wealthy man, and so of course
people who paid people to do things, you know, and
had so many different businesses, and who knows how it

(19:49):
happened that I ended up there, but somehow one. What
I do know is one of the four men who
were at this party, Trump being one of them, had
to have I attacted my agent some way in some form,
either to an assistant or their people or themselves, and
they had to contact the agency and say, hey, I

(20:10):
want a bunch of models at my party, and you know,
make it happen, or and at my house. Let's call
it my house because it's not This wasn't really a party.
I call it a party, but it actually wasn't a
party the one time at my house from this time
to this time. Make it happen. Now, I don't know.
Obviously I wasn't part of that conversation, so I can
only presume how it happened. But I know for sure

(20:31):
that if my agent told me I had to go,
somebody told him that it existed. So I take this
that it came from those four people, or one of
them through my agency. And then I was sent along
with every girl at my agency. And I don't know
if it was only my agency or if there were
other agencies, but there was a lot of models there
and we were all uncomfortable. And all I can think

(20:55):
of is that somebody got paid because you can't make
a ton of working prof national models show up at
somebody's private house unless somebody gets paid to make that happen.
So I can only assume I never got paid. It
wasn't a job. It was not a job at all.
Somebody got paid, and so I'm guessing that these guys,
one of them or all of them paid somebody related

(21:19):
to these agencies money in their pocket and make this
show up. And if you really look at that dynamic,
that would be what I would consider some form of
a pedophile sex ring, because the only place in the
planet Earth that you can pay someone to send underage
earls to someone's private house at night with no guardians,

(21:40):
where there is alcohol and most likely drugs, and then
four men would be something akin to some form of
a you know, pedophile ring.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I don't know, well how many, because I was going
to say women, but you're saying that they were underage.
How many females models were at this event?

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I mean I was. I was probably the oldest, if
not the oldest, in the room, and my two friends
who were with me were also probably the oldest. That
we were in our early twenties, and you know, we
was We used to lie all the time to clients,
because clients, you know, they loved young, young, young girls.
So we would live we'd be like, oh, yeah, we're nineteen,
and you know, at twenty three, you really couldn't tell

(22:22):
if we were nineteen or not. So we used to
lie about it all the time. So for all I know,
they thought we were older, or they never asked or
they told, or they might have just said to the
agency sent anyone. But thinking that there were so many
foreign girls. And by the way, a lot of these
song girls were teenagers. I mean, the common age is
to start in modeling, were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen at

(22:43):
that time. You know, at nineteen, I was old, and
a lot of the girls that I was going out
on jobs with were fifteen sixteen. I was already old
at nineteen. So at nineteen, by nineteen, you've already gone
to Paris and you've gotten your taar sheet, and then
you come back to New York and hope to get
big advertising jobs. And if at nineteen, if you haven't

(23:04):
done that, it's pretty hard to compete against the sixteen
year olds that have, just because they've got better tear sheets.
So that was why A lot of these girls are
really young. Because the agent, they don't send their top
working girls to an event like this, because the ones
that are making the big bucks already are their cash cows,
and they wouldn't dare jeopardize them in any way, shape

(23:25):
or form to send them to a house like this
this night. Now, they would take them to any other
networking events within the industry, of course, and if Trump
was there, will so be it. And that happened many
times also over the years, and I've seen many parties.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Let me ask you a question. For events, how are
the girls transported to this mansion by vans or taxis?

Speaker 1 (23:43):
How was that?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
That's a good question. A lot of the agencies had
their own car service. Okay, so car services that were
on voucher systems with the agencies. So often if you
had to go somewhere but you were young, they didn't
have a chaperone. If you were sixteen or eighteen or
twenty whatever, you could use a car service to the
agency account to go anywhere you wanted and charge it

(24:05):
to the agency, which would then charge your account at
the agency somewhere. There might be a paper trail law
that I don't know that there would be, and you know,
things were manually written out as well back then. And
I believe we took a cab that night, a taxi
because we were in our early twenty of them. We
did have our own money, so it probably took our

(24:26):
taxi and it wasn't too far from Miami Beach. It
was probably ten dollars in a taxi. But other girls,
younger girls, would have most likely taken an agency contracted
car service. Okay, ken women being company you.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
And there was alcohol served at this party and at
this event, Oh yes, definitely so the young girls.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
I was sober at the event. It was so uncomfortable.
I was sober, but there were drinks and I do
remember getting a drink, but I did not drink much.
I was very uncomfortable all the time.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Did it seemed like any of the women were in
enjoying themselves.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
No, nobody really looked like there were. So we arrived
and as we arrived at this big, opulent mansion, we
entered the door and there were two men that were
kind of like you know, security home security guards, probably
on the guards some kind of a service and kind
of in the doorway. There was no host or hostess
of the party or even welcome crew at all, which

(25:23):
was weird. Also, any of these large mansion parties, there's
always some sort of a you know, a staff doing thing.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Yeah, a party planner type yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah. And there was a table. There was really no music.
There was some quiet music, but no like DJ either,
which is also unusual. It was dark out, but it
was you know, winter, so it would get dark at seven,
and there was a table, a bunch of documents, and
we were kind of just pointed to the table, and
you know, we're used to walking in somewhere and signing
in on signing sheets. And I looked at the paper

(25:55):
for a minute, and I was very young. I didn't
know what it was. I had no idea what an
NBA was about us, and I looked at it. I
didn't I didn't even I don't even remember it saying NBA.
I just remember there was a bunch of words, and
I just thought, well, I don't sign anything, but I
don't know what it is. And I remember my agency
had always told me, whatever you did, just never sign
anything without us. So I was like, okay, because you
could be releasing rights to photos and things like that.

(26:16):
So I was like Okay, great, I'm not signing this.
So I didn't sign anything, but I watched girls signing them,
and that is now looking back obviously that those were nbas,
which signified that there was going to be something at
this event that was risque, that they didn't want others
to know about them.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Right, Okay.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
I later found on a can and there were just
a bunch of girls in a huge open room. There
was a large, wide staircase that went up and you know,
you'd hang out with your click of two or three friends.
There was no party atmosphere. There was no one com
mingling about, and girls were just kind of what is
this like? There was no one really there except for us,
and there were no men there at all, and we

(26:58):
would you know, me and my two friends spoke English.
They were Australian and New Zealand, so we hung out
other girls. There are a lot of foreign girls I
would imagine in their team, you know, hung out and
spoke among themselves because they had one or two friends.
They're kind of shy. They barely speak English. And for
the most part everyone was four and a few people
weren't and that was it. We didn't really co mingle

(27:19):
because We didn't know them, and it was just an
awkward feeling from the minute we got there. It was
just a very and we were doing okay. And then
once the room got kind of filled up, you know,
these three men came down and came down the stairs,
all four of them, sorry, four of them, and one
of them was Trump.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
And who were the other three men? They were famous men.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yes, they are very famous, a list actors, Academy Award winners,
or Academy nominated. I believe it probably one or two
of them were married at the time, if not all
of them, they might have all been married. I think
one might have been divorced at that point. They were
notoriously known in Miami for attending fashion parties as well,

(28:07):
you know, and when you have forty something year old
men attending parties where there's young models there, I mean,
why else would they be there. There's only one reason
they're there, and they're there to meet the girls. Right,
He's been outside of that party and meeting those young
girls in zero relationships with fashion they are to do
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(28:28):
it's not like these are celebrities, including fashion lines or
male celebrities that are incredibly stylish that has something to
say about fashion in general. These were just three normal
guys who happened in mega celebrities in a room full
of very very very young women, most of them foreign.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Now these three men, are they still mega celebrities now?
Where they still alive?

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yes? They are, and they are.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
Okay, and they're still and so we would know their
names right away. Okay, great, let's take a little commercial break. Okay,
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I'm your host, prev investigator and Opperman. We're here today
talking with Heather J. Braden, who's describing an event almost
He's describing it as almost as a human trafficking type event,
very bizarre situation down at this Miami mansion party or
part not even a party, an event again with these
three A list actors, celebrities and the current president Donald J. Trump. Now,

(34:43):
the three A list actors, do they have a reputation
of being womanizers or they have a squeaky clean type
of reputation.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Afar as I know, they have a pretty squeaky clean reputation. Okay,
that's why it would be quite a big deal to
mention their name. And at this moment, I'm not quite ready,
but that is something that I've been considering. But you know,
there's a lot of fear, and the other people I
know in the industry to collaborate are not speaking currently,

(35:12):
and you know, I'm hoping that they, you know, will
have a little courage after seeing me and hearing me
giling coming forward amongst the trolls that want to you know,
shut me up, that that this has been a real
issue and that they can come forward and speak together.
So that's sort of why I've started this the me
Too Fashion page and to try to get the word

(35:37):
out there to models and ex models worldwide that there
must be hundreds of them and that they can come
forward and speak privately for now, off the record if
they want to talk.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Okay, great now. When the three men entered the room,
was there like an interview process? Were they was there
exchanging phone numbers or what went on?

Speaker 4 (36:00):
I remember the four of them coming down this wide
staircase once we were relative that the room was relatively
filled up with us, which is also bizarre. They weren't
just hanging out and waiting for our arrival. They were
actually elsewhere. And I then saw them appear on the
stairs and coming down this you know, very grand staircase,

(36:23):
and you know, obviously we're all looking at them. I'm
sure a lot of these foreign girls probably had no
idea who the three A list actors were. I'm guessing
they may have been told, and some other girls who
might have known might have said, oh, that's so and
so and so and so. Because I was even quite
shocked to see who it was coming down the stairs,
I think I must have known that this was Trump's

(36:44):
party or something that he had to do with, because
you know, that's probably one way that I would could
have ended up there is that, you know, just knowing
that I've been the parties with you being many times
that were legitimate in New York, they might have said
something to that, but it's seeing me to other if
they come out. I knew two of them were very
well growing up watching them and seeing them, you know,

(37:07):
they were in their mid forties and at the top
of their games. And the third person, I wasn't sure
who he was exactly. He's a you know, an ethnic
you know, American black man, and there were only so
many of them that were in the industry at that level,

(37:30):
and I wasn't exactly sure who he was. But then
I figured it out later, and I'm pretty ninety percent
sure that's who that one was. It's the only one
I'm a little unsure. But the other two were unmistakeable.
I mean, one of them was my mother's favorite actor
for many years. I do know models who he slept
with as well, And I don't know what it was

(37:50):
before or after this night, but I already had heard
about him and goals and some stories about him. When
I saw him, commented to them and death that he was,
you know, and at twenty three, I had already been
on my own model and since age fifteen. I had
left home back tomorrow and be living on my own
sincerege fifteen. But I had at thirteen, fourteen, and fifteen

(38:10):
been subjected to much older men coming on to me regularly,
many years already at this point. And you know, when
I was young, young, at fifteen, you know, being that
I didn't live at home, and I looked a lot older,
I used to walk straight into bars and clubed and
know and ever I sent id ever for decades, sorry

(38:30):
for years, and so at this point in twenty three,
you know, I was very well aware of when I
was being used as a lure or as some sort
of an attraction, you know, for certain types of people,
and or when some guys hitting on me. And you know, granted,
when you're a model, you're dressed up here, you know,
you look really nice, you're in fabulous places, and sure,

(38:52):
there's nothing wrong with being flirting with somebody. I'm liking somebody,
but this was completely different. This was obviously a setup.
I felt like I'd been set up in a trap,
and I was now a piece of me on display
for these four men to come and choose and pixture

(39:12):
in the room, and it was just such an uncomfortable, weird,
weird feeling. There was no party, nobody was dancing. People
were kind of sitting quietly amongst themselves and the little
tlicks of their couple of friends. Myself improveing, and I
was a bit off to the side in the corner.
And I was watching this because I'm very much a
people watcher. I love to sit in a cafe on
the sidewalk all day long and watch people go by.

(39:35):
And I'm also photographers. I'm basically a lawyer essentially, and
I'm a storyteller, so I love to make up and
tell stories of things I see that inspired me to
create things. This was something I was watching from the
corner of the room initially, and so I was watching
the interaction and I watched them behave I watched them
come down and kind of split apart in a predatory

(39:58):
manner and and make their way about this large room
from group to group and girl to girl. So like,
if you would imagine, you know, what a group of
I don't know, sharks or dolphins do when they hunt something,
or wolves hunting a path, That's what I would detain
compare it to wolves hunting a path of deer. You know,
they come up from behind, they split up, and they

(40:21):
circle around them and they come in and they figure
out which one is the weakest link and who who
they can take down easily. And that's exactly what they
did in that room in a predatory fashion. And we
were to pray, and you know, when they would just
kind of walk up, I'd watch them walk to a
couple of girls and could see from across the room,
but they were like, oh, how are you, what's what's

(40:43):
your name? I'm so and so, and oh what are
you doing? What are you like? And then I put
in a couple of minutes, they move on to other
girls across you, somewhere else and excuse themselves. Or you
would see them going upstairs, and that was the big
thing of the night. I watched all four of them
taking turns going upstairs with various girls. Now I presume

(41:06):
that the drugs were upstairs because that, you know, at
every fashion party I think I've ever been to, and
anyone who says this isn't true as a liar or
is completely innocent and it's never done a drug in
their life, but fashion party is are notorists for having drugs.
I mean any party. I think in North and LA
in those worlds, there's always drugs. There's lots of drugs available,
even for people that buy, people who don't do drugs,

(41:29):
who keep them at their house, for peopople who want them,
because just some people in the industry are functioning drug addicts,
and when they come over, they will just offer them,
you know, plates or briefcases full of whatever they want.
I've seen numerous and then there's delivery services. I mean,
it is rampant. It is so matter of fact that

(41:49):
I forget I've been around it for so long that
it's so abnormal in other circles. So I would just
assume that the drug were upstairs. I didn't go upstairs,
and I didn't see it in that night. That was
my assumption when they were going upstairs, and I was
still kind of innoctant in my thinking as to what
they would be doing upstairs, and and you know, I
really don't know. I didn't see with my own eyes

(42:11):
what were going on upstairs, but I would say, you know,
one out of five girls would go up there, and
all of them went up And now with girls, Trump
came over to me and asked and made chat with
me and the same thing and asked me if I
wanted to go upstairs. And you know, normally I gave
a very very rude repos to the type of men

(42:33):
because I found over the years that if I'm really
asked to them, they usually back off immediately and rather
than getting you know, trying harder. So a lot of
these says are they successful. They're very good at, you know,
what they do, and they don't like hearing no, especially
when they have a lot of money and power. They
can pretty much buy anything they want from anybody. So

(42:56):
when you when they're told no, a lot of them
it's like a it's like a it's a competition, it's
a challenge. You know, they're very competitive men, So just
saying out to them, it's like, oh really, okay, really,
what's it going to take? In their minds can see
years working, so okay, you're saying now, now, we'll let
me see you. They want what they can't have, and
they want it more the more you say they can't

(43:17):
have it, So, you know, you I had a very
very set of rude comments that I would make back
to guys like this, and often it was curse oriented
and it was often just so beyond disgusting I can't
even say it, and that usually turned him off pretty quick.
But because I knew he was somewhat in fashion and

(43:40):
I've seen him for many years at legitimate events, I
didn't know how tied in he really was profession and
because this had come through my agent, I just kind
of gave him the really fake what I called a
TV smile, and I was just like, yeah, I don't
think so. Something to that. It was pretty much like
I don't think so, in other words of dream on
sort of thing. I'm not going upstairs with you, and

(44:02):
I don't know what they were doing, And it was
just kind of there was no explanations like, hey, you
want to come see upstairs?

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Well how many so you did see Trump travel upstairs
with some of these girls.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Yeah, I saw them all going up and down throughout
the evening. I was there for a few hours. You know,
you'd see them go up and twenty minutes later they'd
come down.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
So and what what ages were the girls? What ages
were the girls they gone up there with Trump?

Speaker 4 (44:29):
I mean most of the girls in that party were
I mean the event were under twenty for sure. I
mean I would say half of them must have been
in their teams. And when I see teams, I'm thinking
like underage. Nobody was there checking idea at the door,
and nobody asked anyone's age, and in fashion, nobody really everybody.
We were always at bars and clubs in New York
under age without ID right away. I could name twenty

(44:50):
clubs and we spent years going to in both cities.
Were never models, were never id tot the door, So
nobody ideas and ever. And there's no way to know
for sure how all these girls were. But I am sure,
with just the numbers of fashion and the ages of
the average models at that time, that there had kick

(45:11):
in approximately at least half of them had to be underage.
Now I'm not saying the guys knew that, because it's
like I said, nobody was checking ideas door. But if
you're a grown man in your forties and you know
what a young young girl looks like, or at least
a girl even if she might not might not know

(45:31):
she's fifteen, you know she might be twenty, and at
that point you have a responsibility to find out that
that girl is not you know, fifteen or sixteen or something,
and of course anybody asked, nobody wanted to know.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Now, have you ever been to an event since that
event that was that was as uncomfortable or as bizarre
as that event?

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Never That's why I remember that one crystal clear. And
I've told many friends over the years about that night.
And of course he didn't really become even wildly known
among other people until the Apprentice. You know, people kind
of knew who he was. You know, you were into anything,
you might know. But so I've told that story to
quite a lot of friends over the years, not as

(46:13):
in detail, but yeah, now he had a lot of
g fashioned, by the way, just shrugged their shoulders at
that party like that, so whatever, like, but that was
a unique event.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Now Trump had his own modeling agency, and we were
talking before about the visas, and his website even described
importing girls as young as twelve years old. And there
was a lawsuit right with one of these girls. And
the it turns out the majority of all his H
one B visas applications that he's fouled for all of

(46:49):
his businesses were from the Trump Modeling agency. Was like
eighty percent of all the h one B visas that
he applied for was through that right now, did did
trump modeling agency? You have a reputation for the visas
or for the unethical behavior.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I think all of them to some degree did, and
it just kind of depended, you know. I didn't know
any specifics about his agency, and actually, when he opened
his agency, I thought to myself, Wow, he's going to
be legit now, because obviously I thought it would be
a lot harder to get away with shady business as
a legitimate business because he had been so notoriously shady

(47:31):
within the industry yet not owning an agency for many years,
he was deeper embedded and doing things like that one party.
I'd been to that event. So when he opened the agency,
I thought, oh, my goodness, is going legit. This is crazy,
And a lot of people in the industry it was
a joke. His agency, like a lot of other things
that he does business wise, was only a joke.

Speaker 7 (47:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
He was laughed at within the industry because everyone knew
he had nothing to do with the industry. And when
a rich man has nothing to do with fashion comes
along and open the model agencies in you know, kind
of a world of coolness. When you're not cool, it's
kind of a joke. But then when you've got money,
you can hire the right talent. And of course everybody's

(48:14):
got their price. So go and steal the top agents
from the top agencies, and you pay them a third
more or double what they were getting. Well, they're going
to probably not say no. And so he then hired
the talent, and then they brought some models with them,
some of their earning models, and then they just know
how to scout and find the good ones and make
them some money. So I think he got smart and decided, well,

(48:36):
if I'm going to do, you know, you know, hanging
around in this world, I might as well just become
part of it. And beauty pageants are entirely different. There
there were. There was a model pageant for many many years,
as Will goes, I think called you know, the Elite
Look at the Year Contest, which was a legitimate contest,
beauty contest for modeling industry, but otherwise regular duty contest

(48:59):
and miss ams. You never saw that this was really
really different and that generally never crossed over, kind of
like television and film back in that time. Nowadays it's
all emerging together so there are quite a lot of
models that come from the beauty pageant background that do
become legitimate models, but at that time they were very few,
you know, And so when he went into the model

(49:20):
in the industry world, legitimately this was very different than
him just running and participating in those beauty pageants, which
I mean you have to again ask yourself, like, what
is this man doing in these worlds? What are any
of those men doing in the world. Well, you can
make a lot of money in the fashion industry, can
know what you're doing. But usually, and what I've found

(49:41):
a lot in thirty years, is that men in fashion,
whether they're photographers or agency owners who are straight, tend
to be there to meet the models. And when the models.

Speaker 8 (49:53):
Are in their teams starting in their teenage years, you
have set it up to a legitimate, you know, pedophile
dream land basically, you know, and I don't. Again, there's
nothing one with flirting, and I get being if I
was a guy or make I want to be around
since you guys or cute girls, the ways you can

(50:15):
make that happen, and of course in fashion is to
make it happen even better.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
You know that you want to be around, you know,
you know, conventionally beautiful people, you know, like model clubs.
So but obviously when you've got a long standing history
of a few very powerful, wealthy men who have overrun
and rolled in industry, whether it's you know, directors and
agencies in you know, Hollywood or in the same version

(50:43):
of those people in fashion, it's just I mean, it
doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Trump Trump
is some legitimacy to it.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
No, Trump had a friendship with John Casablancas from Elite
Modeling Agency, and he actually turned his own daughter and
when she became a model, Avoka, he turned her over
to John Cassiplank's Elite Model Agency. What was his reputation, you.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Know, I don't know. I've heard within the industry from
a lot of people. There's a nickname for him I've
heard over the years. You know, it starts with the
word model and it ends the board that begins with
an F right. And now I don't know that he's
I don't know the specific allegations against him. He was
a little bit before my time, more eighties oriented, and

(51:33):
of course after that, you know, it was Elite Model
that was kind of notoriously intertwined with some of these
sketchy businessmen. So I cannot I can only imagine what
you know, the stories are about him. I do know
that he apparently was. You know. It's hard to say
because a lot of these men were in competition with
each other, you know, so a lot of these agents are.

(51:56):
They were in different competition with each other. First of all,
they were all out there for the same reason, and
that was to make money off beautiful women and to
meet beautiful women. There's only two reasons they ran those industries,
and that's because they wanted to meet them and date
them and group of them or make money off of
it while they did the other, you know. So they
were essentially all against each other. And the only one
who was run by a real woman at the time

(52:18):
was FOURD Models, and I believe Rohomina, and then I
think Next Models there was a partner of a woman
that was a man and a woman whosan it and
I never saw that. But otherwise these were run by men.
The agencies and parents were mostly them by men, and
so they were sort of arch enemies, you know. And
some of them were friends at one point or had

(52:38):
worked together. One point. But they were essentially all sharks
competing for the same prey, Now that makes any sense.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah, And the previous to all recording, the name Jean
Luke Brenell came up, who was a model scout who
had a reputation of date rape, drug and stuff like that.
And I believe you know it's widely reported. Had you
ever run across.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Him, I have managed on Luke many many times. He's notorious.
You know, he has notoriously been accused of many, many,
many make things.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
And yes, he has been accused publicly by at least
Fais girls for being drugged and raped in Paris while
with his former modeling agency that he owned in Paris
at that.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Time called Karen's Models. And there were twenty four other
girls that came out and spoke publicly against him with
Diane Sawyer in sixty minutes in the late eighties or
early nineties, and a lot of other people did not
come forward, and those models were often kind of discredited.
And of course at that time it was just that

(53:44):
one show, but at a lot did come out of
that show. That was good at the moment for a minute,
but then you know, a few minutes later, one week
was right back in action. Nothing really happened. It was
the hiccups in his world, and that was about it.
Dating business and kept going. And you know, because of
the stories I've actually heard about him, I had heard

(54:07):
about friends of mine whos been who had been drugged
in bars and clubs, and from the whispering among models
was that the bartenders were drugging them on behalf of
this man. Because you remember, these parties were usually they'd
book out these clubs like VANDUS and stuff, that they
would book it out and hold these exclusive VIP modefied

(54:27):
parties there and so everyone hires and working that night
were kind of hiring on of those guys. So according
to the people I know who told them stories, because
I never went, they were drug drinking at the bar
and woke up, you know, tied to some of these
men beds in the mornings being ranked. And I knew
so many of these girls and had heard so many

(54:47):
of these stories that I was so terrified when I
got to New York to go to Paris that I
never went. That's why I never went to Paris. Modeling.
I was given contracts I would give in contracts with
Karen's in Paris with Jean mout I met him in
person numerous times. I was offered numerous times to go
there with them, and I was staying in one of
his model apartments, and I had already heard the stories,

(55:09):
you know, and it was it was very difficult a
model to turn that down because it was one of
the quote unquote best agencies at the time, so to
turn down to them, but I was just I was
absolutely terrified.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Now Brunel, he had a reputation too of being having
access to to visas and some special access to visas.
Are you were of that? Who did Brunel?

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Oh? I'm sure. I mean, as far as I know
all the agencies. I mean, every foreign girl that I know,
every single foreign model that I ever met, was on
a forged visa through one of the agencies because none
of them were known in their countries. I think maybe
two girls that I've known, and you know, some did
have real tear sheets a few, but then they'd fake
the others.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
Well, one more question because and then we have to
take a break. And now Brunell also too had an
odd relationship with Jeffrey Epstein where he actually visited Epstein
when Epstein went to prison, he actually visited Epstein every
single possible visiting day plus one, so he visited twice
one day. What do you know about and did Brunell

(56:11):
have a relationship with Trump?

Speaker 1 (56:15):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (56:16):
I don't know for sure, but I do know that
those guys were the power men who were running the industry.
And I mean was a regular at fashion party for
many years before even owning the agency. So I can't
imagine that they didn't know each other. I mean, I
think there's photographs of them together. As far as I know,
I believe that there's photographs of Jean Leeway. I'm trying

(56:40):
to think who's these photographs of There's there's pictures of them,
one of them together with him, and I'm trying to
think of who who it was in the pictures if
it's Epstein and Trump or.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Oh, there's definitely pictures of Trump and Epstein together. There's
there's several and also with Gishlene Maxwell too, Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
And between who's very ahead.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
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Speaker 4 (57:15):
So it's actually it is. I just put it up
there for models and people in the fashion industry to
be able to start kind of coming together privately and
secretly to discuss anything they may want to talk about.
And it's me Too Fashion MVMT dot org. There's also
a web page, Me Too Fashion. I've been kind of

(57:36):
starting to hashtag that a little bit, and I've got
a few people who've already signed in and joined up
who are prominent people from that time. So I'm really
hoping that they will feel comfortable to speak privately amongst
ourselves first, you know, because there could be I mean literally,
there must be hundreds of girls that have come across us.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Yeah and yeah, when we come back to I want
to I want to talk about what's in involved with
you coming forward because I know I deal with a
lot of cases like this. We've talked off the air
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a long decision making process when you want to put
yourself out in the pubble and get involved and put
yourself a target on your back, so to speak. So
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now for for people have been taking advantage of Actually,
now we mentioned a couple of times the name Jeffrey

(01:03:27):
Epstein came up. Now, now here's a guy who's convicted
of sexual abuse of a child, and uh so he's
but he's somehow hooked up with Jean mc brunell, who's
a modeling guy, or you know what I'm saying. But
this but dead line is is specifically crossed. It's crossed

(01:03:48):
directly from the modeling industry to human trafficking industry. Right, So, now,
what excuse THEYD one into Epstein in these circles?

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
I mean, I was at parties that he you know,
some of those parties that he was at and his
parties themselves. But I you know, I was at so
many parties at that time. I like to say, you know,
I was just social in my very young years. You know,
I got a lot I didn't get heavily into drugs,
but of course, you know, at that time, I tried them.
And because we were often chauffeured all over the place,

(01:04:24):
you know, in a dark limousine of ten people often
drunk or dancing being crazy, you know, half the time,
I have no idea where I was. I'm pretty sure
I've been at mar Largo, and I don't even remember
it because I don't know. I was at so many
places like that, right, you know, And I remember being opulent,
over the top places. I didn't draws at that time,
so I didn't know where I was halftime, which is

(01:04:46):
actually really embaressing to say, but it's true. And I
think a lot of models relate to that. You know,
at that time, you just half them we didn't know
where we were. So yes, I'm not seeing how many
times at parties, and I've seen trumps for a decade
at parties in New York, and I would say that,
you know, a lot of them are legitimate industry parties.

(01:05:07):
But that is what this is, modeling industry. And I
don't want to say the whole industry, but a huge
amount a portion of the fashion industry in the modeling
world is an agency world. Was back the time run
by these men who are connected with each other one
way or another. It's basically owning an agency, in my
opinion at that time, was a legal front for running

(01:05:29):
child prosecution for pedophiles, in the sense that in the
same way that a bodega deli cafe in New York
in the old days was the front selling legitimate things
to people who came in for their milk and coffee,
but they also sold drops over the counter or stolen goods,
you know, car radios and things where notoriously happened to

(01:05:50):
bodegas in the city. And it's or through what lafia
would do with washing money too, in various legal fronts,
you know. And basically the modeling agencies in a sense
were at least part of the time some sort of
a store finance for this. And that's why it's so murky,
because you do have models that had great experiences and

(01:06:11):
who can well refriend to collection this because he never
did anything to them. But every girl who's in the industry,
unless they shot from unknown through the very very top
of the world as a model, anyone in the middle
who kind of worked their way up or was it
for any amount of time has heard these stories, and
we know we know that these stories we didn't that

(01:06:34):
we know in our hearts, we know how we've been treated,
we know what we've been subjected to, and we know,
you know, my hear of experience that these this is
what the truth is. And one problem is that models
have never united together and gotten together to fight this,
in to fight back, because one models typically tend to

(01:06:54):
be uneducated overall, you know, Bindy Crawford's one that was
actually in the university. Is a time of discovery that
most models, even that they started at fifteen, didn't even
go go to school, you know. And some of them
may have gone on the side, or they went back
and went to school. Nowadays, it's a lot more common
for these girls to finish school and order be eating
school at the same same time. And there's so much

(01:07:16):
media coverage now with phones and things like that, that's
a lot harder, I would think, to get away with
things like this. And like I said, most of those people,
a lot of them they're dying, ed or gone or
have more than other agencies, there's new agencies or new
versions of those agencies, and then there's always professionals who
worked with a new agency too, So it's hard for

(01:07:37):
people to come forward who were an agent at such
and such an agency who may have not known what
was going on, because these guys are so good at
covering their tracks and making things sound reasonable or legitimate
or professional, just like when stores don't get shut down
for running illegal storefronts, or the mafia was able to

(01:07:57):
operate for so many years, or why Einstein continued to
operate for decades while people were good, people were around
him suspicious or even new. How do you take down
somebody like Carvey Winsence. You can't take him down alone.
He's got to be in a group of people to
have enough momentum behind them publicly to get attention and

(01:08:17):
for people to go, oh, I guess, I guess Charlie
Farron isn't just a whoror at a party because she's
Charlie's Farron, and we know who's here is why we
be crazy enough to talk about this. But we're just unknown,
you know, we're just modeled, and Obe knows that, so
you know, the trolls her online saying I want my
fist to sing, or or Barbara my friend who spoke

(01:08:39):
about her answer to him, or she you know, whatever
they want to say, and it's just so fununny. People
just so difficult to believe that maybe this is the case.
And actually a lot of these people who don't want
to believe are women, and that just blows my mind.
And a lot of them have you even been, you know,
either harassed or under these own attacks in their own world,

(01:09:00):
in their own lives. Maybe it's not in the fashion world,
but you know, women know if you've been outside in
the world at all, or in the workforce, you know
that you're typically outnumbered. Just for example, you're just typically
outnumbered in most things. You know, we have men's jobs
that we have women's jobs, and it's common, you know,
to just think of it like that, you know, to
think of it that way. And I've worked a lot

(01:09:22):
in a men's world as well as a photographer. There
are very very few things photographers and that in fact,
of hundreds that I've assisted as an assistant, I only
ever worked for maybe two women, both of them are
back head crowd or in the fashion industry. And so,
you know, I know what it's like to be around
a male dominated world as well. And I think any

(01:09:42):
woman knows that this is the part. I mean, unfortunately,
there's a fine line of this flirtation and then taking
advantage and or praying upon somebody. And I think, you know,
some guys find it funny and they just laugh about
this and they laugh and say, oh, really, well, should
we hold the door open for you or not? And
that's what's really disgusting, really is that this has nothing

(01:10:03):
to do about being chivalrous or respectful or thoughtful or
considerate or holding a door open. And that's like minimizing
what a women go through. People's mothers, daughters and children,
and you have gone through their whole lives on in
some sense somewhere they are going to come across this
on one way or another. And this is just the
version in fashion, you know. But unfortunately we don't have

(01:10:25):
voices like Charlie's theron where we are a mainstream public
space that with five or six of them get together
people really withsn't and don't call them, or or just
winning their fatu with it's the same because they've already
got it. They're already famous. But I can assure you
it is not fun to have a quote unquote fifty
minutes of fame something that is written that you could

(01:10:46):
be afraid for your life. And everyone that I know
in the industry is absolutely terrified to speak. They think
I'm crazy. I had numerous people calling me saying, you're
going to be killed. Please don't do this, you know,
don't speak, and you know you're going to get some trouble.
You're gonna get tooo, You're going to get this. And
I'm like this, you know what, I don't even have
as big of a story as many people to say,

(01:11:07):
But what I can do is paint a picture of
what that industry is like that people can understand how
it is possible that there would be all these allegations
against them, first of all, and I think hopefully bringing
together and maybe uniting models and other people in the
fashion industry, because there are male models that have been,
you know, sexually harassed and attacked like this in the

(01:11:29):
same exact way. It's for many many years. It's not
as as well known about. In fact, it's even more
taboo than what the rest of us are saying. But
I know a lot of male models sexual assed by
gay powerful men in fashion. There's a lot of power,
powerful gay men in fashion, and that's another thing that
I'm you know, hopefully they they'll come over too. There's

(01:11:51):
a lot of allegations against a lot of these guys.
I mean, Terry Richardson, who's a huge photographer, is notorious
and he's a straight male, but he's notorious for taking
advantage of girls and just being a peediph The guy
is just revolting. And he worked for decades, he still
worked in the entry for so long and then sign

(01:12:11):
On some of the advertisements and fashion giants started to
pull out from him, you know, and it's just shocking.
And those women or those companies that finally pulled out,
most of them are run by women who make the decisions.
And that's what's shocking is that women in general question
what I may say or what have happened to models

(01:12:32):
because they see sexy pictures of models. And I do
think it's overwhelmingly us being part of selling sex to
our own type, to our women, and being part of
this consumable sexual world that you're under the pressure to
be sexy and sell sex to women, to be sexy,
to sell it to men, and so it's all like

(01:12:53):
a perpetuating cycle that I think now that's part of
this huge backlash. You even see it in advertising things.
They want realness, They want real people. Women want real
women that aren't perfect, that don't have perfect abnormally thin bodies,
that don't you know that maybe use less makeup for
the ads. There's a no makeup trends at the beginning.

(01:13:15):
There's the all ages of models that's happening, plus sized,
old age ager, you know, silver models, silver Foxes, and
there's a whole thing that's about taboom. And of course
it's because the men high up have figured out that
these people can sell things to an older you know,
age range versus just millennials selling makeup to young women,

(01:13:37):
but that there's a whole untapped market of baby boomers,
you know, so's things are really changing in terms of that.
And you know, we're in a consumer world, so everybody's
got something to sell. But you know, I suppose myself
included in one way or the other. You know. But
I'm a bit embarrassed. But I've been part of this
for so long and I didn't know how to cut

(01:13:58):
the ducts and speak out. And when Trump took took
power and I realize all these other allegations, it makes
you realize, oh, there must be hundreds well, who's going
to start the conversation and nu he wants to do it.
I mean twenty thirty years. People have been trying to
do this since sixteen minutes, since before with all these
people that we're talking about, and nobody has done it.

(01:14:18):
And they're dying there, some of them are dying. I
mean they are dying off.

Speaker 5 (01:14:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I've tried. I've tried to do shows about this. When
I told you, I tried to book authors who wrote
books about these stories who they don't want to talk
about it anymore. They just don't want to come forward.
Speaking of when I booked you for the show, I
tried to get your friend also too. What's your name
Marva yeah, Barbara yeah, pilling right. Can you tell what

(01:14:44):
her story is because she was actually seventeen years old
when she was at contact with Trump, right.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Well, I will. I will put you in touch and
see if she want to speak with you to be
you know, to confirm everything. But from what I understand
from her and actually what she told I privately off
the record, and I wasn't sure why she mentioned it,
but that her agency at the time, and I cannot
remember who it was. I believe it was elite. I'm
not one hundred percent sure told her actually to tell

(01:15:13):
people that she was seventeen, that she was actually sixteen. Okay,
So that night when he did approach her and ask
her about her age, she actually true, she exactly said

(01:15:35):
to him, which was that she was seventeen, she was
really sixpense.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Okay, okay, wait wait wait, wait, wait one second, because
everything you just said was garbled out. We had a
bad connection for a second. So everything from the point
we said, wish they told her to say she was seventeen,
but she was actually sixteen. That was the last thing
we heard.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Okay, but she was actually sixteen. And he asked her
how old she was, and when she said it, he said.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
You know what, we got to really really Yeah, you're
breaking up really bad. Are you moving around when you're
talking to the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Not? But it does come and go sometimes here, so yeah,
that's good. Come back in a second.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Yeah you're really good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Yeah, so you say say that them. She was introduced
to Trump and she told him he was she was seventeen.
And what did he say?

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
He said, Oh, great, not too old, not too young.
And that was just a typical common, you know comment
that you would hear from men that are in their forties.
I mean, what do they say? What do they say
when you when they ask you age? Can you tell
them you're seventeen or eighteen? And what else are they
going to say to you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
I remember being that age myself or I mean, right,
you know, what do you say to that I can't.
That's why that comment that he said back of oh
not too old, not to you and kind of makes
sense because what else would he say you say to
a girl like you know, I remember hearing things like,
you know, oh she's jail bait, you know, things like
that and jokingly, and I mean this was just a

(01:17:12):
world of you know, men praying on pretty girls and
very young girls. I mean, I mean there are lasting
relationships between people of very young people and much older
people that have happened throughout history, and it's notorious. And
I do think that that can happen sometimes. But I
think primarily these young girls were not particularly interested in

(01:17:33):
these guys. But you know, there are a lot of
models that would seek out very rich, powerful men who
were also knew what they were here for from a
very destitute and desperate country where I'm getting out in
the first place was a miracle. But meeting somebody like
Donald Trumpeton's wealthy men or celebrities was absolutely Like it's
the equivalent of like marrying a prince, you know, so

(01:17:56):
they would do a lot of girls would do just anything.
That's why when they into that room, you know, praying
upon us at this event that you know one out
of five would go with them, or two out of five,
or they knew. It's just a numbers game. If you
send fifty, thirty will say yes, twenty will say yes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Now, when Trump Modeling Agency was sued by that young
Haitian girl, she described the situation where they were provided
with a studio apartment with four bunk beds in there
and then and then everything's yeah, everything's deducted from there
if they get a modeling job, the transportation, the FedEx bill,
the rent, everything gets deducted from that and they wind

(01:18:34):
up with nothing, well, basically a slave labor. How common
is that?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
That is so common? And again I don't know how
common it is nowadays, but it would be particularly common,
especially for any girl that didn't their parents really involved
in their in their work life, like I didn't. So
that happened to me a lot. You know, you'd work
and they would just rack up these they would in
the agency, and then they would if you ask them

(01:19:04):
for a print out. First of all, you felt like
you were asking the world. And you know, when you
wanted to see your expenses and your expense sheet. I
remember girls having expenses of ten grand a month and
they were broke. I mean, we were starving. Sometimes we
would I remember counting coins and pennies so that we
could get together. I think it was a seventy five

(01:19:26):
cents in New York would buy us a banana and
a bagel at one of these corner carts. For twenty
five cents. We could eat a banana and a bagel
and keep going for you know, most of the day
on that through the night. Again at night we would
get free dinners and free food because we were invited
to all these you know, super fancy restaurants and nightclubs

(01:19:48):
that were sometimes restaurants and interned into nightclubs because we
were models and used a date and more for the
rich men that would then come to these clubs and
restaurants and spend amongous amount of money for the right
to In the same rumor, US and to possibly have
the opportunity to meet us right, so we would be
you know, I'd wake up and eat a banana, walk
for twelve hour day doing auditions and things on foot

(01:20:11):
in Manhattan, and then when I was starving at two
or three in the afternoon, I'd have a bagel. And
this is what we all did in the beginning, before
I was a catalog model, That's what we all did.
So and then when you did work, you know, and
you've made a few thousand or you know here and there,
they would charge you this ridiculous amount on your account
and you never saw it. Never I remember begging agents
for a two hundred dollars advances. And that's another way

(01:20:33):
that they controlled you. It controlled you with the promise
that the lure of all these jobs and money like
that big carrot dangling in front of your face, and
then gave you virtually nothing after. So I can't believe
she lost that. If that's a girl I'm thinking of,
she lost the lawsuits, I think because of I don't
forget why.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I know why, because because she filed, she filed in
the wrong court, she should have filed in the uh
in court. I feel what it's called, but she found Yeah,
it was a labor discute exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:21:05):
That was. So it's such a shame because I mean
that again, the industry, every model, every model for and
I'm talking hundreds of thousands of models that have passed
through New York for two decades know that that is
a fact of what she said. She everybody knows that happens.
This is like an ongoing common thing that every single

(01:21:26):
model has experienced. Unless you're life Sidney Crawford, maybe you didn't,
but pretty much. And you know, Barbara, she worked a lot,
She made a lot of money, and I think she
had a really good professional working relationship, and she did
get paid. And part of it is that when you're
at the highest level in me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Okay, okay, you're back. We totally lost the audio. Then
I'm going to try to disconnect and call her back again,
because then we just totally lost that altogether. Yeah you
know what, Yeah we did. The skype went off. Let's
try it again. We're talking here with a Heather J. Braiden. Uh,
Heatherjabraiden dot com. Real insider with this kind of information too.

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So if if you have these girls twelve years old
like he was said, it said on his website that

(01:22:28):
they were importing girls, is they wanted girls twelve years old?
You know? So you got a girl from overseas with
a bogus visa that he doesn't really understand visa. What's
but she knows? Hey, something tinky about my visa. It's
not correct. There were no friends, no family that they're there,
they're warehousing these there is how can this not be

(01:22:49):
uh being victimized and being abused. It's a recipe for
for trafficking.

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Yeah, I mean there's should be class action lawsuits, to
be honest, and I think that it's just a matter
of getting enough people organized together for that to happen.
There would literally probably be classics and lawsuits against a
lot of agencies. And I you know, and like I said,
it's a hard you know, you feel conflicted inside because
I have great friends that are great agents, and I've

(01:23:15):
met wonderful people who have been at agencies that at
one agency was an incredible experience for me. But I
know other girls from that same agency who worked with
a different agent in different departments, who had an entirely
different experience. So and like I said, some of these
people don't work anymore, or they've moved on, or they're
dead now. But there are still enough of these many
power that and there's enough allegations against Trumps himself, and

(01:23:38):
there's enough history there. They're just people are afraid. But
when you get together, they're a safety in members. You know,
all of these models over these twenty years can find
each other and or even know that I exist with
my little mini movement started, or that they eave anyone
speaking out at all saying this other than these scattered stories.
Because this girl, you know, when she when she tried

(01:24:00):
to see her work paper, her money through the agency,
and you know, I felt like she was a slave.
I think they would let's get home. Highly doubt that
anybody came out and stood in her defense. I highly
doubt that anybody said, you know, came up from Trump

(01:24:21):
Models and came forward and stood aside her and said, hey, yeah,
we were there and we would experienced the same thing.
Because had they done that, I think that maybe there
was a chance for her, But nobody's come for forward.
It's like everybody's tight lift and have their own interests
in mind, and they're concerned for their jobs. And I
think there's ex agents at from Trump models who I

(01:24:41):
personally know who are still in the agency, who are
in the industry and who work elsewhere right now at
other agencies, and I think they're probably deep down and
afraid that if they speak out against these things, that
they know that their own agency right now probably still
does those things. So then their agencies get to get
either you know, scrutinized, and where they could be fired

(01:25:03):
in their career. Literally their entire careers will be over.
So I get it why they're not speaking, but they're
also you know, I just don't know how these people
who sleep at night.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
Some times, it's been pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
For people to just distract themselves and pretend it just
exists to get under the carpet.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
It's an industry that victimizes people. It's it's it's the
industry itself is exploiting.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
It really goes. It's just amazing now now with you know,
Instagram influencing and influencer models, they have a lot of
power over their ability. That's what's kind of incredible about
the Instroagram as much as in the beginning, I wanted
to say, oh, it's not real, it's not really fashion.
But what it is is it's like an example of
the backlash, you know. And and now you've got these

(01:25:50):
insta fame famous, you know, influencers who have so much
power advertising that actually can control their investiny. It's kind
of like being a legal prostitute really, because if you
were a legal prostitute, you don't have to deal with
temps who abuse you and subject to their rules, you know.
But it's just and I say that you need to
term light as a comparison, but it is in a sense,

(01:26:13):
you know, you're selling yourself and in a different way.
You know, it may not be sexually like a prostitute with,
but it's it's in a sense the same thing. You're
ruling your own world. You don't have the power given
to people necessarily, and so now they're all scrambling. You know,
a lot of these model agencies are scrambling to get
on top of it, like to promote models, but it's
very difficult. It's a new world and it's a whole

(01:26:35):
new industry. So the old industry is completely different. I
think than this new world that's just booming the last
few years, you know, so and to be authentic, well
is what is just? You know, you's got to be
authentic and try to create some sort of authenticity to
also help with the trends. But yes, this former fashion

(01:26:56):
world and the people that still work in it, there's
a lot of them, and they're good people. They have
just got a very dirty secret and that is that
they know, and there must be hundreds of them. They
literally know that what that girl said was true, and
what many of the delegations have been said about the
agency the industry is true. And Trump was part of that.

(01:27:17):
So it's not like he most likely didn't have anything
to do with any of that. Most likely he did
have something to do with all that, because I mean
this was his agenency. You know, if if there is
a mass movement of models from Trump, models that come
forward or people that work there and collaborate their stories
together and speak out against, you know, the hypocrisy of

(01:27:43):
what he's doing to you know, families and children and
the whole thing with immigration and divining people and turning
you know, good people into haters. It's really a hypocrisy
because this man's profited off of allegedly he has profited
also spoiling, you know, kind of doing everything against what

(01:28:04):
a lot of Christians and other religions preach and belief supposedly,
which is clearly the opposite based on the allegations of
his behavior and Trump Models flown and you know, these
allegations about visas and all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
Yeah, what about what about the.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Accountant responsible for indepregating the visas was shut down?

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Wait wait, I spoke over you there, we'll shut down
about the visas.

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
I've heard that the department some sort of one of
the some immigration departments that had been interested in these
visa allegations against Trump Models was shut down.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Oh really, I heard.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
That, And I mean I read that in one of
these articles, that in one of you know, something to
do with the allegations of something that approximately vise that
you know, two hundred and fifty visas or something.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
Right, It's amazing the majority of his visus. Yeah, the
majority of his visas were related to his modeling age.
You say, which nobody's even heard of this, this Trump modeling. Now,
now one more question to you. Are you familiar with
the lawsuit? There was a civil lawsuit young girl Katie
Doe was raped at thirteen years old against Trump and
Epstein were Yeah, when you when you read when you

(01:29:18):
hear about that, is that something you would say, my god,
impossible or does it sound like a ring of truth?

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
And I wouldn't say it's impossible at all, because of
those people that he was around, and those types of men,
I mean, they were already notoriously accused of doing that
type of thing. The fact that he had a girl
supposedly working for Epstein for ten years doesn't surprise me
whatsoever as well, because she was used and I don't
know at the time she might have realized that what

(01:29:46):
she was being used for, but she was essentially used
as a, you know, the person that these girls would
trust to lure them to Epstein. And so it doesn't
surprise me. I mean, I'm the story about girl and
people have to dismiss it, and I don't know what's
going on. I know that in twenty sixteen, I think
she removed the second place that she filed the r

(01:30:06):
S out of my guess is out of probably absolute
fear for her life.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
I'm sure, Yeah, that's exactly what happened. There was a
press conference schedule with Lisa Bloom four days before the election,
and it was shut down by Russian hackers. They hacked
the live stream, and they hacked the Lisa Bloom's website,
and in terror, this woman turned her phone off. I

(01:30:31):
wouldn't talk to anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
Well, I will tell you if that had happened to me.
I mean, I'm speaking because I don't have that sort
of an allegation. I think that if that had happened
to me, I don't know that I would have the
strength to do what she even did in the first place.
And the fact that she has an eyewitnessed an eyewitness

(01:30:54):
I just don't think people go about making up stories
like this. This is it's life risking. I mean, even
what I'm doing now, even you can even mention any
news about anybody, even that I know people. I have
people in the industry on my Facebook who will not
answer me, who are very a friend of mine, who
won't even speak to me at all right now, They
won't talk to me even on messaging. They won't text

(01:31:16):
that nothing, absolute silence, and a lot of them are
with them, and they're good friends of and it's because
there they must be. They're either afraid I'm going to
talk about them. Maybe they're afraid I'm going to trick
them into talking or something. They just they won't even
speak to me. And so when I created this private
Facebook page, I am hoping that some of them are

(01:31:37):
going to join it and in a place that they
might feel safe among numbers, because if the numbers come forward,
they may feel safe about it. It's hard to figure
out who's you know. I presume that people that join
that page I will know somebody that they know, so
I can see if they're legitimately within the industry, because
if they know twenty thirty forty fifty people that I know,

(01:31:59):
when they know, they will in the same stup, you know.
But the story, you know, I really didn't surprise me.
And I think what's surprising is that that people don't
believe that it's possible. I mean, and that just I
know people that want to believe that. It's very difficult
to want to believe things like that. It's horrible, but
you have to think, why would anybody do something, to

(01:32:21):
do something and say something like that, it's so outlined
it's it's not true, instead of saying if it's not
true and you have people like Lisa Bloom who have
put their entire careers on this. They do extensive research
into these people's histories collaborations, and it's not even for me,
Nobody at least it's pan around that and BBC's not

(01:32:42):
speaking about collaboration. They came and found me by the way,
and when they realized they had other people speaking them,
my gree to talk to them. And I don't have
a story like that Girl House, but I can assure
you that there's a plenty of haters stalking Barbara right now,
and a lot of cold on the Internet, and people
that I own, my own family members aren't speaking to

(01:33:04):
me right now. My own family members, my mother's British
and I dual national of England, and I have a
huge expensive I'm not a family of my own in England.
I have family in the United States and our family
in Australia and it's a pretty big family. And my
other side of the family is actually I have relatives
are also higher up in fashion as well. One is

(01:33:24):
a model and she was with Jean Mouse vacancy. Even now,
I've never even met her, which is interesting because I
did not know that we were cousins or related, which
is just so bizarre. And her I believe it's her
uncle is also a very well known fashion director, a
photographer who is French, and who I am guessing must

(01:33:48):
know Jean Mouse and then his need or I think
it's is me. Who is my cousin. I guess she's cousin. Well,
she was quite a hot and she was references. Now
I doubt you know, she'd ever been any involvement with
him in a bad way because her uncle was well
known and renowned in fascist and as a director. And

(01:34:09):
still they both are so bailey legs and they chatted
a little one based book and Twitter. But I'm not
sure that they don't believe that I am their family member.
But are you know our joined family member that we
all share as my grandmother who immigrated here from Europe
and passed away a few years back. But and it's

(01:34:32):
a specific family that comes from a long line of
a family that's very trackable and well known and who
are always in fashions. Just been weirder about, you know,
sixty seventy years ago their own department stores in Europe.
They were very kind of renowned at the time, and
they actually come to our background French, Egyptian and Syrians,
and they were a Christian French Egyptian Syrian department store owners,

(01:34:54):
which was very unusual in a Muslim world as well.
So we were very notorious. So you can tract us.
And so that's how I know it's interesting, because it's
what's weirder is that I did not even know that.
I never put it together that she could have known him,
or I mean, of course I knem she must have known.
Her story was because she's taking younger than me, and

(01:35:15):
so I never really thought that she might have come
across him. But she wouldn't have been around in the nineties.
She was too young, so she came about later in
the later years, so I think. And also she has
not variety behind her, so I highly doubt she had
any experiences with him. But just talking to me that
people just don't want to believe it. And I think

(01:35:36):
when you voted for someone that you are hopeful about,
I think it's really difficult to then apparently admit to
yourself that you might have voted for a man who's
capable of some very sinister things. And I think for
people to be able to stand up and say hey,
I made a mistake. I think that that must be

(01:35:56):
the core shaking type of revelation I think to speak about,
and I think apparently the majority of people just can't
do that. I just yea, I made a mistake and
I'm sorry. Apparently must be just too hard for people.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
I deal with a lot of victims of con men
or even online romance scams. My clients, you know, hired
me and they the worst. It's the hardest thing to
do is admit that you've been conned or that you're
involved in a romance scam and the guy's aren't real
and he's just scamming you. You just you can't. You
make a disconnect and your head detached. We got to

(01:36:31):
take a commercial break though. Here were with the Heather J. Braiden.
Great stuff, Heather, thank you so much for coming forward
and telling us all this. When we get back, I
want to I want to ask you specifically when we
get back, uh, what went into your decision to really
get up the courage to come forward with this and
go public? Because I know it's not easy. So we'll
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Heatherjbraiden dot com, Me Too Fashion, MVMT dot org. Heather. I,
you know, we talked a little bit off the air,
but I've been involved in a lot of this stuff,
that Tiger Woods case, Wienergate and stuff like that, and
I know what's involved when you're talking to the client,

(01:42:01):
Like let's say, like you would come to me, you'd
be the client, And I know what's involved in making
the decision that big leap are you going to go
public with with this? What you know? But tell the
audience how much of a decision was that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:17):
Sorry? Can you repeat that again? It cut out just
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Sorry, Yeah, I know we got a crappy connection today.
It's a shame. So that's good information. But what went
into your making a decision of going public? Like how
hard was that decision to come to terms with that?

Speaker 4 (01:42:34):
Well, you know, I definitely wavered back and forth a
few weeks before we even got down to a schedule
for filming for Panorama BBC, and so I had a
good few weeks to think about it and to have
everyone I know, Tommy, I shouldn't do it right, you know,
my mother and everybody else included, and I just kind

(01:42:55):
of deep down inside thought, you know, I'm probably one
of the least really speakiest person to speak because essentially
I was just at a some weird still for him.
He didn't grab me, you know, he didn't do anything legal,
and I don't have personal, first home knowledge of that
with him. So I feel like I'm the best person,

(01:43:18):
well one of the best people who could actually kind
of you know, speak about it a little bit and
just come forward and kind of support others like Barbara
and other people that are speaking about more serious allegations,
because I know that it's pretty possible, knowing what I
know about fashion industry, and you know, I'm not so
sure about him, you know, specifically, just because you know,

(01:43:40):
like I said, I haven't seen him in action in
that sense, but I do know a lot of the
allegations and what's been going up for many many years
of these guys that he's assicuated with, and so I think,
just beat down inside my whole life, you know, being
brought up with the idea that you don't do what
people did ring the Nazis when when Hitler was murdering

(01:44:04):
people by the thousands, neighbors just quietly watched them and
taken away in the night. So if I think about
what my grandfather sought for and you know against actually
both my grandfathers who fought in the wars against the Nazis,
it's pretty much the same thing. You're essentially not staying

(01:44:25):
quiet about something that you know is wrong and really
hoping that other people have come forward and just kind
of start standing up for that. It's what Rosa Parks
did when she sat in the front of the bus.
You know, It's what a lot of people have done
throughout history. But the first woman who wanted to ever vote,

(01:44:45):
they didn't just shut out to keep their heads down
quietly when people said no, They said no, we want
to vote. There's a bunch of us who all want
to vote actually now. And it's the same kind of thing.
And it's really it's written us and Gella, and it's
what any kind of at this on the upper levels due.
And there's even ben activists and buddy activists and there's
all kinds of act of this. So why should I

(01:45:07):
just keep my mouth shut and tuck my head down
like everyone tells me to do, no one who knows
me really well. I'm usually not the one to follow rules,
and I don't usually follow the pack, and I definitely
want to blaze my own trail. And it's the one
thing that I know a lot about and I have

(01:45:27):
I have children, I have girls, and I've met a
lot of people, and I have a lot of friends
over the unitans and work. But I've known that who
are so outspoken, in at landish and loud and boisterous
and creative, amazingly talented, who have been so many poms.
But then all of a sudden, they're just silent, And
I'm shocked, I'm disgusted, I'm embarrassed. I don't know, I'm bewildered.

(01:45:51):
And I just think that I know some of these
people really well, and I'm thinking they're just so afraid.
They're so afraid. I know they want to say something
break well. Maybe if me and a couple of people
start to talk about it in fashion, maybe others will
join in. And I think when people see that I
hopefully hopefully haven't been picked off yet, that it's okay

(01:46:15):
to talk that you know you're not going to be
completely Healy ruined, your life ruined, then maybe they'll have
a little bit more encouraged themselves. I know a few
very close to people have known for decades who have
a lot to sell, very very jeopardizing stories about that

(01:46:36):
they have told me about about Trump, and it's more
than one. There's quite a few, and they are all females,
and most of them have been at mar Largo and
at team parties allegedly with Trump, so that I've heard
these stories from them, and I just can't imagine that
random different people that I've known for decades, just like

(01:46:58):
the stories of Jean leg and like many stories about
these powerful men and fashions, how it could be just
such a coincidence. It's like the Harvey Weinstein. Everybody whispered
about it for many, many years, and when people finally
decided to really say something about it, you know, it
spread like wildfire. And I think it just takes a
few people. It's a little harder because we don't have

(01:47:20):
the voice that you have when you are a A
list celebrity. Now, if I mentioned the names of the
A list people who were at this party, I think
that it could spread and explode. And I am afraid
of that. I'm very very afraid of that because you
know they have on the Neuky movements and those stream

(01:47:41):
names tied into this that particular party, even though you
know that there was no physical forcing of stings. But
nobody was being raped as far as I know that
I ever witnessed. But just placing them in this place,
I think is going to get a really lot of interest,
the movement and the whole Hollywood being the fact that

(01:48:03):
they've never been named, So I am very very very
concerned about mentioning who they are. On one hand, of course,
I want to mention who they are because I think
it's going to get a lot of traction, and deep down,
I think nothing would give me more pleasure than seeing
these men who have caused years and probably eternally decades

(01:48:23):
of abuse on these girls, to see some of them
pay for it, because you know, I quietly sat by
while it happened, and I didn't say anything because I
was twenty and I didn't know what to do or
who to say it to. You and nobody would have cared,
because it still don't. You know when sixty Minutes came
out with such a big deal in fashion that the
lid being blown off fashion and everybody just kind of

(01:48:44):
hushed it into the carpet and went on with it,
and six months a year later, everybody was right back
where they were.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Yeah, I don't even think you can find it accountable.
I don't even think you can find that sixty minute
segment on YouTube or online anywhere with yeah, save and available, way.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
Have looked very rare for And that's another thing I
find very very strange. Where is it? Where's Ion Sawyer's
Where is that show?

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Because everyone talks about it and everybody knows about it,
but I know it's not available. Yeah, now these three
men read about it? Yeah, the three actors? Are they
publicly connected to Trump? Are their photos of them together
and stuff like that?

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
I think a good question. That would be a very
interesting thing. I haven't even googled. I don't know, very interesting.
I'm going to have to look into that today. You
have a follow up and go through that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it seems like you're your whole story
here and all this case here and all these other
victims and stuff like that. It seems like it's just
uh fruitful ground here to really get some action out
of this. Uh so I'm available, gave you whatever you
need from me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
I think that they just haven't been you. I really
think that there just never have been one place for
people related to fashion to meet, right. I didn't really
want to be the one to run it, to be honest.
And it's barely started. There's only a few people that
are just starting to join it. But I think that,
you know, if you all of these cases, all the
allegations that go back into the eighties, I think the

(01:50:14):
missing common denominator is the fact that there is no
one place for people to meet and talk and come together.
That's the problem. You know, me too. Movement has been
for really for sol days that started out, and I
haven't reached out to them yet, and I would probably
like to reach out to them because this is just

(01:50:35):
so disturbing. I'm just you know, there must be hundreds.
There must be hundreds of models worldwide, the next models,
hundreds in the hundreds, just not thousands. There must have
been really hundreds and or thousands that have come across
these men.

Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
They ran the industry, okay, and any other names that
we're running the industry that you can name, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
At this very moment, not exactly there are a lot
of allegations against other people in the industry that have
been whispered about for many years. You know, fashion photographers,
a lot of fashion photographers. And it's again, it's a
double edged sword because you know a lot of girls
who have been photographed by these super top photographers. It

(01:51:22):
was a privilege to even be chosen by them. It's
like being chosen by Harvey Weinston. And then you're you know,
you're duped in a sense into you know, what it
is supposed to be an incredible opportunity, and then a
lot of girls that probably did whatever it took to
get it, you know, And I don't blame them in

(01:51:43):
some ways, and especially when these foreign girls with no education,
no parents overseeing their careers. So I don't know, I
think there was a lot of people. And the male models,
I mean barely anybody speaks about the male models. And
I think men overall are taught to stand up for
themselves a lot better than girls are. You know, girls
are kind of taught from day one to be the

(01:52:06):
you know, not to speak as much and not to
say as much, don't stand up for yourself, don't need
you know, all these things that are considered negative traits
for girls, so men typically can stand up for themselves
a little bit more, but there's still it's prominent. I mean,
every straight male model that I know has been subjected
to some form of sexual harassment by gay mail photographers

(01:52:30):
or people in fashion everything in one of them. I've
never met one that doesn't have a story like that.
And then I guess, again, it's just a numbers game
if they keep trying. In the many men or male
models that they've come across, I'm sure some of them
have some gay tendencies to come out over the years
or willing to do something to further their career. And again,

(01:52:53):
when you're offering a huge amount of money, and not
so much even starting, but when you're offering something ten
thousand dollars a day to do something which is just
say opposing for a magazine or whatever it is, but
in order to do that, you're going to like do
something else. From me on the side, I think that
a lot of people they say they wouldn't do it
and you can't buy me, and I'm above all that,

(01:53:15):
but I think when it's offered to you and don't
come from a stable background of having parents involved, or
you have a questionable childhood, and any of those other
factors that come in that makes people personalities. You just
have a higher chance of people saying a poor, Well,
I'll do it because I need the money, or I
need this because I don't have another career. I mean

(01:53:37):
I didn't. I was very very moralisted and very kind
of conservative as a young person, like I had my
one boyfriend for several years, and in many ways I
was protected in that industry because I had at eighteen
either was married to a young hairdresser for five years.
We were just kids, so and he was very up

(01:54:00):
and coming, hot young hairdresser in the industry, and I
don't know, a lovely guy, and he still is and he's
a great guy. And so I was a bit protected
because I had my boyfriend or actually my husband. I
was the only person I knew who was even married
at that time, and so I you know, when I said,
I want to use that to be oh, that's my
husband over there, Well, but you know, I was often
out without him for many years too, and I didn't

(01:54:23):
tell a lot of people that I was married, because
you know, who knows what people would think of that.
But but yeah, so I was a little bit protected
in that way, and I was suit smart. But you know,
a lot of these people do not have that. You know,
I know a lot of bodels and probably the majority
of the models I've ever met, you know, who have
become drug addicts, who were so disturbed and distraught after

(01:54:47):
being within this industry that they become addicted to drugs,
severely or severely depressed on massive amounts of amptidepressants, alcoholism,
very very dysfunctional. I would I would bet that it's
so he researched that that it would be the majority
of the girls that have ever been through the industry
on a legitimate level, like in New York Paris. I

(01:55:07):
will bet that the majority of them disappear into the
shadows at age twenty five, because that's where they end up.
They You know, there's always a joke in the industry,
like the fastest way to kill your modeling career is
to get married or have a boyfriend. They don't want
you to have a man in your life because they
wanted you to be available to be taken advantage of.
And if you had a man in your life, he
might actually put his foot down and not allow you

(01:55:29):
to be in those positions and take care of you
in a sense. And the other thing was, you know,
the other goal as a model at twenty was by
the time you're twenty five. I mean, and this sounds
like a joked about sing among girls, you need to
get a rich boyfriend.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
It still is.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Get a rich boysfriend, get a rich husband. You're going
to get married. You're a beautiful girl. You can marry
anybody that you want, pretty much. Doctors, lawyers, there are
so many. I cannot tell you the amount of opportunities
I husband. Also because I was a pretty girl as
a model. In the work, the title the word model alone.
Even if I could have been I probably could have
looked like anything if I'd said I was a model

(01:56:04):
that would keep almost enough just to get few people's attention.
But I've been off with free the most. A lot
of my girlfriends did date super ultra super rich men
from all over the world, and they would get on
their private jets and she to Paris for a week
or to wherever, and they'd bring their girlfriends on because

(01:56:25):
their boyfriends or husbands most of them were boyfriends, and
Aunsan had rich male friends that wanted to meet models,
and so he'd be like, oh, yeah, bring all on
your girlfriends, bring three or four girls. Didn't fit them
all on the plane because obviously they and they'd invite
their single girlfriends. And I've been invited on private jets
to go to Santrope and all these places, and I

(01:56:46):
actually never went. I turned down everything because I was
I knew what went on in those things. I knew
what was up with the rich guys in the pretty
young models, and I was so disturbing. I didn't go,
you know, I just didn't participate, but I knew what
was happening. When the girl wanted to go, they went
on their own, of course they went.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
Sometimes there's a paid gigs too. Yeah, but Heather, we're
out of time. We're at a time. But as soon
as anything comes up in this story, thank you forgive
me so much the extra time too, anything comes up,
just give me quoe right away. Well push you right
on the air. Okay, anything new develops in this in
any way, how can people get hold if they want
to check it out?

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
Plan? Yeah, well they can get a hold of me
through my personal website, which is Heather Dave Braidens Gmail.
I'm sorry, have a day Braiden dot com. If you've
got friends in fashion, of course, there's the website for
me to fashion MVMP dot org. I also have a

(01:57:41):
photography website which is connected, which is Heather Braidenphotography dot com.
But you know, any referrals are wonderful, and just spreading
the word and sharing of that story and just trying
to keep an open mind, I think, and I think
reminding people that if you voted for Trump, you know,
or if you don't know about these industries and things

(01:58:02):
like that, I think people need to educate themselves and
look up in the Internet and read a bunch of
these allegations and the story and history of fashion, and
then question why would it? Why why are there so
many of these people, and what do we really have
to do? These organizations do not pay you to be
on their show, you know. And I mean maybe if
you sell a big book or you do something, you know,

(01:58:24):
some huge cover store. I don't know if they're allowed to,
but I sure kindn't even paid a penny for anything.
So I think people have to really question deep down,
like why would somebody speak about these things and make
them up? And the other thing is that others should
speak up for their own things, you know, even on
their own levels, you know, and and women particularly should
really be supporting each other and saying, hey, this this

(01:58:46):
is possible. You know, it's not black and white. It's
very gray in the middle even know of this whole
world and industry. Heather, thank you so much keeping an
open minds.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Thank you, Heather, thank you. Good night. Okay. Then he
had Heather J. Braiden a story definitely has the ring
of truth. I spoke to Heather off the air quite
a bit. We exchanged emails quarter a bit off the year.
This is this is all breaking news. This Panorama BBC
Panorama thing just came out like yesterday, and I was
able to track her down and get to come on

(01:59:16):
the show last night, and she a great to come
on the show. Today's Today's a Sunday morning as we
tape this. So this is breaking, breaking, breaking news.

Speaker 5 (01:59:23):
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